lore-discussion-spoilers

[dry ivy]

Hmm, I see. That makes sense.

...Someone else takes his shift??

here, random skid, how about you do it for while while I go to Starbucks. Peace ✌️

Hehe

STARbucks

[cursive galleon]

Eh, filling in plot holes.

"How many hours of sleep do you get?"
"Enough that I can count it on one hand on a good day, really."

[distant turtle]

Lamplighter-Isle, Ruler-Prairie, Business-Forest, Narcissist-Valley, Slouching soldier-Wasteland, Geographer-Vault

[neat flint]

Mine is
Lamplighter-Isle
Collector-Prairie
Ruler-Teth
Narcissist-Valley
Soldier-Wasteland
Geographer-Vault

[frozen pivot]

thats mine

[rigid mural]

Already we can find obvious parallels between two sets;
Gloating Narcissist - Valley elders, outfit and paddle that didn't make it to live
Sneezing Geographer - Vault elder, huge nerds that might have secluded themselves away from the world

Less obvious but interesting parallels:
Slouching Soldier - Prairie elder, both are passive and might sleep/drink to avoid dealing with trauma/reality
Beckoning Ruler - Golden Wastes elder, both surround themselves with statues (see what gw elder does with the power of fire in the cave of prophecy wall paintings) and overall had authority (one could argue both had military titles as well).

This leaves us with:
Stretching Lamplighter - Isle elder, I don't see them being greedy and the tiredness and broken mask fit, both are hard at work (beta isle elder had their mask break after summoning boats).
Star Collector - I don't like greedy Forest elder. But some of you headcanon it and I'm not denying it could fit, I just don't like the idea of greedy Forest elder yet here we are.

[distant turtle]

Nice, I can imagine the Ruler ordering the mantas and birds to fly exactly how they are, order the islands to float, and the grass to grow. And I can imagine the collector tallying resources and diamonds

[neat flint]

All of y'all theories are cool
Anyway

[frozen pivot]

forest elder isnt greedy at all imo, shes an inventor, she tinkers with stuff, atleast thats what i came up with putting two and two together. i think she was just eager to seeing us holding that ball of flame that she took it from our slow hands and started working on it eagerly, like a smith

[rigid mural]

That last remark...... maybe it could be a hint to understand why the elders fell and/or failed

[dry ivy]

That’s exactly what I thought in seeing the cutscene for the first time. She’s an artist

[distant turtle]

I think it’s a “give that flame here before you hurt somebody with it” kind of moment

[rigid mural]

YES ME TOO I JUST ??? NO SPIRIT FROM LP FITS THEM
maybe them and their forest were prey to greed and they overworked themselves because forest settlement could have been poor

[frozen pivot]

her ost is named "Scattered Toys" or smth too, its kinda adorable ngl, an eager teth finally getting her hands on some good mats to work with again, immediately hammers on it

[distant turtle]

Ah, I don’t relate the LP spirits to elders, but to realms

[rigid mural]

The theme that plays when doing the cutscene is "the Invention" I,,, 🥺

[rigid mural]

Bro, your brain is massive and pulsing.

[frozen pivot]

ah was it that? i do remember somebody mentioning Scattered Toys relating to teth somewat. does that ost even exist?

[distant turtle]

Oh thanks! I like this group a lot

[rigid mural]

Scattered Toys plays in the temple when you enter (similarly to Pottery Walk in Prairie's temple), but after the cutscene and the gates opening, the song is Faded Glories, which sounds like a mix of Forest's gentle tunes with Valley's joy ^^

[frozen pivot]

oh so its kinda like lost and found that plays in orbit where we hug the prince

||went according to plan ||

[distant turtle]

Forest Elder is my fave. I finished Forest first even though I don’t wear the cosmetics

It’s the hair, the ‘tude, the temple, the cool outfit. Valley Elders are jealous

[rigid mural]

I'd like to stare at them creating stuff. I bet they're not unlike those engineer figures in tales and mythos that are excellent at crafting overall, from blacksmithing to woodworking and even textile work.
...would teth have an art youtube where they post speedpaints and the likes

[neat flint]

All theories are valid

There's no right and wrong

[upbeat rampart]

Truthfully, they remind me of this one rat experiment that had been conducted before.

In the experiments, rats which socialised with people were less addicted to drugs or some form of "obsession" (if you will), seeking out for entertainment and "filling" their lives with it. The rats which were isolated chose to go forward to fill themselves with pleasures such as alcohol.

This was mentioned in a TED talk once and instantly reminded me of it. They all just need to talk with people and actually interact instead of being alone in their version of planets.

[dry ivy]

Well maybe that was her problem

She loved creating things, but often she didn’t think of the overall consequences of what she had created

Like give her a problem or creative constraints, and she loves to solve it

But she could create something powerful because she loves the capture and channel the beauty with it in her craft, but she didn’t think of how others or the environment could be hurt by that power until it was too late

[neat flint]

Teth is ambitious ig.

[dry ivy]

Ahh I love the names

Then I think Faded Glories is my fav—what plays when you walk to the final forest area behind the temple with the mantas. The flutes give me life

[hushed steeple]

Ambitious is a nice word for it

[dry ivy]

Yes yes yes she gives me lotr vibes, both the elegance and fancy artistry of the elves and the hardworking, down-to-earth craft of the dwarves

[hushed steeple]

…but pretty much every season has 6 spirits? Like it seems to be the norm?

[dry ivy]

Oh WOAAAAHHHH

I LOVE THIS. That’s so true.

[nimble ingot]

Food for thought:
Spells are magical effects the skykids an cast. However the skykid is not able to cast them infinitely.
Whenever they obtain spells from spirits, or the shop, the spells come down to the skykid in a unique starry shape 🌟.
One that is eerily familiar to the King's mask.
If that is not a strong enough connotation. Remember, they are also red.

[hushed steeple]

It also occurs to me that Wasteland has lots of Prince or King symbols. (I get confused between the two.) I also associate Wasteland with a military state. Military government and law enforcement, that kind of thing.

…It also feels like – to me – that spells are not something Skykids are inherently able to do. Like leaving message boats or glow for a time, or things like that. It feels like…I'm not sure how to put it. It just doesn't seem to fit in with the idea of what a Skykid is.

On the other hand, it could just be what a Skykid does for amusement.

Either way, maybe spells are a way for a Skykid to extend themselves? Then there's potential for greed (associated with the King anyway), and an opening for spirits to interact with Skykids (in the constellations, spells are "Blessings" from the spirits).

[upbeat rampart]

I think that depends on spells sometimes? I've seen some which goes in a wavy form downwards and the said transition happening.

[dull fox]

What if krill are actually just figments of our imagination and skykids are just elementary school kids playing a game on the playground

[upbeat rampart]

Haaa massive wl damage tho

[frail bridge]

Yeaaa thank you! I am a metalsmith myself, and when I first saw the cutscene that exactly what I thought of too!!

[celest spoke]

Is Eden the principal’s office?

[dull fox]

Yes. We’re going to detention

[cursive galleon]

I can imagine the parent phone call: "They got detention for... Burning the playground grass?"

[dry ivy]

Well then who is throwing rocks at us?

Well then I guess the king is the principal

But we never get to see him so

I guess the delinquent skid got pardoned at the last minute

And orbit is being treated to some ice cream instead

[dry ivy]

Wow! It’s so cool that I am able to meet such a variety of people within the Sky community 🙂

[nimble ingot]

Personally, I like to think that skykids inherently have some magic in them.
Their emotes can give of sparkles of lights which the skykid can summon at will.

Perhaps the spells are perhaps boons the skykids keep within them and can consume. This magic also exists in items such as the staff, the chair, a mask etc.
The ancestors might be able to manipulate light magic as seen in the Switch trailer, though they do not carry this magic within like skykids do.
If anything, I would love to see if an ancestor can be as powerful, if not as powerful as a skykid with magical spells, or if enough skykids can combine their strengths in some way to produce a more powerful magical effect.
(I think I should stop there, before a group of skykids start to experiment with fireworks, lol).

[nimble ingot]

If that is the case, some skykids had to be well known trouble makers to go there on a weekly basis.

[nimble ingot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Vrc1dN6be0
There used to be one with a spongebob chase theme, but the video quality got bad.

[dry ivy]

what the hecccc 😆

The way the dude is running 🤣

[nimble ingot]

hahaha, yup!
Imagine if the King had to deal with an army of skykids in his palace.

[cursive galleon]

I think people are getting the Switch trailer and promo mixed up. The trailer showed past seasons and the promo was the animation.

[hushed steeple]

Maybe he wouldn't have been corrupted then
Because who can resist the sheer uwuwuwuuuuu-ness of smol Skykids running around, giving hugs, cuddle piles on the King, all of that?

[rigid mural]

Consider this: I never lived any other season.

[rigid mural]

How does it feel to have the coolest art out there ?
May I ask, their hammer looks a bit big to handle while holding something on an anvil, I thought of war hammers but perhaps metalsmiths have a use for giant hammers ?

[hushed steeple]

Fair enough
Welcome to Sky!

[half shadow]

Oh SAME Vela same

[nimble ingot]

hm?
I had to look up what you meant by that and see what you mean, my apologies.

Here are the videos in question, I will assume the animation (as you stated) would be the promotional video. Which would make sense now that you mentioned it, and the other one (or two as it seems) would be the trailers for the game.

From Nintendo's youtube channel, there is only the animation, which was called the 'launch trailer' :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBQRCHusYyU&list=TLPQMjMwOTIwMjHVdujuTRnRfA&index=3
The rest are from ThatGameCompany's youtube channel. The animated video was titled 'Launch Promo':
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GO1il8fOPCE&list=TLPQMjMwOTIwMjHVdujuTRnRfA&index=4
These two from the same channel was titles as the announcement video, and the other was called a launch trailer, respectively.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okQC85M7qFM&list=TLPQMjMwOTIwMjHVdujuTRnRfA&index=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUNQWu_GjUM&list=TLPQMjMwOTIwMjHVdujuTRnRfA&index=2

I misunderstood the titles and just called all of them trailers, not thinking anything of it.
Thanks @cursive galleon for the valid point of clarification. Your logic makes sense and will keep that in mind the next time when mentioning the animated video.

[feral zenith]

||What will happen when the big eden crystal finally seals? Skykids won’t have a purpose||

[nimble ingot]

They might get to go to orbit and stay. Or perhaps be given a new purpose, Who knows...

[feral zenith]

Possibly
But what if..
Hear me out..
||something else keeping the realms from falling again breaks?||

[lofty void]

JSYK, yall don’t need to spoiler tag in lore chat

[feral zenith]

OH WAIT-
WAITWHA-

[stark marten]

Yes, this channel is already marked as a potential spoiler zone, so you don't need to tag things in here

[balmy ermine]

When you want to look into the lore of one of your favourite games but barely understand anything when you look in the lore channel:

Also remember this

does this actually mean anything or is it a throwaway line? Because either way it’s actually just a passage from the Little Prince book with some of the words replaced to better fit the context. In the book the dark plants were baobabs and the realm was a planet. I’m confused

[nimble ingot]

it may have been a joke or a tease with comparing the plants.

[neat flint]

☁️

[balmy ermine]

I mean it sounds like something that would’ve actually happened. I genuinely thought we found a crucial piece of lore but then I reread the book cuz why not it’s a good book, its confusing

this is why I’m making a fan made season to explore the lore >:D
..but first I need to understand the lore that already exists oops

[icy spruce]

HELLO, DO YOU NEED SOME DOCS ABOUT THE LO R E

[neat flint]

🐦 ✨

[balmy ermine]

y e s -

[icy spruce]

evil laughter

Anyways

Lore Moff Doc (credits to Bricky)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18B1-SKG3toG0oH0VhOWC5o-cG9u0STAN92QvmbhTDto/edit?usp=sharing

The Canon Lore Doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/10ZWJRGiJSrIXgDvJ4pST61moZbVB_hBExUjOaF-pmOE/edit?usp=sharing

The Theory Vault
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-SOY_5WrhQ2ftVZEM9VMBsz92-n_53kBzQoHKmY2-24/edit?usp=sharing

Sky Leitmotifs
https://docs.google.com/document/d/19p_7mI1bI4fxKBk5ogVJCTsU7hzLJejqBgQTSJDAjuo/edit?usp=sharing

[balmy ermine]

YEAHHH (it sounded sarcastic before so now I’m yelling)
Thank you for the docs I appreciate it :DD

I just realised I’m essentially being referred to as a moff
as someone who’s been playing since Belonging that is a weird feeling

[frozen pivot]

frog

[rigid mural]

This is a quote from the little prince book but with dark plants instead of baobabs lol, don't sweat it

[harsh pecan]

Wow :0

[balmy ermine]

What an interesting piece of the lore

[harsh pecan]

Wanna know more about the King?

[balmy ermine]

Why not

[frozen pivot]

unironically, it is. remember ts hints? ye those are somewhat canon, and guess wat, apparently juggler likes frogs

[half shadow]

vaguely related but I see some people in #wishlist-and-ideas-archived request to have more lore heavy seasons and honestly, I don’t think a season entirely chock full of lore explaining exactly what happened will ever come. TGC seems more like they’re going to release bits and pieces of world building over a steady amount of time

[harsh pecan]

He’s basically Sky’s monarch, people usually call him by his concept name Resh, and some think he’s the Eden Elder. Pretty cool character if you ask me

[frozen pivot]

otherwise, i just like calling out frogs here cus im bored

[balmy ermine]

I’m so glad I know all this now thank you very much-

[harsh pecan]

||King Supremacy||

[rigid mural]

The lantern is very, very niche, but I saw something cool with it ! Look at the symbol on the pots in the treehouse...

[balmy ermine]

I was about to try and create a fan made season which would expand the lore too, but now that I think about, it probably shouldn’t expand too much. So Ye just little by little more will be revealed, good plan

[rigid mural]

Also I find it interesting how spirits all seem to clutch their heart/core when you don't trigger their memories. They have a similar pose when they're the statues at the end of the memories, perhaps their demise came from within too ?

[frozen pivot]

those symbols are scattered all around and we dont know anything about them other than they exists and theres different variants of them, watever they may represent, i speculate that its just similar to how juice and milk box are similar but different in content, pot wise

[rigid mural]

Oh ? Is there a collage of these somewhere ?

Or at least locations, I don't mind getting screenshots myself.

[frozen pivot]

wat u could pinpoint tho is where these type of pots and symbols are more prominent on in the realms; foundation for origins, i dont have screenies cus im lazy and pots are just pots really, whether its used to hold darkness or milk

[rigid mural]

Also, to those of you that like the theory winged lights are remnants of skykids/alef/the prince, this one is hidden beneath the treehouse (there's a tunnel on the first floor that leads here).

[rigid mural]

Funny you mention it, I checked out the valley temple dungeons and prairie caves before the spell ran out and I found no such mark either.

[frozen pivot]

milk and oj pots it is then. milk so spoiled, it started growing mushrooms

[icy spruce]

At least they can make cheese or smthn

[frozen pivot]

oh no..

[compact shale]

We reconstruct the kingdom, do whatever we want,

[sharp lichen]

||Brave of you to think Skykids can seal away the Storm. It’s been 2 years and it’s grown bigger||

[compact shale]

damned eden update...

[sharp lichen]

What’s so bad about it?

[compact shale]

I guess we could say that update made the Storm bigger and worse...

[sharp lichen]

Which update? I guess I’m out of the loop

[compact shale]

It made Eden harder, if you have more wings you lose more wings per rock hit

it was made when vets complained about waiting to die but it's pretty controversial for reasons I'm not completely sure about

[sharp lichen]

I predict the controversy is because Sky players normally don’t like difficulty

[compact shale]

Some feel it wasn't needed, that the OG eden was difficult enough

[sharp lichen]

To be fair, the difficulty ramps up quite a lot in Eden. But it can be cheesed anyway, and climaxes shouldn’t be easy

Anyways, when generally analyzing the lore, what themes came up for you and why? I saw legacy (being remembered long after you die) and inevitability (being powerless to stop something) as major.

[compact shale]

inevitability is easy to see, but legacy? where?

[harsh pecan]

Should I say it?

[sharp lichen]

It may be just my interpretation, but here goes: The Elders, knowing that their time in the Sky world was fading away, built structures and murals so that they would be remembered after they died. Resh, however, took this to the extreme, creating a gargantuan storm.. The Storm is Resh’s final imprint on the world.

[compact shale]

ohhhh i see

[icy spruce]

300 hearts, where is it

[harsh pecan]

It’s gonna take a year to pay at this point

[icy spruce]

Lmao, ye

[rigid mural]

What

[rain locust]

hmmm

|| plot twist: they are doing a ritual on the grass||

[still portal]

Hello
I wonder about dark stones. How did you know about them? I haven't seen anything like that in the game and it bothers me. Where did the theory of the existence of stones come from?

Second question. I found an interesting rock on the prairie. I've seen a few of these rocks and I wonder why they are. I'll attach a picture.

Final question. Whose eggs are in the forest? Do you have any suggestions? Is it manta eggs? Or krill eggs?

[twilit lark]

These are basically clocks 💀

[neat flint]

When it aligns, a rainbow will appear

[twilit lark]

What eggs- 🥚

[shadow hare]

Heya, not sure if this is the right place to ask, but is there a website or a post on disc that has the stories of the spirits when you relive them? I'd rather not go relive them cos I forgot the stories

[twilit lark]

Spirits? Each has their own story for the emote. That is all I know.
But which spirits exactly?

[shadow hare]

Yea the emote stories
I'm after Prarie spirits first

[still portal]

What about the dark stones? Where did the theory about their creation in the forest come from? Why in the forest?/gen
I'm really puzzled by that..

[neat flint]

The eggs in forest are just decorations now

[twilit lark]

For example the isle pointing spirit
Last I relieved the spirit, he was pointing to either the boat or temple. He showed it to a lady and a child. I think that is his story ig.

At least that is my theory! Feel free to ask me other questions. I will try to answer them with as much knowledge about sky I can

[still portal]

Have you seen that?
https://www.instagram.com/p/CEYii0HJc0i/?utm_medium=copy_link

[frozen pivot]

dark stones are or was a concept to be implemented in the game, these are the stones thought to be the embodiment of darkness and corruption because of its nature to drain light away from things as oppose to light giving life to things. although going to more speculative theories, theyre thought to be the other ingredient for creating refined diamonds that the spirits used for their multitude of tech.

i think that stone might be a symbol of sorts to refer to occupations ancestors had, although the same symbol on a stone can be seen somewhere in forest brooks.

the eggs in boneyard are light awaits remnants, easter egg if u will

[void cloud]

What's the lore name for Forest mama and the other members?

[nimble ingot]

as fanon, she us called Teth.
Officially, it is Elder of the Hidden Forest, Forest elder, or even Rain elder (since the old name for the realm was rain).

[upbeat rampart]

Forest because I guess that's more reasonable, given the amount of trees there (which seemed to give something? According to a user. I'll link it up if I find).

Which is why they chose forest ig

[hushed steeple]

One of the lore docs says that you can see trees in the Forest temple area cut down to make space for all those devices and the temple, and it's meant to show the development of technology and a consequence of it.
That's why the power diamond is said to be invented in the Hidden Forest, by Forest mama.

[late blade]

can someone pls explain the lore to me like I'm a clueless child i have no idea what's going on here

[icy spruce]

HELLO AND DO YOU NEED SOME DOCS ABOUT LORE?

