lore-discussion-spoilers

[eager burrow]

EXCUSE ME THERES ONE IN THE RIVER ???? 😨

[wintry matrix]

Since last year yeah

[eager burrow]

I literally was vibing around the river last night and didn’t even notice; it holy SMOKES thanks for saving me a jumpscare moment!

[wintry matrix]

ok i clicked on it finally and turns out I watched that one yesterday lol

[river veldt]

I noticed that larger worms

• attack faster
• reach further
• grab you for longer
• fling you for further
  than smaller worms!

IMO, I think the size/ hostility difference is due to the location

the sanctuary worms are raised in the open sea rather than a river, thusmore room for activity and more (variety of) food

[sour sphinx]

Ok now that you mentioned that, yes, that is noticeable

[earnest briar]

they also emerge a lot faster too. The river Bobbit has maybe…a 10 to 15 second period between popping out their antennae to check for things? The Sanctuary Bobbit felt like it was popping out every five seconds, and combined with it’s increased aggro range, I just couldn’t catch a break yesterday.

[river veldt]

and it attacks so frequently, too!
right after it misses, it immediately follows up and tries again

[earnest briar]

Alas, if only Krill repellent spells could work on those guys. Then I could go about vacuuming up the Dark dust without fear of Bobbit harassment.

[earnest briar]

yeah, although to clarify what Luca said, it first appeared during last year’s Days of Nature. It didn’t stick around after Nature ended, so the river was Bobbit-free for the next year, but now it’s returned now that Nature is happening.

It’s a lot more chill compared to the current state of the Sanctuary Bobbit, at least.

[wintry matrix]

oh i didnt say it will be there after don

[cobalt palm]

Great video, someone else shared it and I was searching to see if it had already been shared here.
It's a great summary of the life stages through the realms, and how the elders are represented, and a little on the spirits.

[wintry matrix]

sorry for ping but this sky animation popped on my page and I remembered your message right away https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyCg9p1c9G8

[spiral vault]

Yeah I mostly agree, I never thought that Teth was evil, especially from the Vault cutscene where they bow at you

[sour sphinx]

I always see their bows as a sign of respect to us. We returned light to them when they needed it most.
Since they always bow to us whenever we go through the Vault, I have my own theory: what if we're the next heir after the King? I have seen theories that we are a part of the King.

[wintry matrix]

Who is the artist? Please tag them.

[wintry matrix]

I have seen those in relation to the game name itself, being childern of LIGHT and Alef being speculated to be the Light but other sources say megabird is the Light-

[river veldt]

please remove this
we're not allowed to post art that isn't our own on this server

[trim veldt]

Oh okay! Sorry i didn't realize and just wanted to share

[trim veldt]

I just saw this, sorry!
Also, I don't remember as i had this in my camera roll since 2022, but if i remember correctly it was from Pinterest

[wintry matrix]

Pinterest is not credit to the artist.

[wintry matrix]

Lowkey coming back to this but you know how some of spirits have simmilar hair to their elders? Its for sure some idol thing but what if the elders as kids had hair exactly like that i definitely did not get influenced by some fanarts portraying exactly that

[wintry matrix]

Daleth - uhhh rejecting voyager maybe? He has least hair of all three of them lmao

Ayin - waving bellmaker or slumbering shipwright

Teth - if strictly from forest then either shivering trailblazer or tearful light miner but imo praying acolyte hair fits the best

Sah - bowing medalist/proud victor

Mekh - confident sightseeker

Tsadi - courageous soldier

Lamed - honestly anyone is possible lol (polite scholar cuz bald???)

[midnight sonnet]

I tried to get some pictures of the big Bobby

[earnest briar]

I’ve got plenty too. Turns out, those red things on its face I thought were eyes? Those are actually mandibles.

[wintry matrix]

If that was his eyes that would be quite adorable

[wintry matrix]

So you saw him like this?

[scenic pebble]

is there a lore reason as to why i can see the colored butterflies through myself?

[atomic sapphire]

The only reason which I can think of is that since we have some amount of darkstone contents in our body and those butterflies emit coloured light,the darkstone absorbs the emitted light and glows cus our face is dark(because of the mask). It is kind of like neon which absorbs light and emits it during night

[scenic pebble]

makes sense to me

[atomic sapphire]

Tho it is probably just a bug

[scenic pebble]

you can also see it through water
and yes, also through both water and a skid

[atomic sapphire]

Well,water is transparent

[scenic pebble]

nah, not in that way

[atomic sapphire]

Oh the polluted one?

[scenic pebble]

in that way

[atomic sapphire]

Ohh

[scenic pebble]

wait a sec, i'll get a pic of just the water

[wintry matrix]

casually tposing in the underwater trench

[scenic pebble]

wheeze
okay, i will never again use anymore Australian slang Skybot

[atomic sapphire]

Lol bro got his post deleted

[scenic pebble]

the clouds interact in a similiar way with those buutterflies

[atomic sapphire]

Yeah, cus they are transparent(kinda) and can let light pass through them

[wintry matrix]

I love when people make “is it a feature?” theories out of bugs you can see maps without water or clouds if you look through new the days of nature iap cape

[scenic pebble]

it happens more often than you think it would
way more

[wintry matrix]

I keep getting messages flagged and warnings in game for just speaking my mother language

[atomic sapphire]

Yeah, i have also gotten many posts deleted

Dang, i guess p o o is banned
Edit: the question was do mantas p o o

[wintry matrix]

~~something tells me it happened again ~~

[atomic sapphire]

I will go to sleep. It is already 12:14 AM here

[eager burrow]

Get some good rest; maybe the answer to your question will come to you in a dream. ;))

[wintry matrix]

how was the bot sleep command again

[scenic pebble]

aaargh
now with half as much enthusiasm
they gather around you when you sleep

[scenic pebble]

the skybot may have some custom invocation code like Q9B78 or something like that

[spiral vault]

In a way, the Skykids have already inherited the Sky kingdom, but instead of one person we're a whole group of people working together for the greater good

[earnest briar]

yes, something along those lines! I love the propeller hat.

[peak tangle]

YOOO FELLOW ADHD PERSON!!!!
(totally didnt forget to reply to this earlier ;-;)

[wintry matrix]

audhd but close enough

[peak tangle]

audhd??

[wintry matrix]

i was thinking about giving him a big lollipop too

[peak tangle]

never heard of audhd before so i legitimately thought it was a misspelling oops lol

[eager burrow]

Combination of the words Autism & ADHD.

[wintry matrix]

it is autism + adhd

[peak tangle]

wow i just got 1984’d

[peak tangle]

anyway, legitimately never heard or seen the two combined like that. also SAME HERE MY MAN WOOOOOOOOOOO

[eager burrow]

And now you’ve learned something new! ^v^ I think it’s a little clever, but ultimately, it’s quicker to say/type than each separately

[earnest briar]

Me too! Life really likes giving them to people in double packages, huh?

[peak tangle]

i seem to have the triple package lol, i probably have undiagnosed ocd

[wintry matrix]

you got the frequently bought together deal

[eager burrow]

Hmmmm apparently you can’t say c o m o r b i d i t y on here

[peak tangle]

so i have autism, adhd, and undiagnosed ocd, or as i like to call it, “the trio of terror”

[wintry matrix]

wait I never noticed those being painted blue too huh

[peak tangle]

oh thats weird

[wintry matrix]

theres so much blue on all realms buildings, they must have really like blue

[eager burrow]

Ngl, I’d love to see the place at its former glory, paints and colors all new-ish and shining

[peak tangle]

oh i was focusing on the plant LOL

one petal is cyan or whatever and the one next to it is blue

[crystal lantern]

hey uhh can someone give me like a basic breakdown to sky lore? i know like nothing, a whole lot of nothing, and also nothing.

[peak tangle]

unfortunately basic is still complicated

[wintry matrix]

ah here we go again

[eager burrow]

It depends on which theories you want! ^v^

[wintry matrix]

pinned messages are your friend

[crystal lantern]

not exactly sure...

[peak tangle]

well ill leave you guys to explain this stuff as i know just a lil more than them, imma go play sky

[crystal lantern]

oh!

[eager burrow]

What TheLuca said is actually a very good idea, I highly recommend setting some time aside to give the pinned messages a skim or a read! There’s a trove of information to be found. ^v^

Not to mention just searching the word of your topic of interest in the channel search and just skimming through the dif messages you find there. (That’s what I did when starting/still do from time to time)

[crystal lantern]

ty! 😭

[eager burrow]

Np! It’s a lot to take in, so go at your own pace! ^v^ Best of luck!

[wintry matrix]

i should make masterpost of my lore photo spam here lol

[spiral vault]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

here's a very short breakdown of the general Sky story

[crystal lantern]

tysm!

[narrow marsh]

Even so, Lorechat isn't just an archive, but also a place for interaction and engagement. We will always get people asking to learn, and if the experiences of lore vets before are to be of any example, nothing will burn you out of Lore faster than creating expectations in your mind of how other people are or should be.

Questions are a beautiful thing, and if we individually don't have the energy to answer them, surely one of us will eventually. 🕯️

[woeful wharf]

i would love to see what clips and photos we have of the realms back before they fell into ruin, i’ve found them somewhere in the past but am not having luck now, any advice?

[narrow marsh]

We don't have much at all actually! Our first glimpses of in-the-flesh Ancestor society were from concept art and teaser trailers for the upcoming animated series Sky: The Two Embers 🔥

When the show finally comes out, we will get to experience so much of the Ancestor kingdom visually firsthand. 🕯️

[woeful wharf]

thank you!

[sour sphinx]

What I've noticed in the Two Embers, the people are different compared to us. We are born from light and they're not. They're mortal and we're immortal.

[tender creek]

Anybody else seen this creb (beside Grandma's in Forest)? I looked on the wiki and there doesn't appear to be a note about it

[versed blade]

carried there maybe?

[prisma axle]

I've seen it there too, I never realized it was a crab. I wonder what the lil guy is doing there

[wintry matrix]

Its a bug. There are shard eruptions at granmas sometimes and it is one of the crabs that spawns, they are supposed to be underground

[versed blade]

THE SHARD CRABS ARE ALWAYS UNDERGROUND??? terrifying, thanks

[wintry matrix]

Thats how games work. Theres lot of stuff underground/high in the air when it is something that shows up only during cutscene/certain event in game.

[versed blade]

that makes sense it’s just a lil’ scary to think about lol

[narrow marsh]

Wait this may be very interesting; I wonder if at all shard locations, you can OOB below the location and see all the crabs fixed in position... or perhaps only on the day of, at least.

[eager burrow]

If I were more experienced at getting oob, I might of more help. But I do think that hypothesis holds some weight, based on my very limited videogame logic knowledge!

