lore-discussion-spoilers

[round salmon]

It's so massive Can not image lugging these around in a sack

[upper mortar]

I could imagine that the coin is worth like at least a thousand bucks. And we just used it to buy a tea 💀

[marble horizon]

"Oh hey, that's a cool serving plate" "what do you mean??? This is a penny"

[grave laurel]

Also! There is no soul cycle beam above Eden

[upper mortar]

That's probably because there's no soul cycle yet?

[round salmon]

Pretty much a penny, wonder how they got copper from.

[upper mortar]

Definitely from the Forest. A lot of Miner spirits originated there.

[slow portal]

i am personally of the belief it's only that large as a game mechanic so we can see our skykid holding the thing
it's probably regular coin sized

[upper mortar]

Oh so we're the issue

The coin is normal sized, we're just too small

[round salmon]

You do have a point it does appear somewhat smaller when not held.

[slow portal]

still can't imagine carrying a lot of currency that big and made out of metal though so maybe that one coin is worth a lot
this tea better be premium made with herbs imported from a distant region or whatever

[grave laurel]

There’s always been a soul cycle, I’m thinking resh cut it off and that’s why darkness is really starting to spread

[muted salmon]

I would make another joke about aurafarming but one joke is enough

[wintry matrix]

Not really valid argument because this pinned message exists. #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[wintry matrix]

Soul cycle existed way before eden was built.

[wintry matrix]

Its propably being redirected to the diamond instead of megabird.

[marble horizon]

Soul cycle, yes, but it was more of a natural rebirth cycle. What I'm going off of is "what if the ancients were forcing the light release and then not allowing it to return to megabird"

[marble horizon]

This one, yeah. Not enough of the light was returning to megabird to stop the darkness from approaching

[wintry matrix]

Thats the same thing.

[marble horizon]

Not exactly, the light cycle was "creature goes to eden, light is released, returns to mb, and then returns to land as new life", but this is "creature is harvested away from eden, their light is captured, and used for mechanisms rather than returning to the light cycle."

[wintry matrix]

You propably dont understand.
Each light creature exists for some time, born from megabird/the light. After end of their life comes close, they return to the light, they become one with it. After some time, the light produces a new creature, either same or in evolved and more complex form (butterfly to bird, bird to manta as seen in concept art). Light is shared thing among all light creatures, including skids and elders, it is one big hot pot.

If you kill a light creature and harvest its light, it can never come back to the light. Only unnatural death leaves bones (also explained in concept art).

Eden is build on sacred mountain that was used by light creatures to be reborn.

What Resh likely does is to stop any light from ascending and becoming one with Megabird and this hot pot of “melted” light creatures is fed to the giant darkstone instead, through those huge pipes. We can see embers of light rapidly flying through it in one of trailers and also the light is seeping through the cracked pipes in part 1 trailer (you can see it in background when stewie is climbing the big pipes).

[marble horizon]

I think we are both saying the same thing lol. I think the latter part of your message is what's currently happening, I don't consider the "harvesting" to be the same as the "cycle" if that makes sense

[slow portal]

and there's nothing stopping people from wanting to be considerate and keeping spoilers away from the public regardless of that announcement

[wintry matrix]

Yours was poorly worded then because I understood it whole differently.

[marble horizon]

I'm not entirely sure how I could have worded it better, considering I just used essentially a short form of what you said, but.. Alright 😅

[wintry matrix]

It is still not valid argument to be brought. You can be considerate in general chat too by using spoiler tags. Season chat has been doing that for a long time and rarely anyone went to chat here in lorechat.

[copper saffron]

hello lorechat I used to be a regular here what have I missed

[late venture]

I loved that episode so much that I can't lore yet

[slow portal]

embers

[wintry matrix]

Flood of spam

[copper saffron]

I love two embers sm

[fresh frigate]

Me too

The Resh appearance had me giggling and kicking my feet

It’s genuinely so cool that we’re finally seeing more lore regarding Eden and Resh

[cobalt palm]

OK looks like my prediction is accurate for episode 1
The call to action may actually be the manta and sickness

[slow portal]

oh wait thing i've been meaning to throw in here
someone else somewhere pointed out that majority of the roaming npcs have the same mask i wonder what yall have to say about that

[cobalt palm]

I'm hoping we see more about the pipes, especially where they come from, as even from the trailers, having them as transporting motes of light, seemingly to Eden, they are so prominent in wasteland

[fresh frigate]

Idk I thought one of the NPCS was dead earlier because of the way they were lying on the ground

[cobalt palm]

Is it the similar mask to the Rhythm guide?

Could be that the Rhythm troupe originated from Wasteland, similar to our theories that the Duets spirits did too

[wintry matrix]

It was here in lorechat before the flood and we pretty much agreed it is status symbol, aka that they belong to wasteland.

[slow portal]

yea makes sense

[wintry matrix]

Owl twins are from valley, iirc it is even directly said somewhere

[slow portal]

what's interesting is that the common mask is the one from scolding student which i guess could also imply they're a wastelander

[wintry matrix]

(Valley and wasteland used to be one realm but they did originate from THE valley part)

[cobalt palm]

Ah probably in the Performance season blog or patch notes

[trim belfry]

Have y'all noticed...shard guide (or diamond? ) is spinning and spreading light parts...is it interacting with this season

[fresh frigate]

Rhythm in light awaits I think was called the winter season if I recall correctly

[trim belfry]

Wait I'll take a video

[slow portal]

does it not do that normally

[distant pebble]

it's actually below 15 minutes
it's ≈ 12-13

[cobalt palm]

Scolding student makes sense to come from wasteland just from the krilly attitude

[trim belfry]

It does?
Idk I felt something different it might just be me tho

[slow portal]

ok yeah it was a lot more subtle back then i suppose

[cobalt palm]

Mini storm

[trim belfry]

I mean wouldn't it boom boom soon in animation? Who knows maybe this one will do that too for us

[distant pebble]

a shard falls into cinema

[slow portal]

wowie our two embers screening just became 4D

[trim belfry]

What if all realms turned to mini eden because of another explosion

[cobalt palm]

Absolute cinema if there was a red shard event flying out of the screen into the cinema beach

[wintry matrix]

As if the one hitting concert hallwas not enough

[cobalt palm]

Consider it a "reconstruction"

[late venture]

Who are those last three people genually confused

[distant pebble]

we'd repair that during tte p2

[distant pebble]

Just random spirits
the og concept has them with occupations

[wintry matrix]

Those all come from concept art

[late venture]

Yes I know, but I asked if anyone had perhaps theories

[wintry matrix]

Unused spirits from concept art. There was whole text about those three being unused in wireframe gallery.

[wintry matrix]

The bearded guy was supposed to be like lawyer or something simmilar

[late venture]

As an owner of the artbook I should really go read it again

[lofty rover]

Lore chat is popping after AGES

[heady burrow]

as an owner of the artbook i should really go read it in general tbh. all i've done for the past year is lend it out to people. have barely had it on my own bookshelf for a consecutive week

[late venture]

Lend it ?? It's so precious that I keep it in the box always

[heady burrow]

i have lots of artist friends who like sky's artstyle. they're really careful with it so it's okay!

[late venture]

I wish I had friends that play sky too

[heady burrow]

"wait, wait please, it's free, it's free, please hear me out PLEASE" -common phrase in the vocabulary of any sky player

[late venture]

I don't understand, the artbook is expensive

[heady burrow]

i mean the game

[late venture]

Aaaah I get it now, yea

[heady burrow]

man i should really refresh my sky lore, haven't really done so since 2021

[wintry matrix]

Friendly reminder that lot of stuff was discussed into deep here before yall arrived, search tab is your friend

[late venture]

How? The episode released few hours ago and I didn't see that much of discussion since this morning (if you talk about the animation)

[wintry matrix]

Couple of stuff discussed here was to some degree discussed before (yes even the money)

[late venture]

The token? I saw that

[wintry matrix]

We do have alphabet posted here.

[late venture]

Omg so much lore

[coarse dragon]

where

[wintry matrix]

Search bar is your friend

[round salmon]

Made by eeden_cafee on twitter
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[coarse dragon]

thank you

[round salmon]

I'm planning a short comic and I need some help if any loreheads are down. So Flight Guide is the apprentice of the Prairie Elder right, well I need to come up with a way of showcasing that, does anyone have ideas or way I could go about that? Thank you in advance.

[wintry matrix]

It was only mentioned once in flight guide introduction, there is no other info really. Both care deeply about light creatures and thats pretty much it.

We do have slightly more info about teth - nesting guide interactions than that.

[round salmon]

I know it was mentioned there, found out about it a week ago thankfully and was happily surprised. Also funny you mention nesting guide, they will also be in the comic.

[wintry matrix]

Yeah nesting guide was student of teth, one of nesting… spirits… has photo of them and same photo is on the wall in nesting workshop #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[round salmon]

Luca I mean this in the nicest way possible but I know these things I wouldn't have brought them up if I didn't /nm
I just need some ideas to bounce around with.

[plush cave]

Just want to chime in and say that while it can be helpful to look up certain keywords if you’re wondering about specific lore topics, that it is absolutely okay to continue past conversations, start new conversations about the same topics, ask the same questions, and send in your own insight about these topics that took place in the past.

This channel has seen 6 whole years worth of discussions . You’ll find tons of information, but everyone is welcome to share anything lore related here.

We can’t expect anyone to be familiar with the 6 year history of this channel, and restarting old conversations might just bring new perspectives to the lore as we now see it.

[wintry matrix]

If you have same questions asked here every week, sometimes even twice a week, you simply learn to redirect people to old messages. There exists couple of copypasta links masterposts in this chat for this very same reason

[tulip pier]

So apparantly
The eden elder is a menace to sky society?

[noble ferry]

Basically tbh

[muted salmon]

I have this message which feels relevant rn: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[tulip pier]

Wasnt thwre some theory about the gw elder fighting and defesting the eden elder

[noble ferry]

There was at one point because of a glitched mural in sanctuary!
Obviously it’s not true since the mural is long fixed
I’ll find a pic on the wiki holdon

[valid dagger]

Still unsure about it. While some of his actions is really beyond comprehension, the concept art said that throughout his sacrifice is the one that brought the new generation (skykids) to be born. So, we still can't judge him tbh

[plush cave]

You can redirect people, that’s completely fine as long as there still remains room for conversations about those things. Even if it’s about more widely known topics - that’s pretty much the point I tried to convey

[tulip pier]

Im curious why we dont have an eden elder

[tulip pier]

Woahh Okay maybe some fire force type mentality. Destroying old to get new

[muted salmon]

I think the Eden Elder/Ruler/Resh had an Anakin Skywalker situation
good then evil (due to greed, not actually evil) then good

[slow portal]

we shall wait and see if this is ever revealed in part 2 of the two embers

[noble ferry]

HERE IT IS
it’s removed tho, replaced by jellyfish
i doubt it’s canon anyway

[tulip pier]

Can someone send the intro text that was in the movie? I kinda missed it.
Where they talk about darkness and light

I have the feeling that it tells more than we think

[wintry matrix]

The point you tried to convey missed the point after start of first sentence tbh. Rest of it sounded a bit opposite.

People tend to ask lot of same questions every often here and us lore seniors are kinda tired having to explain it from basics every time, thats why we rely on those copypastas and tell people to do research from past messages posted here.

Theres also ton of new messages since season release and it is very hard to keep track with loremoths to answer all thequestions and clearing up misinformation. Thats why I pointed out lot of stuffws discussed here in detail in the past. Not all of it is pinned so use of search bar is necessary.

[plush cave]

I don’t believe it ‘missed the point’, but different opinions can exist and that is fine.

I’ll emphasise that you can redirect other members to past conversations, but that does not mean members aren’t allowed to continue these conversations, to ask questions, to be curious, to provide their own insight and to start a whole new conversation.

To reiterate on what Sagomay already explained, letting people wonder and ponder and think about things that are new to them but old to us is part of the Sky experience. And this channel should, and will allow for them to have that space.

There is absolutely no obligation to answer many, or any questions from other members if you don’t really feel like doing so. In a server of over half a million members, I’m sure someone else will be able to.

[cobalt palm]

I've found where the pipes lead to

[plush cave]

Let people experience Sky and wonder and think about all the new lore related things they are experiencing. We all have to start somewhere.

[tulip pier]

Do you think they kinda “get rid“ of the infected people since the one guy in the intro walked into some kind of light who was infected

[plush timber]

didn't they get rejected from entering or smth i swear i didn't understand that part

[noble ferry]

Cant really draw conclusions on what they do with the infected ancestors yet.
Maybe they’re either treated or experimented??? I have no idea

[wintry matrix]

Im not gatekeeping anyone please stop misinterpreting my messages. I simply pointed out that lot of stuff can be searched here without waiting for answers.

[tulip pier]

I think its no treating because the wax thing how the girl treated the little animal was kinda a discovery. I personally think they being „cleared“

[plush timber]

i might haven't seen it clearly but in the city only manatees were infected idrk

[tulip pier]

Also what was the device? That lit the candle

The Person in the beginning was infected too

[plush timber]

if was 9 am for me ofc i missed stuff

[round salmon]

The toymaker is also infected along with several citizens throughout the film.

[noble ferry]

I believe they’re pipes carrying light into Eden
As for why? Maybe powering the Eden Diamond?

[plush timber]

wait they were?? dang

[tulip pier]

I guess its a power system that keep the darkness away since it was shown that there is permanent darkenss

Also i think the eden elder will kinda manipulate or destroy this power system and thus creating chaos by getting Krills and disease involved.

I also think the infection is due to the power system having leaks

[noble ferry]

I think it’s more so that the Eden Diamond getting activated is CAUSING the darkness

Maybe the light is getting warped into darkness??