[late blade]

YES

[icy spruce]

OKAY

Lore Moff Doc (credits to Bricky)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18B1-SKG3toG0oH0VhOWC5o-cG9u0STAN92QvmbhTDto/edit?usp=sharing

The Canon Lore Doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/10ZWJRGiJSrIXgDvJ4pST61moZbVB_hBExUjOaF-pmOE/edit?usp=sharing

The Theory Vault
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-SOY_5WrhQ2ftVZEM9VMBsz92-n_53kBzQoHKmY2-24/edit?usp=sharing

Sky Leitmotifs
https://docs.google.com/document/d/19p_7mI1bI4fxKBk5ogVJCTsU7hzLJejqBgQTSJDAjuo/edit?usp=sharing

[late blade]

I didn't even know sky had lore until i saw this channel 😕😕😕

[icy spruce]

It’s okay, I thought the same when I was a moff

[dry ivy]

Yes! I always thought that was interesting. When I first played, I immediately thought what caused their petrifying had something to do with their hearts—or sparks—having a problem, like growing cold or something. To me, I thought they each went through their own spiritual or psychological trauma that led them to freezing up in despair. (Something more akin to Ni No Kuni or something, where ones state of heart has magical effects). I saw the spirit memories as releasing whatever emotional pain that lead them to that state, but now I realize that it probably was some big fat explosion that just froze them in one go. Idk.

Either way though, whatever returned them into stone, I think it makes their inner light core/heart hurt really bad. So they double up like that in pain

[rigid mural]

Consider this: the explosion didn't kill them physically, but it killed them psychically

My theory is that the explosion is whatever caused the "real" world (with the 7 realms and all) to be linked to that limbo world (Orbit and wherever we meet the elders in their cutscene).

[hushed steeple]

That kinda fits with the idea that eden beam was made to help spirits get back to orbit (aside from dying I guess). A connection of heaven and earth type deal.

[hushed steeple]

I rather thought that Eden/Orbit was their home that they were cast out of, and now they're trying to make their way back.

All the statues in Eden seem to be pointed towards the big diamond. And when our Skykid dies, they also reach out towards that diamond before they are consumed completely.

Their pose suggests that they're trying to defend themselves – they're covering their vital organs. At first glance, I also thought that "That's the pose of a person that's been shamed/someone who is remorseful."

[frozen pivot]

orbit, in a way is more similar to purgatory rather than heaven. theres a higher plane than orbit in which u can see the skids 1.0 ascend towards after shedding their bodies.

when we succumb in stormlock, our last movement are of someone trying to grasp something one last time, a futile attempt to grab on to something, or perhaps a call for help towards light. eden was supposed to represent death too

[hushed steeple]

Yeah, Eden represents death.
But if you try to label the levels of the sky, there would be no stopping point. That's why I think Orbit is the highest you can go.
The Skykids that you see returning to the canopy above (that later get turned into ACs) might just be symbolic of the fact that your mission to send them to the stars (the mission stated in Isle) is complete. You don't get to ascend to that plane because your journey isn't over yet.
That's how I interpret it.

[upbeat rampart]

What is is giving out our wl supposed to represent? Looking back and giving back whatever we can to the Earth again?

[wheat cypress]

I'm not sure but I think there's a Google doc in the pinned on this channel

[hushed steeple]

WL are the "imprints of the children of the light," right? So maybe you're returning the imprints to the statues.
The tagline for that part of Eden also reads, "Return the light of the fallen" so I think that's what's happening here

[upbeat rampart]

Return in the sense...they were the wl imprints all over the other maps?

This raises a question. How does eden have less than 90 statues (around 65s, I think) but in other realms there's up to 91?

[hushed steeple]

That's a fair question, and I don't have the answer to that
But when you combine the statement "return the light of the fallen" with the fact that you're giving your winged light to the statues…what other interpretations are possible?
Keeping in mind that losing your own winged lights is basically death

[nimble ingot]

Giving your winged light might be to enable the fallen (whether it is the souls of the statue kids, the spirits themselves, or even someone else) to pass on to orbit.
The old name for winged light was stars. Which might help with the symbolic representation of being saved and guided back to orbit.

However, I think there is more to that part of the lore, us skykids are either have not yet solved, or are not yet given all the pieces to see the whole picture.
There are about 108 winged lights dotted across the realms, and there are 63 statues in Eden.
The little Prince did give a clue about the final area of Eden:
It is very cold, drains your light (or life force), strips you of your identity (or makes you forget who your are, there may be something else the game cannot show clearly), and can petrify it victims upon death. The cause of this effect is due to the sheer amount of corrupting darkness in the area (similar to radioactivity, I suppose?) or it is coming from the giant red power diamond. It does not look or sound pleasant.

Skykids tend to clutch their chests when near death. This might be because their chests hold their source of light, it is where they store their light.
This is either their reflex to protect this vital spot on their bodies, or a reaction to pain. That or I like to think skykids have some sense of feeling as they can get hurt, and may recognise emotions.
This is mostly a bare bones theory as I don't have concrete evidence on skykids themselves (not the player) can truly recognise, and express their inner feelings, or feel anything at all aside from the moment before their death, and the prompts to offer the light kid a hug (which the player chooses when they can do this, but that option is the only one the skykids presents).

[pearl forge]

I dont know how others interpret the cutscenes but after you are reborn and after you die the skykid appears to show emotions such as confusion. i dont know im only just getting into lore but i felt i should mention that

[rigid mural]

So like, about the resemblance between the forest elder mask (worn by the apologetic lumberjack) and what we assume is resh...
That and the parallels between the forest refinery and the golden waste ruins in which we meet our first krill... hmmm

Me, seeing the increasing amount of signs Teth might have been more antagonist than protagonist:

[nimble ingot]

Is that what someone was referring to saying skykids already have access to a king mask?

[rigid mural]

Very likely yeah, I saw several "Alef" cosplays using it.

[harsh pecan]

So Resh’s mask was different all along? Bruhhhh

[distant turtle]

I think maybe a biased loyalist who didn’t want to see the truth

[hushed steeple]

That was actually part of a dev response once I think. Part of lore doc. “We wear his face” to which the reply is “well it represents forest instead but could make sense considering forest role at the time” or something along those lines. Basically Teth is wearing king merch all along.

[harsh pecan]

Teth is a King Supporter, be like Teth 👍

[rigid mural]

Where in the doc exactly ?

[hushed steeple]

Pretty much at the very end

[rigid mural]

Not sure I understand everything but thanks !

[frozen pivot]

fair, although i argue with the fact that orbit takes place in space, space being infinitely vast by comprehension, assuming thats true with the skyverse.

i made the comparison of purgatory as orbit and skids 1.0 ascending further, because like the ancestors that gives their wl to us before we descend back, the skids 1.0 couldve just done the same, similar how we give candles to ancestors for their gifts.

to also mention that while there is spirits in orbit, its only the ones we saved and befriended remains to reside whilst the rest before the fall that got to be saved isnt anywhere to be found, perhaps in the higher plane i thought of.

like, qgs; specifically the ones before enchantment and bloom spirits are saved spirits, how come we dont see them in orbit playing uno or having a tea party with the elders and spirits we saved

is there a town in orbit we dont know about? possibly a casino?

[upbeat rampart]

Speaking of the qgs, everyone ascends (including ts) but not qgs?

[upbeat rampart]

Okay, added a case.

Now, there's 63 stonekids in Eden. Adding the 37 basic spirits we find in constellation, it would make 100.

And I think we hit 100 when we reach pnr anyways. 9 wl on Eden, not counting Orbit. Therefore it makes sense

[upbeat rampart]

Then, who were the stars? If yes, they were the stars who needed guidance, why? What lead them in their demise like that?

Could it be that when offering your winged light, they get over the state of life-or-death limbo for awhile but needs more winged light than that go truly ascend? Or would it, instead , mean that our wing light "refreshes" whenever we pass out of orbit, which makes them return back into their stones and waiting for the Skykid to return again?

Also, I think it's 100 itself (you certainly don't reach more than 100 before pnr...I think). 91 from other realms, 9 before pnr. (Keep in mind that sliding race and flying race has the same 1 wl apparently, and orbit is not on count with what I'm referring to at the moment). When adding spirit + statue count (63+37), you get a total of 100.

Also, interestingly, petrify has two different meanings. (Because I love to fact check on words before talking if there's even a slight chance of miscommunication).

a. Changes organic matter into a stone like substance, like calcium carbonate, silicone, or other similar deposits.
(Ref to how our skykid turns into what I assume is rocks due to losing all wl.)

b. Make someone so frightened that they're unable to move.
(Could be that adding on to the rocks crushing them and making them not move, they're also scared as to what would happen in the future--to them, that is).

What I assumed the holding chest would symbolise was that the rocks were too strong but they wanted to progress forward, therefore trying it to survive. Which matches the second meaning to petrify. It could also be the sense of pain, or to be fair, both.

[frozen pivot]

rather, theyre those that descended, kinda similar to evil spirits in reason of regret, perhaps theirs are to enlighten us while we save the lost in the way, thats why they stayed. each one is unique to their own rights, yet it doesnt involve any of their fragments, but tangible memories as whole, thats why i dont think theyre not ur normal spirits, it even involves things beyond their memories

[upbeat rampart]

Maybe they don't need to come back, and leaves their imprint on the sky realm? I mean they just have to offer hearts to the new players anyways, and those who got the Ult rewards from qg, so they settled for the stars, leaving behind their memories I suppose

[frozen pivot]

they dont, we dont need to either

[upbeat rampart]

In the sense they don't have a reason to come back and show their appearance, or need anything to relive as such

Well I really didn't think much of the quest givers, probably it might mean something.

[frozen pivot]

u can argue that each seasons introduces those spirits thats yet to be saved but still exists lorewise.

but with those and the new change theyve implemented(able to relive past ts), its safe to assume that my hc makes sense: we save everything along the way, a journey in one go, until we reach the end game - eden.

[frozen pivot]

thats fair, tho notice that they just kinda pop out nowhere standing around giving us quests? we didnt even relive them nor did they seem corrupted and trapped, but we do relive their memory for them.

sanct qg for example. the bells is their memory, their wish, ingame text

[upbeat rampart]

True. Maybe their memories are in the form of reliving them as such?

[frozen pivot]

and the very spirits we save can descend like qgs after we save too btw, we can call them from the constellations in home space and their tombs and social spaces, i like to think its not just an interface game wise, its actually them going down to meet us

[upbeat rampart]

True. I wasn't sure if qg had Eden candle (maybe)

[frozen pivot]

they dont, but they do give loads of hearts for reliving their memories for them

[upbeat rampart]

True, 1 heart per quest.

They are probably there so that they get more people to help them. What is left of them is their body and their mind, which had their memories. Their soul has ascended in Orbit...or that's my interpretation

[frozen pivot]

u make it sound like its a paid contract
but i disagree, hearts, similar to how we use it and how tgc refers to it, its their gratitude in shape for reliving their memory for them that they only vaguely recall about until we help them remember

[upbeat rampart]

I didn't realise that--

Yes and no. What I think of it is somewhat like their soul being split from the body. Now, the qg's soul is a bit different than others...imo, which I theorise to be something like their soul stops remembering, but is still grateful to what you've done. The soul does not know what you did, but you helped them ascend so they're very thankful to you.

Their body does sense it. Their brain stores the memory (assuming they do have a brain) and it's kind of like--initially the soul was set free after a few skykids set them free, then the practice repeated as other joined. But this time, with less emotions, if at all, because the soul has ascended.

I theorise the soul having much lesser memories and their emotions are very simplified, and predominantly happiness (or) nothingness (after ascending), while the body does but isn't emotionally equipped much. But when a skykid makes some steps and redo the quest again, they do feel utmost joy somewhere in their soul and not knowing why.

[frozen pivot]

so a split consciousness type thing, where soul and body are in different places, seems a fun theory to keep, tho its far fetched imo.

the point of ascension is to shed mortal flesh, only for the soul to remain, in a sense; as celestial bodies. its a known fact that the ancestors are dead, but not dead dead because their spirit remains. to say that they still have a physical body somewhere in orbit doesnt make sense to me. but wat i do agree on is the possibility that theyve lost some of themselves due to the centuries that passed trapped, but not so much so that they forgot the light, and theyve basically coexisted with variants of us before the fall, being the skids 1.0 in eden so them not knowing wat we did seems off.

and theres that follow me spirit that have the prince or a skid in their memory

[upbeat rampart]

Yes, sort of! Far fetched, possibly. I'm not really sure

Pretty much yes. Here, the quest giver's mortal body is required, therefore it has to stay behind. Ascension means to ascend their souls in qg's context for me, therefore their body is left behind but their soul has moved forward.

It's not that they had forgotten the light--they are already with the stars in Orbit (purely my opinion) and truly existing there, and ascending after/before skykids 1.0 (most probably after)

On another note, is that the mined rocks near their legs?

[frozen pivot]

ah, the thing is the qgs, doesnt have mortal bodies either, and by ascending and shedding mortal flesh, i literally mean physical bodies disintegrating. otherwise that body would just be husk derived of nothing, the very meaning of darkness

[frozen pivot]

i think theyre lanterns cus of the top part but, i still dont have a real clue wat those are

[frozen pivot]

or this would make sense if sky was genshin, kinda like how azhdaha split into 2 spirits, the one that remembers and the one that dont. one significantly weaker than the other

[upbeat rampart]

But we still see the qg after completing the quest...which is why I came up with the whole "qg leaves their body behind".

Or maybe the body was left behind but more they relive (one time only), more the body of theirs disintegrate?

[rigid mural]

I thought those were cairns, those pebble stacks that mark roads on mountain hikes but can also serve as gravestones for the unfortunate.

[upbeat rampart]

If it was mined light, then I'd have definitely been a little impressed because they're kind of in a boat shape to me

[upbeat rampart]

They do seem to show similarities, but it looks like a smaller version of it perhaps. Probably shortage of materials.

[frozen pivot]

idk, my hc is we only do the things we do in a single journey, once theyre saved, thats one off the checklist. one realm after the other, one spirit to the next, until we eventually reach each elders that will help guide those spirits we saved in their realms to ascend with them. so on and so forth until we reach eden and ascend ourselves.

were not the one helping them ascend, were only freeing them for the elders to do the rest

[rigid mural]

You know, with the whole legacy theme where we pretty much waddle and flutter around a post apocalyptic world which we use in our own way (some things are still functional like power diamond technology, others serve their purpose despite the damage like the valley races)...
You'd think I'd sooner have gotten the idea that like light and dark being part of a whole that became unbalanced, the elders were flawed and in their probably long lifespan did a lot of right, a lot of wrong and probably carry a lot of guilt and trauma.

What I mean is that there's a possibility the king and elders didn't need a hubristic plan to cause such a cataclysm.

Only evidence I have: they feel enough guilt to help you.

[frozen pivot]

who knows, theres no ground to prove whether its right or wrong anyway. i will say tho, remorse is not something i'd relate to entities with statuses as theirs, they might know and admit their wrong, but to them, its just another inevitable wrong they did before and will do in the future

a millenia is but a blink, generation a sigh. they will do it again for as long as they live and it wouldn't be their fault

[cloud prism]

I think that there was a base 8 counting system. The clocks have 8 distinct symbols, and the decals have either 8 points (the sun symbol) or have 8 sides when looked at closely (the more common diamond symbol)

I mean, there are even 8* elders!
*2 for valley, I'm saying 1 for Eden too.

[harsh pecan]

Wow

[upbeat rampart]

Valid. I'll leave it at that because I don't have much to add, but your theories were all valid and makes sense. We do stuff in a single run (or two for ts--after eden) and that is it. Perhaps getting a glimpse of the future qg's past would be nice

[upbeat rampart]

8 spirits at DP, 8 player door too! (but only in DP I think).

I'm not really sure of clocks though [since I haven't seen them]

[frozen pivot]

man .
im just here for lore. i felt the need to explain my hc, but basically in switch trailer, u can see the scope and scale of Eden(the kingdom, thats wat i call it). its vastly larger than wat we see in the game and the time it will take to traverse all that would prolly be long but as immortal walking war machines, we have all that time. anyway, in that journey we will do our purpose regardless. save every lost ancestors, and with the help of the ones we save, we move on to the next lost, meet more and more, reach our first temple and the rest to follow. if skids dont make an adventurer's guide after rebirth, weve all been lied to

[sinful anvil]

that just makes her more uhhhhhh queen tbh

[half shadow]

Tethany how could you do this to us 😔

[compact pine]

Did ancestors eat any meat? Do light creatures have meat?? Do ancestors even eat?

[upbeat rampart]

My question exactly, but probably just had the power of absorbing and eating light. No idea.

[harsh pecan]

Did they eat the birds???

[harsh pecan]

oh my god wow wait lemme read

Dang that’s a good theory

[nimble ingot]

I like this theory and cannot wait for the next part 👀
What may help in supporting this theory is how each spirit has an orb of darkness in their chests. Which may represent their hearts being corrupted by darkness.
The use of candles for skykids is to burn away the darkness, thus purifying the spirit with a pure flame. What makes the flame so pure (or holy) is how sensitive it is to the presence of darkness.
Skykids (imo) are like a vessel (or a golem) that carries this flame. When they are hit by a dark creature, or are in contact with polluted waters; they lose part of this light.
The winged light helps expand the amount of light we can carry, the more winged light we have, the more of this light can be used by skykids to fly, withstand hits and survive longer in the rocky rain of Eden.
It is a curious detail how season quest givers (SQG) do not seem to have a grave, or a place where you relive their specific memories, it seems like thier memories are tied to the spirits of their season.
I am also curious to why season spirits lack tombstones. Either they were buried somewhere else, or there is something else that sets the season spirits aside from the non-seasonal ones.

[static spoke]

Perhaps different burial customs

[nimble ingot]

ok, this took me a whlie to get back to.
This is likely unfortunately a case of z-fighting. When the game has two surfaces that are overlappin gone another, the game tries to render both of them at once, causing the textures to merge, or tear into one another.
How you can can see this is when you look at the face from another angle, or when you are closer to the face. Because the eyes will either still sink into the face, or fully stand out.

There is another spirit that unfortunately is suffering from a similar modelling issue.
The Admiring Actor might have inverted UVs on his face. This causes his face under the mask to be transparent and let you see the hair behind his head.

[rigid mural]

Apologetic lumberjack has white eyes but they are behind the dark face, so their eyes look darker than their mask.

[rigid mural]

I like to think seasonal spirits are spirits that made it safely to Eden/Orbit when the cataclysm happened and thus "survived" longer than the spirits stuck below.
They might come back when the conditions are right or their area is freed from the storm to get candles and properly ascended like the others.

This is really good !
Perhaps the cataclysm simply aggravated a problem that was already there; darkness plants grow in areas associated with trauma (shipwrecks, industrialized areas, battlefields...) so I like to think the sound you hear when triggering a memory really is one popping.
So perhaps the ancestors are still here because they are weighted down by their own pain as well.
Your candles and light could be a symbol of hope they hold onto and cherish.

[cursive galleon]

With the qg I put down my base theory already, they sacrificed themselves so the others could ascend. There maybe needs some kind of physical bond to the real world or else the memory would fade, and the qg does that for them, but the cost is they can't ascend themselves.

[rigid mural]

Questgiver sacrificing themselves to summon a constellation for a short while so everyone else can ascend 🥺

[slim vigil]

I finished ||eden ||recently, and started theorizing, what if the shiny-boi we see before going to ||Orbit ||is the king! It sounds crazy I know, but think about it, Prophecy's ending cut scene showed what looked like a Star/Winged Light ascend and wear The Kings crown, with other ancestors spirits (not elders) dead since they couldn't finish the trials. Since the Elders are alive and are followed by their subjects its safe to assume this is probably before the Stars fell, and that Shiny-boi is the first Prince, but completing the trials would have earned him the right to be crowned king. Now, based on Tom Zhao's backstory timeline which says that the dark stones of the ancestors curse The King's crown and trap him in the storm, it would fit that the allegedly named "Dark Room" is the king's prison. That would explain the shock he expresses when we hug him, and the first term to express us which was Descendants, makes sense. We are not the king nor is he us, but we are what he couldn't be. That also explains why only a sky kid can go to ||eden ||since we are the ones who carry the light. That was my Ted talk, sorry if someone else said this first ill delete it if the original theorizer says so.