[river veldt]

why do light creatures in DoN (birds, mantas, manatees) fly across the whole map to find and circle you while you fall asleep?

i don't understand this, both from a game mechanic standpoint and a lore standpoint

[scenic pebble]

maybe it's because they are inherently scared of you but also want to bask in your Light
or they worry what might happen to you while you're asleep so they keep watch
i dunno

[wintry matrix]

Yes you can yes i tried

Does not matter what day is, theres even crab in the aviary village pond (spawns only after you use lvl 3 telekinesis emote together with the spirit)

If you use both lvl 1 and lvl 3 emotes and then go out of bounds, it looks like the crab is riding on the fish

[wintry matrix]

They are protecting you from the pollution and thanking you for saving them they circle you when you go clean yourself from the microdarkness too and give you light

[river veldt]

**only while you fall asleep!

[wintry matrix]

No they circle you even when you willingly sit down, you dont have to sleep, your skid even pulls out one (sometimes both) hands out to make perch for them

[river veldt]

do you have pictures/footage of this?

[wintry matrix]

aeroplane

your skid moves arms to direction where the creatures are too

Ever since you free them that day, your skid will do it as long you are on the map (cuz then the creatures respawn back in darkness when you leave and return)

[narrow marsh]

Oh my megan! The most thorough field researcher strikes again

[wintry matrix]

I wasnt able to find the red shard crabs however, only the common corrupted ones so its possible either

1. they “fall” with the shard itself

2. the crystals spawn on them only during shard eruption (or are there whole time but invisible and with no colission)

3. they are stored somewhere else under the map behind wind barrier (like DoC spirits) or reset barrier (like elders)

I found weird purple crabs though, kinda like the pleading child plushies (both size and shape but no texture), even in aviary (by the way aviary has like four different versions depending on where you oob) and recently the spirit statue under vault ground floor got swapped either for a table or small building, hard to tell because it is behind reset barrier without any way to access so there come my hopes for any new vault spirit (it is propably statue for thoughtful director memory imo)

[narrow marsh]

I wish I was good at OOB to witness these things myself, but it's really amazing to hear!

This will all have to be documented, for sure.

[wintry matrix]

I can bring you with me if you want

[narrow marsh]

That'd be cool!

[earnest briar]

Your mention of purple crab plushies is reminding me of that preview image for Days of Color, where it looked like a Sky Kid was playing something like a carnival beanbag toss game with a crab plushie dyed a different color than usual. Based on the different Days of Events having had the event Spirit guide appear in Aviary along with decorations matching the theme of the event, perhaps those are there because they were added in advance for Color?

[wintry matrix]

I have the purple crabs screenshoted too but my pc is refusing to cooperate (preparing to update windows for like half a hour already)

[wintry matrix]

Maybe but those are purple in terms that the model itself is purple, they dont have any texture. The model is just rich purple instead of default white/gray

I would understand if those were in prairie puzzle area but I found them in aviary and some people reported finding them in other maps too plus I found them in… march? Thats way before DoC preload even existed imo

[earnest briar]

the rare and elusive purple crab

[wintry matrix]

Whole bunch of them actually, there were like 5 or 6 together

I also wanna check whats in that black square behind wind barrier in aviary (its propably indoors of some shop or maybe the very first version of aviary before you even start the quest) but it is super far away

On the left side (facing away from the tower) behind cloud wall

[wintry matrix]

trheres some ofm them

theres also winter granma under aviary

and 500 winged light gate but i dont have screenshot of that one

[eager burrow]

Excuse me, 500??? Woah—!

[wintry matrix]

yeah but I heard that one is just easter egg for OOBers just liek the plane in wind paths

theres boeing 747 flying above wind paths that works as chat bench too

[eager burrow]

Ohh okay, gotcha. I was gonna say, that’s literally impossible with current spirits/WL

[wintry matrix]

it is 15 flaps gate i think

[eager burrow]

Ooooh… 15 wings/wedges sounds so nice

[wintry matrix]

13 flaps is 250 wl iirc and it goes up by 50

[eager burrow]

It goes up by 50 once you hit 100

[wintry matrix]

yeah i was just editing it lmao

[eager burrow]

Read your mind lol ;))

[wintry matrix]

gasp two suns? in my aviary?? are we on tattooine?

[wintry matrix]

three little piglets

hmm since they changed aviary with season of radiance update, there really arent any interesting things and surprises in aviary oob anymore the only map that still has the old aviary is nest and that one is behind reset barrier

there are those weird crabs and the 500 wings gate and thats like it

not any hidden carvins on the wall or anything

[wintry matrix]

big piggy

anyways vault elevator before activation

[eager burrow]

Ooooooh that’s a neat shot!

[wintry matrix]

i couldnt move much there cuz theres "superglue floor" aka two ground layers very close to each other and your feet touch the bottom one while rest of your body is clipping above the top one and your whole avatar violently shakes because of that and you cant move around much

it is hard to describe over text, you have to see it to understand (and i dont know how to record on pc, i have amd, not geforce and running obs makes my games laggy for some reason)

[wintry matrix]

prairie alo has some interesting stuff under, like the remmants of light awaits quest (it is still possible to make that boat move but you need two peaople) and whatverer this is (does nothing when i burn it and theres white candle above it)

[sour sphinx]

I'm guessing that's a foreshadowing from the far future

[soft timber]

500 WL to see the King probably lol

[wintry matrix]

some intense petting session here honestly lets make petition to let stewie go with us next year i think they would absolutely love it

i wonder if this means that all domesticated light creatures can be called by just single gesture, just like pterodactyls in dinotopia

[wintry matrix]

of course he has to be extra 🙄 those chosen ones and their egos, smh

[eager burrow]

Idk, but that should be an actual mechanic. Forget the dog, I wanna pet the manta.

[wintry matrix]

imo mantas kinda are the dogs of sky

[eager burrow]

Ooh, fair enough. Can’t argue that.

The manatees are more dog-shaped (I thought they were seals when I started), but mantas are more dog-vibed.
Idk if that makes sense.

[wintry matrix]

manatees are cats, they sleep all day and are finicky and fly away when you approach them

is finicky the correct word to use here i never used it in sentence

[eager burrow]

Finicky is absolutely a correct word to use when discussing cats and cat-like creatures! ^v^

[eager burrow]

We also have precedent for them being cat-like, with Manatee in the Wonderland Café. Granted, I thought she replaced the Dormouse (a character who sleeps a bunch at the Mad Tea Party) but since the Hatter, the March Hare, and the Cheshire Cat are the more memorable members of the Mad Tea Party, one could also make the argument for Manatee being Cheshy.

[wintry matrix]

wait i thought the manatee in alice café is the caterpillar

[eager burrow]

Ah. Dang it Skybot bonked the message

I was tryna explain that the Caterpillar’s iconic look includes a p i p e that he s m o k e s and that if TGC wanted to make Manatee his replacement, they’d prolly replace the s m o k e with bubbles or smthn

[earnest briar]

The Chesire Cat isn’t even really part of the Mad Tea Party, going off both my memories of the animated Disney movie (which was likely many people’s first encounter with the story) and the book. It makes little sense for the Manatee to be the Chesire Cat. They don’t have the mysterious, somewhat trickster-esque personality of Chesire. They don’t wax philosophy at us. Plus, the Wonderland cafe was specifically done not using elements and aspects from more modern adaptations, and instead focused more on the original story in order to avoid copyright issues. (Cough cough D i s n e y cough cough)

[wintry matrix]

tbh i remember the live action(?) one more than the disney one, it is even possible i never saw (or fully saw) the disney one

just the live action movie and the book is what i remember

we had the book as mandatory reading at school

[distant pebble]

i have a worse idea needing every currency to buy stuff

[wintry matrix]

playing corporate even after his death 🙄🙄🙄😒😒😒

Take good example from megabird, they only require 20 wings as payment for your assisted death every time

[distant pebble]

is it really corporate if he can't do much with that stuff

[wintry matrix]

Well thats his problem he destroyed his own imperium, not mine 💅✨✨✨

[distant pebble]

would you like it to be?
sorry idk what it was supposed to mean
english hard

[eager burrow]

Ooh, excellent points! Even though I read the story, I still regularly forget the Cat doesn’t actually attend the party (I’m also overly fond of Cheshy, so it makes sense I’d put him where he doesn’t belong lol). The Dormouse/Manatee parallel DOES make sense, whereas Cheshire/Manatee is a bit of a stretch.

[wintry matrix]

I looked at manatee and immediately thought of caterpillar without second guessing myself, im yet to check who dormouse is because 100% they are called whole different name in czech

[eager burrow]

That makes sense; localization and whatnot.
The Dormouse/Dormouse is literally just a small mouse at the party, like how the March Hare is just a hare (albeit a crazy one)
Iirc, live-action Dormouse is way more aggressive and ‘let’s do things!’ but book Dormouse is always sleepy/falling asleep at the table (or in the teacups or the trays of biscuits etc etc).

[wintry matrix]

Oh that fella, i totally forgot about them… were they even in the live movie??

[eager burrow]

Yeah, actually! The little mouse with the sword that pokes out the eye of the Bandersnatch

They made the Dormouse more action-oriented and awake in the live-action.

[earnest briar]

The Dormouse has a very intense case of narcolepsy. I believe at one point, either the Hatter or the Hare even has to slather the Dormouse in butter and jam with a butter knife to get them to wake up after they fell asleep in a pot of tea, and I always felt bad when reading that part.

[eager burrow]

Yeah. :((

[dusky mesa]

Hey guys does anyone have any theories of what spirits ACTUALLY are

[eager burrow]

Oooh, I’m sure someone does! I’ll give the search history a look! (If anyone ACTUALLY knows, please share your knowledge! 🙏 ^v^)

[eager burrow]

Found the most recent comment on it from the illustrious Shattered Tomte!

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[dusky mesa]

You are so sweet thank you!!

[spiral vault]

Here's a simpler version I made:

A spirit is a long-dead version of the past ancestors, and they're are a different species than us.

A spirit in-game is comprised of a spirit memory and a dark husk, and by reliving the memory, we reunite the two and make the spirit "whole". Then, the spirit can ascend and fulfill their purpose, allowing them to watch over us freely. They act similarly to ghosts, where they have a sort of magical influence on the world but need our help to do anything physical

[normal ermine]

Sky kids are (in other words) humanoid creatures of light.

walks away

[signal heath]

For me this was a fact since I was a moth, beacause in the german version they are only called "geister" which means ghosts and spirit as well. Would it be only one of those, TGC would had to explain which one the mean. But as it lacks of an explanation, I would guess they are spirits and ghosts at the same time

[open bridge]

Hello, which season in your option is the most lore-heavy one?

[scenic pebble]

Shattering ties with Aurora in my eyes

[pastel brook]

you have a home in the Sky Queendom!

[glad brook]

whats behind the hidden forest lore like

[wintry matrix]

Im super annoying with this one already but it is gonna be two embers season for sure

I will be very surprised if we dont get atleast one new map (i dont count those dark rooms like moomin and blue bird one as new maps)

[wintry matrix]

… ever wondered what elders and some spirits search history would look like? (this may or may not be continuation of them discovering gen z slang convo from before)

[distant pebble]

What lore exactly

[glad brook]

why the rain is deadly

[distant pebble]

Probably poisonous water evaporated
It also a symbol of teen age being very difficult or something

[earnest briar]

it “washes away our Light”, according to the little text popup in-game. Some people think it’s because the rain is very cold, others think it might be polluted with darkness.

