lore-discussion-spoilers

[novel kettle]

i started playing in the middle of rhythm

[spring blaze]

i recorded all of this seasons cutscenes though

[novel kettle]

i would love to rewatch the enchantment cutscenes.

did you also get the ones where you give the orb?

[hushed steeple]

Rythm had great clothes

They should make more overalls instead of just pants

[novel kettle]

yeah. i came in the middle of the season and knew very little about it so

i didnt get to buy anything other than a music sheet

[hushed steeple]

:(

I started playing 5 days ago

[spring blaze]

yep noah

[hushed steeple]

Blue dress and red cape would look cool

[spring blaze]

wanna see the orbs?

[hushed steeple]

Like superman

[novel kettle]

it was just more that it could be cool for future players to see if you made it into a youtube video

[spring blaze]

ive suggested for overalls for a while now heh

[novel kettle]

it would be really cool with overalls

[spring blaze]

i'll compile them and make it into a YT vid when the season ends and send it here

[novel kettle]

okidoki

[hushed steeple]

Ok I saw the isle cutscene

I think I understand the significance of a staff

Like when I said that a staff shows an experienced elderly person

The staff shows the first thing a child needs, that is love and support of their parents or guardians

Who are already experienced

[novel kettle]

which makes sense with isle being birth/early childhood

[hushed steeple]

Like in the cutscene, the elder creates a stream of those butterflies or birds

Like he paves a path

That leads upward

Literally, he points the staff in the sky and the birds form a path

[novel kettle]

that could easily symbolize a parental figure helping the kid/baby

[hushed steeple]

Before that, we nod at the elder and the elder nods back, as if nodding like "I'm ready, show the way"

And mind well he just shows us the way, he doesn't take us there,
If he takes up there by himself, that would represent an overbearing parent

Like we have to go there ourselves

[novel kettle]

showing us the way but still let us have our own control over what we do

[hushed steeple]

The staff stands for that I think

Guidance and good parenting

[novel kettle]

wish i had that

[hushed steeple]

One of the biggest part of a child's life

And I think priare cutscene shows us that

The spirit brings all the butterflies into the pot and locks it

Showing that the butterflies is our imagination and thought, and the pot is our mind

And we are overflowing with them

But we have to put a lid on it because we can't let it take over us,

We have to stay in touch with reality

While moderating our imagination

Because the elder is sleeping in the cutscene,

So don't stay in dreamland and come back to reality is what I think of it

[modern grail]

Have anyone catch up with all the new ideas and theories? I heard the old docs on pins are outdated

[novel kettle]

i haven’t really been able to lmao. im just tryna go with the flow.

[opal stag]

heyo! if anyone have the concept art for the elders, @ me <33

[exotic shuttle]

@opal stag there's some elder concept here: https://imgur.com/a/TxQvMHr
and a little more here: https://www.tomzhao.com/sky1

[hushed steeple]

To me, the prairie cutscene is just animal abuse really

Greenpeace would have a field trip knowing the stuff they do to the animals in sky

Idk if im willing to scroll up

Holy moly the concept art is something else

The story of the elders is so interesting to me

I lov the valley ones hahq

[sly kestrel]

HAHAAAA YANKEE WITH NO BRIM

[hollow gazelle]

flying fish penguin 😳

snow flying fish penguin

pengu

[hushed steeple]

...that's called a sparrow, mate

You live in Antarctica or something

[hollow gazelle]

f l y i n g f i s h p e n g u i n

👁️👄👁️

[pale forge]

“flyingfishpenguin” i love that. imma call it that from now on

[heady sequoia]

Hey guys what is beyond the ocean in isle?

[hushed steeple]

The home space

[mystic moat]

There’s water under every area so maybe the home island is on the planet and everything else is in the Sky

[sly kestrel]

This game can’t handle all the realm’s meshes to be in one single place all at once so im pretty sure that’s why they separate them with oceans

[pearl void]

This concept art explained a lot, and solved a lot of the questions too @hollow pier @humble barn

Good to know that they are the same sky manta

[plush moon]

Are they? the calls sound different?

[pearl void]

Maybe their sound change too like their body, if according to the illustration

@opal stag there's some elder concept here: https://imgur.com/a/TxQvMHr
and a little more here: https://www.tomzhao.com/sky1
@exotic shuttle oh btw got that from joshur

[plush moon]

Echolocation? For specific use at night??

[pearl void]

Ohhhh! That is interesting

[plush moon]

It also find it strange how design changes - bc of this their silhouette is different. Why does this design changes and what does it mean?

[humble barn]

I will keep saying this: Because the cosmic mantas aren't real

[exotic shuttle]

i like that theory a lot but i'm not sure if i'd lock it in yet

[plush moon]

True ;-;

I will keep saying this: Because the cosmic mantas aren't real
@humble barn so you think the mantas are virtual?

[humble barn]

it's okay we all have different theories

yes

[plush moon]

So are the islands projections?

[humble barn]

I am not sure, the islands do not disappear when we move to the next floor, while the cosmic creatures do

[plush moon]

Why do you think there are cosmic mantas?

I doubt they are simply fictional "creatures" tho the idea sounds interesting since they have their own skeletons

[humble barn]

someone said it's like museums and I second that

or maybe like virtual zoo

[plush moon]

Well it does store knowledge like a museum but it's different in the fact that it's not a display it's a facility

[humble barn]

Since I believe they are virtual I am more interested in why there are no other cosmic creatures

[pearl void]

I will keep saying this: Because the cosmic mantas aren't real
@humble barn well now with that concept art, it surely aren't

[plush moon]

But it's concept art sure if affrims their existences as not glitches but we can't know for sure if they changed their mind

[humble barn]

like cosmic butterflies, birds, crabs, krill, etc

[pearl void]

or maybe like virtual zoo
@humble barn virtual museum more likely, zoo is housing live animal, museum on the other hand with artifacts and bones

[humble barn]

yeah, the concept supports the idea greatly but is not necessarily a proof

irl many aquarium has bones too

they show us living creatures and their skeletons

[plush moon]

I think it's more like a library - projects are a form of information

[pearl void]

But it's concept art sure if affrims their existences as not glitches but we can't know for sure if they changed their mind
@plush moon well we can only deicde base on what we got at the moment, until there's another source say the opposite

[plush moon]

If they wanted a zoo they would use real creatures...to study their behavior and structure not their own projections

[humble barn]

I think they did

and also made virtual ones in the vault

[pearl void]

If they wanted a zoo they would use real creatures...to study their behavior and structure not their own projections
@plush moon i thibk we got the zoo, the prairie bird nest haha jk

[plush moon]

Supposedly they would know everything about the creatures since they made them

[humble barn]

we have zoo irl but we also have books, movies, and 3D models of animals

[plush moon]

What's the point of keeping them around then?

It doesn't seem they are stored away...more like automatically starting programs

[humble barn]

to show them to people: like museums do

[plush moon]

If they were a model then they are models of real cosmic mantas

But the vault it doesn't seem like an attraction like a museum or zoo it's an enclosed space I bet only reserved for the most esteemed scholars

And there they created artificial environments.as their world

Tbh I think I'm overthinking this I think we can move on from that "why aren't mantas stored away"

If they were a model then they are models of real cosmic mantas
@plush moon but this one seems more relevant

[humble barn]

well I believe they are models of Sky mantas we see in places outside the vault

[plush moon]

Why then do we get a cosmic manta call

[humble barn]

because we only have cosmic mantas there

[cold steppe]

I thought Vault was more of a sealed library to preserve memories

[plush moon]

Yea we were just making analogies and comparisons

[cold steppe]

though the second floor room does look more like a cozy library

since there's a table

[plush moon]

because we only have cosmic mantas there
@humble barn so why do we get different calls if they are meant to be the same

though the second floor room does look more like a cozy library
@cold steppe yes like thats where the spirits lived

[humble barn]

the same reason why we see different mantas though they are meant to be the same

I think the main vault was kind of an open library, maybe not open to all common people but to students

[plush moon]

So you are saying that cosmic mantas and sky mantas have different calls and that they are both mantas but different but the same. I'm confused

[humble barn]

technical limitation

[plush moon]

NOT THIS AGAIN ;-; noo

What's ur proof

[humble barn]

I don't have proof so that's just my theory

[plush moon]

Ah ok

[humble barn]

but if you look around you then you'll get it

[plush moon]

And remember it...

but if you look around you then you'll get it
@humble barn look at what

[humble barn]

anything! your pfp looks like a cat plushie but it's not a real cat right

[plush moon]

I would agree that they were sky mantas bc the projection just makes the transparent but their light design is too different

[sly kestrel]

Jus looking around at the environmental lore in general, not rlly a specific place

[humble barn]

to me they are similar enough but I understand you if you say it's different

[humble barn]

lol

yeah I thought something was wrong

[sly kestrel]

Based on everything I read and watched
Cosmic mantas aren’t even real, it’s something that is meant to signify as a fantasy

Jus like some of the other vault floors

[plush moon]

Vault of knowledge (nonfiction) not fiction

[sly kestrel]

Technically this whole game is fiction, what r u tryna say?

