lore-discussion-spoilers

[pseudo heart]

They're dead

[hushed steeple]

can i explain?

[bitter shale]

They sells spells even after their death, true merchants are like that

Sure ani

[lone wigeon]

they couldnt be selling it to others, they were all alone there

[hushed steeple]

pls LEMME EXPLAIN

[lone wigeon]

eh, go on

[pseudo heart]

They could've made the flame out of desperation

[hushed steeple]

sigh

im gonna go-

[bitter shale]

Lets just assume they rebuild the store for us

[lone wigeon]

what
cant you just speak? xD

alright

bye ani

[hushed steeple]

bye.

[bitter shale]

Aye ani :(

Bye

[hushed steeple]

not when everyone cuts through me

[lone wigeon]

lemmie tell u something

[pseudo heart]

Shjwndnd just barge away

[lone wigeon]

its a public chat ppl are talking

[queen locust]

i take my eyes off here for 3 minutes

[lone wigeon]

we aint gonna shut up and wait in silence

[hushed steeple]

but im tryna explain-

[queen locust]

And ya'll throw down-

[hushed steeple]

dont u want answers-

[lone wigeon]

than write your explanation and post it?

[hushed steeple]

im trying.

[lone wigeon]

while we talk on public chatroom?

[hushed steeple]

okok.

[lone wigeon]

ur being dramatic xD

[hushed steeple]

im not even angry or in distress lmao

[lone wigeon]

well, ur ragequitting, so

[hushed steeple]

just gimme a sec

no not really

im just watching

i wont actually leave

[lone wigeon]

.

[hushed steeple]

anyway

[lone wigeon]

a t t e n t i o n s e e k i n g

[hushed steeple]

ur not helping.

anyway.

[queen locust]

okay both of you calm down

[bitter shale]

Calm down...

[hushed steeple]

they were merchants looking for a place to start their business. but they crashed, therefore the broken ark

[lone wigeon]

so far so good

[hushed steeple]

when we found them, we helped them restore the ark

and because they were able to get back their magic, they could start there because clearly they cant go nowhere else-

cos their ship-

[lone wigeon]

ah, that does makes sense

[hushed steeple]

so now they sell things to us

its all explained in season of enchantment

[lone wigeon]

you know what, I dont think that their shopping stands are actually shops. It might have been their workshops or places where they would keep their spells and we are just able to get them from there for helping them

[pseudo heart]

Hold up

[hushed steeple]

yea

[lone wigeon]

*holds up

[hushed steeple]

we use it to make new spells

[lone wigeon]

make?

we make them?

[pseudo heart]

Enchantment is the only season where we directly interact with the spirit themselves other than the Quest master—

[hushed steeple]

but we give them candles because-

candles-

e c o n o m y-

[lone wigeon]

what do you mean, we interact with every spirit

[hushed steeple]

yea-

[pseudo heart]

No no,, we only relive their memories

[lone wigeon]

ah, you mean passing them lights?

[pseudo heart]

Yeah

[hushed steeple]

hmm

[lone wigeon]

well, lemmie say something

[hushed steeple]

we do help restore the bells for sanctuary?

oki

[pseudo heart]

We only interact with QG still

[lone wigeon]

every spirit in a games sees you, because when you enable their tree, they wave, so we can and we do interact with spirits

[hushed steeple]

mhm

[lone wigeon]

so passing over the light aint nothing special to me

reliving or guiding spirits is also an interaction

[pseudo heart]

No no I mean, compare the ones in Proph and Sanc that have the same mechanics, their own area, QG and stuff

[hushed steeple]

not really-

[lone wigeon]

because they clearly know were there

[hushed steeple]

yea

[pseudo heart]

I used interaction because there's no better word for it

[hushed steeple]

when we relieve their memories, ur not actually interacting

because we are just watching the most important part in the spirits memories

[lone wigeon]

well, I think you are, since spirits call out to you, when u guide them they follow you, I consider it an interaction

I consider them to be uh

you know, they know whats happening

[hushed steeple]

we arent really interacting with the spirits as they are now-

[lone wigeon]

wdym

as they are now

like, that they are dead spirits?

[hushed steeple]

those memories were from the past

[lone wigeon]

good point

[hushed steeple]

they arent really happening now.

[pseudo heart]

Guys

[hushed steeple]

we are just like- watching them all over again?

[pseudo heart]

I'm specifically talking about the handing over the lights interaction

[lone wigeon]

what about it

what do you find special

[queen locust]

suddenly this conversation makes a lot more sense

[hushed steeple]

that one is pretty special-

[pseudo heart]

In other seasons with the same mechanics, you only ever interact with the QG

[hushed steeple]

yea

[lone wigeon]

so..?

[pseudo heart]

But in Enchantment

[hushed steeple]

its different

[pseudo heart]

Every spirit appears other than the QG

[hushed steeple]

i think i get ur point

[lone wigeon]

I still dont, help

[pseudo heart]

Now do u get it owl?

[lone wigeon]

like, uh

lemmie try

[pseudo heart]

...

[lone wigeon]

are you saying that the enchantment were kinda uh.. more important since they were showned uh...

playing an important role in changing the ark?

like that..?

I dont know

[hushed steeple]

not nore important, just more different-

[pseudo heart]

Yes exactly

[bitter shale]

Me who just joined when sanctuary almost end : i think i understand

[lone wigeon]

ah, like that

well uh

[hushed steeple]

i feel like enchantment is very very different

[hushed steeple]

xD

[pseudo heart]

I only joined mid-sanc lmao

[lone wigeon]

I dont think theyre different or special from any other spirit
maybe others dont know how to use the magic of lights, but thats just it
nothing else

[pseudo heart]

They are different—

[lone wigeon]

ah, expert sanc moths xD

[queen locust]

same- tis why I'm desperate for Sanc lore-

[hushed steeple]

exactly, they know the magic of the lights-

[lone wigeon]

sorry ali, I dont find anything different about them :/

[hushed steeple]

but-

[pseudo heart]

But—

[lone wigeon]

only difference is the fact they do light stuff

[queen locust]

I think what Owl means to ask is that what is it exactly about that interaction that makes it notable?

