yeah, but it’ll be a little while before the doc owner accepts them
#lore-discussion-spoilers
lethal stump
compact olive
Accepts?
compact olive
I was more conceptualizing a user editable doc. Like Princess Bet could belong.
short owl
Oz, a wiki would be better suited for that. Docs don't have the same multiuser features
lethal stump
a wiki is currently being compiled for and worked on
it will have a headcanons section
tender dune
good luck to whoever is doing that
compact olive
Princess Bet and Emo Ally 
on a real life wiki
lethal stump
it’s a team of about 11 people
i think we’ll be able to do this
tender dune
thats nice
oh yeah, i accidentally 'oobed?' in praire (the left side), dunno if there is something useful lorewise
The place i peek down at is the same place i peek up at inside the cave
i was going to stay there to investigate further but the wind yeeted me into a reset 
compact olive
I used to think there was a spaceship up there
compact olive
There’s something that is saucer shaped in the mountain that sound like metal when you walk on it and it used to have letters on it like the top of the USS Enterprise
tender dune
tender dune
u got pics or location?
compact olive
And if you walk on rock you hear rock.
Yeah, I took elder hage there
You’re right there in your photos but it’s behind you
tender dune
compact olive
I’ll get on and show you if you’re willing
tender dune
im too sleepy rn to play 
lethal stump
tender dune
walking on that stone thing did sound more metalic than rock
compact olive
You’re standing on it
lethal stump
sounds like a pot
compact olive
It has 2 different sounds
lethal stump
i bet this place was a mine of sorts for the material of those pots
compact olive
Yes like a pot
tender dune
yeah
compact olive
But it’s saucer shaped
lethal stump
not really
compact olive
And how do you explain the straight lines ?
lethal stump
it’s
tender dune
and probably storage of pots to ship
tender dune
i walked there and didnt notice any lines
the only scribbles on rocks that ive seen are the graveyard rocks
compact olive
Getting photos
tender dune
how did u guys go there btw? 😂 for me i tried flying out a hole and it let me (but now it wont lol)
lethal stump
go up the left side of the ditch
lethal stump
those lines aren’t there anymore
tender dune
compact olive
These pictures are literally taken 5 minutes ago
lethal stump
i was there just now and those lines aren’t there
tender dune
tender dune
u think its a loading issue?
compact olive
Not easy to find
lethal stump
i know the area you’re talking about, Oz
tender dune
yeah plz do so others can also take pics
compact olive
I’ll draw it’s location. You double check
lethal stump
i’m going there rn
tender dune
plot twist u two meet up 
compact olive
lethal stump
im here
i see the lines
this is just a texture bug
it happens all over the game
compact olive
Used to be blue letters like this
Have a goodnight Teth
I understand devs might say it’s a texture bug, my head canon however sees too many coincidences... it’s not naturally shaped. It’s flat and crashed into the mountain. It’s specifically saucer shaped with straight lines on it, it sounds like a pot at first and then the closer you get to the straight lines it sounds more like metal. It used to have a designation like the USS Enterprise. “The stars fell” ...the sKids closet has alien antenna
hushed steeple
Is the theory doc invite only?
lethal stump
it’s suggesting
you can’t edit until the owner approves the edit/addition
hushed steeple
Is the link in the pins?
lethal stump
yes
compact olive
Will they accept Princess Bet ?
lethal stump
yes, it’s made by butter
compact olive
Who is butter?
lethal stump
a user on the discord
compact olive
was the last time they Posted back in feb ?
hushed steeple
The lore channel progress so fast, you miss so much for even one hour
compact olive
Nvm I did the search like you said
But I can’t answer this question Bricky... only you can...
The question is.... what do you think about the alien antenna on the closet ?
lethal stump
what are you talking about
compact olive
you’ve never notes the alien antenna ?
lethal stump
clearly i haven’t, what are you talking about ?
compact olive
2nd pic...see the blue skinned alien looking child with the antenna/ears ?
2nd from the left
Sitting in the center mound.
lethal stump
i see it
lethal stump
why are those statues at home space ?
okay
but skids themselves don’t have those ears
compact olive
They were moved in game to the bottom of the clouds
I know...
Weird
You’d think devs would change it after a year of it being ....there
(Whispers) alieeeeeenssssss...
lethal stump
ok you think that, have fun
hushed steeple
Guys that's just a concept art?
compact olive
Lol
Amio concept art , sure, but ....it’s concept art that made it into the game
I don’t know what I think of it. I mean it seemed like we were aliens, the 3 eyes (crystal bindi on forehead) antenna on sky kid in game art.. fallen stars. Could be aliens. Definitely not of this world/planet... but that’s not really what I’m interested in. I’m more interested in what you think it is and why it’s ther
lethal stump
we’re not of the sky world, we’re from orbit, of course we’ll look a bit odd/mystical
compact olive
So do you think this is just a big TGC mistake ?
I mean it’s in home space. Everyone looks at it every day they play, at least once
I’ve noticed this about a year ago and now I noticed it was in concept art
lethal stump
no, i don’t think it’s a mistake
we’re supposed to stand out in the sky world
a light in the darkness
especially when you’re in levels like forest, wasteland, vault, or eden
compact olive
I can dig that. Unique.
Do you feel that the difference between that image and our actual appearance is insignificant and if so, why would the “drawing” of us have something on it that we don’t have on ourselves ?
Feels like it was a closet for someone else maybe?
lethal stump
i don’t particularly know
compact olive
(O_O)
Could it be that we are not the first incarnation of an attempt to save the elders?
lethal stump
perhaps
compact olive
Maybe they failed! Antenna kids. And we were created to pick up their slack... maybe THEY are the frozen “failed” stone kids in Eden we save?!
I’m losing my mind. Please ignore me
short owl
Maybe they're arms reaching up?
