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Why are they so significant that we have so many statues even new season, a wall drawing and a bird in the entrance in valley
im thinking something related to megabird :3
I know but there is something about birds we're missing
Aaa?
Like what meaning do they hold
they were probably holy animals to the ancestors
Or significance
A bird fact I know.. that in old beta when you starts playing, a bird guides you thru isle and it turns into wing light later and gives you cape
Ye
Long ago
Whenever my friend takes me there, they always deep bow in front of it tho
that’s between you and your friend lol
Birds again in these bells, even tho they are entended for jellyfish 🐦🤷🏻♂️
those aren’t birds per se
they tend to be a catch-all for light creatures
sometimes they’re mantas, sometimes birds, sometimes it’s unclear
Look carefully i think those are manta
Idk they're a little too smal
It's the same bell we see in isle and prairie i think
do the elders have any names at all?
Isle: Daleth (ד)
Prairie: Ayin (ע)
Forest: Teth (ט)
Valley: Samekh (ס)
Wasteland: Tsadi (צ)
Vault: Lamed (ל)
Prince/Not Corrupt King: Alef (א)
Corrupt King: Resh (ר)
PLEASE NOTE: These names have appeared in concept art and are often used when referring to the elders. They are no longer canon, they are fanon.
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I feel like I’ve seen all the elders names used a few times but never Lamed 
we don’t talk much about her, sadly
Not gonna lie some of those sky symbols look heavily inspired by sanscrit, I put together this pic
& the devs called it skyscrit so...
Might lead to something
Here is another symbol i found
In game sky symbols
howd they get the nunbers 
Ya those numbers don't mean anything
ah
Here is the sanscrit table
i can smell the jpeg compression
Can i hop in on a topic or no?
go ahead
Sure
Whats whit this sword in the lost ark deasert
that’s an anchor
Are you sure?
yes
Poop
aaaaand im gone
Lol I actually gotta go see you
Oof havent been here for a while
i just watched a video about atlantis and realized how similar sky and atlantis are
I'm listening
- had some cool magical resource that made them really powerful
- hubris. hubris everywhere
- collapsing because of overuse of that magic resource and the decadence and hubris that came with it
- now a dead, abandoned civilization in a very hard-to-reach place
and looking at the spirits outfits they seem to be based on a greekish design
ah yes, stereotypical atlantis
exactly
technically atlantis wasn’t a greek civilization, in the original legend it was egyptian or some variation thereof
but hey, popular culture prefers the greek interpretation lol
I think a while ago I compared sky to Atlantis from the disney movie because of the white hair
Lol
which reminds me I need to watch it again
So what do you guys think of the cheering when u begin a race in valley? Some say it’s from spirits, but it looks empty and we can see the spirits.
I think it’s part of our memories (part of the col = prince = king = us theory)
it's mhagic
I refuse to settle for “it’s just SFX”
Does anyone else get Laputa:Castle in the Sky vibes from Sky (and especially Vault?)
I’ve never heard of that lol
....same

do enlighten us
It’s an animated Japanese film by Hayao Miyazaki, Studio Gibhli
The glow crystals (and floating) and the giant engraved cubes feel very reminiscent of the movie
Um oof I don’t know how to explain at all
I get what you mean, they’re kind of similar I suppose
The devs have said that they were inspired by ghibli on some things iirc
This in particular I noticed a little while back looking at the concepts
Although I’m not sure where exactly in the game there are glowing crystals like the ones in laputa, like you said
Cute
LOL
That's up to your interpretation
^^^
I just did a small, dumb comic about a headcanon about the Prince
what do yall think of the new season(?)/promotional image?\
#seasons-events-chat is kinda the place for the new Season discussion
ok
If its something lore related, its fine if you talk about it here
I just did a small, dumb comic about a headcanon about the Prince
oh sounds pretty cool
yea its more about the lore and how the events will impact the canonical sky timeline
Also, the comic i did is about the Prince's star head
Maybe I'll just share it later?
Sure
Tex, fire away!
maybe it has something to do with the creation of the stars
@safe python hey I have deleted your comment as it mentions content that isn't even out in beta. The only way to get it is through hacking and we don't allow discussion of hacking or hacked content here
oh I didn't even know about that thing
Oh, that
please refrain from discussing that content as it is unfair to the majority of the playerbase 
Okay!
Ok 
Hmm... Maybe I'll post the comic now
Aye
Text:
A long time before the fall
Daleth: Okay child. This will be your mask
Text:
Daleth: To represent your position as the Child of Light
(The kid is the Prince btw)
@delicate coral well mainly that large diamond thing in Vault elevator
This is cute 
My headcanon is that the Prince's star head is actually a mask, but it was too big, so it falls on their face
wholesome
Should I share the extra bit?
Your art style man 👌 real good
i usually draw him maskless
Yeye
Ayin: Uhhh... Teth, aren't you the one who made that mask for him?
Teth :Ye?
Ayin: Is it just me, or did you make it a little to big?
Teth: Wut? No I didn't, I made sure it was-
switches to sarcastic tone
Oh wait! It was OUR size! How could I forget! HOW AM I MEANT TO MAKE A MASK THAT SMALL???
lmao i looked at the king statues in GW and they kinda look like forest's mask
Lamed: You know, the child could've made it themselves with light.
Everyone turns to Lamed
Lamed: But it doesn't matter. They seem to like it a lot
Cue the Prince doing childish poses and running around in circles while Daleth just stares, not sure what to make of it
Tsadi: Uhh... Can they even see through that thing?
Lamed: ...I think so...
Aw prince running around 
The Prince is a child, sooo...

