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They probably react to our light somehow. I wonder if they affect the krill in any way, or vice versa? 
Who summoned me
Lately*
š
Scroll up i took closer pics
I dunno, they look like diamond shards/ some reflective element
But their place is very weird
And they all have golden outlines
i wanna know what it is too. Same with the thing i found
Interesting 
Ginko there's something else hanging in that broken temple place
I never tried to get closer to that
What i saw from far a diamond floating in mid air with some weird patterns
I want to check the pattern nowš
Got caught by a friend to uber so can't check it rn

also the game didn't count my cr

I'm going to investigate by my own
Good luck
Oh ami go check out the thing i found. Its in battlefield next to the wl on the building
what's the lore connected to the rythm ultimate spirit person?
there...isnāt, really
There rlly isnāt
are you referring to the questgiver ?
rhythm wasnāt really a lore season
i'm seeing some fanart of that spirit and valley elders
yeah thatās just fandom stuff
The spirit is connected to the rhythm season and the rhythm season is based on the very first winter season and back when it was first released, lore wasnāt in mind when they made it, it was more for cosmetics
The only lore there was is that they were all jus a group of performers
The welcome spirit, the dancer, the one who blows a kiss to the audience, etc
Oooooh the quest giver
Yeah that dude was rlly fan girled and I still remember everyone saying
āOMG RHYTHM SENPAI, SO CUTEā
āMARRY ME NOWā
āMUST PROTECT, SO INNOCENTā
i am happy i'm an android moff thank god.
they still do

not sure if i should trust someone called professional liar LMAO
Jay lies everywhere except in the lore channel.
ahh
In here, the only lies are the king's

Hmmm
So how do you rate each Season with the most lore from least to highest? I donāt know much about the other Seasons, sooo...
Back then, seasons were more towards cosmetics
But with many requests
Tgc started putting more lore and story to it
Ooh, okay
Yeah that dude was rlly fan girled and I still remember everyone saying
āOMG RHYTHM SENPAI, SO CUTEā
āMARRY ME NOWā
āMUST PROTECT, SO INNOCENTā
/guys why is this the first thing i see after lunch
The lightseeker season had some story but it was expanded when the enchantment season came out
Also, the enchantment season was the first one to have a big story to it with lots of lore discussion potential and I still remember all the hype when it came out
After that, they have been putting more lore into the seasons
Maybe ur dreaming
I guess this is all gonna start speeding up from now on
/android moff so the first season i ve ever done was enchantment! It had so much story! The crabs murals! How the enchantment people came! What and why they're here!
and with the upcoming season, ohhhhhhh boy 

So the Seasons has lore due to requests, or was it something that just happened?
/* let's dig the lore chat grave
/amio? where that???
The very first season, it was more about cosmetics, the season of winter āļø
Then came season of gratitude, inspired by Asian cultures 
After that, lightseekers, it had some story but wasnāt rlly revealed until later, it focused more on a ādarker sideā they said 
Then came season of belonging which took more of a wholesome and happy season with family and getting together 
Winter came and they decided to have a remake of the winter season but rename it season of rhythm 
Later, season of enchantment, the first season with focused lore and the story of the ark 
And now we have season of sanctuary
Sry for late response butterfly
Jen it's the broken factory area
and sanctuary gives us manta lore 
Well i noticed that months ago... But never tried to reach that felt lazy
Anyway @tender dune i think those are texture bug.. that's what i can say after all. But interesting tho
Itās part of my theory
Iāve been adding a lot to it and that hidden diamond was one of my additions
/hello may
slowmode is gone like long ago
With the Seasons, we may start going deeper into lore from now on. Like a roller coaster, weāre gonna start speeding up
While reaching near the diamond krill attacked me from below of my table š
OOF
F
/*flashbakcs
same questions and slowmode war flashbacks
okay but ever since i saw concept art for the diamond press i havent stopped thinking about it since
and the eden king
that was TERRIFYING
lol
/okay but consider
/the in-game text says that
/" "Collect each emote in various kingdoms in Sky", is the King the eden King, did the other elders followed his rule?
/or were they separate kingdoms, and the king just
/ assert dominance
/so maybe the war in wasteland was the elders vs the king?
@gilded fossil imagien the king just does T pose and the elders are just liek what
in the concept art we see that the wasteland elder is half corrupted by darkness before skykids cleanse him with the light they give to the darkstone. He then sacrifices himself to buy the children time to run to the vault
/flos are you in for lore chat?
Yeh
/flos are you new?
/...for this room, yeah
/may i think the tomcepts are really old and might not still be in the game
so i believe it was a war between corrupted vs non corrupted spirits, since it will make no sense to have similar sized trenches or weapons otherwise
/LORE MOFF INCOMING
Hello new Lore Moff!
Read this short document to get started! Once youāve read this, check out pins for more information. 
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/yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you 
so i believe it was a war between corrupted vs non corrupted spirits, since it will make no sense to have similar sized trenches or weapons otherwise
/May what would the corrupted spirits be tho?
they will not have their natural blue light, it will be orange, like their eyes, and they will probably try to consume light like most dark creatures do
Anyway @tender dune i think those are texture bug.. that's what i can say after all. But interesting tho
@hushed steeple
orange symbolizes light, though
blue symbolizes darkness
not in the case of spirits š
a spirit with orange eyes would definately mean danger
but then why does a creature with a blue eye mean danger ?
let me find concept art for wasteland elder
Lol
/well technically it's only danger when the light turns red tho
Can i ask question
sƻre !
