lore-discussion-spoilers

[sharp shore]

Man im being overstimulated first thing in the morning (not by you guys i meant by life)

I might rewatch the second episode again to see if i missed anyrhing

[wintry matrix]

also sorry for possible typos in the document, english is not my first laguage

[tulip pier]

Woahh thanks..
What exactly is the void?

[wintry matrix]

void is the space where you first meet the elders and where you land after finishing pnr and before ascending to orbit, it is described by tgc as plane of existence between time and space (source japanese tgc livestream)

[tulip pier]

And shattering is basically this facility thing wxploding and eating up all light by shards?

[wintry matrix]

no, shattering is the eden diamond exploding and wiping every life in its path

treasure reef facility was flooded after dark creatures emerged from the eggs sucked out of all light

[cobalt palm]

Finally some lore as to why the pots are candle shaped, they were the original "forges" the ancestors used to collect light to create candles.
Probably refined later into machinary and factories such as Forest temple to put the light into crystals

[round salmon]

(Haven't watched chapter 2 yet so pls don't reply with any spoilers) I had a feeling that box was going be used since the season area has it lol. Glad to see I was right. :)

[wintry matrix]

[cobalt palm]

I've been avoiding this channel until I watched it

[cobalt palm]

Reusable version, no wonder they had so many in prairie if they were single use.
It also makes me wonder about the significance of the Prairie Elders cutscene,
Did they realise too late that creating candles from light was wrong, and that letting the light be free is the best for the light cycle

[wintry matrix]

there doesnt seem to be anything inside it rn (it looked like theres candle for a momrnt but its just shallow texture oer the opening)

[slim silo]

I wonder how our sky kid makes candles so fast without the box

[cobalt palm]

More evidence that we are made of stone, and can forge candles inside ourselves?

[slim silo]

Wait...is our sky kid the box transformed into a moveable shell

[round salmon]

Huh, no

[tardy vapor]

Random thought: candles were also made out of whale fat fat

Im kinda curious what the ancestors used to "bind" the light

That was all, bye

[midnight sonnet]

Maybe the ancestors first crime against nature was driving bees to extinction due to their harvesting of beeswax

Or they used lard

[sharp shore]

Probably

By that logic would Resh be made of stone?

[cobalt palm]

Definitely true of butterflies from Prairie spirits

[cobalt palm]

OG Travelling rock

[midnight sonnet]

Exactly so there probably was bees

It wouldn’t shock me if they went extinct

[sharp shore]

Im gonna do the quest now lemme see whats there i watched the episode before doing the quest lmao

The music is just incredible as always

Quest spoiler: ||Oh wow there are way more coughing and sneezing sounds than last time which could probably tell us how fast the plague is spreading

Or it could just be that its raining LMAOOOOOOO||

[crisp socket]

Interesting idea-- but we don't see any infrastructure used to harvest beeswax

We only see butterfly processing facilities in the places that seem viable for bees [such as the Butterfly Caves in Prairie, which have a bunch of jars, presumably for dye, but even then, doesn't produce wax]

[sharp shore]

||there may have been a bug where i cant find the old recluse guys seeds so ill retry ||

||but honestly its not that substantial in terms of additional lore except for the fact that people sound sicker||

[ancient canopy]

||no it isn't a bug, it's just a kind of puzzle, you have to move closer to one of the vines, there'll be a prompt||

[sharp shore]

Ah ok thanks

[ancient canopy]

||look for the vines that have some sparkles around them ;)||

[wintry matrix]

Eden diamond: *explodes

Resh: 🗿

[ancient canopy]

I wonder if there's a stone remain of resh after the shattering or did he get pulverised

[sharp shore]

Ill make a sand castle out of him then

[lean light]

The prosthetic fin that the kid made for the manatee it's so cuuuute

[sharp shore]

||Lmao the policeman/soldier stopped to see if the old dudes vines were an HOA violation|| 💀

Huh it crashed my game right after i finished it lol

[lean light]

A bunch of players are experiencing crashes with the second quest

[sour sphinx]

I didn't get any crashes after finishing the quest 🫢

[sharp shore]

I made it just in time to see the next screening

[sour sphinx]

I wonder if things will start happening in the next quest, since things are starting to go a bit crazy in the second episode of Two Embers

[wintry matrix]

"All that effort... just to be used in manatee litter box..."

[sharp shore]

Deserved

[sour sphinx]

I don't want to know what that Manatee ate

[crisp socket]

hey all. I just wanted to note a specific idea I had about the role of darkness, and how it plays into consciousness. However, it requires us to establish a certain idea-- does gold count as darkness?

We see this particular metal manifesting a lot in Valley, with its ingot form present in the Crab Fields and sanctuary. We see it processed into darkstone-oriented machinery, such as the Forest temple [extractor], the first krill area [extractor], multiple darkstone switches/actuation buttons, and the armillary spheres of Valley [aesthetics]. Additionally, this gold seems to adorn the gravestones lined against the valley race temple walls, and it also adorns most of the valley buildings.

We can thus form the connection that gold is a darkstone-related metal.

[sharp shore]

I would say a lot of manufactured stuff is made with darkness since it absorbs light

I mean youd want that if light powers tech, youd need to have tech that absorbs power

Not that EVERYTHING manufactured is darkness but you may be onto something

[crisp socket]

We see the 'gold' alloy have levitation properties similar to darkstone, as demonstrated by the valley orrery, so it must be some sort of metal-darkstone alloy, at the very least. By demonstration, we can also turn to regular stone: which is often used in most of these facilities as well. Stone isn't darkstone and is inert, against light-dark interactions.

Thus, let's conclude that the "gold" alloy is darkstone-adjacent.

[sharp shore]

You may be right bro

[heady rose]

I feel like episode 2 didn't rlly show anything more than episode 1 was it like 7 minutes long?

[long vessel]

It's too early for me to fully flesh out my thoughts but ep 2 gave us a lot of new insight into how the light cycle and natural distribution of light works

Edit: As well as light harvesting technology

[crisp socket]

We will now make a logical leap: All light creatures have some association with darkstone, no matter how small. Take, for example, the sanctuary manta: it has a helm made of what appears to be gray stone, lined by golden stripes. Similarly, we see most mantas have golden lines that form the leading edge of their wings.

As the light creatures decrease in darkstone amount, they become less responsive: take the birds/butterflies, for example-- they aren't even counted as entities, and exist as particles.

I could even contrast this with the nightbird: it could have been a mutant bird, exposed to the darkstone concentrations of the Moments area, thus gaining a more lifelike intelligence, as we see it continuously fleeing the camera.

And even greater: if we act upon the idea that skykids are half darkstone, well... things seem to explain themselves.

As we move down the spectrum, towards elders, they become even more expressive, capable of creating societies, etc. Perhaps this is what Resh saw in darkstone-- the ability to transcend limits.

[long vessel]

What is the evidence that birds and butterflies don't exist as entities?

[midnight sonnet]

Well you can still gather honey and wax from natural hives

[crisp socket]

Even so, they barely have player interactions. We see with manatees, that they acknowledge, fly about--even play-- with the players. They also have a huge concentration of 'gold' type darkstone on their heads. Meanwhile, butterflies don't exist for any reason but to charge players or boost them upwards-- and these things still must be prompted in order to happen.

However, a key problem with this theory might be the fact that my assumptions that larger light-creatures are composed of darkstone might be completely false, and that these dhunks might just be bony growths/protrusions.

But we can turn to the whale skeleton in the forest graveyard: it's covered in dark plant material. which might imply that even if these protrusions are bony growths, they might still be full of darkstone.

[long vessel]

This is the part of your theory I personally really like. I could totally see this being true. I'm not so sure about the light creature element, but I'm open to it! But this, yes, I could totally see them making a metal-darkstone alloy. I love that thought process and wonder if it may be applied to anything else

[spiral vault]

Oh I'm gonna have to do so much backreading lol. Haven't watched it yet

[scenic pebble]

darkstone is literally Light crude oil/coal theory was never this back

[crisp socket]

what I know about the darkstone-crude oil theory was that darkstone was what processed the 'light-crude-oil'.

You might be referring to the idea of wax-- concentrated light derived from darkstone?

[midnight sonnet]

We legit turn into rock in Eden so

[crisp socket]

Right, so my message was deleted, not happy about that.

We can turn to spirit mantas-- they are fully composed of light and have no solid element, and they have no player interactions. q.e.d

[midnight sonnet]

I wonder if some of the debris we see in Eden is Reshs corpse

[crisp socket]

It's not just that, we also might just exist as a conduit for exploiting light! we absorb light from things and turn it into flight Power. We can also force things like darkstone to levitate, and we can even levitate ourselves. We even sprout crystals when we perish.

[scenic pebble]

the idea was that darkstone is a remnant of ancient Light Creatures that met a unnatural end and ended up going through a similiar process real coal goes through

[midnight sonnet]

We turn to stone in Eden it wouldn’t surprise me if he Resh took the brunt and her rocky body shattered into itty bitty pieces

[heady rose]

Her?

[midnight sonnet]

Wanna know what song sparked my theory

Well it’s Homay by AY YOLA

[midnight sonnet]

Resh/Alef has no confirmed gender and there’s been plenty of female kings so I make an effort to use every pronoun for him cause it would fit her character since they were pretty greedy in life and I use No pronouns for Stewie

[narrow marsh]

We sure do know that one!
Not just in making and discussing theories, but also with growing in our ability to discuss and be aware of our impact on others. It’s all a journey, and there are no shortcuts 🕯️

[heady rose]

Oh okay but aren't female kings Queens?

[scenic pebble]

no
actually it depends

[midnight sonnet]

Nope there’s been plenty of female leaders who call themselves king

[midnight sonnet]

Yeah some use queen and others have used king especially in the past cause king was more unisex in the past

[crisp socket]

those are officially called 'Queens Regnant', or ruler queens, as opposed to 'Queen Consort', or the typical idea

[heady rose]

Oh ok that's cool actually

[cloud siren]

[midnight sonnet]

No not all female rulers called themselves queen

The female pharaohs (think Hatshepsut most famously) called themselves king on multiple occasions

So it’s completely fine and has historical record to call someone who’d we refer with she/her as king

[nimble ingot]

*with context and reasoning applied.

But yes.

[crisp socket]

wikipedia states her to be a queen regnant from c. 1479 BC until c. 1458 BC, but I digress.

...anyways, back on topic! whatever it was...

[narrow marsh]

Naur 💔
The artbook says a lot less than you’d think about Elders, and doesn’t even show that much either, with most of the concept art that players fawn over such as the creature elders and the different iterations of each elder (such as the Shaman Elder and the Priestess) being completely amiss.
Rather unfortunate for sure, but those insane dialogues about each Elder on their own single page still gave us a lot of new information to work with so I can’t complain! 🕯️

[nimble ingot]

wiki is nice to read, but there is a reason why it is not used as a source for research.

Practically because it was written by people and sources may not always be factual or accurate.

[midnight sonnet]

Yeah based on modern vocabulary yeah but she never called herself that and I think we should respect that she called herself “female pharaoh and king of men”

She called herself king never queen regnant, queen was a title considered lower then king and she was the king and had full rule over Egypt she didn’t wanna be disrespected like that

[sharp shore]

Bro so greedy he stole all the pronouns too /j

hang on that reminds me of this one image

[midnight sonnet]

She wasn’t the only one also so Resh can be she/him/them and still be the king that brought the end

[narrow marsh]

Our little enby protagonist stays winning

[midnight sonnet]

Took them from everyone so they couldn’t use them anymore

[sharp shore]

Nvm im too lazy to find the image

But yeah when it comes to gender i just think the first thing i see on my mind and go with that since tgc left it to be free reign for the people

I see the king as a scary man and the vault elder reminds me of a nun so i call her she/her but the toymaker i consider they/them

lots of different interpretations are fair game but one things for certain

Theyre all dead in the end anyway

[midnight sonnet]

I like being funky with it she could be spooky gal for all we know it doesn’t matter and it wouldn’t change anything she could still look like she does

[sharp shore]

Also the king of egypt one were you talking about Hatshepsut?

I remember reading her translated stuff

[midnight sonnet]

At the end of the day it’s a free for all and I don’t care about how you look if you’re giving me greedy you’ll have all the pronouns because you stole them

[midnight sonnet]

Yes

[crisp socket]

I got a question. where do red candles come from

[sharp shore]

I FOUND THE IMAGE 😭 (its a joke post by the way)

[round salmon]

YOOO THAT'S ANGELA
MY MEAN ROBO GAL

[sharp shore]

Lmao

[crisp socket]

ah i see now. i bet the vault elder has a +55844 kill assist.

[sharp shore]

KILL ASSIST LMAO

[midnight sonnet]

Well when a magenta candle and a yellow candle love each other very much they make a red candle /j

[sharp shore]

Vault elder just reminds me of the really nice Catholic middle aged women ive met growing up in the midwestern United States tbh

[crisp socket]

seriously, please--

I theorize that red candles are carved from shards of darkstone. I'm just not sure how they were obtained around the skyworld. We know that white candles can be forged, but red candles can't

[midnight sonnet]

It’s a bit of a joke based on CYM color mixing

[sharp shore]

Red candles were probably dyed something, i mean dyes are used

[midnight sonnet]

Exactly someone mixed yellow and magenta

[round salmon]

It's funny but Angela's og story literally uses tower of babel like Sky and the tree of life (tree of life uses hebrew names; characters from Angela's game uses hebrew names similar to Elders). Anyway ignore me I love that game she's from, it's so goated. 😙

[sharp shore]

I have no idea what youre talking about but hell yeah

[midnight sonnet]

I know what game it’s from lobo corp (maybe)

[round salmon]

YEAHH LOBOCORP, the image ayngarp used is from the second game tho

[sharp shore]

Actually come to think of it, all the elders remind me of people ive met in my life

WRONG REPLY IM SO SORRY I MEANT THIS #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[round salmon]

Really?

[sharp shore]

Yeah forest elder reminds me of my 2nd grade teacher who thought I shouldve gotten an mental evaluation

Like the same vibes yk

[round salmon]

I get ya, I wouldn't be surprised if she gave similar vibes to a certain teacher.

[sharp shore]

Yeah thats why im scared of her 🔥🔥🔥

[light minnow]

I peek in here and immediatly see lobcorp
I meet more PM sweeper agents

[light minnow]

For anyone curious, the second game is called Library of Ruina and i would highly recommend it

[sharp shore]

Wait ive heard of that before i just never played it

[tardy vapor]

Just did the second quest and I saw the caring companion afterwards. It had a floating blue light, like what we turn into in Eden when waiting for others to die. Thoughts?

Couldn't get a nice picture :<

Also, Eden looks already damaged? Could also be just because their didn't design a new one but yeah idk

Could the murals be seen as a "lost" warning for what happens if you limit light circulation? Or more of a prophecy?

[trail drum]

Manatee buddy is lil buddy 2.0, he's been reincarnated into a manatee 😭 😭 😭 😭

[tardy vapor]

Lil buddy 2.0?

