lore-discussion-spoilers

[thin dirge]

They were kinda the first person to get on one knee to ask for our light, lol

[gilded fossil]

/nice one

/the other one rips it in front of us

[thin dirge]

That's why I thought that twin is the "right brain"

Having the bright idea of stealing our light

[gilded fossil]

/rude tho, smh, just like teth

/hey so they use the mechanical hand corect?

[thin dirge]

I mean, the hand that's not mechanical is their dominant hand

It matches the headcanon of the twin being the left and right brain or something

Porcupine is right, Dora is left. Matches their dominant hand

[gilded fossil]

/wait iirc in the cutscene they use the paddles with their mechanical hands

[thin dirge]

Ooh, true...

Wait, do they?

I need to check-

[gilded fossil]

/wait we need to yea, lemme fetch a yt video real quick

[thin dirge]

Too late, watched it

Spikey boi actually uses their right hand a lot in the cutscene

Though, they used their mechanical in the beginning

Not sure about Dora tho

[gilded fossil]

/so they are getting used to the mechanical thing

[thin dirge]

I guess they both practiced with both hands, making them kinda of ambidextrous?

But of course, there should be a time where they didn't have a mechanical hand, so I guess their non-mechanical hand would most likely be their dominant hand for some time until they decided to get used to the other hand

Woah, I said hand a lot

[meager canyon]

Hahaha is it canon they have a mechanical arm?

[gilded fossil]

/not sure, but it is prosthetic

[queen locust]

You could check the cutscene for Orbit- iirc that's where it showed up?

and heck it's cool-

[meager canyon]

Which one?

[gilded fossil]

/where what shows up?

[queen locust]

The one where you complete their constellation?

I dunno, that was what it looked like the last time it was brought up

[meager canyon]

Also, fun fact if you touch the spirits in the cutcene with them, you get extra WL and wax so touch em as much as you can.

(I'm not a creep I swear-)

[willow shoal]

[gilded fossil]

/the wax appears but it doesnt count

/so does the wls

[meager canyon]

Yeah. They do

At the end of orbit they give you WL so you start with more than 1

[gilded fossil]

/ah that

[queen locust]

That's- just a thing that happens

[gilded fossil]

/we're talking about orbit

/ooops

/sorry

[meager canyon]

Yeah but I didn't know it until my friend told me so like- I wanted to educate others if they didn't know

[queen locust]

Merits of beating the game first before jumping into the spoiler channel- you know how stuff works ahead of time

[meager canyon]

Haha I didn't join the discord until I went into eden the 5th time

Also I've never been to the spoiler channel-

[queen locust]

this is the spoiler channel I was talking about akakajskajka-

[meager canyon]

Oh udhfhrindjdj

Looks like I don't know this discord very much BC I thought there was a channel only for spoilers akakkakakakkakahsusns

[queen locust]

It's okay you can normally just tell by the channel names if they have spoiler in the title dude

[meager canyon]

Oof

Any way- back to lore

[solar relic]

they may not look the same but they give off the same vibes

i think i saw discussion here some time ago about how the various realm portals are in the shape of candles. i've been wondering the meaning of candles in that context

[thin dirge]

Well, candles are used for... well, light

They're used as natural holders of the flame, that's how I saw it

[solar relic]

hm

[thin dirge]

That's why candles are somewhat significant in Sku

Sky

[solar relic]

sku

[thin dirge]

Since Flame was so important in the concepts, I saw candles as sacred/significant because they can hold the Flame/Light

In a way, candles signify connection in Sky

Instead of it just being the flame

We use it to buff firendship trees, and gain connection with spirits (when we trade for stuff from spirits, our candles become hearts for the spirit, something I've noticed when buying)

[rapid juniper]

Yes

[gilded fossil]

/oh?

[thin dirge]

Also, the Light literally gives us candles as a gift

[gilded fossil]

/since when candles become hearts for the spirits?

[thin dirge]

Notice when you buy stuff, and the candle goes to the spirit, a heart icon appears on the spirit

[gilded fossil]

/is that intentional or did they just reused animation?

[thin dirge]

True...

Seems like a placeholder, actually

But it could still be intentional

[undone harbor]

Anything could be a big candle

[gilded fossil]

/even the mantas

/all you have to do is believeeeeeeee

[undone harbor]

we are candle-shaped

wait no we are more lantern-shaped

[bitter shale]

aight but why only prairie temple entrance that have soft wind wall-

[thin dirge]

WOAH, IM IN EDEN AND I JUST SAW SOMETHING

I SAW A STATUE FALL OVER-

Like, the big statue in the point of no return-

Dang, if only I recorded that-

You know, one of those Scholar Statues-

It freaked me out when I saw it-

[hushed steeple]

BUTTERFLY GO BACK TO EDEN SACRIFICE YOUR CHILDREN FOR US

[livid valley]

You have children

?

Sacrifice

[dense lagoon]

Hello!

I have a big big dissapointment with Tgc with something, where I can get people to complain or something to tgc?

[meager canyon]

I'm sorry?

You can send feedback to
#live-feedback

[short owl]

This is also a lore chat. You may want the questions chat #questions-and-help

[tender dune]

You dont have to go take a picture again butterfly. the scholar statue has always been like that. Its triggered to fall when u reach those 3 statues. the image in the link i sent before belong to the statue head split in half
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[meager canyon]

But, it may be a bug, so don't send hate immediately. So you can send it to #report-a-live-bug

If you have ideas, or something to improve the game, send it to #wishlist-and-ideas-archived

Anyway, what we talking bout?

[undone harbor]

Is going to eden continuously with 6 wings for lore research a good idea

Like I reborn with 6 wings already so

[thin dirge]

It was my first time seeing it, so it freaked me out and I thought I was hallucinating for a moment-

[meager canyon]

Hahahaha what

[thin dirge]

I brought it up here cause I thought it may be lore related

Honestly, I don't think its a bug

[tender dune]

its not a bug, its more aesthetics

[thin dirge]

There's something I noticed about our skid when we sacrifice our winged light, mainly in the last part

It's an interesting detail I haven't noticed till now

[bitter shale]

i lagged badly in eden so yeah i didnt have time to enjoy the scenery

[meager canyon]

Yeah what is it?

BTW, heyo flos

[bitter shale]

ellooo

[thin dirge]

I was running, trying to get to the statues at the endless rain part and I was starting to get kinda annoyed at how I kept falling over because of the rocks and lost so many WL because of it

[bitter shale]

tbh same

[meager canyon]

Yeah

[thin dirge]

But when I was getting closer and having less lights, I noticed that I stopped falling over and just keep running even with how much rocks hit me.
I also noticed our skid runs even faster than usual

Like, literally zooming

[bitter shale]

huh-

now thats interetsing

[meager canyon]

Really? It seems slower.

[thin dirge]

Well, it seems like that because of the rocks hitting you

But our skid actually appears to run even faster than how we usually run

[bitter shale]

seems like they already went 'screw it, i might be dead but i wont die in vain'

[thin dirge]

They're running out of desperation

Desperation to reach the statues in time

[bitter shale]

even pain wont slow them anymore

[thin dirge]

Because our skid knows they're running out of lights

So they're just rushing through to make it to all of them in time

It breaks my heart that I ran out of WL for the very last statue at the end...

But its a subtle detail that shows more of our skid's character, and honestly, it makes me emotional for the poor kid

[bitter shale]

meanwhile me frantically running around blindly while wishing to get at least 10 candles-

[thin dirge]

There's also other subtle signs of our skid showing character, like the hunched position when they reach to the last corridor before entering the point of no return

[bitter shale]

i thought it was because of wind?

[thin dirge]

No, there's absolutely no wind in the last corridor

[bitter shale]

we can still hear it tho

wooo wooo

uh

maybe i should go there again

[thin dirge]

Yeah, but it would be shown on our skid

Like, breeze going through them

But there's absolutly no sign of that

[tender dune]

did anyone make any theories about the chanting we hear before entering stormlock?