We are clearly seeing it from the back, or we'd see more leg
kind bobcat
The antenna kid could be wearing a mask
normal berry
This kid is holding what seems to be a bunny mask, which has ears that look peculiarly similar to the skykid with "antennas"
I reckon this skykid is just wearing a bunny mask
sly kestrel
Yay concept talk 😀
celest spoke
I figured antennas originally represented head/hair add-ons like the healing flower and enchantment earrings/sidelocks, maybe would’ve included separate hats
static spoke
Yes
cold steppe
yeah, it looks like a mask of some kind
the current fox mask clips through hair a lot
you can kind of see something similar here
static spoke
It could be a concept of this mask.
cold steppe
Yeah. I don’t have the fox mask but here you can see the ears clipping through the hair
cold steppe
The concept art also reminded me of this type of mask
Sometimes artists use dark colors to simulate black
static spoke
Yes, it does look very similar.
misty idol
Anyone have any clues about what this is?
rare field
I'm going through the wasteland album and "Shores of Manna"
Manna is bread, but it also essentially meant "what is it"
"Shores of the Unknown"
lethal stump
it’s a bug
compact olive
No. It’s a shell.
lethal stump
compact olive
Oh you mean like a computer bug
lethal stump
yes, i mean an in game bug
compact olive
Don’t shells denote more marine biology exists in Sky?
cold steppe
like a glitch
if it's floating, it's probably a bug
though the one spirit is called something shell collector
compact olive
But I’ve never seen a shell period in sky
sly kestrel
That shell is apart of the sanctuary spirit but it’s floating appearance is a bug
Along with that runic cube posted earlier ^
Ash said that was a bug as well
gloomy orchid
My friend said that the spirits scattered across the maps are placed in the spot in which they died and that’s all I’ve thought about today.
lethal stump
not all spirit memories are about their deaths
some are about important things that happened in their lives
gloomy orchid
Ooooh
I was thinking about that, since the way they just sit there sadly is... well, kinda sad
which makes me wonder what one would’ve looked like alive.
... never mind i just remembered the elders
lethal stump
elders and ancestors aren’t the same uwu
gloomy orchid
hUh
lethal stump
are you new to lore chat ?
gloomy orchid
wait elders are the guardian dudes of each map right?
lethal stump
yes, the ones at the end
Hello, new Lore Moff, welcome to Lore Chat !
- Check the pins for concept art, canon information, and common theories
- All theories are welcome !
- Let your mind run free, the story has been left vague for us to make for ourselves
Here for the elder names ?
Isle: Daleth (ד)
Prairie: Ayin (ע)
Forest: Teth (ט)
Valley: Samekh (ס)
Wasteland: Tsadi (צ)
Vault: Lamed (ל)
Prince/Not Corrupt King: Alef (א)
Corrupt King: Resh (ר)
PLEASE NOTE: These names have appeared in concept art and are often used when referring to the elders. They are no longer canon, they are fanon.
Enjoy your stay in Lore Chat !
gloomy orchid
no I’m not new haha but holy noly ive never seen this
So who are the ancestors? Are those the spirits?
oohhhhhhh (sorry phone died)
how are the two different?
lethal stump
elders are ancient and godlike
ancestors are more human, and were likely mortal
gloomy orchid
so ancestors are kind of like the lesser decedents?
lethal stump
wdym ?
gloomy orchid
i said it strange, im a little tired, but i meant to ask, are the elders the “creators” or kind of like the first of their kind?
gaunt sluice
What is a cape made of?
lethal stump
most of us believe they are made of light
i said it strange, im a little tired, but i meant to ask, are the elders the “creators” or kind of like the first of their kind?
we’re not sure. the elders, aside from the info i just gave you, don’t have a lot about them. I suggest checking the canon lore doc just in case i missed any info here
lethal stump
Hello, new Lore Moff, welcome to Lore Chat !
- Check the pins for concept art, canon information, and common theories
- All theories are welcome !
- Let your mind run free, the story has been left vague for us to make for ourselves
Here for the elder names ?
Isle: Daleth (ד)
Prairie: Ayin (ע)
Forest: Teth (ט)
Valley: Samekh (ס)
Wasteland: Tsadi (צ)
Vault: Lamed (ל)
Prince/Not Corrupt King: Alef (א)
Corrupt King: Resh (ר)
PLEASE NOTE: These names have appeared in concept art and are often used when referring to the elders. They are no longer canon, they are fanon.
Enjoy your stay in Lore Chat !
We believe they died, to answer your question
tired matrix
from what?? like an apocalypse or?
sorry if I'm asking too many questions,, I'm just extremely curious
lethal stump
the eden diamond exploding !
(i HIGHLY suggest reading the canon lore doc in the pins, i think it’ll answer some questions you might have)
tired matrix
:0 oh
pearl void
Henlo Sky children
Oh btw is there any name to regard us as Sky people?
Like Skyian (?)
pearl void
Are ancestors from Sky?
lethal stump
the spirits we relive, are you talking about those ?
lethal stump
but Skykids, Elders, and Ancestors are all different...
pearl void
That currently appear/live in Sky, to me this is enough
tender dune
I think from what i understand is
Skykids (us)are made by someone
Ancestors are the spirits you see and relive
Elders came from the sky (the fallen stars)
golden cave
Soo like ancestors is more ancient than elders
Because elders fall in to different realm
lethal stump
ancestors seem to be mortal, unlike elders
golden cave
And given a task to role that realm
lethal stump
we know the elders are ancient
we don’t know their ages, if they even have ages
mild lark
Now that ancient word make me to believe that the sky kingdom is abandoned more than 1000+ years..
