lore-discussion-spoilers

[shut trellis]

Are we, skykids, in a sense, eden's "spirits"?since our friend constellation is the constellation seen in the vault cutscene with the king.
i had a theory that the spirits of a certain realm are connected in a way and so because of that, when we finish a constellation we get to see the elder(s). so would that mean when we all finish each others friend constellations we can see the king?

yes i know, probably not but it would be cool.

[shut trellis]

Theories on what happened to the king, anyone? if you say anything, please ping, i won't be on discord to see

[rain lance]

so that's why we find stone figures when reliving the spirits?

[tidal valve]

there is another map! I just thought I’d include the other once since the concept art one doesn’t include vault

I have a theory regarding the machine that’s in forest temple, I’ll post some concept art later bc, aaahhh it’s all on my computer lmao but here’s my idea.

In concept art of forest it says that the materials the machine is stamping are stars

elders are referred as the stars that have fallen from the sky

it also mentions that after the elders fell darkness came and spirits soon died out

what if, at some point after the elders fell, spirits tried to recreate artificial stars, in hopes of bringing light back into sky

Because there could’ve been a time before the megabird created sky children, so the remaining spirits obviously desperate for stars, could’ve tried to find some artificial means of recreating them?

you can even see these star objects in other places in sky mostly in gw, like in the broken ship

Step three discusses creating the artificial star, the shape and placement of them are still relavent in forest (just don’t have any screenshots on me) and they look excatly that those golden diamond things you see in the bottom image

[harsh pecan]

👀

[scarlet delta]

how do sky kid teleport? do they turn into a star and shoot to the desired location? (when they dont walk through portals)

[harsh pecan]

Idk

[compact shale]

They honk their essence into the sky and it falls into the desired place /j

[tawny lake]

I have a theory I think that sky kids are blind, if you have maskless you might know that they are closing their eyes. And maybe they use honking to indicate where they are and thats also prbly why they touch things that are near them

[compact shale]

How are smol skykids able to look up to taller skykids/spirits

[harsh pecan]

Because they’re shorter

[compact shale]

no i mean how do they do that if they blind

[tawny lake]

They sense and do it?

[harsh pecan]

Maybe then can tell???

[compact shale]

with a what?

[tawny lake]

;-; idk ask tgc

[harsh pecan]

Sometimes it’s better if we don’t questions things……but ig we do it anyways-

[thick falcon]

I mean all sky kids look towards the nearest ones right? Maybe it's their footsteps or like how loud their footsteps are or how much vibrations (?) They give off through the ground can help determine height or something idk how it works

[compact shale]

wow that's some good echolocation

so good they can make eye contact without eyes lol

[scarlet delta]

my theory is tgc is too lazy to animate eyes or just didnt plan to have them have eyes XD

[compact shale]

yea maybe so (or we can ask next livestream)

*pinches the Walou

[tawny lake]

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[scarlet delta]

Ow!

[compact shale]

*pats the Walou

[scarlet delta]

mine has eyes because lul you cant tell me what to do (his eyes wont be purple lol dont worry)

[compact shale]

what software is that

*pats the Walou again

[scarlet delta]

it's blender ! also i wanna make his eyes more like

[compact shale]

dam

im too poor for blender

anyways back to optic lore

[rain lance]

I had some theory, but then rejected it. Coz sky kids able to see spirit emojis and mimic them. Also if they stand near someone (another s.kid or spirit), their heads automatically turn to nearest person. So I doubt that they're blind. But they might have echolocation though(coz that whole "honk to navigate" thing)

[tawny lake]

ye tru tru man this is so confusing

[rain lance]

according to this and text on game begining sky kids's goal is to 100% complete all constellations

[compact shale]

Yep

We on the grind from the very beginning

[rain lance]

Oh...yea
Thanks to your theory I now understand behavior I witnessed in main area this morning. some sky kids are so desperate to ascend the spirits:

[compact shale]

Buahahaha~

Ascendant spirit essence (don't look it up it doesn't exist in Sky)

[rain lance]

one kid tried to push Wise Grandpa to the orbit using tables 😆

[gray goblet]

so skykids are just near-sighted? thats definetly a theory i can get behind

[rain lance]

I think their sight range is alike humans one or birds one. But unlike humans sky kids use echolocation. Sound of sky kids' screaming is also powerful enough to create a shockwave that knocking crabs out 🦀

[rain lance]

I assume that sky kid's sight range is like players' sight range. For example we see a temple in Daylight Praerie above but we can't see exact number of wing lights on it's rooftop, so I assume sky kid also can't see it

but..it's just a theory

[icy spruce]

A SKY THEORRYYY

ANNDDD COPYRIGHT

ye, imagine matpat goes here for a vid about sky’s lore lmao

[compact shale]

seriously when is matpat gonna cover Sky

i don't watch matpat but still

[gray goblet]

oh i love lore videos, id probably watch it-

[compact shale]

They exist but there aren't any well known theory channels covering it iirc

[icy spruce]

Yep and some spreads misinfo sometimes intensely looks at the concept elders names mixed up

SERIOUSLY, ALEF AND DALETH IS SAMEKH AND THEY KRILLED UP TSADI SO BADLY

TSADI IS NOW CALEB AND ALEF IS LAMED???

[compact shale]

Tsadi is now power cable

[icy spruce]

Tbh, Caleb doesn’t fit GW

ALSO, TSADI DOESN)T EVEN TRANSLATE TO CALEBB??? IT MEANS RIGHTEOUS???

sorry about that mini rant, let’s proceed with lore

[compact shale]

oh yeah here's a random lore video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Wy93B3w4k0

[scarlet delta]

oml the reverb in that guy's room

[shut trellis]

Where did the name of Caleb even come from haha

[compact shale]

*picks up the Walou

[shut trellis]

this is random but i feel like it gives a lot of insight. yes its probably old lore so not canon but afaik, it still fits somewhat well for current lore.

[compact shale]

who made this? who is "One"?

[shut trellis]

no idea. the one is the king.

imagine if they put one of these pals somewhere like the office someday.
I like how there's eMo rain and youhere and brave bud and then theres just daisy

[rain lance]

I think it's probably this why forgotten ark shipwrecked

https://youtu.be/F2oCNXr29Ms

I'm not sure if it belongs to meme channel or here

[shut trellis]

That is beautiful.
But ngl that is probably what happened well at least there was a krill

[rain lance]

I think they show you some sky fan fiction

[shut trellis]

If its fanfiction it makes sense though

oh and theres also this. I found these in a lore blog so idk if it was canon but based on the blogger it seems like it. idk though.
i'll be on a search for it now

[compact shale]

I found Daleth's name in the bible /gen

[icy spruce]

I have no idea, but I will like to speak to the person

[shut trellis]

Same. I hate it when people use the wrong concept names for the wrong elders. I guess its not really the newer people's fault but still. It brings me great joy when a sky YouTuber uses the right names that are technically no longer right but still.

[icy spruce]

Yesssss

I mean, ik that but they use those names and say they are concept elder names

[compact shale]

I mean the names aren't canon anymore, but they do say a lot about what their personality and role is considering how elaborate the meanings of their names are

[shut trellis]

People are using the wrong concept names for the wrong people in which doesn't make sense because the names are supposed to reflect the elder

[icy spruce]

Yes, I am frustrated about the Samekh and Daleth/Alef one

[shut trellis]

Yeah people really think mushroom is a old ferryman and hedgehog is the prince haha. unfortunately i think the lore side of the sky fandom is relatively small.

[compact shale]

Mushroom????

HEDGEHOG??? SANIC????

[shut trellis]

This is why i avoid sky memes with elders sometimes. moving on..

[shut trellis]

i refuse to use an anime character as a nickname for

[compact shale]

the king isn't even my favorite lore topic (hehe looks like the king propagandists are gonna paper shredder me now)

[icy spruce]

heyyyyyy

/j

[compact shale]

no NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO /j

[icy spruce]

and thus, Fruity was never seen nor heard ever again

Anyways, let’s talk about King!

[compact shale]

I definitely wanna see TinyTim added

[modern ginkgo]

jesus christ thats a lot, abd surprisingly really good

[jade river]

lmao tysm :D

[hushed steeple]

Tell me all names again,

[icy spruce]

Isle: Daleth
Prairie: Ayin
Forest: Teth
Valley: Samekh
GW: Tsadi
Bault: Lamed

King: Resh
Prince: Alef

[hushed steeple]

I once ran a poll on amino, about what people called the twins.

[hushed steeple]

Results

[hushed steeple]

Hang on screenshotting your emotes instead of using the paid thing is smart.

[icy spruce]

yes

[floral grove]

What am I even looking at

[hushed steeple]

I can use my Kirby rippoff oreo no

[icy spruce]

Beta leftovers

Birb sacrifice

[hushed steeple]

That swallow is from light awaits, you used to activate it and gather the pieces of its soul like you do for one of the other spirits there now . A spirit sparrow would appear and grant you a candle or something.

[floral grove]

Interesting. It creeped me out a bit when I first saw that. Thanks for the answers

[hushed steeple]

It also actually explains some of the panels with connect the dots lines in them in birdnest and caves, as there was also a turtle and an eel.

[icy spruce]

Yep

[hushed steeple]

Alright fellow historians, let’s view a new topic. Before Eden, at the end of the fault, the elder lights a diamond that shoes a brief history of things amongst the kingdom.
The end shows The King, Resh, kneeling and what looks to be crying.
What we should wonder is why?
Would love to hear some theories

[hushed steeple]

Journey’s I’m guessing, since the vault elder has it on her hat

Hi Lore chat
I've noticed that several places in the world of Sky don't show you your objective when you honk

At first I thought it was a quirk of the seasonal areas, but Forgotten Ark shows you your objective when you honk

But among the places that don't show you an objective is Eden

Could it mean something? Ideas?

[robust flare]

Now Imma spend the day honking everywhere

[hushed steeple]

…So Lore chat should be on the lookout for a hjönking Skykid in-game?

[robust flare]

Yes. Seek out the honking child and they shall bless you with honk 🙏

[hushed steeple]

I feel like Eden doesn’t have an objective because- what can you do-?
The kingdom, the capital, it’s gone. You ultimately can only die and deliver light kids

[robust flare]

You may have trouble finding the honking child. There are other honking children about

[rigid mural]

For Eden, it's probably because your objective is relatively in view; the summit. Or perhaps the storm weakens your light just enough for you to get lost.

For the other areas, I did notice that but didn't note where exactly this happens besides the wind paths and most of the seasonal areas; either they only have one entrance or exit (barring those unlockable with quests) so no need for a pointer, or the clouds here are too thick for you to find the Light.

Speaking of the Light, not sure if it's a french translation thing only or if it's in English too, but according to the little flags appearing when you complete a constellation, you meet the Elder within The Light.
Which is coincidentally the name of the favorite friends constellation (the one shaped like a crown).

[hushed steeple]

When the objective is right in front of you, you see a spike of light along with the circle symbol

But you don't see that in Eden

It sounds like a good idea that the Eden storm weakens your inner light since that actually happens

And yeah, the game does make it sound like "The Light" is personified, right? It keeps circling around in my head too

Would that mean that "Darkness" might have been personified too?

Darkness came, and the stars fell…

[rigid mural]

[the beam of light coming out of the mountain]

[hushed steeple]

[severe gazelle]

I have a feeling that Resh became darkness personified

[hushed steeple]

I feel like Resh might BE the Eye of Eden tbh

[shut trellis]

Yeah that was a theory.
Also kind of a concept

[severe gazelle]

Okay but what if, it was like this:

since there are spirits and when we relive their memories, we follow them to their statue/corrupted statue form.

In my HC Resh (formerly Alef, the first sky kid and prince who becomes king), becomes completely corrupt right? And I think this is caused by a mixture of greed and also the catalysm that caused the entire world to fall.

What if this explosion, due to the immense power they possess AND the big huge power diamond, causes Resh to "die" yes, but their physical body? Instead of becoming a corrupted statue, becomes the storm.

As for their 'spirit', what if at the last moment, before they "die" they realised and felt guilt for the lives they took and the greed they had. What if Megabird decided to "help" by creating us, skykids out of Resh's spirit in order to guide the spirits Resh had corrupted back into orbit. And of course, to hopefully reawaken the Elders?

I say this bc the Devs did say that the King was not around to be saved anymore

@shut trellis @hushed steeple

[hushed steeple]

Okay okay, hear me out

[jade river]

lore

#lore-discussion-spoilers message this are all my thoughts of the lore of sky, ofc isnt canon but its what my investigation has lead me to believe

[hexed mist]

Yes hi?/j

[hushed steeple]

Honestly I’m a big fan of your investigations into Sky. You clearly care and I admire that. And this debate has also taught me a few new things. I have a theory that I’d like to give out momentarily

[jade river]

ah yes, we're talking about u specifically

[hexed mist]

Unfortunately it just so happens I picked that name and now look where it got me (I have to make the joke sometimes ok )

[jade river]

go ahead i'll be more than glad to read, you clearly have a different moral compass than I and your proposal of forgiveness towards our ancestors is really amazing, refreshing to say it in a nutshell

[ocean kraken]

have u made it into docs? lol

[hushed steeple]

I just read all of this and wow

[ocean kraken]

also do u think the seasons give any clues? if we thik about it, the seasons are more and more advanced in tech

[jade river]

yes, its been a research i've been making and after analizing and debating i was lead to those thoughts

about seasons, while they do indeed fit into the lore, they dont give out a general idea of the world of sky with the exception of prophecy, that season explains the rise of the king inside sky (murals and all)

[hexed mist]

Their actions lead to downfall, but at the same time, can we also acknowledge, that elders were likely trying to do what they could to keep their civilization going. A rough moral dilemma for me honestly

[jade river]

indeed, but in times of war a side who's desperate tends to ignore the stability of the land itself, thats why i believe eden diamond was weaponized but incredibly backfired on Everyone

[hexed mist]

A theory of mine is actually that with the misuse of nature (collected in prairie, crystals made in forest, used in valley and waste especially) that the lack of light creatures and light in general let loose more darkness. A war likely with both "people" and krill/dark creatures

[hushed steeple]

Okay, this is a lore theory I’ve made personally. Read it at your OWN DISCRETION.

So, In my findings and studies I can safely say that the world of Sky is a world of natural Dark and Light energy.
The dark is not an evil, but it is a constant. Meaning, it does not let itself be taken by the light.
And the light does the same. As it is also a constant.
These are much like the forces of nature. It is survival.

So what if there are certain places that are like sources for the dark and light. And what if Eden was one of such things? It would explain the massive light-beam.

I have personally and deeply studied Resh, from concept art, to in game art, to even mentions of him. And I’ve realized something.
Resh may not be an Elder, Resh may actually be a Sky Kid.
And I think this because, well, every elder spirit has died. They are all able to be brought back however. Not in the living sense but in the spiritual sense that we brought them home.

But there is no Resh. No king. And so I wonder if, what if we are Resh? You have to admit, we alone are incredibly powerful. And there is clearly some sign of respect from the elders for us when we gift them our light.

We don’t know who resh was, or what he was. And his concept art shows him as being a child, like us.
And so I thought long and hard about this, and it clicked. What if Resh was a child, and the Elders were his family/clan.
It would make sense that he’d gift them these great lands and great things. I mean he doesn’t just give EVERYONE such grand powers, or at least not everyone has them. Now of course these things may be entirely natural to the elders, we just don’t know.

But what if, much like a child, Resh took what he had for granted. He abused his power. What if Resh is still in Eden, trapped, because of his greed?
Well I believe he is. I believe that Resh is the final piece to fixing Sky. To restarting anew. And why is this?
Will be continued in another paragraph

[hexed mist]

Ok this, this I uh... particularly like MAY I MAKE A POTENTIALLY SILLY ADDITION?? (Curse slowmode-)

[ocean kraken]

ok your sentence: *What if Resh is still in Eden, trapped, because of his greed? *

remember as we die in eden, we need to hug someone. who is that?!

theory 1: we die because of our 'sin' then we hug as in form of forgiveness. the hug partner is actually ourselves (like... we are forgiven)

theory2: it is resh, but where is resh after we hugged him?

[hushed steeple]

If Resh was the king, then I believe that he must have some sort of great power. Something others don’t have. Because you don’t just make ANYONE your leader. You don’t just point to a crowd and vote some random to be the king.

No, Resh was someone else. Someone important. Someone they needed.
Resh was probably us. Now, not your character or mine, but a Skykid.
As far as we know, Sky kids and ancestors are different species. Meaning it’s entirely possible he was a Skykid.
But as children do, we abuse what we are so freely given.

And that may have been what Resh did.

And I believe he is the final piece to fixing everything, because in Sky we show endless generosity to people WE DONT EVEN KNOW.
I mean, NONE of the elders are innocent. Each contributed to the end of their entire species. A worldwide extinction.

