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Is it the same tree? The one in Vault had the only leaves we see in the entire game too lmao
Further proof vault is a dream
Oh no
We talking about the ones
Growing with the candles not the spirits
Following context it's probably the same one- there were multiple along that trail and they all looked to be the same trees
Vault is an archive holding secrets of every kingdom so yea maybe
I dunno if we can take OOB into consideration here
True
Hmm
Ok yesterday
We discussed if the whurtle were krilled or not
(In graveyard)
wait are we just gonna leave that last topic hanging-
I think they are as the krill is very powerful, the wrecked the entire ship in FA
Lmao no
I am confusion
i'm so confused what are we supposed to be talking about
Cya
cya
Okie so ark
Maybe ark was like HF?
Before the industrialization
All the trees got chopped
Increasing soil erosion
Making it a desert
Then ark was abandoned
changed my mind I studied up in this section before
Only to be rediscovered by the enchantment spirits
It probably wasn't just Ark
rather- the entirety of Wasteland might have been a forest
Not the entire but most of it
sure you did Ave 
As u can see
i did- we're just covering the cell cycle rn
Battlefield has no tree holes in the sky
I should keep more pics
Then I could show u
But battlefield was definitely not part of the forest
and I could show you that that could not necessarily be the case according to a certain Forest mural under a bridge
curse classes
Ok i think wasteland is because of the tree holes,
Besides- you saw Forest just as we enter it- it was a dense fog
A dense canopy of clouds
Whether or not they have holes in them is negligible
Extend beyond the clouds
Leaving big holes of they are cut down
No all tree but most of them
If*
Not*
So that explains wastelands holes
But battlefield has no holes
Which is weird bc there would be atleast one tree hole in the clouds
If there was a forest there
Every other area in forest is ok to be classified as a forest
Every other area in wasteland*
I think battlefield had no trees
So it was a good area
For war
Because more larger things could be brought and not have to be stuck in between trees
So the whurtle were brought
But we know they died
At graveyard
Idk never heard of fishpond theory
I dont think whurtle were in wasteland before the war
I think whurtle were brought to help against the krills in the war
And as mantas stand no chance and the only thing bigger than krill and is a creature of light are fish

Or maybe
I heard someone say
Skykids are part darkness and light
So maybe the war was between, their inner light and dark
The 2 sheilds theory
and doesn't the water prophet's mask look like a whurtle?

bearded sea turtle
and doesn't the water prophet's mask look like a whurtle?

the bottom of the cape loos like the whurtle cape too
Yea
So the mask
Is the head
Of a whurtle
And the cape is the rest of the body?
But
Fitted on a person
The prophecy??! don't trust what the Elders say!!
like that
dunno
Theory: GW was partially submerged, thus the large ship was once floating, and the turtle graveyard was once sumberged. Turtles never showed above water, so we never see them.
Probably like an old sanctuary that went bad /waste
I mean a sanctuary of creatures, technology etc, - Golden. Until it became a wasteland
That and oil is sometimes is referred to as black gold.
If the dark water or ooze in GW is oil....GW will be very lit.

