For all we know, the narrator could be your character, grown up and telling the story to his kids
#lore-discussion-spoilers
sturdy condor
cold steppe
why would it be us though?
round musk
Eden Elder=Child of Light=Winged Light=Skykid Souls
humble barn
The narrator is the mother of light
cold steppe
the narrator says "wake up child," referring to us
also, that would bring up somewhat uncomfortable questions about if and how skykids reproduce
so we are moving on
humble barn
the original soul broke into pieces
sturdy condor
The concept art timeline said that the megabird sent the skykids
cold steppe
I personally hold to that theory
humble barn
I don't think skykids reproduce, but intead there are many dormant larvae of skykids (broken pieces of Eden elder souls) which wakes up when someone starts the game
sturdy condor
So what if they are the narrator
round musk
I think the concept of the megabird got changed to what is now referred to as "the light"
cold steppe
but there's a lot of uncertainty with things like the megabird, prince/king, and eden elder
hushed steeple
from the pinned lore
Winged light: “Throughout the world there are these imprints this child of light, a character you are connected to and have a relationship with” frequently called shiny bois by devs and in one later livestream “shiny bois” is referred to as something they should maybe not say while streaming, spoiler maybe?
@cold steppe What did they refer to them as?
cold steppe
shiny bois
graceful sail
s h i n y
cold steppe
as to what they were referring to, it's unknown
hushed steeple
No u said shiny boos were referred to something that they maybe shouldn’t of said spoiler maybe
round musk
Skykid sooouuuls
humble barn
in another video they said the winged lights are imprints of children of light (us)
round musk
BECAUSE THEYRE THE SAME THING
humble barn
yeah
round musk
It all makes sense
hushed steeple
EEP MY BRAINS EXPLODING
humble barn
A random thing but I think they probably scrapped the name "megabird" since it's funny
or rather, decided not to use the name in game
round musk
I think what used to be called the megabird is now just the big ball of light we fly towards in orbit
Referred to in-game as "the light"
cold steppe
I did a theory of megabird a while back
round musk
This is what elders, skykids, spirits (according to my theory), and light creatures are born from
hushed steeple
Y’all think it might be called the mega bird cause it looks like a herd of mantas? Lol
Ik their not bird btw just saying they fly
cold steppe
In the concepts, megabird was the origin of all of them
It’s unknown if that’s still true
round musk
Children of light are so-named because they were born from the light
What used to be called the megabird is now just the light
hushed steeple
Ok sorry then I’m probably annoying y’all
round musk
Nah I'm the one being annoying
hushed steeple
Naw
normal berry
look at this island i can see from home, i cant believe it took me this long to notice it
humble barn
nono, you are not. Sorry if I sounded blunt, English is my second language and I tend to be blunt
normal berry
but what is it?
hushed steeple
Oh no I just know I’m annoying Xd
humble barn
it's where the opening cutscene takes place
normal berry
ooh
hushed steeple
I wish home had more to it even tho it’s not meant to be anything really
normal berry
like little personal islands 
hushed steeple
Ha yeah
sturdy condor
What did I miss, I was looking through the lore vault
normal berry
probably unlikely, but still would be cute
humble barn
What did I miss, I was looking through the lore vault
@sturdy condor I decided to call the megabird the mother of light from now on or maybe not
sturdy condor
Aight
round musk
If motherbird is the mom of the children of light, then that means the motherbird is just "the light"
humble barn
ah you are right! The mother of light makes her a grandma😂
round musk
I don't know where to put my skykids=eden elder theory in the vault - it doesn't just fit in one section lol
spring blaze
the intro never said anything about a family
cold steppe
The intro dialogue is in the pins
There’s no mention of a family
The “our” is referring to something different
empty veldt
Oh yeah it could be the corrupt version of forest
sly kestrel
They are both Factories
Not necessarily the same place but the same building architecture
near garnet
And also, the elder of the hidden forest are some kind of a blakcsmith while the elder of wasteland are a soldier
sly kestrel
Ye
jagged basalt
Hey what’s at the end is Eden? Is there like anything you can do after collecting all statues?
Or do you just die?
Hey cambion nerd wassup
jagged basalt
So there isn’t anything except statues and death?
That sentence does not look fit for a game like sky does it😂
cold steppe
the realms represent the stages of life, with Isle being birth and Eden being death
hushed sable
I was just thinking about the temple at the end of the forest
Are there any other cases of areas resembling things in other areas?
sly kestrel
Nope not rlly
They jus happened to both be factories
Also temples aren’t rlly temples at all
They are jus buildings that are important to that specific elder
steep coyote
Plus have ya'll ever think about why the name "Eden" was choosen? Eden was mentioned for the first time in the bible to be a beautiful place, where Adam and Eve could live at peace and ease. But when they committed the first sin, they were sent away from it. What if ThatGameCompany wanted to make Eden as a very corrupted place to give us a warning? It's like they are saying "our future might end like this, but you (us players) can change it if you want"
sly kestrel
Hmm never thought of it like that
But in my view, eden was greatly known for, like u said the first sin
I believe a similar event happened in eden which caused the downfall of everything.
steep coyote
Exactly
sly kestrel
Also I heard tgc hint a lot of times about the original sin
cold steppe
yeah, it's mentioned a lot in livestreams
hushed sable
Eden is basically a name for the place of the beginning-- so if eden in sky is the place of death, death represents a new beginning. There's a lot of talk of rebirth at the end of the game too
sly kestrel
See that’s what I’m confused about, eden was something that happened in the beginning yet in sky, eden seems to be to end
cold steppe
in a way, if you want to extend the Eden parallels, there's something interesting
sly kestrel
Although it is important to note that they aren’t going to reference every single fact of the garden of Eden into the sky story
cold steppe
Adam and Eve were sent from the Garden of Eden so they wouldn't eat from the Tree of Life and gain immortality in their sinful condition
well yeah
we're going into Eden
and then we get reborn and become more powerful through wing buffs
idk, just thought it was interesting
hushed sable
It is,
steep coyote
Off Topic: meanwhile me, mentioning Adam and Eve and casually thinking of the dudes from Nier Automata
hushed sable
I can't think of any other biblical references shown in sky - atleast not explicit ones
sly kestrel
I think the “eden” reference is jus for the part where they did something incredibly wrong, hence the “original sin”
The other parts of the Adam and Eve story are left out
cold steppe
that makes sense
hushed sable
Wait the Ark
sly kestrel
I believe they jus used the word “ark” to describe the enormous boat that the scholars used
sly kestrel
There wasn’t any animal saving and there wasn’t any flood
hushed sable
A lot of deserts used to be seas at some point
sly kestrel
Also I’m pretty sure they used other religion references
hushed sable
The arc was also used to carry the last of the righteous, according to the bible
steep coyote
There's nothing here, only broken boats and just 3 spirits. Kinda resemble how Adam and Eve had to survive without having anything
sly kestrel
Ark*
hushed sable
Any thoughts on the sea theme of a lot of the creatures?
