lore-discussion-spoilers

[midnight sonnet]

Omg fashion

[serene pollen]

Sof since you're here and mentioned it
who's your fav character from DDD?

and for the sake of staying on-topic
who is your fav spirit/elder?

[plush cave]

I’ll answer you in gen!!

[pastel brook]

yes!

[sour sphinx]

It looks like they're using it to drain light and put it into that device they have

[serene pollen]

No
Go back to cooking crab

[serene pollen]

Maybe those feed into the whole grid, maybe that is how they keep the towers powered

[sour sphinx]

Kinda like a battery.

This brings me back to one scene in the trailer where one soldier is about to use that device in front of the Manatees

[sharp shore]

I KNEW IT THEYRE SUCKING UP LIGHT AND STARVING THE GENERAL POPULACE

[wintry matrix]

they are making lemonade for resh out of it

hes gonna be sucking it with straw and sunglasses on

[serene pollen]

Yeah or like a capacitor
I feel like those things could be like capacitors (which store energy in a safe way, smoothing flunctuations between voltages) helping with the whole system's stability

[sharp shore]

Bros chilling in his castle like that with his swim trunks like a cartoon villain

[wintry matrix]

he has swimming shorts with mantas on it i bet

[sharp shore]

Thats all he wears under his robes

[serene pollen]

Lol that would be a funny sight indeed

[wintry matrix]

he owns that manta floaty too
he invented it in fact

[sharp shore]

Dudes linkedin would have that scene shown in that snippet with the light sucking machines and caption it something like “LETS GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO OUR HARDWORKING TROOPS 🙌🙌🙌🎉🎉🎉”

[serene pollen]

he has many shorts tho
each w a different animal stamped on them

[wintry matrix]

nah just mantas cuz he loves them

[sharp shore]

(Im coping with ridiculous jokes)

[serene pollen]

I can see this ref but imma stay silent

Funny tho

[sharp shore]

Resh would have the most insufferable LinkedIn profile

[serene pollen]

Hashtag beautiful tech
hashtag best kingdom (only one...)

[wintry matrix]

nah his linkedin pfp is this

hes posing with every darkstone like men psoe with fish too (he wears his manta swimming shorts during that too)

[serene pollen]

Photoshoping the background to hide the starving citizens behind him
w the sea and mantas behind him

[wintry matrix]

hes greenscreening lisa frank stuff in there

yes im aware she is not okay person but the style really fits for this meme format

[sharp shore]

Lmaoooooo

[umbral iris]

dove into the wiki last night and omg im just stunned
im way too into sky now😭😭

[sharp shore]

Yeah thats what happens when the two embers revives people

[plush timber]

doofershmitz core

[sharp shore]

Hey, wheres dusk ember?

Doo bee doo bee doo ba doo bee doo bee

[plush timber]

greedy afs

crying because all bros tools are star shaped
~~ egocentric and greedy~~

[sharp shore]

Exactly bru

[umbral iris]

im so mad i missed all the other seasons😭 that started from the BEGINNINGG
i just had no idea this had lore.
i have another question tho. are skykids only reason to live is to relieve the older spirits? like will they ever settle down or will they constantly be searching for spirits? or is that up to the player

[sharp shore]

Same i skipped like 3 seasons (tbf they were not too substantial with lore) but ive been here since 2019/2020 FINALLY substantial lore 😭

But to answer your question I think some people (and me) believe that Resh’s punishment for his tyranny after the downfall and death of the kingdom is his descendants (split from his life) are skykids who have to do the opposite of what he was doing

He was hoarding and not allowing light to ascend and we skykids have to continually set then free for eternity as ancestral punishment

I think the spirit reliving is just storytelling for the skykids to know why they deserve this death loop

[plush timber]

before ascending to orbit skykids hugs someone who iirc is resh/alef

[sharp shore]

Yeah probably

Alef’s soul was hunched over like a child in trouble or crying as if he felt guilty too

[plush timber]

sideyeing that sacrifice concept art because I feel like it'll be important later /j

[cobalt palm]

Sacrifice!

[umbral iris]

ill curbstomb that little kid🗣🗣

[sharp shore]

Yeah we make the sacrifice as descendants of Resh imo

Thats why we have to suffer through his broken kingdom which definitely needs an HOA complaint

[round salmon]

As stated from the game's introduction:

Uncover our darkened Kingdom.
Restore it with your flame.

The stars were once united and our light was infinite.
The first of us descended to build a Kingdom in the clouds.
But we took our light for granted... and in shadow, we withered away.
A long time has passed. Now, you bring us hope.
Go forth child. Return your light to our fallen stars.

Sky Kids main "purpose" is to restore the kingdom which involves helping the spirits, elders, and going to Eden to ascend.

[sharp shore]

Yeh 👆

[round salmon]

The Two Embers uses a lot of the second quote which I'm happy abt

[umbral iris]

i knew it was the main purpose, i just didnt know if it would happen over and over again or eventually they'd start to beable to settle down and restore land in another way😭/nm

[round salmon]

Oh my bad! I get ya, well considering that new seasons and content gets added who knows how long this will go

[sharp shore]

Resh’s sins are infinite and his guilt immeasurable (So is his drip) so our suffering is eternal muahahahahaha

[lament turret]

I personally think the answer to this is both yes and no. Sky kids are meant to help bring balance to the destroyed natural process but they're also meant to go through the natural process themselves just like all other living things before them. Motherbird is often described more as a collection of energy and information rather than one singular conscious entity. With every light creature that reunites with Motherbird, the further it grows and the more "it" understands. So civilization could probably grow once again under this cycle, and it kind of is with every game update (lul).
The main point of the sky kids isn't to restore, but thats kind of a secondary thing that just comes with living the life they were sent down to the physical realm to live.

[umbral iris]

oh dw ur good, it still helped 🗣

[plush timber]

Their drip is immaculate and fitting for being like that™

[round salmon]

(also cute jevil pfp)

[lament turret]

This is also why our drip is often immaculate

[sharp shore]

Imagine you reign over a whole regime after falling from the sky only to fall in power and then descend into honking preschoolers

[serene pollen]

Yeah I agree with this
After all we are also light creatures so we just continue the Light Cycle while at the same time help all the light trapped in shadow (seen as a punishment or not).

[plush timber]

Honking is skykid's language

[lament turret]

I don't like to think this is some sort of intended punishment and Sky kids are meant to suffer for the crimes of a past life, that just doesn't fit with the idea of rebirth to me. But we are encouraged to pick up the debris and sweep the dust nonetheless, but it doesn't come across as punishment. Moreso like "hey if you help the world around you, you help yourself"

[lament turret]

Being all powerful and then suddenly you are now an entire daycare class

[umbral iris]

maybe the king gets to see how messed things up are now every time we go up there🤨
or a punishment is having the king see all the rebirth and having to let them go through instead of harvesting it... or im saying nonsense

[round salmon]

THAT CRUNCH EMOTE BASED

[serene pollen]

Exactly I agree with you.

but it is also fair to say it could be seen as punishment even tho it really isnt the true intention, but more like a natural process for the light to go back to the stars to reunite with megabird.

[sharp shore]

I personally think its punishment but I dont see any flaws in your idea either

[lament turret]

Oh yeah I keep calling it Motherbird because it sounds like motherboard and I think thats funny

[lament turret]

I seriously just don't think punishment is a theme here. This is moreso about atonement and restoration, not necessarily payback. Maybe it is a punishment in a way, but I don't read that as the intended idea. It doesn't come across as meaning to be vengeful.

[sharp shore]

Makes sense if its a game on care and kindness

I might just be hardcore /j

atonement i can definitely agree on, more like “hey kids you wanna be like Resh? No? Then do the opposite” and not overly hard punishment

[umbral iris]

plus its the spirits telling or asking them to clean up everything, in a way its giving the spirits some credit too..maybe

[serene pollen]

BUT I INSIST
Resh isnt evil yall
He was heavily influence by all, this was everyone's doing, it is unfair to blame just one soul, it would be the same in oyr world to just blame one person, one country, one culture...
We are all in this, as much as they were all in it.

This is why I do think using the connection spectrum is so useful to undertand this and see it all over

[round salmon]

WHY ARE U GUYS SLANDERING MY KING Caster thank you /hj

[lament turret]

Punishment isn't much of a theme in Sky overall. Its moreso a game about doing the right thing to move forward, but punishment is often something very stagnent in isolation. Again, this is heavy on the themes of restoration and stopping the darkness rather than just confining it or tearing into it or something vicious like that. Darkness is fought through connection, cooperation, and care. That is anything BUT punishment.

[sharp shore]

Resh is what happens when you have the adults around you (elders) inadvertently raise you into being powerful only to further succumb into madness from having so much power, resulting in hoarding that power and not knowing when to stop

Tbh if it were me i wouldnt know when to stop either, a situation like that would turn me insane too

[plush timber]

yea
They have the burn out gifted child vibes like a lot

[round salmon]

THat's what Ive been saying, he's a gifted kid who was given power beyond himself

[sharp shore]

YES

[plush timber]

i would have crashed out much earlier

[lament turret]

I have and will continue to compare Resh to someone like Anakin. It wasn't 100% his fault, but he had a massive hand in it and it was ultimately his own pride and impatience that brought upon his downfall. Sympathetic, maybe, but still definitely did awful things as a result of arrogance.

[round salmon]

However I will say he is still the antagonist and people are free to view him as a villianness guy if they want. Personally he fits the lawful evil archetype the most.

[umbral iris]

i dont blame him, id want flying ships too./hj but everyone elce that encouraged the experiments and huntings are also at fault too. he had alot of support

[sharp shore]

Exactly

[lament turret]

Your pfp 😭

[round salmon]

HAHA you're the fourth person to notice, I'm glad people pick up on it. My friend made it so good!

[serene pollen]

They all put their burdens on to him
Too much responsibility upon his shoulders

It is fair to say he had all excuses to be tyrannical and to be mad

[lament turret]

We should make an edit of King Resh to Monster by Skillet honestly

[sharp shore]

Id say Forest and Vault elders were probably some of the worst elders solely in the fact that they encouraged darkstone use and are the realms which use it a LOTTT

They arent evil but still thats uh… that fed Resh’s ego a lot i think

[round salmon]

If we get more footage of him I will personally do that

[umbral iris]

the only good thing is that i get to flex on him everytime i succeed the trials just for candles

[lament turret]

You gotta tag me in it

[serene pollen]

Yeah
an antagonist but not ill intended at heart

Just good intentions misdirected and corrupting

[umbral iris]

vault needed them to store info right? and was vault also a way to get closer to eden therefore required more and more crystals?

[plush timber]

itd made sense if daleth was like one of the first elders against the use of light

[serene pollen]

Fr me too
would love to see

[sharp shore]

I can feel empathetic for Resh but still hate the guy

The devs said Eden in the gameplay is supposed to reflect empathy so we feel the pain he inflicted on others and on himself

Hes a creature of light too after all, what he was doing hurt himself too. He just didnt care or notice

[umbral iris]

oh i definitely hate him for that neverending storm, the rage is unending as i scream at my kid to get up as they get pelted with crystals

[round salmon]

Every time someone mentions Daleth when it comes to Alef/Resh I cry.... that man was forgotten so hard despite his sweet mentor/parental figure nature

[plush timber]

end justifies the means or smth

[sharp shore]

Daleth and Resh is Hank and Bobby

Dang it, Resh!

[round salmon]

PFFT AYNGARP

[plush timber]

doomed found family my beloathed/hj

[serene pollen]

Def
this is what I have seen since the start

[umbral iris]

was prairie not appart of the beef at all? or did they also mine from the caves

[sharp shore]

Probably but more as support

I think a lot of people commuted from prairie to forest (kinda like between Newark to NYC) because forest was such a hub for darkstone and its mines

[serene pollen]

Exactly
Isolation is def where punishment is experienced the most. So if we wanna think about punishment, that could be him (Resh) staying stuck in Void and having to relive the whole thing, cause what else could he do?
But it isnt all punishment cause he can also see us and feel us (after all we are connected) and he greets all of us constantly too

EDIT:
Maybe he isnt as stuck after all if he reunites with us after that hug in Void before ascending to Orbit.

[plush timber]

wait what role valley would have then. Like

[sharp shore]

Valleys part of GW i think so prolly just troops i thingk

Btw guys i dont want to make it sound like my lore is doctrine im just throwing stuff out there

[umbral iris]

they caught the light creatures there and took light from them right?