[bitter shale]

oh yea

[thin dirge]

Chanting..?

[bitter shale]

well it might sounds like a wind cries

but if you listen closely

its sound slike someone singing in a very deep voice

hoooo hooo

[tender dune]

more like a bunch of people chanting

[thin dirge]

Does someone have a video recording of this?

[bitter shale]

sealing chant?

[tender dune]

i do

[thin dirge]

Cause I dont think I heard that, and I've just been to Eden

[bitter shale]

please gink, share it

[thin dirge]

Yeah

[tender dune]

let me shorten it vid might be too large

[thin dirge]

[bitter shale]

okie

take your time

[thin dirge]

Also, in the last corridor

Our skid also stops looking at the WL

That's the only place they stop looking at the WL

[bitter shale]

okay i will go to the last corridor

cya later in 30 minutes or more lamo

[tender dune]

i think my skid looked at the wl there once before, but now it ignores them

[bitter shale]

lmao

[thin dirge]

Our skid will always look at the WL, always, except for the last corridor before the point of no return

[tender dune]

i know, but mine looked at all of the ones in the corridor once before

[thin dirge]

Wait, really?

[tender dune]

once, i dunno how it happened. thought could be a bug

[thin dirge]

Probably, my skid never looks at them

I think

[median stone]

Even a bug can give a big impact to the lore.... Just like butterfly effect??

[thin dirge]

Maybe?

Well, I don't think they would be canon-

[median stone]

Anyway I'm not really sure what is that butterfly effect mean?
Is it about something little thing have done wrong and the effect give us big impact?

[meager canyon]

They don't look at them,,,,
Now we just need to know what is "them"

[hushed steeple]

Wl

Winged light

[meager canyon]

Yes but what is the winged light?

[thin dirge]

Well, the butterfly effect, is pretty much a small event can create a big impact

[hushed steeple]

I think there fallen stars as said at the beginning of the game??

[thin dirge]

Its called the butterfly effect because of the example used to explain the phenomenon, which mainly has a butterfly.

[median stone]

It just a bug I think.... If our child do not look at it, it seem so cruel?

[tender dune]

to be more specific our skid isnt looking at the body of the shiny child. its only looking at the (you can see it following the icon)

[hushed steeple]

Mhm

[lone hull]

Funeral song/chanting

[tender dune]

the only weird thing i find is my skid always looking at the same place when i enter sanctuary

[hushed steeple]

Mhm weird

[thin dirge]

When you go to the point of no return, the description for the area says
"Return the light of the Fallen"

[median stone]

Ouhhh yeshhhhhh ginko

[lone hull]

horn

[thin dirge]

So the WL actually came from the statued descendants...

[tender dune]

eden chanting sound

[hushed steeple]

Yea whats that all about

[meager canyon]

I'm still with the theory that the WL are imprints of the prince,,,, memories maybe.

I believe that that one winged light was a hurtful memory.
The rest of them in the corridor are tiring and hard memories, but they weren't that bad that the skids couldn't look at them

[median stone]

Everytime we landed in that floating island our child always look at the island...

[tender dune]

im not sure if its looking at the island or something in that island

[hushed steeple]

Holy God eden is scary

[tender dune]

its a bit clearer when u wear the bird mask

[meager canyon]

What island?

[tender dune]

sanctuary

[meager canyon]

Oh

[median stone]

Ouh that chanting sound creepy I guess?

[hushed steeple]

Yup

Who is the prince again?

[median stone]

Ouh it's the prince

[meager canyon]

Read the official doc.

[thin dirge]

Wait, our skid always look at the island in Sanctuary?

[hushed steeple]

I cant find the doc

[tender dune]

ill take a picture if i go there again

[meager canyon]

Ahhhhh somebody send the doc's
Link

[median stone]

Wait, our skid always look at the island in Sanctuary?
@thin dirge yes...everytime you landed inside the cave of floating island usually when I was collecting the wax from that dark plants....

[tender dune]

the chanting reminds me of the picture of vault cutscene of the king holding the orb and everyone down there praying. i think its like a small 'reminder' of their chanting

Hello new Lore Moff!
Read this short document to get started! Once you’ve read this, check out pins for more information.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18B1-SKG3toG0oH0VhOWC5o-cG9u0STAN92QvmbhTDto

Credits to Bricky for making this

[hushed steeple]

Thanks

[median stone]

Because of our darken heart, we always assume that this game have dark secrets....

[hushed steeple]

So prince is a elder or husk

[hushed steeple]

It does

[meager canyon]

No, its a title along with the king, they are canon and are not directly seen in the game, but can be proven due to slight evidence

[hushed steeple]

Cool

[median stone]

Ouhhh that chanting sound mostly like men's voices?

[meager canyon]

We don't know much about them, and some people even suspect they are the same

[hushed steeple]

The chanting could just be echos of krill sounds

[meager canyon]

I can't hear it... What does it say?

[median stone]

Ouh okay echoes

[meager canyon]

Its possible those are the fallen's soul calling for help idk

[hushed steeple]

Yea

[median stone]

Its possible those are the fallen's soul calling for help idk
@meager canyon like mostly in horror games where the hands from hell asking for help.... Iyyuuewwww! Everytime I see that animation durrrrhhhhhh

[hushed steeple]

Lol

[meager canyon]

Hm

[tender dune]

to me it sounds humanoid

krills sound a bit mechanical / lion growl

[hushed steeple]

Yea

[hushed steeple]

I'm going with this

[median stone]

krills sound a bit mechanical / lion growl
@tender dune yes I want to say about that at first but echoes it can be.... But i do think that it's not the echoes

[hushed steeple]

Mhm

[tender dune]

we can barely hear the krill when we pass it in the first corridor thats why i doubt it

[median stone]

U can hear the the loudest when u near too the stairs in that pipe in Eden...

[hushed steeple]

True

[median stone]

I mean the krill sound

[hushed steeple]

Yup

Well ill be back im going to candle run now cya later guys

[pseudo heart]

hhhhhhh so what's the lore menu for today

Oh

Krill sounds?

[median stone]

The Chanting Of Death...

[tender dune]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

^for ali

[median stone]

That's our special menu for today

[pseudo heart]

I forgot what they sounded like hhhhh,, I play sky mostly on mute and ESPECIALLY in GW and Eden

[median stone]

It sound like uuuuuummmmmmmmuuuuuuuuuuuuuwwwwuuuuuuu

[pseudo heart]

But good god

[median stone]

Right?

[pseudo heart]

I just watched the video and it all comes back to me why I play those maps on mute hhhhh

[median stone]

Magad

[bitter shale]

butter

seems like we cant change stance in last corridor as well?

or is it just me?

[pseudo heart]

Oop,, looks like I have to nyoom to eden tomorrow hhh good thing I haven't collected my wl there

Oh

[bitter shale]

my skid keeps in this stance, no matter how many timw i try to change the stance

and i went to eden in regular stance

[pseudo heart]

That's brave stance?

[bitter shale]

looks like they did hunched a bit... like their cape is kinda like proctecting us

no its not brave

[pseudo heart]

Or am I just blind

Oh it's not

[bitter shale]

i legit told you

[pseudo heart]

Don't mind me I have poor eyesight and bad memory hhhhhh

This is what I exchange for brain juice

[bitter shale]

apologize for the background sounds

they keep in the same stance

[pseudo heart]

Iirc u can't rlly change stances in eden tho??

Since we walk in that REALLY hunched form??

[bitter shale]

but this is in the corridor, there is no wind here

[undone harbor]

uh what are we talking about

[bitter shale]

while it makes sense if we cant do stances outside because of wind

[pseudo heart]

There probably is, probably what's causing the weird sounds

[bitter shale]

you can see my skid cape. no fluttering, no wind passing

it still in the same shape

[pseudo heart]

Hmmm

But u can see particles

Literally blowing through?