And I don't think krills will like GW if that happens, lmao
Oh isn’t there a mask from wasteland that looks like a
? Maybe the ancestors saw them as powerful and wanted to use it as a symbol or it’s just coincidence idk what point I’m trying to make, just something I noticed
I love that idea so much!!!!
i kinda wonder if that's really oil cuz if it was we'd have a burning realm on our hands
Yep
also what'd I miss I had to take care of some spare homework-
You didn't miss anything
I just remember I was in the middle of arguing that Wasteland had trees or smthn
I-
ok
Oh ye, they just talk about the holes in GW
And why in the battlefield there is none
And then it escalated to Whurtles
oh well- might as well concede cuz what matters is that there WERE trees
Or at least it's speculated that there was at least an entire forest
Ooohh- fishpond theory's a thing I've never heard before tho
If I can add onto that, can I say that Graveyard seemed like a weirdly desolate place right next to two areas that we can imagine were heavily populated
I don't necessarily think that people went to war in that area but there are telling signs of conflict- like that catapult
Adding onto the fact that it's right next to a factory I kind of agree that people could have raised or at least coralled light creatures there to juice them
perhaps
Plus if Wasteland was a forest of sorts they might as well use those light creatures for something when they razed it down for the industrial sector
mk
Hai havent been here a while 
Oh heya Gab
Idk- earlier I did just see a fishpond theory-
Fish pond?
fish in a pond
.. What about it?..
yeye and Idk the details very much either
oh also reply feature is now here?? pogggg
I've heard that alot
imagine wasteland submerged like the titanic
Hahaha
I doubt we could swim in those dark waters
Without loosing WL in maybe 2 mins
Or less
Some people suspect that Gw IS forest destroyed because of the simmalar buildings
boat control ;0
Boats are buried though ;-;
I suspected that gw was submerged a long time ago until ppl told me the boats actually fly
we shall go to a adventure
let's steal this very ancient artifact that somehow still works
yes
It still only works because of the orbs
Is it possible that the Caves in Daylight Prairie are in some way connected to the Underground Caverns in Hidden Forest?
I was CRing in the Caves and I heard something that vaguely resembled a whale's deep call, so idk-
Besides there's an area that required you to have a Forest spirit unlocked to access-
PIZZAAAAA ive gtg eat guys I'll come bacc
Also, GW will be completely lit (since if we brought out our candles and then GW is completely submerge well...(if the water is oil lmao.))
It's just been referred to as ooze so it could quite literally be anything
yep
pizza
Also Derg how so-
pineapples- do they have them-
Nice
The Caves are so hecking far from the Underground- but it's possible that a Whale could be hiding in the clouds between Isle and Prairie-
You could liken that distance to the space between Valley and Wasteland
And in that distance you could find another Whale
hhhh
Hm idk-
I'm back the pizza wasn't dominos it tasted weird
Is Prairie that far away from Forest though-
Behind the temple it was immediately the social space-
The Caves found in both certainly have considerable distance
Okay okay, which caves we talking about? There are a lot of caves
Plus there's a drastic change in altitude between both realms
The ones in Prairie and Forest
Witch ones?
Hm yeah that's true-
I dunno I heard the call and my mind went "ooh whale call"-
You see whales splashing into the water in gw
I wouldn't really rule out the existence of a whale around Prairie
it's a hard if tho
Wait where is that
Oh when you go from Valley to Wasteland, I think-
Yeah.
Like you can see a whale diving into the clouds-
Oh-
several chunks of clouds
I saw it when i first went into wasteland and I didn't know what it was so it was a long time ago
Also what do the heartbeats we sometimes hear contribute to the game/lore-
Heart beats? In eden?
I can hear them in every area-
Nonono I could hear heartbeats in Home as well-
It's not as strong-
But it's there.
dear god that's- ominous-
That might just be you living
wait there are heartbeats?!
I've actually never heard the heartbeats from home but in Eden it's always there
When you're about to die at least
ah how could i never hear it
It's most present when you light a candle to collect wax-
It's like- quiet as heck so-
I believe that is just your sky kid living? Wait..... If there is heart beats there must be a heart.... Omg that changes the entire perspective of the biology and anatomy of sky kids-
my brain burns. for the π'th time.
that has terrifying implications too like- beating hearts-
Or wait.. When you light candles?
That might be your diamond
That's an irrational number of times that your brain has burnt are you okay XD
Exactly, when I first heard the heartbeats I was like-
"I thought Sky kids were a flame, not a fleshy thing like humans are-"
mhh i guess so
Oh wait Sky kids have a diamond in them?
Ye- in their chests
OHH THAT-
That also brings back the
"You core is a part of a diamond represent the king" haha the theory has no name
I thought that was jus' a hole for your flame to get oxygen from-
Somebody give the theory a name
i there even more than π? if yes, the new number is how many times this channel makes my brain go brrrr
Isn't that like- pie?
3.14 and an infinite trail of random numbers
Also when we hold out our red candles the diamond/glowy dot on our chest disappears, so do the Sky kids keep their candles inside their chests-
Probably? That was a thing that never got resolved earlier-
Well that might explain why Sky kids rip the Winged Light from their chests to give to the statues.
Yeah. We don't exactly know what that thing is- but they also have a thing at the forehead of each mask
Aliens??

