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Yes
I have a theory
You guys know the Disney movie Atlantis right? If you don't go watch it it's a underrated movie but anyway all of the Atlantians have white hair like our skykids
So I think that the realm of sky is just Atlantis after a real long time and most of the Atlantians have evolved to be light
Now I've never played or watched a playthrough of journey but...
Itās not
Well thereās similarities and reference designs and stuff
But story wise they arenāt connected
With a name like "professional liar" I don't know if I should trust you on that
I donāt lie on this chat 
.... Alright
Hehe
when it comes to lore I tell no lies š
:3
Not sure if we still need info on crabs but
-when u call they get enraged and immediately charge
-after watching them for a while, they seem to resemble bulls maybe? They turn red and get ready to charge, then they charge fast and straight, and maybe get stunned
-in general their walk pattern is circles. They walk circles left, then right randomly. And when they are turning they usually speed up, like they are drifting or something.
-sometikes they just stop and hide under their shell thing? Like a turtle
-when they are upside down their front legs run circles, like they are trying to swim forward, and back legs go back and forth in an almost straight line
-when they are flipped upside down, they help eachother back up
-their legs move kind of roboticly, but their actual walkpath is very random
Hope this helps, let me know if you can argue for or against any of this, and if I should continue my.. crab studies xD
Also, I keep seeing crabs hiding when krill are near or looking at them. Then they pop their heads back up when the krills back is to them. I made sure to see this multiple times before deciding that it's happening quite a lot. (These studies are all from shipwreck)
oh? thts interesting..
āA fun crab lore fact: there's a specific reason for the way that Sky's crabs walk the way they do. their walkcycle mimics something...
ā-Ash
āOk are their legs mimicking something, or is it their whole bodyā-Me
āIts the walk cycle, but what that mimics is also relating to what the crabs are, technically. How crabs are born/made/created/come to be. What are crabs š¦ā- Ash
the circle of life
Thought u guys should kno where we got our crab hint and walk cycle talk
Is there a reason for the sky creatures to be based off sea creatures i.e. mantas, crabs, krill, whales?
Grey smol manta?
āA fun crab lore fact: there's a specific reason for the way that Sky's crabs walk the way they do. their walkcycle mimics something...
ā-Ash
āOk are their legs mimicking something, or is it their whole bodyā-Me
āIts the walk cycle, but what that mimics is also relating to what the crabs are, technically. How crabs are born/made/created/come to be. What are crabs š¦ā- Ash
@sly kestrel
Mimic a clock?
Crabs were start attacking after sky people took too much water
The quote says that what the crabs represent are what they are technically which makes me think it has to be something that they literally are, if that's possible
Could you explain how the crabs mimic the clock?
@hushed steeple because they walk in circles? š
Could be an infinity sign
Sometimes i think that krills are lot of crabs merging together
Yea that's basically all we need to know. I thought we needed all facts about crabs, but tgc hinted about their walkcycle, so most of the facts I presented aren't very helpful
oh yeah hmm there was that crab pile concept art
When u reference concept art is it stuff that the art team has made? Or like fanart
team made, sorry that wasn't clear
There are smooth krills concept, but that one looks like a corrupted manta instead of flying centipede
Yes
Smoot krill
Looks like journey sentinels
From the game Journey
They're called guardians when i googled this pic š
Me too Can't afford PS4 šāļø
#other-tgc-games unless journey is on topic
Yes kinda waiting for the lore gods to look at our stuff lmaoo I haven't drawn any conclusions
Do u realize that vault crabs are gigantic
I don't remember vault crabs
Cube area? Uhhh what sorry
Oh ty I'll check it out
Hmm which floor? I went in the 4 person telekenesis door and saw no crabs
Ohhh
Ok where are the crabs in that room
That's the 2 player underground maze right
Oh cool, makes sense
Off topic, but I just remember something I want to talk about the Cry spirit.
In the memory sequence, her friend is blocked by a darkplant right? And it was theorized that darkplants grow in dead/dying things.
In the picture, there are three graves and a darkplant. I'm theorizing that this darkplant is where the body of cry spirit. She didn't escape, but died grieving to her friends
@hushed steeple they're blocked by crumbling stones, no?
...did anyone ever think that vault was an experiment? Like, they were seeing if the creatures (mantas and 

) could adapt to a new environment, the mantas did and the 

didnāt which is why the bones are at the top level
Did I just interrupt-
Oh boy..sry
Hhh where did everyone go-
Ah okie :3
:3
Okie
: D
There's also spirit creatures in vault that has many flaps
Ah yes
The one that carries lanterns on it's back
mutant spirit mantas
Smaller ones are also flying next to it
When i just elevated to the level where it exists i can see there's a silhouette of something but when i go there i found nothing
See ya
Hm if there are mega mantas and mega jellyfish, are there mega butterflies?
And mega cārabs?
And mega krills?

@sly kestrel start a sky podcast?
Podcasts are audios! Imagine watching a video but there's no video lol. Podcasts can be informative, entertainment, to relax, etc etc.
There is a podcast that features one of Sky's developers explaining the origin of Rainbow Bridge
There's plenty of Podcasts on Spotify
Also, does anybody have the Elder's names concept???
Thank you so much! 