[lone wigeon]

but nothing special about interaction

[hushed steeple]

i-

[pseudo heart]

We literally had a season with prophets who knew the elemental lights but not once did we interact with them

[hushed steeple]

yea-

[lone wigeon]

Oh!

you mean that they.. uh..

w8, no I still dont get that

[hushed steeple]

i-

hmmm

how do i put this

[lone wigeon]

ok lemmie try again

[hushed steeple]

im tryna make it simpler to explain ;-;

[lone wigeon]

sky kids interacting with them arent special, but these spirits interactions with lights are? is that what u mean

[queen locust]

It could be that the Enchantment spirits are able to manipulate their surroundings on their own- leaving an impact I guess, even when dead

[hushed steeple]

xD

kinda

[queen locust]

But after that the only ones who leave an actual impact on the living world are the QGs

[bitter shale]

Oh yea viridi i always forgot the can impact their surrounding

[queen locust]

impacts with regards to their respective seasons I mean

[bitter shale]

Altho sanct does the same but its not realy notable like enchant

[hushed steeple]

but we actually interact with the enchantment spirits DURING the cutscenes

[pseudo heart]

finally

[queen locust]

Sanc QG helped with the bells, and it's through Proph QG's drum that we are granted the murals

[lone wigeon]

But what about it! xD

[hushed steeple]

but-

[queen locust]

that kind of thing- was that what you wanted to say Ani?

[lone wigeon]

I just got that from sanc we know that mantas like bells a lot

[hushed steeple]

yea and enchantment wasnt mainly about the qg

[queen locust]

they impacted their surroundings- after they're dead, because of something that you had a direct hand in

[hushed steeple]

because we never really inyeracted with the QG

[pseudo heart]

yes

[queen locust]

That qualifies as a notable interaction I think

[hushed steeple]

all the QG did was summon the spirits

[lone wigeon]

I dont think so but uh, alright

[hushed steeple]

for US to interact with

[queen locust]

ergo- the Enchantment spirits have a better sort of grasp on the living world even as a spirit

compared to the other spirits

[hushed steeple]

;-;

[queen locust]

Though I think it's mostly because of the medium they used- the Enchantment lights

Then again, it's not like the lights could have activated on their own

[lone wigeon]

hm.....

[queen locust]

They needed specifically those spirits to be used

[lone wigeon]

you know what

[livid valley]

[queen locust]

does that clear up things-

[hushed steeple]

i dont know how to put it simpler-

[lone wigeon]

did the Lights exist when they were alive on ark?
If they did, why did these Lights dissapear?
Is there a connection between where each of them went and what they did to ark?

[queen locust]

Yes the lights could have existed while they were alive on Ark

The murals suggest just that\

[hushed steeple]

i think they lost the lights...

wait-

[lone wigeon]

then why did the light dissapear

[queen locust]

Scattered, perhaps?

[hushed steeple]

they were explorers so maybe they also gathered the lights-

[queen locust]

Their respective wielders did just die

[lone wigeon]

ah

[hushed steeple]

yea

[lone wigeon]

it does makes sense Ave

[hushed steeple]

they were probably scattered

[queen locust]

Oh there were people that could have done that- the Lightseekers

[hushed steeple]

hmmmmm

[queen locust]

But the lights in Lightseekers were normal yellowy lights

[hushed steeple]

yea.

[lone wigeon]

indeed

[queen locust]

I think they did the experimenting on those lights themselves

[lone wigeon]

I mean, if ark spirits do create spells, thay might have just created lights

[queen locust]

They collaborated with the Lightseekers- and created what we now know as the Enchantment orbs

at least that's what I think

[lone wigeon]

hmm...

[queen locust]

The murals kind of lean towards that too- people with hats and umbrellas gathering lights and handing them over to scholars

[lone wigeon]

I mean, I cant see them interacting with any other spirit, since they were cut off from the rest of the world

but maybe they did work together before sailing away

[hushed steeple]

maybe the enchantment spirits had the power to use the elemental lights? and no one else could? which is why we HAVE to pass it to them instead of the QG just doing it himself?

[pseudo heart]

I wonder about the prophets tho.. shouldn't they have been the ones who are able to do that seeing as they've existed wayy earlier

[lone wigeon]

never seen that

[pseudo heart]

The murals in the ark

[lone wigeon]

ooh ty

[hushed steeple]

the first thing i noticed on the murals was the krill lmao

[queen locust]

Here's some of the murals that I've alluded to

[hushed steeple]

maybe those were their ancestors? idk

the umbrella ones....

[lone wigeon]

ey, the lightseekers thing makes sense

OR

[hushed steeple]

they are explorers-

[queen locust]

I mean- who else do you know of uses umbrellas

[hushed steeple]

us-

xD

[queen locust]

It's possible that the Lightseekers are their ancestors if you choose to interpret it that way

[hushed steeple]

maybeee

[lone wigeon]

Maybe the enchantment were light seekers who decided to take things uh.. you know, to do different things with lights nobody else did
and they might have left to carry on their reaserch with magic light they have made in peace far from others

[hushed steeple]

maybe they were once part of the lightseekers

yea

[queen locust]

But because of those murals, either way, Lightseekers needed to have preceeded Enchantment

[hushed steeple]

wait those symbols are familiar....

[queen locust]

their elements yes

[hushed steeple]

lemme relieve a certain spirit to be sure-

nono

not that

hmmmmmmm

[lone wigeon]

what is it?

[queen locust]

Which ones then?

symbols I mean-

[pseudo heart]

Doesn't the blushing prospector(???)'s guy also use an umbrella

[bitter shale]

Its like they are saving the fallen light from the rain...

[queen locust]

fair point-

[hushed steeple]

the ushering stargazer one...

[lone wigeon]

thats what are umrellas for

[bitter shale]

Yea that guy is where we gt our umbrella too

Or was it hide n seek?

[hushed steeple]

im gonna relieve it...

[queen locust]

oh i see it now-

no need-

[hushed steeple]

i need to see if-

[bitter shale]

I recall the blushing spirit's partner does carry umbrella

[hushed steeple]

its the same-

[pseudo heart]

We got the umbrella from the casual stance guy

[queen locust]

I have pics if you need it @hushed steeple

[bitter shale]

No like iirc casual stance also appearee in one of regular spirit cutscene

Its either hide n seek or blushing, i forgot

[queen locust]

idk if I have Stargazer's old murals tho

[lone wigeon]

they were dating and thus theyre blushing xD

boom, a ship

[bitter shale]

I did have, lemme check

[lone wigeon]

welp, im getting tired from that loring

[hushed steeple]

its not the same but its similar

[lone wigeon]

today I learned that enchantment spirits have worked with lightseekers
thats good for now

[hushed steeple]

lights falling from the sky...