[undone harbor]

maybe it's windy there by default

[bitter shale]

oh yea when i try walking my legs and arms kinda glitched out teh cape

it does makes impression that our skid does hunched there

[tender dune]

the dust particles follow you around from the start of eden (game mechanics)

[pseudo heart]

There MUST still be wind but not as much as outside or in stormlock

[bitter shale]

like trying to protecting themselves

[undone harbor]

or maybe changing stances won't benefit us anything at this point

default stance,ready to run

[stable sentinel]

i hope i dont ruin you guys moments but, since i played sky and saw krill tackle innocent sky childrens, why did krill do that? was krill a childrens sky too, but then got angry/mad and become darkness like that because of the other sky childrens did too them? what did the sky childrens do until making the krill gone mad, getting revenge and tackle us?

[pseudo heart]

Because our skid knows or can sense the dangers beyond the hall,,,? (i mean as if eye of eden doesn't literally spell DANGER from the start) hh

[stable sentinel]

alright bye now that was dumb-

[undone harbor]

darkness attack light so-

[tender dune]

krills are dark creatures (called dark dragons). all we know is they want to eat the light (aka any light creatures - including us). you can make your own theories about them

[undone harbor]

there are so many theories on the krill and why they attack
you can make your own too

[bitter shale]

also yea our skid didnt look at wls in last corridor as well

[median stone]

U know what..

At the end of world, we didn't care about all of those characteristic we've got in our normal lives

[stable sentinel]

oooohh, make sense

[left root]

In that corridor the stance it is like that. I use the penguin cape in there and I looked like a literal 🐧

[pseudo heart]

aaaaaaaaaaa I have to sneep I'm literally just running on 0 brain cells rn,,,, goodnight theorists ! Have fun with the lore

[left root]

It's the default stance for the corridor

[undone harbor]

the normal stance seems like the most suitable stance for running idk
maybe something the devs forgot to edit

[stable sentinel]

goodnight!! have a well sleep

[tender dune]

when 2 krills charge at you, and you lose light once the other one stops attacking (like a reset). same with if u lose light from the ooze while a krill charges at you (note: charge not as in its attacking u but as in locked in on u)

[median stone]

Yea everyone will keep their normal stances as they woke up as a baby in home space... Or in old version, we woke up in unknown Isle...

[bitter shale]

oh yea

when i lost my light (but not wl) because of krill, the krill didnt have blue spotlight until i charged my light

[undone harbor]

imagine running then stopping with your hand holding your other hand
it's quite impractical

[pseudo heart]

Hold up,,, oh???

Unknown isle,,, isle of dawn?

[median stone]

Yes

[pseudo heart]

👁️👁️👁️👁️👁️

[undone harbor]

oof lore chatting sneeping again

[median stone]

Yes

[tender dune]

anyone had any theories about the elements? Where they came from and such

[median stone]

They came from Megan?

As Megan create this world?

[hushed steeple]

What does this mean in sanctuary islands?

[lethal stump]

@hushed steeple it’s a bug, probably an asset file showing up where it doesn’t belong

[broken basin]

I think it's a bug

[hushed steeple]

Oh

Ok

[thin dirge]

Well, the skid stance in the last corridor definitely proves my point about our skid being frightened, changed or exhausted after going through the crazy stuff in Eden

[tender dune]

Us looking at the island/ or what's in the island for all i know

[thin dirge]

Looks like they're looking at the Sanctuary, in awe of its beauty or something

[tender dune]

We all assume the Col look at eden, but what if they're looking at the people back in their day?

[hushed steeple]

What do you mean

[tender dune]

Whether they're talking to the elders or ancestors. But we just assume they're looking at eden??

[hushed steeple]

Oh

[thin dirge]

Honestly, ppl say they look at Eden, but they seem to look at other places from afar rather than Eden

Like the one on top of the big Isle cave

Its looking on to the left side rather than straight on to Eden

[tender dune]

And in some places they're looking the other way instead of eden

[hushed steeple]

I think they are just looking ahead to the next obstical

Or looking at what they just overcame

[thin dirge]

It could be random...

Idk

[half vapor]

I have finish Sky yesterday, so i don't really know if some one had already notice it but...

It was a great ending

[hushed steeple]

Mhm

[half vapor]

It was made by Gustave Doré. Angel and Heaven

[thin dirge]

Ooh

[hushed steeple]

Mhm

I seee

Mhm

[lethal stump]

sky does take inspiration from various religions so

[hushed steeple]

Lol

[lethal stump]

I’d say lots of people, considering not everyone knows who Jesus is or are Christian

[half vapor]

It's only a question about imagery and art, i juste share it because i really love Gustave Doré
I will read your post for learning more about the lore of this game !

[hushed steeple]

Anyone want to discuss this?

How do these gayes work?

0-0

Really

Btw im new to lore

Have you ever wondered why therse lightning in eden

Cuz I don't see any when I'm actually there

Or im just blind

[lethal stump]

it’s possible that when we’re in eden, we’re actually in that beam so we can’t see it

[tender dune]

There is at the ascending part

In this place you see the lightning

[half vapor]

What's your opinon about this scene ?

Sorry i interrupt every one 😅

[tender dune]

Dm its lore thats how we chat hh

I had my theory about it tbh but its just one my many theories. Let me find my link

[half vapor]

Thank you

[tender dune]

dark room theory
https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/632004389137154048/755851636731150428

My base theory is we're half half

If you notice even the way when we're like this. We're holding our chest (the empty hole) and seeking a lightsource (in this case the shiny child)

Yes

You even recharge full when you hug your friend. My guess is its because our lightsources/hearts touch

It used to be a bit more golden but its now white

iirc

See you whenever 👋

[solar relic]

ginko you're back????

[dawn apex]

Like this?

[tender dune]

Half half.since season ending

But guess ill.be fully back when season ends

[solar relic]

also i'd like to think that glowing child is kind of the source of all our wl tho it's a long story ahaha

[undone harbor]

that glowwy child isn't glowing anymore,just white ;-;

[solar relic]

i have no better name for it 😔

[rancid phoenix]

wait, so if that glowey boy is your heart

how come they also count towards the number of WL you see at the end of ||Orbit||

I did an Eden run without saving any statues and I still had a single child show up at the end

[pale gate]

Some say that kid is the light part if the king while their dark part is somewhere lost into the storm

[solar relic]

i think that the light kid is the king too

i have a theory that the child of light (the one at the very beginning of the intro) = the kid we see in eden = king = us

[hushed steeple]

Ooo

[willow shoal]

[keen kettle]

So I did exploration day, this time in forest and valley.

The things I found are not as groundbreaking as the symbol of light, but still, there are some interesting details. Plus a theory on the pots.

Also, the locations may have been far greater before the cataclysm than we may see or believe now.

[willow shoal]

[keen kettle]

Of course, as usual, i come with photo evidence

[median stone]

Ur name so funny prophet of vitamin c

[pastel brook]

I haven't been this scared since my creator got stuck in someone's basement

[median stone]

Hahahaahha

[fair pond]

Omg skybot

ARE YOU OKAY

[keen kettle]

I'll start with a neat segway from yesterday's topic on prairie. As we concluded, praire gathered light and sent it further up. The meaning of the symbol of light gaclve some clarity of how the society itself may have functioned.

So now we have confirmation that forest at the very least was a passage way for these boats, mind you, powered by crystals. Crystals allow levitation as we see in platforms, bridges, boats and even spirits in vault.

The first new detail, I have found was these spirit memories. Spirits hiding from rain and feeling cold, may imply that rain has been a problem even when thebplace flourished. So the rain may not have any connection to the eye of eden itself. It's a natural event. The rain also may be thebrason why the architecture on forest is particularly badly aged.

[hushed steeple]

Agreed

I think the pots were used to transport light to mabye the capital?