Mantas, jellyfish, crabs, the krill...
sly kestrel
They jus liked the flowy feel of sea creatures and it was a lot easier to animate
hushed sable
Probably lol
sly kestrel
That’s what they said
steep coyote
The mantas sounds especially the big ones at Praire are beautiful, I can stay all day there listening
hushed sable
The creature in sky are all so pretty
They really put a lot of thought into how each one would interact with the environment and the player
sly kestrel
leaden sinew
I wonder if there was a seventh elder
sly kestrel
I like ur pfp
leaden sinew
Why thank you, I keep the beak extra polished
lethal stump
@leaden sinew there was a proposed seventh elder but they never made it to the endgame
lethal stump
tbh i hope the prince becomes real
leaden sinew
The what
tranquil thicket
oh eden talk nice
lethal stump
the prince
from the artwork it looked like he was supposed to be the seventh elder
leaden sinew
What realm was he supposed to have
tranquil thicket
I do think it hearkens back primarily to the 'a sin was committed' portion of it - hence the japanese name of original sin. but it also is supposed to invoke a sense of horror i think becasue you think eden will be a nice place and you get hit with... that
constant magma, constant stones falling, death
just a raging storm
and also that as a result it's supposed to suggest that because of this sin all of the society you have been exploring - albeit after its demise - fell
leaden sinew
@lethal stump
lethal stump
first picture: little dude beside player character
second: the king, massive guy at the end
these were proposed eden elders, The Prince and The King
leaden sinew
I thought the king was a villain
lethal stump
also eden was at one point meant to be a fight against the king
leaden sinew
Those character models sure look different
sly kestrel
At some point the prince became the king and at some other point the prince helped u with the journey and was a separate person
Lots of concepts passed by
lethal stump
yeah
you can kinda pick and chose which seems coolest, at least, that’s what i do
i dont lore as much as i storytell
leaden sinew
I’m sorta glad they scrapped the king fighting thing
Having newborns fight something so powerful doesn’t make any sense
cold steppe
also it would have murdered mobile devices
leaden sinew
Lol true
lethal stump
yeah
sly kestrel
Well we weren’t gonna fight him at all, it’s not our nature
cold steppe
the king was going to fight the prince
sly kestrel
He was gonna try and kill us while we are trying to save him with our light
Skykids fighting was never a thing
lethal stump
asriel dreamurr energy
cold steppe
there were a lot of concepts
leaden sinew
Smh
We should learn a thing or two from wasteland elder
cold steppe
now there's no fighting except against the inevitability of death
sly kestrel
there was one where floating masks would stare at you in the clouds and follow you 👀
cold steppe
what
leaden sinew
What are the chances of a full blow Halloween season this year
cold steppe
tbh, probably 0
lethal stump
however the devs feel tbh
tranquil thicket
dang, they had krill on the roof?!
cold steppe
as seasons are about 2 months
lethal stump
was the krill dangerous ?? or passive
cold steppe
and TGC tends to not want to put irl stuff into the game
they just have special holiday events
sly kestrel
Everything was red too
lethal stump
cweepy
leaden sinew
One could argue season of Belonging was Christmas season
cold steppe
as a moth, it was terrifying
sly kestrel
Andy they were being nice and had a bunch of dark plants in the office enough to forge a whole candle
cold steppe
it kind of was like Christmas, but also kind of wasn't
random dome
Real quick, can someone just explain the Eden elder theory? I've gotten a few bits of it but not the whole thing
cold steppe
season of Belonging was more about family than holidays
sly kestrel
It’s not rlly a theory
leaden sinew
Yea
lethal stump
it was a buncha concepts
random dome
Idea/concept then?
sly kestrel
It’s jus some thing that ppl put in their theories
lethal stump
there’s many
tranquil thicket
eden elder was a concept early in development
lethal stump
what if we’re the eden elder
sly kestrel
But overall, there is no confirmation if the prince/king/Eden elder is in game
cold steppe
the devs have said that the eden elder is no longer available to be saved
leaden sinew
Maybe they could do something similar with Halloween @cold steppe
tranquil thicket
which is itself a kind of interesting way to put things
lethal stump
wdym saved ?
tranquil thicket
indeed
lethal stump
do you mean used ?
tranquil thicket
what does that mean, that the elder is no longer available to be saved?
cold steppe
Livestream 7:
"The Eden elder isn’t around to be saved anymore"
from the canon google doc in the pins
tranquil thicket
i mean for the other elders you give them your light to 'save' them. they're still there but kind of languishing (except valley elders maybe are just bored, who knows)
sly kestrel
Well those weren’t the exact words
tranquil thicket
so what does it mean for an elder to be just gone
fading bear
Maybe the Eden elder was completely consumed by darkness and has decayed over time
cold steppe
REIKAAAA
sly kestrel
Oh wait, we already have
lethal stump
reika ?
tranquil thicket
why would they actually answer your questions
cold steppe
because they do?
tranquil thicket
on a discord server of this many people?