[neat flint]

I can see that questgivers and elders have things in common

[nimble ingot]

To answer the WL in the realms total, here is the tally (you can skip this paragraph to get right to the totals.
*Dawn - 5 in main area, 4 in cave of Prophecy
*Day - 3 in butterfly fields, 2 in caves, 3 in village, 1 in 8-player puzzle, 2 on the temple, 2 in bird nest, 8 in sanctuary island
*Forest - 2 in first area, 4 in forest brook, 2 in sunny forest, 4 in underground cavern, 3 in boneyard, 1 in area after temple, 2 in treehouse (season area)
*Valley - 3 in first area and ice rink, 2 in citadel, 1 in first sliding race, 2 in second flying race, 1 in final stretch of race, 1 in coliseum, 1 in the temple, 3 in dream village, 2 in hermit peaks
*Wasteland - 2 in first area near broken temple, 2 in forgotten ark, 2 in temple with the first krill, 4 in graveyard, 3 in shipwreck, 2 in battlefield, 1 in temple
*Vault - 1 in first floor, 3 in starry desert, 2 in archive, 1 in third floor (the tree one), 2 fourth floor (cosmic mantas and islands), 1 in fifth floor, 1 in sixth floor
*Eden - 1 in first structure, 9 in pnr tunnel

In total there are: 9 in Dawn, 21 in Day, 18 in forest, 16 in Valley, 16 in Wasteland, 11 in Vault, 10 in Eden
So, all WL in all realms are **101 **(102, if you have been to Orbit)
With Wing buffs, the maximum possible winged light is 180if you have been playing the game from the very start, and 178if you have been playing since Android's release.

To clarify, I meant to be turned into stone, petrification. Eden is a harsh place for both skykids and humans, with have no way of escaping the place without dying.

[nimble ingot]

please do not delete it.
You are pretty much on the same track as other people that theorised this.
Welcome to the Lorechat! Where there be Theories galore.

The chat is not all serious and strict. The only part of the game that is off limits is any beta content. If it is not in live, it is a spoiler that is not allowed.

[cursive galleon]

Also, a bit less a theory more an observation: in Wasteland, the plants and krill have a kinda symbiotic relationship. The plants are protected from being burned by skids by the Krill and it lures said skids to the open for the krill.

Unless we get into my giant mess of krill theories then it doesn't matter much and the krill don't really get anything out of it.

[nimble ingot]

I can how that is a thing.
Though digress a bit on how the krill would be protecting the plants.
Krill dont tend to become more aggressive when a skykid is about to burn, or is burning, or after burning away a plant. I wont count their unreliable behaviour as them being protective, rather than their AI bugging around and causing them to clip into terrain unnecessarily, and looking around randomly.

It would be interesting to see how the dark plants were to expanded in future updates. Such as seeing how do they regrow so quickly everyday, how do they drain the landscape of life, and if they would be able to retaliate when a skykid comes along to burn it away.

One idea I like to include in my fanon is the pumpkin pod as like seed pods. When they are burned, they explode and either damage light creatures nearby, corrupts them, replants and spreads out or even the whole plant emits a screaming sound to attract other creatures (like the krill).

[rigid mural]

Like a mandrake ?

[upbeat rampart]

Oh, I see. Okay! I'll keep in mind, error from my part then (must check where I subtracted one from).

Thanks for the clarification!

[nimble ingot]

lol, its ok. I had to look them up after missing some of them too.
There are a lot of WL, and likely more coming after every season.
This in a way can suggest how skykids are getting stronger as they explore more and meet more spirits.

[hushed steeple]

I remember reading in the lore doc that that darkness plants and blooms take some light away from you as you burn them. In the game, I noticed that when you're burning the darkness, you can see red extensions at the rim of your cape. Kinda wondering how to interpret that.

I also noticed that while lighting up diamonds and technology, there is a green extension to the last wedge of your cape. Could all of this be related?

[nimble ingot]

the green and red markers I think are the game's way of indicating how your candle is interacting with certain objects.
To be honest, I am not entirely sure how well they work other than while opening the eden gate.
I use that indicator to see how long to light up a diamond, and see if it is fully activated before moving on to the next diamond.
Other than that, yes the red markers do appear when burning the plant, though I have not noticed how the plant is affecting the light of a skykid other than that visual. It does not seem to be able to drawn a skykid's cape on contact (fortunately), and the indicator feels a little bit redundant when paired up with the whole section of the plant lighting up while you are burning it.

It is still a good observation, @hushed steeple .
This is mostly related to the UI (User Interface) of the game to the player and does not feel like it has any other impact on the game from a lore standpoint.
If it has, then the player's own hands (also the blue tutorial ones would have to be included too.

[rigid mural]

You might wanna check out Tearful Light Miner's memory, a spirit they talk to has a plant growing from them.

[rigid mural]

Oh no I just thought you would find it interesting lol

[nocturne timber]

Hi

[agile vector]

Hey, so I have an Enchantment theory. So the season had six quests and each one had a different color of light. (I think) They were Earth, Air, Fire, Water, Magic/Light, and Darkness. That’s what I think the symbols were on the season artwork. Now, a big storm came and wiped out the ship and it’s crew. But, before it did, the artwork on the ship looks like they delivered the lights to different places. So look at the first four names of the lights I said. Water, Earth, Air, and Fire. Those are the names of the four trials. So! My theory is that the Enchantment spirits delivered the four lights to the Prophecy caves and then to some of the other realms. (The artwork on the Prophecy walls depicts the elders each having a certain light) So that’s how each of the realms got their geography/traits and how the trails came to be. The darkness (after the big storm) got released and helped spread all of the bad stuff around. The purple light (magic/light) I’m not exactly sure on yet. I don’t know if it is those things or if it’s something else.

[nimble ingot]

@agile vector
#lore-discussion-spoilers message
#lore-discussion-spoilers message
There has been some debate about the season of enchantment paired with the season of prophecy.
I love seeing old theories get revisited, they help shed new light on them, let people elaborate on them, and can open new interpretations of them.
Hope these help.

[hushed steeple]

This is interesting
What if we compiled the murals from the Prophecy caves and the Ark area? Like meet in-game, get the screenshots, and put a compilation here?

[rigid mural]

I'm down

[sharp lichen]

If so, what do you think came first?

Anyways, since chat got Krilled, it’s theory time! The question for you to answer is: Why do you think us Skykids were placed in the world? What is the main thing we are supposed to do, and have we done it?

[sharp lichen]

Also, I interpreted the purple orb to be knowledge (“it [purple light] is said they hold ancient secrets” and it’s found in vault).

Also, in the prophecy murals the corresponding realm for each element is different than the realm each orb is found.

[agile vector]

I think it was probably the Enchantment crew. I feel like they came from a different place/country on their boat and then just spread their lights to other places. Then they found the caves and the Prophecy guide and gave the lights to him. Then the four other prophecy spirits came and then BAM! The Four Trials

[sharp lichen]

Here’s what I think: the crew studied under the Prophets (I find the Prophecy spirits to be extremely old), and the Prophets gave them each of the 4 orbs. The 6th orb was given to them by the Forest elder (the exact place where you find it has lots of birds and butterflies) and the 5th orb was given to them by the Vault elder. They then explored the Sky kingdoms (maybe they tried to restore the Golden Wasteland?), but crashed, and the orbs wandered off to their most suitable places (blue orb went to a place filled with water, purple orb went to Vailt, etc).

[agile vector]

Wow, that also works really well! I love how we all have different points of view and different kinds of theories. Man some Sky things are so confusing lol.

[sharp lichen]

Welcome to #lore-discussion-spoilers. The land of interpretations, ridiculous theories, and waiting months for no concrete information. They’re gonna make a cool Sky novel that explains everything then say that it’s not canon

[agile vector]

I bet lol 🤣

[sharp lichen]

And people think that Sky lore is simple...

[opal briar]

What’s new in lore ?

[nimble ingot]

counting winged light, and comparing lore from season of Enchantment and season of Prophecy.
@hushed steeple wants to make a compilation of both season's murals, and @rigid mural has joined in.

[opal briar]

Ohh the murals on the ship and in the cave?

[nimble ingot]

yup

[opal briar]

I like it , big overall images would be amazing

And welcome @rigid mural

[high bison]

One day you will light your last candle
(This ruined my day so now it’s gonna ruin all yours too )

[opal briar]

Oh..oh no

That makes me think of ..”who’ll keep your flame ,who’ll tell you’re story?..”
Hamilton

[hushed steeple]

and when my time is up, have i done enough, will they tell my story- sorry, came when i saw hamilton .

[tame grotto]

@compact shale I don’t have a picture of the golden statues, I do have the other king depictions though.

[compact shale]

Hmmmm... maybe the Wasteland statues represent the King as the commander of the war against dark creatures, which took place in Wasteland. Or potentially, they represented the King at his peak.

But the Vault statues show the King in his last moments, or at least in my starfall theory (the King commanded the citizens to provide light for his light orb, which was, to the public, an "Ultimate Offering" to Megabird, when in reality, the King wanted to use it to try and become a god. But when he swallowed the orb, the light corrupted inside of him, creating an explosion that started the starfall)

[tame grotto]

oh wow

[icy spruce]

LOOK, ITS KING TURRETS

[sharp lichen]

But why?? Do irl people shape jet bombers like Queen Elizabeth’s hair?

[icy spruce]

King Propaganda ofc, and King wants to show how majestical he is

Oh ya, where are my 300 hearts

[neat flint]

Where are my hearts

[sharp lichen]

Ah... king pastaganda. look at my discord profile now

[icy spruce]

Still don’t get your wacky theory of ‘Prophets created the world’ but whatever

[sharp lichen]

i mean, the murals shown before the prophecy cave shows the 4 elements having large powers on the world, so it's not too farfetched to think that the prophets (or a similar entity with the power of the elements) could have at least taken part in the creation of the world

[icy spruce]

Mmmm, I doubt they can create the world even tho the elements are powerful. We see them only create some kind of imaginary-subconscious place tho (prolly with the elements) but not a place that is not imaginary-subconscious-whatever

[sharp lichen]

Eh, at least they definitively created something, far more evidence than Megabird

[icy spruce]

Fair point, Megan doesn’t rlly have any canon lore present

[sharp lichen]

that's the problem: so less canon lore that extremely tiny events can cause someone to believe heavily and overexxagerate those events

[icy spruce]

Agree

Anyways, King is still #1

[sharp lichen]

In terms of characters he's 5th (the top 4 is Prince, Dreams Skater, Daleth, and Lamed), but in coolness he's obviously 1st

[crimson grove]

Gentle reminder this channel is for discussions on lore. Please take inside jokes and/or off-topic ones to DMs

[hushed steeple]

Recap: @rigid mural and myself are collecting and compiling murals of the Prophecy cave and Enchantment Ark.

I present to you a collection of murals at Forgotten Ark.

Vela, if you would, would you please do the Prophecy cave? And if you need help, ping me here

Enchantment murals part 1

[hushed steeple]

Enchantment murals part 2

[slate saffron]

Heya! Sorry to interject, but if it's alright I'd like to ask a few questions as I'm a bit confused on your theory as (to me atleast) it seems to be based off of things that rely a lot more on how you interpret them then how they're directly shown. Atleast from what I can tell about the murals you brought up they only seem to really show the location of the magic/elements/glowy-thingys found in each trials and nothing about if said Magic/elements/spooky-shiny-stuff are fundamentally important to the world's creation or existence although in my mind it's definitely implied that those elements are important to the Kingdom's establishment and the crowning of the Prince. Beyond that it's kinda hard to see the Prophets being responsible for the creation of the world using the elements since (atleast by what we can observe in the murals) there already seems to be environments around the magic/elements which shouldn't be the case if the murals are supposed to show how the world was created. It also kinda discards the significance of the ||wing|| shown near the end of the credits in ||orbit|| that is (assumed) to be the ||Megabird||.

[upbeat rampart]

It's neat! However, question, what do you think of wax being on white candles? In the Elder's parts after Prairie, and even the singular tree in Vault?

[frozen pivot]

frog

[upbeat rampart]

[My theory]

We were placed to free those souls which remain, I suppose, that's the main thing anyways. An also important task which they could have been given (but not necessarily) making Krills into a more light purified creature and bring the place back to normal.

The latter seems far-fetched--it's probably more of a hope than anything. About the spirits? Yes...ish.

Spirits are divided into three categories:

1. Seasonal

2. Normal, basic

3. Others (n/a for reliving) [idea came thanks to Skychaeologist]

4. Seasonal spirits. They require you to relive them, and that makes them ascend (I suppose). Them coming back as a a TS isn't a hc for me--to the skykids they're probably on the tree in which you relive them, much like the ones with graves.

5. Basic/normal: They need to be relived too, but they're going to stay. Difference between seasonal and normal spirits in game is that seasonal don't have a grave, normal ones do.

6. N/a for reliving: They had already ascended. For instance, in shipwreck, Vault 4p door left where there's one white candle in front of each grave, and the valley sides.

Our task is to make the first two ascend. And I think we've done it decent so far if you relived them all, at least the basic ones. The seasonal ones are still incoming so you're not done yet with them

Fixing realms will probably be our second priority if we relived all the spirits and when seasonal places come to an "end", perhaps, because the main quest is over.

[harsh pecan]

Returning spirits to the stars???

[hushed steeple]

I love lore

[frozen pivot]

the entire gameplay is that very purpose: wake, fall, meet, save and ascend back.

since rebirth's apparently a part of it, i only speculated about rebuilding since i didnt see any other purpose after the first one which is supposed to be the end game. seems to have catched up here too. it doesnt really have grounds either; far fetched

everything ingame, storywise, is laid out progressively from isle to eden. that in itself tells alot about why were sent down in the first place even without the cinematics.

[neat flint]

What would happen if we break the loop (if it ever happens )

[rigid mural]

Oh I thought we would meet in-game 😔 Well I got some old pics of the Prophecy cave so I will get them here today

[frozen pivot]

by breaking the loop, if u mean not going along and ascending, then ur basically stuck unless the light calls u back up for some reason

even when u die outside of stormlock, they just yeet u back down, prolly game mechs but its kinda funny

iirc u dont even get to hang out in orbit

[undone cedar]

Imagine your friend going to Eden and they didn't come back for a week

[heady sequoia]

the wasteland army, whatever they did, they were really successful
there's only 5 krill in wasteland (I think? i cant count)

[undone cedar]

8 as I remember
Not sure if the one who came when the gate open count

[heady sequoia]

still very little :)

[undone cedar]

Seems like one krill managed to get into Starlight Desert though

[heady sequoia]

they're the snake because snakes dont exist in teh sky world
i dont think they count

[undone cedar]

Not sure bout they counted as the snake though
Feel like the krill represent smth else

But that part gives me a short scare

[heady sequoia]

in the theory that sky represents stages of life, they represent the people who put you down, maybe a cruel boss or a robber i dont really know, maybe even society

Do you know the manta who finds us in forest, and follows us until wasteland? That's the same one who gets krilled. I think it's a way to show the message "Sometimes people will join you in life. You both will be put down, and sometimes those people won't get up. Despite everything, you must move on."

[rigid mural]

I like to think krill represent trauma; something you can't burn down like plants or handle like crabs.

[heady sequoia]

I get that one, but that's...dark

[undone cedar]

It funny because I took sky as funne chaotic adventure game with friends but then I decided to see people's theories and lore

[hushed steeple]

@rigid mural I'm so sorry! It did occur to me to exchange codes, but I'm really hesitant to do so because between time zones and my schedule, it can be really hard to settle on a time. I'm so sorry if I hurt you in any way.

[heady sequoia]

i instantly knew how dark the game lore was when i first saw eden
it just..radiated that vibe

[rigid mural]

Whoa relax, I don't have any negative feelings towards you
Will tag you when I post the pics tho !

[nimble ingot]

It is a shame that krill wont stick around.
Anytime I visit the place hoping to spot the dark beast in the distance, it wont show up unless someone in that instance had completed the quest.
The same thing happens to the lonesome cosmic manta flying high above the desert.

I believe @heady sequoia is correct with the krill playing the part of the snake for the storyline of the Little Prince.
@undone cedar may also be on to something as the krill has other lore based implication in sky.
Granted a collab means most of the lore in there would be thrown out of the window as references to the book (ex. the little prince himself, the characters in the story, and the absence of the pilot himself, even though his plane is in the secret place via the asteroid cape). Though there could be some useful hints to take from the season, even though it is slim pickings.

Just to name a few off the top of my head, the prince being human, gave insightful clue in Eden that the place is not only deadly to all life (since there are only statues and sky kids to be seen in that area) and the place is cold. Another fact the season spirits may have had more interactions with non-season spirits outside of their seasons, as seen with the soldier being seen with other wasteland/warrior themed spirits. And lastly, the fact that the season integrated parts of the book into the game, other outside influences can have more of an impact when linked to the lore of the game. Even though those parallels could already be drawn before the season, now they can be further justified as guidelines to the lore (examples include real life religions, cultures and even philosophy).

[rigid mural]

@hushed steeple
Part 1, the elements. Entrance of the cave.

Part 2, the story. Within the cave, without triggering the cutscenes.

Part 3, the journey, screenshots from the cutscene.

On the second pic of part 2, I find it interesting to note the presence of falling stars. Had to fight with the camera hence the wierd angle.

[nimble ingot]

These are looking great, @rigid mural
Fantastic job 🙂

[rigid mural]

Perhaps the elders fell as the prince/king was taking on the trials. This would explain why the ancestors might have had both "gods" (the elders) and a prince/king. Perhaps the prince/king gifted them the elemental powers as crutches for their lost star powers in exchange for their favor.

[nimble ingot]

perhaps?
The elders fell and then settled in their respective kingdoms.
Given how the vault and part of Eden is seen in the last prophecy mural: #lore-discussion-spoilers message
The Elders might have already fallen before the prince arrived.

[rigid mural]

Or maybe the last mural represents the kingdom at its peak and the vault got built by then.

...hey look here.

[nimble ingot]

That could be a good idea. The mural before the last did show a mountain, so perhaps the kingdoms were completed at different times.?

[rigid mural]

I think this is not the vault, this is Eden.

These murals, they are prophecies right ? Meaning that these are predictions and perhaps should be taken figuratively as well.

[agile vector]

I mean since it is prophecy it could mean that there is a Prince/King to come again. Just a thought

[rigid mural]

Not really, the prophecy already happened by the time sky kids walk the lands.

[nimble ingot]

Season of Prophecy is a based on the past that made a prediction, which is our present.
That or they did prophecies something, it came true and we are now seeing the aftermath.

[nimble ingot]

yup, that is vault, and the spires on the outside is Eden.

[rigid mural]

When I first did the trials, I thought the golden stickman was supposed to be us, and the prophets predicted us succeeding and using our strengths (symbolized by the elements) to bring light back to the kingdom and elders.
But now I'm not so sure, we see the Forest Elder use Water to summon rain in forest, which, by the time we enter the cave (which requires forest spirits to get in) we know is already there...

_ _
Perhaps it's a bit of both ? The prince/king (can I just say Alef) may have gone on a road trip with several other ancestors to deliver elemental powers to weak elders, and we sky kids are following these ancient footsteps to bring light back to the realms and Eden.

[nimble ingot]

In the present, it is the skykids doing the trails to become stronger (how this is the case is if you tried to skip quests, there would be a spirit gate saying you are not yet strong enough to do it).
The spirits did not seem to be able to survive the trails, though attempted them anyway. So that clues in that the chosen one of the trails could either be the first skykid, or the prince.
The reason why I am referring to both skykid and prince separately for the time being is until there are stronger ties that can link skykids to the prince, or the elders.
Even if the skykids can glow, and the prince is of similar size to skykids, there might be more lore for it in the future.