[queen locust]

these might be relevant-

[hushed steeple]

YES

[lone wigeon]

like in journey

[hushed steeple]

those

[queen locust]

mmkay then see ya Owl

[pseudo heart]

I think,, it's more like
Lightseeker > vault scholars > enchantment ppl

[hushed steeple]

it happened supposedly also when we where split right?

[hushed steeple]

hmmm

a long time has passed so mayyyybeee

[queen locust]

No clue- one of the standing theories is that skid is the Prince but I've no clue what could have happened when the Prince split

[hushed steeple]

?

[bitter shale]

old stargazer's mural

[hushed steeple]

mhm.

[queen locust]

man I need to save that thing-

[bitter shale]

go on lol-

[icy spruce]

I-

[hushed steeple]

hi chesca

[icy spruce]

hallo

[pseudo heart]

U know how ppl usually refer to the umbrella spirit as a lady.... So if them and the blushing prospector/hide and seek spirit are dating that means.....

[queen locust]

heya Chesca

[pseudo heart]

Rainbow couple 🌈🌈

[icy spruce]

:0

[pseudo heart]

I'm going with this theory

[queen locust]

did it MIGRATE there-

the murals

[hushed steeple]

hide and seek spirit is a boy-

[pseudo heart]

what—

[icy spruce]

no

[hushed steeple]

apparently

[pseudo heart]

no

[bitter shale]

iirc candlemaker old mural does have that too

[icy spruce]

They're a they

[hushed steeple]

then why-

[pseudo heart]

hissss

[icy spruce]

they don't have genders :DD

[pseudo heart]

Don't touch

[queen locust]

man I was about to say Sky pulled a pun on us by migrating Migrant's mural

[pseudo heart]

hISSSS

[hushed steeple]

then why would u suggest-

[bitter shale]

aight yall

[hushed steeple]

exactly like the birds to us

[bitter shale]

i only have these for now

[queen locust]

though- that there's only four of them makes me think that those four specific ancestors are the prophets

[hushed steeple]

isle elder looks so different in a mural lmao

[icy spruce]

yes

[queen locust]

and that those four specific lights are the elements

[hushed steeple]

hmm maybe

[bitter shale]

they look chonkier in mural

[hushed steeple]

yes

[queen locust]

plus why the heck does Isle Elder have so man murals the one under his temple looks just like that

[hushed steeple]

lol

isle elder must have been a good impact on the people

[hushed steeple]

bird

[bitter shale]

yea the no no guy

mantas

[hushed steeple]

exactly what he did with us- but with bird

[queen locust]

i've always just wondered why the heck this thing was under the temple in the first place

[hushed steeple]

hm

[queen locust]

and he's alone this time- everywhere else he was depicted with SOMEONE

[pseudo heart]

Also the fact that two spirits were arguing about it

[hushed steeple]

ye

[bitter shale]

they no no guy try to sneak to teh temple with underground way

[hushed steeple]

so some liked him, some didnt-

which would mean.

different opinions

im confusion.

[queen locust]

I think that goes for all authority figures

[pseudo heart]

Is that maybe why the isle elder is always left out—

[hushed steeple]

yea

[queen locust]

Like some aliens just fell from the sky and now they hold sovereign over you-

[hushed steeple]

aHhaHhahah

so are we an alien-

[bitter shale]

what if tehy debating about isle elder's ability to send the spirits to the Light?

[hushed steeple]

if so.

[queen locust]

though now that you say that- the light that he's depicted with in that last mural is kinda sus

[pseudo heart]

Also the fact that he's not in the eden door

[hushed steeple]

ye

[queen locust]

heck wait why are there so many dang murals about him in the first place

he's the Elder with the most murals depicting him

[hushed steeple]

wait hmmm, lemme rewatch another thing-

[bitter shale]

maybe tehy are debating like this

'if isle elder can only guide the light creatures to the light... what about us? who will guide our spirits to the Light? should we find our way to the light without any lead?'

maybe like that

their debates i mean

[hushed steeple]

yea

another alien will

ahem ahem

us

[queen locust]

Sounds like they could have just asked Isle Elder that too like-

[pseudo heart]

Maybe they acted as the leader of all leaders before the prince/king arrived

[queen locust]

If they were going to the same place why bother trying to find another way

[bitter shale]

no one would dare to ask their confusion directly to the near god like being lmao

[hushed steeple]

lol

[bitter shale]

like how we humans soemtimes question our fate but didnt dare to ask why this have to happen

we just like eh its happen for a reason and moving on

[queen locust]

like how we have to pay psychics in some random market to have some cards read to us

wait no-

[queen locust]

life creed right there

oh right- Ani you were saying something about the murals in Ark reminding you of Stargazer's cutscene-

[hushed steeple]

yeah.

the fallen light

the child

in the pic there were falling lights too

and literally we were a fallen light-

so-

[lone wigeon]

are you saying they were collecting children

[hushed steeple]

maybe

[queen locust]

that's what I was about to type jaaa

[hushed steeple]

xdD

but maybe...though-

[lone wigeon]

thats uh... not... its creepy and funny at the same time xD

[hushed steeple]

its sky children of the light. not sky child of light

[queen locust]

ngl I kinda find it iffy because idk if skids and ancestors could have coexisted so far back

[hushed steeple]

theres more.

c h i l d r e n

[icy spruce]

I- true-

[hushed steeple]

collecting children sounds really wrong though-

[queen locust]

What purpose could those skids have served existing that far back though

[hushed steeple]

the way that was phrased

its just very-

w r o n g

[queen locust]

Because we're sent down for a reason- we have to bring lost stars home

[hushed steeple]

the c h i l d r e n

[queen locust]

But those skids, what reason could they have had to exist back then?

[hushed steeple]

oh wait.

eden

||pnr||

skids

hMMMmMmMm

[queen locust]

Point of no return skids could have simply just been skids sent before us though

Not necessarily coexist with the ancestors

[hushed steeple]

no they skids must have also fallen from the sky

we just woke up late.

[queen locust]

i mean- I'm not saying they didn't also fall from the sky

[hushed steeple]

cos a long time has passed

apparently we are deep sleepers

[queen locust]

The way that we've been sent down makes it sound like we were a last resort

After every skid before us failed

[hushed steeple]

yea.