a l i e n s
yes the world of sky got invaded by aliens
A- wait what am I not seeing it-
god how much of a butt pull would that be- the world of Sky was just devastated by some alien armada-
are we aliens on a planet that got destroyed by humans?!
I always thought that the skids ahev masks bc the light in their face can't take a proper shape and so behind their masks their just a droopy melting- thing
We DID fall from the sky-
o m g
Like wax drips off a candle?
That was supposed to be a reference but I suck at those-
when you say that Gab my mind went to the primordial soup horror that is metamorphosis
just- a glob of DNA swishing around in a vessel-
Hahaha I think of it as a insecurity or like they don't wanna scare spirits and other skids so they wear masks
Sooo a self-containment method-
Ye
Take care-
wasteland looks like a old factory to me where everything is broken dark and dead, the water is black and stuff, what if humas made bad decisions and animals drank the water which made them sick and they became krills and else
i dont know what im typing
haha
but what if the skykids really are aliens on a planet that tries to heal itself again
I mean maybe?
They came from the sky, after all-
and there are no real humans but the spirits i guess, and the spirits are only memories
and glow boiis
Wait are the spirits humans?
Aren't the elders the stars-
Kekw-
Hunter: Yay!! I got my hunting license.
Someone: But hunter, there’s no animals in sky.
Hunter dismayed 
Mm ._. I mean, i kinda believed the spirits are stars while the elders are constellation 
I think it did say Ancestors were also stars
Yep
π x 2 burning brain
I also consider Elders to be constellation
Remember when I had a headcanon about the Prince being the incaranation of the Light/Megan?
Hence blue spirits
I think its the case with our skid
The proof is the candle flame itself
The candle flame is actually the, idk, the "spirit" of the Light or something?
One proof is the ending credits of Sky
The ending credits show Megan, right?
It suddenly transitions to the flame of our candle
I think so--yes
(tbh i always skipped the credits)
tbh, I forgot the end cutscene. lmao
It could be showing that the spirit of Megan is the light of our candle-
Another important thing is wax* collecting
Its something I've noticed for a while, but couldn't explain until now
When we collect wax, if you have you candle out, the wax specifically goes into the flame of your candle-
does that mean we collect wax to keep our candle alive or am i dumb again?
The thing is, when we get enough wax, we get a candle.
It's stated to be a gift from the Light
hhh
To me, it sounds like a reward
But a reward for collecting light fragments?

Its almost as if...
Everytime we collect wax, and when it gets into our light, the light fragments actually go to the Light/Megan!
Like, strengthening it up, or something
but what is gonna happen with the wax after it got to megan?
Idk, perhaps create new life?
Well, think of it as an offering to the god or something-
mhhmhhh
But that would mean our light itself
is actually a part of Megan, or their "spirit"
It's also implied even further with the other use of our light
It guides us
The light literally shows us the way, and where to go next
So perhaps our skid is indeed the incarnation of the Light/Megan
Makes a lot of sense to me if that was the case for the Prince, but if that's the same case with the Prince....
would that technically make us the same person as the Prince?

H U H
yeah i really like the theory of skykids being a perfect "battery"
i didn't know how to describe it in the theory i sent, so thanks for coming up with that 
what's funny is me and my friends call each other "batteries" all the time, when candlerunning
cause we're just there to recharge the lead person haha
I-

/we are batteries, then the krills and the dark water absords our energy?
they just need a portable charger 
@thin dirge oh butter
your theory about waxes remind me of this spinning thing in office (and my pfp as well-)
you might noticed those dots carried by the cacti thing (aight but they looks like cacti, dont blame me)... could those dots are waxes?
this too
blue dots... are those waxes or souls?
i dont think those are souls...
we also got waxes if we interacted with spirits and angels on our way toward orbits...
seems like those spirits does carried waxes to megan
/could have been that they ran out of paint
are those even waxes? or more like light fragments?
we call those waxes since it form candles...
megan is indeed sus, as always
there's a spirit cutscene where birds drop orbs? could those orbs be the blue circles in the concept art
which spirit is it again-
/laugh correct?
The circles represent the flame
You know, the sacred thing they praised in the concept of Sky
Timeline says that Megan gave Prince and the creatures the Flame
The circles are the Flame
It kinda makes sense that Flame is shown as a Circle, cause circles symbolize connection, even till the current game
That's why I believe the circle from the Vault mural of King isn't actually the "Apple"
It just represents the King's connection to the Light, or their "flame"



Oh, the gang is here.
I wonder if ancestors ever do figure skating contests
BMX Elder 
hmm
Or some teenage children came to trials and played around there
Punk culture in sky. 
Punk lmao
I mean, look at all them mohawks
I-
"Who drew on the walls again"
"Oh,just those teenagers from valley"
"Smh children these days"
Lol, Murals are actually grafitti
Is this lore
Maybe
Lmao
Skids listening to smashing pumpkins and drawing on walls again. Chugging candle wax and stuff.
I mean graffiti can tell things about a place
Sad
Oof

