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Comparing them to the boat from Candlemaker's cutscene, the one in Isle lacks the little wings
But they do both have that little power diamond by the front of the boat
I
well, some are missing some wings. though they might were like uhhh destroyed during the storm
I mean, explosion
We are curious about candlemaker boat
How it's able to swim in/above sand without wings and water
So I'm thinking it's hover 
Hi there I'm a newby for this channel... tho wondering about boats
Considering ability of each boats (in air/water/sand), imo hover as well. The wings seem like just an accesory... The boat to Ark area in GW flaps and flaps looks like the main propulsion, though movements has no changes in either of water, air and clouds
What I've noticed about candlemaker's boat though..
It's a variation 1 boat while most of Isle's boats are variation 2
So yea it's flying
Oh shoot ngl I didn't notice the little wings in Isle- it's been a while since I've not skipped the cutscene-
Sorry Fw 
Maybe what we were seeing in the cutscene is a Prairie boat coming to pick up shipments of candles from Candlemaker?
I think no cuz it's full butterfly cargo
Mmm myes juice time
I think that there was a similar system in the districts like in medieval Europe, subordinates had to give some of the things that were produced to the king of the district
such an old version of taxes
I mean- I won't argue with the shipment systems, but I can imagine that the same boats used to carry butterfly pots can also be used to carry around several pots of candles
Hhhhhhhhhhh
It wouldn't be practical, but I don't see any other option
What
I do wonder tho...
The boat we meditate on to get the the ark
And the one we ride after the black transition
They're different
So what happens between the two scenes...?
OMG I never noticed that difference
Black transitions might mean much in Sky imo...
What if Skykids need to transit many boats from GW to Ark
The one we ride in gw is a normal var 1 boat with triangle design similar to the one in sanc and forest SA while the one we ride in ark is a style similar to sleepy Traveler's, a bench and no design
OMG thank you @pseudo heart
I'm now wondering how many boats Skykids are transferring til Ark and how far the Ark is from GW... And what might be between there
Speaking of.. I was wondering the location of ark too
So there's a main cloud cover that covers both the mainland gw and ark,, another cloud cover where the ark is situated in likely??? But then that'd mean there's three cloud covers in gw no wonder it's so dark 
Another cloud cover that covers SA lmao
Whad does SA stands for? (Sorry my brain)
Social area hh
Cloud ranges are mystery yeah
Speaking of geograpyhical settings, I've been wondering what is how far from what area, Where locates the Sea(s), etc
For some benchmarks of sorts- the sea-level areas are Isle of Dawn, Golden Wasteland, and Sanctuary Islands
Underground Cavern in Forest- though deep as heck- has clouds at its bottom level so it's still just somewhere in the clouds
Oh ye the caverns are weird
Eden is the definitive peak of the Kingdom seeing as you can see it from nearly every realm
Yeyeye
The only reason we don't see it from GW is because of the aforementioned levels of clouds
Yeah Eden
Thanks @queen locust
My water benchmark thoughts are almost same.. though
Tho, for mainland GW, I still wonder those shores are whether ocean or just swamps/lakes
And for Forest caves, there's blackouts to go down there
What if clouds could exist below sealevel?
(Just my imagine)
I'd like to say sea-level because of the horizons in the distance- not to mention the drastic change in altitude we just took from Social space to Wasteland proper
Ah the horizons I understand that
this channel should be called "boat talks"
We'd literally just fallen from a hurricane- from a hole in the Sky that we can't get back to
I should really stop capitalizing certain words-
Oh we talk about other things too tho it seems like this week's theme is boats
The other week it was a series of light creatures
And then dark creatures
And creatures creatures
Bullying the king
Then we circle between Eden, the Prince and the King, and Proph murals-
Sometimes we argue about Vault's dreamlike state
Other times we argue about whether or not skids can see or hear or whatever it is that they're made of