But they were old. They were adults.
But, Resh?
Well, why is it him alone that must suffer.
Is greed truly the only reason? I mean, we ourselves are greedy. We are as faulty as Resh and his empire.

So what if that giant ball of light at the end of the game, is the culmination of ALL light.
And what if we need to bring back everyone?

What if we are leaving Resh behind, instead of helping him. Simply because he did wrong.

[hexed mist]

Imagine say in this situation we were potentially "the king" or the "savior" from back then, would we have been reborn over and over trying to save the civilization? Like, we are the important being they were raising all along type thing??

[shut trellis]

Thats a good theory and lengthy message. A semi-popular theory of which, seems pretty nice. In a concept, I'm pretty sure it says that Resh is in fact in Eden. (Unfortunately that's just a concept) So yeah! its likely. if hes a skykid, he could be reborn. Problem is heard that he is.. no longer around to be saved, or something along those lines

[hushed steeple]

I fully believe that our character, IS resh. Because we can’t find Resh, right?
So what if, since skykids CAN rebirth, Resh has rebirthed and is trying to help his people. He is carrying them home. He’s choosing selflessness over greed.

I mean who even is our skykid anyways? We’re just a star that’s decided to be helpful? We don’t know these people, we have no reason to save them or help them. They are dead. And that would be on their own accord.
But I feel as if we are Resh, and we feel truly sorry for what we did. After all, we are but children.

[jade river]

while i do agree, the king is truly a being of incredible power and responsable of elders having great power, i wont deny the fact that we have substantial evidence that hints us both the origin and possible demise of the king itself

both in prophecy and vault cutscenes we're shown pieces of art/constellations which ressemble a great leader which has vast power, specially in vault

i do agree in his own corruption part but if we're infact part of the king itself or created by the king itself, wouldnt be that something that proves the selfishness of the king?

the fact a brand new species was born, to die and be reborn at eden? for what? to free him??

that shows that the cycle of life and death which us all skykids face is a cycle made by the will of a single being, even if we indeed save resh, as you yourself said they were corrupted by power and greed, they wont go to a fancy lil retirement home they'll attempt to rule (back to the moral dilema if elders/king deserve forgiveness btw)

[ocean kraken]

so resh is the first skykid?

[hushed steeple]

Sorry for the length, lol. I’m so eager to read everything you all respond with!

[shut trellis]

Good theory. One question.
Is Resh all of us? Or one of us?

[hexed mist]

I don't think we played a part in the downfall, more like say we are the "savior" that was raised all the way back then, we were raised bc a prophecy fortold of a downfall, not because we were a ruler.

[jade river]

the murals of prophecy cave confirm that the sole being who completed them all obtained a vast power and became the ruler of the realms i doubt resh is truly a skykid but rather a young spirit, filled with determination to brave the trials and come out alive

[hushed steeple]

Well here’s another interesting thought- Who even is Resh? I mean, yeah he was a king, but we don’t even know who he was before the king. It’s like nobody bothered to record anything about him besides his downfall

[hexed mist]

I have to admit I adore the way you piece things together Edit bc slowmode is MEAN: It totally helps see things in new ways even though I've been playing for a year and a half! It's easy to kinda get lazy with interpretations after seeing the game so long

[ocean kraken]

so... is resh the savior or the destroyer? gosh this is like deltarune kris all over again, to me at least

[hushed steeple]

Resh is a constant. He is a lesson. But he is also alive, and even if he did bad, the whole of Sky is to forgive. To help.

If he is trapped in Eden, I have no doubt he’s had a thousand years to think about what he has done.

[jade river]

there is a structure known as the vault of knowledge, as the name suggests, its a vast library, we skykids are currently unable to access such information, thats why we base our thoughts in murals/visions or just the literal land itself

if we are able to access the vault's archive's then maybe we'll get more information

its not that there is no record of resh we just cant access it

[ocean kraken]

does resh have any connection to the kid we hug after we die?

[hushed steeple]

Well, I have one more amazing theory for you, that really actually kind of makes some sense, and it ties into the meaning of Sky itself!

[shut trellis]

He was the prince.
Okay here me out new sudden theory.
Yes everyone knows that the prince and king are the same but i'll just continue
I believe the skykid in the ushering stargazer's memory is the king. Perhaps there was a prophecy forseeing a star falling down and being the big guy or smthin
this is most likely wrong

[jade river]

looking forward to read it

[hexed mist]

Im hesitant again, to put a whole weight of a character and a name to something that was more concept art but I'm adoring these theories (Forgive my hesitation, I just find that if elders who would have less power than a king are shown, you would maybe have a bit more proof of king)

[shut trellis]

imagine being trapped in Eden with nothing but your own concious and guilt. would drive anyone crazy.

[jade river]

sky is a vast world, even if there is more concept arc of the "king" there's evidence of a monarch which ruled the realms inside sky

in addition we are living in a world filled with history we will form theories and debate on them until as a species, reach a consensus on what truly happened

btw im making this theories and comments like if i was an actual skykid who investigated the world not as someone who just plays a game (its for inmersion fellas)

[hushed steeple]

What if Resh WAS the king.
What if, instead, the elders betrayed him? Took his love and trust for them for granted.
What if they used the power HE gave them to dethrone and ruin him.

At the end of Eden, just before we get to space, there is a place for the elders. It has their statues. But there is NO place for Resh. Plus, this place for the elders is at the TOP of the palace, minus the roof towers obviously.

What if the elders overthrew Resh in their greed, and he in return did something so severe from all the pain and hate and sadness he felt. What if Resh destroyed his own species because they were so corrupt that he had no choice but to stop them himself.

Clearly in the GW there was a war, a battle. And it looks like Eden lost.

And another thing I’d like to point, the unofficial meaning to the name of the forest elder is “The Snake”

So maybe Resh was a good king, but had to make the ultimate choice to end his greedy and corrupt empire.
And what if the skykids are his way of fixing it and apologizing. We are delivering his people, those he loved and trusted about all else, but we aren’t delivering him.
Because he knows he can never go where they’re going.
There is no home for Resh, not yet at least, because he had to stop everything he made.

And how did he stop it?
Well our king, a being of great power, probably became Eden itself. The Eye Of Eden.

[hexed mist]

It's exactly like archeology tbh! I just want more stuff before I say "Yes without a doubt!!!" Ya know?? It's not that I can't be convinced!! I just want more lore dammit XDDDD

[shut trellis]

The Eye of Eden makes sense because his mask has one eye.

[hushed steeple]

Exactly. And it’s a Diamond. HIS SHAPE WAS A DIAMOND!
The meaning of Sky is to give without receiving. To be friendly and kind.
And I think Resh did exactly that, but he was betrayed by his closest friends.

And I think that because of that, he head to stop everything. We are simply his angels delivering his lost people.

[jade river]

there's evidence of a civil war, this isnt far fetched from actual reality, instead of being resh leading a "Crusade" against its own species i imagine a conflict based on both conventional warfare and weapons of mass destruction (GW's battlefield and eden diamond itself)

the king truly was the "diamond" shaped warriors, probably loyalists to the crown who refused to accept the takeover by the elders, the elders of course having an army who rejected the monarchy

this war was evidently won by the elder's side or atleast, was being won by the elders, there's evidence of defensive fortifications at GW and eden, king was playing defensive warfare, elders were on the offensive

during the conflict the king probably grew desperate to defeat its enemies and tried to weaponize eden diamond, leading to well, the cataclysm, the elders had the power now over the kingdom but resh's acts lead to their eventual death's and extinction of the spirit kind

[hushed steeple]

Another thing to note, in the GW we see heavy factories and industrialization.
What if this was the elders? Clearly they built. They ran things. Especially the forest elder.

It’s possible everything we see now came from them.
And that gigantic walled fortress in GW is the last thing Resh used to keep them out.

[shut trellis]

cough cough just a quick old lore post for more info on resh i guess

[jade river]

is this canon tho?

i doubt it is, many people seem to take it as canon but i just, dont feel it is canon lmao

[hushed steeple]

Actually there’s a lot of that stuff that we can see in the game. I mean, the forgotten ark! In GW!

[shut trellis]

Fair, but the art was old lore. I said old lore, though, not current canon

[jade river]

then its not canon lmao, its interesting but shouldnt be taken as canon

can be used to base theories tho ngl

[hexed mist]

Was it a single monarch? Was eden a castle, a whole RULER would be pointed to a lot more imo?? Like yes things here an there, but my goodness if I lived under a monarch you'd think there'd be more. But also your mentioning of civil war I can get behind partially?? Except I don't necessarily want to say yes it was elders against king. Need more solid proof for something like that! Like actual spirit memories or murals bc that is fairly drastic?? (Unless there are some, pls tell me)

[jade river]

EXACTLY WE NEED MORE LORE LMAO

this thoughts are logical but we lack substantial evidence xD

[hushed steeple]

Anyways. I just don’t feel like Resh would use his people.
I don’t feel like he’d abuse his power. I mean HE WAS THE TOP DOG.
The elders probably had to combine their own powers to even take him down.
And even so, THAT MAY HAVE JUST ENDED UP TURNING HIM INTO THE EYE OF EDEN!
I mean in the Vault, his image is him kneeling and crying. He’s in despair.

[shut trellis]

Yeah. It was only for basing theories, my purpose was never to put something canon.why do people keep asking me this but not the others

[hushed steeple]

And another thing I want to show you all, for those unaware.
In the Beta Eden, and keep in mind this isn’t here anymore, this is what was there.

[hexed mist]

I have to insist that a lot of conflict did come from overuse of resources. People panic when resources are being overused, could I interest you in the theory that the elders realized that their kingdom was falling to darkness, and protected their library from both dark creatures and from those looking to use the light and destroy the knowledge it contained as a last resource effort? (Knowing it wouldn't stave off darkness for long and our skykids would be left even more in the dark/unable to bring them to the stars in the future without vault?)

[jade river]

in dispair for loosing a war, not because he wants to actually just use their people, u made me open my eyes a bit and also consider resh as a being with feelings and not just as "random tyrant #45" but i wont deny the fact he isnt a saint

he probably did awful crimes in order to defend what he himself believed was right, the dispair and crying cant be considered as something coming from good heart emotions

i dont believe he used his power for whats right, but for what he believed was right

[hushed steeple]

Here’s the thing though. You NEVER see anything as Resh being bad. I mean, it’s uttered that the kingdom was in a GOLDEN AGE. And clearly they were happy, because every ancestor we find before GW was happy, they had good lives, they weren’t suffering under tyrannical rule.

I believe Resh is grieving being betrayed by his own friends, his own species.
And I believe we might be Resh, extending our hand as a forgiveness.

Maybe he was a Saint, I mean, he did lead his people to this land. And he obviously guide them.
He was a King not by force or power, but by something else

Sorry for my bad english)

[shut trellis]

I think its everyones fault. Maybe not everyone but most people. The light creatures are chill, though. Also your English is fine

[hushed steeple]

Also I just realized if you combine Resh’s name with its Hebrew version, his name is
Alef-Resh lmao

[shut trellis]

alef = prince
resh = king
yep epic

[hexed mist]

If Resh is real, and in game, forcing forgiveness is not the path. I honestly think it ought to be up to the player, or it ought to be revealed that he/they are trying to undo the damage done to warrant forgiveness. As a ruler you are in charge of your kingdom, and it's health/or downfall.

[jade river]

that mural could be shown as the last moments of resh, once the war and his hope was lost but i just cant just label resh as a good ruler but a grey one

he did good and awful things, for what he believed was right, his enemies, the elders probably also did what they found right, to take on their former leader

and the masses, were divided, some supporting the king and others the elders, leading the kingdom to war

the mural as a whole probably represents the more "buman" side of resh ***but the leftovers of the war portray his political side, he was willing to get his hands dirty for what HE believed was right ***

his reign probably was a long and prosperous one but war ravaged it. the more awful actions did to keep his kingdom united the less support he got in return

[hushed steeple]

Resh really be like

[shut trellis]

I've seen that meme and it makes me smile everytime

[ocean kraken]

i still think resh is skykid not spirit, there are no records of him everywhere

[hushed steeple]

Yknow Lucho, I gotta admit, you’ve made me see Resh in a new way.
I think maybe still, he was a good king.
But I also have to wonder who he was. I can’t judge this person as good or bad when I don’t know hardly anything of him.

I think our long lost king is just going to be Grey for a bit. And I like that.

[ocean kraken]

if he is the king, there must be a record of him, right? even in seasons (prophecy features some regular spirits too)

[hexed mist]

I also don't want to completely think 100% it was a civil war. Like there's more proof in game that expansion and overuse of the light was the downfall than a civil war. Less light= more dark creatures. Edit this slow mode is KILLING ME but i digress

[hushed steeple]

Also I’d like to point out the concept art of our dear king. Though obviously not official, you can tell what they were thinking

[shut trellis]

Well there's a bunch of statues of them especially in wasteland

[jade river]

you also changed my way of seeing the king, he wasnt pure evil, he got its position for a reason, he did awful things but for what he probably believed was right

its crying in dispair, is the human of them, how the grief the loss of their friends, their golden age and more

the battlefields of GW show the political side of resh, a king willing to fight for the last man available, a determined leader who pushed for victory and did awful things to obtain such victory

[hushed steeple]

I think I see Resh as human now, he was faulty, but I believe he was good in his heart.
Much like any of us running an Empire, I’m sure he did what he believed was good until his end.

[jade river]

exactly, good in heart, did awful things in order to keep what they believed was the right thing to do

Agreeing with u in this one a 100%

[hexed mist]

I'm not saying you're incorrect, but I don't civil war was entirely the issue, truly there's not tons of proof that he was fighting his own people and not just darkness. The more you explain the less I'm convinced now

[shut trellis]

I don't think he was a very good king. But I said not a good king, not his overall person. He wanted to do good, but he wasn't the best at ruling. And it turned out pretty bad, but the elders are also to blame a bit.

[hushed steeple]

Yknow, this does tie into my theory of him being a child.
Because, well. What if he was?
His mistakes are honestly sad.
And yet, very childlike in nature.

If my friends betrayed me as a child, I felt an unexplainable grief.
And rage. Unbridled.

[shut trellis]

I always thought it was too much using of light, like how humans use fossil fuels. Then there's polution, etc. Hence factories and dark water. If there was a war, that could have made it worse. Oh boy, much happened in Sky.

[jade river]

so you could say you believe in a more "Darkness plague" type of war?

like, actual dark creatures taking over the realms and destroying most of the former kingdom?

[hushed steeple]

Okay hear me out. What if the Krill ARE dead soldiers, or corrupted?
I mean, you only see them in Eden, which literally has a barrack, and GW, which has a battlefield.

[jade river]

i can say with confidence that probably the elders brought a coup against the king in order to stop the mass industralization (in my theory is shown as the prime reason of the civil war)

[hexed mist]

I do!! We see light being used as a power source! And overuse, deforestation, and the like brought on more darkness, brought on chaos and fighting, perhaps even amongst people, but!! I don't believe it was a king against his people, no.

[shut trellis]

im not the one you asked but im pretty sure dark creatures are corrupted. i could be wrong but iirc, a dev said that krills are. i wasn't one who believed the theory before but eh

[jade river]

ok i disagree on this one, i believe that krills are either

just machines made by one side of the war

or forcibly corrupt creatures, which were poisoned by darkness and used as weapons against other light beings

[hushed steeple]

I’ll agree with you absolutely on the greed of Sky. It’s honestly fitting.

They took but do not give.
We give, but do not receive.

[hexed mist]

People panic when resources are used up, and when enemies are around! But i don't think the elders turned on the king, or that a king turned against his own people

[shut trellis]

What a messed up world it is.

[ocean kraken]

i agree with u. thats what i m thinking and have written back in gen chat. remember the crying spirit in forest? also the krills are corrupted creatures

[hushed steeple]

But why crab evil though

[jade river]

imagine if all we're speaking is wrong and TGC just says

"oreo threw a nuke, that is all" (brb fellas)

[hexed mist]

With less light, you find more darkness, hence more dark creatures, just simply by the nature of how light and darkness work

EDIT BC SLOWMODE: LUCHO IM SORRY THATS JUST PLAIN FUNNY LMAO

[shut trellis]

corruption, I'd say. they have flakey dark stuff on them

[ocean kraken]

crabs are a form of darkness too afaik, i have tried to knock and put crab in the sunlight and they grow something like dark spots on them, same as the dark plants when burnt

[shut trellis]

ngl we probably are all wrong but Oreo never threw a nuke. also, oreo is technically a dead dog...so why can we ride them? why aren't they spirit like? are they a zombie
we summon them from their grave like a certain whisperer spirit

[hushed steeple]

The community when they see the king:

[ocean kraken]

oreo isnt dead, it is still alive irl lmao. probably thats why it is a spoiler like office since it has no relation to the lore, like the office

ok eden is also a spoiler but hope u get what i mean haha

[shut trellis]

my favourite "elder"

[hushed steeple]

Anyways this was some dope debates. I’d love to group up with y’all at some point and explore sky. Could be a fun expedition if you’re down.