@heady sinew do you have a link to the rainbow bridge podcast or know where to find it? '^^ sorry for the ping
@heady sinew do you have a link to the rainbow bridge podcast or know where to find it? '^^ sorry for the ping
@upper condor yeah! Just let me look for it real quick
Ok! Thank you! :)
Keep in mind these are concept names, not their canon names
@hushed steeple yus yus. I wanted them for inpiration. I might write some Sky fanfic in the future and wanted to come up with my own names for them
Of course! 
The one at the entrance? Jay mentioned it's from an old quest from beta
And, yeah i think Vault is like a research facility
@hushed steeple not rlly no, itās a place built by the scholars to hold knowledge in the realms. It holds all types of knowledge some forbidden too
I never had any theories on it of my own so Im wondering if anyone else has
I like to think it's a little monument to birds 
Or a larger Bird covered in snow and ice to honor it- 
Like in the race somewhat?
Manta call got that job instead
A lot of these unnecessary light quests were removed bc they seemed a bit random and they didnāt want us to stray too far off from the story
Like the turtles
Yep
Yea but they didnāt want us to get distracted from the story 
What would they bring to the game 
I mean... they are turtles after all
That would be pretty sweet 
Ocean themed season and you jump thru a path of giant turtles to go across the map 
Nowhere
Where will the turtles be
It's just an idea 
I have a question
Well theyāre gone now so not much use taking about them if they arenāt related to lore
Cuz itās secretly a block of cheese
U say that like we have an answer for everything
As if we have confirmed answers like that
It's for discussion
I guess the stormy clouds gather holes in different places 
Uhhh
One of the holes are where we come through valley to wasteland
And I donāt think it much helps us with the story
So there are more realms?
No....?
And I donāt think it much helps us with the story
@sly kestrel every bit of detail is important
Jus bc we came from a hole doesnāt mean those other holes are different realms
There are no more realms, the hole we happen to go thru is the one that conects Valley to Wasteland
Wasteland be the Storm
Plus, all of wasteland is jus some deserted place under the huge mountain
But how did Wasteland waters turn to Oil/Acid-
Not acid
They are mucky
Those holes could have been used as safe places for boats to go thru, but nothing else comes to mind for me
Reika made that a bit specific one time but oil and tar is a good guess
Ahh- I see
What about a realm representing afterlife?
If they did add another realm that would change the lore I guess 
Thats Orbit-
After Eden-
OrBIt is not a realm
There is no afterlife
In sky, itās simply a cycle
Isle doesn't seem like birth tho-
It represents it but when they built it they didnāt have birth in mind
It looks more like when you are a toddler
Storm represents death
In lore, Megabird drops a Soul on the Beach aka Isle where the Soul learns to fly I guess- idrk-
And this whole life cycle is for the skykids and THEIR journey of life
Not the spirits
Spirits donāt have our journey
Mid life crisis
Hidden forest represents emo teens
The birth-death-rebirth in sky seems like itās kinda similar to the egg short story by kurzgesagt
Sky is supposed to represent every religion, or is it not?
Its like youāre always reincarnated into a different person
Not represent a religion but itās obvious some of the game motives are from some of them
Oh I forgot about the religion thing
The whole cycle thing
But we shouldnāt look at the religions and base it as the story of sky
It's a thing from Hinduism, budh,etc.
They jus took ideas from it
Yes
Yeah cycle is similar to boudhism for example
Then adding a new realm?
No
Will it be possible
No
Ok
Yeah
Change to realms?
Since each realm already represent something specific
The closest thing is to edit realms
And add to them
Like the lost ark
DAWN
DAYLIGHT
DUSK
NOON
EVENING
NIGHT
hmm?
Caverns and Ark are raw proof
Of added areas
Should have been more specific lol excuse me
U jus named the realms Yayy
You wake up with no experience of yesterday at DAWN
By the end of the day you are wiser
Thus representing vault of knowledge
I MEAN 24 HOUR END
At night
Vault is the most interesting part of the lore for me
Except for the whole paper I wrote and rewrote on the origin of the stars/elders
Itās a library holding tons of knowledge, if tgc is ever going to reveal some sort of backstory I believe we will find it in vault
I think I saw some cracks in vault
Also would the wasteland warriors be protecting vault?
A little confused here
Vault has supposedly, forbidden knowledge
Well a belonging spirit got inside bc of the overall decay and ruin
But idk what crack ur talking about
And yes
Well a belonging spirit got inside bc of the over decay and ruin
But idk what crack ur talking about
@sly kestrel the crack in the walls
Itās called the archives
You mean the chipped part of the Box thingy?
Think of it like this
Thereās a HUGE safe of money that is locked up and meant to have no one enter, but centuries pass and it starts to decay, bc of this, itās weak and now ppl can sneak in and break through any cracks or small entry ways
Exactly@heady sinew
That's more of a floating platform
Even tho they confirmed that the belonging spirit snuck in
I do believe there were many other spirits that were able to get in as well
I think the stuff we see inside are power cells keeping it up
Also forbidden knowledge
U can only imagine what this was, and why it was so important for them to keep it all locked up
Dangerous power diamond practices and light extraction techniques perhaps?
Things people were not supposed to know...
If u havenāt played the season of belonging Iām pretty sure u wonāt kno what Iām talkin about but itās whatever
Sky was run under a dictatorship?
Anything before Enchantment is foreign territory for me
But if there was one overall leader of the sky kingdom, I believe it would be the king
But we still have yet to prove if he is current canon
I think it's best to assume concepts are still 'canon'
since we don't have much to work with otherwise
Like concepts are 'canon' but if soemthing in the current game contradicts the concepts then yeah the current game stuff wins
Ooh and also I haven't been here a while anyone care to tell me if we figured out crab orgins yet?
