lore-discussion-spoilers

[rigid mural]

Ok...?

[icy spruce]

Haalloo, what’s the topic?

[orchid jolt]

the thing is, the KING doesnt have one. the closest being the star on the crown

Edit: This being more evidence to the idea than the king is more seperated from the light than the other elders, maybe it could be for the time being as we gave light back to the other elders but we havent been able to give light back to the king

[icy spruce]

Ohhh King

King/Prince can’t be saved anymore, perhaps but most likely not since canon (talking about King/Prince being saved)

[frozen pivot]

so u saying eden have a constellation but no elder

[orchid jolt]

codewise, yes, but perhaps the story will expand

[dry ivy]

Ahhhhh man that just sounds too saaaad

[orchid jolt]

nah, I'm saying either the king was more disconected from the light than all of the other elders or that the constellations could represent them having light now, as we gave light to all of the elders but the king

[dry ivy]

Okay, ya think the King did a Gaster and is now stuck inbetween worlds or something lol

[icy spruce]

Yeah, I feel like they’re also in limbo but leaning closer to death

Think about the Hanako Kun sea shore thing

[dry ivy]

I-I guess that means out of all them, he’s the most injured. Like maybe like I said: existence thrown across time and space

Of

Hanako kun...? What’s that?

[icy spruce]

Hanako kun is an anime lmao

It’s about ghosts, creatures, life and death, uhh Japanese legends in general ig

[dry ivy]

Oh gotcha

[orchid jolt]

well, i mean we had already given the other elders the light by the time that the murals are shown to us, but we havent yet had the chance to do the same for the king

[crisp umbra]

What's megabird? Sorry I'm clueless-

[frozen pivot]

how u gonna give light to someone that isnt there to be given light to anymore. and i dont think that makes sense because u did mention the spirits praying being connected to each other, but theyre praying to a disconnected deity?

[icy spruce]

Megabirb is prolly the deity of Sky or the name of the galaxy/universe Sky is in

Np!

[crisp umbra]

Ohh ig that makes sense :) (Thanks!)

[orchid jolt]

im saying that mabey it means that the king hasnt been able to recieve light. Many people have speculated that that mabey, at least one of the end goals of the sky kids, of course we arent able to do that now, but sky has expanded with seasons and new areas it is a possibility that it will become possible one day

[frozen pivot]

lore wise i think theyre set on a storyline, the small details they change here and there are polish imo. but they did release prophecy which is about the prince. i still think its unlikely theyll do so tho, maybe theyll introduce us to wat the king was but not the king itself as alive and able to be saved

they couldve changed it early on. after dying in stormlock we see the king, we give our remaining light and ascends with us instead of the shiny boi we hug that saves only us and enables us to ascend

[orchid jolt]

yah, but do you get what i am saying? that while the other elders now have light, the king still doesnt have the connection to the light?

[frozen pivot]

because he ded bruh, u cant connect a dead person to life support and expect them to come alive after doing so

[orchid jolt]

THE SPIRITS ARE DEAD TOO!

[fallen dagger]

Hi, um, I've been relatively inactive in this server and was hoping to get into Sky lore, just wondering where to start.

[icy spruce]

hey kid, wants some docs that might help you in lore

[frozen pivot]

for clarity, elders werent dead even when we havent given our light to them, their judt chilling on their limbos contemplating life, and no the spirits didnt die, u see them spirits? those are souls aka stars, those soul/stars are wat apparently are littered above orbit. clearly they didnt die die, they just died, became souls, and ascended

[fallen dagger]

That would be nice

[icy spruce]

evil laughter

Anyways-

Lore Moff Doc (credits to Bricky)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18B1-SKG3toG0oH0VhOWC5o-cG9u0STAN92QvmbhTDto/edit?usp=sharing

The Canon Lore Doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/10ZWJRGiJSrIXgDvJ4pST61moZbVB_hBExUjOaF-pmOE/edit?usp=sharing

The Theory Vault
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-SOY_5WrhQ2ftVZEM9VMBsz92-n_53kBzQoHKmY2-24/edit?usp=sharing

Sky Leitmotifs
https://docs.google.com/document/d/19p_7mI1bI4fxKBk5ogVJCTsU7hzLJejqBgQTSJDAjuo/edit?usp=sharing

[orchid jolt]

OK WHAT IM TRYING TO SAY IS THAT THE KING ISNT CONNECTED TO THE LIGHT ALSO REMINDER THAT ORBIT KIND OF FUNCTIONS AS AN AFTERLIFE/PLACE OF REBIRTH AFTER DYING!

[frozen pivot]

how is that tho, how is an elder disconnected while the rest are

[fallen dagger]

Thank you!

[orchid jolt]

the constellation literally shows that the king is disconnected from the light, isnt a prominent theory that the king severed the connection to megabird?

[icy spruce]

Oh no, that’s just a joke

[frozen pivot]

all of them had a part on watever the popular theories suggests, even so it doesnt make sense. how darkness would somehow just swallow up an elder into nothing rather than just corrupt them, even corrupted. doesnt mean theyre disconnected. corrupted can be saved

[orchid jolt]

Not saying the darkness swallowed them up into nothing I'm just saying that they're at the very least more disconnected than everyone else from the light

[frozen pivot]

i dont see disconnection here watsoever. if anything i see someone of high power being worshipped by his people, the orb hes holding doesnt seem to be of darkness either because if it was, it wouldnt be an orb but rather something more chaotic, unbalanced

[orchid jolt]

The disconnection is that well all of the other spirits and all of the other elders have at least some Stars inside of them showing that they're still connected to the light the king doesn't I'm not saying I agree with this I'm just saying it's something that may hold some value cuz it seems quite intentional that every single other small spirit and elder have at least somewhat of a constellation or Star inside of them in the murals

[icy spruce]

._.

[frozen pivot]

is this wat u'd want to see instead?

[orchid jolt]

I don't know to me it just seems quite purposeful cuz even the tiny spirits and the other murals and this mural have stars or constellations in them and all the other elders also have those in them but the king doesn't share the King has the constellation on the ground but that's not part of it

[orchid jolt]

but if you look at all the other elders you can clearly see that that they have their bodies outline but inside of their outline they have the constellations and stars the king only has the outline and even that's going to have those strongly able to see points

Wait... I CAN USE THIS FOR MY STUPID THEORY! WELL THE GUY KIDS HAVE LIKE IN THEM ALONG WITH EVERY OTHER SPIRIT AND EVERY OTHER ELDER THE KING / PRINCE DOESN'T AND WE ALSO KNOW SOMETHING ELSE DOESN'T HAVE ANY LIGHT IN THEM THE DEV-CAVED KID!

ok back to our conversation

Like as in the light in the chest of sky kids and how it isn't present in the dev caped kid. And yeah that whole theory about the dev caped kid being the sky Prince and thatskybot was/is still mostly a joke

[frozen pivot]

this is teth's, its true that the rest of the elders have this detail but the king. but of all the elders only the king represents himself as the realm rather than the realm represents its elder. wat ive been saying is the king is eden himself including his subjects. a true king rather than an elder

[orchid jolt]

But his subjects are part of a constellation. I mean, I think I see what you mean but I also want to make sure that you see what I mean cuz all acknowledge your points as long as you acknowledge my point and how they're both possibilities

Edit, please let me know if I sounded rude I really don't want to sound rude...

[frozen pivot]

ofc, but the thing is wherever constellation someone hails from whether wasteland or prairie, in the end theyre connected to the light- theyre constellation is connected to the light. these subjects are not limited to their elders specifically. the reason why that is ingame is, u save the spirit in that realm, u save the elder of the realm and itd seem that that spirit is from the realm u saved it in. spirits are not bound to their elders

[orchid jolt]

Yes but most of them are bound or at least connected to the lights other than say the king

they are all connected to constellations which are themselves connected to the light the king doesn't at least look like he's connected to any constellations

[frozen pivot]

im not referring to each elder as individual lights that spirits choose constellations from, spirits and elders alike are bound to the light.

[orchid jolt]

Yes but not the king all of them have their own individual consolations or individuals stars or whatever showing that they're going to be to the light but not the king

[frozen pivot]

ok its gone full circle. have u ever wondered why of all the realms, eden is the one referred to as sacred? each elders have their temples yes? how come those werent as sacred as eden itself? eden is not even a temple, its just the summit.

[orchid jolt]

Oh so either just me or both of us start repeating themselves oops. Okay as long as we both acknowledge the other one's point yours about being that the king is himself eden in a sense in mind about how the king doesn't seem to be as connected to the light, then we can both move on to other theories as we're probably not going to get anywhere are we...

[frozen pivot]

idk, u can tell me a factory of manta slurpees can be a temple

[lethal stump]

the king does have a constellation, it’s our close friends constellation (“the light”)

[orchid jolt]

I Vehemently dislike the theory that those existed. I'm not saying that there was a temple in Eden or is a template and I'm just my point was that the king may be less connected to the lies as everyone else which could be shown by the murals

[orchid jolt]

If you look at the other elders constellations you can see that while they may be connected to the constellation of that realm they have a separate constellation in them the king while connected to the friend constellation via it being crown does not have separate constellation in him

[frozen pivot]

i mean its not a theory, its a concept , only theory about it is whether they used manta slurpees there or not, nevertheless, the factory was made for something

[orchid jolt]

I do not think I have actually seen a factory in Eden... The closest thing to a factory I can think of would be that thing in Golden wasteland after you fall down for the first time where you see the thing that looks sort of like Temple but isn't

[lethal stump]

…separate constellation ? what ?

these are the constellations

these are their elders
the close friend constellation appears in tandem with a mural of the king in the final vault cutscene, just like the constellations do for each of their respective elders. that is his constellation.

[orchid jolt]

Man I really need to turn off autocorrect spell check or whatever it's called

[orchid jolt]

Kitsuu, can you pull up the murals and outline one of the constellations inside an elder and then separately outline the realm's constellation.
Let's say for example prairie the realms constellation for prairie is a jar however the elder of prairie in the mural has a different constellation inside of them

[lethal stump]

inside him ??? what the megabird are you talking about

[frozen pivot]

the place is ruined, but remnant remains, those pipes potruding from the mountain sides and the ones in wasteland factories are the only ones ull ever see across the realms

[orchid jolt]

The message this links to should show you the mural I'm talking about

[orchid jolt]

I mean for all we know those could be water pipes or just you know bathroom pipes or whatever they're called. I know they are probably flowing with dark water or whatever but Im sure just saying that I haven't really seen anything that I could verify as being a factory but yeah I do see your point

[frozen pivot]

the only toilet ull need sewage pipes for is in the office

[orchid jolt]

Look at the message where I say that "the message this links to should show you the mural I'm talking about"

[orchid jolt]

Yeah I was just using that as an example to show that I could be for other things too but it's very very likely to be for dark water.

[lethal stump]

1. that must be one massive toilet if there’s pipes so big we can casually walk inside them and krills are smaller than them. yeah sewage is a thing but those pipes are NOT by any means sewage pipes, they’re identical to the wasteland factory pipes, denoting some sort of factory thing was going on in eden

2. there’s some lines and stars inside the forms of the elders, but they have 0 connection to anything else. if anything it looks like a stylistic choice as the rest of the drawing is made up of similar faux-constellations

[frozen pivot]

where theres dark water, theres a factory, or in sanctuary's case, an oil leak cus the voyagers dunno how to fly air boats

[orchid jolt]

Yeah but like every singular creature from even the mantas in in valley to the birds and prairie I think those are birds and the spirits and elders all have constellations inside of them the trees and forests aren't made up of a constellation the temple in valley is made up of a constellation the only living thing in consolation that I can even think of would be well the flipping Eden's constellation with the King

[undone harbor]

The eden crystal exploded and every type of other crystal explodes
Everything stops working and people got infected with darkness and dies

[orchid jolt]

Look I'm just using that as an example mostly probably as a joke I think I'm bad at jokes probably was a factor or something there I was confused because there wasn't like any factory that I could think of in Eden that I did as a temple and then nothing and eating really acted as a temple

[lethal stump]

i’m so confused. what are you trying to say, ameoba.

[frozen pivot]

my apologise

[orchid jolt]

Bro I can barely understand myself right now I think I need a minute to remember how English works

[undone harbor]

Don’t give up
Organize your brain juice and your ideas and it would work again

[orchid jolt]

Also if you guys expect to understand me half the time you're expecting way too much from a misspelled microbe. In my username amoeba is actually spelled incorrectly it's kind of on purpose but it's a weird story of how it was a mistake at first then some people tried to impersonate me in games but my friends were able to figure out that it wasn't me because they spelled the name correctly

[orchid jolt]

Okay let me organize my cytoplasm and organelles

[lethal stump]

my name is an inanimate object made of hard clay. names do not denote expectations. if i wanna have a discussion i wanna be able to understand the other party

[frozen pivot]

man imagine whurtles

i actually think its wat the crabs were mimicking

[lethal stump]

i hate this slow mode so much

[undone harbor]

Aight we need to get something else this is so confusing and we won’t get out of it
(Yeah why did they put slow mode again)

[lethal stump]

i just showed up to see what was being talked about and jumped in for the heck of old times sake

[frozen pivot]

stuffed happened then that happened

[mint widget]

yeah

[orchid jolt]

Wait what the crabs mimic something??

[hushed steeple]

This concept art is really interesting cuz darkness also tends to trap souls?

[lethal stump]

forbidden pudding

[frozen pivot]

yes, dev quote from docs iirc

[orchid jolt]

I actually have some evidence that kind of says that the darkness was actually protecting the souls I'll get into that in a minute still kind of organizing the cytoplasm stuff

[rigid mural]

Eden has a few pipes where the krills are so there's industrialization at least, and I would assume the temple is destroyed.

[mint widget]

oohh

[lethal stump]

imo the eden temple is the palace, which we fly through in the ascension

[frozen pivot]

this, but more real

[rigid mural]

Those deep fried constellations man, we see clearer on the normal ones, why

[hushed steeple]

It looks like theres people watching below in that king mural

[mint widget]

there is

[lethal stump]

they seem to be praying to him, imo. i believe they saw him as a god figure in place of megabird

[mint widget]

yeah

[lofty totem]

Hm the crown looks like from the tlp season the king

[lethal stump]

tlp season is dead to me, lore wise. i don’t count it cause it’s a crossover

[orchid jolt]

Ok, heres the evidence, in Eden, right before sacrifice, we see 5 statues. 2 are covered in blue crystals presumably refined dark crystals sort of like power diamonds, and the other three being completely clean of any dark dust or crystals or anything like that now these three will often shatter when you approach them which could mean that the darkness is actually protecting them from shattering until you can save what's inside of them. And a spirit's light can fade out when you're trying to relive the memory but when the spirit's light is at the start inside the darkness ball, the light doesn't fade, the ball seemingly can hold the lights for extended periods of time protecting flight inside until someone like us can come and save the spirit. There's actually an example of a statue that looks kind of like a spirit statue in wasteland that doesn't have any dust on it or anything on it and is completely clean sort of like the one that shattered and Eden but this time it's like a spirit rather than a sky kid, it is the one next to the catapult we cannot relive the story behind this statue it very much looks like the statues that appear when you finish reliving a spirit's memory and go to burn the statue.

[orchid jolt]

Yeah the intro kind of made it so it can technically be canon without affecting the canon, at least the past Canon.. the two dream like world sky and the Little Prince are only now colliding in the starlight deserts they had no impact on each other previously now of course they may affect each other's future in the same way as how the universe we ourselves live in and the separate universe may not really impact each other at all until the impact each other the impact between The Little Prince and sky children of the light has only occurred now so it had no impacts on the previous storyline of sky

[frozen pivot]

they did have early concept like this. makes room i guess?. crossover in a literal sense

[orchid jolt]

Wait what does that have to do with the Little Prince?

[icy spruce]

Human world

[frozen pivot]

making uncanon canon baby thats my crackpot specialty

[hushed steeple]

Now this whole darkness idea, its great. Darkness as some kinda way to preserve souls after the explosion is perfect, and i vv much agree😎

[lethal stump]

it’s getting late here and im switching words around when i read. i’m going to sleep. i will return to lore chat in the morning, i await more things to watch and comment on as an old lore grandpa
chesca i see that Baal pfp—

[orchid jolt]

Oh. I mean this doesn't really make sense but I guess I kind of understand that

[orchid jolt]

Hey hey that's my thing I did the whole thing with the dev Cape kid and also made a completely separate explanation for how The Little Prince could be Canon without having impacted sky children of the lights history

[frozen pivot]

idk, breaking 4th wall seems to be frowned upon in lore making. if it fits it works imo

[icy spruce]

yes, bless the almighty shogun for her reign is eternal

[rigid mural]

Fossils are dead but they are preserved remains of what once has been. Maybe darkness isn't unlike the mud that drowned some prehistoric animals in such a way they didn't decompose.

[orchid jolt]

What are you taking about?

for one thing the office theory, if that is what you're talking about, with the dev Cape kid is really just a joke theory that I have that I know for sure isn't Canon but still it could be an example of making something that isn't Canon into something that could be Canon

[orchid jolt]

Exactly it could also contain DNA especially like the amber fossils which could well be considered saving the DNA until someone can go through the Amber and extract the DNA or whatever. Of course I don't really think the darkness killed them I mean it might have but yeah you do see what my point is with the darkness me possibly helpful in this manner so yayyyyyu

Yeah also kitsu, the whole that is my thing was just a joke, multiple people can also have that talent or whatever.

Edited that cause of auto correct.

Also I'm going to show the pictures that I had mentioned previously involving lamps and boats I think I mentioned it a while ago but just forgot about it for a bit

[frozen pivot]

basically making office and tlp canon but that would need understanding how vault works(even i dont quite know crap of) and lots of outside shenanigans that would quickly confuse and make it look unbelievable

[orchid jolt]

Both the lamp and the ship have the same sort of hole in them. They should still be powered by a dark Crystal but with the more rough less diamond like shape.

[hushed steeple]

Strange, was the diamond shape of darkstone harder to achieve orr?

[orchid jolt]

And then there are these three kinds of lamps and the boats powered by the diamond shapes dark crystals. Please have a different hole in them than the ones above however all of these have the same sort of hole as each other being more diamond like

[orchid jolt]

I think it's more like more primitive technology oftentimes means things are going to be more rough or whatever

[orchid jolt]

Oh well yeah the whole office dev Cape kid being Canon is really just a joke and the Little Prince it's opening quote kind of makes it perfect to be Canon without impacting skies lore. They really are two separate worlds that are only now meeting and have a connection with each other they didn't connect before now they are connecting through the starlight desert they had no impact on each other's past but they can impact each other's future!!

