/pffft
#lore-discussion-spoilers
wet talon
Or maybe warriors that died in vault after surviving gw?
bitter shale
i have two theories tho, a normal one and the darker one
first theory : those tombstones are part of the vault illusions. they are exist as rememberance for vault people who died when eden went boom and the Praying Acolyte remains tehre to pray for their peace
2nd theory : those tombstones are for people who are used as experiments in vault. you remember those memory lanterns that literally pilee up in vault? well, i suspect they are doing some 'shady' experiments to create memory lanterns by taking people memories and storing it on lantern. of course there would be lots of sacrifice, so they build a hidden grave area in vault and the Acolyte is the one who manage the burial
hushed steeple
Maybe theyre from Wasteland?
hushed steeple
Experiments tho
pseudo heart
Most likely though
pseudo heart
Angst is the way amiright
wet talon
Btw is there a sign for the king
hushed steeple
Yeah
bitter shale
yeh
wet talon
bitter shale
oh btw i taking this pic in office, thanks kadal for the help
pastel brookBOT
The prophecy??! don't trust what the Elders say!!
bitter shale
mmmm not really
bitter shale
The prophecy??! don't trust what the Elders say!!
you cant tempt me, skybot. i will always believe asparagus-mushroom twins
hushed steeple
Lol, be one with the Twins
gilded fossil
/pfffy
bitter shale
btw
this head shape is teh same with our instrument wardrobe symbol
gilded fossil
/oh yea very tru
willow shoal
like this?
hushed steeple
It looks like a person
gilded fossil
/does that mean we carry prince on our back>
willow shoal
the king
lethal stump
they’re likely connected
bitter shale
willow shoal
most mysterious season than ever
bitter shale
behind my skid-
willow shoal
bitter shale
the same symbol
hushed steeple
gilded fossil
/i was i had a penny
willow shoal
also this
gilded fossil
/everytime we see king symbol
willow shoal
wet talon
The prophecy is our destination lmao we save the king? The instruments have a bit of him?
hushed steeple
That thing you marked as "gate?" are more like bird statues johnny
bitter shale
maybe it thanks to his light that we can have instruments-
wet talon
The instrument symbol is everywhere tbh
willow shoal
yea
frail hearth
Wait wait wait hold the phone
wet talon
The shield of wasteland elder has it
willow shoal
i mostly think it’s Light
gilded fossil
/bird statues!
pseudo heart
WAIT HOLD UP TOO
willow shoal
not instruments
wet talon
wet talon
Omg btw are the shrines at temples representing the elders
willow shoal
we could find it even in Prairie port
pseudo heart
THE PROPHWCY CAVE MURAL
frail hearth
Res said something about the admiring actor music sheet having king's theme or smth, so the instruments and the king are somehow related
bitter shale
wut
pseudo heart
THE ONE WITH TSADI AND THAT LONG BOI BUILDING
willow shoal
pseudo heart
Does the air trial mural depict Tsadi bringing the fire to the Vault temple??
It seems like it,,,
gilded fossil
/strange
ornate olive
Well people said the wasteland elder was lighting a cannon
willow shoal
||Tsadi was a brave warrior||
ornate olive
Which to me personally doesn't make much sense
gilded fossil
/why tsadi but the pic here is at forest
pseudo heart
No no I was talking about the air trial mural
willow shoal
Forest and Wasteland have something similar
bitter shale
likely its depicting forst burning
pseudo heart
ornate olive
Ive always that it was odd that there was a shrine under the diamond press
gilded fossil
/oop must sneeep happy loring yall
bitter shale
good noight jen
ornate olive
So maybe by putting her shrine under it can make power diamonds without waste
Considering we don't see any sewage pipes there
bitter shale
might be as a 'rememberance' since Teth is suggested to eb the founder of manta juicer?
hmm yea
or maybe it just made in the shape of manta juicer but its not actually a working one
ornate olive
But it does seem to move at the end after she makes the diamond
pseudo heart
Also speaking of shrines
I wonder why the home shrine in the last area of the forest doesn't look like the others
ornate olive
Wait it doesn't?
pseudo heart
Nope
willow shoal
ornate olive
I don't really use the home shrines so I wouldn't know xd
willow shoal
screenshot?
willow shoal
you mean the scales?
pseudo heart
Scales?
willow shoal
oops i maybe misunderstood
bitter shale
ah, its fine
pseudo heart
I'm running low on battery and running to forest takes very long but the area before the temple's home shrine looks like this
Took it from Sky's wikia
Manta statues?
Hm no,, no tails tho
pseudo heart
I mean the bell near it did summon the four winged manta
But yeah I wonder why it looks like that instead of the normal vault elder looking home statue
willow shoal
pseudo heart
I think this supports
The Teth manta juicer theory 
There's no other logical explanation
Lore chat kinda dead so imma sneep now
pastel brookBOT
pseudo heart
SKYBOT
hushed steeple
Nothing sky bot says is lore related
pseudo heart
Skskjsdhjs I know but it's weird for them to message that
celest spoke
There’s a fishtail home shrine in GW battlefield too, in the broken gatehouse area w giant plant
hushed steeple
I think the giant skull in wasteland near catapult and the water prophecy mask look similar
ornate olive
The water mask is based on a turtle
solar relic
the skulls in graveyard are of turtles too
glad galleon
Sometimes i question everything that I walk on in Sky, this is one of the "sometimes"-
pastel brookBOT
I'm not falling for that again
safe yacht
Ok, but hear me out.
What if there’s so many krills in Eden because it was the city with the most powerful warriors so there had to be so much darkness to take over it? The Point of No Return is where the best of the best warriors went to see if they were worthy enough or whatever to guard Eden.
dim maple
The eden channel just dropped a total pearl
safe yacht
The what?
dim maple
They said that in Japanese, Eden is called Original Sin. The original sin was eating of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
safe yacht
Oh. Yeah. That makes sense.
safe yacht
Wait.
