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#lore-discussion-spoilers
scarlet wren
you know how the first Krill room resembles the forest temple? It looks a lot bigger than it though. The game refers to the meditation circle (for gratitude) as the broken temple as well.
However that means there’s TWO temples in the wasteland. During a war they obviously don’t have the time to create another one. Is the first temple the original one for the Wasteland Elder? the Waste’s stone appears broken too.
Did they actually MOVE his shrine because the Vault’s entrance was just safer for them, hence why the wasteland temple still stands? Did the temple have an elder before hand? or was it simply an entrance to the vault?
The temple has symbols relating to eden (star pillars), did it originally honour the King? But that could be not true bc his shrine would have to be at eden. But if it did house his Shrine, it must’ve been torn down.
Basically, why are there two temples in the wasteland? (Broken temple and Waste Elder)
sand abyss
_l o r e i n t e n s i f i e s _
hollow bobcat
I’ll look at the wasteland area again, I don’t recall the similarities to Forest Temple.
wraith wigeon
In regards to forest and wasteland the temple design in forest and the design in first krill room is pretty identical
rocky wing
It could actually be the same temple. Before the catastrophe and after. The diamond in Eden seems to affect gravity, maybe it affects time too?
wary prism
the landscape of the area is pretty different though, and there aren't bridges or trees in the spot before the broken temple in wasteland
plus the temple in forest is elevated and fairly above everything else whereas the one in wasteland isn't
rocky wing
True
modest skiff
It could be the devs just using the same building to save time and effort
wary prism
mmm they did change quite a bit of it though to make it look dilapidated so i think it's intentional?
both are built by the spirits so the similar designs in both is probably due to that
rocky wing
It’s quicker to take an asset and age / damage it than to build from scratch
Tbh the thing I love most about this channel is the thought that the devs might read it. Our wold theories would be so funny 😄
wary prism
i don't think TGC would cut corners like that though so i think the similarities are a deliberate design choice
rocky wing
I see quite a lot of cut corners, copy & pasted assets etc. But I’ve worked with 3D stuff a lot and my work isn’t far removed from game dev (I do a lot of real-time 3D coding), so it’s probably a lot more obvious to me. (Especially as I spend a lot of time looking at the gfx and how things work in the game)
wary prism
ah okay then,,,
wind bone
I wouldn’t say it’s “cutting corners” but rather working more efficiently
old hedge
more time saved to work on more things
rocky wing
Yeah, definitely
If every boat in the game was unique it probably would’ve added a year of labour for somebody (who would extremely hate boats by the end 😉
If they hadn’t had budget for that boat builder that would mean less polish everywhere else. And nobody (or nearly 😉 will notice that the boats are all the same
soft grotto
Is lore the next season?
wraith wigeon
No. No one knows that the next season is
soft grotto
Then what's this chat about if I may ask?
sand abyss
Theories about this game
and yes lots of boats
spring blaze
boats and eden is a big deal hehe
sand abyss
ohohoho
spring blaze
sand abyss
him too
spring blaze
hollow bobcat
Where is the king mentioned or found in game?
scarlet wren
As of the current, he’s only seen in the crown constellation
rocky wing
I’ve wondered that too. I totally missed what the king is or where they fit in
hollow bobcat
Also realize most large buildings built by a single culture are very similar, especially when working with large stones.
rocky wing
@scarlet wren seen in the crown? Where? In orbit?
scarlet wren
shown in the vault cutscene
wraith wigeon
Might be obvious but isn’t the king also mentioned in the beginning scene when you first start playing?
rocky wing
Ah thanks
scarlet wren
might be indirectly referenced but idk the opening cutscene is pretty vague
sand abyss
Not directly but someone theorized that’s the king
mhmm
we still don’t know who’s talking to us
on the very first opening
rocky wing
The Narrator
hollow bobcat
I didn’t interpret that scene as depicting a king. Many other spirits have crown-like headwear; I just figured that was a thing for the Elder/Spirit/Child culture.
rocky wing
It’s not definitely male either
scarlet wren
I just direct that to being the king, because i think the original constellation made reference to the king as well
sand abyss
( plus in the official concept arts, there’s artworks of the King )
oh and his son who’s the Prince too
scarlet wren
hollow bobcat
A prince too?
sand abyss
uvu shapes like a friend
sand abyss
Anyhow these two were originally meant to be for Eden/ Orbit but the devs didn’t add them in
languid pendant
what if we're all children of the king and that's why we can do things the spirits couldn't
languid pendant
id love to get the prince's mask in game tho it looks neat
scarlet wren
that’d be wild
sand abyss
an actual mask this time !
languid pendant
star cyclops mask
sand abyss
since the other regular masks are just headdress or visors
rocky wing
Can we have the season hat and the ponytail first tho please
rocky wing
The one in my avi, I mean both at once so I don’t have to choose one 😄
sand abyss
ah right! that has been suggested quite some times
zealous sedge
Has the king and prince been discussed in depth?
From that concept art, the king looks familiar, like he’s referenced in art above doors in places etc
zealous sedge
Not in the concept art I’ve seen...?
Wonder what happened to her?
Or maybe no queen required. Maybe things just don’t work that way...🤔
Maybe the prince is not a blood relation, but a skykid, a chosen one.
hollow bobcat
I get the impression the Elders/Spirits/Children are all born/created absence any sex/gender; but their bodies change over time to fit their self-concept and efforts.
zealous sedge
Yes I get that feeling too. I don’t think there is any gender in the game, they take on a form they like and it’s up to interpretation should we wish to engender them.
They grow into the form that best suits their purpose. Big and muscular for wasteland...
I reckon the spirits true form is the little light you follow. And that leads me to think the sky kids true form is that little blue light. They can alter their appearance at will so the body is just the physical manifestation.
rocky wing
This is one of the things I really love about the game 🙂 (Wonder if they dropped the king / prince concept because it didn’t fit in?)
spring blaze
maybe its more performanc issues?
like how in the concept arts the megabird and the prince were supposedly planned to be put in the game but never did
after eden
rocky wing
The mega bird might be but the king / prince I would think they’d do the same as the elders, can’t see any performance issues with that
(No clue how the megabird would look, if it’s made of stars or something that could be difficult)
hollow pier
The megabird and king are 100% in the game, we can see the MB if we look straight up in orbit, the same image at the end of the credits (different colour scheme at the very end though), and just after the office constellation/cape gate
The king we see in the aforementioned vault cutscene and we also see statues of the king straight out of concept art in wasteland
We see these statues of the king in: graveyard, battlefield, and atop the shipwreck (there’s a kneel button inside that last one)
Oh and I forgot we also see the megabird oob in the isle elder cutscene
And we’re fairly certain that the home statues, like in the middle of the ice rink, are megabird statues
wind bone
The king is literally everywhere in the game, just not in person
I want more info so bad.....
sand abyss
we need m o r e
hollow pier
We also think that the big orb might also represent the megabird, as a model of this light we fly into in orbit
wind bone
Idk why they removed it :(
hollow pier
That light might be the megabird core
hollow pier
Gah, I played Journey recently and I can’t find the mural I’m looking for, there’s one just like that beta vault mural of the king. Literally just like it I would have sworn but this is all I could find. A bunch of people all dying before the mountain
spring blaze
i mean that they're not physically in the game. like the megabird concept art where after the prince picks you up from eden the bird gets u or something
i am definitely aware that theres king and megabird references in game skfkskf sorry i didn't make that clear
they dont play a HUGE role in the gameplay itself. just in the environment
hollow pier
There’s one theory that the storm itself is what the King has become, but yeah not really involved in the gameplay
modest skiff
I HAVE NEW THINGIES TO SHOW
@hollow pier The diamond shapes on the side are for anchoring??
hollow pier
Interesting, but sometimes there’s not diamonds behind those wings, like the broken boat just outside the Praire workshop
Where is that? It looks like a bigger boat than usual
modest skiff
In the hidden forest dock area
when you first encounter rain
I got a glitch where it wasnt raining so i took the time to explore a bit
hollow pier
Oh those are the really small boats? Huh
modest skiff
Yeah
But I FOUND ONE WITH A BLUE DIAMOND
Almost all the boat wrecks have inactive or used diamonds
So maybe this one was shot down mid-flight?