[rigid mural]

I like to think Sky history revolves in cycles like a wheel. Rise, peak, fall, ruins, healing, rise, peak, fall... ad infinitum. Perhaps for a time Alef was the new hope like Sky kids currently are, until they fell.

[hushed steeple]

Why do I feel like the Prince is a benevolent character and the King is a malevolent character
Also a headcanon that I need evidence for: could the Prince be…us? Or at least, are Skykids created in the image of the Prince, and with his benevolence in us?

[agile vector]

There are many theories on why/how the Sky children came to be. But that actually does make some sense. I’m just still trying to figure out WHO created us.

[sharp lichen]

Well, we all have differing theories on the Sky world! And although there is a large image of Megabird in the credits, it’s difficult to say anything beyond speculation on it. Meanwhile, the Prophets creating the trials show some mastery of the elements they use, which is better than nothing.

[nimble ingot]

The most likely answer would be the Megabird.

Its presence is represented by the chiming of bells, the golden colour similar to that of a flame, flight and light.
The skykid arrives at home, and is guided by bells to start their journey in Dawn, and then the other realms. As the skykid travels farther, they bells are less and less present al the way up to Orbit, where once again you hear bells chiming and a ginormous portal that takes you home.
Personally, I digress from the home is not real debate, due to the lack of indicators.
There are signs of life with the fish, spirits can visit the skykid in home, other skykids can interact with each other similar to a social area, and the place plays a significant role in the plot. It is where they are born, where they return to and where their journey started.

[ocean kraken]

So u think this is in eden? I think its in this cave itself

wait, vault?

[slate saffron]

Yes, but doesn't the memories of the Prophets teaching their students in each area before their respective trials also show their mastery of their given elements in a way that makes more sense then them creating the world of sky?

[sharp lichen]

We don't see much in the spirit memories, though, just the Prophets showing the students the Prophecy emotes. Although they are connected to the elements in some way, it's only symbolic.

[half shadow]

The prophecy murals are really why I like the idea of all of the Skykids made up of pieces of the Prince/King’s soul along with the children of light, meaning that while the King isn’t necessarily around anymore, their presence is still in the game in a very real way.

[nimble ingot]

each memory gives us a glimpse of their training, something that reminds me of a field day. It would be very interesting if one were to look at the whole class and see if any of them would not appear in any memory specifically. Because that might be the chosen one, lol.

Water spirit taught patience, calmness and breathing exercises. Earth taught ~~balance ~~ resilience and getting over one's mistakes (perseverance, perhaps?). Air taught ~~strength ~~ balance and flexibility (or acrobatics). And Fire taught bravery and strength.

[sharp lichen]

interesting, and maybe the training could also involve the trials? sort of like a final exam? but they either opted out or died

[nimble ingot]

seems like it, the trails does let the player know how they face the challenge and overcome them.
Water - Patience, Earth - Resilience (my mistake on earlier), Air - Balance and Fire - Bravery.

[orchid jolt]

Something I've been thinking about is where the butterflies in wasteland went (graveyard)... I thought it was just a bug at first but its been a while and hasnt been fixed

[nimble ingot]

I agree. I miss them 😦
Should they be reported as a bug?
OR can staff confirm?

[harsh pecan]

It’s most likely Eden

Chat died

[pastel brook]

Fineeee, gather around the bonfire, I'm going to play a lullaby for you!

[heady sequoia]

thatskybruh!!! it's been so long since we last saw you here

[sharp lichen]

Oh, Skybot’s demeanor is something to berate!
And he’s such a beacon of anger and hate!
Everything possible is wrong about him!
His negativity and madness is filled to the brim!
Ohhhh, Skybot’s still a menace to have around
Also I would like to beat him into ground!
Yeah, he’s the worst bot and he shouldn’t get a raise!
Even if his personality allows for no praise !
Ohhhh, Skybot should really be pounded by a mace!

[lofty void]

baudshaw what

[upbeat rampart]

Pretty much. And in the end of the trials when we glow, it was like we fused with shiny kid and now are less prone to death than they were

[harsh pecan]

what lmao

[pulsar tulip]

Do you think there’s any speech involved in the world of sky? Or are the spirits and elders mute and only communicate via emote?

[heady sequoia]

I think they can speak, but honks instead of words
like us sky kids

[hushed steeple]

I think the world of Sky is nonverbal
Very few things are written out, and even then, it's not really communication between the Skykids and the spirits, it's communication to tell the player what to do

[pale mason]

Considering there’s a writing system (as evidenced by Vault cutscene) i think Sky have their own language aside from emotes and honking. But maybe our pure skykids don’t understand them.

Another angle to look at is maybe academics are only for rich people/high status. So the lower class might be illiterate

[nimble ingot]

we start glowing before we reach the winged light.
As if the trails has made the skykid strong enough to overcome the trail's main obstacles.
One minor issue though is how when the skykid redoes the trail, they have to prove themselves again before they are imbued with power to withstand the obstacles again.

As for the verbal language of sky, one can assume there is one, though the game does not show it.
The characters in general do not have mouths, they can gesture to things and there are instances where one can assume they are talking, though perhaps this is the game's way of leaving it to the player's interpretation of what would be said. For example, the lumberjack might have had to explain his mistake, the scolding student would had something to say to the baffled botanist and so on.

If anything, one of the very few creatures to have a mouth that can be seen, is the whale creature.

[undone cedar]

Sometimes I hear a little honk when I send my messages to my friends

[nimble ingot]

Whenever you send a message, your skykid does a little honk at times.

[undone cedar]

It's kinda cute
Thought it makes me think they don't actually communicate verbally

[nimble ingot]

Personally, chat does make communicating with players convenient, though when two or more players are together and cannot understand one another, then they default to the chiming and gestures to communicate some things. There are players that seem to go by with gestures and chiming, unless they need to say something and the other player can understand them.

A skykid's chime sound is similar to the visual 'bubble' from a bell's chime sound. Perhaps while the skykid can alter the pitch or sound of their chimes to imitate other things (human, bird, fish, manta, crab, jellyfish and cosmic manta), the sound they make is not a perfect imitation.

If the ancestors could speak, I really wonder what they would sound like. Even though the game does not show it, or cannot show it.

[nimble ingot]

Out of curiosity, how do you communicate to players?
Assuming you would use chat when you can, but when you are with a friend that does not have chat, or cannot understand you, what do you usually do?

[hushed steeple]

Before i unlock the chat (wich is super usefull) i use emotes to communicate with friends and strangers. In fact, they play many expressions or emotions through your avatar. For exemple, when i guide a moth, it's very easy to point at things, ask for his/her help, teach him/her things to do or not... If you add the stances, you have a whole body language that people can easily understand.

[nimble ingot]

awesome 🙂
I wonder, would it be cool to offer help to players?
Similar to a new player enabling the guide option for players to help them, but instead it is other players offering help.

[undone cedar]

I usually use emotes for them

Sometimes honks works I guess

[rugged barn]

This just popped into my head.

I wonder if corrupted skykid exist. Like they got shards from maybe a krill who spotted them and took their winged light. Or those whose light was different and they have special abilities...

[undone cedar]

I don't think they exist in-game

But I see a lot of that in other people's lore

[rugged barn]

I'm just questioning since krill do have debris and I wonder if at one point a skykid got hurt and the debris get into their body and they had no choice but to got the krill ability

[hushed thistle]

They are not exactly in game but this was in Tom Zhao’s illustration website! The unlighted child ghost or indifferent should be a similar thing

[rugged barn]

Thanks but I can't exactly read the text. Do you have any clear version?

[hushed thistle]

Ah it is clear in my screen🤭 discord problems

I got it straight from the website so I don’t have a better version sorry💦

[rugged barn]

Then send me the link? I can probably read it from the original post

[hushed thistle]

https://www.tomzhao.com/sky1 here!!
ahh god slow mode why…

[rigid mural]

The old elder cutscenes had some of them make sounds akin to a voice. Most notable are the prairie elder gasp and the gw elder... grunts ? With the volume up, you can also catch forest elder (as they levitate the diamond up) and valley elders (as they gather the birds) humming.

Ancestors make some sort of cry to get your attention when you're straying too far away from them or do a honk to locate them during their memories I think.

[nimble ingot]

what? Oh I am going to scour the YouTube videos for that. 👀

Also, would like to see if that is true.
I know there is this sort of ethereal 'whistling' or cry sound from memories to help you find them whenever you lose sight.

[upbeat rampart]

Minute detail but I was always bothered that in whatever stance (in eden), the hands still peeks out of the cape.

Which would mean our skykid is like--trying to conserve their power a lot while moving forward because it is said to be a cold place and because of Eden.

Just a small thing I realised, really

[twilit blade]

Why do Skykids make crab-like noises when they struggle against something (i.e trying to get through closed doors, trying to jump over very tall obstacles)? Is this simply comedic game design or was it on purpose?

[nimble ingot]

true, for such harsh winds, and seemingly cold temperatures for such a high up place. It makes sense for the skykid to adjust to the environment, either to keep their light safe, or steady themselves while climbing the mountain.
I wonder though if one day there would places on the way to the top, similar to the social area at the very start, where skykids can take shelter from the dangers and relax.
Eden is one of the few places with the least amount of light/charging spots. Which may force newer players to save their light. But when they have access to a charging propr, of have friends nearby to help, they can try to fly in Eden.
I understand how flying in Eden is not a simple feat to pull of at first, but once you get the hang of it, I would really like to see a place for players with enough experience to test their skills.
Something like a labyrinth, or a wind tunnel for skykids to fly through or use to escape krill and other hostile creatures.

[nimble ingot]

you mean that slip sound effect they do when they are on an edge and you try to urge them off?
If so, then I can see how that squeek sound is similar to that of a crab. It is mostly an indicator to you, the player, for the skykid trying to either slip off an edge, or not able to walk onto a surface even if you try to get them to jump or skip off something they can stand on to something skykid thinks they cannot.

[upbeat rampart]

It is meant to be cold I suppose, though I am not really sure. (Well, side question-type-realisation, would light depletion by red rocks mean that they are very cold instead, and depicted in red not for warmth but danger?)
Additionally, yes, the winds do seem to be powerful, as well as the rocks which depletes the skykid when in contact. Understandably so.

And also as people here had said, krills detect skykids when they're on light. So all these three factors combined (krills, rocks [both red and hard hit ones] and the temperature), it'd be natural for the skykids to make sure their light stays more intact.

A wind tunnel might help, but I suppose it would need some sort of moderation, at least a bit, because then it'd be less challenging. Which actually leads to another question: Would the krills see Skykids through the clouds?

[nimble ingot]

Logically, a place so high up as Eden would be freezing. Though since Sky can side step most laws of reality, that and the lack of snow makes determining that fact hard to prove on its own. That is why the little prince shivering in Eden really helps with confirming that fact.

Also, the wind tunnels could be very dangerous if the skykid accidently goes down the wrong one, or flies into red rocks lining the sides, or might even run into krill or other dark creatures that could have made a part of the pipe system their lair.
All in all, the pipes would be a nice and convenient hiding place, but would still have dangerous encounters hidden inside.

[upbeat rampart]

Additional fact that I found (because I just went to an Eden run) is that the red rock rain in pnr happens only if you start moving. If you're taking shelter, then it does not hit on the surface yet. What makes them do that?

Definitely wouldn't lie that I thought of someone purposefully tossing (...well throwing hard) those red rocks whenever skykids come near. Or it's natural and they kind of throw themselves on spot (like crumble, if you will) whenever they come across a light creature. But I still can't see why there isn't a red rock rain 24/7 instead solely because of the Skykid's presence and instead chooses to be timed to when the skykid steps out of their comfort zones usually.

[upbeat rampart]

I suppose snow cannot reach that place any longer--it's higher than clouds but not higher than the wind (but I have no scientific knowledge if it is true so I would have to check up on that--whether it could be possible or not).

That could be a nice alternative admittedly, but would red rocks attach itself to clouds? Besides I'm not really sure whether you see clouds up in Eden (or maybe I missed, surely could be the case)

Edit: You can have winds above clouds apparently.
Indeed there is wind above the clouds. Wind stops around 5-11 miles above the ground, in the stratosphere. Up to that point there are winds.

[rigid mural]

Tested it in the office, krills can see you through clouds.

[rigid mural]

Not sure if it's a bug but in some spots of Eden you can spot a blue sky through the clouds.

[upbeat rampart]

Blue Sky?

[rigid mural]

Yeah, there's holes in the clouds and from the right angle, the sky is blue.

[nimble ingot]

I like that theory!
Though think that might be a timed event you happen to have fallen into while testing it out.
Staying in a safe spot does not make the rocks stop, the waves of falling red rocks have a pattern to them. Sometimes, they might hesitate or even speed up, though that is uncommon and might be caused by the internet connection or the server syncing up with another instance.
Whenever you find a good rhythm, you can get around that place effectively. Though if you get too cocky, you will get hit hard by a wave of red rocks. 😦
[edit about no snow, you have a good point. If Eden is higher than the clouds and it is rock rain weather, there would not be any snow. Goodness, I wonder if Eden would have snow if not for the storm, it could have looked majestic! Though you are right, no snow, just painful rocks.]

As for the blue sky @rigid mural, it is not a bug but a minor oversight. Some places in Eden will trigger the sky to change colour. The blue sky usually triggers when you are in the cave. You can even see the shift when you look at the entrance of the pnr tunnel and either head deeper inside to see bluish white clouds, or back to the opening for everything to shift to reddish darkness.

[rigid mural]

I am really interested in the geography of Eden tbh. I recall that concept map of the world of Sky where the realms are arranged in a spiral around Eden; my theory is that it's entirely possible this was kept and the sky kids are using the winds from the storm to travel the realms, hence the impression of a linear and fluid path where the winds conveniently guide you to the Light.

Posted this here already but here's a thing I made so my point is clearer.

[upbeat rampart]

I tried to be safe (note that this was before the rock rain) by staying close to the <lamps>*. They hardly came near me, especially in the very beginning.

But as I went forward, yes, it seemed more hard on the Skykid. I remember rushing out to give wl to a stonekid without a <lamp> nearby and lost roughly 3 wl. When I went forward and lit another <lamp> and took shelter, the rocks seemed to hardly approach, if at all reach out to me (yes I took defense, but I feel sure if I stepped out of there I would have lost about 5 wl). Then went out and tried to give light and the red rocks suddenly seemed to come out of (probably) nowhere again and lost some wl there as well.

[Rock rain is another whole area which is just chaos, not that area. I suppose it went wild since the diamond is more close there]

*the stone carving objects which you see in pnr which resembles the "return back" area; wherein you place your light just to be safe with the wl you have instead of losing them rapidly

*Edit: ran pnr again, and yes, safe spot included

[nimble ingot]

Oh you mean the safe spots?
Then you are correct with the rocks never reaching them because they are shielded by derby and crumbling walls.
While some are very convenient and safe, others are but exposed and you can still get hit by rocks despite taking cover.

[upbeat rampart]

Well yes, safe spots with the lamps. The red rocks doesn't reach there often in comparison to giving the stonekids our wl in the middle of the place.

Now I seem to have a sudden theory of King's soul fusing (at least partly--the corrupted one) to the diamond. Probably ridiculous but the rock rain pattern does make me think of that; as if they're just throwing it to tease skykids in a way. I don't really have evidence so there's that

[nimble ingot]

If the rain were to only fall if a skykid is in sight of the diamond, then it could be sentient enough to hurl rocks at skykids only when it sees them.
Though this is not the case, even though it would be a fun idea to entertain.

The storm is likely more of a natural disaster that pours down the rock rain in waves. With storms in real life, rain would not just be a constant down pour, or an even blanket of water falling from the sky. Real life storms is a torrent of clouds that release water. Because of the wind and the clouds being an inconsistent mass, the rain would pour down in waves or in bursts.
In Eden, the rain is not just a series of stops and go's. It is a chaotic storm where you have to pay attention to where the rocks are raining down and where it is relatively safe enough to move.

The king could be very likely trapped in the diamond, though as far as I know about sky lore, it is one of the biggest mysterious that is still debated and theorised about.

[rigid mural]

The loss of wl to the rock rain in the final part of red Eden is proportional to how much you have left; at 130 I lost about 4-5 when I wasn't careful, at 80 (usually I reach the permanent rock rain at that point) I lost 2-3 and below 40 I usually lost only one or two.

I suppose this was implemented as a mechanic so moths don't get discouraged by their low wl count and older players face a challenge and don't have to wait ages to die and go on the next part, so not sure this could be used for lore.

[rigid mural]

As for the whereabouts of the king, the details about him are voluntarily vague.

All the devs confirmed was that the Eden Elder is no longer around to be saved.

The only depiction we are sure is of that Eden Elder is in that vault cutscene where they're seen holding an orb in front of Eden after we saw the other elder constellations.
I'd like to note the crown, which is the original simplified constellation that we can also see as our favorite friends constellation, could represent both the headwear of the figure and the top of Eden.

My personal theory is that the king/seventh elder can't be in the crystal if he's no longer around to be saved; he's gone. Unlike the others that are in limbo in spirit, and whose bodies are spinning around the beam if the beta oob from 2019 is canon, the king might truly be dead. He probably got pulverized by the shock, or became the storm itself. I don't think he's an antagonist more than someone either ignorant on what he was experimenting with, hubristic or both.

[icy spruce]

nah, he’s not dead 101 percent

[rigid mural]

Also the devs said the elders know eachother but were they united ? Perhaps whatever that golden figure is from the cave of prophecy united them after a war under their banner...

[rigid mural]

Joking, denial or your own theory ? In that latter case, I'd like to see it !

[upbeat rampart]

That is true, maybe that is the case. Might record my journey from pnr onward to see if rocks are just hitting on random intervals of time or are specifically doing more when exposed instead of hiding away.

[rigid mural]

I only got krilled once on my second run as a lead of Eden, I'd totally lead you till pnr since I need training lol

[upbeat rampart]

Probably is the case. Went in with 110ish wl, lost them randomly upto 5. It's more so the pattern which seemed to be off--the rocks which aren't red striked all time but the red rocks seemed to be more when exposed.

Got krilled once as well in the second run where you climb up the pipe. Was a really hard time to be fair, there's a lot of big red rocks underneath

[rigid mural]

Next reset I could come with you beyond pnr, see how it syncs for me.

The pipe part I do no problem, it's the last krill that bothers me because the stairs are tedious to climb efficiently with the wind going around, so I become easy prey for the krill if I don't get into the corridor in time lol

[upbeat rampart]

Beyond pnr as in after death? (ascending I mean)

Pipe part is trippy mainly because of the air. It constantly ends up to be slippy and falling back and redoing the whole bit again, I'd have to admit that the last krill gets me more than I'd like to accept. Generally just go all the way back instead or let the wind control and roll by behind to escape the krill (which works like 50% of the time, seems like this krill has a better eyesight than the others, or it's just me)

Just realised we're like a sudden flash of light, I think, something equivalent to a wl we see. Could be why we don't see those coming at us after we hide in a pipe

[nimble ingot]

one good way of getting past it is doing the following:
Method 1
1 - Get to the far left pillar that is the furthest out.
2 - wait for the krill to be just above the tunnel, going from left to right.
3 - Head to the crumbling statues, mind the rocks (you wait there for a moment if need be).
4 - Then make your way up. Depending on fast the krill returns, you can even have enough time to get the wl before quick marching up tot he tunnel.