[wintry matrix]

It is polluted rain, same water as in wasteland, the actual water surface in forest is harmless however

[wintry matrix]

Coldness also works, yeah! Because the icy water in water trial kills your light as well

Makes me wonder if the debris flying around in eden is not ash but polluted water in form of snow/ice cuz it is high up the mountain

The rain in forgotten ark during days of bloom also washed your light

The one in peaks… honestly im not sure? I barely went there during DoB

All i remember is that when you got hit by lightning it fully charged your light

[soft timber]

I could see a spirit nearly fainting after their favorite Skykid gets struck by lightning and became more than fine afterwards

[earnest briar]

express ticket directly to Megan, but in a much more positive connotation.

[open bridge]

What's two embers season? 😅

Oh. The animation. Nooo will it ever be finished?

[versed blade]

if it’s only coldness, why wouldn’t valley of triumph be deadly?

[earnest briar]

Yes, it will be finished. It’s just that there are going to be Seasons happening in Sky during the release of the Two Embers animation to commemorate it/act as companion pieces to it.

[scenic pebble]

snuffing out the flames of hope is one of the cruelest things one can do

[wintry matrix]

Animated series about Sky kingdom before the stars fell, that will get two dedicated seasons and one of it is officially confirmed to happen in 2025 (“A look at Sky in 2025” article on TGC website) and since beta recently went NDA, it is highly possible that this season is coming after blue bird (its about time too cuz one season is 3 months and there are roughly 6 months left this year)

[wintry matrix]

Theres no liquid water in valley of triumph the only exception is the little fishing holes in village of dreams but you cant dive in those and even in trial of water as long the icy water is below your waist, you are fine (not coinkydink because your flame core is located in your chest which is above waist)

Oh yeah theres also hot springs in valley but the water is… well… hot

Imo it specifically has to be either cold liquid or polluted liquid to drain/kill your light, any other liquid is propably fine

[spiral vault]

That's interesting, I have to wonder about different localization things in different languages

[spiral vault]

It depends on what you define as "lore-heavy".

If you define it as "most focused on a story", then perhaps Little Prince takes the take.

If you define it as "most amount of details introduced the Sky world", it gets even more complicated. Because should it be completely new information, or just old ideas brought to light? For example, we already knew there was a war in Wasteland from the little details, but the Aurora concert directly showed the war and allowed us to see it. Does that count as new lore?

[wintry matrix]

Blue bird so far seems to be lore heavy too as we can see spirits aging up and the season guide herself being just a little toddler at one point

(Sparkler parent as well but she looked bit older than little granma)

[scenic pebble]

where else does this pattern show up?
or does it even?

[wintry matrix]

One of the radiance spirits

[scenic pebble]

hmmm
provoking performer
waves
he comes back to the Forest to clear their mind
i think this symbol may symbolize the natural flow of things or something like that yet still you can see those pretty unnatural angles which are a theme in Anecestral symbology

[open bridge]

Oh and that would also be around the time of sky's 6th anniversary... Damn we will have to save up candles for the celebrations

[open bridge]

But don't we literally go under the lake into frozen water in the valley skating rink? The area under the ice is not hollow, it's filled with water, just that we can skate into the water instead of diving into it

[scenic pebble]

yes it is hollow

[open bridge]

I'd say 'completely new information that relates to the kingdom of sky', meaning not the little prince or moomin collabs

[open bridge]

So this isn't water?

[scenic pebble]

????

[open bridge]

This is valley in 2019/2020. That's why I was always under the impression that that section is under water, because when I was playing it looked like the picture I sent above, and I just thought they changed the lighting of the underwater section of valley because it was too blurry in the past

[scenic pebble]

oh, well, i guess the diving update changed that

[earnest briar]

they took out the water because of the diving and breath mechanics added by Season of Abyss, since as you can probably imagine, they would not mesh together well with the water underneath the ice rink.

So now the ice rink is hollow underneath.

[wintry matrix]

It has no water, its basically ice cave rather than lake

[wintry matrix]

They would need to remove the cake and occasional seasonal candle from there because you cant have fire underwater and there are no darkness plants in valley (outside mandatory dye plants) because of the cold so only maybe clam or random wax clunk would work there, moving the cake elsewhere would make the whole lake pointless outside for going for the wl (even the underwater wl in treasure reef is rewarding because there are four huge clams + blue wax chunk in the room with it)

[winged bison]

made this little thing with the base game spirits, I noticed recently that there's slight differences in some of the spirit's clothing, especially the ones that has that shoulder chest pad thing [idk the name of it haha]
obviously there's the whole thing about spirits and sky kids being genderless, if I recall, but it's interesting to see those differences where the more 'male' looking spirits shoulder chest thing rounded and over the shoulders, while the 'female' looking spirits are pointed and it doesn't go over their shoulders. Also got the ones differences on the right too
just thought it would be fun to put this detail here I found on there seemingly like there's 'male' and 'female' clothing in spirits [as always I know about genderless thing, but this is so specific in clothing fitting with certain group, so it's interesting to see!]

^^ I know this isn't anything interesting or important, so no need to feel to respond to this, having the random detail out there is fun

[wintry matrix]

Thats how switch handles the thin ice on top of the hole that breaks as you enter, onnother platforms it looks like actual layer of ice (i was surprised too when i came to pc from switch)

[wintry matrix]

I would call the chest thing short tabard but thats a flex

Its propably some “uniform” or symbol of status, elders (outside twins because of course they need to be special again 🙄🙄🙄🙄) wear customized and longer version of it as well, some seemingly higher ranking spirits do have bigger (not as big as elders) version of it too, like wise granparent for example… it going bigger/longer can even be homage to how your scarf gets longer in Journey

If the masks are symbol of status too is hard to tell because there are literally kids with masks in hidden forest scene from two embers trailer so no idea what mask VS no mask spirit even means

[earnest briar]

I’m on Switch, and it still looks like ice to me, even on the lowest graphics settings. It just looks a bit thinner than the rest of the ice around it. They specifically mentioned that it was an older picture from pre-Abyss. I think that’s creating some confusion about what we’re all trying to say.

[open bridge]

Not really, i remember it looking the same way in mobile/ipad a few years back. It wasn't a rendering issue back then. But anyways yes it's probably hollow now and not water.

The point still stands though, if that part of valley was intended to be under water originally, and it's most likely cold water because the top layer is frozen, then that means cold water does not drain away your light - only polluted water does

[cobalt palm]

Maybe a Mantle, or hoodless cowl?
Like just the thing that goes over the head and rests on the shoulders?

[wintry matrix]

Yeah could be, its honestly too late at night for me to think of anything better

[midnight sonnet]

The bluebird is a retelling of the ancient Turkic myth of Homay (I can’t unsee it, it has to reference that which may have implications on the Sky Lore)

In Sufi tradition, catching Homay is beyond even the wildest imagination, but catching a glimpse of it or even a shadow of it is sure to make one happy for the rest of one's life. It is also believed that Huma cannot be caught alive, and the person killing Homay will die in forty days.

Homay is often depicted as a blue bird also, and the child of the sun a being of pure light

I thought this would be fun to bring up and how it could connect to Sky with Homay being the Suns Daughter

Like could the bluebird be the daughter of the constellation bird at the end of Eden like Homay is the daughter of the sun?

[distant pebble]

Always thought Valley elders didn't have any because they're younger/more unexpirienced so they are less special

[narrow marsh]

Oh yes, someone mentioned this bird before! I forget if it was @nimble ingot or Sugarfae (who's still taking a break from lore)

But overall, I think the capture of a creature meant to bring luck has been an iconically reiterated archetype for all of human existence. The overall Theme being represented in each and every of these stories, is to respect Nature, and not take for ourselves what should be freely given.
This is certainly a core central Theme of Sky's story. ❤️ 🕯️

[midnight sonnet]

Yeah I’ve read myths of Homay being captured as a sign of bad things to come and it definitely could translate well to a respect nature narrative as it goes with it perfectly

I also think Homay being the daughter of the sun also adds a fun little layer of the fact skykids are children of light which the sun emits

Because we are responsible for our own joy

[eager burrow]

I’ve never heard of this myth/story before!! I’m super intrigued, and really like how nicely you fit it with Sky lore! (also, Daughter of the Sacred Phoenix (MB) = new Sky Religion??? /hj ;)) )

[midnight sonnet]

Homay has many amazing myths

[midnight sonnet]

It could seem likely as they seem to “worship” the bluebird desiring its fortune and joy bringing nature like Homay

And The Bluebird being the child of the Megabird would be so fun as the myth of Homay as the suns daughter (and Samraus son as they are both male and female in some myths) is a pretty rare version of Homay and not spoken much about

And it would explain why the seasonal area of bluebird takes place in a void like space since the bluebirds home is likely with her mother

And it does give lore to the myths of the sky kingdom like maybe they had a pantheon of birdlike deities and Bluebird was one of them

[eager burrow]

You have no idea how much I need a depiction of the Sky Pantheon(s) now; that would be so. Cool!!

[midnight sonnet]

Well we could probably already put at least 2.5 deities in a pantheon already that being Megabird seemingly the god of creation, and Bluebird the god/goddess of fortune and joy the possible child of Megabird (3 if we count the voice aka Aurora as a deity as well)

[pastel brook]

Using emulators is against the Sky TOS, @midnight sonnet. Please don’t use or discuss emulators here.

[midnight sonnet]

I wasn’t doing that I was talking about the action

But okay whatever

So what I was saying it could also explain why flight was seemingly such an important thing in the sky kingdom, if their gods were birdlike in nature they might’ve wanted to mirror their flight to be like their gods and it could explain why most birds were seemingly left unharmed by the factories because birds could’ve been sacred and therefore protected by law or something similar , it also explains why our homes are called nests

[midnight sonnet]

I just remembered: Aurora is a bird when we first meet her.

I need to gather more evidence for this because honestly I haven’t cooked with lore theories in such a long time

[midnight sonnet]

Don’t you worry I’m going to be obsessing over the possible religion of the sky kingdom for a bit now and hopefully I can piece together some kind of theology for you

[dense shuttle]

Does anyone know if this says something in Sky script?

[eager burrow]

There’s a sky alphabet/script??

[spark cairn]

Yep

[eager burrow]

Ooh, is there a post abt it? I couldn’t find one (I was also a bit distracted in my search) but would very much like to so I can help decode/translate! I love stuff like this!

[spark cairn]

Iirc someone on tumblr did it once

[wintry matrix]

They wear ski/sports gear and sporty mask, i can see how that tabard would be inconvenience for them

[wintry matrix]

Is she?

[wintry matrix]

We were tryingto translate this about a month ago but them the discussion about that pretty much died

[midnight sonnet]

Yeah If the concert is anything to go off on and she seems to be a divine presence for the sky kingdom

[distant pebble]

I know
i stopped thinking that by today

[wintry matrix]

Do you have any screenshots of that? Because from memory she was always in human form for me I think?