hollow pier
Which boat is that one, same docking area?
hollow pier
Maybe that diamond was facing away from the Eden explosion of red rock that killed everyone and deactivated everything?
modest skiff
Possibly
But I don’t think the explosion necessarily would have destroyed all the diamonds had they been facing towards it
I think most are broken or inactive because of being worn away by time or weather
hollow pier
I was thinking a giant shower of red rocks might suck the light out
modest skiff
Hmm
hollow pier
Which would explain why the boats fell everywhere
modest skiff
I like the theory, but we dont see evidence of the rocks themselves
I think the explosion was more of a shockwave
And the red rocks only fell nearby
hollow pier
The red rocks might not actually last long, we only see them in Eden because those are fresh..?
modest skiff
I THINK MAYBE
the red rocks were a part of the diamond and when it exploded, the shards got sucked into the storm
But the storm didnt stop the shockwave
Just a massive wave of like, darkness
Or corruption or something
hollow pier
Why would a diamond of light breaking create a darkness shockwave?
hollow pier
Oh! I had an idea, what if the “oil” in wasteland that was going through the pipes isn’t darkness at all
modest skiff
This one was definitely different from the other diamonds they made
hollow pier
What if it’s corrupted light
wise storm
Capitalism
hollow pier
Because we see dark plant spores growing from pots/light and the darkness plants can definitely take light from things (mantas) and we see darkness plants growing from the “oil”
modest skiff
But not all darkness plants necessarily grow out of things that contain light
wise storm
Hmmm
hollow pier
It’s liquid because.. maybe hmm 🤔 it’s mixed with forest tree paste? I think it’s their fuel definitely for some tech (the Eye maybe)
Do we see darkness growing from things other than the liquid or light?
wise storm
We do have the largest number of dark plants in the rain forest, where there’s a lot of water
Where it could get carried over maybe
hollow pier
I thought all the darkness plants were at least near deceased spirits
wise storm
They grow all over the temples in prairie
I doubt people would be dying on every roof
hollow pier
Those are bell towers not temples
wise storm
Towers ok
hollow pier
I think those bells were filled with light originally
wise storm
But I doubt people would be standing on a bell temple in case of disaster
Also the three plants in the cave next to isle of dawn temple... why is it there
hollow pier
And the darkness sapped the light from the bells
wise storm
No plants in valley atm
modest skiff
I think...
hushed steeple
I mean we can light the bells without touching the dark plants on them
hollow pier
That cave might just be the natural growing conditions of the darkness plant?
modest skiff
The key to answering this is figuring out whether the darkness existed before or after the explosion. Also, before or after the elders fell.
wise storm
Spores have to get there somehow
It does seem to be the only cool shade environment where everywhere in dawn is sand
Dry sand
Same as valley
Desertification??
hollow pier
Darkness in general existed before the Eye went caput
modest skiff
But no darkness plants
hushed steeple
The first part is dunes
wise storm
A good patch of grass
hushed steeple
And there's water around, so like...a giant beach?
There is grass in the temple area though
modest skiff
Yeah definitely a beach
hollow pier
I like this theory, darkness plants naturally grow in moist places
modest skiff
Yeah
wise storm
The temple is high up enough
modest skiff
Maybe they grow on the bell towers because of moisture from clouds?
wise storm
There’s also a lot of wind going around
Judging from the billow of clouds on either side
modest skiff
They like warmth too, because there’s no darkness in valley
wise storm
They really do thrive in the raining forest for sure
modest skiff
Yes
hollow pier
I feel positive they grow on the bell 🔔 towers because they once had light in them
But oh damn
modest skiff
Hmmmm
wise storm
From the looks of cry emote story they’re also parasitic
Yikes
Which is maybe why were made of fire
To counter them
modest skiff
I think the darkness explosion can explain how those spirits got trapped
Perhaps the wave of darkness made small dark plants grow really big
hollow pier
Hole in my theory, if the Eye killed everyone everywhere with an explosion 💥 and sucked out the light from the boats, why is there still light inside the bell towers? Maybe the light was deep inside and protected from the hail...?
hushed steeple
Likely
modest skiff
Wdym there is light in the bell towers though?
They have to be lit by our candles before they can work
hollow pier
Originally they were already lit, before everything went to merde
Those little plants sucked out that original light
wary prism
and who built the graves?
wise storm
They’re of a smaller size though
modest skiff
OMG
wise storm
Compared to the blooms we have in forest
modest skiff
Who built the graves yo??
wise storm
So it’s still not their thriving environment yet
hollow pier
The vault and wasteland spirits built them in this theory
modest skiff
🤯
wise storm
Sunlight?
modest skiff
But what about the graves of those spirits
You cant build your own grave after you unexpectedly die
hollow pier
Wasteland spirits don’t have graves do they?
wise storm
DIY grave
modest skiff
Every spirit has graves in the common areas
hollow pier
The Vault elder might have built the graves inside vault
wise storm
To be very honest, the structure near the temples look like a barricade of sorts
To prevent something from reaching the temple?
Don’t say krill they can fly
wary prism
the hedgehog spikes!
wise storm
Right over those sharp stuff
modest skiff
Jiisama, do you think maybe the grave site in vault is a war memorial?
hollow pier
I was thinking the wasteland and vault spirits went to each common area after the eye went 💥
modest skiff
Bc of the candles?
wise storm
Unless you mean to say they used to crawl on the floor like roly polys
hollow pier
Which grave site, first floor?
modest skiff
Yeah
hollow pier
Distinctly possible
modest skiff
Yeet
wise storm
What if the eye only took out wastelands
But the detrimental effect started to spread across the lands
modest skiff
The eye definitely had the worst effect on wasteland yeah
But it couldn’t have spread bc valley doesnt have dark plants
hollow pier
@wise fox that works actually, Darkness plants and red hail both suck light out, so if the plants sucked the light from the hail OR if they were compatible with each other that would have caused growth
wise storm
So they weren’t really wiped like dinosaurs but more of a slower process
hollow pier
Re: the crying cave
modest skiff
Yeah!
wise storm
And therefore they built a library to document all the information they could till their last moment
modest skiff
My theory is that the vault was created before eden’s explosion
hollow pier
I think the Eye definitely took out wasteland and the spirits we save came there afterwards
modest skiff
Yeah
hollow pier
Vault was definitely created before
modest skiff
Like some spirits survived only because they were inside buildings and fortresses
wise storm
I’d explore but also krill
hollow pier
I think EVERYTHING was created prior to the 💥 except the graves
modest skiff
Hmm
hollow pier
And I forgot to say before I think that forest temple and the broken wasteland copy were both forges
modest skiff
Agreed
hollow pier
Wasteland elder may have been a smith as well, survived the Eye 💥👁💥 and moved to the front of Vault afterward, idk we know the least about Wasteland elder
modest skiff
Also I think it’s interesting the way the forest and valley elders are the only ones to take your light forcefully
wise storm
In the boxes?
modest skiff
Light in vault is used as batteries and storing memories
hollow pier
They use our flame to light up the statue of the king, create a spotlight, and open the way and that’s it
hollow pier
I think it’s more a Vault of technology and by proxy knowledge
Actually I don’t know
modest skiff
Wait...so when we visit the elders, are they alive? If so, where are they exactly?
Did they hide inside their stone statues to protect themselves?
I know there are Elder Rooms, but theoretically they dont exist physically within the game’s story
You visit them while in meditation
hollow pier
Well we’re all part of the megabird with those sweet Phoenix powers, the elders might just be motes living in the temples kept alive with those immortality powers
modest skiff
Maybe the explosion cut them off from the megabird??
And we help restore their connection?
That would explain the light beams
hollow pier
Thought, you know the statue by the trebuchet, maybe that’s the wasteland elders body?
modest skiff
I dont think they’d have dead bodies in the game
hollow pier
We definitely help the spirits reconnect to the mega
wise storm
What about the whole being reborn?