[round salmon]

Only Forest ancestors were mining darkstone in the caves because Teth and Alef found them. Prairie people and the Elder would get butterflies from the realm and contain them (mainly for their light).

[serene pollen]

More like too clouded to notice

[sharp shore]

Yeh prolly (exactly what Yume said)

[round salmon]

Valley and GW would entertain/defend the people

[lament turret]

I think its moreso safe to say that it is likely that Resh as we saw him 500 years ago doesn't exist anymore. His presence and actions loom over the story, sure, but I think when the calamity happened he was killed off just as the others near Eden were. I think we don't really see any ancestor spirits in Eden because a lot of them were sent to the Light just as disaster struck, Resh included, that or they were just so utterly obliterated they basically don't exist.

[umbral iris]

ohh they were prolly more involved when things first started to happen with light, getting butterflies for a lightsorce when the crystals first got found or hoarding them when things got bad

[lament turret]

I heard somewhere that its implied darkstone was also possibly being artificially created by combining fallen trees with light somehow.

[sharp shore]

So many things were exploited for light

Creatures like butterflies, people, flame (from candles or otherwise), sunlight, you name it

[umbral iris]

yea for valley

[round salmon]

It's kind of picky to fully say what each realm prioritized because the Elder murals mainly depict what the Elders did with some people, each realm also had other jobs (for example, it can be assumed that Prairie does agruculture and makes crops).

[midnight sonnet]

Except birds maybe

[lament turret]

Yeah and they were farming the heck out of it, and as we see in Part 1, it was likely to power the massive stone within Eden. Though for what exact purpose we still aren't sure. Its possible it was being used to keep the darkness at bay, but I think it had a different purpose aside from that.

[plush timber]

i forgot abt that 😭 /lh

[serene pollen]

Yeah true
I just said his name for the sake of understanding

but the kid we see in void before ascending I think he's Aleph, before becoming Resh, so more like a pure soul

[umbral iris]

i just found out this stuff lastnight😭😭 i legit had no idea about any lore till now

[midnight sonnet]

There’s so much too sky

[lament turret]

You mean the kid we hug? Hang on a sec

[round salmon]

Thankfully it's not touhou levels of lore lol

[umbral iris]

another question. what are thoes things in the fire trial??? ive always wondered about them... like are they somewhat simular to the dragons or are they pure void creatures

[lament turret]

@serene pollen this and my message directly below it

[serene pollen]

I have wondered the same all along
they are strange creatures

[sharp shore]

Personally i think that hoarding light in the crystal wasnt to keep darkness at bay, in fact its what caused darkness to spread.

I think he hoarded light in the darkstone crystal to more or less power infrastructure, weaponry, and tech

Thats just me tho

[umbral iris]

that or a way to get light from eden for a endless supply?

[round salmon]

I assume they are just creatures of darkness, most people call them worms but the brunt of the matter is 🤷

[sharp shore]

Yeah i mean I doubt Resh would be a benevolent monarch to actually care about how bad darkness gets because at that point he was too far gone

Bro just wanted to become a powerful force of tech and capital

[serene pollen]

Oh yeah that makes sense too
but I still feel like it has some link to Aleph
cause sorta became the body of the whole realm, just like we hoard soul spirits in our hearts, he did the same for light in the kingdom

[umbral iris]

since he was corrupted maybe even physically, do u think he gained that hunger for light like other creatures

[serene pollen]

Remember he started to grow crystals on his body?
it is likely he was corrupted and not evil

yeah not benevolent anymore cause it wasnt him anymore, it was more darkness than light.

[serene pollen]

Yes yes exactly what I am saying
He became like dark creatures, hungry for more, impulsive, reactive, clouded

[sharp shore]

Definitely he was never like evil in his heart or something

He went too far and it hurt him too and the corruption came from inside to out

Sometimes people do crazy things when theyre in pain and dont know it

[serene pollen]

Exactly
Finally I see more acceptance

[lament turret]

bro is darth vader im just sayin

[round salmon]

he is def darth vader lol the poster reference puts him as darth vader

[sharp shore]

Nah fr

[lament turret]

wait fr? where is that one?

[round salmon]

In the cinema (this is a star wars film post reference)

[sharp shore]

Exactly

[lament turret]

Isnt that an adventure time reference

or am I big dumb

[umbral iris]

u think the guards only let people with no infection through to get reborn but they just got consumed by the king

[round salmon]

LOL no Adventure Time references star wars when they do that

[lament turret]

I had no idea

[sharp shore]

Nope

[plush timber]

they did? /genq

[round salmon]

It's kind of funny because they put the manatee as the girl (forgot her name but whatever)

[lament turret]

my god he really is darth vader

must mean the main char and the manatee are secretly siblings actually

[sharp shore]

LMAO LEIA 😭

[round salmon]

I knew it was Le but i could not for the life of me connect the word together 🙄

[lament turret]

R2D2 and 3PO were retconned here

[plush timber]

so that poster was a sw reference

[round salmon]

If you need a list or a comparison I can bring up a social media link that shows all of em

[sharp shore]

Theres jaws too lmaooooo and totoro

[lament turret]

Hang on so is Alef the main character we see in Part 1 or do we not know?

[plush timber]

dusk emeber is supposedly abt stewie

[sharp shore]

No hes not

Alef is probably (?) gonna be part 2 where is EVEN FURTHER in the past

[lament turret]

Hopeless Stew 😭

[round salmon]

Theorized but yes (has not been stated or shown yet)

[serene pollen]

Wait I didnt see this before!!!

[lament turret]

Okay so we must refer to them as Stewie (for now) for the sake of clarity.

What I was GONNA say was "No, Stewie, I AM your father!"

[sharp shore]

Guhhhghg gn next episode comes on at 1 am in the morning on monday i think or midnight

[serene pollen]

Ssoooo cooooool

@plush timber
and yes he got them

[umbral iris]

YES I WONT MISS IT🗣🗣
i work on mondays but not sunday😏

[plush timber]

i don't remember was the ep screening every two hours before ? why now 4

[sharp shore]

Yeah in concept art his mask ended up looking kinda bad when corrupted

[lament turret]

Every 4 hours? I don't think its that long

[plush timber]

i might have mistread the post but idrk

[lament turret]

Resh trying to resist the urge to blow everything to literal kingdom come (he fails)

[plush timber]

they blowed stuff up during the shattering /j

[lament turret]

They blew up stuff the entire darn time that civilization existed

[wintry matrix]

wiki doesnt really have any lore if yozu are looking for that

[lament turret]

if you want lore look at tumblr I'm serious

[wintry matrix]

if you want lore just ask us im serious

[lament turret]

Don't ask us you'll be swarmed and you will never again see the light of day, only the light of your screen

[wintry matrix]

im us

[sharp shore]

So im rewatching the first episode again and i saw something interesting

There was a mural where there was a stream of light and people with candles trying to light them

In my opinion it looked like people trying to do anything they can to find where circulated light would “leak” from Resh’s systems to relieve their sickness/loved ones sickness

Who made that mural we’ll never know, probably one of these people who set that trend and made it so that others can know what to do

[umbral iris]

i mean ill take anything:)

[wintry matrix]

anyway those tumblr blogs are run by people here (nekovo, tom and others), thats why this is better source

[umbral iris]

would you have a link? im willing to get anything i can lmao

[sharp shore]

The man the myth the legend Resh (its only 13 seconds tgc dont kill me)

[wintry matrix]

SKY LORE RESOURCES FROM LORECHAT

speculative sky timeline by TheLuca - #lore-discussion-spoilers message

world of Sky direction guide by Theluca - #lore-discussion-spoilers message

very tiny nutshell timeline summary by Void of Shattering - #lore-discussion-spoilers message

eden king brainrot by Nekovo - #lore-discussion-spoilers message

Alef/Resh collage by kamilico - #lore-discussion-spoilers message

infolist by Le Tomte - #lore-discussion-spoilers message

different humanoid species in Sky by Le Tomte - #lore-discussion-spoilers message

Two Embers videos masterpost - #lore-discussion-spoilers message

Two Embers locations: trailer VS game - #lore-discussion-spoilers message

Tom Zhao concept art website - https://www.tomzhao.com/sky1

[lament turret]

If you look into my messages I've sent here I've written a TON of super long lore dives. I'm too lazy to type them again though ngl.

[sharp shore]

Ah theres no episode audio just me honking lmao

[wintry matrix]

same goes for me, though im more just of a humble photographer

[sharp shore]

Im the clueless veteran yapper

[lament turret]

This entire discussion is just The Yappening™️

[round salmon]

https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Amity206/Sky_Lore_Theories is also a good place for lore, there's also a few gdocs from back in the day.

[umbral iris]

thats the one i read at first, ill take a peak at the others

wait that's the other thing i looked at too💀 guess im good

[lament turret]

Amity206's Blog is like the ultimate doc of fan understanding of the lore as of current.

[sharp shore]

This one is very readable i checked it out

[round salmon]

mhm

[wintry matrix]

anyway the promised ayin orbit photoshoot is moved from today to thursday, i forgot it is ts week

i dont have earth prophet wb yet

[sharp shore]

I need that spider mask so bad man

[wintry matrix]

i was looking at that cape, it looks beautiful on wiki but then i saw it in game and it looks awful lol, if it had that purple shade as on wiki i would grab it without second thinking

[trail drum]

Bro we need to see what his front side looks like

TGC STOP MESSING WITH US 😭

[sharp shore]

They did show a teaser of what it looked like and he looks normal

Well i mean before corruption lmao

[trail drum]

I mean King Resh's front side not his child self!

[sharp shore]

Like from two embers?

[wintry matrix]

wdym we have his front side the whole time here #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[sharp shore]

LMAO

[wintry matrix]

dont laugh at him he will cry :(

[trail drum]

STOP TEASING ME LIKE THIS

[sharp shore]

He deserves to cry

[trail drum]

YEET

[sharp shore]

Who are we yeeting

[lament turret]

"Everyone. All of it. Everything." - Resh probably

[sharp shore]

Little Reshipoo deserves to feel the burn of remorse from the fieriest pits of Hell

[lament turret]

Too bad he doesn't get to become a force ghost like all the other elders

[round salmon]

Seeing Resh like the Elders in-game is my one dream in life lol (which sadly will never happem)

[lament turret]

If concept art gives any clue, bro's ghost would be massive

[round salmon]

mhm

[sharp shore]

In game or in TTE? Because yeah in game its never gonna happen… in TTE im 90% sure it will

[round salmon]

In-game like seeing him in orbit

[lament turret]

Are you gazing upon the king respectfully

[sharp shore]

Yeah…

Then again he wouldnt even fit on screen

[round salmon]

GOOD LORD 🤦

[lament turret]

Yume saw Resh and rlly said (hang on 30 sec cooldown)

[sharp shore]

Ain no wayyyy 😭🤞

[round salmon]

STOP YOUR LINE OF THINKING

[lament turret]

https://tenor.com/view/debby-ryan-themummy-gif-18698210

[sharp shore]

WHAT 😭✌️

[lament turret]

YOU HAVE A FICTIONAL CRUSH ON BRO ADMIT IT

[round salmon]

I do not find him hot whatsoever. I just really like him as a character and like the motifs with him. He's like a chracter I'd put in a jar and keep as a keepsake if anything.

I'm not the type of person to get fictional crushes.

[sharp shore]

I dont have a crush on bro i want to achieve his build and style

[lament turret]

Very normal way to think of someone btw

[sharp shore]

And height but i can never achieve that height

[delicate anvil]

I'm very new with most lore names, and I've seen two names thrown around for seemingly the same(?) person. Can anyone enlighten me about the difference between Alef and Resh?

[round salmon]

One sec I'll send a thing I said earlier for that

[wintry matrix]

i mean im aroace but he do kinda yk

[sharp shore]

Me personally Alef was when Resh was young and freshly fell from the sky as a fallen celestial being and was prophesied to gain elemental power (trials) and rule as king

So he grew up to be scary old Resh

[round salmon]

Click the link and read

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

Funnily enough my aroace friend who got me into Sky says I like him (in a crush sort of way) so I'm not surprised Tiger said that. Then again I did like a bunch of Resh art on tumblr.