/hmm flos
@tender dune 
Why we talk with /
/ah
thatās just Jenās Thing
Ahh sorry for interupting ww
/Eden social space amio?
/hmmmmmmmm
And the texture matches
/ on a technical standpoint it's probably since they uses the same texture to reduce time and effort
Aaa sorry for the delay I had to do a lot of digging
Exactly
and ā outline in middle
/but please bring me yourr theories tho Gink and Amio
Check out this link to see what a half corrupted spirit would look like
/hello Beanie what is it
Look closely, these statues / towers resemble the king and king turrets.
yes, thats king propaganda
may just send one link and tell me to look at the thread, please
But then, notice how there is a draft entering to the next area right? But, the thing is. Itās unnatural
Oh sorry I just wanted to make it convenient 
/bricky may us have some king propaganda memes
Itās as if there was a spirit gate that has been broken, or a strong pull
- clears throat *
So, the theory is. The next area was the strong hold and there was a spirit gate and it broke
@lethal stump might send that to memes
Or
Thatās it-
is nobody going to talk about the sentry ships and turrets
/the door to enter battlefield has some white specks going into it, which looks a lot like the white specks in stadium
is nobody going to talk about the sentry ships and turrets
/bring back the turrets!!!!
Can the link to the tweets be pinned in this channel for easier access to the old concept art? There's so many tiny details it's mind-blowing
most of the concept art there is already in the pins here
Like the giant etching of the megabird in the first area's mountain, I couldn't find it in the pins
Just feeling it would be convenient that's all
Who threw this spear here,and why?
I think they chased people
maybe one of the guy who holds it
There is another spear but it looks like a pole
probs not
I think it might belong to the pair of statue guards we see at temple entrance
Mmm
(Like the real spirits not the actual statues)
K
These
tsadi be throwing spears for fun
Someone need to have a hobby too you know
Lol
lol
Where did u get the name moon door temple?
@sly kestrel That grating door in the ceiling reminds me the Moon Door in GameOfThrones, despite the obvious diferences (in GOT it was a trap door, not in the ceiling, and used for executions)
@hushed steeple I mean tcg doesn't really continue its texture drawings when u oob at them
like this i thought they'd continue the boat doodle but sadly nah
@tender dune those stones have same gold line on it
@hushed steeple the stone lines are found in a few fireplace areas btw(like the crab bbq place)
Crackpot theory: they're not stone but scales from whurtles or tuna king
And imma leave you to those thoughts while i yeet out for real
bbye
(@ me so i read them later)
Those spears remind me of concept art for eden
Where in one of the last stages the King throws spears at you?
It's probably from the elder from wasteland tho
I wouldn't consider myself new
/in for lore chat?
No
/ah okay
I already read the whole lore moff document don't worry
Where in one of the last stages the King throws spears at you?
Might sound insane but i wish that was in the game,,, kinda makes it more challenging yknow
But i doubt thats possible since my ipad would explode 
lots of people wish it was in game, problem arises with cpu strength 
If sky was a computer game maybe that eden concept could happen
it originally was gonna be for the mac
Be positive
The king throwing those stones towards us
you can tell they had plans that would be better fit for a laptop
Sky on pc
Im still surprised that sky still looks like it was supposed to be a pc game
I just love the detail put in this game
But maybe they didnt use the concept bc it might be way too harsh for moffs
I still wish Eden being practically completely greyscale was still a thing
/yea old beta has it
no, old beta was grey, black, and blue
Guys do you think light is food for the spirit?
although yes i wish we got black & white eden tbh
/yea consider we exchange candles for the spirit they probably really need them smiley
although yes i wish we got black & white eden tbh
/well with black and white eden we would super stand out
I mean we eat food for energy..
If light give them energy..
There no need for food right?
How is anyone supposed to eat if none of us have a mouth-
Do we just absorb the food
We absorb
Well if the ancestors don't have mouth to eat.. they probably use light as an energy source .
well if that's true why is there a crab kebab at wasteland.. is it for asserting dominance?
/ belonging dad just t-pose the krebs
Well,,,
Spirits are already dead so i doubt they need food
Elders seem like their made of stone or something, they kinda look like alive statues
Skids tho seem like they dont have any organs or something??? A krill could attack you and your body is still fine
So maybe food isnt a necessity
back when ancestors were alive i think they had to eat
They are, i guess
In the time period were at none of us need food but back then i think spirits did need food
and also in my headcanon when the elders fell they became semi-mortal so they had to eat and take care of their bodies like ancestors did
Skids no food
Elders no food
Spirits FOOOD
Do we see any spirit eat something?
We see the don't go Spirit cooking crabs tho
no one even has a mouth or nose i
however in belonging they have a dinner table with plates, and the grandma is calling the spirits to dinner
i think that confirms they eat
I don't think they even need to breath
I wasnt playing in belonging but there wasnt any food on their table right?
Confirmed.. they just absorb the food with magic
ABSORB
occamās razor tells me the table with plates where a family sits late at night is likely a dinner table
dinner meaning food
Hmm..
But look at the belonging cutscene
/they eat with their EYES
There wasnt even food on their table
but why do they need plates then ?
Decorations 
Maybe they eat light .. not food..