Ripperoni.
Ah moth looks cute
sry waz jus scrolling up cuz me bored
but the cave of prophecies also needs forest spirits right? is it also connected or is that out of the story-
Now I am tempted to write the sky punk culture in theory vault...
They are doing stunts in Eden again what were they thinking
Do it
Push me enough, and I will. 
plus the top part of prophecy cave looks similar to the end of hidden forest 
did i kill the chat-
P i n g -
what
Oh hm that's an interesting theory-
eee
Sky Punks. ||Skunks||
I-
Lmao
I took screenshots of my skid during Vault Cutscene... this one really does look like the Elders are bowing to royalty.... 
Seriously, this one’s my favourite
I was wondering...
Are sky kid's real faces just black? Because of one cosmetic in one of valley's spirits "no mask" option
So technically our default face is a mask but it blinks and squints sometimes tho 
Well, we’ve seen Ancestors wear masks, and their faces without them looks similar to ours
Except ours is closed
So our real faces are black? Like a void
Ancestor faces are kinda dark too
Yep
Yes, skids have pretty eyelashes
How do skids walk without seeing
I think they can still see
Its the l i g h t
Well, I think our skids end up closing their eyes when they lose light
But can still open their eyes afterwards?
But the game can’t make us blink or something
Kinda like the snoozing spirit at the boat, and their eyes aren’t closed
Idk? That’s how I interpreted it...
You know those characters in cartoons or anime that mostly have they're eyes closed but can still see normally lol
Oh yeah
Idk? That’s how I interpreted it...
@thin dirge
Probably because of the mask
and this could also be a design or style choice
But still tho, our masks squint when we play an instrument
lol
The reason why the skids have masks is that so players can project into their character or something. Jenova’s words
Oh yeah
We, the players, are the king. 
I mean there's a theory of us, skids being the decent of King
I’m starting to lean on the idea that we are indeed the Prince, or at least the Prince 2.0 or something
Perhaps
this might be a stupid question but who's megan 
Maybe the mask and the void face is just saying that we don't have a real identity nor gender in sky and it is up to us on how to express it.
Megan is the megabird, named such after autocorrect
We see them in the office and credits sequence
But know next to nothing other than 'god creature' so I make them evil
so... megabird is like one of the spirit mantas, or something else?
this be megabirb
I love that their name is Megan, it makes me happy
Well, her name is not Megan. That's a bug in Sanc
Hi does this mean something or is a big
bug
Bug'
bug
Someone made a typo and Mega bird became Megan and everyone was like 'Nice' So everyone called Megan, Megan. lmao
Idk
aaaa i thought you were saying Megan was a bug in Sanc and i got so confused cause the pic wasn't loading
Lol
XDXD
so is that mural a bug or what? it seems to be cut in half lol
it's in sanctuary
oof
Yep :((
Wha-?
Well, if you mean Skids can be elders
No
They can't and never will be
And elders age is unknown, who knows if they're more tan 1,000 years.
*than
I suspect you found a headcannon. There is no known way for Skykids to become spirits or elders, or known way for spirits to become skykids or elders.
Yep
That said... Megabird could probably do it if she wanted
?
Did TGC abandon the Sky King concept? Didn't want to ask that here but they told me to on the general chat
They never mentioned anything like that
I'm looking at all the concept art and crying for some of it not making it into the game, but since Elder Manta and Shadow were added I'm kinda hopeful
Some are in the current game but a lil different
Yeye
Like the king, he’s confirmed to be in the story actually
Well, it states in the canon doc that King and Prince are in the game or smthng
Like the E.Manta and Shadow, there's some concept art around Shadow and they've been added
Just not
Wich doc tho
Yeeeah I'm confused
I think ur twisting the words
Oh, sorry. I am a bit confused.
They never said anything about the prince, he’s only jus a concept
It would make sense if he was in the story but technically they never mentioned it
We only made theories
I mean
According to some stuff, it would make sense if the prince was the last light you hug
Oh, I thought Prince was mentioned in the Canon Doc. Guess I misread it, sorry-
He's pretty much more real than the king to me
Oh found the canon doc link on the search tab
I'll check that out
The canon doc mainly consists of stuff in live-streams and things said by the devs
But technically, tgc never made a concrete story
They want us to make it up for our interpretation
Yep
Yeye I get the idea
king but he is a bunch of children in a giant cape
I-
fun fact: the king is about the size of five or six skykids plus a chibi stacked on top of each other
wait he's that short???
I mean I thought he was short but I didn't think he was THAT SHORT
Why does the anubis mask remind of forest elder's concept mask / mask on the temple gate
they do look similar
nope, reika said he’s « kind of part of the lore »
it’s in the canon doc, and i was also present for her comment
Here’s where she said it
#lore-discussion-spoilers message
so yes, the prince and king could be part of the lore
and it’s up to us to interpret reika’s comment as well as the stuff in front of us
Hai im lateee phone got low bat
I always assumed the King was benevolent and the Prince messed everything up from greed/power hungriness
Didn't they use the boats to transport the light from the butterflies?
I think that that is in waving bellmaker's cutscene
I'm new here i want to get to know this games lore
Be careful if you haven't been to eden 
Viridi did a doc drop that may be useful
I have not seen replys on computer... Does the place to jump to the message still show up?
i wanna be active here but i lack the info i need so imma jus nod to everything lmao
that- thats so creepy omg-
Ikr I'm glad they chose the krill
I don’t appreciate that, like at all
imma hug the krill we have right now jus to not see that

