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What does the we broke in vain means
DANGIT
She dies
It's like oil-
Ppl in our world originally killed Whales FOR OIL
what oil?
Sky children of the oil
oh
ohhh, oil
ohh whale oil
@bitter shale ur pfp looks fine
But was later found UNDERGROUND
ye
What if it was the same in Sky, but with light...?
What they meant is that light is the equivalent of oil in our world
Originally used light creatures for energy sources, then found there's light underground..?
Yes
scattered light
megan is originally formed of lights... and thsoe lights will come down to sky world and become the creature of light
Ooh
Oo
Could it be, falling lights from the Sky?
maybe 
Anyone have the full poem?
Kinda like the lights from Lightseekers and the lights from Prophecy?
The fates have spoken
No
No
Don’t weep, dear Elder, we heed your heart,
Tomorrow is a new day
The scattered light, you broke in vain,
No longer falls apart.
"Dear Child, we waited your return,
Our true savior of the sky.”
Let love and compassion deeply in,
With you, we too will heal.
I come back to sky bot talking
I-
I really want to know the Twins poem-
This poem is harder to understand or is it just me-
Guys lets make tradition xD
Teenage stuffs I guess
Forest elder's mental issue is teeth
Teeth-
"The scattered light, you broke in vain,"
you broke in vain
what this part mean????
Ok sorry i got that joke bc her name is teth-
YES I WAS SO CONFUSED ABOUT THAT PART
I find the twins probably interesting because of the posibility each one representing a stage of grief
Maybe teeth broke the diamond and the skidslight cames and steals it
Teeth
I made tradition
We now call teth teeth
Twins being Bargaining, or in other words, a stage of false hope where one tries to distract themselves from the tragedy-
yes
aight i believed the scattered loght here reffering the light creatures, and Teth squish them to made diamonds
do you think... the production of diamonds actually useless?
My reply please notice me
yes

Wait, what about the Diamond Teth had when we entered...
Maybe what they're mining isn't light but the dark stones to put the light in
Teeth*
She was looking at it, somewhat guilty or in grief....
not entirely useless... if their original purpose is to made another source of energy, they are quite succesful isnt?
is there an other reason of the diamond production?
Or she's sad because it's broken
From now on let's confuse bricky with our nicknames
Also "scattered light, you BROKE"
Sure
As if, broken for a futile reason
if taht scattered light does reffering to mantas... then is it already confirmed that diamond production involving the light creatures?
Me when I see the price of merch:
oH 🙄nOoOoO😭 mAnTA 🥶iS😥 sO 🥺bRoCkEn😈
I-
Well, it could either mean pointless, futile, or senseless, fruitless
It's canon guys
The "in vain" part
there is no point in diamond production?
oH 🧒nOooOOoO🙄 mAnTA💜 cOmmItED🥶 dIE😭
does vain can also mean making everything worse?
You broke in vain
The you can be the elder
Or senseless, a word used is "ridiculous"
Fruitless-
Can we see the 74 more rows
I mean, killing mantas for energy sources is pretty senseless enough to me
But, its not like our world is any better
Well, oil
We originally killed whales for oil
Some ppl kill animals just for their fur
I could name a lot
Creatures in Sky don't have fur,I think
Yeah, but pretty much the same tho
its just an example-
Feather,perhaps
Are mantas just floating flesh
also
what do you think manta capes made of-
Bye Butters
It's just a replication of the real manta-
we went over that earlier
No mantas were killed in the process
Like- are capes not made of ligjt according to that one dev headcanon-
I heard the devs said somewhere that the cape isn't made out of manta

Lmao alternatively that IS a manta and it's just hugging u
this topic again?
even the devs have to say that-
Ok back to poem
Heya Owl- idk I just walked in XD
xD
Which poem were ya'll talking about anyway
whenever I look at these sky shop poems It makes me wanna cry
Same,but it's me looking at the prices
screams in broke
aight but this poem is from the rhythm actor mask pin
A kiss to share in highest highs,
A kiss to bear in lowest lows.
You inspire me everyday.
You encourage me every way.
You are my superstar, my best performance,
My stardust, my northern light
we find this lad near the forest temple... and this poem sounds like a hopeless romantic try to woo their crush....
Whenever I see collectors' edition I cri
That applies to every game I play-
nuuu
lmaooo is this lad have a crush on Teth or what-
You can imagine me screaming when I read that poem
is he representation of player's crushing on forest mama and forcing her to love moths? xD
TGC: Lets make a spirit representing crushes of players
players: instant crush on rythym spirits
Hey don't call me out like that
I've always wondered what these stuff are ..
diamond mold
maybe
you know, there is that one pot in praire temple with scratches on it
they seem... uh... you know...
how did it get there
I had the same thought hhhh,, but there was a bunch of those in the Shipwreck? Like,, why?
Diamond case?
well.. wasteland leads to vault
I consider vault to be um.. kinda important for the diamonds
Memory cubes I guess?
