lore-discussion-spoilers

[harsh pecan]

What is it?

[terse canopy]

What does the sign of the weather vane of the Sanctuary

Manta? Birds? Or creatures?

[harsh pecan]

I asked about it, it might be a Megabird symbol

[terse canopy]

[harsh pecan]

Do you know who Megabird is?

[terse canopy]

Ye

[harsh pecan]

If you tilt it, you can kinda see a resemblance

[terse canopy]

Ya they all similar…

[harsh pecan]

Yea

[terse canopy]

Nice I forgot what I was wanna ask kek

Thanks the great lore discussion

[harsh pecan]

[wooden sentinel]

Who's megabird?

[wooden sentinel]

I cant read this one- sorry

[harsh pecan]

You don’t have to though, the first pic shows the life cycle, and for the second one I just sent it because it has another photo of Megabird.

[wooden sentinel]

ah alright thank you !

[harsh pecan]

Np

[terse canopy]

I was wondering since I was a moth that where is the core of the mega bird in the live game now

Seems only the big manta in prairie village have core now

[safe pond]

Not sure if anyone else has stated it, kinda new here, but the mega bird reminds me of a phoenix. It makes the most sense given all the stories about it, but I can see it being a giant manta (like the celestial one seen in the Vault of Knowledge) as those are common throughout the game

[autumn lodge]

The Phoenix imagery would be cool, since rebirth is a big theme in the game

[harsh pecan]

Yes

[safe pond]

Right? I've seen a lot of theories about the megabird (mainly about lore) and I don't think I've once seen someone make the comparison. Like a fiery bird (some stories even have it come from the sun) and representing life, death, and rebirth. Sounds similar enough to me

[solemn gazelle]

If you have beta or if you're brave enough to venture in #beta-screenshots-videos you will have your answers

[slate saffron]

[gilded spoke]

Wait, do you know that

[slate saffron]

ALL HAIL THE KING

[tender kayak]

KINGGGGGGGG

[dusk fjord]

So i was watching mantas in sanctuary islands and i saw that they had shadows. It reminded me of the theory that your shadow doesn't have the cape bc the cape is made of light and light can't cast shadows. With that logic, shouldn't mantas be shadowless too since they're light creatures? Or am I just dumb?

[terse canopy]

Thank you but I'm really just suddenly wondering about the sanctuary

||I'm thinking about if they I'll ever think about change the story turn to our king after the season of the llp end…I really missed our king||

All mantas and creatures have cores in concept art, but trun to live seems only elders and the big mantas in village have the core…is this have special meanings like actually the mantas in prairie were artificially modified?
I'm just dumb new moth I swear I really don't know where to know this

Great lore discussion

Long live the king

[cosmic willow]

i heard that they had a low polygon budget which limited the size of detail on assets game mech wise
however if we’re going from a lore angle,maybe smaller creatures have cores that are harder to see

[high bison]

What are these “cores” your talking about?
The little head diamonds?

[cosmic willow]

possibly

[high bison]

I heard from here Sky kids are made of stone?

[terse canopy]

Like the little light point on our mask n body, they eye of the krill, the blue diamond on the big manta, and the big lighting part on the elders… IDK if I missed and details

[harsh pecan]

KING!

[open locust]

hello lore chat. i have a theory.
you know how the rhythm spirits are part of a travelling circus? consider the fact that the owl hair is never seen on any spirits besides members of the rhythm troupe. owl hair is the skykid equivalent of a clown wig

completely serious theories aside (/gen. i am not joking about the owl hair,) i'm thinkin about how canon the season of the little prince is to sky

i assume it's one of those dubiously canon things where you could interpret it either way until someone involved with the story comes out and either confirms or denies it, but there's something about starlight desert's intro text (Where dreamlike worlds collide) that makes me think that at least some of it isn't real

[high bison]

Valley and wasteland rhythm spirits?

[open locust]

[high bison]

I mean the valley spirit is literally judging

Plus the two spirits that wear the owl hair don’t seem like clowns at all

[open locust]

all of their hair is the skykid equivalent to a clown wig imo

[high bison]

One of them is a director

[open locust]

i dunno, it just seems too outlandish compared to every other spirits' hair to not be slightly clownish

[high bison]

Yeah I guess

[high bison]

Well then we’d have to talk about what exists outside of the sky world and it gets kinda messy

[harsh pecan]

Yes

[open locust]

yeah, it's all kinds of weird

like the prince vaguely mentions the merchant in one of his cutscenes but which merchant, you know? like was he talking about the spirit or the Human Man

[harsh pecan]

It’d be good for us lore enthusiasts if TGC confirmed more stuff as canon

[open locust]

and the thing is all of the spirits in the starlight desert could absolutely be actual people in the context of sky, so that's also making things harder to interpret

like are these the equivalent of characters in an au fanfic or are these just six regular people who just happen to act exactly like characters from a childrens' book

[high bison]

Well we go around “reliving the memories of spirits” right?
What if those characters are spirits now and we’re just reliving their memories and befriending them after they died

[open locust]

ooh maybe, i could see that

[high bison]

And the times we see the prince during the cut scenes is just part of the memory

[open locust]

their spirit appearances not resembling their book counterparts could just be how skykids interpret them

[high bison]

I just had an idea

[open locust]

it would explain the narcissist's unique face model, at least

[high bison]

And tbh it might be kinda dark

So, u know this right?

[open locust]

yeah i remember seein that around 👀

[high bison]

So the sky world is kinda like an afterlife, or maybe a second existence according to this diagram

[icy spruce]

What’s the topic

[high bison]

Either way, it’s separate from the “material world” or whatever

[open locust]

canonicity of tlp and its spirits

[icy spruce]

Oh okay

I personally wouldn’t see the season as canon (since its a crossover), but that’s just my opinion

[high bison]

And the little prince takes place in that material world
All the planets and the asteroid are just out in space somewhere

Do you see where I’m going with this

[frozen pivot]

this old concept seems to imply; we humans are empty souls, and we become full souls again as we journey through the sky world and the cycle continues? so it also means megabird is harvesting our souls

[high bison]

Yes.

[open locust]

it does make sense, the original characters had to die at some point

[frozen pivot]

well it isnt surprising if it made it to canon

[open locust]

as for the prince being here in the flesh as a child, i feel like that's one of those things you have to suspend your disbelief for

unless there's something in the original story i'm forgetting,, it's been years since i last read it

[icy spruce]

Little Prince has fingers

[open locust]

most of the spirits have fingers 👀

[icy spruce]

I thought they’re all mitten hands

[high bison]

Yeah there’s a lot of plot holes like why the little prince isn’t a spirit or sky kid or smth
Or the validity of some old, early concept art
But it’s a neat idea

[open locust]

i think most of the rhythm spirits and also the assembly guide have mitten hands

[high bison]

I haven’t read it at all

[frozen pivot]

all ancestors have fingers

[open locust]

in the case of the rhythm spirits i think those are actual mittens, but jury's still out on the assembly guide 👀

[frozen pivot]

the boogie kid spirit actually have mittens but not mitten hands

[icy spruce]

That’s weird

[high bison]

mmm fingers~

[frozen pivot]

the fact that i know all spirits have fingers or all spirits have fingers?

[icy spruce]

All spirits have fingers

[frozen pivot]

now that i think about it, yes

[icy spruce]

Ye, it’s very weird

[open locust]

wait i'm a clown, the assembly guide has mittens bc they share their model with the pantless rhythm spirits

i guess they just got cold or something ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[icy spruce]

So that means:

Children have mitten hands, but when they get older they have fingers

[frozen pivot]

the weirdest fingers of them all is bloom's retractable fingers that she can stretch at will

[open locust]

oh god i forgot about those

[icy spruce]

Lmao

[frozen pivot]

she got ur nose

[frozen pivot]

wait pioneer kid have mitten hands?

[icy spruce]

Idk

[frozen pivot]

she has fingers

[open locust]

ooh that's a good point, they do have fingers

[frozen pivot]

i checked

[open locust]

maybe it's a skykid thing since every other kid has fingers ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[frozen pivot]

skids arent ancestors tho

[open locust]

yeah, that's the point

skykids are a different species that doesnt have fingers

[frozen pivot]

question is why we aint got no fingers

we built like gingerbread cookies

[icy spruce]

Because Megabirb said so

[open locust]

you don't need fingers to give hugs

[mint widget]

GINGERBREAD COOKIES AJSHAJDH

[frozen pivot]

i need em to poke eyes tho

[open locust]

makes me wonder how we play instruments though

[frozen pivot]

uve ever seen piano cat?

[open locust]

👀 yeah fair

[frozen pivot]

ye, paws didnt stop piano cat

[cosmic willow]

we should be questioning woodwinds
skids have no air holes

[icy spruce]

Oh ye

[open locust]

OH YEAH I FORGOT ABOUT THAT

[cosmic willow]

most woodwinds need buttons so uh
tgc explain

[open locust]

alternate skykid with a very large mouth. how many instruments will they play.

[icy spruce]

Mmm, I love skids anatomy

[open locust]

i'm gonna head to bed before i start getting incoherent

gn lore chat

[icy spruce]

Night Cow Man

[frozen pivot]

i mean, wat if each notes is the skid mimicking that note

its true we dont have air holes, but we can 'call'

[nimble ingot]

ThatGameCompany has illustrated characters with no visual mouths before, as with Journey and Abzu.

So, One can assume that sky characters have mouths; but it is not visible in the game possibly due to the low polygon count, save time with animating expressions (also allow players to visualise/assume what expression there would be) and a stylistic choice

[high bison]

w h a t

[high bison]

S K I D A N A N A T O M Y

Skid flight is actually powered flight using light energy as propulsion

Every time they flap it sends out a blast of energy behind them that pushed them forward

[nimble ingot]

Skykids are not like chickens that just flap like crazy just to get a soft landing.

Depending on the skykid (player), some of them are like missiles, lol.

[wraith plaza]

Hhi lore fanatics i have a big brain thought.

I have a theory, that the starlit desert is a purgatory of somekind.

A space that's formed by the cognition of those that are trapped there.

Chained to their work. Chained to their passions.
Chained to.. unhealthy obsessions.

The spirits there once lived in the normal realms of sky, but upon death within the desert, it's form changed to accomodate their .. very much trapped souls.

Making their own little worlds, almost. Their own echo chambers.

[high bison]

d e a r g o d

[wraith plaza]

It's a place where "dreamlike worlds collide", but. Ignoring the little prince for a moment, it could.. literally be a dream space. A mindscape, almost.

[icy spruce]

Nice :D

That’s a really nice theory

[sage isle]

hey op, are you o k a y.

[high bison]

aaaahhhh

[wraith plaza]

I am just angsty. Dhsjzhzhz

Fr tho. Those lot are awfully just . Wrapped up in their own thoughts.

[sage isle]

especially with the spirit who keeps drinking dark water..

[wraith plaza]

M h m

And the chains that are . On their bodies. Unusual for spirits. It's..a thing very much unique to them.

[sage isle]

perhaps, they are unable to leave the world? the chains are keeping em stuck to the ground.

[boreal nebula]

I've just looked at thatskyshop... that canvas bag seacreatures are wonderful... who knows if there will be sign of those in Sky one day

[high bison]

They are based on characters from the little prince

[pastel brook]

@high bison Draw me a crab!

[wraith plaza]

I know they are. But. Putting things into sky context can be p fun.

[high bison]

Heck off I can’t draw

[mint widget]

pay me. 5 dollars.

[boreal nebula]

DO IT!