So maybe what we see today is 1000 years old ruins.
hushed steeple
More than that?
sly kestrel
“A long time has passed”
This could have any answer, and judging by all the ruin, I’m pretty sure it was a long time before we got sent
topaz girder
thats some strong buildings, staying for 1000 (+?) years
mild lark
It stone
topaz girder
yeyes
sly kestrel
Well don’t forget it’s....broken
mild lark
Like carved out stone.. not like stacked stone like we see in irl
hushed steeple
Everything is broken... Destroyed
mild lark
Some of it still standing
sly kestrel
Now that I think about it......the temples are in perfect condition
hushed steeple
*most of
mild lark
Except eden
sly kestrel
Well it don’t rlly have a temple
Not like the other realms where the temple is the final area
hushed steeple
But i feel like that last area which has tomb was a temple
topaz girder
which area is that 🤨
hushed steeple
Wait
mild lark
Is this it?
topaz girder
thats the vault thrones
sly kestrel
So confident 🤜🏻
mild lark
I take that as a no
hushed steeple
Ah ya... It might be worked as temple?
topaz girder
maybe when we fly to orbit, those are temple remains?
hushed steeple
Why those tomb/statues tho
hushed steeple
Those elders
hushed steeple
But it missing Eden elder statue👀
topaz girder
yes 😳
hushed steeple
To be a temple
lethal stump
i think those are their thrones
the ones we see in the temples are tombs/graves of sorts
lethal stump
what’s huge ?
hushed steeple
King
mild lark
Their thrones?
lethal stump
their thrones aren’t really that big, frankly
maybe, 6 or 7 feet tall. 8 at most
compared to some of the elders, well....
mild lark
cries in 5'10
Damn that is tall
Remember yesterday when I say king is just big candle..
That got me thinking
Candle is made from wax right?
On our irl technology they can produce synthetic wax without killing whale..
So we now know that sky is pretty mediaeval.
Are they killing whale for wax?
lethal stump
why do you need to kill a whale for wax ? just use beeswax
mild lark
beeswax? Googling time
lethal stump
bees make wax...it was used commonly in the medieval era because it was easy to farm
most re-enactors use beeswax as well
hushed steeple
Wax from Honey
mild lark
Yes that true
But we saw a factory... So that is like closer to industrial age.
Well I don't want to expand this wax theory as me myself hate it if it true
topaz girder
are whales elder creatures?
still holly
lethal stump
elder creatures technically are no longer canon
topaz girder
ooh
golden cave
Bees make honey kids....
dusky sorrel
Is it ok to post a photo here if it concerns something lore related? Or something worth theorizing around?
lethal stump
yes !
dusky sorrel
I was looking at all the elder statues at the end of vault. Noticed that only wasteland elder’s statue has a crack down the middle
Idk if it means anything, but I thought it was interesting
golden cave
It’s mean he is tough guy like a really rough guy just can’t get enough guy chest always so puff guys
lethal stump
golden cave
Haha sorry gangs you all so serious about it I’m coming to cheer you up
tender dune
I was looking at all the elder statues at the end of vault. Noticed that only wasteland elder’s statue has a crack down the middle
@dusky sorrel it has a crack down because they are twins. So they share the statue
dusky sorrel
Oh no not valley elders, wasteland elder
tender dune
Ah sry
hushed steeple
If you guys look at old beta wasteland tomb/statue/grave had only lower broken part
Wait lemme find the pic
tender dune
((Wasn't it because he kind of perished/ got half corrupted? Thats what i remember from the concept of gw elder))
hushed steeple
Oops i was wrong srry
tender dune
It ok ami
dusky sorrel
Yeah I figured it was because of the corruption in GW, somehow the spirit never really recovered
Lost to the darkness or smthn.
tender dune
I think he was the last one standing. I mean if u see from his cutscene he wakes up a bit for us then falls
tender dune
golden cave
Omg that statue...
Yeah the old sky version is more sadder
Give more impact
But it is for kids maybe they should not put some overwhelming things
hushed steeple
Actually that old cutscene suits better with game story i think
golden cave
I think....that every version of Sky is a part of the story too....
As what you said earlier that alien sky kids is the stone kids from the Eden...
That statue maybe get replaced inside because the krills hate it....
Maybe right???
Just fun lore
hushed steeple
I love how that cutscene shows wasteland elder opening the gate for skids
gray bridge
i wouldn't mind the angst of concept art wasteland elder sacrificing himself for skids to advance tho
kind bobcat
Huh, so the archives' soundtrack was beta vault
unkempt canyon
Back when i first started playing last year, there weren’t as many broken things and now I’ve noticed some statues or jars and stuff which are currently broken or worn down slowly compared to before. Idk if that’s intentional or not hmm
sly kestrel
I think....that every version of Sky is a part of the story too....
@golden cave u can headcanon it and make theories but overall, the old versions and concepts aren’t relevant to the current sky story
dusky sorrel
So bc the statue was broken before they just stuck it back together
I’m picturing little skykids stacking it back up using glue 
true terrace
hushed steeple
gray bridge
^^^, just spoiler tag the photo there
mild lark
Why do orbit has so much rocks...
delicate coral
Maybe it's all the debris from eden getting launched up
The fragments kind of look like the rock rain from the first area of Eden?
wispy canopy
Hey guys what's the topic, also how've everyone been
static spoke
I believe we were talking about Wasteland’s cutscene.
static spoke
I’m still confused
wispy canopy
Hey oliver
static spoke
What changed?
static spoke
I thought so! I saw one in Wasteland too but I wasn’t sure what you meant
mild lark
Yes
static spoke
wispy canopy
Yea
mild lark
It old boat
wispy canopy
There s a lotta theory surrounding the boat
Yea smiley
The old boat
Trees were probably pushed down roughly
No sign of Sharp object cutting em
wispy canopy
They either unussualy flipped over or something bash thru it
swift helm
Megabirb
static spoke
Could have been an old creature that died in the whole Eden thing.
wispy canopy
That could basically show far we are from sky if this is home base or.