Ah and the manta juicer
never forget the manta juicer-
Never
Plus the Sanctuary mural is almost just... mandated-
It'll come up sooner or later-
Ye
And we'll have to keep saying that it's a low-priority bug-
And THEN we argue about the nature of krill
Then we break lore moff's dreams by saying it's a bug
for a long while
Yes
omg what a channel
Speaking of which
Have yall seen the lore moff doc
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Arguing about the nature of krill will inevitably circle back to the nature of light and dark and how it works in Sky and if krill are corrupted light creatures
Whales or Elder Mantas usually
And then at some point someone new will realize those two are different
Slender chonk=Elder Manta, Chonk=Whale
Slender chomks with manta tails
Once in a while we'll dabble in the history of Sky and the Elders being either benevolent deities or greedy people-
Inevitably- Two Shields Theory pops up
And then we race for links for lore moffs
I always keep it in my saved 
Thanks a lot I got many sources and infos to study
I havent even read much the official making stuffs
Must be so fun so fun
Tis okay- take your time with them lmao
Me who don't read them
Yeah take your time
hey guys. does have a picture of the eden castle thorn before he broke? i need it for the background video of my fanfiction >.<
We have one but like- as a mural
Uhh other than murals.. I don't think
Two murals
Ah
Beta does
I mean Sky: LA
Somewhere in the Isle album
The old Isle cutscene used to have Eden castle in one piece
Idk if Light Awaits counts but if it's for fanwork it'd probably do alright
Ye
Mhm
You can find it in the pins !
ok thanks
thanks ya all ^^
@pseudo heart
Thanks for the doc link!
Is it okay to share it to my lore discussing mates in my country (in another private Discord server)?
They dont understand English much, tho they check most official stuffs, understand who's Teth and who's Alef, discuss many phnomenons in game. Must be great help for us
It's ok to send to anyone
If they don't know English much you might can try and translate to the language they can understand
Freedom of information- go to town on the pins lmao
ok thanks a lot again guys.
uh
one more question
does anyone have a fanart of the eden elder?
It's Brick's ( @/a simple rock#8192 ) work so uhh might want to credit them while ur at it
If by Eden Elder you mean the Prince and/or the King I hve fanart-
The lore moff doc iirc
But there's also a compilation of official concept arts-
yeah i mean him
hmmm. i just need something so my friend can draw him right for the video. i dont really know whats the best to use
Understood! Thanks so much
thank you!
Right here- credits to Bricky
thats perfekt thanks!
Aight cya Ali
Hii, do you have a place where you have collected all the season of phropecy theories?
Wdym by place
We don't have a doc specifically for Prophecy but we DO have one for the theories we'd come up with in the Pins if you like
yes, thank you
Feel free to ask questions if you feel it's too scarce- we don't have very many solid theories on Prophecy written there XD
Or theories at all specific to Prophecy-
Cuz normally it links towards a lot of other places in lore
Sure, thanks!
Cool
Sky kids donât talk
they communicate through âšbrainwavesâš
Telepathic connection built through trust
I mean technically us lore addicts have no brain-
In fact we do share half a braincell so yeah
And bricky is a full brain
đż
Lol
Sky kids talk telepathically
True
And that telepathic connection is built through trust
And krill
đż
Thatâs why you need to unlock chat with someone and qr give chat instantly
Because itâs a sign of friendship or smth
idk ÂŻ_(ă)_/ÂŻ
When the stars united, our lights was infinite, but darkness came and the stars fell. Each made a Home in the clouds. The child woke up and brought the lost stars home. The End
I am starting to question whether or not Sky is related to Journey in any way
One thing that's been stuck on my mind is those light statues
They kinda look like the characters in Journey
Maybe Journey was some sort of mythos in the Sky universe?
those light statues are shaped like Vault elder imo
What if Eden was the name of the world and Eye of Eden just refers to the Eye of the Storm that shrouds their worldâs middle
Journey has nothing to do with Sky iirc
I don't think Eden is the world itself..? Eden is a realm by its own..
This looks similar to their injured wall when theyâre in Eden and have lost all light, or when weâre in The Dark Place about to meet Glowboy.
Can you specify what marks youâre referring to?
Now that I think about it, I think Eden was the name of the park, that section of the capital, or possibly even the capital itself, and the Eye of Eden was the name of the diamond before it blew up.
I have no idea about the lore of Journey so I wasn't a all referencing anything there
Oh? Diamond blowing up?
Pointy star head motif. Also, that statue has the same pose as those in Eden and Orbit, but those donât have those fancy points.
We speculate that the diamond blew up and thatâs what caused Eden to look like it does, and in my personal headcanon, why we have light-charging clouds.
We do know for certain that the diamond is fractured though.
If you find yourself in EoE, and feel curious enough, get as close as you can to the diamond, and watch it shiver. Youâll see different sections pull away just slightly In different directions, showing fractures.
Also, the pointy star post was a different topic altogether.
greetings lore folks, i see weâre discussing the eden diamond 
The background is purely speculative, but we can go off of a few points.
Point 1: concept art refers to the dark diamonds as absorbing light, and this discovery pushing the ancestors into a new age of prosperity and innovation. This might be whatâs hinted at when you enter Hidden Forest and see itâs caption of âfind the source of the ancestorâs powerâ or something to that effect.
Point 2: GW is more heavily industrialized than any other map, with pipes feeding from the shipwreck bay into the mountains and ultimately to the end of the map leading to Vault. The from the shipwreck we can assume that it was a source of large amounts of fuel being imported and quickly shuttled off. We also know that fuel demands were high because thereâs a wrecked manta juicer in the Krill-eats-the-Manta room. This implies there being either a lot of little somethings needing fuel, or a very large something.
Point 3: something very important happened to the crowned figure in Vault Elderâs mural, where theyâre holding an orb. Given @lethal stump âs providing the aesthetic lore doc sheet, we can assume (which we do a lot of) that the orb/circle/sphere the crowned figure holds is either literally a fragment of Meganâs fire, or their aspiration to hold it. The Cave of Propheciesâ mural also shows something very important happening atop a mountain, so itâs possible this references in some way the diamond, but thatâs convoluting for our purposes atm. That mural can be taken in several different ways.
Given these things, we can assume that the Eden Diamond is the largest diamond the ancestors undertook to making, and it was either intended to fully power all of the capital/kingdom, or that it was a way for King to elevate and ascend (this term isnât really concretely defined in our circle, but could be anything from ascending to Meganâs level, or just becoming godlike in the vaguest sense of the term.)
Writing this, it might have been Kingâs attempt to harvest Megan-
herself and show himself as supreme figure, subjugating godbird and using it as a source of fuel instead of a figure of life. But who knows. We could go on and on but that message apparently wasnât like by the bots. Haha
hm, iâm iffy about the « needing diamond to ascend » bc we see in the proph murals the shinyboi aka prince/king was able to open the ascension beam without the diamond
the diamond only made an appearance in the coronation mural
personal headcanon is prince and king are separate, and king saw prince ascend and tried to replicate the process himself. I know what old concept art says but fffff
i see
But if king does still equal prince, the ascension may have been an event in their past that occurred once for whatever reason, and king wants that taste again.
That big post was to you but apparently I wrote too much.
debatable if the beam was only open once or not
tbh i think the beam is meant to align with the « holy land » concept; ancestors and creatures travelling to the beam to be reborn
Interesting. I guess that begs the question: is the beam made by the diamond, or was the diamond made around the beam?
Which one is the krill eat the manta room
You enter GW, and head straight ahead. Youâll see two statues in the big wall of pipes. Head between them. Youâll be in a hallway and able to see a manta flying around. Watch the manta.
Just say the first room of Graveyard
Also what juicer how do y'all see anything in GW, it's too dark
My brain keeps thinking itâs a separate room.
iâd say the latter, considering as i said, the beam came before the diamond
Hallo
Well, the juicer is broken
At the first appearance of the krill
The area looks like a big, broken juicer
I'm assuming that's what the second image is supposed to be
@exotic berry Also who is this King fella
When youâre exiting the first room of Graveyard, look to your left. That massive hill of junk is the juicer, same model as whatâs in HF Templeâs ceiling.
King is well, King of Sky-
King isnât someone we meet in person, but played a heavy hand in early concept art. The only sign of him personally we see are his statues, having his face mask.
In the early stages of the story design, king would have played a bigger role.
Ye, clouds got frozen or smthng