[round salmon]

Not a good screenshot but yeah

[plush timber]

wait, that's why they were in so far away from the main street

[round salmon]

??

[plush timber]

i was talking abt the toymaker

[round salmon]

Wdym main street though?

[tulip pier]

Could be this or refunctioning it to attract darkness
By eden elder

[plush timber]

street where most characters were walking

[noble ferry]

It is a mysteryyyyy ✨ ✨ ✨ ✨

[plush timber]

again i have to see the ep again to notice stuff more clearly

[tulip pier]

Also since the big Animal 100% got „cleared“ and the girl realized that the small one will too she saved him.
Thats why i think also the people are being cleared

[lofty rover]

The castle / factory waste is making them slum dwellers grow diamonds and atm it seems (the other) Resh is ignoring them.
And either they are being experimented on because if there were a cure - why did the protag lose their parent?

[round salmon]

Toymaker was infected
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[lofty rover]

Yes. They were. But either the cure is not present prior to the candle ceremony discovery- or it's reserved for the upper class

[plush timber]

by candle cerimony you mean mc lighting the candle after going underground (?)

[noble ferry]

I dont think the diamonds are being grown on people?????
It does require darkstone + light to create diamonds it seems

[lofty rover]

No- I meant the infection. It does kinda look a bit like diamonds or crystals

[noble ferry]

Oh righr
Hmmm it does remind me of darkstone

[tulip pier]

The eden elder trying to destroy the corrupt who gatekeep the medicine could be actually true

[lofty rover]

So from my 2021 lore chat brain, iirc Resh loved diamonds and wasteland was a place where some shady things with diamonds was happening-
The original land has now been replaced with diamond factory (?)
And all the by products are why people are getting sick

[tulip pier]

So eden elder could basically be an oposer of king resh
With way to harsh methods

[lofty rover]

Mc stumbles upon the old land where embers galore and rediscovers candles- or light

If I remember back in the day when we had the initial trailer, we saw a land rich with embers and glowing mushrooms and toads and what not. Mc seemed to be riding a big manatee(?) and seemed in much better shape than

And light is the solution to the darkness which is the common theme of the game.
I feel there will be a realisation that they have strayed too far from light and now their ways threaten their lives themselves.
And they would have to restart

[round salmon]

These right? They're from the official steam trailer and the two embers teaser years ago.

[noble ferry]

Eden elder is Resh

[lofty rover]

Yes

[valid dagger]

Yes, they are the one and the same person

[lofty rover]

It is the last village, meaning they have no where else left to go.
Which makes me wonder whatever happened to all the other realms in this timeline.
When we as Sky kids discover realms, we come across the aftermath of whatever happened in wasteland assuming it takes place after whatever happens in this movie.
So why couldn't they go to the other realms?
I suspect they ran out of crystals.
As we see all their technology revolves around the stones and they can't fly like sky kids.
They ran out of stones and thus the last place left is the stone factory and the huge castle of crystals where Resh lives.
Light creatures are far and few and are "farmed"

[muted salmon]

it's only been lately we've been able to "restore" some of the tech after everyone's gone, but I do remember that we started with not much active darkstone still interactible

[lofty rover]

True. And sky kids can fly. So we fill the gap with flying.

[round salmon]

bumping!

[muted salmon]

did some walking around the seasonal area and found some things of note
image 1: it's the darkstone tower that turns off at the trailer!
image 2: the recluse has hidden the way towards the area where stewie goes to
video 1: there's an entire alleyway on the greater area
image 3: they're using a leaking darkwater pipe for laundry..?

[round salmon]

Okay that's odd the water in your picture is a lot darker when I saw it

[muted salmon]

no you just camera up and zoom out

[round salmon]

Alright

[noble ferry]

If you closely at the lanterns, they have little diamond in them!

[muted salmon]

it's probably not actual tainted darkwater since there's a bowl nearby

anyway, NPCs time!

1. they react to some of your emojis, and we already have skykids speedrunning getting locked up as well
2. Duets clothing seems to be an actual normal Golden Wasteland clothing besides the brown-colored default Ancestor colors

[noble ferry]

also mmmmmmmm polluted water
Yeah that’s not good D:
Might contribute to the spread of the sickness

Maybe the polluted water is run-off from diamond manufacturing

[round salmon]

If you do the "boo" expression, adult ancestors will respond negatively while children will respond happily/mischieviously towards it. If you do it to a guard it will "warn you" but if you do it again it will put you in jail lol.

[noble ferry]

I love how you can just get JAILED for your evil chibi crimes like honking at others like the goose from untitled goose game

[muted salmon]

boo'd two adults and they reacted differently

[round salmon]

Legit wonder fi the eventual areas with guards will have other jail spots since the season area is set into two zones (the marketplace and the town).

[muted salmon]

wait no the first one is the stomp animation (weird mask movement though)

[muted salmon]

okay, so after going to present-day GW, most of the town and marketplace is... really deep under sand and polluted waters

[midnight sonnet]

Yeah it hardly exists anymore

[muted salmon]

at most you get the toppled columns of the gate and the right wall pipes now at floor level

[gusty canyon]

Could this be the interior of the hospital?

[midnight sonnet]

What is that

[round salmon]

Where did you even get that from?

[muted salmon]

looks like someone's depiction of the building based on reconstruction...

or cut content or beta content

[round salmon]

If it's beta content it shouldn't be shown :v

[noble ferry]

has someone tried to somehow oob into that place yet?

[round salmon]

People have OOB up to eden in the season area #seasons-events-chat message

[gusty canyon]

It’s an oob in the underground area for the second quest. It’s in live.

[round salmon]

That's wild!

[gusty canyon]

Above the building there’s a stone resembling the one in Peaks. I’m sure it’s just a placeholder though.

[muted salmon]

one tall hospital, i will say

[distant pebble]

boo the same adult several times they'll react differently

[muted salmon]

somehow I feel more incentivized to annoy an adult via going through my entire emote list

[native sinew]

Just finished doing this. They seem to only like it when you thank them,bow at them and do the grateful emote that I forgot the name of. The guards like being saluted and bowed to as well

[sacred crane]

Guys I don't know what's wrong
I keep trying to buy something from the anniversary staff but the candles keep returning
I can't buy anything from her

[round salmon]

Please seek help in #questions-and-help for your issue.

[wintry matrix]

second quest is not available yet to my knowledge

[gusty canyon]

You can chibi fall into the area though.

[wintry matrix]

saying it is live is a lie

[muted salmon]

wait do both saluting types work?

[native sinew]

I believe so I honestly can't say for bc I kept spamming both 😭 but i believe the 'quick one' is the one that works

[rapid latch]

Got some new theories after watching 2 Embers premiere:
-The HC name I have for the disease gripping the Last City is Crystalblight
-Crystalblight is caused by toxic chemicals being released by industrial activities in the city, which are transmitted to humans and creatures of light. It is similar to cancer, and manifests in crystalline tumours forming on the skin. Dark creatures, however, are immune to the disease.
-Crystalblight, however, can be cured by exposure to bright, radiant light and heat.

[zinc sandal]

may have calculated how much 1 token (ancient currency used in past golden wasteland) would be worth in candles

1 AC is 3 candles (1 ticket costs either 2AC or 6 candles)
a table with a kettle, 2 cups and a tablecloth is 28 ac (84 candles)
a similar table albeit a bit larger is 45 candles
so we're left with around 39 candles
the towel is 10 candles, which seems to be aroooound the size of the one on the table
so subtract another 10 and we're left with 29 candles
one could argue the table is too large and has shelves so

the shelf is 10 candles and is around the size of the entire table albeit a bit smaller and obviously it does not have legs, so we could assume it would take 2 shelves to make this table (1 would be cut up into the legs and to fill out the rest of the surface)
so, 20 candles + towel for 10 so 30 candles
so we're left with around 54 for the entire teaset

and the teaset during the quests costed 1 token
so, best case scenario
1 token = 29 candles
worst case scenario
1 token = 54 candles

in either case, daum inflated much???
hopefully someone smarter than me tackles this topic, i tried my best, enjoy ya'll!! the number is a rough estimate
i'm insane

[round salmon]

OMG WHAT

[valid dagger]

Wrong channel, maybe?

[zinc sandal]

not really, tokens were used as currency in past golden wasteland by the ancients, this is just me theorising on how much 1 token would be worth in candles nowadays
like how much you could buy with a token

so i don't think it's the wrong channel? i mean it's about lore and the two embers and the past kingdom and stuff

[round salmon]

They're lore-mathing so they're good

IM SO HAPPY U DID THAT THO it put a big smile on my face just now ill fully read it in a few minutes

[zinc sandal]

YOU'RE WELCOME!! :DD

[zinc sandal]

there we go, here's the token i'm talking about!! it's ancient currency

[midnight sonnet]

No wonder everything is so expensive

[round salmon]

and the teaset during the quests costed 1 token
so, best case scenario
1 token = 29 candles
worst case scenario
1 token = 54 candles

Good lord 💀 Also you doing this reminds me of how people would guess the height of video game characters by using the height of the structures around them, mad kudos.

[valid dagger]

Ohh, i thought you were talking about the tickets. My bad

[zinc sandal]

yeah...

[midnight sonnet]

Late stage capitalism

[zinc sandal]

it's fine, don't worry!!

[zinc sandal]

thanks i immediately knew what must be done after finding out what currency the ancients used, wish i could get an exact number tho, oh well, at least i've got something!!! maybe in the future we'll get an exact number, oh one could wish...

[round salmon]

God mood I saw those giant coins and the coin collector in me went nuts haha

[loud bane]

we skykids are broke:(

[autumn forum]

@vernal rapids I think this is the first "city" or "village"

[vernal rapids]

Perhaps. That's going to be interesting to revisit for sure

[autumn forum]

My idea is this map will be the map for the Part 2 🤔

But we already have another version of this place with a season, so i dont know lol

[hexed hound]

i'm probably going to use the searchbar for the remaining season until we get more really interesting scenes if there's anyone new to the lore please search a lore topic you're most interested in and sort as old. it's very interesting and kinda saves some people's time and energy answering questions

[vernal rapids]

I think we'll only get the areas featured in the Chapters for Part 1, so in regards to the Isle of Dawn, I think that will be Part 2.

[cobalt palm]

Comparison images between Eden in the new seasonal area, and one in Dawn.

I was expecting the top part being severed with floating rocks to be more "complete" at that point, but maybe it did always look like that, and it's the mountain wrapped in storm that is the major change.

[autumn forum]

The past is not dawn, maybe thats why! Its Dust Era

[spiral vault]

TIME TO BACKREAD

[normal slate]

THE LORE IS AMAZING

[spiral vault]

I think we "play" as Hopeful Steward in the quests. The first quest of the season was backstory

[normal slate]

I just know the playful steward is an important character in the lore

[ashen fractal]

So Dawn and Dusk ember could also refer to the time period we see in the films/when we play in the game Seasons as well?? (this is so much fun, am trying to wrap my head around it)

[strange siren]

Lore Thoughts 1
We open in a "shanty town" outside of the city walls. It has a significant number of guards. The presence of advanced technology (power diamonds lights and watchtowers?) suggest that, unsurprisingly, the ruling class within the walls have the money to help these people but would rather put that money towards policing and continuing systemic poverty and opression instead. The lights are there to "prevent crime." They are not a benevolent gesture and are a tool of policing. If caught, those that are incarcerated in the shanty town clearly lack the funds or status to escape and will fall further into already abject, cyclical poverty.

[spiral vault]

Well

[nimble ingot]

is this in the live game?

[mortal robin]

two embers is basically anti capitalist and i love it

[nimble ingot]

how so?

And do you mean the story or how the animation is published?

[cobalt palm]

No I was equating the Dawn picture to be current day, as we see it ingame as we enter Isle as a Skykid after the destruction.
Where the first picture is in the theoretical past, as we see it while the ancestors were alive.

[strange siren]

Legit I'm loving it

[spiral vault]

I assume the story. The main character is in poverty and is forced to live in an exploitative militaristic society

[mortal robin]

i watched the first episode twice and realised that little toy MC kept was the last memory of their mother

WHERE DID THE TOYMAKER GO😭😭😭

[strange siren]

(Speaking as an American) Parallel to present day, many folks choose military service for the benefits the military provides such as schooling, healthcare, etc. due to their own lack of/limited funds. Some are even offered conscription over jail time.

[spiral vault]

My main thoughts on the Two Embers show? Well, the biggest thing is how much was already shown, either with trailers or previews.

We see around 50% of it in the trailers already. So we already kinda know what's gonna happen in the later episodes.

[sharp shore]

Yeah as an American this is probably the first thing i thought of too

[round salmon]

Just like every modern film in the industry

[sharp shore]

I saw a lot of things in the lore of what weve seen already (not enough yet but from what ive seen) to resemble a lot of political issues we have here at home

[low spindle]

Void of shattering!!!!!

[round salmon]

Two shattering guides...

[spiral vault]

I think the season takes place a while before the show, in my opinion. Before the spirit died.

[sharp shore]

You mean the toymaker?

[round salmon]

I agree, first quest is a backstory with some liberties.

[nimble ingot]

Imagine the season takes on a dual approach as in the season of Moomins.

Where we go through the quests as either the hopeful steward, or the mysterious child on a pilgrimage to the top of Eden.

[low spindle]

This is a thing that happens with sky lore, because of the nature of the sky lore it does have a lot of similarities to things that have happened in real life. Such as remembrance being compared to real life wars when it released.

I think there’s definitely something there to look into in terms of thinking about how the lore will play out or how the world of sky is urging two embers

[low spindle]

From the first quest it definitely seems like we might be taking the place of the mc/ hopeful Stewart right before the events of the show actually happen or in a kinda retelling of how things happened.

Since in our quest version, toy maker is still around and toy maker is the one who gets the butterfly toy taken from them. While in the show it’s hopeful Stewart who gets it stolen for a bit by the manatee.