The theory and concept art about energy from ground lvl goin up to megabird
Finally
This shows that it's norm society in valley
That's my report for the day bois
Enjoy
static spoke
Sort of like the alleys in Aladdin
delicate coral
I think those boats in forest have always been there
I can recall seeing them before this update, unless you mean something about them changed
wispy canopy
If that's the case then it took me a while to realise them, then again don't see why we should dismiss them unless they've been talked bout
Anyway gtg guys
Hope to chat later
delicate coral
They’re probably just transport boats as seen in the mural opposite them
I would think
static spoke
This one could be an escape boat, a landing skiff, or another vessel to sail away in.
mild lark
Another vessel to sail away
The boat is small... So maybe it for carrying supplies to the main ship
static spoke
Yes
mild lark
Irl big ship can go to shore or they will get stuck
static spoke
We see one spirit sailing away in a boat
mild lark
Cant*
Maybe this shipwreck is actually ship that got stuck on shore
That doesn't explain why it broken in half tho
swift helm
Where's that
@wispy canopy isle elder room oob
static spoke
In a place called Cape May, NJ.
static spoke
Yeep!
static spoke
Well
mild lark
Well there is krill legs on the ship
paper matrix
did anyone watch the gdc presentation?
mild lark
So the most logical answer is the ship got attacked by krill
What? I didn't know tgc had a presentation
paper matrix
yuchiro tanabe hosted a talk abt sky for GDCSummer but I'm finding it very hard to find ppl with info about it
mild lark
What is it about
paper matrix
the art of sky: cotl
"his talk covers how the art team applies the studio philosophy to the visualization of the game to achieve the goal of creating a positive emotional experience that connects players worldwide and appealing to all ages.
The presentation will discuss about three main elements in the game; environment, theming and progression of levels, and character design.
For the environment you will see how the "light" is used both visually and thematically in making emotional environments. Then through multiple levels you see how different themes are used to show an emotional progression, and finally go over character design to share challenges faced in designing characters for an online multiplayer game."
paper matrix
apart from the schedule summary theres virtually no info on the internet about it
so i was wondering if folks here could shed some light
🥁
static spoke
I know nothing about it...yet.
tawny coral
Im kinda confused how eden storm still has so much rocks pelting in your direction and in the storm. Over years or so it should be like small or dust.
gray bridge
welcome
tawny coral
Hmm. On the topic of the massive debris in ||orbit|| it could be why. Tho i kinda think itd just destroy the land itself
paper matrix
my info search encompassed social media; i didnt think of searching the wider internet about it
static spoke
Some people think that Skids are trapped in the same week.
Or
That each portal takes you to a different place in time
gilded fossil
/i like how krills are present in midlife crisis
/like, the boomers just hate the youngers gens so they alway hit all of them
delicate coral
Huh
The sky kids in that art kinda look like kodama from princess mononoke
I wonder if there was any influence there
paper matrix
you might be onto something!!
i remember in a past talk they saud they took influence frm ghibli at times
gray bridge
ooo i think you might be right dropman
i think it was mentioned the butterfly fields in prairie were inspired by a scene in howl's moving castle
delicate coral
Hm then I wonder if it would be too far a stretch to say that there’s lore implications because of that
In a sense it fits in with the whole idea of sky kids ‘shepherding light’, since the kodama act as guides to help ashitaka find his way in the movie
Then again there’s probably a decent chance that it’s just because it looks good
gray bridge
maybe it might not be a direct inspiration (but who knows) but it's an interesting comparison between the two 
gilded fossil
i think it was mentioned the butterfly fields in prairie were inspired by a scene in howl's moving castle
@gray bridge /oooh? which scene? neverseen it before
gray bridge
it was before howl and sophie saw the planes and then the climax of the town bombing attack happened
i can see the prairie in it
kind bobcat
Remember the tomcept where prairie is just a big boulder?
mild lark
That huge round rock in prairie is just a big boulder? I thought that was a very weird hill
kind bobcat
Yeah that round rock is called a boulder in the 7 days of sky twitter posts i think.
what's a boulder doing there
mild lark
just chilling
Some kind of giant must be the one who move it there... If it was moveable at all
kind bobcat
Or it just rolled down from somewhere.
mild lark
Maybe was transported by a huge ship
gilded fossil
/why would a boulder has holes "inside it?
gray bridge
i was about to say "yo what if that's some sorta skull" but i remembered at the insides of the rock sphere thingie
-1739 brain cell moment
gilded fossil
/i wouldn't mind the it's a skull theory lolz
/but then my next question was where were the other bones
gray bridge
it's rock too though, pretty greyish
it reminded me of the wasteland skulls but the holes are way bigger and more for eye shapes, so i guess the rock thing is just
an enigma rn for me rn
gilded fossil
/when i first saw the boulder i thought it was a nursery
/so many little holes, looks like a bee nursery
mild lark
There is lot of butterflies there tho
Is there any kind of reference to krill in this game.. I can't seem to find one
delicate coral
I don’t think so, pretty sure they’re called ‘dark dragons’ officially
Krill is just a fan term I think
lofty hill
Does anyone know why an empty two exit cavern exists in underground caverns??
kind bobcat
The prairie caves?
gilded fossil
/i think they mean the forest caves
kind bobcat
Eh, i rarely go there
gilded fossil
/yea when i farm i always get stuck in the middle and no way to back track lolz
/but like they have those doors where you have to open it, let the other person get through and they keep the door and then you can get through, which is a cool concept i need more of those in the game
delicate coral
There is this thing in there
Which is kind of odd
When you light it it refills your wings at campfire speed from what I can tell
gilded fossil
/i think someone just left campffire there and glitch it through walls tho
/where did you find it?
delicate coral
Nope, it’s there every time
It’s in that area in the forest cave you were just talking about
Where the other person has to hold the door open for you
It’s to the right of the door once you’re inside
compact olive
(Pops in like Kramer)
Whaddai miss?!
Good, I’m.....up to date then
(Exits like Superman)
lofty hill
Yeah
It's possible to get in alone
@short owl
I do that
But it's an empty cave so
I was just wondering if anyone here knew why it existed lol
short owl
Headpat spirit def was in there
And that's when I found out I just HAVE a bell I can't use just whenever
lofty hill
Awwww
gray bridge
i thought the valley spirit for belonging was in the labrinth tho
the one in the temple
short owl
LET ME RING THE BELL 2020
gray bridge
in the current ts cutscene you ring a bell
short owl
Did you complete the ts?
lofty hill
👀
short owl
You ring it for the ts
lofty hill
I don't remember ringing a bell oof
lethal stump
the bell is part of belonging
lofty hill
How do I ring it 👀
gray bridge
yeah grandma questgiver gave it to you, too bad it wasn't an ult gift nor was it attainable at all :(
sweet dirge
Cutscene I think
lethal stump
grandma belonging would give it to you, and you would ring it when you relived the spirits to tell them to go home for dinner
lofty hill
;^;
sweet dirge
dinner
lofty hill
I missed that seasonnn
sweet dirge
Belonging is so wholesome
lethal stump
yes, dinner. that’s why there’s a table in sunny forest
lofty hill
Can't seasons just cycle or return to those who didn't experience them? ;^;
gray bridge
no they can't sadly
short owl
Complete a belonging spirit
lethal stump
- cough *
lore ?
short owl
But I WANNA JUST RING IT WHENEVER
lofty hill
I feel like I missed out on a lot TwT
What was the story of belonging tho?