[humble barn]

From Japanese Livestream 3 (not the exact transcription) "The vault itself was a storage of knowledge hidden inside. The new area (Archive) was a highly restricted area."

[plush moon]

I would say that tho it is fiction it is not random there is logic

[humble barn]

so we can say based on canon the cosmic mantas are knowledge

[sly kestrel]

The whole base of it was to make it like a dream or something that isn’t entirely real

What I read is that the scholar’s found knowledge was kept in the lanterns and the whole process of the vault level is supposed to be knowledge for US

[plush moon]

I know but it can also be interpreted that they wanted the atmosphere to be dream like to fit with the theme of the vault (projections and virtual tech). It doesn't mean that the vault doesn't exist and that it wasn't real

[humble barn]

cosmic mantas are truly dreamy

[plush moon]

Then why are scholars and spirits there. It's an actual place

[sly kestrel]

I didn’t say it wasn’t real

Jus some of the stuff there

[humble barn]

The growing trees are dreamy too

they grow when we light candles

[plush moon]

So the mantas are knowledge, so they're prob real creatures. That doesnt mean they aren't projections

[sly kestrel]

Atlas said that the process of the vault level with the elevator and the realm symbolism was to show us skykids knowledge
So what we experienced in vault was for us, and something to give us perspective. It doesn’t mean the stuff we see(cosmic mantas) are actual physical bodies of knowledge. Knowledge itself was kept inside the lanterns

[plush moon]

The point is to show us knowledge not "fantasy"

[sly kestrel]

Yea

That’s what atlas was trying to do

[plush moon]

Then why do they include fictional creatures alongside that nonfictional knowledge

[humble barn]

they are meant to be real creatures

[sly kestrel]

Well he said it was to give us history of the past and what the spirits did before we venture into the “brutality” of eden
But......I don’t think any of us looked at it like that. So there may be a lot of symbolism we haven’t been able to interpret yet

[humble barn]

I think people just couldn't project the exact copy of mantas

[pearl void]

So you are saying that cosmic mantas and sky mantas have different calls and that they are both mantas but different but the same. I'm confused
@plush moon just drop off the cosmic manta, we should call that sky manta night as the concept art shown

[sly kestrel]

Ye

[humble barn]

cosmic manta is a name used in the game tho

[sly kestrel]

Don’t base everything off of concepts

[humble barn]

we can call them any way we want as long as we know what we are talking about

[plush moon]

I'm so sad

[sly kestrel]

Not everything from there is currently in game
And actually......almost all the concepts are old ideas that never made it in game

[plush moon]

But can I say what I think they are

[pearl void]

Well for me they are manta, regardless

[silent granite]

I'd like to delve really deep into the lore. Is this a good place to start? I've beaten the main story line already.

[sly kestrel]

Go ahead sir

[humble barn]

pins

[silent granite]

Figured as much

[sly kestrel]

Oh wow I totally read that wrong

[humble barn]

me too

ignore mee

[sly kestrel]

I thought u said u had a story to give us 😂
So I was like oh, tell us

[silent granite]

Oh XD

I've been coming up with theories though, so I'll share when I think I have something substantial.

[humble barn]

I thought you were asking "is there a good place to start"

so I said pins

[silent granite]

It's so similar to Journey, I feel like a lot of the core meaning is the same between the two. You know?

[sly kestrel]

Well whenever u wanna present it, feel free to use this chat

[exotic shuttle]

a lot of the emotional beats of the story match journey, but the lore is separate, if you know what i mean

[sly kestrel]

Yk, I feel like one day Mocha is gonna be a shepherd

[pearl void]

we can call them any way we want as long as we know what we are talking about
@humble barn The thing is when it is called cosmic manta, people differentiate it as diffrent than the sky manta, whereas the concept art shows that it is the same sky manta

[sly kestrel]

Also sony and Santa Monica made journey as well so it won’t be easy to jus tie the 2 games together

Pretty sure they would need rights for it

[pearl void]

Don’t base everything off of concepts
@sly kestrel i see it as evidence, like a document present in a trial some sort, so i can't accept that it is just a concept

[humble barn]

well in that case in-game names are preferable rather than concept (might be abandoned) names

Rise of Conceptionism

[plush moon]

so basically it involves the civil war and power diamond production - as the wasteland used elder mantas - vault foreseen the consequences (pollution and war) and tried to find alternatives - they began constructing their own language of life - what they created had the similar properties of mantas but they were man made - they were the cosmic mantas real creatures not simply projections - this progress was made during the war (since the project is time consuming) and they didn't manage to finish it before eden's destruction so we never see these cosmic mantas outside

[humble barn]

or I remember there's an evidence they are not real

[plush moon]

the vault was part of the neutral faction and wanted to resolve the conflict with the compromise with both the light and diamond faction, while eden tried to make a big power diamond as an alternative so that it would act as an eternal power source, removing the need for light creatures - resolving the disunity

[sly kestrel]

Concepts are simply ideas and I’m not saying they aren’t lore relevant but putting old ideas into a new game won’t rlly do anything
For example, the forest elder used to have an umbrella, darkstone used cover all around the world and the king was at the top of the mountain. This obviously isn’t in game, it’s an old idea

Sorry that sent late but king I’m not tryna shut down ur ideas but lore wise, concepts aren’t rlly reliable

[humble barn]

https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/632004389137154048/706775510566436874

@plush moon

this doesn't prove that the cosmic mantas are meant to be mantas, but proves that the cosmic ones aren't "real" in the world of Sky

[pearl void]

Sorry that sent late but king I’m not tryna shut down ur ideas but lore wise, concepts aren’t rlly reliable
@sly kestrel lore wise anything goes i get what you mean, then the lore seekers will never come to a union decision on anything in this game

Now i got some revelation

I'm fine with that

[plush moon]

oof i got lost

true...however despite not being "real" they still manage to give light. so i guess they are projections but still light creatures? like an in between

[humble barn]

what about light projections?

[plush moon]

when we get close to them we are recharged

[humble barn]

yeah maybe because the projections are also made of light technology

the light floor also recharges you in the vault

[plush moon]

but then they are not projections like a figment of light more like a hologram and if they could make these holograms last forever they successfully created their own light creature

and we can see light stored inside them - they are not simply technology or projections - they have their own call they are their own thing

[humble barn]

the lore seekers will never come to a union decision on anything in this game
@pearl void I accept the fact we can't😂

tho I think everybody agrees is wind

[pearl void]

Haha I'm fine with that

[plush moon]

tho it's fun to debate it gets tiring sometimes :I

that's like why fires don't have shadows- our capes are light sources with the light gathered from the winged lights

yea...i have a theory about winged lights but it's kinda ...long

[humble barn]

b4 = water was once of the theories. So we are always looking forward to new additions to the game, which can provide us canon lore and even more mysteries

[sly kestrel]

I figured a lot of stuff out without concepts.....

It’s all about environment seeking

So king....you are
WRONG

[plush moon]

eh we are all soon enough

@humble barn what do u think about my reasoning about the cosmic mantas

[sly kestrel]

I’m kinda curious how these will affect the ark

It’s gonna burn from fire and then come back to life by psychic

[humble barn]

@humble barn what do u think about my reasoning about the cosmic mantas
@plush moon did you see the linked videos I sent? With that proof I am quite sure they are not real creatures. I also think light stored inside them can also be projection

[plush moon]

then how would u define projection? i don't know if there's a place where they are projected from

[humble barn]

maybe the large diamond above the elevator

[plush moon]

but they existed before we lighted up the elevator diamond

[humble barn]

I think they don't

you can't see the cosmic mantas from the third floor, or cosmic whales from the fourth floor

and they disappear when we move up to the next floor

[plush moon]

for the first one it looked more like moving outside render distance for the second one it looks more convincing

[humble barn]

and the mantas on the sixth floor only appear after you reach the floor

[plush moon]

but we don't see the technology in them or a technology that projects it

[humble barn]

yeah the third floor and the fourth floor are technically different areas

[plush moon]

i think that's another detail that should be accounted for with that disappearing thing

[humble barn]

it's hinted in the vault cutscene

and we do see the large diamond working as a projector, if you don't skip the cutscenes in the vault

[plush moon]

i only saw it projecting the constellations?