[sharp shore]

Yeah i see that too

During times of war there is obviously less care towards the safety of civilians and more emphasis on making troops deadlier. I can obviously see that in the past version of golden wasteland.

Its a refugee camp where people look like theyre happy and there are children playing but obviously people are sick (like the toymaker) and there is a lack of care towards that. On top of that inadequate housing and police/troops patrolling every move. Terrible.

You see it all the time in real life

[strange siren]

Lore Thoughts 2
"The Indomitable Human Spirit" -- Despite the poverty they are kept in, resilience shines through. Children still play, they still find love, and people come together. Music is at it's core, and can be found all around. Music has the power to pass down knowledge and experience through generations even when the words seem to no longer have meaning.

[spiral vault]

2nd image: lesbians or danmei, take your pick

[nimble ingot]

That and function over aesthetics.

During times of war, people who are skilled in the arts (music and art) are sadly thrown into battle like any other soldier.
Those who happed to posses skills like baking, medicine or constructions are at times spared from the frontlines, but still obligated to contribute to the cause.

In a sense of timelines. It is safe to assume musical spirits either lived in a time were there was no war, or in a time where they are not yet drafted to take up arms and leave their instruments behind.

[sharp shore]

Im 99% sure there was some sort of draft

[nimble ingot]

(wrong reply my bad)
I meant this message: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[sharp shore]

Oh who were u replying to

Oh ok

[pallid zenith]

So I have a question... In the first quest are we playing as the ember from the animation? Or are we just another citizen

[round salmon]

We're playing as the kid in the quest

[pallid zenith]

😌 that's what I thought- now I'll have to go back and do it again dressed as them

[nimble ingot]

Imagine a secret ending plays out when you dress up as a certain spirit, and some hidden code checks for what type of cosmetics you have to trigger a special event?

[pallid zenith]

Oh that would be cool

Kinda like the invisible child bell call

[nimble ingot]

Exactly

(me running as a GM in a homebrew game)
I should consider doing that as some lore event.
Where the cosmetics evokes such a strong memory from a spirit, it gets them to tell a story with extra lore.

[pallid zenith]

Ooooooooo that would be fun

[round salmon]

Based

[sharp shore]

I forgot to reply to this message

I agree with you but im curious if you think there was some sort of social/cultural norm that certain people were expected to sign up for the draft

For example In the US there hasnt been a draft since Vietnam but men 18+ are required by law to sign up for selective service but women dont have to

Maybe there defo was something like that here i also dont doubt there were people with disabilities we dont see

I also dont doubt that the draft ripped apart families. I think season of belonging (super old i know) kind of said that but in a much more vague way

The dad was most likely drafted while the kids were displaced

[strange siren]

Lore Thoughts 3
The second area closer to the gates is a market. These people are the merchant, middle class. These people know trades because they were either born into them (i.e. parent was a blacksmith, etc.) or they had a social connection or funds that facilitated an apprenticeship/education.

They sell their wares to mainly other middle class people and soldiers. (The soldiers have an interesting state of class. They could have come from a middle or lower class family. Either way, their status rises.)

These people have the disposable income for luxuries like spices, dyes, new/repaired tools, and drinks. The difference in clothing color is distinct.

Police are there, but they are less concerned with the merchant class and more with keeping lower class "theifs" out and ensuring "order."

[round salmon]

I'm glad you brought up the disabilities part because now I'm wondering if any spirits we've met are disabled (not the ones in TTE).
Time to go on the wiki ig and scroll endlessly over quests and appearances.

Yeah Remembrance was my first thought

[spiral vault]

I think Wasteland isn't that strictly stratified. I imagine it has the peasantry at the bottom, then the Vault scholars, and the Eden Ruler at the very bottom. My reasoning is that all the lower class Wasteland people have very similar clothing

[sharp shore]

Yeah when i went there the clothing on some people was very distinct and different from others

[strange siren]

That's what I've been seeing, clothing is pretty consistent class wise

[nimble ingot]

It would certainly be a fun topic to explore and theorise on.
That would however tread into fanon territory and sadly would be better suited in another channel.
Especially when the idea for this one is to focus on the lore as presented by TGC.

I would ponder on season of Remembrance, Little Prince and Aurora to see how the war took a toll on the ancestor spirits.
For some, it tested their morals, their strength and some were even pushed to their physical limits.

There is a decent chance that whatever the cause was in the war. That the kingdom was willing to sacrifice everything to win.

[sharp shore]

There is also a possibility that some of the lower class refugees were given govt sanctioned clothing

Im not all that familiar with how monarchies work in real time other than basic knowledge (i live in a democracy) but it could happen

[sharp shore]

The only thing i am not sure of though was whether it was a civil war or a war between nations

I was thinking civil war but unsure

[nimble ingot]

Oh, I am at odds with the old Light Awaits hinting at the war against dark creatures, and the implication of a civil war between ancestors in the modern game.

For what it is worth, I know that dark creatures (aka Dark Dragons) have attacked in the battle. So that is not a debate.

Though it is interesting to see what the ancestors were fighting for.
And, adding in a theory with the wasteland elder's shield, if Tsadi was involved or aware of what both sides were fighting for.

[sharp shore]

I mean I’d hope hed be involved otherwise thatd make his military skills useless

Dudes clad entirely in armor

Then again its normal for people in power to do nothing while young (usually poorer) people do all the fighting

Man why cant they just dance battle or sumn

[nimble ingot]

That or lose sight of what matters.

The guy is built like a tank, and would likely make the mistake of going too far in a battle with squishy ancestors.

[vernal stump]

This seems like a stupid question, but where is Vault located within the Sky world? Like it's behind Wasteland's temple and before Eden. Is it underground? Why are there stars at the end, space? I never really thought about it until seeing the huge mountain again in the new season area...

[sharp shore]

You can check maps in-game and the dark blue thingy is vault

So that might help

[sour sphinx]

Is there a map shrine in the Two Embers version of Wasteland?

[strange siren]

I could see that, we know they give out rations too

[sharp shore]

Then again i think he might not be as tall as our skykid perspective

Like in the chapter the vault elder was there (absolutely NO idea WHY she was there) and she wasnt that tall compared to an average citizen

Tsadi could just be maybe around a foot taller

Either way hed be good support

[nimble ingot]

Inside the mountain right behind the wasteland temple. So it is right underneath Eden, encased in tons of earth.

[vernal stump]

Thank you!

[sharp shore]

Ok now im curious WHY WAS SHE EVEN THERE 😭🙏

[spiral vault]

I think it's directly embedded inside Eden

[sharp shore]

Would that mean vault students are considered the elite class if theyre so close to eden? (Or like the castle)

[trail drum]

We are in the perspective of Hopeful Steward's

And now I wonder who the parental figure was for Stewie
No spoilers since I haven't seen TTE as I cant see it on Switch and will have to see it on another device

[round salmon]

<_< I'd advise not entering the channel because people will be talking about spoilers here no matter what

[hushed steeple]

i just watched tte WHAT the honk

do we have an analysis from the pros yet, chat?

[scenic pebble]

most likely
but aside from that you have the fact that they're the closest to The Light and they can channel their "mastery" over it into the little miracles known to you as spells
then there's the fact that they're the most learned ones which must be pretty useful in a state that has just gotten industrial
then you add onto it the Lost Arc murals and combine them with the ones in The Vault, combine it with rare patterns on fabric found therein and it all gets you to think "damn, these guys seem important"
and for my final ingredient
did ya seriously think that you wouldn't be seen as important after clearing a trial?
then there's the evolution of the artisanal symbol which leads to it's final form in The Vault, it being... where it is and i have no more examples to point out such an axiomatic thing as "the knowers are actually quite important in an advanced society"

[hushed steeple]

i wish it was uploaded somewhere so bad i need to do a framebyframe analysis of RESH 🤩 BEAUTIFUL EVIL LEADER

[sharp shore]

This all tracks

The fact that we see some vault scholars in different realms shows they also have the privilege of traversing anywhere

My main question though is does that have anything to do with the vault elder being there in the chapter 1 of the series?

[scenic pebble]

where?

[plush timber]

so we all agree dawn ember (?) is hopeful steward

[sharp shore]

She was somewhere in the beginningish

[scenic pebble]

maybe i should watch what we have before getting into a lorechat discussion

[plush timber]

werent they checking personally who could enter the city or not

[sharp shore]

So thats what it was makes sense

[hushed steeple]

here are things i noticed??

• stewie is a craftsperson
• curfew/hide when the darkness comes?
• sewers lead from gw to vault?
• i feel like the mural of the light creatures going up to orbit then cutting to resh powering up the crystal is absolutely significant. maybe the crystal is blocking rebirth somehow?
• light has an effect on darkstone illness, which makes sense bc in game we light up statues to free spirits/skykids in pnr

[scenic pebble]

my "behind your back the vaultoids conspire in plain sight" theory is getting more and mmore credible

[valid dagger]

The dusk ember is hopeful Steward. While the dawn ember is the boy who will becomes the king (or you may call them alef like in the concept arts). At least, that's what most of us agreed on

[hushed steeple]

also how was resh floating... maybe the crystal had some power to make you float or smth

[sharp shore]

Ngl several years ago i assumed the vault elder was kinda evil as a joke but idk if that may or may not be true

If it is true i can laugh like a maniac

[round salmon]

This is the vault elder btw, they were checking on the infected in the line outside the gate

[scenic pebble]

there's literally a floating Spirit in Vault

[plush timber]

i somehow keep confusing dusk and dawn together😭

[hushed steeple]

gate to the temple?

[plush timber]

gate to temple/city
they found a person was infected and didnt allow them in

[round salmon]

They did though

[plush timber]

or so I think happened

[hushed steeple]

so is gw connected to eden? i was always confused on the location of vault of knowlege

[valid dagger]

The king assumed to have completed four elemental trials and ascended to Eden. So maybe, the king is built different than the rest of ancestors or even elders. In short, he is special one. And him levitating in front of the diamond is the proof of that

[round salmon]

GW Temple is the entrance way to Vault as shown in the game

[plush timber]

help they did?? i mistook the scene

[sudden sleet]

Oh interesting, I see them as a completely different person. Similar hairstyle, sure, but different

[nimble ingot]

Here is hoping the animation can be posted online.

It would make sense if TGC was posting teasers on YouTube and social media, to aslo release the episode eventually.

[hushed steeple]

why were they trying to get into vault if it wasn't a direct path to eden/the last city? is there a hospital or something in vault for the infection?

[sharp shore]

Wait what 😭 wouldn’t that be risky

Then again toymaker was there too with the infection

[round salmon]

I don't want to spoil anything so I can't fully say but the elder is trying to help the infected guys 💀

[plush timber]

idrk if the war thats going on caused the suirvelaince to be extra low could be a factor/consequnces

[sharp shore]

So shes not evil

Nah im assuming shes evil because im miserable

[hushed steeple]

honestly i might just wait a couple days for the experienced lore scholars to drop a full analysis of the episode bc im too tired to infer anything atm

[sharp shore]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-principal-skinner-skinner-children-out-of-touch-gif-4463952 embed fail 💔

[plush timber]

considering vault is an area just before eden that might be why they act like that

[sudden sleet]

Yeah that was the impression I got too. Like, people seemed to be waiting in line kinda hopefully. Or at least, the person with the crystals on their arms didn’t struggle and fight and plead as they walked on.

[round salmon]

You might have to wait more than that imma be real, the 15 minutes did not provide a whole lot but it did give some insight/context to general jist nonetheless. I know that sounds contradictor but there's still only chapter one and we don't know the full story yet, we got 9 more chapters until the full story is unveiled.

[sharp shore]

Nice to see you again nagati

[nimble ingot]

It has been like that for years.

That is why I save some gifs as attachments instead.

[spiral vault]

Most of it we already know from the trailers, but basically:

Hopeful Steward had a wooden toy from their parent, but the parent died and now they live as an oprhan in Wasteland. There's a strange new dark sickness spreading throughout. A manatee takes the wooden toy, and Hopeful Steward adopts the manatee after seeing they also have the sickness. The rancher tries to look for their lost manatee, but Hopeful Steward finds refuge in a mysterious old person's hole. They escape via underground pipes, and find a refuge. Hopeful Steward finds a candle and uses light particles to light it up, and then healing the manatee using that candle. The episode ends with the Steward resting with the manatee, and Resh aurafarming at Eden

[round salmon]

Thank you Void that pretty much summaries it

[sharp shore]

Aurafarming 💀💀💀💀💀💀

[plush timber]

HELP RESH'S AURAFARMING

[spiral vault]

If you know something we don't, that's fine, but Dusk Ember and Hopeful Steward are more similar than even Vault Elder's appearances in the game and the show.

[sharp shore]

Bro if i completed all trials irl not like reviving each time like in game and control all the elements id aurafarm too

[round salmon]

Oh wait you missed one small detail but the light/power from Resh's shard was presumably attracting krills (this is mostly a assumption but from the audio is most definitely what happened at the cliffhanger of ep 1).

[hushed steeple]

mysterious old person's hole does not sound right 😭 thank you though. im not gonna rlly try and look too far into it until we get further episodes

i do have a theory that the crystal is somehow blocking ascension,, since we see that mural near the end

it kinda looks like resh is powering up the crystal at the end? with the lightning that looks similar to the storm? man, trying to sleep in eden must SUCK. "i didnt get any sleep last night, king resh was aurafarming his crystal again and blew up my house..."

[plush timber]

NO WAY KRILLS ARE GOING TO BE IN NEXT EP ijibol

[round salmon]

We do not know if they will appear next episode, they could appear in another one for all we know :P

[sharp shore]

Krill are the k9 unit in the US army but if they backfired

[plush timber]

bro's ( resh) plotting smth

[sharp shore]

Dudes fit goes insanely hard too i think i want to cosplay the king sometime so i can aurafarm

[hushed steeple]

does anyone have any good screenshots for me to hyperfixate on for the next week yet?