[hushed steeple]

Impact on the future, i would love to see how the little prince impacts our journey on reviving the kingdom!

[orchid jolt]

https://youtu.be/qLJsWPIKbFo

Yeah I think I'm going to go to sleep now at the very least take a nap

[hushed steeple]

Already? I just came here, well theres always tomorrow, you sleep well!

[orchid jolt]

Well the impact could very well just be as little as sky kids helps Prince out of forest area, skykid plays music for Prince on top of snowy mountain, it doesn't have to be a big impact for technically be an impact on the future

[half shadow]

I personally really like a theory I saw on Tumblr that TLP crossover is literally some sort of recorded dream from the Vault’s archives that skykids are able to access

Dream and/or storybook. I’ll admit, I lowkey have beef with TLP due to having to read it in like, sixth grade, and really not vibing with the way it was taught to me. Thank you to Sky for letting me ease off that old grudge!

[hushed steeple]

Thats beautiful irony. Adults forcing a story about how adults are all incorrect onto children.

[half shadow]

Ha, I mean, if you’ve read the book it’s pretty wonderfully tongue in cheek about that the whole way through! I can easily see why devs chose TLP as a crossover, honestly, given the major emphasis in Sky on the freedom of youth.

Honestly, I really just hated being forced to read things lol

[modern cedar]

do you think skykids can cry? what would their tears be? just drops of light?

[neat flint]

There’s cry emote

Y e s

[hushed steeple]

Hello lore chat, does this path looking thing mean anything?

[hushed steeple]

Idk I think they always cry,
They’re eyes are closed under the mask—

Wait then why does the chibi mask blink? <><>

[modern cedar]

it does slightly resemble the Isle constellation but i don’t think it was intentional

[upbeat rampart]

no idea and I don't expect this to be any serious but what if it's some sort of a mark?

Mark in the sense, what if the place was, like valley, covered in snow? And there they made a mark (old times) and when it changed to a more lively place it stayed?

Idk

[icy spruce]

Or maybe staff?? I mean, Isle has a staff and uh ye

[hushed steeple]

I mean everything does look like valley to be honest

[upbeat rampart]

Maybe it was originally a cold place but the essence stuck with Valley since they utilised it and loved it, based on their persona, and others moved out because it didn't suit them?

[hushed steeple]

Hmmmm yeah,
I could think of that 🤔

Nice idea/thought too
Or theory

[upbeat rampart]

Surprised it actually looked valid to someone, thank you ^^

[hushed steeple]

Yw!

[frozen pivot]

im not relating to ur theory in anyway, idek wat ur theory suggests and how it works even as a joke. i know they are seperate worlds, but starlight desert and office arent even relevant to the theory other than proving that they theoritically can be canon through vault's logic

might sound like a lunatic, talking about logic, let alone vault's. i dont think they addressed tlp whether its entirety is canon or not either

[upbeat rampart]

From what my view is, probably the prince visited there once? Or memories (of different people) had meshed into two entities with different thoughts, namely the rose and the prince, with their own understanding of the world?

To express their views in life and also is a "fun" (their idea of fun) thing to do, like a visual explanation instead of just ranting?

I know this is very far fetched and is not canon to the books (obviously not) one bit but maybe not so much to Sky lore as well (in the sense, something like from the wise spirit explaining things in the most broad and honest way)...it could, perhaps, make sense...I guess idk

Consider it like VR of sorts but just Vault members making it for their idea of a good past time. Perhaps. Honestly their idea/motivation behind it would not make sense so I'd agree if you said that it is disproven by <insert facts>.

[frozen pivot]

most theories are far fetched; speculative, it doesnt matter as long as u believe in it and understand it clearly urself

[upbeat rampart]

True. Well, thank you for that!

I could believe in it but just not the reason, otherwise everything falls into place...ish.

[gilded fossil]

/guys, why is the temple ost for forest is Scattered Toys

/like, what toys??? why toys??? those were machines not toys--------why scatterd?????????? i have questions-

[upbeat rampart]

..toys-?

ss? Because I've misinterpreted em, perhaps

[gilded fossil]

/the ost Light,chekc the ost. the music for the forest temple is named Scattered Toys

[frozen pivot]

i mean u can refer to any machines as toys. wealthy people for example refer to their cars as toys

[hushed steeple]

“Light mushroom sounds not pretty enough. What should we call the mushroom to make it sounds like not a mushroom?”

“Use a flowery word or something, light....bloom, sure call it a bloom”

[scarlet delta]

in the switch trailer when the stars fall that's when all the humans die? i also don't understand what the grassy valley of dawn is supposed to represent, it used to be grassy and then turned into a desert?

[frozen pivot]

switch trailer is set centuries before the disaster, back when civilization still thrives

[rigid mural]

Found these in prairie. Respectively in the caves, the village and bird nest.
Anyone got something to say about that ?

They look like maps to me.

[solemn bison]

Coincidentally I also watched the switch trailer today
So is the land that's show Isle of Dawn? At the start i thought it could be Wasteland?

[frozen pivot]

the last land it shows is isle of dawn, the pillars is a great detail to confirm that

actually, rather than pillars, they seem to be more like boarding platforms for boats

[hushed steeple]

Eel, turtle, sparrow. Cut spirits from light awaits. But the drawings still mach each animal they where.

[frozen pivot]

light awaits remaster perhaps? wink wink

[hushed steeple]

I’ve already taken to building fantasized wishlist versions of sky. A console only sky would be the only hope for so many of those things, and that would cut off way too many.

[frozen pivot]

they could do that but it'll render mid range devices unable to run the game

[primal verge]

Tell me a sky conspiracy theory

[icy spruce]

OOoOoOoOoOOO, TuRns OuT SKy Is a SImUlATIon

[sharp lichen]

“Vault is actually a dream” and “Trials aren’t real”

[orchid jolt]

pretty sure these were cut spirits. I heard beta once managed to activate them

[orchid jolt]

The dev-caped kid in the office is actually the sky prince and uses discord on the computers in the office with the username @pastel brook

[icy spruce]

where are my 220 hearts

[icy spruce]

It’s actually like light collecting. Basically you collect lights and if you collected all of them you get a candle (instead of cut spirits)

[orchid jolt]

ohhhh

[nimble ingot]

I saw old beta videos showing players used to complete quests similar to reliving spirit memories when they trigger these things.

The spiritual creatures that appeared on them used to be based on real life animals.
The first one was an eel, and the second used to be a sea turtle. I dont know what the third one was supposed to be.

Later on, they were removed but the constellation markers stayed behind.

[orchid jolt]

in the concept art you can see one of the being you may have been able to trade with (the fish on the bottom left)

[nimble ingot]

I hope those flying stone fish would be added to the game.
They give off serious Atlantis vibes and would be fun to play with

[icy spruce]

If they did, our phones will exploded /j

But I agree, they look cute and ch o n k

[nimble ingot]

I think it would be worth it.

[orchid jolt]

As they once planned for you to be able to save dark creatures, its possible that after saving them you could trade with them (like how you can trade with spirits after freeing them). There is a concept dark creature that looks similar to the fish you could trade with (top right)

[orchid jolt]

could you send me those videos if you still have them?

[naive sequoia]

Underwater Sky when tgc

[half shadow]

Side note I love the skykid’s hair in this

if we got underwater sky I think I’d actually cry. if it isn’t immediately obvious, I kind of am a whole nerd for anything ocean related

Sky/Abzu crossover

[orchid jolt]

yah, the closest thing to the mote hair now would be the forest elder's hair.
Especially how the sky kid messes it up in the image this links too: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[half shadow]

that comic is so stinkin’ cute

[orchid jolt]

I mean, Abzu is made by Giant Squid which is made up of mostly people who were part of TGC (I think) so its not that far fetched i guess

[half shadow]

They should merge to form the ultimate game company: That Giant Squid

[orchid jolt]

of course it could be a similar situation to Journey where the game is owned by something outside of Giant Squid, but I really dont know.

[half shadow]

Style wise I feel like Abzu and Sky occupy the same niche. Now I wanna draw the little diver character hanging out with a moth

[orchid jolt]

the people at Giant Squid had left TGC I dont think they want to merge with TGC, though they may do colabs (I tried to ask whether there was any bad blood between the two companies but I didnt get an answer lol)

[half shadow]

oh ha don’t worry it wasn’t an actual suggestion I just like giant squid (the animal) 🦑🦑🦑

[nimble ingot]

https://youtu.be/bQTH0bLyvh4

The eel in the caves: 33:20
That sea turtle: 4:40:04
I could not find the sparrow, sorry.

Bonus: the chat boat in day :) 49:10

[half shadow]

Ahhh the eel and sea turtle!! I love them. gone but not forgotten…

I think it’s really interesting to have a book as the first official collaboration season. Really opens up the possibilities for whatever could be the next one, I think

[orchid jolt]

i think i have the wrong time for the turtle lol

hmm, seems like it was done before 58:00

[orchid jolt]

Someone time stamped the turtle in a reply to a comment in the comment section, it was 26:58. The person who said it was Tedibae

[dry ivy]

Huh! Interesting to see the early proposed ideas for the currency/energy system. Motes...

Dawwww this is one of the first Sky fanart I ran into, and one I’ve long remembered. Thanks for allowing me to finally save it to my phone!!

[orchid jolt]

uhhh guys, i think we may know what the skulls in wasteland were from

[dry ivy]

How about the Diver and Journey Traveler hangin’ with the Moth? Little moth bab meeting their cousins!!
Water, Desert, Sky :>

Edit: come on, auto correct, it’s BAB.

[orchid jolt]

near the turtle in the light awaits video skyraider007 shared with us we can see a familiar skull

[dry ivy]

I hope we can see a real life whurtle in game at some pt

[nimble ingot]

That video is 11 hours long and the person was running through the realms multiple times.
They might have done the turtle twice.
I am on mobile atm.

[orchid jolt]

still, your the one who shared the video and I can't thank you enough!

[orchid jolt]

was- was the eel just a line or was it just to bright?

Like, compare the eel with the turtle

[true grove]

https://youtu.be/eIJGvDv9ZXE
Yup lol it's super bright, might've been a bug
The video is from tara's playlist which is in pins

[half shadow]

D’awwf, it’s a family reunion

[nimble ingot]

interesting thought about light awaits.
The first creature you would have met was a bird. But not just any bird, one that can talk and guided players.
I may be crazy, but am certain that bird was the dev's early in game idea of how the megabird guiding the player through their journey through sky.

I wonder if that is still the case in the current game or would that have changed at some point?

[distant turtle]

I feel that the original intro was Megabird "Now I call to you"

[nimble ingot]

same, though it did not necessarily suggest it.

[distant turtle]

Could be Isle Elder

But nah they have no face

But could be. I heard that the other Elders didn't respect Isle Elder. Maybe Isle was warning them

[nimble ingot]

they were not respectful of the elder that runs the boats? lol
Please say you know where you got that from.

[distant turtle]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message never found the video tho

[nimble ingot]

ty! ❤️

[crimson grove]

You're probably looking for this video
https://www.gdcvault.com/play/1025649/Evolving-Emotional-Storytelling-in-thatgamecompany

I'll add it to the pins

[nimble ingot]

I am watching it now, lol.
Thanks, @crimson grove 🙂
Glad to see I am on the right track.

[unborn gyro]

i really want to learn more about sky's lore, it intrigues me and somedays i wish it wasn't so vague.

[nimble ingot]

See it as giant image of connect the dots, @unborn gyro.
While some are already connected and you can see more to fill in, in the end though, there are parts of it that has not yet been revealed. So you are able to make your own version of a complete image.

The game does have very little written lore in the game, though as you at your own pace going over fan theories, you can build up a collection of lore.
If you have any questions or want to share thoughts, you are more than welcome to do so 🙂

Hope this helps.

[dry ivy]

Personally, that’s what makes it fun for me—a trail of breadcrumbs with some areas left uncharted on a map lol. Adds to this sense of adventure and encourages me to try to discover what might be hidden. I DO though, hope that some things are confirmed or revealed as time goes on with seasons and stuff...without some discovery of some treasure, and adventure doesn’t really feel like an adventure, no?

But part of the fun is the mystery...Sometimes some things don’t feel the same without the mystique, you know?

Like the Phantom Stranger, haha

[nimble ingot]

yup, just keep in mind that not all theories means they have to be true.
Try not to freak out about some of the extreme theories in this channel. Some are plausible, others are probable, some are insane and some are jokes.

[hushed steeple]

When you start playing sky for the first time you get an intro scene. And in this scene it keeps mentioning "stars" and showing the constellations constellations each realm. Are the stars here the elders or the realms themselves ? What are the elders purposes ? Do they rule the realms ? What do you people think ?

[rigid mural]

Examples of improbable theories ?

[rigid mural]

The fallen stars in the intro are confirmed to be elders !

[nimble ingot]

Winged light used to be called stars. I wonder where they are still called that?

The elders used to oversee the realms, now the realms are in ruin and the elders seem to be disconnected from them, though skykids can still see them when they meditate in the temples.

[nimble ingot]

King is dead, lol. (not enough emote letters).

[hushed steeple]

So the elders were like rulers ?

[nimble ingot]

yeah, each one ruled over their realms, and the spirits that lived there supposedly prayed to them in the temple.
That is at least a very likely theory (not sure if it is canon or not )

[hushed steeple]

Where in the temples would they be worshipped ?

They're very small and idk if a whole friggin KINGDOM would be able to share it hahaha

[nimble ingot]

The thrones where skykids meditate at candles. You see spirits gather too when you helped them for the first time.

[nimble ingot]

The skykids are small.
The elders on the other hand are the largest humanoid characters in the game, lol.

[hushed steeple]

Huh, that's it ?

[nimble ingot]

Interestingly enough, while the king is not physically present in the game (as in, no character model to compare hieght). In concept art, the king easily towers over the other elders. That guy was an absolute giant.

[hushed steeple]

Oh I was saying the temples are small, not the elders hahaha

When the sky kid sits down there's a cutscene where they meet the elder, but the temple or area looks veeeery different from where you are. So when the people sit there, could they br having visions of the elders rather than worshipping them ? 🤔

[pastel brook]

@hushed steeple Draw me a krill!

[hushed steeple]

Well, yeah. In the vault cutscene you can see a mural of a giant monster in a place that looks like eden. I'm guessing that's the king haha

[nimble ingot]

Well.
You are right that the elder's scenes are different to their temples. Even in the beta, some areas used to be bigger.
Some theorise that the elders are trapped in limbo, but wherever they are looks familiar to their temples (exception to dawn and forest, not sure why). Other say they are losing connection to the world, so their areas lose parts of what their temples used to be like.

Either way, the devs mentioned that the elders may not be present in their physical temples, which suggests the elders are not in the world and somewhere else.

And yes, the mural you see for eden. The large human like figure holding an orb and either screaming or about to eat the orb (open to debate), that is one of the few representations of the king.

[hushed steeple]

About to eat the orb... could the orb be a source of power ?

Wait, what are the other in-game drawing of the king ?

Or maybe the diamonds are a source of power, what if the orb used to be a source of power then the elders moved on to using diamonds to keep their worlds together ? What if this orb is in (eden spoilers) ||that huge volcano thing at the very end of eden ?|| and the reason we were sent there is to (eden spoilers) ||"free" lost souls, or whatever it is we do to those statues ?||

[nimble ingot]

Though uncomon for full body images, there are symbols of him, everywhere.

Before I continue, @hushed steeple
I you choose to go down this rabbit hole, there is no coming back.

So, choose wisely...

[nimble ingot]

Spoiler tags are not very necessary in the lore chat, as long as it is in the live version of the game, and not in beta.

[hushed steeple]

stuffs both pills down mah pipes

Let's continue

[nimble ingot]

lol, you brave soul.
Anything that has a star/diamond would refer to the king that supposedly used to rule over the elders, thus the whole kingdom.

[rigid mural]

The elders losing connexion to their temples is too sad for me , plus you clearly see they still got an influence on the world we fly around in (Forest Elder manages to lift and entire golden black water container thing to open the gates for example).
I'm gonna go on a leg and say that although weakened at first (hence the "dark" form) the skykids offering them light might connect them back to the world, giving them the strenght to open barriers.

Heck, 100%ing their constellation might be significantly helping them, hence the ultimate gifts.

[nimble ingot]

agreed, once the skykid give them some light, they get their own light back and were able to influence the world again.
A good example is the daylight elder placing a vase on the stand, and the candle in the temple's stand is replaced with a vase.

[nimble ingot]

lol, have we lost @hushed steeple ?

[hushed steeple]

Ghhhgf nooo I was in another server hold on I'll read it now haha

[hushed steeple]

The diamond I was talking about actually looks similar to the one the vault elder gives you in her cutscene ! It's also the same one the forest elder makes with your light and the same ones that when you hold your candle to them a door or gate opens up :>

[icy spruce]

Haalllooo, what’s the topic

Oooo, lore moff?

[nimble ingot]

Correct.
I am not sure if that is confirmed but it is very much possible that the diamond from forest elder is the same one in vault's scene.
Whether it was the skykid that brought it, or the vault elder received it, or even the vault elder kept another diamond is open to debate.

It would not be the only time a skykid carried an item the players has no access to (ex. the bell skykids ring for any spirit from the season of belonging).

[icy spruce]

Ohohohoohoho, have you told them those dark theories

[hushed steeple]

I don't think it's the same diamond. I think they're two separate diamonds. I think that all the diamonds in each realm are used as a source of power

[icy spruce]

It might be tho, since Bault and forest are canonically related

[nimble ingot]

shh...
I dont want to corrupt them

[icy spruce]

Fine, I’ll do it by myself

Also, have ye drop the docs?

If ye haven’t…..psst, hey kid, wants some docs that might help you in lore?

[rigid mural]

We got the Canon Lore doc yeah. Now hand over the dark theories

[icy spruce]

evil laughter intensifies anyway, wait let me just type almost every theories ik

[rigid mural]

I'm gonna go get dinner, you better hit me in the feels with that

[primal verge]

What even is going on in this chat

[lofty void]

Propaganda.

And lore too.