[trail drum]

Lil buddy is the name of the small fry from the splatoon 3 story mode

[tardy vapor]

Oh. No idea

[sharp shore]

Oh shoot i should go find the caring companion

[tardy vapor]

Go visit the white and gold flying bean! It was more active than last week too!

[trail drum]

Nickname for the companion! White and gold flying bean!!!

[sharp shore]

OH

ITS THE MANATEE? I THOUGHT IT WAS A PERSON aww how sweet

[trail drum]

Well if you go to the closet and try on the butterfly prop, it says to obtain it from the Caring Companion, so now we know this companion is gonna accompany us in this journey

[ashen fractal]

ok, I understand the shields not blocking Krill... but I feel like they should be able to block creb >< I am just sad that niether the shield nor spear have any utility aside from looking cool. I actually kinda wish there was no spear in game because non-violence seems like a big plot point. But also I get why people wanted one.

Still I feel like there should be something. It would actually be interesting if, unlike the sheperd's staff, the spear scared away Light creatures and crabs.

(sorry random mini rant, I just got done making a video and I got bonked a LOT for it)

[sharp shore]

I want to eat him 👹 💕 (the manatee)

[sharp shore]

Yeahh violence is out of the question for gameplay but its very significant in the lore

[trail drum]

Yeah idk if we saw anyone using the shields in the trailer

[tardy vapor]

[sharp shore]

The soldiers did i think when facing a krill iirc

[tardy vapor]

Not that it really worked against the stronger krill either...

[ashen fractal]

yeah this is why I say it makes sense ONLY the Elder masks work on Krill. I still wish the shield worked on crabs.

And I don't mean that the spear should be usable. I mean that just holding it feels like it should scare away Light screatures. It would be lore accurate considering what we have seen so far? But that might be too complicated to code

[sharp shore]

Yeah i mean what else can they do 😭😭😭😭

Nice going Resh

[tardy vapor]

Die i guess

[ashen fractal]

Like don't the spears still have a darkstone crystal in them?

[trail drum]

But what power would the spears have? Its only good for attacking, maybe if we see it in action we might find out more

[ashen fractal]

oh I wasn't thinking giving them a power. I was just thinking that it would make sense that if you carried it around light creatures would avoid you. Sort of the opposite of the shepard's staff.

It kind of keeps with the games themes in avoiding violence but also gives some roleplay potential to those who may be eyeing those Krill horns. ^^u

[tardy vapor]

Not getting the random butterfly charge up would be pretty annoying

[ashen fractal]

That is true, but also it just... idk it feels right to me? It's like you are carrying around a weapon that was used to hurt these creatures for ages. Idk I know it's been a while but all of them seem to live a long time.

[tardy vapor]

Role playing potential is a nice phrase for impaling sky kids

[scenic pebble]

they probably light up
pretty useful in such a dark environment if you ask me
especially as a guard, having a flashlight build into your spear sounds useful

[ashen fractal]

no I do not mean actually doing violence to anything really ><
I do not want there to be combat in this game I really don't. I just felt it would be a way to symbolize the idea of what carrying around a weapon would mean

[tardy vapor]

I know, I get what you mean. I just can't get the picture of a confused fresh moth with a spear stabbing everything that moves out of my mind

[ashen fractal]

You know, fair.
And yeah that is one reason I do not want to be able to use the spear to hurt anything. Aside from I don't want to hurt anything I just thought it would be interesting if the spear and shield actually DID something

[lament turret]

For those who are tired of the game being too easy

[ashen fractal]

That's what the Trials are for

Also don't give them ideas, they may make Eden worse

[tardy vapor]

Pls don't I already can't see krill in the later part of pnr in those conditions. Worse than the contrast in wasteland when a shards falls

[lament turret]

Okay but if you have a stick that makes light creatures go out of their way to avoid you, imagine trying to get through the vault 😭

[tardy vapor]

Those are for building patience and dealing with frustration

[trail drum]

Imma use my spear to protect all light creatures, no harm shall come to them

[sharp shore]

Trials gets me closer to getting prescribed amlodipine

||blood pressure med||

[ashen fractal]

I don't mind them. I am not great at the Air trial but that's mostly the last section. If I hit all the skips Earth is like 2 mins and water and fire are like 6

[sharp shore]

Air is the absolute worst but the rest are alright

Alef didnt even have the privilege of reviving each time

[ashen fractal]

I managed water and earth without dying.

Also we sure about that? Idk I feel like the Prince would find a way to cheat the trials.

I can do fire solo with no deaths as long as my brain behaves ><.

Air is just a pain, Thanlfully a friend of mine is great at it

[sharp shore]

I love the idea of Aleph being a naughty prince and cheating his way through he spent a lot of time being trained by the valley elders in acrobatics and they end up being a bad influence

[ashen fractal]

Tbh using the wind tunnels in air isn't exactly cheating

[trail drum]

But im sure he didnt have the privilege to revive himself from the trauma

[sharp shore]

That was the first step into his descent to madness

[pastel brook]

wh

[sharp shore]

Wh………

[midnight sonnet]

I’ve never died in fire once and I also have like a heavenly bug where the worms can’t kill me

[sharp shore]

Sometimes my screen doesnt cooperate with my fingers so dying is a guarantee when i do trials for me

[midnight sonnet]

It’s why I’m called the queen of fire ya know

[midnight sonnet]

I did in the others all the time but never once in fire not even in my moth days

[sharp shore]

I had friends with me during fire

[wintry matrix]

lets get back to lore

[midnight sonnet]

True let’s get back to sky lore not galaxy lore, although I’m pretty proud of my no dying streak in the fire trial and I feel great that the worms can’t kill me no matter how much I touch them

[wintry matrix]

if you wanna continue in current topic, there is #general-sky-discussion for that

[sharp shore]

But on trials though who actually taught Aleph how to “trial”?

The prophets or the elders? Im lost

[sharp shore]

Or were the elders just like lmao have fun kid then the prophets were their sports coaches ?

I feel like its that

[ornate mica]

Y’all I just gotta ask but if we were just in the hole/plant area in the new season, and then that manatee came out, did that little kid die in there or something??

[sharp shore]

Sorry could you repeat that again

[ornate mica]

Like the area that we collect seeds in during this new quest thing, it’s the same area that the manatee and and kid went into during the first screening right? (Actually now that I think about it let me watch the second screening lol)

[sharp shore]

Oh yeah in the second screening theyre both alive and well lmao

In fact the manatee grew up and looks like a big boy but the kid kinda grew up too (couldnt tell much though)

[wintry matrix]

have you seen the second episode? first episode ended with stewie and manatee seeking shelter in the old man shelter and second episode starts with them frequently visiting him, that manatee was just hanging out down there

[ornate mica]

Ok phew, thanks! I hadn’t gotten around to seeing it cause it was in the middle of a showing when I logged on

[sharp shore]

Yeah nah theyre fine

They wont be eventually but in the showing yeah

[wintry matrix]

they have little longer hair and look few centimeters taller so it was maybe year or two max since first episode imo

[sharp shore]

Should i watch them back to back

[wintry matrix]

thats up to you, focus on how stewie is next to the old man, the menatee being absolute unti now makes them look even smaller than before lol

[sharp shore]

I feel strong maternal instincts towards the manatee

[muted salmon]

did you guys know the little candle by the stone monument/pillar/gravestone is the candle stewie used before going to sleep

its a small and chubby little thing we can't light, and probably the only unique-looking candle so far since iirc we can light up only the tall ones

[crisp socket]

can anyone confirm if it's the same candle used in the aurora meditation rooms?

[muted salmon]

...arent those like in jars? also there's a far more closer meditation room with similar stuff tho

[crisp socket]

yeah those are braziers, mb

[round salmon]

They use several different candles in there, the ones by the monument/gravestone doesn't seem to be there at least from looking at YouTube videos.

[wintry matrix]

spam wall incoming, expected length 2 posts

thank you for your patience

sorry for killing the convo

[crisp socket]

it's alright, there wasn't much of a convo to begin with i guess

...now that i think about it, what even are spirit gates?
they're originally blue, but turn orange once enough spirits are unlocked. they absorb light and seem to 'melt' away when exposed to flame. they thus might be darkstone adjacent

but because spirit gates are dependent upon spirits being 'relived', they thus must have been created post-shattering

However, we also see spirit-gate formations featured in the abyss area as a sort of containment, which means they must have also existed pre-shattering

What do y'all think?

[narrow marsh]

I see them as mental barriers impacting us on the individual level. As you sorted out most of the logistics yourself; it’s associated with some kind of lapse or lack of wholeness/purity. It can’t have been from the past.

But turning to observe it as our lived experience in the Present, could it really be some kind of physical barrier?
(Message 1/2)

When designing Sky, the developers took a lot of precedence in blurring the divide between physical and mental experiences. Any time we meditate, we are taken into these Spaces, which exist almost on a parallel plane to the physical world our skykids can touch and feel. I’ve studied these strange Spaces to be heavily Connected to our ties with other Beings, and how these Connections affect us, and how we affect them. That’s not to confidently say that the Spirit Gates are mental blocks saying “I don’t feel I’ve saved enough people in these areas behind me yet” but the signs and notions of our individual progress is there. 🕯️

[crisp socket]

Interesting point. However, we know for certain that spirit gates still serve an actual purpose-- as noted in the abyss facility.

All of the spirit gates we can unlock have a constellation engraved upon them-- that is the assumption, until we look at the treehouse quest areas, which we unlock through "achievement". Thus, the abyss facility force field must also be a spirit gate, and must manifest in the physical, as it disintegrates when we remove the gem.

Most of these spirit gates also seem to have once served a purpose-- limiting access [isle, eden] or forming walls [tree house that has a winged light].

Thus, yes, it's likely in some part that our ability to unlock these gates is gauged upon how much achievement we've felt. However, these gates do form a part of the ancestor spirit life

or to be honest, i might be conflating these two entirely, i just... don't understand how a technologically primitive pioneer camp would be able to create the same force field technology as the abyss facility

[hybrid spire]

hi any one who likes lore. I'm not much of a lore hunter nor did i know there was much lore until a bit over half a year ago. I'm just wondering would anyone be willing to explain it to me

[nimble ingot]

what would you like to know?
(there are a good amount of topics and theories to summarise)

Or do you want just the Sky in a nutshell definition?

[hybrid spire]

i guess a good bit of it. if it's a lot you can dm me

[narrow marsh]

Wait, the abyss barrier that represents a window disappears after the alarms begin ringing in quest 4? You’re sure it’s not still there?

[crisp socket]

I believe they return after the full questline, but as far as I remember they went down after yoinking the crystal
Like, didn't the gates shut down and the metal bars deploy as the countermeasure?

...nevermind

[narrow marsh]

As far as I remember, the giant gate in the ravine opens, releasing the dark creatures, as well as the a large hatch opening above you when you remove the diamond. You then sneak through the halls and the flooded tower until you finally find a way to escape all the krill.

[narrow marsh]

If it helps, I have a moth that could investigate the windows for us, to see if they vanish.

[crisp socket]

please don't, i just watched a recap and i was wrong

[narrow marsh]

Oh okay, no worries!
Once I had an hour long debate about the Vault elevator being the same platform we wake up in front of after meeting the Vault Elder… only for the other person to finally make me realize after an hour of them patronizing my back-and-forth that the elevator and that last platform aren’t even the same size

[crisp socket]

I mean, sky does have a ton of inconsistencies...

However, I believe that final platform elevator was featured in one of the two embers trailers so there's that

It is kinda interesting though... if that platform wasn't the original vault elevator, what did the developers intend for it to be?

Also, uh, something to note-- the diamond that originally hovers above the elevator disappears after the wasteland floor of the vault and reappears above the Vault Elder throne

[narrow marsh]

If the final platform wasnt an elevator and it’s just a little stage then we just teleported into that room, which, back then when I had that discussion, I refused to believe. There is a common motif that when skykids ‘teleport’, from Forest to Aviary for an example, they are literally ascending into the Sky as a mote of blue Light and descending back down again into a different spot. Though it’s possible the Vault Elder teleported us into that chamber, it wouldn’t explain how Ancestors got from Vault to Eden in the past.

As unfortunate as observable evidence appears, I personally want to agree with you that TGC just made that final room rather poorly inconsistent. Which is strange. Why make an entirely different size elevator model to sit there as that platform? Did they make that final room small to conserve processing power since Eden is right there in the same loaded area? It’s all very mysterious. 🕯️

[narrow marsh]

Don’t forget the barriers blocking you from wandering further into the Wind Paths when you haven’t completed the Flight quests. That is the largest. goofiest example of the same barrier with the same texture as the Abyss windows being used to impede progress.

[wintry matrix]

SKY LORE RESOURCES FROM LORECHAT

speculative sky timeline by TheLuca - #lore-discussion-spoilers message

world of Sky direction guide by Theluca - #lore-discussion-spoilers message

very tiny nutshell timeline summary by Void of Shattering - #lore-discussion-spoilers message

eden king brainrot by Nekovo - #lore-discussion-spoilers message

Alef/Resh collage by kamilico - #lore-discussion-spoilers message

infolist by Le Tomte - #lore-discussion-spoilers message

different humanoid species in Sky by Le Tomte - #lore-discussion-spoilers message

Two Embers videos masterpost - #lore-discussion-spoilers message

Two Embers locations: trailer VS game - #lore-discussion-spoilers message

Tom Zhao concept art website - https://www.tomzhao.com/sky1

[sharp shore]

Please mods pin this luca always has that list whipped out

[sour sphinx]

I didn't start hunting lore until maybe after a year of playing Sky? I can't remember 😆

[sharp shore]

Literally me i was clueless for months on end

[sour sphinx]

Haha FR!! After a while, I started questioning everything about how the realms became a wasteland and forgotten

[wintry matrix]

they refuse to pin my masterpost with photos either, i tried to contact them many times 😔

[spice musk]

i've come to lore chat to talk about episode 2, it looks like the fun is about to begin in next episode, notice how in episode one, the light went out but not for long, this time though, they all went out and didnt come back on...

[round salmon]

Things heating up fo sure
(just watched the episode myself hehe)

[spice musk]

also im such a dumb dumb, again about episode 2, ||when the guy traded for the belt, at first, i thought the belt was a cinnamon roll|| XD

[round salmon]

To be fair I didn't know what it was until he grabbed it off the bench

[spice musk]

yeah i thought he got a cinnamon roll, then turns out it was something else XD

[wintry matrix]

i love to see that the ancestors still prefer trading over using tokens, it supports my theory i had before TTE that their civilization works on trading rather than money (the tokens might even be something resh invented recently)

[sharp shore]

I thought they were tokens and i assumed it wad a pawn shop 😭

[round salmon]

Def thought it was a pawn shop too either that or like a place for bartering

[sharp shore]

My friend said some of them also probably bartered because they were too broke otherwise

[wintry matrix]

also can we like appreciate how heckin talented stewie is? candle making by themselves, gizmos and gadgets (and they got betetr at it during timeskip between chapter 1 and 2!) and megabird knows what else? someone give them hammer in present time, boy is now obligated to help restoring the village /lh

no more sitting and vibing my guy, time to go to work

[narrow marsh]

The photography masterpost 100% should be pinned, the dedication is unreal

[sharp shore]

They had no choice but to grow up too fast (idk why i said he)

[wintry matrix]

they would gift everyone in aviary handmade gifts during christmas for sure

and nesting guide can teach them new stuff, nesting guide always wanted to have student (canon in introductioon)

[pastel brook]

wow!

you are so funny!