Aw man
OOoh and one thing more I've been reading past messages yes I agree we require a sky podcast
Like imagine the POSSIBILITIES š
yeah they are like radio shows which you can listen to whenever you want
It's completely up to someone who's gonna do podcasts
Ooh and also I haven't been here a while anyone care to tell me if we figured out crab orgins yet?
@drowsy spoke the murals in ark's cave talk about it
ive sent the pics here before
^this is one of the crab origin theories I know of
Thanks mochi
based on Seraph's posts
Yea thereās a separate path leading to that boat
Also
Surprise surprise, thereās a pipe that leaking fresh water down that path
U can even hear the sound effects
Yes fresh water
I will record it for u if I have to
no
i think some of the concepts are canon, just implemented differently
the only concept art weāve seen is pretty much ones pinned here, we dont see much of the more loreādriven present day concept arts aside from seasonal stuff
like i dont think ive seen a krill concept art but a darkness creature like the krill has been a concept, like that weird big teeth darkness monster in the concept arts
same intention (assuming), but different execution
A little hard to tell what ur looking at in the screenshots
But heyyy
I see that kiki cosplay
steel beams lookin things
i really wanna know whats the lore behind those scarves lookin stuff we see around the kingdom
They look an awful lot like the scarves from tgc's game Journey
Like this
so it ay be that
Hm I don't see the similarities alll that much
are there any theories about the ark? how they came to be, why their ship is there, why it's called a forgotten ark etc
im sure it'll get clearer as the season comes to a close
Thereās a bunch
I would say mine but it involves the lightseeker season and a lot of ppl get confused on that part
Yeah
I bet sky has gotten a lot of new players in the last season or two
I personally played sky a while ago and only came back to it at the start of the season
I dont remember there being seasons when i first plays
played
OOOOO i just had a huge idea. I feel like the Elders of the realms were made with inspiration from the greek gods:
Isle Elder: old, wise, has a staff, therefore is zues.
Prairie Elder: Possibly female, gentle, and appreciates beauty, therefore Aphrodite.
Forest Elder: An eager craftsman/woman and forger, therefore Hephaestus.
Valley Elders: Twins, Young, strong, althletic, one likely male, one likely female, Therefore Artemis and Apollo
Wasteland Elder: A warrior, fighting to his last breath, therefore Aries.
Vault Elder: A wise, likely female elder who values knowledge, therefore Hera or Athena.
What do you guys think?
The isle elder is actually a ferryman if ur using Greek myth
Ok I'm a bit confused on the lore of this game so can someone explain it please
Look at the pinned messages, that sould clear things up
Not rlly
No matter what u see in the pins, it wonāt explain the entire story
Nuff this channel is for discussing the lore and trying to figure it out
We barely have anything confirmed at all, we jus have theories and speculations.
The main idea is that we were sent down to save the elders by reconnecting them with the light to bring them home
Details on the backstory of the civilization and stuff, we donāt have anything confirmed on that
I would say mine but it involves the lightseeker season and a lot of ppl get confused on that part
@sly kestrel confused like what
Well, at the start for what I think, the vault elder was calling us down, to try reconnect players with stars, holding someoneās hand, trying to lead the way to establish peace once again, who knows how the wasteland looked before ( I think ) a battle now that weāve seen flowers etc in the forgotten ark? What if Eden was beautiful really, but because the elders (maybe) got corrupted, itās all crushed? Ever wondered what those pieces that were left behind in Eden, that we now use to seek shelter were? Thatās just a thought I had-
does anyone have the timelien images of the sky lore?
canon one
I forgot where I put mine
Yee
I just saw the end of enchantment
On YouTube
By someone with beta access
Not sure if I'm allowed to spoil that
It's cool actually
No problem
Ok so-
The ascended spirits give us WL right?
But we have to free the WL aka give them back to the bodies
So like
Did the spirits kidnap WLs to give to the player?
Damn you lost me
I uh
Wait what
I thought we were supposed to return the lights?
āBro I brought my siblings here so they can go home and u kidnapped them?ā
@ripe cedar ?
You don't remember, what a sad issue 
They look like paper birbs
Like origami
When I was drawing them for a comic I literally google āoragami birdsā and it was like the same thing
In Chinese we call it a é¶“ tho
But those are like a type of birds so whatever
does anyone have the timelien images of the sky lore?
@strong zodiac sorry
But this doesnāt exist š
Well there is a timeline out there with the backstory
But itās not canon itās a scrapped concept thatās rlly rlly rlly rlly rlly old
Well, guys, I finally did it. I got every non-event wing buff
Did a war happened in wasteland?
Or I can't ask here?
I can't stop thinking about the broken buildings/hallways in eden
Like what was it before...something happened
well according to an old lore document eden was the capital of sky and the elders lived there, but then the 'storm' came and destroyed everything. might be outdated though
should i spoiler that
When you think about it this game can be pretty dark honestly,,you basically collect winged lights then keep sacrificing yourself
No, it was an old concept that got scrapped long ago
I mean it says spoilers in the channel..do we still need to spoiler?
