nope, definitely not merged
#lore-discussion-spoilers
weary escarp
jovial quarry
Hey, I have a question.
So I remember it was mentioned ages ago in this channel that sky kids (probably) don’t have hearts, and therefore no heartbeat, as they are made from light.
It was said that the heartbeat heard during Eden as you’re dying is to make you feel for your sky kid and dramatize things.
I accepted that as making sense at the time and in my mind accepted that as fact.
But now my mind has changed a bit.
I noticed when holding hands with a friend, you can hear their heartbeat, even though it can be very faint at times. You can’t hear it anywhere else and I’ve tested it a few times.
Is there a possible explanation for this or do sky kids actually, in fact, have real hearts that beat?
modest skiff
I’ve noticed the heartbeat too!
Maybe it’s the sound of energy coursing between two sky kids?
Heartbeats are caused by the heart pumping blood, so maybe it’s like our light cores pumping light
hushed steeple
^This definitely makes sense
woven perch
Hey that's a good theory!! I've specially noticed the heartbeat whenever I'm with a friend 
jovial quarry
Maybe, I was considering that too. But when we don’t have any light left and are about to die in Eden it wouldn’t make much sense if light was still coursing through you, since there’s none left.
HOWEVER, I can still see where you’re coming from and that maybe when you’re dying in Eden it’s the sound of your body trying to create more light but ultimately not being able to as your sky child freezes and dies.
I’m not sure if that made much sense but that’s the best I can think of right now.
modest skiff
That sounds legit to me
serene pasture
Thats kinda sad but makes sense
modest skiff
Sad boi hours
serene pasture
I still haven’t gotten over Eden cri
jovial quarry
Edens emotional everytime, there is no denying that
serene pasture
Agree...
modest skiff
Any thoughts on this?
spring blaze
probably an easier way to store their lamp things?????
the symbols on them reminds me of the symbols on the bells
humble barn
that's something they added to solve the stability and crashing issues in vault
spring blaze
we were able to fly higher
also the pray emote is seen placing candles and praying by the graves
humble barn
spring blaze
so the pray spirit probably placed those candles
those blocks looks like an efficient way to store your uh lamp things??? the fact that theres different designs makes me think it's an indicator of "what category of info is this"
humble barn
I got chrome glitch yesterday and took a bunch of photos in the new vault area
spring blaze
lucky
humble barn
yeah as soon as I realized the glitch I rushed into the area!
The top and bottom planes of the cubes are blank
spring blaze
makes sense considering thst they stack
so you wouldntbe able to see the top/bottom anyway
sky spirits played minecraft confirmed
humble barn
and the rest of 4 sides are covered with 4 symbols, all placed in exactly the same order. Sometimes the cube is upside down so people may think there are 6 symbols on 2 kinds of cubes
why are these bookshelves collapsing
spring blaze
aw man then its not categorizing anything its just design lol
the tower itself starts to break apart on floor 3 so im assuming that the collapsing bit here is the same for the ones in floor 3
but it doesn't make any sense bc we enter the ares at floor 1
aka lobby
jovial quarry
Ever since the new forest area released live, I’ve always wondered what this giant glowing orb thing was. It doesn’t seem to recharge you’re light and is just there and is blinding! Anyone have any ideas? It could be just design but who knows.
spring blaze
i think thats just the sun LOL
jovial quarry
You’d think the sun would be bigger though haha
Or maybe we’re giants
Who knowssss
But in all seriousness, what I find weird is that when you fly close to it it doesn’t recharge your light, even though it’s clearly made of pure light and seems like one of those things that would instantly recharge you like a fireplace. It just always stood out to me and was kinda weird to me. But I don’t know, I’m probably looking into things that don’t need to be looked into/is simply design.
spring blaze
could you take another picture in a different angle?
jovial quarry
I’ll have to go back to the forest, I took this photo earlier today. I’ll do that right now but it may take a while.
spring blaze
you dont need to do it now aha when you have the time
jovial quarry
Here, I have a few more.
In the first image, you can clearly see the sun (right) and the glowing orb (middle) are two different things.
In the video, you can see that you can fly over top of it. You can also go through it and it won’t recharge any light.
The fact that it doesn’t recharge light is what I find most peculiar because it is seemingly made of pure light and just seems like one of those things.
I think it probably has something to do WITH the sun, but I can’t think of what. And why in the forest?
Once again, it’s probably just a detail that I noticed and probably doesn’t mean much, I just thought that it might be worth bringing up, just in case anyone has any ideas.
green pine
I wouldn't be surprised if it was a map effect placed to alter the ambient lighting, but was accidentally made with us being able to see the source sinstead of being hidden in the statue or nor converging into one bright point
there's a lot of portions in the underground forest that look unfinished or missing some polish (like the empty rooms, unmovable gate, sheer square cliffs, etc.) since the place is so new and already so big, so I wouldn't be surprised if this is a product of that
hollow pier
Maybe that part of the cave is a focal point for light? Like how lenses refract light (like magnifying glasses used to burn things)
And my two cents are that the heartbeat is lightcores pumping light is an excellent theory
obtuse vapor
(God I hate being late to every single conversation.) There was a thing @Pyxio#9994 mentioned about the wasteland in the journey/SCotL conversation, and I was thinking, what if the war on the battlefield happened between the journey people and the skypians? Both ‘races’ are different enough culturally to go to war with each other. Plus, from what I can remember, there is no sign of cloth (like in journey) except for the flags in the battlefield. Sure those could be just regular war flags but long flowing cloth like that reminded me of journey. Also there are plenty more graves in journey than in sky so obviously the journey beings lost the war. I know that probably has nothing do with the whole premise of journey, but I feel like it does explain the graves at least, and maybe even journeys relation to sky.
weary escarp
hmm...I like your interpretation of the issue.
obtuse vapor
Thanks!
And now, come to think of it, journey and Sky could be happening at the same time, years after the war, just in different places. One in the sky, the other on the ground. Perhaps eventually, they could meet? The places in journey could also be a little ruined due to some debris from the Eden storm somehow reaching there.
I wish there was more lore about journey as well. 😞
weary escarp
maybe we get to compensate both lores by swapping the loose pieces of the original games to the other
the problem is, there really are no loose pieces...
grim siren
did salute spirit's compatriot sail off in a small boat and get krilled? that's what i see from the cutscene
weary escarp
don’t think so
he’s just sailing out, but before anything happened the camera shifted back to our position
hollow pier
@obtuse vapor the journey war was between Journey people, it’s pretty clearly depicted
grim siren
when i saw it the spirit was in red light though...
weary escarp
journey and COtL could be in the same universe, perhaps the journey war and the kingdom’s fall is separate
but they’re definitely in the very same world
and had similar magic/tech
hollow pier
It’s also worth mentioning that the light in Journey is completely different, in Journey light manifests as a single letter/character/cuneiform/glyph in Sky it’s just glowing light
weary escarp
perhaps the journey civilization was more advanced...
hollow pier
Oh they definitely-uhm I was about to say definitely were but, the kingdom of Sky might be more advanced
hushed steeple
i dont know if its intentional but i found the way they set up the battlefield zone very interesting especially considering, when one open the gate, others suffer the krill, makes it feel like a race to the gate sometime, or constantly honking frustration, causing tension and stuff like that. like. . . an actual battle? kinda parallels to the battlefield’s origins.
i personally just glitch through gate but have witnessed this happening and leads me to wonder
weary escarp
the battlefield zone?
hushed steeple
yes
weary escarp
where?
hushed steeple
in wasteland, last zone before temple
weary escarp
well for a short while, then it closes
I think I know why they designed it this way, to prevent krills from charging into the temple
also, @grim siren maybe the spirits in physical form (when still alive) couldn’t see the krills’ spotlight, hence unaware of being attacked
hushed steeple
yeah but at same time makes me think about how sky kid approach each other in terms of gate opening, in general should be allies (wait til everyone is at gate) but the dynamics behind the gate is interesting, wonder if the developers intends it to be that way
hushed steeple
ahahaha
weary escarp
actually, can we not relate to the devs anymore? Let’s focus on the game, might get some new clues out of it that were proven false before due to a dev quote
and I still don’t know what the megabird theory is...
hollow pier
The megabird has a lot of theories:
- The child of light is the megabird/winged light are the equivalent to MB feathers
- The megabird is the narrator
- The glowing orb just before orbit is the megabird, the citadel/orrery giant orb is a model of the megabird
- Orbit is inside the megabird
- We are all part of the megabird, the birds, the manta, the ancestors, it’s a hive mind
- The megabird is the reason for bird tunnels and constellation gates
- ALL PRAISE THE MEGABIRD, THE MEGABIRD IS GOD
I think that’s about it? Lore Seekers help! I am doing the megabird a dishonour by not remembering their full reach
vague ivy
Bruh megabird
hollow pier
Oh @wind bone there’s only three graves I can see, so my theory that the graves might be their bodies might still be valid!