I don’t think they hold memories
Naaah,, memory cubes look different
Or maybe the powering for the elevator
They're the lantern looking things in the archive?
Like the battery for memory cubes
Yeee but what I was asking is what are those gold stuff in the pic above hhh
Containers?
decoration? 
Unlikely, those stuff are found in shipwreck too
They're transported..
hm.. toy know what
Well ark was transporting something
you*
There are factories in wasteland too
Perhaps when ark fell those stuff fell too
There wasn't any of those stuff in ark tho
what was ship used for?
transporting materials, people, what was it doing there, why it crashed... I need to visit it's spirits again. Maybe ill find something in memories
wouldnt it be cool to see memory version of a krill? owo
hm.. it is weird... ship is so big and only these things were in it
I mean- consider that the other realms had their own purposes
Prairie is their agricultural sector and Isle is the transport sector- and likely Isle wasn't fit to build factories on
Valley too- the altitude and the snowy slopes would have caused problems for production
And now idk about Forest on this one but Wasteland being mostly flatlands and presumably forest would have been perfect for a diamond production site- and so close to Eden where the King could oversee it
not to mention Wasteland is freakin huge
and really Forest only had like one factory in it- the Elder's Temple
Where's isle 😔
Hm?
What about Isle?
idk if it was about diamond production probably the realm being too small was also an issue-
I was talking about the gold things in the pic above... 

Someone said they were diamond molds... But if that was the case then wouldn't be more? And most likely be in the GW temple itself? Shipwreck has lots of them and I think when u make something,, u usually mold stuff in the production area hhh
I think they were being shipped off to the factories? From somewhere I guess-
For them to be so accurate and so many tho there might have been a separate factory for it
Probably the oob area u can see in the broken temple area to the left
So diamond containers? But if it was that then wouldn't others also be found throughout all realms since they all use diamond technology?
If it was just the molds then I'm not surprised they're not scattered
Because Wasteland was their primary factory site- the molds were there because that's where they make diamonds
Wait a min,, how can we be sure they're used for diamonds anyway even if they most likely are
But why just in shipwreck tho,,,
Other than a few in the HF temple
Again- there really was just one factory in Hidden Forest right?
In Wasteland, there's several
Oooh ye
Also,, the gold stuff in shipwreck seem to be more detailed than the ones in HF iirc
And if Forest Elder was one of the workers in her own temple then you can be sure that she doesn't break that many molds
Uhh or was I just not staring hard enough
Nor would they need to be easily replaced- or at least that's what I think-
Probably the latter
Anyone ever notice how Forest Elder holds their wrist like it's injured in the beginning of the cut scene?
The smith comes across as a craftsperson. This means a lot more awareness of the task at hand and possibly some custom tools she would never give to a factory worker because they would not be able to use it in the same capacity
it's not selfishness, it's just that sometimes you have a specific use case that you build a tool for but that tool isn't user friendly and only works for you because you are intimately familiar with what you need it for.
Teth have... carpal tunnel syndrom?
That may not be unlikely. Do elders know how to care for their bodies?
we probably don't
then again our lifespan is what, a week? A day?
Plenty of wondering. Drop the theory
That's drop it in the chat not get rid of it
Krills are dead children in Eden that didnt get into their limbo form after their death and slowly transform into voidragons (thats how i call them) and soon begin to wonder places like Golden Wasteland searching for winged light to finally go back to their physical state and regain their concusness, those "winged lights" are us, by their vision. They think we are their winged light. But instead of collecting winged light they instead harm us and we lose our winged light, i can prove this by (maybe) one of the devs (maybe they did say it im not sure who) mentioned that they are just lost beings. Remember it's just a theory.
the one thing that proves this theory wrong (i hope not lol) is that the krills dont collect the visible winged light; like the one in Wasteland's ruins where the krills can clearly see the winged light close to them but not collect them, either their vision cannot detect it or my theory is just wrong 
i like this theory because it represents krill innocence
KRill Innocence
I don’t think Krills have object permanence, just like babies, and babies are innocent, so are krills really just babies in disguise ?
well yes but actually yes
Krabies
my mind jumped to « krills live for millions of years, these krills are only newborns » 
/oh my how big would they be if they stay long enough????
really HECKIN big
/ooor do they turn into the smoke krills
Hihi
heya frost
does anyone have a theory as to why Golden Land is now Golden Wasteland?
id like to hear one
waste is everywhere
with krills or?
Maybe
ikik yeah there was war and all
Or the Eden king * gasp *
like in battlefield
yoooo
maybe it has something to do with Eden?
the problem is, not even the light at Eden is able to illuminate Golden Wasteland
because of the clouds that surround it
True
I believe the definition of wasteland itself kind of gives away some stuff.
Google definition
"an unused area of land that has become barren or overgrown."