Well, Prince is well- speculated to be the younger King or a completely different person
Ye
Hhhhhh
I-
Also, uhhh Zap. Ya new here? Cause Iâm pretty sure that King and Prince are mentioned in the lore doc
But if ya arenât :]
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What do we know about the King other than his looks, like his role
Also Iâm too lazy to read
His role now is up to interpretation. What he did in early drafts was get trapped in the Storm, and hurl lightning bolts at you. He was called Father.
Yeeeeppp
Just saying heâs the King is extremely unhelpful, yâknow
One of the famous theories suggested that they cause the explosion in Eden
Just say âwe donât know exactlyâ if you donât know exactly
Hhhhhh
Yes.
Why is he mean
Yes
Because âš corruption âš
(Also can you like, please not like, tell me âheâs the kingâ when I specifically asked for his role in the story rather than his position)
(Sorry)
That part isnât made clear that I know of. Maybe heâs jealously guarding the skykids we rescue because they have light he wants, or maybe if weâre prince heâs jealous of us in general.
(But sometimes, our brain juice tends to run out, lol)
itâs my turn with the brain cell
Bruh moment
I- but Megan told me itâs my turn :((
Ye
Fiiiine. Your turn. Skykids go brrr
Hhhhhhhhhhh
Huh
Yes
looks at Sky Huh! Looks like a calm wholesome game
Sky: is actually a post apocalyptic world
Yesssssss
I mean if Prince is glowboy, he still does show up. And we are all prince
If weâre all Prince nobody is
What
What
Hmmm
Ohhh
KPS
Is it the Skids are descendants theory?
Of the King I mean
Oh ok
Oh
Ok
Oh he, that theory
*ye
Oh gosh, this brain cell is not working properly
Ah, that makes sense!
I donât think weâre direct descendants. Maybe like the new edition of what Megan put in Skyland, but up until we meet glowboy weâre just guiding lost lights to the big lantern in the sky thatâs Megan. In my head, I mean.
Theyâre delicious and non-nutritional!
lmao I know these
O-
according to that package sky is in the philippines?
My favourite snack
Sky is on Earth theory confirmed
Thank you Boop
I really want a skykid conspiracy board pic. Just. That pic from Always Sunny with the board.
Lmao
âIt all leads back to
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If theyâre what Iâm thinking about, the posts with weather vanes, they were originally used in early concepts of prairie where youâd try to direct winds with them, and then Prairie elder would show up and fix the winds.
ah that's where those air trial thingies came from
Theyâre not what I was thinking about. Disregard that.
What do people think of having an area of focus every week? Prairie one week, Isle the next, etc.? Is that worth exploring or is everything fine like it is? Other things could still be dropped like usual but weâd have an area that, if youâve nothing better to do, that weâd be looking into.
here's something I got while in sanctuary today
wonder of we can use this to calculate the curve of the sky world :SkyThink:
are emojis not allowed in this channel?
Emojis should be allowed, discord just breaks sometimes 
Just realized are we gonna pull a Phytagoras rn and measure the curvature of the world of Sky
becuase a) I kind of suck at Trigonometry and b) last I checked when Phytagoras did that he had to wait a whole year and did measurements with a moving sun
or maybe that was someone else idk it's been a year since I've taken a legitimate mathematics class
oh okay nvm I just found a calculator
silly me shoot-
What units are we using for this tho because idk about you guys but I'm not good at translating pixels into meters-
MatPat probably could idk
ofc! Im referring to the three lined marks on the tin center and a step below the elder statue, in middle of the second and third candle bunch
oh crap I forgot that would have to be done
iirc its about 3 inches per pixel on a 400x601px canvas ? but id have to double check
oh jeez why did I think of this
lol
heres what im using for reference
https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/632004389137154048/658041369289555980
33px / 10.6in = 3.11320754717px/in
There should be a unit the devs regularly use internally to keep size consistent. One could ask Skybot/helpbot how large a particular object is, etc and extrapolate dimensions from that.
not sure if Skybot would have such technical information readily available
Mostly they're just memes and TS announcements
And vague Prophecy jokes
so my phone's pixel whatever is (while playing sky) 2204x1080
I hope that helps
@pseudo heart Boats from Graveyard, Shipwreck, HF, Ark
1, 2: Graveyard, same boat, triangle mark near prow
3: HF
4: Shipwreck, probably a lifeboat
One of the bots is manned by TGC staff, so it would be the easiest way to get concrete information. I just canât remember which, and if they would give that info over.
but don't we have to account for distance from the player to the sightline? or no?
You need the level of eyesight and the radius of the planet ye
oh now I remember why I mentioned that one Ionic mathematician
Cuz I'm not sure we have a set value for the radius of the planet of Sky
Anyone have looked at the Eden boats yet? Just asking đ
5, 6: Graveyard (unusually large boat)
7: Arkâs emblem
Not yet.
Oh cool!! Skid units!
Far fetch idea: whats the default radius for a new empty plane/sphere obj in Autodesk Maya?
assuming thats what they use to model the world... gnomon stream-
Or, calculate the distance between our starting point to the ISS in space day using the smoke trail +table or something đ act as if the ISS is the center of the sphere
That'll take many weeks
I cannot tell if those are legs or not. But those are eye-level pics. Iâll grab a few more head on and if you want them let me know.
Skids leg?
Ah yes I've added the boats in the shipwreck (I can't see the other end of the others but it's safe to assume that they're variation 1 and I've also been taking note about the triangle marks on one of the boat's end, trying to make a link of something (someone mentioned this before, it might be their point of origin like how the ark has the
symbol) and so far I've noticed that only variation 2 boats have that.
And personally, I think they're the older boat version because most of the variation 2 boats that we see today are ruins
Okay not most
all of them
There also seems to be another kind of boat in the murals under the HF bridge with extra crooked front
Gosh I should rename myself boat specialist
Hold up
Bullying the king for his ugly mech can wait a bit
Nice eye. Iâve seen plenty of murals but it never occurred to me to take note of the boat types shown. And I believe the symbol mention was me. But! Could be wrong. Hummm.
Legs of Dark Worms.
So Iâm thinking that boatyards had bodies of water around them for landing, and just did a basic lift off when they, well, lifted off. Bodies of water include the pond on top of the cloud-cliff-cave in Isle, the ocean in Sanc, creek water and lakes/ponds in HF, etc.
Speaking of sanc
Despite of being absolutely surrounded by water
There's only one boat in the area
And it's in ruins
But the best preserved one
If it lives up to its name, it may have been off limits like our nature preserves, being a manta sanctuary and thus had limited exposure to tech and pollution.
Hmm u got a point there
Also.. Sanctuary
Krebs with hat and shades
I never actually noticed that when I relived them before 
Cute
Hehe very cute
I also wonder if the courtyard in HF could have been willingly flooded to allow for boat docking, and then drained when not needed. The culvert has these tubes, which could potentially lead to water, but we have no proof of this, and I canât find any drains for, yâknow, draining the water.
If anyone is trying to explore the courtyard for any length of time, when you enter the courtyard, fly black over the wall (not deeper into the forest, but back towards the social area) and go until the rain stops (not far.) It ended up causing the rain to stop falling for me, so now I can look to my heartâs content. Also, weird purple texture in culvert.
A place Willingly to be flooded huh
@exotic berry Your theory is most likely to be correct since some places in forest are very high up
More or less, yes.
But where does all that water go? After it drains
Most importantly why does it even rain so hard in forest? And doesn't rain on other realms
Why is there so much tea to discover in forest in the first place-
Actually if the courtyard is flooded, wonât that mean that the area with the murals be underwater and be flooded?
Well from what I can say it's being dumped or some is being used and most of it is dumped
No one is talking 
wait... but the water in forest is all shallow
Bc it just started raining when we got there i think?
Yeah, like I said, the main problem with my theory is that there is no discernible drain in the courtyard.
There are other murals that show Forest raining I believe, so itâs not an unusual occurrence.
Yes, but for all we know the mural would have been made after the courtyard had been abandoned. The lowest point of it is actually made of worked stone and is rather fancy, which suggests like everything else, itâs been abandoned for a long time. Earth has been accumulating for a while, which is why we see some dirt, so that means we donât have an accurate sense of when things happened.
Then who made the murals, people after fall of the kingdom, spirits, someone else? Or are we not sure?
I think the ancestors did when they were living
Ohhh ok
One of the spirits in Enchantment was a painter who made the murals in the ark iirc
i wish i could use nod in response to this but i dont have nitro 
@pseudo heart did you get the boat in Forest social space?
lurk 
Most of the boats in sky are similar but they have tiny details that are kinda hard to spot unless weâre taking about GW boats