[humble barn]

yeah

and if I think about it, it's kinda weird they are using that large diamond only to project those simple constellations

[plush moon]

but if we go up one level we don't see it project the creatures..

and then we see them disappear on their own

[humble barn]

one level you mean the second floor?

the second floor is a mystery to me too, it is supposed to be the prairie floor but I see no prairie there except for the constellation

[plush moon]

i just meant using the elevator to go up one level

[humble barn]

we have a diamond under the elevator, I think that's the one used for levitation

the diamond above is really large and even the big flying boat (Ark) didn't need such large diamond to go up

[plush moon]

true...then again the ark is buried...i remember the diamonds would be on the side of the boat not one big one

[humble barn]

yes

well in vault, before we go up, we need to light those lanterns which apparently contain knowledge

those cubes which are stored in the vault like books, in a livestream devs called them projection cubes

we light the projection cubes, and the knowledge inside are transmitted to the large diamond above the elevator

[celest spoke]

Anyone have ideas about that one cluster of petrified plant/fungus things in Forest?

[plush moon]

we light the projection cubes, and the knowledge inside are transmitted to the large diamond above the elevator
@humble barn yes the mural supports it - what is ur opinion on it? like i see the data being transformed into mantas and the mantas seemingly moving away...

[humble barn]

I see mantas being projected from data

[plush moon]

i see the data creating mantas

[humble barn]

yeah, and I am thinking it's virtual and you are thinking it's real

[plush moon]

tbh do u think there's enough evidence to make a conclusion

[humble barn]

b4 I thought it also could be genetic engineering of some kind, scientists making mantas

[plush moon]

like i think the call and the skeleton suports me theory - but i think we need more

[humble barn]

but from vault livestream and such I'm more inclined to think it's virtual

i am now 99% sure it's virtual

[plush moon]

virtual genetic engineering lol

[humble barn]

Anyone have ideas about that one cluster of petrified plant/fungus things in Forest?
@celest spoke I think it's the petrified light fungus but I have no idea why it's petrified

[plush moon]

maybe its bc the tree is dead

[humble barn]

we see some of them in other places too, where we need protection against rain

gamewise it looks like they are placed where players need shelter but should be walking instead of flying

[mossy bay]

Ah has the vault manta theory expanded?

[modern grail]

Is there any meaning behind the mask we wear (mostly being inspired by a certain animals) or is it like that just because it’s cool? 😂 😂 😂

[sly kestrel]

Which masks? There’s a ton

Well the animal masks from the seasons are jus for decoration

But there are meanings behind some masks

[modern grail]

Really? Which ones?

[sly kestrel]

Ahh I don’t have screenshots but in the season of lightseekers, there were masks for the 6 spirits and those masks each had a little message for each realm. The elder masks can be found in some constellations and some have a relative meaning to the realm. The isle mask is a boat, the praire mask is a pot, the forest mask is a diamond, and the wasteland mask is a whale. That’s all I know so far but I’m pretty sure there might be other meanings to some other masks, we jus don’t know em yet

[modern grail]

Ahhhh! I see what you mean by Elder’s Mask now you’ve mentioned it

[wind bone]

Vault elder mask has text I think it’s supposed to represent the memories

“Text”

[mellow musk]

The doors have their equivalent elders on top of them

Like, their most dominant features

[hushed steeple]

I used the move the friend option. How do you get here?

[sly kestrel]

In the sunny forest go to the left to the hollow tree, there should be a rock that requires 2 people to step on it at once. Once u break the rock, u should be there

Also u might have to ask another channel if ur confused. #questions-and-help

[flat flint]

Mmm why did I have a notification on this channel, but if I look at my recent @'s nothing shows up? Was there @ everyone or smth?

[wind bone]

Those are disabled in this server

[flat flint]

So maybe someone @ me accidentally and then deleted it? Could that be why?

[wind bone]

Yeah possibly

[desert sun]

im not gonna lie. the crab hint still haunts me to this day

as in im actually lying awake at night thinking about crabs

[wind bone]

What are your ideas on it

[celest spoke]

Krills mated with boats and crabs are their babies?

[sly kestrel]

Those are ur ideas? 😳

[sinful stratus]

Hello, do skykids eat crabs?

Also, what's the crab roasting thing I keep seeing pictures of? XD

[wind bone]

We don’t eat crabs in canon but the devs made a sticker about it for fun

Like how we have and we can’t do that in game

They also made it so that when you put a crab over the fire it turns red because the community always cooked them as jokes and they took notice of that

[carmine palm]

Oh, that's so cool! I want to try that now

[heady sinew]

I was about to ask Ktjn about the crab walkcycle but I remembered they're not the dev that dropped off the hint lmao

[sly kestrel]

The spirits ate the crab but us skykids are wayyyyy wayy to innocent to eat em. Seraph is right tho, there are jokes and stickers about it but lore wise we don’t eat them

[dull fox]

[plush moon]

The spirits ate the crab but us skykids are wayyyyy wayy to innocent to eat em. Seraph is right tho, there are jokes and stickers about it but lore wise we don’t eat them
@sly kestrel and we don't have mouths

[sly kestrel]

ye

Plus our bodies aren’t made to eat so it’s PhYsicALlY impossible to eat a crab

[spring blaze]

we dont even have a mouth

[thin tide]

no mouth? no problem

stuff your face with pure light

[desert sun]

i never came up with a crab theory actually theres too much to think about

many thoughts head full

[spring blaze]

mm, ash said that the way crabs walk mimic something

[desert sun]

i knowww

thats whats causing me to lose sleep over

[thin tide]

maybe it was to scare them away or to prevoke them?

[wide root]

mm, ash said that the way crabs walk mimic something
@spring blaze it mimics real life crabs

[spring blaze]

probably

[maiden glen]

Did anyone else notice how they pretend to be rocks before you walk near them
It’s especially obvious in Ark

[spring blaze]

ya

[cold steppe]

yeah

[wanton wagon]

my theory is um they werent cooking the crabs for consumption, rather to test and see if the darkness sludge you see on them could be burned away like the darkness plants

[celest spoke]

Their eyes are still glowing as they krabob around and around

[uneven sonnet]

Spirit want to be crab so he did crab

[desert sun]

my theory is um they werent cooking the crabs for consumption, rather to test and see if the darkness sludge you see on them could be burned away like the darkness plants
@wanton wagon i like that idea!

[wanton wagon]

❤️

[hushed steeple]

Crabs are the one that burries the arks in forbidden ark

maybe

[wanton wagon]

thats a lot of crab power

[novel wedge]

Since I was asked to go here, what are the deal with the dragons?

Or krill things

[desert sun]

oh, @novel wedge we are unsure about the origins of those! we theorize a lot over where everything has come from but we have no solid concrete proof yet

so if you have an idea or theory youre welcome to share

[pseudo leaf]

Haha when I saw cave drawings near Ark I thought maybe crabs were used to move pots to boats or wherever. I don’t know why. They have a drawing in caves with crabs and pots.

What is the crab theory mentioned?

Or crab hint?

[sly kestrel]

Scroll up a bit

[wintry island]

Anyone have any idea why there are birds flying into a pipe in Eden?

[past timber]

what if crabs were just baby krill

that's why krill attack sky kids cause people kept trying to cook crabs lol

[brazen solstice]

Follow the light... i guess

[heady sequoia]

Hmm

XD

[ashen storm]

Anyone have any idea why there are birds flying into a pipe in Eden?
@wintry island wow ure so tall

[hushed steeple]

Maybe those seasonal spirits travel using the giant ark, and they were attacked by krills that broke it apart

[heady sequoia]

That is pretty much it

[cold steppe]

@wintry island the theory is that all creatures are trying to return to orbit (maybe even the megabird)

[vast nova]

Sorry for the dumb question but what was the purpose of the ray getting killed in front of the player at the entrance towards GW?

A demonstration or somefin?

[tawdry star]

@vast nova as a new player this is the first time you come in contact with dark dragons and what they do. It is to demonstrate what they do and that they equal danger!

[vast nova]

Ohh

Thanks :"D

[tawdry star]

Just my assumption but it makes a lot of sense to me from the game designer point of view 😁

[cold steppe]

no, you're correct

funny story is that I didn't know it was targeting a manta until I joined here (3 months later) because it krilled a player my first time in Wasteland

[tawdry star]

There is this quest to save a manta from darkness, remember? First time I had this quest I thought I had to attract the dark dragon away from the manta there xD

[night sleet]

You know the dot in the middle of all skykids chest? What is that

[lilac stone]

Their lifeforce

It it the very thing that powers their cape

[night sleet]

Oh okay

Hm

So that’s where all the light goes?