Oh shoot, I forgot the other part with the Valley twins
sjdyddjdi i love him too much
There was a part after the conversation with Teth
Samekh 1: Heh, this is why we dont wear masks
Samekh twins fist bump each other
Hi! I don't talk that much here but I noticed that when you're at shipwreck, the temple(?) in wasteland has different looking statue/tower. It kind of reminds me of that king symbol/crown (a dot surrounded by a ring with lines, I'm not sure if it was king's symbol)
Yep it's the kings statue
so the king really is everywhere
yes
Kings statue?
"you aren't immune to propaganda"
Wait is this lore chat or am I confused rn?
I thought it was fanart chat lol because of the drawing
Oh, lol
That art is good tho 
idk how to draw cute figure too
My profile pic is my drawing
Very cool
Though, I usually have a hard time doing comics
my pfps are always made by me :]
Very nice art style 
I never really satisfied with this ...
Why did sky kingdom love to make split mountain in half!!
Maybe to create a path?
The thing is
Man the moths head are real hard with the loudest bonk
Not sure if our character can go around
Windwalls are not nice
The wind still must've been hard
I went over it once
plus there is no way a spirit can go through that hole
Mountains are too big to climb
I mean why they didn't just go around when they build their civilization..
Walls were made to be torn down
Hey I'm kinda new to lore but I've been lurking the chat. Is there any areas in game I can see the skyscrit?
Vault Archive cubes
And on the gold spinny things in prairie
Well other bells too not just prairie
Have you read lore moff doc green?
I have not
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Yay
Thank you. I'll read that first
You will awaken bricky

I mean bricky can just appear out of nowhere so.. doesn't really matter
The view from the sliding race
It seem like it was surrounded by huge building
There's statues with horns there
But what building is my question
Hmmm... For the higher class?
Maybe for adminstration purposes.. you know high ranking people will live there to do their job
Yeah but I'm talking the building after that booth seat
You know those extra fancy rooms in stadiums for rich people to watch from?
Boxes
I think those are boxes
It’s spirit memory cheering I suppose
Hey I’m pretty new to sky in general, joined on the very last day of enchantment. I’ve been wondering for a while and no one has ever given me an answer, does anyone have any pictures of the king? Anyone have any detailed descriptions? Anything?
we have some concept art of the king 👀 also there's a bunch of king statues in the game!
You could find concept art of the King and the original plans for the story of the game in the pins!
here's one of the concept arts with the king in it (he's on the far right) 👑
it's from this imgur album (from the pinned messages 👀): https://imgur.com/a/TxQvMHr
there's some more pictures of the king in that album too
Wait, that hole in the King's head looks like we could fit in it
So the king statues are the ones with smaller head?
Yeah as far as we know, but the bigger spikes might also be variations on it still representing the king
Could this be evidence that the King was just the Prince in a mech? 
Since the Prince is skid sized
:0
If we could fit inside the King's head, so could the Prince
The hole doesn’t look like it’s big enough there (not that it matters since I would think the statues aren’t to scale anyway)
True
What you guys talking about?
Sky, but make it mecha
It still looks like we could fit through that hole tho
Can't look for a better place, and I already asked in #completed-sky-fanart-and-creations. Does anyone know if anyone made a King fanart? Or atleast a good shot of the best King statue in game?
so I took pics of each of the elder totems and it looks like prairie and wasteland elders have a very very very similar design
Maybe it's because those two have the biggest bodies?
Hey I’m pretty new to sky in general, joined on the very last day of enchantment. I’ve been wondering for a while and no one has ever given me an answer, does anyone have any pictures of the king? Anyone have any detailed descriptions? Anything?
@echo trellis
i think they’re supposed to be us
although i remember in my moff days, i thought they were our mom/the person talking to us in the intro
I see... I guess that makes sense in Eden where they hold out light like we hold our candles
Related to those, it’s 99.9999% just a coincidence, but every time I fly into GW’s battleground from the shipwreck I notice that the building facing the temple looks like those statues