[spiral vault]

||My theory is that the manatee was malnourished due to their darkstone sicknes, so they were able to recover now||

The timeline is:

Quest 1-Chapter 1- Quest 2- Chapter 2

I think it's gonna be war first, Shattering at the very end of e4. Then again, the pacing of it seems very odd.

[obsidian locust]

Shattering may have caused war

[spiral vault]

Or the other way around

[round salmon]

They still haven't shown the krills fighting the soldiers :P

[spiral vault]

Huh, this is interesting. I have to assume it's like a few weeks at most.

[narrow marsh]

I won’t cold ping, but I was really excited to see Skyblr also discussing inter-realm fashion culture and be reminded of your current project. It’ll be very cool to see where everyone’s ideas take this! 🕯️

https://www.tumblr.com/traciekitten/789762014183636992/is-it-just-me-or-does-the-manatee-call-sound-kinda

[pastel brook]

wha.....

[round salmon]

Oooh yes, gonna read that in a bit. Love seeing the other social media sites pick apart the world of Sky, someone here earlier gave me a reddit post abt the masks in tte. What fun!

[pastel brook]

wow!

[spice musk]

hi lore chat i return to share a detail from first episode, how when the light started to go out, but didnt, the manatees started to panic

[sharp shore]

Animals are remarkably smart except probably the doves in the game lmao

They probably associated it with danger (dragons coming to get them since they come out when power goes out)

[spice musk]

yo also noticed, the two playing the board game, one on right ||gained a beard|| in 2nd episode

[round salmon]

Huh, neat. I felt like they were different somehow.

[spice musk]

it definitely proves there was some time passed

another thought is how the old man guy hands the kid their bag and has that look of "you should go. its gonna get bad here soon" ;-; like the guy has seen the darkness before

[round salmon]

His personality profile got shown 30 or so minutes ago on social media. He's very astute when it comes to his surroundings so I'm glad he's looking out for Dusk.

[spice musk]

yeah especially since dusk lost the other guy ;-; i really love that they can give the characters so much expressions/emotions without having any dialogue/words

also another thought is how even though we're getting the backstory, its being given in a way that's still like...lore for us to figure out?? if that makes sense???

[round salmon]

Yeah i get ya

[idle heron]

He’s young dusk elder?

Or is the girl dusk

[round salmon]

What?

[idle heron]

Who’s dusk

[round salmon]

Dusk is the protagonist who we follow throughout the film

[idle heron]

Ohh is that her confirmed name?

[round salmon]

It's the fanon name for the character becuase they live in Golden Wasteland (Dusk is a title used for GW by the devs). The other protagonist from the old teasers is referred to as Dawn by fans.

[idle heron]

I got confused isle of dawn with dusk and I thought taking care of dusk meant the realm😭😭

[sharp shore]

Naw they dont have a name

We dont know if theyre hopeful steward or not but theyre part of the dusk era of sky so thats their title

Oh wait i thought dusk referred to a time period 😭

[idle heron]

That’s so cute I love it

[round salmon]

It is confusing to people I will say. However we do not have a given name for them yet so 🤷

[sharp shore]

I got a warning from tgc about what i say in chat with friends (which by the way was nothing hateful…)

Hmm i had no idea they were being tracked without my consent nevermind it wss probably in the TOS anyway back to lore

[round salmon]

Huh

[sharp shore]

Yeah it was weird but i went off topic

[sharp shore]

I think cus a lot of time has passed between the two episodes

[round salmon]

Small thing from me watching ep 2 earlier but during everyone getting worried when it was dark, one of the shopkeepers had a bird in a cage.

[sharp shore]

Hold up

Do you think they kept as many small animals of light as they could similar to how prairie folk did when keeping butterflies

Probably just anything to keep things even just a little stable

[round salmon]

It was just a shopkeeper so idk, I'd like to think they worked near wind paths or prairie before going to GW though.

[sharp shore]

Is everyone there displaced or did some people willingly go there

[round salmon]

define displaced

[sharp shore]

Like id like to assume that the events of part 1 are during or slightly before war

Were they sent to that area to retain the last remaining civilians left? Like relocated

I think relocated was the right word

[round salmon]

Huh, tbh I thought part 1 is after the "two shields" and creature wars. Unless you mean like the krills and guards as a war or something?

[sharp shore]

Wait oh

Nevermind that makes slightly more sense i just assumed it was slightly before lore since the crystal was still partially intact? Id like to think war would happen right before big boom boom

So by that idea does that mean imperial/regime forces won already? (assuming it might have been a civil revolt but lore about the war is kinda obscure)

[round salmon]

Could be. Personally I think that since the darkness was taken over the realms one by one and people knew about it (not to the same exact as say the elders or Resh) but that they needed to evacute to other regions in order to be safe. But tragically that didn't go too well since most either didn't know the extent of what was going on or it was too late by the time they went. The people in the last city are the lucky ones who were able to move or were already there. I don't think it was a forceful procedure. On a darker note, I don't think the kingdom prioritized on people evacuating or finding a good solution/workaround to the darkness considering the last city is the only place left and the only ways they seem to be treating the people is by having Lamed and the vault people "check" on the sick.

[spice musk]

ngl in my point of view, they all looked like they're refugees. i had the thought that the darkness started closing in where golden wasteland temple was the last safe place they had, honestly will only know once next season happens, since i think that'll be before darkness fell at all

[round salmon]

Sorry that wasn't really answering your question, just my thoughts.

I agree Jen

How do I put it, the "governemnt" was more inattentive about it ig

[sharp shore]

Based on what Resh’s priorities lie it very well could be the second option (also dont apologize it answered it well)

I think most of them were grossly misinformed on what was going on and the only ones who knew could evacuate safely

Its unsure whether the elders led them to safety or if just soldiers did it (it probably was soldiers)

[round salmon]

Yeah, definitely grossly misinformed! Which still like hurts just as much. We really need to see how Lamed and the elders are doing with this I gotta know man

Like show Tsadi, it's his land for Resh sake

[sharp shore]

Well apart from probably Teth who encouraged the darkstone nonsense in the first place i feel like the other elders kinda just play the middle ground and dont do much else

Otherwise they get in trouble with him or people die if they diehard worship his ideas too

[round salmon]

I just want to see the kingdom structure but yeah...

[sharp shore]

Yeah man……..

[sharp shore]

Hopefully tho we see how the political structure was like in part 2

Hang on its not directly after this one right

What season(s) is/are between pt 1 and 2

[prime anchor]

CLIMATE AND WEATHER TALK.

I was wondering when and if we will ever learn about the kingdom of skys climate change since the shatter... I came up with the idea of a darkness that lasted over 400 years causing certain places to heat and cool like valley cooled and isle heated I was wondering because prairie and vault seem to be the only safe places for spirits to have survived longer than anyone else

It won't let me post the rest so please dm to find out rest :(

[prime anchor]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/14PVTdGL7iPOAJN7b4rscQGpavnxt8bTT-gb0s4p30So/edit?usp=drivesdk

All time is guestimated

[ashen fractal]

Do you mean for people to request access to the google doc?

[spiral vault]

Every answer reveals more questions.

[prime anchor]

OH NO QWQ

ITS FIXED!!!!!!!!!!

I spaced it out 5-30 years because I have to guess with skys lore

[narrow marsh]

If the journey is life, then we won’t reach the end any time soon.
Frankly, I’m okay with that! 🕯️

[spiral vault]

Interesting theory, but I think the eternal rain was a purposeful event. In the Cave of Prophecy mural, we see the Forest Elder appearing to use blue magic to summon rain

[sharp shore]

Could you explain why she would suddenly spew toxic rain out of nowhere 😭 😭

i know she CAN, but why

[valid dagger]

Maybe it was normal rain at that time she summoned it. Until the constant industrializations of darkstone waste changed it into a toxic rain. Just like real life acid rain that was caused by industrial waste seeping into the water

[prime anchor]

I head cannon that the rains started off as just a normal storm but the elder loved the sound of rain against the temple so she made it eternal.

[distant pebble]

9

[wintry matrix]

Wdym gold darkstone

[wintry matrix]

Jenova calls dawn ember a boy

[sharp shore]

Ah i see

So she can control artificial rain at will is it kinda like water spraying at the produce isle?

[sharp shore]

Aka Alef right

[distant pebble]

"All that's pronouns belongs to me" - someone greedy with a suspicious gem in the forehead thing

[muted salmon]

I went to sleep and I am now more confused even after backreading

[sharp shore]

I cant believe she likes petrichor then 🤮

[unreal gorge]

What is the significance of the forgotten temple in two embers?

[sharp shore]

Which one?

[unreal gorge]

The underground one

I think that’s what it’s called in the ost

[sharp shore]

Ah that

Based on the murals it looks like some illicit hideout where people could “smuggle” light motes probably as candles since light could leak through tunnels

Bear in mind that Resh trapped light from cycling through the world and left it to slowly rot in darkness so these folks are just doing what they can to get by

[prime anchor]

What's wrong with rain?

[sharp shore]

Stimky smell

[prime anchor]

You're a stinky smell :(/jk

I'm so sorry I didn't mean to make you cry QWQ

[sharp shore]

Oh no im not offended lol

[prime anchor]

You're evil devious diabolical even

[ancient canopy]

Ohhh also I think it's an old temple from the light era way back then being repurposed as an illicit hideout, since the city seems to be build on top of the ancient temple complex from what I gain. Kinda like how ancient roman city was buried under the modern / medieval structures

[sharp shore]

Symbolically it seems like an unintentional show of disrespect too

[ancient canopy]

Truee :o

[sharp shore]

Resh is a disrespectful young extremely old man

[ancient canopy]

I wonder if he's kind of immortal after aura farming harvesting so much light via the big diamond

[sharp shore]

Yeah but id also like to think that even with great power hes still preventing light from naturally cycling and with him being a creature of light too he’d get more and more corrupted

[ancient canopy]

ironically I like to think that the corruption gives them immortality, or some sort of, but he's losing what once he was used to be

[sharp shore]

Wouldnt that mean the death of who he once was and the rebirth of terror

[ancient canopy]

Absolutely

[sharp shore]

Im stoked for the third chapter soon next week

[ancient canopy]

I need to mentally prepare for it

[wintry matrix]

This comes nicely with name of one TTE track called || market under the castle||

[grave laurel]

I don’t know if anyone’s talked about this yet but, at the end of the second chapter when resh does his aura farming, we see stewie get sent off by the old man. Did the two make a plan for steward to try and stop the king the next time something like this happens?

[wintry matrix]

i saw it more like that hes too old to be able to run but stewie still has youth energy

"i will die in a few years anyway if not now but you have whole life in front of you"

[pallid jetty]

market under the castle can refer to the actual market under the castle (eden) or the large building beside the market

[wintry matrix]

sa far the tracks seem to appear in movie in order they are in playlist, market one is yet to appear

[ancient canopy]

Probably would be shown later on but I'm not sure

Like a scene when the krill ravages the market

[dark mountain]

Aaaaaaaaaahhh
I just caught up!

Is there a good place to start for info/thoughts on the stuff we got from the screenings/quests?

[cobalt palm]

I put this together with past knowledge before the season started,
https://youtu.be/FPqtgskMkbM

It's a little outdated now we have seen the 2 episodes, and I now know that the Steward (assumed) was setting up a toy stall in the market, and the recluse may not be the isle elder, and knocks down a light collector from episode 2.

[wintry matrix]

New two embers art from japanese cinema gifts (posted by japanese sky twitter) https://x.com/thatskygamejp/status/1949666999329792420?s=46&t=mn5oWyGDs8lKULWNKIEVrQ

[noble ferry]

MANATEE FREN

[wintry matrix]

Second art is kinda sus ngl

Feels like something from finale

Theres more art if you scroll down on jp tte website too (contains possible spoilers) https://www.thatskygame.com/ja/thetwoembers/

[sharp shore]

||BLACK MARKET||

[distant pebble]

birb

[wintry matrix]

my exact thoughts yes and|| i would be very surprised if something like that didnt exist there||

[distant pebble]

can't wait for possible castle interiors
there's most likely so much empty space inside

[wintry matrix]

of course there is, have you seen irl rich people houses?
they avoid decorations like plague

[sharp shore]

Dude theres an entire apartment complex up the mountain

Like if you oob

[distant pebble]

That place is at least village sized

[distant pebble]

can understand why
empty huge cold places are relaxing
they're laying on the floor when no one's watching i bet

[sharp shore]

While people are dying outside 😭

It always surprises me how the most diabolical themes in sky are presented with beautiful art and music and pg 13+ depictions ||except maybe that one scene in the trailer where like 5 soldiers get freaking bulldozed by a krill||

[wintry matrix]

you enter eden and theres resh like

in the middle of football field size empty room

[sharp shore]

Thats how he does his daily affirmations

“You will not succumb to darkness, you will retrieve more light. You will not succumb to darkness, you will retrieve more light. YOU WILL NO—”

[distant pebble]

actually she turns into her kid self in the end because her soul was too short due to her dying in a horizontal state
or lying too much in general

[sharp shore]

LMAO

[cobalt palm]

OMG
https://x.com/thatskygameJP/status/1949312183059292573

[wintry matrix]

lesson learned - no one goes to shards in last minutes, rip my 4 wings

crab memory photos must wait until two hours later

oh of course the ones i lost must have to be in eden

[inland cliff]

Woe is that a skycotl themed cafe food

[round salmon]

Aww, I love stuff like this! It's so cute. Seems to be a blue cream float, yum.

[normal ermine]

appears

[narrow marsh]

Personally, I’m not so sure that it’s before the two shields war. If there’s a full scale rebel army coming, anyways

[versed mirage]

It makes sense, why put all that decoration to just take it out later?

[sharp shore]

You know ive also been thinking of the two shields war

Im not sure if they are actually political parties before war even began, but on the other hand I feel like its a one-party state due to being a regime

Im more inclined to think its two factions that appeared during civil war instead, sun advocating to let light cycle through and diamond supporting Resh’s ideas

All in all its a war on scarcity of light motes

[round salmon]

Shattering is the final historical event predating Sky kids so I'm unsure how a war can happen a couple years before or after it but that's just my jist from looking at theories.