"a bleak and unused or neglected urban or industrial area."
they're still lost creatures tho
so you're saying that it was abandoned?
why did everyone there leave though?
and where exactly did they go?
those are the questions
use the Forgotten Ark
In my own opinion based on stuff I've seen
Golden wasteland was an industrial area. The war caused some destructions and eden storm basically gave that place a finale (someone before gave a theory that the rocks from eden explosion fell from above, which explains the holes in the clouds and i noticed that the
spirit memory she is running while tucking her head which makes me believe that theory)
FA is a diff story (in my opinion), has nothing to do with GW
You've seen those statues in Eden
Probably tried to move to somewhere beyond Eden-
Look at the spirit names
There’s a Captain, warrior, soldier, scout, survivor, and a refugee i think
explains why all the spirits there are scared there
Im still theorizing some abnormalities i saw in FA
FA just merchants trying to promote their Walmart shoes but crashed
But roughly the timeline for the ship is most likely before these wars, probably during the eden storm unless a diff storm struck them down
The industrial city of the Golden Land, where the strongest of warriors reside and the most triumphant realms known
try to add something else
I have my theory of FA but after some of the anomalies im kind of thinking of a few more theories of the place itself rather than the people
Forgotten Ark has the perfect name because everyone forgot about it until the
spirit came as TS
maybe something invaded and tried to breach the Vault and then war happened but no sides won
(?)
i knew it before ts came lol
i was playing around at wasteland until i saw the boat
I existed during Enchantment
So I knew too-
unless you're an enchantment skid or a candle runner 
wait wait
Yeah there was definitely 2 sides fighting but my main question is why??
What did each side represent and what did they want
well it's definately something based on light and dark
or...
Valley?
ok thats not possible
ye
Nah i dont trust valley
Just these 2 monkeys


🐵🐵
so maybe an anomaly from Eden attacked or maybe it could have been Krills searching for light to regain their physical form...
valley is probably chilly though haha
Valley
The only place that has yellow snow
since Eden isnt that far from Wasteland and Vault of knowledge is hidden beyond the ruins, im pretty sure it could have been an "Eden anomaly"
the origins of Golden Land that somehow turned it into a Golden Wasteland
Aka eden
Eden rocks
here
there's no proof though
More like an industrial area of power diamonds
Forest is kind of more of a mining place
And factories on the horizon
They're everywhere all the way to battlefield heading to vault and thru eden
whattabout shipwreck
hold on a sec...
either it was just abandoned because of the pollution (?)
but all the spirits there are sneaking, scared, running
maybe they were left there with the krills
and died(?)
im gonna keep using "(?)"
idk courageous soldier was being pretty courageous
its just theory
against a krill
I believe shipwreck was krilled while it was docked. It was supposed to either recieve diamond molds to make power diamonds or ship diamond molds to either diff places of gw / different kingdoms
but did he survive?
That one spirit where the krill spotted them
THE GOLDS
YES YES YES IT IS AN INDUSTRIAL PLACE
I mean. Forest temple is a power diamond factory, gw has bigger factories
I'm braindead 
so we probably got 1 thing solved: Golden Land was an industrial place
Hi braindead, im bored
Forest -> Valley -> Wasteland
wait if forest temple is a power diamond factory, what is prairie
@soft reef
Secondary sector
what
Butterfly shipping
you're saying that Valleymimported things to Wasteland?
and that one place in graveyard with butterflies
Valley is confusing tbh. They seem to focus mainly on entertainment and you can see there are low and high societal classes
how do we know if Valley gave away stuff to Wasteland?
there are no boats in Valley
isn’t there one under ice rink
the cutscene
There is one under the icerink
And there are probs more boats but unseeable cuz of the clouds
Boats can fly with power diamonds
either it did sink
What did you expect from the 2 monkeys that made my flame go poof
@vestal lichen
Except
🐠
butterflies are basically farmed from praire, shipped to forest to mix the butteflies with something else and hence - power diamonds. Then it was shipped all over the kingdom and voila you got power
Have u seen forest temple door? It explains the process
ARE THEY KILLED
Butterfly juice
Wasteland cutscene had the elder shooting our fire to the sky so maybe 49% accidental and 51% opposite
NOOO
i have my theory of the manta grinder in forest but yeh
then graveyard
what about the big whale thing in between valley and wasteland
no mantas but possible fossils of whales (?)
this theory is leaning towards Wasteland good or bad
maybe they just really really big mantas
and they need to live a really really really long time to get that big
Wasteland want to protecc
Graveyard has skulls that belonged to creatures we didn't see. They're sea turtle skull mixed with whale body (hence why @ bluespirit called them Whurtles fan made name).
but fail
wait
Y'all new to lore?
yes yes
Welcome to lore xD
looks kinda like the water prophets mask
dammit i almost forgot that word isnt allowed somehow
Its sea turtle skull
Yeah tbh i think it might be a reference to the whurtles but i need to examine it more 😋
lemme read rules again because im still confused why the word ik*men is censored
Ah its censored
Cuz of #general-sky-discussion iirc some incident happened
Anyways it was censored for a reason
So just try not to bypass censors and such 👌
And let bygones be bygones
I wasn't there when it happened xD
I dont go anywhere except #lore-discussion-spoilers
I dunno

Anwyays, back to lore 
guys guys
where did light children come from
like
winged light
birthed from the light(?)