[timber thunder]

Stupid question. I’m trying to learn about the lore of this game and have no idea where to start so things make sense chronologically lol. Is there anywhere with a relatively solid timeline of things? I AM SO LOST AND CONFUSED SOMEONE PLS HALP ME LOL rn I have learned things allll over the place and they make no sense

[icy spruce]

Sadly, no there’s no timeline, tho there is the concept timeline

[harsh pecan]

Just stay here for a while and it’ll start to make sense

[timber thunder]

Alright, thank you

[harsh pecan]

You should also participate in conversations if you can

[nimble ingot]

Feel free to ask questions, share theories or your thoughts to other theories.
You will see howthe channel goes after you watched it long enough.

[icy spruce]

Oh no, I lost all the dark theories

Guess I gotta write them again

[strange siren]

Hi guys, I saw a long time ago in this channel that someone was investigating the meaning of sky glyphs? Had anyone been able to glean any meaning from them? If not are they in the lore docs so I can read about them?

[hidden vessel]

@strange siren this?

[strange siren]

Thank you so much I wouldve never found them

[hidden vessel]

you can go to the search bar on the top right and type in key words (such as "sky glyphs") and it should help you find things easier

[modern cedar]

so theoretically we could calculate the elders' heights by using max/min size (either chibi or giant spell) and measuring them next to our character

[icy spruce]

Ye ig

[modern cedar]

oh waiti its already been done nvm!!
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1AjO_2JGnhIJb93c8Fl66nzdIIRK0nxWO

why is prairie elder 15 feet tall--

[harsh pecan]

Just imagine the King’s height….

[icy spruce]

Turns out, King is shorter than a chibi and is just portrayed as tall because…..propaganda…

Hallo

[restive cosmos]

hi

[harsh pecan]

really?

[restive cosmos]

wait a sec,doesnt that mean,OREO IS THE KING!!!!!!!!!!

(dramatic music)

[rigid mural]

10ft 😳

[lofty void]

T-Ten feet tall…

[rigid mural]

Ok but they put the twins at different heights when they are the same...

[rigid mural]

Lady Dimestricu 🤝 Forest Elder

[lethal stump]

would you like an introductory google doc that explains the basics ? it doesn’t include a timeline but it explains things that most folks wouldn’t know from a casual play-through

[timber thunder]

Omg that would be super awesome!!!

[lethal stump]

Hello new Lore Moff!
Read this short document to get started! Once you’ve read this, check out pins for more information.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18B1-SKG3toG0oH0VhOWC5o-cG9u0STAN92QvmbhTDto/edit

[icy spruce]

Hallo and what’s the topic?

ohoohhohoohohhoohh, another lore moff I see :)

[harsh pecan]

Apparently Peppa Pig is taller than one of the Valley Elders

[icy spruce]

Nice, thank you for this valuable information (it’s super helpful)

[harsh pecan]

Idk why but I hear Childe’s laugh while reading that-

[modern cedar]

dear random person in home who put down a table and asked me politely where meditation spot was: you are welcome and i hope you have a wonderful day

[jade river]

would be fine if i just dropped a huge load of lore, specifically my sky theory which is like, 800 words, yes im being seriously

[icy spruce]

Ye sure, we love lore

[jade river]

okay if i get muted i'll understand it xD

[icy spruce]

What

[timber thunder]

hi it me

[lethal stump]

folks don’t get muted for long messages, otherwise all the lore aficionados would be muted lol. we write a lot ! and we love new theories !!

[icy spruce]

Ye, if you scroll really way up. You’ll see the great wall of theories

[jade river]

alr here goes my theory its very long fellas

huge emphasis that this is my personal theory and shouldn't be considered canon, there are possible mistakes and continuity errors, any feedback and opinion will be praised

it is unknown which species the old spirits are so to avoid confusion the old civilization will be reffered as "spirit kind"

about a many many centuries ago the old spirits lived and populated the former realms, it is known in fact (by switch trailer) that multiple realms exist prior to isle of dawn, centuries before any form of government could exist the old spirits lived sparsed into different tribes/groups, conflict existed but it was on a small level, as the population levels increased the tensions amongst this groups grew and grew forcing them to settle who would be the ruler of the realms leading to the trials of prophecy as each leader of this tribes/groups competed to prove who was the strongest, after the trial of fire the leader of the tribe of the valley (valley of triumph) rose as victorious becoming the ruler of the spirit kind, the kingdom was born and centered around the valley (becoming the capital) as decades passed new discoveries were made and the population grew with this kingdom becoming the greatest power in the known world leading to mass migration from far away realms to this lands, the kingdom began to rapidly invest into areas of investigation and knowledge, the vault was created as a way of preserving the history and discoveries of the spirit kind, one of this essential discoveries was diamond technology, by canalizing energy into a darkstone the power introduced would be doubled becoming a sort of generator of energy which powered things from fancy doors to the new built floating ships which revolutionized transportation and infrastructure.

despite how beneficial the revolution was to the kingdom's economy and society the pollution which was produced became a large issue yet it was ignored not only by the king himself but by its staff which lead to the destruction of the enviroment near the industrial sector (golden wasteland) alongside this the social inequality of the kingdom agravated with thousands working on the factories to increase the darkstone diamond production, this lead to massive social issues with workers demanding better conditions/rights and with opponents of the government criticizing the not stopping pollution of the world, this lead to massive internal and social division which would spark what is known as the kingdom's civil war

the greatest symbol of strength of the kingdom was the eden diamond, which worked as the greatest powerhouse of the kingdom, being built at the peak of the kingdom's golden age located at the top of the vault and king's palace, it was no doubt a show off of strength and power

despite the existence of such powerful artifact rebel groups began to form which were actively against the actions of the empire, at an unknown date this rebel groups began hostile strikes against the kingdom's trade routes, striking and destroying hundreds of cargo ships, the war begun and the realms of isle, praire and forest quickly fell into rebel control many members of the kingdom's army switched sides and began to aid the rebels, in a matter of days the king's forces were struggling to keep control over the capital at valley, being greatly outnumbered the king's forces retreated to the industrial sector and began mounting a massive defensive perimeter around the vault's entrance and GW's greatest factory, what went later was a process of stalemate.

during this period both sides began to deploy weaponry with the intentions of breaking the halt, the kingdom's forces began to deploy krills, beings of pure darkness which attacked the rebel armies which usually used mantas and whales as main transport and weapons, despite the high casualties the rebel armies managed to break the stalemate which lead to the battle of golden wasteland, the land was bombed by the rebel armies leading to many deaths of civilians, this bombings also halted the cargo of valuable darkstone gems (shipwreck) after being defeated the kingdom's forces entered the vault and began a evacuation to the top of the mountain, the vault priests by this point have broken off the kingdom's government and began to fight a third force with the goal of protecting the knowledge, the vault skirmish begun with both rebel armies and king's forces trying to breach through the vault, the priests which were skilled benders managed to repel both armies for long periods of time, enough time for the king and its forces to entrench themselves at the top of the mountain where they planned to weaponize the eden diamond and turn the tides of the war

the battle of eden was about to begin

in the meantime the rebels installed a new government around valley, after some months of close quarters combat in the vault the rebel armies were ready to launch a new offensive against the king's forces, the battle was brutal and during the battle the eden diamond's capabilities on war were proven as extremely effective but as the diamond's power was shifted more and more to a destructive mode it began to grew out of control and the technicians were unable to keep the power of the diamond at bay.

in what can be known as "death itself appearing" the diamond began to outburst tremendous amounts of energy which lead to the deaths of most if not all combatants at eden, not only eden was affected and the storm of both darkstone gems and debri engulfed the realms, the rebel government attempted to save as many civilians as possible but with the storm lasting centuries the efforts were in vain, only the ones at the most remote areas (underground caverns, far away places) were able to survive the cataclysm, after the storm calmed down and became stable the realms of sky began to be engulfed by clouds, clouds charged with energy from the diamond itself, which engulfed both destroyed areas and areas with survivors, this marked the start of the end of the spirit kind as time passed less children were born and the species began to dwindle in numbers, the children of the survivors began to explain the tales of doom, death and glory of the past, as time passed on the first children of the light fell from the skies towards isle of dawn, this marks the end of the spirit era, giving start to the skykid era.

and here we are today, studying and walking through the remains of a once glorious kingdom, may the tragedies of the past teach the skykids to build a better future

so thats my theory

[hushed steeple]

Now this is amazing. This is great. And truly a sad story yet we still have hope for the future, since can bring spirits and elders back home. I really did love this theory :D

[lethal stump]

i like it and for the most part i agree ! you just seem to have neglected the fall of the stars when it comes to the earlier portion of your theory. how do you explain that ? (along with the implied godliness of the elders)

[jade river]

Yeah there are some things i havent added i still need to fit them into my theory

[harsh pecan]

wow, just w o w

[jade river]

[harsh pecan]

Imma read it wait

[hushed steeple]

They really said: "heres all of sky history lol"

[lethal stump]

our theories are rather similar tbh. in mine, the elders were in Orbit as the ancestors (that’s the spirits) established themselves throughout horizon. after a good while of the ancestors being mostly independent, with the elders intervening a la greek gods, the elders were kicked out by megabird and from there the prince was crowned yada yada industrial revolution oppression WAR

[jade river]

I love how u skipped my entire theory by saying yadayada the concept of elders being like greek gods aint that bad tho

[lethal stump]

imo the prince was legabird’s son, and she forbid him from leaving orbit. but after he was like “heck you mom i’m gonna check out horizon” she got super mad and kicked out him and the elders (bc she thought the elders were a negative influence and persuaded him to leave)

edit: or megabird, megabird works too

[hushed steeple]

SHHEEEEESSH I SEE THAT 🤩

[modern cedar]

meanwhile my headcanon lore is "prince got sad and now he is become eden crystal"

[lethal stump]

when the prenc became king he forbid worship of megabird because Mommy Issues and made everyone worship him instead

[hushed steeple]

For me the elders were lost when they fell so megan sent the prince to help them and prince was like "why did you just throw me like that mom"

[modern cedar]

skykid gets yote: bruh why am i Born

[harsh pecan]

This is so good

[lethal stump]

megan: the elders are hecking up

prenc: are you gonna do something about it ?

megan: [glances at him]

prenc: ,,mom ?

megan: [yeets him] this is the same thing as doing something about the problem

[hushed steeple]

What if megan actually doesn't like what prince has become 👁️💧👁️

[modern cedar]

megabird said oops i screwed up... uhhh. eden crystal
is this just the biblical flood

[livid valley]

[lethal stump]

my general theory goes like such

• megabird creates her son, the prince
• prince asks for a family so megabird creates the elders (isle elder as a mentor, prairie elder as a caregiver, forest + vault elders as teachers, valley elders as siblings, and wasteland elder as a protector)
• megabird creates the ancestors
• ancestors create civilizations throughout horizon
• the elders exist in orbit and in varying capacities alongside the ancestors. each elder has a realm and is connected in different ways to their realm. (for example, the valley elders basically live in their realm as an escape from orbit, but wasteland elder stays in orbit alongside the prince)
  [the following is very greek tragedy esque because i’m a sucker for that kinda stuff]
• prince goes down to horizon and meets an ancestor who he falls in love with
• prince is an immortal god and the ancestor is just a mortal boy so the prince is like “if we sneak into orbit and eat this orbit fruit u can be immortal too”
• they do that
• megabird catches them
• megabird k!les the ancestor boy, throws out the elders, takes the prince’s Wings and Light
• in retaliation the prince steal’s megabird’s Light and she kicks him out into horizon
• prince goes through the trials to become King
• as king he puts megabird’s Light in the Eden Diamond to be both a power generator and a weapon
• worship of megabird is banned and those who still worship Her can’t say outright they do, but they wear capes as a symbol of solidarity with Her
• super industrialization, the ancestors are unequally exploited and abused by the kingdom’s government
• revolution happens in an attempt to overthrow the Elders + King. the elders join the revolution because they’re also sick of the king and want him gone.
• king beats the revolution and k!lls the elders
• he tries to go to orbit to fight megabird (godly mommy issues strike again). he does this by trying to use the eden diamond. instead it explodes, taking him and the whole kingdom with it
• megabird’s light is destroyed from the explosion so she makes the skykids to basically collect light and feed it to her every time they’re reborn, otherwise she’d waste away to nothingness

this was super shortened but it’s the General Idea

[hushed steeple]

Its a great idea, i dont know much about greek gods but i never focused too much into the whole "megan mom and prince son" abd i think this is a great way to explain their dynamic!

[harsh pecan]

Woah

[still marlin]

wow that is actually an amazing story dang

[modern cedar]

ooo

[graceful oasis]

I recovered my line and ended up being under the black essence it literally destroyed the cape

[harsh pecan]

Noones talked here in hours

[lofty void]

Chat got krilled 😔

[neat flint]

New cgk champion

[lofty rover]

... i came for the tlp quest and.. did the boy just stay unfazed with the krill? THERE IS A ONE MINUTE COUNTER WHY.

[hushed steeple]

So is the megabird like, some supreme god? I feel like so. Like it is the Creator and also the Destructor.

And how does it look like (ow how could it look posibly)

Something in this this shape? I'm interested about this entity. And is it good or bad?

[hushed steeple]

This sounds very Hollow Knight-ish lore like.

[rigid mural]

Well now I need to type out MY theory of the entire sky history LMAO
same disclaimers as above.

[icy spruce]

Hallo

[lofty rover]

Megabi sometimes looks like an ice cream scoop

[neat flint]

Hi

[icy spruce]

Oh hi Resh, long time no see

The ‘long time no see’ ._.

[lofty rover]

squint what did ya edit

Also ye no, don't see me. I am not here I won't be back until a while yet. Unless something big happens in that event I'll mostly miss the event ;_;

[harsh pecan]

Hello

[icy spruce]

Oh mkay :(

[delicate osprey]

Hello lore chat!

[icy spruce]

Hi

(I did not see what you said but it had smthng with /srs, so I’m sorry)

[lofty rover]

squint

[hushed steeple]

Hello guys! I have a simple question: what's in the jars that many spirits seem to carry around or carry on boats?

[delicate osprey]

Well, in prairie most of them have butterflies..

[lofty rover]

butterfliessss

[hushed steeple]

I wonder what the point of jarring butterflies is 🤔

[icy spruce]

Diamonds

[delicate osprey]

To recharge ourselves!

[lofty rover]

Monetary reasons

[hushed steeple]

Some of the spirits seem to have wings too, so that would make some sense!

[delicate osprey]

But I've never seen them fly, so thats a question.

[icy spruce]

they don’t know

/j

[hushed steeple]

Mhhh that is true 🤔 could it be that those butterflies "power" their boats? Just a crazy guess, I don't remember much

[delicate osprey]

Oh wait I have an idea!

To deep honk on them so they can fly

[hushed steeple]

Can spirits honk? I'm not sure if I heard or saw any of them honk when reliving their memories 🤔

[icy spruce]

I mean, we get honks from spirits so I assume yes

[lofty rover]

They just stand holding the flutterbys like a statue usually

[hushed steeple]

I'm curious what Vela has to say, they've been typing for long 👀 could it be that those jars contain some kind of offering? I believe in some mural in the game those spirit people are shown flying on boats towards the sky, carrying those jars with them... I'm not sure though :')

[lofty rover]

VELA IS THE REASON I AM STILL DAMN ONLINE

[icy spruce]

Vela is the next Abdjjoi

(For context, Abdjjoi typed in lore chat for 10 hours and then their first message was ‘Henlo ’)

[lofty rover]

Did I imagine seeing butter type?

[hushed steeple]

I don't know anything, hopefully my questions make at least some sense... but I still don't know who spirits are, who elders are, what children of light are, what all those animals are and so on... I need some insight haha :') all I know is I love this game and I would love to know more!

[lofty rover]

Ayy that's what this place is for.. I would love to tell you but I am actually not active here atm. (Irl stuff keeping me away from the game ;_;)Only here to know what vela is typing rn
(PS I swear butter is here)

[icy spruce]

Oooo, a lore moff! Do you need some docs that might help you understand a bit more on lore?

[hushed steeple]

Y E S T H A T I S E X A C T L Y W H A T I N E E D

[icy spruce]

Well you got the right person kid
opens coat

Lore Moff Doc (credits to Bricky)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18B1-SKG3toG0oH0VhOWC5o-cG9u0STAN92QvmbhTDto/edit?usp=sharing

The Canon Lore Doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/10ZWJRGiJSrIXgDvJ4pST61moZbVB_hBExUjOaF-pmOE/edit?usp=sharing

The Theory Vault
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-SOY_5WrhQ2ftVZEM9VMBsz92-n_53kBzQoHKmY2-24/edit?usp=sharing

Sky Leitmotifs
https://docs.google.com/document/d/19p_7mI1bI4fxKBk5ogVJCTsU7hzLJejqBgQTSJDAjuo/edit?usp=sharing

[hushed steeple]

Thank you, that was a very cool and scenic way to deal some lore!

[icy spruce]

Np!

[lofty rover]

Now gimme a heart chesca /j

[oak axle]

I’m curious, how did the spirits came to be? Was the emote that they are known for the last thing that they did?

[thin dirge]

Okay, you know what? I realized I do not have the ability to stay quiet and continue to lurk in this chat. I lost, oof

Uhhh.... Whats with this slowmode?

[icy spruce]

Well, spirits are prolly born from Megabirb (PROLLY the deity of Sky). For emotes, we don’t know tho it’s prolly their most memorable memory

Why, I do not owe you debts (To Resh)

Oh hi Butterfly, long time no see

GOOD QUESTION! I have no idea, one day slowmode was just like that ig

[lofty rover]

Aha! I got the butter out. Anywho I need hearts lmao. Since I don't play much. Yeah the slow mode is irritating.
Also I still wanna know what Vela is typing
And o yes I too think it's the most memorable memory of theirs that got left behind

[thin dirge]

Well, was gonna say something, but I realized I haven't chatted in here for quite sometime, so I figured "Well, maybe I'll just stay and lurk and not freak them out"

Until I realized I do not have the ability to keep myself quiet and make myself stay away fron this chat, lol.

I think Vela is writing their theory on the whole timeline of Sky

[oak axle]

I’m sorry but MEGABIRB?