[icy spruce]

cool, like we were hibernating or smthng?

[hushed steeple]

maybe

we were all sent at the same time werent we?

[queen locust]

wait a sec if those skids were even used for something on Ark they would have been turned into the orbs wouldn't they

[hushed steeple]

imma rewatch the cutscene

maybe the skids helped

but apparently they just had to crash

[queen locust]

i forgot my terminology there for a sec

[hushed steeple]

lmao

[icy spruce]

lol

[hushed steeple]

maybe the skids also helped with gathering them elemntal lights at first

oop 8%

[queen locust]

I admit the flight would have been useful trying to catch those lights

aight Imma clean up for a bit brb

[hushed steeple]

working on two game's lores is tiring

[bitter shale]

what if the fallen lights are not necessarily always in form of children?

they might be some remnants from megan that fell from orbit

[bitter shale]

whats the other one if i may ask-

[hushed steeple]

fnaf

[bitter shale]

ohh

[icy spruce]

oh, understandable

fnaf's lore is very confusing- I mean, look what happened to MatPat-

Anyways, lore

[hushed steeple]

kk

[icy spruce]

that's sky

[bitter shale]

ngl i was a fnaf theorist too but the more new games come the more it become so confusing so yeah-

ngl tho, this symbol remind me of isle elder instead of prairie?

or is it just me

[hushed steeple]

im just t i r e d

very tired-

[bitter shale]

same-

[hushed steeple]

im gonna go rewatch somemore cutscenes then move on to fnaf after finding something on mantas.

mantas mantas

im gonna take a trip to prairie

[bitter shale]

we might can explain why the mantas just goes folds in mid air like this

like

are they okay-

[hushed steeple]

ill go look at the anatomy of mantas rq

[bitter shale]

paper mantas

whoever say that you dont need to delete-

[icy spruce]

what

[bitter shale]

like at this point i believe every creatures in sky are origamis

[hushed steeple]

maybe we're all just toys in a toy set

that would explain everything

[bitter shale]

maybe we all just in coma dream about sky world with our toys as the inhabitant

[hushed steeple]

hmm

maybe thats why it asks us to wake up

[bitter shale]

flashback to Deemo

angst

[hushed steeple]

its just our parents saying "wake up, child"

[icy spruce]

o-

[hushed steeple]

i cant think straight-

[bitter shale]

basically Lamed luring skids to vault

and hiding the fact that the real vault is nothing but ruins-

[hushed steeple]

i remember a meme

it was forest mama saying "WHO SAID PSPSPSP"

and teth was saying that while she was halfway through a very large hole in a door

but anyway

lore

did u know cats say pspspsps

is Lamed a cat?

maybe

find out, in the Archives

so, mantas

[bitter shale]

are mantas trained to carry people to the temple

[hushed steeple]

no?

[bitter shale]

maybe instead of boats... the only way to reach prairie temple is by riding mantas instead of boats

and only chosen ones can do that

[hushed steeple]

fish like hitching rides on manta irl too

[icy spruce]

O-

[hushed steeple]

so

we are fish

[icy spruce]

cool

[hushed steeple]

i mean the spirits are fish-

[bitter shale]

well the fish also taking part in cleaning manta's under side so

hmm

are we secretly fish

flying fish

[hushed steeple]

fish hitch rides on sharks too....we like riding krills right?

[bitter shale]

and why mantas sounds like whale-

[bitter shale]

but can we actually do that tho-

[hushed steeple]

ride the krill

[bitter shale]

ah-

[hushed steeple]

i need something to crack my head about

any ideas?

[queen locust]

my mind immediately went back to the climate of Valley

And earlier I had a stupid shower thought like maybe Valley was deeper into the ground than we thought it was and the Twins just went ham with their Air element and lifted an entire realm off its foundations

Kind of like how most of Prairie is up in the air-

Or maybe Prairie's just situated on a really tall rock formation or smthn idk

[willow bear]

I like that phenomenon IRL

[queen locust]

no I would not like to go to hell on earth irl fkskcjdjc

[willow bear]

Is there a lore accotiated with it?

[hushed steeple]

yes

[queen locust]

With what exactly-

[hushed steeple]

i wanna go eden irl

i need to see

[willow bear]

With multiple Edens

[hushed steeple]

the gateway to rebirth

i need to see

i want to a s c e n d

[queen locust]

god no I already live on a country that feels like it's in a perpetual storm

And you don't see me ascending-

[willow bear]

Move out the country

[queen locust]

Hell no I don't have a passport OR insurance

[willow bear]

This phenomenon appears in really cold places, so yeah kinda hell

[queen locust]

technically according to Dante hell's actually pretty cold

[hushed steeple]

my country is the capital of lightning. lightning storms are cool tho

[queen locust]

do they have auroras in the 9th circle of hell

[hushed steeple]

lmao

[queen locust]

anyway

i need to go check if Prairie's just on a really big rock-

that isn't floating

[willow bear]

Here's more pics for you to research https://pikabu.ru/story/v_nebe_nad_tyumenyu_poyavilis_svetovyie_stolbyi_7882525

[hushed steeple]

well when i oobed

it seems the social space is a huge rock

that i got into

and couldnt come out

[queen locust]

I can't read Russian ahhhh

[hushed steeple]

oof

neither can i

[willow bear]

Google translate for the rescue

Just put a link into it

Don't be lazy https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&nv=1&pto=aue&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ru&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://pikabu.ru/story/v_nebe_nad_tyumenyu_poyavilis_svetovyie_stolbyi_7882525

[hushed steeple]

so anyway

mantas?

[pseudo heart]

Sighs in 20+ storms a year

[hushed steeple]

m a n t a s?

imma go prairie to research on pots again

[pseudo heart]

I can't think of any theory but I'm sure as eden thankful they ain't dark creatures

[hushed steeple]

and forest- and maybe gw-

imma just go everywhere

[pseudo heart]

Their kidnapping range is way bigger than krills' yeeting one

Imagine getting kidnapped by a dark manta

[queen locust]

I have never been so mad that everything is cloud

The horizon is cloud

[pseudo heart]

Touch a sliver of their wings and you're as good as gone

[queen locust]

But I will say that at least in Sanc there's oceans for miles and not another speck of land in sight

[hushed steeple]

yes

its sanctuary

[queen locust]

It's entirely possible that all of Prairie that isn't Sanctuary is floating and so are Forest and Valley

[hushed steeple]

maybe its manmade

[hushed steeple]

maybe

i mean they did start again in the clouds-

[queen locust]

then again the cloud formations for Isle are w e i r d

[hushed steeple]

they made a new home in the clouds

[queen locust]

Maybe Isle's just too far to spot idk

[hushed steeple]

isle...

island

[pseudo heart]

But where did they originally come from

[queen locust]

i know it's a lone island in the middle of nowhere yes

[hushed steeple]

in the middle of nowhere? prairie is almost right behind it

almost.