We’re sent to our deaths
And get dumped back on home soil again
modest skiff
I think that’s just our natural cycle of life
wise storm
Really
They bow to us at the end
So we’ve definitely achieved what they wanted us to do
modest skiff
True
wise storm
Nearly a cycle of sacrifice if you’re asking me
hollow pier
I don’t know if we help the elders reconnect, but maybe the elders need their constellation to connect so maybe we do help them reconnect..??
modest skiff
I think we help them connect
hollow pier
I don’t know if the elders now to us or the king
modest skiff
After all, the story says to bring them home
modest skiff
I think they are bowing to us
hollow pier
Immediately after bowing we see the king mural
wise storm
They know how f us and are making use of us
modest skiff
OHHH good point jii
wise storm
So how much of what we’re doing is by their design??
hollow pier
Noteworthy the vault elder doesn’t bow, but that might be because they’re showing us the mural or MAYBE THE VAULT ELDER IS THE QUEEN THAT PEOPLE KEEP INSISTING ABOUT
And the vault headdress is that of ROYALTY
NEW HEADCANON ACCEPTED
maiden glen
YOOOOOOO
modest skiff
I dont see our deaths as a sacrifice or part of an ulterior motive...I see it as a gift we are given to be able to be reborn when we give up our light to the megabird
modest skiff
We are descendants of mortal beings, but we are able to relive again because of our connection to the megabird
So in a way, we are a mix between mortal and immortal
Like the spirits and the elders
wise storm
The spirits are hardly alive
modest skiff
They arent alive anymore
hollow pier
Unrelated to the current topic but do we think the Wasteland elder mask is supposed to be a whale 🐋 💀 skull
modest skiff
They weren’t always spirits
wise storm
Can you imagine being forced to relieve your traumatic experience of friends dying left and right again and again
hollow pier
I think the spirits are mostly dead but because we came from the megabird it’s harder to achieve True Death
modest skiff
^^^
wise storm
Interestingly enough, if I’m going with the sacrifice theory then I’m also thinking about how they make community a big thing
Sky children move in groups for protection
hollow pier
The statues we become are almost definitely part of our life cycle
Megabird>ancestor/kid>statue>mote>megabird>rebirth
modest skiff
We move in groups for protection but also because we are naturally social creatures
wise storm
I think that’s just us covered in hardened lava...
hollow pier
Definitely not
modest skiff
Yeah, theres no evidence of magma or lava in eden or anywhere in Sky
hollow pier
We become those statues when we die in Eden no lava around
modest skiff
Okay have fun 👍
wise storm
I’ll see if I think about other stuff re Eden
modest skiff
Cool
hollow pier
Work>Sky>Tgc>more work omg it’s like tgc is secretly the megabird of money
wise storm
Secretly we’re all doing something by design under the rule of our tgc elders
hollow pier
We SERIOUSLY need a megabird emoji for this server
modest skiff
Wouldnt a megabird emoji just be a bird
hollow pier
Of light 💡 possibly in the design we see in orbit
obtuse vapor
i just filled myself in on everything so far so here are my thoughts:
The “explosion” is either 1) a nuclear blast sort of thing, which explains the lack of red rock traces left. There weren’t any red rocks raining, it was a massive nuclear explosion. That’s why a lot of plants and trees grew back. Or 2) there WAS rock rain and the remains were actually taken over by the presence of light beings coming back (us), and eventually became darkness spores. Also the valley looks almost untouched by whatever happened, only the orrery seems a little broken, but that’s likely just happened over time, so this explains why they’re aren’t any dark spores or traces of rock rain. Also the forest has a lot, which might mean it was effected the most along with the wasteland, so that may explain why the water from the forest hurts us, but not the water from the prairie. Also a lot of the prairie is unaffected too. Only the manta calling area.
modest skiff
Funny thing, the water doesn’t actually hurt us, it’s only the rain
Not sure what that means
But yeah
obtuse vapor
Ah well maybe the rock rain got stuck in the clouds in the forest so that’s why it’s harmful. Idk
modest skiff
Something to think about definitely
humble barn
The water in Sky is apparently not flowing. I wonder if this was intentional or not.
hollow bobcat
Assuming the concept art is valid, Dark is also a fuel/energy/power source for the elders; albeit a corrupted energy.
If we associate light/heart/fire with upward movement; dark/cold/liquid is associated with downward movement.
The liquid Dark is what flows and solidified in wasteland; corrupting things it contaminates.
The lighter areas of the game (Isle, Prairie, Forest) are more dominated by clouds, light, air, light creatures.
We descend from Forest via Valley, then further down into Wasteland.
We then ascend again through Eden and upwards from the Diamond.
If the Diamond is the most compact and powerful source of Light, its crack/opening/explosion could create a massive updraft, lifting upper sections of Eden. However. This updraft would be countered with a downdraft of dark (the red rock rain)
Or maybe I’m applying too much science.
modest skiff
I...really freaking love this
Con 👏 vec 👏 tion 👏 curr 👏 ents
Now im starting to wonder how we can apply the laws of thermodynamics to this...
hollow bobcat
Could also be the Dark Stone was used as a case to hold the Diamond inside and stable. Like using a magnetic bottle to contain fusion. However, if the Diamond came out of balance and exploded, the Dark Stone case would be blasted out
modest skiff
True true
hollow bobcat
Like a supernova throwing out all the heavy materials, leaving behind a super-dense white dwarf/neutrino star.
modest skiff
I’ve got a theory on what EXACTLY the Big Diamond Eye™️ is, and what its purpose was.
I started thinking, why would the spirits/elders try to create something more powerful than the blue diamonds? What weakness do the blue diamonds have that can be eliminated in an upgraded version?
A blue diamond, when powered with light, can do amazing things, but it cannot harness light itself. It has to be recharged manually, again and again when it runs out.
Then I was considering the first law of thermodynamics, which is that energy cannot be created or destroyed. So where did light come from initially? It came from the Megabird of course. But how? Everyone has a piece of the Megabird inside them (soul flame, as Jiisama and I like to call it), and was the spirits’ only source of light. They would combine their light store it in pots and diamonds and tools for various purposes. Of course, this links back to the first law that I mentioned. The spirits only had so much light they could use (only what they had inside themselves and inside creatures of light.) But they wanted more. And where would they get it?
The Megabird is linked to the world through a giant beam of light reaching up from Eden. The beam has likely been there since the beginning of time and is a source of infinite light. For a long time, no one had been able to tap into that much raw energy, because it’s extremely powerful.
Perhaps whoever created the Diamond Eye wanted to siphon that INFINITE energy/light directly into a diamond to be stored and used, like a giant battery-generator-thing that could power their civilization alone. They had advanced so far, they felt that they could create something strong enough, stronger than any diamond they’d built before. As a backup measure to prevent the Diamond Eye from overflowing, they created concentrated forms of darkness (red crystal rock) and attached it to the diamond. The darkness would suck out any extra light that the diamond couldn’t store. They thought it would be enough to stop a potential surge of energy from pouring out of the Diamond Eye.
But of course, they were wrong. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
The red crystals didn’t just prevent the diamond from exploding, they actually caused the Diamond Eye to siphon light at a faster rate than it could handle, resulting in a HUGE explosion of massive energy, scattering shards of red crystal and shockwaves of darkness that spread over the realms, corrupting creatures and killing the spirits the same way we are killed in Eden (the statues covered in darkness).
@hollow pier You’re gonna want to read this, fam
obtuse vapor
THIS^^
Also what if the energy they took from the megabird beam was like a star, like how MONTthered mentioned? I can see that energy turning bigger so they’d case it up in a Dyson sphere possibly made out of diamonds. (If you look at pictures of Dyson spheres, they look an awful lot like the orrery), but instead of containing the energy, the diamonds and the light stored in them were absorbed? Idk I really like the idea of them making a Dyson sphere around a star
Dang my opinion on the Eye is changing by the second!
modest skiff
Lmao same
hollow bobcat
Assuming the megabird has infinite energy, and the Diamond Eye could hold a fraction of that energy, the fractured Diamond could hold almost limitless energy.
OR
The Diamond is continually absorbing Light from the surrounding area, resulting in Dark being left behind.
modest skiff
Tbh I feel like I just had the biggest epiphany i’ve ever had regarding lore. After all the studying and questioning and putting together the puzzle pieces of an incomplete story, this is the best theory I can think of for what happened. It’s backed up by almost everything we’ve discovered so far.