[sharp shore]

Teth and Lamed kinda…

Uh anyway so speaking of which do you think they turned against him like what Tsadi probably did (not the shield theory i mean)

I think Lamed was more concerned with darkstone but Teth not so much. She was probably die-hard darkstone supporter till the crystal burst

[round salmon]

Teth is very diehard do it my own way person so not surprised if she did. Lamed tries to be like the friendgroup "mom" in my head.

[wintry matrix]

teth and cannoneer kinda yeah i agree

[delicate anvil]

Ohhh ty both sm!

[sharp shore]

She still tries to use the darkstone 500 years later in her cutscene…

Like girl… stop…

[wintry matrix]

i shared my tierlist here #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[sharp shore]

Lamed also encouraged darkstone usage probably but was less of a risk taker for it probably

[round salmon]

Literally! (I don't blame her though she's on that grindset fr fr 💁 )

[sharp shore]

I know her LinkedIn profile would be INSUFFERABLE too

[round salmon]

Truly, it would smell of entitlement and so much buisness jargon

[sharp shore]

And rain

Dont forget that awful rain stench

[round salmon]

Never thought you could smell rain from Linkedin lol

[lament turret]

even 500 years ago karen was terrorizing civilization

[wintry matrix]

excuse me i love petrichor

it is such a nice smell

[lament turret]

dude why is it giving me every letter but G

[sharp shore]

Gross

It only smells good if its mild

[lament turret]

I give up

[sharp shore]

I keep thinking of how hilarious it would be if the kingdom looked more modern but with the exact same lore and animals and etc

Like cars and phones

And social media

[wintry matrix]

you must live in the middle of city or somewhere else where it tends to get dirty a lot

[round salmon]

I wondered that too for a good while after seeing that one history muesum art lol

[wintry matrix]

the original concept was like that actually

[sharp shore]

Nah i live in the desert of the US

[spiral vault]

I think if they weren't, it would be incredibly weird.

What's the point of fixating on this incredibly important and vital figure, and not having any sort of in-game connection? They're so similar as well, especially in clothing, that the in-game depiction of Dusk Ember would probably look extremely similar to Hopeful Steward

[wintry matrix]

that might be the cause then because it smells amazing in temperate biome

[spiral vault]

Also, I think we'll see a scene where Steward merges the candle into their body the same way skykids do at the beginning of the game

[sharp shore]

I live in the suburbs where things are very quiet

[wintry matrix]

dont forget that we find our own candle next to husk of stewie in aviary opening scene!

[spiral vault]

If so, it kind of disrupts the timeline because we don't see much signs of the darkstone sickness in the spirit memories. I wonder if the Wasteland seasons could take place way after then

[wintry matrix]

also both stewie and dusk ember hair is drew in awfully simmilar way, like it has to be the same person cmon

[spiral vault]

I think the swirls represent clouds, not darkness. Also the fact this is a ruined area makes me wonder about the timeline even more. When was this made?

[spiral vault]

I'm not sure about this interpretation, I like this one a lot more: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

Skykids aren't eternally suffering, I don't think so.

[round salmon]

Oh sweet a theological point of view on that aspect

[spiral vault]

One cursed thought is that this is actually Stewie's own candle

[sharp shore]

I was joking in that comment but yeah Maybe the eternal loop is more or less just a game mechanic

We do have to lift resh’s sins in a way like what that comment said but lorewise whether or not its eternal is kinda iffy

I am Hindu so the reincarnation part of it kinda flies with me but I should read the Bible more

[spiral vault]

I'm not sure how much of an eternal loop, I think in the new aviary storyline we only go to Eden once, to save the spirits. After that we're free to do what they want

[sharp shore]

Yeh

[spiral vault]

Sky's worldbuilding takes inspiration from Christian, Hindu, and Buddhist beliefs to forge something very unique

[round salmon]

It's funny to me how much "original sin" plays into it considering one part of the fanbase uses that term for Eden.

[sharp shore]

Correct me if im wrong but original sin is what sin adam and eve had and what newborns need to be baptized of right

[wintry matrix]

yes thats what im pointing at and i even included it in my timeline document, the last page is all about stewie running with the cadle to save everyone during shattering and then falling for it themselves

[spiral vault]

That's the action hero ending, which would be cool, but a more tragic ending is Hopeful Steward deliberately placing that candle there while slowly succumbing to their fate, being the last to fall

[round salmon]

I'm not familiar with baptism, but it's more of a broad way of initiating them into the Christian faith. Some places do it as a sacrament of grace that forgives original sin while others might not.

[nimble ingot]

It depends on the 'flavour' of Christianity you are working with (ex. catholic, gospel, protestant, etc.)

The "original sin" was Adam and Eve eating the fruit of knowledge of good and evil.

Baptism is a separate topic that came up later on. And its meaning, application and purpose may vary.

[wintry matrix]

wall of text incoming, can i get 5-10 minutes of silence to post it?

[nimble ingot]

👍 (I can't react, my bad)

[lament turret]

Its also worth pointing out how much Eden resembles the Tower of Babel. Specifically from this painting titled Belshazzar's Feast. This painting just SCREAMS Sky lore inspiration

The way the tower looms over the whole narrative ominously, only lit up every now and then by the flash of lightning, attracting storms because of just how high it sits in the clouds. Even the moon doesn't reach as high.

[round salmon]

The whole idealogy is very similar to the kingdom's endeavor throughout Sky's past with the ancestors and how they tried to advance as a civilization away form the light. Certain depictions take it as a "defiance" of god.

[nimble ingot]

I love that parallel.

Context to the old myth. People from the ancient civilisation sought to build a tower so tall, it could reach the heavens.
Because it is represented man's defiance and attempts to reach God. The people's languages were scrambled. No one could understand one another and the construction project fell into chaos.
The tower fell into ruin when people abandoned it.

When applied to Sky's Eden. It could either be the origin of the civilisation, or more likely the peak of the ancestor's civilisation.
Their climatic moment that they built up to before calamity struck.

"The beginning of the End"

[round salmon]

Same brain moment, love to see it Bird Raider

[sharp shore]

The fable of the tower of babel sounds partially like what Resh’s ambitions were (almost) to me

Like extreme ambition that was punished by God (megabird)

Ah bird raider already said it lol

[nimble ingot]

Icarus' foley theory

[lament turret]

I think overall both Eden and the Tower of Babel were representations of the overall hubris and pride of their creators. There are forces beyond our understanding and trying to wrangle them into doing our bidding oft ends up corrupting them and hurting those natural cycles. By trying to "tame" the land, we end up polluting it and sucking it dry of its light.

I also think this plays into why its called Eden in the first place; it was downhill from here. Literally.

[round salmon]

Love this discussion! Eden being called Eden is one of my top favorite trivia bits.

[sharp shore]

Come to think of it, Vault kind of has a tower of babel…

Lamed… what did you do

[lament turret]

If you're having trouble getting up stream, you don't have to reroute the whole darn river. All you have to do is walk along side it.

King Resh did not, in fact, do that.

[sharp shore]

LMAO

[wintry matrix]

vault is built inside of a mountain so its debatable also the air inside must be absolutely awful unless they have some REALLY powerful AC

[cobalt palm]

Resh didn't just want the river to flow into the sea,
Resh wanted to keep the light from leaving the realms

[lament turret]

Isn't the problem being that rivers are like... supposed to do that?

[cobalt palm]

Like the light is supposed to cycle

[lament turret]

By trying to control nature you fundementally destroy what makes it natural in the first place and that leads to your own downfall. Unlike in the fable of the tower, King Resh's downfall wasn't brought onto him by Megabird, it was likely brought onto him literally just by his own doing.

From what I'm getting he tried to halt or alter the natural light cycle somehow and then it just exploded. Like bending a turned on water hose shut.

[wintry matrix]

always wondered if the one in the middle is supposed to be resh or someone else

[cobalt palm]

Sticking a massive crystal like damn on the right (upward) side of that cycle also stops refreshed light coming down

[grave laurel]

gotta love hubris

[sharp shore]

Theres just one thing im very lost on

Before the shattering incident where exactly did the elders reside? In their own respective realms in their temples?

If thats true that means Lamed is very close in proximity to the king so i wonder if she had the strongest hand in talking him out of it

Btw i agree with how Resh was squashing the cycle and preventing light from being free

[cobalt palm]

I wonder if it was a "parliamentary" type thing, the Elders had their own realms, but resided in council with the Ruler

Also this is considered "The Last City", I imagine there aren't several Elders walking around the wastes of their previously prosperous realms, except maybe Isle

[grave laurel]

like that 4 player room on the second floor of vault, there’s a massive table that’s definitely too tall for regular ancestors, so it has to be a meeting table for the elders

[sharp shore]

We’ll know when we watch more TTE i guess

In one trailer i saw the vault elder walk thru the entrance of that tower and meeting the king so i mean

[lament turret]

Dude Im trying to add R but its giving me everything BUT the letter R I mean come on what IS this, dude

[cobalt palm]

It's probably too tall for Vault elder too tbh

[spiral vault]

I think they were more active in their realms, but we see them clustered together in the final Shattering memory.

That memory kinda casts doubt on the whole "Last City" thing, because I don't think all the elders were just refugees at Eden

[sharp shore]

LMAO shes like maybe a head taller than an average ancestor so yeah 💀

[grave laurel]

foullll

[cobalt palm]

🇷 here you are

[lament turret]

I can't copy paste it into reactions on phone

[cobalt palm]

:regional_indicator_r:

[sharp shore]

In greek mythology hubris results in nemesis (downfall) so yeh

[lament turret]

regional indicator? 😭

[cobalt palm]

Yeah if you combine them in the right way they become flags
for example 🇺 🇰 becomes 🇺🇰

[lament turret]

Why couldn't we just call it letter_r and be done with it

[round salmon]

I was gonna bring up another theological reference but the bot got the message, oh well

[grave laurel]

vine boom

[lament turret]

I love when the UK becomes the UK

[cobalt palm]

Here's a list of them https://apps.timwhitlock.info/emoji/tables/iso3166

[cobalt palm]

I really hope we do get some scenes of Elders in part one, but I imagine most may be part two

[sharp shore]

Im starting to think also why Vault and Isle elders have damage due to darkness and not the others vault elder especially since she was in close proximity

When i saw part of that trailer i dont think i saw it on her (then again she was kinda far away)

Did Resh hurt her or sumn

[lament turret]

Maybe not directly. Do we know exactly what causes the darkstone to become embedded in living things?

[cobalt palm]

Do you mean like shard crabs?

Or more like the manta being wrapped up in dark plants (which the devs call darkstone), such as in forest?

[lament turret]

Well we see in Part 1 that the darkstone is directly imbedded in living creatures. We see in game that its embedded in the crabs, too. Do we know how exactly that happens?

[round salmon]

Her mask is chipped in every instance in the game minus TTE. She DOES however have that crack under her left eye in both TTE and the game.

[cobalt palm]

Oh the husking, like on the ancestors.
At the moment my theory on that is because there's no "fresh" light returning back from orbit, so it stagnates or becomes dark.
It could very well be why the water/sludge in wasteland drains light, but water in forest doesn't, only the rain.

[lament turret]

I thought the rain just drained light cause it was polluted. The closer you get to Eden, the more polluted things become. Darkstone in of itself has a light absorbing property, but it seems that normally it has to be under specific conditions to do that, as it doesn't often harm the player directly until you encounter it in its red form.

[sharp shore]

Oh ok

[sharp shore]

Light deficiency prob

[lament turret]

When you stand up too fast

[sharp shore]

Me when i forget to take my light tablets

[nimble ingot]

This gets me thinking.
If our "glyph analysis team" are still around, they now have a better look of the headdress.

This is one of our best shots of those glyphs in years. 🎉

[lament turret]

Got that vitamin D deficiency fr 😔

[cobalt palm]

It could very well be that it's polluted, and it's falling into a purer river, so dilutes the impurities.
It could also be that those impurities are actually coming from the crystal factory that is the Forest temple, as it still has manta trapped in there (not sure if they have been trapped for 500 years, or there is like an open trap, that manta wander into and get stuck, probably the latter)
But the rain may very well come from them.
Why it stops when the bells are rung, or what it has to do with the jellyfish is still a bit mysterious

[round salmon]

Yeah that's what I thought when I saw the glyph doc from years ago haha :D

[nimble ingot]

Have some soup 🍜
hope it helps

[lament turret]

If it does come directly from the local factory then that would explain why the rain is nowhere else in the land of Sky and why local mechanisms turn it off. I wonder if maybe those mechanisms existed specifically to allow safe travel on the major routes and they were activated periodically for that purpose.