[sharp shore]

I would say TTE pt 1 is in that limbo of when war would begin, personally id think its right at the cusp of it

Probably The shattering probably happened some time during war and the kingdom died out in conflict rather than peace

I was thinking of whether or not its a civil war or a revolution against Resh but honestly por que no los dos

[round salmon]

Wars happen for all sorts of reasons but yeah

[narrow marsh]

Oh absolutely, we’ve known that its a rebellion splinter faction since Remembrance! Politics were just about completely out the window at this point, replaced by deep-state authoritarianism and the response.

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[round salmon]

oh neat!

[sharp shore]

This artbook is insane and has so much stuff, i need it

Remembrance was the first look we’ve had at just a few of the war crimes that occurred too

[sharp shore]

No but seriously where do you buy it 😭

[round salmon]

On their website: https://thatskyshop.com/en-us/products/the-art-of-sky

[sharp shore]

$175 😭😭😭😭👍

[round salmon]

Yep!

[sharp shore]

Augh,,,,,

[wintry matrix]

LMOOO NO WAY THATS CANON

i only now could see the postcard arts clearly on pc rather than pixelated on phone

shes really doing the power point presentation of alefs life

cold ping please dont do that again

[sour sphinx]

Sorry, I was being silly 😞 I'm still not used to the "cold ping"

[wintry matrix]

you can turn off the ping before you send the reply

[sharp shore]

Shes so cute aufhnsgwk

LMAO WAIT SHE REALLY DOES POWERPOINT PRESENTATIONS

The acolyte in the back like 🧍‍♂️

[wintry matrix]

walking screen projector fr

[midnight sonnet]

That’s why i think he could be like 100 or so

[wintry matrix]

then elders are atleast 200 unless they were kids too when alef gifted them the elemental lights and in that case yes please show me that in dawn part????

[sharp shore]

YEA

[sour sphinx]

I guess the Elders are half immortals?

[sharp shore]

Hold up sorry luca is this still in part 1??

[narrow marsh]

I agree with this. Though there is much community brainstorming over how the cataclysm could have went,
We should try be able to yet confidently assert any of it, from the radiation poisoning, to the ‘nuclear shockwave’, to be true. This leaves conflict during and just after the cataclysm begins to still be possible. 🕯️

[wintry matrix]

yes its from japanese twop embers webssite (contains low res spoilers) https://www.thatskygame.com/ja/thetwoembers/

[sharp shore]

YOOOO

[sour sphinx]

Got some good stuff on that website 😁

[midnight sonnet]

I like the idea of them being old as krill

[distant pebble]

waiting for the scene where she communicates with resh via PowerPoint

also moving mask nightmare confirmed?

[stark stump]

Honestly the eye of eden is kinda scary and a coincidence.... The eye of eden portal door looks like king resh if you think hard enough. And heres another thing. That star is everywhere... So my theory is that resh used to rule over the entirety of sky before the elders came, Thats not it. In the season of the two embers we got to see a glimpse of resh, same with a movie reference in the cinema. So that leaves the question... will we ever get to see resh before and after getting corrupted? You can also see more from the wall art in the eye of eden while opening the gates. I have a feeling that the elders are holding the pieces of the core shard in eden. The big red shard is what im talking about, in the story that either is the last glimpse of it or the corrupted version..

[round salmon]

To give some context on your last sentences, the red shard we see in TTE film is the red shard we see in the last area of Eden. It's also the shard we can see in the Season of Shattering's last memory. Highly recommend checking that season's area if you haven't by doing red shard events.

[wintry matrix]

that doesnt make sense because krill (according to murals) were made when resh was already king

anyway, youtube just gave me the wildest autoplay mix ever - i was listening to ||The Goodbye|| from Two Embers playlist, then it switched to Spider Dance, then to La Vaguettelle (Furina SQ song), then to Waka Waka by Shakira and then to ||The Loss|| from Two Embers again, like is this some Resh mental stability simulator or..?

[round salmon]

LOL youtube autoplay feature is so bad

[distant pebble]

Yes

[wintry matrix]

now i cant get image of resh unironically listening to shakira out of my head

[stark stump]

Also i feel like eye of eden would have very low temperatures considering the heavy wind causing rocks and shards to fall, heavy fog, very pure water(very pure water may kill you so im resembling the dark water as that)

[wintry matrix]

eye of eden... portal door?

[round salmon]

Dark water in GW is the same as the Eden water but yeah

[stark stump]

Like -800 degrees in celsius or so also no when you first enter eden it starts from a good 20 degrees celsius then drops to a very low -200 degrees in the second stage, then at the last stage its probably -800 or even -1000

No im not talking abt the eden door

[wintry matrix]

what are you talking about

[stark stump]

So that also means dark water is very pure water

[distant pebble]

that makes no sense since its clearly resembling Gasoline and water pollution

[midnight sonnet]

Krill is a word I use instead of swear words, cause you can’t swear here so I use krill and crab as replacements

[cobalt ibex]

hello!! i'm a little rusty when it comes to sky, so i wanted to know if there's anywhere that sky lore (so far/canon/semi canon??) has been compiled? thanks!

[distant pebble]

basically old as hell

[midnight sonnet]

Yes basically that’s what I meant good to know I can say hell

[distant pebble]

hell is a funky word especially at the end of sentences

[midnight sonnet]

Yeah sometimes I just wanna swear but since you can’t here I just get creative

[stark stump]

Honestly that kinda makes sense too, im saying is if you drink pure water(from what i searched up six liters in 3 hours) it can cause to kill you but now that i think about it its more a mix of gasoline, polluted water and maybe even poison.

[distant pebble]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[round salmon]

• Wiki lore page
  https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/Lore
• Wiki theories page
  https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Amity206/Sky_Lore_Theories
• Sky lore resources from TheLuca
  #lore-discussion-spoilers message
• Sky Moth Lore Doc
  #lore-discussion-spoilers message

Also the pinned messages has a collection of resources involving concept art, livestreams from the devs, and other information.

[cobalt ibex]

thank you!!<3

[wintry matrix]

SKY LORE RESOURCES FROM LORECHAT

speculative sky timeline by TheLuca - #lore-discussion-spoilers message

world of Sky direction guide by Theluca - #lore-discussion-spoilers message

very tiny nutshell timeline summary by Void of Shattering - #lore-discussion-spoilers message

eden king brainrot by Nekovo - #lore-discussion-spoilers message

Alef/Resh collage by kamilico - #lore-discussion-spoilers message

infolist by Le Tomte - #lore-discussion-spoilers message

different humanoid species in Sky by Le Tomte - #lore-discussion-spoilers message

Two Embers videos masterpost - #lore-discussion-spoilers message

Two Embers locations: trailer VS game - #lore-discussion-spoilers message

Tom Zhao concept art website - https://www.tomzhao.com/sky1

[round salmon]

I'm surprised you don't link the post, instead of copy and paste the entire thing. :v

[distant pebble]

Lucaloreresourcepocalypse or smth

[midnight sonnet]

Soon my divine bird theory will be up here

[wintry matrix]

right click - copy text - right click - paste

its the same as copying the link

[round salmon]

Eh doesn't give a text wall throughout the chat every time

[cobalt ibex]

thank u all! for the links and the hard work

[nimble ingot]

You do know that you can ask for your post to be pinned.

Posting this 10 times is a bit repetitive

[wintry matrix]

it looks better imo plus not everyone knows they are suppsoed to click the link

[midnight sonnet]

I just need to make a proper post about it

[wintry matrix]

as if i didnt do that multiple times.... if it bothers you much, you can suggest that to the mods too

[midnight sonnet]

Info dumps just won’t work all the time

[nimble ingot]

They can click on 1 link to the first post.

which has several links, anyways

[stark stump]

"DUI HOW ABT U DIE ILL GO A HUNDRED MILESSSSSSS IN AN HOUR" ahh pfp

[nimble ingot]

Which messages would it be that you believe I have reposted repeatedly?

[distant pebble]

yes

[round salmon]

It is haha, glad you noticed

[distant pebble]

they saying that if their reposts bother you and you'd prefer them as a pin
you can ask to pin one of them too

[wintry matrix]

if yall have so much of a problem with the text wall and telling me to get it pinned - i did ask multiple times already in #contact-the-mods , they dont care, you can try to suggest it too maybe they will start to

plus its not really a text wall, you should see the text walls being send here prior to two embers people flood and those were all theories

[midnight sonnet]

One day my theory will be big

[nimble ingot]

No problem, bud.
Just a suggestion.

No worries though.
I asked the mods to ping ( I meant Pin, my bad) the message so you wont have to repost it since the start of this month.

It is getting mildly annoying seeing this message after the 10th or so times.

[valid dagger]

Yup, compared to that kind of wall text, i would say yours are so neat and still comfortable to read

[distant pebble]

likawall

[nimble ingot]

oh, those are theories of people who want to explore the lore.

There are folks who like doing that.
There are also folks who like jokes.
There are folks who like pictures more.

This is a public channel on a server. Not an archive or a reddit thread.

Besides.
They can pin it. Or dont.
Hearing another person asking may help your odds.

[midnight sonnet]

Yes my divine bird theory will be but it will also be cozy to read

[distant pebble]

cozy gods that are birb is so cute

[wintry matrix]

thank you! guess not everyone can always be satisfied, though block/ignore button exists for this reason

[tidal loom]

its only supposed to be helpful! it might bother you but it might be useful to others :)

[midnight sonnet]

Like a storybook I just need to get some photos and well the accurate of the birds worshipped

[tidal loom]

guys the manatee baby has a tiny finnnn ;-;

[distant pebble]

it has a toe

[wintry matrix]

cozy like floof bird
its name got nuked by bot so have picture instead

[tidal loom]

babyyyy

[midnight sonnet]

That is the god of sky btw

[round salmon]

Just my two cents, theories do not need to be "canon" or right in order to be showcased. They are speculation on gathered information. Anyone can have a theory or idea that they can talk about.
Personally I really like yours Queen but as something in the eyes of the beholder, it varies and depends on how far said theory is heard.

[distant pebble]

megan species classified

[midnight sonnet]

I know my theory is partially accurate and it doesn’t need to be completely accurate cause I’m personally having a lot of fun with my bird theory and my fashion history timeline

[wintry matrix]

imagine we get megan in game and its just 🤏

[round salmon]

By the way, how's the fashion timeline going?

[distant pebble]

a pocket god 😋

[wintry matrix]

new hair accesory idea

[midnight sonnet]

Cause Megabird is a divine being and is a bird so

Also it’s going well I’m rn looking into the later transitional period/valley and trying to find common trends in the fashion of the regular spirits (as a basis then as a fun little experiment I’m gonna look through the seasonal spirits and place them in a time period just based on visuals alone)

I got this so far

[wintry matrix]

oop im in crab memory for like 20 minutes now, i should finally photograúhj it before i leave it again by accident lol

[round salmon]

Ohhh can't wait to see the valley part! Sounds fun to explore through all that and dissect the various trends.

[midnight sonnet]

If the theory of the realms depicting different periods in the sky kingdom is correct then the regular spirits will depict the general fashion of the time and doing this has made it hard to accept capes being a thing in early Dawn because they wouldn’t have enough resources for them

I mean the first regular spirit we see with a cape is in prairie were they would’ve had more resources for it

[round salmon]

Right! Dawn is a realm designed around the past or early life so speaking, it wouldn't be a place where spirits had capes.

[distant pebble]

Alef had one

[round salmon]

That's a different matter entirely but yes

[wintry matrix]

one braincell? yes

[distant pebble]

Give me my brain cells

[midnight sonnet]

Or could’ve made them they lacked a lot of resources and we can see that with their ornamentation, and clothes

They had less ornamentations and had shorter hemlines and their clothes weren’t that well fitting due to lacking techniques, which they would have by the time of Forest/Early Transitional period as we see more well fitted clothes during that time

A majority of spirits we see are from the transitional period

There are very little from the early dawn

[round salmon]

I c i c

[distant pebble]

i c i c?

[midnight sonnet]

Like the only ones I can say confidently come from that time are the regular dawn spirits

[round salmon]

I see I see

[midnight sonnet]

The prophecy spirts more likely come from the in between period between late dawn and early transitional which would make sense lore wise since they likely came when Alef was transitioning to Resh

Because their clothes are too complex to be early dawn and late dawn but too simple for early transitional

Or Forest

[nimble ingot]

That is, if the theory of "the chosen one" applies

[wintry matrix]

@midnight sonnet not sure if this will help you in any way but i made earlier some observations regarding to spirit clothing colors vs dyes you can find in their realm if you wanna look #lore-discussion-spoilers message #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[midnight sonnet]

No dyes are a pretty good help since the more dyes the more resources one has

[round salmon]

Makes sense yeah! I got a question if you don't mind me asking, what period was the top bits from? Two regular spirts from Dawn have it but it's mostly seen throughout the beginning realms. Top bits I'm referring ot it's like the shawl? headscarf? over their clothing, idk what to call it.

[wintry matrix]

no mask in crab memory either

[sharp shore]

Hello chat what did i miss

[wintry matrix]

pocket sized megabird

[round salmon]

Some discussion on clothing and dark water pollution ig

[midnight sonnet]

The shawl seems to be a thing of timeless fashion since we see it in every single period but it began in the early dawn in fabric but later in the late transitional period particularly /valley it began being made of metals which would later become a staple in wastelands military uniform

[nimble ingot]

The clothing that covers the head and shoulders can be a type of cape or cloak.
Certainly a smaller variant so a capelet, or a mantelet.

These were seen in various forms in history. Though a style like the one in the image may be traced to 18th century fashion (that is if one would be referring to English history)

Mesopotamian clothing have been notorious for using robes and cloaks that wrap around the wearer. Tailored clothing like this may either be an stylisation choice, or possibly a hybrid of certain styles of clothing.

[round salmon]

Capelet! Ah, I see.

[sharp shore]

Makes me wonder why they always wear it

Probably to retain warmth or protect from the elements tbh

[round salmon]

Definitely yeah, Ayngarp!

[midnight sonnet]

Yeah exactly but it later was layered with actual capes

[sharp shore]

Lamed and tge scholars wearing it signifies something else though

[round salmon]

That part has been killing me to find out so very thankful you guys answered that haha.

[midnight sonnet]

Yes and the way I see it it was also likely a spiritual thing that was a reference to their internal light

[midnight sonnet]

Because it was likely spiritual as well, practical and like wearing a cross at the same time

[round salmon]

OUGH GOOD EYE also comparison

[midnight sonnet]

And there is a trend of veiling that seems to be a piece of timeless fashion

[sharp shore]

Id like to think about modesty but im not sure if thats projecting other irl cultural stuff into something entirely different

[midnight sonnet]

But the early Dawn fashions certainly became something of a spiritual garb like a nuns habit in the dusk period

[round salmon]

No no, I think they def had that, Ayngarp. Sky takes inspiration from asian countries and theological ties so safe to assume they did.