Also @hollow bobcat what you said reminded me of the fact that there’s still the weird diamond shaped thingy in eden, floating beneath the beam of light
hollow bobcat
I can envision the Dyson sphere of Dark Stone becoming unstable, collapsing on the Diamond Eye, and causing a massive shockwave that severed and lifted part of Eden, while Darkening the land below the Eye.
modest skiff
I think the darkness, when it was siphoning the energy from the megabird, after everything spontaneously exploded, it left behind the siphoning in the form of an infinite vacuum that just sort of takes in the light and everything around it in a huge storm
hushed steeple
Does that explain the floating castle in the air?
That we fly through during ascent?
modest skiff
The floating castle is still kind of a mystery
My theory is just to explain the history
(That rhymed hehe)
upper crag
Do you think the king/corrupted king created the red crystal? Or have anything to do with it?
hushed steeple
Maybe
modest skiff
Yeah, although we’re not even sure if the King was kept in the final version of the story
humble barn
Whoever it may be, this one with a crown was kept in the story
I said earlier that the water in Sky is apparently not flowing, but it was not true. The water in Eden is flowing! still don’t know why tho.
wary prism
maybe the pipes there have something to do with it?
humble barn
The flow I saw was in the rock rain area, so might be related to the big red diamond? I forgot to check the water under the pipes, iirc it was stagnant, will check again later
hollow bobcat
Some of the pipes are sealed by solid Darkness.
modest skiff
Hmmm 🤔
upper crag
Maybe the contaminated water is overflowing Eden and they have to get rid of them by pipes?
modest skiff
Yeah, it could be possible that the Diamond Eye project created a lot of dark waste that needed to be disposed of, so they used the old wargrounds of the wasteland to dump it since no one lived there
spring blaze
you could be onto something
upper crag
There’re a lot of pipes in the ship constellation gate area too, maybe contaminated water flow to other maps that way?
hollow pier
@modest skiff good theory!
modest skiff
Thank you, sensei
hollow pier
Except one thing, there’s one example of concept art that was used in a live stream, of Eden and the Eye intact and operational so the Eye worked for a while before 💥
modest skiff
Ooo
hollow pier
ALL PRAISE THE MEGABIRD EMOJI
hushed steeple
Ooh pretty!
hollow pier
Anyone is free to use for their own servers or to make a better one
humble barn
Ok the water under the pipes was stagnant, and the water with crabs was also stagnant
but the water here (in the pipe) was flowing really fast so ig the water flow is simply associated with the air flow (wind) above it
upper crag
It’s very windy so I kind of agree with that. At the Isle the water flows too (I think) because it’s quite windy.
humble barn
Yeah I've just found the Isle water is flowing too! Before I didn't look around all the levels, only the wasteland (to see if we could see the colorful reflection on the water surface everywhere) and some areas of the forest (when I was trying to find out where the river was running to).
I got a nice overview of Eden, and the megabird?
hollow pier
That light is coming from the megabird or orb of light yes
How did you move the camera to have you all the way on the left? Also I just found out if you take a photo with the chat log open the log isn’t there! Useful since having the log open moves the camera to the left!
humble barn
I did nothing special just lowered my camera there ig? I was there only for a brief moment
obtuse vapor
Yknow what I just thought of? This isn’t really new, but out of all of the light creatures (butterflies, mantas, jellyfish, and birds) the only creature statues we see are of birds. That’s funny because they don’t directly help you in any way. They might guide you sometimes but that don’t exactly mean to. They’re just going on their own path and you just happen to be flying around them; meanwhile, a butterfly will literally follow you to replenish your health and will respond to your call, as if they were created to do so; mantas basically call out for you so they can help you get to a new place, they will circle around until you get on them; jellyfish only seem to have one purpose and that’s to act as a bridge lol. What they have in common is they all have “constellations” on the ground when you need them. I hope I’m not mistaken but the only light creature to not have that constellation is the bird, who are also, again, are the only ones who get to have statues built for them, even though the other creatures are literally around to help you and birds aren’t. It’s like they are honoured for another reason, plus they have their own journey, which explains them appearing, flying a separate route in the second part of Eden. I tried to follow them but I couldn’t and that just added to the whole “the birds aren’t here to help me” thought.
This is stupid long, and probably useless IM SO SORRY
Also I’m talking only about the live version. I still know very little about the beta and original story
hushed steeple
Hm
Yeah I think the birds seem to be honored cause of the whole megabird thing
I think it's similar to how birds are revered in a lot of IRL cultures too, like the eagle, swan, and crane
obtuse vapor
Yup. I’m just thinking about what they’re up to. They’re all flying in the same direction as you the whole time, even in Eden!
hushed steeple
Yeah! Part of me wonders if it's because they're so free that they're revered
Maybe the sky kids were even made to be drawn to follow the path of birds?
Maybe the sky kids were designed off of birds. You can even get a bird-like hairstyle too!
humble barn
The birds were my guide when I was a newbie, when I saw them I followed them then I wouldn't get lost
obtuse vapor
I guess that’s what you’re supposed to do lol
humble barn
yes, by design
But maybe newbies won't do that anymore because they should be getting that "tap your self to... " message so often now.
upper crag
Talking about birds, what’s about that bird in front of Valley’s city arc? The one laying up (and probably dead?).
wary prism
Leftover from beta, it used to fly around and stuff I think
hollow pier
Apparently this the megabird’s design (another 128x128 emoji size design I made)
hushed steeple
:O
hollow pier
Also those bird statues are possibly megabird statues, because they have the power of one way portals
spring blaze
there was also a bird who guided you in beta (its in live too as a cameo at this point) so i also like to think that its the same bird guiding you "home"
hollow pier
That bird is definitely the megabird guiding the player
spring blaze
yep
hushed steeple
What’s the Megabird??
spring blaze
you're in for a ride
upper crag
😂😂
hushed steeple
Oh boy
sand abyss
Buckle Up!!!
spring blaze
we dont really know whag the megabird is EXACTLY
what*
idk how to explain it honestly. its something vague in the game and only mentioned in the concept arts
hushed steeple
Alrighty
fervent whale
hgggg large bird,,,
hollow pier
The megabird is possibly god, gives us and spirits powers, possibly part of our natural life cycle
And also possibly the narrator and the big orb of light we fly into to reach orbit
wary prism
A lot about the megabird is pure conjecture though since it doesn’t pop up too frequently in game other than in the background
hollow pier
I don’t know why this never occurred to me, Orbit=megabird if we fly into it the gate might be the megabird’s mouth 👄
The megabird bird gets a key seat in the credits so we know it’s important but that’s about it
In the office water mural the megabird appears to be made up of lots of smaller creatures
🤯
humble barn
Speaking of the megabird, do any of you guys know a manga called the Phoenix by Osamu Tezuka? It's a classic manga masterpiece. Somewhere later in the books ||it is revealed that the phoenix is an embodiment of concentrated souls. The souls of any lifeform eventually fuse into a kind of mega-life called cosmozone (cosmic life) which is the phoenix herself, and a new life comes from the cosmozone, and so on.
This idea of such reincarnation was obviously not his original, and probably a mixture of various folklores, myths, and religions, especially Buddhism and Hinduism, but the point is, the author did put them together with phoenix bird legends.
I read this manga repeatedly in my childhood so I got a feeling of déjà vu in the orbit where the spirits fuse together, and some of the megabird theories I read here also sound really familiar to me. btw the phenix can talk.||
hexed turret
that's so in depth and that theory is actually good
i mean it has a plan to reborn from time to time
and can create new life
hollow bobcat
If all Elders, Spirits, and Children are created by the Megabird/Phoenix, does this mean there are no parents?