Let me grab canon doc for u
ohh alr
we just discussed about Wasteland lore for Wolf album long
Nah dont mind i just had to open the link with onedrive
Gnight
night
Lore chat is rather sneepy today huh-
Welp-
Elders are basically children of the light because they were born from the light and fallen down here as well
Also I saw a video of an Eden run from a year ago
Apparently after we go through that gate in orbit and waited through all of the credits we're back in the black room with a shiny boi to get that one wl
I guess because it was too long so the devs shortened the process,just go through orbit gate,wait for the sound and then you get the one more winged light
Cool
No wonder why players at that time said that we should wait through all the credits but I wasted that one time waiting but nothing happened
Guess it was after the update
Also the credits theme was different
King can be incarnated into anything
Krill,manta,whale,wl,anything
huh 👁
I dont how to lore speak-
But have anyone thought about king might incarnate into those fish in little ponds in prairie and home
iirc that only happens for your first eden run
I don't remember going into the room AFTER the credits
But the credits don't have the skip on your first run right???
Or after ascent
you can’t skip anything on your first run
Yeah,but that vid had a skip button
huh weird
I feel like I skipped my first eden run credits because I was afraid my phone was going to overheat
Don't worry I do crackpot theories that have no lore speak whatsoever all the time
Anyways this
It's a crackpot one but totally possible-
Also look at Alex's pfp
ah yeah you can hear the old credits scene/orbit music in the vol 1 ost album
I was interested in the singing and tried to sing as high as Aurora did
Ascension is a place I'd love to explore if it wasn't for the teleportation walls
When you think about it,both light creatures and dark creatures come at us,but somehow light creatures don't do damage to us
I would call whale a neutral creature because its just vibing there
Hey doesn't the wl symbol look like an upsidedown megabird?

In space there is no down, so that may play a role, but upside down can also mean inversion
I do not know if Megabird is orbit but she likely is
Momma Megan may be focused on the big picture and created us to handle details, or we may be something to do the inverse of what the bird does. Or perhaps the inverted symbol is not ours, but rather the col's, and the Col previously was the one who came to the world to collect the energy of the dead to bring back to Her for rebirth

iirc those "unknown signals" are beta remnants
specifically made inactive bc they muddled the story, too
the leftover constellation-looking icons are from beta but the function was removed
Maybe we should make a list of things that were made in beta and are no longer relevant so that lore peeps don't look too much into something without knowing it's just from beta.
Like the holding up candles thing with ppl to see what it does that we did yesterday and end up realizing nothing happens lul
there are the beta memory albums in the pins 
i mean, it depends on what your goal is
if your goal is writing a cool story, there’s nothing wrong with using pre-launch
but if your goal is trying to figure out the « canon » so to speak, then pre-launch is entirely off the table
Alguem me diz,qual o canal que vai mostrar quando for lançar vagas para o beta? Por favor? ;--;
We ask everyone to please post only in English on this server, @slim wing. Unfortunately, moderators and staff aren't able to support all the languages spoken by our global Sky family.
pls
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am i the only person who doesn’t understand the tearful light miner’s story 
the whole story or some parts of it?
to be honest, i don’t really know any of it
i mean, what happened is still kind of debated
Hello Lore Scholars
I think it was once @tender dune who said the honk of the first krill (the one swalloing the small manta) recharged us (if I recall correctly)
I randomly touched the manta the other day (before its doom) and recharged a little my light
So I think it is a proof that Krills' honks are not compatible with our light creature side
@hushed steeple wrong chat ? 
Oh..damn it ...sorry confusing
Is 'darkstone' referencing the same thing as'power diamonds'?
I'm going through the theory vault and trying to understand the difference when they're mentioned
yes some people do use dark stone to refer to power diamonds
the term dark stone originated from concept art, dark stone there would be the equivalent of the power diamonds we have now
Oh ok, thank you
I have a smol theory for darkstone. I think maybe the light miners in forest get light then they also get ||the red rocks from eden|| the forest elder then combines them using their anvil.
This is what i think happened but its only a theory. I think there was a group of 4 miners mining for light the first 2 died after the whale crashed into a building nearby causing a cave in (the whale bones where you get the call). 2 spirits died in the cave in and the Tearful light miner and their last friend made 2 graves for them (the little rock stumps in the cave. The tearful light miners last friend then died and the light miner made a grave for them. Then the light miner died and didnt get a grave.
What's the whole lore of the game?
Oh mai- welcome to lore chat!
and whole lore isn't decided yet though I recommend looking through the pins to see what we've discussed here so far
Maybe just to get the feel of things, because even we don't have a concrete answer for 'what's the whole lore of the game'
the only official lore is "go repeat death 25 times lol" tbh
someone bust out the lore moff doc I beg you- I just woke up
Hello new Lore Moff!