since it's an old model then most likely it isn't part
They have evolved from fur covered monsters to our beloved shrimp dragons
Much better versions

So I have a lot of questions :
So like for the boats thing, they're from GW right? Then gets distributed to the other 4 realms for delivery of jars, butterflies, etc.?
King/Prince discovered some power like diamond something then overproduces it way too much that it causes a huge explosion felt throughout all the realms?
Season of Enchantment is connected to Season of Prophecy?
GW's overproduction of materials brought pollution all the way to hidden forest?
idk I just visit randomly and this is a bunch of the info I got
Sounds about what I’ve gathered as well
Basically yes but the boats aren't from gw
But they go in gw to try and restore it I think?
Depends on what boats you refer to
the little ones around the realms
these ones
yee i guessed it was for trading-
Praire Elder made light creatures
Yeha you're probably right
all the seasons are part of the lore right?-
The 4 orbs take part in Prophecy too right?
Idk if I asked about the other two (red and purple) orbs
I don't know if this is something for lore. but something happen in the shrines inside trials. i tried to plant in every gratitude shrine in prophecy trials.
and weirdly, my note in water trial is also in earth trial.
but i can plant new note in air and in fire.
water and earth connected in some way.

beware the ||

||
Which orbs?
Blue - Water
Green - Earth
Cyan - Air
Orange - Fire
Ohh
No
From what I understood they were basically orbs that were sent with the forgotten ark
yes those
are they connected to prophecy?
In wasteland to restore it but then when the ship crashed they became smaller and escaped everywhere
or im just tripping-
No I don't think so
They are still part of the lore but I don't think they have anything to do season of propechy 
maybe they escaped then the elders found them and thought of making good use of them-
This time it wasn't beans and I may be broken a lil
aren't the orbs throughout the realms a part of enchantment season?
or were they there before>
Yeah those
They came with enchantment I believe
I didn't play sky before enchantments so I don't know
ahhhh
Oof
I feel like I kinda get the story behind those orbs of elements
But if you meant those you can use them to restore the forgotten ark
but I still question the remaining two red and purple
Yeah there is definately some story about them
Do you have any theory about them?
I honestly don't know a lot about those lol
Yeah
In the ice rink
They are one for each realm so maybe they came from there
They were put in the forgotten ark and shipped but when the ark crashed they sort of "went back home"
so like from what I know
Blue - Water (Valley of Triumph)
Green - Earth (Daylight Prairie)
Cyan - Air (End of Isle)
Orange - Fire (Hidden Forest)
Red - ??? (Shipwreck/Ark)
Purple - ??? (Vault of Knowledge)
now why is there a fire orb in a water based realm-
im probably tripping
near boneyard
the light is caught at the start of hidden forest though-
Red and purple would be those supposed artificial elements, illusion and knowledge
Oh
ahhhh makes sense
That's cool
purple as knowledge makes sense but where did illusion come from?-
If you look up elements, there conversations here talking about them
lmao i forgot the search thingy exists oof sry
Thanks 
I often think about how the smoke creatures in fire trial have eyes shaped as the illusion element's symbol
Also ye
It's ok
It might have been something related to mirages maybe
ooo
Because we are in the desert
I do feel like the other two orbs will appear in a different season soon
Yeah I think the smokies are hallucinations. The sky kids in the fire trial may have felt overwhelmed, stressed, and scared inside a dark cave with not much light, thus starting to hallucinate. Their hallucinations seem really powerful tho since they disintegrate at the smoke's touch, but perhaps those moments were just sky kids thinking about what would happen if they touched those hallucinations.
what does it say after we finish fire trial again?
I don't remember
Me neither
You know, if we are dark creatures trying to protect a lil flame, we may have also instinctively locked down to protect our light (in both fire and water), accidentally smothering it
But maybe the "end gift"
Is courage
Yeah it should be iirc
It means overcoming fears
Maybe knowledge element was somewhere in Earth trial because we had to think hard in order to pass the maze, maybe using our knowledge and experiences of being in similar situations and applying them to the maze
Ye
ahh so it's "Wisdom of Courage"
Sadly, these wisdoms aren't very air wisdom
Basically yes
Lmao
Lmao
i like how im so invested into this more than my math studies
Water trial is fun btw
Also I might have a theory about prophets
which prophet are we talking about?
Yeah that's exactly what I wanted to say
Thatskybot seems to hate prophets
Or despise them atleast
Lol
what if...
@pastel brook is actually the king-