If we are created, then that supports the non-binary gender theory.
hexed turret
then we are created by an animal
raw grail
Tweet tweet all dem skykids are made of heat
hexed turret
no wonder why we could fly
humble barn
Only our souls fuse into the giant orb in the orbit, so a spirit could have parents even if their soul came from the megabird.
hushed steeple
^
humble barn
But children of light have a unique, probably direct connection to the megabird. The children can be reborn as themselves and this should be a really special thing. The elders and spirits have no such ability.
hushed steeple
The children have to be part of the megabird then
Or like
Blessed by it or something
humble barn
Yeah, or like the children could be the megabird's own children
minibirds!
minipenguins
rocky wing
penglets
hexed turret
penglets
upper crag
penglets
hexed turret
glad were on the same boat here
upper crag
A random thought tho, why the shadow of our cape is not there?
rocky wing
Performance
If you look closely at the shadow, it's a really blocky shape.
Huh, just realised. I ran Sky through a performance profiler once (this being the kind of thing I do lol), and I can see all the different stuff it draws.. but not the shadows 🤔
upper crag
So they don’t draw shadows intentionally?
rocky wing
Oh, they definitely draw them intentionally 🙂 But imagine drawing your character - would take a few hours probably by hand with paint or whatever. You could draw a matchstick character in seconds. They do that, basically, to keep the game fast.
(I don't know why I can't see it in the profiler though, maybe I just missed it)
upper crag
How does the performance profiler works?
rocky wing
You run it on a Mac, with the phone attached (it's part of the developer tools Apple provides - TGC staff will be using the same tools). Then you start it recording, and play Sky a little.
It shows you lots of information, like how busy the CPU is, how much memory is used, etc. I'd normally use this to check my code is running well, and not using too many resources.
There's also a GPU profile, which tells you what the graphics chip is doing, and that shows how long it takes to draw every picture the game displays, and it gives you a breakdown. So for Sky it shows me that it's drawing the water first, then solid objects (players, scenery etc.), then anything transparent (wind particles, fireworks, flames etc.), then clouds and so on.
It doesn't do much more than that (it's not a hacking tool or anything), but for me it's really interesting to see how the devs got Sky to look so pretty and also run so fast on a phone 🙂 They did an awesome job!
It looks like this if you're interested 🙂
hushed steeple
:O I got a Mac! I gotta try this out sometime!
upper crag
Woow interesting! Thanks!
rocky wing
@hushed steeple You need to install Xcode, then open the Instruments app. It's not easy to use though, especially the GPU profiler - it's a developer tool, and it's designed for more advanced devs doing optimisation
hushed steeple
Ah I see
crimson grove
Please keep discussion here lore related!
rocky wing
True, sorry 🙂
humble barn
Great to know the secrets behind our shadow in Sky
sand abyss
slams onto table
I know we talked about this before but
Skykid hairs are nothing but
CANDLE WAX
Like out of all colours has the hair has to be white
( with yes and exception of the winter hairs, but still! )
that or I'm overthinking thanks to the high sugars
Could also be the lights that cause the hair to form
upper crag
So when we ran out of light we’re bald?😂
spring blaze
all of our colors goes away
gasp
all colors mixed together is white (light). without light we have no color..
owo
upper crag
^^^
sleek jay
I’ve always thought our hair is made out of a thick, dense cloud lol
But I guess I see where you’re coming from
rocky wing
It's kind of the other way round 🙂 With light if you mix all colours you get white, but hair doesn't glow in the dark so it's not made of light. And with ordinary colours (think paint), no colour = white. If you add all colours to white you actually get black.
wary prism
I think the bit about how without light we have no color still makes sense in context of how our capes and other physical features lose their color when the sky kids are out of light
Rather than reflecting color we’re projecting it so without a light source the sky kids project nothing, so they go grey
spring blaze
yeah
rocky wing
I saw that more as a metaphor. The world is full of faceless, anonymous people. When you make a connection to somebody (in Sky with candles), you discover them as an individual (in Sky we have our choice of cape colour, face, hair etc.) When the light goes out you lose that, and you become faceless and anonymous, no longer an individual until you find your light, or somebody comes to your aid.
wary prism
I thought of it as a more literal thing with skykids losing their ability to project any characteristics without light to fuel it. Not sure if this is still the case, by while wearing a chibi mask I lost light and instead of turning into a small dark figure my skykid shot up to their default light. I saw that as the sky kids being unable to sustain their projections and thus returning to their default state. But it could very well function this way within the lore while still acting as a metaphor for identity, like you aptly put.
obtuse vapor
Honestly it could be both. A double, literal and metaphorical meaning 🙂
hollow bobcat
Looks to me like red represents Dark/bad; red rock rain, krill attack vision, angry crabs.
While blue represents Light; blue stones,
Maybe white and grey are neutral; elders, sky kids?
hushed steeple
Wait I just realized that the light child you meet after Eden is probably yourself. It’s always the same height as you
hushed steeple
Hshshhs when you’re stuck in Eden and can’t go anywhere else the eyes of all the elder statues glow like they’re calling you,,,
rocky wing
Wow, never noticed that!
upper crag
If there’s light and dark half, why we play as the dark half?
hallow orchid
Maybe it’s cause we gave away all our light?
upper crag
Ohh
obtuse vapor
I think we’re the hybrid, and the light and dark is also us. The light is when we’re filled with light, and the dark is when we’re fully depleted
Also it might also have to do with how connected we are to megabird. Indifferent means we’re not connected at all, hybrid is us normally somewhat connected, and light is when we’re fully connected, and heading into orbit
wise storm
Looks kinda like oil in this light
Also what’s this growing out of this pot lore buffs continuing talk of what dark plants actually are
spring blaze
those are still dark plants
upper crag
They’re the only pots with dark plants tho
hollow pier
They might be the only pots with light still in them
The other pots we see are scattered across the kingdoms near boats that fell from the sky presumably when the second Fall happened (Eden shockwave is our guess) perhaps that same blast sucked the light from the pots
Or maybe when the pots/boats fell they released their contents, like the pots/butterflies in isle
I definitely agree that all our cosmetics are the equivalent of projections made up of sky kid magic/Soul Flame/megabird light
Hadn’t thought about it in depth, but if we’re accepting that connected/indifferent to the megabird concept art then I guess we have Soul Flame as our source of magic /megabird powers hahahAHAHAHA THE AFROS ARE MEGABIRD MAGIC
When you get a new cosmetic “Look what the megabird taught me to do” ahahaha
I guess if we lose all our megabird connection when our flame goes out, we still have winged light acting as a sort of smouldering coals, so winged light is more than just Soul Flame 🔥 they’re also fuel ⛽️
modest skiff
Facts
hollow pier
Something no one’s talked about, Winged Light locations continue to recharge us after being collected
Maybe there is more to Winged Light returning to their original locations than we thought
Maybe winged light locations are where the megabird has influence and power! So touching the winged light is the megabird parting a gift to us and explains why multiple sky kids can collect the same winged light
And each one is just like a fingerprint, a unique portal to the megabird’s power?
So winged light isn’t something that returns to its location when broken but replenished from the source of all light?
hollow bobcat
Like a nexus, RIFT, or leyline.
hollow pier
@modest skiff you’re going to like this theory
hollow pier
Also I noticed that the home stone acts as a super recharge spot, a split second near it replenishes about 4 wings. There’s even the same particle effect as if recharging from a winged light
sand abyss
even faster if you stand on the right side of the home stone
circle ???
Do we have a name for it ?
Respawn Circle?
hollow pier
Home stone or home pedestal
Also in this winged light are megabird portals theory I suppose the kid we see when we die in eden is the megabird waiting for us
Could still be the prince 👑 or the king 👑
Whatever they are they give us seven wings at once which is a LOT and give us a perma glow spell/connection to the megabird
Since we’re all part of the megabird, especially that close to Orbit, that kid could be both the king or prince AND megabird greeting us
No reason to be mutually exclusive I guess
obtuse vapor
This isn’t a THEORY theory or anything, I’m just throwing this out there: lmao what if megabird is a nebula? Stars are born from nebulae so🤷♀️
hollow pier
The megabird is almost definitely the Sky equivalent to a nebula of life and light
sand abyss
<_<
_>
Mind if i interrupt with you for a sec annd
the more i look at this thing
the more disturbed i am like
what if inside that prism thing was the body of the Elder? Overthinking right now
but what if
sand abyss
maiden glen
👀💧
wind bone
You sit in front of the tombstone
But who’s to say they even have bodies
That decompose or whatever
sand abyss
I’ve been walking on top of the tombstone and now i feel so g u i l t y
wind bone
When we die we just crumble and become a soul
sand abyss
mhmm
Just an odd thing for me to realise something like this and just, saying sorry to the tombstone XD ( lots of regular bows and deep bows )
Sorry but gonna need to respect no matter where you at
hollow pier
Oh. What if the Vault and wasteland elders built the other elder’s graves.. I always think of them like shrines because the elder isn’t completely dead and has some power over each place
sand abyss
TAT and then as soon the two elders ( and their people ) finished building the graves, all of a sudden something happened to GW Elder to the point only Vault Elder alive
Well not until she too passed away with all of the graves of the Elders at the top of the Vault
gosh dangit i’m having feels again
modest skiff
If you stare at the night sky in home for long enough, notice that the stars dont just twinkle. They MOVE AROUND. Like, they disappear and appear in different places!