[heady sinew]

Yeah, like a little core, if you look at the animation where they put away a candle you can see it being stored in the little white dot

[night sleet]

Okay thanks

[daring barn]

Hi-

Anyone have a theory of what's happening in Sky?

Where did the s go?

[hushed steeple]

There’s rly too much going on in Sky to summarize

If you haven’t already checked the pins I’d go there, they have a ton of useful info

[frosty moss]

Has anyone else pondered about the trail of sparks sky kids leave behind as they run around?

[daring barn]

I-

They do?

I thought it's cause of spells

[frosty moss]

Well I mean the spells do cause glow particles, but what I mean is that if you just run even without the spell activated, you leave grass/sand particles in your wake depending on the terrain, but you also leave white particles that look like sparks to me

actually they don't really show up so well in lighter areas and grass but I think that's just cuz the colors are too similar.

and you get larger spark bursts when you hop

Look closely at the feet

[dull fox]

Those sparks might be like pieces of the sky kid themselves like how the dark dragon is constantly dropping flakes of nasty. Since our appearance is something that can change frequently, and is something that needs light in order to exist it’s possible that the sparks are just our light dropping off of us

[novel kettle]

or maybe the small bit of actual solid matter hitting the floor and making sparks. assuming from the shadows that cape and hair and accessories are of light it would make sense if it was some kind of solid matter like stone or something against the surface

[dull fox]

Yeah

Also anyone notice how many graves are next to the crashed ship in the wasteland?

[wintry island]

@wintry island the theory is that all creatures are trying to return to orbit (maybe even the megabird)
@cold steppe

but it feels a little strange that they fly specifically into a pipe and not taking a similar path that we take. Also it’s only birds, not butterflies or mantas or anything :/

@wintry island wow ure so tall
@ashen storm

Lmao ye I have 2nd tallest height currently

[cold steppe]

might be safer for them

or faster

[wintry island]

I might go to Eden again to double check if anything

But ye, maybe

[celest spoke]

hm... are birds the only naturally occuring creatures of light and the others were created? is the red Eden diamond somekinda fusion reactor automating bird coversion into megamantas? where do all those mantas GO after we skip up into orbit?

[sly kestrel]

Looking at how power diamonds are made, I used to have a theory that those birds are constantly feeding the eden diamond and that’s how it’s not gone yet. Think about it, the diamond is continuously spewing out pieces of itself, and the sky world is years and years and years old. Don’t u think that if it is constantly taking pieces out of itself it would be gone now. That’s how I came up with the theory that those birds in the pipe are constantly giving the diamond energy. There was another theory that someone had saying that the birds used the pipe to have a safe journey through eden to go to orbit

[wintry island]

Ohhh that makes a lot of sense, thank u

[novel kettle]

can someone explain the megabird to me? cuz im confused-

and ping me when you do cuz i have notifs off

[sly kestrel]

It’s actually kinda hard to explain tbh

Since the megabird is an old concept and the idea of her has been changed over and over again

[spring blaze]

i‘m on the “birds using pipes to fly safely to eden” theory side

[ashen storm]

@ashen storm

Lmao ye I have 2nd tallest height currently
@wintry island it suits u, u look priti 🥺

[wintry island]

@ashen storm aww thank u 🥺

[sinful stratus]

I have a theory to share but it might be stupid because I don't know much lore anyway

[heady sinew]

Any theory is welcome!

[sinful stratus]

What if the krills are manufactured to attack the mantas for making diamonds? ;_;

[hushed steeple]

That actually is an interesting theory, they do sound rather metallic or smth

[dull fox]

Some person who works at thatgamecompany, I’m not sure who, said that the krill are naturally occurring animals.

[heady sinew]

They might have been trained for that tho, if they're not machines. So the theory still works someway

[dull fox]

It also seems that they attacked the previous inhabitants of the world so I doubt someone would’ve been able to train them since they seem to about as hostile as the real life mantis shrimp

[hushed steeple]

They attacked?!

[heady sinew]

I forgot mantis shrimp existed,,, now it all makes sense

[dull fox]

The people in the arc probably got krilled as well as the people in the crashed boat In the wasteland

[hushed steeple]

There’s a structure in the shipwreck area

It’s like two things with a crashed boat between them

And in the spirit memory of the salute spirit the boat is headed right towards there

[dull fox]

They probably got attacked by the dark dragon that lives there now

[night sleet]

Yeah

So maybe some of them got krilled

[sinful stratus]

Oof

They might be naturally occurring, although the lights don't seem organic, it might just be for the game mechanic

[night sleet]

Yeah, but I still think that krills are either hybrids or machine made

[sinful stratus]

I'm so curious about sky lore ;o;

[night sleet]

Yes

Mostly about the dark creatures

[sinful stratus]

Yeah

[sly kestrel]

Mantas didn’t make power diamonds

But since they are made of light, ig u could theorize on it

[sinful stratus]

I'm not sure about anything haha just basing stuff on the things I read here

Some people were talking about how mantas are locked in forest temple

Also, why do some mantas look different

[dull fox]

The light is probably just a game mechanic. Aside from that the krill are completely biological creatures that naturally exist

[sinful stratus]

Some are brown and non glowy, some and glowy and the prairie ones are white and gold

[sly kestrel]

Whether ur theory is canon or not
Ur allowed to say anything u want here

Wait what

Brown mantas?

[sinful stratus]

Yes

Aren't the mantas locked in forest temple brown?

[sly kestrel]

No I don’t think so

[sinful stratus]

Oof

[sly kestrel]

And i don’t think any mantas are locked up....

[sinful stratus]

When you pray on the forest temple yk

The gates open and mantas come out

[sly kestrel]

Windows open and mantas come out but if u go outside u won’t see any type of prison of any mantas

[sinful stratus]

Interesting 👀

[sly kestrel]

Idk what u guys are seeing but imma go check again

[sinful stratus]

I have never walked around the temple

[spring blaze]

@hushed steeple late but this one?

[hushed steeple]

Yep!

So their boat crashed into that structure or smth?

[spring blaze]

i always assumed them as rocks but theyre the only structure i see around that sea area

and its so close to the og boat too

the way the rocks are positioned imo it looked like it shot straight out of the ground to target that boat

hence why its the only rocks you see that are placed like that.

[sly kestrel]

I got darkstone vibes from old beta and ur right
I always thought those rocks were put there unnaturally

[still sage]

hi I'm new here and don't want to intrude, but going off of the krill discussion earlier, if we assume the krill were not created, then it's odd because every other biological animal interacts positively with the player. If we go off the megabird theory, the biological creatures and the player are both creations of the same thing, and they share its light. However the krill have neither of those characteristics. Which then adds to their canon name - Dark Dragon(s). There would be no need for a specification of Dark dragon unless there also existed the potential for a Light dragon. Then there are the crabs - the only other creatures with a negative reaction to the player. They, like the krill appear predominantly in Wasteland and Eden - the most corrupted areas. So can we assume the krill were not always belligerent/corrupted?

[sonic urchin]

That seems to be the general agreement here. That the krill were created somehow, or became hostile for other reasons

[still sage]

cool

[spring blaze]

i always assumed that the whale ingame was the light dragon

[still sage]

it'd be interesting to see if perhaps the whales and precursor krill were related at all

[mossy bay]

So I got a little bored and started sniffing around in gw and found something.. the statues guarding the entrance to the factory / temple are holding spears with what appears to be very tiny inscribed binary 🧐

[plush moon]

Can this be related to the code we see in the vault mural?

[mossy bay]

That’s what I thought

What if they found a way to animate the dark stone? Use the stone guards as protectors and fighters?

I looked inside and the fallen statues had other markings on them but they could mean nothing

[plush moon]

Dark stones .-.?

But if the statues were animated then it would not be on the spear but on them?

[mossy bay]

These markings where on them

The power diamond is made from some form of stone, no?

[plush moon]

Stone and light

What did u mean by dark stone?

Nm

End me

[mossy bay]

Well all the buildings and tools seem to be made from the same material I’ve just been calling it dark stone

[plush moon]

I thought u meant the dark stone of the concept art ;-;

[mossy bay]

It even seems that we are made from it

[plush moon]

True...