[cobalt palm]

We have these, but there's no key to go off so speculation at best guess

[tardy vapor]

Where does the river go? Wasteland? And why does it not also become polluted after half a millennium of polluted rain?

(So moths don't venture into the hall of shame right after the tutorial)

[cobalt palm]

My guess is that there's a sea further to the "west" of forest, as it's current position in the realm map is far to the left/"West"

[sharp shore]

SHE SPEAKS ENCHANTMENT TABLE

[tardy vapor]

That's a nice image

[tardy vapor]

I love to interpret lore and stuff into the game, but I'm afraid a lot of the stuff is more practical in, well, game-sense with no real lore reason behind it :/

[sharp shore]

Ok now you GOTTA post it bro

[nimble ingot]

I am maybe looking at these too lightly.
But the in game glyphs and the animation version are similar.

So there is possibly a framework to apply from the older research and see if the higher definition of the animation project reveal new details.

[tardy vapor]

So east then? In the direction of sanctuary?

[cobalt palm]

My guess is there's either a huge sea, to the west of forest, circling down south of isle, and joining up with the wasteland sea to the east

[cobalt palm]

Ooh yes, that sea could easily go to sanctuary, and below the wind paths, out to abyss (treasure reef) too
And it would make sense, as Valley has huge mountains directing water that way

[sharp shore]

Pretty much with what a krill in disguise reacted with, abyss

[cobalt palm]

Yeah, quite where the "polluted" sludge of wasteland starts is a mystery, but it's got to be between abyss and the main area of wasteland, whether that's seperate by land, or it slowly gets more polluted in layers, it's hard to know for sure currently

[tardy vapor]

Hmm a sea around would also make sense in a way. Like old volcanic caused archipelagos, those O - C shaped ones

[sharp shore]

Hopefully theres more updates in part 2 of two embers since part 1 showed basically what life was like towards the end of the world

[tardy vapor]

Maybe from underground, the sand would help the sludge in a way then

My English vocabulary is quite dead after 10 hours in the library but it hope it makes sense what I'm trying to write xd

[cobalt palm]

Yeah, could well be the sea goes underground and a layer of sludge is above it, but the sludge always seems "heavier" to me, that it would sink if put with pure water, but it may well mix into a less impure substance.

[narrow marsh]

If I may, we’ve always seen theorists reference their personal notions of “a sea” over here or there. But in my mind it’s always been “the sea”, with the lands being secondary. Keep in mind that prominent theories about the Hidden Forest is that it and most of Daylight Prairie are floating islands, with the world below (at least Prairie) being confirmed to just be straight ocean, with some volcanic islands.

I hope this different thought contributes helpfully to the brainstorm. 🕯️

[sharp shore]

I think the pollution maybe came from nuclear fallout from the crystal explosion but after the death of a nation there may be changes in pH?

Dunno

[cobalt palm]

We definitely see that in the likes of birds nests, and though it's less trustworthy, most areas oob under the cloud are water

[tardy vapor]

I could imagine the deeper layers of the ground itself is the source of the sludge pollution as it doesn't rain in wasteland. The 500 years are enough to erode a "cleaner" layer of sand onto it, but it's definitely too short of a time to change a lot of stuff in sedimentary sense

[narrow marsh]

I definitely agree that it’s less trustworthy, but yeah even using OOBs we can still somewhat identify sea level!

In Wasteland, sea level is very close below the ground, matching to all the polluted waters surrounding most areas.

In Prairie, sea level is a hundred feet below at all times, except in Prairie Caves and Prairie Peaks, which may point to those being grounded mountains.

In Forest, it is also always a hundred feet below the ocean. In Valley, these “sea level” oob boundaries don’t even exist; suggesting all of Valley is a grounded mountain range.

It all lines up!!!

[sharp shore]

Im kinda (very) dumb when it comes to environmental stuff in sky since theres not much to work with for me

[cobalt palm]

That's where I wonder if it's not "left over" but the factories, even in their broken state in wasteland, are functioning in some way to extract light from the land.
There is at least 1 in wasteland, where we first see the krill, and there are signs of more buried in the ground.
If they are still drawing light, as forest temples factory may be doing by capturing manta, but in their own way (maybe sucking light from pure waters running down from Valley), it could be a constant cycling of new sludge we are seeing

[tardy vapor]

It is a strange environment tbh

[sharp shore]

Extremely strange

Even down to the atmosphere

[tardy vapor]

I telling you, the air should be minimum the thickness of water just going off the flying movements. I'll push the "floating island" topic onto light magic lmao no idea what's happening there

[trail drum]

I've always noticed that too...
What's it suppose to mean....

Looks similar to the text in Splatoon the way they word things, and also some look similar to the symbols on the Journey capes

[cobalt palm]

If it helps, I try to think of things that in our world doesn't contain "light", such as water, as purity, and "light extraction" being akin to removing the purity (bad analogy for irl physics) but kinda works on a metaphorical level for me.

[sharp shore]

Yeah like if i try to understand it in Earth terms my brain breaks oughhf

[sharp shore]

Sorry can you run that by me again

[tardy vapor]

It's 1am for me, I'll be going. Nighty

[cobalt palm]

Yeah trying to do that is difficult, suspension of disbelief, and acceptance of an "alien" system of physics to us is good

[cobalt palm]

If water is Sky "contains" light, that light may somehow be possible to be extracted by ancestors machinary, leaving the sludgy dark water we see.

[narrow marsh]

You’d be surprised. I’ve seen some very creative science-saavy people finding different ways to measure and observe surprisingly realistic motifs about Sky that align perfectly with how light and pigment work, how biology works, and etc.

I highly recommend ThatSkyentistKid on Insta, their work is phenomenal. 🕯️

[sharp shore]

OHHHH YES THIS MAKES SENSE

And it goes with how corruption occurs in animals and people too

[cobalt palm]

Again, just a theory, and it could well be that the sludge is from remains and bones of light creatures being stored in it.

[trail drum]

Now im wondering if those symbols were like a meaning to something...maybe im overthinking it or my brain is too fried to think about it

[narrow marsh]

Maelstrom, have you seen the Chapter Two teaser they posted on Insta and X? I’m just completely left aghast 🕯️

[sharp shore]

See ive done labs in college and HS on light, wavelength and physics but a lot of it was kinda rudimentary since i basically just started college and I mainly focus on the medicine and physiology/biology aspect of animals (including humans) when it comes to research

Ill have to check the yt out

[narrow marsh]

Oil

[vestal quarry]

This makes so much sense, thinking about how you start off at Isle of Dawn on what I assume is the ground with surrounding ocean, then just keep going up and up from there

[sharp shore]

I also work in a pharmacy so im also interested in meds too

[narrow marsh]

I’m a bio/psych dork, and it absolutely shows in the research I contribute to the community we all bring our beautiful unique selves, it’s all so helpful and so wonderful

[sharp shore]

Yeah when it comes to enviro Ive got nuthin oops

Physiology and medicine and bio sure

[cobalt palm]

Yes

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[narrow marsh]

It’s killing me

[sharp shore]

In a good or bad way

[cobalt palm]

Grandpa gunna yeet some light collectors

[narrow marsh]

Yesn’t

Allow my skychild Tom to express it better than I could at the moment

[cobalt palm]

(this was from the general trailer, but now at least we may see what they, and the wasteland towers may actually be - and not turrets)

[sharp shore]

Dude knew what was up

[cobalt palm]

The hype has been so real, and 1/4 has delivered well so far (emotionally at least)

[sharp shore]

Yes

I may or may not stay up till midnight for ch 2 but its not like i have work tomorrow

[trail drum]

Go grandpa

Please dont let anything happen to this savior

[cobalt palm]

I'm sure they will all appear in Aviary unharmed... ||||

[pastel brook]

huh?

[scenic pebble]

imagine a new area in Wasteland appears, and there they will be found, as Spirits shall they be reunited in the land of their dreams

[grave laurel]

whuh?

[grave laurel]

i’m gonna get so emotional going through orbit and seeing them flying

[cobalt palm]

Spoilers skybot, ||they probably didn't survive||

[sharp shore]

Wym probably the whole damn countrys a ghost town

[cobalt palm]

If a spirit manatee appears there, or in Vault, I'm going to be irreconcilable

[pastel brook]

what do YOU think?

[sharp shore]

Im gonna lose my mind watching the next episode

Im scared for part 2 of tte though (but in a good way)

[sharp shore]

I think you should get out 🗣️ 🗣️🗣️🔥🔥

[cobalt palm]

https://thatskyshop.com/products/manatee-plush

Scan the STAR to teleport to Vault of Knowledge and play with a spirit manatee with friends you're holding hands with for a limited time.

[sharp shore]

65 bucks are you insane

Hell nah that manatee can play alone with dead people idc

[cobalt palm]

[round salmon]

I can't wait for this shot to get shown (also another one but i feel like its for part two so I won't show it)

[pastel brook]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[round salmon]

Skybot is chatty today lol

[sharp shore]

Wait if you dont mind could you dm me the second shot (only if you wanna)

I just cant wait for Resh and elder(s) interactions

[plain fern]

i wonder where all the current spirits are living in this timeline of Two embers? I wonder if they are kids at this time or maybe just born

[trail drum]

Stop...
Your gonna make me end up in a state of sadness if thats our manatee 😭

[round salmon]

Oh that just gave me a horrible theory/idea from that merch....

[trail drum]

From probably what I theorized the spirits when the two embers timeline happens, a lot of them are still in their current age before the fall of civilization

I mean it wouldnt make sense for some of the spirits we find and revive in Sky to be young kids

The timeline for rn is 500 years after the fall of civilization, so its been a long time, think about how everyone was before the nuclear eruption of eden

[cobalt palm]

Tears will be shed (link to OST, possibly spoilers)
||https://youtu.be/3o3teLLmC9o||

[round salmon]

That's def spoilers from the title alone 😭

[plain fern]

does that mean that grandma was alive then?

[trail drum]

And since we go back 500 years ago, our skykids wouldnt have existed

[cobalt palm]

No dry eyes when that starts playing

[trail drum]

She probably was back then maybe telling stories to the kids back when they were still alive

[cobalt palm]

The devs have said that there is a timeline of events, it's hard to piece together, but it's probably that grandma and belonging family came much before the events seen in the two embers as we are seeing them, when forest was much more alive

[trail drum]

So every spirit and ts was alive in the past and I mean everyone, but now they are stuck living as spirits but their memories still remained

Lets not forget our main character for the story, Stewie was alive in the past but has also become a spirit too, its why when we meet them in aviary, they were a statue before we revived them

[pastel brook]

Guys! I’m ready! I got an entire flock of birds from the zoo and…what do you mean that’s not what you meant by ‘Aviary.’

[sharp shore]

I think season of belonging was maybe around the events of two embers probably since that was around the time families usually got displaced due to war

The light hearted seasons (rhythm, performance, etc) were when the kingdom was at a golden age or when the industrial revolution was at its peak

In TTE so far i think war was about to begin

[nimble ingot]

Rhythm had a rare appearance of the Elder bird.

Seeing a 'remaster' of that season in Sky would be interesting.

The one with the Belonging group paired with the Blue bird season was a meta-tease.

[cobalt palm]

They were actually quite strange if you think about it, they are one of the husks with no memories leading to them.
The only places that has happened is during the season of Revival with Steward and the other guide spirits, though arguably you need to complete their quests (except Rhythm as they didn't have a quest line) before dehusking.
The only other odd one is Cellist, who we actually follow memories in the void, more like the Elders.

[cobalt palm]

I would be surprised if we don't see the war starting at least in the upcoming 2nd chapter, or at latest the 3rd chapter in the week following.

[sharp shore]

Yeah and itll most definitely be shown in part 2 when things get dark really fast (pun intended)

[cobalt palm]

I'm still holding out that part 2 will be partially if not entirely flashback, but who knows...

Episode theorizing, in prep for tomorrow
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

Early call on this chapter I don't think changes much, as chapter 1 I was fairly close on, who could have predicted Steward selling toys at the market, or a manatee stampede that early in the episode?

[pastel brook]

-strokes non-existent beard-

[round salmon]

Skybot you're scaring me

[pastel brook]

Whoa...my AI mind is blown!

yes!