And is my collection of livestream quotes worthy of a pin?
rocky wing
@jovial quarry that light is just part of the visuals - it's there to make it look like the sun is shining in, but if you fly up to it you can see it's just a light hanging up there 😉 There's one above the storm when you enter wastelands too. So, technical thing rather than lore.
open forge
spring blaze
animal elder?
humble barn
We have seen Eden oob pics taken by Mirian (In: spoilers-lore-discussion From: Seraph#2000 has:video)
You can see concept art images of animal elder (forest elder) in the last Japanese livestream
I think you are looking for the former one? They said that OOB area existed only for a brief moment in pre-launch beta.
dense saddle
Wonder if this is intentional lol
I’ve mentioned before that I wondered this, I kinda think it is. Im not sure what the searching spirit is searching for but I think it may be the ruins of the old castle maybe?
soft carbon
@rattatoullie lover
What do you mean? Also can someone explain what the megabird is haha
Oof sorry @dense saddle
humble barn
scroll up a bit and you can see a list of Megabird theories Hage Jiisama posted!
dense saddle
@soft carbon
In the beginning of battlefield when you “tap on yourself to light the way” at first it shows you to the broken down old ruins of a castle, and only when you reach it does it change direction.
I kinda thought maybe there had been an invasion at the castle between good and evil or maybe something like a civil war based on the barricades and the different Sheild designs
soft carbon
Ohhh right that makes sense
hollow pier
That’s the temple symbol being used as a way point not to indicate that broken building was a castle. The beginning intro castle is the same we fly through at the end of the game in the Ascent to Orbit
The megabird is kinda hive mind/collective consciousness from all light creatures MAYBE so including animals, the elders, all of us, the spirits, or maybe the megabird isn’t any of those and is just God if Sky instead
Every drop of light might be the megabird from our candles to the light we collect or the glory mushrooms
@soft carbon one explanation at your service
In: spoilers-lore-discussion From: Seraph#2000 has:video is better 😉
humble barn
it is! thank you! I forgot about the video
imma correct my earlier post
hollow pier
@soft carbon if you’re worried about spam you can always delete the typo/unnecessary messages, I do that in here when I can there’s less scrolling for others. And no problem!
soft carbon
@hollow pier oh you can delete messages? Sorry I’m new to discord haha thanks for the advice!
hollow pier
Yep! I messaged you in #questions-and-help to keep here clear
worldly fog
Somehow the vault reminded me of this puzzle
serene pasture
Guys the skull in the GW is a sea turtle skull
buoyant scroll
it kinda does look like a sea turtle skull :O !!!
serene pasture
Yes!
It kinda looked similar so i looked up to see
I wonder how they looked like when they were alive tho, they’d be beautiful light bois ;-;
Ima do my own reference of a light sea turtle creature lol
spring blaze
theyd be massive turtles
serene pasture
Yes very big! Maybe as big as the WOG(i think its named) lol
hoary frost
ocean frigate
wind bone
It was just a small thing when you finished the daily quest
I wish it were a real turtle 
serene pasture
I never got to see the turtle tho ;-;
obtuse vapor
Jiisama, you said that the journey war was between just the journey people, that makes sense also because there would probably be more murals about it lol. Then what other connections do sky and journey have?
Also do you think that one came before the other? I don’t tbqh:/
Also does anyone think that music could play a role in lore? Probably not but I’m a sucker for music lore.
Speaking of which, does anyone know the lyrics to the credits song?
hollow pier
@obtuse vapor if you look up this you can read a fan made version of the credit lyrics
from:inspiration-rain#0100 in:spoilers-lore-discussion credits
modest skiff
You summoned me?
Anyway check this stuff out
This door is located near the middle beacon
And the left door light has a small diamond above it
I think it represents this
And the weird thing is that the other doors in the area look like this instead
It doesnt line up
hollow pier
There are quite a lot of murals in Journey yes, they tell the story clearer than Sky does. Light cane into this world, creatures of CLOTH form around the light, the people were born from light, they figured out how to industrialise light, they took too much light from the world building a massive city (cities) the world around started to die, the people of Journey started to fight over the remaining light they had collected using their giant mechakrill (which collect creatures of light in their stomachs) to fight each other, everyone dies, you’re told you’ll die from approaching the mountain/source of light just like everyone else, you die then the elders revive you, you go to the source and then you’re reborn
Sky is considered the spiritual successor to Journey by the devs and there’s a lot of similar levels/gameplay, I’m not sure if they exist in the same timeline.. I want them to though!
modest skiff
Oh hey, @hollow pier I made a realization earlier
hollow pier
Ooooh? I like those
modest skiff
You know how the devs said that darkness is an integral part of the world right?
And it tries to take away light?
I think that the darkness present in our game is like the equivalent of overgrown weeds. Without the spirits there to keep it at bay, it grew everywhere, including the beacons and in pots.
Perhaps its natural habitat was in the rainy/dark areas, but with the spirits gone, it just spread everywhere
What do you think?
hollow pier
Ooh weeds! That’s an excellent idea 💡 better than thinking they’re mould, or fungus (even if they are mushroomish shaped)
modest skiff
Yeet
And I think that it’s interesting how different forms of darkness either take away your light, or are destroyed by it
I think it’s like the balance between fire and water
A lot of water can put out a fire, but if you hold a flame to an ice cube, it melts away
Also enough fire will just make water evaporate
The darkness present in red rocks is a lot more potent and stronger than the darkness in plants
hollow pier
I’m still not decided on what the red rocks are, but continuing your theory I think it’d be better to describe darkness as ice, like the world is cold without flame so frost (darkness) grows
tulip olive
Hm some connection about the worlds
If the vault actually exists, then it should be a building located in Wasteland🤔
hollow pier
Ooh and while water would drown us ice slowly takes away our heat until we freeze, maybe that’s what’s happening to those mantas and the what happened to the cry spirit
What do you think about my theory that the core of the spirits we can’t save (cry cave) being used as part of their gravestone?
modest skiff
I dont think that the gravestones are made of the spirits
Because if their bodies were trapped by rocks and stuff, then how would they be able to retrieve the bodies to turn into gravestones?
hollow pier
YOU KNOW. I don’t think the spirits or elders could save other spirits, because we know SOMEONE built the graves (or moved them if they’re bodies, or have bodies in them) but none of the spirits were saved
I should be more specific, I think those spirits permanently died and when that happens they can lose their statue form and collapse into just a dead light core
I say can lose their statue form, like the statue/shell is more vulnerable but won’t automatically break if their core dies, because we have corrupted spirits (or kids) in Eden and the trebuchet statue
modest skiff
Ik but my point is that their bodies were nowhere near the gravespots to turn into gravestones
They died buried underneath rocks or trapped in darkness
hollow pier
Well if the darkness or rocks broke the statues that might have given the cry spirit access to move the cores
Ah damn, hole in this theory: why does the cry spirit still have a statue then we revive because all of their light also gets turned into darkness
modest skiff
Welp, there you have it then
Omg @hollow pier I had another realization
Why would the spirits build a maze in the valley temple? That 1: had a VERY small entrance and 2: had an exit that was way high above the ground?? And no ladder or stairs to get down?
I think maybe the valley spirit for this season might give us some insight into this, but for now, it’s very puzzling
hollow pier
Hmm 🤔 that area seems built for gameplay rather than lore so far, what’s in there? Just the one room with pots? Why would they make a twisty corridor like the one behind the gate? It is quite puzzling
humble barn
@tulip olive We can actually see the vault from the wasteland temple. (This image is taken from the wasteland temple.) We can only see the wall, so the vault building should be huuuuuge.
modest skiff
Im not sure what the picture is showing though
hollow pier
That’s the king statue atop wasteland, excellent shot! Vault is probably inside right? It seems big enough
humble barn
It is, and the vault wall is behind them
The wall looks too simple and missing the base part but the statues there are also rough. The place is kinda OOB.
sly kestrel
Ok question...