[willow shoal]

the king is on it ~

[median stone]

They respect king u know

[hushed steeple]

What is the king symbol

[keen kettle]

The next detail, are the structures that are hard to reach. In reality items like wood or paper. Organic things tend not to withstand the time. A high chance is that forest may have been riddled with wooden bridges, shelters and so on. It also leads to believe that society here was not of high class, and most likely were gatherers.

[willow shoal]

So?

[keen kettle]

Note that the spirit in 3rd and 4th picture crosses the gap, implying this to be true.

[hushed steeple]

True

[willow shoal]

I think the Chinese lore doc could help u

https://docs.google.com/document/d/107rKIxyCXZxFBaJHxO6hiyW_IRuRbS9iwWJjFLefa_I/edit

[hushed steeple]

I cant read Chinese

[median stone]

Does Chinese and global lore in same discussion I'm just curious

[willow shoal]

It has the translation

[hushed steeple]

What do you think the circular things are pipes or tunnels?

[willow shoal]

I think so

[keen kettle]

Another minor detail, that may be witnsessed only in this memory are ths fact, that the ancestors did have books. The reaction of the spirit here implies, that thei did have eastern stabdarts of apology, or even a ckass system. Scolars may be held in high regard.

[median stone]

I guess that is tunnel

[hushed steeple]

Yea scholars probably have a high status

[median stone]

Uhhh he have book

[keen kettle]

The bones in GW graveyard are not the big fishes. The skull of this creature as well as the honk gained, implies that this belongs to the big fish. Skulls in GW are vastly different. The graveyard in GW is for different creatures, possibly turtles.

The creature may have crashed in a building here.

[hushed steeple]

Mhm

[median stone]

How about the trees

[hushed steeple]

this thing?

Ok

So there are multiple fishes?

Cool

[keen kettle]

Different pots may have had different functions. Light holding pots are specific in design. Learning what each pot held, may lead to better understand as to what resources besides light, wood, stone and water the ancestors used, and answer some questions.

Note how a butterfly filled pot glows, whilst an emptied one glows dimmer.

[hushed steeple]

True

[willow sparrow]

[hushed steeple]

Do you think the other recourse could be water? Is it Essential to the survival of spirits?

[willow shoal]

[keen kettle]

The valley and the forest temples have unique symbols on them. They may imply either function of the building, or a crest of family, that owned the larger infrastructure of the area, as those are the only places that have these.

[hushed steeple]

One looks like the anubis mask

[willow shoal]

these are the elders’ mask

or symbols

[gentle sparrow]

there was something being said about the forest mama-
it was in the concept arts, as i remember

about the mask on the gate

[hushed steeple]

Hm

[gentle sparrow]

aaaaa im about to break the search panel
i just can't find it

[latent tendon]

This early art right?

[keen kettle]

The meditation stones (rock piles) could have served as a way to remember passed ones on the go. Not everyone may have had the tools to comemorate, thus simpler methods may have been used. In adition, darknes can latch on living beings and drain them. Rendering it dangerous and problematic. Another note, memories are not spirit resting places. In the memory were 4 spirits, but only 3 graves. The spirit that survived tells the memory.

[willow shoal]

yea

Tearful Light Miner

[hoary violet]

Any headcanons about this island

[hushed steeple]

Idk

[gentle sparrow]

ok i found itt---
the thing about the forest temple gate

[willow shoal]

oh, it’s where the intro take place

[latent tendon]

Ok so it has to be that the symbols mean something that used to exist because they were in early art and are still mentioned in the current structure of the respective temples

[willow shoal]

It’s where the intro scene taken place

but u can’t go there now

devs added wind barriers

[latent tendon]

Can u somehow rocket or swirl there?

[keen kettle]

Cave is enigmatic, but due to seclusion and vague purpose, I am leaned towards a religious purpose. However there may be an answer to that in the future, as there is a sealed, inacessible door. Another idea may be an alternative route for boats. But no boats are seen in the area.

[gentle sparrow]

so it's just the game physics :P

[willow shoal]

Too many screenshots...

[keen kettle]

This and the symbol of mantanin praires village indicates that ancients may have domesticated the larger animals for easier transportation. Their regard for light creatures has been noted.

[willow shoal]

oops

[gentle sparrow]

well, i suppose you can't..
No matter how high you go you can't go over the wind barrier in home
I tried it before and it took me 7 mins to realize that

[latent tendon]

Oh right wait take a look at this, they are probably made of the same stuff. And both are sort of corpses

[willow shoal]

it’s jelly symbol

[keen kettle]

Last one from forest, I have not found purpose for this particular item. This is the only place where it appears. Note, it is missing a crystal.

Any thoughts so far?

[willow shoal]

not only, limeleaf

we have seen it in the Upper Swamp Wasteland too

[keen kettle]

Oh yes by the GW ship.

[willow shoal]

and the shipwreck

[keen kettle]

But the function stillnis unclear.

[latent tendon]

Any screenshots about the surroundings?

[willow shoal]

no, it’s quite clear according to the tom zhao’s art

[keen kettle]

I will visut GW tomorrow.

Please share, Aqua.

[willow shoal]

they are parts of the Diamond machine

[keen kettle]

But what does the machine do?

[willow shoal]

PRODUCE DIAMOND

[latent tendon]

Maybe the are a part of the ancient power in HF, but after facing the wrath of time, they cannot be activated again?

[willow shoal]

I think u can have a look at the Tom Zhao’s art pieces

[latent tendon]

Where can I find Tom Zhao's art?

[willow shoal]

we aren’t sure, but it isn’t entirely broken

as it is activated after the temple scene

[keen kettle]

It doesn't create Diamonds. It refines them, by the art.

[latent tendon]

So it activates after the cutscene?

[keen kettle]

This does settle one things. Forest templenis responsibel for physical resources and diamonds. Prairie is responsible for gathering light.

[willow shoal]

no

it used to combine the light and DS

[latent tendon]

Eden is said to be the source of diamonds?

[willow shoal]

to produce diamonds

[willow shoal]

Who told you?

[latent tendon]

I dont remeber the name but it was
Discussed here some time ago

[willow shoal]

Source of diamonds is from Dark stone

[keen kettle]

refine

/rɪˈfʌɪn/

Learn to pronounce

verb

gerund or present participle: refining

remove impurities or unwanted elements from (a substance), typically as part of an industrial process

[willow shoal]

Light Power +Dark Stone =Diamond

[latent tendon]

Where is dark stone found?

[keen kettle]

Perhaps.

[willow shoal]

forest

omg, have you guys seen the lore moff doc?

[keen kettle]

I do think, it is mined. Miners have been seen in at least 2 memories. In forest they are mined, whilst in prairie and isle, miningbwas perhibited.

[latent tendon]

Also boats use PD too

Yup I have

[keen kettle]

Yes, as I mentioned Em

[willow shoal]

[latent tendon]

Sorry I came like at 22:40 so I didn't see i think

[keen kettle]

I also have material on Valley, if you like me to share.

[willow shoal]

Boats used to transport water/pots/ice/etc

[latent tendon]

Also id like to share a theory i made about wasteland

[keen kettle]

And mainly, light

[willow shoal]

Pots contained light, right?

[keen kettle]

Yes, but not all of the pots. Each pot, depending on shape, may have had a specific purpose

[willow shoal]

The ancients liked to store butterflies’ light into the pots

[keen kettle]

Butterflies and light. They also scooped light from birds.

[willow shoal]

but birds can’t be stored

[keen kettle]

This memory shows the action.

[willow shoal]

||在没有传送门的先祖时代，石船作为运输工具，把晨岛的水、云野的花、霞谷的冰输送给需要的子民。||

[latent tendon]

As you know from the valley cutscene, the statement says
Race down the ridge
And the city gates will open the honor you
But when u complete the race, there is no city. Just a stadium and gates

So I think
Beyond the gates after the elder valley cutscene was supposed to be a city
Golden wasteland, could have been the city
Now idk how it became the wasteland we know it is
That needs more discussion

[keen kettle]

There is a mystery with a spirit in forest however. Also English please.