leaden sinew
It’s a very sky thing to do
tranquil thicket
i can't imagine they would see people's questions
cold steppe
if a dev is in chat here, they often answer questions
leaden sinew
lethal stump
Ktjn is pretty active on questions and help uwu
cold steppe
they don't see all the questions, but if someone asks them a question and they're actively in chat, they respond
Ash is in general a lot
leaden sinew
Any guesses bout what the next season could be about
tranquil thicket
also @ jay
don't be snarky. give information that you have or don't say anything at all
sly kestrel
Sometimes they answer in riddles sometimes they choose not to answer and sometimes they jus read and ignore
tranquil thicket
not everyone is here for everything much less lore discussions dating back forever. if there isn't anything in the pins don't expect people to know it
oh he's living his best life
lethal stump
king is bowser
cold steppe
@lethal stump beta content should not be discussed in the lore channel (or any live channel) until the content hits live
lethal stump
oki
pastel brookBOT
@leaden sinew, please don't discuss hacked or leaked game content in this server
cold steppe
the search function is really useful to find info about theories that have been discussed already
sly kestrel
don't be snarky. give information that you have or don't say anything at all
@tranquil thicketbruh what are u talking about
wraith wigeon
Skybruh always watching
tranquil thicket
"Yk what
How about we jus ASK REIKA
Oh wait, we already have"
leaden sinew
XDD
tranquil thicket
it's not cute
cold steppe
yeah, they were looking for the picture
tranquil thicket
skybruh is watching 👁️
sly kestrel
Who said I was being cute
wraith wigeon
Me
sly kestrel
😮
tranquil thicket
🤔
wraith wigeon
cold steppe
instead of typing what Reika said, Jay provided a screenshot
leaden sinew
tranquil thicket
yes. however. jay could simply have provided a screenshot instead of going "oh hey but what if! OH JK WE ALREADY DID"
perhaps this is a difference in expectations
cold steppe
as the person who Jay was probably directing the comment to, I didn't feel offended
tranquil thicket
however, it's colored by the fact that I frequently see people in here talk down to people who may not be as caught up on lore discussions
cold steppe
anyway
tranquil thicket
and I don't believe that's a good attitude to have. anyways, moving on
sly kestrel
U wanna talk about attitude yet u literally jus went off on me when I jus said that I already asked
tranquil thicket
yes, I do want to talk about atittude. I apologize for misreading what your intention was
sly kestrel
Good
tranquil thicket
That was not cool of me and I admit it. However I do stand by what I say
Wren this is a general observation
hmm. it's more like... I see people doing this a lot and I think it's something that should be mentioned
cold steppe
the thing is, that a lot of people in this channel have answered the same questions over and over. using the search function would cut out a lot of the questions
leaden sinew
That sky bruh where you at
tranquil thicket
indeed, but there are ways to direct people to it that are polite and ways to direct people to it that are not
hmm.
cold steppe
for example, jay was copying and pasting their one theory 50+ times for people because they kept asking
tranquil thicket
specifically there was one instance I saw a few days ago, actually, which is what is on my mind
where someone absolutely refused to do anything but condescend to someone else - no providing any other evidence to the contrary
certainly in that case I think it's fine to ask people to search it up. but again, I think that the way you say it matters
cold steppe
it does, but there's also some nuance that's lost in text replies that may not have been intended
some people are using English as not their first language and may come off blunter than expected
tranquil thicket
that is true as well
leaden sinew
tranquil thicket
there's unfortunately a lot that gets lost in text
leaden sinew
I feel like I’m watching sky elders fighting
cold steppe
speaking of, it's canon that the sky elders knew each other before they fell
I wonder if they ever fought
leaden sinew
tranquil thicket
do we know why exactly they fell?
lethal stump
imagine baby elders
tranquil thicket
I don't recall reading anything about it
cold steppe
it probably had something to do with the power diamonds
leaden sinew
@lethal stump that’s chibis
cold steppe
the canon lore google doc has a lot of info
lethal stump
im doing baby elders, no one can stop me
tranquil thicket
the power diamonds seemed to be a post-fact thing to me
cold steppe
including the power diamonds causing the destruction of the civilization and that the elders knew each other
tranquil thicket
given that they established these societies in the clouds, and the power diamonds were used there
cold steppe
but yeah, it's unclear exactly why they fell
I do have to say that the intro cutscene says "but they didn't listen"
which could imply that they repeated the mistakes that caused them to fall
cold steppe
it's in the pins
leaden sinew
The probably fell because they were tired of standing all day
restive pawn
leaden sinew
woven tundra
lethal stump
hey guys i have a random theory, what if the elders represent the seven deadly sins ? with whatever the eden elder (?) representing being the original sin
they all fell because of what they did, representing whatever sin they are
(idk what sin corresponds to each, im just thinking random thoughts here lol)
tranquil thicket
hmm. a the beginning it says "darkness came and the stars fell", and the "if only they had listened" comes after
interesting
leaden sinew
I wonder if isle elder represents lust
tranquil thicket
yeah, but the darkness coming first is an interesting thing
lethal stump
hes an old man
tranquil thicket
bruh don't make me think about that
leaden sinew
Exactly-
tranquil thicket
if isle elder represents anything, why would it be lust?
lethal stump
nice grandpa..............nice grandpa 
?
cold steppe
power diamonds used to be/still are referred to as darkstone
if anything, isle might be sloth
leaden sinew
Do you have a better lust candidate-
lethal stump
me neither
considering this is a kid’s game....
what’s a less sexual way to portray lust ?
cold steppe
there isn't
lethal stump
yeah true
cold steppe
there really isn't
leaden sinew
Hey you’re the one who brought up that theory
It’s not my fault 
tranquil thicket
lust for anything that isn't sexual
random dome
Valley? Lust for being the winner?
tranquil thicket
🤔 not quite, I don't think - greed is monetary primarily
lethal stump
i think forest could be wrath
forest mama seems angy
cold steppe
or wasteland
tranquil thicket
why am I getting pheonix wright flashbacks right now? hmm
leaden sinew
There aren’t even 7 elders tho
cold steppe
pride, greed, wrath, envy, lust, gluttony, and sloth are the seven deadly sins
there's technically 7 if you count the twins separately
but they are counted as one
tranquil thicket
I don't believe that they would all match up to the seven deadly sins anyways, though
lethal stump
gluttony is eden, imo, representing the original sin (eating the apple)
tranquil thicket
they may be twins but they are presented together - one divided statue, one temple, one zone
cold steppe
tbh, the original sin was pretty much pride
trying to be like God
leaden sinew
Eden could also represent 2020 who knows
cold steppe
also lying
tranquil thicket
can original sin be considered to be any of them if they were supposed to be sinless beforehand?
if anything, surely it is curiosity as a sin
then again this has nothing to do with sky. just a question
lethal stump
idk, i’m not religious
tranquil thicket
eden is probably a pretty good representation of 2020 tbh
lethal stump
i don’t know much abt it
cold steppe
in Genesis, the sin was disobeying God's direct command to not eat the fruit from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil
leaden sinew
Yessss ikr
tranquil thicket
yes.. but what does that fall under, technically?
lethal stump
tree of knowledge ?