Read this short document to get started! Once you’ve read this, check out pins for more information. stickerHeart
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18B1-SKG3toG0oH0VhOWC5o-cG9u0STAN92QvmbhTDto/edit
Credits to Bricky
Nevermind I found it- anyway, I do suggest reading through this first to get yourself started
Thank uu
Wolfy, even that is debated
It feels like the in-game bell chimes wrongly??? Last one chimed 3 times , but it supposed to be 2 pm PST.
Maybe I count it wrong though.
Could be daylight savings messing things up but idk how daylight savings really works, I just know it's been messing with me in so many other ways I wouldn't be surprised
I (think) I'm late but basically imo the miners were trapped in the cave because those dark plants trapped them in. They didn't have candles or light so they were stuck there. One by one, the tearful miner's friends started dying, until he was the only one left to die last.
Would it be accurate to say that Tearful Light Miner is a goldmine of exposition-
Just the other day their's and their friends' deaths sparked a lot of discussion for how spirits die
well- how the Ancestors died and became spirits anyway-
Ye
So uh I just realized that the elders names are all Hebrew letters with different spellings/pronunciations.
They're not canon names btw
Ik
Mostly we look into them to see if they reveal anything about their character at all
It’s just cool
Nice
Is there a canon measurement for heights for sky kids? Like 5'2 - 6'0 for an example?
skids were like half that the last time someone asked about it iirc
Barely taller than the desks in office
oo
What's average height for a skid
They sound 4 feet lul
So I'm guessing the tollest kiddo is in the 5' range
that also means skykids are between 2 and 7 years old 
I'm guessing their original height is their age, since the resize spell only seems to make the skid taller or shorter-
I mean, physical age
That makes sense
They were their names once, ye
@queen locust their old Hebrew names were never canon at any point
It was mainly a simple placeholder for a while
Are you guys talking about the rhythm end credit scene??
Nope it’s mega bird
Mega bird has the appearance of a bird but they're a deity and created sky chids
Seen in credits and office
Well Megan isnt our mom actually the elders And spirits are
I see Megan as our mom
Cause we're "Children of the Light"
The Light is where we're reborn in Megan, so I see Megan as our skid's mom
Well its your opinion
Ye and I think that's why they're stating it
For me Megan isnt called the light
is there like
a definitive description for the lore prophecy gives us
it seems really open to interpretation
It's been noted that it was the story about the origin of the Kingdom
Or smthn along those lines
We know that much at least
that would make snense
they used the elements to make the kingdoms
i think the King decided
since he beat the trial hi-score
In which everyone has massive respect for his parkour skills lmao
anyone notice the updated isle spirits yet?
I'm on Android so I don't think I'd know since the game updates late for us lel
i'm on android and it just updated
It’s not even in the news section yet but 
I can see the update on ios and android
Patience have some popcorn 
excited 

Is it an update we have to download? Because I don’t see an update available in the App Store.
does the app store have an auto update? otherwise, you might have to wait a bit before it rolls out to your device
I don’t have my phone set to auto-update, if that’s what you mean.
WILL DO
then you have to wait a bit longer for it to show. ios gets live updates after android iirc
I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS D A Y
Ah. I thought it was the other way around, Android getting them late.
it's like that for beta, but in live android usually gets updates first
ios can update, i just updated :p
BRICKY MAY I SEND PICS
I GOT THE PICS-
I GOT THEM AND I AM SHAKING WITH EXCITEMENT
I’m gonna dip out before the swarm comes have fun 🏃
SEE YA LYZE
This is gonna be fun 
It’s a good thing I recorded the old spirit stories this morning 
THANKS FOR THAT
Aight just updated it
finally it's answered- where all of those freaking candles came from-
So much lore
Pointing Pilgrim was a candlemaker-
so happy i rejoined lore chat
WELCOME BACK ON THIS JOYOUS DAY THEN PENGO
BRICKYYYY I GOT THEM-
But im confused about one thing
Or two
What happens to the spirits who go on the boat
Cause they have hairs that are crying and beckoning
i wrote all my thoughts on a tumblr post lemme find it
LET'S GET THIS LORE BALL ROLLING
i’ve either been dicivid or my game didnt auto update
Um
Is that a skykid or a winged light child
wl dont move
Wl also are shiny
oh my megan i need to stop reblogging things i can’t find my own posts
rip
I FOUND IT
AYYYYYYYY
eyyyy
Uh i dont have the update yet i need the apple id password which i am not in posseion of
But pictures are useful
theory: this skykid is the child of light, prince, king, and eden child
This scene practically mirrors the Water Trial mural. We see an 8-pointed star falls to Isle, and next we see a skykid on a boat being sent to the Prophecy Caves. Factoring this in with the depiction of the Child of Light in the intro mural being the same as the child in the Prophecy murals, I believe it is safe to assume that these three children are depictions of the same person. Next, we see the Child of Light completing the Trials and being crowned—either King or Prince, I’m unsure. But one thing is for certain, this child is the Eden Elder. Now, why do I think that ? Well, looking back to the opening murals, we see that the Child of Light falls and becomes the Eden Elder, and in Prophecy we get a more detailed look at how that actually happened. And considering the Eden Elder is likely the King, we can assume that this child is the King. My reasoning for them being the Eden Child is rather simple. Both are opaque white with no features aside from their clothing. By extension, this gets into the Child of Light = Prince = King = Us theory, but for now I’ll leave it at that.