Careful, Skybot could make the list of narrators
But perhaps the prophets did something wrong?
Or maybe thatskybot was really the king and he's jealous bc the prophets are teaching us stuff

we do die in the trials but revive right?
does it apply to the spirits before as well? or they ded ded 
Well they're spirits so ye they're dead
Plus we see their bodies as burnt up and ashed
no wonder "beware the trials"
are the elders dead too?
Also I wonder if sky kids can feel pain or feel anything physical? When they light their candle, they take out the light from their chest, essentially their heart? Wouldn't that hurt? Also, when they get thrown back or burnt, they don't seem to care. They just get up and continue doing whatever without expressing pain.
I mean their statues do look like the Graves of the spirits
Nah they're just vibin in another place out in space somewhere
Perhaps they do but they got used to it
wonder how they got there
Do we have to spoiler tag stuff here?
Plus this is sky lore so if you come here you're expecting to see spoilers
Oh well just in case lol ||in the end of eden when the sky kid essentially "dies" it does look like it's in pain||
no need to spoiler tag that
you don't have to spoiler lmao the whole chat is a spoiler
It probably does indeed feel pain there. Possibly their light is being corrupted by darkness or those red crystal things falling from the sky.
I feel like it isn't in pain but lacking energy since we run out of light
Yeha maybe
I see that light in their chest as their heart. I'd imagine if corrupted, it would feel like a major heart burn.
But then again they are like stuck in a dead-resurrection circle so maybe they lost the ability to feel pain
and maybe how the spirits die is the same for us
we ascend and get absorbed into orbit
I mean we fly with them right?
Plus when you want to light someone up you expose your vulnerable part to them
...our candles?-
Yeah
That would be the sky kid's core and to light someone up you have to take the candle out of the core and expose it
we literally die to rescue light
then all we get is fancy candles lmao
Yeah we do fly with other creatures that want to revive too
Lmao it's like a prize
Or a consolation gift
so spirits get absorbed into orbit and are now stars
when we need something we jus call them from their constellation
and how we relive them is through their graves?-
Yeah
s a d
Yeah
aaahhh cuz we see them offer our wing buff in orbit too- ooohhhh
It's sad that their whole life purpose is basically to sacrifice for others
And then ve reborn to sacrifice again
at least we get to socialize-
Ye
and instruments
Yeah and at least we can choose not to go alone in eden
We can bring people to be reborn with us
It's like we live in purgatory
Also I'm guessing Eden used to be a peaceful place? The name Eden means bliss and paradise.
it's full name is Eye of Eden right?
Yeah
so I guess it was a royalty kind of place, guarding all the beautiful realms
Yeah there's a theory that says eden was the project of a beautiful city
That took its energy from the big diamond but then somehow it broke and destroyed everything
the top castle that broke off looks amazing, probably explains how beautiful and high-tech eden was
Maybe someday we'll get to see how past Eden looked
Yeah but maybe they got greedy for power and then it all turned on them
Yeah
Maybe one day we'll get to see it and maybe even wasteland
Eden likely got corrupted by greed and too much pollution from technology
Prophecy murals shows everyone praising something not even shown
it has been foretold that @glad galleon will seek a deeper understanding... AND FAIL 
Maybe Eden was like a utopia of a huge city
They are praising a person in the center of all the murals
i have high hopes u shush- 
But we don't know who it is even though people say it's probably the king
Those were probably before the greedy king/prince
Was thinking it was the Eden elder but some people say Eden was also the king or the prince, right?
I mean, it kinda would make sense since it's a propechy we're talking about
I feel bad for Eden
I still haven't got how Gratitude - Rhythm are connected to the current seasons-
The eden elder is most likely the king or prince
Yeah me neither honestly
In the last vault of knowledge cutscene we can see who is probably the king
mhm looks like it
I have questions about the kid we hugged on our way to orbit
w h o d e t ?
Hmm the light one?
yepp
That's us
oh phew
you too ^^
I have to go now, take care