Was it the sea at isle?
cold dock
the seasons cant return but that's kinda why traveling spirits exist i guess
lethal stump
I think #seasons-events-chat is the place for you, Feather
lofty hill
Alrighty
Sorry I am still not quite familiar with the server ^^'
compact olive
Eye of Eden “Return the light of the fallen”
What’s the general consensus on this meaning?
The sentence Is heavily implying to return something(light) that belonged to a type of thing(fallen)
The task at Eden is to give your collected star/wing light to the stone bodies of winged children
rancid onyx
thing is they cant be more winged children
compact olive
Thus there is a canon name for the stone children at Eden. “The Fallen”
rancid onyx
because by going you’re sacrificing yourself and adding to the pile
compact olive
So you feel after reincarnation that you have somehow become one of the “fallen”?
cold steppe
Ooh we can finally name the statues in Eden something other than the statues in Eden
compact olive
Or the husk you left behind when you die becomes considered “fallen” ?
cold steppe
It seems like we gather corruption as we die
lethal stump
but our bodies disintegrate when we die
compact olive
I’m only asking if Figue thought we somehow become “fallen”
cold steppe
I’m still working on evidence, but I think there’s a connection between the husks, corruption, and the ability to return to the light
compact olive
And trying to help to understand why that was their thought
Maybe they knew something I didn’t
rancid onyx
nah i mean visually
cold steppe
And yes, I think that the split second between us becoming stone and shattering is that we are fallen
rancid onyx
we become statues
i interpreted it as
we die
but we get another go
our bodies stay there dont they
cold steppe
I don’t think so?
compact olive
I could see how you could come to that conclusion Figure... I believe there’s a split second of visuals you might be interested in checking out at the moment of our skykids death.
cold steppe
Other than of course the possible game mechanic of the fallen, their bodies don’t stay there either when they shatter
compact olive
Our bodies actually break apart
cold steppe
You can actually see which ones you missed sometimes in the cutscene
compact olive
At the very last split second before we become the blue light.
compact olive
So this is pretty perplexing
It shouldn’t destroy our theory but help instead to craft it to a new direction, never give up, never surrender! (For Princess Bet!)
delicate coral
I think our answer here may depend on the nature of gathering winged light
When we collect winged light, does it become a part of us, or are we simply gathering it up to transport it?
compact olive
That’s why i said its perplexing
lethal stump
I believe it becomes part of us. It « upgrades » our abilities after all
compact olive
I believe it’s to transport it as the text says
“Return the light”
rancid onyx
why not both?
it becomes a part of us but its with the purpose of taking it out in the end
theres a ripping out kind of animation in eden
compact olive
Like it becomes a part of us and we share it...
rancid onyx
yeah
delicate coral
I think if it becomes part of us, it also implies that the fallen are part of us in some way
lethal stump
we rip our life force out and give it to the fallen
compact olive
Yeah it’s heart breaking, my fist Eden run ever I literally was in snot nosed full on cry mode at how beautiful it was
cold steppe
If we go with the king = us theory, and the winged light are imprints of the child/children of light that are the king, we are basically reabsorbing the king
lethal stump
we’re becoming whole...
cold steppe
Or, as others have said, perhaps the king is the fallen
normal berry
I wanna translate their language so bad
cold steppe
Devs never exactly specified if child/children of the light was plural or singular
compact olive
Here’s where it gets perplexing for me...
the logistics on the visuals and their implication
normal berry
but how does one translate a language with nothing to go off of
anyways dont mind me
compact olive
Wren exactly what you said... there’s more then one (in the title and in the game we pick up over 130 Star children on our way to Eden)
cold steppe
I know there’s far more winged light than statues, but what if the king/child/children of light left their imprints in the world of Sky and that’s why they’re fallen in Eden. They have no light to reconnect with the light in Eden
compact olive
But...
normal berry
wanna hear my reasoning for the ratio of wl to statues?
compact olive
Why are they ALL in Eden ?
delicate coral
I would tend to think that more fallen than wl is game mechanic rather than lore
mild lark
Shiny bois is vibing
lethal stump
hush, everything is lore, Dropman
normal berry
I would tend to think that more fallen than wl is game mechanic rather than lore
its the other way around, and i also agree but i got a lore reason for that
mild lark
I mean game mechanics is kinda related to lore.. light charging wing power and stuff
compact olive
Ri waiting to hear it as I try to ponder the collection at Eden thought process
normal berry
anyways, we know that statues can be destroyed without ever having their light/soul/whatever it is retuned to them. we see this in the second area of eden, before the hallway. we don't know how many statues disappeared before we get there so those extra shinybois could have belonged to a statue before it crumbled and vanished
compact olive
Tooooo fallen to be saved?
normal berry
suppose so
delicate coral
rip to all those wl whose husks got destroyed then I guess?
normal berry
F
mild lark
Also that statue is heavily infested with blue crystal of some kind...
normal berry
d-d-d-d-d--dARRRKDSTOOONE
mild lark
Despite the huge darkstone beside it..
compact olive
Or someone was turning the statue into an art project
normal berry
Despite the huge darkstone beside it..
angry red darkstone
compact olive
“What am I gonna do with all these rocks and Super glue?”