[wintry matrix]

finally all memories documented! unless tgc adds more with two embers

[midnight sonnet]

And the later dusk period, due to being war torn and in dismay of resource, definitely went back to Early Dawn fashion trends due to its simplicity and lack of fabrics needed to become fully clothed with some just adding the transitional periods techniques to it to make something stylish

[sharp shore]

Dawn is the period where things werent crappy right

[nimble ingot]

Interestingly enough, children's clothing have notably taken a simpler approach compared to their adult counterparts.

Notably on the Two Embers that focuses on a specific time period.
Other seasons where the clothing are more detailed or possibly modern by comparison certainly hints at a much later time.

Come to think of it. The clothing of ancestors could really help narrow down the time periods they belong in.

Although there is a possible catch and that is when you compare the earlier seasons to the most recent ones.
TGC has certainly came a long way with their designs for ancestors. And the designs of more recent ancestors would differ in quality or style from their earlier releases.

So, it may not be a perfect method to gauge what time period a spirit belongs in.
Especially when you consider the gratitude spirits' first season design differ from their 'modernised' designs in the more recent season of Radiance.

[midnight sonnet]

It was the beginning so it was a good period yes

We have isles and prairie representing the dawn period

[midnight sonnet]

Yeah that is a problem with but there is certainly a way to narrow it down with my beloved friend “story context” like the visuals help but the context will narrow it down

[midnight sonnet]

There’s also the possibility of them wanting to mirror the good ol’ days which is a common recession indicator which late dusk was definitely going through

[sharp shore]

Absolutely

[nimble ingot]

Side note observation for season of Passage.
I noticed how the trials are in Dawn, Day (twice), and Forest.
There were no trials that took place in later realms.

When coupled with the idea that the realms represent a the stages of life. Forest is considered to be the last age for childhood ending (aka adolescence) and Valley marks the beginning for the age of adulthood.

The passage initiates were all children or teenagers.
I just found that to be an interesting detail.

[sharp shore]

Not sure if applicable but we could consider the real GDP based on the goods during the dawn and dusk eras

[midnight sonnet]

Their clothes certainly fit that time period between the early transitional and late transitional

[round salmon]

Yeah it's stated in concept material Valley is adulthood which I find really neat that Passage takes that notion.

[midnight sonnet]

Yeah definitely, fashion is a wonderful way to see how a society is feeling

[round salmon]

I wonder how early dawn people made their clothing, I mean best guess is like most humans in early history by using pelts and whatnot but like we are not given any indicator of animals like this.

[sharp shore]

Oh shoot i remember that season it was adorable

It also taught us a lot about what kids did during those times, probably on what school was like

[nimble ingot]

Looking at Passage guide's very fluffy cape.

[midnight sonnet]

They likely used textiles from plant fibre which is pretty difficult to manipulate to more complex patterns which we see in in the simplicity of dawn

[round salmon]

That's insane considering Dawn's general simplicity

[sharp shore]

Why not animals

actually yume, it probably was fine considering that there was less industrialization and therefore more costs can go to making higher quality textile clothes

[midnight sonnet]

In the Stone Age we also used plant fibres

[round salmon]

Dully noted

[sharp shore]

Ever since Teth introduced darkstone to Aleph/Resh is when quality of life went steadily up then crashing down

[midnight sonnet]

It’s also why hemlines were shorter and less people wore capes

[sharp shore]

Yeah

They were probably durable enough to be reusable during economic recession too

[midnight sonnet]

Which means the butterfly whisperer was likely rich as hell from their cape alone

[midnight sonnet]

And why we see them in dusk as well

[sharp shore]

I wouldnt be surprised if Resh essentially pitted people against each other for any sort of light motes, money, resources etc (a class war) which blind-sighted them to the actual threat, which is him himself

Happens alllllllllll the time irl

[midnight sonnet]

Which we see in the transitional period with forest and valley figuring out a lot of new techniques since they had more resources to explore with

[sharp shore]

Everyday im surprised by how messed up this game is (lorewise)

[nimble ingot]

Welcome to the dark side of Sky lore lol

[midnight sonnet]

From something so many people tend to overlook. Fashion

[sharp shore]

Me playing in super late 2019-2020: lmao this games too cutesy

Me joining this server a year later and reading the lore:

I would not last a day as a citizen there istg

[midnight sonnet]

Because we got class inequality, recession indicators and technological advances and crashes all seen in the fashion

And we can see the foundations of it with the biggest fashion statement in sky

The Capes, Capes came with Alef and the ancestors began to wear them, the rich ones at least, then technology advanced and the regular person could wear them, everything flourished and then things crashed and we see less capes worn by regular folk until the only one wearing one is Resh

[sharp shore]

Yeah i think i wondered several years ago why only a few spirits gave capes and some didnt

I always thought capes looked more like a social status to me

[midnight sonnet]

They were a status symbol because then you were rich enough to mirror the king

Then everyone could wear one so they lost their appeal (and their greater meaning = a loss of spiritual connection) things flourished but people forgetting their purpose caused people to forget to take care of what mattered which caused a crash and then the safety of a cape became to expensive for the common man

It was a status symbol and a spiritual symbol likely

[sharp shore]

I almost forgot to reply to this

Id want to know what they were being modest for since that could mean a lot of different things

There were plenty of illicit things people definitely did in the kingdom so it could probably be that, or was it a standard of beauty?

Come to think of it, how were beauty standards in the kingdom

[midnight sonnet]

Because The Butterfly Whisperer was rich but they weren’t bad they were likely blinded and hardly understood what they were doing

[sharp shore]

Dude could keep butterflies (significant sources of light) after the elder knew what Resh was doing, of course theyre loaded as hell

Especially in a time where light was going scarce

[midnight sonnet]

Light was pretty plentiful in late dawn but it certainly was starting to get rarer

People were still using bells at that time and power diamonds weren’t common so they certainly had a certain amount of money

[sharp shore]

Thats true but im pretty sure he mightve been alive during dusk

Actually nah probably not, i doubt dawn period would be that short

[plain fern]

the prince is here to save us

[sharp shore]

In theory

Look where that got us now 💀

[round salmon]

I'm assuming the masks were like their version of beauty standards. Designing it to fit their culture and whatnot.

Also when I meant modesty I was more thinking clothing wise since some asian cultures tend to cover up a lot and its required in certain religions.

[lament turret]

it could also serve as an identifier the same way we identify our faces

[sharp shore]

Yeah masks definitely where a beauty standard i dont think people actually cared what your face really looked like

[round salmon]

Yep especially considering they never took it off even while sleeping it seems

Just paint over a certain part of their mask or wear a different one and they are good to go

[lament turret]

its also possible the mask had some other sort of property like assisting in sight or again the identifying thing. cuz in game when u put on the blank mask u just dont have a face, no eyes or nothin

[sharp shore]

I think it also aided in adjusting to the environment too since the altitude is insane

[sharp shore]

I think the only times they probably took them off was probably bathing/washing their face in the morning or something

And it partially comes off when eating probably

[round salmon]

The Proud Victor "mask" is just the Sky Kids unmasked, they do have a face they just don't open their eyes while wearing it. More of a gameplay thing

[lament turret]

one of the tropes in fiction i like is having a group or race with no visible mouths yet they still have food and sometimes can be seen eating or consuming it. the food just kinda disappears or gets absorbed into their face lol

[round salmon]

They could totally benefit from a silly straw

[sharp shore]

Id like to think they have working eyes, nose and a mouth underneath the masks, the game just spent more resources on the scenery and other things (understandably) and it would be too annoying to have everyone a working nose/eyes/mouth etc

[lament turret]

also adds to the nonbinary feel of the characters

[sharp shore]

Yeah

Id argue that instead of explicit gender roles (since none of that mattered, at least Resh was based for that), they did have probably other occupations based on other social customs

Or income

[lament turret]

like whatever this is. the implication of food intake is there but either you never see it happen or it happens in such a strange and handwoven way

like yeah they eat food just ignore the fact that there is no face hole for that

[round salmon]

Mhm, same situation

[lament turret]

it seemed moreso loosely based on age and just individual skill if anything

[sharp shore]

Amogsu 😨😨😨

But yeah youre right about the skill and age thing

I just loved how in the chapters we see they portrayed the light motes we collect in game almost like Dune spice

Genuinely very beautiful

[midnight sonnet]

Tbf their beauty standards seemed to love bigger bodies

[round salmon]

HUH LOLLL

[sharp shore]

Theres a whole range of body types i think thats just how people were 😭

[midnight sonnet]

Yeah they probably weren’t change your body type cruel

[round salmon]

Wdym change your body type cruel?

[sharp shore]

Obviously their standards of beauty were far more lax than in cultures in real life

That didnt mean they werent discriminatory whatsoever

Also @round salmon i think they meant they didnt bother with body shaming in their culture

[round salmon]

OH GOOD

[versed mirage]

Imagine if candle farming was that easy to just go check a beach for that much.

[sharp shore]

Dusk ember collected so many motes for just… one stumpy candle

Its extremely scarce

[versed mirage]

King needs to min max more

[round salmon]

That was harder imma be fr

[midnight sonnet]

Candles are easier

[round salmon]

Thank god that Sky kids bodies generate those suckers like no tomorrow

Would hate to use that box

[versed mirage]

I kinda would like to see if the devs could somehow do some candle rework again with the candle mold

[midnight sonnet]

Would love to make candles tho for decoration purposes

[round salmon]

Same...

[sharp shore]

Man just go to ikea for that 💔

One thing im really curious about was how relationships and intercultural communication was like between people

What did they consider different races of people, intermarriage, discrimination, etc

Its never a perfect society

[versed mirage]

I can’t tell like 90% of the spirits apart

[sharp shore]

Probably one of those countries that hardly has many foreigners

But then again some seasonal spirits look like theyre part of a different race

Lightseekers and enchantment are the first that come to my mind

[round salmon]

Enchantment was like refugees from the other realms. Unsure abt lightsekers since I don't know them that well.

[midnight sonnet]

But u wanna have it homemade

[round salmon]

Ikea (nesting workshop) candles do not look good imma be fr

[sharp shore]

Lightseekers definitely had a mask/beauty standard that was unconventional

I forgot why they were there they were the second season and its been years since i played it (i started playing on the last day of it 😭 ) but i think they were foreigners seeking light as well

[midnight sonnet]

I really don’t know anything about the old seasons past like tlp I’m a shattering moth

Well not really I came in before shattering

[sharp shore]

Lot of them were just showing what randos did during the good times™️ (dawn era)

Like wow very nice youre a travelling band 😍 your civilization will die out in high time 🥰

Then there were some random collabs i kinda ignore lorewise apart from aurora since its just tgc partnerships

[midnight sonnet]

Bluebird was the beginning of my divine bird theory so to me it’s important lore wise

[sharp shore]

Yeah that too

Though tbh the megabird divine theory came years before bluebird collab

[midnight sonnet]

Well my theory surrounds a more defined theology then just

Megabird is god

[sharp shore]

Indeed it is

[midnight sonnet]

Because the bluebird is a separate entity but is certainly divine

[spiral vault]

OH THAT'S WHAT I THINK IT IS

[spiral vault]

I actually think Enchantment spirits could be from Wasteland, or at least something like that, because we see similar clothing in Two Embers e2

[wintry matrix]

||what i find weird is that even the belts are disappearing, does that mean they are made out of light too? or maybe is this projection like the kid here? could the kid projection be petting the manatee projection? because the shade of yellow and the size looks about right||

[plush timber]

yea, atp they just yell or smth

[sharp shore]

Lamed walking in on his daily affirmations like 🧍‍♀️

[wintry matrix]

"Are you winning, my majesty?"

[sharp shore]

LMAO

[pastel brook]

is that edible?

[sharp shore]

if they called Resh his majesty i wonder what they called the elders

[pastel brook]

owo?

[wintry matrix]

i only know that twins likely refer to resh between each other Mr. Handle With Care or something like that

cuz you never know if this girlboss is in bad mood because he had not enough milk in his cinni minnis this morning

[sharp shore]

HELP

I think they get called “your grace” or sm like that

[wintry matrix]

no thoughts behind this snout

[sharp shore]

Potato sack

[bright lion]

Do we have any explanation for the sweeping lights at the point of no return?

[wintry matrix]

what do you mean?

[pastel brook]

Sounds like it!

YEAH!

[bright lion]

The lights we see going around the point of no return, usually being followed by a a wave of more crystals

[wintry matrix]

oh those are lights radiating from the red shattering stones flying, the same effect happens during shard falls, they are there to tell you strong wave ofrocks is coming in couple of seconds

[bright lion]

Ok, I just finished Eden and the thought just randomly popped in my head

[plush timber]

no they're not /j

[versed mirage]

I wonder if Eden is this constant thing the King had to keep feeding and he put himself into a situation where he can’t keep up anymore.

[rancid ore]

@wise trellis Hey there, just a heads-up that I've deleted your message. We don't allow mentions of substance use as this is a family friendly server. Thanks for understanding!

[midnight sonnet]

A rich man apparently

[spiral vault]

I don't think capes were that much a symbol of wealth, at least in the early days. It's just that the Last City is so overwhelmingly poor and destitute that nobody can afford any clothes (see Stewie not having shoes)

[wintry matrix]

no kids in TTE wear shoes, botrh in game and in movie

we dont have shoes when we are born either

[spiral vault]

Skykids don't have to worry about silly things like plantar fascitis I guess

[wintry matrix]

i dont understand the part in ()

in two embers, both movie and seasonal map, all kids are barefoot

same goes for dawn part too, forest kids, kids on boat and alef are barefoot

i guess its more like "kids grow too fast to waste material to make shoes for them, they outgrow them faster than oversized shirt" or they just want the kids to connect with nature/light more by walking barefoot idk its way too late here

[sharp shore]

Guh i hate plantar fasciitis

[upper mortar]

Fat Manta

[wintry matrix]

thats manatee

[upper mortar]

Whispers to your ear Fat Manta

[midnight root]

Am I having deja vu or did the 2nd episode feature (a lot of) scenes from the first episode?

[round salmon]

Wdym?

[midnight root]

As in this week's episode features plenty of last week's scenes. Like trying to sell the crab toy to another kid or grabbing a candle a lighting it from a pipe butterfly scene and many others I just can't quite put my finger on but they're soooo familiar

[pallid jetty]

protag wakes up from same tent, walks past same dudes, but in a different time

[round salmon]

You're getting deja vu, the scenes are set at different times.

Heck I wouldn't even say the scenes are that similar besides being paced a bit similar wise. Movies do this a lot to show that there has been a time skip.

[midnight root]

Hmmm
I know it's a different time (after the first episode, of course), but they really do look really similar.
Not to mention I didn't quite understand the meaning of the hidden tunnel, that shrine chamber, why do butterflies fly in pipes and what's that thing at the end (it's Eden, obviously, but... how, why, who 😭)

[round salmon]

The "butterflies" are particles of light that are being sucked through tunnels to Eden. They aeren't butterflies, but light. The giant crystal at the end of episode one is the shard seen in the Season of Shattering, it's also the same shard at the end of Eden when you die. However I do not know what the protagonsit and the manatee are looking at in the end of chapter 2, it is Eden however the full picture is unknown because it is set on a cliffhanger.