Decorations?
and also
in enchantment we see play fight foraging for mushrooms, and scare trying to grow things
this also makes me think they have to eat
#screenshots-and-videos amio ?
I wish the bell was an actual cosmetic
Yea, the spirit growing crops definately was growing em for eating
Or maybe a butterfly urn too
I posted cuz it's from belonging
But I'm not sure about mushrooms.
Maybe they were for making spells and potions
So they grow mushroom instead of.. you know normal crops?
Mushroom is a fungi
Wait is normal crops even exist lol
Why would they need to have a mushroom farm
Actually i think there was like a water thing in ark too
We don't see bread in the game
Who even eats mushrooms alone...
me
they were likely growing something else, but whatever it was we can see they werenāt successful which likely led to how they died in the first place
Wait hold on
How were they even supposed to grow mushrooms/crops if all the water in wasteland is toxic?
What I thought this was in forest
Wasteland has no clean water so how did they grow mushrooms? If they need to eat they also need water but all of it is toxic???
I think each spirit had their own abilities,
Nod was an artist
Sleepy was a builder
Scare was a farmer
Shrug could purify dirty water
Playfight used to make spells and potions
I don't know about crab dance, I think he was the helper?
They all were collectively a group of merchants
He might be a farmer too
Sky was in industrial age.. because there is factory and stuff
Maybe growing something was not efficient
Wait crab dance might be a researcher
So they moved to something else
Since he studied crabs to learn that crab dance
I think crab spirit was that one person in the group who isn't aware of what's happening and just roams and helps other
and messes others' workš
bchkjgzjfzfzjfho
crab biologist
Do you guys think king is actually strong or he just big for nothing
Sorry for out of topic but genuinely curious
He is stronger
I think he wasn't a zoologist, he was sent in the crab cave to search what's there and then he saw crabs, they started causing trouble, he thought that he can tame them by becoming one of them, so he did the dance but that didn't work and he ran away
Why else would he be called a king
Go and see the murals in the crab cave, we see all 6 spirit's being troubled by crabs
Well looking in the concepts hes huge
/imo king is just child in mecha
Its no doubt hes strong physically too
crab cave murals since we be talking about it
Yes he is huge but is he strong is the question
Smily look at the eden concept
Hes terrifying and he doesnt look weak at all
Hmm
Want me to send it
/crabs need the water human destroy
King is a robot, the actual person is the prince who sits in it and controls it, since the price was small and weak, he needed something else to become powerful
We even see a concept of the Prince sitting in the King robot's head
So in reality the most strongest is either lamed or tsadi
i can't remember elder's names for the sake of my life
Maybe tsadi as in like physical streanght
Isle: Daleth (×)
Prairie: Ayin (×¢)
Forest: Teth (×)
Valley: Samekh (×”)
Wasteland: Tsadi (צ)
Vault: Lamed (×)
Prince/Not Corrupt King: Alef (×)
Corrupt King: Resh (ר)
PLEASE NOTE: These names have appeared in concept art and are often used when referring to the elders. They are no longer canon, they are fanon.
In the original story line I think prince is supposed to help us get out of the king body.. maybe that small person is you
I'll try to remember lolš
I think lamed is mentally the most powerful, and tsadi physically
Lamed has psychic powers too
Lamed seems like shes the head of the council or smth so yes she does seem powerful
This one
I still feel daleth holds much more importance than we realise
Grandpa isle is cool
We think he got excluded
Bc of a fight he had with lamed
Unlike the other realms his realm seems empty and underdeveloped
Plus his face isnt on the eden gate
Maybe he was the 1st Elder??š
Wait that doesn't make sense lol
He is old so
1st as in 1st in timeline of existence
Plus his face is completely broken (not like the others that only have a few scars there n there) so it adds up to him getting excluded
His story is complicated
See, from prarie, we start seeing the process of manufacturing power diamonds. Valley is the capital so that explains why nothing realted to industry is there
But isle is the only realm which has no sigh of manufacturing power diamonds
Maybe daleth was against all of this power diamond thing
Since it used light creatures
/maybe they were just starting tho?
And he wanted to save them
And got dismissed, and that's why no face in eden door and mask broken
perhaps he guides skids to warn them about eden and stuff
Plus he seems like he actually cared for light creatures
Isle gramps deserves the world
He knows what's out there and what will happen to us so warns us from the beginning
This also shows his skidanity ( that's a very bad term) meant humanity but they aren't humans so
Lamed also warns us but daleth looked like he really did care about skids
Him guiding us shows that he cares for everyone out there
Now i really wanna give him a hug 
/poor daleth
/but real question
/who took him back>
/did lamed just : Yea uh, sorry,....can you like, be back?
/didnt mean to kick you out daleth
Id think the king is the one who kicked him out and not lamed?
His face isnt on the eden gate but he has a shrine in the vaults summit
If lamed was the one to kick him out he wouldnt even be in the all elders cutscene
There's also the theory that the reason why Daleth isn't on the Eden gate is because he wasn't there to help seal it. Only the five Elders did
Like, something happened to him before the gate to Eden was sealed
Maybe his face is broken bc hes just old?
I feel like there's more to that
Probably
The King destroyed Daleth. Thatās why he canāt help the other five elder to seal eden gate(?)