[spiral vault]

#screenshots-and-videos should have a ton. I wish they would release on Youtube to get high quality screenshots

[round salmon]

one sec i got some

[hushed steeple]

thank you

[round salmon]

But yeah what Void said, there's a lot in that channel to look for.

[valid dagger]

It is right! The crystal whole purpose is to farming the light source from the direct spot of soul cycles. In conclusion, it does blocking the light creatures from ascending towards orbit.

[hushed steeple]

thank you!! it feels good to have validation for my theory

here's a more crazy theory. what if the corruption of light creatures is somehow linked to that? being cut off from the megabird/the light? after all without light there's darkness,,, so,,,

[sharp shore]

Wait can you explain how it blocks ascension?

[round salmon]

The light from the tunnels Dawn got for the candle is absorbed into the shard. All the tunnels are used as a cable throughout the city to power the crystal, I assume?

Because of this, it's blocking all the light in the world of sky from reaching ascension.

[sharp shore]

Ah i see its so conserve power greedily

Classic resh amirite

[delicate anvil]

Hellooo, this might be a bit of a stupid question but do we know anything about how krill came to be, and specifically how they function as living beings? Lowkey huge biology nerd so I'm really curious

[hushed steeple]

the assumption is that krill were once light creatures but were corrupted on accident. we dont know much yet though

[round salmon]

We do not know the origins or evolution of krills. Only small tibidts like their names and mannerisms.

[spiral vault]

I think the plot is progressing very quickly, much more than I expected. I didn't expect the healing manatee scene to be at the first episode. This means the second episode shows the city falling and Hopeful Steward running away with the manatee and the pack?

Then the third episode has the Hopeful Steward healing others with the candle and reaching the Shipwreck, and the fourth episode is Vault?

[round salmon]

I'm a bit confused why you responded with this. I relatively have no idea what each episode will be (saying this because Ive seen beta quests but not the film).

[sharp shore]

Lmao same i was like huh

[round salmon]

The structure of the quests vs the episode progression has some tweaks and liberties here and there so it's 🧇

Also I have a heavy feeling that part two is gonna be a big flashback and leads back up to the current timeframe with Dawn

[hushed steeple]

if resh and stewie interact at some point i will scream and jump for joy

[spiral vault]

These are just my predictions

[round salmon]

Without a doubt they will interact at least once considering Stewie/Dawn joins up Vault Elder and views a lantern.

[sharp shore]

I saw during the episode there was some spoken language that i could hear small glimpses of

It didnt sound like some noises to me it sounded like actual language

Do you think its the spoken version of the script we see on the bells in prairie and the inscriptions on the walls of vault

[round salmon]

Funny you mention that but the marketplace ingame also has background audio of people talking, it's a nice detail to liven up the area.

[sharp shore]

I feel like in game is just stock audio but the actual animated chapter has some real language

Like when the shepherd was talking to the soldier

[dire glade]

I just came over from the season events chat and they mentioned some sort of sickness, which is why the toymaker and manatee have strange marks on them

I wonder if it's also a quarantine zone as well

didn't they use to do that?

[dense citrus]

Random question but why do skykids/spirits actually wear masks?

[sharp shore]

Could be a cultural thing

They probably take it off in front of family or spouses (the people i mean)

Or hear me out, someone mentioned some time ago about how the atmosphere is super thick (due to how the light reflects off of light things). The masks could mitigate some discomfort.

Eventually it became part of the culture

[valid dagger]

Refer to this #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[round salmon]

Really wishing I had screenshot with the tablets so I could decipher if it's the same as ingame. I don't want to make assumptions that they are. The spoken and written language in the film HAS to be the same but I do not know if the ones ingame vs the film are. For all I know they could've taken liberties to change it in some fashion.

Sky has two writing systems in game (a logogram system and a alphabet system). Most murals are the logogram system while places like Vault uses a more alphabet system. Along with this conlags are a bit tricky sometimes because in order to understand the language that was created we have to obtain words/phrases and essientially play a arduous game of wordle.

[sharp shore]

Ah that makes sense for the skykid masks

I wonder if the peoples’ masks is different though

[scenic pebble]

in-lore
hell if i know, it may be some sort of cultural thing that stuck with Ancestors likely linked to them being neutral creatures in a world filled with Light
real answer
devs wanted to make skid's faces customizable and changing masks was less uncanny than changing faces

[sudden sleet]

Nah, more like, their hair is different and their outfits are different ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[valid dagger]

We still doesn't have any clues for ancestors mask, unfortunately

[sharp shore]

The alphabet maybe can be translations of the logogram

I always assumed isle of dawn welcomed a lot of immigrants and many people in a country speak multiple languages

Schools probably taught them both to children

[sudden sleet]

I don’t see anything connecting them to Aviary in the first chapter Vault Elder is a bit easier to connect since the mask is really distinctive and the location of Vault near Mt. Eden is known too. Will be interesting to see what turns out in the next few chapters I guess

[round salmon]

Logograms are pretty prehistoric while the other is more modern which is fitting for Vault so do with that what you will

Isle of Dawn was probably one of the "first" villages in a way

[sharp shore]

I also wanna know

What other kingdoms or nations are out there?? Does Resh ever get foreign aid? How does foreign policy work

Otherwise its extremely weird that this kingdom gets funded for its war WITHOUT foreign aid

on top of that its also implied since a lot of immigrants probably came into isle of dawn

[valid dagger]

As far as i know, the kingdom of sky is the ONLY kingdom exist that unite all ancestors into one banner and never be mentioned by devs if there's any other kingdom or nation out there

[sharp shore]

Man if they put an update out there where we can visit other nations i would be so intrigued

And also checking different modes of transportation

[heady burrow]

Has anyone spotted any ancestors in the first quest area wearing anything other than the scolding student mask? Either it's culturally significant in some way or it's a rampant fashion trend

[hushed steeple]

theres no other kingdoms i think

[sharp shore]

D’awh

But thats also kind of odd and creepy to me. Maybe its just me being american but we always have some sort of foreign policy since its so powerful

(Creepy as in the kingdom is all alone by itself)

[hushed steeple]

also an american

[sharp shore]

Yea

[hushed steeple]

the ancestors came from orbit to colonize the land below, at least thats what i think was said. resh was able to unite all the individual realm kingdoms into one

[nimble ingot]

*as a theory

[hushed steeple]

im pretty sure there's lots of evidence for that ingame?

[sharp shore]

I dont really know…

[nimble ingot]

There is, though it remains a theory like so many others until there is something to confirm it.

[round salmon]

The origins of the ancestors are undisclosed as opposed to the sky kids creation.

[nimble ingot]

That said, one point to touch upon in the sentence. "the ancestors came from orbit..."
We don't know where the ancestors came from. We know they came from someplace else, but we don't know where or what that may be.

[sharp shore]

Yeah this is what i think

I dont know if its evolutionary biology or supernatural

[simple saddle]

I always interpreted the final memory of Shattering as the Elders being cast out of Eden…
(A fallen angel type of thing)

[nimble ingot]

With how powerful that explosion was. I am sure all of them gotten sick airtime off the mountain
(sorry, not sorry)

[sharp shore]

Either because Resh hated them eventually and wanted to become totalitarian or because the elders messed up somewhere

Prolly the first one tho

[round salmon]

Never apologize for the truth 🫡

[scenic pebble]

they came from up

[simple saddle]

I think the king is benevolent? The concept art they showed as part of the anniversary event says they imagined a ruler who sacrificed themselves and reincarnated as Skykids…or something to that effect

[shrewd mango]

Hello! Not opposing or anything- just curious- if the Eden explosion did cast the elders out of Eden would that sort of mean that they've plan their burial or something? Cause we can see the ruins of the vault summit when ascending to orbit and I've read somewhere that the stone thingys of elders are like tombstones so technically they got tombstones planted before the eruption (that casted the elders outta Eden) occurred?? (Sorry if I'm not making sense haven't been here for quite a while sofhskdhsb)

I mean like presumably the summit was destroyed by the eruption with how damaged it is and since it's after the pnr so-

[simple saddle]

Is okay, it's a valid question
The Vault is known to be a dreamlike state – think of it this way: there's a lot of similarity between the Vault that we enter after Wasteland, and the Vault that we see after the cutscene…
Where did the intermediate levels come from?

[scenic pebble]

the tombstones were always a big question and no answer to them exists

[simple saddle]

I think the Elders did pass away between the old times and the Skykids' time, because the only time we see the elders is when we meditate at their temples
They're like "deities" to us Skykids
Maybe morally grey deities, though…

[round salmon]

def morally grey dieites lol

[wintry matrix]

204 new messages...

[grave laurel]

so much to comment on tho!

[wintry matrix]

Tombstones mean they died unnatural death and left a body behind.

[scenic pebble]

yeah but who made those graves?

[grave laurel]

i’m wondering why it goes dark when resh activates the dark stone in the first episode, was it already dark and the lights keep everything bright? Or do the dark stones cause darkness to come in and block out the sky?

[tardy vapor]

Not necessarily- tombstones are put up also when there's no body to be found

[shrewd mango]

If they did got casted out of Eden then there's an instance that they did get "redeemed" when "they" finally lead the spirits back into the light? Since they're in orbit that is the holiest place

[wintry matrix]

acolytes likely, one memory shows them taking care of it, vault was refuge during shattering and you can ee people lining up to wasteland temple which leads to vault so the sick people were common there

[tardy vapor]

Darkstones are a source of energy aren't they?

[simple saddle]

Back when I went by Skychaeologist here, I made the observation that people who have unfinished business leave behind a ghost, AKA spirit…

[grave laurel]

kinda?? They need to absorb light to put out energy, they can’t do it on their own i don’t think

[wintry matrix]

lol no if anything im screaming in agony, cozy neurodivergent channel gone, reduced to atoms

[tardy vapor]

Idk if they're renewable xd

[grave laurel]

i’m way too distracted by being excited for the new season to care 😭😭 But i understand, hopefully it calms down but i doubt it

ah my drawing app calls to me….

[wintry matrix]

i miss the times when you could talk about one or two topics for whole day here

[round salmon]

Considering chapters are given out weekly, most likely not. Not that I mind one bit I like hearing the new and old fans mix up again. Plus this was bound to happen.

[grave laurel]

same, but! I’m excited that we can’t do that because it means there’s so much new lore to talk about!

[wintry matrix]

i shared theory on this here not so long ago but doubt i find it in all this flood

[grave laurel]

the more lore fans we can make, the better

[round salmon]

Honk yeah!

[wintry matrix]

the more lore seniors you will lost tbh

[fresh frigate]

This channel is for everyone!

[grave laurel]

also are we able to interact with the manatee yet? The most i can seem to do is walk in its enclosure and have it fly around

[wintry matrix]

they keep despawning for me and my friend

[tardy vapor]

There is a toggle that appears in the pen with the few big ones, I send it to the events chat but didn't get any answer ~

[grave laurel]

i don’t get the pop up to open the pen door to the bigger ones

[tardy vapor]

You can glitch into it from behind, near the sand heap

But be careful, you'll glitch just as easily into the cage lol

[round salmon]

We've had some come back though for TTE like Mia for example

[simple saddle]

Hello

[round salmon]

HELLO MIA Hope you enjoyed the first screening/season

[wintry matrix]

somehow i managed to find it in all this mess #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[simple saddle]

It was really cute! I love nonverbal animation

[round salmon]

Same, it's very charming. They hit the ballpark on that aspect

[wintry matrix]

one does not outweight 10 that left

[round salmon]

I said "some" meaning more than just Mia.

[simple saddle]

Uhh…thanks?
New lore-ists are always welcome, especially since they have more material to work with

[wintry matrix]

we are talking about vets that left this morning when the chat exploded

[midnight sonnet]

I wonder what this Aurora spirit means

[pastel brook]

It’s okay! You can cry

[simple saddle]

I mean that's the reason for my hiatus too…
But TTE was too good to ignore so I'm braving the storm

[wintry matrix]

i dont think they will return before it calms down here again
even i dont think i can finsih the architecture of sky project i have going on when the chat goes faster than the cooldown and the pics have to stay together

each realm takes more than 10 photos and 10 is limit per one message

[fresh frigate]

Unfortunately that’s just how it goes, nothing stays the same forever new people come and go and the chats nature will change

I for one have almost never spoken in here until today, I was so excited about Resh

[simple saddle]

Long live the king, the king is dead…

[round salmon]

Welcome, glad you're excited and wanted to stop by!

[simple saddle]

I also noticed you've been a member since Aug 31 on this server, which happens to be my birthday…

[midnight sonnet]

Yep always has I’m relatively new as a lorist I only started to spew theories after I noticed similarities between the blue bird and the divine figure of Homay which made me notice how every single divine being in sky seems to be represented by birds and how birds seemed to have been safe from most light factories

[tardy vapor]

Homay?

[round salmon]

Yeah like megabird!

[fresh frigate]

Haha yeah that’s when I joined back after my banishment, I’ve been here since 2021

August 31st is also my horses birthday! You share a birthday with eachother

[simple saddle]

The craziest headcanon I have is that Aurora is Megabird
I also think the blue bird represents something you think is a material, but it actually isn't…

[round salmon]

Uma...birthday...