my god I'm so happy that the two weeks are over
why is it always the two weeks in this chat anyway-
Aaaah
I didnt even think of that
Thats so smart and i am going with that now
Also makes sense why they changed it now
is it me or vault lady seemed like a mother figure for prince in the mural
do you guys wanna hear my more outlandish crackpot theory
Yes p l e a s e
IT'S IN LIVE
im making a single image for the prophecy murals but im only like halfway done
Ill probably get some more progress tommrow
IT'S IN LIVE maniacal laughter
IT'S IN LIVE VOLUNTARY
OR SHOULD WE SAY
IT'S ALIVE-
THIS FALLEN CHILD IS A L I V E
eeeep
I GOT THE UDPATE
second theory: Light beings are hollow
This...is certainly more of a stretch. And frankly I see it as more of a headcanon, but I want to share nonetheless.
Now, what do I mean by « hollow » ? Well, maybe this is the Hollow Knight brainrot getting to me, but I believe that beings of light (light creatures, elders, and the child of light specifically) are meant more as vessels for Megabird. They’re basically Her preachers, or Her disciples, or Her acolytes, except they are not given the choice to follow Her, they are made to follow Her and carry out Her wishes. And this theory started when I noticed something. Something very interesting about the Fire Trial mural.
[see attached pictures]
Pay close attention to the Elders (and don’t mind my skykid’s leg). Before the Crowning, they have lines through their bodies like Ancestors do. Now, it would be reasonable to assume that Elders were once Ancestors. But, we know that to not be true. They are Stars, the stars that fell in the intro while Ancestors already existed in Horizon (fanon name for the world of Sky).
My theory is that when the Elders fell, they became disconnected from Megabird, and were no longer hollow. Megabird couldn’t control them in this state, so She sent the Child of Light to make the Elders hollow once more, which is exactly what the CoL succeeded in doing (until the CoL themselves corrupted, but that’s a theory for another day).
Why do I bring this up now ? Well, look at the CoL in the new cutscene. Entirely plain, no thoughts, confused. In a way, hollow.
who is boat person though
Ok if w go with the hair is same spirit thing
I have a theory
So pointing and crying have child beckon
And they want to go to temple
But somehow the boat crashes
And crying goes on to forest to get a job
Point stays and makes candles
Beckon makes friends with reject and finds child
Guys!!! Some spirits have new stories!!!!!!! More LORE!!!
@lethal stump WAIT YOU PLAY HOLLOW KNIGHT
my people
BRICKY ARE WE SURE THAT'S A CRACKPOT THEORY
i don’t play hollow knight but i do watch mossbag so it’s like the same thing /j
heuiwhvuihqweiwe
That's a mood right there
If you noticed, the spirits that have new stories also have different names now
That HK-based theory makes sense though
megabird is the radiance and i won’t change my mind
i cannot and will not believe that it's crack- it makes too much sense-
What? omg :o And also, these new stories are amazing omg I know where skykids came from now
Aren't skykids just tiny in comparison?
in comparison to what ?
Descendants. They could very well be "human" sized
they’re about 2’3–3’11
oh ur talking about hollow knight
we know the orgin of sky kids?
knight is tiny bb too
Literal 7 year old children-
skykids/descendants have been measured
It might be me overanalysing but the idea comes from the whole Elder name thing
and then origin stories of the golem
The Knight is literally a centimetre tall
they're insects
Hi lore chat what's up
golems were made as protectors for jewish villages !
Wait wait do we go into ||orbit|| to go back to the stars???
Golems are literally just anthropomorphized entities made of inanimate matter so it's not like they're just huge
I'm pretty new here yes ;-;
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I've only ever lurked this chat. And thank you! 
I'm willing to make a golem-vessel-kinda-theory
i also have a THIRD theory
Oh wow
about thé COL, and why skykids dont âgé
ignore thé accents, my french keyboard is weird
fancy wording
when you can TELL that Bricky's been waiting too long for this day
Y'all. I was right. Oh my god.
Only light
this one requires me to type, so you’ll have to wait 
i read 
it's all coming together
Hand-on-hip TS + Isle lore update + the Coronation
good lord this is great
(you may ask what the coronation is)
I hope they update more spirits to be more lore-y
Pray tell- what's the coronation Voluntary?
yes
seems like usher is younger in pointy’s cutscene
Is that person in Candlemaker's cutscene Stargazer though
Stargazer?