[high bison]

[boreal nebula]

I did that too (check the message I'm replying from

choose an image of your liking and try to copy it

For example there are a couple of wonderful Crabs picture in thatskyshop

Healer Crab Pin
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0514/1485/9954/files/722A8058.png?v=1618773580
Flipped Crab Pin
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0358/8272/9612/files/Lark20200717-015343.png?v=1621378962
Crab Family
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0358/8272/9612/files/final-_banner_d71f66cd-2049-4dbc-963f-ec274d26baca_1512x.jpg?v=1626389679

✏️

[hushed steeple]

ok so I have come up with a random theory that most of Vault of Knowledge is a dream
like the skykid got hit by something and fell asleep when approaching the gate to Eden
then it kinda explains why does every floor become more and more "magical" and why does the skykid appear on the first floor after the Elder cutscene
what do you guys think

[lucid glen]

Everyone else might’ve noticed this already but my monkey brain realized the reason eden is called the eye of Eden is because it’s the “eye of the storm”

[mint widget]

%#2aweoksme 👍

[boreal nebula]

you think that's the first floor from the beginning?
I don't see it like that

[hushed steeple]

like the kid was still on the first floor while dreaming about other floors :D

[boreal nebula]

I think Vault is a dream scape/memory realm, tho

My interpretation is that our skykids go upstairs, but while we physically go up, our consciousness enters slowly the dimension of Lamed Vault Elder (each Elder has one where we meet them)

After all the first floor is now even more different than that last floor we wake up into it

There is not other corridor than the one we go out (which is sealed with a sliding up gate)

[hushed steeple]

hmm

[boreal nebula]

There is a portal to HomeSpace (but that would be a bit meta, because of game mechanincs)

There is no bench (the one added with the Bloom Event, on the left side of floor 1)

And there is not the golden vase (on a shelf, still on the left side of floor 1

[hushed steeple]

that is a nice theory :0

[icy spruce]

Hello and what’s the topic

[hushed steeple]

what is vault of knowledge

[icy spruce]

Ohhh ok

I think Vault is a tower where people store the records of Sky. But during the fall, the scholars were smart enough to project those records into lamps (and make half of Vault an illusion yknow)

[boreal nebula]

My idea is that we get closer to Lamed* the more the realms seems to resonate with what seems to be her memories of the 7 Realms

*(i know I shouldn't use the old placeholder name of the elders but I like it, NOTE: Elders names never were canon)

[hushed steeple]

so basically skykid starts seeing hallucinations made by Vault Elder

[boreal nebula]

I wouldn't put it like that, but kind of

Last thing before I go, a theory i read here along time ago about the floors:
1 is sand Isle
2 is Prairie (some how)
and so on till the last one (the 7ish) where we get carried by the Cosmic Mantas being Eden

[hushed steeple]

what if the scholars used too much of these "lamp powers" and they accidentally made half of Vault an illusion

[cosmic willow]

welp
scholars be like:illusions our vault

[hushed steeple]

like they stored the memories not in lamps but in floors-

[mint widget]

soo trure

📐

[hushed steeple]

yues

[mint widget]

hHello.

[icy spruce]

Hi

[mint widget]

so Awesome

[icy spruce]

Ikr, Megabirb is more awesome when fried chicken

[mint widget]

i Want fried chicken now

[mint widget]

i Am so hungry

[icy spruce]

ur welcome

[true grove]

King enjoyers are getting out of hand-

[mint widget]

No

We are normal. people and

[vestal lichen]

i forgor 💀

[neat flint]

[boreal nebula]

@hushed steeple So to clarify/recap about Vault
Floor 1 : sands remember Isle
Floor 2 : ??? remembers Prairie
Floor 3 : trees remember Forest
Floor 4 : Mantas and floating buildings remember Valley
Floor 5 : bones remember Wasteland
Floor 6 : multi-wings manta, spotted just in Vault
Floor 7 (after the mantas lift) : the Altar of Elders from Eden (which is also smaller than the one in the Eden Castle OOB)

[nimble ingot]

Lol, do we have a battle royal between the MFC (Mega Fried Chicken) and Burger king?

[icy spruce]

The thing is….MFC and Burger King are all under King Propaganda-

[untold notch]

Megan Lovania

[icy spruce]

No

[lofty void]

no

[cosmic willow]

think it was doors for prairie

[thorny zealot]

@boreal nebula Maybe the large door is what remembers praerie since the praerie has lots of doors..

[nimble ingot]

Is there any groups that follow the megabird thoery?
Or has that been obolished by the 'king propaganda?'

[icy spruce]

What-

[sullen axle]

HA

[sullen axle]

I can prove that is true

Btw please answer this
What is kings propaganda for

[icy spruce]

To spread how great King is

[sullen axle]

I have answers for everything but this one confuses me

[icy spruce]

Are you saying King is not great

[sullen axle]

How dare i
No way
Hes our lord
THE KING

[icy spruce]

Good

[ripe osprey]

Black water is actually jagermeister confirmed

[sharp lichen]

To spread that King is the true antagonist of the game and and any other characters are uncanny (or should I say uncanon)

[icy spruce]

That is incorrect and where are my 50 hearts

[distant turtle]

Floor 5 and 6 in your list are the same place

[sullen axle]

On 2nd floor the 4-player door represents the ones in prairie and teamwork

[torn reef]

Looking at the scene right before going into orbit it looks like we're on a mostly water planet any thoughts on that?

[distant turtle]

TGC tends to omit detail on stuff that requires looking backwards when there's a definitive path forward, like how the Isle Temple has no back. It's covered up by clouds now but it looked bad for a long time

All we can see when we look down from above the castle is the castle map itself. Nothing else like ruined Eden area or Valley or anything is visible. I try to use my imagination 😭😢

[manic jetty]

spoilers

[distant turtle]

They push all resources into what's ahead of the player

[manic jetty]

lol

so can someone pls explain the lore of sky my brain is in confusion

i know thw main story tho so dont make it too hard for urself

[manic jetty]

oof

[distant turtle]

My understanding is that there was a flourishing society that discovered powerful mysteries of nature and their society blossomed, but with their success they became arrogant. There was also a ruler who was especially arrogant. The society had a downfall and all their magic became imbalanced and backfired terribly. Everyone is now extinct, and they are lost souls trapped there and this overmind feels sad and creates sky kids to rescue lost souls and restore balance to the land

[manic jetty]

thx bro

[fair pier]

Hi there!

[meager carbon]

I don’t think they migrated to sanctuary, (perhaps they migrated to daylight prairie ?) because I don’t think the seasonal areas (besides the season of prophecy) are canon with the main story? But that is an interesting theory that all the areas are connected

[distant turtle]

I don't know but have a picture of a table placed on the clouds above GW Temple

[meager carbon]

If the wasteland water was evaporated and turned into rain in the forest, then the trees and grass would be dead. The forest is is still alive. Maybe the water was affected a bit by the deforestation in forest instead of the gw waters. And if all the areas are connected, then it points to the question, “why does it only rain in forest?”

[uneven stag]

So yeah

Krills are confirmed to be corrupted creatures

[shut trellis]

question, how does the office contribute to sky's lore?

[dusky oak]

as far as I know office is independent of the lore

[dry ivy]

Yeah! I’m curious about it too, mainly on why rain hurts sky kids and not normal water (fresh water and sea water).

I really love that you’re thinking about the world on an ecosystem level!

[dry ivy]

Also, why are there trees with no leaves?

I’ve noticed how often trees are shown with “cloud puffs” in lieu of foilage

[slate saffron]

Babies

Can they drink dark water?

[autumn lodge]

Maybe the trees are dead from toxic rain, since they have no leaves

[fair pier]

Meant santurary islands but ye I get what you mean ^^

I mean don’t trees usually fall when they’re dead? What’s keeping them rooting and not falling over?

[autumn lodge]

Dead trees can stand up if their roots are deep enough I think, depending on what killed it. Maybe the rain just killed all the leaves and left the trunks?

[fair pier]

Oh that’s true

[icy spruce]

No, mine dissolves in dark water :(

10/10

[harsh pecan]

Matching pfps (kinda) :D

[icy spruce]

Baal supremacy

[harsh pecan]

Yes

[civic wave]

Ok anyone found this thing yet(?

Not Scott the "dragon thing"

[harsh pecan]

It might be another concept of a Krill, but I’ve never seen that before

[hushed steeple]

It looks a lot like the one in the GW concept. But slightly more solid

Happy its confirmation theres more concept art we have not seen yet. Hello art book.

[civic wave]

[harsh pecan]

Yes

[mint widget]

yea.dats a concept of a krill

[dry ivy]

Aw, that’s kinda sad. I hate thinking of a world without trees. However, I could see this as such; and heck, they’re even white, which makes me think they are petrified

[sharp lichen]

I have no idea are they made like that?

[buoyant crater]

From what I understand, the king wanted the ultimate light and began taking the stars. The adults began migrating further into the sky to find the stars, leaving us Sky Children behind in case they failed, which we see they did with the Golden Wasteland. That's how I've interpreted the story.

[icy spruce]

50 hearts

[harsh pecan]

[sturdy thistle]

Ok,so basically I’m think that Krill were once manta,but after something bad happened(like some sort of darkness or something) they became dark and evil and drew off other manta that went into hiding.And now that the sky children have emerged,they come out of hiding to help the hero.(I know this didn’t make sense-)

I’m still working on this theory-

[harsh pecan]

Nice theory

[formal bluff]

yeah most theories have mantas getting corrupted by eden elder(s) and turning into krills.

I honestly dk much about lore, so sorry if this sounds dumb

aah sorry for the ping

[echo trellis]

Hey, could someone show me what the king looks like? I don’t remember how to access the picture

[mint widget]

yes here u go i always have images of him on hand i love him 😁

[high bison]

Topic?

What’s the current topic?

[true grove]

idk do you have one

[echo trellis]

Hehe he looks silly

[echo trellis]

Do you have any more? I need a lot of references for him, and prince if you have them too

[mint widget]

yeah 1 sec! and yeah he does look silly

here u go

[cedar sun]

Can I be a king enjoyer?

[cedar sun]

Wait what? Humans exist?

Maybe coffins

[mint widget]

Yes anyone can be a king enjoyer

[hushed thistle]

I heard that creatures, you know. Whales. They were the light creatures. And that king was really a king of sky land long ago. The spirits in sky world were alive.
But they found some dark stone thing in the forest. When you look at the forest mama’s house(?) it’s like a big machine. I looked though the concept arts and found out they were for the dark stone thing. So I think the king found the stone and used them to make some sort of energy source , and it messed with the light creatures light or something.
All I know for sure is that they had a big fight between each other. And the creatures became corrupted and became krills. (Hey I just realized there must’ve been a explosion!! The first spirit in wasteland’s memory u know)
When you look at the realms, it’s forest->valley->wasteland->vault right? So I think it shows a timeline. They found some energy thing->became rich and built a big city->had a big war and fell->just memories left to tell the sky kids the story, and to save them.
(It’s getting bit long and I’m not good at English sorry if it’s weird…but I just found out this channel and had lot to talk about👀💦 ) And, also about the elders, I think the king had them to rule big empire. When you look at the Eden door , you see the unknown whoever in the top center, and the elders all around. When you watch the cutscenes, we see that they look like they have been waiting a long time for the light. That shows the light was gone from the sky world untill the sky kids came.
How the sky kids came…the cutscene of the dawn spirit(behind the stairs) shows it I think. The mega bird had made sky kids and brought(kinda threw it idk) them to the sky world to save, give back lights.
Sorry it’s so messy

And I wanted to write the whole theories here but oop discord had a limit in message.
What do you all think-? I hope I’m not being a mr. obvious…

[frozen pivot]

perhaps

[distant turtle]

I think you are right about everything

[hushed thistle]

Just found out in the concept arts that wasteland designs were meant to be modern factory… that explains why the explosion(if there were) corrupted the light. The forest was just a mine. Wasteland was where they make them into energy…the polluted dark things would’ve been just flushed away. Imagine the king sitting in gold throne watching games in valley arena when lands are rotting. Maybe that’s why it’s wasteland. ‘Golden’ wasteland.

[cosmic willow]

golden might be a referral to wasteland’s greatness before the wastelandification,or for the abundance of golden moulds
either way the ruins do showcase the past glory

[frozen pivot]

the king too great to just sit, he levitates while sitting

[cosmic willow]

obviously
he can also juggle 5 power diamonds while doing so as our king is powerful and great/lh

[cosmic willow]

heard somewhere that dark water can’t hurt you if you handstand
guess that could be because the core wouldn’t be extinguished

[dry ivy]

Oh wow. I never thought about the story in that way. I just started playing the Forgotten Ark level, and this adds more context to why the prophets-magi-guys are looking for these lights. Looking at the boat murals, they seem to enable them to do...stuff. I knew it showed that this power was important societally, but it makes more sense of the KING was real jazzed on getting it. They probably were looking for the lights for him.