@hollow pier WHAT DOES THIS MEAN
hollow pier
The stars are souls but we already knew that
Oh @modest skiff I looked through your yt vid and noticed a lot the Eye is BLACK
Isle elder summons a bird tunnel!
The elders light up when we give them flame
So if we’re going with that concept art about indifference/megabird connected we connect them back to the megabird
And even in Soul form one’s flame can be relit
That beam of light into the sky after each elder is probably extra reconnecting? Idk, maybe connecting to the other spirits so they form the constellations
The elder summons a pot
There’s no switch to open the gate in the wasteland cutscene
So I definitely think the forest elder summons/conjures the diamond they made and levitates it up into the big golden switch thingy
modest skiff
Interesting
Also I have some really cool photos from discovering and exploring the valley elder cutscene map
This one is edited to see the guard statues better
hollow pier
So these cutscenes all take place in the elder’s mind/personal realm (like orbit might be the megabirds personal realm) (or the death place we kids go to might be our personal realm)
modest skiff
Yeah!
I took a video but it’s too long
Basically their place is the same place as the coliseum
But there are two massive guard statues
And a broken step bridge
Thingy
hollow pier
I think the valley cutscene takes place in another colosseum
modest skiff
Probably
hollow pier
It’s possible that this isn’t the megabird but a distorted view of Eden let’s check it out again, that’s what Seraph thinks
zealous sedge
Yes, it’s Eden, if you fly up a bit into daylight, you can clearly see it’s the mountain.
surreal spire
Huh the more you know
raw grail
my life has been a lie...
crimson grove
I had to honestly check the current stadium to process the big statues were removed from beta 
At some point they were removed and TGC left (intended?) the ones in the cutscene
Vs now
upper crag
Maybe that’s what the stadium used to be, because right now the walls crack and stuff. The one in elder’s cutscenes might be how it is before, how they remembered it. Just my guess tho.
hushed steeple
Its kind of sad, when the narrative said crowd will cheer me. But all I see is an abandoned stadium, not a single soul.
Yeah, but you hear a crowd, which is kinda odd
modest skiff
@upper crag Actually, I checked, and the elder cutscene stadium is cracked in the same places
Idk why the statues were left in the cutscene. But maybe what happened is since they changed the cutscene from its original fire dance thingy in beta, they just used the scrapped stadium for the new cutscene.
wind bone
@crimson grove remember the quest where we had to scale the statue 🥺
stoic abyss
I remember people saying here that the prisms are their power source, I’m sure most people know that so imma guess the sphere this spirit holds will be mended into a prism like what Ms. Forest did with the flame, so they hold their power source in pots right? I just wanted to show photos of my idea tbh aaa
spring blaze
yeah! @stoic abyss i thought the same thing
i always said that shes the angry emote bc shes doing labour lol
hollow bobcat
Maybe the pots contain liquid or gas Light. The prisms/crystals/stones are more concentrated solid Light.
Despite the perceived magical powers of the Elders, the culture seems to be Stone Age; maybe copper age at most.
rocky wing
The pipework in Eden isn't stone or copper age. You'd need machines to build those.
stoic abyss
Probably has a bit of the Neolithic age with new inventions and stuff
rocky wing
It's a curious mix - I suspect it's just art direction more than lore tbh 🙂
But. Maybe these are remembered lands, and they're different ages? Getting newer as we move towards eden. Would also tie in with each realm being an age of life - it's also the age of the civilisation
Am I right in remembering that there's only boats, caves and a few megaliths in Dawn? Until you get to the temple, which is above dawn and could be part of prairie
stoic abyss
Stages of life and the progression of the earth, that’s a cool idea tbh :00
spring blaze
each realm representing stages of life is a confirmed thing
its in the office level
stoic abyss
Maybe Eden is like the dark ages or something
rocky wing
if the realms represent both stages of life and stages of civilisation, I guess Eden is death/post death and also the peak of technology / post technology world? Like, the diamond thing is the final machine the elders construct, it destroys the world but takes them to a new world beyond.
stoic abyss
Probably they were trying to go above the clouds again
I wrote a little theory about the beginning cutscene and I can send it if you want to know
rocky wing
I'd think they would tie up more than that - dawn of civilisation to death of civilisation (and beyond)
Yeah, post it 🙂
stoic abyss
First cloud layer- the clouds that are above the Temples
Higher being- the being that talks in the cutscene ( I think)
——————
With stars united, our light was infinite- I think this means that there was this higher being who lived above the clouds with what I think are the elders and created the spirit people guys.
But darkness blinds, so I cast them away- I still have no idea how darkness blinds but I think that means the elders created something the higher being didn’t like so it made them leave the upper realm above the clouds
Together, the stars formed a new home amidst the clouds- if you look at the cutscene at this line, the elder in the center (I’m guessing Eden) came from the first layer of clouds and not from above (or maybe I’m overlooking that) but the elders used their flame that they found from their creations they made with the higher being to help them build their realms, with the Eden elder being the one who leads them all.
If only they had listened..- The Eden elder, with so much power, tried to reach the top of the clouds to reclaim their place above the clouds by the creations they made along with the elders, however the winds from above stopped them from reaching the top, which angered the Eden elder, creating a storm which destroyed all the elder’s work and probably even their lives.
Long has passed, but now I call to you- seeing the cutscene, it shows the star kids came from the first cloud layer, which probably means the sky kids were creations of the elders that the higher being kept with them probably since some of the old sky kids died when Eden tried to reach the higher being.
Btw this is all a theory feel free to believe whatever I said I’m just a kid who has a lot of time on me.
This was one of the first theories I made on here actually haha
And someone said Darkness Blinds probably means the Elders were getting greedy with creation
zenith dome
ive always thought “darkness blinds” has to do with corruption, yeah,
hollow bobcat
Don’t underestimate the capabilities of primitive technology in the hands of dedicated people.
Many great wonders of our earth are from simple machines and physical strength.
Maybe they never went past Neolithic because they didn’t need to.
Could the disaster at Eden be the cause of an external culture who are more technologically advanced and the interactions between Elders Light magic and others’ technology caused the Diamond to fracture?
rocky wing
Neolithic is Stone Age, there's metal from at least prairie onwards, so Bronze Age 🙂
hollow bobcat
Where is the metal?
obtuse vapor
On the temple and bells I think
rocky wing
Yeah and inside the boats
hushed steeple
Yeah, seems like gold or brass metal too
hexed turret
What are you guys talking about
hollow bobcat
I figured all the yellow was paint because the color, coverage, and consistency all varied. There is also little to no other evidence of metal tools and jewelry.
rocky wing
spring blaze
we dk if theyre metal
hollow bobcat
Looks like bone, stone, wood, and crystal
spring blaze
i think in the concept arts its sooortt of talks about some materials
all i remember was jade and charcoal
rocky wing
Look at the tops of the small shrines on the islands in prairie. It’s metallic and yellow. What else would it be?
languid pendant
the forest elder's whole forge theme suggests metalwork to me
rocky wing
It could be gold paint but that’s made with gold 🙂
hollow bobcat
Forest Elder isn’t forging metal though.
languid pendant
we dont see her forge metal but she could, shes got the tools
rocky wing
I mean, it could be a very shiny yellow rock maybe?