i ws just bored xD
Lol
Maybe our light was taken out of us when dying in Eden and that's where it ended up. It's sitting down in a sad position because for a bit there, it was sitting there alone.
But that means our light has a consciousness, and so do our bodies without the light.... So what the heck
We without our light had to walk up to our light
How can a body function without its soul
our soul looks like a blue light when we die right?
idk how to use that info- sjdhsjdhf
So wait then that yellow light probably wasn't our souls/light then
Maybe the yellow light we see sitting down is just our own reflection. Maybe another ego, our identity, something psychology related.
well skids are a hybrid between darkness and light as show in this concept
ooo
so it has nothing to be involved with the prince or smthn? it's just a light which is a part of us?
Probably
wha- megabird?-
So.... "Connected" in that image is our brain and "indifferent" is our body? The two connected are simply us completed?
i think of our dark bit of us is like a protection to our lighter bit
@glad galleon megabird is god. They birthed us.
w o a h
technically megan is orbit
oh so that's megan-
If you look at megabird in the end credits, they're purely light and we're light in a body. We're also bird like and can fly. Our cloaks are like wings, representing that we're a part of megabird since they're also represent of a bird.
oooohhhhh okay
Idk if that's how it works that's just how I think of it
this lore is d e e p
Ye
Also is this a globe or a clock
Been observing everything in sky lately and I want to know what the meanings are behind objects we see daily
planets
i mean you see planets in yhe credits
Ye
I thought it was like some Sky Olympics or smthn-
Yeah it does, since Valley is quite sporty with flying and skiing so I thought it was made for some global event
plus the big arena
Probably, I mean where did the people from Ark come from-
There's boats even
either they work for the current land already or-
been thinking about prophet masks and u ever think the maze symbolizes a spider’s web
Maybe one day I can be a prophet too! 
I hope that there's a ton of land expansion in the game in the future and onward
@sinful anvil nope
What's up with you and prophets
oop I searched the meaning of a Citadel since that's where the globe is
a fortress, typically on high ground, protecting or dominating a city.
Oooo
Maybe Valley of Triumph has a "Roman" kind of backstory
It does seem Roman like
Maybe the portals to all the six levels are teleportions to places all around the sky globe
And the romans watch warrior stuff at the Colosseum right?
Maybe it's the same for Valley
(elements <-> prophet masks
water - sea turtle swims in water
earth - maze is like a spider’s web — it is circular & as a labyrinth would with walls connecting circular walls
air - bats fly
fire - lions are known to be fierce)
Maybe valley wasn't originally for sand sledding
It’s just as the prophets foretold 
but the realms seem closely connected
especially hidden forest and wasteland
the pollution of golden wasteland have polluted clouds
We literally just fly to the next level after talking to elders
I forgot this since I usually go home then enter a portal and skip talking to elders
xD
the masks do tell what the trials are like indeed
Man and here I was still kinda struggling with the Spider meaning lmao
Also morning ya'll
Hello
Sooo...
Prairie has the nature/sanctuaries
Forest has the blacksmiths
Valley has the warriors
Golden Wasteland has the guards
Vault has the professors
on first hand it looks ironic that forest has blacksmiths bc its a natural environment
elder was a blacksmith-
You'd get a lot of natural resources in forest
Valley's a technicality in which they don't breed warriors- but instead athletes
Wasteland is the actual military
Yeah
guess as close to gods elders arent a “protect the environment” sort of guys
so Citadel has a different meaning for Valley?
I think vault elder would definitely be for protecting the environment lel
Citadel iirc was a place for scholars
Those globe things were for studying the night sky
me listening with popcorn, cause this chat is interesting
OOOOOO
o o o h h h
IT WAS A GLOBE
You listen to text?
actually the name for that was Orrery