mild lark
Red darkstone be like : I'm angry for no reason
delicate coral
Hm I am still very much confused about the mechanics of what happens in Eden now
cold steppe
In some ways, I think the blue dark stone statue is more of a nod to prelaunch beta than anything else
But also let’s find out why they kept it
normal berry
nah, it just isnt a n g r y
lethal stump
so many nods
mild lark
it sucks light
compact olive
Red darkstone:
Blue darkstone:
cold steppe
Prelaunch beta Eden at one point was blue and when you died you got the blue crystals
normal berry
if you agree with my "outer power diamonds are made of darkstone theory" power diamonds have a bluish tint to them...
mild lark
Also why doesn't that huge darkstone at eden sucks our light? Like it was huugge.. so the radius for it to suck light must be huge as well right?
delicate coral
If we structure it in a timeline, it looks something like this:
We gather light —> give it to the fallen —> our ‘fallen’ husks shatter and we become blue spirits —> the fallen fly to GEPD —> we meet the dark child —> we’re back and we look like the fallen we just saved
How do we go from being a spirit to having a body again?
normal berry
Also why doesn't that huge darkstone at eden sucks our light? Like it was huugge.. so the radius for it to suck light must be huge as well right?
probably because it is sucking orbit's light, so it sorta balances out
mild lark
eden is sucking megabird light all this time?
Always has been
normal berry
How do we go from being a spirit to having a body again?
i guess we are gifted a new body for our efforts, or we still have a job to do so megabird is like "heres this physical form now go back down there"
compact olive
Gepd?
mild lark
Connected and indifferent will form into us..(descendants)
cold steppe
In the concept art at least, megabird gives us life again and yeets us back to the world of Sky
normal berry
and someone is probably going to ask "but Ri, why didn't the fallen skids get a new body" they've been through alot, they deserve a break in orbit
compact olive
Okay... question...
lethal stump
they go to the stars, don’t they ?
normal berry
they go to the stars, don’t they ?
dont we? before returning
lethal stump
no, i mean they become stars, we don’t
normal berry
The fallen...
are the statues aka rocky bois
compact olive
The fallen are being returned “their” light....
mild lark
Also that megabird is bigger than a planet it seems.. at the credit scene at least
normal berry
no, i mean they become stars, we don’t
thats their break. they become stars... as a treat
compact olive
Exactly what Bricky is trying to point out. The fallen are different than us
cold steppe
We can kind of see the fallen flying along with us toward orbit
wispy canopy
Hey guys how've u been
compact olive
They do not get bodies and return to the world. They wave and yeet to join Megabird
cold steppe
TGC ultimately scrapped it, but in prelaunch beta, the fallen had our friends’ names
compact olive
Hey iKing
cold steppe
Hi!
mild lark
Hi king
lethal stump
normal berry
also im going by my headcannon that us and the fallen our the same, when we free them they just return to orbit and stay there, while we are given a new physical form and yeeted back to the ground
hi king!!
lethal stump
do you have a reason why, Ri
delicate coral
But what differentiates us from them
normal berry
do you have a reason why, Ri
because... capes
compact olive
But... there are differences between the sKid and the fallen
tender dune
What i miss
normal berry
stuff
delicate coral
Why are we shepherding them if we’re the same?
mild lark
Hmmm
mild lark
So are you guys saying the spirit are the same as us?
mild lark
Or is it that tiny statue we need to give our light to?
normal berry
Why are we shepherding them if we’re the same?
they're trapped, i suppose someone cant do much when their physical self is stuck as a rock and their spirit self is lost somewhere so they'll just need a homie to help them out
lethal stump
ah
mild lark
That one
normal berry
avatar: the last shiny boi
tender dune
So the fallen is the hugger child? Not the statues we save in stormlock?
tender dune
👌
delicate coral
they're trapped, i suppose someone cant do much when their physical self is stuck as a rock and their spirit self is lost somewhere so they'll just need a homie to help them out
And then why do they go chill in orbit instead of becoming shepherds themselves?
compact olive
The hugger child = (looks around) the king/prince/us?
normal berry
And then why do they go chill in orbit instead of becoming shepherds themselves?
poor kiddos been thu alot give em a break
mild lark
delicate coral
Smh selfish kiddos, the least they could do is pay it forward
normal berry
hjksfdkhljdfhja
mild lark
Well it give us ascended candles tho
rancid onyx
hollow knight 🤝 sky
sacrificing kids for the better good
lethal stump
can i just mention
those kiddos can’t be the king/prince (aka eden elder) because the eden elder can’t be saved
compact olive
Okay but my question is am I missing something about the differences between ourselves (the canon sKid) and the fallen ?
mild lark
so then I can buy resize potion and try my luck to be taller
rancid onyx
is there even an eden elder
normal berry
Okay but my question is am I missing something about the differences between ourselves (the canon sKid) and the fallen ?
there is no confirmation, so it just depends on your own opinion
rancid onyx
the eden door doesnt have an elder face
lethal stump
The eden elder isn’t around to be saved anymore
rancid onyx
it has all of em
mild lark
The king
delicate coral
The Eden elder “isn’t around to be saved”, not “can’t be saved”
compact olive
(Was someone implying that Bricky?)
delicate coral
The king theory says that that means he’s just in a different form now
normal berry
maybe skids
lethal stump
someone mentioned that the statues could be pieces of the king
mild lark
Maybe the king's power is scattered around the sky kingdom and we need to collect them and combine it all together at eden imo
normal berry
someone mentioned that the statues could be pieces of the king
no comrade, WE are the pieces of the king
rancid onyx
honestly i can see that
mild lark
But we are sent by megabird ...
mild lark
ok that's a no then
tender dune
Also i didn't recognize this was smileyface😂
mild lark
Lol
lethal stump
it’s likely we were sent by megabird
but whos to say she didn’t send the king too
mild lark
Got a pew pew thing now lol
King is in the game.. same as other elders but in a way that you dont expect...