I think the fact we see him coming from the Eden Mountain is a sign he was there and there was damaged
yeah suspicious that we only see the mountain in that cutscene 
we see it in ayinās as well
oh
..I like to thing he was there holding a position to shield the other Elders from getting out of the Storm so the others could close/seal Eden door (thus Daleth isn't there on the seals)
I recently noticed that in the shiny boy empty room there are two differnt ambient sounds.
One is the heartbeat we hear from our last moment before shattering and it get stronger as we reach for shinyboy.
The other is in the opposite direction and it's the Stormlock noise (and when you hear louder as you reach that boundary you can see above the orbit/eden lence flare
Uh off topic but how do you pronounce "tsadi" ? Is the T silent??? I keep saying it as "ts-ady"
no, thƩ ts are connected
So I'm rethinking my first symbolism idea about the hug scene. It seems like the shinyboy embodies our Chereful/Hopeful side (left in need of help). He is the Hope we need, but fading away (sort of like the last hope left on the bottom of the Pandora's Jar) as its heartbeat suggest.
i see it as tsah-di, imo
Its more like ts-ah-dee to me
/ooh, maybe the heartbeat symbolizes a friend
While the defeated side is us, who are the symbol of the physical form (since there is Stormsound and our hurted state of walking)
The ring halo is what we're meant to go towards. Ash stated its there so that it would give the player the instinct to follow it
So Failure and Hope meet and Hope is surprised when Failure ask for an hug (what?! help received from that "worse" side of me?) as a symbol of how me need to accept our mistakes instead of let ourselves feeling blue
Maybe rather than ask. Offer an hug
If the ring halo, or Megabird is behind us, it sounds we're straying further and further from what was once our original goal
Since the ring halo is there to emphasize a destination we're meant to follow
I like to think going closer to shiny boy symbolized us going to a deeper state of consciousness instead remaining in what is left (or resemble) our failure (the place where we died in stormlock..)
/wait wait teb so are you saying that failing to survive eden is actually a failure?
I can be felt like that at first. While we fall into emptyness
/ah
That's why it reminds me of Pandora
/the box with the curios laddy?
Yes the Greek mith with all the catastrophic things released from that box/jar/pot/whatever is called in english š
/jarr i believe ( not sure either im viet
/Hope is suprise we gave them a hug, but then again why did Hope reach out to us in the first place?
:INDEEDmeme: that's what bugs me more.. is Shiny just glad to not be alone?
There is saying in Italy which sort of is "shared problem, half gladness"
Gtg 
Hey guys, what do you think we make up of the spirits name that can help understand the lore?
Example those are vault spirits
It definitely helps us understand what they were doing...
By their name they probably used to pray/worship maybe the elders
And maybe a bit more abt the culture?
& preserve their history
I don't if any other names hold a meaning we can allaborate on
If you have any suggestions
« Tearful Light Miner »
« Laughing Light Catcher »
these tell us things about the ancestorsā relationship to light
it doesnāt seem like a holy object and more...like a resource to be collected and used
True true... The names seem to suggest stuff abt jobs/culture and similar things
and what piques my interest is the fact that in the concepts, darkness (specifically darkstone) was the thing being collected/mined
so
what happened to that
Almost like they were fishing..
Throw a bait and get a fish
@hushed steeple hi we're trying to discuss spirits names to better understand the realms
what do you mean, Smiley ?
Maybe both..? Could be they originally only tried to get light, but then moved on/also started mining darkstone when they discovered it?
What I interpreted from the isle mural is maybe the ancestors pray the light to come down and then when it did.. they just capture it make it as a resources
we donāt see references to darkstone in game aside from 1 mural, so it make me go 
Squint intensifies
Who collects darkness?
the ancestors iirc
I think ancestors dump darkness as a waste imo
Just my speculation
name of what, darkstone ?
Of spirit
Its not from spirit names, more from concepts
Name that suggests its there job
by reliving their memories, we get an idea of them, i guess
I see
This is a theory thats been around since before the spirit names
Oh a spirit that collect darkness?
theyāre talking about spirit names, not darkness/darkstone
What is the least interesting spirit we have in game?
The ones we have to relive every time
hmm, the call spirits probably
The call spirit in Valley 
Also the one that we found at the whale bone.. what's the name?
yep, whale whisperer
One of the spirits in wastland is wearing a black cape, maybe it used to collect darkness š¤·š»āāļø
Isnt he just hiding..?
I think he's called refugee?
@hushed steeple Stealthy survivor šļø
I checked the wiki lol
Capes were most likely to be purely cosmetic.
theyāre hiding from a krill in their cutscene
Sinc ancestors can't naturally fly 
Maybe black cape was used for camo? It does make you a bit harder to see lol
especially in waste since its so dark there
A dull green coloured cape is better at wasteland since it is .. green
They could be purely cosmetic for the ancestors, but also for camo š
Ya, but any dark cape in general would be good
Ya maybe
They detect light tbh
Might be krills have kinda bad eyesight lol
Because krill ignores you when you unlit iirc
Nah
No?
They still krill you if my capeless attempt is any evidence š
Wow
But the ancestors might not have the same light as us..? Idk
I must be really lucky then because they ignores me alot when I go unlit
š š
Ye they can't see us well when we past right next to them
They just kept krilling me but it might be case by case or luck?
One day they'll be able to percieve depth
XD
I dreamt about krill having an AI...
Worst nightmare I had this month
Idk.. it a dream lol
I played sky too much apparently
It means they won't hace defined path
Got the AI idea on #wishlist-and-ideas-archived lol
my guess would be that the plants instinctively try to draw from light sources, but the candle's light emits too much energy for them to handle and they get burnt instead?