ya know what- I love this chat-
We're taking boats so seriously that it's hilariously lovable
iSLE SOLIDARITY HECK YEAH
who knows maybe next week fresh off new years I'll find you all inspecting pots
Prairie appreciation year-
All the elders are gramps and grams
Then that secret area under vault
Actually anyone have any idea what it used to be Iâve always wondered
Archives?
Basically the most forbidden of knowledge that virtually no one had access to
Kinda like the Vatican Archives
But Iâm still kinda wondering why it has floating platforms and a ..cube..
Except this sector specifically housed presumably the most advanced and dangerous knowledge available to the Kingdom
Idk- elaborate password system that broke down over time?
jk jk
Maybe the cubes are filled with knowledge...
They are- if you look closely at the broken one you can see it's packed with lanterns
You got a point..
But woah imagen the cube suddenly broke becouse its really old and all the knowledge spilled out but instead of it being a blessing it was a curse becouse the cube was filled with curse spells and spirits started using those spells in a bad way...
I meant in-depth lmao

With charts and infographics and everything
Magic isn't an uncommon thing in the Kingdom of Sky according to Enchantment and the Spell System- so it's not too far off to have something like telekinesis be a thing
Be it limited to the Vault Scholars or otherwise
You know it would be nice when you did telekinesis emote it would actually open a portal for you to go home-
But now any time something happens, telekinesis can now be thrown in to scramble explanations up.
That'd be kind of redundant- we already have two easily accessible home buttons
Not to mention a lot of means to get home even without the home buttons
Also, you just gave me an idea. Gonna try to use Home in front of the culvert muralâs tiny little warp gate symbol
Return shrines getting scattered
Can we mention the fact that the spirit that owns Chibi mask is taller than a normal sky kid but when a sky kid wears the mask they turn short-
Not necessarily- maybe its a skill that's been fostered over time and is specific to Vault Scholars
That Pioneer even owns the Chibi Mask kinda suggests that she's really just taller than she seems-
When I think about it itâs scary
True. Also, experiment failed. I just got sent home.
Maybe even rivaling the heights of select Elders
I think pioneer is taller that isle elder-
That's likely ye
I mean most of the elders are short ... unless itâs valley twins..
The Twins and Forest Elder are kind of around the same height but Vault Elder's just kind of flat-out tinier than their colleagues
I feel like even if vault elder is higher in rank than the others he was still treated as the little brother of the group
oh thank god I wasn't the only one who thought they were a he at first-
Doesnât he have a beard-
I feel as though Vault Elder isolated their self quite a bit, and was a recluse by nature.
Oh-
I thought it was like a hijab
Fevers but still has that good juicy KNOWLEDGE
Knowledge fever
Too hot with all those big brain moves. Feverishly grading papers
gRADING PAPERS ASASJAK
Sometimes I guess. The attack on the manta isnât scripted so I could see it getting stuck in place
No like in a the ground...
And yes. Headmaster Vault-ia. Class is in session
After the manga attack