[shut trellis]

why do we summon them from a grave thenn

[jade river]

agreed it was amazing

[hushed steeple]

Well if any of you want to friend me on sky, just DM me and I’ll send the QR code or whatever

[ocean kraken]

is it a grave? well it looks like grave. but i dont think the proper way to summon something from grave is with the butterfly pose. its just... normal summoning from oreo irl to oreo in game. imo

[hushed steeple]

Dumb theory: Eden based on Mount Fuji?

[jade river]

i mean in earth we have a ton of mountains lmao

it could be any of the existing mountains

[ocean kraken]

pls elaborate the connection or any similarities

[hushed steeple]

Well, snow, mountain, tall,

[ocean kraken]

yeah just like other mountains probably

btw, have u seen pnr without storm? it looks like a grand hall with pillars left n right. what do u think it used to be?

[hushed steeple]

If anything Eden is based off of MT Everest

Idk what pnr is

[hexed mist]

An expedition would actually be super dope
My cause of death: forgetting slowmode and being a person who sends multiple smaller messages than essays so I don't overwhelm anyone

[ocean kraken]

i believe the area after pnr is filled with things but it is vast now because it is destroyed by the storm. and the diamond is the source of main energy (aka the main darkness of all)

point of no return, the place to die

true, slowmode lol

[hexed mist]

WHY THE SQUINTY REACTION I THOUGHT SOMEONE HAD MENTIONED GOING ON AN EXPEDITION TO LOOK AT MURALS I THOUGHT IT WAS COOL

[ocean kraken]

i thought u mean u r gonna search mt everest irl, since its expedition lmao. you dont think so, right? ... right?

[hushed steeple]

Real quick before I go, The PNR was probably just a part of the palace. Most likely a throne room or plaza.
It doesn’t seem significant, as there’s not really any sign of any important things. However it could be a core of the castle, no clue, be back soon!

[hexed mist]

Oh absolutely not I have no business dumping more trash up there, and I'm built like a boiled spaghetti noodle but I digress, I just thought it would be neat to go looking at stuff that gives lore in the game

[hushed steeple]

Another little thing I recommend

Look up Tom Zhao’s art of Sky, it’ll really open your view on the game

[ocean kraken]

oh i have. in fact, the soldiers at gw were battling corrupted dark creatures hence i strongly believe it's a war between darkness vs civilians

[shut trellis]

in which the civilians lost pretty badly

[thin dirge]

The slowmode still here?
Damn

Someone should go to #contact-the-mods to remove it. I dont think its meant to be here for this long

[twin dew]

I'm pretty late but, someone mentioned krills being soldiers but I think that the krills could have been light creatures to assist the soldiers since (at least to what I'm aware) they could not fly like us skids

Just a theory but I think it's pretty cool :0

[rigid mural]

Went back to visit Daleth in Isle, I wonder if those depiction of temples also fit their altitude.

On the first pic, Isle is lowest because it's barely above sea level, Prairie is higher up with all the floating land, and Forest is slightly below.

On second pic, Valley is highest, Wastelands are lowest (perhaps same level as Isle ?) and maybe Vault is above due to being probably within the mountain of Eden.

Also I noticed the slumbering shipwright made a miniature boat not unlike the candle holders in the Isle temple, kinda cute.
Maybe they were meant to carry offerings ? Could make sense if there's all the symbolism of boats going back and forth between the ancestors who load them with offerings, and the elders on the other side who receive them.

Speaking of slumbering shipwright, one of my headcanons is that the butterfly we see in their cutscene is Ayin's (), and maybe elders watched over ancestors through animals; the first 3 realms have you exit the temple accompanied by light creatures.
Birds in isle, butterflies in prairie and mantas in forest.

One could argue the mantas were only released in forest and don't really count, but I think it kinda fits the transitional nature of forest and the emancipation of leaving it for Valley (the rainy forest can be very tough on moths, just like a cage).
We also go from birds following Daleth's () staff but not seemingly needing them, to butterflies being created and visibly domesticated by Ayin, to Teth () having caged mantas.
Kinda follows the theme of ancestors growing less and less empathetic toward light creatures.

[ember temple]

Definitely

[harsh pecan]

It’s permanent

[dense tusk]

what do you guys think the purpose of the elders, spirits, and/or seasons are? like in a lore perspective not a player perspective

[harsh pecan]

Elders ruled over the spirits ig

[thin dirge]

P-Permanent??
The devs who put this slowmode here said its permanent???

[icy spruce]

Ye, oh hi Butterfly

Nah, it’s the mods

[compact shale]

the mods said it but here's the statement

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[thin dirge]

Oh, okay, thanks for the clarification!

[upbeat rampart]

The winged lights be parts of his soul that spread across the realm, each position where Prince probably was? Like some sort of a memory attachment.

[compact shale]

winged horcruxes /j

[hushed steeple]

Why do the butterflies giggle. Please tell me.

[compact shale]

wait what /gen

[upbeat rampart]

Probably that happens while giving light?

[upbeat rampart]

I'd assume it's the sound they give while charging you up part, when you deepcall

[compact shale]

honk transplant /j

[shut trellis]

Many terrible deeds would be needed to make so many winged light, oh no.

[hexed cedar]

Off topic but you use discord light mode too?

[icy spruce]

y e s

[hexed cedar]

Thank you I thought I was alone in this world

[pastel brook]

Did someone call the fun police??

[shut trellis]

No. No. Still, no.

[icy spruce]

same

[floral grove]

Has there been an explanation for the bell ring we hear when our Sky kids slam into something while flying

[frigid tinsel]

I heard of one that assumes skykids are physically hollow and whatever they’re made of causes reverberations when hit, like metal or clay.

[compact shale]

yeah, that's probably the case

skykids dont feel pain no more, but their bodies still need to follow sound physics

[true grove]

The wind paths look like the old forest concepts where trees were made out of clouds, though the wind paths look more cave like. 👀

[compact shale]

Well there were also comparisons of Flight cosmetics to old concept art, so maybe that's just more of that

Still tho TGC should've brought back the kite

[hushed steeple]

Its skykid cussing. :]

Yo flight when set side to side with that concept art looks just like one of them. A game as pretty as its concept art. Sometimes I forget how beautiful it is.

Kite? This kite? Man I really want kites in sky. Just all over and as items and as cosmetics. Kites seem like something sky would be all about.

[compact shale]

Yep. Pretty darn beautiful.

You know how Ktjn once said "Not everything is necessarily official canon for this season. Though that can be applied to any season."

You know what would be interesting? If Sky turned out to be an amalgamation of different timelines, each seasonal area being from a different timeline from the others. And then Flight is the central area keeping everything stable.

Not based but interesting

[hushed steeple]

Dibs on prophecy dimension

[scarlet apex]

Are the skykids blind? 🤔

[devout skiff]

Hi Lore Chat!
I was wondering if someone already made like a graphic list of all the symbols found in murals and markings in the game?
Example: Picture of squiggly lines in murals = Clouds
If not, I wanted to make one!

[frigid tinsel]

I don’t think so cos whenever someone — say another skykid or a spirit — gets close to them, they turn to look at them. Actual blind people don’t turn to look at things.

On the contrary, I think they can see (or at least sense) without their eyes, given their eyes are shut when they’re maskless. So they may rely on sight but it isn’t their only means of sensory navigation

[compact shale]

honkecholocation

also it seems that the question of skykids being blind has been getting brought up a lot lately in lorechat... why is that?

[frigid tinsel]

I wonder if it’s cos the game can be so bloody bright, hurts my eyes at least and the game’s graphics shows some obvious glare. So perhaps to protect them, one could presume skykids were made without eyes. Or that their eyes are also glaring bright that it’d be difficult to see?
I’m just speculating where the thought comes from

I’ve thought that skykids close their eyes when maskless cos if they’d opened them, the light that’d project would be way too bright for others. Courtesy, so to speak. They open their eyes when wearing masks cos the mask blocks the excessive light.

[willow shoal]

[scarlet apex]

Another question, do thy sky kids have bones or light? 🤔

[icy spruce]

Light

Oh hi John, long time no see

[lusty merlin]

Based on how we can fall from any height and still turn out fine, I’d say skykids don’t have bones

[compact shale]

I mean, hardened clay has a nasty reputation of shattering into a million pieces, each of which has the potential to gouge out a poor shmuck's eye

[frigid tinsel]

Where did the idea they are made of clay in particular come from?

[compact shale]

well it came from this iirc

1. brownish colored bodies
2. fire making us stronger and water making us weaker
3. that ding sound when we bonk into stuff

[lusty merlin]

Idk where else to put this, but I’ve been thinking on how the valley twins could’ve split valley into two where one rules one side, and one rules the other, and depending where spirits live their attire reflects it. Like village of dreams for example; there’s not a SINGLE cool tone color for any of the cosmetics, all warm.
Not to mention the statue of the figure skater in the arena which is also on the red side, and is where one of the entrances to the village is located.

Idk if the Troupe originated from valley (I’m only going off the ending on when they left) but they would also be a perfect example of only wearing cool tone clothing, which means they all lived on the blue side. I don’t think the twins would dictate on the colors you can or can’t wear but I think it would be a cool detail.
And I feel like if the twins had different outfits like hosting fancy sporting events, I think they would also wear the colors from whatever side they rule, for aesthetics ofcorse

[compact shale]

apparently there was upper class valley and lower class valley in the concept arts

so which color corresponds to which class

[lusty merlin]

Ahh that would makes sense, I thought it was like a team color thing, red vs. blue

[floral grove]

I saw someone mention that Sky kids like to stretch their arms out to touch things that are near them. That and the fact that they honk in order to find where they should be going as a guide when they get lost seem to point out that they're either blind or have really bad vision

[compact shale]

Yeah I've heard, just wondering why lots of peeps are getting curious about this specific topic

[lusty merlin]

Probably cuz a lot of people never really gave it much thought, but it would make sense

[floral grove]

Probably because of how unusual the theory is and how it makes sense in certain ways. A species of blind humanoids that can fly gracefully is unbelievable but with the bits of evidences that tell us that they're blind, it really can spark interest

[frigid tinsel]

Fun fact: babies and toddlers love to grab stuff. It’s how they explore their environment. Even though skykids look and may act like older children, they’re very much equivalent to newborns when it comes to the world

[lusty merlin]

-tries to grab krill-

[compact shale]

*gets eviscerated

[dusk wedge]

Well have you seen their eyes? They dont have pupils, just a white abyss staring into another abyss

[hushed steeple]

Ngl, this looks like Samekh

[compact shale]

whazzat

[hushed steeple]

Like, the other elder
It's league of legends art

[compact shale]

ohhhh

[harsh pecan]

Lol

[sturdy needle]

[compact shale]

Greetings, lorers.

I present to you... that one bible verse with Elder stuff in it!

https://bible.usccb.org/bible/psalms/37

[shut trellis]

woah there's even mem! /j not saying anything further

ngl i thought of how the ancestors all poofed and skykids came with the part under ayin's name. weird comparison im sorry

[rotund elbow]

what is children of the light?

[twilit blade]

Dunno where else to put this so:

Fireworks?

[true grove]

Yes, fireworks and sparklers

That's what the mom uses

[twilit blade]

Which mom?

[true grove]

Sparkler parent

[rigid mural]

Theories on why the refusing spirit has dark plants on them ? My theory is that they were doing a sort of ritual and they ended up injured. Or worse.

[orchid jolt]

hey, how many statues are there currently to give a winged light to in sacrifice? I feel like they may have added more than the old 64
Edit: please @ me with the answer

[orchid jolt]

wait, does reliving that spirit mnemory spawn the dark plants?

[rigid mural]

Yep !

[orchid jolt]

that makes 3!

[rigid mural]

Tearful light miner has dark plants in their memory too, which spirit is the third one ?

Ok but the orbs held by the spirits in my screenshots... same size as the ones inside them when their memories are not being relived, and could be a parallel with the vault cutscene Eden constellation

[orchid jolt]

The spirit that's friends with a butterfly

[rigid mural]

RIGHT slumbering shipwright. No idea why the dark plants tho.

[orchid jolt]

(sleepy shipwright)

[orchid jolt]

hey, how many statues are there currently to give a winged light to in sacrifice? I feel like they may have added more than the old 64
btw please @ me with the answer

[harsh pecan]

Hmmm

[harsh pecan]

I used to think those were explosives

[compact shale]

Hmmm

[bitter pasture]

Have y’all seen the weird stone things in prarie and forest

[compact shale]

Which ones

[neat flint]

You mean the clock?

[compact shale]

Oh if you're referring to the stone thing with a circle on it, it's a clock for the mushroom ring (prairie) or the rainbow (forest)

Don't ask me how to read it, I have no idea how

[bitter pasture]

There’s also one in forest I found

[compact shale]

Yep, that's a clock

Can someone explain how to read it tho?

[hushed steeple]

Dunno its the same every time I look at it brbrbrb. Maybe its only different just before the event happens?

[harsh pecan]

Same

[upbeat rampart]

Hello lorechat, I'll cut to the chase. The candles are like Flight candles, no?

Interesting, really

[rugged jackal]

I just thought— bats have really bad eyesight, and they use echolocation to navigate, catch prey, and communicate. I’m sure we all know that. (Other animals like dolphins and some birds also use echolocation!) What if the skykids are like bats in a sense, being nearly blind and using their chirps to communicate and find their way around? When we release a message using chat, we chirp after all..
Haha, just something I thought up for ya.

[harsh pecan]

What do Flight Candles look like?

[nimble ingot]

@orchid jolt
The amount of statues in eden, if I recall correctly, range between 63 and 64. ||The extra statue would be that of the Little Prince during the final quest.||

However, I noticed that some statues would at times be inactive, or what I call 'dead.'
This could not be caused by a repeat visit of eden, as I have taken note of this with multiple runs after each reset.
It is possible that these statues you miss in the first run, would become active on a repeat run.

[harsh pecan]

I think that’s what happens

[orchid jolt]

Ohh thx

[upbeat rampart]

Sorry for the very late response, this one (yes flight ones are more thinner but--yes)

[harsh pecan]

Oooo

[hushed steeple]

Ooh, where is this?

[icy spruce]

Season of Fkight area, near QG

[hushed steeple]

No, I meant the image sent by Light

[hushed steeple]

👆

[pulsar yoke]

Hiii does anybody have that one picture that explains the meaning of the realms? ||The one u can find in office||?

[harsh pecan]

I think I do, wait a sec

[pulsar yoke]

Ok!! Ty!

[harsh pecan]

I’m sorry, I cant find it. But maybe this’ll help?

https://www.tomzhao.com/sky1

[pulsar yoke]

Dw! ty, i'll check it out!!

[harsh pecan]

Np

[twilit blade]

Valley of Triumph, inside Colosseum Temple where a WL is in the maze area

I also wordered why those candles are and why they're so big, but I let it cross my mind

I find it fun how the tallest ones are almost as big as a chibi

[compact shale]

You're the first person in lorechat I've seen who asked

"why are the candles?"

[twilit blade]

I mean, why are candles one of the most common symbol in Sky?
And that also brings up a question, is it a matter of historical events? Since candles are mainly the source of light on the early days, does that mean modern Sky will have lamps? Lamp posts? Light bulbs, etc. ?
Or are skykids made out of waxy clay kind of thing?

[compact shale]

Well, candles have been quite prominent since ancestor days, so whatever the reason is goes beyond skykid comprehension

[floral grove]

Do you guys think the entire planet where Sky takes place in is mostly just water and that the only major landmasses are the 8 realms (including home)? Or do you guys think there are other places out there with different cultures and technologies?

[lusty escarp]

I mean so far we haven't really had any season or anything like that that actually went way beyond the realms, and a lot of the times the horizon is covered with clouds. So, maybe?

[floral grove]

Interesting. I can't imagine how bad the precipitation is in sub-cloud territory with all those clouds which we can only assume is just mostly water, evident by how Isle and GW, both sub-cloud places, are surrounded by a body of water

[hushed steeple]

Does anyone have a photo of megabird-

[calm jewel]

Eden hashad red water(lava?) OOB... new areas slowly become revealed overtime emerging from white clouds(ash?)... Geysers spew forth water(boiling?)... the world seems fractured, rocks and pieces of land float, and gravity itself is doing strange things... everything about this almost feels like a fever dream caused by chemicals from massive magnetic, seismic, and volcanic activity...

[hushed steeple]

Thanks😭

[shut trellis]

Birb spaghetti

[shut trellis]

Is the photo from the current sky? i thought itwas but i wanna make sure

[jaunty tapir]

Yes in the credits!

[shut trellis]

Thank you! I should watch the credits next time I go to Eden haha

[full sorrel]

no new season’s sneak peaks yet?