lol idk where I was going with that
I’m not really sure what it would imply even if it wasn’t a coincidence
Maybe just that there’s a link between skids/the statues and the king
I noticed this in Sunny Forest. Kinda reminds me of the red crystals in Eden, but this one charges you
I mean, super fast recharge
do you think there’s some sort of link between them?
i mean hello first, sorry for i just jumped out of nowhere
Maybe... Though, this one I different from those crystals. It’s probably a random mesh thats not meant to be there, idk
It's from belonging season... That's what i know about it
The underground cavern area was added during Belonging, but I have no idea what that little piece of glowing thing is. It could just be a bug or something that was never removed
The poop👀
There is a seasonal spirit that was in the cavern during that season, but that glowing rock/whatever didn't play any part in that so IDK what it's meant to be for (if it even has a purpose)
Yeah, it’s probably a random mesh thats not meant to be there
I've seen people discuss it before, but as far as I know it's just kind of a mystery lol
It could be the poop
i guess it’s just been added for recharging
btw, i’ve just noticed that this cape shape on eden’s barrier has also been fossilized on the home’s stone, i wonder what does that really mean
Megabird
Could be megabird, yes 
The eden portal also says winglights are part of megabird
yeah,who knows
What if thats a real constellation
a constellation irl ? very unlikely
/guys i was thing when you turn on all the bell in prarie or light all the bell house in forest the floor picture of a creature lights up
/and those creatures appear?
/is the eden door going with the same theme? eden door is also a bell
In eden there's only one door that works as bell
The last portal... Orbit portal
Someone pointed out if bells are meant to be summoning creatures (like in prairie it summons mantas,in Forest it summons jellys) then the orbit bell is for the new birth of sky kids
Also sanctuary shows how bell calling mantas
Different types of mantas
/yea
/and then when we die that home plate is where we spawn
/there are only 2 doors in home that has a bell tho
/isle and eden
Yeah
Eden door has a bell ... But isle Portal's bell.. ? Where that's
Or isle door is itself a bell?
/hey, maybe Daleth isnt on the eden door simply because he has his own bell, and the other elders uses the eden bell
/oh not exactly visible, but isle bells dings every hour, and eden bells dings every 15 minutes
/i think it's prbably the other way around
They dings at same time i guess
/ah jusst asked, isle dings every hour, eden dings every 15 minutes
/Crackpot theory, Daleth wasnt casted away he just wanted his own bell
Seems like gw created 3 diamonds at a time [top forest, bottom gw]
Also i found a door in forest temple, dunno where it leads.. the other side doesnt have a door
behind that is where you would get the think emote in beta, before it became seasonal
:3c
Ah
I went to forest temple to find anything that looks like what amio found. Sadly none is there
They're so suspicious ngl. I mean. Look at their location
I searched the other pillars but found none
what r u looking for ginko ?
Those are bug... Ginko
Oh yeah those pillars, they’re the same ones that are in stormlock
Not sure if we already knew that, probably did
I assume that just means it’s the default pillar pattern then?
In the game and in the sky kingdom
They often used same pattern just to reduce game size
U really think its a bug amio?
Ye

Sky is highly optimized game.. so I'm not surprised if that is actually the case
technicality-wise that may be true
i like to think that valley-gw-eden share architecture though since they were more involved with king propaganda
Mecha
i think the king has negative braincells so no
Lol why
how do you manage to kill literally everything in your kingdom
yes but how do you be so dumb as to lead to that
it sounds like something very avoidable
He didn't knew what could happen?
it's his gigantic ego 😔
I mean.. if we look irl..
All nuclear reactor failure was caused by a design flaw
Or natural disasters
They may not think that it will happen

But it happened
not necessarily
iirc chernobyl was caused because people knew it was going to happen but did nothing to stop it, and went ahead with regular procedures despite the possible consequences
Why do they call it the Golden Wasteland? It looks green. Not gold.
but I like to think megabird sneeze to hard
Maybe it was called the Golden City and some horrible disaster struck it. Then people started calling it Golden Wasteland.
Wasteland is green cuz industrial work... That polluted air
Water
No Chernobyl was caused by a design flaw.. they were doing a training of some sort for the workers ... I think a nuclear meltdown training iirc..
They didn't think that would happen because of the design flow
But
they had the alarms turned off for safety testing however they were aware something was up and did nothing to prevent it
Well yes, but they also did it at a bad time in terms of energy used/activity
That and the wrong shift
It was unpreventable.. the reactor has already began to melt down..
It reached to a certain point that the water cooling was turn into vapor and enable the nuclear thingy (idk what it was called.. maybe proton?)
This was caused by the design flaw
Still can't accept the fact that sky kingdom know how to split a mountain tho
I'll call it magic
until I get the answers
Maybe it was already like that
There’s split mountains in three locations in the game
Come on .. this look very unnatural
And the prairie entrance + the sanctuary mountain look natural more than cut by the spirits
It like hot knife through butter
Potentially it was already roughly in half and they just straightened it out a bit to make it look cleaner?
Hmm
lol yeah it’s not very convincing
Here too.. they dug out a mountain
Where is that? The beginning of the last section of the race?
Krill-Chan wormed through it
I don't remember which part this is
Oh nvm I know where it is now
Yeah
I guess they could just have a huge amount of hard labour
That’s how tunnels used to be made for trains in the colonies in Australia
They’d get the convicts to use pick axes to dig them out by hand
Anyways what’s everyone’s take on GW? Was it a golden city that was taken over by darkness, or did the ancestors ventured then build the kingdom as a show of domination over the darkness?
(And what of the ship with emergency boats)
I think it was a Golden City that was eventually taken over by darkness.
The Sky People tried to fight off the darkness but were facing defeat. So they constructed the Ark as a contingency plan.
i imagine it was the Golden Desert, titled cause back then the sun made the sand look like gold
the royal ark is an old, no longer canon concept
Now I wanna know the whole entire lore at the moment
With all the pipes leaking sludge, is it more industrial based or like were they pumping up darkness for some reason?
(The fact there are so many pipes everywhere rather unsettled me)
I mean. The google definition of wasteland is:
- an unused area of land that has become barren or overgrown.
- a bleak and unused or neglected urban or industrial area.
/DZ you new?
New to the community but not really new to the game in my opinion
incoming lore moff!
/in forr lore chat eh?
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All sludge we see in GW is probably industrial pollution.
must read
Hmm true
I did take a look at the original concepts for gw
So i think gw was always a wasteland, they industralized it and built factories/lived in it. But of course with the destruction its back to being a wasteland but with pollution
Hmm. The only places we see krill are in GW and Eden. Both areas are heavily industrialized. Maybe the krill were either created as a result of said industrialization or as a result of the pollution?
/so you mean it was just a desert and then we polluted the desert?
/krills could be a creature, although im all in the krills being mechanic
Yeah me too.
what is megabird???
/Hello tika you new?
quite new :"
when I read megabird before looking at the picture I just imagined a huge bird or just a flock of birds together to make a huge one
megabird is a bird?
/DZ bird is just a name
/when you watch the credits, you will see that megan is made of a bunch of stars
owo
Megabird is supposedly the god of Sky. Either that or it’s a representation of the cycle of rebirth and the physical galaxy that Sky takes place in.
More like made of all light creatures
By the way new lore moths, Megan is the nickname for Megabird.
oh so megabird is the one who created sky kids?
It’s definitely possible Tika if you believe that Megabird is the god of Sky.
thats awesome
/some theories that are really crackpot said that Megan is made by skids
What are skids-
/and skids are made by gatorade
Oh sky kids-
Sky kids.
Sky kids - skids
Gatorade???
I’m a idiot
/so megan is made by gatorade
/ so that concludes my ted talk
It’s my head canon that Sky kids are just normal human kids that drank a lot of Red Bull. Red Bull gives you wings after all.
Jen they're still new dont confuse them
/sorry
I will continue being a idiot for as long I don’t know 1 + 1
If ur interested in reading lore confirmed by tgc then in the pinned messages you'll find a canon doc