I mean, assuming those lights ARE stars anyway

[dry ivy]

I just love how big and tall and imposing he is. The cool mysterious mask. The flowing cape. And he’s so loooooong. He checks all my boxes for being one of my favorite characters lol. Whyyy can’t I actually meet him in the gaaaaaaameeeee

[dry ivy]

Is it just me, or in the second picture, does it look like a very tiny figure of the prince is standing on this pedestal on top??? Am I to understand that the Prince didn’t just turn into a big boy, but that really he’s this little guy piloting a giant mech???

[dry ivy]

I always wondered why it was called “golden” when all of it just looks black and green to me

[dry ivy]

Oh gosh I have a sudden thought: every great king has a cool jester. Do you think there could be a jester spirit?? ( I love the jester aesthetic )

[hushed steeple]

As a casual enjoyer of evil video game jesters, yes please.

[cosmic willow]

oho someone headcanoned that the twins were fancy court jesters that were so good they had their domains in athletics

[buoyant crater]

It also explains why it was called an Ark in the first place. It's not that they were collecting stars for the king, they were collecting stars to fix the sky, and they perished in the golden wasteland trying to achieve that goal.

[hushed steeple]

And yeah tiny baby princy standing in Kings facehole makes a lot of us think its a false body.

[dry ivy]

Wow.

It really gives one the impression that he’s trying to put on a facade, like, trying to be something he feels he has to be: he may look like an imposing enigmatic god, but inside, he’s just a scared, naive child?

[dry ivy]

Ahhhh, I see. I definitely felt this ambience of tragedy from the place. It feels kinda terrible to think the spirits remained there for so long.

Seeing how their memories show them wandering around and doing things (like the artist painting the ark remains to preserve their story for future eyes), I think they survived the crash for a while before they, well...turned into Spirits.

Only thing: I assumed that the Ark desert area used to be underwater, so the ark remains used to be at the bottom of the sea. However, seeing that they seemed to live after the crash, I guess they just crashed on a deserted island instead, huh...

Ahhh, and I guess they couldn’t leave because of that Krill haunting the area!! Maybe there used to be more—I imagine that would keep them sufficiently trapped.

[pastel brook]

[dry ivy]

I wonder why, though, when you get the Lights for them, they use it to revive the island. (I mean, I’ve only found the Red and Blue lights, so idk what the other lights do).

[hushed steeple]

It matches well with interpreting “elders were always elders” as “elders don’t age” if the child elder became king, but was trapped a permanent child. Got self conscious.

Maybe the reason skykids are permanent children? Maybe the difference is that skykids are ok being children. They don’t feel a pressure to grow up like their predecessor?

[buoyant crater]

age could be based on maturity, not necessarily biology. The more mature or grown-up a sky child behaves, the older they become.

[dry ivy]

Oh gosh. That’d be kinda awful: like, how Peter Pan might feel 😞
But it explains a lot.

Aww, I like that theme of feeling okay to be a child. It’s okay to be innocent, playful, and even a bit naive! And that the bets way to keep that inner child but also grow is to come together and help one another. Kinda goes with the game’s focus on Moths and helping them out

[dry ivy]

Ooh, I like that idea too!

Maybe the Prince could never grow up (psychologically), so he felt he had to pretend to be an adult instead

And probably explains why he made some bad choices in life lol: he was acting as king before he really was ready to be an actual ruler (this has happened in history before!)

[dry ivy]

Yeah baby. Gimme more of those evil jesters in my video games man

[buoyant crater]

I'd rather have a mysterious cat shopkeep

[hushed steeple]

Ironically, more than one source of evil videogame jesters has a mysterious cat shopkeep.

[wind shore]

Spirits couldn't fly right? Which is why they built boats, I feel this could be obvious but just wanted to double check in case there are examples I've missed in memories and stuff. Ik some of them have capes but they don't actually fly right?

[dry ivy]

Ooh, that’d be a plus too

[astral sequoia]

Corrupt king bossfight
sky dark souls collab season

[dry ivy]

THATS WHAT I WAS HOPING WOULD HAPPEN WHEN I PLAYED EYE OF EDEN FOR THE FIRST TIME

(Though, obviously, I still love what we got lol )

[astral sequoia]

a narcissistic card who likes puzzles and owns another shop would be nice too

[dry ivy]

Oh okay, now I’m getting the reference lol

[dry ivy]

The jester that started it all for me was a guy who wanted to destroy all dimensions

[trail mesa]

I just realized, that the Sky kingdom wasn’t just one civilization that moved from place to place after their previous home crumbled. From the Nintendo Switch trailer, the spirits were cruising over the past golden wasteland, and then arrived at Isle Of Dawn. This made me think that the Sky kingdom, and all its realms/provinces are from the same time period, and they crumbled together with their capital city of Golden Wasteland/Eden.

[hushed steeple]

Hi Wild ! This is not the Golden Desert you see at the very beginning of the ad, these are territories that have disappeared over time, being long before the Isle of Dawn on their way.

[trail mesa]

Oh

[hushed steeple]

It was territories that were not part of the sky, the spirits inhabited the mainland before living in the clouds

[pale kernel]

Moths are made from love and sunshine

The absolute blessing of my day and the prayer i make at night 🥰

In real news ive had a theory moths are made from the wax 🥲 thats all ive thought of tho

[orchid jolt]

Sooo, does this mean theres a third quad wing manta that just won't come out normally?

[hushed steeple]

What do you people think of seasons in the lore aspect of the game ? 🤔

Do you think they have to do with the lore or are different stories on their own?

My friend shared a head canon with me that the spirits from enchantment were attempting to flee a war in wasteland and their ark crashed. They then had to live there and make a home and stuff. To me it makes sense and also is tied with his hc on the game

But that's the only seasonal lore hc here shared, so I'd like to know what people here think too :D

[somber swallow]

i loved the enchantment lore and i agree with this head canon. the mural also shows there were krill when they fell too, which makes me think there was already darkness and they were trying to flee the krill terrorizing the wasteland.

[abstract badger]

A little question dump:

The Enchantment spirits are linked to the Lightseekers (we know this from the boat paintings, and it make sense because they both chase light). So— we know that Sky magic is light-focused, but what is the important of the physical light orbs? Why do the spirits want them? (And where do they come from? Are they natural or manmade?).

[buoyant crater]

So it's confirmed via Little Prince that the planet of Sky has almost no land, it's primarily ocean.

[frozen pivot]

assuming its enchantment orbs ur referring to as physical orbs, i think the orbs arent wat they are meant to seem. their purpose is metaphoric rather than an actual thing- made functional through the effects that the orbs were shown to have

red orb for example can be found in gw which supposedly where technology bloomed; show of power

orange orb in the other hand can be found in forest where the first tech started; from fire

[abstract badger]

(Yeah, that’s what I meant) it would make sense, except the cave of the Piggyback spirit from the season of lightseekers has orbs in it, and you find orbs on the spell table. They are metaphors for magic and represent it symbolically, but it also seems that they have a physical and literal importance because there’s an implied interaction with them. I mainly just want to know how they’re important enough for us to have a whole season dedicated to seeking and catching them.

[frozen pivot]

lightseeker was the start, enchanment is different but similar in principle

but i find lightseeker odd, mainly because im not a lightseeker moth and barely knows anything about the season

its just a boat somewhere hidden under the dunes in isle

and light orbs

[abstract badger]

Eh, that was about it tbh. People were more excited about the capes and ||office||. We do know from the paintings on the Forgotten Ark that the Lightseekers were connected to the Enchantment spirits, however. So there’s that, I guess?

[stark marten]

I feel like Lightseekers and Enchantment are definitely connected somehow, but the exact connection is a bit vague since Lightseekers didn't really have a whole story for it. Just the opening and closing cutscenes. So the most obvious connections are the boat with the orbs in Isle and the murals on the Ark that seem to hint at there being a connection, but the rest is kind of up to interpretation

[frozen pivot]

welp that was the first noticeable thing when ark went out, it was fun

i still have a headcanon that both season's spirits are all scholars

cus ark is also connected to vault

[abstract badger]

There was a scholar in the Lightseekers group (it was most likely a result the old formula of having a spirit from each realm), but the interpretation I drew from the Ark was that the Enchantment spirits were sharing knowledge with the scholars as foreigners. Your headcanon does make sense, though, and explains the interest in the light.

[stark marten]

I'm not sure if they were all scholars, but I see the Lightseekers as the ones who went out and collected the light somehow, and the Enchantment spirits as the ones who took the light and manipulated it using their magic or technology. As for why they may have wanted the light, the murals seem to show them using the colored lights to produce the spells and potions that end up being sold at the Ark shop once you complete the quests there, so maybe the ancestors used those spells as well (or something similar). Then the mural seems to show them bringing the lights out on the Ark, maybe to share their discoveries with the rest of the Sky kingdom, until the Ark crashed in the storm and the lights got scattered to their various areas that we find them in now. At least that's my interpretation.

[frozen pivot]

my headcanon is like different branches of scholars: lightseekers seek light, enchantment harnesses essence and vault keeps knowledge, sort of thing

[stark marten]

Yeah I could see that, different areas of expertise and maybe even different reasons for wanting to study them as well. Like just for the sake of gaining knowledge and learning more about their world, or wanting to use that knowledge to further develop their technology and stuff like that

[frozen pivot]

lightseekers dont really have tech lmao

which seems cooler if that were the case actually, imagine finding tangible orbs of light floating around somewhere without tech to help u detect them

[stark marten]

I meant like in terms of the Sky world in general. The Lightseekers themselves may not have had as much of a focus on the technology aspects, but their discoveries and knowledge may have been used by other groups. The overall civilization seems to have been pretty interconnected, even if there were different factions or groups with separate interests

[frozen pivot]

perhaps

time will tell

[timid edge]

so the rain in Forest hurts us, but regular water doesn't, and dark water in Wasteland does. so is the rain in Forest also evil, what with the infestation of abundant darkness plants?

[buoyant crater]

the rain in the Hidden Forest is a reference to acid rain

[hushed steeple]

Im thinking and you know how some of the spirits you can collect have capes, do you think they were younger sky kids now grown up ? i could be wrong but its a fun thought

[dry ivy]

Wait what?? How?

[buoyant crater]

3rd quest, Little Prince states that he's never seen this much ocean on a planet before. Which confirms earlier questions on just exactly how much ocean is on the planet of Sky. Because if the Little Prince is saying that, and he's been to Earth, that means there's more ocean on Sky's planet than Earth.

[dry ivy]

Oh wow. This adds more context to the Sky people being described as making a kingdom in the clouds...there wasn’t a lot of room for civilization down below

Now the question is if Sky’s planet was always this way

[buoyant crater]

Likely no. As we see in the Switch trailer, the Isle of Dawn used to be much bigger, there's definitely been some flooding, though that seems to be a mystery for now as to what caused that.

[dry ivy]

Ah, okay.

I get a bit of this eco message from the game, especially with the industrial pipes and sludge in the Golden Wasteland. Imma thinking that messing around with some sort of power source—or at the very least, creating industrial pollution—has messed up the planet somewhat. Rising sea levels connect with the real-life concern and debate of climate change and global warming

[buoyant crater]

Oh 100%. Every other area has been affected by some environmental damage. Isle of Dawn, Hidden Forest, Golden Wasteland.

[graceful oasis]

I am going to have to point out that this can actually work if we add another Season into this mess, the Season of Prophecy and the elements shown because if we look at how most are located, they can at least be linked to the elemental parts in the Season of Enchantment since they are just seemed to be more defined aspects of elemental stars that can be shown in the Cave of Prophecy

[buoyant crater]

The Cave of Prophecy also hints at the location of all the other seasonal locations

[graceful oasis]

Here is most of them, and I finally noticed something about the fire element, it doesn’t come from the stars, it comes from the clouds

It also can be noticed that many of the elements were literally give to four of the elders, the two other elders don’t have any signs of using the elements by any way shown.

[mint widget]

yeap 😭 i feel the exact same way about him JAHDJAHS he’s also my favorite!