[queen locust]

have you seen the sheer amount of cloud that it takes to travel in between the two realns

Isle being as tiny as it is doesn't help it as much

it's almost like it's a Pluto but for realms

[pseudo heart]

Also,, I hast question.. The reason why there's a social area-like space above the Prairie temple is because there wasn't a forest social space back then right? Like u swoop in straight to the rain area???

[queen locust]

Then again the actual lone island in the middle of nowhere is Homespace and that's tinier than Isle so maybe THAT'S the Pluto of the realms

[pseudo heart]

uh not actual lore, just curious

[hushed steeple]

mhm

[hushed steeple]

homespace is just there...for easy travel-

[queen locust]

I wasn't counting homespace

just like NASA

[pseudo heart]

We don't even know if homespace is actually part of the world of sky might just be there as a hub of sorts

[queen locust]

I mean yeah

I try to leave out Homespace out of lore as much as possible- mostly I just said that as a joke

[pseudo heart]

Oop gotta nyoom for a bit,, it's hell week rn uhh

Lemme be back in a bit

[queen locust]

Aight see ya Ali

Good luck with hell week-

[hushed steeple]

hell week?

[pseudo heart]

Or should I say...

Eden week

[hushed steeple]

my days have been nothing but Sky.

[pseudo heart]

Exam week Ani hhhh

[hushed steeple]

oh

my exams are over

chill, itll be done in a flash

[pseudo heart]

Well it's not for me so uhh

See u guys later

Imma just stare at my books for 5 min straight

[queen locust]

i don't have exams i just have the overwhelming amount of academic papers i need to arrange for and haven't done-

[icy spruce]

me too :DD

[hushed steeple]

oh

[pseudo heart]

Well look at us hanging out in lore discussion spoilers ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ

[hushed steeple]

okok

[icy spruce]

They expect us to finish 5-7 homeworks in one day :DD

ok, lore

[hushed steeple]

M A N T A SSSSS

[pseudo heart]

Pro-yeeters

Krills who?

[queen locust]

P r o y e e t e r s-

[hushed steeple]

5-7? i usually get 11-15-

uh-

[icy spruce]

huh-

[hushed steeple]

ok then-

[icy spruce]

anyways, uhhh

MANTAS

YES

[queen locust]

idk too much about manta lore but i did see the mention of a dark manta

[hushed steeple]

ok

wait what

[queen locust]

If I were to lean towards my crackpot theory about creatures essentially becoming creatures according to some convoluted process

Then dark mantas are technically possible

the convoluted process's name is Cell Division

[hushed steeple]

i dont need to kill my brain rn-

[queen locust]

but honestly I doubt it because I'd classified the light from the dark

[icy spruce]

huh

[hushed steeple]

my eyes are already dead

[queen locust]

to sum it up the light creatures are normal cells but the dark creatures are kind of an exception to the process

[icy spruce]

oh ok

[hushed steeple]

my b r a i n

[queen locust]

like you know how some cells don't need to undergo cell division

That's the equivalent of a dark creature

[hushed steeple]

im tryna process a lot of things right now-

[icy spruce]

O-

[hushed steeple]

because the lightseekers and enchantment opened my mind

and vault was worse-

[queen locust]

Ohhhhhhh

yeah Vault was whack earlier

and we had to go over the spirits being special for so long-

[waxen elbow]

Hello friends. What did I miss

[queen locust]

Oh heya there

Mostly Enchantment lore

And Vault projection theory to some degree

[hushed steeple]

and lightseekers

[queen locust]

Lightskewers

can you skew light

[waxen elbow]

L i g h t s k e w e r s

[hushed steeple]

o m g

[icy spruce]

Y E S

My favourite food is now Light

I am now krill

[queen locust]

man imagine doing a family barbeque and all you have to serve is light

On skewers

[icy spruce]

Yes

[queen locust]

Take notes grandma spirit

[waxen elbow]

Ah yes lightskewers, my favorite thing to have for breakfast

[queen locust]

would the light be crunchy or juicy

[hushed steeple]

pls stop-

[queen locust]

or would it just be light on the stomach

pun intended

[icy spruce]

I think it would be like cotton candy or smthng-

[queen locust]

Just take some clouds maybe the light's just for flavor

[icy spruce]

yes

anywaysss

l o r e

[queen locust]

the enchantment spirits made so many flavors

wait what lore topic are we on again

[icy spruce]

no ide

a

[queen locust]

i think i left off at one of my crackpot creature theories but idk if ya'll wanna continue that discussion

there was an alternative to that I think and that was that dark creatures were a type of cancer

[icy spruce]

sureeeeeeeeee

[queen locust]

they don't like... Proliferate at deadly speeds but they're a mutation of light

[waxen elbow]

Interesting

[icy spruce]

indeed

[queen locust]

mostly I only likened them to cells because of that 'all creatures come from light' quote

This way technically dark creatures still count for that and are merely a consequence of light

Darkness being part of the process and all that but since this is me trying to justify spontaneous generation with cell theory there's bound to be holes

[waxen elbow]

I love all theories

[queen locust]

is it just me or did we somehow get through an entire day without mentioning the war in wasteland

i ain't breaking this streak plus I have class tomorrow so see ya'll- nighty night

[scenic hedge]

maybe darkness comes from another source

but it’s not the sullied water in gw

[icy spruce]

hmm

[hushed steeple]

Hey lore chat- just popping in to ask what are the elder’s names used in the concept art? I forgot skfjsbd

[lethal stump]

Isle: Daleth (ד)
Prairie: Ayin (ע)
Forest: Teth (ט)
Valley: Samekh (ס)
Wasteland: Tsadi (צ)
Vault: Lamed (ל)
Prince: Alef (א)
King: Resh (ר)
PLEASE NOTE: These names have appeared in concept art and are often used when referring to the elders. They were never canon, they were placeholders, and now they are fanon.