HHHHHHAHA
My phone has tried so hard to correct manta to manga.
Wait..sad reality:Iâve always wanted to have a mini music lesson in vault with my friends but they are barely online anymore..
Since I was really excited when I learned my first song..
There should be a concert day.
Someone was playing Beauty and the Beast in the Culvert just a few minutes ago.
If you hear anyone playing pure imagination in vault thatâs probably me trying to have a music lesson with myself
Also I am very proud of myself as I officially have all the realm spirits in the game!
Now I just have to buy..the..items...


Has anyone compiled all of the generated names in-game?
No but I have named my friends short versions of them
And when I tell you I drop dead on the floor when I see my own nicknames..
heck then it does a pretty good job- 'Corisel' sounds like an actual name-
Xureyfah, Agimuh, Avejib-
okay but like it uses 'u' a lot too-
Jakudu, Utavut, Cuziradu
some of these I swear are actual names used SOMEWHERE
did it have several 'x's and a fondness for the -ene suffix
"Nozafir" seems like an actual name in my country 
Every game mech can be lore if we try hard enough
leans over Homespace
Utat
Ocofali
Idoxati
Kowitivi
Nuneji
Emihiro
Kevada
Xujomoli
Itusar
low-key Emihiro actually sounds kinda cool-
My Sky name is my true name.
if I told my friend that they'd never live down the nickname Uber
Or crab-lord
Or child-slapper
I laffed. Laughing emote too low-energy.
Brick had a pic displaying different glyphs with different phonetic values iirc.
Whatâs up my lore peeps
None of my friends are up so Iâd like to talk with some actual people rn
I canât find the pic/chart. 
Spirits have their own call..
Yes I did hhh
Yes I've added them in the boat graph
Okay so my noats do far
Notes about boats so far*
This the thing you were looking for?
credits to Brick
God XBox Gamebar is convenient-
âą Variation 2 boats are old but I think the older ones are the ones in the Isle Temple walls/sunken upright in the Prairie villages, tbh idk if they're even rideable or merely for decor
âą There are boat styles that can only be seen in murals
âą Candlemaker somehow has a Var 1 boat when most of Isle's boats are Var 2
âą Triangles are only present in Var 2 boats but not all of them have it
The boat under the Valley's rink is big weird
The one with two diamond ends seem to only be exclusively used for boat miniatures only
There are actually many boat styles which I have compiled into a graph
This
sigh
How did I get to this point
no clue but ngl it's intriguing how ya'll became shipwrights XD
oh shoot now I'm tempted to draw you all next to Slumbering Shipwright-
i have several charts of glyphs and phonetics, but i have yet to find any connect between the glyphs and the sounds of the language
Me Slumbering shipwright