[icy spruce]

Megabirb is prolly the deity of Sky (in concepts anyway-) or the name of the universe Sky is in :D

[lofty rover]

Looks like ice cream ngl.
I keep forgetting the timer. Lmao butter i lurked a couple times in the past few days and never saw anyone I knew and just left lmao.
If Vela types for 10 more minutes it'll be an hour.
Oh dang I wasted an hour imma leave to study now. Nice seeing ya'll.

Chesca just ready to say goodbye I see. squint

[oak axle]

Ah oki. Now I got one more question: What are Elders? Are they some kind of demi-deities?? High-priests??? What are they actually??

[jade river]

i would like to believe that megabird isnt a living thing but rather, a galaxy, a huge celestial body made out of thousands of stars, the spirits worship it as a god as ancient civilizations on earth worshiped the stars

[icy spruce]

Well, if you want the canon info….tbh, there’s not much info about them aside from them being Ancient, no gender, ageless, yknow. But imo, I think they are like demi-gods :D

[thin dirge]

Yeah, Elders seem to be demi-gods, the people who leads/guides the ancestors
(if the new intro for Sky is any indication)

[upbeat rampart]

I like to think they're the head of the realms, could be wrong but that's what I thought at least

[oak axle]

Imma HC the elders as High-priests while the Eden King is a deity

[lofty rover]

After the switch trailer I think they are from the race of the people we see in that trailer

[icy spruce]

No need to spoiler here since this whole chat is a spoiler (tho beta stays in beta)

[upbeat rampart]

Imo demi-gods never crossed my mind cause I thought they were the head.

The normal people were the spirits, Elders as the head of them

[oak axle]

Oki

[upbeat rampart]

Wait Eden King? I did play though Eden but I don't distinctly remember Eden King...or I just missed but yeah (did you refer to Vault Elder by any chance in there?)

[oak axle]

The one in the last cutscene in Vault of Knowledge, yeah

[upbeat rampart]

Oh Vault of Knowledge Elder is also the Eden Elder basically? The corrupted King?

[icy spruce]

Eden elder exists! Tho we don’t know much about them aside from them can’t be saved but Eden elder might be the King (king exists in concept and current Sky)

Nope, Eden elder is a seperate entity from the other elders

[thin dirge]

My own theory is that the King/Prince was a Sky kid that was meant to act as a bridge between Elders, Ancestors and Creatures. (a connecting point between all beings, pretty much)

If you look closely at the base designs of our skids, you'll notice small details based off of all three.

The faded out diamond design on their chest is the same as the Elders. They have triangle patterns at the edge of their clothes like Ancestors. And finally, heir cape and flight being just like that of the Light Creatures

In other words, a fusion of all three

[lofty rover]

In my head there are two different species: the ones we see in the switch trailer and the stars that fell. The elders I think are of the original settlers of the former race and their job was to ascend the souls of the deceased.

[upbeat rampart]

Ah, okay! I think I perhaps missed it...don't remember them

[oak axle]

No, when the constellations were revealed to represent what they are, Eden’s constellation was the last one to be revealed, it showed a man (or elder) with a crown kneeling down

[hushed steeple]

I definitely agree, elders look a lot like ancients, and don't look like children of light

(Bold of you to assume I read canon chesca ✨ )

[icy spruce]

I mean, aren’t Elders, ancestors and skids canonically separate species

[upbeat rampart]

WAIT THEY WERE THE EDEN KING?

I considered crown constellation symbolic of our friendship constellation or something

[lofty rover]

Idk Ehe when have you seen me check out any canon doc lmao

[rigid mural]

...huge, HUGE wall of text incoming.

[icy spruce]

Yay

[oak axle]

Now that reminds me

What does the crown constellation even come from?

[rigid mural]

LIGHT ERA

• Story starts with the fall of the elders, which may have been litteral stars. Valley twins come from the same star that split (hence their "incomplete" individual look like one eye and one organic arm each, forest elder may have made them prosthetics hence their janky other arm).
• They might have had a vagrancy period before settling down in which they, still fresh from their fall, created the ancestors. It might have been an unconscious creation but my headcanon is that ancestors at least believe themselves to come from stardust.
• Elders eventually settle down if they didn't already and teach their respective crafts to the ancestors as a way to assert their authority. Isle Elder seems to have a thing for transports (boat mask) for instance.
• It's at this moment that the whole Prophecy part fits in. The Prince falls from the sky, completes the trials and accesses a place in power. Sent by the Isle Elder, they go under the tutelage of the Vault Elder (hence their presence behind them when they climb Eden) to learn how to control these powers. Eden, who until then was sacred and a migration destination for light creatures, gains its signature beam.
• With the gift of the elements to the 4 elders that didn't know them well, the prince, now king achieves their final step to the throne, with the elders as advisors in court and head of their own part of the kingdom. Prairie gains its rich fauna, Forest does not fear fire anymore, Valley gets its iconic races and the Wastes get citadels, at first to show off the glory of the kingdom and protect the Vault. By now they are already old and content with the relative stability they have, maybe someone with ambition could push them to new heights. The king is crowned in Eden.
  _ _

DARKSTONE ERA

• The Elder of the Forest finds darkstone on their territory, Vault elder finds its properties and the King favorises the spread of the technology across their kingdom. It is welcomed with open arms, heralding a new golden era.
• Population exploded, increasing demand. And soon scarcity came and there I follow most voices that say the civilization turned its gaze to light creatures who produce waste upon death.
• With the scarcity, part of the population might have migrated closer to Eden away from more "rural" regions that might have lost power quicker. Mayhaps predominantly in Valley where there are more habitations and they already got the power of air as a source of energy (I headcanon that what unsavory things needed to be hidden in Valley ended up in Wastelands, hence the fall you make at the end of the level. Perhaps the Elders feel ashamed). The less fortunate could have moved to the forest as miners. As an aside, I don't think the Elder there meant for all that pain to happen, but they were (and seemingly are still) so sucked up in their work they did not want to lose steam when they are providing to the entire kingdom.
• The beginning of the end starts when krills (who were here before the prince became king but probably in fewer numbers as we see in the Cave of Prophecy), drawn by the misery and despair, start attacking, further accentuating the problem. Might explain why some areas in Valley and Forest look like something went in there and caused destruction despite not being Wastelands. The migration route is closed as the smog above Wastelands is unliveable, and light creatures become restless and leave.
• It culminates at a point where strife among spirits for resources makes everything worse. Not sure of the details but that intestinal war was the Wasteland's death sentence. Elder successfully protected the Vault but I don't think it was what primarily led to Eden back in the day anyway.

[thin dirge]

OOH
Hey, this reminds me of that time where I also shared my own interpretation of the entire Sky timeline as well. Pretty lengthy

[upbeat rampart]

I believed it was a symbolism to the fact that Crown represents the very close friendship that we have who are important, just like a king to his crown, giving the king an identity.

[rigid mural]

(cont.)

• King decides to build an arch (I love that concept art) containing almost everyone to calm the crowd. They wanted to reach the stars using the Eden beam to fly off. The colossal boat turns on at the end of a ceremony...

_ _
THE STORM

• ...And promptly explodes due to the energy at play, with the king right above the epicenter. This kicks up the eye of Eden. Those that didn't die instantly on the ark perish on their way back to farther away areas, but it's already too late. The massive shockwave might have hurled clouds so thick across the planet it may have looked like the sky was devoid of stars (hence the stars falling in the switch trailer).
  In any case, it takes a long time for sky kids to appear, during which the ancestors are encased in dark dust, the elders lose power slowly in limbo and stuff gets covered in soil before the skies start to clear again and grass grows on the ruins.
  _ _

[oak axle]

May I ask what ark are we talking about?

[icy spruce]

Forgotten Ark, I think

[upbeat rampart]

I believe forgotten ark (because that's the only ark introduced but idk)

Also for slowmode editing posts?? Like we can edit our posts until then IDK Y'ALL

[oak axle]

HOOOOOOOOOOO (someone please shorten the slowmodeeeee)

[icy spruce]

Yes please, I miss the time where lore chat never even had slowmode

[oak axle]

Now I’m curious about one thing tbh, at the end Season of Assembly, players were sad on the theory that the Assembly spirits died when the Storm happened

[rigid mural]

Absolutely not the forgotten ark, the one I'm talking about is HUGE. It's in Tom Zhao's concept art site.

[icy spruce]

OHHH THAT (to the Ark)

Also, the reason why it’s sad because that most likely happened (Assembly)

[oak axle]

Sadly I can’t see it anymore

[oak axle]

Well honk the season maybe wholesome and chaotic but good lord how it came to be is actually so sad

maybe that’s why when we first saw the treehouse, it was far from finished

they all died not finishing their treehouse

[icy spruce]

Ye

[upbeat rampart]

Please don't do this to my poor heart, no
I have yet to finish it completely but NO

[oak axle]

I AM EXTREMELY SORRY BUT THAT’S MY REALIZATION

[upbeat rampart]

But I can't see any possible explanation except that so 😭

[rigid mural]

It's still here; can't zoom in on phone but it's on the time-line concept.

[thin dirge]

Hmm, I wonder if I should share my own interpretation of the Sky timeline again...

Tho its really long, took me several hours of converstaion to actually share the whole thing

U sure?

[oak axle]

No it literally said “no longer exists”

[lofty rover]

Ahh vela typed for an hour I will read the thing later but yes.. my life is complete now.
Also is that articuno?!

[rigid mural]

https://www.tomzhao.com/sky1
It's right here

[oak axle]

Thank you

[hushed steeple]

What's the importance of that star symbol which pops evrywhere

[icy spruce]

KING PROPAGANDA

Oh wait, u’re not talking about King(?)

[upbeat rampart]

For lighting purposes? I mean stars do give light and you know, light. That's all I can think of

Also y'all, about transparent manta call and another in the forest, what was those bones about? Which creature and why did it stop existing? Could it be because of the weather change?
(This reinforces my idea that it snowed everywhere in all realms but later most changed but I could be wrong of course)

[hushed steeple]

What could be that creature? What's with the whale call?

[upbeat rampart]

I don't really know, it's just something I found as an odd thing to exist there.

[hushed steeple]

what separates the king and the prince from the elders, and are they connected to the megabird?
Maybe. The white kid the black room (in eden) is presumably the Prince.

[upbeat rampart]

The golden one?

Also what is our connection to those who give winged light? Were they the stonechildren or did we die that many times in the past and we were given life about 100 times? Ish?

[oak axle]

Off topic but I’m having a Tom Zhao brain rot-

[hushed steeple]

In the concept art, it's sai the skykids started ||dying|| trying to save the king, and we,are the final decendant to make it through, and we encounter the Prince.
We hug him and fly out into Orbit.

[thin dirge]

I guess since a lot of ppl said yes, Im gonna share it. Btw, my interpretation on the lore differs a bit from the concepts, most of them are based on what I saw from the game rather than the concepts themselves. Some parts may also be outdated since I haven't really been active at all with the game, so yeah.

The events and timeline of Sky are split into 2 parts. The time where the Kingdom prospered and fell, and the time that came after.
In my own interpretation, the current part of the timeline we play in Sky: COTL is already "Part 2" of the "Post-Fall of Sky" Era

[rigid mural]

You mean this ?

[hushed steeple]

Yes, I meant this. I think there's more too?
DAMN SLOWMODE

[oak axle]

Wait so the light kid at the end of Eden….

gASPS WHAT IF THAT WAS THE PRINCE???

[orchid jolt]

fun fact, this is true about the designs of the sky kids, here's an official concept art showing this. And even though the concepts are not necessarily canon, since this is really just about the design i think its safe to assume this idea stayed the same.

[hushed steeple]

So skykids are part of a species called "Descendants". But descendants of what? The Elders, or Spirits (Like Butterfly charmer, or Troupe Juggler)

[pastel brook]

It is only with the heart that one can see rightly

[hushed steeple]

Eh?

[orchid jolt]

of course, its not a fusion of elders, ancesters, and light creatures, but rather a fusion of the ancestors, flames, and creatures. hoever, the ancestors and elders share similar designs, so it could be meaning the ancestral races.

[orchid jolt]

sky kids are likely not related to elders or ancestors, or even each other. they are supposedly stars.

[thin dirge]

Beginning
First, there was darkness. And then the Light came, and that light became countless of stars and lights, forming the "Megabird"
Every being was born from the Light and is a part of the Light. The Megabird is actually a combination of all these beings acting together as one. Every one is an incarnation of the Light itself. Think of the saying "We are the universe trying to understand itself". This is just like that.

The Elders were beings to guide the creatures and ancestors. One day, ancestors, Elders and creatures were born into the land. This was the beginning of civilization.

Over time, the population grew. Many dwelled on the shores of Isle. The Prophets came in, as a messenger of the Megabird. One day, they recieved a prophecy of a blessing that shall give them prosperity. Four lights, each with a different kind of aspect of light (Water, Earth, Wind and Fire) shall come to their land, and a Child of Light shall come and guide the people.

[hushed steeple]

Like, fallen stars? I mean it looks like that.

[thin dirge]

Oof, I think it'll take ages for me to finish this like last time

Why did I make my own lore so long and complicated

Hmm, I'll see if I'll be able to shorten it enough, lol

[rigid mural]

Sky kids are canonically not the same as elders; devs confirmed they won't grow up to be like them.

[hushed steeple]

But spirits? They kinda look similar to spirits.

[orchid jolt]

yes, but it is technically a possibility of something akin to evolution we have in our own world. Of course, this is also unlikely hence why i said its not likely that they are related to them. They probably dont reproduce in a traditional sense

[thin dirge]

(oh yeah, I think some parts of this lore now differs from the previous one I shared due to new lore reveal)

Soon, the four lights that were prophesized to come were seen falling from the sky. The Prophets found them, and gave them to the Elder, who sent them to a realm where they can only be acquired through trials, trials thag only the Child would be able to go through.

Dawn
More time has passed, and many, many more ancestors now dwell Isle.
One night, a star was seen falling from the sky, that briefly lit up the night as it entered dawn. This event was seen in a memory of one of the spirits. This was the coming of the Child of Light.

The Child came into their world and was greeted by the ancestors in the place. The Prophets and the Elder came to them, and taught them what they know and what the child should do next. The Child was sent to the Cave of Prophecies, where they would go through the trials.

(Okay, this part is more headcanon-ish)
The Child went through the Caves, and met the Prophecy guide. But the guide was also young at the time (pretty much a kid as well). With the help of the guide, the Child learned from the trials and passed, fulfilling the Prophecy. The Child also accquired their first friend. And it was here that they was given a name by their new friend, "Prince" .

Prince, with all the four lights, gave life to the Isle, making the grass green, creatures and butterflies flying around, calm seas and also soft breeze. Isle became what we saw in the Nintendo trailer

FJDKSKDJSK, This was only part one, this is gonna take ages, lmao

Ugh, idk if I have the motivation to finish this, oof

[rain lance]

is it just me or 11wings look like Megabird image?

what if by buying wing locks sky kids become closer to that diety?

[orchid jolt]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message
Edit: Look at the middle left of the image

[rain lance]

this makes sence

[hushed steeple]

It actually does. Our flap count looks like Megabird. Maybe we are the offsprings of this entity?

[hushed steeple]

...what if mega bird isn't a bird spirit thing ?

What if it's a sky kid spirit thing ?

[dry ivy]

YO SO YOU DO FLY OUT OF THE KING??

I had a fun little head canon that if a Skid did “fight” the King, the battle would end with them zooming into the King’s heart somehow and finding the Prince to hug and free

[dry ivy]

It’s also interesting to see that the Bird is there to Uber them out of there at the end

[bold mantle]

why is the battle only at wasteland

probably because the vault was already attacked but the battle ended at wasteland

why the krills didnt invaded the other realms?

probably bc of them being prohibited to be exposed at light? i mean they're dark creatures

though i wonder what kind of thing they didnt listened to to cause them being sent at clouds and hiding and losing the light

golden wasteland must probably be a very nice place before it got attacked(っ˘̩╭╮˘̩)っ

[worn girder]

Golden wasteland’s Sky is completely covered with thick, grey clouds, with exceptions of some pockets for light to shine through
I’m guessing since it used to be a factory that the clouds in the sky are actually smog that built up from years of work, and without light from the sky as they’re covered up, darkness thrived there and took over

[dry ivy]

At the behest of another user on here, I took another look at my Skid’s cape when recharging. There indeed was a scale pattern!! I’ve never noticed it before...I wonder, is it supposed to look like scales or feathers? Or both? (Combining the physiology of both winged and sea creatures, something I’ve seen as a theme in the game. Sky’s creatures all look like a unique merging of sea and flying animals).

[pastel brook]

Ancestor spirits never understand anything by themselves, and it is tiresome for sky children to be always and forever explaining things to them

[dry ivy]

Isn’t it interesting that when the Skid opens the Wasteland Elder door, krill IMMEDIATELY appear? It really makes one rush to get inside and close the door lol.

But I wonder what attracted them?

Really gives one the sense that the Wasteland Elder’s fortress was one last stronghold against the krill hoard

[worn girder]

I feel like maybe it’s just to create a sorta time coincidence effect where like “aha the gate is open Oop krills just spawned let’s get the hecc outta here”

[dry ivy]

Yeah...I wonder what it looked like. It’s called GOLDEN, and sure, it probably references the great wealth that was there (whatever power or energy that the land boasted...material for power rocks or whatever)...but you think it might’ve referenced the way the place looked..?

[bold mantle]

though remembering the spirit memory,ofc its guarding but when that spirit got a signal,he made a signal with its horn, although that spirit was looking at the front 9f the big temple,makes me think that other sky spirits gets the door opened whenever that look out spirit gives signal? like the sky trailer?

[dry ivy]

(Nice Wheeljack pfp!)

Perhaps so. But it adds to the narrative somehow too. Even tho wasteland is empty when we first encounter it, this last part really shows that it is a really dangerous place...and perhaps was a lot more dangerous when the warrior Ancestors were around

[bold mantle]

yea,the first area of first krill we get to face looks like the same as forest temple but super broken one

but yea,i was still wondering what kind of rule or prohibited thing they did not follow

[dry ivy]

Ohhh! Ooh, on the lookout for krill I suppose, or his memory is when the stronghold was under attack by krill

Do you think this happened frequently?

Maybe just before or post fall period, something attracted krill to the place (the red power stone?), and the warrior ancestors had to fight off krill in the wasteland frequently to keep them away from the archives or power stone or the King. The murals seem to show this.