So what if that was where the darkness started and it spread out which is why each realm is less and less affected (for the most part)?
dim maple
Whatever the king ate, that's what caused the giant crystal
short owl
An important thing tho is it's not a perfect translation from Japanese back to English
dim maple
Is it imperfect enough to suggest that it's not a biblical allusion?
short owl
While we suspect it is very much tied to setting off the mess we come to, it may not be a sin like we usually think of one.
dim maple
Original Sin is a pretty unmistakable concept
short owl
I am not japanese (just repeating what I've heard), so I'd say it's not perfect enough to guarantee a biblical translation
safe yacht
Well, in the Bible, the “original sin” was eating the fruit and that’s what allowed sin to come into the world.
That may be representing the darkness.
solar relic
sorry to interrupt but actually, original sin is what comes up in japanese for the stormlock area
dim maple
That's the thing about an allusion, us that it's not a translation, but an acknowledgement of a past work. Might be direct or indirect.
Naming something original sin is a pretty direct allusion
Scares, so just for the end, not all of eden?
solar relic
yeah
dim maple
So the area where the giant crystal is
solar relic
yes
eye of eden, as in the level name, or just eden name in general in japanese is just stormy region
short owl
Also do not forget knowledge was a key part of the biblical story
Knowledge is Vault tho
dim maple
Knowledge of good and evil, specifically
safe yacht
We’re in the lore channel. There’s so many things that we don’t know so really, any of us could be right or we could all be wrong.
Maybe we’re looking to deep into things instead of just enjoying how beautiful Sky is.
dim maple
There's a screenshots channel
short owl
Ok but what if I think the lore is beautiful and I wanna enjoy that
Distruction is pretty
safe yacht
Yeah. Lore is great. I love to theorize.
I’m definitely not dissing lore.
dim maple
So to me, that allusion suggests that the crystal was formed on the spot where the king ate the round object
ornate olive
How do you know the king ate it?
dim maple
Going off of vault mural
ornate olive
Original sin doesn't have to specifically refer to eating something
Sure in the bible that's what it is
hushed steeple
We do enjoy sky lore and the beauty of the game together 
somnia
short owl
Personally I think that's the crystal that made the Prince into King, and ultimately into the monster that skids had to deliver flame to in the concepts
sacred rapids
is it just me or is the home island today floating?
dim maple
I wouldn't think about it so literally if there wasn't a picture of the king eating something right before vault elder gets all weepy
hushed steeple
That round object not something he ate i think... That has other functions to do
ornate olive
The king could literally be holding the orb up
hushed steeple
I imagine Home floating is probably for game functionality though—
ornate olive
At no point does it show the king eating it
short owl
He mau have been kneeling to it and screaming
dim maple
Yes, except they named that area original sin
hushed steeple
I mean, if it’s part of a ceremony, it’s always possible he’d be saying a prayer or rite of some sort to the sacred object
short owl
It could have been eating him
ornate olive
You could suppose anything from that mural
The king isn't even holding the orb
It's floating up
dim maple
This is how synthesis works...you connect references conceptually
hushed steeple
Exactly. They murals are really vague
dim maple
But have it your way
ornate olive
I mean the first thing is if elders even eat
dim maple
He was just playing with a beach ball and original sin means he didn't share nice
solar relic
i agree it could be a reference to the eating of the forbidden fruit but i think could be in a more metaphorical sense the king/eden elder ate the fruit, like perhaps he might have literally bit off more than he could chew or he had consumed too much of his pride and thirst for power
or you can be like me and say he was trying out his new lush bathbomb
short owl
Resh: Ugh, finally some time for hygine.
Bath bomb: destroys world
Resh: When I said I wanted something cleansing, this is NOT what I meant.
sinful anvil
okok but what boggles me is previous murals show elders performing their functions, like doing something for their people (eg look at forest elder’s mural), but then there’s the king. its like he’s doing jack for the people worshipping him but idk if i interpreted right & ofc theres more between the lines
hushed steeple
It's the same orb thing that king holding in vault mural i believe
It's like that orb was used for connecting creatures with megabird
It says the same
short owl
Oh yeah I forgot about the theory that he was actually ripping out his light
hushed steeple
There's a full image of this office water one.. but i can't share here. If anyone want to see dm me
ornate olive
That would make a lot more sense
Considering all the other vault murals show what the elders did on a daily basis
Like isle was directing people and prairie mural has the butterflies
The vault mural of the king would most likely be whatever responsibility they had before the corruption of eden
dim maple
Keeping the fruit
ornate olive
Do fruit even exist in sky
dim maple
Keeping the "fruit"
ornate olive
Like I get the biblical reference but original sin isn't a one and done with eating
dim maple
I like to use a reference until I've wrung all the meaning out of it
ornate olive
Original sin refers to the fact that people have an innate tainted nature
dim maple
That would be an opinion, not a fact, but sure
dim maple
It's literally the first sin ever committed, which was eating the forbidden fruit
ornate olive
Uh it was disobeying god
dim maple
It's conceptually innate corruption
But I believe it's a matter of opinion whether people are inherently sinful
lethal stump
it’s still debated what the « original sin » is. depends on your denomination honestly
although i think it’s pretty accepted that the original sin is disobeying god
it’s just the semantics that are contested
dim maple
Sure, yes. It was an act of defiance and arrogation.
Which, again...seems like it must be relevant to the catastrophe in eden
ornate olive
I mean yeah I'd agree with that
dim maple
So...what was forbidden in this case, and forbidden to whom?
This case meaning eden catastrophe
lyric isle
Completely irrelevant, but can I just point out that the Belonging spirits all appear the appropriate ages for the life stages their respective realms represent?
sly kestrel
Both of those facts were confirmed so yes
ornate olive
So...what was forbidden in this case, and forbidden to whom?