That's really interesting, what do u think all of this means? Is it perhaps spirits used to have divided nations(realms) hence the different symbol and boat built
I think it's uhhhh age, like,, improvements in models and stuff
Var 1 seem to be a style used by everyone
Okay ye, maybe that's the case
U know what
My brain is mushed rn
Take a break from all that thinking, u did great XD
I've been staring at boats for almost two hours
Been trying to figure out what and how wasteland is form
Time to Slumber like a Shipwright-
i'm not that sorry-
Also what was that about Wasteland-
Maybe I can help while the cakes are there
oh shoot nvm it's quests- eh, still can tho
Lore does not rest
But I see what u did there 
@lethal stump That makes me sad. But good to know.
@pseudo heart Oooh good! That makes me happy.
@queen locust I think that happened to be the one I had seen in passing. Thank you. 
yeah, the sounds we have thus far dont line up with the glyphs at all
its frustrating, especially considering we have
[pauses to count]
four or five sets of unique glyphs ?
the bell glyphs, vault elder headdress, archives cubes glyphs, levitation headdress glyphs, and vault mural in the all-elders cutscene
all unique and with varying amounts of symbols, shapes, and styles 
Are these bas relief sculptures / ornaments over the doorways unique or are they found elsewhere? Also, didnât realize the sun-shield and sword were on display.
@lethal stump Do we have each set mapped out? Thatâs incredibly interesting. Ah. I see. Hmmmm. I wonder how many characters that comes up to.
yep, ill send them rn, just gonna get onto my ipad
Much obliged. 
all made by me except the last one, thatâs made by Mochi-daifuku
vault headdress - 28 unique characters
vault mural, all elders cutscene - 47 unique characters
lévitation headdress - 10 unique characters
bell glyphs - 8 unique characters
archives cubes - either 4 or 8 unique characters depending on how you slice it
therefore: between 97â101 unique characters
although counting reversed text as a unique character as well, that means itâs 109 unique characters
Interesting. Is TGC a Chinese company?
their founder is chinese, and they have a diverse team, but theyâre based in Santa Monica, CA, USA
Ffff. I ask only because with the text so small on something like the headdress, I imagined it may be vaguely Chinese and be an inside joke, which would give us a starting point.
it doesnât really look chinese, i think if it was itâd be more square than rectangular
Possibly. There are some characters that resemble I-Ching.
Korean is more square
Yeah even though I can speak Chinese, majority of the patterns are squares or what not
none of the characters really...look like an existing language. except maybe one or two look vaguely like hangul ?
Agreed. Ancient Mayan language used a mixture of phonographic symbols, and actual pictographs. I wonder if some of those text sets operate on the same sort of mixed communication style.
Kinda
Iâm thinking ăč in particular.
i think using a bit of some knowledge on the history of language and also knowing what realms represent what civilization would help
Look a bit similar to Korean
notice we see the most unique glyphs in vault i.e., the information age
Because it is
up until then itâs just the bell glyphs
which imo means the bell glyphs might be the most ancient, probably pictograms
Ig
i mean, you could say the same about almost any square-based language
heck, you could say that about the latin alphabet, itâs just a mix of circles and squares
itâs not exactly unique to base oneâs writing system on such simple shapes. itâs....kind of unavoidable
oh, also, let me grab the chart of phonetics !
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibetan_script
Any chance the bell script lines up with this?
this is based on me listening to the credits song on loop for a whole day trying to decipher the sounds
itâs a pretty diverse set of sounds
and by that i mean itâs basically english aside from the alveolar tap thatâs characteristic of korean and japanese (from what i know, itâs probably used in other languages too)
Respect 
although the /x/ isnât used in modern english anymore, it can still be found in plenty of germanic languages as thats where the sound originated for english speakers
Hnnnnn and Iâm just trying to get the basic sounds for Korean down
whatâs the bell script look like again?
scroll up, itâs practically right above us
I think the bell script is intended to be reminiscent of Tibetan, as the bells are almost certainly inspired by prayer wheels.
theres 21 unique phonemes, as far as i can tell, in the sky language, but they have like between 97â109 characters
How do you come to 21?
count the phonemes in the IPA chart
oh thatâs funny! my mother is a religious studies professor and when i forced encouraged her to play the game she said that same thing
Fffff forgot about the song.
Checking something elseeee
Also, @rose gorge , hope your mom enjoyed it!
she enjoyed the ending of the game!
she got sad watching my kid die though
in pnr
âwhereâs ur piano?â
âitâs gone, momâ
â:(((â
The Vault script is very similar to Grineer script from the Warframe franchise.
Or maybe itâs just my brain being fried
the what
Probably coincidental. But it keeps reminding me of it.
similar yes, but thatâs 39 characters and the vault headdress has 28
Oh this place is alive noice
True.
vault headdress - 28 unique characters
vault mural, all elders cutscene - 47 unique characters
lévitation headdress - 10 unique characters
bell glyphs - 8 unique characters
archives cubes - either 4 or 8 unique characters depending on how you slice it
in total between 97â101 (i miscounted earlier) unique characters

also i tried comparing the bell glyphs and the tibetan writing system
not very pretty but itâs late and iâm just throwing things together hoping they work
Hey itâll work. Maybe itâll help.
Im looking at headdress symbols and will try to compare them to I-Ching symbols.
I-Ching ?
Probably not. But Iâm just throwing things at the wall to see if something lines up.
theyre too flowy and complex, the vault symbols are pretty blocky
if anything iâd look to hebrew for inspiration on the characters/language
Ś€ŚŚŚŚŚŚšŚ§ŚŁŚŚŚŚŚąŚŚŚŚ©Ś„ŚȘŚŠŚŚ ŚŚŚĄŚ
of course, this is modern hebrew, and calligraphic hebrew was written differently
for example calligraphic ŚĄ (samekh) is more of a semi-circle
theres other differences but that was just the first one i could think of
If we were to make a script, in a game about the slow progression of losing oneâs soul for material gain, loss of innocence, etc, how would you approach it?
And how would you keep it comprehensible for your team?
well hereâs the thing: the team already has a script, they just havenât shown it to us yet bc they only use it in current concepts that they canât/donât show us
Right. Iâm just trying to get into their mindset and see if that gives any insight into how it works.
Vault text looks like itâs about having a standard shape, and detracting from it. Jagged sections cut out to define that shapeâs phonemic value.
Like forming the diamonds, etc.
the interesting thing about the vault headdress is that itâs not cut into the stone, itâs pasted on top of the stone
it sticks out like braille
Interesting. Didnt know that... hmmm
But I meant just having each letter start as something like a square, and then cutting a section out of that square to make the letter.
Oh my god what if itâs tonal
I die now