[bold mantle]

this lore leads to more questions,sobs

[dry ivy]

I know, but this is why the lore chat room exists

[bold mantle]

i guess krills already existed/invaded while spirits are still alive

reminds me of stealthy stance

trying to survive hhhhhh

[dry ivy]

I proposed on here a while ago that maybe creating the big red power stone was the thing. Obviously it used a different power source than the blue power stones, perhaps one that is more volatile. Other ppl on here stated that maybe there is both light and darkness energy in the Sky world: dark energy isn’t necessarily bad, but perhaps one that shouldn’t be messed with so candidly.

[worn girder]

I personally believe due to the factory setting, the heavy smog covered the sky and minimised the amount of light that could come in, thus darkness grew stronger there and the battle took place there, the battle was lost due to the lack of light and since then was taken over by darkness, leaving it abandoned and dead

Valley is bright, I’ve only just realised that there are 0 darkness plants throughout the realm other than the maze at the temple, which is connected to wasteland

Forest has a lot of darkness and probably has the most darkness plants second to wasteland, it’s constantly raining there and cloud cover is just as much, but the reason I think why darkness hasn’t taken over it yet is because the clouds are thinner and merely produced rain and wasnt heavily manmade unlike wasteland’s situation

Vault was like a bunker of some sort, the wasteland temple seems protected and guarded as it seems like lookout on it had taken place mostly there (hence ), Vault’s door is of course connected through the wasteland temple, so my guess why vault is 99% darkness free is due to such

[bold mantle]

it actually makes sense

[dry ivy]

Or maybe dark energy happens when light energy is used in a way it shouldn’t

Some people on here proposed that the Ancestors might’ve used creatures to create light fuel!! Which sounds like a really bad thing to do I think maybe some old concept art intimates this?

[dry ivy]

Ooh I like this theory! Nice!

[worn girder]

Wow I just spewed this all out like on the spot never have I felt so “oh my god it all make sense now!”

[dry ivy]

I think that is called an epiphany, my friend

We lore people live for those moments lol

[bold mantle]

though

UHH

WHYS THERE KRILLS AT EDEN ANYWAY

MAKES ME THINK ALL OF IT STARTED AT EDEN AND VAULT GOT ATTACKED AND ALL ENDED AT GW

BECAUSE IN MY PERSPECTIVE THE EDEN/ ORBIT IS THEIR HOME RIGHT?? BUT THEY JUST HAD TO LIVE IN CLOUDS?

[dry ivy]

I feel really stupid since I’ve played thru Eden twice already

There are krill there???

[bold mantle]

oml..yes..😭

[dry ivy]

Hey, I believe you!

Ohhhhhh now I remember. I’m dumb. It’s the EYE OF EDEN. Right! Bunch of krill there. Eaten me too many times

For some reason, the word Eden makes me think of the final Heaven area. Gotta remember that it includes the red stormy area too

[bold mantle]

old concept of eden is so cool,color blue hahahha

[worn girder]

And to add on to the theory that vault may had been a bunker of some sort (although it kinda doesn’t seem likely now that I think about it kahdkhsksnsk)

It’s levelled like irl bunkers that were built to survive heavy destruction from wars, although we never saw it I feel like the hallway that connected vault and wasteland temple actually lead to a flight of stairs all the way down to the ground floor, so vault may be underground

Krills may or may not had entered vault, but I don’t think they have as there’s no real signs of their presence there other than the crabs in basement

as for Eden.. I have no clue how the door to eden from vault is gotten to physically as we seem to just meditate, watch the council decide our fate then suddenly wake up in a booming loud room with Eden crying and home just

[bold mantle]

many skykids(spirits/statues) must have been probably trying to stop this big red crystal that probably spreads darkness?

we turned into a statue too when we save statues

more likely maybe wingedlights that we collect around skykingdom belongs trough them and they must have needed to be home(orbit) too just like spirits and elders that we saved

[worn girder]

I’ve always thought that it was vomiting the rocks that hit us

[bold mantle]

credits of sky game after eden,seeing other planets thinggy makes me think there are other kingdoms too ?

[rigid mural]

If you turn around soon after entering Eden, you can see the Vault is mostly underground.

[worn girder]

Makes me wonder, is the kingdom of Sky a planet or..

[thin dirge]

Wait, when you revisit Eden, do the previously saved statue still appear but appearing golden? (asking cause I havent been around lately, just wondering if ut changed)

[bold mantle]

probably hhhhhh

[bold mantle]

yea from cold looking statues,if its saved it will be golden ish, nothing changed at all with it

[hushed steeple]

I don't think so. But idk

[thin dirge]

Yeah, there's a small detail about us becoming a statue thats kinda subtle, but has interesting implications...

When we turn into a statue, we don't actually turn blue. We're immediately glowing gold. Just like the statues that was previously saved. Which means that we don't need saving at all. We break out ourselves.

[worn girder]

So if the WL around the realms belonged to the stone orphans than why are we recollecting them just to do it all over again

I theorised once that the 63 statues we save are the same as the ones every week because it seems as though it’s pretty much always them
But someone then told me that they may be different children, so we’re saving more and more every week

But if that’s the case why does it seem like it just never ends

🎵 and they won’t stop coming and won’t stop coming and won’t stop coming.. 🎵

[rigid mural]

There's a lot of children irl rn tbh.

[worn girder]

That’s tru

[half shadow]

I do like the idea I saw once that the ending of Sky we have currently isn’t exactly the “true” ending, or at least, it’s not yet

Perhaps through the recurring rebirth cycle through Eden the sky kids are growing stronger for something (not mechanic wise, lore wise)

[hushed steeple]

Imagine if sky had multiple endings-

[tropic isle]

That would bê interesting

[raw moth]

Information we get from today’s seasonal quest:

1. There is a part of Starlight Desert with the Graveyard whale bones and the Battlefield structures, suggesting the battle went all the way there (behind the Vault?), and that Starlight Desert is a physical location
2. The Eden storm extends to a short distance beyond the mountain

[icy spruce]

What’s the topic?

[worn girder]

I did some math for some reason

Assuming the whole server does Eden every week in a year (probably not but there are probs even more ppl who did eden multiple times outside the server, so it’s an average estimate)
325,000 (server population) x 63 (total statues) x 52 (weeks in a year)

= 1,085,175,000 statues saved

Half of the earth’s children population
And considering the kingdom of Sky seems beyond compare when it comes to population

I don’t really know why I decided to calculate this since it doesn’t seem like a very useful nor productive statement but yes

[obsidian locust]

Hi there I’ve just been getting active in the game again after a decent period of being inactive, just watched the switch trailer and it’s so gorgeous but WHAT DOES IT MEAN

[icy spruce]

Spider crabs, ancestors can manipulate light, uncorrupted krill leak????, Isle before the fall

[obsidian locust]

Are the people shown in the trailer skykids or ancestors?

[frozen pivot]

ancestors

[sharp lichen]

Are the environments shown prehistoric versions of the realms or different realms altogether?

[flat mist]

theres a krill in desert and its very close to the base of the mountain

desert is the closest reachable place to eden physically because it stretches much farther than vault because vault goes up and isnt very big around

[hollow socket]

about the vault being a bunker: it's a "vault", aka "The secure room or rooms in or below a bank used to store currency and other valuables; similar rooms in other settings." (Wiktionary), so it'd make sense for it to be a bunker of some sort. In the french version, the word used is "coffre-fort", which can be translated as "strongbox" or "safe"

[frozen pivot]

its a look into the past, centuries before the ruins

[flat mist]

And also the fact that desert touches the mountain confirms that it is actually a physical place and not a dream. It says dreamlike worlds not dream worlds

[dry ivy]

Well, I assume Vault is a tower, so we Skids go up the elevator to the mountainous Eye of Eden area. Krill can’t get into the Vault tower, but they can certainly just fly up to the Eye of Eden area, right?

[flat mist]

aww my message didnt send i spent like 5 mins writing it 😦 okay so i said that basically in the cave of prophecies it shows a person completing all of the trials and climbing to the top of eden and i think that was the king of sky and then the storm corrupted and destroyed the palace and city around eden, and that it was once the city of eden

Also i think that krill werent always like that and were once light creatures and protectors of the king and the city but were corrupted by the storms darkness which spread to the wasteland and corrupted the krill there and destroyed it

and also the storms darkness caused the acid rain in forest, and the darkness plants there confirm the presence of darkness

[dry ivy]

Wait, it shows planets????

... asteroid B-612 is out there somewhere

[flat mist]

and also the king used the light and resources of the kingdom to continue to build it and extend his rule, but over time parts of the kingdom became barren (the wasteland) and the forest has do many fallen trees because the king had them cut down to make more buildings and expand the kingdom

[dry ivy]

I KNOW I AM CONFUSED ABOUT THIS TOO

Someone said that the main purpose of the skids isn’t to save the king, but to repopulate the world

But why do we keep having to save stone skids.

[flat mist]

and also a similar thing to the rain happened to some of the water which contaminated it and made it hurt the sky kids. Normal water doesnt hurt them though so its not just water in forest hurting us its the acid rain caused by the storm

[dry ivy]

Ooooohhh I hope this is so! That’d be very cool

[flat mist]

because the farther away you get from the storm, the less polluted and barren it becomes(isle and prairie) and also the treehouse confirms that there were kids in the kingdom before the light, which birthed the children of the light to stop the king from destroying all of sky. The storm happened because the light was angry at the king for his reckless harvesting of the kingdoms resources

[naive sequoia]

Yes! Goodness, the shivers I felt when I imagined what if every single star you see is a world and has a cycle of it's own

Ah sorry about the intrusion

[brisk ginkgo]

How do they travel to the mountain? If desert stretches to the Eden mountain, there's probably space between and the elevator goes straight up?

[naive sequoia]

Vault may be a hidden storage under the mountain of Eden, but it is able to access physical worlds where the fabric of space are easily manipulated

...is what I think it is

[willow pumice]

The reason why krill didn’t attack the prince is because he is not made of light like us, krills only attack light sources to get fed, also thats why prince doesn’t recharge our cape power.

[naive sequoia]

Wait, he doesn't? I could've sworn he recharged my cape

[hushed steeple]

Krill don’t attack spirits either, though they do attack mantas and similar.

[strange siren]

Spirits charge light too but maybe they don't get attacked because they're beyond the visible light spectrum of krill?

[brisk ginkgo]

I heard that they attacked spirit memories, but it makes sense because you recharge from the memories and they're made of light.

[dry ivy]

No need to be sorry! Feel free to pop in whenever and say whatever lol

I didn’t think of that! But that’s amazing

[naive sequoia]

You're gonna get the goosebumps of your lifetime once you watch the end credits again ahahhah

[hushed steeple]

They do? Huh. I thought krills left spirits alone, and crabs attack. Now I need to go investigate🧐

[dry ivy]

Are we talking about the Skids? I assume the Vault is very close, if not directly cut into, the mountain. The Wasteland entrance probably has a tunnel, underground probably, that leads to the Vault.

[brisk ginkgo]

Hmm that makes sense

[dry ivy]

I suppose LP is like humans, being fleshly. We have souls, but it ain’t the same as Skid light, I suppose

[dry ivy]

Ooh, can’t wait to see it again

(My second time they Eden I just skipped it since I was playing with a friend, and didn’t want them to wait for me 💦 the first time, I was distracted since I was playing late and had to get off the switch soon. Third time thru, I’m gonna pay closer attention!)

[brisk ginkgo]

I usually go to Eden with my friend who skips the krill area (eye of Eden?) through a glitch so I never really paid attention.
The first time I went to Eden I was way too scared and ended up going to home multiple times.

[dry ivy]

Second time, that’s actually what my buddy did! Carried me and another thru it by going out of bounds. We skipped the krill area entirely

[naive sequoia]

I'm still practicing that ಥᴗಥ

[brisk ginkgo]

And then I proceeded to get obliterated by the rocks and the krill at the entrance

[dry ivy]

First time I followed someone I just met—we couldn’t chat, but I was so nervous I let them hold me hand. They were trying their best, but they got me krilled a lot

But I think we made it thru together to the end haha

They had an Afro—named them Floof

I was actually quite surprised when we got close to the red rock—I wasn’t used to TGC games being “difficult”, so rocks flying at me face every second and me losing WL was a surprise

[brisk ginkgo]

The very first time my friend dragged me along and their friend glitched through. Sky crashedbso I had to do it solo which was pretty scary because I was not pro at all.

[hushed steeple]

Ok, so they don’t attack follow-quest memories, and they also don’t attack the follow quest light.

[dry ivy]

But they sure attack YOU when doing it I had a very hard time completing the Spirits in the Wasteland area. At some point I just didn’t care if I lost WL as long as I could get to the light quickly before it disappeared (it’d always land in the black puddles )

Okay here’s a random cute lore question

Do you think the Bearhug Yeti and Peeking Postman got together before the end?

[true talon]

Bearhug hermit cheated on postman with juggler

[dry ivy]

WHAT NOOO please tell me you’re joking

[bold mantle]

maybe😳

[novel atlas]

This is probably a very dumb question my mind at almost 1 am came up with but why do the krill's attack us as if we're intruders? I thought since we're saving the elders and the kingdom we would be seen as heroes.

Sure it could be that the krill's were programmed by their creator(or the king???????)to attack anyone that comes to the area but I thought we were told by the elders/higher powers to save the kingdom meaning shouldn't the krill be friendly to us?? Or are the krill's made up by a power that isn't the elders?? Sorry if it's a dumb question 😭 /lh /gen

[dry ivy]

Officially, a TGC dev said that krills are corrupted. How or why is yet to be revealed...

[true talon]

We only know they are corrupted, they feed on light, anything else is just pure speculation, so we can't say anything certain

[dry ivy]

Okay so I was looking up the juggler just to see what they look like

Mannnn I wish I could’ve experienced the season of rhythm

Juggler has got a cool vibe...PURPLE CAPE BE LIT

But are they a boy or girl? Dude has mischievous jester vibes

[novel atlas]

Ahh I see understandable!

[flat mist]

okay so i rewatched the sky intro and apparently the elders of the areas were once stars and when they were together everything was fine and there was “infinite light” but then at some point they fell and made a home in the clouds and eacb made their own temples and a society and a kingdom and then the storm happened because they fell and couldnt control the light and keep it stable and then the sky kids were called upon by the higher power to save the kingdom and return the lights to the sky (the elders) because you have to have all of the elders to open the portal to eden and at the gate to eden it has the elders on it and lighting the flames sends light the the center. Also i think since the elders fell and created the kingdom, the light was unstable and then when the elders passed the storm broke out

[novel atlas]

All spirits and skykids don't have a specific gender, it's up to us to interpret it however we want, I think I saw a dev say something like that once

[bold mantle]

OMG WAHT ILLEGAL NO DONT SAY THAT

THEY'RE MY OTP SHIP༼;´༎ຶ ۝ ༎ຶ༽

[dry ivy]

Oh gotcha! Kinda looks like a dude to me, hehe

[dry ivy]

YES I AGREE WITH YOU MIKO

I just think they’re cute together ok

[flat mist]

I recommend Antler Kids lore analysis videos, they are really interesting

[novel atlas]

Yes I'm pretty sure that's the base of it! I'm kinda wondering where the place they were living in were. The broken castle on Eden perhaps??? Or Eden itself, but just corrupted, or somewhere completely different

[dry ivy]

It’d just be super sad if postman didn’t confess to yeti before the apocalypse happened

Oooh man I just had a thought

Wouldn’t it be cool if there was a season based off of Tanabata???? I was just thinking the other day a valentine’s season would be sweet...and the whole festival has a big focus on Stars and all

[dry ivy]

Yeah I am curious as to what caused the FIRST fall from the heavens.

[dry ivy]

It could focus on reconnecting two lovers who didn’t have a chance to get together before the apocalypse happened

And then there could be bamboo trees we skids can pin messages to or something

Cherry blossoms in the water, or like the lotus message floaties, there a cherry blossom themed ones instead

We perhaps wander in the different realms looking at the pasts of the two lovers, seeing how they found each other and maybe couldn’t get together (a la Romeo and Juliet? Could incorporate the ideas shown in the concept arts of there being two classes in the society at the time)

Or a whole new world that’s kinda Japanese themed??? I’d love a big sky with the Milky Way in it reflected in a river or something

Okay sorry I’m done

Maybe I should’ve put this in the wishlist section. Oops.

[pastel brook]

It is the time you have wasted for your rose that makes your rose so important, @dry ivy

[dry ivy]

T-thanks?

Is this Tanabata season wish my rose, then?

🌹

[hushed steeple]

what’s the lore about this season

[true talon]

There's no lore

[dry ivy]

Well, I do think it does reveal that there are other planets out there (The little prince came from outer space to visit!).

Some people think the LP spirits are disconnected from the main lore, but I personally think they aren’t. I believe there were spirits from other seasons/places shown in the Slouching Soldier’s memory, for example.

Also, it’s interesting to note that I think this LP season is set after the LP book. The rose seems to be...dead, sadly, and I think LP is in the process of grieving (or at least, he is post-grief. He obviously has regrets though, but he does seem to be his cheerful self)

[flat mist]

right above the door to the krill area of eden there is an engraving in the stone of the home island

[arctic sequoia]

Any theories on the ||skeleton we find the starlight desert in the current new LP quest?||

[vast latch]

It looks similar to the skeleton in wasteland

[frozen pivot]

its a whurtle's, likely a juvenile in comparison to the ones in graveyard. a note also: theres a barricade too similar to the ones in battlefield

[arctic sequoia]

Whurtle?

[flat mist]

idk

[rigid mural]

I was afraid of the contrary but...

I'm filing for adoption as we speak.

[rigid mural]

Cave of Prophecy shows the Forest Elder use the Power of Water to bless the rains down in Africa summon the rain in their realm, but maybe it got corrupted by the storm.

[half shadow]

my favorite part is because of the height difference, the scout just wraps their arms around your head

[rigid mural]

Can you believe I'm at the second tallest height ? Sky kids are SMALL

[frozen pivot]

theyre called like that cus of their size, basically whale + turtle

[arctic sequoia]

Ooooohhh

[tribal hawk]

He is everywhere...

[half shadow]

i hear if we all blow kiss emote at him he’ll wake up ||/j||

[tribal hawk]

Brb...

