#lore-discussion-spoilers
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XD
Orbit is risky because like somethings aren't actually to be take literally?
Ok
At a certain time
POV, I'm skykid
If eden is named after the garden of eden does that mean we can draw bible parallels between the lore of sky
Its a certain time period (season of dreams)
WOWZA LOOK AT THAT
NEW AREA
Now explain
HOW
i sure hope it's that Garden of Eden because they also have the Vault mural that tells as much
You can but it's not really... Advised per se

I mean yeah but the Garden part isn't what makes it Eden
The fact that it was meant to be a paradise was
I put all my bad English into that scenario
A paradise- as well as ground zero for the Original Sin
The sin of shoving kids into diamonds and blowing up your kingdom
WAIT WHAT IS THAT ORB
MAJSJJS
This right here is what leads me to believe it was indeed based off of the Garden of Eden tale
symbolically that orb is the proverbial 'forbidden fruit'
Kids souls
You know that thing where Eve eats the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge
Yes continue
Hmmm ok
nah that's just it for me- I'm just as stumped as you guys are as to what that could be
So-
In a non-symbolic sense at least
It could be a diamond
Or an element orb
Basing it off the Eden story it'd be safe to assume it has something to do with the fall
Not the fall fall
Just the beginning of the end rather than the actual end
at least that's how I see it-
My 2 Asian Canadian braincells
What-
I barely know lore
And English words being repeated makes me more confused
Elaborate
But verbose
But a summary
Ah sorry- when I say beginning of the end, I mean it could be something that triggered a chain of events that would lead to the Kingdom being destroyed
It's not the same as saying that the orb is the actual cause, more like... It's the snowball that turned into an avalanche
The power diamonds are the fruit
Yep- smthn like that
And Adam is the king
oop wait wrong reply
Hmmm
Domino effect is what I meant to reply to XD
XKSKCKSKXK
Wait no that's not what I meant
Everyone is kings pog champ
Ok anyways the diamond explosion is them getting banned from the garden of eden
These small silver flakes could be a bug. But i was thinking what if it was dark stone ore particles

I've... Never seen that
To me it seems too pixelated to fit in as a not-bug
Skykids are jesus
Hèà hΖΓ¨
Megan
wait who are we talking about? 
Xf
MAI FROM SEISHUN BUTA YARAO BUNNY GIRL SENPAI ANIME MOVJE?
.... YEAH
YEAH I GET IT, MEGAN BAD. ONLY MEGABIRD.
wait who are we talking about? 
Oh
basically they're the concept god of the game
I didn't see
Basil???? 
Btw king's story is the most open ended there might not be enough clues in game to understand what happened 
I'll re-watch
Yes im alive
Back to lore
That's what we're here for- guessing until smthn finally sticks with a new update XD
Yep
It wouldn't hurt to type these out in full sentences
(Just to honk at each other excessively)
seraph pspspsps

Power of no slowmode
^
We can't test our luck here with that XD
Seraph believes in the theory that we are part of the king like when king died he divided into a million part and those parts fell on earth as skids
I have two possibilities of what skid is :
- Skid are created by megabirb after the kingdom fell, to bring the stars back
- Skid are created by sky people, in case if their kingdom fell someday in the future skid can revive those who got stuck on sky world and bring them back to stars (like a backup plan)
Realms 
aight time for me to commit class cya'll-
Hmmmmmmmm and then megabirb give souls to those fragments to create us
Have fun loring XD
Good luck viri
Floshie that t2o is hurting my brain
I just tried to read it like 5 times before realizing it's two
Im sorry lmao i didnt even realize that-