So what do u think they were protecting or fighting

They don't seem very damaged

[mossy bay]

I probably did get it from tomcept I jumped on the page to see if I could find anything 😂

Either protecting the power diamond factory

[plush moon]

So the factory was attacked?

[mossy bay]

Or aiding the gw elder in battle. In the vault mural the gw elder is steering a group of soldier’s. They look comparable to his size and also the weapons lodged around the map stuck in the sand seem too large to be held by the normal sized spirits

[plush moon]

Hmm we don't see statue remains....

[mossy bay]

I’m not sure if the factory was the main focus of an attack but there was definitely some form of conflict in the area

You’re right there aren’t any but who knows what lies beneath the sand or the murky waters

[plush moon]

Do u remember the wasteland mural? Weren't there soldiers behind him?

You’re right there aren’t any but who knows what lies beneath the sand or the murky warters
@mossy bay i don't think that the devs would be so concealing of it

[still sage]

I've always thought the fighting that broke out was a civil war

it would fit with the whole hubris theme of the game

or perhaps a revolution. either way someone got too power hungry and it all collapsed under itself

either way, if there is conflict of that scale an elder would have to be involved

[mossy bay]

Mmm, the mural in the vault sort of suggests that the elder was involved

Who would have been strong enough to oppose the elder?

[swift hearth]

not really a lore but i was flying through orbit and watching the groups of skykids holding hands

and it just reminded me of the fact that, in space, it’s far more common to find systems of several stars instead of just one like our sun

i thought it was neat :^

[hexed leaf]

So
Any ideas about the Factory-like place when you look left in wasteland first area after the storm

Cuz it looks so cool from a far

[sly kestrel]

That mark thing u were talking about, I actually found a bunch more and I went on ur lead about it being symbols or transcribed letters but after a while I began to believe it’s jus a textural bug. I’m glad I wasn’t the only one who thought this 😅, but yea I gave up after a while. If u want me to send em all to you anyway, I will

[still sage]

do you think perhaps there were several languages?

and the code thing was another language

or perhaps their version of code

[sly kestrel]

The only text or language I know is the symbols at early civilization (prairie and isle)
And the text they used for vault

On vault, there was the head plate with the text on it and on the vault mural

[mental narwhal]

I feel like the krill aren't... like... natural. Like I get mechanical vibes from them, like they were built to monitor places like they do

[thin tide]

but things went South™️

[hallow cairn]

And now they murder

Oooh sorta like guardians for BotW?

[cold steppe]

they do feel mechanical, but the devs mentioned that light and dark are both natural, so I think krill are natural (and invasive, unless the spirits were invasive into krill territory)

[hallow cairn]

Ah

[hushed steeple]

Do u guys know wut this is ?

[wind bone]

Looks like a corrupted manta

[hushed steeple]

I jst saw it on a utub vid

[wind bone]

Where’d you get this

[hushed steeple]

Utub

[wind bone]

Ok but

Who

[hushed steeple]

Do i link here

?

[wind bone]

Just say who posted it

[hushed steeple]

Oki

[sly kestrel]

Pretty sure that’s from vi thai.....

[hushed steeple]

Yeees

[sly kestrel]

If it is, please remove it

[wind bone]

That person is a hacker

[sly kestrel]

He is a known hacker

[hushed steeple]

Holy shrimp

I was looking for coffin music to learn hhhhh

[wind bone]

F

[hushed steeple]

F

[sly kestrel]

🇫

[night sleet]

they do feel mechanical, but the devs mentioned that light and dark are both natural, so I think krill are natural (and invasive, unless the spirits were invasive into krill territory)
@cold steppe I think that if they’re natural, it was probably the spirits who did the invading

[primal peak]

how did the sky elders lose the lights

game lore just made them fall from the sky

then the elders grew old and useless, so they sent a child to fetch

[rapid horizon]

Is there some sorta symbolism behind the fact eden looks more industrialized?

[primal peak]

eden might be the old sky city

it’s after the vault of knowledge, and the vault heads upwards

[undone ocean]

Owo

I thought the elders we like... Dead

[rapid horizon]

Old sky city?

Geez. I have a lot to catch up on lore

wrong channel?

[night sleet]

Neope

This is the one

For lore

[wide root]

Why those things exist?

They can’t be taken

[sly kestrel]

It’s something old from the season of lightseekers

Nothing much to speculate on, lore wise we don’t have any clues

[wide root]

...

[dull fox]

Anyone ever wonder what’s under the clouds? Like we know there’s an ocean, but what’s under all the clouds as you make your way up the island?

[heady sinew]

More clouds

Probably rocky formations??

Unless there's also hidden broken buildings

But oob screenshots don't often show any buildings inside clouds, either because there aren't any lore-wise or because there's really no point in building a 3D structure if it's not gonna be seen

[primal peak]

the game lore is a big scandal, the children of light are sent to die

[heady sinew]

Turns out my joke answer is a real answer

Under the clouds there's,,,, even more clouds

[dull fox]

Wait what’s oob mean

Aaaah

[round river]

That's true...last time i got stuck under the cave (the one that need to go through clouds beside isle temple) and it's just endless clouds

[formal atlas]

idk if its considered lore or not but i got to thinking about the crying spirit in forest, and i realized that it shows two of her friends getting stuck in rocks, and then her and the other friend trying to get it out. she ends up crying alone. In a corner of the cave there is three graves, but not four. I think she buried her friends and then died alone in there, but there is a hole in the top that has a few rocks leading up to it that would have been possible to get out of.

[sly kestrel]

It is lore !
U jus figured out the story of the crying spirit
Although, one thing we haven’t rlly considered is that the rock path leading up to the top is how she got out

Here’s one theory I used to have a long time ago
We all know whale crashed into the building on the left of the map and there was a broken tree trail bc of it. Well based on the broken tree trail and the destruction of the building it’s safe to say that the whale’s collapse caused a lot of force on the ground
Well my theory is that this is how the rocks fell on the spirits. When the whale struck the ground there was prolly a huge impact causing a huge shake on the ground or a slight earthquake and bc of this, buildings shook and the rocks in the cave must’ve collapsed bc of it

An even older theory of mine
The stress spirit is seen with a bow and arrow, and after the memory she is seen to have the “oh nooo” or “aww mannn” emote. I used to think that this was bc she accidentally shot the whale causing it to crash

[hushed steeple]

So
Any ideas about the Factory-like place when you look left in wasteland first area after the storm
@hexed leaf I thought it was the temple all along

Hmm there's this still dead/plastic looking manta lying flat on the entrance of the citadel in Valley which I think is a new addition
Anyone knows what it means

[hushed steeple]

Hmmm

What quest I don't see it even though I'm literally standing on it

[flat flint]

@hushed steeple he probably meant it HAD a quest. In beta they used to have a lot of side quests, but they've been scratched ever since

[drowsy spoke]

Maybe the manta died because of the evil that came into the land? I’m not very sure...

[spice kernel]

I’ve noticed that some jars in prairie temple had claw marks

Anything on that?

[oblique sequoia]

Lore stuff ?

Maybe a krill ?

Who knows ?

[night heart]

@sly kestrel are there light rocks/stones in the lore?

Because when revealing that spirit's memories we kinda see three rocks in the middle. And we also see the one in the big cave.

It gives light really fast. I think they were mining this rock in the forest

[sturdy gate]

I believe that’s just a light source stuck in a wall

Bug

[orchid hull]

I believe that’s just a light source stuck in a wall
@sturdy gate did anything else happen there? Cause that place has nothing in it right?

[sturdy gate]

@orchid hull I don’t remember how that place looks like oof

[orchid hull]

All I can remember is the blue lamppost in there and some stairs leading downstairs

[night heart]

Nothing else inside

Didn't see any lightsource that gives light so fast, almost as fast as fire

[orchid hull]

I first thought we had to fly upward but scraped out that idea cuz no butterflies to help

[night heart]

It's strange how empty it is, maybe you go there to see this rock

We also see "light rocks" when revealing the mini cave spirit, before its friends get stuck in rocks

The spirit stands in the middle

[humble barn]

I don't know whether that light stone was a bug or not, but Belonging spirit's memory went into that room. If you wanna check I believe you can find some videos of Season of Belonging on YouTube

[long narwhal]

how can krill be restored to its original form?

[drowsy spoke]

@long narwhal the Krill had an original form? I didn’t know about that!

Just a question ( i[m new to sky so I haven’t really gotten to know the lore well) was the world of sky really pure and good before the darkness invaded? So are crabs and dark dragons actually nice before?

[hushed steeple]

im pretty sure darkness was a natural part of the world, even before the whole destruction thing. that's one of the few confirmed things we know

if ur new to lore don't forget to check out the pins!