@dim maple I mean Id agree with you on the point you made before about the king guarding or keeping something, just not the eating part.
sly kestrel
Their age/cape/realm are all connected
ornate olive
I think it's been confirmed they're the same
dim maple
I just read through the Canon doc and didn't see that
solar relic
it hasn't been confirmed, but many people think they are the same
dim maple
Understood
ornate olive
I mean to be fair the vault mural doesn't exactly look like the king
Unless that's what the king looks like without the robes and mask
unkempt galleon
I have a lil theory about the Krills
Ok so, since sky is a game about life and death, does that mean the Krills are meant to represent the roadblocks u meet in ur life?
Or maybe they are supposed to be the stuff that stops u from dying? Since they make u take longer to get to eden?
Just a theory
sturdy moon
Hey, uh, quick question I've always had:
King is/was(?) an elder, right? If so, why does he look so different from the other ones?
fallen epoch
I'M BACK! I'll be observing for now and shutting down people's ideas
And we don't have any official art of the king
sturdy moon
Yesss, vibe check those ideas queen/king.
fallen epoch
Excuse me?
solar relic
official art or concept art? 
short owl
Technichally the concepts are official, just not up to date or current cannon
solar relic
kom - that depends on your interpretation of the king. it could be that the king was an elder (the eden elder,) or he was a completely different being from the elders but maybe he tried to reach status of elder by being king, etc. these are just some of the many possible takes regarding the king
also please don't shut down other people's ideas lol that is not the point of this channel, thank you
ornate olive
I have a lil theory about the Krills
Ok so, since sky is a game about life and death, does that mean the Krills are meant to represent the roadblocks u meet in ur life?Or maybe they are supposed to be the stuff that stops u from dying? Since they make u take longer to get to eden?
Just a theory
@unkempt galleon I mean if that's how you see it
It's harder to pinpoint metaphorical things
fallen epoch
Actually, I can field this one
@unkempt galleon The game isn't exactly about life in death, it seems more to me as the balance between it (my interpretation) If there is light, there must be a shadow. If there are mantas, there will be krill. So they could be, but I would rather see them as just the negative.
Excuse me for a moment
ornate olive
You're excused
fallen epoch
I'M BACK!
unkempt galleon
@unkempt galleon The game isn't exactly about life in death, it seems more to me as the balance between it (my interpretation) If there is light, there must be a shadow. If there are mantas, there will be krill. So they could be, but I would rather see them as just the negative.
@fallen epoch
Didn’t the game designer say so in an interview?
unkempt galleon
Lol ok
fallen epoch
Actually, how did the Krill form in the wasteland?
Because clearly it wasn't always a wasteland
unkempt galleon
Maybe from the darkness plants?
fallen epoch
So a factory?
fallen epoch
Well, I am saying that can be included in the umbrella
sly kestrel
But the whole realm is more than that
fallen epoch
Well, you can see a giant ark
Can we add export of goods to the list? :3
Anyways, that is not the part I am thinking about
What is the sludge? it is made within the factories
Not, made made
What is the word
A byproduct
You can see it dripping out of pipes and into the ocean
Could Krill just have been an effect of enviromental devastation?
No one? really? ._.
hushed steeple
what did i miss
fallen epoch
Before or during your lifetime?
short owl
I am that one person who thinks darkness is just trying to protect light, and Krill are the result of light being hurt very badly so the darkness got aggressive to make sure it never happens again
hushed steeple
interesting
short owl
Kinda like how one will develop maladaptive survival tactics when things get too bad, the darkness developed Krill back when it was absolutely nessasary to go to the extremes to defend the poor light from further harm
orchid field
I just realized how cool that the first cutscene in isle is the Eden (rebirth): to new player is a hint that is the destination they wanna go; to the sky children ( avatar ) themselves, the isle somehow recall their memory of orbit where they were created from their (though the avatar barely remember what’s going on before they were born).
sly kestrel
That was a side story that the scholars had, the whole enchantment season took place in wasteland but technically didn’t have much contribution to the realm
They didn’t export any goods at wasteland
fallen epoch
Kinda like how one will develop maladaptive survival tactics when things get too bad, the darkness developed Krill back when it was absolutely nessasary to go to the extremes to defend the poor light from further harm
@short owl Who do Krill kill Mantas then?
Holy crap, I just rewatched the opening intro for the first time since I got the game. That adds so much to my perspective! 😮
lucid swan
I like to post something about the elders after noticing that section in office about life cycle.
Isle elder: when we give him light, he’s reborn
Prairie elder: when we give him light, he creates butterflies for us children to play with.
Forest elder: is temperamental and moody like a teen but is actually misunderstood and means well, even though her methods to take light are brazen.
Valley elders: As new adults in our twenties, we are often trying out new things to see what we really like to do. We compete against ourselves to find new things ourselves and apply them into our life. And the twins compete for that light that would give them happiness.
Wasteland elder: is a fully fledged adult with the responsibility of protecting someone, but like all adults protecting something, they are lost, they are hurt, they are weak, but they are still willing to stand and fight. It is us children finally taking their responsibility as our own by passing them the light that finally puts them at rest.
Vault elder: an old knowledgable lady who is willing to teach everyone her wisdom she has gathered over the years of her long life. She’s patient and is actually happy to talk to all the children and doesn’t outright ask the children to give the light to her.