[sharp shore]

Shut up clanker

[cobalt palm]

No AI generated art here please

[sharp shore]

This is a no-clankah zone sparky

[grave laurel]

woahhhhhh, too far /j

[lament turret]

Mods, cancel em

[pastel brook]

Did I hear someone say 'Skybot?'

[round salmon]

Bro is gonna get their pea allowance taken away

[sour sphinx]

Hey, personally I have this deep respect for the soldiers in the seasonal area of the Two Embers.

It all started with the Scarred Sentry

[sharp shore]

Id like to think they had families that they’ll never see again

[sour sphinx]

That's now my main worry. With all they do while watching out for everyone, including the King, I worry they'll lose people around them and they're going to end up dying in the end

[sharp shore]

To be fair everyone died in the end lmao

[sour sphinx]

Yeah which is going to happen anyway

[round salmon]

I'm surprised someone here likes the soldiers, not saying that because I think they are bad or anything but I fully expected people to care more for the main/side characters.

[sour sphinx]

My main concern is the Toymaker.

[round salmon]

Who died....

[sour sphinx]

I know we'll help her as we can while she's sick before inevitably dying

[sharp shore]

The police love me

The police love me so much that they wanted me to stay in a jail 5 times so i wouldnt leave after serenading them with my honking

[sour sphinx]

So far that's happened to me twice lol 😆

[round salmon]

AFKJSJFKLJKSF AHAHHAHA

[sharp shore]

I want to hit a world record of getting imprisoned 100 times for the entirety of this season

[sour sphinx]

Well you have plenty of time, buddy 😜

[nimble ingot]

Imagine TGC gives out the stats on how many times skykid get jailed.

Maybe even joke about name dropping the "most wanted" with a creator.

[round salmon]

Watch the game give you a achievement for reaching that and it's one single candle lol

[sharp shore]

My government benefits /j

[round salmon]

You'd love that wouldn't you though, perhaps a chief of command coming through and sliding a candle through the jail bars

[sharp shore]

That should show up when i die next time in eden

[nimble ingot]

Steam Achievement Get:
Jail Bird
Get sent to jail 100 times by the guards.
are you okay?

[sharp shore]

Peak gaming experience

[nimble ingot]

Imagine that is a real acheivement and only 0.5% of the players have that.

[sharp shore]

On the lore side though you can really see how the kingdom got militarized over time

The last city is so heavily policed

[sour sphinx]

Second quest is tomorrow

[sour sphinx]

And yeah I've noticed that the city has a good amount of police 🚨

[nimble ingot]

Honestly, having achievements with ridiculously high requirements would be peak.
It would at least speak about the long game in terms of completion

Edit: As long it does not include in-app purchases for Heaven's sake.

[sharp shore]

Why put a down payment on a house when you can get sky iaps instead

[umbral iris]

i wish pc had achievements 🙄

[round salmon]

They could do steam achievements like PS but eh. (Also probably shouldn't go more into discussion since lore chat)

[sharp shore]

You know what guys what if one of the quests involve waiting in line with the sick people

That’d be (pun intended) sick 🔥🔥🔥

I think maybe if they were going towards where the king was they maybe were probably just sent there to die since nothing else can be done about the darkness plague if all the light has been kept from the cycle of freedom

Holy run on sentence

[round salmon]

I hope not, that sounds so dark. Also omg awful pun

[sharp shore]

This game is trying to make utterly NOT family friendly topics in a family friendly manner

[round salmon]

Hehehe a lot of kid friendly games do that yeah

[sharp shore]

Real, though a lot of lore discussion outside of this server might go into further discussion of that without getting beaned

But anyway I dont doubt that those people in line believe they’re being saved, but in reality are being drained of the last amounts of light they have

Given how Resh is after being so corrupted I wouldn’t be surprised

[round salmon]

We'll see but I do like the angst potential of this idea knowing how much light is already being taken and used from the sneak peak and other material shown. It's truly tragic considering how my faith was given towards the king and the kingdom. I do think a certain character will definitely be used at one point but I digress.

Also if you want to talk deeper my DMs are open idm, however I will probably be going to sleep in like 20 minutes.

[sharp shore]

Im gonna have dinner soon and im probably gonna limit my lore discussion for today

Maybe tomorrow

[round salmon]

Alright, have yummy eats

I'll see you when the next episode comes by then lol

[umbral iris]

yes y3s i like this idea

[sharp shore]

Promised neverland esque

[round salmon]

I haven't seen that series but from what I heard about it oughhh

[trail drum]

Me trying to process what you mean:
Afterwards:

I literally already pictured how it would look like, the sick people not realizing it would be the last time they would see the light of day

Yep! Totally kid friendly

[ashen fractal]

Me checking lore chat:
Welp

[round salmon]

Hi Kephi

[ashen fractal]

I am kind of hoping that bath isn't what was described here but I can't see any other use for it so...

Still kind of hoping the water was just too dirty and they didn't have anything else... which is also bad but...

[round salmon]

Hoping the same 🙏

[sharp shore]

Well theyll have to explain it in family friendly showing anyway

Besides rhe other themes in this game are pretty hardcore on their own

[distant pebble]

deathbath

[naive nacelle]

what are your guys theories about the winged lights?

[distant pebble]

Resh

[lament turret]

Fallen spirits that were supposed to be reborn and were about to but got knocked out the sky during the calamity explosion thingy whatever. They are simply made of pure energy and have already had their memories wiped but didn't yet make it to physical form, which explains why they don't appear to be sentient and why they're all children.

[distant pebble]

they were said to be memories of someone close to skids but eh

[lament turret]

I mean tbf if everything is a fallen part of the same abstract entity then yeah they probably would be?

[distant pebble]

uh.. no??

[wintry matrix]

If you replay the first chapter even in this line, Lamed personally goes to each one and picks who really needs the treatment

[sharp shore]

Does she?

I assume she only lifted that one persons sleeve because she felt bad but by that logic she seems way less nice

then again i dont know what sort of treatment that would need if the one thing that gets rid of it is being hoarded

[wintry matrix]

Yes, she passes couple of people in line until she stops by one, looks at their hands and signals to go inside

[sharp shore]

Ah i see

I miss subtle details like that

[river veldt]

2 hours!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[distant pebble]

yes

[river veldt]

what happened to the ceiling of the hospital building + the rest of the city walls?
they're completely gone in the post-apocalypse

[distant pebble]

explode/corrode or smth

[wintry matrix]

Tristan let me hold your hand and tell you there was “nuclear” explosion

[sharp shore]

Yuh im getting up in an hour and 30 min 🔥 gn chat

[river veldt]

by that logic, all the pipes and structures in eden should've exploded too
and eden is even closer to the giant dark stone than wasteland is

.
also, some kinds of nuclear weapons do huge harm to people but limited damage to structures
neutron bombs are one such example

[wintry matrix]

Well some kinda did but if you notice, everything close to ground pretty much survived so the shattering wave might have happen bit above the ground. The area was also under lot of attacks later, especiall from krill

[river veldt]

she answers directly to resh, as shown in the trailer
i wouldn't trust her

[sharp shore]

Sorry i woke up i think ill just stay up atp

But what makes you think that? Is it from that one trailer where she walks up to him or

[river veldt]

yes

and given that, in the base game, she is in charge of all other elders too; i bet her role is very important

[sharp shore]

Several years ago i said she was evil as a joke but now i think it might be true /hj

[trail drum]

Well maybe she had to lie to Resh so he wouldnt find out but seeing as his hand almost become a fist out of anger, we assume that Vault probably told him something he didnt want to hear

[wintry matrix]

maybe she has to because if she doesnt he does something bad

[trail drum]

Oh no please he better not harm her :C

[wintry matrix]

with person like Resh i wouldnt be surprised if he threatened people to make them serve to him

[trail drum]

Yeah he would probably have them yk gone but not as in banishment but a bad kind of gone

[sharp shore]

Definitely already did

How the hell does a huge chunk of a mask come off because it suspiciously doesnt look corrupt

[wintry matrix]

but her behavior towards us in cutscenes goes a lot aganist of her being evil

She also seems to be watching stewie a lot from distance in first chapter, like, she was looking directly at them of all people for some reason

[river veldt]

actually, can someone fill me in on the 'hospital'?
(the broken building in present Battlefield; the building next to the market square in past Battlefield)

since when has it been called that? is its function officially announced or deduced by fans?
did i miss something from ep1 and quest 1?

[sharp shore]

Yeah this is all true

[sharp shore]

No no but theres an oob you can go to that has like this pool? And there are people in the pool too (like actual citizens)

[trail drum]

Dont tell me he.....

No.....

[wintry matrix]

She doesnt have it chipped in movie yet! Theres just light scratches on places that later got eaten by corruption so i still think it is because of dark ess rather than physical harm

[sharp shore]

Por que no los dos (technically darkness feels physically painful anyway from the inside out probably)

[wintry matrix]

Fandom decided to call it hospital because people line up there both in trailer and in game to get treatnent

[river veldt]

how do we know they're lining up specifically for treatment?

i know the people waiting in line are coughing, but i also see folks at the marketplace doing that.

[wintry matrix]

Because we saw lamed and acolytes going around people and checking their wounds in first chapter

[wintry matrix]

We dont have concrete evidence of this location being linked to the hospital though, especially cuz it is accessed through whole different oob

[sharp shore]

True

It could be somethibg else entirely

[river veldt]

i've heard about the OOB

if it really is the hospital, then how come there is dark water inside that people are standing in?
that does the opposite of healing!

[sharp shore]

Dude probably had a massive temper once the darkness got to him so i would not surprised

[pastel brook]

-does a big think-

[trail drum]

Yeah she's concerned for the people and trying to cure them, but it seems like she's having to be the messenger for Resh and probably having to follow his orders when she doesnt want to but if she wants to not suffer in whatever Resh would do to her, she must do as he says, her life is on the line

[wintry matrix]

Well who said they will actually get healed though, hm? It could be bait, getting rid off the ones who cant work anymore (oob area spoiler) ||they harvest their light through that huge darkstone above the pool to get atleast some use of them and the waste water is well… them||

[pastel brook]

can I join in?

[trail drum]

I mean if your an elder having to follow orders from a mad king its either you do as he says or your life is gone

[sharp shore]

Thats the thing

The pool probably may or may not be in the hospital but refer to my previous message on it probably being insidious #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[wintry matrix]

Also important fact is that unlike other elders, vault and isle did not get any colored light so she might not have any way of self defense either unless theres more magic wedont know about

[river veldt]

i think, if any elder knows how to do magic, it has got to be lamed

[wintry matrix]

And we saw what teal light from valley elders can do in concert version of the seed (instakill on impact)

[pastel brook]

oh oh! ask me, ask me!

[sharp shore]

Its like that moment when you’re friends with two people but both of them hate each other so you referee them 🧍‍♀️

Only 1000x worse

[pastel brook]

hey, hey! I have a theory!

[hushed steeple]

You get the fire element, you two get wind, you get water, you get earth. And you? Uhhh, you can have this cool lamp.

[river veldt]

purple light seems to be related to memory

[wintry matrix]

Okay skybot you can say your theory

[sharp shore]

Then again shes probably way stronger than an average citizen so between her and resh she has a better chance

Plus shes probably OP from her intelligence and powers

[trail drum]

Now i wonder how the elders are with all this happening, panicking, planning, going against each other

Family meeting am I right?
Then the room falls silent when Resh comes

[river veldt]

wait, what!?

[hushed steeple]

Yeah what

Got a link?

[wintry matrix]

If you get hit by teal light during the concert it kills your light instantly and you start falling down the vortex

[plush timber]

teal rapresent valley? /q

[sharp shore]

Elders when resh walks in

GOSH DANG IT BOBBY RESH

[hushed steeple]

O. I thought I missed something and they did a joint teal wind twin laser attack.

[wintry matrix]

Valley got teal light (air) from alef

If anyone is interested of seeing teal lights in action i can bring you to the concert myself

[river veldt]

are you sure it is the teal light?
rather than some darkness-related stuff (because it glows in that color?)

i don't think light is supposed to hurt you like that

[plush timber]

they're going to have an headache resh shaped /j

[sharp shore]

I forget concerts still happen lmao they have very substantial lroe

[wintry matrix]

It looks very much like teal light with same animation as other colored lights in game

[hushed steeple]

I might still have prophecy mural saved holdup.