[frank cedar]

Anyone know why the usual cape charging pattern is the scaly/moonlike shape?

[round salmon]

Because it references stars, Sky Kids are often depicted as shooting stars ergo the cape pattern is a star.

[midnight root]

Ohh that makes sense.
Last message for now because I don't want to spam the channel...

Do we have any understanding of how things worked as in how did it all get here (500 ya ago i.e. when the movies take place)? Not after like the end of the movie or even "nowadays" sky, but before the Last City - some sort of basic understanding of the whats and hows: 1. do they (the spirit civilization) use light as an energy source? 2. What's with this darkness illness? 3. Are the other realms different ages (Wasteland is the Last City, sooo is Isle the First City or something?) cause the chamber at the end of the tunnel looks ancient (also has murals)

[frank cedar]

Sorry if I wasn’t clear, I meant the band of charge that travels down the entire cape when you’re charging. Not the one along the back, the full band

[round salmon]

Oh that Idk how that would be lore wise

[frank cedar]

That’s alright, ty

[round salmon]

Woah that's a lot of question! Okay so, uh, to your first one, they do use light as a energy source. To your second question, we do not fully know much about the darkness illness besides that it's a illness affecting the ancestors and is most likely associated with this part in Sky introduction dialogue:

The stars were once united and our light was infinite.
The first of us descended to build a Kingdom in the clouds.
But we took our light for granted... and in shadow, we withered away.
A long time has passed. Now, you bring us hope.
Go forth child. Return your light to our fallen stars.

The middle passage relates to Two Embers as the light in Sky was used as a power source too much and been taken for granted until ultimately, the citizens were weakened and taken over by darkness. The illness implies that when too much light is taken across the lands, a sort of plague can take over. To your third question, the realms all used to live in unity but eventually crumbled for one reason or another, we do not know. It's semi-implied that darkness toke over the realms as seen in the first text of chapter 1 in Two Embers. The realms are not different time periods. The chamber is ancient, it's stated in various concept material that the ancestors used to worship the light and would make candles amongst other things however when Resh became ruler they stopped those ways of life.

[midnight root]

Sorry for the plethora of questions...

It's impressive how much you know about Sky lore!
I'll just stop here. Thank you so so much for answering!

[round salmon]

You can keep asking questions I don't mind really. Just asking a bunch at once can be a bit hard.

[sharp shore]

On top of everything you said (immaculate as always) treatment for the plague is elusive at best since light is withheld by Resh

You go to the doctor (probably a vault scholar) and tell them “doc my left arm is covered in darkness and it hurts to move it” and theyd tell you “just use your right arm 😊”

I really wanna talk about medicine at this time

[round salmon]

HAHAHA pls do

[midnight sonnet]

But they were difficult to acquire in the early days full stop they didn’t have enough resources for it, a cape requires a crab ton of fabric which in a world that lacked ways to make fabric in an easy way would make a cape a status symbol

[sharp shore]

“Your arm hurts when you touch the darkness? Dont touch it then 😇”

[midnight sonnet]

You don’t understand how expensive it is to make actual capes irl, I’m pretty sure sky is no different so due to its heavy price you’d have to be pretty gosh darn rich to get one in the dawn days

[round salmon]

They would totally say that and I don't blame some of the scholars doing that, they probably had a lot of people go to Vault asking for treatment

I really wonder why the shards appear on ancestors, I get it with Sky Kids (going to Eden you obtain crystals close to death) but like anatomically speaking that must be painful and is crazy/fascinating that they appear like that.

[midnight sonnet]

Trust me I tried to sew my own cape once I couldn’t because it got to expensive

[sharp shore]

Using my super duper biological science major powers (im going to sound extremely stupid) id like to think that the plague ravaging these people is a deficiency disorder

The sort of thing that happens due to environmental factors

I sincerely doubt diet would fix the issue at hand

It reminds me a little of pellagra (DO NOT LOOK IT UP)

[round salmon]

Oh yeah you mentioned deficiency earlier, WHICH IS LIKE INSANE TO ME

The ancestors were like praying on basically cells? like light is a energy source but its in everything everywehre its like an aura, you can't live without it

Taken from wikipedia lol but its basically aura

[sharp shore]

Yeah i mean a lot of environmental factors can contribute to disease

Another similarity i can draw is probably vitamin D deficiency caused by a lack of sunlight

In this case its a different environment so different reactions. These people are humanoid and probably share the vast majority of the physiology we do, but the way in which the body reacts to the environment is different

[round salmon]

I FEEL LIKE I JUST HAD A EUREKA MOMENT

like for the longest while I was wondering why light was set the way it was it's because it's like basic magic in fantasy or aura in paranormal stuff, it's not just energy it's PURE unadultered energy

[midnight sonnet]

Another thing I wanna mention is the reason why we don’t see that many capes back in the past is likely because people would use capes to make clothes because capes use so much fabric. They were likely repurposed into clothes because many people in the transitional period were capes because it was much more accessible to get because you can genuinely see the shift and how capes were treated like if you look at what the ancestors are wearing More ancestors start to wear capes in forest Valley during the transitional period that’s when people start wearing more capes because they were more accessible with the new technology that came from forest so because of the brokenness and the fact that those technologies faltered, they went back to the good old daysrecession

[round salmon]

Righttt thank you for thisssss

https://tenor.com/view/its-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-charlie-conspiracy-pepe-pepe-sylvia-gif-22483518 ME RN

[midnight sonnet]

I just love how we’re using real life environmental factors and factoring it in to sky because it just clicks like us we clicking my little fashion theories and they’re not really theoretical, It’s genuinely just how fashion works and it’s just how fashion worked in the past as well, especially in the past, and I mean sky is definitely not based in any modern culture. I mean their culture still exist but the ways of making said culture. They definitely didn’t have synthetics at least until for us they didn’t have any synthetics until at least forest so it would’ve been real difficult to get a cape in the dawn period

[round salmon]

Nodding in agreement despite not knowing anything in fashion you are so right!

I swear one of you guys messages keeps getting eaten 😭

[midnight sonnet]

They put me in a room, a plush room, a plush white room with rats, and those rats were giving me fashion advice

[round salmon]

Rats from cinderella moment

[midnight sonnet]

Yeah, I don’t know what that’s about like I’m just trying. I’m not saying swear words anymore. I switched to saying crab and krill instead I don’t understand why I keep being flagged.

[round salmon]

Filter is a bit wonky even words you wouldn't guess are there tbf, just watch what you say and check with the mods ig

[midnight sonnet]

I’m using voice to text because my hands are weird so sometimes maybe I’m slipping up. I don’t know that’s also why my grammar isn’t the best and hasn’t been the best lately because my brain‘s been very overwhelmed with typing lately so I’ve just been doing voice to text where I can becauseyeah usually I just do a voice message but you can’t do that here so

[round salmon]

That's fair!

[sharp shore]

Tomorrow i have to cover for someone at work so I’ll be exposed to a lot of medication

If the root cause of a disorder is known but its primary treatment is blocked, i wonder if the richest of the sick were able to afford supplemental medication that reduces the appearance of darkness and mitigate symptoms

The first thing i think of is probably, if there is a harmful growth (it looks like noncancerous dark fibroids almost) then there may be treatment to restrict bloodflow towards them to shrink them in size

[umbral iris]

sorry to interrupt but i just herd of thr game journey on pc🤨 os that related to sky lore at all

[midnight sonnet]

Like my hands easily ache so it’s just cards I’ve been dealt but it won’t stop me from bringing my advice to all of the kingdoms taking into account their fashion trend, of course which is important to the lore so it is allowed to be in the channel because it’s important to the lore fashion is always an indicator of how a society is feeling sosuck it

[round salmon]

Journey was Sky's predecessor but they are not tied.

[umbral iris]

kk, i saw somw comments saying people thought it took place when they hunted creatures, got confused

[midnight sonnet]

This man had to have been rich, but if people cared that’s something else entirely

[round salmon]

I wonder that too, I need to know what extents they did for treatment.

Like the fish scene literally shows that light will lessen the treatment but from the context clues I highly doubt the ancestors did the same for its people. Only Stewie knew that it helped creatures because of the candle with the manatee close by.

Thank you so much for your insight! Eating your words

[round salmon]

I like to think he was rich for Prairie "standards" but for other realms like Valley or Vault not so much.

[midnight sonnet]

Yeah definitely not that rich but they could’ve been the grandpa of one of those wealthy valley people because of inflation and stuff they were rich for their time

[round salmon]

Yeah possibly xD

[sharp shore]

More on this

Embolization is a procedure that carefully does this and can potentially relieve symptoms if nothing else works

[midnight sonnet]

Cause they were certainly wealthy for the time we don’t even know if he could’ve been alive for a valley. He was the richest his time when he was in his peak of age. He was pretty wealthy, but he could’ve been dead by the time Valley happened or forest and then his family could’ve still stayed pretty wealthy butyeah makes sense and who would’ve been wealthy for the early dawn. I’m thinking the rejecting Voyager probably was one of the wealthier we see from that time since they have that funky little headpiece they have funky little headpiece.

[umbral iris]

maybe once one gets the sickness there is no helping🤨

[round salmon]

Oh that adds so much to your messages a few days i think, y'know how you said the kingdom did like not so good stuff. Maybe they'd do like embolization to the citizens stating it would "cure" them but it wasn't true

[sharp shore]

The closest thing i can think of off the top of my head in humans is uterine fibroid embolization

In people with fibroids its a treatment that blocks the blood flow to uterine fibroids through a catheter and particle pieces

What those particles could be, we dont know, possibly adhesive or plant-based pieces that block blood flow

[midnight sonnet]

We love medical dishonesty

[round salmon]

A la covid propaganda moment

[sharp shore]

House MD has competition

[midnight sonnet]

I feel so out of my debt for this biology talk I like biology. I’m just not good at it, but I’m having so much fun reading about this just like I hope you guys are having fun with my fashion Rambles and to theological rambles.

[round salmon]

SAME THO QUEEN I liked biology in the basic sense in school but I did not go further beyond that so I'm glad Ayngarp is induliging me and is willing to give information lol

[midnight sonnet]

Yeah, it’s real fun and I hope you two have fun with my fashion rambles cause I did get a higher education in fashion and fashion history in general so like I’m a big fan of fashion in general. It’s so fun and I’m having fun like just going into the sky universe and just seeing what trends were common And you know connecting it to a time. Which is going to help us immensely being able to place like ancestors into a time is it gonna be 100% accurate no but I think we will get pretty close.

[round salmon]

I very much enjoy your enthusasim and fashion knowledge, it's so breathtaking!! It makes me want to learn more!

[sharp shore]

I believe the richest (and thats not saying much) could afford maybe a few sessions of embolization, probably by medical students in VOK or by medical facilities in the last city we havent seen

The Death Bath oob (im gonna call it that cus its cool) is probably the last line of treatment in people with this plague

[ashen fractal]

someone say Biology pokes head in from the Evolutionary bio lab at my university

[round salmon]

HI KEPHI

[round salmon]

Low encomny evil tortue bath that my king says is totally safe

[midnight sonnet]

Well I gotta get my beauty sleep it’s currently 4am lol

[round salmon]

Bro 4 am go to bedge sleep well

[midnight sonnet]

And you just had to cut up grandma‘s favorite cape because you desperately need new clothes because yours are all torn

[lament turret]

However it is not unfair to make comparisons and to theorize about Sky based on what we know about Journey considering theyre both about ancient civilizations that collapsed in on themselves from their own creations. While Sky's lore is its own story, some of the basic structuring is still the same and thus some elements can be infered from there.

When Sky was first released it wasn't very clear what actually lead to the collapse of civilization. We knew the darkness and the storm had something to do with it, but that was it. It almost appeared as if everything were taken down by an outside force of evil.

But in Journey, its made very clear that civilization fell from the inside. Turns out, the same thing started to apply to Sky as time went on. It became more and more apparent that the ancestors in Sky weren't wiped out by some dark force on the horizon, they did it to themselves. That is a big running theme in both games so it makes some of the lore parallel.

[round salmon]

They have similarities yes but someone was asking if they are related and that was just my response

[lament turret]

I just wanted to rant about the two games paralleling really

[round salmon]

Fair enough they are neat games

[lament turret]

Gently holds Sky kid and Journey boi in each hand

[midnight sonnet]

We love That for you yes to Sleepy Cuse my Brain Silly Brain Ter Brain, I can’t thing I don’t think så så yes

[round salmon]

Bedge 👉

[midnight sonnet]

Diva down love you lore chat

[round salmon]

Goodnight/slight morning Diva

[sharp shore]

||this is going to be extremely embarrassing and I really hate introducing myself as this but i am a premed undergrad student and also a pharmacy technician and so i have an interest in diseases ||

with that out of the way…

Here is what I personally believe is the treatment protocol for anyone with the plague of darkness

Pt (patient) presents with lesions of growth internally or externally (i assume it goes from inside to out), doctor orders biopsy to determine if they are areas of deficiency due to environnemental factors because it very well could be something else (keloidal scarring, etc)

Once pt is believed to have the deficiency plague prognosis is grim (fatal) and symptoms may result in jagged lesions over time that damage organ systems and eventually lead to death (ok my hands are getting tired ill recover them in snowmode and continue)

[lament turret]

light deficiency 😔 (me too honestly)

what lack of vitamin d does to a boi

[sharp shore]

After discussing treatment options (oh who am i kidding, what discussion??) pt has essentially two options

Die fast or die slow

Embolization was a possibility in medical facilities where, if pt can afford it, can receive treatment to shrink lesions a little bit to alleviate pressure to organ systems

If theyre feeling fancy they could also opt for chemotherapy (though thats more or less pain relief) intravenously, probably from the herbs that enchantment folks probably were foraging for (amongst others)

Once pt has those options they receive treatment that slows the pain, but theyre still actively dying. After their rounds of chemo and/or embolization and their condition progressively gets unbearable, because of the conditions at the time, they most likely did not have a full on hospice care. They still have the luxury of a dignified, comfortable death in the Death Bath

Now for the vast majority of people, chemo and embolization in VOK facilities was out of reach and they probably suffered long enough until it was their turn in the Death Bath. Toymaker suffered this way probably

So that’s what i think treatment was

Sorry for the wall guys

[lament turret]

does this civilization even have chemotherapy?

[round salmon]

Don't apologize, we were discussing it anyhow.