IF THIS IS THE SOLAR SYSTEM WE ARE TALKING ABOUT
Where's the other planets

Would they be affected by orbit

WHERE IS THIS HAPPENING

We see other planets in the credits and they all are part of megabird so-
They might be having there own life cycle
Hey π im back
Wait
I know I know the answer
But
The explosion/bad bad chaos
Would it have affected said planets
Oh also what about the shy monster
Yknow
Fish looking thing
In sunny forest
And I think on the way to orbit
Yes
I mean
That would make a little more sense
The shy monster hides bc shy
(ππ)
And
Its species slowly dies out
Does anyone know what purpose does the abandoned place in butterfly cave in hidden Forrest it was created
Hmmm
In underground forest?
Yeah
I'll have to look into that
Tis empty but that goes for Underground Cavern as a whole I think
An abandoned mine system of some kind
But it IS weird that the place with the butterflies isn't more developed considering it's next to an entrance/exit
W-wait-
Your pfp-
Could it be...?
*O m o r i F l a s h b a c k s 
Are Sky and Journey connected?
Sky is considered Journey's spiritual successor, which can be interpreted as you will
but TGC has not officially linked the two together
Their name is literally Basil my mate 
Maybe Journey is a sort of Mythos in the Sky universe
Wait wait
You know that one 2 player door at Vault with the symbolck on the blocks and stuff
Lemme tell yall soemthing. In the credit scene, we can see another planet that got color pallete of journey
Oh i always use chibi fall on that one but carry on 
YALL I THINK THERES SOMETHING SIMILAR WITH JOURNEY AND SKY
Ok yeah theres alot but here
The one area in vault
The 2 player door to the right when you get there
THE SYMBOLS
The purple light area you can see in these symbols on the walls
Lemme take a screenshot of it real quick
I take it back
Nope
I mean,,,, very close- 
But im gonna assume that Journey is basically a mythos in the world of Sky
Since the both look similar
the runes look very similar
on closer inspection, you can see that the runes in journey have 4 quadrants, and all lines must be horizontal or vertical
whereas in sky, they can be diagonal as well, and they don't have to be split into 4 squares
So where is the location of the ts?
there are a few reused letters
graveyard
It is the crab walk
Ah crab π
maybe you should have asked in #questions-and-help
I've been waiting tthe whole day
wat
i don't know if i should fall for it
so i'm gonna check
dont fall for it
It's a trap
Hope they will fix it soon
If they said they delayed the respect spirit I'll literally die
What happened to the duck?????
its a miracle for me
Hi lore guys can you guys help me with find thing with tgc says no nationality and equal thingy about?
Gnonim, streamings, or google doc, anything will be ok!
Something something like this will be okey! Anything related to he equal will be glad!
Hmm chat broke
Place dm me if you found anything related about it!
/there was an article stating who sky kids are designed
/interview with jenova chen?? i dont remember
Interview with jenova chan has it too?
Oh i never khow that! Gotta check! Thx!
First one is the pic the yui tananbes words! Tysm!
I love crab dance

It's sad... ||that someone can misread the meaning of these cosmetics and this game culture..... Even make it like they wanna make it like a demonstration to reject the idea of sky||
So these two have the same outfit when it comes to pants is that sus or no (these two are the only ones with this type of body I think)
**sus
My headcannon is that they both bought pants from the same store one late summer's afternoon in the year of our birb, 245 
After meeting for the first time they would grow closer together until eventually they started dating! Sadly however, they would end up splitting up after a heated argument...
birbs together strong
WEBEBJDKERND WHY DON'T YOU HAVE AN ICON!??!? @gray timber
WHAT SORCERY IS THIS!?!?
iconless mask