[glass fractal]

I've heard a theory that the humanoid masks with the glowing eyes help skykids see
Like how light seems to make things work

[wooden tendon]

I have some

[compact shale]

those are probably illegal

[wooden tendon]

Most likely, i’ve gotten them from a friend, they aren’t from me

[compact shale]

can you DM me tho? out of morbid curiosity?

[wooden tendon]

Sure, that is what i can indeed

[icy spruce]

I love how lore chat is the suspicious dark alleyway

[compact shale]

not always

tis an exception not the norm

[icy spruce]

lmao

lore chat is basically the rebellious child of Skyscord

[compact shale]

why rebel child

[icy spruce]

well, considering the history of lore chat with yknow

[compact shale]

im sorta new to lorechat so i dont know the yknow

dm me pls?

[mental sky]

Ive seen a YouTube video talking about it and it makes a lot of sense /echolocation, touching around to feel where they going. Also the only time when they "see" another skykid is when they pull out their candle from their heart/flames touch /. Also that the light within them lits up humanoid masks and that when they see clearly

Hope I made sense 😭😢

[shut trellis]

Well the lore it self is dark and suspicious, so typically the lorians would be too.

[ivory radish]

And you know what, I HAVE KNEW IT ALL FOR A LONG TIME. My research showed even then that some "evil air" exit from the Wasteland. In any case, sooner or later he had to seize power over the clouds, because all entrances are blocked by dark air. The krill themselves, it is they who create the energy and have been trying all this time to break through. You are .... GOD, SO THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF THE THEORY ABOUT THE CONCEPTION OF THE HEAVENLY KINGDOM !!!!! SO IT MAY BE ONE OF THE REASONS FOR THE FALL OF EDEN AND THE DEATH OF ELDER EDEN

[boreal nebula]

I have been short on ideas and I don't even browse Lore very much lately and Idk if you got any output already, but there are theories about the King consuming/eating that light/Diamond in that mural or him becaming greedy

But I like your point of view, it could be him crying maybe

[rigid mural]

It's mostly a tug war between people trying hard to find out the lore at any costs (including hacking), and the mods trying to keep this channel accessible to all and not trusting us to welcome moths (with rules that make it hard to chat in).

[shut trellis]

Not trusting us to welcome moths is, ngl, a good idea. I mean it can be good but we'd corrupt their brain before they get a second to enjoy the peace of sky. They wouldn't view it as bright. Although the lore is pretty enjoyable.

But people hack? What do they even hack to get lore??

[rigid mural]

Talk for yourself, until recently, elder concept names (daleth, ayin, teth, samekh, tsadi and lamed in the order of realms you go through) weren't allowed. Some terms referring to concept art are also automatically deleted.

As for hacking, some people find their way into the game files, which are full of unused content.

[orchid jolt]

personally, i dont consider things we dont see in game normally as canon (like oobs and file names and stuff)

[shut trellis]

For me, it depends on what it is. definitely not oobs though
But yeah, unused content is similar to concept stuff, which isn't canon.

[frozen pivot]

to be fair, the situation this whole thing is in isnt entirely the community's fault, as much as most of us try to be welcoming, accepting new ideas of newcomers isnt exactly easy to do, least in my case. the very lore itself isnt exactly welcoming either, being vague and all, and especially since there will always be 2 sides of this lore channel, those that think creatively and those that just want to understand it. disagreeing isnt an option either since there isnt anything to disagree on, being the lore not existing anyway

everytime i check in here, i feel alienated despite being a regular for more than year

[shut trellis]

You're fine. There are some people who I think of as "Good lore theorist veteran" and you are one of them. But i agree, there's many things that new lore moths suggest stuff which some overall disagree with and its hard to see in their perspective. Its not always from moths though. but theories always have to change anyways. no theories are facts but they can sure feel like them.

[orchid jolt]

yah, i consider kamilco, chesca, kitsuu, and others i cant think of right now as lore vets. also good point with everything just being theories btw

[shut trellis]

Thanks! Also I consider you as a lore vet too haha

[orchid jolt]

:D thx!

[rigid mural]

Hi Kitsuu, long time no see

To be honest I think the problem is that TGC wants us to believe the lore is vague and up for interpretation, when we're getting updates and retcons that clearly point otherwise (the changes in the introduction, the recent seasons past enchantment, eccetera).

[compact shale]

Wait what do you mean we'd corrupt moths?

[shut trellis]

It was a joke-ish thing of saying that we would tell the moths about how dark the lore is and stuff angst into their brains. At least, that's how I got into lore, I think. And that's what I did.

[compact shale]

*snrk

Warning: Lorechat can't be trusted around children

[shut trellis]

My older messages in lore chat were really... well they were dumb. Can't believe I went "Well, the King is definitely evil" and "Butterflies are made of cheese in Sky" I can confirm that my first days in lore chat were built of jokes and random dumb angst "theories". And, it still somewhat is.

I'm crying on the inside right now

[wheat fern]

"Are skykids blind?" Boi do I relate, lol. Had to find my glasses with my old pair of glasses yesterday

[hushed steeple]

Sky lore is pretty easy to explain in the form of photo compilations......because thats pretty much all it is aside from a few dev comments, half of which might strait up be gone. Honestly compared to kirby lore where we discuss who the other 3 heros of yore are and what the four matters of void actually are sky lore is a lot less defined. You gotta go off a lot of things that look like they might have at one point had intention.

[wheat fern]

Is this how archeologists and historians feel about history before there was a written language?

[hushed steeple]

Prolly

[lunar folio]

Something that's been on my mind, mostly because I don't feel like reading fanfic to find out... but does anyone else tend to consider game-generated random nicknames to be canonical sky kid or even ancestor species names?

[hushed steeple]

It makes sense and fits the style. Though in my heart “Emorain” “kingcrab” and “youhere” will always be my shining stars

[frozen pivot]

exactly wat i was trying to point out actually, the whole thing about "up for interpretation" yet here they are adding more things that could easily be interpreted but could also probably be wrong so everyone basically have a second guess on everything, ultimately making the problem worse. theres no clear significant law or rule that the i can follow in the lore really, and the only thing we can all agree on as light = life, dark = corrupt. but even that can be wrong and actually be the other way around for all we know, at this point. ||also ye i lurk here and there ||

[lunar folio]

Retcon fascinate me. I can't imagine what it would be like, trying to follow this game since Light Awaits.

[onyx blaze]

don't forget the delight [sarcasm] of anything in game coming from potentially unreliable narrators [we're trusting that murals/spirit memories tell the truth] ahah //lh

[frozen pivot]

they heavily emphasize on fanon being fanon, which is fair. but to be honest i think its the least of the problem, if anything its the only thing that most of the regulars can sublty bond on, knowing names newcomers would only come to know in time. its cooler to call gw elder, tsadi anyway

[hushed steeple]

I second Kitsuu, Amoeba and Chesca as pretty much vets.

And yeah despite ‘being up for interpretation’ things do sometimes get retconned or confirmed. A moment of silence for all the ‘krills are robots’ theorist.

[lunar folio]

Lol, watch the resolution near the end of server support be, "time is cyclical and you bringing so much Light through retconned the lore all along."

[frozen pivot]

i was one of them before, had a theory on krills being some sort of mech, then that trailer pops up . my mach 10 boosted laser-eyed ramming catastrophe shrimps , gone forever

[rigid mural]

I saw someone say something interesting, interview and streams, even hosted by devs themselves, can be considered unreliable since it would be putting pressure on them to make sure everything they say makes sense (see the chaos of devs alluding the existence of milk in Sky).

[shut trellis]

I always thought krills were natural and not corrupted. TGC wants us to be creative and do whatever the heck we want and not get into fights because nothing is really canon, but that backfired now.

[hushed steeple]

Im pretty sure some devs just make up answers. But if its from Jenova, I can prolly consider its the intention in game, or Ash, if its for something she worked on. (And not TS hints)

[rigid mural]

Plus some stuff can be mistranslated, current lore doc has "the elders are the stars that fell" cited from a Japanese interview (and some other stuff straight up made up), so...

[frozen pivot]

i mean jenova is canon iirc. even if that was an edit, hes canon now cus i said so

[rigid mural]

Isn't Jenova Chen the director 😂

[hushed steeple]

We don’t know if elders even fell or not though. I guess we know one fell if you believe in prophecy child is Alef theory.

[rigid mural]

The elders being fallen stars would explain a lot imo, so I still hold onto that crumb until the devs retcon it.

[frozen pivot]

falling and being sent down are completely different things too, wat if they were just sent down and by fall, it meant that they lost their light somehow, before, during or after the catastrophe

[shut trellis]

Unfortunately, even the only one who fell in theory, is just in a theory. It's technically not canon or denied(yet).

[compact shale]

Yeah, it sure does. The intro has been changed quite a few times. I know the intro was changed to be more beginner-friendly, but they changed the lorey part too. Maybe we should ask about it in the next dev stream

[hushed steeple]

O that reminds, in one of the early light awaits into strait up said your skykid was lost and was missing their FAMILY

[lunar folio]

Do the data mining and hacking crowds have a compiled collection of older game stuff still hidden out of sight or inaccessible to normal OOBs stuff?
I've heard the blue eden stuff isn't there at all anymore, but Is be curious to see if maybe some stuff hasn't been backburnered for later use.

[hushed steeple]

There was so many intros. It really speaks that the story was made on the fly and prolly still is.

[compact shale]

It's not a good idea to discuss hacking here.

[frozen pivot]

those little things man, idk if they addressed it in some way, but saying "no, its not canon anymore" isnt that hard

[shut trellis]

Yeah that makes sense. Their kingdom "fell" anyways so it'd make sense.

[rigid mural]

While chat is active, can anyone tell me if the favorite friends constellation and the area the game tells you to go to when you 100% a constellation and click the flag are called "The Light" in english too ?

[frozen pivot]

its not like people that played the game from light awaits would forget it, like i have a bad memory yet i can still clearly remember wat pretty much happened in enchantment

[lunar folio]

Kind of a lame rule, in other online games I've followed their data is still factored in, but I get it.

[compact shale]

There's a considerably different message being sent by the 2019 live intro and the current intro. I know some of the changes are to make it more moth-friendly, but like I said, it changed the lorey parts too.

2019 - With the stars united, our light was infinite. But darkness came, and the stars fell...Together the fallen stars made a new home in the clouds. If only they had listened... A long time has passed. Now, I call to you. Wake up, child. Bring our lost stars home.

2021 - The spirits of this realm have long awaited your arrival... ...and your light. "With the stars united, our light was infinite... ...and together, we lived in harmony. As spirits, we soon became many...creating our home here in the clouds. But darkness came and the stars fell... ...and with their light we faded away. A long time has passed. Now we call to you. Go forth, child. Return our spirits to the stars." Draw near, so we may start you on the journey... At last, child...you are ready. Begin by answering the temple's call. --> Spirits once lit the skies and connected our realms... ...in temples, our elders would usher them skyward. But now...their light is lost. Awaken the spirits still lost in this realm to proceed. --> Other Elders wait in distant temples to be awakened. Restore them, child, and we will wait for you in the light.

[shut trellis]

Is it just me or does lore chat criticize TGC a quarter of the time? Not meant to be offensive and criticize may not be the right word but..

[lunar folio]

Tbh I can see the need to retcon there. They fell, then started the abandoned cities we see, then further calamity, that's abit much

[rigid mural]

Actually yeah, I won't hide I criticize TGC

[compact shale]

Actually, I think the new intro fills some gaps. I don't really think it's a retcon. But I highly doubt that the Light Awaits intros are still canon. Idk.

[frozen pivot]

not to say its warranted, but its a way of saying that people do get critical in things and want to call out their way of doing things and how its affecting anyone on the behalf of those the enjoy lore basically

[compact shale]

wow what was the critique about?

[shut trellis]

The second one gives a lot more lore information. And I love it. But it feels.... long. Might bore the newcomers. I sure didn't like to listen to the intro, even though it was short.

[lunar folio]

Criticism, if handled in a good natured, productive sort of way is healthy I think, for a game that probably encourages and sustains itself with a lot of whaling.

[compact shale]

Idk, I think TGC tried their best to merge story and gameplay with it.

You know what would be really big? A hint on who's telling us this intro.

[hushed steeple]

I think a lot more of it comes from lore chat because a lot of us are pretty much active studiers of concept art. Its becomes easier to start missing something that was never even in the game.

[frozen pivot]

game wise, its very much burning, the same mundane grinding, finding new friends. its the lore that really kept me in the game for so long so seeing it kinda rot like this is sad, especially since ive actively spent time just to uncover things for myself

[hushed steeple]

Thats a good point. Im at a kinda limbo where part of my enjoyment of sky is the lore (but I still like just playing with friends) even though sky lore is hardly any part of sky and they are almost kept separate.

[rigid mural]

I feel like Sky wants to be one of those deep, meaningful games that each player gets something different from, while also having a detailed hidden lore people can be fascinated by. Which is possible, but not with the limitations TGC gave themselves.

[compact shale]

What limitations?

Edit: I mean yeah, though TGC doesn't make phones so it's a given

[shut trellis]

Lore was one of the only things that got me playing again after a short break, so yeah, I agree. I do wish it was a bigger thing in game and in the community. I think lore vagueness is fine but i think that it got chaotic.

[rigid mural]

Sky was made to run smoothly on phone, that's why they can't add too many details.

Details they would have benefitted from since Sky players LOVE digging out secrets in hard to reach places.

[hushed steeple]

Im still waiting on that mythical concept art book to become the new lore doc. My fear is it will focus on big completed current art and not on unused or scribbly concepts and ideas. I want scribbles and ideas everywhere not room taken up with full current renders.

[compact shale]

Ohhh

"Art of Sky" book

that would be cool :0

[lunar folio]

Limitations like an indefinite game run time most likely.
How can yoy bring resolution to anything without pushing it closer towards the end?

My suggestion there is handling it like windpaths or forgotten ark, repairs yoy can make to realms locked behind quests so they don't mess up the empty cities experience for moths.

I suppose game size is also a concern. I've seen Light Awaits screengrabs and they look gorgeous, a shame it was so laggy

[shut trellis]

Sometimes the simplest things are the best. Scribbles please

[hushed steeple]

Yeah, theres a lot of areas I liked better in LA, (some of the isles and prairies, but I actually like current forest better) but I have no idea how many where actually feasible on phones. Even ones not terribly different from current.

Like would the phone have exploded with moon glyphs?!

[compact shale]

the Light Awaits testing period must've been hell for quite a lot of those phones

You know what I'm glad didn't make it into the LIVE game? Apparently back then, if you didn't have an AP you only had access to 2 seasonal daily quests and therefore only get 2 seasonal candles per day(idk about finding them in the map)

Edited for clarity whoops

[lunar folio]

Even on the switch some areas, like the hotspring in HV really chug

[rigid mural]

I like how Light Awaits says ancestors and/or Elders (forgot who) helped light from all corners of the kingdom reach Eden. It gives us a reason why we follow the paths we fly through.

[shut trellis]

Is TGC making lore up as they go? I'd except Prophecy to be presented earlier if not.

[wheat fern]

I have one named "Cexifoxi" and I laugh every time I see them online

[compact shale]

Prooooooobbaaaaaablyyyyyyyyy.

[shut trellis]

If the lore ends up getting real messy I won't question it.

[wheat fern]

Just like actual history, they just throwing shtuff at a wall and seeing what sticks

[hushed steeple]

That being said Im happy the creature war and corrupted elder and the horrible sweaty looking nakedish looking ancestors did not make it in.

[rigid mural]

With all the retcons I'd say that it's not that they are making it up as they go, but more like changing it around to fit what they are planning on later.

Which is extremely jarring to me, because if the game itself is unreliable on the lore, then any kind of talk about it will be confusing from the start.

[lunar folio]

I'm telling you, they'll go hard Bethesda, full dragon break eventually. It'll be like trying to understand the warp in the west.

[compact shale]

Wait creature war isn't canon?

[hushed steeple]

Not a war with ancestors anymore. I think creatures still fought in a war though.

[wheat fern]

I didn't understand a single thing, but I agree.

[hushed steeple]

Yeah. Lore chat is always considering what “new version” of the lore we are currently on.

[shut trellis]

Wait, I thought in the vault cutscene, the wasteland mural depicted people fighting creatures? uh i gotta double check now...

[lunar folio]

Basically elder scrolls has this mechanism called a dragon break, where something so big happens that the timeline retcons to fit it.
There was a game where like 5 factions wanted an unbelievably powerful item and the post-game canon is that they all got it at the same time and it purged several areas and pieces of lore from the series.

[wheat fern]

If you think about it, it's like pokemon...... our mom(the light) kicks us out to go on an adventure around the world with no supervision and we need to "catch them all" (winged lights)......