[midnight sonnet]

Yeah a mythical bird that some say is the daughter of the sun (a large beacon of light like Megabird)

[fresh frigate]

Mother is megabird 100%

[tardy vapor]

Oh alright, only met with the megabird concept before

[midnight sonnet]

Birds are just divine beings in Sky, they have to be there’s MegaBird, Bluebird and Aurora first appears to us as a bird

[simple saddle]

My crazy HC is also supported by the fact that the vocals on the Sky soundtrack are hers

[fresh frigate]

Mother is ethereal so therefor she must be megabird

[midnight sonnet]

Yes you aren’t entirely wrong she most likely is Megabird or at least an avatar of Megabird which also proves my theory of the Divine nature of birds

[simple saddle]

On that note, my phone says it's bedtime

[fresh frigate]

It’s 6:31 am here haha I haven’t slept myself 😔 alittle too late now

[round salmon]

I will always adore how "The Light Beyond" got revamped to be AURORA's vocals

[jolly marsh]

Is there a guide to learn about Sky Lore?

It seems interesting and throughout the game it's not really foretold, actually that's wrong, it's told but not explained well.

[round salmon]

Wiki has a lore summary https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/Lore. The pinned messages in this channel also has some good information like the concept art and dev streams. If you have questions feel free to ask.

[pastel brook]

Inconceivable!

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[nimble ingot]

Still eating peas, bud?

[plush timber]

peas

[nimble ingot]

The bot has been eating peas since 2021...

[plush timber]

it's their whole diet now

[round salmon]

Bro needs a more balanced diet

[rancid zenith]

this #lore-discussion-spoilers message helped me

[restive locust]

Its meant to be open-ended! There are lots of clues, but you make the lore based on your interpretation of the facts :)

[jolly marsh]

Okay but where are the clues😭😭

[nimble ingot]

🙂
That is half of the fun with learning lore in Sky.

[restive locust]

Murals, season quests, statues, environmental stuff

[delicate anvil]

I was mural hunting in reef a bit out of personal curiosity, not sure how to interpret this one? If anyone wants to share their thoughts on what this is supposed to tell us I'd love to hear

[jolly marsh]

Civilization using mantas

[round salmon]

Using mantas for light power, one of the sections in Abyss Reef shows some creatures in "tubes"

[nimble ingot]

There are other murals that add more context to this.
It is ideal to explore around to learn more about the story being told here.

This scene shows the ancestors bringing mantas inside the building.
In one of the season quests, you release some of the mantas trapped inside.

What the ancestors were planning to do with the mantas is further hinted at in other murals.

[grave laurel]

experiments on mantas turning them into krill’s basically

[dense citrus]

But skykids and spirits are able to talk right? You can hear them laugh, sigh and make different types of noises, also in the new map it seems there's a lot of talking in the background....Or maybe they're limited on saying certain things?

[grave laurel]

i think it’s so there’s no problems with language barriers and the devs don’t have to translate to dozens of different languages

[unreal wren]

I like to think it’s because the sky kids can understand eachother, but in that way where the honks and emotes are like a non verbal sort of language, intuitive and easy to understand without words directly.

Plus stars don’t exactly, like speak, so I think it’s cute and clever way to get around there being a potential language barrier

[round salmon]

There is background audio in the new map that is "talking" to simulate a sense of citizenry.
Sky Kids "honking" essentially is their spoken language. However they are more vocal in their body language (emotes and whatnot) so communicating verbally isn't relied on in the same sense like the ancestors do with their written/spoken languages.

[plush timber]

that was a pretty cool detail

[scenic pebble]

stars don't speak? hell yeah they do, just not with sound, and it's basically just burps unless they're sentient

[unreal wren]

Yeah I meant in like the traditional way of words, hence my line of thinking being that non verbal communication using honks and emotes being easier for Sky kids

[nimble ingot]

burping stars, lol
Now I heard everything.

[trail drum]

Exactly communication can always be spoken by the way someone stands and looks, same with the eyes, sometimes eyes conveys emotions too, even if they dont have mouths, you just have to see the way they act

[round salmon]

That reminds me Sky's use of emoting as a form of language is like how Minecraft players use body language to express themselves (ex: punching up in the air is a form of hello in minecraft communities).

[trail drum]

Exactly!

[tidal loom]

the episode shows them making noises, so they are capable of being verbal, but it seems that verbally spoken language is not as extensively developed as their kinesiology and kinesics. also, most of the emotes use their hands to convey an emotion or information in some ways, such as the scolding gesture and the stop it gesture. in my opinion, i don’t think their civilization had any spoken language, which is very interesting!

their form of writing also doesn’t have any words, only pictographs (throughout the realms, on walls, and in the vault the lanterns show holographic images), which solidifies this theory

[round salmon]

They have two forms of written languages, one is a logogram system and a alphabet system. I wouldn't call them pictographs per say but I get what you mean.

[tidal loom]

oh thats true! i didn’t remember the alphabet

[round salmon]

I do agree it's not as developed as the others. Considering logogram and pictographs are very prehistoric it's safe to bet the use of verbal language was much newer.

(Also based pfp btw, Momonga is beloved)

[tidal loom]

it is also interesting to consider that we have mostly seen these logograms on big, meaningful monuments such as bells or on the elder’s head accessory, so perhaps it was not accessible either, whereas pictographs were much more common

i love momonga!!!!!!!!!!!

[round salmon]

Mhm mhm they sure love their lil doodles

[rapid horizon]

wait so are the masks part of their face

[trail drum]

Chiikawa pfp!
Anyways

[spiral vault]

No, maskless spirits still exist, but my theory is that maskless spirits aren't as high up socially.

[rapid horizon]

they sleep in masks?

[muted salmon]

maybe ancestors also honk like skykids, it's just more like guttural roars and grunts to them

[rapid horizon]

I could be wrong, but I thought the guard was making lego noises

[languid kestrel]

I have a question about something I'm a little puzzled on. Does it say anywhere (in game or out of game) where we were peacefully flying until we lost our light and asteroided to aviary? Orbit or something? I'm not good with lore and stuff so I may have missed info

[jaunty laurel]

I don’t wanna rejoice two fandoms, but does anyone find the village in two embers remind you of piltover from arcane? Not physically but in some geophysical sense

[hushed steeple]

@grave laurel hhhhhh
Ok.....

You were right!

💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵😭💵

[grave laurel]

YEAHHHHH

[grave laurel]

no i get it! the looming majestic building in the horizon, the heavy police/guard presence, the stark difference between the poorer district and the richer one

[dreamy fiber]

so i got some question, maybe a dumb one but how come we're able to see the castle at the peak 500 years ago? coz in sky's current timeline we only see it on our way to orbit?
im not that up-to-date with sky lore so yea

[viral quarry]

you do have a good point!! I would just think there is less green fog/clouds before the entire place was corrupted

[valid dagger]

It's always has been. We've seen the flying castle at the Isle of dawn first cutscene. It's been ruined though. At 500 years ago, the castle is still in its glory. Plus the wasteland's environmental conditions at this time are still fine enough compared to our times. So that's maybe the reason why we can see the castle at 500 years ago than in our time/post-shattering event

[dreamy fiber]

OH that makes a lot more sense for me now i completely forgot about isle's cutscene
tysm for the answers!

[sour sphinx]

Honestly I was watching the episode the second (or third 😵‍💫 (and my brain needs a break from watching it)) time and it's possible that's the Ceasing Commodore's cape

[spice musk]

y'all after watching the animation, i got a theory...eden king guy is hoarding the light to himself

also the ending with the storm uprising, this is just a thought rn but what if outside of that place is all darkness and near the mountain is all they have left of light

[noble ferry]

I really think that's the case maybe

[restive locust]

Hmmmm good theory! Makes me wnder whats up with aisle of dawn then, its so green. I wonder if, like how in storm lock, the crystal destroys you, and the eden guy was in charge of making sure it didnt. do that. Maybe he got too greedy and the crystal went boom and thats why everything becomes so much more desolate as you progress...

[elfin sorrel]

My abyss-pilled brain also saw that 👁️👁️

[lucid bridge]

I like that the lanterns use dark stones instead of fire. It’s a cool detail.

[spice musk]

possible spoiler but uh, went far out of bounds and found this place...uh....holy moly, its related to the shard

||i go near it and my light starts to drain slowly so uh- there's that too||

[bitter ore]

Holy sherbert

[lucid bridge]

Money yay money money money

[spice musk]

now that i think of it, i think this might be what the inside of that temple would've been, the one that ||sick people are going into to get healed! cause if you look at how the build is, its very similar to that temple||

[jaunty laurel]

I sent a DM to my friend that went on about the first quest, I wanna share it here as well.

It feels natural for my sky kid to have no cape at all. He's practically like the rest of the spirits in this time period of pandemic stress; you're on level with the spirits. Instead of being this figure of light to save a kingdom that collapse far into the future, you're now just like the rest of the spirits. No matter what cosmetics you own or how your sky kid is personalized, you're like the rest of everyone living in the past of getting by with controlled trading, social hierarchy, ranching, maybe a form of religion or beliefs, and health management with how some sick spirits are being quarantined. For the first playing sky since the start of 2024, I feel the story in its closest proximity. Don't get me winded, the base game storytelling is magnificent with the subtleness you learn as you play through the realms. This season feels like an entire spinoff to sky, and this narrative of being apart of society instead of beyond the collapse makes me fall in love more.

[hushed steeple]

Was there a ||big darkstone on|| a platform above? Because I saw this in an oob, but could not get there

[sharp shore]

GOODNESS GRACIOUS HOW DID YOU DO THIS (If you dont mind dm’ing me)

[hushed steeple]

I recorded a Weird weird noise played under that room, in the void.

[spice musk]

never thought it'd let me get this close

[sharp shore]

Ah i see

Ill have to try this when im there

[spice musk]

sadly requires piggyback trick but where that old man spirit is, the tunnel below, you go there and then piggy back rocket high enough that you can glide down to that structure

[violet kestrel]

I was just thinking of this, but what if the reason they don’t have a spoken language is because they can’t hear like us. I mean they are kind of like a living rock depending on your interpretation - maybe the noises are more of a resonance. Maybe they know they can make noise but they can’t hear it if that makes sense. Maybe the vibrations move through their body and give a “hum” or “honk” and through those vibrations they can distinguish the location and intensity of noise. This would explain why they make noise to get attention because it still creates vibrations others can feel, but it also makes sense why they don’t have a whole language. Building off this- many deaf people love music because they feel the vibrations or have partial hearing. Perhaps the vibrations of music echo a deeper resonance with the sky universe and this is why music has a major role in their lives.

[sharp shore]

THANK YOU

[spice musk]

eden king really said im king of the hill

[hushed steeple]

Weird water glurp sound under oob

[spice musk]

i made it to the top y'all

[stark oracle]

Ngl it kinda reminds me of final fantasy 7 advent children. Like how shinra was taking from the earth's life force, but then the earth fought back. It looks crazy similar

[spice musk]

and now ima dive down yahoo

[stark oracle]

okay so le brain is thinking, and this is just my theory for what might be going on. so we can see from the first episode ||that they are indeed harvesting light (or energy) from the light creatures. Hence the need to treat them like cattle, but we were also given a look at the fact that older light creatures are taken first (when the child is sneaking the smaller light creature out, we see one with similar dark crystals get taken away and a door is shut). Which makes me wonder, do they only take from the light creatures that have these dark crystals? Hence the blue hue of energy that is seen (the lanterns, the lights from the kingdom, the lights from the tall king statues, etc). Even more so, if that's what they're doing with the light creatures with dark crystals on their body, then what's happening to the people with dark crystals? I saw it earlier in chat, someone got into the temple and there's a piece of the shard in there and their light began to drain. Maybe that's just for us cuz we have light inside of us, but that's very questionable. Also now thinking of the comparison between this and FF7, there are similarities. Shinra (the King) used the life force, both as a weapon and an energy source. And it looks like a religion was also established (the temple, the drawings on the wall of light being offered up to what looks like the light stream) in order to keep it going even though the temple might believe they're healing and doing good. but who knows?|| either way, I'm intrigued to what the next episode reveals! (sorry for the long tangent, its been a bit since i partook in theories and lore)

[spiral vault]

No, nothing like that was explicitly confirmed, but it's a good assumption

[spiral vault]

I agree wholeheartedly. However, I think it would be best if everyone was dressed the exact same, perhaps like the Hopeful Steward, to reinforce this theory.

[strange flare]

same...

[strange harness]

Very minor spoilers for the first few seconds of Two Embers episode 1:

Did y'all notice at the very beginning of episode 1 that Eye of Eden was called ||"The Last City" (or "The Ruler's City" as mentioned in one of the promo images a few weeks ago)|| 500 years ago?

Makes you wonder... if it was called ||The Last City, are there other cities out there beyond the reaches of the Sky Kingdom, or somewhere out there in the stars where the light may still be "infinite"? || I've been loving this season so much already aaaaaa

[hallow basalt]

i mean, we know the abyss season area was also some kind of civilization that trapped light creatures like the mantas for their light source. And they fell/got corrupted. Probs "the Last city" was literally that. The last city still standing

[strange harness]

Who knows what else could be out there!

[restive locust]

Infinite Manatees are out there

[strange flare]

and krills

[hushed steeple]

i thought it was implying that all other major settlements had fallen

or at least, regressed to rural points

[jaunty laurel]

I agree to your counter but I rebuttal to this. The theory is that we go back in time as the game implies. Meaning that we take our sky kid, cosmetically accurate to present day sky, into a time period where that fashion sense hasn’t reached its norm. This can also imply a theory in which a paradox exists. Are we being retold the story from the past (in which you have period correct cosmetics) or being sent to the story to see it all unfold (present day cosmetics brought into the story)

There is some evidence to this sort, like how whenever you express around NPCs (i.e other sky kids) They seem to laugh at you and mock you. You would think it’s because they’re taunting because it’s part of being a kid, or would you think it’s because of what you’re wearing and how you’re expressing yourself?