spring blaze
it could
the spirits had pickaxes though so they definitely mined thats for sure (ex. cry emote)
rocky wing
Gold was actually used in the Neolithic I think btw. Probably panned rather than mined, tho, and it would’ve been rare. They wouldn’t have covered a temple in it.
spring blaze
they wouldn't have made big bells and statues out of it either
rocky wing
No
And anyway the architecture is absolutely not Neolithic. I’ve been to Neolithic buildings, they’re veeeery far from the temples in sky lol
spring blaze
yeaaahh idk what neolithic buildings are but heck i doubt they have the architecture in sky
rocky wing
Look up skara brae or ness of brodgar (that one is ruined but there are pics of reconstructions, and that’s the closest to the temples you’re likely to get in the Neolithic
spring blaze
how come the drawings in the closet have like.. horns on the kid
upper crag
What drawing?😦
spring blaze
yknow. the drawings on the closet where you change ur cape, hair, etc
to indicate which closet ur going into
upper crag
Ohh i see
hollow pier
@stoic abyss it’s important to note it doesn’t say that “darkness blinds so I cast them away” anymore it says “but darkness came and the stars fell”
You’re definitely right about Eden coming from those clouds though, not just Eden it seems but the entire MOUNTAIN??
That’s an excellent eye @stoic abyss I’ve watched this cutscene multiple times and never noticed Eden coming from the clouds
@modest skiff maybe you’re right and the Eye was a way to connect all the spirits and ancestors to the megabird again..
modest skiff
Ooo
brazen ledge
Is it of any relation that the Garden of Eden was created by God for humans to dwell in
hollow pier
And when it went wrong instead of a shockwave that spread out over the kingdom, but a MB shockwave, the megabird was hurt 🤕 and everything that was part of the megabird went into hibernation/near death including light and the only thing left alive was light in diamonds or pots
spring blaze
eden is like the perfect garden, or paradise, in the bible. if im gonna go this way, im guessing that before eden got corrupted, eden’s supposed to be this place where things are/went perfect. built cities on the mountain because its closer to their home. they could finally return to orbit. but things went wrong so now its a place corrupted with darkness
it’s all up to interpretation
fallow sinew
y’know how adam & eve get exalted from the Garden of Eden? and bad stuff happens?
could orbit just be the garden
hollow pier
I don’t think so because Eden is quite removed from Orbit, the “garden” may just have been the golden age of their civilisation (centered around Eden)
modest skiff
Agreed
spring blaze
orbit is wayy into space. the eden castle itself is just above the atmosphere
hollow bobcat
The orbs in Citadel look metal.
I think Eden Castle was blasted up by the Catastrophe.
hushed steeple
Hi...sorry to butt in, but does anyone have any possible theories/thoughts on the King and the Prince in Eden?
The king goes mad and kills everyone
pulsar dragon
oh hey to yall who were talking about architecture, an environmental artist, aaron, talked about the inspiration in a super recent stream, i think it was the most recent one
the temples are based on bagan temples, in this image you can really see the external architecture of the prairie temple
fervent whale
Canon lore; skykids have only one brain cell
pulsar dragon
@spring blaze @rocky wing you guys might be interested about the architecture inspiration
spring blaze
that's really interesting!
pulsar dragon
it is!
hushed steeple
Most architecture seems to be inspired from east/buddhist architecture
Despite Eden being the name, I didn't see any architecture related with christianity/middle east
hushed steeple
Skyyymiiiii
sand abyss
Lucent hello!
Ok but yeah the designs for the temples in game are inspired by the Buddhist temples irl
pulsar dragon
yeah, lots of inspo from there. i think eden is excluded from that because it doesnt really fit? i guess with the other levels? like its a stairway to heaven, kinda. though you go through hell to get there, and i dont really know where im going with this but uhhh yeah
hushed steeple
Wasn't the original name of Eden was just Storm?
spring blaze
pretty much
sand abyss
mhmm Eden a special case since its more modern in terms of the designs
pulsar dragon
ye storm
hushed steeple
Maybe the game has nothing with Eden/Christianity/Judaism at all
Though I'm pretty sure some of the developers oriented towards it, I think Jenova (the president of TGC) is pretty much interested with it
hushed steeple
Yes, eat pumpkin by spamming emotes jsaskwjkwa
hushed steeple
I think none of the creature in sky world is biological
Instead of blood, we have light
mystic moat
They’re plants, they get their food from the sun
balmy lichen
W h a t
hushed steeple
We eat star kids
sand abyss
C o n s u m e thy ***LIGHT ***
spring blaze
sky is pretty much up to interpretation. theres no right or wrong answer
sand abyss
yeah technically ~
balmy lichen
So like i can just say that sky kids are sponges and call it a day
hushed steeple
The only one who can give right answer is TGC sksjsk
spring blaze
thats the beauty of sky lore: we literally dont have a lot to work with
its both a blessing and a curse
sand abyss
We’re all SPONGEBOB
hushed steeple
I mean yes, they could change the entire skykids into sponge if the developers wants to
spring blaze
YES
hushed steeple
But if you look at this image, only the star fell, but there's one person standing unmoved - I guess that's the darkness / mad king
balmy lichen
Too bad we only see the beginning cut scene once
And i dont even remember much of it
hushed steeple
There's 6 stars on the paintings, that's Isle, Prairie, Forest, Valley, Wasteland, and Vault
spring blaze
you can oob to the cutscene apparently
yeah
so for me im not really on board to the theory where all of the realms are in different time periods cus of that
hushed steeple
So the mad king arrives, and he kicked out everyone, and they are slaves - until now even the sky kids are slave to the mad king that ask everyone to keep bringing lights to eden
So I guess Eden exists first, then they established the other places
spring blaze
theres apparently two versions of the intro
one where the darkness came and the stars fell, and another where the stars were casted away
we have the stars fell one so that's the canon lore, not that casted away
hushed steeple
So still, the king hates them all
spring blaze
we dont know for sure but 👀
hushed steeple
Not a single cutscene (maybe???) shows any scene of the spirits fighting the king though
hushed steeple
Even implicitly, there are no indications that the spirits hates the king
scarlet wren
i feel like there’s not really enough stuff in game to really deeply speculate, mostly the concept art that gives us any indication of what the king was intended to be like
spring blaze
theres concept arts where the king WAS normal, but was corrupted from the dark stones spirits and elders used for tech (this is all concept art, so no way of knowing if it's still canon)
sand abyss
mhm mhm
spring blaze
i love referencing the concept arts but heck i dont like the fact that idk if the stuff there is still canon or not
scarlet wren
same honestly
hushed steeple
Just make it canon :>
spring blaze
bc the lore DEFINITELY changed as sky developed over time (ex. the cast away intro vs the they fell intro)
hushed steeple
Who's the storywriter in TGC?
scarlet wren
i feel like it’s more of a collective thing
spring blaze
yeah
they gotta work together yknow. TEAMWORK!
you can check out TGC's website for their staff list
idk if its all of them but they are a small team
hushed steeple
I wonder if they work crazy hours though, most developer from the game industry always told me stories about them working crazy hours
scarlet wren
there’s some spirit stories in the office, i’m pretty sure one is about some of the devs staying there all night
hushed steeple
Definitely like other game studios then xD
spring blaze
tgc take care of urselves ówò
hushed steeple
Looking at their career requirements, definitely very smart people on the team.
spring blaze
they're looking for ppl in certain positions too
sand abyss
👀 mhmm mhmm
hushed steeple
Definitely very under qualified, I never worked on the game industry before. So, I didnt see a dedicated storywriter position on the team though. I think its the result of collaboration between the narrative writer, engineers, and artist, or maybe Jenova himself helped directed the storyline?
scarlet wren
I’d imagine Jenova would be in charge of what elements make it in and what doesn’t
spring blaze
its definitely a team effort
sand abyss
Very stressful to be in a group
hushed steeple
tgc pls hire storywriter
spring blaze
“it would disappoint...”
scarlet wren
but 100% i think it’s a team effort
hushed steeple
of course its team effort, its a game studio jsksj
spring blaze
sky kids eats cake confirmed
scarlet wren
YES
rocky wing
Urgh, I really hope they don’t crunch all the time. I know too many game developers with burn out 😦
languid pendant
i just noticed these statues before the flying race have half masks
the face is so detailed too
spring blaze
looks like the twins
languid pendant
bald twins
spring blaze
baseball bats
hollow pier
This is the most information we have about the king, and it’s sadly not quite relevant anymore. It’s so interesting though because the king has become the storm or the Eye of the storm
languid pendant
i also noticed the arm jewlery they seem to have on only one arm, i think someone pointed out the twins spirits have like artificial looking arms in a screenshot
a few days ago
hollow pier
I find this pic particularly interesting because it says Orbit Story Layout Part 1 and I really want to see part two
hollow pier
A ridiculously good eye spotted that. Maybe they converted they’re projecting their arm into a different shape?
languid pendant
i think the arm things look like accessories in the statues, maybe part of the sport
like arm guards or support for the stick holding
stoic abyss
I see these a lot, what do you think are these long bracket things? I seriously want to know
hollow bobcat
@hollow pier
Is the Bird of Light assumes to be the MegaBird/Light Phoenix?