[frozen pivot]

it does seem like it, there were soldiers seemingly marching, and theres huge bones around

[hushed steeple]

Thats meta dude

[lunar folio]

It prepared me well to get special interests about sky lol

[shut trellis]

Thanks, so if they weren't fighting a war creatures, what would they be doing? hunting? or just simple fighting?(fighting itself isn't really simple though)

[wheat fern]

Wait...... we weren't told that everything was on the same plantet....... what if eden is like the sun and each realm a separate "planet" so everything is happening simultaneously. I just made a point that confused even myself, ignore me

[hushed steeple]

Theres two different sets of weapons and shields in wasteland. I think it was a civil war......before krill showed up then they needed to join up and include light creatures to fight darkness.

[lunar folio]

Explains why GW elder initially wants to fight you

[rigid mural]

Apollo giving random people on the internet the gift of prophecy meme.

[frozen pivot]

marching perhaps, patrolling. the murals does show each realm but it doesnt seem to have any events happening, rather it represents wat each realms are. it shows isle and its sheperd, prairie and its pots, etc etc.

[hushed steeple]

Ah yes. The scenic wasteland ribcage. Popular tourist attraction.

[frozen pivot]

i think the reason why of all the realms, gw is heavily armed, is because they dabble with corruption, and when that corruption goes to other things it shouldnt, it makes things hostile

apart from protecting vault's gate ofc

[wheat fern]

The different armors don't necessarily mean war as well, beings that had different jobs may have needed different gear, like how military uniforms now aren't the same as other factions of the military

[shut trellis]

Yeah, get a free ticket to krill land, get prepared to lose winged light!

[hushed steeple]

In the “what was dusk like before the fall” sketch, GW already looks kinda military city. But....well more like a city. Kinda sunken for defenses.

[frozen pivot]

exactly, same goes for the shields, atleast if i understand correctly. different specialization have different equipments

[shut trellis]

....so was there a civil war?

[wheat fern]

Who knows, TGC sure doesn't

[hushed steeple]

Back when they made a noahs ark too.

[frozen pivot]

now as for the spears that pierced shields, i suppose its not only the creatures that the corruption affects drastically

[hushed steeple]

Theres a spear going though a diamond shield right before the krill door. Take from that what you will.

[wheat fern]

Since we've never actually seen what kind of beings the ancestor spirits were, we don't know if darkness corrupts them the same as it does for the crabs, it's pointed out multiple times that skids are fundamentally different from the spirits

[frozen pivot]

we know that ancestors ingesting dark matter affects them one way or another, who knows wat happens if they take in enough or they get infected by its purest form. a bite from a crab or smth

[compact shale]

Yep. Also it's pretty vague whether or not the spirits lived as solid beings. The intro says that they lived "as spirits" so it makes me wonder if Sky is purgatory or something

@frozen pivot But is Slouching Soldier canon?

[hushed steeple]

That brings up a very interesting idea. All the spirits are caked in darkness when you free them. But are not corrupted.......what if.....what if it was only their physical bodies that could become looking corrupt? King was mentally corrupted but we don’t know if his soul stayed looking the same.

[rigid mural]

The spirit core (what you burn to relive their memories) looks and sounds a lot like a dark plant.

[frozen pivot]

could be, could be not. but the appearance of canon characters and them interacting in a way is enough for me to think that he is canon as a character, infact i have a theory for tlp that i still havent finished

[hushed steeple]

Thats one of those contradictions. From that you would think they lived as a race of spirits without ever having bodies......then the switch trailer came to stomp on that.

[shut trellis]

Im not Kitsuu but I think that dark water = alcohol does mean something. Besides, they could have said potions instead but they chose dark water. So maybe just that part. Maybe not.

[frozen pivot]

i mean remember that really cool concept of tsadi getting half corrupted?, he still managed to warn the skids to run iirc

[compact shale]

funnily enough i thought they were gonna make em drink mushroom extract but then that has completely different implications

[wheat fern]

The spirits break free kind of the same as the skids after dying in eden, but before then, we're just shapes covered in darkness..... the darkness could be like rabies if you think about the crabs' behavior........

[rigid mural]

I heard of it a lot but where is it 👀

[frozen pivot]

7 days of concept or watever, buried in news, maybe kamilico has link, probably

[compact shale]

Funny idea: The wasteland factories profited off their sewage when they realized it tasted good. Yay capitalism.

[wheat fern]

• cut to that one drinking spirit in the little prince season *

[frozen pivot]

thats wat i was trying to hint at, darkness by nature is corruptive and chaotic, its so dangerous that even unrefined byproducts of it diluted in water systems still manages to suck light out of us

[wheat fern]

Getcha rabies darkness shot everyone.

[hushed steeple]

AND IM HAPPY TSADI RE-DYING WAS NOT IN THE GAME (though this version prolly didnt die the first time)

[frozen pivot]

in concepts, theres these dark thing that looks like a dark slug, i think thats a dark creature in its purest form, kamilico i call to u again , thx

[hushed steeple]

And these are the sluggies you prolly talkin about. In early versions of LA they would be on statue-ed ancestors backs like nasty little leeches (top right)

[shut trellis]

poor tsadi. they get corrupted, live in a fairly bad realm, and then died. they deserve a hug

[frozen pivot]

he has a very big spoon

[wheat fern]

Did..... I just spend a long time writing a message for it to get deleted right away?.... wot happened there

[hushed steeple]

I bet it pretended you had a slur in there somehow. It does that sometimes. I think?

[shut trellis]

Relatable. Sometimes the censors go woop.
What was it about?
Also i suggest when writing long messages, copy it before you send.

[wheat fern]

It was about how I don't know what winged lights are. Like, the spirits never mention them or interact with them, so it makes me think that they came AFTER the world apocalypse stuff, but then again, spirits and skids are fundamentally different, so the spirits may have used the winged lights as a sort of battery instead. Are they just highly concentrated light? (Copied it this time)

[frozen pivot]

let me enlighten you

[wheat fern]

Nice pun (rip slowmode)
Imagine plugging a winged light into a boat to charge it, lol

[frozen pivot]

welp i still cant remember the important ones so the general idea is, theyre imprints. an old qna dev quote i still believe makes sense

[wheat fern]

Skykids playing hide'n'seek in the valley tunnels be like:

[shut trellis]

Skykids' eyes are like light daggers lol

[wheat fern]

We see all ⚪ ⚪

[compact shale]

If skykids were to theoretically eat a dark crab they'd need wash off the dark dust and cook it to a high temperature to burn the darkness

Food poisoning in Sky

[icy spruce]

ye ig

[wheat fern]

Crabs on a spit in GW have no darkness..... they've been washed well

[compact shale]

nice

[icy spruce]

yeah

[wheat fern]

TGC is our little punching bag, lol

[frozen pivot]

like i said winged lights are imprints. we have one in us but for spirits, its pretty much a collectable token only the cool kids get to have, or when they win the lottery every 2 weeks and get to go back down to get theirs

[compact shale]

What's an imprint?

[icy spruce]

uhhh, stamp

[frozen pivot]

say, ur father and ur mother, u have their imprint

[compact shale]

Winged light is an imprint of what? Alef's soul?

[icy spruce]

Prolly

[frozen pivot]

an imprint of something thats for sure, whether its the light, the king's, the prince's, doesnt matter really because we dont know for sure either

[compact shale]

Winged light is one of the most enigmatic, if not the most enigmatic thing in Sky

-No one can be sure if winged light is depicted in murals
-It's only mentioned in the tutorial, not in any actual spirit dialogue
-There was a time when it didn't exist in Light Awaits (Eden took away your emotes instead)

[frozen pivot]

all we know is that only our version of skids have it, that makes us special among the first ones, only evidence i have for it really is that because of it, were able to not get trapped in eden, and ultimately end up the same as the first ones

[compact shale]

Wait there were other versions of skids?

[frozen pivot]

i like to tihkn that were different from the eden statues, hence i call them the first ones or skid 1.0 and us as skid 2.0, respectively

[compact shale]

Ohhh

I've also thought about the "shiny boiiiis named after your friends in Orbit" thing

idk if it's important to lore or not

[frozen pivot]

im too sleep deprived to be recollecting my old crackpot theories, but basically yeah, u can call them that. but not in the sense of winged lights because winged lights doesnt have wings. its called like that because of its shape when u collect them

wat u see in orbit flying around holding hands are either skids 1.0 or the skids 2.0 that u befriended along the way and the ones uve yet to befriend

if u can collect ur friend and turn them into a wisp of light and absorb them for more exp and light wedge container, then sure

[compact shale]

That's not what I was thinking

I was thinking more of like "all my friends died so I go save them" which is why you see those shinies in orbit

[frozen pivot]

by orbit u mean the flying thing with the spirits right?

[compact shale]

yeah

[frozen pivot]

oh then, its not that they died and u go save them, its that u go with them to save the eden statues with them and die with them and then eventually ascend with them along the with eden statues. atleast thats wat my headcanon is, 1 journey

in any case, i refuse to consider eden statues the same as us, too bald and shiny to be like us, turns into ascended candles too, imagine if we can melt our bodies into ascended candles like them

[compact shale]

HAHAHAHAHA

No wonder the fan-created elder ground up skykids

[lofty void]

H U H ?

[icy spruce]

Mem.

[lofty void]

ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT M—

[compact shale]

Mlem.

[lofty void]

[lofty void]

M E M???

[icy spruce]

m e m

[compact shale]

m l e m

[icy spruce]

mlemr

[lofty void]

lmem

[harsh pecan]

Lol

[stuck zealot]

There an archive so I can see the lore stuff?

[hushed steeple]

[icy spruce]

fisch

[harsh pecan]

All of the theories? Yes

[stuck zealot]

Is there a link?

[icy spruce]

Well, old theories (2020 - March 2021?) but ye

new theories aren’t archived

[harsh pecan]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-SOY_5WrhQ2ftVZEM9VMBsz92-n_53kBzQoHKmY2-24/edit#heading=h.d4h04kd9pqqt

[icy spruce]

we should make a new doc with the new theories

I mean, not a lot of people uses the Theory Bault

[compact shale]

We need a seasonal theory vault

edit: i mean for newer seasons the lorechat doesn't cover anything post-prophecy

[harsh pecan]

Yea

[rigid mural]

I'd be down to help, after I'm done with that valley map

[torn swallow]

Forest elder sent the diamond rock thing to vault elder as a present. im sorry i ship them too much i just thing they'd be really cute together

[icy spruce]

but aren’t they related?

[compact shale]

Wait what?

[compact shale]

Wait these elders are fallen stars right? How do relations work?

[lofty void]

Fallen stars is a metaphor… i think

[compact shale]

A metaphor? Why?

[icy spruce]

Prolly metaphor for falling from grace thing

[compact shale]

What proves that "fallen stars" CAN'T have been literal?

[lofty void]

Skykids are actual fallen stars

[compact shale]

Yeah.

Are the elders fallen angels or something?

[full sorrel]

elders are not fallen stars, they’re stars at space and they’re the one who throws skykids from space as fallen stars ✨

[compact shale]

Wait what? It's the elders? And not the Megabird? Hueh?!

[icy spruce]

Stars are actually ancestors

Elders are prolly constellations

[compact shale]

Elders are entire constellations? Wow

Maybe they look like that because they're drained of their stars and all their stars are running around freely as ancestors

[lofty totem]

Ye same goes for us we can also make a constellation like the freind constellation

If we could also make one that means we’re stars

[compact shale]

We must be pretty powerful stars :0

[harsh pecan]

WAIT WHAT

[icy spruce]

Ye

[shut trellis]

THEY ARE WHAT. Where is that? The canon lore doc????

[icy spruce]

Ye

[shut trellis]

Aww thats cool. But to be honest, I never thought that the two masks looked alike.

[icy spruce]

same

[shut trellis]

The friend constellation, favorites at least, is the king's constellation.
assuming the king is a skykid, it makes sense for their constellation to have skykids and not spirits.

[lofty totem]

Well there is a thoery on the skid that we’re just parts of the king but I can’t say it fully because of slowmode

[shut trellis]

Yeah. There's a theory for everything, ngl

[jaunty tapir]

You posted this in #screenshots-and-videos too. I'm not sure what you want to happen but it's not sky-related.

[upbeat rampart]

In the sparkler parent area! Sorry for the delayed response, life

[hushed steeple]

Just a little theory.
Well, two.

First, what if the trials are a sort of retelling of how the King gained all the elements? His journey to get them I mean.

Second, are we technically as good as Resh? We do complete the trials, where a many other die. As evident by the trial murals.

[hushed steeple]

Is okay
And thanks!

[rain lance]

"Indifferent" spotted 😆

[compact shale]

Emo rain spotted

@hushed steeple

1. Interesting, though I wonder what bringing them to Eden is for... does alchemical magic only work in Eden or something? Did Resh want to do alchemical magicks? (ok that's off the rails but idk)
2. Probably not, we just have more endurance/power of light so we can get back up even if we fall down. Or maybe Resh had it too, which explains how he passed.

[hushed steeple]

1. In the murals, he gave the elements to the elders. I’m assuming to harness the elements. That’s completely a guess tho

2. To be fair though, we do technically do everything he does

[compact shale]

Imagine if he was auditioning in the trials with everyone else, and the others are like "yo bro did he just teleport back in after falling to his death"

[hushed steeple]

The others died

[compact shale]

Either Resh is absurdly athletic, or as a fallen star, they have a revive ability like we do in the trials (send back to checkpoint)

[hushed steeple]

If only we could see him, cri

[rain lance]

I think huge golden beads thingies in Sanctuary islands are parts of bells seen in daylight praerie and forest. Those bell towers were used to attract
light creatures (mantas). Also those bells seems to accumulate light and are basically "energy stations" for sky kingdom

[hushed steeple]

Although if he were a fallen star / sky kid he would be alive wouldn’t we? We never even find the guy

I also feel like the trials are a sort of retelling of how he got the elements because you can actually see the mountain in the first trial. But, who knows.

[compact shale]

he is

Not around to be saved

wuuuuuuuuuuu~~~

[hushed steeple]

Resh got beaned

[compact shale]

He WAS alive... but then darkness go HFASDFYER9PHERNLEKFDFDFDGHDS

[rain lance]

I think we'll never see him again

[hushed steeple]

I think he’ll come back,
It would be a perfect final season to find him Yknow

[compact shale]

You know who still has a chance to be seen? The narrator of the intro.

[hushed steeple]

Resh could be the narrator. There’s a lot of evidence he was betrayed by the elders

[rain lance]

or main character is a king given chance to reincarnate and fix what the hell he'd done

[compact shale]

Huh. In that case we won't see them. BUT a hint as to who the narrator is is GAME-CHANGING

[hushed steeple]

I never noticed how actually terrifying the trials looked

[rain lance]

so...it means King snatched a chunk of Megabird, put it inside clay golem body and live golem(sky kid) to do sky kids' thing?

[compact shale]

That sounds brutal, but maybe? The intro's been retconned quite a few times so it's kinda hard to tell

[rain lance]

they...always had been..

[hushed steeple]

I kinda enjoy how prevalent the darkness is during the trials. Like a void, trying to consume at every single slip up

[compact shale]

though imagine you were literally just birthed from the sky and now some old dude's making you go through the wraths of the elements (drowning in ice-cold water, falling to your death, falling to your death again but with wind, and getting strangled by shadow worms)

Even with revive ability a child like alef would definitely feel angered/frustrated/confused right?

[rain lance]

and regarding trials...my head cannon was that the "chosen one" who passed "Trial of drowning", " Trial of sloppiness ", " Trial of dark fluffy flying thingies " and "Trial of PAIN" is traumatized enough and no longer afraid anything...so they're qualified to become next Eden elder and do "saving lost souls" thing

[hushed steeple]

Maybe. But that would mean Alef was the first skykid wouldn’t it

[compact shale]

Yeah ig, still a common theory tho

[hushed steeple]

Here’s a bigger question:
The trials choose who’s king.
Is Alef is the first, ever? Or just part of a lineage of many kings

[compact shale]

dunno, we don't see murals of any other kings...

but who hecking knows, right?

[hushed steeple]

Dunno

It would be amazing if the trials were how Resh viewed them though. Would really show what he went through

[rain lance]

also regarding Elders. Who they are? Local gods who were worshipped by people (spirits) of their realm or just mere "town mayors" of realms?

[compact shale]

I think that would be psychologically horrific enough to give Sky a mature rating

[hushed steeple]

True h

Something I wanna discuss is, well, this.

Every other trial is nature like, but this is- not?

[compact shale]

is Fire trial nature-like?

[tulip aspen]

i dont see whatever they took to write the new intro as canon, the og one was actually surprisingly self explanatory

[hushed steeple]

Fire is naturally appearing in nature so ye

[compact shale]

2019 vs 2021 intro

2019 - With the stars united, our light was infinite. But darkness came, and the stars fell...Together the fallen stars made a new home in the clouds. If only they had listened... A long time has passed. Now, I call to you. Wake up, child. Bring our lost stars home.