How....did u get there
Last time I tried going up there with my friends, we got blown away by wind walls
humble barn
I think they placed the wall intentionally to show us that the vault building does exist. Otherwise they could have covered the entire wall with clouds.
I got there with my friend using hand holding and warp. Those pics were taken on 18th Oct so they might have added wind walls later?
obtuse vapor
Does anyone know what these are? At first I thought they were just really big shields but then o saw that they’re statues. They kinda look like decoys? Bait for krill? A funny place to put them for a second forge
Dude the wasteland is so unexplainable this place is crazy
Like is this place always supposed to be a warzone?
humble barn
I guess not because I think it would be difficult to build those huge stone buildings and pipes in a warzone.
The tilted statues inside are similar to these. royal guards?
wet lynx
Maybe the name ‘“Golden” Wasteland’ have something to do with it then? It’s not much, but there’s definitely some gold over at the shipwreck area, does seem like royal stuff hmm
green pine
Plus the place probably had more a golden desert hue before it became dark and greenish
weary terrace
@modest skiff the Valley Temple has an oob area on top of it. Not sure if that was open before, but today I explored and ended up in the arena where the twins are playing during the cut scene. They were just floating there to fly around. There is a busted bridge behind them. Why would it be broken? Seems like a lore possibility to me.
obtuse vapor
Oh yeah it was lol
hollow pier
@humble barn what do you mean the vault wall is on their back?
humble barn
I meant "wall is behind them (statues)" *corrected. thank you!
sly kestrel
@weary terrace I’ve been to oob areas in races as well, there’s castles and buildings not meant to be discovered there. The whole realm is a city that’s touchable and i guess tgc jus wants to be extra.
upper crow
Oh yeah, I went into a the new valley area after the race and I went to the top. I then found a wind tunnel, thinking that it would take me to another area but then I saw a ton of space between everything. It was super weird and I could go under everything. Instead of clouds, there was just a big ocean. I have a video, but I can’t upload anything too long here. I’ll try to get some good screenshots.
woven perch
Ah I believe that's the oob arena where the Twins cutscene takes place?
sand abyss
Mhmm!
The pictures look like they’re taken before the Valley Elders cutscene
aka causing for the Arena to go dark
sly kestrel
That place is cool but careful not to get sucked into the vortex behind it...
This is a random thought but I feel like the wasteland elder’s name is Orion
sly kestrel
🧅
modest skiff
Okay, I read through everything that was said, and here’s my comments:
- The valley elder stadium with the broken bridge is the old stadium they used in the beta version. It’s possible that when they scrapped the old beta one, they didn’t bother to change it for the cutscene.
- The reason there’s ocean instead of clouds is because they never intended for us to see that area or even fly there.
- @hushed steeple I actually came up with that exact same theory a little while ago! Glad I’m not the only one who noticed. So I think it’s safe to say that YES, the forest whale is likely what caused the treetops to snap off.
- Also I really like the idea of nicknaming elders after our own constellations...👀
spring blaze
the default map is pretty much just water so i doubt that its much lore potential. if anything, its an ocean if you fall oob cus you're no longer up in the sky/cloud
clouds*
modest skiff
^^^^
Also I’ve been looking through constellations to see nicknames we could give the other elders
modest skiff
Puppis - the stern of a boat (Isle)
Crater - a cup/pot (Prairie)
Fornax - the furnace (Forest)
Castor and Pollux - the two brightest stars in Gemini, and the names of the two twins - (Valley)
Orion - the hunter (Wasteland)
Cassiopeia - the Queen (Vault)
modest skiff
Haha exactly
sand abyss
Orion and Castor a good name tho
spring blaze
when it comes to naming things i tend to go with Roman/Greek gods(desses)
pretty basic,,
steel trellis
love the nicknames sm 😩💕
sly kestrel
Met Cassiopeia today, it was fun
spring blaze
i was with a friend
HM
theres been people saying that ppl are able to warp to them in space somehow
either way it's neat but not rlly contributing anything to lore since space station is part of the office
modest skiff
I’m so glad y’all like the nicknames haha
I think they’ll really start to stick once we use them
sand abyss
Uncle Orion vs
GRANDPA PUPPI
Fornax sounds like a snorlax name
i’m so sorry
( i love u rainy aunt please forgive me )
sly kestrel
The meaning of fornax is always good but......remember it’s a girl
spring blaze
the elders' genders were never confirmed or clarified so we could just nickname em however we want
its all up to interpretation
sly kestrel
Well most likely Issa girl
hollow pier
I like these:
Aries - the winged ram 🐏 (isle, his boat mask looks like horns and he summons birds)
Or
Taurus - the bull & one of the older constellations
Cetus - the whale (praire)
Corvus - the raven, she just reminds me of a crow somehow? (forest)
Or
Libra - the scales
Andromeda - the Chained Maiden and Cassiopeia’s daughter (vault)
Orion, Castor, and Pollux are 👌
Aries even looks like Isle!
grim wedge
I don't know if this theory has been stated or not, but I think the realms represent different points in time. The prairie could be considered the beginning. The Forest is when nature took over. The Valley is the height of people. Eden is apocalyptic, and Wastelands are post-apocalyptic. The Isle is after Wastelands where the sand piled up and covered everything (you can see more of the boats you see in the other realms there). The common thing I note is in the order of the realms is that things progressively get darker. From the bright prairie to the desolate ruin of the wastelands. I don't know where the vault would fit in.
The timeline would, in my theory, go Prairie, Valley, Forest, Eden, Wastelands, Isle. (I, again, don't know where Vault is)
Supporting details >> 1) Valley is for Heroes, and it's very bright and has a lot of gold around it, whereas Wastelands has wreckage of buildings and aging statues. 2) Eden has several Krill which are constantly on the hunt, while Wastelands have a few leftover Krill who are patrolling the waste. 3) The realms get progressively darker and there are more dangers as you go along (the few crabs in the shadows of the forest, rain that takes your light, and, eventually, the Krill)
Holes in the theory >> 1) No place for Vault. 2) There are boats in Prairie. 3) You can see Eden in the distance in all of the realms. 4) You can technically fly between them without using a portal to home.
hollow pier
It’s been noted before, I think there was something said about it on the last livestream about all the realms existing at once but I cannot remember at all
grim wedge
I'm pretty new here, sorry if it's been pointed out already
hollow pier
No it’s fine! The levels are deliberately designed to look like different stages of their civilisation
grim wedge
Okay cool
hollow pier
There’s confirmation of that in office and the concept art pinned to this channel
grim wedge
I haven't reached the office yet
hollow pier
The levels are supposed to represent the birth, rise and eventually death of the civilisation
When you get there pay attention to the walls inside!
grim wedge
Okay, I will!
grim wedge
I'm just glad I picked up on it xD
hollow pier
The portal/gate into office surrounded by water
green pine
it is
hollow pier
The information inside is canon, but the space itself isn’t
sly kestrel
There’s posters in the office that explain the realms
But sadly.....it’s too blurry for anyone to read
modest skiff
Grandpa Puppis is the BEST most ADORABLE way to nickname the Isle elder omg
mystic moat
No
That island has nothing but the first cutscene you see when you first start the game
forest heart
Oh rip
tulip olive
Hmm so Vault is a part of midlife? Since the Vault is directly accessible from Wasteland temple
grim siren
what island :0
i don't think i've seen it before?
verbal jolt
sand abyss
Lots of pots!!
steady steppe
Also these unfinished stairs
sand abyss
When entering behind the gate, i’m getting some interesting ideas as to what this small room is
might be a storage for the rest of the butterflies pots
or maybe something else..... but definitely getting a feeling of a storage
steady steppe
I wonder what TGC is planning by making the stairs
Like stairs just make it seem more important, or is that just me
zealous sedge
Good exploration Cameio! Love seeing all these bits! I hope they are little spoilers for future expansions rather than random bits placed just to get them out of the way
raw grail
i think its gonna be like an area where you can explore at the end of the season or something
crimson dock
@verbal jolt always thought the blue light you're seeing in prairie is the sun? bc the storm in eden has a more reddish-orange glow and also is no where bright enough to light the entire world
spring blaze
i always thought of it as like the sun too. or the eden castle?