...
v a u l t o f k n o w l e d g e
cold steppe
there's a lot more involved about what sin means as well. I believe the original Hebrew word means missing the mark
tranquil thicket
well, vault is the last step before eden 🤔
cold steppe
but I digress
tranquil thicket
oh, that's very interesting, actually
leaden sinew
I wonder if rock rain will fall soon
2020 ain’t over yet
tranquil thicket
we've still got half a year folks
cold steppe
I think the Vault of Knowledge is more to describe what it actually is
lethal stump
we’re only at the krillzone
cold steppe
a place to store knowledge
leaden sinew
We’re probably just halfway through the doorway lol
tranquil thicket
I think the progression of zones is pretty interesting. there's the whole life-course thing of course, but it's interesting that we have to pass through that barren battlefield between a vibrant city and the vault
lethal stump
you mean realms ?
tranquil thicket
yea the places you go
raven pollen
It might be passage of time-
cold steppe
oh, the places we go
tranquil thicket
indeed, the places you go!
raven pollen
Like maybe all/some of the realms are the same place at different times
tranquil thicket
I'm not sure about that, especially given that the wasteland description is "beyond the barren wastes the vault of knowledge awaits"
which seems to physically locate them in the same time but different places
cold steppe
I'm pretty sure they're separate places
raven pollen
The broken temple in wasteland looks a lot like the forest temple
cold steppe
like they're in the same world, but different areas
yeah, that ties into the diamond press theory
let me go find the short version
tranquil thicket
it does look a lot like the forest temple - just much bigger and broken down
it's got the same machinery and the same rotating hinges (though the doors have fallen off)
cold steppe
actually I'll summarize
raven pollen
That's kinda what got me thinking about the "different times" thing
cold steppe
basically, the theory is that Sky was involved in making power diamonds, the diamonds that power the machinery. The spirits cannot fly, so they used flying boats, for example
cold steppe
one of the current veins of thinking is that Prairie provides the raw material, Forest starts processing it, Vault isn't really known, and Wasteland either continues processing and/or finishes it
something like that
tranquil thicket
they have capes but we never actually see them using it
in the spirit memories, we always see people physically climbing (stance on top of ice rink) or using boats
cold steppe
Vault just stored knowledge
raven pollen
Why would they have capes then :/?
tranquil thicket
perhaps it was simply a cape
cold steppe
it's confirmed that spirits and skykids aren't the same species
because capes are cool??
tranquil thicket
i mean i dunno about you but i have a cape
raven pollen
I mean true lol
cold steppe
I wish I had a cape
tranquil thicket
capes are indeed cool and stylish
cold steppe
why did they go out of style
tranquil thicket
i made mine for a costume lol
cold steppe
anyway
tranquil thicket
because we can't have nice things, unfortunately
but yes
there are some things that are set up so you have to fly, but those could probably have been traversed by the flying arks they had
raven pollen
Maybe the spirits used to be able to fly
tranquil thicket
and if everyone could fly, the little bridges in the ice rink at the top and in the forest in that cave would probably not have been necessary
that's a possibility. what do you think would have made them lose that ability?
raven pollen
I guess the whole "coming of darkness"
Like we do have to free them from statue things
So maybe they lost their wings cause they got krilled-
And those that managed to not lose all of it have very little cape power
So they don't really fly-
Hmm
lethal stump
going back to the sins theory can we yeet lust and replace it with original sin ?
yes we can cause this is my doopid little headcanon and that is EXACTLY what i’m gonna do
wind bone
Original sin is already canon eden is literally called original sin in Japanese
And eden in English is referring to the garden of eden
lethal stump
yes i know
i mentioned an idea where the realms/elders each represent a deadly sin, however since this is a kids game there was no good place to put lust so i decided to yeet lust so there’s 6 sins now
raven pollen
You could have lust be a more "lust for power" type thing
normal berry
so someone was asking a while back what was the significance of the seven realms and seven (without wing buffs) wings, etc. seven is a very prominent number in many religions (the best known is the seven sins and the seven virtues) and some more common examples like seven days in the week. seven is also seen in greek mythology (It was a sacred number to apollo and im too lazy for more examples) so the reason sky references the number seven is just religious inspiration imo
lethal stump
well sky is pretty influenced by religion, to the point they have a realm called « Eden »
it’s likely you can use some religious stuff to figure out the lore imo
spring blaze
sky was inspired by a lot of religious and cultural stuff
sly kestrel
yes
heady sinew
The number seven means good luck in some countries. I also learned it means bad luck in China thanks to a book
shut pike
no no it’s okay
i’m reading as your typing it’s a nice theory and i’m enjoying it lmao
tranquil thicket
i think a lot of people like to wait til people are done typing out theories first
shut pike
please
lol it’s okay
as you should be this is a long theory
why is there a crazy man living with crabs in ark
yeah lmao
i dont understand the wall markings
lmaooo
wait fr
finite vine
warm bluff
What would the golden wasteland look like before it was ruined???
Wait
The krill were probably kind and the crabs would've probably been cuddlebugs
But then that factory in the distance ruined it all by pollution
That building in the keft side of the first area of GW
I didn't think much of the building when I was first there, in fact im pretty sure I didn't notice it
cold steppe
out of curiosity, why don't you think there was a factory?
vague plover
I was reading something talked about before and wanted to add my own two cents on it. I do believe that if someone new has come in to the lore channel and you dont want to repeat some things- please politely guide them to the pins or the search bar.
sly kestrel
celest spoke
Odd little observation: the lanterns at cry spirit’s cave have octagonal openings instead of diamond-shaped like all the others I’d noticed in that area of Forest, though I haven’t done a comprehensive survey
vague plover
Oh interesting!!
unborn fog
maybe erosion? like cause it was so old and there was a lot of rain it like eroded a bunch?
woeful dune
- Why would you take the time to notice that? 2. It might not be on purpose
cold steppe
I wonder if it tied into the two shields theory at all
or if it's just a random design choice
unborn fog
erosion
wait are there lamps in wasteland?
also kal every theory here is valid if it has proof to back it up!
vague plover
I think yes
unborn fog
what was that becan? 
vague plover
if your going mind if I go with you? I'm so bored HQKEKKFKSKE
unborn fog
lol sure i m doing vault rn but just dm me a qr ig lol
vague plover
Okay!!