I would agree with that, since we know that dark plants do try to absorb light
They might be really fragile when absorbing light,,,
Dark plant hate light right?
Could be they're fine with light from the surroundings, but skids lights are too strong or sth?
i get the impression that everything is drawn to light in this game, just that different creatures/substances have a different level of tolerance
Seems plausible šļø
it's like that concept that literally everything is poisonous to the human body -- it's a question of what amount of it is considered toxic (e.g. even water is technically poisonous if you drink far too much of it)
We gotta remember they turn into wax when they get burnt tho.. might more be the candle gets rid of the darkness
was it ever officially confirmed that those lights are candle wax? because the in-game quests just refers to it as "fragments of light" in multiple languages
Idk, But they still turn into light
i thought wax was a fanmade term in the sense of what we collect them for, but yeah, they leave behind light after they're fully burnt
i always saw that as the leftover nutrients that they had been withholding after we got rid of them
; - ;
You dont have to if you dont wanna upgrade your wings lol
#questions-and-help or #eden-spoilers is where you should ask
thatās not a lore related question
; - ;
it could actually be taken as one, but that doesn't seem to be the perspective you're asking of us
I think the lights that the plants turn into are leftover light or something
The plants do indeed shrick into their center when we kight it up with our candle, so in a way, it does seem like we're taking out the light from it, causing it to shrink
I disagree that we're taking light out
that's an odd thought considering we emit light 
I think it's more burning away the darkness... The light might be gathering at the centre and turning into pieces of light?
yeah, i'm more inclined to think creatures of the light emit...well, light, while creatures of darkness try to take it
True, though the plant does shrink when we light it up though
I think of it more like the dark plants imploding from too much light
It kinda does with a deep call knocking them over ig
might be different between living being and plant š
just that we're not imploding the crabs, just inhibiting their systems
Imagine if we could deep call krills and they just ragdolled Breath of the Wild style 
it's kinda weird how krill don't respond to deep calls though, even though they seem to have light properties
I think it's just the size difference
all animals do other than krill, which makes me wonder if krills are animals or machines, but they seem to be from crabs
If you punch a crab it's gonna have a greater effect than if you punch a whale
Krill does a deep call and all the crabs rush to it like the butterflies rush us-
nah, i don't think deep calls would have enough power to actually stun a krill, but i did think it'd get their attention
"What? I sense food" 
do krills have ears?
Krills get Ai when
that's...actually a good question, i don't know if aquatic animals in general have ears
tbf if I was making scary krill noises all the time I'd probably evolve to stop hearing as well
If Krills can call... Can we ever get a Krill sound call? 
sjhdkad please
Though, might be a little loud
i wouldn't be surprised if they're so obsessed with light that they've discarded their sense of hearing, but the deep call itself still seems to have wavelength/light properties that i'd imagine the krill could see or somehow sense (consider how deep calls can actually relight other players, as well as cause candle flames to react)
Maybe they'd feel the deep call as some sort of shockwave (kinda like crabs)?
A small one, but they'd feel it yeah?
yes that is true, there is a visual representation of deep calls with the light waves too, but that might be a game mechanic thing
Maybe our deep call can't reach the Krills
Would be hard to reach them since they're so high up
Deep calls can only have an effect if they're within the range of the call, sooo...
i thought one of mine did yesterday while doing the quest, i was trying to recharge another player and the thing's head twitched in my direction a split second later 
was just freaky coincidence i think, it didn't happen again when i tried later
but yeah, deep calls actually have some decent range, even as it's seemingly fading out
Yeah. But Krills are to high up, I guess
Also, I officially hate Krills. Got wacked by one while I was guiding a poor moth
oh, speaking of krills: can anyone tell if the wasteland krills are just spotted/covered in a lot of dust, or are they actually crumbling and full of holes?
Hmm, I'm not sure
I assumed it was like their aura of shadow magic or something? I never thought of it that way
No idea... maybe they're just pooping 24/7
XD
it's not the black dandruff i'm talking about, i mean on their actual bodies
The grey dots..?
it looked like greenish spots to me at first, but then i realised it's almost the same shade as the green background everywhere else -- so i can't tell if they're spots or actually see-through holes
yeah
i'm not sure which would be worse, they both make me think they're diseased 
From what I've seen it's just dust or sth lol
I didn't realise they had spots?
i think its the shading on the darkness they sweat
To me, at least, it doesn't look like its really attached to them yanno? More like big dust kinda floating on them lol
i guess they're looking more like spots than holes from this video (try around 0:33)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqMyDhNnQac
Yeah, definitely lil spots and not holes
they just make my skin crawl 
The way they move with the body looks a lot more like spots
š
Really? I think they're cute š
I thought they were just residual darkness dandruff that hadn't been shaken off yet
Maybe they havent showered in a while
I don't suppose the shower water in wasteland is very clean anyway 
Maybe thats why they want our light lol
hmm, yeah, i think they're spots now: if they were holes, they shouldn't be drawn on top of the flight trails since the trails are covering the background objects
So they can shower
his name is Charles š
thats just a leftover from beta
i think it might b a monument/memorial
thats just a leftover from beta
@topaz girder
^
Is it a statue or a frozen real creature?