sly kestrel
spring blaze
for the poster in the office, some of the text under the titles can also be seen the “storyline” concept art album
if you look reeaall close lol
sly kestrel
U can also see sketches of the king and corrupt king on the posters 😬
spring blaze
they’re also in the concept art albums
radiant atlas
What’s just like the base lore that we have so far?
sly kestrel
Technically........all we have are just really good theories
forest heart
There’s a wall behind the last temple in wasteland
forest heart
Also why is there this here
spring blaze
the wall’s either vault or just some graphic thing
grim wedge
I don’t have screenshots because I was glitched out, but in wastelands there is a temple-looking ruin that looks exactly like the temple at the end of the Forest
I think wastelands is just where the ruins of all the realms end up
zealous sedge
Which room is that? I thought people meant the first krill room but I don’t see it so perhaps I’m mistaken?
grim wedge
There’s a mess of pipes and things like there is in Eden
The place where you get the looking emote looks like the ruins of one of the valley rooms
As for which room, I don’t remember where the forest temple ruins were
modern fulcrum
So wasteland is basically sky’s garbage pit??
grim wedge
But the pipes are around the shipwreck and the castle is in the room with three krill
zealous sedge
I’m going to have to have a nosey in there and see if I can see what you’re describing.
grim wedge
Ok
minor tree
Did all of sky used to be filled with spirits living together and stuff
spring blaze
yes
it was a civilization
though we dont know if the spirits we relieved lived together during the same time period/frame
languid pendant
wasteland is the sky kingdoms sewers and the whirlpool is just a giant sky toilet
sly kestrel
🧼
spring blaze
whirlpool to enter wasteland is just someone flushing the office’s toilet
sand abyss
h e n c e. the. || toilet ||. krill
spring blaze
Yeah
YEAH
YEAAAHHHHHH
this is official guys. we solved ONE piece of lore and that is the origins of the toilet krill
languid pendant
makes sense
spring blaze
the baby krill in the plant pot made its home to the toiler because it the closest thing as wasteland they have in the office!
languid pendant
smells just like it
spring blaze
yes
modest skiff
😂😂😂
analog ridge
The great civilization of Sky Kingdom
Before the great war there was civilization that lived in harmony and prosperity. The Kingdom lived for many years and the inhabitants (Sky people) had developed their knowledge and communication through time and space. They lived with many magnificent creatures of light from the smallest of the light butterflies to the great cosmic manta and learned to communicate with them. The seven protectors of each land gave their lives to help and guide Sky people to improve upon their knowledge. Until one day one of the Sky people was greedy and wanted more power to rule over Sky Kingdom and he wanted to control the most magnificent power of all time Eye of Eden. But, when he tried to control it, it backfired and the power of harmony turned to the power destruction and darkness. The creatures of Sky Land runaway except for some of the Sky whales. The Dark power turned them to skeletons of darkness and killing machines that moves in darkness. And many of the inhabitants turned to dark creatures. The lands was corrupted and the seven protectors had to do something to regain the light. They did what they had to do and pushed the darkness to the land of great green land (Wasteland). The last protector who was responsible of the Vault of Knowledge separated the lands to realms and gave hope for the power of light to come back and rebuild the Sky Kingdom. Thus, the children of light was born. But with no one to guide or help them some of the Children gave up at points that they gave their winged power to others who could come and continue the journey to be found as winged spirits. The spirits of the ancestors of the Sky Kingdom before and during the war gives their knowledge of communication to the Children of Light to help them understand their Lands history, culture and regain the harmony and prosperity of the Kingdom.
They say that the Spirt of the evil person who tried to have the power of Eden is still around the lands suffering from the distraction of the darkness.
Theory Lore of Safty
Dannng
analog ridge
Thanks 
sand abyss
You’re welcome! 
sly kestrel
U mean this guy? 😅
hollow pier
@edgy sleet are these your screenshots? I believe the first three are
crimson grove
@hollow pier I recognize one of mine! The third one with the 
and chair ^^
edgy sleet
@hollow pier The first two could be? I can't tell since there's no character in them. Second two aren't mine tho
hollow pier
I’ll double check your lore albums, may I use these for my lore primer?
Presuming they’re yours of course @edgy sleet
crimson grove
And I think the last one with the head is Granny Pigeon’s
edgy sleet
You can use anything from my beta albums as long as you credit. Tho again I'm not 100% sure if the first two are mine or not, as they're pretty indirect shots that could easily have been taken by anyone at the time. I know I took similar shots to the first two, but I can't be confident that those are my exact shots.
crimson grove
I remember my shock from not realizing it was there
hollow pier
@scarlet wren may I use your pic for my lore primer?
sand abyss
ah idk if Pigeon online atm but we’ll see
hollow pier
@crimson grove may I use your screenshot for my lore primer?
Thank you @edgy sleet, already written in!
analog ridge
@sly kestrel i think this is Eden in the middle 😅🤷🏻♂️
crimson grove
Of course @hollow pier!
sand abyss
🥳
hollow pier
Many thanks 🙏 
sly kestrel
@analog ridge I’m not talking about the building, I’m talking about the figure in front of the building on his knees, holding a ball
hushed steeple
There’s some kinda...liquid that’s spilling out of the diamonds?
Not to mention it’s broken too
scarlet wren
hmm
steady steppe
Looks like sand to me
raw grail
Not sure if this meant anything, but I found a broken pot engraved into the ground and a round pot as well
steel trellis
yo i was in the oob of the valley &
behind the altar there a broken “bridge” ?
anybody knows anything abt it?? heard it’s a model from the beta version but i’m not sure
it’s weird to be broken like this tho
raven canopy
Wha...
steel trellis
yea it’s really weird , and the twins’ models r also there tho u can’t interact with them in any way
they’re frozen mid air
i’m really curious what’s up with the broken bridge tho
spring blaze
@steel trellis thats the stadium from beta. the devs probably didnt bother to change it to the stadium we have in live
you're in the stadium where the elder cutscenes takes place so theyre frozen in place
steel trellis
aw thx for clarifying
yea i remember sm1 said that before but i wasn’t sure
still curious abt the broken bridge
idk i have a weird obsession with details & their meanings
spring blaze
dw bud im legit making albuns of the realms cus i like looking for details lmao
forest heart
Dose anyone know of a place that has these 2 waterfalls
ebon orbit
🌚
wind bone
Vault @forest heart
forest heart
Oh yeah
zealous sedge
Ok how are you guys making grandma do emotes? @ebon orbit
zealous sedge
This is the 2nd one I’ve seen in the space of 5 mins. The other was a video of her dancing.
sand abyss
sly kestrel
zealous sedge
Was going to message the sages to ask. I see you are in the dark too, skymii.
sly kestrel
😔
abstract badger
Sky children must be connected to the other games
Flow, Flower, Journey, Sky
It’s heading upwards
green pine
interestingly, aside from the worlds appearing to be the same for Journey and Sky, there's no direct easter egg connections between Journey and any other TGC game, unlike Journey where it had a small reference to Flow and Flower
wind bone
Sky has a Easter egg for flower
sand abyss
😉
spring blaze
raw grail
There is also an Easter egg where you can find literal Easter eggs in forest
hushed steeple
Lol, I saw that. And I’m pretty sure those are from the winter season ^^
cobalt palm
The beta season stuff made me think, I won't spoil for the non beta players, but specifically ||the season end cutscene specifically the "time and place" combination||...
what if time movement within levels is a game story thing, Skykids can only visit areas at certain "times" as that's when the sun/stars are in the right position, only spirits can "live" in zones other than during the time our Skykid can see it.
Maybe home space is special, because it is the centre of the world of sky and exists with the portals at all the times (from dawn, through day, dusk and night) exist there and is the only place the Skykids can experience time passing without moving on.
Kinda like the game mechanics, but less integral in Sky, to in Braid, where as the character moves forwards time moves forwards, and back, time moves back, or more recently Superhot where time doesn't move unless the player does.
ashen bolt
There’s differents kind of those thing, maybe they have differents use?
hollow pier
@ashen bolt those weird looking lanterns are part of the spirit memory I believe
ashen bolt
Maybe differents kind of memory?
I’m just trying to theorize...