barren pier
sly kestrel
That
Is an old quest from pre launch beta
Apparently it still works but back then there were these quests where you would pick up this these lights and once u got them all, u would be rewarded with a candle
Lore wise, that isn’t relevant
near garnet
So is similar to the mushrooms ?
sly kestrel
No the mushrooms jus gave you a free candle but these light quests u needed to pick up and chase every single light before getting a candle
Go on YouTube and look up sky light awaits and you will see these quests in action
vague plover
I keep thinking about this so I'm just gonna ask, you know those stacked rock slabs in front of some doors in the forest? Was that actually a way they counted deaths there or was that not a canon answer. (I was looking through the search bar and found that quote)
uncut bone
Odd little observation: the lanterns at cry spirit’s cave have octagonal openings instead of diamond-shaped like all the others I’d noticed in that area of Forest, though I haven’t done a comprehensive survey
@celest spoke To add onto that, I think that the crying spirit might be a rebel. They might have saw what the diamonds do (maybe it killed her friends somehow) and decided to silently rebel against it.
uncut bone
Oh?
vague plover
Oh cool!
uncut bone
Let’s see it
unborn fog
aslkdfjaskjdlkfal i have to email it from my tablet
vague plover
unborn fog
lasjdflka gimme a sec
sly kestrel
no
uncut bone
?
vague plover
To what?
sly kestrel
vague plover
unborn fog
jay what is it
vague plover
Jay share ur wisdom please
urban sparrow
While they're getting the pictures...is it okay if I confirm if I understand the 2 shields theory correctly? In the diamonds vs Sun shields, the sun shields represents the natural light sources and that was the King's symbol i.e. the eye of eden symbol. Is it right that the king lost to the diamonds and they took over eden and basically blew it up with the giant diamond and then triggered the extinction? The little child we hug is the king who lost. And the winged light and the children of light are all in his image because we are all connected....however....if the elders were all in on the damaging diamond manufacturing...why are we trying to bring them up to the stars?
vague plover
KKWKEKRKKD
urban sparrow
Oh, sorry! I thought someone might post some photos of the lanterns if there any different ones...my bad!
vague plover
Also J idk to much on the theories so I can't answer but I think that's the just of it?? Ur doing great
Ohh well there was one posted earlier!
sly kestrel
I do
Uhhhh
Well I don’t much do theories on the king but
I like ur view of it tho
urban sparrow
Nice! Diamond....
warm bluff
I wonder what kind of people fought with those big weapons
vague plover
Buff moths of course
But yeah, I always imagined they looked similar to the wasteland elder
warm bluff
Kinda reminds me of Steven universe
vague plover
HAHA rubies-
Imagine all the little sky spirit stacked together
But ya I know what you mean it reminds me of the strawberry fields
urban sparrow
Sorry...just a bit more because it's been on my mind....the darkness that came was perhaps not the krills...but the diamond production that caused all the elders to leave the king ("the stars to fall") and make a new home in the clouds...maybe we are supposed to help the king to unite the stars again because...based on the opening sequence 'with the stars united our light was infinite'...so the king left a whole load of winged lights around the kingdoms to help the children of light to bring the stars home...
That's right...they fell, or defected to create the diamonds...
sturdy condor
Then why wouldn’t the king just give the lights to us at the start of the game
vague plover
Indeed it is, I kinda hope we get more information of the sheilds and such. They seemed placed there as a memorial or something
Serval people typing in lore chat??
pliant agate
hello, some strange images came to me, of a level that I have not seen, can I share them?
sturdy condor
Ok
drowsy spoke
Oooh hoho i stumbled into something good
fickle tundra
Do you guys think that the crashed boat in the secondary area in the wasteland could have been like the Ark I and then the new ark is the Ark II?
drowsy spoke
Shipwreck? I have a theory that that is the ark
Or at least, the same area as the ark
fickle tundra
Hmmm 🤔
drowsy spoke
Okay, so we know that the forgotten ark is long long long before wasteland became a wasteland
sturdy condor
The forgotten ark isn’t the ark in history of sky
drowsy spoke
@sturdy condor Huh?
unborn fog
the ark was transporting the lights and the shipwreck is transporting power diamonds
sturdy condor
What this uwu
pliant agate
Does anyone know about this?
sturdy condor
Where is it found?
pliant agate
I want to know. They reached me on WhatsApp
sturdy condor
Can you ask them what realm it is in
pliant agate
Could this be an old beta map?
@hushed steeple
With this season's cape?
fickle tundra
Looks like it could have been an concept idea for the home area
drowsy spoke
Confusion increases
I thought it was a map of prairie for a second
Or maybe the hidden area in isle
pliant agate
It doesn't seem like a concept
unborn fog
i confirmed it with a friend, that is a new season concept, please delete
beta content
sturdy condor
Kkdkdmdjmdmsk
warm bluff
MY EYES
vague plover
fickle tundra
Ahh, good thing I love spoilers hehe
warm bluff
MY MEMORY
sturdy condor
Aaaaaaaaa
fickle tundra
Either way it looks really cool
urban sparrow
Ooh dear...
drowsy spoke
Boop I have bleach
unborn fog
alright back to lore please
drowsy spoke
Do you require bleach
warm bluff
WHY IS MY MEMORY SO BAD WHEN I NEED IT AND MY MEMORY CAN NEVER FORGET WHEN IT'S A SPOILERRR
sturdy condor
I require b l e a c h
vague plover
Cheers!
sturdy condor
Cheers!
fickle tundra
I had a perfect meme for this but I can’t find it >:~
fickle tundra
drowsy spoke
(hey you guys know in heathers the musical where Heather Chandler drinks bleach)
warm bluff
fickle tundra
Found it 😅
sturdy condor
I’ll take your entire stock
drowsy spoke
OH my gosh hydrojohn
You savior
(like I'm heather chandler right now)
We all share bleach
fickle tundra
There’s enough 4 every one lol
drowsy spoke
Bleach is the quenchiest
urban sparrow
It looks lovely...can't wait for the next season! I was hoping they would carry on in the same way to Enchantment with a new area / land!
drowsy spoke
Oh no Sonya
sturdy condor
Skskkskskkskskskksksksksks
warm bluff
STOP NO
unborn fog
let s stay on topic please, this is lore chat after all
fickle tundra
What “content” 🤫
warm bluff
LETS JUST REMEMBER MOST OF US ARE BROKE
vague plover
I didnt see anything :) let's move on shall we before we summon a mod
fickle tundra
Oh, bacc to the forgotten ark
fickle tundra
I know they plots of land are for farming an agricultural needs
drowsy spoke
There's nothing spoilery about crabs, right?
fickle tundra
But while I was flying last them, they sort of looked like graves. Any thoughts?
warm bluff
IM TOO BROKE TO AFFORD THE SHRINK SPELL
fickle tundra
Just a gAmE theory
drowsy spoke
And there's barely any fertilizer in the desert
sturdy condor
There is no spoilers in Ba Sing Se
sturdy condor
I gladly accept their invitation
drowsy spoke
fickle tundra
Very Fascinating
celest spoke
hey if there’s a home portal statue at Ark, why were the Ark crew trapped???