[arctic sequoia]

Man cant wait for sky dating sim where i can flirt with the eden king 😩

[urban palm]

Hello there, lads and gals, could somebody help a lore nerd out?
I'm curious, anyone knows, what do those lines in prairie mean, and if there is a meaning lorewise?
My guess is that, they seem like a route chart or smth like that, since the people were transporting light/butterflies via boats to some sections of the kingdom and stuff
But if anyone has a better understanding of what they are - that'd be wonderful

Also, I'm curious about the area to the left of the first prairie's location (1st screenshot lines can be found there), is it like a storage location for the 'light/butterfly cargo' they were transporting, cus it looks more like a smuggling hub, tbh
Maybe someone has a theory for that, i dunno, just something i find interesting

[amber night]

Is the prince, a human?

[half shadow]

If you mean the Little Prince, then judging just on the book he’s from, the answer to that is still kind of unclear. He seems to be humanlike at least, but he does a lot of “impossible” things that make him feel like he’s not just a regular human boy. Spoiler Warning for TLP book: ||Especially at the end when he appears to die from a snake bite. The ending however is left pretty vague as his body seemingly disappears, leading the narrator of the book to speculate on if he had been able to return to his home after all.|| The prince himself is, first and foremost, a metaphorical representation of a child’s imagination - which is a theme that I think melds very well with the world of Sky, but it also means where he stands as a physical human being is up for debate.

[amber night]

I wonder if the ||krill was the snake at the end of the quest.||

[half shadow]

Yes! Exactly right! The krill scene in the quest is almost a mirror of the book’s events. I won’t spoil this because it’s exactly what we experienced in the actual game; The prince tells the sky kid that he feels it’s his time to leave, and specifically tells them to not watch him leave because he knows it would make them upset. When sky kid continues forward and follows Prince, he remarks that they should just look up at the stars to remember his laughter when he’s gone. Then, he walks off into the distance where the krill is seen approaching him. The inherent danger of the krill is pretty heavily implicated. Strict book-only spoilers now: ||It’s more clear what the prince means by “leaving” in the book, as he tells the narrator that his body is “too heavy to take with him to his planet,” and essentially announces that he’s going to allow himself to be bitten by a venomous snake in order to return to his planet. The final mysterious twist is that the next day, his body seems to have disappeared, which leaves it up to the reader on if he actually died, or was able to somehow ascend back to his planet.|| The same meaning is implied in Sky, though much it’s more subtle.

So! Obviously, a human can’t do that sort of stuff in our reality, but TLP isn’t exactly bound by the laws of real life and I don’t think he’s exactly equivalent to a real human child.

[amber night]

What is also weird, ||the kill didn’t shine a red spotlight on him which made me extremely confused||

[lofty void]

he tamed it. he tamed the krill

[half shadow]

Yeah, that was interesting! Maybe in the next quest, we’ll get some kind of alternate ending - it would be a continuation of the book, because the book simply ends after that scene. So having some kind of continuation of his story will be very neat.

[amber night]

Our questions will be answered in 8 days

[half shadow]

next quest he’ll teach us how to tame them too and we can finally ride on their backs to glorious freedom!

[amber night]

I would love to ride a krill

[unborn breach]

The Prince is the chosen one lol

[sudden sigil]

with the way the winged light kids look and how they're animated in orbit (+ the fact that the "spirits" of our friends in orbit straight up look like winged lights) do you think it may be implied that throughout eden we are returning the winged lights (maybe the "spirit" of a sky kid) to fellow sky children who perished before they could reach the light?

[sudden sigil]

also, i love the route chart idea - i always thought they were just random constellation doodles LOL. maybe they had something to do with content from light awaits or earlier versions of the game? the cave in prairie definitely does seem like a storage space now that i think about it!

[pseudo heart]

They are actually relics from Children of the Light's predecessor, Light Awaits, each stone constellation represents an animal

Prairie one with 5 nodes is a turtle
Prairie cave one is an eel
Bird's nest and valley ones is a bird

You used to collect bunch of fragments which gave you patterns on your cape and a candle

[sudden sigil]

an... eel.... hahaha i love it. someone on the team eating sushi that day 😆 that seems like a such a cool feature!

[modern cedar]

any observations on the randomly generated names so far? (or maybe submit some more names? (shy emoji)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1U6HcXjWb2DiSQ1RBK6CHzzgdCmmwLDDN1jDr4CbgsKo/edit?usp=sharing

[neat pelican]

I just want to know that, In next season quest will be in heaven or not.. (please reply as yes or no)

[stark marten]

Information regarding quests that haven't been released yet is considered beta content until the quest is available in live. You can ask in the beta channels if you want spoilers

[neat pelican]

Oh ok. Thank you

[restive cosmos]

That doesn't sound good for the children playing

[arctic sequoia]

Its a joke ofc i just think its a funny concept sorry!

[wooden jolt]

Do you guys think sky kids can sleep?

After that last challenge it has me thinking

[lethal stump]

imo skids arent natural creatures therefore they dont HAVE to sleep, but they can MIMICK sleeping if they want. it just doesnt have any effect on them if they sleep or dont

[abstract badger]

#general-sky-discussion message

I'm not even sure if this is a joke, but it would just be the cleverest thing if skybot were the prince.

[lethal stump]

skybot has no effect on the lore. lorechat has gone through jokes and scares of "are comments from skybot canon" and the mods have made clear that skybot isnt actually a tgc entity, its a fan-made creation, therefore not canon

[abstract badger]

Ah, okay. I just found his increased server activity as of late to seem to imply something, especially with his themed name. But it makes more sense for skybot to not affect the lore.

[lethal stump]

ive been around here for a year and a few months, from my experience nothing with skybot has really changed except their nickname and some of the scripted responses they have

[wooden jolt]

I like to think that they don’t sleep but daydream; that would kind of explain the end part with the prince

[hushed steeple]

Its mostly silly references and jack like that. I would say it would be very cruel for any trace of solid lore to be locked behind random chance of seeing something spouted in an online chat room.....but thats how most of skylore is anywho.

[lethal stump]

i mean, youre not wrong 🙃

[hushed steeple]

Artbook, my dear, I was wrong to ever think any price would be too high for you.......

but I really hope its under like 80$ when they announce it

[vestal lichen]

i recently thought of a headcanon for the Chill Sunbather's story so enjoy
the Chill Sunbather was a tourist from Prairie and he has been to perhaps all of the realms in sky, one time he made a mistake going to the Golden Wasteland which was already an abandoned place so he (maybe) learnt the way of Crabs and understood them during his stay? he didnt really seem to care about them attacking, he just simply tamed them to the point where he could understand a Crab's language
soon after he finally departs from Wasteland on a boat that he found, and carrying some supplies of water which he didnt realize was actually dark water. He then arrived back to his homeland, just on the ocean and stumbled upon the Sanctuary Islands and crashed his boat near one of the geysers, spilling the corrupted water from wasteland into it
then he meets the Sanctuary questgiver who took him around and gave him a cape, hat and sunglasses. finally finding a home to stay after long days of searching and finding

[wooden jolt]

Yo any one got krill lore?

[rigid mural]

Yeah, they hate you.

[icy spruce]

Only canon krill lore is that krills are corrupted and they exists since the beginning of Sky

[rigid mural]

I like to think surreal cutscenes such as the elders are dreams they get when meditating. Maybe they got something special that makes reaching limbo in spirit easier when in a secondary state.

[wooden jolt]

So they were light creatures before?

[hushed steeple]

Prolly

[lethal stump]

not even that is canon, we dont know for certain if krills are corrupted or natural
i, for one, believe theyre natural, since the devs have mentioned darkness is a natural part of the kingdom of sky just as light is

[wooden jolt]

Ah ok

[gilded pendant]

Well light can’t survive without darkness, so I do agree with that statement with krills being naturally hostile.

[hushed steeple]

Lead Dev interview. Its as canon as it gets. Which is admitably, not very.

[icy spruce]

Oh, it’s actually canon cause the devs said it in a QnA livestream

[lethal stump]

oh huh

[holds onto my natural krill hcs] you can take them over my dead body

[half shadow]

Canon krill lore: ||they are shaped like friends :)||

[wooden jolt]

Canon krill lore: they will always be krills no one will ever call them dark dragons

[upbeat rampart]

I actually just came back from the book and OH BOY (spoilers for book and probable end)

I theorise that the end goes along the lines of ||prince and rose both dying, but the wholesome ending would be along the lines of "prince ascended, waters the rose one last time and they both just die together in the sunset specifically, volcano (mentioned in book) blasting and residuals falling in the Desert, which will be our skykid's memory of Prince...||

[if it actually comes true I'll cry]

[icy spruce]

It’s okay Bricky, we get it that u’re going thru denial

(/lh /j)

[livid valley]

[lofty rover]

Ye no I believe krills are naturally mechanical beings too. I just don't look at canon stuff lmao

[naive sequoia]

I love sky names! But I can't keep befriending moths just to get names ; >_>))

I'll contribute in exchange for those juicy names

I don't know how though (´ ∀ ` ;)>

[upbeat rampart]

Sorry but y-uwu-raj and uwagewu in 7 letters (E61)

Some sound like they're from Indian origin (India Indian) and some sound Russian, with others reminding me of Finland and Japan for some reason. Others sound like "proper" (Atheistic-ish) names tho, like Enuc (sounds Egyptian tho) and Gorigida. Ito or Ipi sound Taiwanese for me (and I can hardly distinguish baby names from countries so idk)

[dry ivy]

Well, a TGC dev did confirm in a stream that krills are corrupted (as in, they didn’t used to be the way they are now), and that the how and whys are yet to be revealed...

[dry ivy]

Ahh noooooooo

But then again, it’d suck for the LP to be away from his rose...whom I’m pretty sure IS dead. (And I haven’t even played the recent quest yet, so...)

[upbeat rampart]

Well I believe the Prince kind of left his mortal body and he came "down" (i.e., his planet was up. Up for morals [he was a pure soul] and all of that and it slowly went down as people became less moral) and ending up last in a desert and all of that.

So to ascend back, perhaps, he believes he has a lot of weight in his mortal body so he has to ascend, bodiless and with a pure soul, to finally water the rose once after and then permanently ascend away from planets to a land far, far away...

(And oh, with the rose. I always imagined them dying together)

[pseudo patrol]

@dry ivy It is dead for sure, because it is a spirit now

[dry ivy]

Huh! I never thought about LP’s state being connected to humanity in this spiritual way

I have to say I was s a bit curious on how LP is in Sky. At first I thought they set it sometime during the book, but then I figure out it was set after the books ending. And I figured this in seeing how the rose is most certainly dead (as you said, @pseudo patrol) and LP’s dialogue that sounds like someone reminiscing of a passed loved one in mid-or-just-post-grief.

Though I kinda assumed he had made it to his planet and saw Rose had passed on. Maybe he has t actually made it to his planet yet at all, huh?

Man I hope someone and saved LP’s dialogue somewhere. Now I want to look at it more closely...seeing how LP is processing grief

[upbeat rampart]

I just thought of it, the more I think the more it makes sense, at least a little, since no planets are "above" Prince's planet. Possibly why there are more souls in general at earth than the other places...just a theory, really.

I just thought it's the same thing as the book, but we are the narrator here instead

[upbeat rampart]

I have some of his! :D
Just a few though...hh

[dry ivy]

That’s a really cool idea! And especially since the world of Sky is so connected to its spiritual world...perhaps it’s the only place Rose’s spirit could appear to someone to help guide LP (back home and/or thru his grief)

I do assume the plot will still take inspiration from the book...so...||I have a sinking feeling we will see LP pass on in a similar way ||

[dry ivy]

Heyyy maybe what is weighing him down is his grief?

[upbeat rampart]

Aww, that would be so...that would be so sweet and sad as well...our rose here would probably put her pride aside

Oh I made a whole angsty wholesome hc dw :D (aggressively smiling through pain)

[dry ivy]

Y-yeah I like the idea of both of them realizing their flaws, repenting, and seeking to be closer together, ||even past death||

[upbeat rampart]

Maybe, it could be a suitable meaning too! It makes more sense actually hhh

By sins, I think I believe guilt here is one, he "sinned" (imo, that's my thinking) by leaving someone who he loved and vice versa for their words instead of their actions

[stuck ice]

I'm like never here cuz I'm not that interested in the lore😭😭😭 But anything behind the vault floors filling up with sand? I was somewhat oobing in vault and went to the 2nd floor, then pointing emote to fall down to the first floor ykyk. Noticed that the 4 player door is filled up with sand? Not completely but it's really noticeable and now I'm curious if that's anything Or is it just a random detail

[dry ivy]

Yes, he did not “take responsibility” for what he had “tamed”. I just realized that this is his character arc in the book: he learns from the fox this lesson, as well as how he has to see rightly in his heart rose’s love for him past her seemingly vain actions and silliness, and as well as how important his rose IS to him (it is because of time wasted for your rose that it is so important).

[upbeat rampart]

I did think of that too. Honestly they both die and that's all what I think of, and reach another "planet" they've never visited before...aka heaven. Where they are together, and the prince and his rose have a childlike happiness and settle in, while his planet blasts because of volcano "crying" over him (they're kinda alive, that's what I think) and it reaches to the point where the debri hits on one of the skykids and the skykids know it's from the prince by gut feeling and preserves it...probably...

[dry ivy]

Woo ahh I never knew that!

By 4p door, you mean the one we have to open with the mind power emote?

[stuck ice]

Yesyes, here- Just never heard anything about it

[dry ivy]

This would definitely be a gut wrenching scene aghhhhhb

[upbeat rampart]

:0
I have actually never been here?? Idk??

[stuck ice]

Same I oob a lot and never thought about checking it out 😭😭

[dry ivy]

Me neither!!

I mean, the Vault doesn’t ever intimate that it’s being gradually filled with sand as we go upward...maybe it’s a placeholder of some sort? (I know nothing of how this stuff works lol)

I know that the vault gets gradually filled with✨ sparkle dust~✨ Maybe it has something to do with that

[upbeat rampart]

Ikr I would die, straight up

Volcanoes instantly drew me a metaphor about people who are nice but have self destructive tendencies when I talked about blasting their own planet. They really can't cry can they?

(oh frick I'm going down the humanity lane and I don't like it)

[dry ivy]

The color reminds me of Journey and the tower level it has. It does get filled with ✨sparkle dust~✨ too, but it’s version is kinda golden-tan like this

[stuck ice]

I thought about the floors just gradually filling with sand as we go up, and we never really see it or can actually see it since there's the tp barrier with the next few floors. So seems a bit of a weird detail since you're not, well, meant to be there?😭
Oo the tower
Could also be a bug as you progress to the 2nd floor, and no need in fixing it if it doesn't anything, but it's a too neat bug if you ask me

[dry ivy]

I like your tendency to connect this ideas with these spiritual allegories tho. I love for this kind of stuff lol

Wow, I never thought of the volcanoes like that

They also stand as a negative consequence of LP’s irresponsibility. He left his planet uncared for for too long that the trees and volcanoes started taking over, making it hard for the Rose to live. I suppose it can represent how a relationship suffers (especially a romantic one!) when one does not nurture it 😦

[upbeat rampart]

And red too, woah

Maybe it's their og grounds? Maybe the place was kinda under construction?

[dry ivy]

Yeah idk. Maybe it does do that...but then we couldn’t get back into the Vault in future playthroughs? I mean, maybe this is an example of story and gameplay segregation. But I always interpreted it this way: we skids can be reborn and so can go to these areas as many times as we need to

[dry ivy]

Yeah that might be it. I was going for a far fetched idea that maybe in some way they used Journey’s tower assets as some sort of “base” (but again I have no idea how game development works so this might make the devs facepalm at me lol)

I’ve heard some funny file names tho

LanternsIStoleFromJourney
RocksIStoleFromJourney

[upbeat rampart]

Haha, thank you! I really appreciate that ^^

Pretty much, I always felt this tad bit of sadness whenever I saw volcano in the prince's planet not being mentioned and I finally figured why

Perhaps. That definitely is true, sometimes you're important to both worlds and neglecting all the people you love...would end up being sad.

[stuck ice]

I did some game designing/development for 2 years and I still don't understand how anything works either But yeah then that means we technically wouldn't be able to get into vault, so I'm taking it as just random detail, used asset or something like that. Is still interesting, and really pretty too Or a scrapped idea

[dry ivy]

Oh cool!! What was it like? and, Haha ain’t that just the way. I’m sure a lot of professional game devs feel like this at times tho, lol

It does look quite pretty! How did you OOB into it?

I haven’t tried OOBing anywhere myself, but I’ve had buddies take me to OOB areas before (the one you get too thru the Valley Elder temple, and the one in Eye of Eden...Which allowed us to bypass the krill area entirely. Cool as heck, though it looked like some sort of hell dimension in there )

[pastel brook]

It is only with the heart that one can see rightly

[upbeat rampart]

Honestly the place looked so unfinished.

Also the spirit when you go to the left from entrance...when you go up, there's some gravestones right? Was it of people who died constructing it?

[upbeat rampart]

*correctly

Both right and correct here, is one the same. But maybe not..

[dry ivy]

Good question. I assumed the area is a sacred burial ground. Obviously it isn’t one for everybody as there are very few graves in there, but they way the spirit was venerating the dead made me think it was for very special Vault scholars or something

[upbeat rampart]

Well they were clustered instead, unlike the others who have separate tombstone. I think they'd be of less importance and thereby, the workers

[dry ivy]

It’s also interesting how the area’s...atmosphere(?) mimics stars. As stars are very sacred to the Sky people, it makes sense that’d they want their dead connected to their origins/afterlife in some way, symbolically.

[upbeat rampart]

Maybe the builders were special people instead? Like their close ones?

[dry ivy]

Hm! I could see that too! The only thing that bothers me is that if think there’d hundreds if not THOUSANDS of dead workers, as morbid as it sounds The Vault is HUGE, and remembering what I learned in history about the Greta Wall of China...

But then again this is magic Sky world and perhaps building stuff wasn’t as difficult, and only a few suffered casualties

[dry ivy]

Ahh, that’s a good point!

[upbeat rampart]

Yes, but maybe they all didn't die, maybe the rest were healed and were taken care of because they had to build it. And maybe, they weren't so close enough to be buried specifically there(?)

(Godpint?)

((OH GOOD POINT??))