The pales ones have a hole in them
hollow pier
The pale ones look like the lanterns that are used to progress to next level
The others look like they’re low res...? Weird
ashen bolt
Here another one. There’s seem to be some structures on that isle
spring blaze
definately
zealous sedge
I always thought that was just rocks! That’s like a full on temple sinking into the ground!
mystic moat
I’ve been out there and can confirm it’s temples sinking into the water
Don’t have any pictures sadly
scarlet wren
OH
woven estuary
YALL JAVSH
hushed steeple
UUHHHHH
hollow pier
Sometimes this chat is so #general-sky-discussion or #screenshots-and-videos it makes me sad.
Anyways on a partially #screenshots-and-videos and #lore-discussion-spoilers topic I tried going to the island @scarlet wren and all I got was this
Uhhhhhhh I forget which map that last pic is from, the first wasteland map I think
agile citrus
Someone apparently gave thw elders some nicknames... theyre cute but imma stack with the dev ones
sand abyss
I don't think the devs gonna patch since how much people love going over there
especially if you go after the cutscene
where you meet the Valley Elders before they relocate themselves up in the air
agile citrus
Yeah
sand abyss
hehe yeah
Also its very interesting how different Vault Elder designs
Like from a very small plump with a staff, to a tall ( yet respectively small compared to other Elders ) scholar
modest skiff
The dev nicknames are cool, but they dont match up with the current designs
modest skiff
LMAO
sand abyss
asdajsdhk
I CAN'T
_too funny to think about _
Also heh I don't mind the nicknames really
I like Teth ( dev nickname for Forest )
And I like Puppis ( fan nickname for Isle )
s-small
frosty moss
So do the elders at each level sort of represent the general mannerisms of that age group? It certainly seems that way for forest lol
spring blaze
i love how the vault spirit got progressively smaller LOL
harsh cove
What’s the dark arena place? How do I get there?
hollow pier
@harsh cove that’s a question best for #questions-and-help not here but the answer is it’s oob from the valley temple, fly up the maze skylight and it’s off in the distance
wary prism
Make sure to exit before watching the elder cutscene if you want to be there with the dark lighting
proven sigil
Tbh i like the two elders from the valley
burnt monolith
who doesn't tho
sand abyss
I mean, these two came first place for the #polls poll for “whos your favourite elder”
Second been Forest and Third been Wasteland
sand abyss
eyup with Isle elder been last place
spring blaze
I LOVE MY MOM DAD AND GRANPA
sand abyss
old hedge
tbh vault is my bae
sand abyss
I mean, Vault mom adorable ;v;
spring blaze
prairie dad prairie dad
zealous sedge
Butterfly dad is gentle giant. I wish i could stand on his hand.
sand abyss
old hedge
yes I wish it was easy to pose with them
sand abyss
pls let us stand on top of them like how we do in the Vault OOB
old hedge
yes please
zealous sedge
Any new theories or observations?
spring blaze
imagine
prairie dad, but instead of butterflies, you occupy the pot. your head pops out of the opening as he travels through the open fields. life’s good
old hedge
chibi vault mom
spring blaze
old vault mom would just walk current whack mom with her stick
sand abyss
EXACTLY !!
sand abyss
omg
spring blaze
THAT SENTENCE MADE NO SENSE
worthy mountain
Why do sky children wear animal masks if there aren’t animals beside birds and mantas in game? 😅
sand abyss
tis a concept art me friend
would love to see that in game tbh
even made suggestion of it~
spring blaze
the stone masks are so cool
yknow what the krills reminds me of?? helicopters
i was watching the open gate cutscene in wasteland and when the overview shot of the blue lights scanning the area it reminded me of helicopters and their lil search light
and when a krill spots you, it makes that helicopter propeller type of noise
after a while i finally found the word i was looking for lmao. helicopters
merry pewter
They are like Dragon Helicopters XD
lean nacelle
Anyone have any idea what this is? It's blocked by a wind-wall.
scarlet wren
I think some photos exist from table copter days
it’s like, the opening cutscene when you first start the game
which is pretty neat to know tbh :0
hushed steeple
Wait what are we looking at in your pic @lean nacelle?
lean nacelle
@hushed steeple Those mountain-like things in the background
spring blaze
its where the opening cutscene murals are @lean nacelle as what granny stated
aka nothing super big
modest skiff
Pretty sure im not the first to see this, but for anyone who is curious what the cubes are for, they are for lanterns
spring blaze
they are special cubes
why are they special? well they just are
akjdskdj naw i kinda think theyre like a place holder?? a spawn.. thing? for the lamp
wary prism
those lanterns go back and forth between the rooms i think?
sort of acting as a guide once you light them
hushed steeple
Yeah
scarlet wren
do you think there’s any significance in the solid and transparent lanterns?
although could partly gameplay but i dunno
sand abyss
Maybe the one we had to light up is just guides to the dark hallway?
wary prism
some of the lanterns you light to make the vault elevator go up are transparent as well
sand abyss
probably the modeling issue
scarlet wren
ah yeah i forgot to be more specific smhdkdjd
on the first two floors, the lanterns are solid. As you head up though, there’s only transparent lanterns.
grim wedge
Maybe climbing the vault really brings you to the spirit world?
Because by the time you reach the top, you’re in “space” surrounded by stars
Then the transparent lanterns would be spirit/ghost lanterns that you light up
modest skiff
That’s a cool theory! There’s another theory that the vault is actually just a dream/hallucination/projection. The evidence for this is that after visiting the elder, you appear back in the first room at the bottom floor.
merry pewter
Yeah I noticed that! Also, to add to this theory (if I may), you sit on that platform for a while to make the platform move up. You sit in a similar way when sitting to see an elder. Oh, the the same chime thing plays when you see an elder or sit on the platform.
Maybe the platform really does move up, or maybe its not moving at all and sitting on the platform starts the dream hallucination or whatever is going on in that place.
Thank you for coming to my ted talk, feel free to poke holes in this lol. Just speculation
proven sigil
Idk but like the first 2 levels of the vault are solid
The rest seem more ethereal
So maybe after the 2nd level of the vault youre projecting?
hollow pier
I firmly believe the first vault floor and the last room before Eden are different rooms as they’re different sizes and layouts. The same chime also plays when meditating for a meditation quest.
In a livestream the dev who designed Vault also says while it gets surreal after the second floor, it’s hinted that it’s real despite that because there’s the cosmic whale voice we can pick up that need the manta call from Valley
There’s also emotes to learn and light to collect
modest skiff
I like the idea that it's not necessarily a hallucination, but perhaps like a projection of a different reality
this could be the ultimate peak of their technological advancement before disaster
merry pewter
Ahh I like that, makes sense
scarlet wren
if these people could use telekinesis who knows what kind of technology they have 👀
spring blaze
buddy could 
so yeah
i think the more magical emotes like are used by the scholars of the sky world
pulsar dragon
mhm. vault’s emotes are very...how do i explain it. mind-oriented? like, vault is the vault of knowledge and wisdom. so you know, you use your mind and determination for telekinesis, prayer, levitating
spring blaze
also I noticed that this guy has two lil babies!! you can also float on them
pulsar dragon
vault’s drastically different from wasteland but also very similar, in my opinion. wasteland is huge and empty and lonely, but so is vault. vault is full of knowledge, but its size just makes me think of a lonely scholar. wasteland is scary emptiness, but vault is reflective.
yeah i love the babies 
spring blaze
damn chicky u thinkin deep
but i get it
roaming around a desolate wasteland is lonely and horrifying itself. vault's empty too, but i feel like you start to question "what's real??" as the tower starts to break apart and turn more space-y
pulsar dragon
yeah. at that point, especially when the vault gets emptier on the higher levels, i feel that’s representative of the “end.”
vault is like old age in the stages of life theory, and as the elevator rises, you are aging. life that was once full of joy and marvels is now just kind of empty as you fade away. like...are you even real now?
and then comes the real end, eden
merry pewter
Thats so deep uwu
pulsar dragon
sand abyss
mystic moat
Looks like the water in Wasteland is water
cunning sequoia
Speaking of which, the Japanese version of eye of eden is divided into "storm area(暴風域)" and "original sin(原罪)".
mystic moat
Sorry it’s not the best of photos
spring blaze
its water but its much more.... oily looking on the surface
wary prism
Original sin huh
merry pewter
Speculation time!