2021 - The spirits of this realm have long awaited your arrival... ...and your light. "With the stars united, our light was infinite... ...and together, we lived in harmony. As spirits, we soon became many...creating our home here in the clouds. But darkness came and the stars fell... ...and with their light we faded away. A long time has passed. Now we call to you. Go forth, child. Return our spirits to the stars." Draw near, so we may start you on the journey... At last, child...you are ready. Begin by answering the temple's call. --> Spirits once lit the skies and connected our realms... ...in temples, our elders would usher them skyward. But now...their light is lost. Awaken the spirits still lost in this realm to proceed. --> Other Elders wait in distant temples to be awakened. Restore them, child, and we will wait for you in the light.

[hushed steeple]

I do be preferring that 2021 intro

[compact shale]

Yeah the 2019 one had some big leaps in gaps lol

Though something still confused me

"As spirits, we became many" implies that they established the civilization as SPIRITS, not some solid-bodied entity

But the Switch trailer shows the ancestors with solid bodies in the Sky kingdom

what happened

[tulip aspen]

more words doesn't necessarily make sense

fruity, the spirits wording was just bad writing on their part

[hushed steeple]

Well even more confusing,
Sky kids are a sub species of the spirits

[compact shale]

Wait

the new intro implies that?

[tulip aspen]

see look at this
what
you guys

it just leaves even more mess up to more messy interpretations

this isnt fnaf

[hushed steeple]

Naw, it was something confirmed a while back. That’s what I heard anyways

[compact shale]

send link :0

[tulip aspen]

what were the gaps?
it is late for me maybe im just going stircrazy

[hushed steeple]

Unfortunately I heard it from a few other people. I can’t remember who, so you’ll have to ask around or look it up

I’ll just ask general chat

[compact shale]

Filled gap:

2019 - With the stars united, our light was infinite. But darkness came, and the stars fell...

2021 - "With the stars united, our light was infinite... ...and together, we lived in harmony. As spirits, we soon became many...creating our home here in the clouds. But darkness came and the stars fell...

Wait a minute the 2021 intro was indeed quite a retcon

the 2019 intro says that the spirits made a home in the clouds AFTER the stars fell, but the 2021 intro says they did it before

[hushed steeple]

There also used to be a more detailed explaination of this stuff in the beta version right? Where it mentioned some prophecy, what was it?

[compact shale]

The messages after this intro have transcriptions of every single intro #lore-discussion-spoilers message

Idk if the Light Awaits intros are still canon tho, and like I said there's a contradiction between 2019 intro and 2021 intro so that might need to be addressed

[hushed steeple]

Mm, it's changed a lot

[neat flint]

The wind paths be wasteland 2.0

[compact shale]

TGC can't just outright confirm all the concept art released as canon/noncanon all at once, they can and will recover some aspects to be used for future content

Like this season

[tulip aspen]

"with the stars united"
im pretty sure they meant the literal terminology of Stars in og Sky, the CotL

the CotL are the people who created this kingdom, but clearly they grew up and took earthen forms

the spirits are their souls released from their shellish forms

so then
"darkness came, and the stars fell"
they fell from the Sky, and created this kingdom, and the Sky (megabird?) didnt approve, and either by the Sky's judgement, or their own destruction not listening to the Sky to return to it, they perish
darkness was just the material world and it's pleasures and utilities

that was my instant interpretation of that line

"our light was infinite"
okay yes, that's pretty corny, a lot of lines from both version or corny and are only there to add fluff, we have to differentiate what's fluff and what's not

"we built our kingdom in the clouds"
okay yes this good, this is solid, so let's remix this a bit

"With the stars united, our light was infinite. But darkness came, and the stars fell.... Together the fallen stars made a new home in the clouds. If only they had listened. (To my warnings.) [It should show the kingdom being covered in heavy clouds, just like the og] And with their light we faded away. ("We" could be that this is the elders or the Sky talking; whoever it is it needs them to thrive, to be believed in.) A long time has passed. Now we call to you. Go forth, child. Return our spirits to the stars. (The souls of our people back to the Sky where they belong)

[compact shale]

Did you just merge the 2 intros together

[tulip aspen]

.
But yes fruity, the extra stuff about the spirits is important, because it teach us the Elders are worshipped because they can bring the spirits back to the Sky.
My thoughts on this is that it can't be easy; these people live and have built kingdoms, surely they must need to go through some kind of enlightenment and find fulfillment and be okay with how they lived, in order to die fruitfully, and be returned to the Sky within the Elder's court.
So the peopl live and coexist, trying to become enlightened enough for the Elder to free them of their shells and return them home.
But the spirits we see throughout the realms... clearly they never made it.
They were ongoingly living their lives when disaster struck.
"If only they had listened...."
Whatever the crystal at Eden is, it shattered the shells of every spirit in the kingdom, and they became trapped where they were, locked in an endless cycle, unable to become enlightened. It takes the skykid, the new CotL, to help them remember and appreciate their lives, appreciate the emotions that happened, that made them real.
Only then that you helped them look back, that they can return to the temple, and be sent home be the Elder.

[compact shale]

Which part teaches us about the elders being worshipped specifically? I didn't catch it

[tulip aspen]

"in temples, our elders would usher them skywards"
that sentence, that line alone, allows me to create this paragraph, that i believe, is canon

[compact shale]

Wait what? OHhhhhh, I see...

It seems that something is also holding the elders back, which is why we have to give them FIRE... but what is it?

[tulip aspen]

good point...
well
it says that "And with their light we faded away"
I was confused about who the "we" was
It had to be either the Sky or the Elders
but this voice talks about the Elders, so it has to be the Sky, which means... the Sky needs help too.
Perhaps the opening in the atmosphere up to orbit all creatures escape from at the end of the game, is what that light is the Elders shoot up into the sky
after all, we can't ascend past eden without freeing all Elders

[compact shale]

The Sky? What is The Sky? Borb?

[tulip aspen]

This leans more towards headcanon, but the imagery in orbit makes me fairly confident to say, the Sky is all Light up in space.
It's every living Light creature, in perfect harmony, breathing and dancing as one in a perpetual circle of fire.
Perhaps there is some entity that controls the Sky, but I dont think we need to find out that to explain the base game.
(sorry megabird maybe next time)

[compact shale]

Megabird? Is megabird gonna come in to your theory? because I like the way this is going so far

[tulip aspen]

The Sky, Orbit, it's all the same
It's just the universe, the magic that breathes life into beings of light and spits these beings out into the world so that they can enjoy the wonders of existing.

[compact shale]

Daww... how nice. I've had some darker theories about Megabird, but let's not ruin the mood now :D

Don't worry Xylo. Those theories have always deserved to burn in hell from the start they suck lol

[tulip aspen]

So to recap.
The Sky exists as we see it while ascending to Orbit.
The Stars (CotL) fall, and they embrace the Earth and gain shells, becoming the beings we see in the Nintendo trailer. [Sky kids (and the beings spirits were before they died) are canonically made of clay]
These beings live happily building a kingdom, but they weren't supposed to stay there forever and live as Earthen creatures forever.
The Elders are supposed to guide them towards enlightenment. When these beings felt fulfilled, the Elders would help them become free of their shell and return to the Sky.

But the beings had become too content with their kingdom to return home. They chose power and expansion over enlightenment, and the Sky tried to warn them they would all destroy each other in the process.
There are wars and conflicts over power, but in the end the King reigns supreme. Yet something goes wrong with his superweapon, and whether it was the Sky's doing or King's or just and accident, it spreads a new darkness over the clouds, shattering the shell of every one of these beings no matter where they were in the kingdom, leaving them trapped as spirits with no way of obtaining enlightenment and returning home.

A long time passes, and the Sky cannot bear to see it's abandoned Stars suffer. It sent them new CotL (us) to help them remember their lives and find what made their lives have meaning.
We cannot be corrupted like they can, because we live their memories too, and we gain all of their experiences, becoming powerfully and beautifully enlightened, so that our Light never grows dim, and we can share that Light with the Elders, who channel that light to create a pathway for all Light to ascend back to Orbit by, just above Eden.

.
Does that really only sound like a theory fruity? I thought I was explaining the introduction to the game really well, not making a headcanon /:
rip

[compact shale]

What? Well yes, it's a theory, ranks higher than a headcanon!

[tulip aspen]

how is it only a theory tho
thats exactly what the lines in the intro say happen

stars fall, make stuff
[they are confirmed to have clay bodies, that's where the earthen shell thing comes from]

sky say stuff bad, stuff bad

spirits now trapped

elders supposed to help spirits ascend

[compact shale]

Well, it's a good theory, but considering the way TGC handles lore, it won't be explicitly confirmed as canon, so while it is a very good theory, it probably won't be canonized or anything.

[tulip aspen]

but thats exactly what the canon says
it's right there between both versions of isle

[compact shale]

Oh, oh, I see.

Well thank you for the Ted talk then! We just have to make sure this makes it into the theory vault...

[tulip aspen]

oh it wont
no one wants to hear my rants xD
anyways, tell me about your evil megabird idea

didnt you already tell me this? i think it was that megabird is a ruthless uncaring God thing that just doesnt give a darn

[compact shale]

Hm. I wouldn't say ruthless. Though like I said, it's gonna burn in hell for being a bad theory so...

[tulip aspen]

the only ideas that "burn in hell" are revoltingly creepy crap, and i dont mean cool creepy like horror or macabre

ur okay for having ideas fruity, it's always brought a joy to cozy and i to have your imagination

[compact shale]

https://tenor.com/view/sopita-de-fideo-noodle-soup-mexican-noodles-gif-15167113

[tulip aspen]

what

[icy spruce]

I can’t find the part where it’s confirmed they have clay bodies, tho I found that skids’ masks are made of stone

[tulip aspen]

unfortunately im being evil like many others here and have no link for you, ive just heard it a few times a dev confirmed it

IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD KNOW??? KNOW?? KNOW? know? know?

thanks echo i get it no one's here

[compact shale]

Wait I think there's a canon lore doc, though who knows when it's been last updated

HERE https://docs.google.com/document/d/10ZWJRGiJSrIXgDvJ4pST61moZbVB_hBExUjOaF-pmOE/edit

[icy spruce]

prolly clay-like, I kean if it was clay then skids would break almost instantly

/hj /plsdontkrillme

And ye, sadly canon lore doc is outdated so we need a new canon doc (and the person who owns the doc doesn’t go here in lore chat)

[compact shale]

"I mean, hardened clay has a nasty reputation of shattering into a million pieces, each of which has the potential to gouge out a poor shmuck's eye"

-Fruity 2021

[compact shale]

Yeah, we need a new canon lore updater

Though I can't access version history so I have no idea how often it's getting updated

[icy spruce]

Last updated was somehwere 2020, because there were no new changes that I have noticed this year

[compact shale]

ouch... that might need to be updated for some of the newer livestreams

I'm not volunteering tho

[tulip aspen]

yeah im not able to watch all the different livestreams to pick out a 5 second clips of them being like "oh yeah so you're actually God"

[icy spruce]

Yeah, I wish they have a livestream dedicated to lore

So it’ll be easier to gather the infos

[compact shale]

And what if the dev confirms are actually drunk dev confirms or sleepy dev confirms

You can't trust either of those

[tulip aspen]

i dont think theyd allow a dev to walk into the studio drunk then do a livestream
they have NDAs to protect

[compact shale]

Probably not, but they can allow sleepy devs in

[compact shale]

Imagine if the next stream had

"oh yeah, the narrator of the intro is *conks into desk"

[icy spruce]

“megabirb is actually fried chicken hehehe”

[jovial sail]

OH GOD KRILL SEEPING INTO WINDPATHS

[compact shale]

I gotta go it's getting spoilery

[hushed steeple]

lmao thats the point of this tchat 😭

[jovial sail]

THE SECOND WAVE OF THE CORRUPTION HAS BEGUN FIRST THE WASTELAND THEN EDEN NOW THIS

[icy spruce]

prolly haven’t played the quest

[fringe cliff]

Though if we can get a path to Eden that allows us to skip some part ...

[jovial sail]

the cresent moon over eden should have been a warning sign

the darkness had awoken

[floral grove]

It would be funny if everytime our skid turns into a pancake after crashing into something while flying. Though if they really are made of clay, wouldn't that make them very fragile like that of clay pots? All of that exposure to open flames will surely harden their (soft?) clay bodies

Or is this a similar case to the belief that humans were sculpted from clay (so technically clay creatures) that soon enough turned into a being of flesh?

Tbh anything is possible especially in a fantasy setting like Sky but if skids really are clay then they must be really strong not to get deformed when slamming into walls nor shatter to pieces when hit by Krills

[harsh pecan]

Woah cool theory

[upbeat rampart]

It's also surprisingly given that it's Earth trial and when you light the candles up, there was actually grasses.

[icy spruce]

Oh hi Light, long time no see

[ancient turtle]

Hey I know I’m showing up outta nowhere but what do we think is happening currently in the season of flight? Are all these events memories of the spirits like is usually the case or is this a separate instance where now we are having direct interactions with the spirits?

I’ve honestly been so interested and seeing how the new quest played out I am floored at the logistics of this. Is it history repeating or are we watching the history happen?

[hushed steeple]

It kind of tracks with how I view the seasons: slices of life, like "Meanwhile, in this region of Sky…"

What I noticed about the current quest is this:

1. Eden music with the quest
2. A krill's searchlight
3. Fallen structures along the wind paths

The end of the trailer has happened

[compact shale]

Slice of life Sky lol

srlsy tho every season deserves its sitcom

[tulip aspen]

thanks
its not really a theory guys, that's literally what the voice says--

[harsh pecan]

Idk I havent done the quests, but I’m pretty sure we’re just doing errands for the spirits

[compact shale]

All we need to complete the story is: Reveal the voice to us, TGC

I dare you

[harsh pecan]

Mhm

[jaunty tapir]

Well yes i guess but today's new quest is pretty ominous

[compact shale]

Maybe we're completing the errands so that they don't regret not completing the errands and they can feel better

Sometimes ghosts don't want to kill you

[jaunty tapir]

Same question tbh. Flight guide said that they were looking for someone like us...

I do like the theory that we're accomplishing the wishes they weren't able to do when they were alive.

[harsh pecan]

Yea

[compact shale]

Maybe Flight Guide's final wish was "I need a new worker, maintaining the paths gets harder every day- *gets krilled"

Final wishes for each season:

Gratitude: \_(o-o)/
Lightseekers: "Don't let the light fade away...!"
Belonging: "Our family reunion WILL happen! We can't let a storm stop us! Stay strong, everyone...!"
Rhythm: \_(o-o)/
Enchantment: "Can the lights come back to us? Will the lights come back to us? They're very important... We don't want them to fade away..."
Sanctuary: "We didn't get to make the most of our days, did we...?"
Prophecy: "How can we live with the regret of the ones who have died to these trials?" / "How can we live with the fact that we chose the wrong ruler?"
Dreams: "This performance was great... it would be even greater if I had a friend to perform with..."
Assembly: "Gah, the rain's getting harder... will we be able to finish the repairs in time?"
Flight: "We need help... maintaining the wind paths gets harder and harder every day..."

[rigid mural]

All spoilers here on this message are current quest spoilers. Maybe play through it before opening them !

I knew this chat would be on fire the moment I finished the quest ||and things DIDN'T go back to normal||.
That was really great tho, more to explore.
||Anyway someone mentioned the windpath could have helped darkness spread everywhere and I gotta agree, people melt them right away but with those dark plants growing on the rocks...||

[tulip aspen]

***its the Sky **

[compact shale]

THE INTRO SAID THAT TOO?! :

[tulip aspen]

this is amazing, thank you so much
it fits perfectly into my tHeOrY

rly tho

{also no it diddntt im jokiing
that was one of the only things i was really theorizing about, the Sky is the only thing that could ask you to help their elder return their spirits back to them, so yes, it does kinda say that}

[compact shale]

Can you help me determine the final wishes of Gratitude and Rhythm? Gratitude has even less depth than Sanctuary and Rhythm is... what

[rigid mural]

Rythm has you reunite entertainers that got separated.

[compact shale]

Ohhhhh. ok. By what lol

Rhythm: "It's a shame that we couldn't get back together for one last performance."

what about gratitude LOL

[tulip aspen]

"The lighseekers had to stand above the realms and watch everyone lose hope.
Belonging never made it past the storm
The Rhythm team never met again and spent their lives regretting walking away.
Enchantment never had the powers to actually restore the ark as a home.
Sanctuary never uncovered the secrets of the bells.
The prophets sat in that place forever just regretting what had happened.
The girl may have gotten what she wanted, but in the end she was still so lonely, and her village couldnt help her overcome that even though she was their shining star.
The scouts never finished their dream treehouse; the storm blew it all down anyways."

its not exactly about last wishes, but combatting old regrets of theirs that they all shared at death

[compact shale]

I know the theories about what the trials are for but considering that the prophets remember their lil antics it's possible that they regret them dying

[tulip aspen]

i mean, the trials happen in your mind
unless you're suggesting if they die in the matrix they keel over in real life too ':v

[rigid mural]

The wall paintings suggest they are asleep or comatose.