Wow what a riddle to solve
normal berry
Wish there was a cooler, more god - like name for megabird nOt megan
delicate coral
I’m still not convinced that the megabird is even an actual sentient deity figure
lethal stump
meghan
delicate coral
I think it’s more just a representation of the rebirth cycle
normal berry
could be too
we are just going off the old concepts as fanon
where megabird was a sentient entity
delicate coral
Yeah ik, I just think that the fact that they chose not to include the megabird as it is in the concepts might mean that they changed their mind on that
mild lark
Megabird is made of maybe thousand of creature of light acting like a hive mind
tender dune
Sry if i interrupt you guys but anyone wonder why us as skids are shown like that in the intro video??
delicate coral
Where the megabird would be in the concepts, sweeping us up in orbit, there’s now the big ball of light that we go into with the rebirth door
tender dune
I mean, if it was a cape why is it upside down?
normal berry
its supposed to be winged light i think
mild lark
Look like the winged light icon
tender dune
megabirb icon?
normal berry
@mild lark maybe, their end credits appearance seems so support that theory
mild lark
Yes
normal berry
also megabird looks like a nebula aka where stars are born
tender dune
I know its enchantment icon ri but it also looks like megabirb if you see the end credit megabirb
lethal stump
devs said the icon could represent more than one thing
mild lark
For me it looks like a supernova
tender dune
normal berry
enchantment spirits are megabird worshippers
mild lark
where stars died
compact olive
This is what I’ve got, someone (anyone) please correct me or add if you can...
sKid
-can absorb 130 winged light, but can only turn to Star child with glow spell or once merrr....uh made whole with hugger child of light.
-has cape
-is childlike
-has cosmetics (canon cosmetics) when in child of light (hugger child whole) form
-physical form dissipates once drained of all light in Eden
-can be reincarnated with new physical form in sky world once in orbit
The Fallen
-only needs to absorb 1 winged light to turn to Star child with cape
-has cape
-is childlike
-has no cosmetics (canon cosmetics) when in child of light (saved form)
-physical form dissipates once given a light in Eden
-cannot be reincarnated with new physical form in sky world once in orbit, goes to Megabird
normal berry
For me it looks like a supernova
ah, i see you are a man of culture as well
mild lark
Throughout the world there are these imprints this child of light, a character you are connected to and have a relationship with”
Copy and paste from the canon doc..
Have a relationship with
normal berry
It would be cool if there was an algoritm for giving the fallen cosmetics in their saved form
compact olive
Who said that? (What you talking about Willis?) Smiley?!
normal berry
yknow IF they are also skids
mild lark
Idk I just straight up copy and paste oz
lethal stump
their capes are interesting
they don’t have cuts along the bottom like default cape
it’s just smooth
compact olive
I need context!!
tender dune
Throughout the world there are these imprints this child of light, a character you are connected to and have a relationship with”
Copy and paste from the canon doc..
I guess those are the winged lights
lethal stump
read the canon doc, Oz, it’s right there
mild lark
You need to read the canon doc
tender dune
👌
compact olive
I’m lazy... 
normal berry
their capes are interesting
they don’t have cuts along the bottom like default cape
perhaps they are a different species and their default form is different then our "moth" form
mild lark
The links is in the pins..
compact olive
I have that pin saved in my files
normal berry
or just an older race of skids
compact olive
I’m just too lazy to switch programs and skim through it
I have a theory on that Ri you might be interested in
lethal stump
reference for the convo
compact olive
There’s a tomcept that shows blue children who had antenna...and if you go to your home space...those children or sKids drawn in your closet...they have antenna and the same hair style as the tomcept of these blue alien looking children
It’s entirely a crack pot theory but maybe “the fallen” in Eden were these pre-sKid kids ?
short owl
Maybe the problem is that despite giving them light, we are still strangers, so cosmetics don't show?
tender dune
Me rebirthing (rough cape) and the smooth cape children
normal berry
Maybe the problem is that despite giving them light, we are still strangers, so cosmetics don't show?
true true
I like your theory oz
compact olive
It’s a back pocket concept noticed a looong time ago. Fuels my “I’m not saying it’s aliens....but it’s aliens....” crack pot theory
normal berry
also in the old version of sky the fallen would have your friend's names
compact olive
The tomcept only confirmed it recently for me
That’s what wren was saying
Place holder concept
normal berry
but they removed it (i believe) because the names would overlap with names of friends that were currently with you in eden, causing confusion
tender dune
Makes sense..
compact olive
Okay.. so the fallen are or are not different from our sKid ?
Cause evidence is overwhelmingly pointing at not (to me anyway)
lethal stump
it’s all ✨speculation✨
compact olive
But is the evidence swaying in either direction?
normal berry
although i still vote they are, null brought up a good point to
tender dune
Wait. Did the winged lights have capes?
tender dune
And how many winged lights are there and how many fallen are there?
(Not counting ts)
normal berry
lot more wl than fallen
tender dune
Or the season ones
compact olive
130+ uh...so.... like... 50 ?
tender dune
mkay
tender dune
I was thinking maybe the wl we meet in the worlds (not the ones that showed up in the seaons) are the ones in stormlock
compact olive
Throughout the world there are these imprints this child of light, a character you are connected to and have a relationship with”
Copy and paste from the canon doc..
@mild lark smiley brought this up and it’s...canon...
normal berry
there are 88
compact olive
So....
lethal stump
63
compact olive
This cannot be understated...
the devs confirmed there is only ONE child of light our sKid connects with
normal berry
I was close
little elbow
I thought the statues in eden were previous skykids who sacrificed their light so they’re like empty shells of us? Kinda
compact olive
There is not 88 shinie bois?!
lethal stump
theres 88 WL, 63 statues
tender dune
compact olive
I currently have 127 wing things
compact olive
Oh wait
normal berry
we are.. the KING
compact olive
You’re right
I was cheating because of the unlocks at orbit
Sorry sorry for the confusion. Continue
normal berry
compact olive
But the devs confirmed its ONE “character”
compact olive
So are the 63/64 statues like a game mechanic that is not part of the story? Like the way we see that there are not 1 million sKids in canon ? Maybe there’s only one fallen statue ?
tender dune
(The mystery body?)
compact olive
Which is it? One or more?
compact olive
I would argue that if a TGC employee who, let’s say... scrubbed a toilet for his job, said there’s one child in public, and then the CEO said there was more than one...we would safely assume that the janitor misspoke?