spring blaze
makes sense because in the bible, in eden the first sin was committed
aka disobeying god’s orders and submitting into temptation. eve was tempted by the snake and went against god’s wishes and ate the fruit of the forbidden tree, and told adam to do the same
something like that
funny enough, the concept srts said that the stuff they used to power things (aka like the material of the rocks) is also the cause of their downfall.. greediness? temptation?
obtuse vapor
(Again I’m really sorry for being so late) Heres my take on the vault: the whole think is a real tower, and the lamp stuff on the shelves are the “books”. These books are basically hologram-ish memories that are stored, and when activated, it will play a memory (it could be used for information). And as the player keeps activating the certain “books” (idk what to call them), the holograms project themselves into the area, making it look a certain way. The summit level looks really big but that’s just the hologram, and there are also barriers in the higher levels so whatever’s beyond that is just part of the projection. (This is kinda why I like to call the place the hologram library. I wish we were able to activate more of those things)
God that’s so incoherent I’m sorry!!
frigid tree
This weird question is not part of the topic but I often wonder why rain hurts us when swimming in water doesn’t
modest skiff
I...honestly havent figured that one out yet
obtuse vapor
Could it also make sense if the elders actually got to make their own holograms for the levels of the vault? Makes sense that the first level is kinda boring, the second level is controlled and comfortable, and then they third level is where it all gets messy (cause forest is teenage lol)
modest skiff
Hmm
obtuse vapor
Also the rain is super weird because I always thought it came from the clouds but clouds are good
spring blaze
i remember someone saying that the realms are pretty much.. frozen in time? if that makes sense
nothing ever changes
theyre stuck in that specific time of the day no matter where we go
frigid tree
oh w o w that is really interesting
spring blaze
like daylight prarie is forever, well, in the day. its in the name
forest will never start and stop raining. the river water never rises as the rain progresses
spring blaze
it does resemble life actually
frigid tree
It does
frigid tree
They did?
proven sigil
yeah
spring blaze
isle: dawn, birth
prairie: day, childhood
forest: rain, teenagers
valley: sunset, adulthood
wasteland: dusk, midlife crisis/entering old age
vault: night, old age/nearing the end
eden: storm, death/reincarnation
frigid tree
Boom
proven sigil
its the circle of liiiiife~
and it moves us aaaaalllllllll~
frigid tree
Hey that’s true 😂
And it resembles how beautiful life can be, especially as a child. Until you get older and things happen aka the rain, krill, etc. Since at first it’s all gorgeous but then when you go to the wasteland and Eden, Krill can be terrifying especially when you’re a newbie
spring blaze
the whole thing reminds me of this one movie quote that like, he got from a book lmao
”he says life is round; we’re stuck in this wheel of living and dying. an endless circle. until someone breaks it”
snow loom
a friend mentioned an eden elder in progress?
merry pewter
Interesting that the areas all have different ages tied to them! No wonder the game gets scarier as you progress, its not just for a more challenging game as you progress but it also has a meaning to it. I like that.
snow loom
I think this would be the channel to ask about it
ocean ivy
Recently got a pic of the dev room with this explanation!
Well, what represents what at least
snow loom
I just thought it was interesting seeing as there were 7stars
tulip olive
what’s vault then
It’s between midage and aging
Like reviewing the whole life?
Also I start from wasteland after rebirth now so lol
Entering mirage immediately after rebirth, totally makes sense
pulsar dragon
there’s a clear image of the words somewhere...how they got a clear picture im not sure but i swear ive seen one
spring blaze
witchcraft
hollow pier
@pulsar dragon WE NEED THAT DESPERATELY
Or are you thinking of the summaries of each level in the concept art storyline album
spring blaze
i think they mean the actual poster in the office
hollow pier
@snow loom there IS an elder for Eden and we learnt in the last livestream that they’re ‘not around’ anymore or something
spring blaze
because some of the words in the poster are similar to the ones in the album
sly kestrel
In the poster eden is known as “storm” and ig the elder was gonna be related to the king but I think it got removed
hollow pier
I thought they meant the actual poster too @spring blaze but since chicky wasn’t certain I was offering an alternative to what they remembered
sly kestrel
On the bottom it shows the models of the prince, king, and corrupt king
Maybe they were gonna be elders for eden
hollow pier
What we also know about the Eden elder is they came from the clouds (the intro shows this, does anyone have a pic?) while the other elders fell from orbit/the megabird/that symbol
hollow pier
That’s the one
snow loom
Probably gonna sound stupid but on a since since we can’t gather the eden elder mean we can fully complete the quest?
hollow pier
Well, it’s believed that the Megabird is the narrator saying collect the lost stars (stars=ancestors) and we return everyone back to the megabird except the Eden elder/whatever fell from the clouds but here’s the thing
Whatever fell from the clouds didn’t come from the megabird, so we still return what the megabird lost
snow loom
What was their role seeing as they fell from the cloud
spring blaze
yeah they were living in like space when they fell
so they weent part of the megabird when they fell to the clouds ig
hollow pier
Or maybe they came into being when the others fell? Like how mantas and birds are interchangeable with light and coalesce when the light leaves the clouds
Maybe the Eden elder did the same thing?
There was enough natural light in the clouds that they just materialised
spring blaze
if they came into being then why is the sky kingdom so dead
snow loom
Could make sense that an entire elder could manifest with the 6 stars falling
hollow pier
@spring blaze I don’t follow sorry
humble barn
Devs did say something like we have no Eden elder anymore, but did not say there is no king in the game.
It was also confirmed that the spirits and elders are different entities, so isn't it possible that there was a king but the king was not one of the elders?
Like in human history, the spirit king might have claimed himself to be one of the god-like elders and built huge statues of himself.
wind bone
They said there was an eden elder but we don’t see them in game because there’s nothing to save
snow loom
Maybe the reason eden went down hill if they were made from the light
hollow pier
*they confirmed elders and us skykids are different, ancestors weren’t mentioned
spring blaze
like you mentioned that they came into being when they fell, then u said its like the mantas and birds where they just materialize from the clouds
if spirits are like that then why is the sky kingdom so dead
snow loom
Then they were more easily corrupt able
wind bone
I think sky kids being different implies that they’re different from the other ancestors
spring blaze
unless they were never spirits.. which would make sense considering spirits are like ghosts
snow loom
Hence leading to them becoming the driving force of the darkness
wind bone
Since we are from a different time
spring blaze
like i mean they weren’t spirits when they died. they were probably like us
kinda like rocks that has light
if that makes any sense
then when they died they turned to spirits
hollow pier
@spring blaze maybe it’s not a common occurrence? MAYBE OH MAYBE IT DID HAPPEN AGAIN when the kids came, and that’s how the child of light came to be? Idk
snow loom
I can’t tell if I sound stupid or not with my idea for the eden elder
spring blaze
the difference in us is that unlike the spirits we have the power to like be reborn everytime
hushed steeple
@hollow pier maybe the child of light is the Big Bang of the story
spring blaze
we can live through the same thing yet do different things
whereas the spirits are stuck in their memories and having the time of their life in orbit lol
hollow pier
@wind bone could we get my collection of quotes from all the livestreams pinned? There’s a fair amount of lore in them, I can repost it of course
wary prism
the dance 
spirit looks a lot like us so it seems like the difference isn't physical but rather the ability to be reborn thing ginsy is saying
snow loom
Yeah most of the family spirits look similar
wary prism
the little kid in the valley hands on hips stance had me thinking they were completely different beings but the dance emote makes it seem like we're pretty similar
spring blaze
they should use the little kid spirit base more!!
hollow pier
Oh! I didn’t know that. I still think something pinned in this channel would be neat, and not to discredit chicky (very impressive work) but my quotes are nice and easy to read without opening a link
I will be diving into that soon, @pulsar dragon thank you ever so much for your hard work!