[sharp shore]

They have a lot of different tech and a sound alarm system (abyss monster), id think they can administer medication through liquid and into veins

So yeah they very well would have

Administering medicine into the blood is a very ancient method, IV itself is kinda recent? But a lot of medicine could be delivered into the bloodstream

[lament turret]

also apparently I mustve missed a scene or two because what the heck is the death bath

[sharp shore]

Its an OOB you can visit in the seasonal area

There are spirits hanging around there and its just a pool where if you go in it slowly drains you

I assumed it was integral to the lore but i mean, if the death bath is something else entirely then what i say could prolly work

Death is just less dignified for these people

[round salmon]

Minor question but I wonder what the full extent of symptons could be? The main one we see in the film and season area is coughing which to my own knowledge does not narrow down much. They could also have sore throat or shortness of breath with this in mind. Also since you compared it to vitamin D deficiency, they most likely had fatigue, bone/joint pain, muscle cramps, and mood swings (depression too).

[sharp shore]

Definitely the symptoms overlap a lot

Pressure on organ systems could cause coughing, neurological disorders (poor coordination, mood swings), nausea/vomiting, joint pain, easy bruising, headaches

I could go on but its just basically hell

[round salmon]

Right.... That sucks so much, i can not even stand getting a simple sore throat how'd they do it.

[sharp shore]

How the hell the toymaker still managed to set up shop while actively dying is insane

Probably doing anything to take care of dusk ember even if it costs their life

[round salmon]

YEAH GOD BLESS THEIR SOUL

[sharp shore]

Im 100% sure it isnt a contagious virus too

[round salmon]

It definitely isn't contagious which is like a godsend (things could've been worse if they went that route if imma be real)

[sharp shore]

Welp thats my medical rant it was probably a whole lotta nothing but idk if theyll show it in 2 embers

[round salmon]

Thank you again it was very thought provoking and provided a lot of insight to how I view the illness and the general field of medication in Sky's world.

[sharp shore]

Yk whats worse

No health insurance

[round salmon]

HAHAH yes sadly that is not something obtainable

[sharp shore]

This kingdom sucks

This game is the worst show of late stage capitalism (but good example)

[round salmon]

Yep, definitely could be better but sadly it's about to get worse and y'know dead...

[sharp shore]

Big boom boom make elders go wheeeeee

Speaking of medicine ill go read some mcat prep see you later lorechat

[plush timber]

omg that was so informative??

[spiral vault]

I think the ancient sky society had some egalitarian aspects, at least outside of the Last CIty. We see people of various different social classes wearing capes, including the Butterfly Charmer who appears to be just a hermit.

Edit: Reading some of your later messages, you're probably right

[sharp shore]

What was

[plush timber]

abt the whole medical analysis of the characters sickness

[round salmon]

:) very

[sharp shore]

Ill be back with more tomorrow after grinding uworld mcat questions /j

Genuinely though since theyre humanoid but also very different at the same time its interesting to see

[wintry matrix]

Full petrification, we see them being like that at the end of reliving their memories.

[plush timber]

yea that makes sense thats why lighting them makes them return as spirits ig

[stark oracle]

Someone most likely noticed already, but the king statue is different depending on where u are (first one was when I was in the boat area, second is when I entered the next area)

Not really a theory, just an odd observation

[narrow marsh]

Great catch! From what I understand, that other statue you’re seeing is atop an older iteration of the Wasteland Temple, back when they were still designing the game before it even launched! We’re still not sure why they kept it there to this day instead of using an updated low poly temple as the background piece.

If you or anyone you know is good at OOB exploration, I recommend getting past the wind walls and going to check it out, it’s pretty cool to see the different kind of Resh statue! 🕯️

[wintry matrix]

Thing is the first building is whole different building when you go OOB there

Theres also one more building on the right of it that is3D, the third building is just PNG and so is the refinery in broken temple

[narrow marsh]

Actually, it’s completely relevant to the logic we’re seeing lining up at the moment!

From early on in Two Ember’s release, I’d personally already believed it to not be contagious out of personal bias, since I’d already shared with the class many times my research of Indifference/Disconnection from the Light being conceptually harmful to Beings of Light.

However, the evidence stacked plainly enough for us all to avert our immediate assumptions that this was a contagious infection. I’m currently working on a whole list of evidence, but the direct point is that if it was contagious, Stewie/Dusk would have been infected by Toymaker long ago.

I think theres a good chance Vault Elder has no idea what exactly they should be doing to handle the situation.
It seems the immediate response is quarantine and concentrate the refugees into tight policed districts, while the Elder examines the sick. The impulse assumption that the quarantine and segregation was to prevent them from infecting the rich, but as you all discussed today, there are multiple classist layers to the possible nuance of that.

||~||
About the Connection Spectrum
#lore-discussion-spoilers message
||~||
My research about TGC’s metaphysical concept graphs and narrative text blocks about a “Connection vs Indifference” to the Light points to constant proximity to Light being healthy and perhaps necessary for all living beings. I debate constantly with my good friend who is a thermodynamics physicist about whether Light substance has philosphical implications, or if it’s even ‘alive’ in any meaninful sense, and we are coming to better mutual conclusions daily that it all works either way. Therefore I don’t personally see this being a plague or virus in the infectious way, but a rather a natural reaction that Beings of Light have to not receiving enough intake of Light.

This matches up so strongly with your Deficiency notion, that I’m very excited to see where we as a community take this, even before TGC lays out more regarding the plague in the coming chapters. 🕯️

The functional relevance from this prediction is super interesting and fun. It is not functionally about mental health, but physical lack of Connection and lack of repatriation of Light to these bodies.
~

And lastly, this summary regarding the term made by TGC: Calcification; will surely be necessary to further affirm the strength of the Deficiency Theory.

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

It’s really all coming together folks. ❤️ 🕯️

[stark oracle]

@narrow marsh @wintry matrix thank you for the explanations and the explanation of the OOB! I don't have any friends who are good at em and neither am I so ill take yalls word for it 😂

[wintry matrix]

Be careful tom or you will be called out for posting text walls /lh /j

[narrow marsh]

Oh? Has that been happening??

[wintry matrix]

Yesterday

[plush timber]

they have ?

[potent dawn]

Genuine curious, is there a reason why every WL have specific spot on each realm. Does WL same as the spirit that we lit/revive? I just feel like they've some lore or backstory behind it. That will be kinda cool

[midnight sonnet]

Diva back up

[wintry matrix]

popular theory is that they are scattered memories/pieces of the king

[plush timber]

oh?? never heard of that theory

[wintry matrix]

they were called memories before it was removed from game too

[potent dawn]

Oh interesting

[wintry matrix]

they also always look up at eden no matter where they are

[potent dawn]

Yea true! Sometimes I just thought it was kid who still stuck & lost in each realm

[plush timber]

too bad they've changed their names otherwise they'd be a good indicator of what they are

[ancient canopy]

it kind of implies the king had been in basically every inch of the realm :o

[wintry matrix]

manspreading aura farming his ego everywhere

he climbed the tree before they locked him in treehouse basement

he thought no one could reach him up there

[ancient canopy]

what about the one at the Peaks summit xD

[wintry matrix]

hes camera shy and was running away from moments guide

[ancient canopy]

the sheer will to escape socialisation 😭

[potent dawn]

King totally W for all the effort I guess

[valid dagger]

It's somehow confirmed that wl is a scattered pieces of king's soul/light. Like, why is there no wl in two embers seasonal area? Because the king is still alive and not yet make the sacrifice at that time

[wintry matrix]

There is no L in king but there is one in ruler

[fast siren]

This wl thing is so interesting. Are those like memory imprints of where the king has been to or just a randomly scattered light of his? I really want this to be explained in TTE, but i doubt they will go that far..
Makes me think if we will ever see the shattering and sky kids being made in TTE too

[potent dawn]

My random thought at 1st sayin those kids on tht spot. Prob tired after hiking without cape

[plush timber]

im praying we do bc thatd be

[upper mortar]

Every inch implies that he's been in my nesting room too and that concerns me

[ancient canopy]

as long as there's no wl there there's no concern

[pallid jetty]

king really likes that particular corridor in eden

[upper mortar]

He was aura farming in that particular corridor

[lucid bridge]

Oh, that’s interesting. I hadn’t seen this before, and I hadn’t heard of the theory that it was his scattered memories before, but I had all on my own come to that conclusion myself. That is cool!

[wintry matrix]

bet that corridor has great acoustic and he has been practicing his speech there

i have another theory about winged lights that i presented here a while ago - that the winged lights are part of his humanity and theres this many in the corridor because thats the last pieces of humanity he lost before entering and locking himself in eden

[fast siren]

In light awaits the spirit carry memories we have now were actually these masks that we carried instead, reminds me of passage quests now ( sort of )

[fast siren]

Omg this is interesting 0.0

[ancient canopy]

Ohh that's interesting!! I didn't know that

Also that's a very interesting mask shape too

[novel fractal]

Oo I like this theory, shedding or pieces of his humanity falling off like how our winglights fall off when we get attacked

[ashen fractal]

With the new animation I'm more and more wondering if the winged lights were people caught in the middle and used for their light instead. Honestly like that a little more as or feels like you're being them back to themselves in Eden.

It's just the raw light leftover from those that were in the direct blast.

[wintry matrix]

that wl is in your nest walls

[potent dawn]

Then its going to be the origin of wl

[midnight sonnet]

I wish I had a printer or a way to create these cool little graphs but for the fashion history timeline

It would be just perfect

[gritty mulch]

Does anyone have the complete sky lore overview

[wintry matrix]

Hi! Sky lore is meant to be very open to interpretation, however we have couple of resources written by loreheads from this channel if you would like to see those

[gritty mulch]

Yes please!

[wintry matrix]

SKY LORE RESOURCES FROM LORECHAT

speculative sky timeline by TheLuca - #lore-discussion-spoilers message

world of Sky direction guide by Theluca - #lore-discussion-spoilers message

very tiny nutshell timeline summary by Void of Shattering - #lore-discussion-spoilers message

eden king brainrot by Nekovo - #lore-discussion-spoilers message

Alef/Resh collage by kamilico - #lore-discussion-spoilers message

infolist by Le Tomte - #lore-discussion-spoilers message

different humanoid species in Sky by Le Tomte - #lore-discussion-spoilers message

Two Embers videos masterpost - #lore-discussion-spoilers message

Two Embers locations: trailer VS game - #lore-discussion-spoilers message

Tom Zhao concept art website - https://www.tomzhao.com/sky1

Feel free to use search tab too for any extra information! There was lot of stuff discussed here in deep

[midnight sonnet]

And If you’re interested in theology and fashion you can always ask me

[sharp shore]

I was gonna me tion something similar eventually but i agree luca

[sharp shore]

I have nothing more to add at the moment i just agree with you

[midnight sonnet]

I’m good with that knowledge

[gritty mulch]

I read the interpretation you wrote more than twice. Thank you for writing such a compact lore of the game!

[mellow hazel]

highkey wanna drink the light soup they poured out to forge the candle

[gritty mulch]

0.0
Share the tea please

[soft timber]

Wild how some of the WL implies that the King was a bit mischievous because how in the world did he manage to get locked up multiple times (looking at treehouse basement and remembrance jail)

[sharp shore]

I headcannon when he was little (as Alef) he was very mischievous lol

[soft timber]

Makes sense, he was very much mischievous to the point where I wouldn't be surprised if he somehow pranks the elders too

[midnight sonnet]

Well what do you want to know

[sour sphinx]

Since I'm learning a bit more about the King, I'd like to learn more about Alef (or possibly) the Dawn Ember

[narrow marsh]

Ah ah ah, remember the rule we said before from the trailers. If I were an artist, I’d draw him at every single WL location, never looking at the camera. Hell I’d even just buy it as a commission from someone

[midnight sonnet]

I can tell you they were the first to wear capes

[round salmon]

Oh thanks for bringing up these links that you made, Le Tomte! Very glad to see there was a coined term used for that process of things hardening and gaining shards.

[sharp shore]

Hold up if its calcification then it may be similar to kidney stones than fibroids

Ill have to check later though and after reading mcat stuff

[midnight sonnet]

Well it’s what info I can give you

[round salmon]

That feels wild if they are comparable, like deviancy that leads to stones forming inside and around them. Then again, from what I know about kidney stones they happen when you don't have enough water and there's like a overflow of chemicals.

Thinking about it and considering how Sky Kids capes aren't "real" they are projections of light to look like capes if we go by the logic of how they are depicted ingame; I do like the idea that Alef had one and ancestors saw it as something ethereal and fashionable to the point it got added to the fashion history of Sky whilst also being used for as a status symbol.

[midnight sonnet]

Yeah likely so people would often try and copy their idols/royalty

[lament turret]

this is often true in real life and why the british sound the way they do

[spark island]

Does this mean that the little sky kid in the two embers is the hopeful steward?

[ashen fractal]

It's interesting how each ancestor with a cape usually has one start lit on it

[midnight sonnet]

Exactly

[lament turret]

hopeless stew 😔

[valid dagger]

Kinda, since most of us assumed so. Based on their looks and personality, they're resembles each other perfectly. Then again, it's still our opinion about it

[lament turret]

this feels more like a game mechanic to demonstrate what the cape's stars will look like rather than a lore aspect. It might still have lore though.

[midnight sonnet]

It’s likely spiritual again like the capelet

[lament turret]

I think its been stated before that the gameplay doesn't necessarily always adhere strictly to lore for gameplay sake since the story to Sky, although heavily intertwined, appears to be secondary in priority to the devs. Theres probably a LOT of gameplay mechanics that we've mistaken as more lore relevant than they actually are. In that case, theres also possibly a few plotholes in Sky gameplay. But everything is structured just vaguely enough that you wouldn't notice anyway unless you're really trying to pick it apart.

[midnight sonnet]

A symbol of the flight

[lament turret]

Theres also probably a bunch of gameplay functions that were purely gameplay at one point and then became lore relevant later

[midnight sonnet]

My fashion history timeline is more of a fun thing but it is helpful in realizing how everything developed in sky and how the downfall happened

Fashion is integral to a society and can indicate so very much

[lament turret]

Its interesting how a lot of spirits we see in game have capes but a lot of them also don't. I wonder then if maybe some of the spirits, the capeless, lived at a different time period and weren't actually killed by the calamity itself.

Then again this also might be one of the things where gameplay clashes with lore cause I was thinking the implication was most of the spirits were killed at once until the devs decided that everyone right up until the calamity didn't have capes, its the sky kids with that feature. The capes on the spirits just existed to demonstrate to the player what the specific cape looked like and what spirit had which cape.

[midnight sonnet]

And something I’ve already made known with my fashion history timeline is the fact that well Isles definitely didn’t have enough resources to make capes

[midnight sonnet]

It was likely a thing of being able to afford a cape or not

A cape will use a lot of fabric which would be very expensive and difficult to procure

[ashen fractal]

Since we know Ancestors can be drained of some light, I just figured it would make sense for them to hold a tiny amount

[lament turret]

Possibly. I mean you get a wedge as soon as you yourself get a cape along with a star.