What is this spirit holding?

[willow shoal]

oops, it caused by the epic battle

[keen kettle]

The valley is the city

[willow shoal]

先祖时代，天空王国一片光明。先祖们会把星的化身——蝴蝶储藏在瓦罐中。王国巨变，瓦罐被打翻，蝴蝶们飞到光遇的各个地方，成为光之后裔寻光之旅上的重要帮手。
Google Translate
In the ancestral era, the sky kingdom was bright. The ancestors would store the incarnation of the star, the butterfly, in a crock pot. The kingdom changed dramatically, the earthen jar was overturned, and the butterflies flew to various places in Guangyu, becoming important helpers in the light-seeking journey of the descendants of light.

[willow shoal]

light orb

[keen kettle]

Perhaps

[latent tendon]

Ok and I heard vault was supposed to be this big city with the archives stored and the gateway to eden, before the event in eden
So wasteland could have been a link between the city entrance (valley) and the main city ( vault?)

[keen kettle]

I did find a resemblance in valkey by the way.

[willow shoal]

well, the city refers to the valley

really

[willow shoal]

it appears in a piece of art “Sunset Downtown “

[keen kettle]

I hypthesize, that this structure was somewhat of a monument. However the way of its function may be led to being powered by diamonds.

They are strongly connected to levitation

[lethal stump]

it’s an armillary sphere, it’s used to study the night sky
why use a scientific tool as a monument ?

[willow shoal]

Citadel Machine

[keen kettle]

Is it canon? Can I have the source, please?

[lethal stump]

it’s....a 1:1 recreation of an armillary sphere

[keen kettle]

But is it mentioned by the devs?

[willow shoal]

the game calls this place “The Citadel “, so it must be some tools to watch the night

[lethal stump]

you don’t always need dev confirmation to say « hey, these things look exactly the same, they’re probably the same thing »

[keen kettle]

Yes, but it's not exactly a realistic game. I cannot take your statement as a fact.

[willow shoal]

[keen kettle]

Diamonds look like diamonds yet they levitate.

Boats look like boats, yet they fly.

[willow shoal]

not all the diamonds could levitate

nor do boats

[lethal stump]

here’s a dev calling it an armillary sphere
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[keen kettle]

Thank you.

Then it is a fact.

[willow shoal]

Bricky do you know if there’s any air machine hiding in the clouds in the Citadel?

[lethal stump]

only thing i remember about that was a theory back in june, nothing conclusive though

[willow shoal]

I can’t find any detail about that

[meager canyon]

Hello what's going on in the Lord chat today?

Lore*

[willow shoal]

Lord talks about lores

[keen kettle]

I do wish to point out another interesting detail, regarding levitation and diamonds:

This is below the platform after the race

[near moss]

Mate the citadel used to be called the Orrery

[willow shoal]

Orrery?

[near moss]

A place where you use Armillary spheres

So

P sure thats what it is

[lethal stump]

indeed it did ! and an orrery is a model of the solar system

[meager canyon]

The flying race? Or the sliding one?

[keen kettle]

Both

Its before the door.

[meager canyon]

Oh my goodness-

[lethal stump]

it’s the colosseum before the temple

[willow shoal]

Do you know the Chinese name of it?

[meager canyon]

This is a whole new part of lore

[willow shoal]

“霞光城” which means Sunset city

[meager canyon]

Not entirely new, but it's a game changing topic

[willow shoal]

[lethal stump]

yeah this has been discussed before, plenty of times

[keen kettle]

I have no idea what this shape or colour implies. It maybbe a forgotten detail. But may be intentional. All platforms levitate crystal, even in valkey:

There are no definitive leads in to grasp, so if you have something, go ahead.

[willow shoal]

in fact the diamonds were used in almost everywhere

[meager canyon]

It may be just another power of the diamond or another use

[keen kettle]

They were the main power/memory storing item after all.

Diamonds do change in size, but this is the only one with a usage, that has such vastly different appearance.

It may be a missed detail. Anyone has concept art on diamonds?

[meager canyon]

The one thing that throws me off, is that the other diamonds that are seen in the game need a continuos light source.

The diamonds seen there have no light source near but clouds, then again is there any proof that clouds have enough light to power diamonds? Or can it even power diamonds?

[near moss]

The only area that I can’t see many diamonds is like Isle or something

[willow shoal]

Concept art

[meager canyon]

Isle has diamonds, but not in the first areas of it because the doors there are just ones where you need spirits.

[near moss]

I think you might be able to find something with Forest elder about it becuz they’re the one that interacted with the diamonds the most afaik

[keen kettle]

The diamonds in concept art still favour the shape that is in the game. So it being a missed detail is unlikely.

[near moss]

Oohhh yeah in the temple

In Prarie are there diamonds?

[meager canyon]

The temple and the 2 player door.

[willow shoal]

yea

[near moss]

Ooh yeah that too

Doors

[meager canyon]

Also the doors in the 2 player door.

[near moss]

I was thinking about the ones like in Forest’s temple

[keen kettle]

Door and boats.

[near moss]

But yeah doors have em too

[keen kettle]

Plus the 8 player puzzle.

[near moss]

You ever wonder why Prarie’s temple is the Largest one

[meager canyon]

Every realm has diamonds because if the temples.

[near moss]

If you don’t consider the Vault to be an entire temple in itself

[meager canyon]

The big thing in the middle is a diamond.

[keen kettle]

I suppose the valley black diamond will be an unanswered mystery here for now.

[meager canyon]

Also the things that you lift to unlock meditate are diamonds.

Talking about it, does the platform that you stay on in valult have a diamond at the bottom?

[keen kettle]

Also, I do believe that dora and kakashi don't specifically represent class, but only rivalry.

[meager canyon]

No. Not rivalry.

Not against eacother.

[keen kettle]

Note the layout of this room.

Both flags are crested with diamonds. It may have just been a sportsmanship thing.

[meager canyon]

I don't know if its just me, but the way that other people enterpret the elders are way different then me because they look at the major details.

[keen kettle]

Another note to take, after the race, the temple has flags that change colour, depending on ligting.

[willow shoal]

elders wore diamond

[keen kettle]

I believe so too. The devil is in the detail.

[meager canyon]

Diamonds are basically the source of the elders power

[meager canyon]

?

[keen kettle]

Light is the source of power. Diamonds are a way to store it.

[meager canyon]

I don't quite believe in that because it seems that diamonds need a continuos power source to work.

[hushed steeple]

Like light

[keen kettle]

Exactly

Batteries dont always blast forever. Some batteries are better made than others. Say may apply to diamonds.

[willow shoal]

Diamonds could store light power yes

[keen kettle]

Another note, diamonds that do need energy source may have been made that way, as a safeguard system.

[willow shoal]

but it could corrupt creatures too

[keen kettle]

Darkness is atracted to light, so it would make sense that storing vast amounts of light could attract more of it. As it consumes light.

[meager canyon]

The valley elders I enterpret them as competative. Not a rivalry. They are seen wanting to take the light from the sky kid as going infront of the other, but not fighting, at the end the sky kids throws up the light and the elders bounce it off of each other, in a playful, sporty manner. Letting both the elders and the skykid have fun and a good laugh before reviving the light.

[willow shoal]

[keen kettle]

Perhaps, I was lost in tanslation. I did mention the term sportsmanship. So, this I also do believe that no grudges were held.

[willow shoal]

Diamonds are dark stones

they’re just CHARGED BY LIGHT

[meager canyon]

Right. Sorry.

[hushed steeple]

Mabye the downfall of the land was too much light storage

[keen kettle]

That are refined for usage. Ancestors do strike me as beings that ballance between light and darkness. Creating the crystals by combining the two sides of dark and light.

[willow shoal]

nope, too much darkness indeed

the dark caused the stars fell and the kingdom came to an end

[meager canyon]

I believe that the diamonds are a great source of power, as seen being used everywhere. But it's power can be abused. Therefore the red rocks.