sly kestrel
Even tho he still a kid, he still manages to be taller than all of us 😐
wary prism
i'm sorry for blocking your view
spring blaze
wary prism
spring blaze
im kinda getting the vibe that we skykids are modelled after the ancestors
something that isnt them but familiar looking
wary prism
we're not as alive as them i think? we have to learn emotions from them so it feels like we're more of little stones carved to look like them with souls stuck in sent down to help the spirits ascend back up to where they came from
spring blaze
i think the spirits would be terrified or suspicious if they saw a different version of us lmao
like if we were just goop instead of skykids
hollow pier
If we’re being technical the spirits are kids wearing big boy (and girl and other) clothes
spring blaze
theyre not alive yeah but i mean if we have the quest to return them back home, they gotta at least have a bit of trust in us to do so right
so we were based off of what the ancestors looked like
wary prism
the way our heights used to be able to be resized by rebirth makes me think that our bodies aren't exactly ours? either projections from our soul (sort of like steven universe 👀) or just little models our souls get inserted into
spring blaze
if that makes any sense
humble barn
Oh there's no confirmation of the spirits and elders being different entities, sorry! Still I think the elders and the spirits are different species. We see people on the ground when the stars fell (in isle murals). They did confirm (in the last Japanese livestream) that the fallen stars in those murals were elders so I probably mixed up what they said and what they hinted
wary prism
oooo was that in the last livestream? i got to finish watching it
hollow pier
I wonder if it was the elders that fell or the entire constellation?
sly kestrel
I’m pretty sure we are completely different than the spirits and ancestors. I mean like we are 2 or 3 times shorter than them, and we only look like them bc we are copying what they wore and their emotions.
wary prism
i thought it was the entire constellation
sly kestrel
I think it was, in the intro it showed the whole constellation and to get the whole constellation we need spirits
wary prism
the elders help us return the spirits upwards once we finish watching the temple cutscenes
hollow pier
The last live stream they said: elders and kids are different, the eden elder ain’t around, uhm I think that was it
sly kestrel
True true
humble barn
in the last Japanese livestream, yes
spring blaze
i think the spirits, elders and skykids are all different entities
sly kestrel
But when we relieve their memories they seem to be like normal civilized people in their realm
spring blaze
the spirits has different body shapes but theyre repeating and they’re all relatively the same
elders however are taller and bigger compared to spirts
and we came after
sly kestrel
We are short short
spring blaze
very
wary prism
I think the memories we relive are the spirits after they've sort of settled down and started building things once they fell
the intro has the stars falling then building the temples
so it seems like the spirits kinda just adapted? and then kept on living down on the ground i think
spring blaze
makes sense honestly
you think thats why they have capes? why we have the levitate emote?
so they could return home in some way
by flying
by levitsting urself
sly kestrel
I think the emote was jus one of the spirits abilities but u might be right about why they have capes
wary prism
i feel like with eden's positioning up in the air sort of breaking apart (maybe because the diamond that lifted it was too strong?) they were trying to build things that could get them as high as possible
wary prism
yeah!
spring blaze
that’s probably the only theory i actually like and support
for the most part i agree to many diff theories but i like to mention the eden theory i have
and what ans said
its basically just about how the spirits built higher and higher to feel closer to their home
wary prism
vault was them trying to build a tower up real high to prep for building eden to get eeeeven higher
spring blaze
you could say it was like the elevator to eden
sly kestrel
I noticed that in the intro, eden appeared when it said that the stars made a new home, and it seemed to have been built by one of the fallen stars, so why would they want to go up there? Their original home was orbit when their light was “infinite”
wary prism
they fell first before building eden
sly kestrel
And I wanna say that it was probably their way to get back to orbit but, if they knew how to get back to orbit, why did they build new homes in the first place?
Yea they did
hollow pier
Eden was built to be their home, and the Eye was how they wanted to get home imo
wary prism
sly kestrel
But if they knew how to get back home, what’s the point of building al the other realms, jus to start new civilization???
hollow pier
It took all the realms together to build the Eye, definitely
sly kestrel
My whole theory story is based on the king but it turns out, the king got removed so now I’m jus like FJDNJDHEJSJDHFJ
hollow pier
Nono the king isn’t removed
wary prism
hmmm each level has progressively more advanced tech so it seems like they fell and then slowly started advancing their tech till they could build eden
they made a new home in the clouds since they fell from orbit and wanted to try rebuild or advance maybe?
eden's temple is the last one that appears in the intro
hollow pier
The king has statues in wasteland, they just don’t physically appear that we’re aware
wary prism
they said in the livestream that the eden elder isn't in the game anymore i think
sly kestrel
In the poster at the dev room, the king, prince and corrupt king supposed to be in eden ig but......why haven’t we seen them 😔
hollow pier
They said something like there was an elder but they’re not rescue able
@sly kestrel how do you know the child of light we hug isn’t the king or prince?
wary prism
the one we hugs height changes to match ours
sly kestrel
But
If u are right, why is it in our skykid form instead of their diamond head statue body
hollow pier
The devs confirmed the winged light are all imprints left behind by someone we’re “connected to” and I really REALLY really don’t think it’s ourself
sly kestrel
I also heard that the kid we hug is mega bird so honestly idk anymore
wary prism
sly kestrel
I mean, there were kids fallen in eden alllll over the place, maybe we were connected to them
hollow pier
We’re maybe also megabird so the light kid in Eden could be both megabird and king/or prince
sly kestrel
Maybe whoever brought us life tried to get other kids to do our mission too but they failed in eden
And that’s why we have wings, it’s their old wings that they had and maybe we were jus giving it back at the end
Also “indifferent” sky kids look kinda cool
spring blaze
possibly
hollow pier
All winged light except from orbit come from the Child of Light
sly kestrel
The thing about old concept arts is that.....they are old concept arts. Throughout the progression of this game, the story constantly changed
hollow pier
A summary of lore from live streams 0-7
https://youtu.be/f0XBmzddf40
“One night all the stars were gone” Children of Light is the first chapter about the kingdom of Sky. The stars in the intro refers to spirits/ancestors NOT winged light. Winged light=/=stars
“The world of Sky has a rich ecology of light and dark” darkness IS a natural part of the world not something the ancestors did
“Dark creatures and dark plants will try to take light from you” (confirmation dark plants take light)
“Where do the creatures come from in Sky?” “The creatures in Sky are connected to the light and born from the light (...) that’s their origin and where they come from (...) so you’ll actually see creatures emerging from the clouds and manifesting as the light sort of comes together. You can also think of it as almost like atoms or molecules, like as the light comes together new life is being born”
Winged light: “Throughout the world there are these imprints this child of light, a character you are connected to and have a relationship with” frequently called shiny bois by devs and in one later livestream “shiny bois” is referred to as something they should maybe not say while streaming, spoiler maybe?
https://youtu.be/wcgkkasyQBo
“[Vault] becomes like a dreamlike journey (...)” question: how does the elevator work “(...) left it up to interpretation (...) is it real? Is it a dream? Well later in the level we do have something to hint at that” from the livestream with the vault’s dev Atlas
“I wanted to make Vault kinda like a dream or memory and the memory is not like things in the real world and the memory is not isolated from the real world. The world in other levels. And you can kind of see connection between that and that.” Atlas talks about the manta shout as an example “and they (the mantas) also gives you a hint about that." then Robert says “So the mystery remains”
@pulsar dragon you may want to check out the first YouTube link in that message I posted
sly kestrel
I jus hope.....they don’t change the story again later on as the game gets older
spring blaze
they most likely will
the game is still very young and even during beta the way lore was shown ingame has changed a whole bunch
sly kestrel
Yuppp
spring blaze
as new areas and spirits comes, especially since seasons are actually PART of lore, its gonna expand and change and expand and change
sly kestrel
I read the pinned messages and the translated concept story of the game and MAN it was way different than the one we have right now
obtuse vapor
I just hope they don’t change what’s already canon, at least
sly kestrel
Yea it would suck if they suddenly said “today we are removing all the elders”
obtuse vapor
Or “oh sky is actually a dream and now you wake up from a coma! :)” cliche
spring blaze
man remember when you used that trope to end your creative writing assignment back in grade school and thinking you were so smart for doing so
obtuse vapor
I love Pokemon
sly kestrel
“Turns out u were jus a kid in a hospital with a coma and u made up a whole fantasy” 🙃
spring blaze
YEAH LMAO
sly kestrel
Jus sumtin to talk about since I’m bored
I’ve mentioned this lots and lotssss of times and still questioning....