[distant pebble]

also birds in sky are the only creatures (i think) not based on sea animals and they fly irl

[wintry matrix]

butterflies

[distant pebble]

Insects

[midnight sonnet]

Their one of the only since Butterflies still exist but Butterflies could be somewhat included in the theology of sky (probably a minor role) cause I’m still looking up evidence and any other clues for my theology theory

Like I’m not denying them a possible space in the possible pantheon but I need to focus on what the most clear things are and that’s that birds seem to be pretty obviously sacred animals in the sky kingdom

Sacred enough to remain unharmed by the greed of the kingdom at least which butterflies weren’t

[wintry matrix]

Insects are also creatures wdym 😭

[eager burrow]

Couldn’t find the post. :(( sorry I couldn’t be more helpful with the translation/decoding!

[distant pebble]

i didn't say they're based on creatures
but ig they are cooler than sea based ones cuz they can turn purple

[halcyon wren]

What are lore implications of butterflies being the only Light creatures to have multi color variance? And what makes regular butterflies different from colored butterflies?

[distant pebble]

I like to think plants stain them or something

[wintry matrix]

Different wavelenghts of light

[eager burrow]

I believe the explanation provided during Radiance was that the butterflies get the colored dye/light on them from being in the colored plant.
They then deposit that color to you when you attract them, after which they fly away ‘colorless’ :))

[dense shuttle]

Tysm all!
Happy to know I’m not the only one wondering about this 🤔

[halcyon wren]

Oh I like this! Then there's nothing really different about colored butterflies vs normal in essence. And the reason only butterflies become colorful is they're the only Light creatures smol enough for the darkness to capture (easily that is, we've seen mantas in darkness rarely)

[wintry matrix]

Spirits can also be trapped in darkness plants but the question is if they can be considered light creatures or not (same question as if humans are animals or not)

And before someone jumps at me, we saw instances of spirits getting trapped in them while still alive, for example in tearful miner memory

[eager burrow]

Now, my interpretation is still one of someone who’s learning the finer lore-points, so take the following with a heaping spoon of salt.

But when I first started the game and saw the Tearful Light Miner’s memory, I kind of assumed that was just part of the process of an Ancestor/Spirit dying (when abandoned/giving up). Their body locks up and loses mobility, a harder stone shell forms around them as their light goes out, and then the dark plants take root—like a fungus— due to the lack of light.

I guess my TL;DR would be that it’s the amt of light & mobility of the creature that matters, not the size or sapience.

Like I said, though, this is an interpretation of someone newer to the scene, so please let me know your thoughts/fact-checking! ^v^

[scenic pebble]

in Sky you've done something wrong if your death left behind a body

[wintry matrix]

Yes, only unnatural death leaves a corpse, both for spirits and light creatures, normally every living being returns to the Light

If the concept arts are still somewhat canon (i need someone with artbook to confirm this) then Resh built something that made light creatures unable to cross the city border to enter sacred land (mountain of eden) to become one with the light and enter the process of reincarnation

The “darkstone disease” appearing on ancestors in two embers trailer could also be for same reason, their death was overdue but they couldnt enter eden so their light started slowly fading and turning them into stone /headcanon

[cobalt palm]

I've just had the thought, we have been calling the giant creature in sanctuary the elder manta for a while, but what if they are actually an elder manatee?
The tail, head, and fins match more closely to manatee than manta

[eager burrow]

Hhh! Elder Manateeeee!! Consider the new term adopted!

[wintry matrix]

Doesnt the game call it elder manta though?

If you replay the introduction DoN quest it says something along the lines “elder manta is worried about the little creatures”

[cobalt palm]

Ooh good point, I need to go and check that again

[scenic pebble]

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5cf9836e9d1c5200018df596/1582059340008-1O8HNBSWIGLX8YF1FT8A/117_Sky.jpg?format=1000w

[cobalt palm]

It just says elder on that concept art, but all the others appear to be manta

[scenic pebble]

also, when were the manatees added to the game?
or maybe elder Llight creatures are made in a different way than other ones

[cobalt palm]

I was thinking in comparison to the giant spirit / memory manta in Vault's wasteland floor, as that appears more flat, similar to other manta we see, than the round bodied manatee.

I think the first manatee we saw was in the vortex quests during Days of Nature, i think 2022?

Sorry 2023, 2022 was turtle

[wintry matrix]

Season of abyss i think

[cobalt palm]

I don't recall them in the Abyss area, only the Moments area, prairie peaks

[wintry matrix]

The are not in abyss but earlier When i was looking for that one manatee concept art i found couple of people asking about those and people were answering abyss

I wasnt there during that season (i was eyeing this game for about 2 years before starting to play) so i cant really tell

[cobalt palm]

Oh, in concept art, I think similar creatures as manatee have been around before release

[wintry matrix]

Abyss has some concept art of manatees but the one i was looking for is from the very first sneak on two embers from march 2022

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

Abyss concept art #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[scenic pebble]

||you forgot the butterfly||
i think that's because that was the hierarchy of the Light Creatures in the beginning
a butterfly evolves into a monowing which evolves into a quadwing which evolves into a hexwing which evolves into an Elder
i'm not sure where does either the whale or the bird fit in but what i took from that pic was that Light Creatures can undergo metamorphosis during evolving and so the Elder is to the hexwing as the monowing is to the butterfly
you can even see the many wing theme shared with the other mantas
so, i may be contradicting myself here but i think either the elders are some sort of a fusion between a manatee and a manta or
they're a manta that got fat enough to start growing lower wings
i'm not sure about which may be the case but the issue with it all is that only mantas have a somewhat clear evolution route, whether they fuse with the other species to ascend their forms or they're just somewhere before a monowing in the evolution tree, i have no clue

[wintry matrix]

“fat enough” 😭😭😭😭

[cobalt palm]

Days of Nature cutscene does indeed say Elder Manta

[cobalt palm]

The chonk of the manatee

[scenic pebble]

i'd guess Elder is the end of the first tier of mantas in the pursuit of becoming a whale

[cobalt palm]

Then they become a nine colored deer

[wintry matrix]

Megabird said “aight fatso, you are too big now, se need to balance that somehow” and hit ctrl+c ctrl+v in creature sandbox

[scenic pebble]

then they turn into a big carp
and then they seek to become a dragon

[distant pebble]

what kind of life must a creature have to pursue a transformation into a dragon

[wintry matrix]

Now imagine if stewie still had their manatee, now turned into whale or elder manta and just casually started petting them in the middle of aviary as if that thing wasnt bigger than the whole village already

[eager burrow]

Depends on the dragon, I suppose

[wintry matrix]

You are just spirit sitting at home, doing some bussiness and then you hear loud thud and outside of your window turns white and something is blocking your door when you try to open it to check

[scenic pebble]

i dunno
i haven't seen a dragon in Sky yet, other than the dark ones
i'd guess it must be a pursuit of perfection or something like that

[wintry matrix]

All they have to do is to jump the waterfall upstreams

[distant pebble]

imagine a gigant carp swimming up a waterfall

[wintry matrix]

Thats exactly how that japanese legend goes

[earnest briar]

there’s either a Chinese or Japanese folktale, possibly both, about river carp. River carp swim upstream, and upon reaching a waterfall, attempt to swim up it. Most will fail, but supposedly if a carp successfully reaches the top of the waterfall, they will be transformed into/be reborn as a dragon for the effort, persistence, and dedication it took to achieve this.

If you know Magikarp and Gyrados from Pokemon, that folktale was the inspiration behind them. A fish turning into a dragon.

[wintry matrix]

Fun fact! In legends arceus, in the coronet highlands, theres big waterfall that has magikarp swimming in the lake at the bottom and gyarados flying around at the top

[distant pebble]

I had a thought about that thing of butterflies being a part of sky pantheon
I'll leave a guess that they vere captured cuz they're naive and overly forgiving and maybe go sleep

[eager burrow]

I mean, every pantheon needs a deity of youth :0

[cobalt palm]

OMG the blue bird stage with shards in forest

[eager burrow]

Evil Bluebird confirmed??? /j

[cobalt palm]

Red bird of pain

[wintry matrix]

Look for the moon, maybe the blue bird is actually Madara

The bird is about to activate infinite tsukuyomi

[river veldt]

why are soldier spirits seen wearing so little armor?

[scenic pebble]

the only "armor" in Sky is a helmet and it's mostly an ornamental piece
i'd guess either the army was just for show for far too long or Ancestors are just very sturdy in general so they never came up with the idea of armor
although there was a strange triangular breastplate in early concept art so who knows
and there was actual armor in there too
i dunno why there is none in the end, maybe tgc just didn't want to model it in
https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5cf9836e9d1c5200018df596/1582059566752-UY0250HW5VMP1LS770CZ/165_Sky.jpg?format=2500w

[eager burrow]

I concur with the idea of the ancestors being mad sturdy; if our skids are anything to go by— occasionally (or frequently, in my case) crashing face-first into literal stone structures and just walking it off without a scratch (no cracked masks/body bits)— the Ancestors seem like they could really tank a hit or two (specifically blunt-force) before going down. So either they were weaker and we got stronger or they were already pretty strong and we just inherited that through the cycles/however that works.

[wintry matrix]

I mean if we can survive getting rammed by a krill or getting hit with rock to the face, so can them

There were huge circular shields that they used, maybe that and helmet was enough to go by

[peak tangle]

i like the armor talk
(most likely the military nerd talking with this one lol)

[eager burrow]

Hey, military is an important part of understanding how the old Sky Kingdom functioned! I, for one, have very surface-level knowledge of how any of that works, so deeper knowledge is always appreciated! ^v^

[wintry matrix]

you know what im about to say and yes it is about two embers lmao

[scenic pebble]

well, the mural depictions of soldiers in Sky still have these weird triangles in places of their torsos so maybe the fabled Wasteland giants actually had armor on them

[spiral vault]

Then it's either Shattering, Prophecy or Revival

[spiral vault]

Wounded Warrior might be the closest we have to an actual military outfit, and it's more like a modern piece of clothing than an actual armor.

Maybe with krills, turrets, and magic attacks, armor really isn't that useful

[narrow marsh]

If you didn't see this analysis of Remembrance, it certainly helps a lot! 🕯️
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[eager burrow]

I hadn’t seen it, thank you so much for giving me a link! ^v^ ^v^ ^v^ I appreciate it!

[open tide]

holaaa, quick question, as a partly new player i'm curious, why is a part of the hidden forest sunny ... ? like the grandma area and the rest are raining. is there some sort of explanation about that ?

[eager burrow]

Huh. I hadn’t thought of that! I think maybe the clouds clear up a bit in that area (kinda like how there’s pauses in rainstorms, sometimes the clouds break up)

[river veldt]

ancestors are different from skykids in one crucial way
they're neutral creatures, while we're light creatures

skykids are durable because the light shields us from darkness:
our flaps get drained, before we go extinguished, before we start losing winged lights (our life force)
not to mention, said life force can be re-gathered if lost, and even improved over time

ancestors don't have this privilege

now, that leads to my next question:
how are skykids' general health and well-being?
do skykids get sick? can they get physical injury that harms them directly, because it cannot be shielded by their light?