[dry ivy]

Good to know I’m not the only one! We King Kids gotta stick together

[graceful oasis]

Also Sky King is probably the dude that did all the trials, and was some kid that just was living in the Isle that was send away by the others to go commit epic speedruns

[mint widget]

i like to think that daleth (isle elder) raised him when he was prince

[graceful oasis]

Ya, the dude is literally older then all the flipping elders and was just left empty handed because I believe that The Sky King had left over Child trauma from the trials from what I can tell

[mint widget]

yeah 😭

[fickle wing]

saw daleth raised the prince thing don’t mind me just running in here 2 slap this down 👀

one most likely refers 2 the prince/king im guessing

[mossy pagoda]

Ok I realize there’s a discussion going on but are these symbols connected

I noticed it appeared in Prairie where there are a lot of bells and I was like “hmmm instruments?”

[mint widget]

so true krii so true yeasss also cheshira i’ve always wondered that 2

[mossy pagoda]

Like… what does it mean

I bet it’s in other places too I should go looking for it in murals

[graceful oasis]

DID I JUST HELP WItH LORE?! HECK YaA

[fickle wing]

i would
kill to see the rest of those little character pages for elders cmon tgc pspsps

[mint widget]

i’m not sure what it means actually! i always though the first image was just like a symbol of the king but i noticed its also on da wardrobe

[fickle wing]

you dropped the isle elders kinlist don’t leave us hanging smh 😔

[mint widget]

SAME KRII IM BEGGINF

[mossy pagoda]

Ikr!

[mint widget]

HELP tgc drop the elders kinlist please (i have money btw 🥺

[graceful oasis]

Ok so I am just going to point out something else about our old man Deleth, HE LITERALLY HAD HIS HEAD BROKEN

[mint widget]

OH YEAH his mask was liek broken in the first bits of his cutscene

[mossy pagoda]

I love that they compared Obi Wan and Dumbledore to kindergarten teachers though

[fickle wing]

@ teegeecee ill buy the tgc pin if u give us the elder pages 😁

[mossy pagoda]

Also while I’m here is this the right place to drop a casual skykid headcanon

[mint widget]

yeah!

[graceful oasis]

Compare him to the few other elders but Vault, he literally is more crippled as can be seen from how he walked and the rest of the elders at least seem be able to move well enough and express themselves easily. Vault is be excluded from this by how they sit down mostly and they seemed to be more affected by the fact that their life is drained more then the others and they seemed to be involved with gathering the elders since they seem second in command on the list of elders by what I see in a single painting

[mossy pagoda]

I hc that since skykids don’t have homes they just go to sleep wherever they feel like it, whenever they feel like it, and it’s very snuggly 🥰

[fickle wing]

speaking of vault being second in command
what if the order the masks are in on the eden kinda represented rank? isle isn’t on the door at all which matches up with the whole “did not have the respect of other ancestors” thing in the pic i sent a bit ago 👀

[mossy pagoda]

To add to this, they give the diamond thing to the skykid to launch in their cutscene so it’s possible they didn’t have the strength themself

[buoyant crater]

the capes double as blankets

[graceful oasis]

The Vault and Isle Elders didn’t have the power to use the light directly, they can use objects to help guide and store it, but they could not directly do anything to it compared to the other Elders since they didn’t have elemental lights at all compared to the other four.

[mossy pagoda]

EXACTLY I imagine the veterans play music sheet #4 (the lullaby) to help the moths fall asleep

[buoyant crater]

a towel/blanket is the most useful tool you can have in survival

without our capes, our sky children wouldn't survive. That's going farther than game mechanics, storywise they literally wouldn't survive without it.

[graceful oasis]

Sky children capes are literally just collected memories from those lost among the darkness that leave remains of themselves from what might be gathered of their essence

[craggy narwhal]

I also find it interesting how capes don’t have shadows (according to a q&a it’s because they’re made of light)

[graceful oasis]

Yep, they literally just extend power of light that become one with a skykid as I can tell since they can be easily gone and removed by darkness, and they act like a sort of protection thanks to them and by what can be said about ||Eden||, they are lost Sky children from long ago that have scattered about

[hushed steeple]

Hello Krii ^^ Could you send me the link to this document please ? Do you have the same for the other Elders ?

[mint widget]

unfortunately there aren’t any for the other elders :( only daleth

hopefully in the future tho we can get more for the others though!

[fickle wing]

^^
there’s not rlly a document it’s from the GDC presentation iirc? or the gnomon one
there’s links 2 em in the pins

[graceful oasis]

I can’t find it

[dry ivy]

Woahhhh where did this info come from??

Edit: oh nvm. I reread the earlier messages

[dry ivy]

Awwww

[frozen pivot]

or they dont sleep at all and only pretend to, waiting for unsuspecting prey to pounce on and steal kneecaps from. its a wild world out there, stay vigilant

[graceful oasis]

But how do they eat the Prey, by just shoving it in their face and just slowly just burning into ashes into becoming a part of them?

[dry ivy]

Morbid jokes aside, I don’t think they even have mouths

But then I think TGC said that the kids like sweets (and cake exists in game!) so...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jzm3sNl8VwQ

[pastel brook]

Ancestor spirits never understand anything by themselves, and it is tiresome for sky children to be always and forever explaining things to them

[formal bluff]

the only thing we are shown eating is tea tho

[dry ivy]

So, their masks absorb food??

I’m seriously thinking it works like the Waddle Dee in the video lol

[dry ivy]

Could you fill me in: what’s making the elders weak? And what was this about them absorbing “dark power”?

[dry ivy]

Does this mean we’re absorbing Sky Kids’ souls??? Or more like memories? I hope it’s the latter because then it’d feel kinda morbid

[mint widget]

?????

[sharp lichen]

Samekh?

[graceful oasis]

Dark power, basically was I am guessing is just the power to abuse the light into being more powerful then before since I honestly don’t know. This seems to cause major effects to the Sky Kingdom because by what is seen in all the realms not Eden, Isle of Dawn, and Vault of Knowledge, their seems to be some form of darkness around, even in Daylight Prairie. Basically telling something that the Elders that possessed some form of Light power offered to them, had been tainted by darkness in some way or form by what I can tell, they are still able to move and just exist and not be damaged thanks to the light elements they have, but the other two seemed to be the most horribly affected, one that had a major injury and very deserted place, another very much hurt and breaking apart and messed up scattered space that is like that of a scattered mind.

[dry ivy]

Ahh, I see. Thank you for explaining! I originally got the vibe that the Elders were weakened and injured by something that happened to them in the death of their golden age.

I assume the two you’re mentioning is the bearded Elder and the Vault Elder?

[dry ivy]

Oh wow!! Man you guys are good at finding these connections

[graceful oasis]

Ya dude, they were the only two I could tell had no light handed to them in the cave of Prophecy, meaning something to say the least and Vault Elder seemed to suddenly appeared out of no where in the murals as I can see.

[torn reef]

Are all the spirit constellations part of the forged stars?

[graceful oasis]

What

[torn reef]

So they made their own "stars" and I'm wondering if the constellations with the spirits are made out of these fake stars

[dry ivy]

Let’s see...just to go over the darkness’ and/or golden age’s fallout effects on the Elders...

Bearded elder is feeling the full effects of old age, blinded and frail

The Butterfly Elder seems to be lethargic, I guess? I got the vibe that he just felt too sleepy to do anything before the Sky Kid gives him some energy

The Forest elder seems to be without creative power, do-less, unable to take part in the artistry she seems to love

I don’t get what the Arena twin elder’s injuries might be. They seemed perfectly healthy and hale. Maybe they couldn’t compete and play the way they loved to do with one another..?

Soldier elder just seemed like he was working on fumes. He was fighting so hard he was losing the will to keep fighting

And the Vault elder is the one that really gets to me: he/she is shown to be so sad and forlorn-looking. They either are very depressed or just too weak to move much (or maybe both)

[cosmic willow]

about the twin elders,the light they received was the wisdom of balance
maybe their competition was to be fun at the start but as time went on it became unequal or even a rivalry

[dry ivy]

Wait the light given has symbolism?

And that’s a good note! Competition something toxic without good natured-ness to balance it

[cosmic willow]

it does!
they correspond to the wisdom you honour after finishing the respective trials

[graceful oasis]

Arena Twins… They literally perform sports so I can see why they are unaffected mostly unless we think about it in a different way, they literally been fighting each as rivals in races and such, they tried themselves to death, that both ends died out, leaving nothing but a nothing void of just empty pride, entertainment is no good with a empty spirit and pride to a game, so that can hurt many in themselves even if it’s not taken full notice.

[dry ivy]

Wow, did TGC state this officially, or is this a commonly agreed thing amongst us fans?

[cosmic willow]

water is patience
earth is tenacity
air is balance,mentioned above
fire is courage
these qualities may be things the elders possessed but lost when darkness took over

[graceful oasis]

Except two of them

[cosmic willow]

I’d say it’s a common theory

[dry ivy]

What’s this mean?

[dry ivy]

Ah, okay! It’s a really good one

[cosmic willow]

i think someone made a doc about the relation to prophecy and the kingdom
I can post it

[dry ivy]

Yes please!!

[graceful oasis]

Ok , I need to see more lore to get a more clear picture.

[cosmic willow]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/14uVgsmI5GTpanqaXUdLWZLg2ZLiP6FfGr44fZYi6Zww/edit?usp=sharing
Credit to Butter

[dry ivy]

So who got what?

Soldier gets fire (courage)
Sleepy elder gets earth (tenacity)
Twins get air (balance)
...who gets patience?

[dry ivy]

Thank you!!! Can’t wait to read it

[pastel brook]

There hasn’t been a party this big since that one time I pinged the entire server

[cosmic willow]

think it was the forest elder,teth

[graceful oasis]

I am going to commit Krill on my favorite Bot 🙂

[graceful oasis]

Ok this is pretty epic and I am just really happy that someone explained this properly. I needed this.

[dry ivy]

Wow! I just finished it too! I’m still new to some things in Sky, so I can’t say I’ve been around long enough to be acquainted with the many theories about its backstory, but this does a fantastic job thing together all that I’ve heard so far.

Makes one feel bad for the Prince though. It seems like mixing up the lights would be an easy thing to do. Maybe he could’ve avoided it somehow...perhaps he is more culpable than I think (mere ignorance or did some other flaws come into play? Pride? Insecurity?) Though, the Elders themselves are culpable too, I suppose, being too eager to use their powers haphazardly.

I wonder why the Mega Bird/Light God/what-have-you set this plan into motion. Why send the Prince? Did it want to give the Spirits a capable ruler? If all turned out well, what would’ve been the perfect end goal (i.e. what great purpose or desire was the Creator trying to achieve)?

Hehe, guess I’m getting into more nebulous theological territory now that a backstory has been made a bit clearer

[graceful oasis]

I been thinking of the Mega Bird as just some giant ball of light that just acts like any Primordial god, just following what it thinks will work for the long run and just making the dead come back to space, to make the collective normal again to itself and it just some type of acting animal that doesn’t understand what it exactly does, the thing is a collective of light and it just wants back it’s stars once again, no matter what may happen along the way I guess.

[dry ivy]

Ah, I could see that! But I like to think it has some sort of sense of affection for its creations than just running on rebirth autopilot. But rebirth is definitely a great focus of his/hers/its

[graceful oasis]

I could see that if it’s wasn’t for the fact that this giant bird seems to just exist and do nothing and that’s all, it may give a prophecy, but it depends on how that knowledge is provide is shared amount the people as I can guess

[dry ivy]

True. We haven’t been given much about the Sky Bird in-game, as of yet...it’s hard to say

[graceful oasis]

I just really want to see how it actually is and I just hope it just existing.