Eden Elder: that elder is already dead, probably killed by the Dark Dragons. That’s why spirits cannot possibly survive in that realm for long. But the dead elder doesn’t like the children dying because of her blunder so she as a dead soul uses her remaining light to help the children rescue the stars(wl)and help them reach the orbit where they can be reborn as reward for saving all those stars.
lucid swan
Yeah, I know that, but perhaps their dead spirits are trying to tell us a story through this.
fallen epoch
I don't really look to much into the elders
I'm more interested in the balance and the cycle of rebirth
lucid swan
Hmm, I feel like the elders have the answer somewhere hidden, since they literally represent the rebirth cycle
short owl
Mantas were farmed for light. That can't have been pleasant. The darkness likely found this unacceptable. To stop this, the darkness may have decided to make that option no longer viable.
dim maple
I think that could be understood in terms of balance, as well
They extracted light, leaving darkness, which wants to interact with light
lucid swan
The answer lies with the Eden elder and thatgamecompany claims that prophecy will answer some questions for us. How about this? The four elders in prophecy saw the dark prophecy so they took some drastic measures that ended up with golden wasteland and Eden.
dim maple
Like carbon in hydrocarbons
short owl
Mantas that were not caught would pass safely through the clouds above or travel around. Mantas that were caught would never be juiced. Either they escape krill and ancestor both, or they don't survive long enough to be used
fallen epoch
...
short owl
Thus the ancestors would lose reason to catch mantas for juicing
dim maple
Sorry, carbon would be like darkness
sly kestrel
lucid swan
Do tell
short owl
I'd need to find it, but it shows how to make power diamonds
And the mantas got juiced
Bodies became sludge
#lore-discussion-spoilers message this one is not as explicit
dim maple
Maybe they chucked eden elder into a juicer
fallen epoch
...
Do you have true and factual evidence to show that krills "juice" mantas for light because the darkness willed it to
dim maple
Where did krills juicing mantas come from?
They clearly eat them or consume them in some way as per GW scene
But I don't think anybody said they do it the same way as ancestors
short owl
Not krills juicing mantas. Ancestors juicing mantas
fallen epoch
...
So ancestors juiced mantas
And the darkness didn't like that
so the darkness created krills
...That kill mantas
Am I missing something here?
short owl
Destroying a resource is a good way to get people to stop using it
dim maple
I would frame it as ancestors appropriated light, which caused an imbalance that manifested as mechanisms for darkness regaining light
short owl
Also better to kill quickly rather than allow a slow death of being juced alive
fallen epoch
If Krills killed mantas to stop them from getting used, how come that didn't play a bigger part in the story?
short owl
Because they were one of the TOO DARK things that got cut
short owl
I wish I found the juicer rather than the trap concept
fallen epoch
Where does the light go?
dim maple
Into diamonds
dim maple
In forest and GW
short owl
The bodies became goop
dim maple
Who says mantas have bones
short owl
Sludge
fallen epoch
Mantas have bones
It is due to a more unusual kind of death
What about the darkness? Why would it hope to accomplish?
Doesn't the goop benefit the darkness?
Why would it want the goop to stop?
dim maple
You're anthropomorphizing a force of nature
fallen epoch
No, I'm being toxic and pointing out the holes in this theory
But go ahead, I wont disturb you anymore XD
Believe what you'd like to believe, my guy. The game is open to anything :3
dim maple
Oh, so just trolling. I'm fine to be done with you then.
fallen epoch
Well, I wasn't trolling, I don't do that. I was trying to give my views on his theory
But in a very rude way
Sorry about that!
dim maple
You've overestimated how cool and edgy being rude makes you seem
ornate olive
Let's keep it respectful in here ok
fallen epoch
I know. I didn't exactly mean it like that
ornate olive
We're here to share theories and ideas and every one is entitled to their own
fallen epoch
I was getting angry but then I realized it is all opinionated and it wasn't my place to be that guy
I guess my apology just came out wrong
Anyways, I'll shut up now
X/
short owl
The darkness doesn't want mantas to be goop bc then the light is being hurt and that's not good! Manta goop should be in mantas protecting manta light!
Also I am more hurt by you thinking I'm a guy than I am you challenging my theory
ornate olive
Who says mantas have bones
@dim maple all creatures of light leave bones
fallen epoch
._.
ornate olive
If they die in unnatural ways
dim maple
Lol
fallen epoch
I'm still going to shut up
But I'm sorry again for being a jerk. This is an amazing community and I don't want to make it worse
dim maple
All forgiven on my part
fallen epoch
dim maple
With mutual apology for any misunderstanding
fallen epoch
These emojis are so cute
rocky nacelle
(On how GW might have looked like before the fall
(Managed to grab one pic before I fell into nothingness :>
fallen epoch
I'll be back on this chat tomorrow when I feel like I've been away long enough, I feel embarassed because of how I acted :/
stark oracle
So was no one gonna tell me that the SAME WORM THATS IN FOREST IS ALSO IN GW
Yall i almost had a freaking heart attack 😭
kind bobcat
...it's been that way since Sky was Sky
sacred rapids
well they both are whales but it's not curtain they are both the same one
since that one is more chunky then the one in forest
kind bobcat
That whale's a part of some pretty convincing theories too.
stark oracle
...[me when I started sky, flew away from the big roaring sound and never looked to see what it was. And also never went back to investigate said sound]
@sacred rapids its been feasting...
It ain't no vegetarian like the one in forest
At least that one maintains its distance
sacred rapids
I managed to get a good pick of what looks like the mantas soul after getting krilled
kind bobcat
Where are the juicers?
Behold the forest temple
Manta soul
I've never seen that small detail before
stark oracle
Oop
Me neither, I always either turn away or im already at the entrance to graveyard by then
sacred rapids
and from something that someime said a while ago the "soul" looks like the stuff the vault elevator has around it
but also looks like wax
kind bobcat
The dark flake things?
stark oracle
Could it also be a version of those sparkles that come out of that metal thing at the very end of forest? Before the doors open up and you're allowed into the last forest area?
stark oracle
@summer shell this is what I found in courtesy to this wonderful person
But nothing too in depth sorry
short owl
There's one that shows the manta being juiced
stark oracle
Mmmmmmm lemme see if I can find it
sacred rapids
oh so that's what those jar things are around the shrine
short owl
And becoming sludge
stark oracle
I didnt find anything
eager shore
ge e z
dim maple
Scroll down a bit from the last time somebody posted the g rated version...is that it?
