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i'd take my own pics but I haven't completed the Fire Trial yet-
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Ah. So its with the idea prince was first sky kid. True true.
so credits to the owner of these pics qwq
it seems the castle was constructed while the skykid/prince was present - it wasnt there in the air trial mural but it was in the fire mural

In the 3rd pic it shows isle having water before
And loke sailing on a boat to prophecy cave
There are dead ancestors in the trials.
the power was in you all along, @compact olive
Right?
god i keep sending things out of order I apologize-
the world of sky has flying boats - those boats are flying, not sailing
There’s something very wrong with this.
The Star child is among ancestors in the murals. Ancestors are dead in the trials.
Lol sorry late reply but I was talking about the fingers
Yeah
elaborate
?
What happens when someone finishes the trials?
I thought they might be an old thing we only recently got access to?
They get a shiny boi
They might have been around before
They're told that they've honored the wisdoms
many theorise said that they become the leader or smthng
Why would regular ancestor children be trained to do the thing that only a Star child succeeds at?
Avatar ™
i have a theory about that, although admittedly its not based on much
Probably because they didn't know that
Prophecies are fickle and don't really say everything so for all the Prophets knew there was going to be A child but weren't told which
There are 8 dead figures in the murals.......and 8 students of the prophets.....
So they knew ancestor children wouldn’t cut the mustard. Not until they were given a fallen star child.
imo ancestors were trying to complete the trials in search of the true ruler of sky - thats what the prophecy was about. the one who completes all the trials is the true ruler of sky. megabird sent the child of light and, well, being a god the child succeeded and was crowned king of the sky kingdom
That’s dark on so many levels
Welcome 2 da lore chat
TIP OF THE ICEBERG
I mean- think about it as if you were a Prophet that was given foresight

Okay Bricky I agree with what you said.
I doubt they'd known that there was literally going to be a god figure that fell from the skies
One ring to rule them and all
I think they did
Uhhhh isle cave murals
ACTUALLY THEY FELL FROM ORBIT
Oh heck there are dead ppl i never realised because looking at the murals the swirls all blend together
key word was literally
Oop
I bad at seeing ok
it's ok
I can’t help but find the idea that they wanted a starchild to try the trial because they got all their students killed a little funny. Not the dead students part
Prophets: okay so obviously our own children didn't make the cut what do
Okay so a god child is brought down. To beat the trials and.... rule...
but... darkness was part of the trials...
Like ok, you have a turn im sure it'll be fine
Glowy Boi: allow me to introduce myself
Exactly
this is giving me ideas for Prophet Angst
yes, angst
the prophet's made the water the mantas the greenery and flames
~~i'll write a thing, you'll see
~~
if we follow that sky came after journey
Journey ≠ Sky
yes
journey and sky are in separate universes
and may I interject that Sky has nothing to do with Journey lore-wise
How do you do the highlight in yellow reply thing
oh yeah- darkness being part of the trials right Oz-

darkwoms
I think that goes to illustrate even more that darkness really was just a natural part of their world
Okay so the child of light is crowned ruler... and... vault is already made(to be made) and so is wasteland... so the prophecy was already written on the wall.
Dust bunnies
maybe the prophet tests were made during the darkness
Anyway- in the credits, there are more planets visible, or maybe they are moons
to maybe test the skykids
i wish i could stay, but tis dinner time 
It is in a mountain so vault is a perception of Eden?
I keep on remembering Neytirix Bunny Tutorial when you said that
Well it was believed that the prophecy cave have existed before the kingdom even existed
Mmkay bai Brick
But if it was made to test sky kids why did the ancestors send their children in to die?
Bye Brick, have a nice dinner I guess
Magbe they didn't know about it properly
I don't think they really even knew what the Prince was when he'd fallen and took the Trials
I don't think it was made just for the skids
well to save the darkness 🦀 📢
It being made for skids is odd considering nothing disastrous has happened
And skids were made specifically because a disaster struck
Our objective says that much
Maybe it wasn't made for them but they fit the bill fsr
Ye
Hehe yep
they test the sky kids ability to withstand the winds do parkour maybe test there weakness to darkness water and then test them with darkness itself
They fit the bill like several millenia later
But then why 🤔
Riddle me this though if they were made for the skids then exactly why would the Trials have existed since the very origin of the Kingdom where there was no need for skids
Prophecy? Predicting the need for them or something
But prophecies might not give all the info
yeah maybe i think that's what the guide is for
So they thought it was their children meant to do the trials
Observe the murals again- they ended showing us the Kingdom at its peak
good point
We fell well after the Kingdom fell
Hmmm