[dry ivy]

Same, man, same

[graceful oasis]

Sky kingdom:Literally destroying itself from someone mistake
The Great Bird:Just waiting in space, doing nothing much

[dry ivy]

Who knows? Maybe it’s doing more than we think

As the acclaimed “God” from Futurama said, “When You Do Things Right, People Won’t Be Sure You’ve Done Anything at All” 😛

[icy spruce]

shush, Megabirb Propaganda

-King Propaganda, definitely

[dry ivy]

Oh no don’t tell me that the King becomes a despotic ruler

[icy spruce]

You dare call King a tyrant

[hushed steeple]

The Forest Elder, I mean they steal your candle the second they see you have light

[graceful oasis]

You know what, The Megabird is just some high level God being that runs a candle business and each candle we see that is red is just his brand of light and we are just secretly his salesman since we always have the candle

[dry ivy]

@icy spruce 💦 oh no here comes the Spanish Inquisition

[icy spruce]

I will feed you Megabirb Fried Chicken

[dry ivy]

deepest lore: capitalism

[graceful oasis]

I just realized-
This is can work as a dumb lore theory if you truly about in that context of He is just running a candle business from space.

[dry ivy]

Sooo this guy basically

Well uh minus the nightmare monsters and stuff

[graceful oasis]

Yes

This idea is just going be give the reason for literally everything and nothing at the same time because of how dumb it is.

[dry ivy]

Yes, yes it will.

[graceful oasis]

Time to give the lore reason of why this works so wrongly, just all the candles no matter what the location, they just exist to be collected and that’s all, but what if, all of the candles are just there because they are basically placed there because they were sold and ordered to be placed there under whoever got it, in exchange for being able to use light to protect themselves from just darkness, but this doesn’t end up well since secretly steal your ability to use light unless your one of the many Saleman of the Business. So basically when the first of the ancestors gotten the candles, they lit them and use them for the purpose the first candle I brand is for ‘Storing drawings of whatever you want’ and many used this and then the lights went out as intended, but they couldn’t relight the candle, They got scammed

[dry ivy]

“How can I help you, Sky Kiddies”

“We need some candles to clobber that darkness, please!”

“That’s what I do best as Sky Birdie!”

“That better come with a money back guarantee!”

[graceful oasis]

“In exchange you just have to do some favors for me, got it?”

“Alright sir, thank you for the help sir.”

-This is how the Rest of the Skykids got tricked into being Saleman.

[dry ivy]

Ahhh gosh this is more depressing than the sad backstoryyyy 😂

[undone harbor]

Why are we having slowmode

[graceful oasis]

I have no idea but it’s not that bad of a slow mode

[icy spruce]

Megabirb spam lol

[undone harbor]

Mmm ok I thought there was a lore boom or something

[dry ivy]

I actually like it. Otherwise, I’d probably miss all the juicy lore bits and jokes

[undone harbor]

Time to backread

[graceful oasis]

Yep and currently the lore bloom is gone and currently the more depressing lore of “Megabird runs a Candle scam exists”

[undone harbor]

Megabird was a scammer?!
Scandalous

[dry ivy]

My Sky Bird is a corrupt candle salesman? It’s more likely than you think

[undone harbor]

Mmm yes real world concepts in sky

[graceful oasis]

(Note:This is not a good Theory on Sky, but it still works with just how many flipping candles exist)

[slate saffron]

MEGABIRD BAD

[undone harbor]

Here goes the king propaganda

[dry ivy]

(Don’t worry it’s just a joke theory guys 😝)

[dry ivy]

Hehe okay maybe the King is more like this guy huh

[icy spruce]

u r literally in KP-

[undone harbor]

I love wars between the propagandas

[lofty void]

eyo lore chat, what happenin

[graceful oasis]

Lore, definitely lore

[dry ivy]

Wait wait wait

No maybe the King is more like THIS guy

Eyy yo what happened to my precious gif

[slate saffron]

We're killing the heretics with a 9 inch spear

[graceful oasis]

Basically the theory going around right now is Megabird started the Kingdom to fall by a candle scam

[lofty void]

what

[undone harbor]

Why 9 inch

Why not more

[slate saffron]

Because yes

[dry ivy]

Megabird is the dark eldritch god of Corrupt Candle Capitalism. It is canon now.

[graceful oasis]

Think about, why are their so many candles in Sky and why is it that everyone around dead wanting candles, simple. Candles are the lifeblood of the kingdom and everyone wants them and the only ones that can give them are the Salemans, The Small beings from space that will restore the former glory of the land, that the King first started

[lofty void]

h m m

[dry ivy]

ITS A CONSPIRACY

[lofty void]

now that you say that… megabirb kinda sus

[graceful oasis]

Yes, he very much is, why did he even start this scheme on candles anyway and why does everyone want them, INCLUDING KRILL

[undone harbor]

Krills really loves eating light

[dry ivy]

Maybe candles are food

[graceful oasis]

Candles are just better tasting light you know

[dry ivy]

Homer voice Mmm. Wax.

[undone harbor]

Candles tastes like wax or butter idk choose one

[lofty void]

wax yummy

[dry ivy]

Does beeswax or animal fat exist in Sky’s world

Is it like

What is it exactly

[dry ivy]

Butter. You can never have enough butter. 🤤

[graceful oasis]

The wax is what Everyone truly desires, it is literally so tasty that if someone is so much wanting of it, they will do anything for it, even accidentally get consumed by Ashes.

[undone harbor]

If you consider mantas and butterflies’ light juice animal fat

[dry ivy]

Oh no is this equivalent of addictive junk food

[undone harbor]

You know,the juicer

[dry ivy]

Well okay nvm I don’t want that mental imagery

[graceful oasis]

I just made this theory even worse and that is just great

[dry ivy]

Maybe it’s Light Milk 🥛

[undone harbor]

Everyone wants to be tall like the king

[graceful oasis]

I can agree, the only reason the light animals don’t want wax is because they have some type of secret ability to produce Light that taste about as a decent as Wax.

[dry ivy]

some mom spirit somewhere TOMMY DRINK YOUR MILK OR YOU WONT GROW BIG AND STRONG LIKE THE KING

I MEAN YEAH HE IS A LITTLE GUY ON TOP OF A MECH BUT THATS NOT THE POINT

[undone harbor]

So he created a business based on the light animal milk and propaganda

[dry ivy]

Got Wax?

Or no wait would it be Got Light?

[undone harbor]

You know where that went

Honestly,everything would’ve gone well if people dealt with the pollution

[lofty void]

yes

[graceful oasis]

I really just want to make a ladder on how bad the system got from One Saleman of Candles to become a leader of a place that fell for a worse scheme until we get to the Krill and Crabs that exist because of they are beings that the manifested anger of the underlying corruption in the kingdom

[pastel brook]

[undone harbor]

Skybot what

[dry ivy]

we live in a society

[graceful oasis]

The storyline of Sky, but worse

[undone harbor]

*worse
I’m so sorry

[graceful oasis]

It’s ok

[dry ivy]

This is basically the equivalent of the crazy dark theories made Game Theory right

[graceful oasis]

Why did I have to come up with such a bad and beautiful idea

[undone harbor]

This is what we do in sky lore chat
We go crazy because there’s so little to lore so we put real world problems into it

And it somehow makes sense

[lofty void]

Also we create headcannons and create a whole freaking fanelder together

[graceful oasis]

So I’ma just write this lore idea down.

[dry ivy]

Are we just the people who huddle together whispering eerily with tin foil hats on our heads

[dry ivy]

Yes! Do it!

[undone harbor]

Sometimes the devs give us crumbs and we eat it like crazy

[dry ivy]

Hehe. Candle crumbs.

[lofty void]

switch promo trailer flashbacks

[undone harbor]

season of prophecy teaser flashbacks

[dry ivy]

Well I missed that hehe 😏

...Aw, I missed that, ehhh ☹️

[undone harbor]

I remember season of dreams teaser art and we came up with the skater girl is king’s child
It was wild

[dry ivy]

what

(As one has probably noticed, I have only been here on Sky for about a month. )

[undone harbor]

Look when you see the sentence “it took a village...” you just have to come up with SOMETHING CRAZY

[graceful oasis]

The All mighty Mega Bird, a being mysterious as he is bored of just wishing for something to happen and he sighed as he watched his Universe from all around, until he spotted one tiny rock fell. He followed it by his eyes until it clashed on a beautiful rock and from that star was a small group of small beings appeared and he watched in excitement as he chuckled, thinking about how how to help him and make them believe in his existence, until he just comes up a poor idea and just smirks and went along with it.

[lofty void]

i beg your pardon?? your megabirb fried pardon?? what??????

[graceful oasis]

I’m not questioning this since I just came up with this madness of an idea

[undone harbor]

Life is an experiment
Do whatever with it as long as you don’t die

[dry ivy]

Oh the ICE skater girl! I was under the impression you meant a skateboarding girl

Un-ironically, I loved doing that level. It was so so sweet.

[undone harbor]

AND AT THAT TIME I JUST,,,
TOOK HISTORY OF WOMEN RULERS AND WE WENT YO WHAT IF SHE’S THE HEIR
yeah we were crazy for lore crumbs

[dry ivy]

This, indeed, is the morally ambiguous AU of the Sky universe.

[dry ivy]

I could actually see that as a valid theory for the time, knowing so little about the season.

[undone harbor]

It can be true,considering we know little to none about megabirb

[dry ivy]

Seriously tho

The game is so cute and optimistic and hopeful I dearly hope to the Megabirb that this isn’t the lore lol 😭

Edit: why did I say pie. Silly autocorrect.

[undone harbor]

Gonna expand the theory and say because we didn’t see the girl’s dad,the theory might have a little hope

[dry ivy]

Wouldn’t it be neat to think that the King was in the audience

She had a dream to skate of course, but maybe it was a bit more special since she wanted to do well for her dad

[undone harbor]

Prince and skater girl half siblings?? Idk
The eternal conflict of a lore kid

[dry ivy]

Ooh that’s a fun one too

[undone harbor]

Throw in a bit of angst and so when she’s performing she just look at the almighty king sitting on top of the stadium and smiles,not knowing he is her dad
And the king is just,shock

[dry ivy]

But that’s what’s fun

You can come up with as many ideas as you want without having to fully commit to any of you want to

[dry ivy]

Ooooooooohhhhhh

[undone harbor]

That and when they leave the mom gave the king a glare
He just hurts,ya know

[graceful oasis]

This was the start of the beautiful existence of the people of Isle, just living life, making stuff to survive, setting up systems, and markets as well. And being approach by some large being and told “Collect these candles, they will predict the coming storms”. With that, the Large being placed out and left like a lot of random stick looking things are were thought to be some glorious object by the most crazy of people, who didn’t understand anything exactly and just decided to think of the candles of food and many people treated them as a food item and people started to quietly to love the candles and wish for more as days went by and the stock ran out. The people needed more, much more as the Mighty Mega Bird which from the Blackout space, laughing at their slow fall into joining into their place as night fell in that day.

[cosmic willow]

the thing about sky lore is that it’s the vaguest thing
anything is possible

[dry ivy]

Well this is under the notion that the king is an adult

And you know not a kid piloting a mech

[undone harbor]

He’s a dwarf he can’t grow too toll

[dry ivy]

Oh haha gotcha

[undone harbor]

Lawful neutral??idk

[dry ivy]

He sounds more in the chaotic personality sphere to me

[undone harbor]

Mmm right

[graceful oasis]

I love chaos

[undone harbor]

I can do anything!
(If you know,you know.)

[dry ivy]

Back to our earlier discussion of jesters

chaos CHAOS 🤪

[dry ivy]

HAHA JINX

[cosmic willow]

chaotic neutral who decided to put sticks around just because

[dry ivy]

perfect

[undone harbor]

Ok do you know jesters are actually very intelligent,talented people who are allowed to have the audacity to insult the monarchs

[cosmic willow]

yes

[lofty void]

yes

[dry ivy]

Yes. And that’s why they are pretty cool in my book.

Though having read Mimus, it sounds like it was still quite a painful job.

[undone harbor]

A jester come in and insults the king and elders
Little do they know,it was the megabirb in disguise

[dry ivy]

L-Loki???

[lofty void]

thats why Juggler isn’t TS ever- because they got a lil too overconfident and the King sent them to gay baby jail

[dry ivy]

You know fanart sits could go crazy making character designs for this

[undone harbor]

That guy is the god of mischief,he shapeshifts,can’t blame him

[undone harbor]

Juggler will be TS
*someone who has all his stuff already

[dry ivy]

First of all

What’s a TS

And there’s a juggler spirit??