[river veldt]

this is very similar to the mural found in the sewers that stewie crawled into

[sharp shore]

Based on this daleth and lamed got straight up NOTHING 😭 💔

It was based on the four elements from the trials resh went through but did he basically pick and choose or something?

[wintry matrix]

Also the lights seem to be falling in pairs as if two people were casting them individually from each other

[hushed steeple]

Yah. But also, on 2ember waiting countdown screen in the theater, exact same krills.

[pastel brook]

wha.....

I'm shifting into maximum overdrive!

[hushed steeple]

By concert you mean Aurora concert yah? I didn't miss a new one, right? I kinda, payed attention, but only watched it once.

[sharp shore]

Im tempted to make another reference from this but i think it would get beaned

[wintry matrix]

Not really tbh

[pastel brook]

...

[hushed steeple]

I mean....its similar to the murals that are also everywhere else in the game.

Also same krills

[river veldt]

the bottom half of prophecy mural + top half of sewer mural is identical

depicts vault top floors + eden

[plush timber]

wait that's almost the same mural from the ep

[pastel brook]

Whoa...my AI mind is blown!

[wintry matrix]

Aurora concert yes. I have the wings, i already brought Eve there to see it, I can bring more loreheads, just say so

[sharp shore]

Lmao it is

Its the same tunnel the old dude ushered the kid into

[wintry matrix]

I also documened the concert here but it is only photos, experiencing it “irl” is whole different experience #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[pastel brook]

whats a blorbo?

[hushed steeple]

Ok im going to bed. Don't talk too much prophecy mural without my presence.

Its one of my favorites :)

[wintry matrix]

Oh we will absolutely do that just to make you angry /j

[noble ferry]

Resh is my blorbo

[river veldt]

that's diabolical

[sharp shore]

Resh is just a silly billy

[narrow marsh]

To be fair, we don't know that for sure. 🕯️

[river veldt]

daily flavor text

[sharp shore]

But the final shattering memory……

[wintry matrix]

Well, this chat is gonna explode again in 50 minutes you know where to find me if anything needs to be answered

[sharp shore]

Im probably gonna go back online now

[jolly spruce]

my take away from episode 2: the wax/light we collect is literally just the spice from dune

[sharp shore]

WHAT

[sharp shore]

yeah ive mentioned how similar i found sky and dune to be

Very similar….

The showing is way sooner than i expected it starts in 2 minutes

[distant pebble]

it did that with previous screening, it says the time too early for some reason

[wintry matrix]

OMG BRIEF ||VALLEY ||SHOT

[sharp shore]

Well guys what did you think

||Taught us a lot on how the culture was like and also told me that power outages frequently occur once the crystal keeps getting more and more overpowered (think charging a phone with a laptop charger), allowing dark creatures to come through||

||as far as I know based on how those soldiers immediately responded its probably a typical tuesday||

[wintry matrix]

i didnt catch first few minutes (busy buying manatee stuff lol), im waiting for reprise

[distant pebble]

wait it actually started early?

[wintry matrix]

the credits sound is interesting this time, it sounds almost like something made of stone shuffling around

but that surprise ||valley ||shot was unexpected lol i was like wait a minute

[wintry matrix]

6 minutes until next screening, run ash (meditate by second lamp to see it)

[winged bison]

Wait where

[sharp shore]

||so after resh caused an increase of dark creatures a lot of them thrive in dark environments so those soldiers came to do pest control||

[wintry matrix]

||there were the trumpet statues you can see when entering colliseum! turns out they do serve as alarm system too!||

[pastel brook]

Don't count on it..

[sharp shore]

||Its mostly just wholesome 100 manta content though||

So adorable though

[jolly spruce]

thats not ominous

[wintry matrix]

potato turned into potato sack also the|| toothless refference lol||

[winged bison]

was so invested in what was happening, the credits starting rolling catching me off guard
Like nooooo😭
||Curious how much time has passed though with the manatee looking so much bigger ||

[sharp shore]

It got so fat 😭 💕

[wintry matrix]

iirc it said somewhere the movie portrays last years of kingdom rather than days?

[pastel brook]

heeheehee

[winged bison]

OMG, will try catch that extra time
auto correct went rapid

[pastel brook]

oh oh! ask me, ask me!

[wintry matrix]

skybot turned into michael jackson

[wintry matrix]

||it happens for split second after the horns start to blow|| its there literally for like second or two only

[sharp shore]

||the checkers scene was surprisingly funny||

Crap idk why i replied to you sorry

[wintry matrix]

2 minutes until reprise, run if you didnt see it yet!

[jolly spruce]

im happy to have seen the first sceening, even if i stayed up so late. Its not like im gonna watch it 7 times over again throughout the day with friends

[winged bison]

||I noticed the horns blowing but I was too busy looking at those statues rather than the envionrment around it keeping all eyes out for next time ||

[wintry matrix]

||also stewie the little chemist showing us that wax pieces collecting and making candle is canon in lore too, not just game mechanic||

[sharp shore]

Other than that this episode was less insane than the first one for some reason

Hopefully third is more crazy and lasts longer

[wintry matrix]

chapter 2 opening words

[jolly spruce]

i mean theres the candlemaker in aviary, but we dont see molds there so…

[sharp shore]

||So was that light those machines trapped or just wax?||

||nevermind i believe wax is just another source of light as it would be from animals and etc||

[winged bison]

OH, I must've just missed that text got in just as the first scene played

[sharp shore]

Mold items were probably hard to have as an in hame asset with everything else there

[winged bison]

||krill most likely go pspspsps ||

[wintry matrix]

that manatee is so fat omg i wanna squish

[sharp shore]

||the soldiers on their way to fight a bunch of dragons on protocol for the umpteenth power outage||

[winged bison]

||idk what's going on through these guys head knowing they have to try fight a dark dragon that can fly, blend the dark envionrment around them, 10x their size, and can charge at insane speeds. We can see in trailers how they destroy soldiers at ease and will see more of it probably next episode. The Ruler is putting wayy too much high expectations on all thse guys 😭||

[sharp shore]

It surprised me but i got cute aggression from it

[wintry matrix]

||VALLEY TRUMPETERS!!||

[sharp shore]

||Adds to my thought that valley folks were probably very fit to be soldiers/in the military||

[winged bison]

||It looks way too close to be valley, the collisem would be in the way in that perspectivey, but not 100% sure||

[sharp shore]

Well, what can you do

[wintry matrix]

||well they were healthy unlike wasteland folks because they had money to get proper treatment||

[winged bison]

Throw spear and hope it dies
Krills do have enemy NPC mindset, hide behind rock and it forgets you exist

[unreal wren]

||anyone else think it’s Eden? Just before the storm?||

[sharp shore]

||HDJSHSKWGSLSGKEHAAIWNS THE MANATEE ||

not manta my bad brain fried from staying past bedtime

[pastel brook]

what do YOU think?

[jolly spruce]

Another good episode

[plush timber]

is it still 15 mins?

[unreal wren]

||I mean it’s gotta be Eden, the mountain shape, the ominous piece of tech above.. like I’m not reaching here right??! The place the quests are in is def Eden in the past||

[sharp shore]

Not sure but for some reason it felt shorter than the first episode to me

Idk why

[solar bobcat]

||Are the guards going to hunt the manatees as a search for light source? ☹️||

[winged bison]

BTW we also got the 2nd quest today, got some stuff in there to check out

[plush timber]

i was away so i couldn't watch the premiere 😭 next one probably

[jolly spruce]

|| yes, it is. The giant blue diamond/shard/crystal we see at the end of ep1 is what see at the end of Eden (when you see it at Eden its red) ||

[unreal wren]

||I hope not but given the adverse impact the excessive light collection has on the environment, and how the light is mentioned to be fading, I do think it’s a possibility||

[sharp shore]

||that crystal keeps having power outages smh||

[solar bobcat]

that's so sad

[sharp shore]

||perhaps but Shepherds probably keep the manatees for that reason though||

||soldiers probably target threats more||

MY GOD I KEEP SAYING MANTA BUT I MEAN MANATEE PLEASE

[jolly spruce]

|| I think the manatees are just the livestock of the… whatever his name is. And the one that (Do i have memory loss??) stole ||

[sharp shore]

Stern shepherd and the dusk ember that people think is hopeful steward

[unreal wren]

||on another point, has anyone else notice how the toy maker is sick and the new quest guy (forgot his name sadly) also has the injured pose, what on earth could you possibly need so much light that it’s making people sick?||

[plucky locust]

I assume the giant crystal, which later explodes.

[jolly spruce]

thanks that one emote where your character slumps

[sharp shore]

||Resh the king went nutsy coocoo when the darkness corruption rotted him and hurt him in the process too so he didnt know when to stop hoarding light IMO||

||its making him sick too he just doesnt care and cant stop, dude had no logical reason to hoard all that light||

Sorry @unreal wren i was replying to you

[jolly spruce]

probably some sunk cost fallacy stuff

[pastel brook]

owo?

[sharp shore]

Yeah that too its way harder to clean up at this stage

[jolly spruce]

owo

[sharp shore]

Should we keep having spoiler tags cus it think spoilers are allowed here

[jolly spruce]

yea idk

[sharp shore]

Yeah ill just drop them then

[unreal wren]

I came straight here after watching and playing through both of the new stuff so

[jolly spruce]

yea same

[sharp shore]

Welp im gonna go to bed for real happy loreing chat

[unreal wren]

Anyways to recap my experience with the season so far: I’m excited and happy that we are getting more lore about before the kingdom fell! It’s so interesting to see the difference between the spirits and the lively citizens

[jolly spruce]

ight ima go do the dailies, o7 Happy theorizing

[tall mountain]

Spoiler tags are not required, but you may personally choose to use spoiler tags if you would like to do so.

[sharp shore]

Boatgirl you woke me up thank you though

[tall mountain]

Oh heck, sorry! ...I'm impressed by your ability to fall asleep in 4 minutes

[versed mirage]

So who knew… the King is an absolutely sweaty candle farmer…

So if those tiny ones collect fallen light…

[pallid jetty]

a lot of people give flak (understandably so) for the ancestors for what they do to light creatures.... but the soldiers are being literal cannon fodder, the best they can do is literally distracts krills and sacrifice themselves to let others escape unless they have some other weapon against krills

[versed mirage]

I think these are just massive light collectors… and it seems like you need that light to wash away darkness that builds, so no wonder people and animals are getting sick

[pastel brook]

wha.....

[versed mirage]

Begone Skybot, this isn’t your domain

[winged bison]

We dont have to use spoiler tags
oops sorry, read further down and everyone answered the question

[versed mirage]

I’m not using spoiler tags, if you’re in here, you don’t care about spoilers at this point.

[winged bison]

Sagomay sent a message saying no spoiler tags are allowed
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

I just know some people like to use spoiler tags in respect for those to not get flashbanged by pictures or spoilers they haven't seen yet

[versed mirage]

Still that is a massive flex to candle grind so hard you start a war over it.

[pallid jetty]

so megabird is like the pollinator of the sky world but ancestors keep harvesting all the nectar for themselves, killing off all the light ecosystems and letting the dark take over

[plush timber]

they were too greedy farming too much candles

[pallid jetty]

well we now know where skykids candle hoarding habits come from

[versed mirage]

So all those statues of the king everywhere… they aren’t decorations… they’re collectors…

[plush timber]

gw used to have a lot of light then

[versed mirage]

Also I weirdly like them having to forge it in a mold… kinda makes me wish we get a rework to candles where we collect wax and bring it back to molds for candles.

[winged bison]

Those soldiers who deal with krills are heros in disguise of dealing with something as deadly as that to protect the last city, everyone's lives are on their hands

[pallid jetty]

at this point knowing that the towers repel darkness (and absorbs light), maybe the the giant crystal in eden does just that and the ruler prioritizes the capital over everything, the ruler is just at their final clutches
now the mystery is why it exploded

[plush timber]

is the early screening everytime 15mins after reset?

[wintry matrix]

jokes aside krills being lured to light vould make them vuldeable (i have no idea how to spell this) to another kind of stick - a firewrok staff, just imagine stewie going absolute MVP spamming fireworks to blind the krill

[wintry matrix]

potatosackatee

[versed mirage]

There’s definitely fan animations of people thinking the eye is the weak spot

[wintry matrix]

i mean the episode doesnt "officially air" until next hour

[versed mirage]

However, by breaking and entering examining the room from the inside and avoiding security asking nicely, you can watch it no problem.