Yes indeed
Woah
An Amillary Sphere to be exact
the globe is named Orrery?
Not a globe
An orrery is apparently a clockwork model for a solar system
ahhhhh
Seems like a small solar system
My brain's just not working yet it's like- 5 am here
But ye that's what they were called
Valley was a city of leisure and was kind of a capital before Eden
This is the chat of the big brains
I wonder why the citadel was made in the Olympics area?
im not big brain-
I'm big brain
but thank you for calling me such a powerful name for me-
But remember how high Valley was
Valley was pretty high-
It's a place with high altitude- perfect for observing the night Sky
Makes sense
Plus it wasn't like Valley was all sports
That was just a defining factor of it
It's still just a city after all
So does Valley having a "Roman" vibe still count?
Yep- Romans place a lot of value in both sport and intellect
Ancient Rome architecture
So it holds up culture-wise
This too
that's so cool-
You could consider Rome a time when ancient civilization peaked too- just like how Valley is mostly considered narrative-wise to be Adulthood- at least, the part where you're supposed to be at the prime of your life
Isn't valley of triumph a representation of adulthood too
Well
You kinda said that
Jgsigdskgkdh
triumph kinda means victory right?
yep they seem like the peak of sky civilization
Explains why I don't like valley that much atm. Too much adulting going on looool 😩
But yeah, Valley did seem like a really cool peak civilization until their eventual collapse. I always wondered if they were ruled by the twin elders or of the twins were the kids of some older elder who just got lost
I wonder what happened to it :((
The twins were once one, right?
Isle Elder: have you seen my feral grandchildren
That's one of the concepts iirc- idk if it fully carried over
I heard that since they live in a high elevation, an avalanche affected them right after the huge eden explosion
Considering most of the Valley's covered in so much snow I wouldn't doubt that
plus the bits of buildings buried under that snow
There's a floating castle in OOB, which leads me to believe some of the elders managed to escape somehow. While the Twins stayed behind with their people
Idk if we should be taking OOB into consideration lore-wise
I feel like OOB's are just extra stuff for cutscenes xD
They do look visually interesting, but it's still somewhat the same with the original land
Probably not, but it's fun to play around with, coming up with those wild ideas lol
Things that you see in oob sometimes are just activations and texture related stuff etc
True
The only purposeful oob I think would be office
And that place you go under before entering rainforest
Heck even office is just a giant easter egg
it's just tgc being uwu to the game i guess xD
not me talking big brain for an hour straight here lmao
i should really sleep, I still gotta compose some sky-music stuff :'))
woww
This wonderful place is always chill
I wonder how the lore will turn out when new season arrives
No clue but I have a feeling we'll get more even before then
I'm still hoping for a Season of Harmony but idk how that will fit the lore x'D
I still have to catch up on what the current theories are for the murals in the cave 
I'm sure a Season of Harmony could happen!
Currently there's two recurring theories on who shiny boi is lol
It's either the Prince or it's us
And so far both sides have convincing arguments
i mean we wouldn't be sobbing since we technically don't know what we're doing lmao
Ever since completing Eden for the first time, I always saw it as us
too confused for tears
like sob even idk what happened but still sob
i meant the Shiny Mural boi ckdkfkdk I should have clarified
Oh
technically you're not wrong tho cuz like that's also two recurring theories I see on the Eden shiny boi
Dis mural boi
Nope
Been out for a week in Fire Trial
that’s the end mural for fire trial
You gotta light up the braziers my guy
you need to light the pots of fire on the floating rocks
The light boi has what looks like a crown on his head so
o h
I always kinda assumed we as kids were either created, or were fragments of the King trying to bring balance. Maybe both??? Since you know, put fire and air and water and earth together makes something. Eventually
I think it has, yeah
time is an illusion, buy gold, byeeee
Skids created from the elements is a new one ngl-
but it's also very true-
When making earthenware anyway
I dunno, that's what I'm getting from that mural. All the elemental symbols coming together to create something. Maybe recreating the King. Maybe recreating a lot of Kings/Queens
The title would be kinda empty if there were a lot of them wouldn't it
It seems like that person in the center whoever it is just became one with the elements, and weren't created from them
Yep- we actually see shiny mural boi in other parts of the murals
When you light up the brazier it isn't just that- I just don't have pics cuz I haven't finished the trial yet :'DDD
Glowy mural boi appears in the other parts of the other murals too
oo
back and couldn't find but one pot to light up
I think maybe he's like an Avatar that controls all four elements or something
Thank you Brick :'DDDDD
I SWEAR HE'S AVATAR OR SOMETHING
isn't that the same effects when we level up a wing?
Plus this season seemed to have been made this year when Avatar: The Last Airbender was raising in popularity so



yall actually have the emotes wow