sly kestrel
There was never a concept of mantas being juiced
If there was
I think it would b pretty nice if u actually had proof don’t u think 🤔
Where is this concept 
ornate olive
Its still in my belief that they used bones
but I still can't find where I saw the bones being charcoal
I swear Im not insane or anything
ember temple
Whoa this I never heard of before
hushed steeple
ornate olive
ok so here's why I think bones are or at least part of what goes into power diamonds
for starters we know when light creatures have unnatural deaths they leave bones
willow shoal
ornate olive
so pressing mantas would get you charcoal as a result
and then when that charcoal is compressed it becomes a darkstone
similar to how diamonds are created irl
willow shoal
Charcoal?
ornate olive
yeah
like I said above I swear I read somewhere the bones are made out of charcoal
but regardless
even if it wasnt charcoal
willow shoal
seems like fossil
ornate olive
compressing it to high pressures would be similar to diamonds irl
and it would explain the existence of the graveyard
for starters if you were to have a factory youd need raw materials
like a lot of it
willow shoal
guys, they used Prairie butterfly pot to produce diamond, not mantas
hushed steeple
There might be natural dark stone as well as synthetic dark stone, same w diamonds, and when they ran out of stuff to mine they still needed the technology…
ornate olive
most likely the forest press used butterflies
but in the case of wasteland, you cant really transport butterflies there
considering the storm and the fact that its pretty far away
willow shoal
but we have boats
ornate olive
theres the storm
and even if you did use boats
youre gonna look for a more efficient way
just cause you have planes doesnt mean youre gonna fly over to the next country to buy something
willow shoal
well, boats used to transport ancients and resources, right?
ornate olive
yes but thats beside the point
willow shoal
During the epic battle, kingdom sent warriors to wasteland/eden, they need boats
but some were crashed
boats depend on Diamond’s power to fly
ornate olive
also Im pretty sure on one of the concept art pictures
what went into the press was rock-like
definitely not just a manta thrown in there
willow shoal
so you think some dark stone was made by ancients?
ornate olive
possibly
thats more up in the air
I mean the manta in the press never made much sense to me considering darkstone takes in light
willow shoal
we really saw there’s a Hunter in forest, but what the manta was used is still unclear
ornate olive
so if you just threw in a manta it wouldnt make sense as to why it suddenly saps light
willow shoal
maybe you could have a look at the Temple door
that’s how they made the source of power
Forest is a place full of joy and sadness
CN editor said forest used to be a amusement place for ancients
as we can see ancestors hide’n’seek there
also it’s a sad realm.
with upset miner and hunter
ornate olive
so youd use smaller darkstone to make a larger one?
lethal stump
2 units light and 2 units darkness
the modern day « darkstone » is likely the dark plants
willow shoal
Amazing chemical reaction
lethal stump
and considering we see miners mining « light stone » we can assume the 2 units light are butterflies/mantas and light stone
willow shoal
yea
lethal stump
and the 2 units darkness are dark plants and ???
ornate olive
bone??
lethal stump
bones in game aren’t really associated with a specific element
willow shoal
if bones, there won’t be any bones at all
ornate olive
hey bricky did you ever come across any concept art that said bones were made out of charcoal
I swear I saw something like that a few days ago
lethal stump
no, but there was a concept mentioning that the elders/ancestors had charcoal-textured skin
willow shoal
nope they may be burn trees to make charcoal
lethal stump
willow shoal
that’s why there’s lumberjack
short owl
Hey Brick, your history fu is better than mine (not that I intend to stop looking)
willow shoal
short owl
I remember there being a concept art where they juiced a manta for power diamons. they shoowed the manta becoming light and sludge
lethal stump
on it
short owl
I commented something along the lines that it was really messed up
ornate olive
is there anything else in the game that takes light besides the plants and darkstone
lethal stump
ornate olive
i dont feel like the 4th ingrediant would be the red crystals in eden
willow shoal
red crystal may be the fragment of the ark
lethal stump
Light drained out of Creatures
Cages filled with waste are transported away
short owl
Hmm... I don't think tht was it but... I guess it may have been memory warp
ornate olive
huh so then graveyard was probably a dumping ground
although idk how theyd fit that into the machines
willow shoal
cut it up
lethal stump
some related concepts
willow shoal
we cannot see any thorn at present
ornate olive
maybe krill are born from that stuff
willow shoal
krill ate the thorns
ornate olive
What is this building in the distance?
cobalt palm
I think that's the older design of the wasteland temple
ornate olive
That makes sense
cobalt palm
The king symbol used to be a lot more prominent than it is now, but I guess they didn't update the oob background model in shipwreck
ornate olive
Yeah that symbol really sticks out
cobalt palm
If I recall I may have had an old beta photo of it being like that in battlegrounds, maybe not quite as pronounced as that though
Not sure if this goes back far enough, but this was November 2019
Timestamp for reference
https://youtube.com/watch?v=fkqoJjy6wvo&t=687
I'm trying to find an older one
cobalt palm
Here's an older one, August 2019,a little more pronounced, but not as much as I remember
https://youtube.com/watch?v=mzBEEj4oUew&t=2054
gilded fossil
/the pic ceasar sent seem like the king has a halo around his head?
pseudo heart
Halo similar to,, the anubis mask's...
O-oh my god
Graveyard as a dumping site.....
Krills rising from those light drained stuff?
real tendon
could someone link the old elder cutscenes? I can't seem to find them
untold wind
red crystal may be the fragment of the ark
@willow shoal it is, it suppose to be what left from the ark after it explodes.
willow shoal
you summoned me
untold wind
i saw this picture once, that was published by tgc long time ago
where they explain the timeline
i'm not sure if is canon, but it makes a lot of sence to me
you summoned me
@willow shoal haha
raw hamlet
Is there a compilation of all the lore that is considered canon somewhere?
willow shoal
check the pings
raw hamlet
Forgive me, I'm very new to discord. Pings?
willow shoal
yea, each channel has its pings
Canon Lore confirmed by TGC
This is everything we know for certain about Sky, nearly everything else is conjecture.