wheeeze
also i compared the hebrew alphabet and the bell glyphs, hereâs what i came up with
from right to left itâs: cheth, heh, phe, alef, sin/shin, qoph, ayin, samekh
or
chhphâskâs
i think
Gosh language is so beautiful yet confusing..
Good luck yall
imma jus lurk because I understand nothing
Nvm I'll chat absolutely useless commentary sometimes
That'll be hard to speak out
well hereâs the thing about hebrew, itâs vowels are implied (or written, sometimes) so sometimes you donât actually write the vowels for them to be there
itâs something known as a semetic language
arabic and ancient égyptien also falls under this category
Lore chat teaching me more than school ever did
more accurate (aka google translate) transliteration: hahpashkes
itâs just gibberish
Maybe to us
i mean, if you take away the ŚŚ itâs the yiddish word for pork 
Vault scholars are just hungry
Plot twist: the archives are just a store room for recipes
That was just the bell language
Ohâ
Just eight letters
Maybe the bells have recipes in them then
and itâs even debatable if these hebrew letters even actually line up with the bells
And Korean has some point to point correlation to the bell glyph shapes.
Some I just canât fit or figure out
Did you put it in right to left btw?
Arabic and Hebrew are written right to left.
And I think Hebrew might have conditions for vertical writing
The bells are made of chocolate
left to right:
ì, í, 늏, ă
, ă
, ë°, 룚, ă
No wonder they attract creatures
This is the only inputs I can give atm
Well someone went hulk there
pogged earth trial if I do say so myself
F.
Someone in the server has a map of the trial top view iirc
I got
ă
ă
, ă
Łì€, ?, ăč, êž°ă
, ă
ë, ?ăŽ, ă
I treated the bottom line as invisible in the character ă to get the dashes
hmmm
i think im gonna stick with my theory that these are pictograms, it makes more sense than them being references to irl languages imo
Because uhh in ruins
Very respectable. I canât fault you. Iâll keep poking at vault language. It would be more flexible if they had a unique character for diphthongs so I wonder if thatâs what they did.
Megan give me the motivation and braincells to make maps 
true
also initial theory off the bat, i think the « blank » characters are probably glottal stops, considering the lack of spaces anywhere else
Remember to push the button down
oh definitely
The button 
once I forgot to push it down and I got an earful and extra childhood trauma
anyway I see we've been talking hardcore linguistics and cartography-
Old Tibetan, Chinese, and I think old English (and Arabic I think?) all had text that would run for the full text without punctuation. I think. My brain may not be working correctly.
many languages have a lack of clear punctuation
probably not old english, probably one of the older older englishes as there are several
but yeah i wouldnât be surprised if this language didnât have clear punctuation, it doesnât seem to
It's reset time guys, time to nyoom. See yall around 
Tibetan does have the àŒ which i think was there in old version too but im not sure 
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Is the ending song on YouTube?
ye
lemme grab it
this was what i used when i was finding the phonetics
https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ
i saw an opportunity and i took it
anyways hereâs the actual link https://youtu.be/yyG3mBwV2Ks
Thanks. I think Iâll spend time tomorrow comparing things to things
I got rick rolled

moment
i look away from my fandubs and I see Brick having rick rolled you all-
god i love this chat
hahaha
if you have any modifications to suggest to my current phonetic transcription youâre welcome to shoot me a dm
Itâll mostly be me looking for a correlation between similar sounds and similar shapes in vault script. The song itself isnât too long so I donât think weâll see much progress. But sure. Will do.
Is there a list of products provided by TGC? Anything with poems. Specifically looking for Vault items.
We do have compilations of poems from the SkyShop-
Orly?
Ye
i have yet to update that doc, i probably should at some point 
Very nice. Guess we havenât gotten a vault line yet.
yeah, weâve only gone up to forest elder
itâll probably take a while before we get more
Thank you @queen locust , and Brick. How often does the shop come out with new merch
well, there was the wave in about may-june, then there was the wave in november-december, so about 6 months between âem
so like 2 waves per year ?
Oof. Welp missed ma chance. 
Lmao
I think Iâm about to call it a night for now.
same, itâs 330 for me rn 
Itâs been fun, all. You all have a pleasant time, and fun travels.


Yes now sleep

I
Mood
I did it
The isle elder was omitted because them and their followers found the Forbidden Technique âą
KAJSKAJKSJKJKSAKJSKAA
pLEASE TELL ME THIS IS IN #sky-fanart-sketches-and-art-chat
THE WORLD NEEDS TO KNOW-
b-but- enlightenment-
Part 19383782 of: I'm an artist I swear
Sh-should Iâ
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What am I seeing here
Pot jetpacks
This is cursed
Why thank you 
nobody mind that wrong chat I'm sorry holy-
Pretend I died
I'll resurrect later with Elder symbolism as an apology I swear-
What
I
I saw this in different way and im not gonna lie its even funnier-
pls spillâ
That sounds suspicious

Its uh
Yknow
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IM SORY

Butterfly jetpack


Still dying from the other one floshie posted
Butterfly jetpot
Heyo i just thought of a thing... skykids eat wax i guess? and when we have enough wax they can forge candles.
||so does that mean candles are their digestive waste...? :pEyes: ||
How do they eat.
You, me 
What.
Oh god
I had that thought too
Then we give them to the spirits-
LMAOOO
When we get our wax stomach full weâ
they use waste as currency
NOOOO
no please- oml-
I mean we use it as coffee irlâ
This is way too cursed
But we literally see lots of candles in sky too
So if candles are digestive waste.... then are those candles we seen are-
trust me its different :V
don't do this to me man coffee is my lifeblood-
Luwak coffee
i mean... what if them jellyfish yellow tops are their digestive parts and stuff all in one
and then the waste is the very light particles all around our screen
and then they eat it again
Since sky is like in a different dimension maybe.
....
i mean- I GUESS-
I love this chat sm
because every creature we see in Sky is just technically light anyway-
Krills laugh in the distance
if they have digestive and excretory systems why not us-
Yeâ
me in GW, krills approaching: i have candled myself
đ I M S O R R Y
i thought that wasn't for another 6-
fun fact its full moon today
The chaos has fallen upon us
where light production is at its finest 
NOO00oo
I-
Hi chesca
TBH idk
... i have cursed ideas of where food enters. but thats about it.
By absorbtion?
Maybe Sky Kids use photosynthesis.
O
Is this a challenge
What.
Hol up