By "we" u mean our generation of skids??
Okay so let’s put a time line on this
Timelines lmao
Its probably not for skids considering by the time skids get there, all the elements have already been given away, and also, it specifically takes away their capes.
wait thats proof it was made for them
we are the avatar
I don't think so? The Ancestors were capeless, why wouldn't the Trials adjust for a skid so that it'd be fair
Ancestors evolve or are born or are made...
They come up with a prophecy and it’s chalk full of drawings of a civilization yet to be created
send their children to die against the darkness
Sky kid comes down. Aces the test
Sky kid Crowned ruler
And I doubt that the first skid that fell had a cape when he'd taken the Trials either
as i said the guide may predict the future
I don't think being able to have capes would be that mich of an advantage, at least not all the time
maybe they are the first sky kids
and may I interject once again that the guide shows us the Kingdom at its peak
So what does that mean
I think that would be plausible that its about events yet to come........if eden castle was broken on the mountain as it is now.

literal flight isn't a huge enough advantage for you?
So I need everyone to help me place when the elders came down to sky in that time line?
Air trial like “heres your reward! Flying! Bet you never felt that before!”
also its very interesting that they don't use diamond technology
- Ancestors evolve or are born or are made...
- They come up with a prophecy and it’s chalk full of drawings of a civilization yet to be created
- send their children to die against the darkness
- Sky kid comes down. Aces the test
- Sky kid Crowned rulers.
I mean not always, you can get slapped around y the wind, lost in the dark, etc
Actually nvm
Sorry fghksj
The only Trial that I can think of where flight wouldn't help you is in the Fire Trial. You can literally just cheese the other three with flying
Yeah fair
maybe they predicted the diamond technology to be corrupted???
Where in the Trials or the murals suggested that though Willow
idk come to think 
Can we get that mural pic again pls?
Mural shows everything
The very last mural show the diamond nice and safe, tucked in the mountain
After wasteland and hidden forest era
corpse plant theory
I've been summoned
diamond is nice and safe???
Yeah, it seems all good then
At that point.....I think it was.
The diamond is made of animal remains
Ut what happened after to mess it up?
They predicted the cruelty the elders would bring to their people
anyways the eden diamond was representing that the diamond technology caused them to appear???
Thanks
oop sorry i was a little late I'm still in class
The king corrupted it.......sommme how? Well for one a city sized castle was built on the mountain. Maybe they did experiments on it.
The Eden diamond doesn't seem to be present? idk that diamond looked like it was the one from the Vault Elevator more than anything
maybe we can put ark murals and cave murals together and compare
Maybe they used it too much if it was a power source
Diamond inside the mountain instead of hovering above it
as i we discussed the there was so much diamond technology that the kingdom got corrupted
yep- Vault Elevator diamond-
Vault has a castle on it?
Right the diamond tech
Vault's near that castle at least- somewhere below it
eye of eden is actually a fallen kingdom
Vault is a memory library
Isnt vault theorised to be a hallucination or something? Of the mountain
Notice the platform underneath it
oo elevator
NIGHT CITY
Hhhh and....the memory diamonds......and Vault sitting there right outside of it.......dang it
It really is vault isnt it?
maybe the main skid actually got so powered up by diamond technology that it ttracted the darkness
Ut there's only 4
Okay this may help
You know those arches that start showing up at near the end of Vault- I think that's an artistic rendering of it
This may help those who need to know how the Eden diamond ♦️ is situated
That does make sense ty
The castle still a lil confusing though. Guess I have converted into no longer believing its eden though
So then the thrones aren't there then?
What do you think it is then? I'm curious
anyways the castle was so big it almost reached orbit
Eden castle broken in atmosphere here —x
Eden storm and crystal ♦️ here -———-x
Vault elevator here —————————-x
The real ones probably aren't if Vault really is a projection- the shrines I mean
They show up near the end of Ascension too
I have eto go thanks for good discussion
The Vault is built for skykids
People think the Eden crystal is above Eden but it’s the opposite
It has castles like eden, it has a diamond like eden.....it has the presumed Eden elder above it.....it has memory cubes like vault.....it has a diamond like vault elevator.......it has Vault elder sitting outside of it. Hhhhhh
It’s in the belly of Eden and the castle was blown into the atmosphere
I need a model of eden
the belly of the beast if you will lmao
The eden shrine
I still think the diamond was supposed to be there
But it slid off lmaoooo
anyways they maybe farmed the crystals from eden before darkness when they were blue
What do you mean by “before darkness” ?
The blue stuff is old beta resource but it's a good lore material ig
like the era before the darkness
Did they really paint their stupid elevator on their prophecy mural.
also when they turned red that was it.
I’m still not following. The darkness existed in the prophecy trials which was way before any buildings had been built
I still can't understand the meaning of those two ancestors' memories
I don’t think it’s natural. At least not to the centralized point of view of the protagonists of this game (child of light, Meghan’s bird, the sky kids)
when they used too much of it the diamonds the darkness part of the diamond thats the manmade part
Candlemaker- fREAKING FINALLY WE KNOW WHERE THOSE F R E A K I N G CANDLES CAME FROM-
« the world of sky has a rich ecology of light and dark » implies that darkness is a natural part of the world just as light is
the ponytail girl is the skater girl
Bringing this bacc again
If they had candles, why they still produced diamonds???
Hehe I don’t understand Rejecting Voyager’s memories
in the pointing candlemaker
Darkness is natural, darkness finding and overpowering the sky kingdom might not be though
can't the candles spread light power?
Voyager: no you can't mine here this is a freaking temple
That’s what I mean kamilico
Diamonds aren't just for light you know-
Darkness is not natural if darkness corrupts light
yEE
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Not to the central characters who are all of light
the voyager is actually mining corpses i think?
They're made for a variety of things like levitating structures and opening gates and such
so what caused it?
Who’s main focus is to bring things back to light
H
and they find the mural
What caused what
the voyager rejected because he realized the elders betrayed them???
what
What caused darkness
Who’s the voyager ?
That spirit under the Isle Temple
Mhm
the Eden and isle Are sad stories while Vault is sweet and honorable
It started to overpower light, breaking the balance which the eden diamond is reliant on (my theory)
Wait,!!!!!!! I found a flaw in the lore !!!!
whelp- time to fill the hole I guess
if thats true then the darkness crystals caused it.
I think it was gradual, not like,, exponential????? Is that the word
Heres the flaw.... why is the ancestor with the boat headdress wearing a diamond ♦️ of power on his forehead BEFORE they ever found the prince/child of light?
Sorry someone mentioned Megan's bird? What might that be