Nope
And I think the fact that we keep dying is jus for the sake of replayability
Like how we can meditate at the elder shrine over and over
They haven't done a bad job keeping it entertaining for people who finished the game
I can't stop thinking about the broken buildings/hallways in eden
@polar plinth I suppose there was a huge earthquake when the eden's eye diamond broke, this explains why the buildings are tilted there and others damaged buildings like the broken brigde in forest, the damages in orrery, etc.
little theory about lighting other skyds, and who the statues and shiny orbit kids are
We see shadows of other sky kids that we haven't make acquaintances with yet, and only after their candles are lit, do they become fully "real" for us.
We also see darkened shapes of sky kids in Eden, and it's not until we give them light, do they become lit into shapes similar to the shadows of unlit sky kids.As an idea, what if those other shadow kids (including ourselves to others) are effectively living memories of the times before they went into Eden, and became the statues, that we are all living at different times, and it's only through connecting our light that we "phase" into each others worlds?
If so, then we are all actually living within Eden and orbit as the shiny kids who give ascended candles, and when we become reborn, we are put back into a shadow body of another sky kid memory who ended up in Eden, prior to becoming a statue, but our light stays in Eden as our previous incarnation. That could be why we never see ourselves as the shiny kids in orbit, as when we arrive, we are welcomed by those who are always there, and are even us from a previous lifetime. But they have sent their physical bodies and memories back to be reborn as shadow kids again in the kingdoms.
That could also explain why we see all of our friends as we fly into orbit, as they are always there from a past life.
Yes a war happened in wasteland
@sly kestrel
Who fought who?
krills vs elder and their army according to the cutscene i think
Ehhh
We have other theories on the war but
Iām wayy way way to lazy to explain
But hereās one hint
It wasnāt the krill they were fighting
we judge who was fighting who based on the shields around battlefield
oh yeah the shield thing
is that the two shields theory?
Yes
cool
maybe? im not familiar with terminology yet ahaha
wasn't sure if there was another theory
First time in this channel and woah 
TST based on the fact that there's a spear through a shield
First time in this channel and woah
@glad saddle welcome
welcome!
Huh so there really was an eden elder
yup, we will just probably never be able to see him š
Well
Not rlly confirmed but, we were confused on what reika meant when she said that
The way I saw it, they were saying that he was removed BECAUSE there was nothing to save
Like....game mechanic removed
And based on the concepts, the eden elder was the king
ooh
I have plenty of pics
are they pinned?
the king prince battle would have been epic
hey it me
im doing well
how bouf u?
oh good lord thats a bunch of pics
In a different concept, the prince WAS the king
well i m doing fine, nice to know ur doing good too
yep
oooh yeah
ooh
interesting to see how the devs/makers refer to the stages as acts
isnt in one of the concept arts, after you you go through thw storm, the prince leads you out of the storm
hey wait that map says nadir and if i remember correctly that s the thing that points downward of a particular position relative to the ground
This.... thissss... felt like finding hidden treasure.. never been here before.. wowww
and it also says atonement with the father, maybe the skykids/elders had sinned when they did that 'they didn t listen' thing in the beginning and they have to pay?
I don't think the beginning is talking about skykids
it's probably referring to the elders
elders =/= spirits =/= skykids
If u read the concept timeline, u should know about the battle with the prince and the light creatures over darkstone
Well vault was always going to give us knowledge of the past but in this concept, it was supposed to show us the backstory of the huge battle
they're all different "species" per se
But
These are all old concepts, sadly none of them made it to game
7 years of development also means 7 years of scrapped storylines and ideas
its kinda sad seeing that they have a lot of big visions for the game but wasnt implemented/develop cus of game development stuff
Where can I read all the concept timelines
in the pins
Thereās only one
Like I said earlier, this is a scrapped concept but itās still nice to read
If u read the concept timeline, u should know about the battle with the prince and the light creatures over darkstone
Well vault was always going to give us knowledge of the past but in this concept, it was supposed to show us the backstory of the huge battle
@sly kestrel I'd like they expand the vault story like they are doing in wasteland... it'd be amazing.
i know this was scrapped but oh that explains why the elders are so eager to take the light you bring them ig
Not rlly
We are supposed to bring them home as our mission from the intro
When we approach them they are dark and have no life or light at all
We bring em home by reconnecting them with the light
And to do this, we give them OUR light
Also in the timeline, they didnāt even make vault yet, the idea of vault came later later
Also the city of Eden didnāt even exist yet, it was simply a mountain
I don't believe that @sly kestrel
Something tells me you're lying
And I can't put my finger on it
oooh the 1996 Toyota Camry car sees through all
Yes
I donāt lie on this chat š
||guys I think that's a lie||
By making your own
What if what we see in those that looks like "shelves" in Vault (especially the hidden place) are actually inscription in Brail code?
Why is there a krill near the forgotten ark?
And what is the story of the forgotten ark? What are those drawing on the ark?
We still need the final Cutscene in order to understand the Ark story :3 but for now, from the murals in it, the spirits were searching for a new place to probably establish, but on their way for it a Krill spotted them, probably started to attack the Ark, thus leading the spirits to escape and the Ark to crash in the land
As for their lights, we still don't know if they fired them away or anything else
@urban sparrow
Iām not ready to bring back that conversation
Lol nobody really knows itās all theories
Oh dear...
What do the dragons want? Why do they attach creatures of light but not the crabs?
*attack
What do the dragons want? Why do they attach creatures of light but not the crabs?
@urban sparrow fun fact: crabs are scared of the dark dragons
if a crab is spotted under a krills light, it will hide in its shell
Jay how do I get a better quality image of that concept timeline?