[river veldt]

• there are holes in the thick clouds surrounding wasteland, which lets a little bit of sunlight through

[river veldt]

I'd like to add Remembrance
The spirit memories let us see what happened in the war
mostly, the atrocities committed by resh's soldiers

[cobalt palm]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message
I can think of a few possible answers

Geographically, it's above some of the layers of cloud, and that includes the caverns which exist below it, which have another layer of cloud below them, so it is pretty high up.

On the life's journey metaphor, during teenage and adolescent years, it's often harder to find the same joy as in childhood, but some things off the main path do still give joy, that may be as simple as going to grandma's for a meal, or some other pleasure you take time away to pursue.

In time of day / weather metaphor, there are often breaks in rain storms where sunlight breaks though during the day, if you're ever in a plane with cloud shadows on the ground below, it's surprising how fast they can move, break apart, and reform

Lore wise, it seems odd, as we have seen excavation below that area for darkstone or crystals, though there isn't much evidence of spirit construction, short of a table inside a hollowed tree, a few stone shelters, and a broken bridge, but no real deforestation as in the final area of forest.

Lastly, don't underestimate the power of grandma's spirit, it seems she was able to move shard falls away from her table, and seemingly create a stage in the void to tell a story of the Blue Bird from. Grandma is a powerful spirit, who's will is not to be taken lightly.

[peak tangle]

unfortunately most of my military knowledge is from 1900 onwards

would you like me to list funky aerial kills?

nah im just kidding

[eager burrow]

I mean… it IS Sky… and we DO spend a lot of time flying…
(also kidding, but that actually sounds cool)

[peak tangle]

here have a very funky one: an F-15 Strike Eagle got a kill on an enemy helicopter with a JDAM

(i aint going further than listing one as i dont wanna be scolded by the mods xD)

[eager burrow]

Cool!! :0 (very fair, pls don’t get in trouble!)

[peak tangle]

i just had a dumb thought, imagine if the krill sometimes exploded if they just barely miss

[eager burrow]

That would make them so much worse

[peak tangle]

surface to air krill

[wintry matrix]

Geographically its a pretty high up area (better visible if you fly partly oob above the clouds, all of forest is on one map with loading zones in between) and if not that, it could be the same magic that stops rain in boneyard after you activate the last chime

[wintry matrix]

Oh no not you discriminating ancestors body durability! /j

[wintry matrix]

Granma is also the only spirit who has more stars on her cape than the (as you say) one bugged one

[wintry matrix]

Top 10 krill encounters that resulted in DEATH (INSANE NOT A CLICKBAIT)

top15s voice Number 10: Two moths video blogging in a wasteland with selfie stick

[scenic pebble]

it's both a forest clearing and a cloud clearing

[wintry matrix]

(i was on dye run, not photo run so pardon the quality)
always wondered about this dome, especially with the red shard "dust" remmants on its walls, my theory is this was either storage (like silo) for the darkstones/light yet to be processed or soem sort of cooling tower like in nuclear power plants

if you pan the camera right, theres cage like floor under the water, asuming the tower goes much deeper and was either flooded after explosion or always filled with water

[wintry matrix]

ALSO elders were (likely) creatures of light just like us because tgc said they come from same source as us but we are not related 🤓 👆

[distant pebble]

Even in there's an illness skykids would be able to get
there's no one to get it from so far

[wintry matrix]

we can count the darkstones growing on us when we are out of light as illness

[distant pebble]

they meant a permanent one

[wintry matrix]

the darkstones growth is technically pretty much cancer of sky so-

[distant pebble]

But we can mimic an unwell state like dogs (´▽`)

[limpid tide]

My guess would be that it's some sort of watch tower, maybe they stored weapons there as well as a last line of defence

[wintry matrix]

random thought about how the skid "evolution" went:

so there were sky kingdom people just wandering around and existing and megabird saw them being lost and not having any goals so they created first prototype of light children, them being elders, to give people someone who can lead them to greater heights but it wasnt enough so megabird sent second generation, aka two embers (Alef and Stewie) but stuff went horribly wrong and after long time, possibly spent thinking or waiting for the worst to pass and the land becoming somewhat habitable again, the megabird sent us, true children of light, to repopulate the land

alternate version if the creation wasnt question of success and fail method:

the elders were created to look a lot like ancestors, without ability to fly to avoid them being discriminated and mistaken for aliens, then megabird sent the two embers (still flightless but we can see Resh levitating so maybe they were able to "fly" to some extend) and them more leaning to light creature side as experiment on how the people will react to them and then after essentially everyone was gone megabird had pretty much free hand so they sent us because there was no one to judge and discriminate us for looking different

this theory assumes elders are toned down light creatures because they (according to tgc) come from same source as sky kids, aka megabird

[sick nova]

I kinda like the first one better.🤔

[peak tangle]

ahem

its a pipe elbow

[wintry matrix]

im sorry? what?

[peak tangle]

sorry i was waiting for the slowmode xD

edit: i said the second part just before you sent your message

[peak tangle]

if you look at it from the outside, its a pipe elbow, the pipe comes from the direction of pnr and then turns downward to go into the mountain. we enter the pipe elbow (where you took the picture) and keep climbing out of the other side

[eager burrow]

Glad I’m not crazy, bc it’s DOES look like a massive broken pipe to me. (Though in my first playthrough, I thought it looked an awful lot like an observatory/the evil version of the Robinsons’ house in Meet the Robinsons)

[celest birch]

I always like to think that if a Krill misses us and hits a mountain/wall/floor, then it can both KO itself and break its own horns due to sheer speed it attacks with.

[wintry matrix]

oh... in my defense i play with low brightness to save my poor eyes from chronic honkers and cant really see on dark maps

[peak tangle]

fair enough

also i would like to say i hate my phones brightness stuff, i put it to full to try and see when im in the sun or something (its at like 75% brightness on the slider) and putting it to full doesnt change [honk]

[wintry matrix]

thats how phones are made to prevent overheating

you will be surprised how fast your phone screen gets hot when on sunlight, especially when you have some app running on top of that

[wintry matrix]

it has to do it in looney tunes style or else im not agreeing to your hc

i can see some goofy skid making drawing of themselves on the wall with glow in the dark paint and then watch from safe spot while eating popcorn as krills ram in full speed into that

i mean... my skid would do that 🤣

[peak tangle]

LOL

[celest birch]

Krills already do Looney Tunes-style stuff like turning into floating hulahoops, that is a given. 🤭 Especially if they just fold into themselves like a demented harmonica when KO-ing themselves like that.

[wintry matrix]

"demented harmonica" 😭

please tell me they would make dying harmonica sound too

[celest birch]

I will never forget one time I essentially managed to snap a Krill´s "neck" by just maneuvering around it only to dodge it in a way that it would hit the hill if it wouldn´t phase through it like a ghost.

[old mist]

Is there any Chinese people

[wintry matrix]

try doing rocket (horizontal one is more funnier) when they spot you

[wintry matrix]

i think you will have more success in #general-sky-discussion

[old mist]

Ok ty

[wintry matrix]

they are like "nouuuu waiiiittttttt"

it also gives off that looney tunes bird running away vibes

[celest birch]

Wish I´d have the skill to do this without a pal. 😓

[narrow marsh]

If solo rocket is even a thing then I am severely terrified

[wintry matrix]

if solo rocket was a thing i would use it when encountering all those moths who think this is a dating game

just "gotta go my planet needs me" yeets away

[eager burrow]

An excellent use of such power!

[sour sphinx]

If I'm wrong, I did see a lore somewhere that Aurora in Sky is a special kind of Spirit. Like she's connected to the Mega Bird or something

[peak tangle]

the heck is rocket

[scenic pebble]

if two skids try piggybacking eachother at once the centrifugal forces generated by this paradox allow a small mass to reach the escape velocity
the issue is that the paradox lasts a very short time before the critical point which means that the said body isn't able to leave the atmosphere

[eager burrow]

Some people theorize she’s like MB’s avatar, or a manifestation of MB in the Kingdom. Some people think she’s MB’s daughter (in some sense of the word) or a separate entity/goddess entirely, but she’s definitely special.

[wintry matrix]

she is special enough to get goddess like animation in pc trailer and that animation (not in this version) is not anywhere else in game from what i remember

link with timestamp on that moment https://youtu.be/rLOesNZTtqo?t=58

there is also aurora mural in harmony hall that frantic and performance guide like to go all lovey dovey over

[wintry matrix]

in horizontal motion, the speed is strong enough to break through not only walss of strong winds but also walls made out of stone

[wintry matrix]

if she was daughter of megabird then all of us would be her sibilings because we also come from megabird

[peak tangle]

ahhh ok, thanks

[midnight sonnet]

There is a possibility that she’s a part of some kind of pantheon in sky with Megabird and possibly Bluebird

Although it’s just a theory that I’m working on because I’m rather intrigued by the possibility of the theological side of sky

I’m currently looking at every mural in sky to try and get some kind of understanding

[wintry matrix]

do you need pictures of those perhaps?

[midnight sonnet]

oh yes please that'd be so helpful

[wintry matrix]

okay, do you need them in particular order or it doesnt matter? (i already popsted some murals here like month ago)

[midnight sonnet]

It doesn’t really matter to me I can probably order them myself

[wintry matrix]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message
#lore-discussion-spoilers message
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

please give credit when using someone else screenshots too

[midnight sonnet]

I will of course

It’s collaborative work most of the time on Sky I just need to piece things together and thanks to my findings to the bluebird being similar to the tales of Homay I can piece together that the bluebird is most likely the daughter of megabird

[wintry matrix]

i can provide photos to anyone needed them for their sky study tbh, even out of bounds ones

[midnight sonnet]

Thank you for that it’s really useful

[wintry matrix]

there are some murals on the nearby islands at home too (simmilar to ones in aviary but not really) but i didnt manage to get close enough to take clear photo of them

[midnight sonnet]

Like this only helps my theory that she may be a birdlike deity or somewhat divine to the sky kingdoms because if their big creator deity is a bird it’s likely they’d see birds as sacred and Aurora is the same color as the bird in the mural and she first appears to us in the form of a bird

[midnight sonnet]

Wait what islands

[wintry matrix]

it requires some precise preparations and if you miss your destination you have to do it all over again

[wintry matrix]

there are islands in the distance in old home, it is likely where the log in screen takes place but on the outside wall there is golden mural portraying megabird or somthing simmilar to it and iirc it was there even before season of revival so it cant be reused texture from there (like those stretched out white bricks over the pointy decorations on forest temple roof lmao)

that mural look little simmilar as the top part of aviary mural but it is not entirely the same methinks

[midnight sonnet]

Do you still have the photos

[wintry matrix]

one day with enough patience i will make it there but as i said, theres only one way to get there and the process is quite tedious (and you cant do it solo)

[midnight sonnet]

Yeah that will be very useful for me if i could get there

But my search will need to continue tomorrow and maybe next week I’ll start writing my thesis on the theology of the sky and how their worship possibly looked like and was like as well as their myths and legends

And how the Elders and Alef/King Resh fit into it if they do at all

I’m genuinely excited for it and I hope y’all will enjoy it

[sour sphinx]

This may be unlikely but what if TGC made a Season about the Mega Bird?