Method 2 (though might be risky...)
1 - move over to the far right, as far as you can. There will be a ledge that you can hide under.
2 - Wait for the krill is about to move from right to left (as soon as it re-emerges, and before it passes over the tunnel).
3 - Make your way quickly up there while avoiding the rocks and the wind.
4 - Make your way to the tunnel as quickly as you can, then you can slowly and carefully go back to get the wl.

Hope these help, players seem to have more success with the first method as far as I learned.

[obtuse igloo]

I noticed that when in Eden the skids are of course stance locked. The stance they stand in has them covering their eyes and holding their torso. It looks like they are holding their cores in or at least protecting . Can skids core fall out accidentally?

[upbeat rampart]

Should try the first one, always went with the second after tumbling down and gradually getting krilled once or twice on average. Corners make a decent hide though

[upbeat rampart]

I believe it's to cover their light so that they get less detected and lose less light, also survival.

Considering eden is a high, cold, windy place with krills in there too, our skykid is trying to restrict the light they give off. That's my theory tho

[upbeat rampart]

Any idea what the blue crystals are though?

[obtuse igloo]

Most likely curruption in skids, formed by the dead cores. I think since they formed off of the skids light they may be a different color.

[upbeat rampart]

Crystallized skykids' core that we find before pnr?

That's actually a great theory!

[lean kayak]

Sad xc

[rigid mural]

Hello lore chat, today I got choice screenshots. I saved best for last of course but here.

First off, have this; the bald spirit with a book that almost got crushed by the tree the apologetic lumberjack was cutting ended up dying in the tearful light miner's memory.
(the bald spirit that survived the initial cave-in doesn't have a book, so I assume they are different).

And lastly, have a screenshot of my last Eden trip. Noticed what looks like the wind vanes in prairie.

This might be a hint, if it's true and my eyes didn't deceive me, that the original structure had this part not far from an horizontal angle, which would mean the boat shape I saw earlier could be plausible

[night cliff]

Ok so, this is a callback from quite awhile back and I hope I'm not interrupting anything But- W H A-

[rigid mural]

Very faint but 0:57
https://youtu.be/pkdCC26thq8

It only goes on for a fraction of a moment but you can hear a very faint echoing sound that does sound like a voice (which you hear between 0:57 and 0:59).

Prairie and Golden Wastes are more obvious but I can't find a clip of the old forest cutscene that is neither part of a huge video nor on twitter.

[night cliff]

That's oki! Thank you for all the help tho because THIS IS SO COOL- even if it's not much, it's still really cool to me to think about how the Elders all used to make at least a little sound, and think about how they'd sound like :3

[rigid mural]

The forest elder's voice had the same echoing quality to their voice but higher pitched, as far as I recall.

[night cliff]

Ooooooooo

[lean kayak]

They have a voice?

[nimble ingot]

hi, just wanted to say that I love your profile pic.

[nimble ingot]

oh!
That is a brilliant observation 👀
welp, now I am more curious to what was that spirit. Who were they, what did they do, what would their memory be.
He looked like he was a supervisor.
Would that also explain why the crying miner was in slouching soldier's memory?
That the miner move out of forest and ended up with or around the soldier?

Thank you for taking the time to share this. This is why I love lore-chat. 🙂

[rigid mural]

TEARFUL LIGHT MINER WAS IN SLOUCHING SOLDIER'S MEMORY ?????

brb

[nimble ingot]

lol here we go again.
While you have a look in starry desert, I will be heading to Eden again to check that out. None of my screenshots had a good shot of that side. Of the ones I did manage to snag, it did show something there.
Be right back.

[rigid mural]

I think you got confused, this is a spirit with praying acolyte's hair (they don't have the navy cape though so I strongly think it's just a one-off spirit for that "my wife left me" scene).

[nimble ingot]

oh.
My apologies, I misidentified the spirit.

[rigid mural]

The regular spirits we DO see though are the and ones though !

You can even see it really is them because I gave them ascended candles and they kept those warm colors from that.

[nimble ingot]

welp, that is one way of confirming a spirit. Will keep that in mind. 🙂

[rigid mural]

Oh wait that's not the lookout scout ! That's the fainting soldier ! I misidentified a spirit too lol

_ _
Interesting to see that while the LP and Rose might not be canon, the season spirits could be, although for some reason they are... stuck in a dream (they probably didn't live here and the place could be more like an allegory of their life).

It also kinda gives material to those of us that thought a good chunk of Valley spirits were soldiers, since the bowing one is being associated with those two Golden Wastes militaries.

[nimble ingot]

Agreed. Thanks to that season, one can draw more links to other outside materials like peter pan, the pied piper of Hamelin, Pinnochio and more.

I returned from eden. I stayed out there long enough for my luck to run out and cost one winged light lol. Took that as a sign and reminder of what I am dealing with and went back home.
I'll post me findings here.

As observed in a previous expedition, the assets are severely torn up. I think what happened was since these objects are out of bounds and far away from the where the player can see them, vertices were deleted or torn out while building the level. Unfortunately, where the tower was, the one that looked like the fish/bird pillar (the weathervane as I like to call it), is a bundle of broken assets that looked like the tower from a distance.
Despite that, I did take better screenshots and can now share them here.

Since slowmode is a thing, please be patient with the 13 images that will come up every minute or so.

This shows those pillars off to the left of the pnr tunnel, where the krill would turn around to go left to right.
I wondered if they had any symbols on top, but they were just broken pieces.

@rigid mural
This is closest I can get of the weathervane seen on the far right of the ship.
Again keep in mind that I am not suggesting that this disproves your theory. In fact, I think there is a good chance that this is/was a boat. Never mind the bias, I am determined to find more evidence to support this.

These towers remind me a bit of the valley towers. Though these are badly crumbling away.

This might be the best shot of the left side I can get.
To achieve this is to go to the pnr tunnel while OOB, then try not to get too close to the playable area outside the tunnel, then the sky will stay blue and help see better details.

[rigid mural]

I KNOW RIGHT
The buildings in Eden and the beginning of wastelands look sooo much like Valley.

Also, king. I wish the lantern was available on switch already 😔

[nimble ingot]

I am glad skykid do not need to breath. The amount of debris in the air cannot be good for the lungs, let alone the pieces of rock whirling around at insane speeds.

It seems like these were once pipes.

[rigid mural]

This is so cool ??? I love the detail of pieces of pipes and cords looking like they were stuck in time floating in the winds like the structure was torn apart

[nimble ingot]

The fragmented/torn vertices does at least make for interesting details. I wonder what this place would have looked like if there were not vertex cap.

[rigid mural]

Maybe part of the boat did ascend (the tiny castle you see right before orbit) but the rest fell back on the mountain

[nimble ingot]

On the left side, again more pipes or pillars.

I might attempt getting a better shot of the middle from head on. So pardon the chibi while getting a worm's eye view of the towering middle part.

[rigid mural]

It really does look like a broken keel with leftover buildings, even from your pics taken from an angle the designers didn't mean to be seen.

[lean kayak]

They get warm colors from that?

[nimble ingot]

The right side seemed more intact, and there was a structure that reminds me of the citadel's buildings (the ones with the pillars and a roof). I could not find solid ground on that side to get a better look unfortunately. 😦

[rigid mural]

Yeah, giving ascended candles to spirit makes them go from a dull blue color to a bright golden hue.

[rigid mural]

Dude this is all I could ask for and more, look at that honking ark
I'm so happy it all started with a screenshot I took !

[nimble ingot]

There was this flat disk to stand on. 🙂
I think that was a big pipe that got cut off, but it is solid and surprisingly a good spot to chill on. 10/10 recommend going there again.
The krill is also a good reference for the tunnel and where to avoid flying. Any closer, and the wind will send you to the ground like a stone.

[rigid mural]

It could be just rock formations but again, it looks too unnatural on a mountain so it could be the hull having been damaged by the storm...

[lean kayak]

Wow thats cool!

[nimble ingot]

Last image
This is on the rim of the thick pipe to the left.
In hindsight, I should have tried getting screenshots of the ground.
If you can find the thick pipe, then be careful not to slip off that rim.

[lean kayak]

Y'all, i dont have the guts to play around in eden like that XD

[rigid mural]

Thanks a lot raider ! Honestly this is so exciting ! Feels like exploring an entire new realm... we should mess around on our way to Orbit next

[rigid mural]

Honestly you get used to it as you go on more and more trips, after leading two runs I already feel comfortable jumping around the place.

[lean kayak]

Ive been there a couple times but just get frustratwd and angry xc

[nimble ingot]

Thanks to your ship idea, this expedition yielded good grounds to keep researching that theory.
You are right about some of the rocks being unnatural. These were either a carved foundation of the city, but parts did feel like the hull of the sky boats. I just need a good reference to compare.
I don't know if it is the 'ribbing' or segmented feel of this image or what. I may need to look at the forgotten ark and the shipwreck for other tell-tale signs.
There might be a power diamond somewhere in that mess, but I may be looking at this too deep. Then again, digging deeper in this rabbit hole got me this far, lol.
Image:#lore-discussion-spoilers message

@rigid mural, if you want a trip to this OOB, do let me know if you need help.
Flying in this place is not recommended to moths by any means! This may require some flying experience and being cautious of the krill. If TGC ever dares to add more free roaming krill to eden, then the place would be a literal ||hellhole||.

[rigid mural]

Oh wait but there's more... where else do we see a huge ship rising along with a depiction of Eden ?

Isle of Dawn.

[rigid mural]

I'm still figuring out the normal way of crossing Eden without getting krilled aha, I only know enough oob to fly over to the corridor if I don't feel like it, and it's far from perfect
Might take your offer as I get more confident with my flying in strong winds though !

[nimble ingot]

@lean kayak
I go to eden every few days, and do a full run to orbit every week. As a moth, I was terrified of the place. Though as Vela said, with experience and perseverance, you get better. I would not recommend you should go to eden very often. Though would encourage going there when you want to face the danger.

@rigid mural
I did notice the OOB of orbit's ascension part to have changed, and am trying to explore there every now and again.
The one issue there is the wind is very strong. You either get blown around , or suddenly get raptured upwards to the next part of orbit, lol.

[lean kayak]

[rigid mural]

With the power of spite, I can and will snap pics. One of my friends figured how to reach the disney castle oob so might ask them to lead me there first so I get an idea of a route.

Also yeah, I organize an Eden run every Sunday since July, and just recently started leading them.
I was afraid of losing wl but after a while you memorize where each of them is, so I generally gather them back within the first half of the week during my candle runs lol.

More on the Isle of Dawn door tho, notice the mantas ? Perhaps the idea of a migration/pilgrimage from the farthest corners of the kingdom to Eden was kept too. You fly alongside mantas, birds and other migratory light species after all.
Maybe the ancestors followed that too, which could explain the stages of life and day cycle theme !

Isle Elder could have been special as a psychopomp that ensured souls from Orbit (if that's where they go when they die) fell and/or were reincarnated back in the kingdom, so they could begin the cycle anew.

Their ferryman themes makes me think of some depictions of l'Ankou, who is traditionally depicted like your usual personification of death with a scythe and creepy cart in britton folklore, but on more coastal regions... he got a boat instead of a cart !
This kinda fits since boats are a recurring object in sky, along with water... which you also see in the elder cutscene ! It looks like it takes place on a dock !

[lean kayak]

Oooo

[rigid mural]

Broken boats... although it was not intentional, perhaps they symbolize a cycle that has stopped, a kind of stagnation as the spirits became sedentary.

[cinder flax]

I just watched it and the very end of the video- the cutoff is perfect

[nimble ingot]

There was a culture that used to make stone arches to represent going through stages of life as you pass through them. (think Stonehenge)
Since there are portals and even arches seen throughout the world of sky, these make a good point of reference to them as well as to the Tori gates as gateway for spirits to travel through.

More info about that culture with the stone arches:https://www.mariankrausphotography.com/2012/02/02/ancient-wisdom-in-rocks-and-stones/

[orchid jolt]

There may be some convoluted reason about hiding the pendant so i figured id put this here (since its always been like this and hasn't been fixed it could be for a genuine reason, but probably not)

[rigid mural]

Oh yeah the spirits sure are shaped

[nimble ingot]

Goodness gracious me...
That has to be a mistake.
I have noticed very minor issues with spirits with similar issues with their accessories. Wouldn't it be worth while to correct them at some point?
This is not intended to be a complaint about the game, though a query to if issues like these would ever be corrected.

That and the guide does seem to be solid, which is what all spirits used to look like. Is there a reason why they are left as solid ghosts?

[obtuse igloo]

:0 thanks it's my oc but I didn't draw it tho

[rigid mural]

Idea on why the isle elder isn't on the Eden gate:
The 5 other elders keep the gate closed so whatever is inside can't get out, and whoever is unprepared outside can't get in. However this takes a lot of their energy, and they need the isle elder to continue bringing sky kids Home so they can carry light back to the realms.

[nimble ingot]

Before the skykids arrived, the poor dawn elder lost his sight and broke his mask.
Perhaps the other elders left him out of it?

[rigid mural]

It's possible the Eden gate isn't a simple gate; it could be this massive and guarded because it's also what keeps the storm from ravaging what is left of the kingdom, hence the huge quantities of energy that could be needed to keep that gate shut.

[rigid mural]

And yet he springs back to life when you bring him light. Dormant, neither dead or alive, but not inactive. His job might be different but I prefer to believe it stems from a choice rather than a conflict.

[nimble ingot]

Fair point.

I would not dare tell an old man what he can and cannot do while within range of getting hit with a staff.
The was an old cutscene of the elder in the beta where the elder being empowered was shown to be temporary. When he used his power in the beta to raise boats to take to Daylight Prairie (formerly called Day), his mask breaks again and he is weakened.

[rigid mural]

He's weakened but still moves, perhaps the sky kid's light is just enough for him to regain the power to move the boats.

[thorn flame]

question: where did the fairy ring come from? why does it only appear ten minutes before every hour?

[nimble ingot]

In the game, it is an event that happens every hour.
Events like these happen across the world of sky.
The other ones that I can recall are the rainbow event in forest brook, and the geyser event in sanctuary island.

A fairy rings in real life is a natural event that has plenty of ties into folklore. Supposedly, it was part of the beta, though I am not sure.

[thorn flame]

ye but like i asked here cuz i wanna know the folklore n how it would tie into sky heh

[nimble ingot]

Welp, a fairy ring can either be a good thing or a bad thing.
Some folklore suggests that a person can lose an eye when they step in one, others say it is where a witch would dance or to meet a devil. While others say it a place where supernatural events can take place.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairy_ring

In regards to the game, this was in beta (I looked it up just now), but the quest mechanic for it was removed along with other world events except for the fairy ring appearing and the rainbow quest according to the wiki.
https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/Daylight_Prairie#Villages

[harsh pecan]

Wait, are those figures beside the King the same hooded figures in the Prophecy and Forest Temple doors?

[nimble ingot]

you mean the figures we light up to open the door?
I suppose so.

[hushed steeple]

RYTHM BIRRRRDY BIG BIRDY BIRD BIG BIG BIG BIRRRDY

[lofty void]

YIIIIIS

[hushed steeple]

I guess im ok with giving up “guide is the bird” theory if WE GET TO SEE THEM ALL THE TIME AS NORMAL BIG BIRDY BIRD BIRDIES ALL OVER BIRDY

[neat flint]

IT'S ALL CONNECTED

[warm siren]

LORE

[hushed steeple]

I need a picture of king propaganda ( the one that says you are not immune )
Thanks!

[livid valley]

[rigid mural]

I'm filing for adoption as we speak, light whisperer is so baby

[tame grotto]

king propaganda gang

[upbeat rampart]

And maybe, for us, 20 winged light could mean nothing but to them, perhaps a lot. Probably like 300+ candles? Because they're a pure form of light, they needed them but now face a scarcity to find them [tho wl existing before their deaths are unlikely since I do believe they're (pure form) King's imprints and that the King "dies" with the Elders in Eden--but maybe King's pure form begins to separate from him as he went deep into corruption?] and probably couldn't get ahold of them. So to them, 20 wl is huge (perhaps)

[heady sequoia]

the upside of not going here very often is not seei- oh. nevermind.

[midnight owl]

YOU ARE NOT IMMUNE TO RESH PROPAGANDA

[heady sequoia]

I AM IMMUNE TO RESH PROPAGANDA

[restive cosmos]

You dare oppose me? Mortal skykid

[midnight owl]

Don't get me wrong I'm a Megabird supporter all the way but propaganda

[harsh pecan]

Nooo another one

[half shadow]

IMPORTANT LORE!!!!

[half shadow]

BIG LIGHT CHICKEN REAL

[rigid mural]

YES

I am crying right now. Filing for adoption, this spirit is

[neat flint]

Can't wait for spirit art with pre-corrupted krill

[orchid jolt]

Alright, imma have to take a break from the lore channel. I want to be surprised when the season is out lol. Y'all are following the rules so don't worry, I am just gonna have to avoid this channel and the news channel lol

[rugged barn]

Does anyone mind giving me the sky creatures art made by tom zhao? I couldn't even open the website

[autumn crater]

Saw this in ||orbit||

[tepid stump]

Wow i never noticed that

[harsh pecan]

Y e s

[hushed steeple]

I did too and shared a pic
So cool

[humble creek]

I’m sure this has been discussed before but I only just noticed it- are there any theories on why that single krill room in gw is a broken down version of forest temple?

[neat pawn]

You mean the one where it’s before the graveyard?

[humble creek]

That’s the one ☺️

[neat pawn]

Never noticed that. Will visit later after reset 👀 good observation!

[humble creek]

Can’t take credit-my friend brought it up! But yea, there’s way too many similarities it’s practically identical but what blew my mind was that the golden ceiling thing that turns in forests cutscene is broken and fallen to the ground on the left in gw

[nimble ingot]

It does have a similar design to the forest temple, though the side platforms are destroyed, and the throne is gone.
This could be another power diamond forging building, or even a place where the magic of the golden jars were used to power things.

[upbeat rampart]

Yes, I think it's for the reminiscence bit imo, to remember your friends when you look up--at least that's my interpretation considering the main constellation friendship crown resembles the Eden crown in Vault cutscene

[humble creek]

Put together a low quality collage of images I took of the identical structures. In addition, there’s the long walkway behind the center platform leading to a giant door with those pretty cylindrical pieces on it-also present in gw. I don’t think they’re just similar, I think they’re the same room only one destroyed. Curious 🧐

[upbeat rampart]

20 hearts

Well perhaps. What could have happened, then? Forest area wouldn't have went flying through Valley and landing up in krill area perhaps...maybe there was a similar tech there to stop the krills?

[hushed steeple]

Nice observation!
Could it be a representation of the "consequence" of the technology that Forest Elder created? The temple of the Forest elder is where the power diamond was created for the first time - and quite possibly used there, too.
And the first area in GW is where we first find out about the dangers of krills, and of the realm itself.

[humble creek]

Honestly I have no idea-I only recently really got interested in the lore so im very behind on..all of it. Up until that point, my headcanon was that each realm was the same area but through a progression of time. Like desolate isle grows grassy prairie and then forest trees then booming valley civilization and then gw ruin and then vault being the kept history of it all. Which doesn’t make much sense (Ik that now ha) but I do like it being a consequence of technology. I don’t think any other areas have exact same design like it seems this does? Similar structures, designs, of course but I can’t think of another repeated room

[urban rose]

About the whole elders voices thing: if someone is able to work with sound, it would be cool trying to isolate them

[frozen pivot]

frog

[upbeat rampart]

Okay, whenever we get the spirits (basic ones) by standing next to their gravestones, they come from above (what I assume Orbit) but when they go back they go through by the grave? A detail which I had noticed and didn't give much thoughts on up until now.

[thick plaza]

Will we actually see it in game tho?