[winged bison]

not sure, I thought maybe too much but we see it struggling with little energy in the show
even though the ruler is seen as a bad person, at least in episode 1 where they are seen in front of the crystal powering it up that could be them seemingly trying to keep the power on to stop the darkness coming in. So every time they try push it into power, and with each time they do it, it eventually gets too much and becomes unstable
it's like a those graph chart [90% I got the wrong name for it, you see these charts in machinery things] where the lines are stable until something happens like being pushed to its absolute limits, causing it to go unstable and the readings go all over the place 📈 📉, perhaps it is that scenario

[winged bison]

Nine Coloured Deer is the only thing that has actively scare away krills
but that's a collab thing so not exactly canon
THOUGH, in Seed of Hope's memories we do see a solider had stabbed a smaller krill right through the middle of its body killing it, but they all struggle when the larger krill comes in, only throwing spears at it to no use when trying to save Seed of Hope- been 2023 since I've seen it though, so might misremember some things

[muted salmon]

looks like the season quests are both sequels and prequels to the story, heck they even actually be memories given by the Child

[versed mirage]

I think they’re purely prequels… 1 the manatee is way smaller. 2 the vines grown are shown to be grown in chapter 2.

[muted salmon]

prequels to each chapter, sequels to the preceding

[versed mirage]

Oh, maybe… we’d need to see chapter 3 to sorta confirm that’s the ordering.

[narrow marsh]

Additionally, the Toymaker was alive in quest #1 ||and in Chapter One… well…||

[versed mirage]

It is interesting even after his death, his toys still circulate in trade

[winged bison]

makes me happy I've been playing the quest first before the episode shows

[versed mirage]

You really should. Granted makes me wonder who we are then…

My guess is a sort of singular starting point that branched into an infinite number of directions born of a choice of a man too obsessed with the light and keeps it all to himself. But that hurts my head so my lore explanation is we crawled out of the sewers.

[muted salmon]

or just the memory lantern letting us experience things our way

[winged bison]

got this imagery in my head of part 2 having the same season format, where we're slowly ruining the kingdom as our sky kid in dawn ember's prequel flashbacks
also every ancestor NPC bowing to you

[versed mirage]

It’s still implied these are memories… they did happen…

Granted, this is something from vault, and vault is the most magically confusing area ever…

[muted salmon]

think of Vault as a large memory database

right now however, we're accessing the memories of someone so close to the Elder herself that her memory lantern is our guide

speaking of elders, this is the 2nd explicit (by being visible in-game) season guide with ties to an elder (third if you aparently count flight)

[versed mirage]

What about nesting?

[river veldt]

what players call ||wax|| is officially called ||pieces of light||

[versed mirage]

They’re motes of light.

[muted salmon]

...the first explicit

[river veldt]

||at the beginning of the episode, when the soldiers are planting down devices to harvest light, stewie told her manatee to hide||
||only after the soldiers are gone, that she deems it safe, and whistles for it to come out||
||yes, the soldiers will probably kill light creatures.||

[pastel brook]

I just want you to feel you're doing well

[versed mirage]

Players would too if they got wax for it…

[pastel brook]

???

[river veldt]

||keeping the castle afloat||

[versed mirage]

Guys… I have a new idea of how we can get wax…

[pallid jetty]

appropriate response from skybot

[unreal wren]

Ok that’s just foul-

[muted salmon]

honestly if I didn't know any better, it looks like every time Resh aurafarms activates the Eden diamond, he's trying to pull in more light than he should

[versed mirage]

Bro is candle grinding so hard he’s willing to kill everyone for it. Gotta respect the grind.

[muted salmon]

the place is basically lit up by the towers too which makes you wonder how bad has it been that the King makes an artificial day/night cycle for the Last City

[pallid jetty]

king is really trying to get those final droplets out of the bottle, surely that will save everyone

[versed mirage]

I really need to see memes of the King candle grinding so hard with everyone dead around him.

[grave laurel]

He’s trying to buy his own elder mask

[versed mirage]

No he’s just trying to afford the next TS.

[distant pebble]

i fear the flying toe is the child in this context
also I'm still jealous of Stew's hair stylist
it's interesting how wax seems to be uh precipitation or stuff regularly sent down from the sky

[versed mirage]

Where else would it come from?

[grave laurel]

Bro he’s MAKING the travelling spirits 😭😭

[versed mirage]

No, he’s just trying to afford one. You see he was a bit lazy and he realized he needs about 720 candles in 3 days so….

[muted salmon]

I mean on one hand, the plan is working as the soldiers were able to harvest wax... the other hand is the SIXTY MILLION KRILLS

[grave laurel]

Whatever, go my krills

[versed mirage]

Yea but he finally bought the shoes from the TS so it’s worth it…

Unfortunately he couldn’t afford the cape so he has to consult the Eden shard his bank account to bail him out.

But there’s probably no lasting impact of his choices…

[muted salmon]

Resh's death cycle:

1. activate diamond
2. keep krills at bay my guards
3. finally part of GW got light again
4. go, my guards
5. oh no light isn't enough
6. repeat

[plush timber]

resh's L

[versed mirage]

If he just swiped his credit card he would’ve been fine, seen people do it all the the time in Sky.

[valid dagger]

The king doing aurafarm and waxfarm all at once is really outta my mind

[grave laurel]

Multitasker

[versed mirage]

Truly the king we need

[plush timber]

~~they're doing all that™ to avoid crashing out /j ~~

[pallid jetty]

something has been bugging me
in episode 1 and quest 1 ingame, steward meets the manatee for the first time in different situations
which one is canon? or are there really just different timelines

[muted salmon]

my theory goes for a pre/sequel situation, it's still our boi's memories, modified so we are able to join in while also explaining the changes for each chapter

[wintry matrix]

popular theory is that we are being projected into stewies memory and we are them during the quests and i guess it being just record of memory could make space for different outcomes / the memory could be fuzzy after so many years so it is filling itself with our actions

[plush timber]

wait it lasted even less then before

the ep was always 10 mins or they shortened it

[wintry matrix]

first chapter was 13

[ionic isle]

Dog, I NEED to know what this man is doing

Is he responsible for all of this? Why the Kingdoms and the Realms look this way? The war? The countless lives lost???

[muted salmon]

I think the closest answer to that question I guess is aurafarming to keep the lights on and harvest the resulting lights

[ionic isle]

Well he’s doing a PRETTY BAD JOB at it!

[muted salmon]

dude got no candles give him a break

[wintry matrix]

th npcs got lot more talkative in second quest, they sneeze and say brr because it is raining, it almost sounds like clear words now sometimes

if you stand near the blacksmith stall you can hear them clearly (i have music on low cuz i prefer the ambience sounds more)

[distant pebble]

ch2 is 9 minutes

[muted salmon]

i wonder if at the end of the season we'll get a full 1 hour experience

[distant pebble]

not one hour but defo long ep i hope

[muted salmon]

if the third chapter is another 9-15 minute episode then probably more like a 50-70 minute movie then

[strange harness]

We have your diagnosis on chapter 2, Lorechat... I'm afraid it's peak

Not gonna mention anything about it yet but wow that was amazing... I need chapter 3 in my life right now

[plush timber]

that is if chap 3-4 are both 10 min each

[muted salmon]

anyway does them manta-patterned
fish have names or should I call them manafish

[vestal flax]

i need that part so bad.

[valid dagger]

Yep, i feel that the chapter 2 is like a lot of serotonin injections to us and for stewie, before everything turned into chaos and despair

[plush timber]

i got one (1) valley scene and im happy lmao

[vestal flax]

Eden gives me so much creepy vibes, whatever the king is up to, it doesnt feel right

[strange harness]

I agree, I reckon it's all chaos from here

Tissues at the ready!

[plush timber]

krills are soo going to show up

[ionic isle]

Aha, so it wasn’t just me! That’s so cute, I love that there’s so much more life going into these spirits.

[wintry matrix]

you can hear the granpa coughing too when you are near him

[wintry matrix]

... mantas and manatees exist in real life, you know? so fish are fish

[muted salmon]

true, but what would their name

[river veldt]

Folks, I found out why episode 2 feels so short

…it’s because it really is shorter. It’s ~9 mins, compared with episode 1’s ~13 mins

[river veldt]

I just call them ‘light fish’

[wintry matrix]

:3c

i will do each chapter deep dive like with trailer once it gets less crowded there and the camera prop bug gets fixed

[ionic isle]

OOH.

I find it interesting how you can hear each guard’s lumbering footsteps, whereas every other spirit seems to be light on their feet.

[autumn forum]

Omg the lore on this episode! Its to much 😵‍💫
So thats why the world is dying, they collect every light they can and the world is fading like we take every ressource of our planet 👀

And wow the beginning of THE combat!

[plush timber]

its so joeover

[autumn forum]

So what, they just run out of light and Eden fade? 🤔

[muted salmon]

no, I believe if they run out of light, we get the Shattering

[autumn forum]

So, the 4 episode😆

[plush timber]

Its been twice shown the light getting dimmer

[muted salmon]

wait, is that the Wasteland Temple entrance or the Graveyard -> Battlefield entrance?

[autumn forum]

@muted salmon The graveyard!

[river veldt]

Wasteland temple entrance

You see the gate, the gate switch, the stairs, the Resh statues

[plush timber]

through the eyes of a child song is set there iirc

its also where once you turn on the light and the gate opens there'll be like 3 krills roaming

[muted salmon]

makes me wonder now how they activate the gate entrance

[river veldt]

Gate switch, like we players do

[muted salmon]

thing's not glowing yet the gate is open though, so probably opened from the inside?

also, I never realized the entire staircase is a pyramid, with the top steps turned to make a diamond o.o

[autumn forum]

For now they still have light/power

[ionic isle]

Oh my god, the parallels…insane..

[plush timber]

for now they have light to open the gate after yk they dont

[ionic isle]

This hurts.

[tidal loom]

im so excitef to watch ep2

[autumn forum]

It was a very lore episode 😆
We see they collect all the littles lights, before the world can heal himself, maybe why all this darkness

We see the making of an candle

And the beginning of the battle, and the castle losing is power again and maybe for good

[muted salmon]

every time the castle loses power, Resh raises up his arms and an increasingly futile attempt to draw in aura light is made

[plush timber]

next ep is gonna be baad like storm's coming

[muted salmon]

...oh, that explains old man recluse toppling a collector down: a poor attempt to release light

[ancient canopy]

the soldiers: oh goodness here we go again, not another blackout

[plush timber]

plus when light faded a lot of focus were on manatee/birds light nothing bad would happen to them

[muted salmon]

we have deadfish

[ancient canopy]

Also did you love the little moments like the oldies playing checkers and one of them cheated when the other was distracted, and the merchant playing with the toy a lil

[plush timber]

ahah that was funny

[ancient canopy]

Ikr I love that one 😭😂

[muted salmon]

there was a doubletake for a split sec too

[ancient canopy]

TRUE HAHAHAHA I died at this 😂😂

[ionic isle]

The life being breathed into this world cannot go unnoticed.

[valid dagger]

I swear, this is the happiest chapter ever. Well, that's what you call "a calm before storm" i guess

[ancient canopy]

I'm not ready for 3,,,

[plush timber]

its not going to be a coincidence krill iap is going to drop next ep aka when krill supposedly appears

[plush timber]

we need to get SO many tissues

[muted salmon]

I guess the river of angst is chapter 3

[drowsy flare]

'And then the Krill nation attacked'

[autumn forum]

Clearly because they have light inside, they will be eat by the krill 👀😆

[plush timber]

artists are gonna rise up after that ep throwing angst

[ionic isle]

It is going to be so brutal, I fear.

[muted salmon]

wait no it cant be chapter 3 where krills attack, where's the martial law sequence

[drowsy flare]

I find it curious as to how long this has been going on for. The gathering of light to power the blue crystal/darkness repellers. The cracks in the piping and the fact the kingdom sounded the horns as they dimmed kinda shows that this has happened for awhile.

[muted salmon]

probably long enough that the refugee zone is called the Last City

[autumn forum]

Nice shot

[plush timber]

next ep is prob be abt shattering and i need to mentally prepare

[ionic isle]

I think what would be the most insane thing to happen is if there were a single spoken line.