Right ok
can't they have just wanted it as a decoration though
We lovingly call her Megan here
my theory is that they farmed crystals (when they were blue) and when the manmade part of the diamond started taking control?
I thought you were talking about something else for a sec
it turned red
I’m not sure if that’s a joke or a rebuttal
I think they're mainly decoration
Megan----a creation mode player
The diamonds represent their powersource
Or haven't been used for anything else as of yet
The ancestors knew, they felt it, the corruption. The manta juicing, disconnection from the Megabird, the diamond, I think the war was the last straw
That’s why boat headdresses have diamonds on it as boats use diamonds to fly
All the elders but twins have diamonds on their masks.
Plants were literally coming out of their bodies
So why don't the twins have them?
don't we have diamonds on our masks too?
Yes we come after though
I always thought the twins were somehow disconnected? I dunno
Most have them on their chests, if not all.
I saw somewhere that their masks has to be like that because they're uhh athletes?
Or damaged
We do, and on our chests.
Cause the one side being damaged etc
They are athletes, and just wear comfortable things. or maybe they where supposed to have a diamond headpeice but then ended up as 2
If any elders are disconnected, then it must be isle elder
actually wait a second I might disagree on the masks but the boats are sus
The diamonds I mean
Elaborate
What do u have against my boats 
I think the twins knew about the corruption on the diamonds so they weren't that effected because they didn't use diamond technology and only on dreams village...?
You mentioned earlier that you found it weird that they used boats that flew before the child of light fell
Yes
So..?
There are a few murals in Isle that look like they'd depicted the Prophets

BUT I can't be sure if they were drawn before or AFTER Prophecy
The child of light comes After they already have the power of diamond flight. Which is / was strictly a gift of creatures to the prince /child of light
Oh rlly? Guess I never noticed
No the ancestor that finds the child of light in isle... he’s wearing a boat headdress