[hushed steeple]

Who made the red rocks though?

[keen kettle]

How are your thoughts on idea of red shards being chips from the eye?

[lapis notch]

Maybe a natural formation of rocks corrupting

[willow shoal]

Red Crystal in eden is believed to be the fragment of the epic ark

[lapis notch]

Oh

[keen kettle]

Epic ark?

[meager canyon]

King. Of course I don't know witch side the king is on. Or it can be a natural accurance due to the environment.

[willow shoal]

See the Timeline,please

[keen kettle]

Usually the one who brings the theory, brings the material. But maybe I was raised wrong.

[meager canyon]

Timeline?

[willow shoal]

yea, from Tom Zhao’s website

[hushed steeple]

Yea what timeline???

[lapis notch]

Is it pinned here?

[lethal stump]

the timeline is in the concept art, but it’s hard to read

ive written a transcription

Old Backstory Timeline
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DN92-hX2v3nPxc215W2K7YWnmCYTUtGXYTX5uLKq620/edit

[willow shoal]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

here’s the original

Now I need to get asleep, goodbye guys

[meager canyon]

If there is a canonical confirmed timeline therefore proving my statements wrong, then I am deeply sorry. I have read a slight but for the moth document, because of lack of internet I can only use discord,, but a friend sent me pictures. I cannot read the document you sent because of the same reason I can't read the moff document. Im sorry and please try to explain briefly.

[lethal stump]

[meager canyon]

Goodnight johnny.

[lethal stump]

what do you need to know ?

[willow shoal]

Bye

[meager canyon]

Briefly explain the timeline if you can, Please brick.

[keen kettle]

Anyway, those are most of my findings of today. I think I am settled on the main functions of the ancient society.

[lethal stump]

actually @meager canyon can I just dm you with the text of the timeline ?

[meager canyon]

Haha lore do be messing me brain at 2 am

Yes that would be great.@lethal stump

[keen kettle]

The link that Brick shared is short enough. Also, I do believe that it makes most sense, concerning what I have gathered.

[hushed steeple]

I just read it

It answers stuff

Is it like the official timeline or is it the best theroy

[lethal stump]

it’s neither of those

it’s an old timeline that is no longer canon, as you see I wrote in my notes at the beginning of the document

[meager canyon]

Wowow

[keen kettle]

However I dont agree with the ark bit

The stone gathering idea and alignments do sit well with me.

[hushed steeple]

Huh so its a story

[meager canyon]

There's a lot that doesn't agree with my headcannon

[lethal stump]

i mean, this isn’t even accurate to certain elements of the game, ofc it’s not gonna 100% line up with our theories

[hushed steeple]

A legend rather than the true story of this place

True true

[keen kettle]

It may be so, that the ancients attempted to reconnect to the bird, but things went south. But that is another hypothesis

[lethal stump]

like in this, the elders were once ancestors
but in game, they were always elders

[meager canyon]

I do not believe that the prince did all that before he was crowned king.

[hushed steeple]

Ancestors are spirits right?

Ok

[meager canyon]

It goes almost against withe everything but, it answers a lot of things I haven't built a solid theory for yet.

[lethal stump]

elders used to be called ancestors/great ancestors too

so lots of concepts call them that

[hushed steeple]

Mabye motherbird made the elders first

[keen kettle]

There is nothing that, from what I have indicates the specific point or even a mention of prince being crowned. I tend to leave details that don't have solid evidence, for later when there is some

[lethal stump]

what about the scene in the fire trial mural, lime ?

seems like a crowning to me, considering the figure is wearing the symbol of the king in the mural

[meager canyon]

The murals are alot, considering the Orbs and everything.

[keen kettle]

The propecy murals may have been a wishful prophecy insteaf of historical depiction, however.

[hushed steeple]

What if there were multiple kings?

[keen kettle]

This King crowning cannot be taken without a grain of salt

[lethal stump]

it’s been stated that prophecy is explaining the origin of the kingdom, lime

[keen kettle]

By the devs?

[lethal stump]

yes

[hushed steeple]

Coool

[keen kettle]

Hmm.

[lethal stump]

check #news for the announcement link, and read it

[hushed steeple]

Thats pog

[meager canyon]

I don't have the timeline for the king and that stuff. Its very hard making a full on timeline when very little is confirmed.

[hushed steeple]

Yea

[willow pumice]

We need to pin the explanation of season of prophecy cave wall paintings to this channel, they are so important for the lore

[hushed steeple]

We don't know much about the king we know he exists and thats about it

[hushed steeple]

Yes

[meager canyon]

You can start building up a timeline but the more you find things out, the more that timeline can fall apart and then you have to start again with possible non canonical information.

[hushed steeple]

True

[meager canyon]

Its difficult and it melts my brain

[lethal stump]

ive been slowly piecing together a Big Personal Timeline but homework says no

[keen kettle]

That is rinse and repeat process Gab. I have been doing this for weeks now.

Nevertheless focusing on minor provable details helps.

[hushed steeple]

Yea

[meager canyon]

Yeah its so hard I gotta write everything down but I don't think I have the time or a big enough note book for that

Ahh soon in gonna get a notebook and hopefully arrange all the lore

[keen kettle]

Can confirm. Phropecy is origin story

By the way, of you need any details, I have quite some. I have been spending past weeks exploring the maps.

[meager canyon]

Haha the only thing I can confim is the trials are pain.

But does anybody pay attention to anything actually in the trials?

[meager canyon]

Please. Any lore or theories or maps are important.

[keen kettle]

Earth trial is the only trial that has diamonds.

Wind and earth trial have platforms that levitate without diamonds.

[meager canyon]

It depends on what you consider is a diamond

[keen kettle]

In the doors

[meager canyon]

The eyes of the animal statuses can be considered diamonds

[keen kettle]

Also I have tons, you would have to specifiy.

[meager canyon]

Give em all

[keen kettle]

Possibly, but have to recheck if they are actually there.

[keen kettle]

That would literally take up 16 hours

[meager canyon]

,, try before they glow?

[meager canyon]

Pictures?

You said maps

[keen kettle]

Pictures and observations, as well discussions.

[meager canyon]

Send the pictures plz

[keen kettle]

Maps as in game levels Gab

[meager canyon]

Yeah. It will help

[keen kettle]

Okay, I'll try again.

I have gathered plenty of material by slowly passing each level in thebgame over the week. Sending all that material and discussing it fully would take incredible amounts of time.

I offer to help if you have specific interest in something.

Make sense now?

[meager canyon]

Yeah.... I just need some lore

[keen kettle]

You have read the canon link?

[meager canyon]

I need brain juice

[meager canyon]

I can't . only have enough data for discord

[keen kettle]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/10ZWJRGiJSrIXgDvJ4pST61moZbVB_hBExUjOaF-pmOE

You can open it with browser

[meager canyon]

Google doesn't work

The only thing I can use with internet is discord,, I'm on mobile btw

[keen kettle]

Okay, I'll copy and paste in your dms...

[meager canyon]

Please

[hushed steeple]

I found out that when I climb the stairs case on the second level of the vault my hands make a cross and when I walk away they go back to normal mabye the are reaching for whatever knowledge is here

It isnt a bug

[lethal stump]

skykids naturally grab things around them, not just the things in vault

[meager canyon]

I've got to sneep its 2 am.

Good bye. Keep loring. Cee u!

[keen kettle]

Also, Brick thank you for the input. It helped.

[hushed steeple]

Oh ok thats real cute actually

[keen kettle]

Try walking by a wall sideways and witness how the skid touches the wall.

[tough path]

must t o u c h wall

[hushed steeple]

^^

[hushed steeple]

Hey Lore Lords, can you please explain the relation of the Season of Prophecy to the origin of the Sky Kingdom?