@pulsar gyro it actually is good quality, u jus have to wait for the pixels to load when u zoom in
Unless u want me to read it for u š
@urban sparrow sorry....we donāt have confirmed answers like that, the lore isnāt much clear to us and we only have theories
@pulsar gyro you can also download the image, which ups the quality a little
No itās actually been done already
U jus have to wait
And then boom, clear pixels
Thank you @desert sun and @sly kestrel

we jus have theories š
Another quick question: why are the flowers called darkness? Aren't they good, because we get candle lights when we burn them...
mmhm, remember how they trap mantas in forest?
And how some of em happen to be next to where a spirit died
Overall they arenāt good
Omg i don't know it can be dark š
Did they cause the spirits to die? E.g. the crying one?
Nope
They crying spirits died bc of other causes
Thereās a sad story behind it actually
Really sad....
What is it?
Uh dm me
No, please we want to know š¢
is this the power diamond explosion
Thas why I ask ppl to dm me
you can link it
Thatās.....totally different
What does dm mean?
direct messaging
basically a private message
basically jay wants to talk to you about it one on one so he doest fill the chat with it again
if you tap on Jays icon youll see an icon that says "message"
click the person's name and a message box should pop up below their roles
Thank you both!
mhm! 
is this beam of light coming from the broken diamond from the eye of the storm? or is it just the light from all the creatures ascending to orbit
i assume its the latter, because of its position relative to the floating castle thingy
but then what of the other beam of light from the eye of the storm?
Hi @sly kestrel , we sent you a dm...
Darkness plants take light
||Why do you turn into a light when you "die" on the Eden?||
||Because light is skykids life force, so when you die, you become light||
Ow
at least thatās what i think
Are the fallen children people who had died or something?
is this the same question from #eden-spoilers ||(who are the statues at the end of eden)||
Maybe
U donāt need to spoiler tag here
I didnt planted that question
epic
And yea ig u could say those children are ādeadā
Oh
Have u completed Eden?
Then u should kno that they donāt stay dead
So, nothing dark to worry about the eden kids
Ok
..unless u dont get to them /joke
no but ok,
i dont remember if all of them break out at the end or if its just the ones you saved but i think its the latter
I think is just a few
Because last time i was there
I saved like 30 and only 19 came
Thatās jus the cutscene
But overall, the amount of kids u save will all contribute to the amount of ascended candles u get
Thereās 64 kids in eden
There is 63 status in eden actually
Yup

Thatās how many there are in my basement
*claps*
family friendly

OKAY i just answered my own question about the beam of light thing
i was exploring prairies oob are when i looked up at the eden mountain and i realized that there are actually two beams of light
hang on
there is one beam that more closely resembles the beam from the broken diamond, and another beam slightly more to the left
so the light that shoots far up into the sky is the animals migrating to orbit, while the other one that stops in the clouds it the one shooting from the fractured diamond
idk if this is new news but i just learned it myself sorry for flooding the channel
Why are there giant animal bones in golden wasteland and hidden forest...what creatures are they from?
The ones in forest are probably the giant fish/whales from what ive heard
Where do these giant whales live? I don't think I've seen any creatures shaped like that....
@urban sparrow remmber the noes in begining fo wasteland and the caverns?
Giant animals don't seem to be in any wall drawings...
Ok
Photo by Dam Fly
Thatd da whale
@urban sparrow hope i helped, Iāll be off then



we call them whales
many people think that the bones in forest and wasteland belong to them
Ah, I thought that was a mummy dragon
wasn't it...breaking the buildings during the end of eden? 
it sure was
So...is it bad?
It also appears on the way to golden wasteland...very interesting...
one theory going around is that whales aren't inherently light nor dark creatures
but rather something different, like a neutral entity
Are they the same bones as on the second last level of vault?
the bones in vault dont have a skull, so im not sure
Ohh
Some sort of support to the not dark not light theory is that some people(including myself) have actually been able to bump into the whales
While light creatures usually heal, the whale actually causes damage
Despite looking like a light creature
@queen loom I discussed this a while back but
What happens when u hit a wall rlly hard when u are flying rlly fast?
U lose light
U can see the whale even ascending to orbit, something dark creatures canāt do
And hereās another way of looking at it, the whale is moving at full force and about to break a huge building in front of you, if u get in the way, donāt u think u will get hurt and lose light?
Iāll explain it even better
Letās say thereās a huge truck going 70 mph and u decided to get in the way and run right in front of it. Now ur badly injured, is it rlly the trucks fault and does this make the truck evil? Or is it ur fault for going up to it
The only way to get hurt by the whale is to purposely fly right into it
The whale has no intentions of taking light away
theyāre definitely friendly, id just say the poor guys size has made them an easy target for darkness : (
no

Totally different body totally different species, whales have flesh and bone, their head donāt match and krills donāt even have a skeleton
Itās evening for me
Iāll explain it even better
Letās say thereās a huge truck going 70 mph and u decided to get in the way and run right in front of it. Now ur badly injured, is it rlly the trucks fault and does this make the truck evil? Or is it ur fault for going up to it
@sly kestrel furthermore whale is crashing against a manmade thing... something there isn't exist in nature by itself.
Krills donāt have a skeleton? Hmmi always thought they did
Krills totally look like whales with plated armor tho
Krill is a type of shrimp no?
I shall now henceforth be known as uber lol
Are they dark dragons or krill Iāve seen both?