What about the prophets?
What they are did?
Thank you
How krills was created?
And ım sorry for asking a lot of something
Yes, ı saw this wall picture 
Thank you 
Yes
No, ı don't see there
Thank you
You can tell me sedef
İt is my name
Nice to meet you, Boop
Hi i'm Kokichi, i'm known for my lurking and big but small capacity brain
aww i missed the lore moff 
new moff nice
Hello everyone! This is my full on review of sky children of the light that I wanted to share with the community. after completing the game I had to share my thoughts. of course, spoilers ahead.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IVqJMziKoyKXMeCTi67Qtli0spQxl97yVj5vquXHrvE/edit?usp=sharing
thatâs an interesting review, but i donât see how itâs lore related
whyâd you post it here ? it seems like itâd go better in perhaps #promote-your-sky-content or #completed-sky-fanart-and-creations ?
fundamentally because I thought that how I went deep into the story of sky and it's lore it would make sense to be here.
sorry if it wasnt as quite related as I thought it was.
hi everyone!! i just finished my first run through of sky and im kinda shook and as a (real life) history nerd i am YEARNING to learn the lore of this fantastic and beautiful game so i suppose this is my introduction
Hello new Lore Moff!
Read this short document to get started! Once youâve read this, check out pins for more information. 
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18B1-SKG3toG0oH0VhOWC5o-cG9u0STAN92QvmbhTDto/edit
Anyone notice that that trees in Wasteland around the Ark are the same type in Vault?
Also I found a new jar with a new glyph.
Where are those jars? :0
Itâs a single jar in the Underground Cavern in HF, amongst the others in the butterfly alcove. (The one where you deep call and fly up forever to find that one winged light at the tippy top in its own cave. )
I HAVE ARRIVED
Hii guys!
I love this. đ§żđđ§ż
So many lore moffs 
All are mesmerized by the bright light of loreâs lantern. Megan be praised.
this chat has two groups
those who are in awe of megan's divine powers
and those who oppose her schemes of sending innocent children to die over and over
i confirm valley storage has 7 candles and a blue banner. the rest has red banners
those glyphed jars hold the butterfly nest/candle thing?
Yes
Red flags are found throughout Eden but not Wasteland.
Also, all spirits seem to have a diamond on their chest except for:
Cheerful Spectator
Stealthy Survivor
Hide nâ Seek Pioneer
Blushing Prospector
These specific spirits are plainly dressed, and have the vaguest of features. Were they of lower classes? I saw a picture or two of Valleyâs concept art that had different sections designated as either for the affluent or the impoverished/working class.
Oh and so do we.
for working class... their items sure are first class đż
maybe its the other way around. Those guys are wealthier than most
my reasoning comes from how odd/not they are to their surroundings.
cheerful spectator is in the valley stadium, so she could be a rich musician there
stealthy guy could be a vet soldier or a spy. either way, a generously paid profession
hide'n'seek spirit has like... the sharpest haircut in that map ||and probably 8ft tall without the mask, so, physical uniqueness can be greatly valued-||
and the blushing kid has a person carrying an umbrella for her. not only it can be her boyfriend, it could also be her servant/assistant-
ah yeah, i forgot that US measurements arent what im good at
Interesting take on it. I wonder what others think of that.
That symbol on our chest is found in Wasteland and Eden, isnât it?
i think so, yea :0
Hello hehe
personally I think hide-and-seek wit no mask is roughly the size of a mountain and the mask is for the protection of the sky world
The winged light is actually the light that belonged to statues in Eden, right? We return it
But theres only like 60 somethin statues and theres 92 WL.
Wait that does not include the ones that crumbled
Right theres new ones too
With new areas and such
Could just be video game stuff because I sure ainât ever gettin that 11th flap without it.
I mean... I like the concept of returning a part of their soul like that
I think that this disproportion is just the effect of gameplay
Imagine in the time between dying in eden and breaking back out, your sky kid is actually just one of the glowboys chillin on a mountain somewhere
And the hug is another sky kid actually finding you and giving you back? Or somethin.
Considering the âdark room meeting the prince and escapingâ was part of original story and now we have a mildly similar dark room with white glowboy in it.
I think the hug is just you getting your first wl again and wl is the thing that gives sky kids their energy
Hm... first wl...
Well wasn't the white one just to lower performance tho HM before it was bright and shiny
Glowboys are âa character you are connected with and have a relationship withâ so I think white glowboy is 100% connected to normy glowboys.
*barges in* what if the left over wl is from the statues outside of pnr, but something is wrong with them so you cant return the wl to them. Thats why we have leftover wl. It has no owner to return to
The ones during death scenes and also the one that fell in isle in a spirit memory, yes.
This does makes sense Chirp
They are too dead to return? Or they need a different body because theirs got crumbled.
Half of the soul
Well... hm..
The ones we can save are blue
I mean: blue light
And ones we cant Have blue crystals
Well every 4 is one candle so. I could see that
But also giving each one 1 WL helps them. Would hate to think we only gave them a bit of what they actually needed
Isn't it the dark plants forming in them
Why the dark plant
You burn it?
I burned myself
i meant it like, the wl is their soul
Boop!
i would say that they are too dead, thats why their body is crumbling
so we're basically getting their soul and returning it back to them to get AC to get hair gifts from them but the soul returns back into the world and we have to do it over again
yeahh
âGuys please stop going to eden Im tired of saving youâ
âBut we need more Ascended candlesâ
What a vicious cycle
Yes
It's for the cosmetics 
Well... im sure candles Arent cannon
Who gives the AC 
The child we saved
Its the old bodies of the saved children crushed up as currency
How do they get ac
Mmm myes children economy






this?