[near moss]

Uhhhhhhhhhh well thas gon be REAL rough aight

So the murals are basically depicting some kind of test for a group of characters, where the golden figure honors the wisdom of each element and takes that wisdom to orbit (if I’m not missing anything)

The group of characters is almost most probably skykids

And the golden figure is imagined to be the Prince (mentioned in beta stuff but not really in the main game)

[keen kettle]

All I can add, element distribution and meaning:
Water = patience > Forest
Earth = persistence > Prairie
Wind = ballance > Valley
Fire = bravery > GW

[near moss]

What the test is for, is kinda hard to agree on or imagine

Oh yeah

Eh i find it funny that Forest is Patience when the Elder is like the least patient fool youve ever seen

OHHHHHH WHAT

What if thhe elements go to the elders that need em most

Like the Twins need Balance, Wastelands need Bravery, Forest needs Patience

Prairie don’t seem like they need resilience that much but yknow

[hushed steeple]

So what does it all mean? Why did the prince need to take everything to Eden? Maybe to make peace with the weird forest elder and everyone else in a big scale but he failed WHAAAAAAAAAA BIG BRAIN!

[keen kettle]

Atleast two memories show sleeping ancestors.

[near moss]

To prove that they could become the prince??

Yeah whas that mean

[keen kettle]

Perhaps falling asleep, and not doing what they should?

[near moss]

Perhaps

I was thinking its more for the elders themself

[keen kettle]

The elder as well was sleeping.

[near moss]

Oh well thas true too

Haha sleepy

[hushed steeple]

Wait, so what do we have here? Basically the prince Skykid embarks in all the trials, succeeds, but then what? It showed in a mural that all the elders (or 4) were holding elements. So what’s this all mean?

[keen kettle]

Well, it does show that prince was basically Chuck Norris incarnate.

[hushed steeple]

Then you get winged light but idk what it means

[near moss]

Remember we’re not sure that thats the prince

[primal verge]

Skids are immune to covid apparently

[queen locust]

Aw man- did I miss Prophecy talk-

[pastel brook]

i do not see u_u

[queen locust]

Of course not Skybot-

[hushed steeple]

Hi viridi

Does prophecy show more of what happened in isle? I read something that Isle was abandoned, and wondered if the prophecy had anything do to with it

[pastel brook]

hey @hushed steeple do you know anything about this prophecy everyone keeps taking about?

[hushed steeple]

No, skybot

[hushed steeple]

Lmao

[true galleon]

From what I can see, each elder came to be after entering the cave of prophecies

[pastel brook]

The fates have spoken

[keen kettle]

Each elder gained a trait, that specified their trade?

[livid yarrow]

Okie people hihihihi! It’s me, Sible. Just wanted to throw a theory out there if that’s ok... So I was thinken... ya know how in isle there are a ton of old boats-they look almost shipwrecked, well what if the isle was not always an island... du duh duuuuh!!! I’m thinking that once apon a time the isle was just water!!! There was caves (underwater) but pretty much all water. Notice how the temple is high up... well at one time it was sea level!! The elder and the spirit who lived in the temple fished in the sea for fish. There were also sea birds that over time moved inland. (gasp)okie that was my theory... BOOM! I hope you enjoyed, if you have anything to add... feel free! 😂lol

Thoughts?

[thin dirge]

Well, boats can fly tho...

[livid yarrow]

True...

But imma stick with my theory lol

Wait wait wait people

In that pic, the boat dudes are holding stars...

What if the stars fell from orbit into the water...

[thin dirge]

Oh, I've got a whole theory about that

[livid yarrow]

And they fished them out!

Boom

[thin dirge]

My theory is that they're the same lights from the Prophecy murals

Those four ancestors are the Prophets

[livid yarrow]

Nice

But over time, the water sank down creating in...🎺🎺🎺The isle of dawn!!!!

[thin dirge]

There's a chance it was always like that. Well, maybe at some point there was the sea, but long before even the ancestors were living in the area

[livid yarrow]

Sure but I’m saying that even befor the ancestors there was vast sea

And the temple

And the elder

And a few fisherman spirits

Lol

[thin dirge]

Yeah, it should be like that at some point. But possibly long before the spirits (ancestors) were around. There's a sea shelf right where the Cave of Prophecies is located at

[livid yarrow]

Yes... but when i say spirits I mean villagers

Not the kind you light up

Just average everyday dudes

😝

[thin dirge]

Yeah, spirits were once the villagers. Thats what I meant by Ancestors. Ancestors are villagers

You know, they used to be normal people living their everyday lives

[livid yarrow]

Yes yes... the ancient village spirits living on the sea are not seen in sky except for murals, they are all gone, except for a few like the pointing pilgrim and others, but these spirits you can’t buy things from, ya know

[thin dirge]

Oh, you mean everyone else in the Kingdom?

[livid yarrow]

Ok butterfly gamer, I leave you to ponder, I need to go eat dinner lol

Farewell

[thin dirge]

Alright! Cya!

[hushed steeple]

Halo i want to talk about loooore

[thin dirge]

What do you want to talk about?

[steep prawn]

Anyone knows who left the crab food near the graveyard? lmao

[hushed steeple]

Wooah

[haughty talon]

Someone who was very mad at the crabs.. Probably

Btw the murals in the forgotten ark shows the boats being capsized after lightning 🌩 strikes and not due to a krill... So may be the prince /king did interfere and do something about elders getting additional lights from light seekers...

[undone harbor]

ok but how were crabs THAT BIG
Imagine a crab that size ready to hit us-

[lethal stump]

belonging dad

[steep prawn]

oh thank you @lethal stump! Because it was really surprising to see while i was caught by the krill

[hushed steeple]

This might have been asked and answered but, do you think the robed ones in Journey are somehow related to our sky kids? They share such core similarities

[haughty talon]

May be they were the mama, papa crabs.. Since the small ones are missing them they are angry and bonk at every sky kid they see

[undone harbor]

kids playing together awwww

[stark marten]

@hushed steeple TGC has said before that while Journey and Sky don't take place in the same world (so therefore are not directly related, story-wise), they do consider Sky to be a "spiritual successor" to Journey, and the games do take influence from a lot of the same sources and have some similar themes

[hushed steeple]

oh wow, thanks for the thorough answer @stark marten

[velvet thunder]

Alternatively the crabs were larger but evolved to become smaller which gave them speed to knock sky kids off their feet and steal their stuff

Just speculation though

Other explanation-
Kreb: WHY ARE YOU IN MY HOUSE?!?!

[queen locust]

are krab just grody old men reincarnated

[wild ridge]

anyone know what these murals in forest mean? i’m wondering if it’s actual lore or if it’s just the story of forest

[lethal stump]

« actual lore » and « story of forest » would be the same thing

[queen locust]

I have a proposal- those aren't murals of Forest, but instead of Wasteland

Note how the silhouettes of the temple don't match with that of Forest

Indicating that Wasteland was most likely a forest itself before becoming an industrial area

[queen locust]

why are there so many eyes akjakjsakjak

[analog veldt]

Do we follow the same manta through out the maps

[queen locust]

The one in Forest or all throughout the game?

[analog veldt]

Through out the game I think

[queen locust]

I mean- even if it did- it'd get freakin' krilled

So the journey stops short

It's true there's one that follows you through Forest, but after that point there'll be several manta that join you through Valley

[rapid juniper]

Yes

[queen locust]

Not one joins you after finishing the race though

[rapid juniper]

Y e s

[queen locust]

Between that and the storm that takes you to Wasteland, the only creatures that you see from that point are birds and a whale

[kind musk]

Heyo lore-seekers! Lots of new faces here

Btw I'm flipped kreb

[chilly aspen]

are the sky kids hair made out of light? considering that they dissappear when they burn out.

[kind musk]

Good question

[meager canyon]

I'm not sure, the skykid anatomy and biology has been quite a talked about topic.

[kind musk]

Yeah, as if they have bones, but after this definitely not

[meager canyon]

My current theory is that the diamond at the center or the skid is the core and there is a soul, the kings soul in each sky kid soul and the rest is made of light, but yesterday somebody mentioned heart beats so that may be a whole new story....