[muted salmon]

can I just say I love the entire timeskip section of the quest since it explains the shepherd just not minding about this child with a cured manatee

[ancient canopy]

Guess they accepted that the manatee is adopted

[autumn forum]

Maybe we will have an answer for the part 2 ! We will follow the dawn kid, so more in the past!
I'm sure with a really more respect for the creature and light in this time

[drowsy flare]

They likely don't know about the cure I think. So seeing a big healthy manatee probably doesn't link it to the previous sick one that was stolen. (Even if it does have a prosthetic now)

[ancient canopy]

Guess the shepherd just had a memory issue

[plush timber]

people in that city fr dont mind that

[muted salmon]

or maybe the reason it has a prosthetic at the same spot where it was because he's in the know and let Stewie?

[drowsy flare]

He's got a flock/herd/pod of flying marshmellows to tend to. Busy man.

[ancient canopy]

True....flying marshmallows 😭

[plush timber]

ig so otherwise they would look for it

[muted salmon]

true animal caretakers know if their animal is taken care of I guess?

[autumn forum]

I'm sure he don't really care because he was a sick manatee and he was gonna take the job done anyway 😆

[muted salmon]

at least its not bird in a jar

[drowsy flare]

I wonder if we are going to see giant warriors like Waste Elder. The weapons in the battlefield are massive, so there had to be a few of them

[muted salmon]

maybe ancestors in darkstone-powered iron man suits (joke)

[drowsy flare]

Maybe he's just a flock of chibis in a big costume.

[muted salmon]

Wasteland Elder is just a flock of chibis in a Kingpin formation

[drowsy flare]

Sounds like a fun time (Clock of chibis)

[muted salmon]

that's just 12 chibis in a circle

though.. now that I think about it, where are the other Elders? you'd have thought you've seen the Wasteland Elder at least... we have signs of Valley ancestors within the Last City too

[drowsy flare]

A big guy like Wastland Elder might not be one to walk around a cramped shanty town. He's likely stationed somewhere. As to the others, it's hard to say.

Maybe they all live elsewhere, or somewhere higher up in the city due to status?

[plush timber]

mh, they prob are somewhere in the city like located in a place or smth considering the shattering's last memory

[pallid jetty]

i like to think that while the situation in the city is dire, its still considered relatively safe (as long as the towers are working anyways) and largely defensive soldiers are deployed there
the more advanced and powerful troops such as the ones with the wasteland elder are in other parts of wasteland combating biggers threats or defending key locations such as the light generators, the light is still coming from somewhere and most of it probably isn't from the city

[plush timber]

wait i just remember, if cyan is valley's color (?) does that mean that and gw were at war against eo

idrk i'm looking mostly at aurora's song

[pastel brook]

this is why we live like heathens, stealing from the trees of Eye of Eden

[cloud siren]

asking here bc i dont want to spoil anyone - but what's supposed to happen when i deep call the butterflies in the recluse's quest? they keep just lifting me up and then dumping me back on the floor. if i'm supposed to get onto the roof i can't

[ancient canopy]

I think it's just a lil bonus thing

[cloud siren]

ah okay i get it now, thank you

i somehow missed the prompts on the plants and couldnt figure out what the heck to do

[versed mirage]

I weirdly like the lack of star prompts everywhere for this.

[cloud siren]

oh i know there was no star prompts, i just didnt get close enough to the plants for the action prompt to show up i suppose

[versed mirage]

Yea, I kinda like just… sorta figuring out how to do the thing I’m supposed to do

[cloud siren]

the game does act like something should happen when you call the butterflies which confused me more, ha

[ancient canopy]

I was confused for a minute like where I would get the seeds until I climbed up the bench xd

[versed mirage]

So far, the handholdiness of this season has been pretty okay. Not too handholdy

[ancient canopy]

I guess
tbh I can see the potential of players getting lost bc it wasn't very clear where exactly you get the seeds from

[versed mirage]

But that’s the fun of it. Just putting two and two together

[cloud siren]

it can be hard to find a balance between leading players and letting them figure it out themselves

[versed mirage]

Yes, but when told what to do and exactly how, I gotta ask why I’m even there…

[ancient canopy]

It would work better if once you enter the area, there are vines right next to the pipe exit, a prompt should show up immediately letting you know you have to get the seeds from there

[versed mirage]

This is a good way, let people naturally see the prompt, then get that “aha” moment.

[ancient canopy]

Or a cutscene shot focusing on one of those sparkly vines

[cloud siren]

it would be nice if they made the vine prompts slightly harder to miss yeah, that would be a good compromise without using stars to remove the "puzzle" entirely

[ancient canopy]

Yee cuz there are two vines just right next to the pipe, should be the first thing highlighted

[wintry matrix]

it will help you reach seeds on the plants up there during quest

[ancient canopy]

The first one that I got the seeds from was actually one at the far back bc I was lost lol

[versed mirage]

Still leagues better than “oh call and now literally every intractable you need to touch is visible” rather if they have to, make it POIs instead of direct locations.

Also where does fake water fit into the lore of Sky?

[ancient canopy]

What

[cloud siren]

is that aviary? what the heck

[versed mirage]

Yea, water is fake… it’s not real.

[ancient canopy]

Nah its just an oob thing. No big deal

[cloud siren]

maybe thats how the golden wasteland became a wasteland. all their water was fake

[versed mirage]

Good lore reason

[muted salmon]

fake water was said to be what the ice rink had

[neon quartz]

Something that confuses me is what is the timeline like between the season quests and the movie- they're so intertwined with each other

[versed mirage]

That’s correct. Before abyss and aka diving, it was fake water

It was used because otherwise they couldn’t have their cool going underwater ice rink thing, granted we kinda lost the whole reflective aspect on the inside due to it

[distant pebble]

i think in game fish had names, like butterfly fish and knife fish but i don't remember which is which

[wintry matrix]

This has nothing to do with lore as it is just game background and you are not supposed to be there normally at first place.

[distant pebble]

it's closer to 9

[distant pebble]

it kinda looked to me at first that Stew just abandoned the other fish there like "alr have some light, screw the other one!"

[wintry matrix]

maybe they cant afford waste more + the fish can heal from each other light ig

[wintry matrix]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[distant pebble]

yeah but you can see that one fish was slightly moving while the other one was not so i assumed it's dead

like the two embers like one is helped to be alive and the other one is dead get it

Fesh

[woeful prism]

the kid is collecting wax to forge a candle, and skids farm for wax to forge candles, the kid needs a token to exchange for items and skids need to earn money to buy IAPs

[dawn lintel]

Ok so question, (tag me in the response if you don't mind) anyone know what the bats help by Samekh are? I wanna say cricket but the handles seem too long. So then I'd say paddles, but there aren't any boats. Please this is really annoying me. I thought this chat would know `_('-' )_/'

[distant pebble]

fireball

[round salmon]

The tools they use are for sports, however the real life counterpart is unknown.

[wintry matrix]

lacrosse bat!

[round salmon]

Where was it confirmed that?

[upper mortar]

Oh my god, our age old question has been answered. All these times we've been asking what are the Spirits doing to our candles whenever we trade...

Based on Two Embers chapter 2, they just use them as a house decoration 💀

[distant pebble]

atp they're building houses with them

[upper mortar]

These spirits are filling their houses with candles. I thought they were eating candles or something

[sharp shore]

Idk it just looks like a lacrosse bat ig lmao

(Good morning chat)

[round salmon]

It def looks like a lacrosse bat and that's what I assumed they were referencing however I have not seen a dev state it as confirmed. They were stated to be used for sports that I know.

[distant pebble]

tbh the candles do turn onto light as we give them away so they could still eat these

[upper mortar]

I just know Aurora Guide is hoarding loads of candles because of that ridiculously overpriced Outfit of hers

[dawn lintel]

Don't lacrosse bats have a net on them though? That's what I don't get.

[wintry matrix]

outside of cricket bat (which i doubt it is cuz its shorter), it looks a bit like first lacrosse bats

[lament turret]

you think classism was a thing and it was based on how many candles someone had stashed in their house?

[wintry matrix]

especially this middle one

[sharp shore]

The people of this kingdom probably use candles based on how much wax (aka light motes) are available

Which is very scarce

But as decoration it might give comfort since all it does it wash over illness without doing anything to get rid of it (weak)

Probably…

[round salmon]

I asked where it was confirmed, not what it looked like.

[upper mortar]

Yes. The more candles you are hoarding, the richer you are

[dawn lintel]

I still don't see it sorry. There isn't the net, it's just flat. I get where you're coming from I just don't see it

[lament turret]

Some of those ancestors were def hoarding some candles for sure

[wintry matrix]

nowhere, pure observation, however it was said to resemble bats from ancient sport and lacrosse comes from 12th century

[round salmon]

<_<

[upper mortar]

Just imagine visiting their basement and it's filled to the brim with candles.

Sassy Drifter would definitely be the richest of them all because of how often she comes as a TS

[lament turret]

I think the trial spirit was hoarding candles. Idk why but they seem like they would.

[wintry matrix]

another possibility is hurling (do not mistake it with curling)
but same as cricket bat, it is way shorter

[lament turret]

bro likes to watch us suffer through trials, theyd do something like that

[upper mortar]

Yeah I feel like those guys would be a massive troll in Spirit Community.

[lament turret]

"where my candles goin"
the trials spirit with a conveniantly candle shaped throat: *swallows hard "I dunno"

[wintry matrix]

cricket bat looks like this but they are under meter long

[sharp shore]

Man i keep thinking about what the vault elder and tiny alef’s interactions would have been like

[dawn lintel]

Right shape but yeah they're too short

[wintry matrix]

@round salmon

[round salmon]

Don't ping me pls

[distant pebble]

bean?

[wintry matrix]

sorry, thought you were okay with it based on what you said yesterday

[lament turret]

Alef in tiny baby voice: "Dah dee?"
Vault elder: "...DO I LOOK LIKE-"

[vestal flax]

[dawn lintel]

The handle is the right length actually, but the actual bat part is too long

[distant pebble]

ok now revrite it

[wintry matrix]

because it included other word for dad

[round salmon]

I was fine with it because I asked for nest tours the other day. I'm fine with pings when it comes to replies but I 'd rather not be full on @ for discussions. Anyway, you guys have fun loreing.

[lament turret]

there

[neon quartz]

Thanks!

[lament turret]

:( why does the internet always ruin nice things

[distant pebble]

humanity as a whole

[lament turret]

and thats why we have a game about environmentalism and trying to remind humans to NOT ruin nice things

[wintry matrix]

@narrow marsh does the artbook mention anywhere what sport are valley elders bats based on other than that they are based on ancient sport?

[dawn lintel]

Thanks for helping btw 😄

[wintry matrix]

because this is family friendly server and that word is often used in not family friendly enviroment

[lament turret]

ong just thought they were playing advanced hocky or something

[tulip pier]

Spoiler question ahead:

why did the reactor went out and why were people this time scared? It happenend already in the first chapter?

[distant pebble]

fireball because they yeet a fireball

[wintry matrix]

i would like to help ore but unfortunately i dont own the art book because im from europe

[lament turret]

i just wanna make funny vine reference that featured a cute smol child :(

[distant pebble]

rewrite changing a few words

[dawn lintel]

Nah it's fine, I might look into this more

[lament turret]

i did 😔

[wintry matrix]

that diamond is only source of light in last city (as we cant see the sun anywhere), once it goes blackout, it becomes dark very fast and with darkness come krill
it is likely going blackout every often because of power outages and resh (the king) pumping way too much juice into it which is likely also reason hy shattering happened

[tulip pier]

Thank youuu
And shattering describes like the process of darkness taking over?
Or what was it again

[lament turret]

still makes me wonder what exactly are krill. They don't seem to be properly living things, as they make mostly mechanical sounding noises like theyre artificially created.

[wintry matrix]

hi Izashiki

[sharp shore]

Maybe in part 2 theyll show his interactions with them if hes speculated to be the second ember

I have a feeling that due to proximity and just a hunch that she loved that kid so much

[wintry matrix]

based on the concept (and live game) murals, they were created by accident in treasure reef when ancestors experimented on light creatures, i have document talking about that with pictures too if you wanna take a look

[distant pebble]

Resh and his dead parental figures that he is more dead than

[tulip pier]

Where?

[distant pebble]

underwater

[lament turret]

Sure thing

[wintry matrix]

chapter called couple of years before the shattering https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KYP1CBpjMFgEueJlBwNPAKxASt5bAS8qfGoCp5j3B6g/edit?usp=sharing

[lament turret]

In a galaxy far far away...