[signal heath]

I would love it! The season of origin

[distant pebble]

if we consider everything that comes from MB a sibling
that would make forest mama a forest sis

[distant pebble]

also i doubt they really pass any genes

[wintry matrix]

Its not about genetics

[eager burrow]

Given the way the whole ‘rebirth’ thing works, we’re not actually 100% sure how reproduction in sky is done. Most of us are fairly certain it’s not like the human/earth way, though, so the passing on of genes in a traditional sense— or even at all!— is not necessarily applicable here.

[wintry matrix]

We were Light and in the Light we will turn again.

I like when some artists portray the birth of new ancestor/skid as ball of light surrounded by mantas, simmilar to the Light and when all the mantas disappear and light fades away, theres a child

Also i was briefly thinking about this again before sleep and how so it never came to me the second pair of stars could be two embers? Still doesnt make sense why they fall into valley though

[eager burrow]

Ooooh! Even if we don’t come up with anything concrete, it’s an interesting additional thing to think about, at the very least!

[distant pebble]

even this way that makes them even less of a parent
thank you for your service

[scenic pebble]

magical transformation ||manatee for scale||

[eager burrow]

You- you know you can be a parent without transferring genes or any biological material, right??

[wintry matrix]

god forbid for adoption existing

[narrow marsh]

While I understand the sentiment behind this elaboration, I personally still believe the terms guardian and caretaker works best for encompassing the roles Ancestors took up in relation to each other.

You've made a good point on the social impact though, and we should do our best not to gatekeep the word Parent from being used in lore discussions.

[waxen ermine]

Does anyone know why they had leviathan circling around sanctuary for days of nature but now they removed it since it’s over?

[wintry matrix]

Just momma checking out its baby

[wintry matrix]

any guesses what manatee skin (fur?) feels like? cuz it looks like stone from this texture

[earnest briar]

I think they have, or would have, sleek skin, kind of like manatees and seals in the real world. Good for swimming, and probably good for aerodynamics too.

[wintry matrix]

seals actually do have fur

[eager burrow]

Yeah, but it’s very very short.

Like, when you look at it and you’re not looking hard, it just looks smoooth. The fur n fluff is more obvious in the bebes

[wintry matrix]

depends on species, some seals and sea lions living outside polar areas have longer and less dense fur, only polar species of seals have very short but dense fuzzy fur

[eager burrow]

Huh, I didn’t know that! Neat!
I will point out that since these are called ‘manatees’ in-game (which still baffles me), perhaps they have more manatee-like skin, which isn’t fluffy or fuzzy!

[wintry matrix]

fun fact! they were not named manatees originally, the term manatee comes from fandom (iirc someone here on discord suggested it) and tgc later used that term

them lying on the beach most of the day gives off seal vibes than manatee as manatees cant really go on land

even their later growth stage (assuming they go through same "evolution" as manta) looks more like seal than manatee
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/632004389137154048/1363630437024661614/krill-lights-might-not-actually-be-biological-sky-the-two-v0-cplh7dl6ws6d1.png?ex=682c4e0f&is=682afc8f&hm=c92b679c266e6238438b13617af3d4d41ecb7f3da47b4a9441592f1015b3c387&

speaking of manatee, stewies friend gives off this cat meme from potat to long teen and then big potat

anyways im obsessed how stewie holds that guy like big fat cat the whole time

it even has fat roll on last screenshot

[narrow marsh]

Definitely contributing to the idea that all Beings in Sky are vague ideas of many real life creatures, rather than just being a glowing version of a real animal. (Not trying to throw shade, Mr. NCD ) 🕯️

[wintry matrix]

Tbh they could be both because both mantas and manatees are seen passing through solid objects (mostly manta in valley in general) and I dont think thats clipping issue (i can be wrong though)

During DoN i saw couple of times the manatees actually acknowledge there is barrier in the water (the dam spirits built) and went over it instead of ramming through it like nothing is there but few instances had the later happen

So maybe they are semi tangible like us when we chibi fall

[midnight sonnet]

me absorbing this for my thesis on theology

Which brings me to my my point the king was likely considered divine in nature as many kings considered themselves descended from gods

Knowing he was a cruel leader makes me think that too

[earnest briar]

not just considered themselves as descended from gods, they also claimed in propaganda and whatnot to be descended from gods, and even specifically chosen to rule by said gods, in order to legitimize themselves and their power. I think “Divine right to rule” was what I’d heard it called in my history class.

[midnight sonnet]

Yeah it was common practice especially with corrupt leaders and Resh was certainly corrupt and would’ve definitely used his connection to Megabird for his political career or as some kind of leverage

[cobalt palm]

Two embers news!
https://youtu.be/1pbfrm1ImG4

Maybe July 2025?

[ornate rampart]

HE IS HERE!!!!! 😱😱😱
(Two embers recent trailer)

OMG… so many years waiting to see what happened during that day

[cobalt palm]

https://youtu.be/FWepS03YbFU
Two Embers part 1
21st July 2025!
https://www.thatskygame.com/thetwoembers/

[solar bane]

Sky lore chat

It's time

[elfin sorrel]

👁️👁️

[ornate rampart]

It’s not just a lore…

It’s THE lore

https://tenor.com/view/its-happening-friday-gif-12932795

[narrow marsh]

This soon????
With 2 day's warning

[narrow marsh]

I might have some older notes to contribute as well!

Here's my notes on what I strongly personally believe the Ancestors had in terms of beliefs, spiritual, religious, and ideologically:

Ancestors

1. Megabird

• the ultimate Entity
• Megabird the goddess

2. AURORA

• AURORA the goddess
• human form of the Megabird

3. The Light

• The Sea of Light
• The Cosmic Web

4. The Soul Cycle

• Light flowing in perpetual motion
• Natural macrobiology without intent
• Animalism: Sacred Creatures
• Local Guardians

5. The Megabird (Supreme Soul)

• The collective voices of all Souls
• All Light moving together in concern

6. The Elders

• The sheperds of the Cycle
• Sent by higher forces
• The Ruler's Chosen Heralds
• To return them to the Sky
• To conquer The Light

7. The Chosen One

• Sent by higher forces
• Born of fate/destiny
• The Savior made Ruler
• To return them to the Sky
• To conquer The Light

This list is meant to capture all of the differences in ways the Ancestors could perceive their world, in similar ways to how we as Descendants all have different beliefs! Each bullet point is meant to represent its own sub-belief, and is not necessarily conjoined with the respective category I've placed it in. Additionally, each bullet does not have to contradict others necessarily, and Ancestors could believe in many of these bullets at once.
Hope this helps! 🕯️

[sour sphinx]

Hey, Two Embers official trailer just came out 💖

[slim mango]

For Indonesian version, the titles are "Dua Bara Api" 🤔

[sour sphinx]

I have my own theory: what if the Vault Elder used to be loyal to the King but then left him after finding out his true intentions for using dark corruptions and taking power from the Crystal???

[narrow marsh]

Seems like it could end up being the case for most or all of the Elders! Especially if the final Shattering memory is to be implemented 🕯️

[sour sphinx]

Yeah could be! Then they turned against him for a good reason

[spiral vault]

ITS HERE

ITS ACTUALLY HERE

[turbid frigate]

IVE WAITED 58 YEARS FOR THIS

[sour sphinx]

Here's a creative thought: what would you do if you've added your Sky Kid in the Two Embers show? I mean, we'll probably be involved in the season anyways, but still

[turbid frigate]

Man.... I'd be one of those crazy on the sidewalk people saying the end is near.

OR

Capture crabs for a living

[narrow marsh]

You were finally right! Eventually!

[sour sphinx]

Heck 😅 Would they listen or no? But what you also do once you after capturing crabs?

[turbid frigate]

Probably teach them tricks, like fetch or turn around
Also I doubt anyone would listen 😂 I'd probably get carried away by guards or something

[sour sphinx]

Oof 💀

[turbid frigate]

If they did believe me, I'd fumble hard with my theories. A flat-cloud conspiracy maker

[sour sphinx]

My favorite part in the official trailer TGC released is the close up of the Vault Elder and the Krill
When Krill showed up, they were like, "Hello dinner 🍽️"

[cobalt palm]

Wasteland elder?

Possibly not even wasteland elder...

Looks more like handstanding thrillseeker from the helmet
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/sky-children-of-the-light/images/b/b7/Valley-Spirit-Handstanding-Thrillseeker-Gold.png/revision/latest?cb=20231013205435

[eager burrow]

Well, hello fellow Crow!

[turbid frigate]

gasp hi hi! :DD

[sour sphinx]

Really?? It's almost hard to recognize him based on what he's wearing. In our point of view, the Wasteland Elder towers over us. Same with the Handstanding Thrillseeker but shorter

[turbid frigate]

Then again, someone pointed out the Vault elder and she seems pretty much the same height as other citizens

[sour sphinx]

I noticed that in the recent trailer

[noble ferry]

i need to finish my resh doc holy heck

[turbid frigate]

I would say they shrunk the more they invested in artificial stars breaking their connections from Orbit

Then again idk 🤔 it feels far-fetched

[halcyon wren]

yeah if these are the elders, they're really just regular sized adult spirits

[celest violet]

I have a new crush, and it’s ||the Ruler|| 🤭

[cobalt palm]

[turbid frigate]

||The Ruler: my shiny shiny rock||

[cobalt palm]

Radiance ruler confirmed

[noble ferry]

now you have good taste, fellow lore chatter
||RESHHHHH YOU'RE BACK YOU'RE BACK I MISS YOU RESH IT'S BEEN YEARS RESH|| AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[narrow marsh]

You think you'd be bad?? Me as an Ancestor would be running through the streets of Aviary with research notes, screaming
"THE SUN IS NOT REAL
THE SUN IS NOT REAL
THE VOID LIES WITHIN OUR THOUGHTS, LOVE IS THE ONLY WAY TO HEAL THE LIGHT, THE DARK PLAGUE ONLY AILS YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO THERAPY, AND THE SUN IS NOT REAL!!!!!!!! "

[grand temple]

on the 2 embers webpage, wasteland is referred to as ||the ruler’s city||, that’s interesting

[spiral vault]

FRAME BY FRAME ANALYSIS, LETS DO THIS

[halcyon wren]

I think the city is Eden (pre-shattering) and GW is outside the city

[celest violet]

I think the crew mentioned something about the Golden Wasteland being referred as the “outskirts” at one point

[spiral vault]

I'm serious about this, prepare for a lengthy textwall

[sour sphinx]

I'm guessing the Wasteland is the city capital for Eden (again, my guess and could be wrong)

[still condor]

HOLY CRAP, I WAS RIGHT ON THE MARK FOR WHEN SKY KIDS CAME AROUND!
I predicted it

[spiral vault]

||Strange what that means for Hopeful Steward||

[celest violet]

Wasteland seems to of been the outskirts of the city, with the actual city being Eden. Eden from the inside looks very city like compared to the Golden Wasteland

[still condor]

This is actually insane how I was right on the dot

[sour sphinx]

500 flipping years 'til we came around?? I thought it was longer like 1,000 years or something

[celest violet]

so this also confirms that basically the Tower of Knowledge doesn’t really exist in the same plane as the Golden Wasteland and Eden Mountain

[halcyon wren]

not sure exactly what you mean, but we see Stewie in the Vault of Knowledge in the trailer

[turbid frigate]

Man....the trailer explains why manatees run away from us when we get too close. We remind them of their servitude..