it was unresponsive at first in beta, but after meditating + completing its quest, it will become alive
My Theory : this might be a sign that the valley was once not frozen & creatures/birds use to fly there peacefully untile the "ice age" hit & killed all living things leaving the kindom in valley abandoned
Can I discuss sky light awaits here?
uh the bird is just a tribute to beta days, it's sadly not lore related 
you can as long as it is lore related
it's not a spoiler though (other than eden stuff), so #general-sky-discussion is fine too
Okey ty
yeah it was probay not frozen
Its usually greenery not cold frozen areas
valley probably used to look like prairie
I know the bird is for beta but maybe it's a sign from devs, looking at how its just placed there
Frozen
creatures can still live peacefully there though
My Theory : this might be a sign that the valley was once not frozen & creatures/birds use to fly there peacefully untile the "ice age" hit & killed all living things leaving the kindom in valley abandoned
@dense umbra
They could but this bird is not it froze
& it wouldn't be there if the conditions of living were bad
Could be that this pkace suddenly froze
Okay so my interpretation might be way off but I think itās still interesting.
A long time ago, humans in the real world hunted down whales and used their blubber to turn it into oil to fuel lamps and other stuff.
Iāve thought of the āmudā in the Golden Wasteland as some kind of oil spill.
...
What if the Sky People hunted the whales too and used them for resources as well and the remains of the whales became the krill?
/Vayne
Bros... a valley is the way the place dips down.... I'm pretty sure they can be in all weather
/in for lore chat?
Huh?
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i think whales cant really be krills , they are REALLY different
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unless you got another on earlier
But what do you guys think about my interpretation lol
Might help to read the doc
that is an interesting theory, never seen it before actually 
There has been theories abt hunting light creatures for the light itself iirc
/yea but i doubt we can turn into krill
The whales are too different from krills tho. yeah they're big but Iirc their skeletons are way too different
/ unless we talking about human centipide (do not search it up it's a horror movie)
You know they say that a reactor wa built in eden that blew up and created the storm, usually a phenomena called nuclear winter occurs after a nuclear bomb (that's not in sky though) maybe the valley of triumph got corrupted and this resulted in the snow and ice, just a suggestion
does krills even have skeletons
exoskeletons, from memory
iirc one of the whale creatures turned into just the skull or sth from that Tom guy's concepts-
though anatomically whales and krills are quite different and i'm not sure how whale remains will form krill (through composition of light remains becoming darkness), who knows? maybe corruption got the whales that bad. not much is confirmed so yeah, we can't really prove you right nor prove you wrong
You know they say that a reactor wa built in eden that blew up and created the storm, usually a phenomena called nuclear winter occurs after a nuclear bomb (that's not in sky though) maybe the valley of triumph got corrupted and this resulted in the snow and ice, just a suggestion
i thought that the eden kaboom might be the cause of valley being frozen too
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Megabird tastes like chicken. Thatās another interpretation I have too.
Actually am I the only one who wants to know why the krill has lights?Like Iām not sure if this was mentioned before but curious
does that mean we can eat megan 
To see better 
Megabird tastes like chicken. Thatās another interpretation I have too.
/oooh my favourite theory thanks Vayne
besides gameplay purposes? maybe all creatures have a bit of light or something if it's considered a life force?
/also i have head cannon where sky kids are spaghetti
Unless we go with theory that krills are machines...
Well, if weāre going off the assumption that the Sky People hunted down the whales for their light and the remains of the whales became the krill then the krill use whatever is left of their light to seek out other light creatures to consume their light as well.
Isnt there a theory that the King used krills as bodyguards and that's why there's krill in eden?
Something like that iirc
...great ririthu, now i've got an image of the king riding in a sleigh being pulled by like 6 krills
/i see the krills are a bit too leggy to be comming from whales
š š
what is he, santa?
Because the whole sky experience I had is more nature-y and then the krillsā lights make them see artificial and all that as in they they could glow I guess or smt to show its seeable distance instead of an outright light
He's here to deliver darkness to all
what is he, santa?
/thanks spearmonkey i laugh too hard and mom's going to my room now
I think the lights are just a design choice, nothing deep
And no other creature to my knowledge can change their light colour [do understand is for sake of players tho]
They could just be like flashlight fish, that have luminescent organs behind their eyes that shines through, since the krill actually does have an eye with a pupil and all
« merry eden explosion, children. ātis the season of original sin and corruption.Ā Ā»
They could just be like flashlight fish, that have luminescent organs behind their eyes that shines through, since the krill actually does have an eye with a pupil and all
@delicate coral
Wait what I thought that the light was their eye???
I like the idea of the krill being mechanical. It fits with the idea of industrialization and the pollution that comes from it as being the true source of the corruption and darkness.
Yes the ball thing that the light comes from is their eye
itās got a tiny pupil 
if krills were like pets, would they be more like cats or dogs 
Also the thing on top of its head resembles a pair of antenna sort of
Cats
The real question is, how can they fly?
Magic
How can whales fly in this game? Lol
True considering you fly with light and they are darkness
Thatās a good point
maybe they arenāt entirely dark...itās just a shell
how can anything fly
sky science defies much boundaries of the science we have irl
The whale is fat and the krill is boney tho
Exactly.