[sly kestrel]

As of right now, there is no way to make krill restored to it’s original form dark cosmic and i don’t think it ever had one

[plain imp]

Is the giant skeleton in the hidden forest a krill skeleton?

[sly kestrel]

Nah it’s a whale

Krills are smaller and they don’t have bones

[sinful stratus]

Which creature's skeletons are scattered in the wasteland?

[hushed steeple]

looks like whales to me

[sly kestrel]

We dunno for sure but it’s not jus whales

[hushed steeple]

yeap

[sly kestrel]

Reika made multiple creatures and she used some turtle skulls as a reference

[sinful stratus]

That's cool

And what is the big creature in the top levels of vault?

[hushed steeple]

the large spirit manta thing?

[sinful stratus]

Yeah

The one with like scalloped edge looking sides

It's cute :3

[hushed steeple]

I don't think there's an official name

[sly kestrel]

It had 2 kids

[sinful stratus]

It had kids? :O

[hushed steeple]

Yeah there’s smaller versions of it that you can ride on as well

[blazing terrace]

That’s the cosmic whale

Like cosmic manta

[full owl]

Just read through the docs thing of the theories and all
Wowie

[novel kettle]

ikr

[sly kestrel]

Some of the stuff I said in the doc butter made

Don’t listen to it

It’s jus the stuff I used to think

[elder iron]

i have a theory about why rain makes our cape power go down and now a giant pool of water. idk if someone said this already but i say it anyways :):). So why a pool of water doesn’t hurt us is because we know there is water there and we will be prepared for water to be on us and know where it will be. so i could say to myself “hey there’s a body of water, i want swims, i will be waste deep in water” so ik i be wet by water. With rain you can’t predict where raindrops will fall on you. like if your in a nerf battle lol you can’t predict where the nerf bullet will land on you or even multiple of them. hard to predict where hundreds of drops will land on you and when

[hushed steeple]

That’s a cool theory!

My belief is that the rain is acidic or corrupted in some way due to pollution, eventually after so much acid rain, all the water was affected as well and that’s how the wasteland water was made :p

[wind bone]

If you look at the wasteland water it’s not even water

It sounds thick and looks oily

And it’s the only place where swimming will drain your light

[sly kestrel]

Ur swimming movement is also slowed

[primal peak]

Is the background mountain eden

[wintry island]

Yes

[primal peak]

wow... it’s always so shiny. when u get there it’s total darkness

[sinful stratus]

So true

I want to discuss, what are we(players) in the game?

If we already have a discussion about it, link me please

[inland narwhal]

@primal peak the shiny is the creatures flying up. Which we see in end.

[sly kestrel]

We

Are called

Skykids

[primal peak]

we are moths 😂

and eden is a speck in a huge candle flame

[prisma socket]

Anyone knows when is he next traveling spirit coming by?

[violet night]

!travelingspirits

[pastel brook]

The next Traveling Spirit is scheduled to arrive on May 14 at 00:00 Pacific Time (UTC -7:00)
You can read how Traveling Spirits work here: http://bit.ly/TravelingSpirits

[sly kestrel]

Use #seasons-events-chat to ask

[violet night]

next time, please go to #questions-and-help @prisma socket ^^ this chat is meant for lore

[sly kestrel]

That chat too ^

[pure root]

what if krills r corrupted whales

[ripe cedar]

Angry shrimps

?

[night sleet]

my friend had the same idea. I agree that could be trye

true

[sly kestrel]

I don’t 😕
But if they are, u guys have permission to make fun of me

[acoustic inlet]

This is one of the most intriguing and emblematic places for me. They call it Citadel that means a kind of fortress, but it clearly looks like a orrery because of the amillary spheres. Those spheres could be a kind of weapon or a source of light?

[sly kestrel]

Reika said the scholars would use those armillary spheres to study the sky

Without the armillary spheres it does look like it would be a fortress/citadel
So in my opinion it’s sort of like a cross between a citadel and a place for scholars to use their huge armillary spheres.

The spirits didn’t give much of a story to that place, so it’s hard to tell

[acoustic inlet]

oh thank you

[celest spoke]

...so with the seasonal spirits, do y’all think they’re being presented to us in historical order or reverse order? i.e. were the murals painted last, after the winds died and the water got corrupted? b/c I was thinking about the shrug spirit failing to purify the qanat... or maybe what we’re actually seeing was him corrupting clean water by mistake

[heady sinew]

That makes a lot of sense, actually. We're just rewinding everything with the orbs

That would explain why the Red Orb showed structures with carpets and sticks on the broken ark

And not a hologram of the not-broken version of the ark lol

[drowsy spoke]

@heady sinew That's really cool!

Can someone give me a quick summary of Sky history or something? Like I haven't played Sky for long time and is curious to know about the background and stuff. Like what re the spirits and what the child of light used to be...

[heady sinew]

We don't have anything canon about that yet

[drowsy spoke]

Ooh, okay

[heady sinew]

The latest season shows there's a way to purify stuff at wasteland tho

[drowsy spoke]

Wait really?

[heady sinew]

Yeah! It's really cool, if you need help with the quests go to #seasons-events-chat

[drowsy spoke]

I know that the season of echantment if you find the blue orb the water in the ark gets purified

But is there a way to purify the water in wasteland too?

[heady sinew]

Exactly, we have wind and water so far (red orb is an hologram so it doesn't change much)

Not really

[drowsy spoke]

Like I would love it if I don't have to sludge through oil water

[heady sinew]

The only purified water is the little oasis at the Ark

[drowsy spoke]

Aw man 😩

[heady sinew]

It would take a lot of work to change the whole wasteland (game building-wise). (It would also take away the whole purpose of harsh environment lol)

[drowsy spoke]

So we don't know anything about how the spirits came to Earth, why they are statues, and winged lights?

[heady sinew]

All speculation

[drowsy spoke]

@heady sinew Yeah I get that, I was just hoping for something like rainboots or something like the umbrella in Hidden Forest

[heady sinew]

We do know the Elders fell because "darkness came" thanks to the beginning cutscene

[drowsy spoke]

Yah

[heady sinew]

Rainboots that's really cool!

[winter girder]

I know that the season of echantment if you find the blue orb the water in the ark gets purified
@drowsy spoke but not all the water in Forgotten ark.. there still a water, can hurt us. So im wondering why theres still not clean water.

[drowsy spoke]

@heady sinew Haha thanks

@winter girder Ooh wait whaaaa? I haven't explored ark that much though. I thought that we're fixing the whole thing!

Like we brought wind back to the whole world, right? So aren't we also bringing water to the whole world too?

@hushed steeple Oh so the changes aren't to the whole ark?

Hm, that's a bit confusing though. Is it because we're only fixing the ark itself, and not the whole island place?

Okay, thanks though

Can you tell me a bit about speculation about Sky history?

[winter girder]

@winter girder Ooh wait whaaaa? I haven't explored ark that much though. I thought that we're fixing the whole thing!
@drowsy spoke yep if go and t ake a look.. if u go or fly striaght from the ark to the cave... water are still black and the sky are still green

[drowsy spoke]

@winter girder Aw man

The reason I was asking for the history is because I'm trying to fill a notebook with sky lore and stuff. And I kind of just thought that the history and stuff is common knowledge 😆

[celest spoke]

there’s a huge updraft back in the mushroom corner too tho— used to take 6-8 flaps, now more like 4-6 but possibly drifting sideways

[heady sinew]

Yeah, we do know skykid's job is to help the spirits get back up to the nightsky

[drowsy spoke]

Hm, yeah

So is there a possibility that skykids used to be part of the 'sky' and stuff too? Or were they ordinary kids that just got swept up in this mess?

[celest spoke]

so will the ark area end up showing us what the original unwasted Golden Westland looked like?

[drowsy spoke]

yeah, I think so

I haven't seen the other seasons yet, but do you think that it will slowly all show us what the 'undarkness' times looked like?

Like maybe if one season is in the Forgotten Forest, maybe it'll also show us what it was like before the acid rain

[celest spoke]

sunny forest tho?

[drowsy spoke]

Ooh

Okay nevermind

Maybe Eden then?

[celest spoke]

I keep wondering why the sky race side of Valley is so much more cloudy/destroyed than the snow race side

[drowsy spoke]

There's a snow race side?

Is that in a winter season or something?

[celest spoke]

other gate from the big pond, the one that doesn’t go to citadel

[drowsy spoke]

Ooh ? the constellation gate?

Or the flying gate?