Or does anything a developer says regardless of station/status in the company automatically become the same as anything else previously stated by a dev even if it contradicts?
lethal stump
thats...a false equivalency
tender dune
lethal stump
these aren’t cleaning people talking on the streams and in chat
they’re devs, a team (a small one at that) and most of them likely have an idea of the story
they all have access to the game and to the lore
if there’s a discrepancy, there’s likely a lore reason
mild lark
Yeah
normal berry
didnt ktjn said the lore is purposely vague so we can each make our own lore?
compact olive
That sounds like “god works in mysterious ways” type of answer to me.
And vague is definitely true as it’s not spelled out. Lore crafting is fun.
But... isn’t there a canon doc for a reason?
mild lark
But the most logical theories are more than welcome
normal berry
Some lore is confirmed, some isnt
normal berry
and i dont believe it was ever confirmed if there was one skid or many, unless wrong and never heard about this
lethal stump
i know in the concepts there tends to be 4 skids
compact olive
But I just heard that two developers said it was both
mild lark
Hey can I ask.. do any of you guy found any reference for krill in this game? I can't seem to find one
lethal stump
wdym smiley ?
tender dune
I think its mostly fanmade research smiley
normal berry
But I just heard that two developers said it was both
where did you hear about this?
mild lark
We sea boat drawing in the walls
compact olive
Smiley posted something from a dev quote from the canon docs and Bricky contradicted it with a memory of something from the devs
lethal stump
it’s not a memory
compact olive
Do you see my confusion Ri?
compact olive
Well you didn’t link it or quote it
cold steppe
the devs have used both singular child of light and plural children of light in different livestreams, for example
normal berry
yes, im confused as well, which is why i would like to see what the devs said
compact olive
But I believe you when you say it’s from the devs
mild lark
Yeah there is child of light and Children of light ....
Both are are confusing.. forgot to copy Taht as well
cold steppe
Hage and Mochi have been kind enough to compile and translate several livestreams with the devs in the canon lore doc
compact olive
No need to grab Bricky
lethal stump
“You’ll find imprints of the Children of Light” -talking about winged light (note: later in the same context the say Child of Light singular)
normal berry
ah, so they are referring to the CoL, not the skykids
compact olive
I trust you wouldn’t lead us astray that’s why I said “memory of something from the devs”
tender dune
mild lark
Why so quiet all of sudden loo
compact olive
Because I just heard something interesting from Wren
tender dune
vital glade
Krill
cold steppe
what
tender dune
What about krill?
normal berry
Maybe some lore is truly up to interpretation
cold steppe
Ktjn said that they left it intentionally vague
mild lark
It like a clean drawing board for us to draw and have fun
compact olive
I generally didn’t go through the canon docs links and writings looking for names or who wrote or said what. (That’s why I’m often confused) it’s a lot to go through... but Wren just said that two lore hunters...who may have head-canons have translated developer quotes.
normal berry
I know, im just saying some lore they probably have a cannon answer (to develop the story) and some they just decided to leave in the grey
such as this
lethal stump
and it’s a quick read
cold steppe
the last page or so is some of Hage's observations, but Hage marks everything clearly
lethal stump
mostly short quotes
wispy canopy
Hey guys I was busy what happened
normal berry
l o r e
tender dune
A lot infinity
cold steppe
the Great Lore Debate
compact olive
When I say canon lore docs I refer to everything In The pins . Sorry for the confusion
normal berry
also i suspect anther lore war will happen
cold steppe
oh, the pins aren't all canon
lethal stump
not all the pins are canon
cold steppe
there's only one lore doc, and the rest are either concept art or prelaunch beta info
and also a few posts of cutscenes
lethal stump
or the * shivers * theory doc
wispy canopy
Okay whats the debate
cold steppe
the debate is "is there an actual official canon for the story of Sky"
Ktjn is implying, if not outright stating, that the answer is no
compact olive
But there’s good stuff in there like collections of info from in game that add to the lore hunt. So I’ll stop calling it “canon” to avoid confusion and just call it the pins.
tender dune
^^ what wren said
wispy canopy
By the looks of it, the theories are evr changing, we can only canon the existence of the king and that we are stars like the elders
normal berry
i also second wren's statement
wispy canopy
We can nvr be sure
compact olive
But what you’re saying is the conversations had at live streams in the pins were translated by people in this chat?
wispy canopy
The update also changes some things
lethal stump
yes, they were translated by people in chat who understood japanese
normal berry
I just think it is good so let some people have their own headcannons
compact olive
I in no way would ever take the lore hunt from anyone.
cold steppe
I think that TGC has a rough outline of canon, but intentionally left many things vague to let players interpret the game for themselves
compact olive
My goal is to create the best back story based on the most compelling evidence for the story.
normal berry
Me neither, (although sometimes ill admit i get over protective of my headcannons)
lethal stump
i think we all do
tender dune
Mhm
wispy canopy
Personally I'm on the fence on this but seeing according to the concepts and sky now, it's most possible there is no Canon story except for the simple base understanding
We help, save spirits, die live again, save, upgrade, have fun, peace, have fun, discover
compact olive
Hmm... I feel like this fits into an “inaction equals action” sort of deal for me as far as there being a story
wispy canopy
Do we all agree there is a story that we all roughly understand but not specifically no the detailed case and story
I just wanna check
cold steppe
yeah, pretty much
normal berry
Yep
compact olive
I don’t personally believe that.
There was an entire timeline drawn and written by a previous dev.
I feel there was a direction to the story and the game was built around it, however, there are gaps and that things were left out or made vague to allow for interpretation.
But at the hearts there’s still some type of story there
lethal stump
that timeline is old, it’s not canon anymore if that’s what you’re implying
wispy canopy
I see
compact olive
Canon, Bricky, is whatever made it into the game that can be confirmed or proven beyond a reasonable doubt (logically) ...I believe that’s what someone had said when I first got to this chat.