I mean I learned the juggle emote but I don’t remember anything about the emote giver

[dry ivy]

I hope the King is actually terrible at meting out actual punishment and gay baby jail is as innocuous as it sounds

[undone harbor]

Ts means traveling spirit
Like the name,every two weeks there will be a spirit from a former season comes back so you can upgrade their emotes and buy their stuffs

[lofty void]

TS - travelling spirit
Juggler is a Rhythm Spirit that’s the only Rhythm Spirit not to get chosen as TS yet

[dry ivy]

I mean, if he is a naive kid piloting a mech (or a dwarf trying to make up for the imposing prescience he lacks) I have a feeling that he sucks at conflict and doesn’t actually like hurting others

Or maybe I’m completely wrong lol

[undone harbor]

A spirit can only be a traveling spirit if their season is one season away from the current one

[dry ivy]

Ohh, gotcha! Thanks!

Aww I hope he will be a TS one day.

[undone harbor]

I had that headcanon before
Though making fun of king is way funnier

[dry ivy]

I could also see him as someone who lost their early principles and acts more violently or rashly as time goes on

Maybe because he starts to panic at all the burdens of responsibility and his own insecurity and doesn’t know how to handle it

and yeah that is way more fun XD

[undone harbor]

WAIT THERES A STORY ON HERE WRITTEN WITH A SIMILAR IDEA AND MUST I TELL YOU,ITS PAIN

[dry ivy]

OH NO SOUNDS SAD BUT TELL ME ANYWAY PLEASE

[undone harbor]

Uhh it was a long time ago so I can’t remember much

[dry ivy]

That’s ok! A loose summary is probably best for me

[graceful oasis]

Everyone on the Isle land felt a strong desire for something, they hungered for light, storms have came and clouds have gathered and the Great Mega Bird laughed as he watched with great love for what is about to happen, as sudden stars fall and Mega Bird laughs as he stares below as the people hid below in the ground they know, searching for ways to create candles that they desired. They felt the sudden shock from outside and looked out to see the colored light as they go through the thundered storms and they stare with single thoughts of the words spoke that day “Eat these candles, they predict the coming storms”. And the ones that were on that day went out as the thunder brew, seeking the lights that came down on predictions knew.

[undone harbor]

All I remember is
The king realizes he’s being used by the elders,has a breakdown,screams,throws his crown and walks away
He hasn’t been the same ever since
Yeah the original one is more painful trust me

[cosmic willow]

does he eat o r b

[undone harbor]

What

[dry ivy]

Oh no no no

That is saaaad

[graceful oasis]

Rip

[dry ivy]

How could the elders be using him ☹️

[undone harbor]

Well,according to that story,king was still a kid and the elders manipulate him and seize power

[dry ivy]

Aw man

[cosmic willow]

megabirb sent him down to help but abandoned him as soon as stuff hit the fan
it wasn’t the king’s fault the elders were powerful

[dry ivy]

Aghhhhh all this dark lore

[cosmic willow]

and we steal it back for you

[dry ivy]

How did we take a cute game and make it so dark

[graceful oasis]

Because Yes

[dry ivy]

Noooo

[undone harbor]

Ehem
king gave them darkstones

[dry ivy]

Is this an invitation for me to ask for more explanation on lore or just a a glorious pun

[dry ivy]

But seriously tho

If the Prince ever felt abandoned

I think Megabird is working behind the scenes to save him

[cosmic willow]

there’s also a theory that megabird sent the skids to save those who lost their lives trying to save the prince

maybe one day we’ll save him too,,,

if i ever see the king i am hugging him

[graceful oasis]

How should I make this worse

[dry ivy]

Ahhh I like the theory!!!

ME TOO

[dry ivy]

at this point you are the chaotic neutral mega bird in your story

[graceful oasis]

I been laughing at the idea of the theory I came up with and how it has builder up since I have actually made my Skykid out to be a scammer in a way because why not hehe

[dry ivy]

I have a feeling the light child we hug at the end of the game was supposed to be the prince before TGC changed things

[dry ivy]

You gotta make a salesman skid OC now. It just comes with the territory

I love how people shortened Sky kid into skid

[cosmic willow]

kind of yeah
in concepts we had a massive boss fight with the king burning away the darkness
we gave our light to one chosen one in the group and they will ascend with the prince who saves us
all of the souls fly together all the memories of the kingdom are released

[dry ivy]

Was that shown in the concept art?

Maybe that will come in later seasons, or TGC made a choice to remove it to create a better story. I’m in the middle: I think that sounds cool as heck but I also like how the game subverts your expectations

[graceful oasis]

Puts on sunglasses Already have and My Skykid underlying is by being reincarnated at least three times over several months and losing their original body which has caused them to be depressed and just wishing to scam spirits because prices

[dry ivy]

Heck I just realized we created the hellish experience that TGC desired to avoid in their gameplay

Soulless pay-to-play iPhone games

[graceful oasis]

This is from my experience of losing a few accounts and deleting the game and coming back.

[dry ivy]

OH

...wow. Nice work organically tying your experiences to this dark universe we’ve created!

And I meant that sincerely: that’s a fun connection

Sorry you had your accounts wiped That sounds like a bummer

I hope you don’t feel as jaded as your character though!

[cosmic willow]

just realised one of my main ocs are a chaotic neutral against such acts of scammery
time to take it outside with salesman megabirb

[dry ivy]

fight fight fight

But seriously follow the loving spirit of Sky and talk it out

[graceful oasis]

It is and the best thing about it I am used to it and back to badly making Scammer Megabird, I wonder if I should draw him….

[tender abyss]

Love the conversation! Keep going! Eats popcorn.

[dry ivy]

It depends if you think we are ready to behold the face of such a dark eldritch god of Corrupt Candle Capitalism. Can our minds handle such darkness?

[cosmic willow]

or light as they call it

[graceful oasis]

I am making him.

[cosmic willow]

i should make my oc into a skid then

[dry ivy]

And so we must accept the burden of such dark knowledge with great solemnity

[cosmic willow]

oho
gonna pop back in a bit,battery’s low

[dry ivy]

whispers do it

[tender abyss]

How many times does a skid need to sacrifice themselves before they become gloom about the way things are

[dry ivy]

Oh ok! Get your phone some mojo and come back!

[tender abyss]

Eden is still eden. The storm roars on

[dry ivy]

I feel like this is a reference to something I am sadly missing out on

[tender abyss]

You sacrifice yourself, come back and... the storm of Eden is still there.

[dry ivy]

But you still got your friends

And I am sure that this isn’t the end of the story. That storm can’t be there forever

[tender abyss]

But Eden... is it natural? or is it a mistake of the past.. a very bad one..

[dry ivy]

Man I just had a discussion with someone about the nature of Eden. I was confused as to why skids went thru the constant cycle of freeing stone skids just to turn into MORE stone skids to be saved. They had such a good answer and of course I don’t remember what it waaassss

[tender abyss]

I look at it like a nuclear disaster.. something that cant be cleaned up... only sealed away

[dry ivy]

Ahh oh, I think they said something about that the sky kids purpose wasn’t to save Eden but to repopulate the world

[dry ivy]

Ah...true...hopefully there’s the hope that the effects will fade given enough time (like radiation)

But I really feel TGC will add more to the story in the future. There’s something to be done on that mountain

[hushed steeple]

Makes sense, eden itself has no chance of being saved, but you still can bring back spirits and children to orbit ad you Sacrifice yourself

[tender abyss]

I want more Eden lore content in the seasons... sigh...

[dry ivy]

And you get to come back, stronger and wiser

[hushed steeple]

Yes i wish 😔

[tender abyss]

And maybe a bit more jaded too.

[dry ivy]

Maybe. It depends on how a person looks at it: glass half empty or glass half full?

[hushed steeple]

Besides, didn't the elders fall and try to live a life in the clouds because they couldn't live one in the stars 👁️👁️‼️ so technically saving the elders is just bringing them back to home after their "vacation"

[dry ivy]

Is it canon that one skid brings the elders back to the sky at the end of the game where they stay forever, or do the elders come back too to help more skids

Tho that means they get weak and injured again??

[graceful oasis]

The people of The Isle rush into boats, seeking the light as their mouths roared of desired as they controlled them to head into the clouds, the clouds poured ring heavily on all sides as the People carved their way through, many wishing to just get to where the light fell, seeking it like the candles they once tasted and found so easily and several of the boats split as they all seek the different light they sensed, all leading to the finding of the elemental lights of Water, Earth, Fire, and Wind. As they all found the elements, their desire of the light fainted, a sudden clear state of mind came to them all, coming to understand the madness they dealt with and all of them felt a laugh as they looked up into the the sky and stared at the oh so beautiful light and heard the voice of the one that caused the chaos, “You all have been chooses to keep these safe keeps underhand, for they will one day fall into my disciples hands, I will reward you with knowledge of where to stop the hunger, as long you wish follow the words that will come to a later time”. The Mega Bird spoke as the Isle people seem to forget and only remember the importance of the light and the sudden voice words as a twisted and more moral speech of waiting for some child to get these elements to spread them to land once more to blossom new hope. So the people decided to hide away the lights and wait for the right time, feeling a ever sinister feeling from the lights as many of started to use candles as currency and making them to store memories as they alway known, right? The Beautiful Megabird is laughing as he sees this and just writing and making more of this scheme as he goes out for a bit to get someone to ruin more of these guys lives.

[hushed steeple]

I think just the whole generation bringe back the elders by dying repeatedly, or one skid just takes one for the team

[dry ivy]

Ah, gotcha

[dry ivy]

Now I think megabird here not so much chaotic neutral anymore and is just simply chaotic evil

[dry ivy]

Maybe the elders do come back to help more skids, but they aren’t weakened so much (we just don’t see it as the main protag lol)

[graceful oasis]

Sips tea in thinking about to make Eden just a A Shopping mall exchange you have to pass through just to get more candles to make the spirits have to have a favor to you since they get jobs in the afterlife now for being providers of life to the Salesman and having to go through endless meetings of how much they get in return for this deal

[dry ivy]

welcome to bureaucratic hell

Wait this is what you call kafkaesque

What I'm against is someone going to catch a bus and finding that all the buses have stopped running and saying that's Kafkaesque," he said. "What's Kafkaesque [...] is when you enter a surreal world in which all your control patterns, all your plans, the whole way in which you have configured your own behavior, begins to fall to pieces [...] What you do is struggle against this with all of your equipment, with whatever you have. But of course you don't stand a chance. That's Kafkaesque." -https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_57768f83e4b09b4c43c02e5b/amp

Yep. Darkest Sky AU.

[graceful oasis]

Pyramid scheme Au

[graceful oasis]

No this is definitely the dumbest Au idea

[dry ivy]

GREAT NAME

[dry ivy]

The darkest and the dumbest

[icy spruce]

Hello, people…I see that u r hating on Megabirb

Can I see what’s the topic

[graceful oasis]

Excuse me I love Him

[icy spruce]

le gasp

I’ll calling King Propaganda

[dry ivy]

No no I don’t hate him/it(?). It’s just a joke

[graceful oasis]

Megabird is a great God and definitely not a Chaotic God that caused horrible thing to everyone

[dry ivy]

please don’t call the inquisition on me

[icy spruce]

Same, I’m okay with Megabirb

Maybe

[dry ivy]

I’d love to know more about Megabirb

[graceful oasis]

Me too since I definitely didn’t just discovered his beautiful scheme that caused the disaster of Sky

[dry ivy]

And personally I think it’s benevolent

But boy having some little part in creating that AU sure was fun

[graceful oasis]

Thank you for the help by the way, Now Megabird is the best god I ever known

[dry ivy]

Haha! I had so much fun! You made up most of it. I like to chime in with jokes thanks for letting me in on the experience

At least now we can say that we can offer more theories about the megabird lol

[graceful oasis]

Yes and honestly I want to just create for theories on Megabird to show if you don’t give something a clear enough identity in any story or anything, then people will fill in the gabs with whatever they can think of and follow hehe

[dry ivy]

Haha, yeah!