oh
boop, it's sin-1(5) 😔
I’ve calculated that it approximately takes 3 years for a newborn infant to become 3 years old.
smart

Anyways, we try to keep this a lore only channel
we dont want it to be #general-sky-discussion
Anyone know the lore behind the red crystals and the red goop we see in Eden?
I kinda wanna know what the elders were like as sky kids
All theories are welcome and don't be scared on sharing them
They must have been at some point right?
i believe the red crystals are from the big diamond
no the elders were always elders according to the canon lore doc
Oh
To whom suggested krill was mechanical
Disney Atlantis movie where Milo realizes (staring at giant lobster creature eye) “It’s a machine!”
I kinda wanna know what the elders were like as sky kids
Elders and sky kids are two different species
Ah okay
I think that Elders are the gods of their specific areas and the Sky kids are their angels. Maybe.
Elders are 'fallen stars' (as we see from the intro)
/what would that make the ancestors be?
Skids were created. What are we and who made us is up to you to theorize
ancestors are like
Elders are ancestors
Are the ancestors grown up Sky kids?
normal beings
We evolved to fly
So wait-
the relations between ancestors and skids are unknown, but they both have a blue spirit
Ancestors are humans?
Elders are apart of the ancestors
No
Just the eldest
They're different entities
They’re not a separate being
We all did
/if you ever go to isle
Go check out the canon doc. You'll see that they're unrelated
The ancestors are stars as well
No
/you can see that the ancestors exist on land when the saw the ancestor fell
Ancestors have always been on land
It could be that the ancestors are the natives of the Sky world.
Thus being apart of the consolations
The elders fell there in their world
/ah, rose, the ancestors being apart of the constelation is a different thing
/they are not stars
Is bricky here?
nop
I read canon lore stuff and I still don’t understand
bricky is off, how can I be of service?
/it's okay DZ, most of us make crackpot theories anyways
i think that orbit is like the equivalent of heaven for sky, so while the ancestors did not physically descend from there like the elders did, when they die they go to orbit
in the context of the intro scene, the elders are the stars
yo blue!!
If Orbit is Heaven then is there a hell?
/eden is hell
For the bad Sky people to go to.
/oh oh, maybe Home space is hell
maybe heaven is not the right word to describe orbit
The krill’s stomach is the hell
but i don't know what's the word for it
hell is obviously the pit of death in first area of eden
There’s not always a hell
I wonder if Orbit is a physical place that exists in the Sky world or if its some kind of afterlife.
A heaven can exist with out an under world
AFTERLIFE YES THANK YOU
If a Sky kid just kept flying up would they reach Orbit eventually?
My ideas suck-
Sky concepts are based in a cicle of life-death-return to megabird-rebirthr
Probably not vayne
Cya Gen
If a Sky kid just kept flying up would they reach Orbit eventually?
In game no, I tried. There is a limit. Tho you can fly pretty high
bye jen
I just thought if orbit was just outer space where all the sky kids vibe
It was just a small idea that is prob not true
it's also the home to the elders
i mean there is a bunch of dead skids in orbit so you're not wrong
but well, considering skids come from there, nothing is stoping them from chilling around
i forgot what we were going on about
I just got here, so I have no idea
Lol
I’m new to the lore still so I just have random ideas
have you read brick's lore moff doc?
all ideas are welcomed here
you are free to share no matter how stupid or silly they might sound to you
we are here to discuss since sky lore is not realy set in stone
most of the things you will see here are theories
yepp
don't be afraid to share what you think, we can't prove you wrong nor can we prove you right
So oreo can be god
Yes
Oh blue, can u dm me ur references for the whurtle?