[tulip aspen]

perhaps that's them meditating? wait, which walls, can i have pics pls sry n thanku 😅

[compact shale]

how do we know the trials happen in your mind?

@rigid mural Underneath the Trial of Water... there is a thick layer of permafrost. You may regret trying to chip away at it, for there are some concerning things under there.

[rigid mural]

Do you meditate by lying down ?

[tulip aspen]

you meditate to get to them
that's a verifiable thing

@rigid mural ikik idk what i said what are these drawings of ppl lying down?

also fruity you scare me so much

[rigid mural]

Wait, trial of water oob ???

@tulip aspen the figures certainly aren't standing up.

[compact shale]

What? Not like the permafrost contains probably-not-dead ancestors or anything!

Chesca what do you mean 10? 1001? what?

[tulip aspen]

yeah, thats cos its all in your mind-

[icy spruce]

1001 percent 👍

[compact shale]

When you think about it, Alef had a weird and probably harrowing childhood.

Imagine falling from the Sky and the first two ancestors who find you decide to send you to this old man. And then the old man says that you might be the chosen one, but you have no idea. Then you get sent to these places that makes you experience the wrath of the elements. But it's in your head. And because it's all in your head no one listens when you say you want to get out. But you have to go through it. And somehow, unlike the others, you just keep reviving. To continue the torment.

Man.

[icy spruce]

Ye, I mean he was thrown to the trials after he fell down

[tulip aspen]

wait okay im sorry im so out of the loop

is alef the sky prince
(I dont like u for making me clarify, Tgc)

[icy spruce]

Ye

Concept name to be exact

[tulip aspen]

Why do we think the CotL the stargazer finds gets sent to the trials, and why do we think he's the prince?
is there actual material or is this some widely accept metahead

[compact shale]

Due to a certain mural in Isle. Let me try to find it.

[icy spruce]

Cause he fell and he looks like the guy from the one in limbo

And the one in limbo is prolly prince

And it’s a widely accepted theory, not canon

Yes, limbo is canon

[tulip aspen]

i didnt know we were using limbo to determine canon
wait what
did tgc make limbo?
whats going on

que????
to sky????????

[rigid mural]

Trial murals represent a glowing prodigy. Both characters glowing lead most to link the two, esp since stargazer's memory was changed into its current one during Prophecy.

[slate saffron]

ALL HAIL THE KING IN LIMBO he's just super cool

[tulip aspen]

okay this is blowing my mind
can yall explain or link the theory?

[compact shale]

GUYS IM HAVING A HARD TIME FINDING STARGAZER'S MURAL HELP

[slate saffron]

Resh my beloved

[icy spruce]

*our

*everyone’s

[rigid mural]

This ?

[compact shale]

ok, here's the mural for "Alef getting shipped off to trials"

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[tulip aspen]

yeah he didnt pique my interest either, and even if the fact limbo is canon does pique my interest now, its definitely not my type of theory to get into if you know what i mean

[compact shale]

Fair enough. There are a lot of other lore topics I like better than Alef/Resh topics.

Like light types.

[icy spruce]

I don’t have a favorite lore topic

Also, the Elders are in limbo

[tulip aspen]

this is awesome

[tulip aspen]

and as fruity knows id rather improve the game

okay wait
come again
they're in the game limbo???

[compact shale]

Yeah, I'm guessing as a liaison, Reject's first instinct is not "give care to the child" but "see what Isle Elder thinks"

[tulip aspen]

do you know where it can be found in game?

[icy spruce]

I don’t get the * but ye, they’re in limbo

We meet them in limbo at the cutscenes and sorry for the ping

[compact shale]

I think it's an Isle cave mural. Don't ask me for the exact coordinates.

[icy spruce]

Ye, Proph cave mural prolly near the water trial mural? Idk, I forgot

[tulip aspen]

oh okay its inside prophecy gotcha

[compact shale]

Ohhhh ok...

Poor Alef

[icy spruce]

Ye

[rigid mural]

These 3 depict dawn and its elder.

[compact shale]

You know what I find ridiculous? How krills are depicted in murals. All of the other stuff is a bunch of sticks n lines and swirls but the krill is this whole filled-in shape.

You'd think it would be a krillstick but nonono lol.

[rigid mural]

Wait so if krills are corrupted creatures, then they predate what wiped out the ancestors by enough for the Prophecy to happen.

[compact shale]

Either that, or the mural itself is a prophecy- i.e. created BEFORE the krills. The mural predicts the krills? Idk

but still why do krills get the best rendering

[rigid mural]

Which means the corruption likely wasn't a sudden explosion, but a gradual process that could have heralded a final cataclysm... or a slow death.

[compact shale]

Or both. It exploded in Eden, then gradually processed through the rest of the realms. At least, that's what I think.

[icy spruce]

because krills are the best creatures

the fish whale and the whurtles are still superior tho

[rigid mural]

The krill is accurate enough for me to say those that saw the Prophecy coming knew what they were. I bet they had references.

[sharp lichen]

Probably. Personally, I predict Prophecy to be ancient.

[tulip aspen]

omg ur amazing

[icy spruce]

Where are my 400 hearts

[compact shale]

Yeah, the krill's art style is pretty jarring. Maybe it's for contrast but it looks kinda absurd how well-rendered it is compared to everything else. Like how strange this steak looks in this picture.

[rigid mural]

I have like, screenshots of all the murals in isle. I should put them in a doc.

[sharp lichen]

I did a photoshoot myself, but they’re not very good. Please do this!

[tulip aspen]

okay
guys
technically
there's no way to say the skid they find in stargazers memory is alef

it's just showing she and voyager basically..... collected fallen skids and forced them to do that

alef is only one of dozens maybe hundreds she collected to be put thru that

also
oh no
guys
guys
guys.....
i have a new theory

we dont know what happened to all the sky kids who failed the trials right...?

what are the winged light then........
paralyzed....
dumbstruck....
wishing they were back up in the Sky, and not forced to bear witness to the pain of reality....

@compact shale
i did a you and i dont personally like it

[compact shale]

... fair enough I don't really know what the winged light are...

some say it's Alef's soul fragments but that sounds... horcrux-y, if you know what I mean

[rigid mural]

Considering stargazer's memory wasn't always this (they used to just look around at wall paintings until the Prophecy season changed their spirit memory), there's sturdy enough ground for the stargazer's fallen child = glowing Prophecy prodigy theory.

[icy spruce]

I just hdcanon that they’re the souls/blessings of the other ancestors that didn’t make it (since ancestors gives us WLs)

[tulip aspen]

hmm that sounds interesting too

id like to think they were simply all just wrong and alef was a bad choice, and ended up cruel and made the entire kingdom pay the ultimate price once he became king

[compact shale]

Same

Like I said maybe Prophecy's final wish was to heal from the regret of killing children and/or choosing Alef

[tulip aspen]

no yeah it's tied to it im just saying that the stargazer memory shows the concept of them forcing skids to take on the trials

but yes ONE of those skids ended up not permanently damaged and actually survived them

damn the trials is getting all maze runner-y rn

this is so cool

[rigid mural]

and them do look pretty confused some kid just fell out of the sky (and that's adorable)
If they knew what they were doing, they would have acted differently imo, but this is mostly my interpretation.

[compact shale]

Yeah imagine if Alef was driving insane from the trials, and they pleaded for the prophets to let them go, but they refused, and they slowly built up a hatred for the ancestors

It should've been a red flag for the prophets but nooooooo

[icy spruce]

I love angst

[tulip aspen]

I'm enjoying this so much
i can appreciate these theories much more when they're actually borderline canon, just like my intro explanation

[lofty void]

i love angst but this us too much

[compact shale]

Same

the last time I brought up Prophecy's regrets it didn't work because there were king propagandists around

[tulip aspen]

yeahh tbh i find it annoying when people are deadset on saying the kind and the prince are 1000% diff people

this stuff basically confirms it
and it's all ACTUALLY borderline canon @_@

okay okay but guys
how does limbo tie into any of this
can someone show me where exactly you see the elders from sky in limbo

[compact shale]

um

what is limbo?

[icy spruce]

Limbo is between life and death

And when we’ve aready seen limbo, in the elders’ cutscenes and the dark place with wax boy

[tulip aspen]

hmm
i thought it was moreso like a metaphysical kinda spirit world / mindscape type thing

the elders may have died but they permanently exist in limbo then

and the trials are in limbo too, but molded and shaped by the prophet's powers?

isnt home technically our limbo? we're retreating into the safety of our minds with our friends around us

[compact shale]

Ohhh. the void place. Ok.

(btw jam beans what confirms the prince and king being the same? the mechsuit thing?)

[icy spruce]

Well, it’s implied that they’re the same person but not canon (it’s just most likely)

But I agree to them being the same person, makes sense imo

[tulip aspen]

i think whoever said it before is right
the story the cave of prophecy depicts of alef getting chosen is an ancient story of the kingdom, and decades have since past, maybe a hundred years

my headcanon (not rly a theory, no strong evidence yet) is alef did become king, and then becomes corrupt during the wars
(he may have always been corrupt)

[icy spruce]

The Alef became King and corrupted is a widely accepted theory lmao

• the pressure of being the King of Sky (bonus point: he’s a child) @compact shale

[tulip aspen]

see?
it makes a lot of sense

@compact shale we have no way to prove that, but it would be good writing

[compact shale]

Ohhh. Wow. Maybe not born corrupt, but like I said, maybe the trials fricked them up beyond repair.

[shut trellis]

In the concepts theres stuff to say that. In the live game, eh, not so much. In an old concept im pretty sure it said that the prince was crowned king and in an eden concept, i think the prince was inside the king? also since the murals .. yeah

[tulip aspen]

yeah p sure they're corrupted light dragons lol

[compact shale]

That makes me wonder... those guys in the switch trailer became krills right? Their eye was used as a headlight, but what would it do to skykids? idk, just curious

[tulip aspen]

yes
from choosing alef, the clouds grew heavier and darkness fell, and eventually a corruption spread

[compact shale]

I guess the prophets didn't realize it at the time

Like when they made the prophecy it was like

"umm what's this spiky well-rendered blob of glowing ink?"
"idk"

[tulip aspen]

definitely
i have a headcanon that the explosion obliterated eden and one side of the mountain , while creating a piercing shockwave that cracked the shells of all the beings living in the kingdom, turning them into spirits

another concept that i could leave separate or mix with the aforementioned, is that maybe it was like radioactive fallout

the air throughout the entire kingdom was acidic for a long time

[tulip aspen]

or they just felt they had to draw that via their prophetic abilities; something was warning them, but they didnt recognize what that shape was, so they continued alef's ceremony anyways

[compact shale]

"umm what's this spiky well-rendered blob of glowing ink supposed to mean?"
"idk"

[upbeat rampart]

Hello there :D

Also just doing the trials casually, gives me ideas of why Skykid can possibly be the King/Prince

[tulip aspen]

"we should be careful brothers and sisters but we don't have to be afraid of the future anymore, we have our chosen one!!!

[compact shale]

"fellow brothren and sithren why is our chosen one sitting in a big rock a hundred times bigger than itself?"

[upbeat rampart]

Two main points which makes me connect Skykids to the Prince/King (from trials):

--Skykids start meditating, to go into each trial (lighting up candles and then sitting in between). Candles are probably special, have to check on that. Probably setting atmosphere?

This (first part), on itself, can hint to Skykid being the King/Prince due to the fact that meditation is commonly associated with "getting introspective" and "deep into our mind". The first (and probably only?) person who had got through them is the Prince/King so it could be linked to that, and Skykid being attached to King's/Prince's soul, but not so conscious of what happened (maybe.

--After doing each trial, you sit down in front of the trial grandparent's stone and start to shine, almost getting immune to the former obstacles (using former because you can still die in fire, if you sneak enough).

Also another point which they could be connected. It could have been that the King/Prince was given the powers when they were alive (of course).

[upbeat rampart]

Also, about the trial prophets, they probably regret coming into decisions too soon. I mean, it's because of them they had a pretty..."interesting"...ruler. Who probably suffered a lot himself/themselves.

They were probably hopeful themselves and decided they couldn't do because they were old so the King/Prince was their only solution that time, and they were--yeah, hopeful. Probably the kingdom that time was kind of bad in terms of shipping items, management of towns (probably), etc, so they wanted a King to sort that all out and take good care, the younger the better (and who did the trials to prove their eligibility).

What they missed was that the "King" was still a kid, so they just...regret thrusting responsibility on a kid so soon.

[upbeat rampart]

Ref to Vela's third pic for this.

so the Prince/King technically glows above Eden...interesting (probably at what looked like a fixed pnr--before all the damage?)

[harsh pecan]

Mhm

[harsh pecan]

👀

[compact shale]

Yep. Pretty big stuff for a child, especially a child you just tormented with elemental wrath.

[upbeat rampart]

Exactly. I feel sure that the Prince/King was fearful and tried so hard not to die, even once, because he saw how the other people die and he knew not to have the same fate as them.

[compact shale]

Or maybe Prince/King has revive abilities like we do and suffered seeing other peeps die and also suffering trial pain in general

[upbeat rampart]

This also makes sense about wl being "imprints". Could have been King/Prince staring up as the trial Elders each take him out of his mind and after it ends, declare him a King and coronate him the next day.

[upbeat rampart]

Revival attempts probably more after doing all trials instead. I don't think it'd happen while he's doing trials/before trials as he's pretty "ordinary" before that (to me at least)

[compact shale]

do you think he's the fallen kid or not?

[upbeat rampart]

Yes, I think. But I assumed the gold came from coming to the land after falling from such a far distance

[compact shale]

Huh

The revive thing is just assuming he has pretty much all the properties of a skykid :/

[upbeat rampart]

Would he have revived during the trials though?
(wait what fallen kid)
(I assume you talked from the usher spirit)

[compact shale]

I mean, we kinda do?

[upbeat rampart]

Yes, we do, because we've been through the trials once as King/Prince
And our soul is attached so it doesn't matter, we're still the King/Prince

(that's what I interpreted that as anyways, of course it could be lost on a different body perhaps...not sure)

[compact shale]

Hm... I do wonder what the Prince had done to survive...

[upbeat rampart]

Now that I think of it:
"The king cannot be saved" --> "we'll always loop till the end of time"?

@compact shale I believe his fear got through all of that lol, imagine seeing your peers die and have your "parents" have a lot of expectations from you, who you don't want to disappoint (ig)

[compact shale]

oogh oh my dear goodness...

going into angst again huh? man

[upbeat rampart]

Yes, that is literally me.
King is (now that I think of it) the example of why growing up too soon causes problems on the long run.

[compact shale]

And remember! Growing up too soon can destroy the kingdom!

[neat flint]

Letting a child ruling a kingdom

[compact shale]

This is how stuff gets burned

[twilit blade]

So the true meaning of Sky all along is arson.

[green obsidian]

is it okay if I dump my sanctuary theory here?

[vital basalt]

please i was in the middle of reading it in cozy

[rigid mural]

Upper right corner

[compact shale]

*looks at your pfp
*screams

[green obsidian]

alright here it is, it's rather gruesome but it's my best theory, might be a little far-fetched

the sanctuary spirits probably died when a massive storm struck the sanctuary islands and made the elder manta very mad, the elder manta then caused several tidal waves and a tsunami after it and the other sanctuary creatures dived to the bottom of the ocean. The waves then swept the island, killing everyone on it and destroying the bell tower thing. A second storm soon comes and blows some of the remaining bells to the floating islands and killing everyone who thought the worst was over.

Jelly whisperer might've died from starvation, poisoning after resorting to eating either a raw crab or a jellyfish, or drowning since the waves could still reach the cave and flood the whole thing.

Timid bookworm might've been torn apart by the wind after being blown away with some of the bells from the tower.

Rallying thrillseeker might've been killed by the tidal waves or possibly the geyser after they went to try and hide in its crater. the geyser soon erupted, both boiling the thrillseeker midair and smashing them to bits when their body hit the ground

Hiking grouch probably was killed by a falling rock from the mountain since their memory is found very close to the mountain, nothing much to say here

Shell collector might've been hit by a tidal wave and broke their spine, soon drowning from the rising tides

Chill sunbather is a tricky one, due to the darkness plant in the cave where they were seen walking in, we can assume they went mad after being the only survivor and died from the darkness particles that came with eating raw kreb meat

and finally, the season guide, they were probably torn apart by the debris in the wind like the Timid bookworm was, but much slower and more painful

[rigid mural]

Remember how krill "sweat" grey darkness things ? Well mantas "sweat" light particles.

[compact shale]

Don't shame mantas, they have skin to shed too!