it's only 9999999 hearts

Theory: I believe the spears in sky were versatile in that they could be used as melee stabbing weapons or ranged projectile weapons. The golden wasteland elder is the only Elder to shoot this type of energy projectile from his item. It may have a limited number of firing rounds and needs to be charged by light in order for it to be used as a projectile weapon as the Elder canβt shoot it until after it is given light and then the handle or stick part of the weapon is charged with light.
Please vote
if you believe it was also used as a projectile weapon or
if you believe it was only used as a melee and throwing spear.
Melee only
It could be used as both depending on situations but all of the shields and spears suggest that those were used as projectile.
H e h
I appreciate your analysis. To my eyes, the weapon in that animation looks like a huge pole arm meant for melee only. But I am no expert!
Before and after 
So all that's left is to find a captured jelly-
Speaking of spears...
The Wasteland elder had a spear and Sun shield right?
So I assumed the opposing side had the swords, and of course the diamond shield.
But why would we see a sun shield destroyed by a spear?
Does this mean both sides used the same weapons?
Or does this mean there were traitors (0.o)
Jkjk
there was definitely a diamond spear. but were there any sun spears?
The wasteland elder had a spear, and a sun shield so-
Idk-
They look stacked against a wall as an armory section or as ceremonial ornaments maybe?
Well how about the thinking spirit theu have the same body with dancing performer
Also the pants of winger pianist is same as QG
I have come to the conclusion that there was no difference between weapons βοΈ or shields π‘
I only think this way because a spear is thrown into a sun/star shield and the golden wasteland Elder has both. Which could mean several things:
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there were either traitors if diamonds and star shields represent two opposing sides.
-
the civilization has a civil war and both sides originally using both emblems and weapons had a battle without changing visual queues as far as the weapons and shields goes.
-
there were two factions split by diamond and star shields π‘ but a diamond soldier somehow got hold of the enemies spear and used it against the star soldier
O h h
I tend to use the occumβs razor method of approaching things.
The idea that has the least amount of assumptions is most likely the true answer to me
It is less of a leap of logic that spears attacked Star shields and the elder wields both, so there was no difference between the weapons and shields π‘ other than a Spartans phalanx method of fighting verses their sword and diamond shield grunt infantry.....than it is to assume infiltration, subterfuge and or betrayal of two different factions.
Also the fact that the golden wasteland Elder has a star shield is very telling that there was no difference as he was a loyal subject of the king and built the wasteland fortress for the king. So having the star shield would mean the star shield represents the king and the diamonds donβt. But....
The diamond also represents the power source that was used and abused by the king to cause the war with the creatures in the first place
Manta juicer and all
Again this is only my line of logic
Ah....
cultural dissonance.
Long story short people can't agree on if the dancing performer's hat is Korean or Chinese
And it's exploded
To be fair a similar thing could be said about the pipa/maybe-not-a-pipa
As a korean myself uh, yikes
Yeah sadly I don't know enough about either culture to make an educated guess
This happened in a different game before so;;
Ah....
Hence why twitter is a lot more sensitive this time
Yeah-
sigh I've never seen something so heated before in this server
Same.
Except for when the mods suggested we stop using Fandom terms in lore chat and stop enforcing canon-
But that's besides the point.
In the other game, the company basically did the same thing and claimed a hanbok outfit actually was chinese
And then uh, chaos ensued
Yikes.
So I can see why k-netizens are more angry this time
Man, that's rough
Yeah, China and SK got pretty bad tension between them which kinda sucks.
I actually came back to the chat today after about a week or so?
And then I realized that general chat was locked
so was kinda confused but when i realized it involved koreans it kinda made me feel a bit er
sad-ish
Ah....
.... I'd rather not discuss it here, honestly, but I feel sorry for you guys, that this is an issue
Yeahh....
Do share your thoughts and feelings in #live-feedback , but given the very real potential for arguments and bad feeling, we really need to try and keep this topic off the server for the time being. 
^^
Mhm.... Yeah
It's an important discussion to have civally, but this isn't a place for such
dust needs to settle, thoughts collected and organised, before a calm and effective discussion can be had.
Mhm....
woooooowee I came back to quite a show, how's everyone doin today
Also, I've just realise this is lore channel, and not the place regardless. lets do our best to stick to appropriate channels for any and all discussions that need to take place.
I want to use the canon hammer emoji but i don't have nitro for that other server
Maybe we should speak about lore again.
yay
yes lore
mhm lore
Thought it might contribute to lore.
I found this thing near wax when I was candle running.
The timing of the messages
a clock for the rainbow
what's more believable
even was dug around the diamond
or
eden is in a volcano caldera
Maybe a grave for someone? Or something DUN DUN DUN
Ooo! Cool.
Pfff
Maybe a clock??
It's a clock for a rainbow
Apparently when the dots line up a rainbow shows up or something
I haven't seen it myself, sadly
Ooo really??? That sounds cool!
yes! every 5am/pm pst, a rainbow appears in the area 
Wow
Also, another thing. When you click a friend they just, jump from the sky looking like stars.
Then you see what their sky-kid looks like.
Yeee
Hehe
I think we're all stars
.... Though... Are we the only creature to return to the stars whenever we please?
Cuz we can die and go to orbit, and when we boot up the game our sky child sorta just appears from a holy beam
What about the mantas? What are their purpose besides taking us to our destinations?
There used to be a quest in old beta to rescue mantas that were locked in cage type thing ... there is another clock still in the level somewhere on the temple walls that used to tell you when the mantas were there for saving.
Ooo that sounds interesting!
technically you still need to rescue mantas in current sky 
the purpose of the temple and the contraption inside was to extract the light from mantas or other light creatures in order to manufacture the power diamonds. It is very interesting to note that we as sky kids are instructed to rescue the mantas.
A bit of rambling here, I apologize
What if krills were the evolved version of crabs? Think about it, crabs damage light but not strong enough like the krills.
Like.... We're trying to keep peace (which goes against the war in Wasteland), free butterflies (which were harvested I guess), and trying to help save everyone, even at the cost of us....
My question to that would be how would the crab krills get the ability to fly and grow so much XD
Metamorphosis??? π
if the concept arts were anything to go by, there was a battle between the spirits and the light creatures in the lead up to eden explosion. when eden ultimately exploded it flung corruption out and any living light creatures within close enough reach (but not so close they just died) were transformed in a way. big manta or light creature elders became krill, small ones became crab
Woah
You know what? That all made sense until I typed it. But... what happened to spirits? Were they not affected by the corruption that transformed the light creatures? I see holes in that theory. 
What if it infected them like a plague and they all died?
I mean we see light too
Are*
See you! Good luck!!
But all those spirits and Elders died an unnatural death, no? Since we donβt see them reincarnating and stuck in limbo.
I read somewhere in canon lore or theory that all creatures reincarnate no matter what, unless they were killed I guess?
Besides when we die we become statues. So maybe they too got petrified and, with time, became dust
What is lore
The in-world history and backstory