Hey quick question, which entities in Sky are genderless?
All
I see thanks
||Why can mantas jelly and whale go to orbit but not skykids||
No need for spoilers here taki. Also skykids do go to orbit
This is orbit
@tender dune
Boi
Not krill anatomy goober
Oh.
Whartle
I have no idea about the whurtle
Or whurtle
?
Turtle with no shell 
Oops
I'll just wait for blue to reply (i meant i wanted the pics she used to draw it)
She might have better pics than the ones i took
That one i sent was by blue... But i can't post that
I know i meant screenshots 
One of the greatest tragedies in Sky is that I can’t do any archaeology excavations. I say this because just let me see the full whurtle skeleton, TGC
i chibi fell to see the full skull of whurtle but sadly nothing was there

I think you can post blue's artwork as long as you credit her but u can't post unknown artwork??
if any mods reading this please enlighten me
u can i think message link her artwork post tho (that's what i usually do)
Posting others work even with credit isnt allowed in this server unfortunately 
Sorry should reword uestion
Skykid can’t just fly up to orbit like the animals? Or those animals also are died
Ah ok
That's the lifecycle
The animals also go through Eden
To rebirth
Actually they reborn in natural way
not like us who dies
is orbit the remains of where the king lived?
Amio, is that a theory or do you have proof?
And it could be ofc
Take as THEORY
The floated part of castle in space is not same as floated part seen on Eden mountain from distance is it?
Oki thank you for clarification 🥰
it makes sense cause it looks like aa broken castle
It bothers me to see what appears as steps around the space portion but no means to stop flying and go walk on it
Ah if u mean that kings castle reached orbit and he lived there then no xD
His castle was destroyed and the upper portion kinda hangs between eden and pre-orbit
Well me and my friend managed to land on that floating castle once
ohh
Nothing is there tho
Is the top of Eden crumbling so because it’s trying to rise or it’s stormy to stop trespassers
I always bonk away