Who is that person kneeling down in front of eden, and why is he/she holding a ball
I wanna say it’s the king bc that figure has the eden crown but....I have a feeling it’s something else
junior wadi
It kinda looks like they’re about to eat the ball. Reference to the whole eden/original sin thing mentioned earlier?
wary prism
sly kestrel
Is it jus me or.... everyone has a doodled sky profile pic now
sly kestrel
I can’t draw 😭😭
spring blaze
"it grants power but also the source of their corruption"
- something like that in the character design album
sly kestrel
Meatball of power
spring blaze
you dont need to be a good artist! literally just do a very badly done sketch of ur skykid
junior wadi
Eden elder ate the meatball of corruption and caused an entire society to fall
sly kestrel
My skykid is very detailed
spring blaze
so maybe the ball is like.... uhhh light?? and they were like "lets not get ahead of ourselves" but they did anyway
sly kestrel
that would explain the corrupted king
spring blaze
^
king got power hungry
in another part of the concept arts the king himself IS eden
junior wadi
Eden elder transformed into, or is trapped within, the giant diamond thing in eden?
wary prism
the figure's stance reminds me of vault mom
she grasps a diamond in a similar fashion in the vault cut scene i think
spring blaze
its probably nothing but a neat detail but i noticed that skykids has their lil mumbles
its super cute
sly kestrel
If u like neat details, have u noticed that our little sky kids have a heartbeat when we are holding hands with our friends
marsh citrus
Aww
spring blaze
i did jay!
when you're about to die in eden (lost all your stars) you'll hear a heartbeat as well, and it even slows
marsh citrus
Ongomgomgogm what
marsh citrus
Yes isn’t the fish beautiful
sly kestrel
See the resemblance 😏😏
If ur new to this, look at the figure in front of that eden mural and it shows a person with a crown VERY similar to the other pics
humble barn
(In the last Japanese livestream) they repeatedly said that they want to reveal the secrets of the elders in game so the information they shared with us in the livestream (except for the information on old designs?) will eventually be introduced to us in game anyway.
I said earlier that they did confirm that the fallen stars in isle murals were elders, but it was not true (sorry again!). They were referring to the opening cutscene, not the isle murals.
I still think the stars in the isle murals are also elders, but that was not what they confirmed.
hollow pier
@humble barn we can see the elders together in orbit if we summon them
humble barn
Oh thank you they meant orbit then! I was not sure if we could see more than one elders at once there. I only have completed the vault constellation
hollow pier
The cutscenes are outside space and time, but can still affect the real world. Goes nicely with my theory the cutscenes take place in the personal realm of each elder! Like the black water place we go to when we die (our personal realm), or how orbit is probably the personal realm of the megabird
glossy wasp
hushed steeple
The kid spirit here looks about our size...
merry pewter
Off topic but that is such a cute cape
spring blaze
it's a kid baby so it makes sense
i LOVE that sort of body shape. i wish they use it more!!
abstract badger
I feel like each emote is a tradition or something
Like, bowing and hide-and-seek
Or how some of this season’s spirits teach you how to make confetti with your hands
And sparks
Ya know?
scarlet wren
for little sky kids that can stand on fire pits without issue, i think making sparks is pretty safe for them hehe
merry pewter
Ohhh you right
obtuse vapor
You think our bodies might be a light projection of that blue stone thing?
marsh citrus
quaint peak
LOL
brazen solstice
Anyone here?
spring blaze
sand abyss
All hail Mr Cucumber!
brazen solstice
I feel like this game is take place during post-apocalyptic. You can see the Observatory at Eden zone 2.
merry pewter
That and theres the entire Golden Wasteland thing
Looks pretty apocalyptic to me haha
obtuse vapor
Observatory?
ocean ivy
Remember seeing this slooge from the wasteland pipes here.
What even happened to this place to pollute it so badly?
Considering how clean the vault and valley is. Albeit the vault looks to be preserved in a way.
brazen ledge
Wasteland's location could have something to do with it since it's far below Valley if the clouds are any indication, waste from Valley and the like could easily end up "downstream"
Or if nothing else and it originates from Wasteland, it just doesn't have much place else to go
spring blaze
from isle to valley, it shows that we and the land are getting higher, but once we enter wasteland we’re sucked right back down to the ground
i kinda had a thought that they just decided to dump their pollution to wasteland since its not in the clouds
hushed steeple
Yeah I agree
lunar shuttle
If I could ask a question... which constellation is the no face mask in? Which emoji spirit? Thanks!
vestal hawk
It's in the valley constellation for thirty hearts, from the 'arms crossed' stance
vestal hawk
Catdog
hushed steeple
yES
brazen ledge
Krill? Cucumber? Krillcumber?
spring blaze
damn not a lotta theory talk here
here's something to talk about: one of cry spirit's friends has a book
or bag. whatever it is its something
raw grail
i remember i talked about that a long time ago, if you look at the apology spirits memories, you can actually see the same person with them as well
here was the photo used
sly kestrel
I thought it was a bag
raw grail
i think it is a bag
hushed steeple
:O
hollow pier
If anyone is recording spirits I recommend finishing up before/in case they remove reliving spirits (to prevent confusion), that’s what the beta update did today
Myself and others have suggested a toggle in #beta-feedback
spring blaze
there’s probably confusion around them
especially to the newer players who just relieved the spirit but then they see it again snd go “wait dont i already have it?”
vestal hawk
Also some people start spirit memories to get dark plants that only appear if you relive them. They leave them there and idk it might be confusing people as well
spring blaze
yah
sly kestrel
That’s actually a really cool design.....why’d they change it to a default spirit 😔
spring blaze
looking a lot like the forest elder
modest skiff
🤔
real topaz
I just finished the Eden thing, and I think this sums up... me.
I have so many questions. Main one is, are you supposed to die???
livid crypt
@real topaz this channel is mainly lore discussion. your question would be better addressed to #eden-spoilers. I know the channel list is kind of a maze!
real topaz
Whoops, my bad!
spring blaze
do you think that the music sheets contains a hint of lore?
ive been thinking abt this for a while
sand abyss
want to do the honour to start the music sheets theory 👀?
sand abyss
actually now you brought it up, Music Sheets _and _ the Calls spirits ( been thinking about them for a while )
spring blaze
i'd love to start the music theory though ;) despite having a lot of other side projects for this channel specifically like the environment albums and what the spirits roles are
i posted a vid a while back on the lvl 4 faint spirit i think?
it where you can hear snoring and mumbling
its probably just their default voice though (human)
sand abyss
that and heartbeat
spring blaze
you can really hear how child-like the sound from this haha
sand abyss
which is really cute honestly
hushed steeple
Time to level up my faint
zealous sedge
Same.
abstract badger
Well, obviously the candle is the heart of the child
When you take it out, the little light on your cheat disappears
Without it you’re basically a ghost
And I’m assuming that death in eden is the wax hardening
All in all, Sky Children are Wax Children
Anybody here watch Mune?
spring blaze
no need to spoiler stuff here, even the office!
abstract badger
Basically the same species as Glim
Oh, okay
So my theory is Sky Children = wax children
finite onyx
I thought they were like candle children!
obtuse vapor
Then the crystal-like think we turn into in Eden could be sort of a wick?
spring blaze
like when you're about to die?
cobalt garnet
hexed turret
season of memories
mortal aurora
idk what chat to put this in but i’d like to personally thank the devs for ||putting a spirit in the middle of thr sky in the office because i for some reason found that overwhelmingly funny||
crimson grove
You don’t have to spoiler tag things here, but messages should be relevant to lore discussions
hollow pier
The only things we spoiler tag here are spoilers from other games or media, and those only get mentioned if relevant
For example there was a strong correlation between the megabird and a Phoenix related manga where spoilers from the manga got censored
raw grail
no no, your cat was trying to say something there.
hollow pier
The GTR T45 for Wasteland?
soft carbon
Lol
Also I dunno if anyone else has noticed but when sky children walk they leave a literal trail of light
Like when they walk through grass and flowers those around the sky kids’ feet glow and it’s really cool
gentle trout
Is discussing theories about the game considered a spoiler?
Well if yes.. then is there a theory where like the guardians are actually like the makers of the sky kids so like the guardians are like parents ya know to the sky kids
And they just let their children on the journey to learn to be a guardian like them or sumthing...
spring blaze
@gentle trout a lot of theories here relates to eden and what the devs put in the office area, so yeah theres a lot of spoilers
gentle trout
Icic👌🏽
green pine
All of which can be talked about in here freely without needing spoiler boxes