[upper mortar]

If we're talking about lore implications. This would basically be an equivalent of a rich Valley boy interacting with the impoverished in Golden Wasteland

[tacit basalt]

I've been thinking about what tgc hinted at once. That we are all are fragments of Alef before he became the Eden elder or the king.
And how we are all in a time loop and the reason we're fragments is because he wants to fix what happened

[ashen fractal]

Where did tcg hint at that? I'm honestly curious, been putting together references for a while now...

[hushed steeple]

Had my attention till "in a time loop"

Unless eden farming is through time too. :/

[rain frost]

Lore chat what do we think of how this tower has a perihelion (glow) like Eden and winglights?

[hushed steeple]

seems to be a thing when something is powered by light from orbit

[mossy moss]

i dont know anything about the lore but do the crystals kind of represnt small pox?

because since the movie is set back then and theres some sort of crystal disease just like how there was a small pox outbreak in europe during the 18th centuary

im kind of jumping to conclusions lol but please hear me out

[plush timber]

wasnt that tower lighted up signalizing some sort of curfew

[grave laurel]

||omg- are those trees? i don’t think we’ve ever seen them in sky kingdom before||

[plush cave]

I never actually thought about “human diseases” in relation to Sky! That’s an interesting theory, I don’t think I’ve heard that before .

the stones we see on the bodies of the generations and creatures is ‘darkstone’ as far as I understand. It’s basically a mineral found in the world of Sky, used for powering many of the man-made structures by harvesting light. Somewhere along the way the darkstone somehow caused pollution.

The only reason why I don’t immediately think it’s a disease like small pox is because when our light vanishes, darkstone is formed on ‘our’ (skykid) bodies. Like when you get hit by Eden rocks, or lose light by krill.

[grave laurel]

i just noticed smth, is that the rulers shadow?

[plush cave]

I don’t know muchhhh about the lore of sky but I think that’s the general idea of things… I think

[plush timber]

bro was aurafarming

[grave laurel]

ong, gotta keep authority somehow
||hes compensating for his baldness||

[plush timber]

omg the darkness sickness being a reference to irl sickness is so 👀

[grave laurel]

it seems like it affects the respiratory system, like with the first quest the toy maker was coughing a lot

[plush cave]

I mean technically it could be, they’re sick and dying. So it is a sickness, I just don’t know if it really has a human character

OH YEAH

[plush timber]

some other charas also were coughing

[grave laurel]

i’m wondering if it’s like a fungi, in the sense that it sprouts those crystals, but has a network beneath the skin, like a mycelium network

[mossy moss]

i think that lines up for me because the industrial revolution also happened in the 18th centuary

[plush timber]

ohohoo

i mean industrial revolution caused a bunch of new diseases to be developed so-

[plush cave]

After it gets polluted?

How did it get polluted again because raw darkstone isn’t dangerous afaik

[grave laurel]

oh no no i mean the dark stone sickness on the body itself

[mossy moss]

what if every skykid is infected with said disease? and once the blackstone senses darkness (like the crystals flying in eden) it sprouts out of the skykids skin?

[plush cave]

Ah I see!!

[grave laurel]

like, the reason it may be affecting the lungs could be because the disease spreads below the skin

[grave laurel]

who knows, we haven’t got the ancestors to compare skykids to in that regard, and even if we did see them get absolutely clobbered by rocks, i highly doubt they’d be nearly as resilient as us 😭

[plush cave]

I think that can be true, our light keeps us alive. Because of the light, the darkstone was also removed from little manatee

[mossy moss]

small pox also blocks the respiratory system i think

[grave laurel]

i love bringing out my biology nerdiness with this stuff

[plush cave]

*our light and our memories. Because essentially we lose all of our (and the ancestors’) memories in Eden . Wing buffs are memories

[mossy moss]

i love bringing my history nerdiness in this stuff too

[grave laurel]

TOGETHER!

[plush timber]

it can lead to complications related to lungs to bronchitis or pneumonia

[mossy moss]

LOL

[plush cave]

But it doesn’t seem to be cured by medicine

[grave laurel]

speaking of relating it to smallpox, i wonder if the dark stone disease is contagious

[plush cave]

Because I’m sure enchantment guide can cook something up with the flower potions and all

[hushed steeple]

i always saw it as similar to radiation poisoning considering darkstone is also an energy source :3

and shattering's effects seem similar to a nuclear meltdown imo

[mossy moss]

there was a solution for small pox, in turkey they inject a bit of small pox in their veins so after it heals they wont get it anymore (iirc)
also a woman tried to spread the solution but people didnt really want to inject a deadly virus inside their arm

[plush cave]

I do think it’s contagious! Oh yeah radiation poisoning I forgot about that

[grave laurel]

and if it is, how is it contagious? maybe when the infected cough they release part of the disease that can be breathed in by others, or maybe the crystals on the skin can transmit it

[plush timber]

there are some infected charas in the city so it's gonna spread a lot

[grave laurel]

yeah, the ‘medicine’ we see, like the tea, seem to only help the symptoms, not the disease itself

[hushed steeple]

if its contagious how does stewie not have it? considering they were in proximity with someone who did

[plush cave]

Maybe not yet

[plush timber]

if small pox was trasmitted throught airborne i guess that sickness is the same (?)

[grave laurel]

i feel like if it was contagious though, there’d be a strict quarantine, but everyone seems very chill around infected people, even the guards

[mossy moss]

if the blackstone disease is airborne, is that why peopl started wearing masks?

[hushed steeple]

yeah i dont think its a contagion. i think its caused by proximity to darkstone which could make it somewhat contagious but i dont rlly think so

[plush timber]

last city is very close to darkstone if the last scene counts

[grave laurel]

yep, my theory is that dark stone is like a carcinogen, having cancer doesn’t mean you can spread it to others
thus, by being around dark stone it increases your risk of getting the disease

[hushed steeple]

vault elder didnt appear afraid to mess with the infected spirit so i doubt its airborne at the very least

[mossy moss]

just a question, is eden abundant of blackstone?

[hushed steeple]

exactly! my theory is mostly based on nuclear power/radiation,, there are a lot of things about destruction of the climate for greed thematically in sky so nuclear power motif would work

[plush timber]

*you cannot eat money oh no* /j

[grave laurel]

naturally occurring dark stone? i have no clue. as for dark stone in general, well it’s the place with the big diamond one, so yes

[grave laurel]

i doubt it would have much natural darkstone as it’s the location for the soul cycle, which produces a ton of light

[mossy moss]

i like the idea of the blackstone disease being a radioactive one

[hushed steeple]

that song being used for the aurora concert is absolutely intentional considering what it means in our world and in sky

[plush timber]

yes!

[hushed steeple]

darkstone/the eden crystal farms the light/absorbs it though. this can also be seen with the crystals in eden draining your light. so even if it wasnt naturally there, its kinda like an invasive species able to eat up all the light and store it for resh's use. until shattering happened which was probably intentional but we'll see...

it would be able to spread easily

[grave laurel]

but even with our own candles, we can melt off the darkness from other skykids. so a giant pillar of light that is literally the centre of rebirth could probably easily hold off darkstone (at least until resh reshed everywhere)

[plush timber]

we're so getting shattering event in the show /hj

[mossy moss]

so the reason why prairie (if you dont count sanctuary islands) dosent have anything that absorbs light is because it was too far away from eden? (im clueless forgive me)

[grave laurel]

probably! (and it’s okay, a lot of us are also clueless haha)

[mossy moss]

darkstone looks like the shared space crystal ngl

[plush timber]

they do?

[hushed steeple]

yeah the darkstone being able to exist in eden is absolutely post-resh eating up all the light

[mossy moss]

darkstone light is blue right? so its kind of similar to the shared space crystals

[mossy moss]

in topic of resh eating up all light, were the pipes leading to the giant castle in eden? so was resh hogging all the light. i didnt really see any light in the chapter

[hushed steeple]

yes! :3 pipes and everything like that are seen in eden itself, even in pnr leading up to the crystal. he used light to charge up his darkstone crystal iirc

[hushed steeple]

its blue but when corrupted appears red i think?

[mossy moss]

so were using uncorrupted darkstone in our sky apartments?

[hushed steeple]

ooh maybe...

nooo little skykid dont get darkstone poisoning 😭

guess its similar to abestos. in our homes but it's toxic lol

[tacit basalt]

I forget but I can look back into it!

I just speculate it being a time loop. Because no matter what everything is always reset after edin. Like nothing can be undone what has already been done you know? No matter how many times we go to edin, those souls were never and can't be saved.

[hushed steeple]

i dont think so. i've heard paradox theory but not time loop. wouldnt rlly make sense

[mossy moss]

i think paradox makes more sense

[tacit basalt]

Possibly. Either way just speculation

But paradox does make more sense too.

It's just sad that no matter how many times we go to edin we can't really ' win ' or fix what happened

[wintry matrix]

We only know about two naturally occuring darkstone veins, one being in peaks and second in forest cave (where it was first discovered). Tearful light miner has memory about mining something which can be darkstone too, we dont know. It is still in forest though

Excuse me but your message gives off not a good intentions, surely that wasnt you are aiming for, right? If you have some problem, we can solve it in DMs.

[hushed steeple]

?? sorry i was saying that whenever you type its like. youre the expert. i listen to whatever you have to say. im sorry i didnt mean to be rude i'll delete it

[wintry matrix]

The way it was worded it gave off bit of jest vibes im sorry

[tacit basalt]

Does anyone have anything about why they were taking the light creatures though?
I know someone who said it was for turning them into energy for some reason.
I'm a bit new looking into the lore and I've been making assumptions based off of the gameplay and not actually looking more into it,

[grave laurel]

yaa same here, i was like “yay the expert has arrived!l

[hushed steeple]

nah my bad. it was in reference to a meme

[wintry matrix]

Their light was used to power upd darkstones, especially the big one in eden

[tacit basalt]

Oh-
So they were killing them basically?

[trail drum]

I had a feeling that merchant was Stewie's parental figure
If you will excuse me I still have more tears i need to flush out from my eyes

[grave laurel]

have you seen the manta mincer aka the forest elder temple?

[tacit basalt]

Thats horrible what 😭😭 surely there had to be a better way

[tacit basalt]

Yah!

[wintry matrix]

Yeah the contraption in forest temple is huge darkstone press and the squares around are flooded belts with darkstone capsules

[mossy moss]

WHAT? MANTA MINCER?

[tacit basalt]

I just didn't think it was anything too serious, like I thought it wasn't what it looked like.
Only because sky seems like such a calm game

[grave laurel]

manta mincer.

[mossy moss]

MANTA MINCED MEAT?

[grave laurel]

manta minced light
also- the underwater labs at treasure reef

[trail drum]

Anybody noticed there was a parallel with how both Stewie and the orphaned boy were given one last thing before their parental figures were gone? Stewie was given a butterfly, sometimes butterflies can represent change, meanwhile the orphaned boy was given a diamond shaped pendant by his mother before he probably had to leave her seeing as he hugs her tightly for one last time

[tacit basalt]

I honestly feel like they had it coming with knocking the balance the life there seemed to have.
I'm sad innocent people got caught in the fire though.

But damn... The lore of this game is pretty dark

[noble ferry]

i think there used to be darkstone veins in the Treasure Reef mine but the ore veins there are all mined out now

[tardy vapor]

Where you die in each run through in an destroyed castle with a large, very angrily vibrating large diamond and the only npc are all dead

[wintry matrix]

If you chibi fall down there you can even see the feeder tubes to the machine

[tacit basalt]

Oh my god 😭😭😭

[mossy moss]

so forest temple is basically a big inhumane artificial star factory

[hushed steeple]

yep i felt the same way when i first got into the lore

[wintry matrix]

Yes it was first industrial site before it moved to wasteland

[noble ferry]

one of many
i believe the mantas you free after the forest elder cutscene were once used in diamond manufacturing

[tacit basalt]

It's so sad legit😞😞

So labs at treasure reef and mana light mincer in the rain forest. Was each domain used for different harvesting purposes?

[mossy moss]

so the reason why the rain absorbs light is because its polluted?

[wintry matrix]

Those big uoside down bells you can find not only in forest temple were capture devices

[tacit basalt]

Luca the expert helping all of us 🙏🙏💕

[tardy vapor]

I had a very strong hunch getting into the game, but abyss and aurora basically confirmed it. Shattering was just an added bonus when I returned to sky lmao. Here, a small angry red rock for you

[wintry matrix]

There was supposed to be one in birds nest too but it didnt make it to the game #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[tacit basalt]

Who drew all of these layouts of the machinery?

[wintry matrix]

In game? Likely Teth (forest elder)

[tacit basalt]

I see.
Well, I got alot to look for now about the lore.

My guesses and everything were so so off

[mossy moss]

can someone list all the names of all the elders

[wintry matrix]

I have this one lorechat resources copypasta, lemme find it

SKY LORE RESOURCES FROM LORECHAT

speculative sky timeline by TheLuca - #lore-discussion-spoilers message

world of Sky direction guide by Theluca - #lore-discussion-spoilers message

very tiny nutshell timeline summary by Void of Shattering - #lore-discussion-spoilers message

eden king brainrot by Nekovo - #lore-discussion-spoilers message

Alef/Resh collage by kamilico - #lore-discussion-spoilers message

infolist by Le Tomte - #lore-discussion-spoilers message

different humanoid species in Sky by Le Tomte - #lore-discussion-spoilers message

Two Embers videos masterpost - #lore-discussion-spoilers message

Two Embers locations: trailer VS game - #lore-discussion-spoilers message

Tom Zhao concept art website - https://www.tomzhao.com/sky1

[tacit basalt]

Thank you 🙏

[normal ermine]

Im theorising
and also doing this in my spare time.
#screenshots-and-videos message

[tardy vapor]

Don't think so. Dawn elder was against it i think, praire must have been a capture site? Idk about valley and i doubt any "manufacturing" was going on in vault, maybe just storage of, well, knowledge and stuff

[hushed steeple]

prairie elder seems nice until you realize why they were capturing the butterflies in jars,, 😭

[wintry matrix]

Very important note that the names are no longer canon unless tgc reuses them in TTE

[tardy vapor]

Sorry, but i doubt you'd capture butterfly's for not nefarious purposes. What do you want to do with them?