If there’s anything I’m missing ping me and I can add it.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/10ZWJRGiJSrIXgDvJ4pST61moZbVB_hBExUjOaF-pmOE
raw hamlet
Awesome! Thanks!
raw hamlet
Ah thanks.
willow shoal
so my spelling is still poor
untold wind
yea, each channel has its pings
@willow shoal So, do you now if this is canon? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/632004389137154048/762416084388151306/SPOILER_133b_Sky.jpg
hushed steeple
I noticed before that there were gonna be turrets in Sky
lethal stump
So, do you now if this is canon? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/632004389137154048/762416084388151306/SPOILER_133b_Sky.jpg
@untold wind thats the old backstory, it’s no longer canon
none of the concepts are canon unless they’re possibly put in-game or confirmed by devs
willow shoal
you mean the previous fortress?
untold wind
@untold wind thats the old backstory, it’s no longer canon
none of the concepts are canon unless they’re possibly put in-game or confirmed by devs
@lethal stump :0 , so they just change the backstory?
hushed steeple
This:
willow shoal
that’s also concept art, it haven’t appeared in game since the beta
hushed steeple
Yeah, it was planned i think
lethal stump
:0 , so they just change the backstory?
that backstory hasn’t been canon for a while, it’s very very old
the current « backstory » has yet to be revealed, if there even is one. the way lore works is the devs give us random threads to weave into our own stories
hushed steeple
Or maybe not
ornate olive
Holy crap that old backstory is actually pretty insane
willow shoal
yea, present world gives us evidences to make theories and find out what happened before skykids born
untold wind
Holy crap that old backstory is actually pretty insane
@ornate olive i know, and it matches everything in my mind, hahaha
that backstory hasn’t been canon for a while, it’s very very old
the current « backstory » has yet to be revealed, if there even is one. the way lore works is the devs give us random threads to weave into our own stories
@lethal stump i get it now, so in every season thet give us clues?
willow shoal
almost
ornate olive
Does trials count as a retcon of the lore?
lethal stump
not every season, but they are working on putting more lore in seasons than before (gratitude, belonging, and rhythm were rather barren for lore)
prophecy is a big exposition dump
willow shoal
but sanc is an exception
ornate olive
I saw a pic that showed trials winning a poll of what players wanted in the game
So it wasn't originally planned?
willow shoal
I think tgc
will concentrate more on seasonal storytelling in the future
tell us back stories and mysteries
lethal stump
they have said as much, yes Johnny
willow shoal
that’s what lorers want
untold wind
one last thing
willow shoal
each new season brings new lores
willow shoal
butterfly
lethal stump
up to you
willow shoal
||Prairie Elder’s treasure||
queen locust
Multi-purposed confetti that you can juice later and turn into diamonds
willow shoal
when we see pots, they most used to store butterfly or light power
queen locust
That said I kind of wonder what those pots were doing down there in the first place
ornate olive
Where was this again?
queen locust
Underground Cavern is... Evidently not underground but could it have been a mine of some sort
ornate olive
Oh I see
untold wind
That said I kind of wonder what those pots were doing down there in the first place
@queen locust i think it's part of the mine
willow shoal
Belonging Secret Cavern
ornate olive
Man I'm missing out
queen locust
We know from Tearful Light Miner that mines exist
I think they were mining for material to make diamonds out of
and man that was a beautiful block of text XD
tacit coral
Lol I need to fix that text
ornate olive
Well from the door of the vault
tacit coral
Sorry for interrupting
queen locust
Tis okie XD
ornate olive
Take your time, wed love to hear what you have to say
willow shoal
@queen locust we can find what’s it used to be in Belonging spirit memories
tacit coral
Eden
🔹 Before the Storm came, Eden was once a peaceful realm, which is a castle, a tall big castle.
🔹 In the castle, all of the Elders and People have feast there.
🔹 And inside the castle, there's a big hollow room with 3 big stones inside, the stones are the artifacts that hits Earth before the elders were born. It was known that these stones are meteorites.
🔹 One day, The King was inside that hollow room, then the Stones glows to Red. The stones are also removing dark aura, which then passed to the King, making him evil and corrupt.
🔹 The Castle was slowly corrupting, until it's too late. The castle was locked by dark clouds. The 3 giant stones come together, forming a Red Diamond
🔹 The diamond was knows as the Eye of Eden which causes the Big Strong Storm in Eden, Causing the Castle to collapse. And the stones becomes Darkness, that then turns to Corrupted Stone, which are the Red Stone you see right now. Everyone inside the eden that time, are ||Dead|| , but the spirits are now out of the castle, which then got in the different realms.
🔹 But the small remaining part, the small castle you see the way to orbit was then left floating high above the storm. The castle was the only way to orbit. The Children inside the castle become statues, and their souls we're now know as Winged Lights
🔹 No one was left behind, everyone died. The Elders souls was now separated in different realms. The King hid somewhere in Eden.
There, that's better
sinful anvil
wait in one part of the memory two of their friends are trapped in rocks. the question is… isnt the place of the memory essentially a small cave, and the rocks part faces the jellyfish temple?
queen locust
Hold on Zed- what was that about 3 stones?
tacit coral
The 3 stones are the gigantic diamond in Eden, also known as the Eye
lethal stump
what makes you think it’s 3 ?
queen locust
Yes but what makes you think that there were three of them that merged into a big diamond
ornate olive
It's cracked in pieces but it fits to be one
tacit coral
If you come closer, you'll see the big crack on the Diamond
Which means it's separated into 3 big pieces
queen locust
It could also just mean that it's broken
ornate olive
Couldn't it originally have been one then just cracked?
lethal stump
not necessarily three, we don’t see all the sides
tacit coral
In my theory, the Eden Castle that's floating is a part of a giant castle in eden
willow shoal
big explosion destroyed the castle and...
untold wind
what about the text in the beggining of the game. " But darkness came, and the stars fell..."
willow shoal
upper part of it just floated
untold wind
does that mean that darkness start way before?