The whale is fat and the krill is boney tho
@small terrace
Not being offensive to the whale
the whale is much longer than the krill iirc
And the krill stands upright when in attack mode
and their basic structure is very different
Nothing else does that
krills have 9 pairs of legs, whale has none
Hi everyone 
Not even the crabs which can attack you
What if the krills are the corrupted versions of light creatures?
hi malak
Hi everyone
@fallen raptor
Hi lol
What if the krillās legs are just the whaleās ribs?
buh did it just not send my message
Okay well

Hmm
What if the krillās legs are just the whaleās ribs?
@hushed steeple
They have ribs???
I think so???????????
What if the krillās legs are just the whaleās ribs?
thatās one heck of an evolutionary process
Whale anatomy
Pff
youāre probably using a censored term, Riri
its censoing thick with 2 C
I see the light
@small terrace and krill anatomy
What if Sky: Children of the Light is just a video game based on a fictional setting?
Yes thatās the general consensus
Now lets have a whale
What if Sky: Children of the Light is just a video game based on a fictional setting?
@hushed steeple i doubt that, sky is more important than anything
big boy
I guess my whale theory doesnāt really make sense. Hmm.
Oh whale
If that came my way I would uninstall the game
Lo> Oh whale
@hushed steeple
Lol*
I canāt quote
Their size too lemme give you all a quick size comparision
Bruh if the whales were evil I would uninstall myself

whale is neutral as far as we know
We can see from the whale in forest that its way too big
It's like krill size even when its far away
But only light creatures can fly right?
looks bigger than a krill
Whales can fly therefore they are associated with light
i think krill are mechanical but im just trying to figure out how crabs figure into that
And the pic of the krill with my friend
krill can fly but theyāre creatures of darkness
Compare the size to a player
meaning that flight ā light
But what if they are mechanical?
krill shed darkness like things full of light do
Yes then why we need light?
And if darkness can fly why canāt crabs fly
Krills have ligth
so krill might be mechanical constructs that are infused with so much light they shed darkness
Maybe that is why
In my headcanon crabs are corrupted
Light helps us fly, no? The capes seem to be made of light imo
I hate crabs more than anything
Light helps us fly, no? The capes seem to be made of light imo
@frail talon
Yes they are
But flight might not immediately mean light
but crabs behave like mini krill so if krill are mechanical then š¤
You only get them when you collect winged light
but even if they are mechanical, they still arenāt light
at least they are powered with power diamonds, meaning they arenāt light
but crabs behave like mini krill so if krill are mechanical then š¤
@sand aurora
Ahh true they turn red
And there is something about turning red
Bricky being big brain as usual
light ā flight, and flight ā light
So the krill are mechanical creatures powered by diamonds?????
In creatures of darkness
they jitter and charge while screeching
Eden diamond also red 
What do you mean by krills are mechanical?
Maby crabs are child krill
So the krill are mechanical creatures powered by diamonds?????
@hushed steeple
How about light sabers
i think krill might be machines and their eyes are power diamonds
Crabs are a tad too small to be baby krill imo...
but i cant get close enough to their eyes without DYING
So the krill are mechanical creatures powered by diamonds?????
Imo ? No, I believe theyāre natural creatures. Iām simply engaging with your theory to explain another perspective
@hushed steeple Thatās an interesting way to look at it
the way krill also make metal clinking noises when you fly near them tho..
but if they are mechanical, theyre likely powered with power diamonds
i think the eyes are diamonds
i donāt see that as metal imo
Hmm..this renforces the theory that krills were created by the king in his hunt for power
They could be creatures of light that have been changed with machine stuff but idk
sounds more like theyāre just...crusty
In this world itās krill or be krilled.
right they could be creatures covered in machine bits too
Wait what king what did i miss
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In this world itās krill or be krilled.
@hushed steeple yes
It explains here, Fish
Welcome aboard!
I donāt think we see anything in the sky kingdom which indicates that they are capable of manufacturing something as complex as krill. The closest we get is flying boats, and theyāre nowhere near as intricate.
Oof
I had a theory that krills are created by the king @small terrace
from what i investigated of the wasteland yesterday i think krill were originally made to protect the vault
I donāt think we see anything in the sky kingdom which indicates that they are capable of manufacturing something as complex as krill. The closest we get is flying boats, and theyāre nowhere near as intricate.
@delicate coral
Hmm they do harness magic
we have the complex door opening mechanisms
And the wisdom place whose full name I forgot
i think i have screenshots of the doc, can i dm you, fish ?
Door opening is a bit different from an autonomous killing machine with intelligent sensors
Very big leap to make
this is true
Pfff nahhh
i think maybe creature reinforced with armor/machine
we know that they are technology/mechanicly advenced looking at this place in valley
oh yeah true the citadel is wild
Itās interesting how all of the animals in Sky come from the sea: whales, crabs, mantas, jellyfish
Ah yes
SHRIMP
Itās interesting how all of the animals in Sky come from the sea: whales, crabs, mantas, jellyfish
@hushed steeple
Hmm indeed
but citadel is still...chunky
krill aināt chunky
theyāre...smooth and elegant
Yes
true, the krill are very triangular whereas common spirit construction is blocky or based around the jar
tho we also see the king associated with spikes
krills are ĆLĆGANT creatures and we need to give them more love
And also did you all realise that the player will like squat and crouch and all that when you are very very close to the krill
dink dink
Krills are adorable š
krills have windwall
Wait wat
their models make us crouch like in eden
Krills taste like dark chocolate. Thatās my head canon.
oh yeah i noticed that
Thats cause the wind go whoosh and lil skykid go nooo
your skykid crouches in fear near them
Also can you like ummm ride a krill??
no
Nahh
Ok lol
their models are intangible
I still wanna try
just like mantas
But maybe i will lose light
Krill doesnt hold you like that, they just take your light when you get too close
honey iāve tried, iām a dark creature fan, iāve tried
you cannot ride krills 
You can still get your WL back
we only see krill depicted in the ark murals right?
lmao, I spammed crab emote once in Eden while a krill was passing me and it just made me burnt out yanno?