(tho iirc it wasn’t there at first, and only appeared partway thru the season maybe after a specific light quest?)
drowsy spoke
I don't think spirits can use home portals
vague plover
HAHAHHAHA u didn't need to the bleach after all
drowsy spoke
We don't see spirits in home except for the traveling spirit, right?
fickle tundra
Maybe they put one there after they died so ya light children can go back and forth
drowsy spoke
Yeah
celest spoke
So who put it there lorewise? Us skykids?
drowsy spoke
Maybe the previous skykids
The ones that might possibly fought the king
And failed
And are now statues in eden (:
It WHAT
Scales?
vague plover
Mhm!
fickle tundra
Krill scales 👀👀
warm bluff
???????
drowsy spoke
warm bluff
????
sturdy condor
fickle tundra
Those sort of look like the U shape for season symbol
urban sparrow
Was the ark drawing of the krill the first time we saw a drawing of a krill? I didn't see them in any other cave drawings...it was the first time I realised the krills and spirits were around at the same time....
celest spoke
What the— Oreo has an Instagram account and I think it’s legit w pix of Jenova’s kid alongside
vague plover
Your cape also does the same pattern hahah
urban sparrow
Also wow about the scales in the rock
warm bluff
Did it do that for other seasons?
fickle tundra
Maybe it’s to show that it’s internally made of light?
vague plover
I think it might be a bug
celest spoke
I thought artist girl might’ve painted birds on it
vague plover
Also I'm gonna head to bed u scholars have fun
warm bluff
Sneep well
unborn fog
goodnight becan! 
urban sparrow
Goodnight Becan and everyone...I'm going to bed too.
drowsy spoke
Ahhaha wait I just saw that the Env Artist is playing overwatch
And that's just so humerous for me for some reason
Okay back on topic
I wasn't here for season of rhythm, so what's special about it? Like what's the story for rhythm
sturdy condor
Idk, I wasn’t here either
late tinsel
I wanna know more sky lore.
unborn fog
You can check the pins for a document!
sly kestrel
Well
The rhythm season was jus a remake of the first pre launch season
It was simply called
winter
Since global launch didn’t have the winter season, they decided to make a remake of it called the “season of rhythm” this way, ppl can have a chance on the missed out cosmetics in old beta
And they added a new spirit as well 
Story wise it’s jus a group of fancy performers
glad sonnet
ok but who is cooking the crabs in wasteland
sly kestrel
It appeared in the season of belonging and the wasteland spirit was hunting for crabs soooooo it’s safe to say that it was the 
spirit’s crab cooker
don’t judge he was jus tryna feed his family 
drowsy spoke
Oh gorsh
wind bone
They didn’t add a new spirit they just decided to give piano man a snazzy duck mask
drowsy spoke
Ahahha
unborn fog
billy joel intensifies
don’t judge he was jus tryna feed his family
wait i forget is that spirit an elder or an adult spirit
swift helm
Yes i guess
steady patrol
Anyone got the ||concept|| pic in the ||office||
I already wanted to read it but never could
cinder bough
If I'm not mistaken, it can be found in the pins?
potent gate
Here's the lonk for concept arts #lore-discussion-spoilers message
burnt dagger
are we allowed to discuss beta lore on here or not.. im assuming not
vague plover
No we are not allowed
burnt dagger
patiently waiting for it to be released live
vague plover
But thank you so much for asking!! Hahaha
burnt dagger
thx for answering
nova tiger
heady sinew
Even if the chat is asleep, feel free to share your ideas anytime! We might read them a bit later
vague plover
Sorryao2kkrkdk sometimes this chat is a alseep for awhile, but yeah please share! I'll read it when I have the chance
late tinsel
I have a imagination not a Lore lmao
What if we were all reborn as sky kids in our next life.
I wanna fly
open bridge
winter
@sly kestrel ohh so that's why they called it a season
hushed steeple
What if all TGC games take place in the same universe?
I mean, picture this, it starts with flOw, but then, the sea/lake dries out, making place for flower.
Afterwards the life that was there dies out. And that's where the civilization we see in Journey appears.
After the Travellers/wayfarers/adventurers ascend through the mountain, they manage to alter their form, and build a new home in the clouds, and some time later, sky begins.
cold steppe
I believe TGC has confirmed that Sky and Journey (at the very least) are not connected
Sky is merely the spiritual successor of Journey
drowsy spoke
Well they're not sequels, but that doesn't mean they can't be connected
This headcanon will still work without journey tho
They all connected
pallid blaze
Guys
cold steppe
I doubt they're connected. I think they're supposed to be separate
pallid blaze
What do you guys think if the Last Season such Rhythm or belonging comeback on the next year ALTHOUGH we have bought all the comestic from them?
fickle tundra
Some of the architecture in Eden looks similar to the desert level in journey
unborn fog
seasons don t repeat
fickle tundra
Oof you make an very good point 😅
So the part I. Journey where you have to avoid those snake creatures
Nah hyperjohn sounds cool 😎
Sorry for the blurry photo but I think that part of Eden looks similar to journey but but just a tiny bit
cold steppe
TGC probably used similar imagery
sly kestrel
Ye they use a lot of references and similar architecture
Vault, krill being the guardian, being able to honk, collecting peices of something to make you fly higher, etc
lavish terrace
I know this isn’t in the game but I thought this would be a cool concept for dark sky kids
What if when we lose enough stars we go into the negative numbers
Like
5,4,3,2,1,0,-1,-2,-3,-4,-5
And the negative stars are black and that’s what a dark sky child is. And they’re after our light because they envy us, and they think that if they take our light they’ll become themselves again.