Should I post some pics?
sure
Pls
Is the top of Eden crumbling so because it’s trying to rise or it’s stormy to stop trespassers
Can u explain more? (Sry i didn't understand)
When your glowing bright and enter the gates and go through the tunnel up the destroyed remains of the castle
That’s so hecking PRETTY oml I love Orbit sm
That's the destroyed parts of the castle. From what we know, big diamond go kaboom = eden castle destroyed + storm + total annihilation
Ooooh just like Laputa!!!!
lowkey theory i think sky is just a very big laputa
oo yes it does resemble valley-gw buildings 
The vault archives feel very much like Laputas compute core
I think smiley and lamb would be overjoyed with that
(computer core)
It’s kinda funny how in Laputa people went to the skies but had to return to the earth, meanwhile here we came from the stars down to the earth but eventually return back up there
Gardener droid 
In the intro it shows that we also fell but not if we fell from the skies or from eden
We are all sheeta
(Well we didn’t fall from a airship)
I don't seem to clean anything 
We pick up the crabs and undesired flowers
And as stewards we shoo the ancestors back to where they belong
Did gw have disaster after diamond go boom like the opening scene in Atlantis: the lost empire
Which also left behind their giant lobster/Krill things
Theory goes that there was a civil war in gw
Since we see sunshield + diamond shield and a lot of weapons
i always wonder if there's eden elder 
Taki what i think is flying debris from eden storm fell in wasteland and destroyed most of buildings there
Only war and industrial work can't make such destruction
"Eden elder isnt around to be saved anymore" from what i remember
So either king was eden elder or there was an eden elder but was thanos snapped from the boom
isn't around but still somewhere?
we dont know
Its up to us to theorize such things based on our own opinions (thats why most of the stuff is not 100% confirmed bt tgc)
Hello, I’m new to the game and I was wondering who are we technically in the game. The Question has been bugging me
Canon doc
Some says the eden elder and the king is the Same person.... And they also says skykids are the king
Many many theories
darn...so many kings
Canon wise,we dont know @minor stratus
35+ millions king
But some theorize we're reincarnation of the king (or prince). Some say megabird created us. So many theories
Skykids are the king?
You mean like he fragmented himself and then reincarnated those fragments as children of light?
I wonder what happened... My headcanon is that they're dead. As in, dead dead, gone from existing
Hahah right
The King, I mean
We do however make claysounds
so we we're def created (by whom = ???)
Elders are made of stone too
King was Krilled
skykid factory 
Nah, Elders are made of stone too. This is hinted with Isle Elder, and Vault Elder a bit
Some also says @pastel brook behaves like king
Lol Oreo was funny when it first popped out
The Isle Elder's face gets restored, kinda looks like rocks
Brb let me drop lore moff
Omg I was freaking out in excitement when I saw Oreo I had no idea what was gonna happen
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The Vault Elder has a chip in her face, making it look like she's made of stone too
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I think sky kids and Elders were made of stone
sweats in W.D. Gaster
/crackpot fandom crosssing theory: King is Gaster and Wasteland is post-ut Core
Thus the words "Sky kids are not the same or different species as the Elders"
Not the same or different??
Why am I logged out of discord when I use the moff link
@hushed steeple because its a google doc not a discord link
Yeah, not the same or different
Which is kinda suspicious itself...
We're most likely related to the King
The Vault Cutscene confirms this
Where are you getting that sentence/phrasing ?
Canon lore doc
I finally remembered my question from ages ago
What is the meaning of specific temples depicted in the isle of dawn temple? I thought they were in order before realizing the shapes did not correspond
Def isle temple left out
Actually maybe that’s all and it still is in order and I just mixed up which was first
Taki those are the temples we see (praire/forest/gw/valley/vault/etc.)
I don’t think it means « they are not the same, nor are they different » it’s just repeating the same concept
Skykids and Elders aren’t the same, or [a clarification], they are different species
I know the devs are elusive but i don’t think they’d give us a nonsense sentence 
xD
Yea I mixed up the temples and thought prairie was isle and hidden was prairie and so on oof
even though skids aren't like the same species as elders i still think skids are the eden elder/king
though not biologically the same, it's just that skids carry the king's soul i guess 
That's a long theory
Make it shorter
Oh smiley, taki said something u might enjoy
i come forward with...
look at the little lad, the prince, he looks exactly like us. It’s...a starting point for what Smiley acknowledged is a rather complex theory
The vault archives feel very much like Laputas compute core
^taki
Considering all, we could just be made to resemble
Ooo
i could try condensing what i think but it is still gonna be a bit long
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I wish you luck, res :p
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What is laputas
I have a long theory about how we're connected to the King as well-
Laputa - ghibli movie (anime)
Oooh...
I will be forever calling the forest elder forrest mama
She just vibes
Its so sad that her oob was patched
Forest mom is cool
I once had a thought about the Valley Twins pranking the poor guy by switching his shoes, and he never bothered to change them since-
the elders we see who wear shoes all wear heels, makes me think all the elders wear heels even under their robes
Lol, grampa Isle wearing HEELS
So officially we have
Forest mama
Prairie Dad
Fw Uncle
Valley Brothas
Grampa isle
/yes please
Wait, would that mean the Prince/King wore heels too??
yes
Can't be a King if you don't have FASHION
what do you mean « Officially » ?
/so what you're saying is
i got the condensed version down 
/Kings has heels, has a pet, he is tall
/Conclusion: King does style
(you may want to rewatch the intro cutscene in the pins to understand this)
so basically what i think is going on is that skids = king = eden elder we don't see and can't save rn = the child of light you see in the intro scene
wl were at one point called 'imprints of the child of light'
7 trails from the sky fall down in the intro, and there's a middle trail that falls down to the star above the eden castle in the intro (though it starts from the middle of the clouds), so i think this is the child of light coming down to the world of sky as the king but in a different form
king's physical body is destroyed by the explosion of the eden diamond, his soul (the golden shiny boy you see at the end)/ the child of light form of him is in the diamond
the child of light's imprints are scattered throughout the realms due to the storm, or they are like memories of the king in his time when he was alive
skids may have been modeled after the child of light, and carry its imprints in them, kinda like reliving the king's memories and paths he took in sky
this is a theory and not a confirmation of what actually happened 
and even with this theories, there are variations
i believe something different than res, others might too lol
yep, not everyone has to agree on what they think happened since
that's not the point of this channel
like, i think that we’re the prince/king (same person) incarnate, trapped in a time loop as penance for our sins
Meanwhile i have too many theories to stick to one
and they keep increasing
Yeah, I'm starting to have many variations/paths for my theory with the CoL and stuff
So it's hard for me to stick to one too
I mean i also had a theory where isle elder is evil but i forgot it
hey, also, I was going through my logs of king propaganda and realized that his mask is commonly depicted with 3 points however, there is also an multiple instances of a 7 pointed symbol, and even a 5 pointed one in prairie although to my knowledge it’s only found there
What do you guys think caused this discrepancy ?
/odđ numbers only?
i noticed that too tbh. Also something else i noticed was the eden pointer is
while the skid honk pointer is a bit different
Did numbers mean anything significant in sky?
Do u have pics of the 5 symbol one brikson?
this is a messy wip, but it shows what i’m talking about
Oh better, thanks
/4 is actually an un lucky number
Dunno if its because the civilization is advancing which made their art develop or it has a deeper meaning. My brain is empty atm
First and last drawings remind me of the prince mask
My counting is a bit diff ngl
I gtg so ill post it when im back home
There’s also a longer pointed one on top of the wasteland temple
Excuse the bad photo, I didn’t have time to go get another one
I shall do so now
Yes, they’re 3 pointed as well
im wondering if 3 is the sign of the king, and the other numbers are the prince
Its always the bottom point being missing
I think thats mainly due to the star head being on top of a statue
True
well, that’s a possibility, until we look at the king in the vault mural, which is truly the weirdest king of all
he has a proper 3 pronged crown
so i think the 3 points is intentional
The crown in the cutscene?
yes
let’s use this for reference
Indeed it is
And it’s meant to represent the eden elder, which is likely the king
so i think the 3 points means king
5–8 means prince
How do we know 5-8 mean prince
The mural still has the four pointed star, but since the star is in a castle, the bottom point well, isn't quite drawn out
i wonder if we're supposed to make something of the fact that the king's humanoid silhouette in the mural is almost completely enclosed by the mountainous shape in the background
All stars that seems to depict the King always have the bottom point missing, because that star is always on something
like the real body/true form is encased in something bigger, per the mech theories 
it feels too consistent to be a coincidence, or simply because there’s something underneath
So how do we know 5-8 means prince?
that’s just my assumption, considering i don’t see how it could connect to the king
if 3 means king, what’s left ? 5-8 meaning prince
what about the corrupted king? i thought that head shape had more random spikes sticking out of it
Don't concept art king has more than 4 points?
we can see the three points is actually a rather old concept
the two kings who have arrows pointing at them have a crown like the one seen in the vault mural
which says to me that, maybe the devs went back on the king’s design ?
Tried seaching up the symbolism of three
Not sure if this adds anything tho
I'll keep searching
thé « birth life death » thing might be worth looking into
/that's a very western look tho
and 3 being the number of the divine
I actually thought king always has 8 point
in game, it doesn’t seem he does
so, three is cyclical
/okay i found the the chinese consider 3 as a number of stability
Its also a significant number in Christianity, the Holy Trinity
number 3 intensifies
/oh, well, they actually talk about birth-life-death as well, huh, gues i was wrong