or Isle just has the power to levitate stuff hhhh
i did still disagree on the masks you know-
||i think Isle and valley elders are innocent||
Those 4 kinda look like the generic ancestors/spirits though
jkjjkjkjk, unless......
Okay here’s something that weird please some one clarify
The Prophets are still just Ancestors though
Yeah ok they mightbe seen like that and not anymore special than the other ancestors
The mural in isle shows a star falling. Two ancestors who prayed for it and then find it after it’s fallen and 4 ancestors bringing the light back to the elder temple.... so... a star falls in the ancestor spirit memory and that Star is a child....
oh yeah wait lemme pull those up
So they were the ones praying for it?
It’s okay
also see the three over there
Seems pretty solid that exact scene is the two spirits finding the kid
Yeah... so... then that means there’s more than one fallen child
They show up here too
The prollem is that there would be a bunch of white glowboys falling all over while we assume the one they find is the special little prince.
According to the mural on the giant rock by the white candles in isle there are 4 different children being carried to the temple
Or maybe they all look different and white glowboy was just a special case
Or maybe they aren't children at all but I haven't been able to prove that just yet
So what exactly is the child in the memory?
I think more than the elders and prince fell. “Constellations are composed of elders and spirits”. You put the spirits back up, but surely, there was spirits that fell also?
have we... ever actually confirmed that the Ancestors are native to that land
don't think so
Well there are some people who see the stars fall. Already living there.
ye
Didn't the kingdom literally fall- oh
oh not that kind of fall- that fall happens later
This is not vague
But maybe the dead go to become stars and the spirits in the sky ARE normal people who died on the ground
again i think the elders are the antagonists pretending to help the skid??? ||except isle and valley they good||
valley just kinda seems chill with everything-
I agree. White glowboy a star. Jus don know if all of them are white lil glowboys.
the wha-
Took close up pics of Twins if we’re still discussing them. Includes prosthetic arms.
Also, I don’t think the shiny orbs in the boats are flow boys, but raw essence. I think falling-star-child is what led them to discover light power.
And I don’t think the pair were praying for him, but were praying (in general, not to anything specific) for aid in their troubles, and Megan sent falling-star-child.
All my opinion though.
The baby bringer 👶 🍼
oh- stork-
The stork that stalks.
How they multiply
||orbit is the stork||
Megan the Stork-
Drops babies on unsuspecting old people
proceeds to yeet fetus
Ancestors: well whatever works I suppose-
KSJSAKJKSJKSJAKJSK
Yeetus the foetus-
If Megan leaves a blessing u better accept it
I just feel like we all fall from the sky when we’re created. I mean : the beginning just us nyooming down upon the world of sky. Maybe we be stars. That’s enough brain work for my single brain cell.
YEETUS THE FETUS
I mean when you're reborn after going through eden you look like a falling star so?
Yes that’s why they put the kids through the trials. They think they’re all special
Same being created?
Cause they all fell from the sky
Interesting theory. We have nothing to disprove it.
But I don’t believe we’re stars, personally.
Kingledor the grand dean
I think after some spirits fell, they prolly just lived normal human lives and made more people.
You know what happens to gifted children...
Juicer
We guarantee that your gifted kids won't die :D
I mean we were part of the stars at least beginning cutscene flashbacks
Every ancestor has a place in the Star constellation 🌌

So there could be people living down below and people just yeeting kids from the sky
We all came from Meghan
Or no idk my brain isnt working
Please don't put the gifted kids in a juicer
no
we need brain juice
the kids don't deserve death-
Every person was once a star
ThE mAnTa jUiCEr-
Noooo

Did we want twin pics?
dunno
Beginning cutscene noises
We put them in a water cooler, a floaty maze and a hair dryer.
Oh my god Manta Juicer's the Sky equivalent of Pear Wiggler-
tumble dry only
Noooo 
Why do I feel like I know what that is
I do like how the twins alters reveal their arm and eye situation long before anyone notices by actually looking at them.
So Meghan houses souls and drops them and they grow up to become ancestors who then receive more Star kids and ancestors continue to raise them... maybe that’s what the iceskaters life memories are all about. Growing up
I feel like I should know what pear wiggler is - oh well
we look the same at the start
Postman: now I shall teach you how to stalk your senpai
Valuable life lessons
maybe they were abused by the elders when they fight back after they realize the darkness was caused by dat ||OVER THINKING LOL||

I think most of the elders are teddy bears.
I believe their masks may also complement each other, with them being combined showing a pair of horns.
Dora’s hair hides hers I believe.
I'd like to hug a porcupine when I go to bed
or their flat green hill hair sibling
Also on the Dora twin, her fake arm has a more complex dealie on the shoulder than her brothers, which is just a few segments
Dutch windmills
They reject diamond technology?
I wonder why they're different
...
To be frank I don't think there's too many that rejected diamond technology
All the realms used it for pretty significant locations
Is there evidence of having/not having it in valley?
Even Isle- the realm furthest out- used a sizeable amount of diamond tech
I don't pay enough attention aa
You know the gold statues above the outside of the exit to the races? You only see them a second, and its hard to turn around after the race starts.......but Im pretty sure they only have 1 arm each too.
You know those arch things in the flying race
We do know from Isle Elder that lack of light leads to a deterioration in them. Maybe the twins’ limbs broke apart, and instead of rejuvenating they made artificial limbs.
And some of the obstacles
Oh riiiiight
i think the village of dreams residence rebel towards the elders???
They've got the diamonds in em right
The Village of dreams had two separate ski lifts
What would make you think that?
that doesn't look like rebellion to me-
or maybe it was and it was just kind of put there because of how far out it is
Notice where the village is situated, they kinda needed those ski lifts
they use diamond technology infact the only one in valley i said they rebel against the valley elder only them?
Yeti senpai, do you want to help me overthrow the elders?