[hushed steeple]

Thank you so much!!

[plain flume]

No longer canon?

[lethal stump]

ah, i haven’t updated that copypasta

they were never canon, they were placeholders, sorry for the confusion

[plain flume]

I was just curious lol

[hushed steeple]

What does it mean by placeholders?

[timid cipher]

Those names were temporary so the devs had a way to refer to them

[undone harbor]

can a bunch of cancer cells turn into an organism

[undone harbor]

Found these on tumblr
https://kikiruk.tumblr.com/post/637023465151578112/heres-a-weird-theory-relating-to-eden

Maybe if we analyse people's first Sky play through we can see how they act irl??

Anyone remember their first Sky experience??

[lyric isle]

Gee, now that’s a fun theory.

[misty garnet]

Wait a little theory time(probably not canon,but I just had some thoughts)
Remember season of rhythm's final cutscene where all the band leaves? Everyone is there,except the rhythm guide. Some people speculated that they are the bird
But the cutscene is happening in the valley stadium/coliseum. And where is the village located?
What if the rhythm guide is the woman in the trailer and also the girl from the future? Well if we compare their height,mask and hair length they are surprisingly very similar. What if the guide escaped to visit their village?

[uneven grotto]

@misty garnet I really like the theory that some of the season elders could be the same person... But we'll just have to see whether or not the devs give us a "seasons constellations" area to see all the different "season elders" in one spot.

[short owl]

Hey @undone harbor , when you share something from Tumblr, could you please make a point to include the url of the post or the poster?

Normally I would not ping but failure to credit is a thing that deeply bothers mw

[misty garnet]

Well as the beta tester... I can't share the details

[tardy moon]

I loved that theory!

[sinful anvil]

mm who’s the op

[stone hatch]

how does one read the murals in the prophecy cave

[bleak shore]

hi hi! i think i saw somewhere a long time ago about the base game capes having names such as "(color) cape of (noun)", is that a real thing that i didn't dream up and if it is, does anyone have a list of the names?

[lethal stump]

they’re up to interpretation, tbh
if you’re new to lore, i suggest reading this to get an idea of what’s up !

Hello new Lore Moff!
Read this short document to get started! Once you’ve read this, check out pins for more information. :stickerHeart:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18B1-SKG3toG0oH0VhOWC5o-cG9u0STAN92QvmbhTDto/edit

[lethal stump]

i don’t think the capes have ever had names

[stone hatch]

Thank you!!!

[lethal stump]

[hushed steeple]

You just observe what's going on in the murals like when you look at a pictured story book

You put together every single detail until it tells a story. Everyone puts murals together differently though btw.

[short owl]

Oh! i bet I know where Kam is getting nouns from!

The nouns probably refer to the spirit who sells them

Like the water prophet cape

[pastel brook]

Rumor says there's lizard people in sky...Surely it's not true right? RIGHT??

[hushed steeple]

@pastel brook that's too political, skybot

[velvet thunder]

No, not the lizard people!

[sacred rapids]

anyone know where pyre is? he isn't responding to my messages about nat geo sky

[velvet thunder]

Not a clue

[sacred rapids]

ah great

the guy that's supposed to tell me what to do won't tell me where to put my recordings

[hushed steeple]

Well, you gotta be patient. No sane person would be on discord 24/7. There's also time difference as well. I'm just making an educated guess but it might as well be 5am over there

[sacred rapids]

maybe

[hushed steeple]

Headcanon: Skykids keep their candles in their chest

It’s like their heart/life source maybe?

#screenshots-and-videos message

[pulsar iris]

Yea, notice when you take out your candle, the light in your chest goes out

[short owl]

In my experience, Pyre is usually here late in the day

So it may be a few more hours

[sacred rapids]

I guess

[lethal stump]

hey @short owl i found the source of that earlier tumblr post

https://sunset-crab.tumblr.com/post/637044809119481856

[lyric isle]

wait are krill confirmed corrupted light creatures

just to clarify

[kind bobcat]

I don't think it's ever been confirmed they are corrupted light creatures.

They're dark creatures though, which are well.. Dark.

[queen locust]

It's amazing that I can scroll up to last night- ya'll didn't get busy at all-
And that's not what I'm tryna argue I think, I was just comparing the dark creatures to a cell mutation

So they're not necessarily cancers but maybe they came into being the same way through a similar process- dakrness simply being a byproduct of light

[unique dagger]

wwhaT?

[sinful anvil]

are there even dark creatures that are born not corrupted?

[rapid juniper]

Wdym

[teal orbit]

sanc crabs

think of dust like mitochondria lol

some species r born with it

others arent

[rapid juniper]

Well I think it’s based on the places they are

[bitter shale]

This is also the base reason of my wax-skin theory

Basically skids are made of waxes, nd they grow new skins whenever they got waxes and then made a candle by shed the newly-formed skin off

[rapid juniper]

They’re skins

[queen locust]

Skids are sneks that's amazing lmao

[teal orbit]

exactly... evolution through isolation!
sanc `s tiny island crabs have been isolated from other crabs for a long time...
so while the other crabs evolved to host dust, the yniy island crabs didnt lol

[bitter shale]

Also the fact that the red candle is our heart/life source... that means when we lit a stranger its like we connecting our hearts

[teal orbit]

but the sound they make.... it prob isnt wax....

[teal orbit]

but i dig this

[bitter shale]

Hard wax?

[teal orbit]

still

hard wax doesnt sound like that

[bitter shale]

lemme imagine a skid shed their skin please lmao-

[teal orbit]

ok lol

[rapid juniper]

I-

[teal orbit]

bu-

o-

ye

[queen locust]

One day- one day this chat will have evolved like crabs and have complete sentences-

[rapid juniper]

Well

[teal orbit]

rn its very polarized... paragraphs or words lol

[eager hull]

i havent seen anyone talking about them, but what are those dark creatures in fire trial?

[teal orbit]

shadows?