[still condor]

I feel like a lore god right now
Im just sitting here, shocked that I got it right

[narrow marsh]

They're likely moreso referring to the entirety of the Inner Kingdom
(Golden Valley and the Holy City of Eden)

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[peak tangle]

nice pfp

[real mortar]

Stewie being trapped for 500 years is so sad omg

[narrow marsh]

We get a number??

[still condor]

YEAH!

[sour sphinx]

And we finally freed Stewart after all those years ...

[narrow marsh]

Krill has teeth and full mouth???

[cobalt palm]

500 years in The Void

[peak tangle]

ok imma be honest with yall, i havent looked at anything with 2 embers yet, but i think im gonna now

[real mortar]

well that is absolutely horrifying thank you for pointing that out

[sour sphinx]

I noticed that in the trailer. I was like, "They have teeth now?!"

[celest violet]

Do you think that Two Embers will act as Sky’s grand finale?

[eager burrow]

They have teeth now.

[real mortar]

no because I would cry

[eager burrow]

I’m pretty sure there’s still more planned out for Sky by way of seasons and such, I don’t think TGC is quite done yet.

[cobalt palm]

OK, so the corruption on the skin of people could be the "husks" we see ingame, as the steward in the trailer seems to give a child with darkness on a candle, as we light spirits with our candles

[real mortar]

I was curious about the crystallization because I thought we were different from spirits, but we also get that when we lose light

[cobalt palm]

.

[sour sphinx]

I see that now! Because whenever we free the spirits for the first time, they appear as statues. And the only way we free them is our candles

[cobalt palm]

The child in this one clearly has some on their arm

[eager burrow]

As does the adult.

[noble ferry]

time for me to actual write this darn resh lore essay doc

[cobalt palm]

I think one of the other trailers shows the adult much more affected by it if I recall

[sour sphinx]

Is that man Enchantment??? Because his robed hat? I don't think so because Enchantment's hat is a shade of pink.

[cobalt palm]

Could be an alchemist possibly going from outfits ingame

[eager burrow]

Mhm, I wasn’t sure if this was the same adult, though, and wanted to point it out bc it’s not terribly obvious in the screenshot. ^v^

[peak tangle]

oh…

[eager burrow]

A lot to take in, huh?

[grand temple]

i would love to read it when you’re done !! will you post or share it anywhere ?

[peak tangle]

indeed

the horde grows

[noble ferry]

I'll likely post a link here when I'm done
I've only finished like part 1 of the essay so far regarding Dawn Ember's early life

[cobalt palm]

They appear to be lining up to vault style garbed ancestors with the condition too

[cobalt palm]

Ooh 8 pointed stars with 4 pointed center

[spiral vault]

That wouldn't make sense, it takes place before not after. It's an opening up of the Sky world, not the winding down

[real mortar]

yoinked from wolf - they have dark stones in their spears, dark stones were used as weapons too

[sour sphinx]

I should've noticed that!! I wonder how the shields for the Elders side would be??

[cobalt palm]

Makes sense from how we charge wasteland elders spear in the temple

[real mortar]

If they've kept it the same as in game then I think sun still! Hopefully we'll see soon, I have to comb back through to see if I missed it already

[cobalt palm]

Krill

Though I'd bet diamonds most likely

[noble ferry]

seems like the spears have diamonds in them
omg my diamond-powered weapons in my sky au are kinda canon now

[eager burrow]

That would help explain why their weapons were so deadly; of course they’d need something extra-sharp & light-consuming to weaken & destroy the enemy, Ancestor or Krill notwithstanding

[cobalt palm]

Isle Elder being an absolute Boss?
No boat mask though

[sour sphinx]

Would the King be in the Two Embers seasons? If so, how would we meet him? And would we meet his loyal soldiers???

[eager burrow]

Epic Ancient Granparent Moment

[sour sphinx]

That's the Isle Elder?? Now I feel like there's a lot of stuff I've missed in the trailer

[eager burrow]

Lowkey hope not, idk if they’d like us much 😬

[torpid grail]

The king is the first sky kid who's atar fell from the sky hundreds of years before all the other sky kids, right?

[cobalt palm]

Probably not

[cobalt palm]

Tbh 500 years trapped in the Void changes a guy...

[eager burrow]

Changes how much tho?

[cobalt palm]

Well theory still holds currently that we are part of the Ruler, so there must have been some change at least

[celest violet]

Well given that the beginning of Sky was Sky’s end. What if Sky’s epilogue is Sky’s beginning and end?

[peak tangle]

not only that, they have cool [HONK] spears!

[cobalt palm]

Honking great spears

[real mortar]

Another post from Wolf here #general-sky-discussion message vault elder is booping steward on the head whilst holding a lantern and now I'm wondering if that's how they stored memories in them

[eager burrow]

Huh. Guess I missed that theory, I always thought we were just stars/our own thing

[peak tangle]

oh i retract my statement

[cobalt palm]

The boop is so cute

[real mortar]

oh to be booped on the head by vault elder

[peak tangle]

HOLY

[eager burrow]

The bot’s tryna silence Void—

[spiral vault]

FRAME BY FRAME ANALYSIS, Part 1

1. Ok first, I think Light Realm studios is just a subsidiary of TGC. I can't find it online.

2. We see Wasteland here. The glowing building in the distance is the broken temple area in Battlefield.

3. Hopeful Steward with the wooden butterfly, perhaps it's an insignia from their parents?

4. As if their story can't get tragic enough, they're an impoverished homeless orphan

5. None of the spirits in the background appear to resemble in-game spirits, except the Vault Elder

[spiral vault]

FRAME BY FRAME ANALYSIS, Part 2

6. It looks like the Eden Mountain was developed and industrialized

7. Vault Elder, with slightly drab clothes

8. The turrets don't seem to be weaponry, mostly just watchtowers/a land version of a lighthouse

[peak tangle]

oi it looks more like an early warning system from my (1) viewing of it

lighthouses are the land version of lighthouses, marker buoys/lightships are the sea version of lighthouses

[real mortar]

wait if steward was orphaned and homeless 500 years ago I wonder how they came to be in aviary and their connection with the spirits there, I'm glad they found them I love rhythm and enchantment and nesting for looking out for steward!

[peak tangle]

nautical [not really] nonsense intensifies

[spiral vault]

FRAME BY FRAME ANALYSIS, Part 3

9/10. This part is really interesting. I know we've seen this before, but I think this area is based on a specific part of Orbit

11. That's maybe just an onslaught of krills?

12. Stewie and Manatee trying to escape

13. The King's Army (shown by their shields) with darkstone-powered weaponry

[cobalt palm]

Between 4 and 5, Steward appears to be carrying a bucket or basket up the pipes

[cobalt palm]

I had a theory on this, their last action was somehow knowing the Sky children would fall there, they took their last candle and left it beside their husk for us

[peak tangle]

shown by their shields? what shields? the only sign of them being the kings army is the insignia clearly visible on the chestplate of the guy in the far left

[spiral vault]

FRAME BY FRAME ANALYSIS, Part 4

14. Stewie being grabbed, this is probably some subplot

15. A power diamond being crafted, it looks like manatees are on the bottom part of the picture

16. This doesn't look like the Isle Elder or any spiirt we know, it could be a side character

17. The most wallpaper-esque scene, that's Vault Elder and Stewie doing a vault candle run /j

18. Goodbye soldier

[real mortar]

WAIT THATS SO SAD BUT HOPEFUL NO WONDER THATS THEIR NAME

[cobalt palm]

So the steward being the king is clearly wrong, but the rest could be true still

[spiral vault]

FRAME BY FRAME ANALYSIS, Part 5

19. Shipwreck

20. This scene shows Hopeful Steward doing a sort of call

21. Isle Elder or random grandparent? Who really knows.

22. Hopeful Steward using some sort of light magic to heal a butterflY

23. I'm calling it, this candle relates to the Skykids in some way

24. That's the "steward" part of the name

[elfin sorrel]

Manatee with stick = sky puppy 🙂

[peak tangle]

alr now im taking the helm and we are going on a sideventure, specifically about the ship

[real mortar]

laughing at vault elder and steward doing a vault cr

[spiral vault]

Sorry, there's other frames where the shield has candle insignia

[eager burrow]

Nabbed a couple for ya! ^v^

[twilit lantern]

Hello!

I think I found some similarities tho that. :o

[grave laurel]

IM CRASHING OUT

[eager burrow]

The shipwreck reminds of the one in GW (in the Crab Fields), but I don’t think that it’s the same spot, given that area of the Valley got overrun quick, and also bc Hope was actively LEAVING the area so I wonder if this’ll be a new spot to explore?

[cobalt palm]

That sigil on their coif around their neck is exactly the same.
Wounded was a resistance fighter all along!

[grave laurel]

i remember them having a sun sigil on their shield in their memory, which i think signifies the light side

[peak tangle]

so my theory for how the ship got there is it ran aground at higher tide, most likely later at night, meaning it couldnt see and due to there being no lighthouses, ran aground (as already stated), the tide went out and the ship started to break apart under stress/its own weight [and said weight] not being balanced properly, as tends to happen with groundings. the weird part is all the vases (cargo whatever) spilling out of a hole thats well above what seems to be the waterline (we will return to the waterline shortly), how the heck did she get a hole above the waterline there and lose a majority of her cargo through said hole, but more importantly, WHY IS THE CARGO ALL ON ONE SIDE?!?!

end ship rant part 1

[real mortar]

I wonder if they started on one side and ended on the other or

[eager burrow]

First of all, epic ship knowledge, many thanks for that! Second of all, perhaps she’s another air vessel? Hence the hole above the waterline?

[cobalt palm]

Starbursts vs Diamond shield civil war theories were right?

Still confusing why there are Starburst shields in Eden, but I'm sure we'll figure that out too

[eager burrow]

The rounder one is the ‘starburst’ yeah? Cuz they both have qualities that make my brain say ‘Star-shaped!’

[eager burrow]

I always assumed that meant those shields were loyal to Eden/the King. Hence why they’re there

[peak tangle]

now then, returning to the waterline. what moron puts [what really looks like] PORTHOLES BELOW THE DARN WATERLINE?!?!! THIS SHIP SHOULDVE CAPSIZED UPON BEING LAUNCHED DUE TO HOW TOP HEAVY SHE IS, NOT TO MENTION THE OPEN “PORTHOLES” ON PRESUMABLY BOTH SIDES SO CLOSE TO THE FREAKIN KEEL

end of ship rant part 2, thank you for listening to my ship rant. part one is based on the first image, part 2 on the second

[cobalt palm]

Boats made of rocks, which also fly

Sky physics

[eager burrow]

Again, see previous comment, perhaps she’s an airship, which are powered by darkstone to make them levitate. I’m not sure weight is an issue here.