ornate olive
There was probably some infighting or something before they landed in the clouds
The idea of eden being called original sin could attest to that
willow shoal
i think the fallen stars are the trapped souls in eden
queen locust
I still think the Fallen Stars are referring to the Elders
ornate olive
Well where the stars fall it shows the temples building up
So I would think it's the elders
tacit coral
I think there's a king in eden, because at the End Scene in vault, it shows a Crown for Eden
ornate olive
I think we see the original form of the king in the vault mural
tacit coral
Can I ask something, what realm that has no seasons in it yet?
willow shoal
eden
queen locust
Vault technically has Lightseekers and the Archives but idk when the Archives were added
willow shoal
yea
tacit coral
Isle - Prophecy
Prairie - Sanctuary
Forest - Belonging
Valley - Rythm
Golden Wasteland - Enchantment
Vault - Lightseekers
Please tell me if I'm wrong
willow shoal
4 floor was added many structures in lightseekers
willow shoal
Valley also belonging
ornate olive
They're kneeling to you
queen locust
If by King you mean us then there's a possibility lmao
tacit coral
Actually, I'm referring to the finale scene of Seasons
That makes me think that's the realm of each season
untold wind
i don't think they kneel to us
queen locust
saved Isle Elder from arthritis
tacit coral
If all 6 realms (not including Eden) has seasons... Does that mean a the next season will be in Eden?
untold wind
so that's why i think the kneel to him
willow shoal
each realm (6 realm) has its spirit
the same as above
the same as above
the same as above
took place in Wasteland
prairie
isle
queen locust
Imagine completing seasonal events in E d e n
willow shoal
If all 6 realms (not including Eden) has seasons... Does that mean a the next season will be in Eden?
@tacit coral impossible
ornate olive
Bruh
tacit coral
And the trials in Prophecy are just for Training?
ornate olive
Now that would be interesting
tacit coral
Training for the Eden Season?
ornate olive
Trials are relocated to eden except you lose all your wl if you die
willow shoal
Imagine completing seasonal events in E d e n
@queen locust Krill & Debris &Red Crystal: Welcome guests finishing quests in our home
tacit coral
Is it just me or there's someone kneeling and drinking something in a circular glass?
ornate olive
Nah he's just practicing his juggling
willow shoal
eating an apple
ornate olive
I think the king was some kind of keeper
willow shoal
of course he is
ornate olive
Considering you literally don't see them doing anything at all
willow shoal
taller than 6 times of Skykids
queen locust
6 skykids isn't exactly a hard height to top XD
willow shoal
time to make pics
tacit coral
But what if, the next season is really in Eden?
untold wind
Is it just me or there's someone kneeling and drinking something in a circular glass?
@tacit coral That's what i see, like the king holding somthing
lethal stump
an estimated height, 17’4
not canon
queen locust
mmkay nevermind then XD
queen locust
Leftovers from beta iirc
willow shoal
solar relic
yeah that's the old friendship icon from pre-global
pseudo heart
Imagine completing seasonal events in E d e n
@queen locust that would be fun
Poor moffs tho
Imagine having ur first season in Eden
kind musk
Bricky is absolutely fan N°1 of the king 
queen locust
Personally I still don't think we're getting an Eden season- then again we got Prophecy and that's a major deviation from how the seasons came to us so far
willow shoal
gilded fossil
/prophecy was after lore chat was created
/i guess someone's been reading this chat
pseudo heart
I was vibin' in #cozy-sky-discussion
Same
patent veldt
Lol
icy spruce
I-
sinful anvil
silent voices honk and sing, burn away the eden king
lost widget
Oof nice
willow shoal
omg this channel is dead
icy spruce
ikr
Rip
Anyways, how come there's no water symbol on the checkpoint of the water trial but there's symbols of earth in the spawnpoints of earth trial
neat fractal
And no symbols on air trial checkpoints too
icy spruce
True
bitter shale
which part of gw?
queen locust
wait what are those statue thingies-
hushed steeple
Umm wait lemme find a pic that might help you
bitter shale
okie
hushed steeple
Np^^
Remember those pillars are there since when the temple used to be as vault social space
In pre launch beta
Excuse my bad English
willow shoal
I wonder if there’s many connections between trials and colored Light
similar shapes, similar colors
even the similar meanings
hushed steeple
Well let's see like this
Water prophet and turtle mask is related.. as turtles lives in water
Earth and spider also sounds good
Bat and wind prophet matches rather than rat and wind
Yup
willow shoal
but lion and fire...?
hushed steeple
All are connected
thin dirge
Also, their symbolism (like what Boop said) kinda fits
wispy cedar
i wonder if theres anything ||beyond eden||
like after ||orbit and all||
yea but maybe even beyond that? a new realm? im pretty sure theres none but its fun to imagine
same
yep
a season in eden would be cool, but idk how theyd pull it off
hushed steeple
After you enter the gate in orbit you just reborn and come to home
wispy cedar
A timed guide the light in the flying rocks section
@hushed steeple oh no
After you enter the gate in orbit you just reborn and come to home
@hushed steeple ik
bitter shale
Guys
Do you guys think
Home is actually located near eden?
Because i got a proof of it
Also we seems can see orbit from home as well
gilded fossil
/yall the fallen are called shrines
/for some reason
/you know back in light awaits there where full of return shrines in eden
bitter shale
Also it is actually true that skid are the trigger of the ascend
bitter shale
We actually some kind of the lead for ascend
gilded fossil
/well, ít'snot like the fallen wants to regular ascend everyday
/we can do other random stuff
bitter shale
Indeed ._.
undone harbor
wait how do we see orbit from home
bitter shale
okay so
i jist wne ede today
eden
and for a reason i have to go offline after i hug the shiny boy
and of course i got teleported back to home
pseudo heart
gilded fossil
/mhm
bitter shale
its looks like thi
and when im at home chilling (enjoying my capeless self) i noticed
where is this thunder coming from
and then i look at my left
seems like thunders coming from this cloud on the cutscene island
bitter shale
which is remind me, hey, where else we can see thunders?