True all elders seem to get along
How would you even overthrow the elders?
i'm just picturing Postman riding this giant guy and throwing gifts disguised as bombs
Tell mommy bird on them
Uh.. What did i come back to
I'd tell you if only I knew
chaos and more postman x yeti ship fuel-
:SkyPeeking:?
Oh hey, there’s a good pic of the kakashi twin’s chest diamond. Got a pic of dora’s chest diamond.
Ooh yes I ship postman and yeti
Check #sky-memes-
anywho-
looked at. R/TIHI
mommy megan the Elders are playing mean again what do
Yo wayward vagabond where did you find the original picture for that meme-

I n e e d it
Okay I'm going fr at least for a bit gotta finish my cr
The original picture
M a n t a j u i c e r
Lmao, why y’all saying that elders are all homies
@weak wharf where did you find the original picture for that meme 
And what’s happening here lmao
We want the manta juicer
manta juice. YUMMY maybe with some corpse plants
Garnish
“The elders know each other because they came from the same place, they go to christmas parties together and hang out on weekends” -totally lore doc, yep, no alterations.💦
Where- where did you even get that-
It's from the Sky beta concept art-
w h a t
Ok bye 100% real
bye
Sounds like a fresh prince of bel air episode ngl 🤌
looks like one of the machines in JOURNEY- JOURNEY =/= SKY
what
The juicer.
yes
which link sorry-
What was the topic, by the way?
uh- overthrowing the Elders and Elders having get-togethers
we were talking about abuse from elders to valley elder
manta j u i c e
hol up
wat-
I think the missing stuff from Valley elders are natural. Well. A natural side affect of something that was not supposed to happen.
Again, I think they just deteriorated, or damaged themselves. I don’t think anyone abused them. Except maybe each other.
Here's a complete gallery of the Sky beta concept art:
https://www.tomzhao.com/sky1
Like Isle Elder’s mask rejuvenating when exposed to the light.
||i explained that the elders abused the valley elder because they realized that diamond energy=bad||
Isle elder : Geoffrey
Prairie elder : Philip Banks
Forest elder : Hillary Banks
Valley elders : Ashley Banks and Will Smith
Wasteland elder : Carlton Banks
Vault elder : Vivian Banks
what
That they would take out each’s opposite eye and arm?
if anyone was abused among them it'd be Isle Elder I think
man i just thought they got split in half by the fall
True
and then improvised. adapted. overcame
Duh.
Well thats what I think happened. Except maybe before the fall.
same with him aswell...
but valley elders was more cruel
Possibly by accident, competing with one another. I can imagine them trying to scale the orrery without any safety harnesses, or racing at breakneck speeds.
It seems more like they lost it via getting split into 2 pieces-
Since there probably wouldn't be enough material to give both of them to have complete bodies-
Isle Elder though- looked entirely intentional
Granted. They don’t look like the safety first types.
yeah with the broken mask
Yea
maybe hes trying to tell us that the elders abused him?
When you put them side by side, they do look split. Elders exist as they always have existed, but I still think something went off about their creation or something and got split into 2 from existence till now.
Maybe they had internal conflict that lead to the split.
Or (TW: Mental illness) ||Dissociative Identity Disorder|| who knows-
Poor Isle with the broken face. While I don’t personally think any one did that to him, it must suck being stuck like that for ages.
It’s possible they’re intentional, if they’re each deeply connected to their realm. The best way you show you represent a populace that complements one another is through having not one Elder but two, with motifs in each that show homogeneity.
Isle: I'm blind and these birds are getting hella annoying someone help
Or maybe he didn’t have the power to fix it until you gave him candle w a x
He stands pretty strong after getting it too.
if that was the case maybe he had that disorder during the abuse he may confused himself to be a good person and bad person?
more stable than wasteland
The sky kid actually goes “easy now” when wasteland stands 
Wasteland Elder: "God I'm old."
S.Kid: "Yes I know slow down-"
I think valley elder was meant to be one soul cleaved into two bodies
That abuse theory can work too
But man... i cant imagine them being abused 
Same.
I have a theory that the twins were born connected at the shoulder with only one working eye each
And then they got separated somehow
Yeye