[kind musk]

As Steven Universe!

[meager canyon]

Yeah

Diamonds are even embeded on elders so, its most likely the core is a diamond. The king part of the soul thing,, I'm not so sure.

[kind musk]

The heart beats, btw, when u are about of die in eden, so..

Why heart beats and not diamond beats?

Light beats?

[meager canyon]

Yes. But it is said they can be heard everywhere. Very slightly

[kind musk]

Oh yes?

[meager canyon]

They become a slight bit louder when you light candles.

[kind musk]

[meager canyon]

And yes. I do believe that is the diamond. It is most likely as diamonds are to react to light, store it up, or convert the light into power.

[kind musk]

Impossible to me cause I'm android to mute the bgm but if someone is in iOS please confirm the heart beats

[meager canyon]

They also heard, chanting near point of no return in eden.

[kind musk]

Mhmhmh

[meager canyon]

Also,,,, that the sky kid won't look at the last WL in the corridor to point of no return automaticly unlike other WLs.....

[kind musk]

WHOOT? Gotta try that now

Wait here

[meager canyon]

Okay

[jovial nacelle]

one of the spirits is named a light catcher and hunter.

[thin dirge]

Actually, I had a talk about that here yesterday

Well, something similar

[meager canyon]

Wdyn@jovial nacelle

[thin dirge]

When you get wax, it actually goes directly to the flame of your candle if you have it out

[jovial nacelle]

i can't send the entire list of spirits here-

But their occupations are certainly interesting.

[thin dirge]

I theorised the flame of the candle is actually like... the "spirit" of the Light/Megan or something?

[jovial nacelle]

Light catcher is the most interesting.

[meager canyon]

Yeah.... For all I know the light miner spirit was saving ppl from darkness and stuff but then they die and she died alone

[thin dirge]

Because when you get enough wax, the Light/Megan gifts you a candle, as if its a reward for collecting light fragments

[jovial nacelle]

@meager canyon or there was a cave in, but what caused it?

[meager canyon]

Not sure

I asked ppl to observe all the spirits BC I can't play sky RN but idk now

The really interesting one is the spirit with the look emote

You know,,, the searching one?

He blows a horn,,, why?

To me it seems like a war horn

[proven tartan]

Probably

I think its to signal that there's trouble

[meager canyon]

I'd say thst this is more proof to the theory that gw and forest had war but that's a old theory take it with a grain of salt

[proven tartan]

Hmm

[kind musk]

I have a meme with the name of all the spirits if that works

Yeah

A meme

[meager canyon]

Okay....

Krebby did it work BTW?

[kind musk]

Kinda, the kid don't looks automatically at any wl in the corridor if that is what you tried to say

[meager canyon]

Yeah that's what I mean.

Sligt deatail idk if its a glitch but if it was intentional it will help

[kind musk]

Let me look for that meme better i.. have a low in space device

Here's it, kinda hard to read but material is material

Even contains the lazy of the boat spirit

[hushed steeple]

I heard the reason no one made it to the other side of eden is because there's a wind wall

That's so dumb

[kind musk]

Made what?

[queen locust]

Hey yeah speaking of Eden and spirits- why is it that we don't see anyone else there other than the Fallen?

If it was as big of a capital of the Kingdom as the concepts say it was, why aren't there any spirits at all, in such a heavily populated area?

Could it be that those skids present in Eden already did most of the cleaning up there or something- like there WERE 63 of them- and counting, assuming the other bodies we spot in Eden are also skids

[amber zodiac]

whats the elder names

[queen locust]

Who’s ___ ?

Want the Elder names? You’re in luck! The letters in brackets are Hebrew letters, which the Elders are named after:
Isle: Daleth (ד)
Prairie: Ayin (ע)
Forest: Teth (ט)
Valley: Samekh (ס)
Wasteland: Tsadi (צ)
Vault: Lamed (ל)
Prince: Alef (א)
King: Resh (ר)
PLEASE NOTE: These names have appeared in concept art and are often used when referring to the elders. They are no longer canon, they are fanon.

I do suggest minimizing the use of them in chat though- they are fanon and only found in concepts

[amber zodiac]

thanks

[hushed steeple]

That explains why when I’m on Pinterest, I see names for the elders and was like when did they have names. But it was on fanart I was looking at

[amber zodiac]

theres 2 valley elders tho, but its fine lol

[queen locust]

Oh they share a name

Whether or not they split the name or not is up to you at this point

[amber zodiac]

Ahh

[queen locust]

so yeah when you see the use of Alef and Daleth when referring to the Twins- they're uh

u h

just that- its u h-

[bitter shale]

Lmao

Fan names

[hushed steeple]

The twins confused me the most because I was like they’re either a couple or siblings

[bitter shale]

I personally call them asparagus and mushroom

They are sibling

[queen locust]

They're explicitly referred to as Twins when they're talked about by the devs

Heck they might have been one entity once- but that's a BIG might

[hushed steeple]

What even is the deal with the elders?

[queen locust]

Several things

They aren't dead, just in limbo

[bitter shale]

Yep

Fallen constellations

which is concerning but yeah that happen

[hushed steeple]

Interesting

[queen locust]

« The lights fallen from the sky in the opening cutscene were the elders »
« The elders know each other because they came from the same place as shown in the opening murals »
« The elders were elders from the beginning, and children of light will not grow up to be elders. Children of light are of new generation »
« Elders are very ancient. We don't know their age or birthdays, gender, or if age & gender existed »
« It's not that the elders are in the temples now when skykids visit there. The elders are deeply related to those places but they are not there now »
« The locations of [their] cutscenes are somewhere beyond space and time » (hage observation: yet still affect the world, more below)>>

• Canon Lore Doc, Japanese Livestream

Some canon bits about them- there's more stuff in the pins but it's best if you check them yourself

In case you need a refresher or just haven't read them already or smthn

[lethal stump]

i smell moff

[bitter shale]

lore moff

[queen locust]

Bricky you have the most opportune timing-

[lethal stump]

i have the most opportune free time

Hello new Lore Moff!
Read this short document to get started! Once you’ve read this, check out pins for more information.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18B1-SKG3toG0oH0VhOWC5o-cG9u0STAN92QvmbhTDto/edit

gonna just slap this here

[meager canyon]

Hai

[queen locust]

the pins are a beautiful, beautiful place to be-

Also heya Gab

[meager canyon]

Kay a lore moff?

Hai virdi

[queen locust]

Back to my original question tho- why aren't there spirits in Eden if it was such a heavily populated area

[bitter shale]

Mmm they dead?

[hushed steeple]

Maybe because of the flying rocks and glowing red things?

[neat fractal]

Aren't all spirits dead?

[queen locust]

So is literally every other spirit we see in the game

[meager canyon]

The population may be the fallen.

[bitter shale]

Or the former gen of skids already lead them to the reborn cycle while sacrificing themselves

I love sacrifice theory

[meager canyon]

Its environment today may be so extreme there can't be spirits, or the spirits ran away.

[lethal stump]

the way i see it, everyone was evacuated/left eden before the explosion, so there wasn’t anyone to die/be yote into limbo except the elders

[hushed steeple]

Like maybes the red things play a part why spirits aren’t there

[queen locust]

I'm split between the Eden diamond just blasting even the spirits of those in the immediate Eden vicinity into an unsalvageable state or they're just cleaned up by the Fallen that came before us

[bitter shale]

Legit believing they all already dead when the boom occured

[meager canyon]

The spirit's bodies do look like the fallen,,, but the bodies may be destroyed therefore the spirits being killed.

[queen locust]

In that large of a place?

Then again they might have suspected that the Diamond was becoming unstable anyway and decided to abandon ship

[bitter shale]

The explosion is so strong that even the spirits got obliterated... those unfortunate spirits cant join the reborn cycle...

[queen locust]

Or the boom wasn't as sudden as I've assumed it was, but surely someone might have died there