[dry ivy]

(I said pint lol)

Good point, again. Or maybe these ones did the most work, or overtaxed themselves. Seeing the mind-magic emote, we know they could do magic stuff. Maybe a few special workers with great power did a lot to magically construct the building and exhausted themselves to death

[stuck ice]

Personally I didn't enjoy it- I really liked the designing and the whole art aspect of it, since that's what I originally went in to do, but the coding and the actual development of a game was just not my cup of tea😭 It was a cool experience tho, and I appreciate game developers a lot more now

And you need to first open the 4 player door, go to the 2nd floor, then spam point emote(or just tapping it every few seconds), or any that would force your skykid down, til you fall down to the first 1st floor. It will slowly force you back up but you can navigate around the place by occasionally doing an emote and flying around. It's like a barrier almost. The barrier isn't there in the 4 player door, and it's not in the area where you first enter vault so you can freely walk around^^

[dry ivy]

Yeah I tried to be cool with the reactions but wound up looking silly lol

[upbeat rampart]

Oh my, yes! I can see it coming together, and maybe they were gifted and were the close ones of the Vault members (since I believe the Vault members would have access to such a grand power which is only accessible by loved ones)

Now I can imagine this playing out like
Vault members denying loved ones for help because risk but the loved ones win and accept it...-

[peak mirage]

A small question as a moth-

are all Sky Children stars themselves? It's because I was wondering after I saw the end of the switch trailer video, stars began to fall down as darkness came by-

[dry ivy]

Ahh, gotcha. I think I’d be the same way, haha. But if you want to be a game designer rive wharf that you gotta know how games work development wise, so at least you have that knowledge under your belt. and I think it’s cool that you can now connect to game developers more in this way! the power of knowledge🌈🌟

Thanks for telling me how to do it! It always intrigued me how some parts of games can have “holes”, especially in TGC games: to put it in realistic terms, it feels like places where the fabric of reality is “weak”...I CAN TRAVERSE BETWEEN DIMENSIONS

[dry ivy]

Oooohhhh! That’d make a cool comic or short fanfic, haha!

I keep thinking about the area’s special viewing balcony. I forget which spirit it was, but they were led there by two Scholar attendants. Makes one see that this is a special thing they’re allowing him to do/see

[upbeat rampart]

brb will make a fanfic on watt specifically bout this (/j I'll do it soon)

Viewing balcony?

[dry ivy]

OOH YAY Please show it to me when you finish it!

In this grave area, there is a passage that leads you to the top where a rectangular hole is: it allows you to see the top part of the room where the atmosphere is especially starry. A spirit memory leads you up there (and it takes FOREVER to walk up, lol. It’s a winding passage, and it’s especially slow as the memory is one of those guiding-light ones. But it adds to this sense of sacred-ness to the experience. Your walking up there to do something special, something that the Ancestors saw as special, anyway)

[upbeat rampart]

Aw thank you, I really appreciate that :D

Wait there's a rectangular hole in? I didn't see that

[dry ivy]

Hmmmmm

I wonder if the thing has some sort of symbolic significance to the ancestors. The passage is winding and quite dark. Maybe it represents the passage of death into Eden? It’s going upward to the stars, something the Skids do by going up the mountain and into Eden...

It could also represent how the Ancestors know they once lived in the stars long ago

I’m probably doing a crap job explaining, sorry. Let me see if I can find a picture...

[upbeat rampart]

It probably symbolises how they don't have a chance to escape anymore and have to face the dark truth, the bitter consequences of their actions which they cannot avoid any longer, perhaps..

[dry ivy]

That’s a dark interpretation, but it could be so!

Here’s a video showing the person going up the passage. The spirit is the one that gives you the thinking emote
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h5SzQI60xz0&feature=youtu.be

Ah, and that room is called the Pray Room on the wiki

Hey I’ve suddenly remembered that one rock in the upper regions of the vault you use your pray emote on

Slowly lights up the rock and then reveals a spirit

We don’t use that anywhere else in Sky, I think!

[upbeat rampart]

I remember doing it ages ago, I didn't remember that again xD

(also interpretation--I happen to be a weird entity so spare me)

And yep! The pray emote was used for the levitating part, which is neat! I loved it!
Why in a rock though? Is there a symbolism there, perhaps, or a different burial ground?

This is perhaps the only expression I find..."useless". It's not for communication purposes, expressing your emotions in any way or to do a task...then why is it for? Something...well, sinister?

[dry ivy]

Yeah, I’m surprised on how many Sky elements I forget. I forgot the very beginning cutscene with some mysterious entity talking to our newborn Skid, and someone reminded me of it the other day

And hey it’s okay! I don’t think it’s weird! I hope I didn’t sound rude

Yeah IDK! Praying to a grave made me think of the Praying Acolyte who does that in the Pray Room. Though obviously, she doesn’t conjure up a spirit lol

It’s funny how praying to this rock reveals the Spirit: so we encounter spirits by helping their souls out of the rocks encasing them. This guy has an encased rock body too, but it only appears when we do the pray rock. Which is weird. It didn’t physically exist until we prayed? It’d make sense of the spirit was contained in the grave—I suppose the rock body is another story and gameplay segregation thing?

But even weirder, if we ignore the rock body thing, this intimates that the spirit was trapped IN THE GRAVE.

[dry ivy]

Well, I see it as expressing emotion. I often use it as another way to say thank you, or to express a sense of somber ness...I even saw people using it pretending to have a funeral!!! A skid had a crab and laid down while holding it and his two friends stood by and prayed in mock fashion lol

And this was on one of the Sanctuary Island floating rocks!! I never knew how in the heck they got a CRAB up there of all things maybe I’m misremembering it lol

But hm, I’m curious: what’s your sinister theory, hehe?

[upbeat rampart]

I think it is the megabird we find in the end when we look up! The swirls look like a giant bird, which was theorised as a megabird! (I don't know if it's cannon aa)

Thank you, you didn't ^^ I worry about that hhh

The thing is, there's perhaps 2 gravestones while others are relatively find-able. Had this person died by corruption of sorts, instead, and since they didn't want it to spread they buried em like that?

[dry ivy]

Ooh, didn’t think of that. That would be really sad, poor guy...I-I...would this be like being buried alive tho??

[upbeat rampart]

The floating one?? Thank you?? Aaaa I didn't know

Well crabs crabs everywhere even if I didn't see one ^^;

Dying by corruption, by darkness and not being in balance. Probably something like that, that's my theory hh

[dry ivy]

It makes sense though. That’s the only thing I can think of

Though how did the encased stone body wound up outside the grave

[dry ivy]

Oops sorry. I thought we were talking about the pray emote! I often use the meditation one to look cool while waiting for something (the vault elevator to get up to the top) or sitting around with buddies. I like doing it with my LP Scholar outfit on too hehe

[upbeat rampart]

If you're a big threat and needed to be held down in an instant and maybe he was rushed but because he was important once he was buried again a bit more better...idk

What if he died BECAUSE of the fact that he resulted in the death of workers? Maybe they didn't die of exhaution but because he went crazy and killed them perhaps with the rocks...I don't know.

[upbeat rampart]

Oh, no! Praying is super cool, I was talking about levitating!

[dry ivy]

Yeah, and I met levitation not meditation...but it does remind me of how people show meditating people as floating lol

[dry ivy]

Oof! I didn’t think for that but that could be!

Let’s see if the spirit’s name reveals anything... Meditating Monastic..hehe alliteration.

Probably they just did it for alliterative sake, but it’s interesting that he is a Monsatic rather than a scholar

Definition: a monk or other follower of a monastic rule.

As an adjective: relating to monks, nuns, or others living under religious vows, or the buildings in which they live.

So scholars probably did spiritual stuff but focused on study and research and library stuff. And I guess they had monks who did...spiritual stuff

I guess the guy was respected enough to have a grave, but it’s funny how it’s randomly in the middle of the Vault rather than the Pray Room

[upbeat rampart]

Because he didn't deserve the pray room, no one should pray to become like him hh

[dry ivy]

Maybe did meditated so hard he didn’t wake up so they just...put a grave where he had sat lol

Or that 😂

[upbeat rampart]

OML PLEASE 😆

[dry ivy]

B-but WE pray at the rock! Did our Skids sin?? 🤣

[pastel brook]

Spirits are certainly very, very odd

[dry ivy]

Yes, yes they are, Bot.

I say as we discuss the weird burial habits of the Ancestors

[upbeat rampart]

Haha we unknowingly did! Time to go back to Earth

I wonder...what do they think of Earth...people?
(It'd be so off for them that we grow cause they don't)

Weird and perhaps sensible idk

[dry ivy]

aghhhHhHHHHH starts hurtling towards Earth like a fiery meteor

What, you mean what Skids would do in meeting us? I mean, they’ve met the Little Prince, so they’ve encountered the concept of flesh (I...think. Unless LP is some sort of spiritual body like Skids are). (I’m assuming too that skids are made of clay or rock or something vs...meat lol)

They’ve seen the different stages of growth from the Ancestors (kids, teens, adults, old people)

But to see the growing process happening in front of them....it’d probably would be weird for them.

“Did you use a really slow acting resize potion? If you want to be a chibi again, you can use my spell!”

Though, I assume they are familiar with the concept of death, and probably handle it quite well compared to us. They know there is nothing to fear (plus they can be reborn so, no biggie haha).

[upbeat rampart]

I don't know how they would feel, because I don't think they have the same minds or chemicals as us so different processes

(haha yeah, true!)

[dry ivy]

Hm! That’s cool to think, actually. But I like to think they have similar emotions that we do, however they experience them

I like to think of Skids similarly to LP: they are young, innocent, and carefree, but also have a deep wisdom about them that we can lack

Edit: I sure love typos. Removed the “hunk”’

[upbeat rampart]

I somehow like to think that LP is more of an idea which the Vault members came up with and the secret place as well, which came to full effect randomly and now spreads wisdom like that.

(We could be a human of course-ish in terms of emotions, idk)

Oh no theory: What if levitating spirit created this from the wisdom of theirs and died that way?

(Ok I was confused with hunk xD)

[dry ivy]

I’ve heard similar theories on here! The starlight desert sure does seem dreamlike. I’m in the camp that sees it as “real”, but I can totally get the other perspective too...Though I do think the Vault’s magic bleeds into the starlight desert in some ways (that flying dream manta)

Oh noooo maybe so! At least he died honorably lol

The hunk just wanted to show off his muscles, but I shoo’d him out of there. Such an attention hog

[upbeat rampart]

Wait really? I thought it was unpopular till now hh

Maybe that's why two burial places, idk

Pfft y e s

||PS: Accept friend request pls||

[dry ivy]

Friended!

[rigid mural]

Crickey, this chat went on fire while I was sleeping in.

On that matter, the game's realms are themed around the stages of a life, no ? It would make sense for darkness to be a part of it then, because we're flawed and live in a flawed world. Maybe darkness represents what could torment a soul in life (trauma, depression, helplessness and so on); Forest and the Wastes have the highest count of dark plants and the overall mood and spirits reflect that. Tears, regret, anger, fear, weakness, cautiousness and so on...

[pastel brook]

#lore-discussion-spoilers definitely needs some SNEEP SNORP

[icy spruce]

Bot, we sleep like 25/8 hours a day

[dry ivy]

Lol yeah, mostly just me and @upbeat rampart discussing possible LP season endings and Ancestor burial habits in the Vault

[dry ivy]

Ooh, good point

But also sadness and stuff isn’t always bad, per se (Inside Out’s lesson)

[rigid mural]

Then we could place on a timeline the creation of the wall paintings of the Cave of Prophecy; a "modern" krill is present here.

[dry ivy]

But yeah depression and trauma...not so good.

[dry ivy]

Ooh! How do we know it’s modern?

[rigid mural]

That maybe why darkness plants give us light. Like sadness give us insight.

Ooh! How do we know it’s modern?
Spiky baby

[upbeat rampart]

Maybe darkness plants absorb light instead? I guess you have to get some to give some

[rigid mural]

I'd like to hug the tearful light miner because TGC succeeded in giving me feels here. Can burn darkness plants yet I'm not allowed to help a spirit 😔

[willow pumice]

Oh nooo!! Prince!! Don’t do it!!!

[rigid mural]

He got airpods in, he can't hear you 😔

[upbeat rampart]

I honked a million times, he was too sad to listen smh

[boreal nebula]

It kind of reminds me about the winged ligth shape when we lose them
Kind hinting we are are going to lose the Prince

[boreal nebula]

Well, beside the obvious one

[hushed steeple]

“Its gonna look like im suffering and I’ll be scared”

“Yeah we call that sunday”

[rigid mural]

The season is hilarious when you're an adult because there's all this talk about children knowing how to have fun when adults can't and.
LP: "Adults don't know how to do piggyback anymore..."
Me, an adult:
PSA to kids and teens, adult life can be fun.

[lone hull]

Nope, he jumped and head straight. Krill doesn't hurt him.

[frozen pivot]

tlp is from an another world, i think it makes sense that the krill doesnt recognize him since he isnt a light kin or anything related to the sky world

[icy spruce]

Red, no

[frozen pivot]

kinda op ngl, tlp can literally befriend krills if he wanted to. otherworlder armor

[icy spruce]

It’s like those Isekai plot armor except he didn’t die

[lone hull]

First case of tamed krill.

[frozen pivot]

welp not tamed, the krill just didnt care cus it dont recognize em kekw

i thought he rode the krill tho when he jumped

[lone hull]

I got auto zoomed in to this though, and it's eerie to think it's a stone coffin.

[willow bear]

Now I wonder can skykids be uninterested for krills somehow

[icy spruce]

If you use the table trick and other glitches, yes

[willow bear]

Glitches are slowly dying

[icy spruce]

other glitches

[upbeat rampart]

Wait that was a coffin??

[lone hull]

👀 it just an interpretation, because I got a bugged scene when I doing the quest. It's kinda creepy experience..

[pseudo patrol]

About the Krill and LP ... Personaly i interpreted it as the krill talking to him, because in the book during this scene the LP is talking to the snake, and then he gets bitten
Here he doesn't get bitten but because he didn't seem okay when the krill left i thought it took something from him ...

[abstract badger]

Well in the book, he just “dies”... or something. I don’t know, it’s not clear. In the game, the only way to really “die” is Eden. Krill do take away light, but maybe the Prince is so sad that he has no light left to take? Either way, the Krill couldn’t take him back to his rose, but Eden can. That might be the point of that exchange.

[pseudo patrol]

I don't know what exactly, maybe it really bit him or maybe it stole his WL (well his version of WL, like his energy or something)
Or it's like Silverforest said, it makes sense !

[orchid jolt]

Compare to the prince was missing 4 blessings (I am guessing that is what the floating bits represent. The sky call has four more than the season of prophecy pendant) now look at hide and seek pioneers chibi mask and the small symbol that appears next to it in the closet or just in the image that I'm going to provide.

[upbeat rampart]

Yeah, that's my interpretation as well. What the krill could have taken? Energy, really, or happiness...

[dusty kite]

I was wondering how and why krills seem to be the only creatures that project colored light for a specific purpose.
If krills were once placid creatures then someone forcefully attached a red (or just a normal crystal found through the realms) crystal to their face to weaponize them, and the reason they’re spotlight is mostly blue is due to the residual light from before they were corrupted. Someone said something about blue souls in sky children and that makes me think that the krills have eaten or absorbed skykids souls and use their spotlights as sort of a ‘soul search’

[pastel brook]

Have you seen my fox?

[frozen pivot]

frog

[craggy narwhal]

Can someone explain what the megabird is in the concept art

[icy spruce]

The Megabirb in concept art is basically like a god/deity ig

[lethal stump]

the megabird, in some concepts, was a godly figure in the kingdom of sky. in other concepts she was a collective of all the light creatures ever as they cycled through rebirth. and in other-others, you had to go through megabird to be reborn, making her basically orbit ?

currently it seems megabird is a sentient deity, and many people consider her as such, however other interpretations arent any less valid.

(also in the concepts megabird is referred to with she/it pronouns)

the one thing thats consistent is BIG GODLY FIREBIRD

edit: why must we have a minute long slowdown qwq

[icy spruce]

Prolly cause someone did smthng again, that’s why slowmode is absolutely long (well, one of the reasons was the unbanning of concept names, but that was the 13-16 seconds slowmode. Dunno with the one min)

[rigid mural]

Forgot what the snake says in the book tbh but if that krill invited him to go see its friends.........

[lethal stump]

wait concept names are unbanned ??

[icy spruce]

Ye, you can say them now

Resh, Daleth, Samekh, Teth, Tsadi, Lamed

[lofty rover]

Ye there was a whole discussion and they got unbanned,
But slow mode is still here ig

[rigid mural]

concept names were banned ???

[lofty rover]

Yeah was a whole thing specially really troubling for people like me

[lethal stump]

oh yeah that was what made me leave lore chat, they banned concept names and discouraged us from sending infodump documents and generally tried to make lore chat into something it wasnt. lots of people left, myself included, although im back now so thats nice

[pastel brook]

A quick advice from wise ol' Skybot: remember to take a break every once a while and take care of yourselves please, fellow Sky kids

[lofty rover]

When I came the ban was already here and then there were people who would use the name just cause it triggered the bot and it become counterproductive

[rigid mural]

But like, why ? The concept names are useful, "Elder of ..." is a mouthful.

[lethal stump]

because the mods viewed as overly complicated and confusing to lore moffs, despite the fact we had info docs that explained the concept names and explaining them took 2 seconds
but whats past is past, we can use concept names !
alef/resh is the best elder i take no criticism

[pastel brook]

A "moth" is a new player. They have brown wings, they flap around uncontrollably, and they are drawn to flame!

[lofty rover]

Not a first hand account of mine but it was being used in a negative way where anyone not using the specific name was being .. what's the word.. long story short it lead to a lot of moffs being intimated by names and lore doc dumps

[pastel brook]

A "moth" is a new player. They have brown wings, they flap around uncontrollably, and they are drawn to flame!