And heck it works

(if we shove the hope and optimism of the game aside, but we all have the little urge to wonder what something would be like if it was a tad darker)

[graceful oasis]

I have see how taking a Dark route works with Animatics and such and I LOVE IT, mostly because I don’t understand and just find it fun to listen to music

[icy spruce]

King Propaganda is coming for you

[graceful oasis]

Grabs Notes Ok so the King is a Person that ruined his own Government right?

[cosmic willow]

not quite
some say the elders manipulated him,some say his greed consumed him while others say he was well meaning but short term good things might mean turmoil for ages

[graceful oasis]

Sips tea
Elders are guys that got involved with the mess and committed some horrible mistakes on both sides. I just believe the King had a horrible mess involving what he committed with horrible favoritism on some of the power he gave with the Elders.

[cosmic willow]

possibly
we all have different thoughts on lore
some think the king was all bad,some think it was the elders rolling a deception check making king a scapegoat and some think everyone made mistakes.including the birb

[mint widget]

i believe da king isn’t really a bad guy 😁 yeah what plant said. the last one especially

[graceful oasis]

The king isn’t bad, it’s just everyone made mistakes by what I can tell with poor choices which is just sad and Megabird just seemed to be involved in an unknown way so we can never be sure with how bad everything is on each side of this backstory

[dry ivy]

Yeah, I don’t like they think anything or anybody is truly evil in Sky. It just...has this pureness to it. I think everyone made mistakes, but not maliciously.

Though, the King, based on his concept art, I think is one closest to being the “darkest”...he’s not evil either, but maybe has some issues

Though I don’t think it’s because of any awful manipulation by the Elders. Probably just more poor choices on their part.

[graceful oasis]

I am just going off the one and false headcannon it’s as a pyramid scheme

[cosmic willow]

king might’ve wanted to be something more than just megabird’s stand in

[dry ivy]

The game does have some darkness though, usually somber scenes than malicious figures or actions. I remember the memory of the miner losing friends to a landslide...the one we learn the crying emote from. She had to bury them.

[graceful oasis]

Yep, that one is always sad

[cosmic willow]

nonono don’t doubt yourself
the m in mlm stands for megabird

[dry ivy]

I also thought the fainting warrior was a bit odd: I thought we actually saw him DIE, so the kid learning to fake-faint goofily felt a bit off to me. but I guess he just fainted

[cosmic willow]

he probably fainted and got help later on

[dry ivy]

Yeah, I kinda didn’t expect it

[dry ivy]

I hope so!

[cosmic willow]

hhhh crying miner is where sky started to make sense to me

[dry ivy]

In what way?

[mint widget]

THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I THINK

[cosmic willow]

guess that’s where i learnt how stuff was done
how spirits worked,how emotional the game actually is

[dry ivy]

Aw

[cosmic willow]

forest was a sort of turning point from the confusion i got in isle and prairie
I was a lone moth with only appunwrapper to help

[dry ivy]

Aw! That’s such a sweet memory to have. Sky is made for those moments

[graceful oasis]

You do not want to know about the horrible truth that Sky holds, for it was a Candle Scheme that was started by Megabird himself

[dry ivy]

Aw, I really need to get to bed now unfortunately, fellas

I hope to see you in the lore discussion again!

[graceful oasis]

Hugs
SLEEP WELL

[cosmic willow]

ah well
sweet dreams pancake

[dry ivy]

Aw! Thank you

Hugs to you all too
Night night

[tender abyss]

Thanks for your input!

[dry ivy]

Sure! I had so much fun!

[graceful oasis]

Now how am I going to make Megabird into the Best character in Sky…

Megabird is just a concept made by someone in the Sky world because they saw a Manta flying very close one day and thought it was a giant bird

[modern cedar]

ok so this is some of the concept art and i just find the idea od "Indifferent" skykids being a sort of subrace/ancestor type and i have an oc i made based off this one image

[cunning hazel]

Now i want to see that-
Maybe if it became a thing, possibly having a way to become one? (Think spaltoon, inklings and octolings)

[modern cedar]

i hear splatoon and i say "80+ ocs"

[cunning hazel]

Lollll
That would be an interesting possible season idea though, dark sky kids coming and even having the chance to become one
Maybe they would function slightly differently to normal sky children?

[modern cedar]

i just counted and i have 92

[cunning hazel]

Oop

[modern cedar]

apparently lore-wise the blue crystals that power ancestor technology are made of that blue stone (ig its kinda like the red rocks in eden)

https://www.tomzhao.com/sky1
(HEAVY image load but this page is 🤌)

there's also a king that's corrupted and evil? and apparently he was at the end of eden

[cunning hazel]

Maybe if someone could reach the end of Eden, you would find the king, and become his "subject" by becoming "indifferent"

[modern cedar]

aaah that would be so cool

ther he is... my mans.. he likes his blue stone

[cunning hazel]

Y e s

Because skykids can already sort of become "connected", by doung the final stage in eden and being reborn

So why shouldn't they be able to become indifferent?

[modern cedar]

also this one, the corrupted descendant is creepy as heck

thats the one with the corruption lore too

[cunning hazel]

Oooo

It would be interesting, because if the ancestors were able to become corrupted

[modern cedar]

another VERY interesting one

child ghosts???

[cunning hazel]

I find it likely the sky kids should be able to as well

[cunning hazel]

👀

[modern cedar]

there's also some lore on the Forgotten Ark, with the paintings that appear on it as you do the quest
it looks like the ship was struck down by lightning and there's a krill on it too!

[median geyser]

(I don't want to start off-topic discussion, but I just felt I had to say, Splatoon is awesome)

[cunning hazel]

Imma suggest all of this in #wishlist-and-ideas-archived if ya want to join me

[modern cedar]

y e s (@both)

[cunning hazel]

Did it

@modern cedar

[modern cedar]

yeeess

[cunning hazel]

I gave a few ideas and such, since it's honestly a really cool idea

Maybe losing all of your light in eden without sacrificing any of it could also be a way to become "indifferent"

Your sky child would have spent so long collecting winged light, and then fail at their mission of returning any of that light, so after their "defeat" they become indifferent

There would then need a way to become normal, but that could probably easily happen (maybe you would have to have multiple players at once light your flame back up, or even give YOU a winged light, because the player doesn't want to directly accept any more winged light themselves because of their failures)

[peak atlas]

Honestly, this sounds like a really cool game mechanic. I’d be down for this, sounds amazing!

[cunning hazel]

Thank you! Octosummer brought up the concept art, and i have a tendency to run with ideas :,)
(Comes with being a "writer" i guess

[peak atlas]

I took a look at the concept art and it’s really intriguing!

[cunning hazel]

It is, and i would be really excited of something like this ever did happen. Since in the concept art, it shows it as a sort of overlapping graph (forgot the proper name). The sky kids can already become "connected" by being reborn, so it only makes sense they can go to the other extreme and become indifferent

[peak atlas]

Venn diagram?

[cunning hazel]

Yes that-

[high bison]

I wish more stuff from the concept art made it into the final game

[high bison]

LOOK AT IT

[high bison]

OMG

[high bison]

AAAAAHHH

I know graphics are a problem bc of the platform but

squeals

[torn reef]

Since krills official name is dark dragon and they're corrupted were they just dragons before

[high bison]

DRAGONS

DAMN YOU LOW POLYGONS!!!!!

[torn reef]

What if the krill aren't living creatures and are machines? They certainly have very metallic sounds and their appearance seems a bit like it's built from something especially with the little pieces that look like knives

[naive sequoia]

Okay okay but what if Mekh was the faction who "lost".

Let me explain.

It's well known at this point that there were two known factions in Valley. The red and blue teams.

[high bison]

They don’t look very robotic tho…

[naive sequoia]

I'm running off of this theory that the blue team (the ground race) sticked to tradition and red (the flying race) opted for a more "progressive" take

[high bison]

Team Fortress 2

[torn reef]

Well they could be a blend

To me at least their movements seem a bit robotic though at least the constant snapping of the pieces

[high bison]

Yeah they’re definitely made of darkstone, which is at least partly artificial as it powers the ancient technology, but I don’t think they’re robots, at least in the traditional sense

[naive sequoia]

I feel like they're the shriveled, soul-sucked version of the light creatures seen at the Switch ad

Hence why it's confirmed they're corrupte

[torn reef]

Yeah perhaps them tampering with them is what corrupted them?

Perhaps the people of the kingdom tried to play god too much and got punished by their creations

[naive sequoia]

Yep. Something like that.

[high bison]

Or whales
A lot of people seem to think they look similar

[torn reef]

Basically they were experimenting on the creatures and the creatures lashed out on them

[naive sequoia]

But they seem more compatible with the ones in the ad for me. Though I wish TGC would give us more Krill variants. I would LOVE that.

[pastel brook]

[torn reef]

My guess is that the people just got in way over their head with trying to make new technologies and such

[high bison]

They’re two different sports
Both “teams” would have participated in both

[high bison]

Un-corrupted krill when TGC?

[torn reef]

Perhaps the reason vault is right next to wasteland is because they used vault to study the creatures and wasteland as a testing ground

[naive sequoia]

I thought they were like, two types of the same sport. Which is racing.

[high bison]

There are many different “racing” sports

[torn reef]

Flight suit courses and ski/snowboard courses

Very different spotts

[high bison]

I feel like the wasteland+vault and Eden was like the “capital” of the kingdom, and the vault was like the library of Alexandria

[astral sequoia]

YUMMY BLUE STONE

[torn reef]

I'm guessing eden was the capital before it got destroyed

[naive sequoia]

My hc is that the light extraction thingy they do cause the ooze, but since they discovered that light creatures can be milked they extracted them too. Except now they got alive wastes to deal with

[torn reef]

Maybe they were taking the light from the creatures to power their artificial stars?

[astral sequoia]

I think someone said vault being inside the eden mountain
like a large elevator

[naive sequoia]

True. Valley always seemed like when the civilization was at it's peak. They even use fragments of light for playing.

[torn reef]

I just thought of something- isle:before the kingdom was made/first settlements prairie:starting to become more of a kingdom
Forest:expansion
Valley:peace and prosperity
Wasteland:war
Vault: desperately trying to save their kingdom
Eden:fall of the kingdom

[naive sequoia]

I've seen someone interpret it that way as well

[torn reef]

It kinda makes sense

Only ones I'm a little confused on are forest and vault the others seem spot on

[naive sequoia]

Also where do you guys get the concept art? 👉👈

[torn reef]

I'm guessing tgcs twitter if they have one?

Also in their livestreams

[naive sequoia]

I've read that Forest was where they get "resources". Whatever those are

[torn reef]

They might've mined the dark stone at forest there is at least one spirit there called a miner

[raw moth]

Here’s how I interpret darkness: It’s a bit like lead. It’s useful, but it’s harmful to living organisms. It’s not inherently good or evil, it just is.

Posted because someone wouldn’t stop complaining about the statement saying krills are corrupted some time ago, and I see nothing wrong with a simple “dark bad”

[naive sequoia]

Oh yeaaahhh the spirit and the tons of holes all over the realm too

[torn reef]

Once you get some parts everything feels like it just clicks together but then you get stuck on one detail

[naive sequoia]

Yeah, I don't think darkness is bad. After all light is only interpreted as good because we benefit much more from it but even the light can blind

[willow shoal]

[naive sequoia]

Which is why I WANT DARK SKY KIDS TGC

[raw moth]

Don't want to start drama here, but yeah. Just don't want "dark bad" to be reduced to inherently worse than balance.

[willow shoal]

let me share my thoughts
vault: store the ancients’ memories

[torn reef]

So the rundown I'm thinking of is that these people found this new land and immediately started expanding but once they found the dark stone in forest they mined it so much the forest couldn't recover then they used it on the creatures and to make tools not knowing the effects they eventually couldn't come to an agreement on using it so a war broke out and their kingdom fell

Basic idea

I'm guessing some of them saw how it hurt the creatures and tried to stop from using it but others wouldn't listen

[naive sequoia]

There are floating theories that gw elder was sick of the King's dumpsterfire which is why a war broke out in gw (Battlefield) you know the two shield signs or something?