Pspspsppsps i think they did get reincarnated, but not to come back as a being on sky kingdom. Instead they reincarnated as star, literally come back to what they are before and become part of megabirb pspspspsp
umm
Statues imo
I believe i've seen it on the back of a cape or the back of a capeless moth before.
Hmmm its kinda liek the dot on our chest
I'm like 90% sure I've seen the exact same pattern on someone's back
GW elderβs cape
oh....
All elders got it on their chest I think
But only sky kids got a glowy point in the diamond
they do?
ya, but the shape is still a tiny bit different.....it doesn't have the curly line on the two sides
The <> are easier to see on Prairie
make note that the image you sent is a concept, so the exact imagery might not show up in-game
but i'm like 90% sure i've seen the exact same pattern somewhere
Its on some gates too I think

i dont think i should talk about this even tho im completely not sure tell me if i should delete it
I heard some ppl saying there well be another verison of sky but without light about eden and the eden king is this true? Tell me if i should delete it
cause im not sure
what? All there is is an old concept art for eden that had the king
dunno but saw alot of ppl talking about this
That symbol is everywhere, on capes, elders, and more but I donβt think it has been confirmed where it comes from
Oh finally the poems.
It really does seem like Forest elder feels guilty
Pffft βlet love and compassion deeply withinβ-YOINK! HAND OVER THAT LIGHT CHILD!
What's this difference between regular manta and ghost manta?
ghost manta is dead 

I have to come more to this channel
... I love the lore and hcs...
I DO NOT like the look of that krill AT ALL
Jesus it looks so much scarier than the ones in game
Golden Wasteland wow. Imagine what was there before it was built, when it was just Valley and then Vault
So long ago
The Golden Age
Hehe I think Wasteland was a nice area like Isle or Prairie, then it got very polluted and green, becoming a wasteland
Lmao seeker lores 
Are there any lores about the trapped manta's? 
It Represents the sky kingdom it can be seen adorning the elders outfits as well as some spirits outfits and in other locales
Related but not identical symbol on the ledge (not the door)
That is a very nice thought, it being like a more regal version of Isle at one time
Yall sky light awaits was... Something else
Apparently the elders helped bring everyone back to the sky??
And light falling was a normal thing??
I-
I wonder how much of that changed
what mods? There is only skybot
Huh
Light falling- probably an uncommon sight rn
We have falling lights depicted in the Ark Murals and the fact that the Lightseekers exist must imply that stray lights are something to be coveted
True!
Another thing is recovering spirit animals... Which I'm jealous of. That's dope.
I think the falling lights that you see in the cave paintings is/are the Sky Child(ren)... you fall at the beginning of the game onto the home platform, like some sort of comet, and maybe the elders are cherishing it
Maybe skids are saviors; ^^^
There must be a reason for the elders to cherish βthe falling star(s)β
Pfff
Light awaits isnβt really that different from what we have now, it was just unfinished lol
According to the murals light falling is a huge theme
So maybe I think the elders and spirits are the ones we see in the intro and now they fell and made new home after that skids fell those are the stars we see in the Isle cave mural
Ok wait a min
Well, Skykids are sent with a task (and eventually inherit the kingdom) so they are saviors in a way
Lemme fix my grammar
From the murals in Ark and Isle, the people of sky seem to pray to the stars, maybe for some sort of answer/solution for the growing darkness that was spreading across the lands to which was answered by Megabird sending down skykids
Yes
Iirc Skykids and Ancestors co-existed at one point
I can see that the ancestors of enchantment came to gw and try to fix it
I think like that too.. Maybe they're merchants from another land coming to sell their land repairing goods to Sky but then uhh
looks at the ark
I just realized both the ark and that shipwreck are both found in the same direction
Towards here is the ark
What are your thoughts on using Light Awaits as a reference to fill in some blanks of the sky mystery ?
Iβll give you this very example to explain what I mean by fill in some blanks.
You see at the very end of vault of knowledge we get a piece of ruble on the platform leading to Eden.
But only by looking at light awaits do we know that what is was before it was a pile of stones was a stone statue of the vault elder.
And using a mental map, you can see so is the shipwreck
Bringing back this
I think the stones there now are supposed to be the diamond that was powering the elevator