[celest spoke]

ya— if you stop on the shared downslope to stadium, the big gash in the stadium top is also on the left (sky race side)

argh thought I had a pic— the top tier of stadium has a huge chunk missing behind the winged light

so is that related to whatever blasted apart so much of the sky race area

but sliding race structures are relatively intact and not floating in pieces

[drowsy spoke]

But what was it before though? Like were they houses or civilisations?

Was this like a sort of entertainment kind of place where you can race for fun?

I've heard that it used to be a race level

[celest spoke]

my theory is that a lot of the sliding race path was originally a canal or reservoir, based on window/walkway placement

[drowsy spoke]

So maybe it used to be a canal like Kat is saying, and later on it was turned into a race Olympic place

And then maybe the practice died out because of lack of people?

[celest spoke]

why is citadel attached to a sports track tho

[drowsy spoke]

? Yea that's a bit confusing

Maybe it's sort of like, there used to be ancient sky people that use it was whatever they used to use it for, like a cool palace? But then they died out , more sky people came in, and made it into a race track type because why not

[dawn finch]

Is there a forum for oob?

[drowsy spoke]

And then darkness came, civilisation died out, and then we're now exploring it

[dawn finch]

Darn

[drowsy spoke]

Cecilia you can try the finding group place

[primal peak]

do you guys think the darkness are from nature, or is it because of something the sky elders did.

[drowsy spoke]

There can be people that can take you to oob

I think it was something the elders did

[sly kestrel]

They said darkness was always a natural thing in the world, not something the elders did

They may have caused some darkness to spread but like what the devs said, they didn’t start it

[drowsy spoke]

Like as someone said above, maybe one of the elders ended up accidentally polluting the water?

[primal peak]

yea, there are a lot of broken machinery in waste land

[celest spoke]

should we draw any lore connection btw the valley ice lake and the ark area? like did the elders take something to put in valley?

[drowsy spoke]

So is Sky an alternate reality or a distant future?

I personally think that the sky worlds are all pretty connected, so yeah any connection can be true

[primal peak]

artists always make interesting connections😂

[drowsy spoke]

Haha yeah

Woah, really?

[primal peak]

ohhhh, that would actually make sense

[sly kestrel]

That’s the motive for the realms but lore wise, when the ppl made the kingdom, they didn’t have the stages of life in mind

[drowsy spoke]

So was Isle what it used to be like originally? And then Prairie, then Forest...

So Valley is the peak of civilisation, or is Vault?

Wait so the sky world ENDED? Because of Eden?

Does that mean we are like spirit ghosts that came after the world ended?

[celest spoke]

hmm— so does the cyan light’s placement in the map represent a baby’s first breath of life? (wind)

[drowsy spoke]

Will sky kids come to our world if the worldd endd?

[primal peak]

time to rewatch the credits

[celest spoke]

but are crabs natural CRAB CHAT YALL

[sly kestrel]

Valley is the peak of civilization....got that from a dev

Who said they are....

[heady sinew]

Skykids are very much alive if you ask me,,,,

Oh god

[sly kestrel]

Not natural but yes they aren’t ghosts

[primal peak]

skykids are living flames

they can power everything in the game

so are we moving batteries? .-.

[sly kestrel]

Not rlly no

We can spread our light but we aren’t rlly batteries

[celest spoke]

citadel ded bird and boneyard krabob not rechargeable

[sly kestrel]

Even in old concepts and stuff I heard from devs
The main view is that we are “spreading light”

The citadel bird is totally different

Watch sky light awaits

You’ll see what the bird does

[celest spoke]

surf’n’turf 2nd course

[drowsy spoke]

Do you think journey and Sky are int he same universe?

Like sky is what's going on in the sky while journey is what's going on down at Earth

[heady sinew]

I think it was confirmed they weren't related?

[drowsy spoke]

Aw... okay

[frosty citrus]

I heard somewhere that the different worlds in sky correspond to a stage in a human life, so in real life we are all children at heart but in a different stage- interesting to think about

[sly kestrel]

Yep

It was a concept and still is

Isle is birth
Praire is childhood
Forest is teenage days
Valley is adulthood
Wasteland is mid life crisis
Vault is old age or enlightenment
And eden is death

[novel kettle]

you forgot orbit: rebirth

also, mood

[exotic shuttle]

apparently

[novel kettle]

there are some theories of forest and wasteland being the same place or at least close but different time periods. it could be the start of the big pollution of the place. starting with the rain?

just a thought

[sly kestrel]

I think someone got that idea Bc they saw that the forest temple and the second wasteland area look the same

But, I’m pretty sure they are 2 way different buildings

They are jus diamond factories that look the same
And u might wonder why would the forest temple be a factory, well the devs said that the temples aren’t rlly temples at all, they are simply places of importance to that specific elder

So the diamond factory at hidden forest had a lot of significant to forest aunt
And that’s most likely why the shrine was put there

[chilly jewel]

has there been any explainations of what does the jars in vault of knowledge on the shelves contain?

[jovial nacelle]

Knowledge

[hushed steeple]

LMAO

XD they contain recordings of the past of the sky kingdom is what most of the lore people believe

[hollow gazelle]

So rain pouring down on forest isn't exactly acid rain?
@hushed steeple its the feeling when puberty happens to you

[hushed steeple]

oh gawd.. i remember my first period..

[hollow gazelle]

Good lord

Uhhh-

Because

Rain..?

Or

Uuuhhh

Oh u got me

U h

Y e a h

I think-

[zealous shell]

EDEN ROCK RAIN LMAO.

I’m gonna call it that from now on.

[long narwhal]

@sly kestrel@drowsy spoke in the forgotten ark theres a drawing there that shrimp is there and i dont know what it is but... maybe hes pretty good dragon before

[drowsy spoke]

@celest spoke haha relatable

@long narwhal hm, maybe. Not a super knowledgable lore person though.

I saw something about a theory doc above. Is that a thing? If so can someone send it?

[heady sequoia]

Maybe the clay body protects our light from puddles that aint polluted but not rain

[cobalt mortar]

I‘m rather new, but figured the rain is regular and just hurts us because we’re kind of creatures of fire? Which is why standing in a fire pit heals us and stuff?

[heady sequoia]

[cobalt mortar]

But true— pure water seems okay. So maybe we’re happy with other pure elements

[drowsy spoke]

@cobalt mortar it makes sense,

[cobalt mortar]

Which would also be why the fiery Eden Rock Rain hurts us when normal fire heals us.

[drowsy spoke]

It’s like the avatar, we have to be in balance

Pure elements are helpful to us, like pure earth and pure fire and pure water. But unclean elements will harm us, like unclean water and fire

Someone on reddit mentioned that we could be child descendents of the elder spirits, so maybe we’re more sensitive to things

[cobalt mortar]

This is a game about emotion and senstivity in some ways, too, so I buy that. New headcanon achieved!

[cobalt mortar]

Oh wait! Reaading through lore pinned documents, it could be we’re not creatures of fire but rather of light! Light travels through clear, still water well, But rain impedes light (much shorter visibility on rainy days than clear). Fire produces light so is healing.

[drowsy spoke]

Lore documents? Do y0u know where I can find that?

[cobalt mortar]

There are a few pinned posts to this channel: here’s one that’s pretty interesting #lore-discussion-spoilers message

This one has info that’s been confirmed by TGC team, I think? #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[winter girder]

"https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-SOY_5WrhQ2ftVZEM9VMBsz92-n_53kBzQoHKmY2-24" according to what i understand on this document, that every kingdom we have in sky are the same place but different in time. So it means were travelling through time.. I'am correct gahahah😅😅😅🤣🤣

[sly kestrel]

Those are jus our very old theories

Nothing much is confirmed on that doc aden, don’t depend on it

[winter girder]

Hahahah oki 😅😅😅

[jade flume]

Can someone tell me what the heck the red crystals that bonk us in eden are?

I don't get their origins

[wind bone]

I think it’s chunks of the dark crystals that the ancestors were making

If you look at the diamond before you die

It’s exploding for one. But also it’s broken if you get close enough to see

I think that the diamond is exploding and shooting out the small chunks throughout eden

[sly kestrel]

Basically they are fragments of the huge diamond in eden
♦️

[short summit]

Are the elders dead when we meet them? Or ghosties like the spirits

[fleet geyser]

Old Isle looked great

[blazing terrace]

They exist outside of time and space

Or at least they do now

They still have impact on the physical world

I’m not sure if they’re immortal but they’ve always been elders

[acoustic inlet]

That tallest tower in the main temple at the wasteland is the vault?