gilded fossil
/ah no need to spoiler tag that
wispy cedar
oh right i forgot
bitter shale
yep, storm lock
which got me thinking, does home island located near storm lock?
gilded fossil
/ôhhhhhh
bitter shale
or eden mountain
undone harbor
does that mean
the first home space we encounter is an entirely different place?
bitter shale
mmm might be?
but if that the case, why bother to made two version of home islands?
pseudo heart
holds
wispy cedar
wispy cedar
but there are other people in that home too
pseudo heart
Then it's most likely the same homespace
bitter shale
also
only this part of the island is bright
behind me is pitch black
i got up here with a help from my friend
pseudo heart
But something about going to the stormlock that puts the home space on lock
fringe matrix
Hello evreybody
wispy cedar
im pretty sure its just game mechanics coz they tell you theres no going back from there
meager canyon
Hi I'm back
fringe matrix
gilded fossil
/what is it norah
fringe matrix
Havent you ever thought whos bones is that
meager canyon
Omg I forgot em skeletons exist
bitter shale
also in this case
isle door isnt opened
gilded fossil
/thats a whale bone
pseudo heart
There's another homespace island
wispy cedar
is that a helmet or a weird skull
bitter shale
meager canyon
Thats a weird skull@wispy cedar
bitter shale
im bad at taking pictures ngl
pseudo heart
When you look somewhere beyond
wispy cedar
Thats a weird skull@wispy cedar
@meager canyon nice
bitter shale
also eden door looks like this
meager canyon
Maybe the home space when u wake up is a dream
fringe matrix
H-how
meager canyon
@bitter shale I think the lights are the trials
fringe matrix
I meant how did you
bitter shale
wait, they didnt look colored in game...
meager canyon
Wha-
fringe matrix
Is that in beta or somthing
hushed steeple
The mask eyes glows on eden door from long ago when u come back home without completing eden
bitter shale
not beta
fringe matrix
Oh okay i forgot about that
meager canyon
eyes are telling u that u are a coward for not completing eden
bitter shale
dun dun duuuun
hushed steeple
Well i glitched into the closed door and boom there was no red portal as expected
bitter shale
@meager canyon ey, assignment take first xD
fringe matrix
Y> eyes are telling u that u are a coward for not completing eden
@meager canyon yes
bitter shale
i need to stop in the middle of ascend to do my assignment la
meager canyon
Hmmmm
bitter shale
fringe matrix
Hnmmmnnn
wispy cedar
thats one pretty sky
meager canyon
That looks like a dark plant
bitter shale
but only that cloud that ahve thunder
gilded fossil
/eden is in that cloud then
bitter shale
the other cloud that literally located next to it didnt have thunder
meager canyon
The way it looks it doesn't look like a natural cloud... May not even be a cloud
bitter shale
then i believe this is orbit, or at least the light of it
wispy cedar
that actually makes sense- but why is it so low
bitter shale
since only this part of the island that illumated by it
meager canyon
I think that's the sun bud
meager canyon
We are in the sky so the sun placement is different
hushed steeple
U fall like a shooting star from high above after entering the last gate.. so I don't think that light thingy is orbit
fringe matrix
When you enter the game
bitter shale
fringe matrix
It says that youre in the cloulds
meager canyon
Plus in sky there is a night and day so there has to be a sun
bitter shale
wait what
hushed steeple
Flos try to swim on water
bitter shale
no no norah which part of the game that said it
meager canyon
I'm confused
fringe matrix
Whwn you first ebter the game with noa accont
bitter shale
fringe matrix
No*
bitter shale
i have try it
hushed steeple
Umm they fixed it
meager canyon
Wait why is there a ocean in the sky and why so much of it
fringe matrix
Wait why is there a ocean in the sky and why so much of ityeah that makes me confused
@meager canyon
meager canyon
No, no wait wait wait, where really is home?
hushed steeple
It was long time ago
gilded fossil
/what amio
fringe matrix
Oh when was that
gilded fossil
/pffft hahaha
hushed steeple
During rhythm
hushed steeple
It was a bug ←_←
bitter shale
oh anyone have that pic of a dev going to the cutscene island
too sad we cant access it again...
hushed steeple
Ya
meager canyon
We can tell that all the realms are in one universe BC you can fly through all of them not needing to go home, but where is home?
Its not connected to isle bc you have to take a portal to get there. Is it possible that home is in a different universe?
Or a getaway dream from reality?
bitter shale
i really want to go to there to see the thunder clouds closely
hushed steeple
bitter shale
i think home is some kind of a shortcut made to access the realms without any need to transportation
hushed steeple
i really want to go to there to see the thunder clouds closely
@bitter shale we can't bro... I tried so many times.. wind wall sucks
meager canyon
Yes but where is it?@bitter shale
hushed steeple
Ya u asked
bitter shale
tehre is only speculation for now
fringe matrix
WHAT IS HOME
meager canyon
It could all be a dream or in a different universe so maybe nothing there matters
hushed steeple
oh anyone have that pic of a dev going to the cutscene island
@bitter shale
bitter shale
ohh thanks for that amio
hushed steeple
Np^^
gilded fossil
/home is where the heart is
fringe matrix
One starting texts says "Home is where the heart is"
@hushed steeple hmmm what dies that mean
Does*
meager canyon
Oh
meager canyon
But seriously if home is a dream nothing there matters
broken basin
We reside in Megan's heart. :_
fringe matrix
First thing we need to understand what sjy kids" are"
bitter shale
i have speculation
what if 'home' was an island where they created a faster way to reach all realms? like, no use of transportation and no waste of time
and whats a better and faster way to go places other than portals?
so they build those portals on a tiny island, and judging by what i have find today i believe they choos a smol island near eden mountain to build those portals
meager canyon
Hm
broken basin
Sky kids were like angels sent from heaven, ie orbit by megan to the sky world to reunite the elders with their light.
meager canyon
First thing we need to understand what sjy kids" are"
@fringe matrix like anatomy wise? Or like-