[torn reef]

I don't know the shield signs but I've seen talk about them

[naive sequoia]

There are two symbols: Diamonds and Suns

[torn reef]

Suns are probably the ones who saw it hurting the creatures and diamond is the authority or government

[naive sequoia]

Yep that's what I was running on too since I've read people speculate that the symbol of Light that you see when you honk is like the King or anything diamond related

[willow shoal]

I think diamond is the source of power

Every ancients wore diamonds

[torn reef]

So in a way are we the bad guy? We light up the artificial stars

[willow shoal]

Actually no

“WE” are the kids spreading light and saving souls

from previous darkness

[torn reef]

I think if there were a spectrum the skykids would be neutral

[pastel brook]

Grown-ups love numbers... When you tell them you've made a new friend they never ask you any questions about essential matters. They never say to you ”What does their honk sound like? What games do they love best? Do they play with butterflies?” Instead they demand ”How old are they? How tall are they? How many candles do they make?” Only from these numbers do they think they have learned anything about them

[torn reef]

Skybot-

[naive sequoia]

Yep. We're like the apocalypse mechanic megabird sent and went "hey can you fix this thanks"

[torn reef]

"yeah could you just fix this place up for me thanks guys appreciate it"

So to boil everything down really simply they abused their natural resources and wildlife to profit their kingdom and it all backfired

[naive sequoia]

Just dumping skids hoping corruption just dies out by the power of friendship

[torn reef]

The power of friendship is the strongest magic

[naive sequoia]

That's the main thing I took from the game but I'm sure there are more nuances we haven't been told yet

[torn reef]

Well it's also all to our interpretation tgc isn't gonna give us a huge lore dump they're gonna be vague

[naive sequoia]

I'm stil hunting for lore crumbs

I'm boutta backread the hell out of this discussion

[torn reef]

Lore speculation is really fun

[naive sequoia]

yess it is

It's fun reading that bit with megacacaw is a candle scamming mlm business

[torn reef]

Well my phone's gonna die soon but I'd love to speculate more later

[raw moth]

If darkness is in the form of darkstone, how does dark water work? Does darkstone dissolve in water?

[willow shoal]

dark water is from factories producing diamonds

You can see the huge pipes transporting it in gw

[raw moth]

What about the Forest rain then

Darkstone particles in the air?

[willow shoal]

Maybe

forest and gw are realms badly damaged by darkness

[raw moth]

Theory on the origin of dark water: Power diamonds are chipped out of darkstone. The unwanted pieces are deposited in water, which melts them. The dark water is then discharged out of the factory.

[high bison]

We are creatures of light and darkness
Hybrids

[willow shoal]

Another theory explains why the water in forest temple isn’t harmful while the upper swamp’s water in gw is harmful ( those two locations have same uses) :
The war caused the pollution of water

[frozen pivot]

confirmed: u can infact ride the whales

[high bison]

I think the little prince was wondering if you could tame the whales

I have a major question
Did the ancestors come from the sky or the surface?

[willow shoal]

The surface refers to what?

the earth?

[high bison]

Yea

[willow shoal]

well, I think they’re from sky, just like us skykids

[high bison]

Like the isle of dawn
The cave pantings support it
And the stars fell down

[willow shoal]

yeah

[high bison]

Skids are hybrids of light and dark/earthly energy

[willow shoal]

yes, skykids are neutral

[high bison]

Light energy comes from fire and stars
The diamonds house earth energy
We see on the door to the forest temple, when it opens we see to yellow diamonds representing light energy
And two blue diamonds representing earth energy

[willow shoal]

I think the diamonds house the light energy, but their essence are darkness

[frozen pivot]

ancestors are the original inhabitants of sky

they arent from above

[willow shoal]

Diamonds gave ancients the abilities to fly, that’s what darkness can’t work

[high bison]

They meet in the middle, symbolising that light and earth energy combined is what makes the technology possible, and propelled the ancestor’s civilisation into the clouds.

But this combined energy is highly volatile. Darkness is the result of the combined energy becoming unstable. It assimilates everything it touches, spreading like rot.

[frozen pivot]

darkness is natural tho, there always was darkness

[high bison]

Yeah, but the technology ended up creating too much, and the world was thrown off balance

[willow shoal]

nope, the dark stone (source of darkness) created the technology, not the technology created darkness

[frozen pivot]

i think its not created by anything, assuming ur not talking about the material residue the factory makes as byproducts

darkness existed as light did, theyve been symbiotic ever since

[willow shoal]

Ancestors' overuse of diamonds led to the spread of darkness

[frozen pivot]

and the way u phrased darkness, i dont think it has that much power relative to light, if that were the case then darkness couldve devoured all light easily. i believe it can only corrupt, not destroy. figuratively the darkness was the cause so theres that

[high bison]

If dark energy powered the technology, why do we activate it by using our candles?

[willow shoal]

Because the technology is powered by light power

The diamond = dark stone + light source from creatures

Its essence is dark energy, but it can react to light.

[high bison]

Yeah I guess
Like how someone with the power to control electromagnetic energy could influence nuclear energy

[willow shoal]

We all know the core of ancient technology is diamond, and it was produced from the machine in forest temple. However. we don’t know what happened exactly after the overuse of technology, according to the storyline, the war broke out, the king was trapped in eden and got corrupted.

So I made a guessing: where there’s technology, there’s darkness

the tech doesn’t exist in isle so there’s no dark plant

[high bison]

The diamonds are darkstone, as seen in this concept art
It’s diamonds (darkness) and flame (light) combined that enables the technology

We see the refined, controlled darkstone, and then dark stone that’s broke free of control and reverted to a more chaotic state

[high bison]

But there is the tech in the isle
In the side temple

[raw moth]

Now, about dark plants: Do they grow from darkstone or do they absorb darkstone

[high bison]

They’re a corrupted organism, like a krill

Only it’s a plant instead of an animal

[raw moth]

Do we have a source for this

[high bison]

On the subject of darkstone and flame, Sky kids are hybrid creatures of light and dark
We have souls, like ancestor souls which are neither light nor dark

(you can see it on the constellation table. When you select a friend or a spirit, you see their soul as a blue orb descend, and their body materialises around it. The only difference is when you select an ascended spirit (a spirit you’ve bought a wing buff from) their body and soul are gold instead of blue)

In addition to a soul, Sky kids also have flame, and our light cape. But our bodies are made of earth diamond. Not corrupted, jagged darkstone, but natural, stable darkstone

[high bison]

That’s just my guess

[high bison]

They would have absorbed the darkstone
The corruptive darkstone would be the ones that were mined and processed, so they wouldn’t have grown out of it, they would have been corrupted by it.

[willow shoal]

I don’t think skykids are made of diamonds

The canon lore said that the cape is made of PURE LIGHT, if so, why our bodies don’t positively absorb the light power of capes?

[thin dirge]

I dont think thats actual canon lore?

I thought that was just Ash's headcanon?

[high bison]

Bc we already have our inner flame

[raw moth]

I have a theory that darkness plants may actually be a good thing. They may actually absorb the darkstone, and maybe process it into an easily meltable form? Sort of like how some plants can absorb heavy metals.

[high bison]

That’s actually a good idea, but I’m not sure about it

[raw moth]

No worries, just having fun with theorising about darkness

[graceful oasis]

Sky children as neutral beings, It can work by how are object structure seemed to be mostly black and how light pars seemed to be kept or reflected on by how the light can gain away when nearby and in dark objects and that the dark plants seem be a result of appearing out of some impurity around….

[dawn rover]

man I am LOVING this lore

[frozen pivot]

these structures arent whale's, theyre mantas

[hushed steeple]

And he confirmed the Bells are made for the light creatures and completely overlooked they where prolly made by adult spirits

[harsh lion]

How is a sky child made.

[solemn bison]

Hi lore people, do we know what do the kids' faces look like behind the mask? Are they just light? Or is the light that comes out of the mask from their eyes only?

Idk if there's any canon lore/hints about that specific thing

[tacit lake]

We have the maskless mask thing, I don't have a picture, so I just got one off of Google.

[solemn bison]

Uhm but wouldn't that still be a mask?

[jade plank]

Hi, is there an official name for the sky children species?

[tacit lake]

I mean, it counts as a cosmetic, but it's not really a mask I don't think? If you somehow manage to look under their masks, it is like that.

[jade plank]

I think it's also how sky children look when they lose their flame and their cosmetics like hair etc dissapear.

[hushed steeple]

I think the icon for that is a segmented out line of a mask, meaning, lack of mask.

Skykids are just called skykids. Some call them descendants since they are like a hybrid of all inhabitants before them. I consider them to be more of a generation than a species.

[solemn bison]

So where does the light you see from the other masks come from, then? 😳

[shadow crag]

im pretty sure its from when they open their eyes, as shown in the chibi mask in certain emotes

without a mask they are closed shut

[hushed steeple]

They don’t want to blind people with their eyeball headlights

[solemn bison]

As a blind person, incorporated headlights would be useful XD

[modern cedar]

you'll realize that if you extinguish your light (like getting hit by a krill) you have the same eyes as the maskless cosmetic, it is indeed how skykids naturally look

i always wonder where the forehead light comes from tbh, it's visible in concept art but not ingame or on the faceless mask

i also love that masks can come in different colors (the black ones from Assembly, the gray ones from Lightseekers)

[hushed steeple]

i realized just now i dropped this in a middle of a big discussion but yeah XD

[modern cedar]

((the concept art in question, for the forehead thing))

yeah, judging from Season of Dreams it seems the skater girl actually inherited her cape from her mother
perhaps capes are passed down to new generations and that's why some older spirits are capeless? perhaps the ones that still have capes didnt have any children of their own, or their children were still too young to inherit the capes

[hushed steeple]

its cool to think our sky kids could actually grow up then

[modern cedar]

You can also see a young Ushering Stargazer in the memories of Pointing Candlemaker, implying that he was in fact her father! there's also an older woman who i assume is her mother but I dont know who that one is yet.

I actually discovered this while taking notes on each of the memories (i only have isle done so far) for lore purposes.

[hushed steeple]

[modern cedar]

You can also see Rejecting Voyager in the memories of both Ushering Stargazer, and the seasonal spirit Piggyback Lightseeker

it's so cool to know that they thought of having the characters interact with eachother in a visual manner its just so cool lorewise to know they all know eachother

Ushering Stargazer's memory also contains the exact instant of a new starkid being born (you can see them fall from the sky and lying in the sand!)

[hushed steeple]

you're right!

[modern cedar]

hold up let me grab the link of this google doc i sas writing in, i have a few personal observations/theories in it too

I should totally head over to prarie and continue working on this ater i do my daily candle run (gimme boogie pants. pls,,,,,)

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rHr59uXrMlPPKksTYrVjP9NaofVksSLnV8gP1rmg_u4/edit?usp=sharing this bad boi

[hushed steeple]

ty for sharing! :D

[modern cedar]

oh snap i gotta do the prochecy cave spirits too

[hushed steeple]

i believe sassy spirit with weasel is from gratitude ! if you are wondering :D

and boogie is from assembly :3

[modern cedar]

i thought boogie was from belonging

[solemn bison]

Oh yeah where does that come from?
I think it may be some kind of power focal point? Like how the concept of the third eye may be
But why is it not in the maskless one? Maybe it represents a state where the skykids' powers are inactive?

[hushed steeple]

YEAH KDSK i always get those mixed up for some reason XD

[modern cedar]

i do have the season in the notes next to each spirits name (well, for seasonals at least)

i might also have a seasonal section that contains each season's spirits too since they're very likely connected

you can also see two versions of Rejecting Voyager, i believe, one with and one without his little headpiece. idk if this is actually 2 separate spirits, but they both seem to have the pot on the back. there may also be a version of him without the pot, just the headpiece

[hushed steeple]

@night dome

[orchid jolt]

Its actually not in all masks either. Some masks that dont have it have something to represent it, like in the ox and weasel mask and the belonging masks, but i others just dont have it at all, the assembly masks for instance.

[orchid jolt]

You were correct, boogie is from belonging

[orchid jolt]

Boogie is from belonging.

Edit: i see you corrected yourself already, sorry.

Apparently, there are two of these at the second section of flying trial, that are past a wind barrier.