[sly kestrel]

Nah that’s a different building

[spring blaze]

i think vault is just connected to the waste temple

im curious bout those doors lookin walls in that temple tho

i hope tgc expands on it like how they expanded the valley temple for belonging

[blazing terrace]

A few of those door looking walls lead to places thou

[hollow pier]

you can see the vault wall just behind the three towers of the wasteland temple

it's a huuuuuuge wall

[wind root]

Manage to captured this at the wasteland battlefield where the krill shows up when the gate is opened. So the krills emerge from the sludge, the polluted water, we can say now the krills are made from the pollution
@pearl void
bro , I made this theory before even looking at ur chat , Our thoughts match

[pearl void]

@wind root lets grill the krill, it rhythm haha

[hushed steeple]

I wanna know more ab the eden elder

And what stuff looked like before the fall

[spring blaze]

there was an eden elder, but its not ingame anymore because theres nothing left to save in eden (aside from the statues, but spirits wise)

we can only assume that the eden elder was the king the concept arts showed a lot, but ingame the king only exists through the environment. even with that we still don't know if the king really existed in live

[hushed steeple]

Its so sad that theres nothing left😔

[spring blaze]

yeah, eden is really interesting

there's an album pinned here of what eden looked like in pre-launch beta, but that's still after the fall of the kingdom

interesting stuff though!

i'd love to explore eden more if it wasnt so dark

[blazing terrace]

theory that maybe the winged light ||we ascend during Eden|| come back down as Moths?

[spring blaze]

no need to spoiler here! (unless its beta stuff)

i find that theory cute

then players already existing in the game come and help them moths

[wind bone]

Beta stuff wouldn’t be here for it to be spoiler tagged

[spring blaze]

true

[wind root]

@spring blaze Can we see the eden elder from oob?

[spring blaze]

eden elder doesnt exist

lore wise it does. in game theres none

[wind root]

ok

I thought its in game somewhere

oob

[spring blaze]

sadly nope

[sly kestrel]

I can show u concept of what it looked like

When they said eden elder, I’m pretty sure they meant the king
Bc in a lot of concepts, the king was like the elder for eden and he wasn’t rlly an elder actually. But the king was the “boss” of eden, and I have plentyyyy of concepts for him

[spring blaze]

yeah im pretty sure they meant king but yknow, its only an assumption since hes not rlly explained in live

[sly kestrel]

Tbh I jus wanna watch the livestreams again

Especially the one with reika talking about the elders

I missed that one 😔

I had work

[spring blaze]

same

aaa

[cobalt palm]

OMG I just got flung inside the diamond factory spinney thing, and there's a diamond inside too!

[celest spoke]

@cobalt palm “just got flung inside” like you were just hanging out minding your own biz and then the oob fairy up and yeeted you in?

[spring blaze]

[cobalt palm]

@celest spoke not quite, we were screwing around then a table got put inside and those sat at the table were flung inside

But yes the table owner would certainly identify as an oob fae

[heady sinew]

This whole conversation is sending me

[ember zodiac]

Is this the lore group

[heady sinew]

Yup!

[ember zodiac]

So, are the spirits dead people?

[heady sinew]

Perhaps, most likely yes

[ember zodiac]

Or divine people who got trapped by darkness when the stars fell?

[cold steppe]

if I'm getting my lore correct, the stars that fall are the elders, and the ones that didn't listen are the spirits

[ember zodiac]

Didn't listen ?

[spring blaze]

from the intro cutscene when you first start the game

[cold steppe]

hi ginsy

[spring blaze]

the dialogue is pinned here

hi wren

[ember zodiac]

Ooh

[cold steppe]

yeah, the fallen stars made a new home in the clouds (most likely the realms as we know them before the calamity that they didn't listen to or so) and the spirits probably appeared around the same time

[ember zodiac]

Hmm

[cold steppe]

that's just my thoughts, but I think there's someone with canon lore about it (or a more concrete theory)

[ember zodiac]

I would love to read a fanfiction on Sky

[cold steppe]

ooh, someone posted a link to one in (I think) #promote-your-sky-content

here's one: https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/632005270393978900/705204313772916777

[ember zodiac]

How did the darkstone/Eye of Eden cause their downfall?

[hushed steeple]

Woa

Ohh is darkstone eye of eden

[cold steppe]

I think darkstones are power diamonds

the giant thing that's spewing light in the red rock area is thought to be a giant power diamond by some

[wind bone]

Oh to follow up my message from earlier here’s an up close pic of the eden crystal! (pic from mirian)

[hushed steeple]

Woa

[spring blaze]

broken boi

[sinful cedar]

Also, i have a theory. What if sky is going on in the real life sky? What if we don’t know it? That explains thunder (eden) sunshine (prairie) rain (forest) and isle, which is windy (kinda) snow (valley) (i know this likely isn’t real sooooo but i’m just weary lol)

[heady sequoia]

Ooooooooooo

I really thought it was an entrance

[abstract badger]

I saw a post on tumblr that basically explains skyhild anatomy

I won’t share it because I don’t have the person’s url, but it’s cool

Sky kids basically store the winged light, and the capes project the winged light capacity. The cape itself is charged by light, and the skychildren are made of a clay-like material, i guess.

[heady sequoia]

Our mission is to bring the winged lights home. They......they tried to save the world........but died instead................become statues, separted from there bodies we return them to there bodies, and and up dying.....megabird gave up and we are his last hope............

Damn

We ta second generation

Of children

When the world is cleared of winged lights, we most likely return to the stars

Idk about wingbuffs tho, maybe they the soul of the spirits?
I dont think megabird intented us to save them

[abstract badger]

I theorise that the spirit of the skychild is literally us, and the skychildren are nonexistent when we are offline... they are like alter egos. I think each skychild has a wing of its own, that belongs to itself. This one wing gives you just enough capacity to stay lit. I think you lose it in Edenc but gain it back when you hug the child.

[heady sequoia]

Hmmmm

[hushed steeple]

What exactly is megabird ?

[sly kestrel]

We aren’t meant to bring the winged lights home
We are meant to bring the elders home

That was our main mission

[abstract badger]

In the original conept, megabird was a giant soul bird

Who oozed souls

And they just went out and came back in

[sly kestrel]

There are lots of different concepts and versions of the megabird so it’s hard to explain

[abstract badger]

And these souls went “hey, let’s start a civilization”

And became the spirits

And light creatures

[sly kestrel]

Spirits didn’t start as spirits

[abstract badger]

All sorts of things

[sly kestrel]

They were alive once

[hushed steeple]

Woa

[abstract badger]

You know what I mean, they became people, who are now spirits

[hushed steeple]

Yes

[abstract badger]

I think there was some kind of giant war boat...

[hushed steeple]

War boat ?

[abstract badger]

I’m not sure

A giant power crystal collapsed somewhere and caused a storm

It’s very confusing

[sly kestrel]

I believe ur referring to the old backstory timeline

[hushed steeple]

Ohh

[sly kestrel]

It’s no longer canon to the current story but I can send it if u want

It’s a nice one tbh

[abstract badger]

It’s a cool little story, and a lot of it still makes sense, but it’s mostly obsolete because it says the Isle elder “greets” you when you first arrive (he used to send you to aviary, if I remember correctly), but it’s changed to become more of an example of what you’ll find

[hushed steeple]

Itd be nice

Ohh

I remember the aviary 🥺

I saw this on the imgur link but idk if theres a high resolution one anywhere

Im on mobile so :(

I adore the valley twins 😔

[heady sequoia]

Hmmmm

[sly kestrel]

Aviary memories 😔

[hushed steeple]

Does anyone know the names of the elders

[sly kestrel]

As of right now they don’t have any canon names

In old concepts that used to

But not no more

We jus nickname them now
Isle grandpa, praire uncle, forest auntie, vault mom etc

[hushed steeple]

Ohh

[tender viper]

What is aviary?

[sly kestrel]

Go on YouTube and look up sky light awaits

[hushed steeple]

Isnt it from the beta

[mental narwhal]

what's up guys I'm having my scheduled daily emotional breakdown over the fact that not only are the skykids meant to die, they are meant to die over and over

[silk lynx]

Yes

But that also means they live forever

Getting each time buffer and buffer

:

[mental narwhal]

😂

[silk lynx]

~ 😛

[sonic urchin]

That’s a great way to look at it

[silk lynx]

Every coin has its two sides

You just gotta learn to find the better ones

[hushed steeple]

dang it

oop

wrong channel so sorry

[green monolith]

super saiyan moth! soon the moths shall ||punch their way through eden||

[regal spindle]

@mental narwhal Think of it like this...you're continually sacrificing yourself for the sake of others