[rigid mural]

still a wierd thing to censor imo, the concept names are pretty cool too

[true grove]

Names got banned? Yesss

[orchid jolt]

GUYS! THIS IS EVIDENCE THAT I CAN USE FOR MY CRACKPOT THEORY! AT LEAST FOR THE PART WHERE THE DEV CAPED KID CAN USE DISCORD ON THE COMPUTERS IN OFFICE AND GOES BY THATSKYBOT!
Edit: I'm talking about the whole "fellow Sky kids"

[lofty rover]

O hey amoeba
Edit: the "watch" got me lmao

[lethal stump]

theyre not banned mate, we can use em

watch

daleth, ayin, teth, samekh, tsadi, lamed, alef, resh

[rigid mural]

Is calling them attractive banned tho

[lofty rover]

Idk but professing your love for them isn't. Forrest unniii saranghae <3

[flat mist]

okay so i noticed that the door the the temple in isle is the same door as the one in eden in the building before the krill bit

[true grove]

Nooo, yall gave me false hope 😔
Anyway theory:
The golden kid we hug in eden is a winglight that another player has deposited in our statues
We are Trapped in a state like elders until we see the winglight.
Like we are stuck in our mind.

Also bonus lore:
Orbit gate has megabird symbol on it now. Idk if that's new tho

[lethal stump]

Orbit gate has megabird symbol on it now. Idk if that's new tho
aint new, been there for a rather long time (at least 8 months give or take)

i do like the theory though, makes sense

[true grove]

Ooo i just noticed it yesterday
Also another theory
Winglights are fallen megabird stars that haven't solidified into a body

[lofty rover]

Hmm. Then is the first light boi aka Prince the one who actually set off the whole thing and rescued "us" cause there has to be a first for the cycle to propagate

[flat mist]

my theory is that the kid is the trapped soul of the sky prince who was trapped in the eye of the storm (the literal eye of eden) and eden was once the palace and capital city of sky and the palace was at the center, which is why you see it when you go into the eye after you ‘die’

[true grove]

Nope cause new skykids are still getting born so they can save the first ones

[lofty rover]

So who did the very first sky kids save?

[flat mist]

the prince, thats why they were created

[lofty rover]

So the Prince is saved and has ascended acc to your theory? (I am sorry I just loved the idea and am just curious 🙊)

[sinful anvil]

the little prince is possibly not made of light

[flat mist]

fair point. It could also be that the soul is the next sky kid to be born and you are guiding it so it can be born

[vernal edge]

Are there any pictures of the megabird cause i don’t think i have ever seen one

[lethal stump]

imo we are alef/resh, or at least millions of little parts of him, reconciling our past with ourself after we die, then bringing the light we've collected during our journey to megabird as penance. (in my theory alef took megabird's light for the Eden Diamond and so now hes stuck slowly rebuilding her)

[flat mist]

oh also random theory that has nothing to do with the current conversation, but i think the isle elder was banished (not sure why) which is why in vault one of the chairs is knocked over in the meeting room thingy behind the four person door you pull open and it also explains why there are no quests in isle

and also why the isle elder isnt on the door to eden

[lethal stump]

there is a picture of her in this document, along with info about her !

Lore Moff Doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18B1-SKG3toG0oH0VhOWC5o-cG9u0STAN92QvmbhTDto/edit

[lofty rover]

What I find weird is the fact that despite the fact that we literally turn to statue.. we can't really save the fresh ones (aka the ones edening with us) they have to go to the black room where they are automatically reborn. And even though we see the statues of our friends the positions of statues we save are relatively fixed. Like they existed there since before. Irrespective of our rebirth cycles. Which led me to believe that either a. Those act as proxy or b. Our cycling has nothing to do with those particular statues and their purposes are on a tangent

[flat mist]

well you dont have their winged lights which are their souls so you cant return them

[lofty rover]

I am wayyy too sleep deprived to understand without an explanation.. mind kinda elaborating

[vernal edge]

Many thanksss

[orchid jolt]

AND FAINTING WARRIOR! they didnt just faint. Thats just what the sky kids thought and the spirit went along with (possibly to spare the sky kids from sadness, like "Yes, yes, I just fainted, no need to worry"). if you dont believe me, watch that spirit's cutscene again.

[lofty rover]

Entirety of forest and GW made me feel things I wasn't ready to

[orchid jolt]

in the concept art, forest elder was definitly trying to make you feel SOME kinda way....

[lofty rover]

I wouldn't mind /j

Forest unni did no wrong you can't change my mind. She is just an overworked lady responsible for a realm for teenagers

[lethal stump]

[orchid jolt]

this concept art just reminded of this one I saw once

[lofty rover]

I read that as travelling "candie" man instead of candle

[true grove]

Kksksks looks more fanmade
how to look good in a group

[jovial sail]

hey heres some minor lore stuff its about mountains in sky

so we all know the valley of triumph is a mountain range and that eden is the highest mountain in the game but i decided to rank the 6 highest peaks in the game

the light red represents valley mountains
the green represents wasteland mountains
the blue represents forest mountains (underground since the forest is mostly flat due to being a flood plain)
and dark red of course is eden

mount triumph is the mountain we slid down in the races and the twin mountains are the ones in the citadel leading to the flying race

mount flat is this big boy right here in the broken temple area

[lethal stump]

interesting
also i dont entirely agree that forest is a river basin, i would say Wasteland is a basin considering its between two mountain ranges and is noticably flooded with something that might once have been water. forest seems more to simply be floodplains, rich in water and nitrogen causing the trees to grow more than they do in prairie

[jovial sail]

thank you for correcting me this is what i meant

[lethal stump]

np ! geography terms are hard lel. i only know them because im a worldbuilding nerd

[jovial sail]

the prairie is probably a plateau as we see fly up to it after isle and isle itself seems to be a peninsula

this is a map of my interpretation of the sky continent

[lofty rover]

Sorry to disrupt but uh..
I just remembered I forgot to do my tasks and bolted to bault (yes I wanted to say that) and noticed this pot has it always been there? Am I blind?(don't answer the last one)

[lethal stump]

my take is: peninsula connected to a plateau that goes slightyly down to a floodplain, then two mountain ranges with a river basin between them

vault is IN the eden mountain, its not seperate, and the mountain takes up so much of the horizon i'd reckon its much larger than that map gives it credit for

[jovial sail]

this is what i think it is too i put the vault tower as a small square next to the starlight desert but it’s supposed to be inside the eden mountain

[lethal stump]

also imo starlight desert should be smaller, its not as big as wasteland by any means, its only the size of the broken temple area with a bit that shoots off towards the mountain.

aside from that though i do quite like your map

[jovial sail]

behold mount triumph the mountain we slid down

[jovial sail]

there’s probably some areas that arent shown but i agree

and here’s also some eden and valley-wasteland geography i made up

[lethal stump]

horrible edit because im on my computer but i made eden bigger and extended wasteland the way it seems to me imo

[jovial sail]

lol its ok i get the basic idea

[lethal stump]

but otherwise very pog map !!! i like it a lot

[jovial sail]

thx

[dry ivy]

OKAY so that spirit struck me as odd: I felt a bit bad that my skid learned a theatrical comical faint from what looked to me as a guy who died in agony

[dry ivy]

monk pope???!🤣

Seeing a skid with just...a Pope hat looks comical to me for some reason

[orchid jolt]

one, the sky kids are literally kids, and two she wasn't ever going to do THAT with the sky kids, she was using ||seduction|| to try to kidnap the sky kids #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[orchid jolt]

the spirit seems happy that the sky kids thought it was just fainting, evidence: the spirit does teach other fainting emotes.
like i said, the spirit may not have wanted to make a child sad

[dry ivy]

Huh?????

[warped quiver]

what are those eggs on top of the trunk at the end of the hidden forest? have a story?

[icy spruce]

That’s in the concepts tho

And no, it’s not the sexual seduction (it’s like the ‘YO, I AM GONNA CHARM YOU WITH CANDIES’ type yknow?)

[dry ivy]

I assume seduction is more of the literary
meaning than...the sultry version

Probably means the skids would be tempted to leave the path with certain things THEY’D find interesting, not uh...yeah.

Interesting though that the first had more a sinister vibe. I thought the concept art of her looked more...mischievous

I assume she was trying to k test them though...or was she a more sinister creature?

[dry ivy]

Yeah, that’s what I thought!! But I have to be extra sure because...internet. You never know for sure sometimes

[icy spruce]

I mean, if TGC was going for THAT seduction….they’re gonna get cancelled the moment players understand what Forest mama was doing

[orchid jolt]

yah, we were talking about the CONCEPTforest elder. Also, the concept forest elder literally has a yoohoo (like in a sultry way) stance in one of the concept art pieces, ill go get it. (and you have NO idea how many innuendos are in children's movies do you?)

[pastel brook]

Have you seen my fox?

[icy spruce]

Ohhhhh, I thought ya’ll mean’t today’s elder

[orchid jolt]

@pastel brookdev caped kid... you know about the sky shop right? Where you got the dev cape? The fox is in there

[orchid jolt]

I got the image with the pose:

[icy spruce]

OH THAT, ye ik that for some reason it has that wine aunt vibe lmao (imo)

[orchid jolt]

....https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/seduction

just admit that we need to call the FBI on the forest concept elder

[icy spruce]

Ik what seduction means, but cool and true (thank goodness they changed it)

[orchid jolt]

They are literal easter eggs

[lofty rover]

^lalalallala I can't read thsss I am blinded by my love /j

[dry ivy]

I assume this means they were inspired by her mischievous nature and her role as tempter in designing her mannerisms. I seriously don’t think anyone working on Sky were thinking of taking it any further

[dry ivy]

Oh haha the wasteland elder has a little braid ponytail

Dude looks BUFF tho

I mean wasteland elder is buff

But this guy has Marvel Hulk superhero vibes lol.

[hushed steeple]

Concept Forest is seen with a teddy bear. Coulda been a trap? All kinds of child-themed traps in a forest, seems like a creepy idea.

[rigid mural]

^^^

[lethal stump]

concept forest was based around myths of cryptids, usually ones that presented as women, that roamed forests/rivers to lure away both adults and children alike. take La Llrona for a cliche example. she roams riversides crying for her children then when someone approaches her she drowns them. Also Baba Yaga, Hansel & Gretel witch, etc, etc.,

ive discussed this before, but it seems that concept forest elder was an analogy for addiction. forest was your teen years, and although there was a winding path through, you could get through it. but forest elder was there to distract you and veer you off course until you were lost in the dense woods unable to move on to adulthood aka valley (many addictive substances actually keep the brain from maturing causing you to remain teen-like)

[edgy ruin]

Wow this is such a good theory!

[rigid mural]

I prefer our current forest workaholic, they can throw me anytime.

[edgy ruin]

PPFFTTT HAHAHA

[lofty void]

I just got hit in the face with this o h m y g o d

[hushed steeple]

Current Teth could totally beat up Concept Teth

[lofty void]

Concept Forest Elder is probably the Gaslight part of Gaslight Gatekeep Girlboss 😭

[rigid mural]

Ok but the stuff they do with the rocks and how they lift their hammer ? Telekinesis is a very Vault thing, maybe the devs kept their friendship with that other elder a thing.

[hushed steeple]

In loredoc, it says “Forest and Vault have similar masks because they are related” or somethn.

I headcanon sisters.

[icy spruce]

Ye

[lethal stump]

imo lamed and teth are married and you cant change my mind

@edgy ruin would you like an intro doc ? cursed slowmode

[edgy ruin]

I started sky at the very end of assembly. I really wanna get into the lore of this game you guys thing you could help me out

@lethal stump yes! Haha

[rigid mural]

Nonbinary lesbians ? Nerd-Jock sister alliance ? Good food.

[dry ivy]

Oh woah 😦

[hushed steeple]

I see Lamed as a sweetie granny and Teth as stern workaholic.

[lethal stump]

Hello new Lore Moff!
Read this short document to get started! Once you’ve read this, check out pins for more information.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18B1-SKG3toG0oH0VhOWC5o-cG9u0STAN92QvmbhTDto/edit

[lofty void]

personally I see Lamed and Teth as sisters ngl

[dry ivy]

OOOHHHH I DIDNT KNOW THIS. I LOVE IT

[edgy ruin]

Thank you!

[rigid mural]

Teth wouldn't hurt a fly either 😤

[hushed steeple]

No I image the fly would receive a rather painless death.

[lethal stump]

stipulation on the "related" comment: i spoke to the person who translated it from japanese and they said the MASKS are related, not necessarily the elders

[hushed steeple]

They are pretty represented by their masks too. Interpret it how you like. Its jello. I prefer that they are represented by their masks, like faces. Like sisters.

[dry ivy]

Yeah I really really like this theory a lot

Dang I still don’t know their names

Who is Teth and who is lamed

Anyway I just wanted to say that the forest elder seems to me to have more...of a spitfire quality to her lol. Artistic, kinda gets carried away by her work, can be calm but can be impatient sometimes and excitable, “get outta the way I’m making ART”

Archive elder is more sedate, introspective, quiet

[rigid mural]

I imagine that in that infamous cutscene, the forest elder was just super eager to see light again and just went "gimme that" without any kind of animosity towards your character; you even see the sky kid run up to see what they're doing to the flame.

[lethal stump]

forest elder - teth
vault elder - lamed

[lofty void]

Teth
Lamed

[hushed steeple]

I think it related to her element too. Shes supposed to have PATIENCE of water and yet the main character trait we see is IMPATIENCE. I like that detail, lost wisdoms. Geez I hope its intentional.

[rigid mural]

Hmmmm that makes sense too

[dry ivy]

Yeah I don’t see it as animosity. More like excitement! And like I said, i think once she is absorbed in doing something, especially making stuff, she doesn’t want anything else to distract her hehe

This is just conjecture lol. That cutscene always makes me smile though—“GIMMEE”

[lethal stump]

yeah i noticed that, seems intentional imo !

[hushed steeple]

Prairie naps instead of being tenacious, Tsadi gives up instead of braving it further, and the twins bicker for whos more important, instead of accepting balance.

[rigid mural]

YEAH IT'S ADORABLE I wanna see them blacksmithing man.

[dry ivy]

Idk if anyone is into transformers or even the Aligned continuity of it, but they had this creation myth thing for the Transformer race with these...well, huh, almost like a team of Elders actually

One of them was named...Sol...something (solunus? Solar? Argh). Anyway she was a female bot who had a big hammer and loved to create things. She was the artists of the group. Teth immediately made me think of her.

....too bad the fall of the 13 Primes was partly due to her being murdered by her lover. Whoops 🌚

[hushed steeple]

Transformers has lore?

[icy spruce]

Yeah

[rigid mural]

Oh this is very, very interesting. Messed up sleep schedules can also be a symptom of depression. Maybe Prairie couldn't cope with the horror.
However I don't see the Valley twins as bickering, it's closer to sibling banter to me since they look to be both in on it (adorable).
Also leave the GW elder alone ! They're tired and traumatized 😔

[dry ivy]

Yeah as soon as I saw him sleeping and leaned more of the lore I immediately though “depression”

[hushed steeple]

I want just one happee elder

[rigid mural]

If that eases you mind, Prairie looks like an expert at bear hugs.

[dry ivy]

I think we skids are helping with that anyway. healing the elders one at a time

[dry ivy]

I love gentle giants in any piece of media, man. He looks like the sweetest fella ever look how gentle he is with the butterflies

[hushed steeple]

One of my favorite story of sky is how 7 monocramatic adults are now adoptive parents to 10million new colorful sky babies.

[rigid mural]

The little gasp as they see the flame

[dry ivy]

YES THIS 👆👆👆

[rigid mural]

Guys. The elders are litterally lit up by the flames you offer them. It's ok, you're helping them and they appreciate you for it.

Light_Drawer on twitter !

[hushed steeple]

I saw that! I adore it. Elders holding and interacting with skidos my favorite. I melt.

[dry ivy]

Ahhhh I gotta see more of their art then!!

[lofty void]

in my lore, as in my version of sky lore elders literally interact with skids all the time haha

[dry ivy]

SAME SAME SAME

If you have any other wholesome sky fanarts please feel free to DM me them if u want

[hushed steeple]

In wishlist version of sky you can request uppies from elders in orbit

[lethal stump]

hey guys, remember that we're not supposed to repost others' art

[dry ivy]

AHHHAHHHA This is the chaotic sibling energy I crave to se win those two

[rigid mural]

Headcanon that while the cutscenes are as long as the elders can muster, meeting them in Orbit enables sky kids to more or less communicate with them...
Because I also headcanon a language barrier.

[lofty void]

I once was part of a discussion about the elders being able to visit you at homespace

[hushed steeple]

I also wish all elders got glowy in their cutscenes. Fuel ALL of them.

[dry ivy]

I hope maybe TGC will show the elders interacting with skids more in the future

Please let my skid have a piggy back ride on the prairie elder

Or Teth comb their hair

Or Lamed reading them a book or something ahhhh 🥰

Do you know if Light Drawer is on other platforms? I’m just not on Twitter anymore

[lofty void]

Samekh playing baseball with a skid

[lethal stump]

i just want alef/resh in game
that is
all i ask

[hushed steeple]

Was it the actually with the skid....as the ball?

[dry ivy]

Which one is that? Is that the old guy?

Either way that sounds fantastic

[dry ivy]

So is one Adam and the other Ekh?

[rigid mural]

They state they only post on twitter 😔

[dry ivy]

Oh okay...maybe I’ll just create a Twitter account solely for them ...if they even want me to follow them that is

[hushed steeple]

I like splitting one Sah and one Mek. Spiky as Sah, poffy as Mek, because it sounds like how I like to pronounce it. Imagine your mum combing you and your sibs name when yall in trouble. JACOBALISA! Get in here!

[lethal stump]

i do Sam and Ekh , with Sam pronounced like "psalm"

[rigid mural]

I call them the valley idiots but it's nice to see we all got nicknames for them.

[dry ivy]

The Valley Twins is what I call them because I forget the elders names all the time lol

[hushed steeple]

Thats fair. We had to take a vow to never ever be confusing with the names to even be allowed to keep using them in this chat

[dry ivy]

Oh gosh I just heard of that. Don’t worry I’ll read the document!

[rigid mural]

This server got the weirdest rules sometimes...

[hushed steeple]

Haha, don’t even worry about it. Its concept stuff. Fans dug them up out of hunger for having something more personal to call them than the -realm- elder. I kinda just use both interchangeably. Casual.

[lofty void]

I call them Sah and Mekh when I'm referring to one of them but usually I refer to them as the Valley Twins

[hushed steeple]

It got more useful with Alef, the Prince of sky now though. Since. You know. Just saying Prince got twice as confusing.

[lethal stump]

we got Alef and Offbrand Alef

[hushed steeple]

imported Alef

[lethal stump]

next season Alef comes back and usurps TLP

here look i made a meme
#sky-memes message

[dry ivy]

”Move aside, lesser me!”