[queen locust]

Adopted dark worms

[eager hull]

ohh

[teal orbit]

haha i coined the term

im still proud lol

[queen locust]

Welcome to the party we don't think they're krill

[bitter shale]

Dark worms on string

Soot worms

[eager hull]

i dont think theyre krill

[teal orbit]

yes

[rapid juniper]

Yes

[eager hull]

but they could be connected to krill or be like some sort of family of them im not sure

[teal orbit]

they are sound waves that leave smokey trails

[queen locust]

nor could they be related to krill

[bitter shale]

Maybe they are un-evolved krill idk lmao

[teal orbit]

they prob host dust?

[eager hull]

krill are much much bigger than them

[queen locust]

Considering we don't know if they exist outside of the fire Trial

[eager hull]

& are actually solid creatures

[bitter shale]

Maybe the soot worms are dafkness corruption went sentient? And they got sealed in fire trial?

[queen locust]

And it's likely that they only really exist in the Fire Trial

[zinc oasis]

Do you guys think Eden would be a lot cooler if the like whole first part was different? Like if it had the Journey(another tgc game) aesthetic but darker and mostly empty just sort of a long abandoned road/wasteland looking thing with the only danger being crabs or something with sad music in the background and the walls are filled with murals. I think it would be bad for speedrunners but I think it would be so beautiful but Im not sure if I described it well

[eager hull]

soo yeah im not sure but theyre one of the only bad bad creatures there are in sky so who knows

[bitter shale]

You havent seen blue eden?

[queen locust]

I wouldn't call them bad-

[icy spruce]

blue edennnnnnnnn

[teal orbit]

its prob just the fire prophet`s reality editing powers

[rapid juniper]

Where blue eden

[eager hull]

theyre super creepy & do make you respawn in a small touch soo

[bitter shale]

Gone

[icy spruce]

beta thing, like old-old beta

[queen locust]

They don't take light away from you intentionally- you just happened to be in their way

[teal orbit]

yes

[bitter shale]

Old beta eden

[queen locust]

And we just happened to be weak to that

[rapid juniper]

Oh I saw it in YouTube

[bitter shale]

Sky : Lights Awaits

[icy spruce]

yes

[zinc oasis]

does anyone have a link to a video of what blue eden looked like?

[teal orbit]

sky LA

los angeles

[queen locust]

oml

[bitter shale]

Bruh

[teal orbit]

lmao

[icy spruce]

yes

[eager hull]

that is true, but outside of trials they could be more hostile or just be more powerful in general

[bitter shale]

Sky taken place in Los angeles confirmef

[icy spruce]

yes

[queen locust]

If they ever existed at all

[eager hull]

oh also in office i foudn this ghost guy, and i was wondering if they had a name or something

[teal orbit]

guysguysguys i have a beta item im dying to discuss... soooo many lore implications T.T

[queen locust]

and honestly it's a bit if a big if

[teal orbit]

but i cant

[queen locust]

We know that so better just wait for it to go live

[bitter shale]

you have no idea how much i want to discuss beta too but man need to wait until it went live bruh-

[teal orbit]

imma dm u

[bitter shale]

Go on

[hushed steeple]

@zinc oasis #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[eager hull]

this thing :D

[queen locust]

god dude blue eden is terrifying

[eager hull]

dont mind my bland avatar, savin up for chibi lol

[hushed steeple]

EVERYTIME I SEE THAT TNING IN OFFICE I LAIGH AT IT

[eager hull]

LOLL ITS SO CUTE THOUGH

WE VIBED TOGETHER FOR LIKE TEN MINUTES

[bitter shale]

IM TERRIBLY SORRY BUT WHY IN TARNATION I SNED THE PICTURE FIVE TIMES

[queen locust]

Sadly that ghost isn't lore-

[bitter shale]

its cute tho

[eager hull]

it wasnt lore, i was just wondering if it had a name or anything

because its so cute

[hushed steeple]

I think the ghost is just there for no reason like the walking robotic stockman and the flying boat

[icy spruce]

easter egg :DD

[hushed steeple]

We can make a name for it rn tho c:

Gerald.

[queen locust]

I think it was there because there was a gag in the dev team where they thought that area was haunted iirc

[icy spruce]

cause I heard that the office was 'haunted'

yeee

[hushed steeple]

Gerald the Ghost

[eager hull]

yess gerald

[hushed steeple]

Or wait

GILBERT

[queen locust]

Some dude named Gerald died and has now taken up residence in the office lmao

[hushed steeple]

Let's name him Gilbert

[eager hull]

i also believe the office could be haunted, as the top floor had these glitching tables

like, phones on the corners of the table but they looked like that rainbow when a tv breaks

[queen locust]

Let's give him a last name too- Beilschmidt

[teal orbit]

aaaaah

folks folks folks

office isnt lore....

[hushed steeple]

Gilbert Beilschmidt

This sounds German

[teal orbit]

PURGE THE OFFICE TALK

[icy spruce]

Let's give them a name: Dalabengba Bandeibdeidi buduobiluweng

[hushed steeple]

GILBERT PYRE

[eager hull]

i know it isnt lore, we were just talking about something

[icy spruce]

ANYWAYS

[queen locust]

anyone who gets the reference has seen hell

[icy spruce]

RAISE A GLASS FOR THE ONLINE OF USSSSS

[hushed steeple]

gulbert

[icy spruce]

TOMORROW THERE'S GONNA BE LORE, PROLLY

Ok, take a shot everyone

[queen locust]

Gilbert wants you to gulpbert your glasses of water

[hushed steeple]

CHufajgzzjffjFj

[queen locust]

where were we in lore land again

got lost because of Gilbert

[icy spruce]

eden

and uhh

dark worms

[queen locust]

oh right blue hell

[teal orbit]

ok folks now.... bacc to sky geo

[zinc oasis]

blue eden seems really similar to normal eden except the last part and orbit

[queen locust]

Or back to blue hell- whatever anyone wants to talk about-

[teal orbit]

wut light creatures havent we done yet...

[icy spruce]

idk

[teal orbit]

blue hell isnt lore either...