@stoic abyss
Maybe trees. Or pillars to hold up the clouds.
rocky wing
I think trees between the cloud layers
spring blaze
trees
reef totem
Sorry out of nowhere but I cannot find the channel for seasonal quest
fallow sinew
languid pendant
i always assumed trees
modest skiff
Yeah they are trees
hushed steeple
@spring blaze Happy Birthday to ThatGameCompany, all of their games are super amazing and wonderful!
ornate dove
What’s exactly the basis of Sky’s lore?
Is there a website where I can read that or...?
spring blaze
nope
all of the theories and canon lore discussed here are mainly from the game itself, live streams and concpet arts
ornate dove
Ah
cold bough
I’ve always wondered why the characters wear masks...any ideas?
surreal spire
uh maybe they just don't have actual faces?
upper crag
If they don’t wear masks it’s just a blank face with closed eyes tho.
spring blaze
probably for cool points B)
hollow bobcat
I think the gamism reason is more customization options. Truly each sky kids is a blank slate, a tabula rasa.
The reasons the devs might have are legion.
I’m curious if the barriers to text and voice communication, paired with androgynous characters of indeterminate age and origin, and lack of any combat mechanic are intended to deter unsocial behaviors.
surreal spire
i mean yeah but the best way to overcome game limitations is to make them into lore
obtuse vapor
They probably are. Basically kids who anyone can identify with, who are also fully peaceful even with other kids who look different from them 🙂
obtuse vapor
Hi has anyone talked about the murals that light up in the isle temple? They illustrate the kingdoms including Eden but one of them is absent.
worldly fog
obtuse vapor
These!
The second picture comes first oops
Now that I think about it, the valley is missing.
languid pendant
isnt isle the one missing?
since its the isle temple
its showing the others
valley temple is the top one in the second pic, large one with the horizontal line in the middle
obtuse vapor
OH that makes more sense. Also it’s cool that the distance between each of the kingdoms are pretty accurate.
hollow pier
Those bracket things are probably trees, possibly rain 🌧
@hollow bobcat it’s believed yes
@ornate dove here’s 30% of theories that have been discussed (or so) https://m.imgur.com/a/W6mXT4S
modest skiff
Jiisama you should definitely add my eden theory to that
lone epoch
ornate dove
@hollow pier Thank you.
obtuse vapor
Ah I kinda thought sky came after journey lmao. Also what carvings :0?
upper crag
In the Isle, those carvings at the temple’s door that need to be lit up? I thought they’re just dressed differently.
spring blaze
new areas gonna be added... more lore hopefully owo
upper crag
They released concept arts?
spring blaze
check #beta-screenshots-videos
granted we may not get whats in beta for live but im very excited for fuyure areas nonetheless
upper crag
Oh nice!
languid pendant
what do we think about these constellation symbols on the floor all over prairie?
are they marking anything specific? like the mantas or jellyfish constellations are there when they help you reach places but this one doesnt really seem to have any purpose
modest skiff
I still haven’t figured those out yet lmao
rocky wing
I seem to remember somebody saying they were used for something in beta
sand abyss
:3c
spring blaze
they were old minigames from beta @languid pendant
when you did the minigame a light animal would appear i think
languid pendant
ooooohh
spring blaze
theres two of the constellations here, and i’m positive its the butterfly constellation
spring blaze
it is
that bird was also in beta. it guided new players through isle
now that bird just chillin and living its best life. it often just rests on the fallen tree in the first area of forest B)
sudden sleet
I would encourage people to NOT rely on content that’s in beta to build on theories and lore connections—there’s always a chance that it won’t make it into the live version game.
Plus, it becomes a spoiler for people who don’t want to know about the updates til they can play them themselves.
sudden sleet
:D
chrome geyser
Journey,Sky and Flow seem to definitely be connected in some sorta way at least!!!
I don’t have a lot of information on Flow,and only remember a few bits from Journey; i think i can safely say that their part of the same timeline!!
hollow pier
Flow is microbiotic size
spring blaze
the flow micro organisms grew to whatever we have now lolol
hollow pier
How would you include Journey in Sky? The life energy is different (manifests as a text), their creatures are made of cloth not light, and the civilisation in Journey was bigger. I’m not saying they’re not compatible I’m just pointing out differences
chrome geyser
sky is a prequel,most likely!!
hollow pier
I’m excited about the beta content in Vault! It’s straight out of concept art 🖼
chrome geyser
ooo
I’m tryin to avoid those spoilers personally,but I’ve seen a few and,,,,,,w ow I’m hyped
hollow pier
Yeah I was deliberately vague to avoid spoilers
chrome geyser
a a i see
spring blaze
the bird call emote at the birds nest in prairies.. they were climbing on the already broken towers
hollow pier
👀 what does it mean @modest skiff
modest skiff
That the towers were already broken?
spring blaze
yeah
jade galleon
i don't think so
you see the scene again now doesn't mean all the environments are the same back the ancient time
spring blaze
i did watch the scene again yesterday
jade galleon
those steps can totally exist with a complete tower
spring blaze
it was on the same tower expect she was hopping on the left side
jade galleon
if your "already broken" refers to earlier builds but not time before the game then yes
hollow pier
That the tower is already broken yes
spring blaze
theres also a door under one of the towers. possibly more under the dirt
yeah i meant the tower was already broken when the spirit was there
modest skiff
I suspect that that is actually a half-buried window
spring blaze
chibis can fit under hehe
modest skiff
Yeah lol
jade galleon
so wdym it's already broken?
the tower was broken all the time even if the ancestors were still there?
modest skiff
Yeah thats what some people think
jade galleon
but why it has to be broken
spring blaze
when you relieve the bird call memory, she was climbing on the already broken tower (hopping on broken walls)
modest skiff
Either that or we’re seeing spirits that traveled there after the Eden explosion (from my theory)
spring blaze
the thing about spirit memories is that we dont know the time they were relieved
theyre spirit memories
modest skiff
It’s possible that any spirit that was in a building at the time of the explosion survived
spring blaze
i hate how we dont have a set time for these stuff skkdllf
jade galleon
the memories do not necessary restore the surroundings
spring blaze
they sort of do. in the cry emote we see that dark plant grow when we relieve it
same goes to yawn
modest skiff
Well yeah but if the spirit were in that spot while the building was complete, then they would be stuck inside a wall
wary prism
They do in most of the forest emotes though, like with the huge tree trunk appearing during deep bow I think?
spring blaze
they were also mining memory rocks in the cry emote too
wary prism
Although I’m not quite sure the towers are necessarily broken, but maybe not completed? Seeing as we don’t see debris from where the other walls should have been.
spring blaze
if the wall wasnt already broken/not finished building during bird call’s memory, then she wouldnt be hopping on the inside of the wall
thats true
spring blaze
plus the wall looks too clean cut for it to be demolished
wary prism
Kanpai did
jade galleon
that was me
spring blaze
have u finished it kan?
jade galleon
no
modest skiff
Oh, it’s possible they were in the process of being constructed before the explosion happened?
jade galleon
0.7.0 allows you to revisit any spirits you want