Oh cool
I don't rlly agree with using LA,, (tho it's up to you if u want !!) Since most of LA was just unfinished, it saw drastic changes in a short span of time, etc. It's just,, it's also so different from Sky today so uh 
What's LA?
looks at the dead kids that were supposed to be at the start of Isle
A h
How do you rationalize the child of light getting to the top of a broken elevator?
I donβt think itβs completely real
The ruined version?
Just vault in general
So i just realize that the secret room in last place at forest is from LA
It was a great room though :SkyCozy:
So do you think they went from the doors to vault straight to Eden ?
Like the way the vault is accessed I think is using a special technology
And once you reach the end it breaks completely
Like a portal ?
Meditation is a big thing in sky and I think vault is just one big meditation
Like even though the elders are dead and gone they can still interact with us and the world when we meditate
This is true
in the final version, it was crubled :0
But how do you rationalize the actual travel. Like at what point in wasteland is solid ruined buildings and from what part do we climb the mountain to Edenβs gate ?
Idk
a lot of things in sky donβt make much sense
Maybe vault is a literal tower
I mean we understand that meditation is what happens and thatβs us making sense of the trippy illusions
But what we see isnβt what it actually is
We do all agree that the sky child is on solid land in wasteland and then again at Edenβs gate
That they are getting hit in the face by real solid red rocks (ark remnants?) in the storm
We're going back to "vault is an illusion" theory 
I think itβs partly an illusion
Take the archives for example
The tunnel seems to come from seemingly nowhere
Ok so uh- I learned the hard way that Krill can go through walls-
Especially gates
But the space goes on forever
Not to mention when we first see one come out even though there was clearly solid ground underneath what was actually shallow water
Idk-
They arenβt entirely corporeal
i think the end of vault after the cutscene
we then realize that vault is an illusion
Oh we're talking abiut the vault?
I don't think illusion
Lemme say my thoughts later when ya'll are done
Just projections
also why would vault elder give the diamond to us just to lift it up?
Well the lanterns can emit light and store and emit memories.... what if the entire building is one giant lantern. Not the shape or purpose but the mechanics. Like it can emit the projections of what vault was/is ?
I think it's called the vault of knowledge because those "stones/books" that were stashed away on shelves were like time capsules or memories of other ancestors (kinda like stored versions of the memories we relive) and the vault is divided by realms also because it's a form of organization of where each spirit was from
Jkjk
Actually,, yeah..
Well we did see it in concept arts
Oh really?
CanIsee- 
Oki wait a min
Arigato-
I also have a theory that vault's floors tie-in to each realm and as that realm changes, the floor does too
Maybe GW's floor uses to be teeming with life
Hmmm
And Valley floor's buildings used to be one piece
Oh lol
I think the elevator is also supposed to be a projector
Brb class vsjsjwiosd
Oki byee
Can you show ?
the closest thing in the final version is the moving lamps in vault's secret area
Well in forest
Show me!! 
And the lamps that fly off the shelf and once lit light the diamond to show the constellation
The fact it's called a night memory might mean...

Itβs a βmemory cubeβ from βnight/vaults old titleβ
anyways why aren't there darkness plants in vault?
O o h h
My bad 
Why arenβt there darkness plants in Eden ?
maybe because vault is a big tower and the people there didnt like plants :D
Itβs most likely because thereβs no living creature there and darkness plants usually are where living creatures are sort of
Maybe because Vault is where skykids learn their fate before sacrificing themselves, that seems to be the last safe place before the storm ?
Somebody know what is this place?
come to think of it eden darkness plants were maybe swept away by the rocks,
for vault, since it would be illusion i think the place was really filled with darkness plants
The darkness didnt go in there yet
That's under valley temple
the oob for the beautiful colosseum
Yes, it's me XD but I cant reach it
Itβs in the middle of the cutscene at valley
aaaah okay okay thanks
bruh why can't u reach it??? people are able to get there even me xd
I don't know D: wen I go there there is a wind wall
Just go to an area near the slanted wall/ceiling there there shouldn't be a wind wall
Also this isn't a place to ask about oobs hhh
I am not
and having too much of it bad
Sorry I don't really know we're to ask and I had fear is this could be a spoiler
nope its not, this chat is for spoilers anyway [:
Ahhhh you mean lighting the dark stones
Any suggestions on what I should look for?
Uhm
why is it r a i n i n g
No worries !!! OOBs aren't rlly spoilers either
That's wind
Going down-
BAHAHHAHAHAHHAH
Those are drafts hh
Yups itβs wind
ik but i think there is a bug where it rains in gravyard
O o h h
What kind of bug
beta bug i think?
Ah itβs just
Oh then it's not for this channel hh
oh ok
I feel pretty bad just watching all these people get krilled for lore even though I'm supposed to be a guide-
Sad
I also realized that krills head butt us because there heads are solid not there bodies
Okay thanks