And that's not... evil?

[wintry matrix]

Butterflies were not processed the same way you process light for darkstone, they were only stored in jars (seemingly willingly based on prairie temple cutscene), when you burn out fabric lid out of the jars, you can make the butterflies fly out while darkstones get.. well… just lit up

[hushed steeple]

sorry

[normal ermine]

I'm guessing the jars were used to open the doors in hidden forest (yknow, the ones that require our candle light to open?)

[wintry matrix]

Before alef came ancestors were close with nature, we can see small villages scattered everywhere in dawn parts of trailers rather than big cities, i dont think they even thought off about killing at that time. The butterfly jars also disappear and are replaced with light processing gold jars the more you progress through realms and the amount of darkstone appearance gradually increases as well, prairie likely held their enviroment friendly status until very end or fell to darkness before the shattering even happened (people migration to golden valley etc)

[wintry matrix]

Those use darkstones

This is the mechanism you are talking about, right? I did not properly document forest cave yet but I do have photos of the mechanism from there in pc too and they are darkstone based, the only butterfly jars there are used near hairtousle teen and in one wl cave, both to get up #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[normal ermine]

There's also the murals that depict boats carrying the jars to hidden forest (right after entering the first door of hidden forest, there are boats there).

[languid kestrel]

You know what that sounds like to me? Almost like mario swimming in SM64

[wintry matrix]

There was person who had whole essay about prairie - forest trading route but they left with increasing lorechat traffic while ago

[normal ermine]

Dear lord, hopefully they didn't get run over or something.

[plush timber]

was that mentioned in the concept art ?

[normal ermine]

No, it's in-game.

[plush timber]

great i must check it then 👀

[wintry matrix]

Who knows where they are, I myself never dipped into analyzing those murals too much but it seems like forest was trading butterflies for darkstones with prairie in early days (before the big diamond was made), prairie received charged darkstones they used in various mechanisms and boats and forest received jars with butterflies that were processed into light to charge up those very first darkstones

[tardy vapor]

Admit it Luca, how big is your excel spreadsheet

[wintry matrix]

What excel spreadsheet i keep the stuff in my head

I got the terrible at math good at naming every single pokemon and remembering unimportant stuff autism

[tardy vapor]

Oh wow dude, alright. Even friends who hyperfixate have some sort of mind maps or spreadsheet to sort stuff, I really respect the ability to do it without

[wintry matrix]

I only have my timeline document and the photos i shared here

If anything i find spreadsheets confusing lol

[tardy vapor]

Holy brain. My memory failed me as soon as I graduated xd

[tardy vapor]

Fair enough, I also struggle making some I like

[tacit basalt]

What are these things on the boats?

[wintry matrix]

Butterfly jars

[tacit basalt]

Did they transport the butterflies from place to place

[wintry matrix]

If you scroll up a bit theres answer

[tacit basalt]

Ooh 😣😣
My bad, thank you!

[simple saddle]

They've been called memory lanterns in the game

[wintry matrix]

Memory lanterns have different shape

[simple saddle]

Ah yeah makes sense my bad

[tacit basalt]

So it was all one big trading system between the different parts. But for all the wrong reasons.

[simple saddle]

Possibly. Maybe they thought they were doing something good when they really weren't

[tacit basalt]

Killing animals and taking light to sustain, it's just all wrong.
Life in this game seems to have a balance that needs to be met, and that just seemed to throw it off so bad. Guessing by the dragons and everything

[simple saddle]

Right
But in parallel with the human world, there was a time when we justified hunting for sport

[tacit basalt]

Ooh yeah-

[wintry matrix]

Hmmm they likely did not see it as bad thing first, it was industrial revolution. When the giant crystal was made, it was accepted by people of eden (mural in map 1 and 2 transition room) but not much by rest because people started to get really sick and their light creature companions were confiscated to be processed into light as the crystal demmanded more and more light. At the end (just a theory) it consumed so much light that it ended up serving as beacon/artifical sun to prevent darkness spreading further (one mural in seasonal map oob hints to it too), thats why it gets dark so fast when theres blackout even when it was bright sunny day minute before

[simple saddle]

The industrial revolution is a strong theme in the game
"You cannot eat money, oh no…"

[tacit basalt]

So it just kept needing more without them knowing the outcome basically. But wasn't there ways they could've avoided it or at least seen the warning signs before that?

Also in part one there was the ( assuming Prince or king or something)
Hovering before the giant crystal before it burst. Did that character have a play in the eventual explosion

[wintry matrix]

It likely went past the point where anything could be done

[tacit basalt]

Sorry if I'm asking questions that are easy to see btw, I have a black and white thinking sometimes and need to see outside of my own perspective

[simple saddle]

The same way we have to convince people the negative effects of certain carbon-related activities are actually real?

The old intro literally said, "If only they had listened…"

[tacit basalt]

I really wonder what they were telling the people about the sickness and what the cause was.

[wintry matrix]

The explosion was equal to nuclear failure #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[tacit basalt]

That's interesting and also really devastating

[plush timber]

its really referring irl worries

[wintry matrix]

Part of forest was saved thanks to granma for being really powerful spirit and redirecting the shard away from her table, she is the only spirit with more than one star on cape and her table holds symbol of protection. The little forest garden has some strong magic applied too, there still are shards (just like in elevated clearing) but those two locations (and to some degree treehouse too) are only living parts of surface forest, one being protected by granma and second either by forest elder or nesting guide but this is whole new can of worms

Rest of the kingdom didnt really have that much luck

[tacit basalt]

Also in edin, when you get to the last stretch. There's a lone statue separated from the others and is the closest one to the broken crystal, do you think that was the person that was hovering in front of it in part one?

[wintry matrix]

As far we know nothing is left of the king

[tacit basalt]

Damn...

Thank you for all of the useful info btw!
I'm now finally going to go to bed for work.😭

[distant pebble]

||nothing like reading through 576 messages||
imagine Stewie -ing at everyone

[distant pebble]

Lamed is the same size or at least around the same size as in game (a head taller that average ancestor)
Tsadi is around 2 ancestors long if not taller according to in game models so i dunno still could be huge

[delicate anvil]

i wasn't here to play during shattering and still need to catch up on the lore, what exactly caused the explosion?

[noble ferry]

Unknown right now

Maybe an overload of darkness or light? We still do not know.

[wintry matrix]

Think of it as certain power plant failure in ukraine or japan

(Why are names of those power plants in forbidden words huh)

[delicate anvil]

Like, for example caused by the extensive exploit of light creatures for power?

[wintry matrix]

Im siding with it was a failure, either control systems failed or resh tried to pump more juice in it than he should

[normal ermine]

I think it's from the overload of light. It would certainly explain the constant beacon of light after it had shattered.

[delicate anvil]

Do we know a timeframe for when that happend? like, how long has it been

[noble ferry]

500 years since the events of TTE part 1

[plush timber]

500?

[wintry matrix]

Yes canon 500 years

[delicate anvil]

Ohh ty! I sadly can't watch tte because im switch exclusive, so i fear I'm missing out on a lot of lore details😭

[distant pebble]

tbh we still see there being light in dawn era going out of the mountain
could be just the light from the cycle
explosion is either overload or someone hitting the diamond real hard but seems less likely to me

[normal ermine]

Do we all agree that Vault of knowledge is just a big time capsule?

Now that I think about it... It's kind of tragic how years of research and memories have been stored, only for centuries later that the new species (skids) has no dang clue how to use or even read their language.

[plush timber]

the series prob will show the event that lead to shattering ig

[distant pebble]

i'd be devastated if i was an acolyte there

[plush timber]

did soneone have issues watching the seires on ipad? my friend didnt hear audio for most of the screening

[normal ermine]

Absolutely! Hopefully we'll also get to explore golden wasteland (the non green one) more. I really wanted to know what the HECK were they doing with the dark water.

[delicate anvil]

adding onto this question, do we know since when sky kids have existed?

[distant pebble]

probably since gratitude

[normal ermine]

I'd say somewhere after 500 years had passed.

[delicate anvil]

that's awfully short.. we YOUNG young 😭

[distant pebble]

i mean we already spawn ≈ (imo) 5 years old and are often getting reborn so yeah we're pretty young
like some sort of.. children

[round salmon]

Tbf they are designed very much to be child-esque from the get-go.

[distant pebble]

they being children of the light?

[simple saddle]

A revelation

[plush cave]

Hello all, I’ll be cleaning up the chat a little bit

As mentioned in the blogpost, it is not allowed to upload / distribute entire chapters commercially. Please keep the rules as stated in the blogpost in mind: https://bit.ly/SeasonofTheTwoEmbers

[sour sphinx]

I did see Anxious Angler with her kid in the episode. It's the scene where the kid takes a look at a toy where the Dusk Ember is

Personally I'm planning on looking for my big sis Cackling Cannoneer in the series. That is IF I'm able to

[plush timber]

they're also there??

i need to check which spirits show up in the quest

[sour sphinx]

So far I've seen Anxious Angler and possibly the Ceasing Commodore

[round salmon]

I would not assume that's Anxious Angler, their face is not shown throughout the video and we only see that they are wearing a shawl that is much shorter compare to the spirit.

[winged bison]

omg, the mention of that kid made me remember something
I noticed that in one of the trailers that same kid is seen with their arms covered in crystals [part where Dusk Ember is giving them a candle] while in the first episode their arms are completely clean. Poor kid

[sour sphinx]

Yeah that's true.

[round salmon]

Spirits in GW tend to wear a variety of clothing that fits their culture, the shawl can be a type of piece used there.

[plush timber]

i saw someone find mellow musician

[sour sphinx]

I was thinking about that

[plush timber]

where did you find anxious angler because iirc i saw them walking not in a tent

[sour sphinx]

I believe I found them with a kid when the Dawn Child is selling (or trading) toys

[winged bison]

you see them in three shots I think of possibly anxious angler
one in a trailer, second where they walk away woth their child, third is when the lights go out and they're in the crowd

[round salmon]

thank you for pointing this out, hopefully it is the kid from the first episode.

[robust flare]

The lanterns have diamonds, not flame

Just popping in
See you later, lore chat!

[plush timber]

noo they're gonna get darkness sick

[winged bison]

99% sure it is, second I saw them I was like - NOOOO you're going to get sick

• you got possibly anxious angler on the right, which you see them with in the episode so very sure it is the same kid and look exactly the same gaahahah

[round salmon]

Whatever floats your boat, I'm just glad people are having fun finding allusions and theorizing.

Speaking of boats, can't wait to see the Dawn section of the film and how that'll get translated over to the game version.

[winged bison]

so much fun, love lurking everyone elses thoughts and theories
same Dawn Ember [part 2] is going to be a heavy hitter one considering mention to be the darker part of the serious

[round salmon]

mhm

[plush timber]

eheh a lot of stuff is gonna make sense during part 2

[jaunty laurel]

I have a silly non-cannon idea. What if chibi falling puts you into some backroom-esk place in sky. And the more you travel within the more mesmerizing areas you discover

[plush timber]

that aren't explict shown/explained during part 1

[round salmon]

Hopefully a parent won't become absent/die with Dawn like Dusk's did.

[valid dagger]

Ohh, you haven't watch the skyfest last year yet?

[winged bison]

that one beginning trailer of Dawn Ember's parent possibly dying with crystal sickness on their arm

[mossy moss]

So oobs are technicallu different levels of sky backrooms

[round salmon]

Pretty sure I did but I've probably forgotten what happened, it's been a year since that event. Please do lighten me what happened Izashiki!

Ah right thank you lurker!

[plush timber]

i'm focusing the first part where toymaker is shown and pretend they didn't die during the rest of the ep

[valid dagger]

More information, dawn ember parental figure is really look alike with ushering stargazer spirits. And in their memory, it is explained that one day, they found a child of light fallen from the sky and maybe decided to take care of them. That child is theorized to be the dawn ember

[round salmon]

Here's some backrooms
#screenshots-and-videos message

[winged bison]

found the image

[round salmon]

I keep forgetting about that figure ngl, they are so lovely from what I remember. Truly tragic.

YEAH THEM

[midnight root]

Dawn Ember
haha yes I totally know what/who that is, yes, definitely ha ha

[plush timber]

iirc the first aurora's quest

[winged bison]

Dawn ember is the kid in the picture above
they're going to be the 'protagonist' of part 2

[plush timber]

tgc stop making me cry challenge; failed

i'm lowkey anxious they're gonna show the trials

[round salmon]

How come? Like why anxious I mean.

[midnight root]

So... the main character in chapter 1?
Saw this week's movie, but didn't realize they have a name. How did y'all get this?

[valid dagger]

Me too, and also, i'm really looking forward for dawn ember coronation after completing the trials.

[plush timber]

because the trials need to have only a survivor and alef was the one who won

[round salmon]

The two progagonists are Dawn and Dusk. They are given it because of the two places they are seen in. The one from chapter one is Dusk while Dawn is the one from the picture and old teasers from last year.

[plush timber]

plus if the boat scene showed a lot of kids and if they were sent to trials

[round salmon]

So you are anxious people are gonna die or something?

[midnight root]

Whoa!
It's getting a bit much for me as I'm still processing this week's chapter 😅

[plush timber]

no i'm curious but idrk trials are traumatizing

how they're gonna handle stuff abt the prophecy

[round salmon]

Take your time, chapters show every week and we only have the first 13 minutes of the film. You will have many weeks to fully understand as more comes out so don't worry.