Whales might just be light dragons then
Theyāre not build like western dragons but they look kinda similar to the more serpentine eastern dragons
it looks like a eel
IKR
I love that they chose sea creatures to compose part of the fauna, this antithesis is poetic.

Big words
lol yeah
taking sea creatures and using them as flying creatures is actually incredible
It's fantastic!
Does it means that whole "Sky Kingdom" is underwater? Like in spongebob 
Just smth tgc does like in journey
they chose to use sea creatures because they were easier to animate iirc
True it is hard to rig birds and such
why are we doing what we do on the game?
collecting winged light, going to eye of eden, giving them away, and rebirthing
Our mission was to save the elders
And the reason why we die over and over is jus for the sake of repeatability
so there's no in-game explanation for the rebirthing thing?
I mean the krill is on a simple curve deformation curve ginsy so I agree
U guys can theorize but in my opinion, krills jus arenāt related to being corrupted whales at all, they are 2 different creatures and Iām confused how they will ever be the same, corrupted or not
so there's no in-game explanation for the rebirthing thing?
@cobalt iris im sure there is, theres cutscenes for it and everything. we just arent sure for what reason though
i believe we once even theorized about hopping parallel universes every time we rebirth
anything is fair game
I was doing some late-night thinking and remembered I read that most light creatures were born from clouds, somewhere.
If the elders are using light creatures as fuel for their diamonds (butterflies for example) could the Eden diamond be their attempt at creating a raw energy source, that produces light just like clouds, but failed?
And that could be why the Eden diamond is kinda wonky 
actually i think we've been along this train of thought before 
I'm jumping on the 'Eden diamond is a failed cloud replica" bandwagon then 

the intro seems to suggest that after the explosion in eden clouds spread through the land too
Compressed clouds hUh
compressed?
Like
A bunch of clouds, all smooshed together inside the diamond
And then it cracks
And wooosh there they go, as strong wind, bcz of pressure

Ok yeah Iām jumping on this bandwagon as well
Seems interesting
Oh and lore peeps, while youāre at it, whatās the lore on the crying spirit?
The search tool is cute and useful
we got cute stories like the hero stance and then theres the crying spirit..... literally on 2 opposite ends of the spectrum
Oh yea the hero stance story was cute
so darkness was always meant to prey upon light
Spooky though if it was added
yea im glad we got these plants instead
they were really gonna go for the spooky factor with these concepts
ig they were like "wait we have kids as our audience too"
I kinda wonder what sky would have been like if they kept the āadultā aspects of the game
I kinda wish that could be like
A DLC or something
Getting to experience the fear...the story...etc.,
it cool to imagine that the parts of sky we experience are just a small part of the earth that sky people live on
who knows, maybe a worse darkness lies on the other side of the world
i would LOOOVE to see those gigantic scrapped krill
The what
Thatās terrifying, thank you
no problem, if i had to see it you did too
It looks like Sky was gonna be a horror game at first ngl
Even the concepts for the Elders were freaky....
omg..... the devs would make a killer horror game !!!
it.. honestly does
could you imagine
what life would be like if we didnt have these cute emojis
Nuuuuuuuu
but instead people making fluffy versions of those beasts
I wanna draw that now
A buncha skykids relaxing on the back of one of those big bois
I think wasteland is the leftovers of that horror game they were about to make tbh
I think itād be cooler if the realms slowly decayed as you went on...starting full of life and ending overrun by darkness
we were given the vault to prepare us for the darkness of eden 
seasons adds on to the story of the game
in my point of view, the sky kingdom slowly gets more corrupt with darkness as they add more areas
could you provide example ginsy? sorry i literally joined mid enchantment
alright so basically i joined when sky was a month old, so ive seen a lot of area changes for the past seasons
ill use belonging as an example because that season gave us MANY new areas,
- the underground cave in forest
- the maze in the valley temple
- crab roast in wasteland
- the archives in vault
of all the realms before belonging, valley was the only realm with NO DARKNESS at all. even isle has a little darkness, hidden under the temple
then belonging added the temple maze and we have crabs and darkness plants
with every update to the game, it updates the state of the kingdom. its (usually) slowly adding more darkness to each realm, even if its just a little
oh that makes more sense now
mhm
Well I kinda understand why crabs were there
In my view, crabs are like spiders, and they are usually in dark abandoned places. So it would make sense why crabs were able to get in the valley storage room
ginsy were you around when eden was ||still survivable?|| i ve heard about an old version of eden where you could
it looks kinda fluffy
and the ark was added this season, even though its pretty amazing to see life bloom in wasteland, thereās still dark plants in the area. the magic they used primarily only affected the area around the ark, not the entire area
its most likely for game development reasons but
i think id be more scared if it was the krill we had now but with the teeth of the old concept
lorewise even with the magic we saw in the enchantment spirits its not enough to completely heal wasteland
Back then they were jus like
āCreatures
ā
i mean they definitely planned to add a big dark creature in game, even if it wasnt... THAT
much like the whale
lorewise even with the magic we saw in the enchantment spirits its not enough to completely heal wasteland
@spring blaze that's really sad.. i actually came on here to discuss theories about the ark but it seems like everyone's already figured it out
Have u seen the giant list of potential creatures they had....crazy stuff man
I woulda LOVed it š
we accept new theories jello
yeah jello as long as you can back it up any theory is plausible
But a lot of ppl are still terrified of krill so I doubt they will add more š
concept arts or not
mine's anything but new š i just came here with the adrenaline thinking "OMG I FIGURED IT OUT"
but i think it was pretty obvious
i was just oblivious š
i mean you can still share!