Yes
Theory: sky kids are illusions they are actually a pack of circle creatures pretending to be (this is a joke)
WHeeeeeEEEEEeeeze
no idea
cool
talking about how valley elders got abused
is this about how there arms look in eden?
You know the popular myth of twins being one soul cleaved into two
with the uh
yeah
I played enough Fatal Frame 2 to know this kind of stuff
wonder what they got cleaved with
Their arms, their eyes, their alter, the statues above the race ect.
I think the twins are just twins
don’t hurt me
The mountain too-
Is this about how they would stand in the old Eden?
Nah nah- I'm with them being born twins right off the gate
Reika said there is another tower aside citadel
It suppose to be twin towers
that's two avatars of chaos and destruction for the price of one
What if the Valley Twins are REALLY those two creepy twins in the Shining once they grew up?
no you see
since they were stars they fell on the mountain peak and broke in 2
WAIT WH-
That’s true
Old statement, already since the start of 2020 iirc
a book/movie made by steven king
That needs...in lore doc. If its true.
THERE'S ANOTHER GIGANTIC, BOMBASTIC MODEL OF THE SOLAR SYSTEM SOMEWHERE
Nah unlike citadel the other tower suppose to be clock tower iirc
B o m b a s t i c
oh god what would that clock look like
a clock
Bigg watch
but big
i'm barely in here, where is this lore doc you speak of :U
Is sky dying?
Anyone wanna see the concept of twins in fatal frame 2?
WHOA i didn't know they would pin it :O
i have a drawing of valley elder before the split will show later
twins in fatal frame-
eden noo
DM ME THAT IF YOU CAN AAAA
W h a t
fatal frame franchise do be like that
Do they have hair like the way they look before revealing they are two in the cutscene? 
maybe it was attempted at one point?
king "you know what, no"
valley "fine then I'll just stick to causing chaos"
Would they be ok with that?!
that would explain how they'd use their hair to hide possible scars, and their unusual capability to synchronise
somehow I can see them getting psyched for it
like you know when Goten and Trunks first merged-

Mantas eat sky children’s frustration and we know this if you’re been in prairie
Gets whisked away
o-o that's creepy to think of
if they want to "merge" now
they need to do a dragonball fusion dance
Yes
me getting swept away before I can collect wax
Cries
so it's basically saying mantas have the magical equivalent of a mood nullifier-
either this hasn't been drawn yet or it's somewhere in the depths of Pixiv-
No it makes us frustrated THEN eats frustration
I don't want to find it
you suuuuuurrreeeee?
Yes
fusion dance with buff super form is waiting for ya Jouske
yeah I'm sure viridi I don't want to look
ooooo better theory: Forest Elder turns it into a juice that solidifies into stuff to craft with :O
I have my own things to look for
oooooo so it's like when you compress the concept of frustration, it turns into something beautiful
Pretty.... :>
Alright y’all’s, I’m signing off for now, dm/ping me if anything interesting turns up
yes
hmmmmmm guys i just have an interetsing idea
what if valley twins are actually forced to compete with each other?
idk whats happening and i'm basically never in this discord but this is fun
They seem pretty into it then
||I wonder why forest elder violently yanks the flame iwonder why||
isn't there some mythology that has 2 people fighting for eternity for the balance of the world or something?
Crab fighting but twins-
her personality is meant to model a teenager and sometimes teenagers act like that
Impatience, pent-up stress, or a natural sulkiness-
isn't she a mom?
I thought it was meant to model the way teenagers see adults.
no?
like you see
they seems to be the youngest among other elders, and the fact that they are two person... basically unlike other elders they can be deemed incomplete and incompetent as an elder
so to assert their position as elder, they have to compete with each other. they have to not only show harmony but also contradiction.
Kamil's right on that one- that's generally how the Elders are made
||I think shes like abusive parents||
How you see adults at a certain part of your life- those are the Elders
what no
that's not what Forest Elder's meant to be
i have zoom class rn brb
Forest is a bit of a meenie and impatient with children. But I can’t bring myself to think of her like that.
but if you can find forest elders kid then I will except
nvm the teacher is late
Why everyone calls her “forest mom” is yet unknown.
||valley elders?||

The Elders are all around the same age and heck we don't even know if they can give birth
where did that come from and how does it make any sense
They're genderless as well
my oc have teth as their mother figure can that be accepted-

I'll put it in for consideration
So none of the Elders are really birthed from the other they're just kinda there
They're less of rowdy children but then again that's probably how a CEO views employees fresh outta college-
Flos's interpretation from earlier was close in that they're representative of competitive adults in their prime
That's why they're full of energy and competitive spirit
Vault's basically wise old grandparent that you've accepted you're gonna die with
grandma
anyways I gotta sneep it's a school night
or another auntie
And Forest n Vault are related
yesss
Aight cya Jouske
i'll leave a fusion dance on your doorstep when you wake up
You leave lore chat with more and more drawing prompts each day, ViridiAve
it's healthy practice i haven't drawn seriously in months shhhhh
Forest and Vault are especially related tho- we're just not too sure in what way exactly
||i imagine valley elder (fused) to be a child rebal||
Mostly I think it's that diamond that Forest mama sent to NASA
I’m thinking of the power diamond production
the lift being powered by one
Also glad to see your optimism Voluntary XD
Henlo, lore gang - it’s been a while!
fused in steven universe style?