[winged bison]

First picture: The main protagonist in Part One, the one we're watching right now is called Dusk Ember
Second Picture: The main 'protagonist' in Part Two is Dawn Ember [the one wearing teal, ignore the kid on the left]

[valid dagger]

I feel like the sacrifice is always be sky main theme. Like the prophecy trials, it's require childrens sacrifice for winning the trials. The king made a choices to sacrifice himself in order to let the new generation be born. And lastly, us the skykids having to sacrifice our wl to save the fallen and spirits of ancestors

[round salmon]

That's fair Ray! Who knows if they add the prophecy or not, would definitely be dark albiet cool though in my opinion. I'm a trials and eden uber so I feel nothing from a gameplay sense.

"Sacrifices for the greater good" my beloved trope

[winged bison]

kind of curious if we see progression of the kingdom throughout part 2, would we see Dawn Ember slowly grow up at the same time
going by the heavy belief Dawn Ember is The Ruler

[round salmon]

Would love to see that too. I love history and worldbuilding a lot especially in sky. But then again, who doesn't like that aspect of sky hehe.

[plush timber]

a great trope but i won't be emotionally ok after/hj

[copper saffron]

two embers is going to make me not ok

[muted salmon]

I had a few pictures posted here yesterday (#lore-discussion-spoilers message should move it to #screenshots-and-videos heh) and now I wonder about that water source... is it actually polluted/darkwater or clean water? no way a leaking pipe towards the Vault would be even clean...

[sour sphinx]

Yes I feel like it's going to be sad in the later season and series 😭

[plush timber]

calm before the shattering storm

[round salmon]

They've stated it'll get darker in the second half so there will be waterworks folks

[plush timber]

fr

[sour sphinx]

I've seen that as well 😆

[plush timber]

the whole boy becoming king plot point is so directed at alef that is lowkey

[sour sphinx]

Well the King will probably be involved in the dark/sad moments

We'll have to see once the second part of the Two Embers is released

[winged bison]

yep! It was mentioned the second half will be darker

[plush timber]

ahah i'm in danger- cit

[sour sphinx]

Heck there'll be more waterfalls from our faces

[muted salmon]

the neo-lore chat (and some of the staying lore chat vets) walk out of two embers part two looking like the crying child from fnaf

[normal ermine]

Wait, if we're going with the belief that Dawn ember is The Ruler... Then WHO is the first skid???

[plush timber]

we're not immune to part 2 angstness/j

[sour sphinx]

The Dusk Ember could be the Hopeful Stewart

[muted salmon]

I think you can still consider the Ruler/Dawn as the first skykid

unlike true skids like us though, Ruler's "skykid"-ness is him being able to go through all four trials iirc

[plush timber]

wasn't it said or theorized first skykid/ruler to be the same person

[normal ermine]

Yeah, but they clearly have PARENTS (all skids are canonically orphans)

[plush timber]

you mean ushering stargazer?

[normal ermine]

I went on a humongous rant to myself about how it makes perfect sense for the ruler to be the first skid.

[round salmon]

To be frank, Skykids are essentially like the evolved forms of ancestors considering they are referred to be descendants to them in some instances and originate from the same place in the scheme of thing. Think of it like how birds are reptiles I guess.

[winged bison]

imagine falling from the sky being born in a new world only to be thrown into deadly trails, then forced to run an entire kingdom because the prophecy says so

[plush timber]

legit crashing out

[winged bison]

can understand Dawn having internal beef with everyone over that 😭

[muted salmon]

hey, ruler had help from the other elders, the last prophecy mural had him sharing his newfound power to them (if that's how you guys interpret it)

[normal ermine]

I meant Dawn ember, it wouldn't make sense of how dawn and the ruler to be the same person. If they really are a skid, how the HECK do they get to have parents, and we don't??

[muted salmon]

actually, maybe the "falling from the sky" part is metaphorical, since every creature already does it, Dawn is just "the Chosen One"

[plush timber]

idunno

[round salmon]

I always envisioned personally that Alef looked up the Elders and very much saw them as their equal even if he in question was the defacto ruler of Sky but the whole situation with trials/prophecy was like a "gifted student" situation where he internally had his doubts/mental issues over it. (THIS IS JUST A HEADCANON)

[hushed steeple]

Dunno if having parents is a retcon yet. I would like to see Alef fall from the sky. Unlikely at this point?

[valid dagger]

Maybe because some ancestors (the ushering stargazer) decided to adopt them while us are orphan because... who would adopt us if everyone is basically all dead?

[muted salmon]

silly theory: Dawn Ember was entering the Dawn Temple when he fell through a crack into the trials cave, thus getting "falling from the sky" part of the prophecy because he totally did

[hushed steeple]

I like superman theory (hes adopted)

[plush timber]

burned out gifted kid syndrome

[muted salmon]

he tries to stay calm by aurafarming over the eden diamond and keep the lights on

[hushed steeple]

But instead of superman they adopted Anakin 😭

[round salmon]

He tries very hard to be the best as a ruler and ultimately it goes over his head (the shattering and hunger for power).

[winged bison]

personally I see them as the first sky kid, I think one of the most interesting things is that The Ruler is seen flying, well levitating, like a skykid would and still alive for so many generations
I think what makes them slightly different to our sky kids is that they seem to have grown up in Dusk Ember's timeline, since I think it has been said sky kids cannot grow up? then again could easily say the Ruler is like wearing one of those trench coats where they stand on someone's shoulders who's hiding underneath it, leading them around making it look like they're an adult

[normal ermine]

Oi, just because a spirit has the exact same hairstyle as the one we saw in the trailer, that doesn't mean they're the exact same person. 🫵

(It's like pointing at a bald guy and saying "Oh look, it's Resh")

[round salmon]

PLEASE OMG I WOULD DIE IF HE WAS A KID IN A GIANT CLOAK

[wintry matrix]

Ancestors doesnt come from same place as skids and elders

[hushed steeple]

Evolved spiritually I guess

[normal ermine]

Hey, it's takes YEARS to grow, the only reason why we don't really grow is because we keep throwing ourselves into Eden.

[wintry matrix]

Ancestors are neutral creatures while skids and elders come from same origin (source: tgc japanese livestream around 2019/2020)

[winged bison]

that's a good possibility too

[noble ferry]

eden elder is just three skykids in a trench coat
source: it came to me in my imagination 🌈 ✨

[muted salmon]

I mean... we kinda do? sort of? the height gets randomized after getting a slice of the Eden cheese

[wintry matrix]

Trench cost

[round salmon]

Real /j

[hushed steeple]

Y'think Alef had light charge or lost it when becoming Resh? Do the light part of sky kids come from him, or creatures he harvested?

[wintry matrix]

How much for the trench so we can accurately measure the resh

[normal ermine]

Translation:

Ancestor origin: a large book of evolution pops up

Elders and skids origin: magic.

[noble ferry]

also hilarious pfp btw 😭 😭 😭 😭
funnily enough, a friend of mine made an asgore truck meme but resh version 😭 😭 😭 😭

[round salmon]

Omg thank you my friend made me that as well 😭

[muted salmon]

Eden Elder is a skykid standing on a crab standing on a manatee /j

[wintry matrix]

What is asgore truck meme im scared

[normal ermine]

Steal his look.

[round salmon]

Wait can I DM and see the comparison

[muted salmon]

deltarune meme after chapter 3+4 came out, it's based on a gif from Open Season about a certain goat bergentrucking a deer suspected to be the main villain

[wintry matrix]

The emoji reaction make it look like noelle got isekaid by truck driven by asgore

[round salmon]

Not noelle 😭

[muted salmon]

no, that would be the older sister who gets isekai'd by Asgore's Ford F150

[plush timber]

yes thats how lowkey what happened exp is december noelles sister

[wintry matrix]

???? 😭😭😭😭

[muted salmon]

I don't really understand it either, and I played Deltarune

[wintry matrix]

I played only prologue of deltarune when it came out but i played all routes in undertale and im super confused

[normal ermine]

How did we go from talking about who Resh is to "haha, funny deltarune meme" ???

[round salmon]

BECAUSE MY PROFILE PICTURE

[noble ferry]

me 😭
i blame me 😭

would love to send the meme in question my friend made but it contains bad words and it's not mine obv and idk if they posted it anywhere except in a server im in 😭 😭 😭

[muted salmon]

I have no idea honestly
anyway the keywords are "asgore runs over dess", "open season he ran into my truck", "asgore trap remix" if you want to go search

[plush timber]

reshs involved in that meme

[hushed steeple]

Its what happens when people take a "what happened to them" and a "why did character get blamed" very very funnily.

Thats why its RELEVANT

[round salmon]

for everyone who wants to see better

[normal ermine]

I KNOW, AND I HATE THAT THE FACE IS INCLUDED.

HE LOOKS SO DEVIOUS.

[muted salmon]

ayo that's the face of a guy who totally hit a diamond too hard

[plush timber]

i hate this /j

[normal ermine]

Im gonna download this and send it to em.

[wintry matrix]

Send it elsewhere
wink wink

[muted salmon]

though if there's a gif version, maybe post in #sky-memes? for the brevity

[nimble ingot]

Aw man, to think that memes about resh coming back was not in my cards for 2025 lol

[wintry matrix]

Hit diamond so hard his face got diamond shaped relief

[noble ferry]

Nah it has bad words

[round salmon]

Would it be okay since the meme hints at violence to it? 😭 (mine has a second pic to it, nothing major)

[muted salmon]

actually that's a good point... what did resh hit in the gif anyway? the elders? the eden diamond? stewie?

[plush timber]

your pfp 😭

[round salmon]

In my friend's pic, the dusk child lol

[normal ermine]

Not unless the people know what deltarune is (that's the face hed make if he destroyed the world on purpose)

[noble ferry]

in the meme, it's stewie running over resh with a manatee

[plush timber]

lore accurate

[nimble ingot]

Dont mind this fossil of a resh meme from 4 years ago in this channel
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[muted salmon]

in the source material, the hunter was just thinking, which is why this is all funny lol

[round salmon]

True lol, I'll ask my friend later if it's okay I wouldn't want to overstep. I already told them to post it on social media but they are not one for that.

[muted salmon]

can always #contact-the-mods maybe and ask there?
...wait no it asks you to go to #questions-and-help
actually yes it's a gif with harmful tones

[winged bison]

late but this

[round salmon]

BASED

[noble ferry]

OH MY GOD I KNOW THE PERSON WHO MADE THAT RESH MODEL 😭 😭 😭 😭

[sharp shore]

Yeah but im just saying theyre not atrociously tall as our skykid perspective

Lameds a shortie so if we ever see Tsadi he might tower over the people but not as much as our skykid

[plush timber]

lamed's face is gold

[wintry matrix]

i thought that was sah on top lol

[muted salmon]

wait who's the second skykid, the first is obviously stewie

[normal ermine]

POV: he found out he was gonna be the ruler, but he is to young. So he comes up with this.

[round salmon]

third secret skykid NEW LORE GUYS JUST DROPPED /j

[wintry matrix]

top one has alef hair, middle looks like shivering trailblazer and bottom one looks like very tired timid bookworm

[muted salmon]

...you got all that from the hair?

[wintry matrix]

yeah

[muted salmon]

honestly, considering part two's more likely to be set in the first three realms, really understandable them kids get to mischief

[wintry matrix]

also lost ark in background

[muted salmon]

probably just their boat

[sharp shore]

Hang on part 2 is directly after this season right

[noble ferry]

yep

[sharp shore]

Thank god

[muted salmon]

6 months of two embers

[noble ferry]

i will FEAST

[sharp shore]

Peak fiction

[valid dagger]

Tgc really want us to have emotional damage it seems

[round salmon]

Can you believe it guys
Six months of Two Embers
Woohoo I am so happy about this information /ref

[plush timber]

help the next season is part 2? oh we're gonna get the whole package of emotional damage

[winged bison]

the two underneath dawn are completely random ahwhahaa

[restive locust]

All righty lore chat I forget: which ones resh and which is alef?

[noble ferry]

Sky: The Two Trenchcoats

Also Resh is the fanon name for the king. Alef refers to them as their younger self as the prince.

[restive locust]

Great thanks!

[sharp shore]

THE KINGS CHARIOT SHALL NOT BE STOPPED

[round salmon]

🙏

[sharp shore]

No way i just realized its ur pfp

Reshgore

[round salmon]

HECK YEAH

[noble ferry]

All reshes shall get run over

[round salmon]

Noooo my beautiful monrach 😭

[noble ferry]

Vroom vroom
Peak lore, the reason Eden blew up is because Resh ran over the diamond with a truck

[sharp shore]

Absolute cinema

Someone should make that meme with resh

[round salmon]

If you mean the truck meme, someone did besides the photo

[sharp shore]

No i meant absolute cinema

[round salmon]

Oh right, mb! I would love that so much ngl, could wipe that up in a sec but currently writing an analysis on sky's language. choices choices...

[sharp shore]

I could try drawing it or just photoshop but i deleted photoshop

[round salmon]

If you want, I'd love to see if you do though

[noble ferry]

meow
also i could try drawing resh absolute cinema sometime

[simple saddle]

"I can fix him"
Please don't, he's the reason Skykids (and the game in general) exist

[round salmon]

TRUEEEE

[noble ferry]

Jokes on you
Me and my friends make AU versions of him that are worse ✨

[wintry matrix]

we recently translated few days old interview and part 2 is NOT after part 1 (despite what was said on last year skyfest)

[sharp shore]

AUGHHHHHHHHHHHH

[round salmon]

I assumed that for a while but man, hurts to hear it for real.

[simple saddle]

What in the chronology…

[valid dagger]

It's a canon event, you can't change it 🗣️

[noble ferry]

resh runs over the eden diamond with this yes that's my design😭

[wintry matrix]

theres lot of stuff in it but this might interest some