OOF that could mean that one of our friends could become a dark sky child
cold steppe
@lavish terrace that might fit better in #wishlist-and-ideas-archived !
fickle tundra
That would be a really cool idea
lavish terrace
Wait really? :0
hushed steeple
It would be a nice addition, but I think it should be a choice whether you want to become one
steep coyote
Something I was inspecting, those colored platforms looks like the ones when we change Cosmetics
And the place too
Plus the second map have the same shape of the forest tample as someone pointed out before, but it was kinda different, and probably the "Graveyard" was a place where the Wales could be seen
Also I've noticed another thing
The pipes keep on wasting even if Wasteland is not active
You can also hear the sounds
sly kestrel
“Wasting”
steep coyote
WELL
sly kestrel
I get what ur saying tho
steep coyote
english is not my native language so I make mistakes
sly kestrel
It’s not necessarily active as if a factory is being used still, but it makes sense if there’s still tar and oil leaking out of the pipes Bc.....well there’s a whole sea filled with it
Most likely connects to the pipes
steep coyote
Thus is the destiny of industrial areas ahahah
cerulean compass
There was an Eden Elder design and all i know is that his name was King. Can anybody tell me what was he like? Maybe something about his concept design?
sly kestrel
I gotchu
Well here’s one concept
This one is very old but it should give you sort of an idea of what the king was like. There were many other concepts but this is jus one that I like sending to ppl
cerulean compass
Thank you so much!!
lethal stump
big dude to the right, cant miss him, @cerulean compass
@willow pumice bêta content stays in beta channels
unborn fog
ani keep beta content in beta channels until it is released please
unborn fog
jay you re 20 minutes late
violet lily
So has it been confirmed that the krill and whales are to different entities or are they the same
violet lily
Oof thx I’m trying to explain the lore of krill to sky kids who don’t use discord
sinful stratus
I found proof for manta prison
It's indeed closed rooms instead of windows where the mantas fly from
spring blaze
season of enchantment spirit + coloured light cutscenes
https://youtu.be/m1yeYVsVahc
season of sanctuary spirit + bell cutscenes (credits to joshur#7086 for 5th bell video!)
https://youtu.be/mV7yP_pSx50
season of prophecy spirit + cave changes + mural cutscenes (credits to Mirian#8040 and Xynthanium#1280 for videos!)
https://youtu.be/_ZgPeMTBYbE
let me know if you can edit the doc bc i dont know how to make it only viewable
unborn fog
ah rip rip rip ajslkdfjlaksdjlfkasj moth got krilled
i thought it spotted me
oooh thanks ginsy!
sly kestrel
jay you re 20 minutes late
@that.cambion.nerd#1202 I know, I jus felt like saying it
unborn fog
ah mobile discord hates pinging me
round musk
How did the people at the forest factory trap mantas if they have no physical bodies? Did they have some sort of special metal that light couldn't pass through?
sly kestrel
I’m still confused how u guys see it as a prison
unborn fog
it s like the windows in prairie, no?
round musk
Regardless of whether or not they stored the mantas in the factory, they still had to capture them somehow
Maybe they lured them with light? Kinda like moths?
normal berry
If skykids get damaged from whales, then is there a chance whales are actually dark creatures?
normal berry
big fish dudes
hushed agate
:00000
unborn fog
lore is like the story, speculation and theories behind the game!
hushed agate
Oooooo
unborn fog
google 'coelocanth' if you haven t already
potent gate
They looks like a big arwana or arapaima tbh
unborn fog
no a coelocanth >:V
omg i forgot that the arapiama existed
yeah wait it does kinda look like it
acoustic inlet
No way
unborn fog
they do go into orbit 
potent gate
They're like, big creatures that doesn't mean any harm, unless you bonk into them, they don't fight back tho
normal berry
also they don't really emit light
urban sparrow
sly kestrel
Hey siriacha, May I yell a few paragraphs at you?
normal berry
but arguably you can pick up a crab without harm, so i guess that contradicts my statement
urban sparrow
There it is swimming into the stars...
normal berry
@sly kestrel you can not yell them at me
sly kestrel
Too bad, feel my wrath
normal berry
no ill cry
sly kestrel
Have you ever looked at a huge truck going 10000 miles per hour and decided to go jump in front of it?
normal berry
also before you go off i said the POSSIBILITY of them being made of darkness
sly kestrel
remember, when we hit a wall or the ground at full force, we lose light. So doesn’t it make sense for us to lose light if u decide to go fly in front of a physical whale that’s about to smash an enormous building in front of us
If the truck driver hit you when u ran in front of it and now ur bleeding and injured, is the truck evil for hitting you or it is ur fault for jumping right in front of it
normal berry
ok, ok i get it
sly kestrel
I didn’t yell this time 😂
I think I’m gonna make a copy and pasted explanation bc a lot of ppl seem to ask this often
sly kestrel
normal berry
and no, rocks and plants dont count
sly kestrel
Oh and something else
Um, I know this is a theory but take this into assumption
There is a type of creature called “neutral creatures”. These are creatures that have physical bodies which includes flesh and bones, dark and light creatures don’t have this. The whale, is a neutral creature, so it doesn’t make it a light creature or dark
It’s simply jus neutral
sly kestrel
Well, I’ll send you a hint ash gave us and you can make ur own theory. But in my opinion, the crab is a bit mysterious and the only guess I have is that it’s a neutral creature butttt it’s intention is to take light
“A fun crab lore fact: there's a specific reason for the way that Sky's crabs walk the way they do. their walkcycle mimics something... 
”-Ash
“Ok are their legs mimicking something, or is it their whole body”-Me
“Its the walk cycle, but what that mimics is also relating to what the crabs are, technically. How crabs are born/made/created/come to be. What are crabs 🦀”- Ash
normal berry
wonder what they are mimicking. krill?
normal berry
don't crabs have those dark patches that krill and dying/dead skykids have?
urban sparrow
They walk in circles...so circle of life?
potent gate
Crab walkcycle mimics bats iirc
normal berry
b a t s
sly kestrel
They aren’t mimicking boats, and we got the boat idea from the oars that move sort of like a crab’s leg
Oh and.....reika gave a tiny lil hint too
“How do real life crabs walk?