I personally disagree
idk
(Migrant)
The timeline overlap thou 
Ohhhhh-
they changed the namesss
I rushed too fast to get the pics-
It’s ok we can just say usher and point
Compromise 
There were like 3 ppl here and now there are many
But I do know Pilgrim became Candlemaker
Well
I disagree with the "the students are the same people as the spirits with the same hairstyles"
I don't know why but I just feel like it makes more sense for the students to be completely separate people to me
i have been lurking the chat
Well they are seperate
Hecc- how's it feel to see us the most chaotic of times Local XD
Yes
also tearful seems to be there with usher and pointy
So
my thoughts (fair warning, they went from « semi-plausible » to « headcanon » real quick):
sky puts a lot of stress on how kids are innocent and pure in a way. we are the light in the darkness. thus, i think that’s what the CoL was (when i say CoL i am also referring to the prince/king/eden child/whatever). i think they were meant to be a child, a child who’s age was tied to the aging of the kingdom as a whole.
now what the HECK does that mean
well, basically, as long as the Col is a child, and remains young, the kingdom will not fall, and the kingdom will remain young, pure, and connected as well
but, if the Col grows up, the kingdom will too, and will eventually reach its old age and die with the Col. as the col ages, they’ll become disconnected from the light, which is the snowball that leads to the end of the kingdom
this can also explain why skykids dont age at ALL. megabird realized it was kind of a bad idea to place the existence of a kingdom on a random newborn who fumbled their way through the trials well enough to be called king, so she made skykids perma-kids so they could be infinitely pure and never corrupt
this is
mostly funsies
but
have it 
have it we shall-
also if they were the same spirits, they would show up as ascended in the cutscenes if you’ve ascended them (which i have) but they do not, thus they’re different people
Light-Miner-hair boatperson is too tall to be Light-Miner
YES HOORAY
i unfortunately have to concede-
ooooooo nice theory, Brick
I've ascended a fair bit and none of the ones that could show up here are yellow
Megan?
megabird probably
This is different from HK in that aspect
Ok
radiance but börb
Wait does reject spirt show gold if youve ascended it?
Or is it different even tho it looks the exact same
Absolutely
wait i took vids of the spirits cutscenes
honestly i am glad it’s different from hk that way, if we were the kids of the king..........

N
I was looking forward to you all freaking out over the
descendant birth
and no reject does not appear yellow
then it’s a different person then
...doesmt make sense to be but ok
is there a spirit that has two spirits that are gold in their story
Candlemaker's colleague is probably the student then
I believe
i’d say more than 3 or 5 people exist in isle
I think twirling has gold friends
Ascended Voyager- this ain't the same guy
Aight bye Pengo
Bye
I sure hope this makes people actually acknowledge the spirits and not brush over them
bye
genuinely
also this means i can share my funny lore hahas from beta chat here
will people finally not ignore the spirits
bro I sure hope this makes people not brush off ISLE-
Also if they were the same people then they would be dead cuz of the trial
ushering: isle elder ! this child just fell from the sky !
isle elder: send ‘em to the cave
ushering: but they just got here—
isle elder: did i stutter
I need more spirit fanworks
N
i’d send the other funny hahas but i have to go to dinner
I demand more spirit love
Freaking Isle Elder is a terrible substitute parent
there's no excuses
have a lore moff doc just in case
Okay see ya Bricky
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Bye brick
See you!
I need to finish my cr so bye guys
imagine the spirits just rallying in front of the Isle Elder 'grandpa Daleth- there's this kid that fell from the skies'
Bye Panda
I lurk in lore chat and love reading about what people say
i commit lurk because i cannot explain my theories 
Doot
Doot
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Kokichi
Is
Bacc
chat died
Ok I'll go now chat died when i came anyways-
Anybody gonna talk about the new update's spirits?
Ah ok
WhAt
There’s a link of a lore discussion that are probably canon
I’m still reading it right now-
you mean for the lore moff?
what'
Ok
Ye first link to be shown in the docs


oh
i'm not sure if this has to do with main lore, but i think the scarred mask from the next ts is the result of a krill attack that they survived, i drew an example of what their face might look like in google classroom
I’m concerned what they mean by “we get to wear the king head”
i just think they poked themselves with the umbrella a wee bit too hard
while opening it
Pfft
I’m a bit late but if ur talking about the lightseeker masks, each other their tiny marks represents a tiny message about the realm the spirit is in
For example, the tear mask was a message from the forest realm
Guys the patch update notes contains this :
Revamped the Spirit Memories of the “Point” and “Come” spirits for better story readability, renamed spirits to better reflect their updated stories
Pointing Pilgrim is now Pointing Candlemaker
Ushering Migrant is now Ushering Stargazer
yeah we talked about that earlier
So the pointer was not an artist.. Rather a candle maker?
yes
t a b l e i n c a v e
I’m concerned what they mean by “we get to wear the king head”
@chilly kayak maybe they mean that star looking mask
yo the new cutscene
It was something mentioning about the forest and the vault mask
I don't know how to say but forest have a bit similarities to King or Prince
The mama forest mask is diamond shaped
mhm
Ahh I don't remember why it does have some related thingis
Maybe if that mask were upgraded a bit it can be the Prince mask
Anyway Forest should be hidden or no trespassing area coz there's a lot of dark stone(this is old concept the dark stone no longer appear in game), but Prince or King entered it and found that stone and that stone is powerful.... And..... Hmmm...