You mean their glowy orb thingy?
Btw what are these white stuff?
Eyeball headbut
E y e b a l l b u t
Lamo
Ah those are just strong wind in air trial
Because they were lifted with the aid of telekinesis
Actually why canβt we lift more than one item like what the Levitating Adept does in the cutscene? Or can we?
Because we donβt have enough dark stone in us
I completely forgot that skykids are canonically psychic
What if that how emote effects work too. Its psi sparkles.
βThe dark stones are a path to abilities many would consider ....unnaturalβ
Ooh where was that?
In Star Wars
O
But itβs the same premise
Dark side light side. Darkness and light
Telekinesis by dark stone and telekinesis through light
A once chosen one (prince) becomes a tall dark figure (the king)
Wait a sec
I checked the wasteland elder memory again
I-
You thought I was joking ?
So they have telekinesis
This was way before I read your reply tho-
Vsisbsibjsksisnsjsons
Big mama jama mother forest elder uses telekinesis like three or four times
A h
In concept art the βdark stones made them godlikeβ
They destroyed the king
Yeah, those are graves
Oh shoot-
I new it
Knew*
Jesus my english
But why are there graves in a racing area-
To honor previous racers?
Who knows how long the elders have ruled over the realms
Uyes
They do link to the lore especially prophecy
Some do
And some are linked
Lightseekers and Enchantment
By some I mean two
While some are just,, there
Sanctuary didn't really have anything to contribute, story wise
Eh
It was just nice
Even though I missed it
My friends say its their favorite
#cozy-sky-discussion message Golden Wasteland very short piece of writing that fits in here
Sanctuary was more prairie lore. About balance with all elements of nature and communion with the animals
sanctuary was "these kinds of mantas exist in sky world ok" and "yes we do have holidays"
crab that doesn't attack people as well
Fun times!

Also Sanctuary was like "Hey help us get mantas so we can breed and skin the adult mantas to make capes and clothing"
I hate Sanctuary guide


Just leave the mantas alone 
Idc go be naked 
Sanctuary has a nice sweet crab
I refuse to believe the nice sweet crab is not canon
where's the nice crab?
On one of the archipelagos on sanc isle
It's probably because they are exposed to sun but i could be wrong on that
Since the crab cave aka jelly gorl cave is exposed to sunlight
And the crabs still attack
I think those arenβt manta skin
TGC developers have confirmed the manta cape isn't literally made of any sky creature
/no animals were harmed in the making of sanctuary cosmetics
Nice
What are the clothes in sky made of?
They're fire resistant, can be used to heavy winds with no issue, and are also very stylish 
Uhm
some people think the capes are made of Light itself
especially since your cape appears after discovering your first winged light
That would have to be a really big butterfly for the cape lol
If it's any consolation, those were confiirmed faux manta

who knows, maybe mantas shed their skins as they grow bigger 
Good i was about to push sanc guide off a cliff
the specific quote from TGC developer Ktjn:
The capes are Sky creature friendly, made to resemble them, not made from them.
(<#general-sky-discussion message>)
If sky kids got light inside and the capes are also made from light. Maybe thats how they make them express? Because its blood light.
Ha it can fly XD