Wow, the Holy Trinity part kinda sounds similar to my theory about the King
But uhhh, I'm not sure about it
can we agree that 3 can represent something cyclical ?
/ wait a sec bricky cyclical is a big word lemme search it up
Which one made you say that.. the one that say completed cycle unto itself?
I’m still not sure that I’m in agreeance that it’s meant to be the number three as opposed to four points
in the vault mural, the king has a 3 pointed crown, why wouldn’t it meant to be 3
Cause I don't think past present future is a cycle
Well the king also seems to have a lot of diamond symbolism associated with him, so I’m not sure why the 3 would play in there when there’s also a lot of 4s
Potentially it could be both though, and the 3s and 4s represent different things
I'm surprised king statue has a neck...
It's probably made to look accurate to the King itself
Ok .. I have a weird thought..
So we know ancestors will eat crab as a dark creature..
If ancestors team up..
Will they eat krill too?
I mean krill is just prawn but longer
Honestly with how ancestors manipulate the surrounding to their advantage.. I wouldn't be surprised if they do
Now krill need to be afraid now..
The table has turned

Oh no did I do something??
Uhhhh
I mean no krill doesn't need to be afraid

Legit scared me
Skybean
Ok .. I have a weird thought..
So we know ancestors will eat crab as a dark creature..
If ancestors team up..
Will they eat krill too?
i mean, if ancestors are anything like humans then probably yeah. like we did with mammoths
dropping this quickly excuse my very shaky hands im not supposed to be here . We tend to forget this red part
true
but that’s not present on any of the others iirc
eh, we see multiple different representations in single realms in random order

i don’t think it could be him goin from prince to king or something
Yeh
although
they could have been built at different periods of time
Probs, we see the realms advance the further we go
we see what could be referencing the prince in some things
and in others it’s the king
(Like how irl we'd see better statues over time ?)
yea
like in ye olden days it might’ve just been a bust
but now you have big fabulous bronze statues
Yeah
we mostly see the 7 points associated with power diamond doors...
- glances at old timeline *
maybe that references the prince helping find darkstone and get the kingdom to develop technology ?
well
with the beam underneath, that makes 8
and i’m classifying the prince as between 5-8 points
Doesnt number 8 mean infinite?
/why king has less points tho?
no clue, Jen
/would you want more points to assert more dominance
all I know is that the king might be represented by 3 points considering his crown in the constellation and vault mural
Anyone familiar with these symbols? I managed to find similarities between sky symbols & sanscrit letters
Ooo
Maybe they did take inspo from Sanskrit since they also took inspo from other religions
Oooohhhh...
Like the 63 children you gotta save (unsure what religion thats from)
Ya but i don't know if the letters are actually the same or jusr inspired by
I'll look up their meaning
First one doesnt even look similar to the letter?
I have my own beliefs about the butterflies. The butterflies you see and scattered are the souls who don't depart and live on as butterflies.
Same concept in general 3 lines last one has that pionty head in green
/names of elders are also sankrits i believe
Wait, so you mean... People were... using souls of the dead... as some energy source?!?!