[icy spruce]

ye

it's beta-beta

[teal orbit]

soo no more blu hell

[queen locust]

Light creatures it is then idk

[icy spruce]

ye

[teal orbit]

imma check fandom to see wut creatures we left

if there are none,

[icy spruce]

ok

[teal orbit]

KRILL EPISODE

[queen locust]

Oh that's another blue hell right there

[teal orbit]

nope, we did all the light creatures

[queen locust]

Unlike the othee creatures this one has at least a sizeable section in Theory Vault

[hushed steeple]

Who what

[teal orbit]

ye

ok now we r gonna do season 2

[icy spruce]

YAY, TIME TO GET KRILLED

[teal orbit]

dark creatures

[icy spruce]

Aaaaa, my wifi is krilling meeee

[queen locust]

i had exactly one and that was my crackpot krill emerging from the oceans theory

[teal orbit]

ok folsk hit me

[queen locust]

lending credence to their affinty for dark places and their ancient nature- and by ancient nature I mean they're old as heck

so there's a possibility they emerged from the ocean at some point as an evolutionary thing

[tiny portal]

What do you think this stands for? I see it above the ||eye of eden gate|| and the isle temple door. Homespace?

[queen locust]

I think I saw Bricky connect that to Prophecy once

[pastel brook]

coincidence...I think not

[tiny portal]

[queen locust]

The four figures are the prophets and the one with the star head is the king

Also no need to spoiler tag here

[tiny portal]

Interesting

Oo ok thanks

[hushed steeple]

What's the four gates for? I wanna say it's for each realm but there's six realms not four

[tiny portal]

Four element trials ig

[hushed steeple]

I think viri was referring to the four ppl in the middle

Standing next to king

[queen locust]

Nah- it could be that too

Four figures and four gates

Four Prophets and four Trials

[hushed steeple]

That's how I see it

[queen locust]

And the King is in the middle- having conquered them all

[hushed steeple]

Yeah the king sticks out

[queen locust]

idk that's how it was interpreted once at least-

[rapid juniper]

It kinda looks like the realms on the side

[hushed steeple]

I don't think they're the realms since there's only four gates there and not six

[rapid juniper]

Yeah I don’t think of it either

[icy spruce]

ye

[bitter shale]

yo is it true that a city in Valley is called as City of a Thousand Birds?

[icy spruce]

No idea

I too, am surprised

[sinful anvil]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message wait a second

first of all SAMEKH???
second of all are these statues or actual corpses?

nvm the nearby stuffs are statues

[hybrid oxide]

I see Tsadi there too

[sinful anvil]

they are statues

[rapid juniper]

Waot where did you get that

Oh wait nvm

I saw blue eden in youtube but not the corpses tho

[sinful anvil]

they are either statues or corpses turned to stone

[bitter shale]

please i want it to be statues pLEASE-

[hybrid oxide]

Imagine if current Eden has these floating around
Creepy

[rapid juniper]

Yes but they the other one looks like Dora elder

[teal orbit]

did i hear my name?
wut r we talking abt?

[bitter shale]

i didnt want to see valley twins' floating corpses

[hybrid oxide]

Stone-turned corpses?

Too late, my mind already went there

[bitter shale]

nuuuuuuuu

[queen locust]

WAIT THAT WAS THE WRONG PERSON CJSKXJDJD SORRY I MEANT BRICKY

[teal orbit]

ohhhhh

[bitter shale]

also does asparagus hair's hair wilted-

[teal orbit]

omg lol

[rapid juniper]

The other one looks like gw elder h

[bitter shale]

i see lamed too

[rapid juniper]

Where

[bitter shale]

but got covered in that picture-

[sinful anvil]

ayin. i think its a statue, but the posture doesnt look natural

[teal orbit]

its ayin!!!!!

[rapid juniper]

Oof

[queen locust]

Try to minimize the use of the fanon elder names everybody-

[sinful anvil]

u cant see their face. weird

[teal orbit]

OMG ITS AYIN

[bitter shale]

isle

and vault

[sinful anvil]

ok isle elder’s posture is rly weird.

[teal orbit]

WUT HAPPENED TO THE PRAIRIE ELDER??????!!!!

[rapid juniper]

Oh

[bitter shale]

i dont think thats teth imo-

[teal orbit]

AND THE ISLE ELDER

[queen locust]

ain't that from like- blue Eden btw-

[teal orbit]

ayin...

[bitter shale]

they goes y e e t

[rapid juniper]

DID THEY DIE!

[teal orbit]

oh megan no

[sinful anvil]

am i the only one who feels like they are blasted by the diamond rather than being actual statues

[bitter shale]

since when ayin so thin la-

[teal orbit]

wut?

[bitter shale]

oh god

[queen locust]

Diamond went yeet

[teal orbit]

its ok folks, its old beta

[teal orbit]

that timeline has been erased... its ok

[bitter shale]

looks like lamed for me

[rapid juniper]

What happend to them

[bitter shale]

they got yeeted by the diamond?

[teal orbit]

is this live or LA

[rapid juniper]

I-

[teal orbit]

guys...

[bitter shale]

maybe they were trying to stabilize the diamonds but no avail?

LA

[lethal stump]

it’s light awaits, and according to seraph was only like this for a few days

it was added then removed, basically

[teal orbit]

AAAAAA NO LA IN HERE PURGE THE LA ONLY LIVE STUFF

[bitter shale]

noooo i still need to know-

[queen locust]

Lmao you were so into it a few minutes ago tho

[sinful anvil]

in my opinion these are not naturally carved statues. they might b elder’s posture due to the eden shock blasting them away.
am i correct in interpreting these postures as those when people are sent flying away?

pls respond

[rapid juniper]

Hm

[lethal stump]

pyre no need to yell, let people have their fun
it’s certainly an interesting timeline nonetheless

[teal orbit]

guys....

[teal orbit]

this is allowed here?

[lethal stump]

i agrée, seems more like they’re being blasted off

[teal orbit]

plus im anxious to start the krill episode

[lethal stump]

...why wouldn’t it be ? it’s sky, it’s lore, it’s welcome here

[teal orbit]

maybe a stonification potion?

[sinful anvil]

like normally statues are ppl standing or spreading their arms out. its always an act of triumph
but im not seeing it here or my eyes are not good

its difficult to see postures here but u can never be sure

[sinful anvil]

thats what im saying. their bodies are stoned

[bitter shale]

no no your eyes are still good clary

it is a pose of someone get blasted off

[lethal stump]

nah i agrée, seems pretty much like they were exploded and turned to stone by the diamond

[teal orbit]

they were blasted by the diamond and medusa-ed at the same time lol

[bitter shale]

samekh just vibe when they got blasted-

[sinful anvil]

oh my god a single piece of lore just bc we can look closely at a scene that is difficult to stand still

[teal orbit]

ok folks, ping me when this dies down lol

we need to do the krill episode lol