I never thought of that-
O
They mean by all cap are just made like normal cap
Not with animal skin
Imagine an artisan create an outfit and decide to make a design of an animal he like
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I think in some of the arts they call the little lantern dealies in vault memory cubes or something. For projecting memories.
Maybe the multimantas are memories of some wobbily seamonkey manta that existed at one point
They are manta ghost
But all lantern had tiny diamond
They need onky fire for to project the story and information or maybe map they made
Like a giant library
I was wondering what the ping was about- but while that's also true I actually meant to differentiate between THOSE lights and the lights of Lightseekers and Enchantment
I don't deny there's a connection though
This same mural from the beginning cave in Isle shows up in the Enchantment Ark, for starters
Might just be me but I find it difficult to see children falling- namely, sky children- frequently back in the time of the Ancestors
Not saying it's impossible- just that I find it weird that the lights of Lightseekers and Enchantment and the lights that we know fell were all the same
I never thought of the lightseeker light as being fallen. Hum. I thought the fallen stars pretty much consisted of only elders and spirits allll the way up until sky kids started falling.
Imo the sky kids are fallen lights- just not stars, or the kind of lights that the Lightseekers end up looking for
entertaining the thought for a minute though- I'd interpret it as the Lightseekers coming across some kind of sentient or at least powerful light- if they were lights in the same vein as the skids, it could be a skid without a vessel
The snag that this interpretation hits however- is if those really were skids, what were they doing there? Lightseekers looked like it took place in a time that was near enough the peak of the Kingdom, where there isn't anyone for the skids to save just yet
idk I always just thought that if skids were to exist- they'd exist for a purpose relating to Eden
I thought those were birds or some creatures of light π
I don't think they were? They look like stars
Far right of the one from Isle, you can see one of the stars falling
Thatβs what i thought at first too, but the elders were referred to as stars, so the little ones seemed to me more like birds or something
Here's two murals to help compare- Isle Elder who we know is related to birds
I guess I can see where the distinction came from with these
Yeah, so those look more like birds than stars xD
Thing is, there's 8. The same number of graves found in the prairie (where there's an elevator and you meet the ceremonial worshipper dude)
The ones in the ss above look more like smol mantas
That's what I'd think too if they weren't also plastered all over Bird's Nest
which I really need to take pics of
Look at the star here, it looks very different
Oh look, another symbol to add to the collection
It looks different yeah- but you can see it falling- which would lead me to believe that those smaller marks are also stars
Only depicted as being in the distance
Itβs kinda hard to judge what they are considering we donβt really get to see stars like that in the game apart from the murals ig
I remember once someone having a really long discussion about that specific symbol-
O o p
Question, are there murals of the other elders?/indication the ancestors really knew of them
There's Vault and the Prophecy murals
Other than those ones though Isle Elder is the only one who has extras all over Isle
how?
dear lord-
oh
Chibi eyes are weird in general, I think that's just a case of chibi mask being buggy and not really a lore thing
for me id just call it clipping
I would like to add this cursed thing to the topic πππ
Chibi are scary 
two textures interact each other creating that eyes
Sleep deprived skykid
Big eye bag
Imagine if there was a mode where we can turn our sky kidβs eyes βoffβ 
Sun symbol also kinda looks like the head of the lil dude in the middle of the opening and the stars the constellations revert into also in the opening.
Sky kids got headlight eyes. 100% agree.
E h e
Come to think of it
The trials involve all 4 elements-
PLOT TWIST: WE ARE THE AVATAR
Jkjk
LMAOOO
istg i was like oh yeah we were frozen for thousands of years and then woke up... now these trials... we are fa sho the avatar
lowkey thought this was the eden beam-
I could be wrong-
So apparently, these 4 points in every halo I know of could mean two things (as far as I know)
-The 4 elements
-(credits to Yuki) A compass. North east west and south
truth to be told a lot of people assume that's the Eden beam-
We don't know what exactly it is but there's not a lot of other thing that it could be
Hmm
Another thing is, this boi looks like he was gonna get a cape
The people below the wasteland elder looks like king clones-
It's 2:00 AM, I was thinking
the crystals? Will they have memories of the dead citizens in the sky?
No, those vault things
Oh nvm-
I forgot what they are called
Ohhh- the lanterns-
That are on the walls
at least we think they're lanterns-
I also thought the same thing. Someone gave a reply hol up lemme look
Here
Wooooow β¨
Hmm... so each elder had a corresponding element. Except for the Isle and vault.
Still doesn't explain why the isle elder wasn't on the eden door
Consider that Isle was the birthplace of the Prophecy I guess- at least I think Prophecy has something to do with it
Itβs the class of elder
Both isle and vault elders are teaching elders. Elders of knowledge
Every other elder is an elder that helped the people master an element
The twins teach them how to reaver the winds/air and forest elder the rain and water, and the prairie elder the land and the wasteland elder fire and fire and war
Oh heya Oz-
Hiya Viridi
I do agree with the Vault and Isle Elders being the teaching Elders actually- Vault could have been monitoring everything and Isle could have been the everyman who knows the Elements equally
I say that mostly because the Isle Elder is depicted as helping transport the Elements, as well as the Elements likely having been from Isle
and then everything changed, when the krills attacked
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About the topic of vault a while ago:
I think that the vault was once real. However, in its proximity to eden, the top gets completely blown off in the explosion. We can see in orbit in an OOB that the vault summit is there for some reason. We can also see that there is a brek on the 3rd floor of vault. So now the knowledge lanterns are the ones which make it seem like the vault is there.
^ I was thinking something lime that because after the cutscene ur in like a room with everything in ruins still... except now there is a portal to eden and a portal to home
like that*
so i just relaized the diamond that formed from the door cutscene will goes behind this mask
interesting
yessss
also that the door shows the dark stone being made from the trees
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where do you think the gold comes from tho?
i was about to ask this soon
so forest elder likes to eat darkstone
Forest mama is a savage
dead stars
Is there lore for the winged light children? They're just helpless versions of us, I guess. Descendants of the light trapped in Sky realm. Whereas we are fresh creations of Megabird, originating from Orbit.
Our job is to restore the cycle of light between Sky realm and orbit, which halted when the storm began
They are our counterparts originating from stagnant Sky realm light whereas we originate from a stagnant Megabird
"Are there 6 seats because there are six elders?"
The twins: 0.o
Then again they could just share the same seat-
Jkjk
Share? They fi g h t for it
A h
Also how bold of u to assume that one of them wouldn't just sit on the table
P f f t
Maybe the elders got tired of that so they just threw one chair completely
JEJEJJWJS
Oh btw
Altar number of white candles
Isle: 1
Prairie: 3
Forest: 3
Valley: 3
Wasteland: 3
Vault: 6
Ok so uh-
I'll leave the reasoning why up to you-
Their rank
Those 4 areas' elders are the ones in prophecy cave. They are of equal rank, (with the twins always in competition for who shows up to the table)
Oh oh speaking of elders
I think the reason why Isle and Vault have a light was because they have a different task
Poor Isle grandpa 
Oh?
While the other four were tasked to take care of the elements, Isle was tasked to shepherd something, the new generation? Us, skykids? And Vault was tasked to preserve the knowledge for whatever the Isle Elder was shepherding
Ferryman Elder oversees the light and entities returning from Orbit, and wasn't personally involved with the delivery of light up the mountain. The others all were.
Ferryman...Elder...?
Isle elder hh
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At some point, either when darkness began or the storm began, the cycle to and from Orbit ceased, and Ferryman had no job. He loses his identity, represented by his missing mask. Until we arrive much later.
We give him purpose, to ferry light from Orbit onward into the Sky kingdom
We ourselves are part of the light, and the winged light and candles we collect as well
Hmm
I would imagine that Eden was created concurrently with the more modern settings, Valley and Vault. Forest is older. Prairie is older still.
Wasteland is probably the newest but I'm sure it was prettier before it became ultra fortified
In terms of symbolism I wanted to add
1:
-Loneliness
-Unity
-Origin (kinda like Alef ig)
3:
-Beggining, Middle, End
-Heaven, Earth, Waters
-Body, Soul, Spirit
-Harmony, WISDOM(reminds me of trials), and understanding
6: (biblical)
-Imperfection
-Sin
-Humanity
*SEASON OF ENCHANTMENT INTENSIFIES 
Isle temple is super old and the butterfly temple in Isle is that age or older, and Isle caves including Prophecy are oldest areas of all
On second thought, Eden door looks old. Hmmm!
Maybe that door is very old, but the destroyed holy castle is newer?
Wow what is it from?
The name changed
The thing that catches my attention most is the shape of the falling star
Pointing pilgrim
No problem
almost. Like renmants of a supernova or just the rapid expansion as the stars burn out
sorry for giving anyone depression or anxiety
H u h
Wdym 
Is that child one of us? Is this a memory of the spirits finding a child, or were they alive when they found this child?
They were probably alive when it happened
Is it a winged light kid?
It's just that the look of the falling star reminds me of the prince/king
I feel like it is a winged lighy
Light*
Which are said to be fractions of the prince's light
i dunno i just kind of explained when the universe stops glowing
I wonder this too! Can you provide any additional info on winged light being fractions of the Prince's light?
Well if you've heard about the prince, the king is the corrupt version, i think. So essentially what happened is the Prince split himself into these children of light which give us, the player, the vessel, power to restore Eden.
This isn't canon but I heard it being spoken about here a longgg time ago
It makes a lot of sense
Reminds me of the "fragments of light" in the valley race. Then there's some main fire in the end
It makes sense, except that I would argue that the King made no willing sacrifice, but was rather destroyed against his will
No no, they are said to be the same but the king is corrupt, i believe the prince made that choice before becoming corrupt
Nowadays I just think of it as a game mechanic 
They look similar to memory fragments though
And once you have already collected them, they go grey, like a spirit
So apparently, they're called spirit gates 
They could be spirits who were destroyed in the blast of eden!!!
They are called spirit gates, yes
All thats left are fragments of memories, scattered by the explosion
These are interesting ideas. My own humble idea based partly on yours and partly on the Tom Zhao timeline is that the winged light kids we collect originate from the Prince, but we are something else, originated from a decision made in Orbit, not in the Sky kingdom
Though I belive that some spirits have fragments instead of memory scenes because they were animals (manta whisperer)
i dont see any evidence of boats
Ok so- The mined light/stones + the collected light stored in vases = power diamond?
I apologise for my ignorance
Mantas?
Idk if boats can fit through the speed gates
That is also something i have heard. We originated from the elders, who made us to restore the light to the stars.
so the spirits cant fly with clouds and winds?
They kind of fly in orbit but that is probably the only exception
or can they?
Im not sure
orbit has some beam which helps
the beam blasts you up
Anyone think this makes sense?