@lapis ibex
The Elders were referred to with Hebrew letters in the concept art.
Yeah
For example this symbol if i compare to sanscrit it would mean nya
Mean anything?
But i'm not sure about the translation i don't know those letters well
Wait, so you mean... People were... using souls of the dead... as some energy source?!?!
@thin dirge the only reason why they are 'annoying' is they want to say Hello to you
They can't communicate like us
There was the popular belief that the Ancestors used butterflies as an energy source before using diamonds. That's what I was talking about
/i dont think so?
Ok
Are Dimonds energy somehow related to light?
Cause I thought in sky they get everything from light even to power themselves & wings
power diamonds may be a combination of light and darkness
example of their uses: it helps islands/platforms to fly (e.g. in valley/vault), it helps boats to fly (like the boat that takes you to ark)
Just because its used in wastland doesn't mean it's also made of darkness?
power diamonds are used throughout all realms
I think before the Sky Kids, Sky People, etc inhabited the clouds. The clouds used to inhabits the Angels before they died off
Are Dimonds energy somehow related to light?
@dense umbra Yes, power diamonds seem to be refined darkstones that acts like batteries.
Skykids only came around after Ancestors and Elders, ShadowWolf
No.
Well, there's one in an eden oob.
They do, they’re the plants in-game
kinda
But oobs aren't lore related.
I don't think they count
Darkstones are basically darkness plant prototypes 
The plants in-game, according to Ktjn, can be called darkstone, dark plants, dark material, etc., at the end of the day, their use is the same
So i suppose they somehow refined something to make power diamonds
Skykids only came around after Ancestors and Elders, ShadowWolf
@lethal stump Ohhh ok
the order of people in sky is: Ancestors first, then the Elders fell, they all died/went away, and then Skykids were sent
They could have figured out how to harvest dark plants for their benefit
Part of me is thinking that the darkness we see in game is whatever the dark material in the forest door is
But their light would just burn the plants?
Overload? Maybe?
assuming they’re fusing creatures of light with darkness, then no, it wouldn’t burn the plants
Wait diamonds could actually be in fact made of darkness since when we light them up with our candles light they function so they are sensitive to light like dark plants
they’re made of two parts darkness and two parts light
the forest temple door shows this
How does it show?
we see two blue things (darkness) and two yellow things (light) come together and turn into a power diamond
^ that
Ok don't really remember well
But you're saying there are blue diamonds & yellow diamonds?
On the door, yes.
yes, and those diamonds represent darkness and light
Gotta check it ou again
But in some places the diamond is just blue & turns to yellow if we light it to open the door, kinda like dark plants first they're blue & when we light/burn them they're yellow
Yo i dont understand all of this power diamond and darkstone stuff, are PD's just like batteries for factories?????
they’re a power source
basically like batteries, but they’re also magic
they make boats fly
and doors open
destroy civilizations
go boom
kill children
To further clarify, PDs are what's manufactured in the factories
The Unlimited Potential Of Power Diamonds
A book by Resh.
The very limited potential of power diamonds
A hurried afterward by Resh (as the eden diamond explodes)
What was the original goal of those statue children going to eden in the first place?
Most of us believe those were previous skykids that didnt make it
i've always wondered if they were trying to save someone (the king?) or otherwise deactivate the crystal
Our goal was to "return the fallen stars" 
Also why don't they crumble away? The ones before did iirc, or at least one of them did
yeah, but when we play now, we're effectively giving light to the fallen sky children there -- so what were they doing at the beginning to wind up there?
Especially as they're literally in the storm itself – shouldn't that have crushed them?
the ones at the very beginning, when there would've presumably been no sky kids to save?
(Also why do they return every week but that seems to be more of a gameplay mechanic)
Yeah, that does seem weird
Well, there's the time loop/lock theory 
Time loop/lock?
Time Loop Theory
#lore-discussion-spoilers message
Since our clear goal in-game is return the fallen stars help the pirits... Maybe the kids were there guiding the spirits through eden?
Interesting
Back in beta you would lose emotes in Eden.
^
We do see the spirits after eden going to the light when we make it
Yeah
the losing emotes thing strikes me as really counterintuitive to the game's design though, when TGC wanted the game to encourage players to interact with each other
i wonder what it would've meant lorewise though
/well, you use to get an upgrade to each emote you have left
It would've meant we were actually saving the spirits 
the losing emotes thing strikes me as really counterintuitive to the game's design though, when TGC wanted the game to encourage players to interact with each other
Agreed
It would've meant we were actually saving the spirits
as in, the emotes are essence/memories of the spirits, rather than something we were simply taught?
/emotes cant be upgrade unless you put them in as a winged light
Ooh isn't weird thay sky kids need to first see a spirit & mimic its mouvement as if they don't even know how to move/interct by them selves & are just lost & don't know who they are
/but then once taught they can squat with no problem
It's like leaving a baby isolated he wouldn't know normal gestures
it's not that weird spring: sky kids knew how to scratch themselves, but "language" and "communication" is something that kinda has to be learnt/figured out
/ guess itchy is really uncomfortable
gestures only make sense when there's at least one person sending the message and one person receiving/understanding it, so it kinda makes sense that the sky kid would need to learn how to convey an idea from someone else
something like pointing probably makes intuitive sense, but in the absence of a civilisation, how would you know that nodding means "yes" and shaking your head is "no"?
Yes but I'm just trying to figure out why, that means they never saw their parents, anscastors before in person before they left them or died
/^ true, someone indiginous people dont have the nod= yes and shake= no, they have different gestures
oh right, from that angle -- i've always assumed sky kids didn't have parents
same, many people think we were just...made and sent down
There is gotta be more to it than that
i can't really see them growing up because i don't think they have anything to grow up to be, either -- they seem like they're already doing all that they're meant to do in the game
oh sounds pretty cool


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