Hmmm not rlly, it took me a lot of evidence and thinking to get my theory but yesss share urs
even if its possibly not possble, any theories welcome
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i think they were travelling spirits..? in the first illustrations, they were seen with umbrellas, and they looked like they were facing different weathers
i mean
i mean they definitely travelled 
not travelling spirits, but a travelling agricultural tribe
a small tribe of light people who were merchants
mhm go on i m curious...
and they looked like they were manufacturing their products well
so they decided to sell their products around the word since the next illustration was them having magical products
oo ive never heard of this sort of point of view
the theories i always hear is mostly around scholars using magic because of their hat (the pointy thing on their heads)
but them selling it would actually make sense? or delivering it around
Yea this one is different
and the next illustrations there were lots of drawings of clouds and wind, and i think because of that they lost control of the ship and they lost their way
i m learning so much from this convo 
Quick pointer
In the beginning of the season, it said that these spirits were seeking prosperity
krillk
the krill wrecked their ship
So is that why there are so many wrecked ships in Isle and Prarie?
financial or academical success, so it works either way
and the in the next illustrations, there was just wind and clouds,i think this highlights the 'forgotten' part
i think when they crashed they tried to form agriculture to survive, hence the farm area
well from what ive seen i think the isle boats were like cargo boats?
they could have been from the same fleet?
the laugh spiritās memory in prairie shows a boat like the isle boats carrying pots up to the temple
Ehhh not rlly
Isle and praire had boats long before wasteland was even built
so i was wondering, well why didnt they just fixed their boat? i think they tried to
i think the crab cave on the right was supposed to be a mine
i think they were trying to mine for materials to fix their ship
me too actually
its too tunnelly for it to be natural
but the crabs scared them off
plus its confirmed spirits mined at least
they were stuck š© they didnt know where to go and no one knew where they were, they were just eventually forgotten
this game wild yo
Well their ship was deep in the sand, and it didnāt look much repairable
I donāt think they had any other choice other than to adapt to their environment and make a living on the hidden island
aaaahhh that makes quite a bit of sense
and the magic thing i read a whole ago made me realize they couldve used their "products'" to make the island habitable but it wasnt enough..
yeah on the surface the game is pretty innocent with a deep message but the lore is very very... deep
that's so sad
i mean that could be just part of the 'forgotten' part of 'forgotten ark' since it looked like the sand blew over it
i think the smaller ships by the forgotten ark area was their fleet
meaning there were more people than the spirits we relieve in the season
aka more dead bodies we dont see
i always wondered what the krill at the boat area was doing, it was most definitely the same krill that wrecked their ship
i do remember seeing a mural somewhere of a large fleet and each boat was carrying a light
But with all the tents, flags, and stuff maybe the Forgotten Ark area was maybe a dock? And when the storm hit they were stranded?
aka more dead bodies we dont see
In my view I think that island was discovered before by other boats, a lot of them look far different from the ones in the mural
So I always assumed there were maybe some others who discovered the island
we dont see much of a dock
no... wait, my idea doesn't fit with the murals
Or maybe some others who came to the island and they suffered the same fate and got stuck like them
i think theyre just a bunch of scholars trying to spread the magic throughout the kingdom and tragedy struck
In my view I think that island was discovered before by other boats, a lot of them look far different from the ones in the mural
So I always assumed there were maybe some others who discovered the island
@sly kestrel this can also work, since the other boats were more buried than theirs
i feel like both the scholar and the merchant theory work 
that krill wins the meanest krill in the game title 
im kinda curious on the boat we take to go to the forgotten ark
it really reminds me of the isle and prairie boats no?
also you can call me cambion or miles
like from the murals it looks like it was the scholars that was carrying the magic, but where were they taking it? bringing it around the kingdom to sell/give away
yes! the boats from the isle
since it's a different light people tribe, i think OUR tribe just discovered their ship and we can now re*live their memories
i think it's also a way to give the ark spirits freedom..
that's my theory at least
With the krill roaming around the exit, I donāt think any boat was able to escape
But somehow our lil tour boat got smart and decided to float beneath the mountain where we can travel back and forth without being caught
it sort of is in a way jello, giving them freedom
do the separate boat types relate to the shields or am i looking too far into this?
with normal spirits, we sit at a temple so they ascend back to the sky
we also see the seasonal spirits in orbit too
so theyāre finally back in space
the boat designs are one of the reasons I think it's a different tribe
miles i wouldnt be surpised if boats represent different roles
The main purpose was for pot cargo
But I believe there were other different boats for different purposes
Remember the salute spirit
yeah
oh yeah there was an isle boat lodged into the shipwreck upper deck
but those were like emergency boats we see on irl ships
the
D E A D B O D Y B O A T 
i heard ifyoure lucky you would be able to ride the salute boat 
its obvious that sky had way more spirits than the spirits we relieved, so theres many untold stories too
lorewise iād say prairie has the best spirit cutscenes because it showed a lot of their day to day lives
this game is amazing 
They were happy.....š
man they were happy

also did anyone else had the forest temple vibes when they visit the wasteland?
like the first room with the krill?