[frozen pivot]

"only time will tell"- Jenova Chen, probably

[half shadow]

I want to believe. #lightchickentruther

[thick plaza]

#lightchickentruther

[echo horizon]

santa light chicken is real if people believe in it

also yeah that place with the first krill definitely had a roof. why would anyone make an entrance with statues guarding a place and an exit and tall walls but no roof lol. maybe the storm broke it down and the big mechanism thing just fell

[tropic isle]

Ok, seriously, WHAT IS THIS CHONKY BOI?

[nimble ingot]

The return of the rhythm bird, hopefully

[tropic isle]

Ooooh yeah Season of Rymth

[icy spruce]

MARTHHAAAAAAA

[nimble ingot]

If teaser art is allowed, here is the full image that was posted on Twitter.

I am honest with not knowing how the season could end. Though do hope that bird makes an appearance in the game.

What if...
The reason why the statues are in eden is because the soul trapped within are not worthy of passing on. Not just because they are not strong enough, but they have not payed the toll?
What if, the king was trying to control who can and cannot ascend with the power of the power diamond. And as punishment, now he is bound to the diamond and forced to live in darkness until he accepts his responsibility. Where that leaves the skykids is they are to help the spirits to orbit and bring the winged light to eden. By offering acceptance to the light kid in the void, we are extending ourselves to the lost prince of sky (still working on that theory), and it is up to them to accept the gift in order to help each other.
What is still a mystery though is why the cycle is set to repeat itself. If we all are trapped in a time loop, how do we move forward with it?
Perhaps only time will tel...

I am reading up on the last pieces of the first half of my mega theory. When I am done typing it out, I'd happily share it and review it with people.
It is a collection of research material that I gathered about the game, it is a pieces of real world culture, literature, myths, folklore, religion and philosophy I think is related to the lore of the game.
This can be used in other theories.

[idle rune]

U blew my mind.. please do share more of ur theories!! Id love to hear more abt it

[upbeat rampart]

This is a great theory!

Could make sense, which also gets me to another one, though I'm not so sure if it could be possible.

King has himself divided into 3 different parts-
One: the very corrupted part that needs saving, taken on form by the 63 stonekids. (And yes, there were more while going to it, noticeably before the last krill. Perhaps they're somewhat irredeemable, that's why we cannot offer our wl to them.)
Two: Neutral parts of the soul, which was trapped in the Diamond.
Three: These were divided into two--as the imprints which had his past memory and levels up the cape, signifying experience, and another being the Skykid themselves who need to get experience (and more light) enough to get in and rescue his more corrupted sides by giving the experience (and light) to make them get through.

To ascend permanently and stop the loop, perhaps we need to seal the diamond and get the King's soul out of it, which I believe is more than half of himself. When done so, he'd be free and would take more control and perhaps might make the stonekids gain permanent un-corruptedness. If we don't, till then, the loop continues, and the winged lights given "resets" (or loses them) and it's to be done all over again.

[nimble ingot]

Alright.
There is a poem by Percy Shelly about a King called Ozymandias. This was the Greek name for Kin Ramesses.

I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: "Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed:
And on the pedestal these words appear:
My name is Ozymandias, king of kings;
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozymandias

In sky, we have a king who ruled over every realm, and his realm was the greatest of them all. But all that is left of him and his people are crumbling ruins and dangerous dark creatures.
Eden was once a holy place that towered over the kingdoms. The highest point that bridged the mortal world with the divine.
Now the top of the castle is being swept away in a storm that would not rest, and the spirits are trapped in their memories, with no one left to remember them.

[hushed steeple]

Has anyone tried to look down during their ascent? I feel like you could view the storm from up there…

[upbeat rampart]

Might do it in the next run, seems interesting

[nimble ingot]

I like that and agree with you on that.
There is a trinity with the king. What I could find to support this is the name Eden and the King.

In Christianity, God is known to be consist of 3 parts of a whole (3in1). Neither part is seen as separate identity, or even a separate individual. They are the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
While you can refer to one, the other parts are still connected and never separated.
In the world of Sky, I suppose what happened is when the King and the prince ruled, they were with the Megabird (the holy spirit), but when they were corrupted by the dark stone (which represents humankind's technology and/or knowledge), they could not connect with the megabird and the world fell into darkenss.

While dark stone is a natural part of the world, I theorise that it is represented by the forbidden fruit that naturally existed in Eden. When mankind did not listen and got too greedy, they were cast out of Eden and not allowed to return.

While a skykid may look human at a glance, they are not. They cannot be harmed by fire, can fly, and can be harmed by impurities (polluted water and corrupting darkness).

Perhaps the skykid can bridge the gap some day, though at the present are not yet strong enough to do so. So in the mean time, all that they can do is find more people to save and grow in strength.

[nimble ingot]

You can, it is a lovely view from way up there.

[hushed steeple]

Pictures?
Also, full agreement with that theory. It was worded very nicely.

I noticed these arches at Vault summit. I've seen similar structures in Wasteland (first krill area, to the right) and Eden (if you look carefully past the rock rain, and it's in a YT video as well)
Not sure if they can be seen anywhere else

Also on Vault summit, the thrones of the elders have a diamond cutout where their chests (hearts) should be…

[nimble ingot]

I got pictures of the castle top as you fly past it. But none of the thrones there or of the view from up top.
Sorry, @hushed steeple
If need be, I can go there and have a look.
It is not an issue, I just have not taken the time to take pictures there since the last update that changed the area.

As for the throne area, this might be a stretch, though it is possible the top of vault is a vague projection of what part of Eden looked like. Not the very top, though at least where the Vault area would have connected to a temple in Eden.
Also, the diamond holes might be a reference to how the elders used to rely on power diamonds, but since the diamonds are gone, the elders are weakened.

Also also, just a wild though, since Eden has not throne to speak of and the king is represented by the symbol of a diamond. I wonder of the glowing diamond above the thrones represents the king. Given how he is always depicted as above the elders. Just a hypothetical idea.

[hushed steeple]

It's a good thought, especially since you can back it up with evidence. And no pressure on the pictures; I was just curious ^^

[rigid mural]

Yoinks that
Gonna make art

[rapid ocean]

The big bird (Season of Flight) reminds me of this bird (Season of Rhythm)

[nimble ingot]

It is very likely the same bird, if not the same species.

[neat flint]

L o r e

[nimble ingot]

If it does get to appear in the season, this is the best kind of teaser. 🙂

[rapid ocean]

Ye

[hushed steeple]

I love that picture, that’s adorable

[rapid ocean]

No u

[restive cosmos]

hello lore chat

[hushed steeple]

hi priest!

[lofty totem]

Well i think it doesnt really have lore season of flight is based on birds so tgc just put the rythm bird in there because its a bird or maybe tgc is showing us that this is season of rythm 2.0

[nimble ingot]

how are you doing today, Fr. Red cape?

[restive cosmos]

you too

[hushed steeple]

Maybe we’ll see that in the new area? Like there’s a species of those fancy birds?

[restive cosmos]

Y E S

[hushed steeple]

I vote we call them Fr. Red Cape now

[nimble ingot]

technically the father title comes with priesthood, lol.

[restive cosmos]

im not gonna vote

[hushed steeple]

Oh true
So would that make them Father Red Cape?

[neat flint]

Dont ping me

Anyway if you say rhythm 2.0 then isn't it lore-ish

[hushed steeple]

pings

[lofty totem]

Well thats what i said it doesnt have lore also how will you see my message if i cant ping you

[nimble ingot]

They check the chat.

[lone hull]

They have same similarities.. maybe the top was before the downfall? Theory.

[nimble ingot]

similar in shape, sure. Good shelter too.
Though the tent, that the creature is carrying, is not made of stone.
Points for exploring and presentation, though.

[lone hull]

Thanks

[neat flint]

A wagon

[hushed steeple]

Hey! But that's just a theory, a GAME theory!
(I'll see myself out)

[distant obsidian]

Hello

[nimble ingot]

If you get Mat involved... lol

[hushed steeple]

Oh boy

[nimble ingot]

Morning/evening folks.
Just a quick question.
How is everyone doing?

[icy spruce]

Good, you?

[nimble ingot]

glad to hear.
Also doing good.

[icy spruce]

Nice

[nimble ingot]

have you seen the latest teaser on Twitter?
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[icy spruce]

It’s in the news, ofc

[nimble ingot]

Tell, what do you think of bird like creature like that living in the world of sky?

[icy spruce]

Martha.

[strange mango]

Has anyone been to the colesium oob? It's my first time going there and I noticed there was something like a constellation table? Is this like an old feature from the past version?

[stark marten]

It's some old bit of code that got reactivated at some point and hasn't been turned back off. It was from some sort of scrapped feature I believe, so now it doesn't really mean anything and is just kind of there

[urban rose]

A guy on YouTube made me notice that on Eden's door are carved all the elders faces but the Isle one

[hushed steeple]

It reminds me of Cozy chat, this question does
I am on a roll to finish some backlog studies this week. Regular classes and self-study combined, I have so far logged maybe 8+ hours in the last two days.
It is nearly midnight here and I have a hectic day again tomorrow, so I guess good night for now, Lore Chat

[nimble ingot]

Good night @hushed steeple.
Hope you do well with your studies. 🙂

[hushed steeple]

Hey quick question, is that bird that was in the light seeker teaser the same bird that was in another season? It looks similar-

[nimble ingot]

It has to be either the same bird, or the same species of bird.
I am hopeful that it would appear in the next season.

[hushed steeple]

Ahh I see, also me too

[nimble ingot]

The last time a bird like that was seen in the game, was all the way back in season of Rhythm.

[hushed steeple]

Hmm I wonder if those seasons will be connected

[nimble ingot]

One can only dream of one day being able to relive those seasons before the season of Enchantment.
That and being able to repeat quests from any season would be amazing too. Imagine being able to do more in the game other than grind for candles, watch for Traveling spirits and save up for events.

[hushed steeple]

That would be amazing! I really hope there will be some more lore based game play it would be so much fun

[hushed steeple]

What about an Archeology like function

Like you can search different realms for pieces of buildings objects and art from the time when people still lived there

[nimble ingot]

Sounds like a fun mechanic 🙂

[hushed steeple]

There could be this place in Isle where you take your artifacts and it can tell you what it is and possibly what time it came from

[nimble ingot]

something like a collector and they would give demonstrations showing off what they get and skykids just have to bring things for them.

[hushed steeple]

Yesss

And maybe if you find all of the pieces to a prop sized object, they can put it together and you can keep that as a prop

[distant turtle]

So are crabs considered rock elementals?

[nimble ingot]

hmmm... Sure?
I dont see anything wrong with that statement.
They patrol their territory, they are relentless, and aggressive.
Corruption seems to rob creatures of their light and natural forms.
Even if a crab is known to have a hard shell, I am not sure if sky would interpret hard shell to be rock.

[cedar beacon]

can i have picture of bird plz

[violet sundial]

Actually though the bird in light whisperers thing is similar to the bird the Rhythm troupe rode on in the ending cutscene. Perhaps they’re related to Flight’s spirits? That or they just like birds

Its like their masks too

Also excuse me if that was a bit redundant, I hadn’t read the rest of the recent chat.

[orchid jolt]

Orbit constellation is now at home and opens up friend menu. Back to void away from spoilers.

[terse canopy]

Is rythm qg a really spirits?? Not an actually big bird or smth
Why cool down

[hushed steeple]

The arrival stone in Home has changed

[neat flint]

The 3 sky kids constellation is at home now

[harsh pecan]

Ooo

[naive sequoia]

Okay so I just got back from Eden and it seems like I underestimated the blast that obliterated Eden.

I looked back down after that cutscene of zooming out and showing the floating castle

Like, _ how much of an explosion do you need to deform the whole upper quarter of a mountain._

[hushed steeple]

What did you see?
Like I imagine you might see something like a storm can be seen from space, right? Was it something similar?

[naive sequoia]

Dear goodness don't let Mat get involved

Well, you can see half of a storm but I was mostly focused on the tip of the mountain.

Tbh I'm still in the process of mapping out the whole thing because I'm still confused

[upbeat rampart]

Anyone checked out the constellation table update? The friend hand hold thing which you see in Orbit is there as well...

(oh shoot it was observed)

Makes me think--are we trying to form a giant "Good king side" and try to seal the diamond that way?

[hushed steeple]

Elaborate please?

[rigid mural]

Hmmmm don't like it, looks clunky

[heady sequoia]

If you were to put a dark dragon/krill in the sun would it...die or something?

[icy spruce]

Maybe

[heady sequoia]

That could also be why they haven't moved to any of the other realms...
Forest, Valley, Prarie, and Isle are full of sunlight though I'm not 100% sure about forest. Valley isn't but it looks like an indoor realm/may be an illusion

[restive cosmos]

yes

[nimble ingot]

Has this been here all this time?
This is on the door in the Wasteland temple to Vault

[rigid mural]

Wastelands is the realm where you return to below the clouds. Perhaps krill can survive sunlight but cannot dwell above the clouds.

[heady sequoia]

Yes, that makes sense

[rigid mural]

Hm ? I don't recall seeing that
Do you have a larger pic so I know where you found it more precisely ?

[nimble ingot]

Here you go, @rigid mural

[neat flint]

The patterns look like season of dreams emblem

[nimble ingot]

Here is the emblem.
I can see the similarities.
I think this could either be the coliseum, or a boat?

Season of enchantment also has a boat-like emblem

[neat flint]

Im wondering what does this emblem symbolize

[nimble ingot]

Like I said, it could be a the coliseum, or the temple.

Though it also reminds me of a boat from the front angle.

[thick plaza]

No there's a krill at the Forgotten Ark area, in sunlight

[opal briar]

Just the opposite,bring on #gametheory

[thick plaza]

I fully support this, time to flood his Mat's Twitter

[heady sequoia]

clouds, then? that krill could just be built different

[thick plaza]

Yea because there seems to be a storm above Wasteland, when u get sucked down into it there's aggressive winds

And there's no way back up, that sheet if clouds is what protects the other realms from the krill, and might've done so when the spirits were alive

[opal briar]

If the sky community politey poked mat pats Twitter he would look in to sky’s lore, maybe even say hello,right here

[thick plaza]

But that's just a Theory, a GAME THEORY

[opal briar]

Thanks for watching

[icy spruce]

I think you mean, A SKY THEORY

[thick plaza]

Matpat's fourth channel, Sky Theory

Game theory, film theory, food theory and sky theory

[opal briar]

Sky beats fnaf for most revisited franchise

[pale mason]

It could also represent the elevator we use as we ascend to Vault’s floors. I’m pretty sure there are multiple of them in the ground floor, but only one is working

[rigid mural]

Thanks ! Makes me think of the various diamond-carrying boats we see on some temple doors tbh, specifically the isle and forest ones.

[heady sequoia]

i'm scared for the day matpat makes a video about sky what kind of crazy theory would he come up with??? sky kids are actually the evil ones??? krill are good??

[neat flint]

No one is the good one

[median stone]

Ouh my... Chesca still here

[median stone]

Gosh.... Everything nowadays start to be twisted even more

[sharp lichen]

Knowing him, he’ll probably make a generic video about Sky saying the basic things we already know

[rigid mural]

If matpat touches sky, I'm gonna go feral

[heady sequoia]

Honestly...yeah

[nimble ingot]

Skykids are ghosts of children that haunt the elders who are punished for the one they should not have killed.
(JK! JK!)

[heady sequoia]

[icy spruce]

Ye, ofc. I’m always here, just lurking lmao

[barren bloom]

Does anybody remember the Sun faction vs Crystal faction theory? 👀

[rigid mural]

Yeah, wanna hang out in Wastelands ? Found a cool catapult

[barren bloom]

RIP bald guy 😔

[neat flint]

🐸

[drowsy spoke]

o-owo?

[pallid citrus]

Lore concept sketch for the new season’s symbol thoughts?

[neat flint]

Megan

I just noticed that the wind vanes that I took a picture of looks different from the ones we usually see

[restive cosmos]

I thought that was Eden castle,i was very wrong

[harsh pecan]

Interesting

[hushed steeple]

Top left looks like the constellation of the Home stone if you tilt your head and squint
Also looks like the top of the bell structure in Sanc

[hushed steeple]

And the colors in this make it look like it's going to be a slightly dangerous realm? Looks like a lighter version of Eden, not gonna lie

[nimble ingot]

Super glad this made it to live.

These things chime! ♥️ ♥️ ♥️

[hushed steeple]

Ooooo

[nimble ingot]

That reminds me.
There are pieces of a catapult in the pond in the Forgotten Ark.

[hushed steeple]

How is everyone doing?

[nimble ingot]

Also, The forgotten ark might have been struck down (or sunk?) by a krill instead of just the storm.
Possibly a megakrill since this is similar to the shipwreck.
This can be found inside the boat, near the front (in the dark).

[hushed steeple]

That’s a good idea I always thought it would probably be a megakrill or a bunch of krill together who took down the forgotten ark, I was also thinking they were taking the light to try to restore either the golden wasteland or Eden it

[nimble ingot]

Not sure about the krill intending on restoring the wasteland.

Though assume you are referring to the spirits which us skykids managed to help through the completing the quests of the season.

[hushed steeple]

Yeah the sprits, who knows why the heck the krill are there

[nimble ingot]

The krill are attracted to light.
They must have tracjed down the boat through either the diamonds, or the orbs' magic. Or even as a chance encounter with the krill patrolling the place.

Come to think of it, if the krill were meant to foreshadown the giant dark creature in Eden, according to the old, light awaits, lore. I would be shocked, especially if there would have been a megakrill in eden.
Imagine how scary the place would have been then to explore in an OOB.

[neat flint]

🐦

[hushed steeple]

No thanks

Wait I just remembered something, ima go grab a screenshot

So there is only one krill location on the back of the boat so that could go with the megakrill idea, but then we have a lot of depiction of thunderstorms so maybe the megakrill was drawn to the storms lightning and then took out the ark

We should also look into the Noah’s ark story because it seems like it would work with this somehow plus there is a lot of myths being used in sky lore

[pale mason]

Hmm krills have the similar sounds with thunders when they growl, could it be they mistook the storm as being called? Like how light creatures like mantas responds to bells

[nimble ingot]

Yes.
There is also another depiction of it in the cave of prophecy.

I am starting to wonder if that is supposed to represent a megakrill than notmal krill.

[hushed steeple]

Good idea

Me too

[pale mason]

Out of curiosity, what is the purpose of megakrill?

[heady sequoia]

an opposing god to the megabird? i honestly dont even know at this point

[pale mason]

I thought Megabird’s opposition is the King?

[heady sequoia]

yeah but I think megabird made the king or something
an opposing god that's existed for the same amount of time as the megabird

[pale mason]

Isn’t Megabird creator of light creatures?

[icy spruce]

Karen the krill flashbacks

[pale mason]

Isn’t the King an Elder?

[tawny blaze]

Hello guys, sorry for bothering, but is there anyone know the meaning of this red area?

[pale mason]

Pain? Idk either, but it usually happen when you’re in a place where your light is getting sucked

[charred spear]

What are shadows?

[nimble ingot]

it does?
Will test that out.
That also shows up whenerv you start burning plants, I think?
Will do a test for that too to confirm. 🔎

[nimble ingot]

Where have you hard about shadows in sky?

If it is a trail, then it is most likely the red eyed smoke monsters from the fire trail.

[charred spear]

aand what is the fire trial?

[nimble ingot]

The season of prophecy introduced 4 trails for skykids to complete.
They are a follows: Water, Earth, Air and Fire.
You can find it in the Isle of Dawn.
It is a small cloud cave to the right, on the ledge from the sandy beach to the castle

Mind if I ask where did you hear about shadows?