[vital basalt]

what graphic ways to die, lovely

[green obsidian]

tis my speciality, graphic deaths and injuries

[upbeat rampart]

Somewhat like the reflective zone (as some people call it)

[vital basalt]

not sure if it's very appropriate for the server tho 💦

[green obsidian]

I promise not to go too far when theory writing, I'll tone it down a bit next time

[upbeat rampart]

Timid bookworm could have died of starvation. I mean...they were really kind of in an island and didn't seem to have any food items...probably died as they tried to avoid their slow but imminent death by reading (or something, being isolated from them and tries to read as their coping mechanism) maybe

(I think grouch just fell off since they reached the top)

[upbeat rampart]

That's probably overload of darkness or something, like we are at pnr--covered by those...particles.

That's what I assumed at least with krills (but interesting detail with Mantas!)

[rigid mural]

Mantas overloaded with light ?

[upbeat rampart]

Interesting

[twilit blade]

I feel bad for laughing at Grouch's death just casually falling off a cliff compared to others. Quick and not too painful as the others experienced at least.

But ofc being the grouch spirit, they give us a hard time learning his emotion.

[upbeat rampart]

That mask symbol looks common with the one in sparkler and wise grandpa spirit iirc

Or somewhat like that

[upbeat rampart]

Okay this makes sense with thrillseeker and about how the spirit shards are mostly on air?

Makes me wonder if Manta call spirit went through that too

[hushed steeple]

What’s been happening here fellow historians

[storm palm]

Y’ALL—
This is the wind paths
I am quaking

[hushed steeple]

We know lel
This is the first thing of lore we’ve got

[storm palm]

I wonder if the corruption will spread farther than the wind paths 👀✨

[hushed steeple]

One can hope. And end of the world would be a good season

[frigid tinsel]

the world already ended tho

[covert leaf]

part 2

[storm palm]

The brightest thing I’ve seen so far while exploring is the water, so I wonder if the water will turn toxic next

[hushed steeple]

Maybe it’s already toxic

[jaunty tapir]

Assuming seasons are past events with regretful spirits, this already happened before. But then here comes sky kids to solve everything.. so I guess we'll be preventing whatever happened before.

[true grove]

The story for sof is happening in the present imo
In trying to restore the wind paths skykids made a oopsie and now there are mountains

[rigid mural]

I would argue the recent transformations in the area aren't strictly in the past; unlike with Prophecy or any other meditation induced cutscene/mission, the wind paths ARE affected by what transpired even after we're done.

I like to think the spirits saw it happen before, thought it would never happen again but despite everything it still did. Poor flight guide must be begging for all of that to be just a bad dream right now.

[frigid tinsel]

I always figured the seasonal events occurred during the present. The new areas are unveiled as the storm recedes, slowly and over time. The season spirits have always been there, frozen in darkness, just inaccessible because of the all the clouds. Whatever changes happened to the area because of the season quests maintain.

Exception being the events of the Season of Enchantment. I picture the spirits and older skykids taking the forgotten ark apart periodically so newer skykids can have fun restoring it.

[summer linden]

are the stone plants on the rocks in the wind paths growing? i swear there are more of them.. likat the rock at the entrance there seems to be a lot more "dark plants"

like the rocks that look like plants

wondering if maybe theyll end up blocking the wind paths... or im just dumb and didnt notice them earlier

[devout geyser]

has anyone figured out what this means yet?

[lofty void]

Question, where is that?

[uneven spear]

The rock in the wind path. And it feels like bugged out...

[lofty void]

Ah

[hushed steeple]

Mine said you need more stars too. But also....uh....the big ones just kinda vanished like a server merge.

So I don’t know if they are bugged out or if someone actually is melting them right now.

I got max flaps so it does not mean glowboy amount.

[devout geyser]

yeah they also disappeared in server merge for me as well. maybe u have to be at full wing power to burn them? bc that’s the only thing i could think the star might mean

[uneven spear]

At other points it means your wing light amount. I assume it's a bug, either it's not meant to be there or we'll see next quest...

[frigid tinsel]

wonder if you need multiple people to burn it, power of friendship all that.

so someone with 150 wl can't burn it? okay, add a skykid with 80 wl, another with 25, another with 95, total of 350 wl, burns the plant. maybe.

[summer linden]

ohh thats why i thought they grew, there must have just been less earlier lol. maybe its something to do with seasonal candles or spirits, both can be orange? idk

[hushed steeple]

Actually mine had a white star. Im on switch. Maybe its different?

Also the cutscenes where pretty glichy. There was 2 navigators and one was walking in place. Afterwards navigator was slowly floating across the sky. BHAHA.

[ornate peak]

yeah on switch my cutscene lagged and had some of the spirits standing in place

anyhow i didn't expect season of flight area to get corrupted and it has me anxious since golden wasteland is one of my least favorites like alot of others for obvious reasons being that corruption,,, i hope we can fix it!!

[hushed steeple]

I was watching some of the beta stuff (months ago nothing current) and they all thought this corrupted version was cut. Apparently they thought it was supposed to start out corrupted! I think, perhaps this way has greater impact when I saw the red and blue light from ark port I was scared krills where gonna star roaming the cloud routes.

[rigid mural]

I was kinda hoping for krills just to watch people deal with that tbh.

Still super interesting to see a link with the ark crashing as soon as it came out of the wind tunnels, and the possibility the storm that caused that is coming back.
This links flight and enchantment, which itself might be linked to lightseekers if you look at the ark murals.

[hushed steeple]

Even the most purified of wasteland still messes up nice areas hhhhh

[cobalt palm]

Some emotional lore for today's quest (prepare to cry edition)

Sky seems to be able to capture emotions perfectly through just a few lighting changes.

This quest is a perfect example.

Hidden forest in the timeline between the youth of prairie, and the young adult of valley, shown in a lot of the spirits who have left their memories there, it is filled with more complex emotions.

Up to now the season of flight has felt whimsical, like a childlike dream of quests helping the spirits as we have seen in many other seasons, but I love this turning point emotionally.
It's that gut wrenching emotion of innocence lost, this is suddenly all too real.
Things previously magical get a dark twist, they keep their mystery, but it's not the same as it once was.
As in teenage years, we develop emotionally more complex, and begin to realise the adults we had been looking up to previously having all the answers were just as lost and scared as we are.
But that doesn't mean it's time to give up, that is the moment we can make a difference.

This has to be one of the most emotionally jarring seasons of all, and I love it all the more for that reason.
🖤

Sorry for the wall of text

[shut trellis]

I love text walls there's always great things to read 😋

[flat mist]

Okay so i think sky is the most beautifully designed and written post-apocalyptic game. It seems like a relaxing, cute, fun game, until you pay a little more attention to the details. Where are the adults? What happened to the spirits? Why are we stuck in the cycle of rebirth? WHAT ARE KRILL? Why is there candle capitalism?

But also, it has bits of lore and seasons to help us piece it all together. The spirit memories and cutscenes, the light drawings on the walls, the elder cutscenes, Eden, and all of that stuff.

[hushed steeple]

Rainbow

[flat mist]

The Golden Wasteland leaking into Wind Paths shows that the realms interact with each other. My theory is that the reason the paths are closed is because of Wasteland corrupting it. I think this is repeating itself. But this time, the skykids will fix the wind paths and keep the corruption at bay.

#screenshots-and-videos @hushed steeple

[hushed steeple]

All we needed where star child janitors all along

[flat mist]

Like how each of the portals has a little bit of their realms leaking in, i think the barrier to GW is too weak and is letting the darkness corrupt wind paths.

[hushed steeple]

Even then, enchantment ark was voted most improved area. And its STILL leaking dark.

[flat mist]

Yeah, just because Ark itself is fixed up doesnt mean the area around it is. Theres a Krill in the entrance mountains and dark water and dark crebs in the caves in that room

[hushed steeple]

even though the portal is right next to ark I think the point is it connects to wasteland. And wasteland was prolly ground zero.

[flat mist]

yeah dunno its just that there was the lil krill light flash that messed with me lol

[hushed steeple]

I was so nervous the krill would come outta the tunnel n start patrolling flight map aaaaaa

[flat mist]

sameeee

[harsh pecan]

Wow

[upbeat rampart]

I'm just gonna drop it here, when I found the blue light on Ark, I was like "oh my god Krill"

Maybe it was there on all realms (esp seasonal areas), brought the darkness with it, but eventually settled in later part of Golden Wasteland because it had the "perfect climate" after damaging everything

Might explain how the krill came in Prince quest and then leaves (but there's an invisible manta, not sure if it's a replacement. If it was so, then makes sense, but if it wasn't...yeah)

[hushed steeple]

Heres what the meltmessage looks like on switch

[shut trellis]

sky stars aren't shaped like that though, i thought...

[hushed steeple]

Bleh, guess we gotta wait till next quest to find out

[shut trellis]

Yeah that reminds me that I should do this quest soon haha

[neat flint]

If so then starlight desert is real and isn't a dream

[hushed steeple]

Im in starlight right now....and uh.....the mantas gone

One of my theories is that the manta was a memory being projected from either the spotlights or lamplighter, but it poofed. Is it timed or something?

[upbeat rampart]

It is gone?
I was trying to go to it a few days before, strange..

Should see. I don't think it's timed tho--possibly a bug?

[compact shale]

Yeah, the wind path confirms that the place is real, but I doubt its contents are. I think it would be pretty boring to explore Starlight Desert if you were actually awake

[sharp lichen]

Finally! Concrete evidence! I don’t know why people would deny from being real

[compact shale]

But what about the contents? that could be a dream and exploring the desert while awake is just... empty nothingness of the void

[green obsidian]

I think it would be more like an emptier version of isle with only a few ruined structures. the stars and the massive buildings are there because we are dreaming, the area in the desert where the prince goes to during the second to last quest is probably what the starlight desert actually looks like minus the stars

[compact shale]

Yeah probably. Welcome to the trippiest location in Sky.

[tulip aspen]

prolly just find them, and then it would make a call so the passengers knew someone was there

that might help in warfare too @_@

[compact shale]

Honk translation: Pedestrian nearby. Please steer before you run over them.

[tulip aspen]

lighting candles at elders isnt just a game thing
it must be that we have to use the candles to yes create some kind of space for meditating, usually for the purpose of entering limbo

[shut trellis]

Does prince Alef have any relationship with the little prince?
and by that i mean similarities and etc. since sky was inspired by TLP and the prince is kind of a little prince.
Even if the relation is only in concepts, was there any?

[frigid tinsel]

never heard of Sky being inspiried by The Little Prince before. where'd you get that? /gen

[shut trellis]

I... don't remember. If i do, don't trust my memory. So scrap that part since it could be wrong. Also i didn't mean like completely inspired. But other than that, do they have a relation?

[neat flint]

Well it's confirmed on sky's official instagram account

You can look up for it

[frigid tinsel]

regardless, i don't think there is or even can be any canonical relationship between the two cos copyright

[lapis notch]

Yeah, it was just putting a colorful bandaid on top of a burnt stick 😂

We didn’t really do much to stop it, it’s just gonna continue being like this (and hopefully not worse)

[frigid tinsel]

question I didn't know I had: where do skykids store the candle wax as they're collecting them?

idea I didn't know I needed: if skykids are hollow as per the "skykids are hollow clay dolls/golems" theory, then they have a lot of space inside them. so that's where they store their wax – inside themselves

[shut trellis]

I meant like, was the prince inspired by the little prince in any possible way? not directly related, no not close to that, just inspired.

[hushed steeple]

Honestly I think he “realized” he might have based the “feeling” of sky after what he felt with the little prince. The crossover was mostly due to the TLP anniversary. Honestly I don’t really think much of starlight breaks canon. Aside from princey himself. If vault is in eden mountain it makes sense eden mountain would be visible from the side of vault without vault being visible as well.

[jovial nacelle]

The gate looks like it has a head from a certain angle

[compact shale]

Do the Starlight Spirits break canon?

[hushed steeple]

I don’t see how they do.........uhhh you mean how they all have unique structures outside of vault dedicated to each of them? Or how one collects stars(?) and stars are people? Yeah....all of that can be fudged a bit to make it fit sky.....with enough effort.

[frigid tinsel]

this is assuming the star collector isn't considered problematic by their peers

[compact shale]

Hello I'm Star Collector and I take souls hostage! /j

[frigid tinsel]

star collector: I collect stars
the elders:

[neat flint]

It’s a reference to tlp phrase but isn’t this a coincidence

[compact shale]

[] Elder: Don'ttouchmychild!

[tidal valve]

that flight quest was something, I’m excited for the next one and what will happen next!

But I like how it shows that everything was connected in a way, I guess we could assume that maybe there’s a version of prarie/ isle that’s also corrupted like this? perhaps?

but also, forest is shown to be within edens storm clouds in concept art maps which is why the rain is toxic, so that’s probably why wind paths was also effected?

But also because, it is a wind path, so the corruption from other realms would spread and continue to other areas?

[harsh pecan]

So….the star collector owns spirits?

[upbeat rampart]

Canonically no but on sky...well, is probably a well reputed mischief maker, going behind spirits, who knows?

he collected them so that's the real reason why they died/j

From Valley onwards, I think we're heading straight to Eden due to this.

And I think Vault is a few metres away from eden, protected by a barrier in which only wl vessels can enter, perhaps.

[upbeat rampart]

Imagine if Sanct spirits died because of water poisoning and having no other alternatives except for eating crabs, dark plants or toxic water.

Truly dark for such a lovely place

[harsh pecan]

I see

[hidden palm]

I remember i wanted to scare my friend once so i told them my theory that the butterfies that give us light are the ones who sucked it out of all the people that used to live there, the butterfies Spread around way too quick for the people to be able to handle them, one wasnt that dangerous but a group of them was

They are now giving us the light of those people long gone

My friend avoided the butterfies for a bit when i told them that

[tulip aspen]

i always believed vault was directly under the mountain, and actually not even a tower at all

[compact shale]

Man

Some peeps think that butterflies got extracted for use in Forest tech

[hidden palm]

I like to think they spread like bacteria

[upbeat rampart]

Prairie cutscene: Stops existing

[upbeat rampart]

That actually makes sense, but there's a corridor to go to Eden (if you're taking Vault path) so somewhat in front of it instead. The door is the official entrance to Eden imo

[tulip aspen]

yeah but Eden social is already at the top of the mountain, you're just climbing the peak during the eye of eden level

[hidden palm]

Also a reason why there are some butterflies in jars, it was a way people captured them

[tulip aspen]

i remember when it still said that

kinda wish they kept that mechanic

[tulip aspen]

definitely an interesting story

[hidden palm]

Only if matpat made a theory of sky

[green obsidian]

I mean, he did one for hollow knight and for the merge mansion ads, so why not sky too?

[pulsar sequoia]

Whose skull is this ? It doesn’t look like krill, whale or bird…it looks like some kind of dragon or a beast (?) it’s in storm area of starlight desert

[tropic prairie]

Yeah omg he will do such a good job

[tropic prairie]

seems like a whale to me -

[hidden palm]

It looks like some kind of a baby

It doesnt really look that developed, it looks smooth

Kinda reminds me of a lizard

[pulsar sequoia]

That's a big baby imagine its adult from

[tropic prairie]

Is there any huge creature that perhaps mentioned in the little prince(book)? It could be possible that it is in the books
But another suggestion it could be - this thing— but I don’t think it will be somewhere in a desert-

[green obsidian]

probably not, when we compare it to the whale bones in forest they look nothing alike. It could be a creature that's part of the family the whales are in, but it could also be part of the dragon family was well

[hidden palm]

I dont think its skull will fit the body

[tropic prairie]

I forgot mantas probably doesn’t have a huge skull-

ACTUALLY-

[hidden palm]

So we know its probably a baby, considering the shape, it could fit a baby dragon skull but i have never heard of a dragon in sky

[pulsar sequoia]

The only dragon I know in Sky is "Dark dragon" aka krill

[hidden palm]

I thought of the same thing, but i doubt krill skulls look like those, their head are very pointy and i dont really see any eyes

(except the light thing on top if its even considered an eye or just a way to sensor)

[green obsidian]

who knows, maybe there were dragons other than the krills we see in-game (no real proof other than this skeleton though)

[tropic prairie]

a stupid thought but-
what if the krills weren’t corrupted at first??
AND WERE LIGHT DRAGONS-

[pulsar sequoia]

ya but krills have horn which point toward us but this one is not

I wish we could uncorrupted krills

[green obsidian]

I mean, look at the creature we see pulling the cart-thing in the switch trailer, it even has that sensor thing that we see on the krills

[frozen hill]

this somehow reminds me of the little manta skeleton in Vault (where we learn the call) or the bones in wasteland also looking somewhat similar

[tropic prairie]

They’d be so cute tho -

[tropic prairie]

Oh yeah I saw that! Dunno if they’re the same thing-

[harsh pecan]

What is that-

[true grove]

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