Hey I guess before he got that mask, he is a good boy but after he touched that stone he got that mask,,, like corrupting him a bit and a bit until he became corrupted.....
But mama forest already put sign 'NO TRESPASSING'
actually prince’s head is just a diamond/star shape
Aahh I see
Tq for stopping me from being crazy lore maker again
Ouh I should online in my bedtime....
This chat died and tek a nep
it took me a butt load of time searching for this skdbsbdbd
Who's the kid in the new "come" emote spirit story?
A child of light? A descendent?
It's you, moth
Aah, does that mean canonically, that's the first spirit you, the player, encounter?
They just want to tell the story before you wake up....
There's a theory it's the king/prince
Yes
Wasteland was once ruled by a prince and got corrupted
Or, this is it we will guide Prince imprint this time....
this is late, but what do you mean by this ?
No
You work from tgc?
Who
You, duh
I think it's the prince, but there's no further confirmation
i mean daleth did just sent them to the cave
Beeg brain
then i have 2 other theories
light beings are hollow: #lore-discussion-spoilers message
why skykids dont age: #lore-discussion-spoilers message
i have a theory if you’re willing to read a paragraph or so
I am
the fallen kid’s identity: #lore-discussion-spoilers message
Has there been a discussion about an elder in Eden or something?
Wow
look at all these moffs.....
@lament folio
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But wasn't the eden elder existing before the skykids?
yes
And by the height of the eden elder depicted in statues, I don't think it's the skykid who is king
i have a theory about that too, 606 !
lemme just
slap all my theories into one message
oH
Ooh this is interesting
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the fallen kid’s identity: #lore-discussion-spoilers message
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why skykids dont age: #lore-discussion-spoilers message
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light beings are hollow: #lore-discussion-spoilers message
read them in this order
doesnt that mean prince aged?
I have been lurking but gnight
Also about Skykids not aging, Speed of light = 0 time meaning that time doesn't change in the speed of light due to time dilation iirc
That's what i think
Does the sky world have a concept of time
Since they're light. I guess
Makes sense-
Well Skykids have light meaning they're carriers so that must affect them
theory: sky realms are on pause forever meaning eden is in the middle of combusting
Is this why there's no day-night cycle? Interesting
idk its just a theory
It's interesting nonetheless
i seem to have a theory for everything, bc i have a theory for how time works in sky 
Time Loop Theory
#lore-discussion-spoilers message
The next words of that phrase are "to raise a child"
Awhhhh it's a bit Korean style
... child of light, or maybe us? kinda hopin us tbh
Yeyy Korean style for next seoson
I NEED ANSWERS AND NOT ABOUT THE KING
DIDNDNFN GUYS NEW TEASER
Has anyone seen the new memories ????
Megabird: Be not afraid
No, because I'm still trying to make the spirits load
Here we go again
what
new teaser
prepares for slowmode
NEW TEASER EVERYONE
here we go again
what in krill name is happening
Hahahahahaha
WOOOOOO
WakEY WAKEY
h o l y
AKXNSXS
Wh-
What
RISE BRETHREN
AHAT IS THAT
its time for me to backs away abit
There's a Shamisen!
omg, there's a scarf
It's not prophecy anymore
Ok but gratitude cape doe?!?
Aye it was me
THEY'RE IN VALLEY AHHHHH
OH GOD ITS HAPPENING
Tgc: gives teaser
Everyone in the lore chat: aggresively typing
EIBFNDDJ
Oh heck y’all peep the fluffy guy at the end
hhhhhhhhhh
Just taking a break from daily routine and go to a village of Korean and eat Kimchi Tteobokki
HERE WE GO AGAIN
Ok but weird thing about the girl in the middle
FLOOF MAN
fluffy guy
CJAJDKDJ ABOMINABLE SNOWMEN IN SKY LMAOOO
YESKWKSNDJD
The two in the no cave are not as friendly as they used to be
guys ya know that might be an ice sculpture 
Like the mask
huh
is it me or does she kind of look familiar
And the cape
atleast its not as crazy as the prophecy's teaser
Hmmm that skarf gonna be a complete costume for anybody that want bunny costume
She looks like a default moth
There's a spirit orb in it though
The blue light thingy
Yeah, looks like a moth
I think prophecy was crazier because of the
Okay we don't see any weird guys coming here
Origin thing
Although. She doesn't seem like she's short
Close the doors to this channel for dark secrets will be revealed
Oh but I see the lady in the gratitude cape wearing a mask
OH
PANTS
AGaiN
RED PANTS
Bunny mask
So there's red pants
Already in gratitude
fluffy capes
AAAAA
a hat, a guitar and a scarf cape
Pants. You mean PANTS'S?
But
There's also a scarf
with bunny mask 2