[charred spear]

I heard people talk about those

[icy spruce]

[hushed steeple]

Man there’s so much lore it’s like where to do we even start to pick apart things

[icy spruce]

‘There’s so much lore’

are you sure about that (if u’re talking about canon lore ofc)

/lh /hj

pls, don’t take that srsly its just a joke because we always get lore crumbs. The only huge lore crumbs were Nintendo and Proph (but like, we never get big crumbs about the fall of the kingdom lmao)

[nimble ingot]

Start with what you like to know first, then work your way from there.
Just go at your own pace, there is no rush and no expectations.
Feel free to ask and join in on conversations, welcome to the Lore-Discussion channel 🙂

[topaz jewel]

I forgot to come here after I finished Eden for the first time

Now idk where to start

A MINUTE IS TOO MUCH OF A BREAK UGHHH

[nimble ingot]

welcome to the club.

[jaunty tapir]

Are sky kids just here to vibe, return light, and do it all over again?

(On a more game-y sense, I was so excited to know about the prophecy caves since it's a cool "mini" game but I soon learned that there's nothing else like it, no different game mechanic or whatever)

I guess i hoped there would be professions and communities (like the spirits)... but maybe we can't because we're "kids" lmao.

[rigid mural]

You could rp that with friends if you want guilds

[nimble ingot]

More or less, yes. At least I can vouch for that idea.

Skykids are notoriously naïve (in my opinion) and innocent by nature, as they learn through imitation and have not, or could not, fully understand what certain thing meant.
For example, the crying light miner is in mourning, which the skykid can pick up, but also can interpret crying as similar to throwing a tantrum (as the level 3 and 4 emote shows). Or the fainting soldier that looks badly hurt and collapses, yet the skykid sees it as just fainting. There may be more examples, though these ones feel like they carry the point across well.

The spirits of sky do seem to have professions that you can see in their memoires, their names, their emote or with their clothing. Though some of these facts are not as obvious as others.
Some spirits with obvious professions would include the accountant from season of the little prince, the admiring actor from season of rhythm, the apologetic lumberjack, the distraught hunter, the crying light miner, lookout scout and so on.

[hushed steeple]

Yes, Skykids still believe they can save the world with ✨ l i g h t ✨
||Totally not my trauma speaking||
/lh

[rigid mural]

Is it just light to you ?

[hushed steeple]

...what?

[jaunty tapir]

You have good insight. I didn't think we're naive but yeah that makes sense. It's like we're living and seeing the world very ideally.. and, as you pointed out, a world without pain, death, or suffering. Very interesting! Thank you for that.

That also probably explains why the kids don't do anything else (don't have jobs haha)

[rigid mural]

The flame sky kids carry can be many things, I find it a bit sad you were hurt in a way you now call their actions futile... (not angry at you, genuine concern)

[hushed steeple]

Well sure, if you want to go into symbolism...
Thanks for the concern. I'm trying to get over it but it's proving hard.

[rigid mural]

I think sky kids look like, well, kids with candles, because they're the new generation.

In celtic lore they made a difference between the soul ("you") and living essence (what makes you alive). The flame could be that living essence (since its extinction puts you on the verge of death), and so much more. It could also be your willpower and wishes (calling makes you see where to go) and it could be hope (as you deliver it to the spirits) as much as it can be litteral light.

You're a new flame in a ruined world, with ancestors passing on the torch to you. You grow through each level you pass through and ultimately sacrifice yourself to, spirit by spirit, candle by candle and step by step make the world you're in liveable.

[hushed steeple]

That's a good way of looking at it
There are actually a few symbols associated with a Skykid which can also be seen across the realms. I wanna put that here and discuss possible interpretations of it.
But it's late right now So will do it tomorrow whenever I find the time

[nimble ingot]

Celtic you say? 🪶

[rigid mural]

I'm going to dump my stack of books about the gauls on you.
But yeah, what about that ? You want more on their beliefs ?

[nimble ingot]

I would like to add that to my notes.
If you want to share more about them, please do ❤️

[wheat cypress]

I have so many questions I'd love to answer and develop among all u wonderful loreists, and I don't want to dump them all on you at once, so I was thinking I could just post one a day on here at the same time everyday and we could have a focused 15 minute discussion on it. What do y'all think?

[rigid mural]

Hmm... relevant to sky, I'd say look out for cauldrons !
The gauls believed that when they died, their soul returned to a cauldron. They also thought that upon birth, a soul from the cauldron returns to the living.

I'd like to note that it's more complex but some details aren't something I'd be comfortable sharing on a place where minors and sensitive souls can see though. Let's say some stuff is... bloody.

[nimble ingot]

got it.

@wheat cypressyou can ask away 🙂

[rigid mural]

Orbit is just a huge cauldron.

[wheat cypress]

I've been pondering this question a lot lately, what is the deal with the diamond symbol? I ask this because everything associated with the generic symbol of a diamond has become very contradictory. On the one hand, power diamonds are blamed for corrupting king and country, and even the symbol for the king is a diamond with an elongated top typically. In the war of gw, there are two shields. One set, faces away from the temple, suggesting those are the shields of whoever's side was defending the temple. The attacking group (shields facing towards the temple) have diamonds on them, while the gw temple shields have suns. All of this points to the diamond being a symbol of the king, and darkness. On the other hand however, the diamond appears virtually everywhere in the kingdom of sky, on the clothing of our ancestors, on the symbols of our architecture, and even on the heads and backs of our own sky kids. How can a symbol of darkness, I ask myself, be present on the very faces of the beings tasked with bringing light back to the kingdom? The elder statues on the realm gates even have diamonds on their foreheads, excluding the isle elder which I find very interesting, but putting that aside, all this makes me think maybe the diamond hasn't always stood for darkness. Maybe the diamond was a previously neutral symbol of maybe power or technology that the king took and erroneously used it for something it didn't actually mean or signify at the time. My question in short would be, does the diamond symbol in sky stand for light? or for darkness? or for neither.

[hushed steeple]

Several questions packed into one
I like your observation with the Wasteland shields! And I think that might have the answer to one of your questions…
When you discover something new, you become obsessed with it. Maybe on some level, you lose the sense of right and wrong, you lose touch with reality. Maybe that's what happened with the King. Most headcanons suggest that the king was "corrupted", meaning there used to be an incorrupt version of the king.
I looked at the diamond on the Skykid's head closely and there's a red border around it. It gave me the feeling that it was branded onto the Skykid's head. But who would do that, and why?
Notice that in most cases, the spirits don't have it. It's disguised/hidden for Elders, even if they do have it.

[nimble ingot]

The diamond symbol represents the power of the diamonds, the technology the ancestors had, the King himself and the darkness that followed after the ancestors and elders relied on it so much, they were corrupted by darkness.
There are several theories that can be brought up to fully explain this and answer your question, so stand by. 🙂

[orchid crypt]

Personally, I think of the diamond symbol as indicating a "container of light", something which is capable of housing and harnessing the light in some way. We're able to interact with powered mechanisms by putting light into the diamonds like a power source (e.g. doors and switches), and sky kids are able to gain more flight power by absorbing more winged light. I don't think the diamond itself is inherently about darkness, but that darkness is a natural byproduct of it when it's industrialised too far (i.e. whatever is going on with the Wasteland sludge pipes).

With the sun/diamond symbols on the shields in Wasteland, I think of them as representing two clashing ideologies: the "diamond" representing the side that wants to further harness and industrialise the power of light through artificial means, and the "sun" representing the side that wants to coexist with the light in its more natural state (we see similar symbols to the sun on the cave murals in Isle of Dawn when the stars "fell", as well as the prop/instrument closet at Home).

[pale egret]

Hello lore chat, uh, I've been wondering, I wrote some kind of sky background story about the background of the whole Sky world. I won't send the whole story, it's too long. But I made some notes on the 'pure historical facts' as to say, wrote it down without the story part. I think they are more or less ordered, and I wondered if someone here would be interested in reading it and giving me feedback about it (is there things that don't make sense? Does something conflict with something in-game?)

In case someone wants to read them, my notes are too long for a single discord message, too, so would it be okay to send them as a document? Or should I put multiple messages?

[hushed steeple]

Speaking of the diamonds are they connected to the “war” in the waste land

[hushed steeple]

Maybe as a document

[wanton nest]

That sounds cool

[nimble ingot]

Ok, here is a over view of theoriee that have been discussed.
You can look them up in the lore docs or use the search feature on discord with keywords.

Power diamonds.
These can be seen all around the realms powering boats, doors, platforms, trigger points, bridge pieces, mechanisms, elevators, and even as sources of light and energy.
They are verstaile in their use but not permament, sustainable or reliable power sources.
They can become darkened that represents them being inactive or no charge, blue for they have power bht not activated, yellow when they are being powered and/or powering something (active), and red when they are corrupted. There is aslo white diamonds, though I am not sure what they do.

Two shields theory in battlefield of Golden Wasteland.
There are two sets of weapons that are the longblades with diamond shaped shields with a diamond symbol on it, and a rounded shield with a sun or star symbol it and a spear.
While the elder uses a spear andround shield, his constellation is of the diamond shield (still looks like he has his spear though).
It is unclear if both sides were fighting each other, or if they were fighting something else. It is also unclear who or what these soldiers were given their large size making it very unlikely to be ancestors (unless they were giants).

The diamonds are a key part of the lore of the game, though there is very little cankn lore addressing them (that I know of).

Hope this helps.

[pale egret]

Okay, here is it, I hope a pdf file is okay... Have fun reading 🙂 And thank you! Edit: please ping should you want to answer...

[hushed steeple]

I personally think it was them maybe fighting the king for a while

[nimble ingot]

Please do that.
If the document is allowed on this channel, it would be appreciated.
I love hearing other people's theories.

[nimble ingot]

There are some clues that can suggest this.

[pale egret]

If I am not allowed to send it like this, I'll take it down. But I think it's easier like this.

[hushed steeple]

It was really cool! And unique I’ve never heard something like that

[wanton nest]

What if they attacked each other in the chaos of a nighttime krill ambush? Or what if one of them was corrupted :0000

Dev 1: hey dude look I’m gonna put this spear in the other person’s shield
Dev 2: nice bro what happened here again?
Dev 1: idk but it could use some more dark water for sure

[hushed steeple]

LMAO

[pale egret]

Thank you! I don't know much about the lore, so my story has probably many flaws lore-wise, I hope it didn't break with what's known too much...

[wanton nest]

Results: five theory videos and a fanfic

[hushed steeple]

We need mat pat and fast there are so many possibles

[nimble ingot]

The game is open to interpretation.
So most theories can be plausible and even be true in their right.
Since there is very little canon lore, we are left with a ton of fanon to work with.

[pale egret]

Oh, good to know! While I tried to base it on what I see in the game, I am quite sure I missed something, but good to know there is a high chance it is somehow possible.

[hushed steeple]

Off topic but can someone give me a rundown about the lore of the king and prince, I’ve created a theory but I want some more clues to put it all together

[pale egret]

I hope it is okay to ask, what about it differs? Curious to see how others view the world of Sky...

[hushed steeple]

I’ve heard a lot about the “king” being trapped and a huge war in the golden wasteland, the war could have been from fighting the king in a revolution or it could have even been the elders themselves

[wanton nest]

Wait is the king the guy in the Starlight Desert?

[wheat cypress]

Thanks y'all for answering all that lol it's quite the text wall... I was wondering since there were so many diverse responses, I could put these into a doc and if any of y'all want to add to it it's up for everyone to read and ponder over , like a focused study doc? I've already added my own commentary on everything if any of y'all that responded wanna look it over and make edits and whatnot @nimble ingot @hushed steeple @wanton nest @hushed steeple @orchid crypt

that would be a dream come true 😭

[hushed steeple]

Sure!

[nimble ingot]

The king and prince (either being the same person or seperate beings) ruled over Eden.
The kjng ruled over the other realms too, for he used to be greatest and most powerful elder.
His role was to control the power of the djamonds and lead the people.

The king and Megabird would in theory have worked together to maintain the balance of life and earh, light and dsrkness. But when the king got corrupted, everything fell into turmoil.

In thebold lore, there was a great explosion that affected all the realms, and the ancestors along with the light creatures suffered from its effects.
The krill are confirmed to be corrupted by the darkness.

Now, while thevking or the prince themselves are not in the game to be saved, their presence snd clues of them still remained.

There is also a theory about the lightkid (what I call the light version of our skykid in the void after eden and before ascending to orbit) being possibly the lost prince of sky.

[pale egret]

Oh, so it's different that it is the whole overview? Also what do you mean by trapped king/king in general? I didn't see it yet, in the game, or maybe I understood it differently...

[wanton nest]

Writing only half a story might seem lazy, but it’s actually kind of an ingenious idea for a game about socializing. That way, everybody gets to finish writing it, engaging with each other all the more

[nimble ingot]

The little prince of the season is not the prince of sky.

[hushed steeple]

Thank you

[wanton nest]

Got it okay so where does this talk of the prince and king of the Sky Kingdom originate? I’m curious now

[hushed steeple]

Basically there was a revolution because the king became corrupt and the elders fought the king and trapped him in Eden, you see the castle at the end and there is a lot of clues ( I don’t know all of them)

[nimble ingot]

Forgot to add that the king could be theoretcially be trapped in the giant red daimond in the point of no return area of Eden.

[wanton nest]

“But darkness came, and the stars fell”

Maybe the king wanted more and more light until he just commanded a giant light diamond to be created to collect it. And then things went a tad bit awry (give Eden an eye to seek out the light and bring it TO ME!)

[nimble ingot]

Notr that the introduction cutscene has been updated.
The opening cutscene showing that no longer plays (if I recall correctly), and has been replaced with the murals found in the very begining of Dawn.

[pale egret]

Oh, funny how different we interpreted the elders! And where in Eden is the castle (sorry if this is stupid, I took Eden to be a big city)? And also I still have zero idea where in the game the king is? Is he in a cutscene or where?

[wheat cypress]

may I document this wonderful convo for the collective lore doc?

[hushed steeple]

Nah it’s totally understandable it’s at the end of Eden right before orbit, edit: you fly through it and it like falls apart

[pale egret]

Do you mean that floating object we fly past? Now that you say it, it might be true. I don't know Eden well since I'm too scared to go there often...

[nimble ingot]

the castle, or what is left of it, is floating above Eden now. You would be flying past it on your way to orbit while ascending.

The few places where you can see depictions of the king in the game are in the all elder's cutsecene in vault, the mural in the water pond under the office portal, the giant stone statues in the point of no return area of Eden, and the turrets/towers in golden wasteland (king propaganda statues).

[hushed steeple]

Yes

[wanton nest]

Guys what if the dog is the sky king. *both are elusive *both are one of a kind, and sought after by a court of individuals *both are invisible to the present day *both are no longer in a position to rule 😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳

Alani document this most carefully

[pale egret]

Okay, I can't seem to figure it out, maybe I'm missing some basics on the idea who the king is... I'm quite new here... I guess the all elders cutscene he would be the person who is the Eden elder? And what does he have to do with the statues? They look so different to that image... And what is this about him being trapped in the red diamond? You mean like, he's imprisoned in there? But that diamond seems deathly to me, how would he get into it? And who would lock him into it?

[wheat cypress]

I've heard theories fairly frequently stating the elders might have locked him in there as punishment also regarding the king statues, yes they look different but this elongated diamond head is a very typical symbol of the king reappearing both in the game and in the concept art

[hushed steeple]

No one for sure knows who the king is, the statues are like showing everyone that they that is the king, he could be imprisoned there and the other elders are the ones who most likely put him there, if you look at the gate to Eden you can see all the elders face but the golden wasteland elder

[pale egret]

Interesting. So the king is basically a floating piece of stone? That explains how he's locked into the red stone without being hurt...

[opal briar]

So were the ark and cave murals posted?

[wheat cypress]

sky creature anatomy is weird lol we should touch on that more

[hushed steeple]

To me it seems more like they trapped him in the stone and then the big red diamond thing

[pale egret]

(currently I'm trying to somehow fit the king into my story but he just doesn't want to be placed in it)

[nimble ingot]

The king of sky would have been the 7th elder, the elder of Eden way back in the beta of the gsme.
Back then, the elders has hebrew names snd the realms had similar bit different names. You might hear players use one or the other when talking about it.
You can look up a concept artist called, Tom Zhao for a visual tour of the game's development. There you would also see art of the king and the prince.

The statues I was referring to are the large ones that tower over you in the last area kf Eden, where it is called the point of no return because there is no going back and you will have to sacrifice your winged light.

The gate to eden shows all the elder's masks except Dawn's.

And lastly, the king being trapped in the diamond is a fan theory, which has not been confirmed. So it is still an open dabate on that mystery.

[wheat cypress]

I feel like a scribe lol currently putting all this in the doc, will post soon

[nimble ingot]

The forgotten ark is found in the golden wasteland.
Cave murals are found in the cave of prophecy in Isle of Dawn.

[opal briar]

I know lol I mean people here were going to document them I think? As a single image

[wanton nest]

I would lean towards organizing canon flora and fauna of the Sky Kingdom (sorry Oreo)

[opal briar]

Easter egg puppy 🐶

[pale egret]

Thank you for explaining! I hope you aren't too angry for me to asking stupid questions...
I also have to admit I am not yet convinced... So far I didn't manage to put that king into my story, somehow...

[hushed steeple]

I’m confused on what krill are? Can someone give me their explanation on that please?

[wanton nest]

We’re faster and more efficient with emoji responses than word ones 😂

[hushed steeple]

Nah this is a humble community your always heard ❤️

[nimble ingot]

If it helps, you can mark down what happened to him being similar to gaster lol. (Undertale reference)

If anything as a joke, Someone can write up a Undertale AU with Sky as the base.

The king is gone, Vault elder could be Alphys, Forest elder could be Undyne, skykids are either frisk or chara etc.

[pale egret]

My theory is that they are mantas or whales that somehow evolved to live with the darkness in wasteland that made it polluted. And evolution made them fiercely attack all light.

[nimble ingot]

Please dont worry about it.
I dont mind sharing notes and talking about the lore. :)

[hushed steeple]

Oh, ok! Thanks for your theory!

[opal briar]

Has anyone gotten shepherd in live ?

[pale egret]

No idea at all what you mean? Who are all those people?

[wanton nest]

He’s referencing a game called Undertale as a parallel (just for fun)

[pale egret]

I see, thank you for explaining, don't know that game...

[opal briar]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-gif-22566196 gaster

[nimble ingot]

Undertale is a separate game.
It was just me messing around and making a joke.

[hushed steeple]

I’m not %100 sure but I think they are corrupted or something

[hushed steeple]

Probably

[pale egret]

You're welcome, but I wouldn't rely on my theory to be right if I was you. Seems like it is sometimes quite different from the normal ones...

[opal briar]

They sound and move like machines even the spot light “eye”

[hushed steeple]

Anything is possible stay confident!

[hushed steeple]

Some one earlier pointed out they sound like a thunder storm

[hushed steeple]

Well most of the lore is up to interpretation and I’m open to hearing theories on it!

[nimble ingot]

Krill are hostile creatures of darkness.
They hunt without rest for light.
They have been confirmed to have been corrupted by darkness, so were once light creatures.

The name krill is a fan nickname for them, in the game, they are called Dark Dragons. You can still call them krill though :)

[opal briar]

I want to imagine there is a planned lore and TGC isn’t just winging it on that front

[wanton nest]

Hehe. Winging it

[hushed steeple]

I hope they give us more lore, I’m hopeful that maybe this season we can get some of the creatures lore

[pale egret]

May I ask you a few questions that I tried to answer with my story mainly? What do you think about:

1. What are the trials for?
2. Who's that shining person we see at the end of Eden after we die?
3. How did the spirits and murals get placed?
4. Who are the elders? Are they like the former inhabitants?

I guess the answers are long, but if you have any answer that could sum the most important points for one of them in a few sentences, it'd be greatly appreciated.