That seems like a natural progression after the Industrial Revolution that was Forest-
brain wants to talk about Enchantment stuff as I’m going through some weird moth nostalgia phase right now, but will later
...
Lmao- floor's yours whenever you're ready then Voluntary
it’s Nod
they’re the reason why I feel immense nostalgia
im reffering to how steven fused with his diamond-
yes

Enchantment has invaded my mind
also got slightly obsessed with High-Ten for a bit but that’s irrelevant
what timezone is this
also can someone explain why everyone does this-
at the end of sentences
ye
As in real world symbolism? ... Which culture?
non-sequitur but I remembered that...incident
the uh
“all creatures are born naturally into the world”
Are Journey and Sky in the same universe?
anyways more proof that valley twins used to be one person is that they both have the same name
JOURNEY =/= SKY
yes
well there was theory but that was debunked already.
I haven’t actually played Journey (Sky looks more fun) but was looking at it and started wondering 
||used to think they were in the same universe but actually lol||
lol
those names are fanon, not actually official. they were just placeholders
oh ok
Isle: Daleth (ד)
Prairie: Ayin (ע)
Forest: Teth (ט)
Valley: Samekh (ס)
Wasteland: Tsadi (צ)
Vault: Lamed (ל)
Prince: Alef (א)
King: Resh (ר)
The devs used these as placeholders based on the Hebrew alphabet during development, and fans have latched onto them even though they're not official
casually doesn’t know anything about lore but I like to lurk
Welcome to lore. Lurk away, or feel free to ask questions. We try to be friendly.
Does anyone know where to find an image of the King of Eden?
Thank you!
no problemo :D
that too

So what’s the thinking on dark plant cores: does each core represent a single death, or is it irrelevant?
Side point: are ancestor souls the only ones represented by the cores, or can other creatures also produce dark plants through their death?
Wait a minute why does the princes mask/crown look like the season on prophecy symbol
cause it does
imagine responding to a 40 minute old message 😳
The dash thing is more of a cut off, like saying “wh” but with the dash
imagine in a update we can see the king/prince!
I used it cause I kinda sound like I'm aggressive so I add a hyphen at the end
Can't be possible, since Eden elder can't be saved (THAT, if you consider King/Prince/Eden Elder to be the same)
like maybe before eye of eden we get to see the king and prince through medidtation
I wonder what happened to eden to make it end up like that
i actually theorized that maybe they farmed the diamond crystals in eden for diamond technology
I want a flashback/spirit memory with King
HECK I WANT SPIRIT MEMORIES WITH ELDERS. More elder cutscenes.
Some day in the future I hope they add an season for eden
Aye that would be cool
they used to be blue but now they are red because they abused the balance bring the darkness
season of kingdom
Yeah I’m early beta they were blue no?
Season of kingdom is not bad
I would like them to bring Eden elder(mr king) back
He is there no? Just corrupted
No