[ancient canopy]

I personally see the single star as an indicator of soul (though we do see them in spirits, not sure about the npcs that wear the capes in the Last City in game :o I gotta look)

This implies that skykids are different type of inhabitants, they can contain more "lives", like lifelines

no wonder the ancestors were easily KO'd by the krills

[lament turret]

This could be the case. The elders are also said to be a different sort of inhabitant, like a different sort of creature entirely from regular citizens

[ancient canopy]

Yeye for example, Vault Elder somehow has the power to not only store memories and manifest them into projection using the lantern, but time travel, like the seasonal guide for this one is specified as the "Vault Elder's Lantern"

[lament turret]

Although in order to obtain a cape+star you don't just require a tiny bit of light, you need an entire "star's" worth. If my previous theory about what the stars are is correct (fallen spirits in the rebirth process that weren't far along enough that the calamity shook them out of position, making them non sentient with no memories, just pure energy) then that would mean its required specifically to take not just the energy of sparks of light, but an entire light creature or person in order to create a cape. There are some possibly VERY dark implications to that.

And now I would like to remind you that grandma has a cape.

[midnight sonnet]

Especially in the dawn period and dusk period as it was but for very different reasons

Dawn had a lack of resources due to their lack of exploration which meant their clothes likely used less fabric hence the shorter hemlines and lack of capes going for capelets instead especially in the early dawn period but by the time of Prairie/ Late Dawn resources would’ve been more largely available leading to the advent of capes since the first ancestor we see with a cape is the butterfly whisperer in the prairie

Dusk on the other hand was war torn and due to rationing many likely used their capes as blankets or, furnishings later likely repurposing capes for new clothes

[ancient canopy]

you mean grandma having more than one star?

[midnight sonnet]

A cape was likely made out of fabric primarily

[lament turret]

You don't wanna know what grandma was doin in her prime

[wintry matrix]

he looks shy when they come to grab him to school/trials but we also see him running away with mantas in the one storyboard scene from first series reveals

[lament turret]

Yet you get one entirely from the void as soon as you pick up a fallen star?

[ancient canopy]

Does it mean Resh aura farmed all the souls from the living things, and when Shattering happened, he broke up into pieces and each forming the "memories" aka WLs, scattered around the realm where their past lives had been

[wintry matrix]

just compilation of him blurred while running away from moments guide with camera in every wl location

[midnight sonnet]

We are an entirely different species from the ancestors they likely got their capes differently and they possessed light inside of them

[lament turret]

And what of the ancestors with multiple lights? Don't we have a few spirits with multiple wedges or am I crazy?

[wintry matrix]

he actually wears poncho stargazer gave him! so it was stargazer who did it first then

[wintry matrix]

entire kingdom died to kidney stones

[midnight sonnet]

I don’t think so, they have one wedge but that’s probably a game mechanic thing

And yes that’s makes sense she was a child who fell from the sky stargazer likely wanted to help comfort but a poncho as a trend could easily develop into the capes you see in the later dawn to the transitional period alone

I mean we went from the panier to petticoat to hoopskirt to the lobster tail bustle

They all did similar things but looked different

[wintry matrix]

"Your majesty, you shoudlnt drink this much of energy drinks!It will give you kidney stones!"
"Dont tell me what to d-" dies on spot

[wintry matrix]

we only saw granma having more than one star but only one of them is lit

[midnight sonnet]

And a poncho is closely related to the capelet which was more common back in the early dawn

And I prefer the idea that it was a blanket that was later repurposed into a poncho/cape

[wintry matrix]

he wears same shade of green on his king robe too, he either remade the whole poncho into it or tasked someone to make him fabric in same shade... either way he looks way too fixated on that thing, maybe he still misses stargazer (reminder that she was sick with stones and likely died when he was young)

[midnight sonnet]

Yeah wouldn’t confuse me I’m still wearing the same cape I wore 2-3 years ago

So wouldn’t confuse me if the poncho went from

Blanket used to comfort Alef, then a poncho to clothe him and later a cape during her ascent and finally being whatever it is now

[wintry matrix]

he throws tantrum every time Lamed puts it in the wash

[midnight sonnet]

Like maybe he tried to fashion it into the capelet that Stargazer wore

And then later it became fashion for the wealthy and later when the technology came it became fashionable for all

Then the economy crashed and rationing began

[spiral vault]

This is very likely a bug

I don't think WL existed prior to the Shattering

[ashen fractal]

No but light inside people still did?

[spiral vault]

I guess so, but I think the spirit forms don't have as strong a light, or perhaps no light at all

[ashen fractal]

I figured when they were alive the little light they had could explain the one star. it's not much, they don't fly, but it exists...

[spiral vault]

For example, Hopeful Steward is shown with an extinguished chest light, you can see it very faintly on their body

[ashen fractal]

yeah I am wondering if the Ruler and then Hopeful Steward were technically the first skykids

is anyone else shown as "extinguished" among the ancestors?

[sharp shore]

Ayoooooooo 😭

[sharp shore]

Sounds like me fr (i was a shy kid that got distracted easily)

which means ill become a tyrant when im even older

[wintry matrix]

i know, this:

[lament turret]

Darth Vader arc incoming

[wintry matrix]

you dont wanna make her angry

[sharp shore]

Does she believe in gravity?

[wintry matrix]

she can alter entire shards trajectory so i believe so

[sharp shore]

So thats what she did with hierophant green…

[lament turret]

I now headcanon that this was grandma and how she became a spirit

[spiral vault]

Almost as if they're two....embers...

[round salmon]

Lmao Eltorro64 nice

[lament turret]

"Are we some kind of... (insert team name here)?"
"...Say that again"
"Some kind of (insert team name here)"
*Second character slowly smirks with joy as camera zooms onto them and the music swells. The scene then cuts to the credits.

[round salmon]

That meme is so stupid i love it

[narrow marsh]

“What are we… Two of the Embers?”

[spiral vault]

It's not as funny with children of the light because that name's already used everywhere in-game

I'm starting to think we won't see Hopeful Steward enter Aviary in Two Embers, except in some sort of post-credits scene or in part 2 or in a new series.

My theory is they designed the Dusk Ember's story first, and then applied that character to Aviary Village

[narrow marsh]

“LOOK, WE’RE CHILDREN OF THE LIGHT THAT’S US”

[lament turret]

This is what the first sky kids said to each other

[sharp shore]

HELP ME 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[sharp shore]

I smell burnt toast what is thsi

[lament turret]

A stroke I think

[sharp shore]

Ough,,.,

Nevermind i processed what that message said

Yeah i was like this in the cinema too EMBED FAIL 💔:

I was like this

[sharp shore]

Lmao but i just said gravity cus luca sent a pic of dio and he said “do you believe in gravity”

[lament turret]

okay but eltorro64rus is iconic

[sharp shore]

Yes

[round salmon]

Fr fr

[lament turret]

sent friend request so i can remember to beg for trial uber later

gotta talk about sky lore before this gets off topic though...

[round salmon]

Ohh huh alright :0

[lament turret]

do you think the confetti that we use in some emotes is real or like little bits of light our child brains turned into confetti through sheer will and emotion?

actually is it possible that light can be bent and or molded based on perception? sort of like how the capes might be made? cause we don't make those with molds like s t e w made the candle mold, it just kinda manifests into existence

[round salmon]

I like the second notion a lot. They just reuse bits of their own light and scatter it across the ground to "mimic" that one spirit.

I'd like to assume items can be made similar to the capes we just haven't seen Sky Kids use anything beyond that.

[lament turret]

Also if we're going with the "its a fashion thing inspired by royals" then it might actually be light willed into a certain form inspired by something else. Same with other cosmetics or props. Maybe this is why we can obtain "stuff" from spirits? Its just light taking form. We're not actually getting the item itself, but rather the blueprint that we will energy into the form of.

[round salmon]

Taken from the Wiki page on Lore but yeah Sky Kids manifest the capes with their light.

[lament turret]

Do other items cast shadows?

[round salmon]

Oh forgot but also the part where when Sky Kids don't have any WLs they're "capeless".

All props and cosmetics cast shadows, the only thing that doesn't is all capes from what I know. I will say the "props" from emotes do not count either but those are light particles like you stated earlier.

[sharp shore]

Light in sky cotl works in a way that we cannot possibly comprehend using irl physics

I will say though its medically necessary ill have to read some physics (will probably help with mcat too……)

[round salmon]

Insane to me that all capes show the light levels of the people wearing them, this includes spirits since they only have one wedge. This puts a cool thing to perspective: did they do like a rites of passages similar trials or coming of age or like was it an embroidery thing when ancestors obtain a cape. Like how did these star patterns show up and how were they designed? Rhetorically speaking, they are just symbols to see how many WLs you have and I understand Sky Kids get them first hand like this however for ancestors would that logic work the same. They only get one. Ofc it can just be the fact it just "appears" on the cape after wearing but I'd like to think there is more to it. (sorry that was just a lot of nonsensical rambling)

Maybe they like use darkstones to power and embed into the capes ig.

[wintry matrix]

Sometimes my brain is confetti after reading contents of this channel

[sharp shore]

Probably if theyre really privileged into having some light for purposes other than survival

[round salmon]

That'd be neat, it'd make sense coming from Queen's fashion analysis.

[wintry matrix]

We imitate ancestors and everything we do is made out of light, I believe @narrow marsh has much more to say about this

[wintry matrix]

Funny thing about this - it was said in one interview that capes dont have shadows to make it easy for low end devices so they basically turned it into feature

[round salmon]

I know yeah

[sharp shore]

Everything we do is an imitation of the people since we are blank slate that learns through observation

Assuming we are Resh’s incarnations and we collect pieces of himself too everywhere (as WL) we essentially play the route where we choose a different option than what Resh wouldve done

We dont hoard light as candles, we give them back to the spirits after Resh withheld it to them when they were alive

We return WLs to Eden too

We send candles and hearts to friends

Its all in the game mechanics

[sharp shore]

Hold up Luca i need to see if theres concept art of this

[wintry matrix]

its actually in the trailer!

[sharp shore]

Of part 1??

Hang on can you send the link 😭

[wintry matrix]

here is alef being shy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxHFy9503N4
here is the storyboard scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KevTXLvpmVI

we also have TTE trailers masterpost here: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[sharp shore]

Thank god

[narrow marsh]

I only have two states. Giant essay, and incomprehensible slurry of sheer utter madness

[round salmon]

Very sweet perspective on it!
I really love that aspect of Sky in which we are imitations of its past, people, and Resh. Sky Kids are children and children will do what they do best: copy their peers. It's a learned trait from early life that children will mimic their parents or family members: automatic imitation, social mimicry, etc.

[lament turret]

so everything in this chat

[sharp shore]

I hope this somewhat shows up on part 2 vro 💔

I know theyre technically obsolete but theyre probably gonna put this stuff in part 2

[round salmon]

Part two is gonna be a gold mine fo sure

[wintry matrix]

resh adding another candle to his pile like

(yes he sings during that)

[round salmon]

Adding to this but like social mimicry is such a sweet thing to me. There's been studies that people do this as a form of love (of course, not a love language). People will pick up typing quirks because they love them, people will pick up excercises or routines because their friend would do them everday, etc etc. I like the idea of Sky Kids using the bow emote and collectively deciding it was a sweet gesture to greet others.

[narrow marsh]

I’ll need to recharge my battery in order to properly comment on this wonderful discussion here, but it is quite astounding to see everything the Lore community has worked on over the years in regards to our research on skykid anatomy, being recreated from scratch; from the ground up with no veteran hints. It’s beautiful!

To both you and Yume’s point about how and why skykids copy their Ancestors, I think a great discussions to begin constructing a foundation of this principle is with the emotes.

There have been a lot of theories about how skykids learn emotes. Some ideas position skykids as completely blank slates, almost like an emotionless manikin. But that’s just one theory, and it revelationally was upended by the presentation of the emotes.

Does anybody remember what the emotes are canonically titled? 🕯️

[lament turret]

Expressions..?

[spiral vault]

I like how tomte acts like a class teacher almost

[round salmon]

LOL

[sharp shore]

Monkey see monkey do

[narrow marsh]

Yep! The way the ideas evolved over time utilized our understanding of neurodivergency. What was proposed is that skykids don’t lack emotions, but that they didn’t know how to express them yet. The Spirits become our teachers, teaching us how to Express ourselves.

[round salmon]

AWWWW

[distant sinew]

very beginner lore enthusiast here! could someone give me a little overview of who resh is

[sharp shore]

Sky cotl (and the two embers) would be so funny as a dark comedy

Resh: I LOST MY LIGHT MOTES!!!

Lamed: Resh, there’s people that are dying

[lament turret]

king of old sky people. he build big tower with big diamond. he big rich. he make world go boom though

[round salmon]

That's a funny way of pointing it xD

[sharp shore]

I wonder how Tsadi influenced psyop during wartime since I feel like he would according to the artbook

[round salmon]

Resh is the king of the world of Sky eons before Sky Kids were introduced. There's several depictions of him seen throughout the game in murals and structures (the temple at the last area of GW has his symbol at the very top along with it being shown on the "turrents" in the surrounding area). He's also shown in the final quest/memory in the Season of Shattering albeit not like a full model or anything like the Elders. He is the reason for the red shard going crazy in Eden. He is the supposed antagonist for Two Embers film. Below is a link to a message I did a while ago talking about Alef/Resh in detail.

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[round salmon]

What are psyop's exactly? Like examples of them ig. I know there like a war tactic.

[spiral vault]

The Elder of Eden. They were a skykid like us who fell in the Ancestor Spirit's era. They gained immense power and built a massive diamond to power the entire Sky world, but it failed, causing massive destruction and their own demise.

There's also a short video about them, can I dm it to you?

[sharp shore]

Propaganda, deception, intimidating the “enemy” (in this case, probably rebels who advocated for freeing light)

[sharp shore]

Oh wait yeah valley elders probably influenced psyops too

[round salmon]

Right propaganda and whatnot. Bro is like intimidating enough as a Elder and his physique 😭
Also maybe just me being me but I can not see that guy doing deception, he's too sweet and protective

[midnight sonnet]

It’s in spirit of what fashion is it doesn’t have to a tangible thing exactly fashion is self expression which often follow observation creating trends and techniques

[sharp shore]

I feel like hed be a cautious guy who reluctantly does what resh did until (apparently in the artbook) he was tired of doing his majesty’s bidding

Valley elders definitely did not give a crap and took many many risks when it came to psyops

Valley and forest elders took massive risks when it came to drastically changing the kingdom i think

[midnight sonnet]

Yeah it’s why their fashions are so unique they did a lot to it

[round salmon]

Wait I retract my statement, I def could see Tsadi doing like some form of deception like understatement or concealment (using the wiki on deception bc why the heck not).

Valley Elders would just straight up lie and then say "no we didn't mean THATTTT exactly" or just fib for funsies

[sharp shore]

I feel like if his soldiers asked him when war was over and they could go home, he would probably just say nothing but “soon.”

[midnight sonnet]

I’m doing valley rn anyway does anyone have any photos cause sky doesn’t give me a good way to look at the ancestors from all angles

[round salmon]

HE WOULD AND I HATE THAT 😭 Bro would feel so guilty over it later too