[hushed steeple]

That shining person might be the prince? Not entirely sure, I think the sprits created the murals I feel like the elders were trained along time ago when the king was still around for something important than they start the revolution after seeing the king lose it

[pale egret]

Thank you! Is it just my impression or does most of the story here turn around the king and the prince?

[hushed steeple]

I think the king and prince are important but my big question is how did the king become corrupt and why did the golden wasteland have the war and no where else I mean heck the vault is closer to Eden

[wanton nest]

I feel like it revolves around the Light/Megabird and the Eye of Eden

[hushed steeple]

I also love your Pollution concepts in golden wasteland I could see it totally coming together with the other lore!

[pale egret]

Thanks! It was obvious, to me, with the pipes everywhere, somehow...

[wanton nest]

I must say, for how abstract and surreal the collection of light in the sky is, referring to it as “the megabird” seems funny

[pale egret]

Oh, the megabird is not a big bird? Oops

[nimble ingot]

According to interviews on Youtube.
The game is following a story structure vaguely similar to the Hero's Journey, however with an important difference.

There is supposedly a new story structure called the Collective Journey.
Where there is not just one hero doing eveything, but people coming together to do something better for the world.

In a way, the skykids are like protagonists, but they still do their own thing.

[hushed steeple]

I haven’t heard much about the megabird actually

[pale egret]

Thank you! Looks like we had similar thoughts on that, all the sky kids being supposed to undamage the kingdom...

[nimble ingot]

Megabird is the deity of if light and life of Sky.
You can see it in orbit ehen youblook up. And a mjral of it in the water pond under the office portal. (the secret place the you can visit by going to vault and going to a hidden place with the portal)

[pale egret]

I have another question. So, you said many information come out of the concept art or the old beta. I've been wondering how much of it counts for the actual game, since in beta many things were changed, and I guess the same thing counts for the concept art?

[pale egret]

Wait, Megabird is in that office lake, too? I thought that was the king as it was said above?

[hushed steeple]

[pale egret]

Also am I the only one who is at least slightly confused by the lore and doesn't understand much of it?

[nimble ingot]

Good question.
Parts of the old lore has been changed but some of them stayed valid.
What I would do is look for more evidence that can support it, or set aside as either plausible theory, or as old lore (obsolete, no longer relevant).

Comparing the old lore to the new lore sometimes feels like, on a meta level, comparing the old testament to the new testament in the Christian bible.

[pale egret]

Thanks for explaining! I have to admit I have been avoiding taking concept art or the old beta into the lore for that exact reason, and tried to build it up only out of the game... Turns out I missed some parts completely and now they don't fit into my story, somehow...

[wanton nest]

When you wanna talk about Sky lore but then
h o m e w o r k

[hushed steeple]

Ok well I must go, bye bye lore chat I’ll be back!!

[pale egret]

Bye Bye Kya, and thank you!! SilverLightning5, good luck with the homework!!

[wanton nest]

I gotta go too. So long! Thanks for talking about the lore, guys!

And thanks for the good luck, Jenna!

[nimble ingot]

[wheat cypress]

Here's the doc y'all!! DM me for inquiries 🙂 Please note that I'm not done with the base setup yet
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Jx81IqV8CbCRfVl115-wDj05i94ygjHOCMSWhtmYqK0/edit?usp=sharing

I am however officially signing off for today because algebra 🙃

[pale egret]

Good luck with your maths!

[icy spruce]

Don’t we already have this already? Except the name is Theory Vault (but then again, nobody rlly uses that. It’s full of theories from 2020 or smthng)

[wheat cypress]

And that's why we're starting a new one 😊

[icy spruce]

But we can just use Theory Vault? So like, we don’t have tons of docs uh yknow

[wheat cypress]

Ofc lol I meant to make it just one doc, and we can reference the Theory Vault, my intention was to start a new one so that we could work together on it

[icy spruce]

Wat

/lh /gen /plsdontkillme

[wanton nest]

Henlo I’m back

[harsh pecan]

Wait so, you want to start a new doc because no one uses the Theory Vault?

[wheat cypress]

My intention with this doc isn't to renovate the Theory Vault, my intention was just to make a focused study group, and we would use this doc to keep track of what we talk about and what ideas we come up with, like scratch paper

[icy spruce]

Ohhhhh

[harsh pecan]

Good idea 👍

[icy spruce]

You should add those bookmark things, so it’s easier to find theories in specific topics (yknow, like the one from Theory Bault)

[wheat cypress]

I don't rlly know how to do that lol enlighten me

Also I don't think it's big enough to do that yet, and it probably won't be for a while

[wanton nest]

Sure

[tawny blaze]

Ok, thx

[hushed steeple]

Hey I was wondering if you want to friend each other on sky?

[hushed steeple]

Anyway. Very specific chimes draw in specific creatures confirmed.

[icy spruce]

Nice

[pale mason]

Could it be possible that the new area for the Flight season be another/old Sanctuary? If this is true, does this imply there are many Sanctuaries, or every Realm has at least one Sanctuary?

Would the Graveyard supposed to be GW’s Sanctuary then?

[hushed steeple]

Wait that’s such a good theory
Valley sanctuary?

[rigid mural]

A new area appeared in forest. That's not beta, it's live. There's just a huge windwall that stops you from proceeding further in after the constellation gate (which requires one vault spirit afaik).

Hello lore chat, today I'm going feral. I slept through the announcement but...
Creature migration ? Could it be... THE migration to Eden ???
And drawing in light creatures ??? Could it be another thing inside the prairie pots depicted on the forest temple doors ???

The chimes calling light creatures does remind me of sanctuary...

[icy spruce]

Do you sometimes want to eat the birds? They look like marshmallows

Also YEAHHH, LORE DROP YEAAHHH CRUMBSSS

[hushed steeple]

It sanctuary but in air. I always hated the squishy marshmellow peeps

[harsh pecan]

Same

[rigid mural]

You play a game where the characters are probably edible, going off your pfp. Understandable urge.

[icy spruce]

Well, the cookies are edible. Since in the cake tower, yknow

[hushed steeple]

Also we should prolly start a list of spirit bios if they gonna keep posting them for seasons and jack.

[harsh pecan]

Ye

Should we also add the TS clues?

[rigid mural]

I don't play cookie run uzfxgjhxfxjfxjgcgj

[hushed steeple]

Those are both less canon and harder to find but for fun, I would love TS hints also.

[heady sequoia]

yeah, but how
and where
and can i help

[hushed steeple]

I dunno how to make docs and I will refuse to get a google to do it but having the saved images with the little trivias about them above it saved to one would be the idea.

[harsh pecan]

Can you send them?

[icy spruce]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/16e0YHxMtV3PWiOOWnADU_-dylDurpnuR1NzvmZh94DA/edit

Ig we can use this doc

[hushed steeple]

Nice

[harsh pecan]

Thanks

[upbeat rampart]

On just now so apologies for late answer if it was me (hh)

So previously I theorized of the King having three forms--neutral trapped to diamond, good being skykid and wl, corrupted redeemable being stonekids after pnr and stonekids before (noticeably near last krill) are irredeemable parts of the King.

So to seal diamond in the sense extracting neutral King off from the diamond, helped by the good side of the King (us). We're therefore just helping ourselves, but with the help of Megabird (who I theorise to make sure the imprints stay in their places which skykid last found).

In helping the neutral side, the King ascends mostly (probably a more permanent wl to the stonekids which doesn't reset for them too, and saving them) but because of some of his irredeemable parts, he also stays behind in some stones.

[heady sequoia]

thank you for this, i dont remember all the spirit names and this is useful for story telling in cozy

[icy spruce]

Oh, MoonCow actually made the list. I just copy and pasted it

[silver cloud]

I would DIE for that concept art in the office

[hushed steeple]

Would you guys give me your theory’s about the dark creatures?

[heady sequoia]

crabs are empty shells possessed by darkness? idk

[hushed steeple]

That sounds cool

[rigid mural]

What about the ones in sanctuary ?

[jaunty tapir]

maybe you'd find something interesting when you put this in your search bar here "crab sanctuary in: lore-discussion-spoilers"

there's friendly crabs in sanctuary (not the ones inside) so that probably means even friendly creatures are corruptible (?). Or maybe it's just crabs that are corruptible? Since we don't see any "corrupt" mantas or jellies haha ~~unless they're krills ~~

[proper heart]

looks to big it cant fit cuz that big chunk of manta cant fit in out very small mouth

[frank falcon]

My theory is that they are still possessed but since they are exposed to so much sun they are docile

[jaunty tapir]

i like this! they're exposed to light! cool cool

[icy spruce]

Crabs imo are neutral creatures

Ye, all bad crabs have dark particles

Good crabs doesn’t have any particles

[upbeat rampart]

Quick question, does all dark crabs have those light skin or particles of darkness but mostly light?

Because others seem harmless and I want to check on my facts

[hushed steeple]

Cute theory time, places like the sanctuary and the forest take in little dark crabs trying to restore them because they are being hunted, as we see the crab rack in golden wasteland and we see harmless crabs in sanctuary

[icy spruce]

Oh no, it’s fluff AAAAAAAA

[rigid mural]

Some kid I'm mentoring put dark crabs from sanctuary outside in the sunlight in the hopes it would melt the darkness off...
Didn't work
They're probably very young tho so that attempt was adorable.

[hushed steeple]

NOO THATS TOO SWEET

[rigid mural]

That kid: "Oh I know, let's put them outside so the darkness melts off ! The good ones are in sunlight after all."
Me, knowing full well it won't work: "... let me help you, we can get a few !"

[crimson grove]

Gentle reminder that you are all welcome to take discussion elsewhere, like a private DM or server, but please don’t organize, advertise or talk about it here as that’s against our server rules. I’ll be deleting the few messages earlier in the chat about it, and continuing this topic will result in a mute or other moderation action

[hushed steeple]

Hi, so I slept and it seems a lot happened here…could someone please catch me up? There was something about a lore doc, and talks of…something else…?
Please ping me in reply if the conversation needs to be taken to the DMs.

[harsh pecan]

||Someone wants to make a doc that’ll kinda be like a study group and other people here want to part (I forgot most of the details). There’s also a doc about Spirit infos now||

[pale egret]

Happily, though I currently don't have my phone so it might take me a few days to accept. Can you send me a code in the direct messages? Edit: I'm sorry, didn't mean to ping you when you're clearly gone 😦

[nimble ingot]

@wheat cypress

[hushed steeple]

if krills can sense light and wl are lights how can wl not be sensed

[sharp lichen]

I theorize they only sense light when it’s moving: wl’s stand perfectly still

[hushed steeple]

if we get spotted my a krill with a static emote dont we still get krilled

[nimble ingot]

That is a good question and one I have no idea how to answer.
Skykids, manta and spirit memories (though rarely happens) are targeted by krill, but not the winged lights themselves seem unaffected.

Knowing what the winged light are might explain why krill do not react to them.

[upbeat rampart]

They do, they avoid seeing it imo because it blinds them even more than they are.

Also wl places are generally not under the krill's radar (mostly, exceptions like krill 1 in entry of gw)

Or they can't sense wl as one. They sense them only if they're like stacked? Like how it works with us Skykids

[neat flint]

Theory: Winged lights can't be seen by creatures only sky kids can see them. That's why krills can't sense the wingled light.

[opal briar]

I’d be entertained to see a krill attacking one in vain, “why.cant.I.hit.you?!”

[hushed steeple]

Can you DM me about this too?

What if krill can only sense "living" light?

The sacrificial manta is alive. So are we.
The WL by itself isn't alive.

Which kinda leads to my headcanon.

The krill were light, corrupted by darkness. So what if the krill hate light now? (I mean, duh, but let me see if I can word this better.)

Like what if the krill are so traumatized that they can't even stand tk see someone with light? Isn't it a reaction that's observed? "If I can't have it, nobody can?"

They don't consume our light, they just bonk it away, like No, you don't get to have it

Also did anyone see that Eden in the backdrop of the realms has changed?

[nimble ingot]

do you mean the mountain???
Please send a screenshot. 🙏

[nimble ingot]

o.o oh no....

[nimble ingot]

umm...
There might a bug...

Was anyone planning on going on an OOB to there?

[hushed steeple]

I suspect the same thing
But it would be really cool if that change were implemented; it actually looks like the mountain was blown apart and the debris still surrounds it

I don't know what to make of your reaction, Raider

[nimble ingot]

if the castle is really gone, then there has to be a good reason.

[hushed steeple]

Time for an Eden run!
I'm overdue for one anyway

[nimble ingot]

ahahaha, oh that would interesting.
if you do see something different please do share it.

That castle was the old design if I recall correctly, so if the current in the ascension from eden to orbit is also affected.

[scarlet delta]

theres something im wondering, what are you doing to the petrified skykids that freeze near eden? are you giving them the last light they need to go to eden? why couldnt they go to eden before you tried to go to eden?

[nimble ingot]

To answer that is to know what the winged light are.
There is a mention in the lore docs about the winged light being imprints, according to a live stream.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/10ZWJRGiJSrIXgDvJ4pST61moZbVB_hBExUjOaF-pmOE/edit?usp=sharing

All that is known (that I can recall), the statue kids in eden are possibly vessels for winged light to ascend to orbit, though this cycle repeats every week.
Apologies for not having more info about this.

[true grove]

The castle is gone because it's broken now 👀

[nimble ingot]

(Incoming joke)
I guess the prince is another castle now.

[hushed steeple]

best joke I have heard all day

[boreal nebula]

So... Maybe my theory of the singpost above the Sanctuary Bells could be pointing too into that direction

Then Vs Now

[hushed steeple]

Could be, but has anyone been krilled when you are at that stage where you look like one of the statues in Eden?

[neat flint]

There are 2 more at Hermit Valley and Caverns

[rigid shell]

why not light creatures can be friends with the dark creatues and be able to be friends with them, taming them and buy krill eggs and they would be able to to help us with all things? 🙂

[frozen pivot]

frog

[hushed steeple]

...but there aren't any krill in PNR...?

[nimble ingot]

That looks new.
I really want to say something about it, but know full well saying anything about it is potentially a spoiler.
So will have to pin it as a 'wait and see what happens note.'

[nimble ingot]

The change could be because of the copyright?
The snake/hat image is an recognisable icon for the little prince book.

(That skykid pose though, lol)

[boreal nebula]

Definitely about the copyright 🥲

But I think it's safe to talk about what you would like to come up.. as long as you are not a beta tester spilling the beans , right?

[nimble ingot]

Yup.
I like to take a peek at what the game would have. So to avoid spilling the lovely tea TGC got cooking.

[hushed steeple]

If any of you were still wondering, in Eden the castle isn’t broken. Probably a visual bug?

Visual bug it is 🥺

[icy spruce]

Nah, gravity in Eden just uhhh got a little tipsy (100% Megabirb’s fault btw /j)

[hushed steeple]

Also a thing I noticed with the Home stone
Viewed at a certain angle, the friend constellation button appears above the drawing of Skykids and the button for realm constellation appears above the drawing of the wing.

It's a nice touch, I think even if it will take some getting used to

[small igloo]

I think that’s a new update!

They used to be above each other, now they’re separated

[nimble ingot]

That is a good thing.

The castle we see outside of eden and the one we fly by on our way to orbit, are separate castles.

[hushed steeple]

I believe it was for the switch players to have better access to the friend constellation. I think

[forest mantle]

Yeah it definitely helps that it’s more separated honestly

[true grove]

All realms have the clouds tunnels now, maybe the new area connects all areas? 👀

[scarlet delta]

that's fascinating... thanks. by imprints you mean souls of skykids? its true winged lights look like skykids that dont have wings..

[thick plaza]

Wait really?

[icy spruce]

Wait what

[hushed steeple]

I feel bad for any new people seeing the cutscene show them two specks of floating debris and having NO idea what they are supposed to be looking at.

[nimble ingot]

could be?
I am just qouting what I read in the lore docs.
Winged light is something I have very little info on.

[scarlet delta]

It could make sense, seemingly because winged light are skykid shaped but not physical

[rigid mural]

Not the most stellar screenshot but the races look like they were litterally going through the city, makes me think of tramway tunnels...

[hushed steeple]

Lazy to type it out but here goes:
Isle of Dawn, the intro, part 4. The "Wake up, child" bit

You see what is almost certainly meant to be a Skykid

With a dot at the chest – like the cores of spirits

And the winged light appearing outward, like the cape

[hushed steeple]

So what are all the murals about in the cave of Prophecies?

[nimble ingot]

They tell about the prophesied chosen one.

Have you completed all the trails?
The whole picture reveals itself when you do so.

[rigid mural]

They probably did, that last mural they showed is unlocked after the fire trial.

[hushed steeple]

Fire trial is analogous to Wasteland because of the krills and worms and a general darkness everywhere

Valley is analogous to air trial because of the flying race and athleticism

Forest with water trial because in both cases the water kills you

Why is Prairie associated with Earth trial then?

[rigid mural]

Prairie may have been fertile land.
Both places have floaty islands too.

[nimble ingot]

Oh?
I thought it wasn't since the golden boi is not there.
Does it show up after you interact with the quest giver?

[rigid mural]

Golden boy shows up when you light up the brasiers on the floating rocks !

[nimble ingot]

Not sure.
There are not many mazes in sky outside of the trail.
Maybe it is the floating rocks?

[rigid mural]

I feel like...

Water trial/Forest: you have to be patient since going in without thinking will end up being your demise; gotta pick spots to wait at and move ahead when you're ready to. Virtue is understandably Patience.
Forest Elder could have lost that Patience, hence why they don't wait to take your light.

Earth trial/Prairie: both can be tedious if you get lost or give up easily, although Prairie is a noob level so of course you don't feel difficulty yet. Thinking about the multiple puzzles here too. Virtue is Persistance.
Prairie Elder could have lost that, hence why they cope by sleeping (a symptom of depression).

Air trial/Valley: pretty obvious, both require you to think fast and be agile in some way. Virtue is of course Balance.
Valley elders could have lost that... is that why one of the halves of some of their statues have bits chipped away ? Perhaps they had an identity crisis (siblings don't deal well with being constantly associated and compared with eachother)...

Fire trial/Wastes: both have you face hostile environments (darkness/windless desert full of dark water) and creatures (shadows/krill), so it goes without saying the virtue is Bravery.
GW elder could have lost it as their will eroded from the war (nothing is made to live wars, only survive them at most), might have switched sides or took refuge within their bastion.

[sharp lichen]

Eh, it’s somewhat of a stretch, but a believable one. It all depends on what came first: the Trials or the Elders. If you believe the former, then maybe the Elders got inspired?

[rigid mural]

Trials probably came after the elders since they are accurately depicted on the wall paintings

[sharp lichen]

But they’re called Prophets for a reason, what happens if they foresaw the Elder’s arrival?

[rigid mural]

No idea if they did

[nimble ingot]

The elders were already present in the trails. They already had their constellations and kingdoms set up.
The prophets could have predicted the arrival of the winged light, or the sky prince. (not little prince).

I agree with @rigid mural's theory. It coincides with what the trails represent and follows what the elders could have lost.

[hushed steeple]

Yeah, Vela worded it really nicely

[sharp lichen]

Yeah, but I wonder what happened that made the Elders lose everything

[hushed steeple]

Hello lore chat, I return

[rigid mural]

Probably whatever wiped out the civilization in whose ruins we waddle in, possibly the subsequent loss of followers and offerings (of light perhaps ? the sky kids could echo ancient rituals by lighting the shrines again) if the elders are more akin to demigods, or at least whatever caused them to be stuck in the limbo we meet them in.

[hushed steeple]

Yes I have I was just being stupid haha

[hushed steeple]

Sounds about right, I saw in a lore doc and that they are in somewhere unknown where sky kids can only reach by meditation

[nimble ingot]

ey no worries.