he cease to exists
King doesn't exists
He noped out of existence
ye
he IMPLOSIONED
He was the imposter all along
is this pfp the king from Hollow Knight?
Just like me
Imagine if the prince comes back 👀
naw pretty sure he's dead
How so?
Happy buzzsaw noises
Back- what'd I miss
lmao I thought you looked familiar
We are talking about the fallen kingdom
Ye
Ooooo
What
Just reminded me of Minecraft
W h a t
i used to rule the world-
CHUNKS WOULD BLOW UP WHEN I GAVE THE WORD
aight imma stop there-
what in Megan's name is happening?
after looking at this chat for awhile i learned corpse plant valley elder was abused elders bad (except isle) diamond energy bad @pseudo heart
minecraft nostalgia bombs
...something something when herobrine calls my name...
So the king(from sky) had a cool head that’s all I know
i tried to read this and freaking died
Take back the night
before...yknow
The sky king had a star head
OKAY SKY
Kinda like PK except this time hey wait a sec-
SKY
yes! he did
SKY
O t h e r k i n g
No talk about buzzsaw
Sky
COOL, VERY DEFORMED
star n eden might be king
Star noises
giant birb
Ok guys but like
“Red stones”
g i a n t b i r b
yes
R e d r o c k d o b a d t o s k y c h i l d r e n
didn't take too many pics except of Isle Elder
used to be farmed for diamond tech when blue
And some very transparent spirits
ye
It used to be b l u e ?
:(( why did they make us sky kids clean up there mess
ye
i mean firstly they're dead
Confused buzzsaw noises
Because Megan watched too much Anime that she think kids can save the world
There souls haunt us
eden used to be blue, lol
i mean in the beta yes
And I only kind of disagree on the blue stones being mined thing
I think the red stones were kind of like... An attempt on making the blue stones better
Red stones hurt
Because we know how normal diamonds function right- we light them up, and we do stuff
i mean they
Dangit
But still it's a manual if not straightforward input
Don’t we have a diamond on our chest?
Yeah, I think it's a common theory that they were messing with some technology that they shouldn't have been or forces they didn't entirely understand, and they went too far and accidentally blew everything up
I'll get to that-
So red stones- they take light on their own
Oop
They don't need to be lit up per se, they just kinda need to be left alone and they suck up light
But we also see them being used for something- I don't know what but that astronomy tower looking observatory building suggests as much
There's tiny pieces of them all over the walls
Ye
They're significantly more automated than blue stones
So they were using them to build somthin
As for the diamonds on a skid's chest it kinda got me thinking a couple of months ago
Ye?
So- blue stones, need to be lit up manually and emit energy when lit
Red stones, automated sucking up of light
yes
Continue
or EDEN is king
A skid can do both- we suck up AND emit light
something like that
King star head h
Basically where I'm going with that whole blue stone red stone thing is what if skids were made to be a perfect power diamond
oh, I remembered a theory 'bout that
Fully automated power diamonds
It leans into that territory ye
For what?
then it destroyed the diamond balance and attracted the darkness
The 'for what' is actually what breaks that theory a little-
Because that would have meant that the Ancestors and the Elders were planning to build something like us
Maybe not in the form of children but still
How were the skids made then
anyways i'll make a fanmade timeline brb
And they ended up making something completely different
Like to collect light and bring it to Eden, then repeat that?
That’s all we do by collecting winged light
If everything went poof
poof
imploshun
The Ancestors at least I can be sure didn't plan us
Skids can’t die they just get reborn
The Elders have a slim chance
And as I like to keep saying skids were made with a specific purpose in mind
Without the disaster that was Eden, we shouldn't exist
What are skids? Angry fire star golems monching winged light to spit it back out at orbit?
I personally just thik that there's those diamonds that are made mostly with light and dark. So like, I belive diamonds are made of both light and dark. Dark cause it can suck light and light since it keeps the dakrness from sucking too much light. I think the diamonds on our chest is made out of pure diamond instead of artificial like made out of pure light or smthng idk anymore my head hurts hhh
hhhh
As Chrome puts it we're psychopomps
cool
Going around putting spirits to rest and leading them up to Orbit
A smart word
But when we get reborn there is an structure there no?
Like the platform to check on the consolation
Ima buzzsaw enthusiast. Not a psychopomp.
E
Yea
I meant the skids lmao
Yeah but who is smart enough to put that there for the skids
👀
Like the constellation thing in the temples
I dunno if the 'closet' actually means much but then again that's the only way we can meet the Elders in Orbit
anywho I need to eat lunch brb keep loring ya'll
Okie dokie
It’s night for me
timezones are cool
Ye
Anyway back to talking about lore over tea with the rhythmic melodies of buzzsaws in the background .
How do they make flying boats 🚣♀️
diamonds
most likely
they have a boat obsession though, like why not a flying carriage
Lel
True
Most diamonds are either corrupted or needs a sky kid to power it
Needs light
Ye
ye
But in the village of dreams there’s a diamond controlling the lift that is already lit
Maybe because the village was sealed away from the chaos?
Idk
what
Tho it was open to everywhere
True
currently confused on what are we talking about
Diamonds
A “safe” sealed place is like the fire trial
How is that safe
It’s swallowed by darkness
I mean like safe from outside chaos
Prophecy was created
kingdom got created
elders get chosen
Diamond energy discovered
farm crystals
valley elder gets abused after finding out diamond energy bad
crystals turn red
Isle dies first
skater girl is born
first skid discovered
prairie dies
forest dies (very badly)
Valley dies (except village of dreams)
wasteland dies (really badly)
vault dies
king ditches son and dies
Village of dreams die (from avalanche)
I don't think Valley Elders got abused?
The “darkness” there is different.
Also, elders are not dead
So pretty much Isle is alive during that time
But current Isle elder is in limbo
It's in the canon doc
King ditches son and dies sounds a lot like... you know points towards self

Wym
Isle elder
The one with the boats and birds
The one that got their staff to like
birds
yes
ye
Oh
long beard boomer
He is alive??
No, he's in limbo
Limbo define
Oh damn
Except they're trapped in some room
All the elders?
ye
Most likely after Sky fell
Phew that’s a long while

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