You can still get your WL back
@inner comet
Ahh im not bothered
Especially in like eden
When the WL just yeets itself everywhere
also when you get your winged light knocked by krill and they die do they return to the places in other realms
Is there a lore explanation about how the home trick saves you from getting damaged by the krill? Lol
Ya
we only see krill depicted in the ark murals right?
Yeah afaik thatās the only mural depiction of krill in the game
also when you get your winged light knocked by krill and they die do they return to the places in other realms
@sand aurora yes
At the winged light thing I mean
i thought so but thought i might be missing winged lights LOL
Is there a lore explanation about how the home trick saves you from getting damaged by the krill? Lol
@hushed steeple no hacks here i believe
Its a fact
The way krills operate deflintly indicates they arecreated/manifactured
Sudden silence
The way krills operate deflintly indicates they created/manifactured
@dense umbra
Hmm like exactly??
Glitches and tricks are valid. Table move is one.
You move people around with the table. It's fun
krill are the only creatures that follow set movement paths
letās focus on lore, eh ? not just educating the moff 
that might just be to make it easier for players but
The way krills operate deflintly indicates they created/manifactured
@dense umbra How so?
You move people around with the table. It's fun
@short owl
Oof and you can pick up a upturned crab
if you have non-lore questions, go to #questions-and-help, fish
they also move very jerkily
if you have non-lore questions, go to #questions-and-help, fish
@lethal stump ok sure
Unfortunatly... A dev said they were natural creatures. :(
they did ?
they also move very jerkily
@sand aurora
True and its velocity when it hits you is like no others
when ?
Same for crab
Source?
Uuuuuuh a while ago... Hold on
Go go Null!
Krill are natural creatures hmm
Pff
You're doing great
thank
If they are natural then how do we explain their behaviour?
Small brain
And why they hate players??
Theyāre predators
They hang around with crabs just fine
How do they fly
They predate
they donāt hate
they just want dinner
How do they fly
@brittle tendon
Both are ummm dark though
They're hungry hungry shrimps
how does anything in sky fly
Wait what do they eat
Light?
how is there a civilization in the sky
They're hungry hungry shrimps
@frail talon
Sudden realisation that they look like shrimp
How do the clouds yeet you like they do?
Magic
How did the spirits die?
Krill donāt just attack players. They attack mantas too. So they probably attack any creature associated with light.
bruhh censor....
Too many questions
things can float/fly in this universe, itās well-established, i feel like we donāt have to get into the semantics of it
Is the wastelands elder a female?
elders donāt have genders 
No gender!
itās up to you
Krill donāt just attack players. They attack mantas too. So they probably attack any creature associated with light.
@hushed steeple
Hmmm but I donāt think they consume light considering that after you get hit WL returns
Y e s ~ š¤
How did the spirits die?
up to you, mate
They died cus of death?
They were fallen according to start of game iirc
... I broke search while trying to look for it
no, thƩ stars in the opening are the Elders
Hmmm but I donāt think they consume light considering that after you get hit WL returns
@small terrace I would assume thatās a game mech, they can hardly take your wl away permanently
Sprits didn't die cause they are killed
The spirits died because they ceased living
Maybe the time (?)
@small terrace I would assume thatās a game mech, they can hardly take your wl away permanently
@delicate coral
True wait so what happens when say krill attacks manta?
It disappears
Spirits died cause of liven't š
it gets eaten, it dies
Bc in GW (wasteland) there is a manta at start of krill place
When why are they still lingering around
hold on, i have a pic which would be useful for this convo
And then the krill attacks I believe
hold on, i have a pic which would be useful for this convo
@lethal stump
Sure
Are the memories of the spirits (wat u see)
Ya the first krill in Waste eats the manta
Sky lore while sleep deprived is fun
Wow
... I broke search while trying to look for it
if you are referring to search tool in discord then you just need to restart the app
credits to @/bluespirit#8811
And everytime they like respawn
that sounds more like a game mech
Ye
or if youre like me and you subscribe to the time loop theory, then itās how the world is supposed to work
š³ Is the krill anatomy somewhere reliable so its possible to find it later on?
Cause you clearly canāt kill them
God, probably
Wait if krills are not apex who eats them
:)))
Any more info on the time loop theory?
What if we replace Krills with mantas
Maybe the whales used to eat those shrimps
Time Loop Theory
#lore-discussion-spoilers message
So, every time I am ||reborn|| I reincarnate as the same person
no need for spoilers 
So, every time I am ||reborn|| I reincarnate as the same person
@brittle tendon
Yes considering that u reborn with the same clothing (like they could make u default bit save the outfit so you can change back later instead of completely keep)
@lethal stump That theory is very interesting
no need to ping, iām right here

@brittle tendon
Yes considering that u reborn with the same clothing (like they could make u default bit save the outfit so you can change back later instead of completely keep)
@small terrace default but save the outfit*