That’s all imma say 🙂”
normal berry
hmmm
sly kestrel
I would fetch a screenshot but I’m a bit lazy
sly kestrel
Nah they walk backwards
round musk
I find it hilarious that crabs are one of the hardest things in sky to theorize about
normal berry
haha
sly kestrel
no
sly kestrel
well here’s one thing
Crabs were edible according to the spirit
round musk
Well, maybe he thought crabs were edible and they turned out to just be made of rocks
round musk
Yeah that's a good point
normal berry
im the rock nerd, you are in my domain now
urban sparrow
Maybe the pollution made them a bit cranky....they are different colours when away from Pollution...i sometimes see red ones...
normal berry
that might just be the lighting
however, the ones in the|| office|| are black, while the ones in the forest are blue (?)
unborn fog
actually
actually
if you look at the ones in valley they are blue, but when you get close the render bake on kicks in turning them a dark orange
it s the lighting, no?
potent gate
I thought valley crabs is one hit kill bcs they're red
sly kestrel
Nope
potent gate
Is it different species or lighting
sly kestrel
They are jus like that cuz of the lighting
The only “stronger” species is the eden krill
They instantly make you lose ur light once u get too close to them, and this is a theory but I think they can knock off more wings than normal krill as well
normal berry
@hushed steeple just a crab- looking rock i suppose
sly kestrel
Although, this is a theory Bc I can’t find anyone willing to go and test it out
normal berry
ill test it
sly kestrel
Who wants to get krilled for me?
unborn fog
wait wait wait the eden krills have insta hit kill?
ooooh can i go get krilled with you
normal berry
sure but later tho
unborn fog
actually wait i have exactly a hundred stars i would rather not
sly kestrel
Nono, they jus make u lightless once u get too close to them
Getting hit, well we will find out if they do more wing damage
normal berry
ok
potent gate
Eden krills is insta kill, even with home glitch, you'll lost all power but not wls
They're more powerful than normal krills
sly kestrel
Ye
normal berry
@hushed steeple then those may be dead crabs/ crab shells. but i can assure you they are not rocks... and heres why
sly kestrel
Wouldn’t say instant kill tho
normal berry
the crabs over the fire confirms that they can be skewered. you cant stab a rock(obv) they would either shatter or the wooden/metal stick would break (depending on the hardness of the rock), so most likely they have a hard exterior and a soft inside
sly kestrel
Crab shell
sly kestrel
🍴
normal berry
👄 🥄
neat inlet
Someone talk about theories about where the darkness came from
sly kestrel
Darkness was a natural part of the world
fickle tundra
The dark plants sort of look like they are made from gasoline. Or primarily oil/gunk. Any thoughts 💭 🧐
mortal adder
Darkness is the absence of light.
turbid spade
but the dark plants contain candle light
mortal adder
Maybe the dark plants became light vacums? Like a black hole or something?
potent gate
If you analyze a bit, dark plants come out of dead person, like cry spirit for example, there's dark plants surrounding her dead friend, but I'm not sure
upper condor
0 — 0 how many people died in forest
potent gate
'-'
upper condor
⁰—⁰
potent gate
Someone should make a game theory for this
urban sparrow
i think dark plants grow in dark / shady places....
Although there's prairie....
Well...there goes that theory!
turbid spade
0__0
twilit current
Well, could maybe the plants grow on things like oil or other natural sources of energy? The only plants that grow in Prairie grow on the towers. To me it seems like there is some sort of machine that makes the tops spin. In the maintenance of the towers it’s safe to assume oil or something like it is used to keep them working
This would still work with the plants growing on or near dead creatures/people and the fallen trees
sly kestrel
Well they did grow on the dead whale
And around faint spirit
....cuz yk
He died
And the battlefield has a bunch too
round musk
Someone talk about theories about where the darkness came from
@neat inlet Darkness is only a natural part of the world in the sense that it existed from the time the elders fell. Darkness actually seems to have originated from the elders turning away from the light and gaining earthly attachments.
Darkness represents selfishness, whereas light represents selflessness. You can't have selfishness without someone being selfish
celest spoke
Mantas in plants are still alive
Also giant krabobs were prb soft-shelled when skewered
(jeez has no one else here ever had a soft-shelled crab sandwich nom nom nom)
urban sparrow
Hmm...isn't it weird that despite the lands representing different parts of day, the night land (vault) doesn't seem to be related to the darkness plants...are there any plants there? I can't recall any at all...
round musk
I never thought about that
celest spoke
There are some in Office, in front of the cape-selling bot
round musk
I thought the office was in like a parallel universe or something
round musk
It's strange that there aren't any in the library
vague plover
The vault is kinda a dreamy/visiony area if I remember correctly. It makes sense but I find it interesting how there is standing water in that one area
sly kestrel
Office don’t count
And the dreamy feel is mostly the elevator part
But
It is confirmed that the spirits built it as a vault to contain leftover knowledge, that is the main reason why it’s called “vault of knowledge” and like someone said earlier, it’s like a library
But sky edition
urban sparrow
Yeah, definitely like a library
Just the first two levels though...then it gets a bit spacey
vague plover
Ohh okay, I thought is also affected partially how we see parts of the vault haha. Like there was a layer of dream state/memory and then how it actually is in its state of ruin.
But yeah I agree
sly kestrel
The top part is definitely physical tho
turbid spade
maybe because the vault is protected from darkness? its located behind the fortress
round musk
There's crabs in the purple light area tho
turbid spade
so the fort failed to protect the vault? it is kinda messy at the first floor.
there's a hole in the wall too
round musk
Also Eden is right behind it...
round musk
?
sly kestrel
Well....hard to explain but the top of vault is somewhere at the top of the mountain and eden is located a little higher towards the summit of the mountain
So vault is an elevator to the front gate of eden
round musk
Yeah vault is in front of Eden... but Eden is behind vault
sly kestrel
No
vague plover
Also just a general thing I guess, but there is a belief that If there is a strong emotional feeling with someone they can leave a imprint in that spot where they were. (Wether it being another person can feel something there or in extreme cases being able to see things due to that emotional 'scar' on the spot around them.)
I wonder if that may be the case for the spirits we relive? We get to see a strong emotion or memory/s from them due to its impact on the space around them.
sly kestrel
Ok vault is inside the mountain and it takes you around the top of it once u get to the top level, and once ur at the top level, u can now have an access to eden
vague plover
Yes dark plants
round musk
Eden doesn't have dark plants either iirc
It's like everything beyond wasteland is unable to grow dark plants
vague plover
Maybe dark plants need some sort of light to grow off of. I mean darkness was a natural part of the world so maybe an imbalance like in eden would through off the ecosystem of plants there.