definitely
its practically the same place but broken and dirty
yeah
that's why i thought we mightve just been visiting the same places but in different times
thereās definitely theories on that
i was trying to think since the forest temple was gated to lead to the civilization maybe the graveyard and battlefield were also another great civilization tho there are probably theories on that
im on the āthe realms coexisted/are separete realmsā side though 
i really wanna know more about the battle in waste
the common theory was a civil war
can you explain @spring blaze ?
thereās that huge battle scene in front of the wasteland temple
2 shields, 2 weapons, barricades placed
i want to know more about it but the evidence sort of threw people off
i feel like it wasn t civil war per se but competition for resources since that place seems to be really industrialized
idk honestly i just pick up any evidence i can
i thought so too until i found this channel
from the barricades on the ground i doubt the attacked krills
that's a very good observation..
also there doesnt seem to be much aerial damage on the temple itself
but maybe they didnt know how to fight it off?
i mean its still intact inside
hmm.. why do you think krills eventually took over the place?
do you think the krills may be some sort of weapon from the opposing side?
i mean the krills gives me helicopter vibes
helicopter?
the krills do seem to be organic in the sense that whales are, but they do obviously emit more mechanical vibes almost as if someone strapped armor or a machine onto it
like those patrol/police helicopters with the spotlight (ex. chasing a car)
i think i know what to draw next...
if that makes sense???
ive always thought they were watch dogs or gatekeepers
devs said all creatures are natural but the krils gives me helicopter vibes
they sound mechanical, they patrol in a certain route, that spotlight
jello i thought so too but it also looks like they attacked the spirits from both the enchantment and regular tribes
i really want to get up close to a krill and record some sounds, it sounds like they have a lot of layers
like sound file layers
do you guys have theories about the valley? i dont read a lot of those and i honestly dont know what to think of them
they just looked like a kingdom who enjoyed sports?
in the concept arts valley was considered the capital
the only part i think of when i think of valley is the elder, but i have a few
oh i thought eden was the capital, or was that the scrapped timeline
do you think the valley castles looks like the one at eden??
here
ive never paid attention to eden since i m too busy dying but i feel like it does resemble it a bit
if u zoom the text under sunset you see capital
i still think valley is the capital of the kingdom
i agree that at the current state of the kingdom it is
and since its all shiny and sparkly and fun, im guessing its the more non-serious, funner side of the kingdom
it seems like it
like its focused on athletics, while the ofher realms focused on producing something
valley is more of the city than anything
i find it hard to believe it s a city really it doesn t look like there were many living/house structures
also did anyone else had the forest temple vibes when they visit the wasteland?
@late sierra thats bc they are both diamond factories !!
and of course i have no idea what any of the diamond theories are 
And temples arenāt rlly temples the devs explained
They are simply places that are important to that specific elder
yeah i mean temple is another way of saying that really
for lack of a better word
hmmm
i find it hard to believe it s a city really it doesn t look like there were many living/house structures
@unborn fog perhps not a city to live in, but mostly the "king's area"? where people just gather and watch sports or sumn
idk im not creative lmao
that s literally how i see it yeah
Itās a temple for us cuz we meditate there
But it wasnāt built as a temple
Get what Iām sayin?
yup, thanks jay
and when you say diamond are you referring to the diamonds like the ones in the vault elder cutscene
i m sorry i m new to lore
im new too so i have a lot questions zbzjdj
newbies unite 
oh ginsy is the housing like the terrace stuff on the sides of the flying race
also what purpose does the citadel have since it s just like globes and things
oh i answered my own question
looks pretty similar to what we have now too
Itās an enormous armillary sphere that the scholars used to study the night sky
reminds me of apartment complexes
Itās an enormous armillary sphere that the scholars used to study the night sky
yep i agree
it's amazing how much work the devs put into this
im surprised it's just a mobile game
Reika made it actually, maybe u should ask her if she pops up again
If ur still concerned about citadel lore
when i first played it, i thought this wouldve maybe been a bigger deal if it was a computer game
they worked ln it for 7 years jello haha
Well the devs even admit that if they were to put this game into console or pc, they would need an upgrade
a lot of heart and soul, blood sweat and tears have been poured into the game
i never heard about the game until i saw atisutori from instagram now i feel like i need to play every day its so beautiful
7 years of scrapped ideas and story concepts
i wish i could donate
the reason its a mobile game in the first place was because nowadays everyone has a phone or a tablet, so its easier to gain more players
i can tell, the game's just spectacular, ive never felt such connection with a game like this before, and ive played a crap ton of games my whole life
the reason its a mobile game in the first place was because nowadays everyone has a phone or a tablet, so its easier to gain more players
that s the problem with increasing platforms, creators have to adapt to the demand
Yea Jenās intention was to make it playable for a family
plus its a game about altruism and connection
Even tho the lore was a bit unclear at first, I will always remember how my first run of eden hit me
jello if you felt that way then it means tgc reached their main focus of the game
Especially the ascension omg I was tearing up 
Even tho the lore was a bit unclear at first, I will always remember how my first run of eden hit me
@sly kestrel literally? xD
oh jesus the puns
I didnāt intend a pun but yea that too
Especially the ascension omg I was tearing up
glad to know i wasn t the only one
Letās not forget the hug!!!
i didnt cry in my first eden run but i felt bad because i had NO idea what me and a friend was walking into
the hug got me
so i warped home
the huggg

and left her alone

Ur different
oh nooooo
yeah that s why i always abandon my friends during the statue part
wAT
we met up eventually but imo i think it wouldve been more impactful if i died alongside her