[cobalt palm]

Could be the boat wasn't meant to float on water, but ran low on diamond juice, so crashed to ground, like those boats crashed in Isle and Prairie

[peak tangle]

it literally is the one in golden wasteland, you can see the crumble in the wall where you exit. the wall is definitely different and missing a bunch of in game pipework (especially near the crumble)

[grave laurel]

i wonder since so much of the kingdom seems reliant on dark stone boats by its architecture, like so many tall walls (unless it’s from destruction, and there used to be staircases), that once everything hit the fan, a lot of the realms were disconnected as there was no way to get between them

[peak tangle]

i mean, then again concrete ships are (well, were to my knowledge) a thing

[eager burrow]

Oh, you’re so right; I’m not used to seeing it from that angle

[cobalt palm]

True, but in our world they rarely fly

Oh yeah, I was definitely thinking the shipwreck is the same one between graveyard and battlefield in wasteland

[grave laurel]

i don’t want to acknowledge the fact that this will likely have a sad ending 🌚🌚 due to our existence as skykids

[peak tangle]

i kinda doubt it, as theres none of the paddles seen on the normal air boats (also seen as lifeboats in the image)

[eager burrow]

This is definitely a part of the societal collapse in the Sky kingdom, yes. ^v^ There were likely ways between some realms, but they became significantly less safe or viable for travel without the boats.

[cobalt palm]

It will have a HOPEFUL ||STEWARD|| ending

[peak tangle]

majority of them are sunk in fact LOL

[grave laurel]

i can’t wait to watch this when it comes out, especially when steward says “maybe we really are sky: children of the light” then resh gets eaten by a krill
absolute cinema

[cobalt palm]

When you have 500 years of an exploding volcano, you can probably expect some sediment

[eager burrow]

Wouldn’t a water-ship still need some form of propellant, be it oars, a sail, etc?

Is there a mast on that ship I missed?

[cobalt palm]

Oh oh oh, they said the name of the thing

[grave laurel]

first we sky, then we kid, let’s skykid

[sudden scarab]

Where they streaming it

[grave laurel]

was wondering that too

[cobalt palm]

Ingame

Sky players can experience a first look in Sky: Children of the Light
The Two Embers: Part One preview screenings will unfold across four weekly chapters beginning July 21st

https://www.thatskygame.com/thetwoembers/

[peak tangle]

no there isnt, but then again, if they managed controllable flight with darkstone or whatever, they probably had the ability to keep the water out of the holes (which could be for maintenance or something, which sounds kinda dumb in a structural sense) and also propel themselves in a fashion similar to modern ships, though looking more like waterjet sort of propulsion maybe

anyway for now imma leave yall to your own devices, ill check back later

[spice musk]

yo lore chat, i noticed the door gate on far right!!! I wonder if that leads forward to the temple?? aaaaaaa

[narrow marsh]

I hope it will be playing on an other-hourly basis just like last Skyfest's presentations. 🕯️

[grave laurel]

i saw a section on the website of resh where it says they’re “looking over a crumbling kingdom” so are they going “oh damn i screwed up” or “lol skill issue” ?

[cobalt palm]

I assume that's the battlefield, the central building is where the scout spirit and large dark plant is ingame

[sudden scarab]

Thats really underwhelming like this level of quality content should experience in big screens without any distractions not in an ingame projector screen💀

[cobalt palm]

The Ruler surveys the crumbling kingdom below

[grave laurel]

it’s a preview i believe
so not the entire thing

[sudden scarab]

Ooh okk that makes sense

[cobalt palm]

Tbh I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't also do cinema / streaming services too, just skykids will see it first

[grave laurel]

that’s what i got from it

[sudden scarab]

Sky premium subscription 😎

[grave laurel]

please no…

[eager burrow]

Mmm no thanks!

[spice musk]

its surreal that we're getting an official story, confirming a lot of lore and predictions we've all made over the years

[noble ferry]

the stinky!

[eager burrow]

Isn’t it amazing?? I’m excited to see what we can learn, and also just jazzed to see how the story plays out! ^v^

[noble ferry]

I have been WAITING for you, eden elder
i have been waiting

[cobalt palm]

Here are all 6 from the site https://www.thatskygame.com/thetwoembers/

Interesting the file name calls them spirits

06_ember_spirits-logo-copyright_s1522x858_na_na_25.png

[sudden scarab]

Krills always steals the show from all the trailers we got so far

[eager burrow]

I mean, they had TEETH at one point apparently (and maybe still do, I’ve never gotten a good look at the in-game models) so that’s a horrifying development.

[sudden scarab]

Since no one gets close to krill to study the krill anatomy tgc made it a win win situation (less detailed 3d model)

[jaunty laurel]

BRO

Actually interested in the call aspect of the animation, its interesting since I have noticed little whistles and gasps from the characters, when we just talk in calls in-game.

[spice musk]

one way to look at the model is either shard memory with em, or reliving that one spirit from season of abyss!! shows the model in the water!

[eager burrow]

AH, terrifying! I’ll take the Memory Krill, it won’t actively hunt me down! (Thanks for the reminder, I forget there’s a memory with a buncha krills!)

[cobalt palm]

There are several.
Shattering has one,
But also Abyss angler has a spirit krill, and Aurora spirit has spirit krill too

[earnest briar]

I would pay TGC uhhhh…. checks piggybank
5 dollars to see an Ancestor, maybe even the King, get beaned by a Krill and yeeted offscreen in almost comedic fashion during the climactic ending sequence.

[spice musk]

not me headed to golden wasteland battlefield to relook at it and the trailer

[bitter ore]

Wait I want to do that too

[atomic sapphire]

Guys, blue bird will end on 6th. The Two embers will be released on 21st. There is exactly 2 weeks gap hence the next season will most likely be The season of Two embers. Massive lore drops in July

[muted salmon]

the first of the two two embers seasons yipeee

[sour sphinx]

Do we know where the Two Embers will stream?

[atomic sapphire]

I don't think so. Maybe they will reveal it later

[sour sphinx]

Gtk (good to know)

I'm curious if we'll see some Seasonal guides as background characters in the Two Embers series?

[real mortar]

hi I'm back to share a thought I had about krill having teeth - this shouldn't be that surprising given leviathan krill has teeth, alright have a good day

[river veldt]

THE TWO EMBERS

[valid dagger]

I'll have to prepare my mental before the peak embers release, it'll be a heavy one for sure

[spiral vault]

I think it's a preview during the anniversary, the full episodes are probably on Youtube or something

[spiral vault]

Interesting the first confirmed name of the mythic Sky character.

Eden Elder (my preferred one), Resh, Alef, King, Prince...

[spiral vault]

It could be possible, but it would have to depend on which guides.

It seems that the first part takes place mainly in Wasteland.

Abyss Guide makes perfect sense to appear, maybe Enchantment Guide as well.

So my prediction is basically true, just swap the two halves

[valid dagger]

He standing there, MENACINGLY

[valid dagger]

So, the dusk ember the first one and the dawn ember gonna be much later then

[halcyon wren]

So if Dusk ember story takes place 500 years before our skykids, Dawn ember story will be much older still

[valid dagger]

Maybe tgc decided to drop the catastrope first then the second one gonna be the beginning of civilization

[cobalt palm]

They were called "The Ruler" in the SkyFest art galleries too, but they are concept arts

[sour sphinx]

Would Alef/Resh's story be before or during Stewart's story?

[valid dagger]

I would say its before and during steward story

[sturdy ice]

"a spark of hope remains" ah, it seems that dusk ember really is Hopeful Steward

[sour sphinx]

Who knows what he's actually thinking when he's just standing and staring

[cobalt palm]

"no way that diamonds going to explo--"

[mortal mulch]

How do you guys even figure out the lore? I have barely paid heed to lore, ever.

Since two Embers is dropping in two months, I feel more interested in lore.

Where and how do I begin?

[valid dagger]

Maybe "i screwed it up, isn't it?" and then later when he starts levitating in front of diamond, his thought would be "screw this, it's already halfway, why don't i bring it down for sure". Then kaboom

[cobalt palm]

Stare at murals until they lodge ideas in your brain, that's how I do it

[cobalt palm]

Well I've come this far, I may as well go out looking fabulous

[valid dagger]

For me, i start searching the lore on wiki, someone made a theory on it. And i slowly gather them together until i know the basic lore

[mortal mulch]

Give me something, from Isle 😭

[cobalt palm]

The ushering stargazer spirit is a good start, then the prophecy cave murals

[mortal mulch]

Does wiki have that basic lore?

[narrow marsh]

Here's a collection of great summaries made by varying theorists, to hopefully not explode your brain too much:
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

And here's an extensive list of many crucial informative resources, for when you're ready to dig really deep:
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

Hope this helps! 🕯️

[valid dagger]

For me i would say yes, but again, it's still theory in process 😅

[cobalt palm]

https://youtu.be/qk5NQNXv2Hg

Here's pretty much everything I "knew" about the king / ruler

[mortal mulch]

Thanks a lot 😄

[narrow marsh]

Not really, and not exactly.

The lore is meant to be very unclear and unspecific, so that people can have their own interpretations and try to discover the 'Truth' for themself!
Archiving from a completely observational, completely unbiased perspective is near impossible, because to ask for the Lore community is to get all of the unfiltered, opinionated, agenda-based directives of individuals who are all very different from each other! And it can be frustrating, but I've come to find it as something so beautiful. When people ask about specific topics or questions though, there will always be someone who has an answer, even if it's only their answer/interpretation.

[mortal mulch]

Thank you so much 😄

[mortal mulch]

Wonderful explanation. Thank you 🙂

[narrow marsh]

For sure, but definitely watch Maelstrom's video first before getting confused by everything else, because their stuff is fantastic 🕯️

[cobalt palm]

Aww thank you 💜

Tbh most of my lore vids ask questions that the game seems to be prompting you to think about, so I'm not sure if I answer any questions in lore vids, or just try to put the viewer in the same mindset as I was when I thought about it.

[narrow marsh]

I think that's extremely crucial anyways. Most moths and players tend to veer off into our imaginations, turning a blind eye to the clues of a narrative, and simply assume there was no narrative in the first place.
I completely agree with encouraging an approach of being more and more grounded in the world that we have always already been able to experience for years. 🕯️

[grand temple]

this is what i’ve understood so far, just my speculation: i think there will be in-game screenings of part 1 broken into 4 “episodes,” 1 episode per week, starting july 21st. since this is referred to as a preview, it will be followed by a theatrical release/platform-based release of all of part 1. i’m not sure how credible this is but from the jp accounts on twitter, i’ve seen a theatrical release date of august 8th floating around, so that’s why i think this is the case. there is also an article accompanying that announcement saying the in-game screenings will take place in “the theatre” but it’s not by tgc so i’m not sure about this. that’s everything i’ve gathered so far !

[ancient canopy]

The Japanese version of the announcement from TGC JP account does mention the theatrical release in Japan too

[cobalt palm]

I certainly see it as layered.
Some layers are harder fact than others.
Stage of life for instance is one interpretive layer that's fairly rigid
Time of day is a little more flexible but fairly robust
Murals and interpretations seem to be the middle ground, where it can show something specific, but could mean a number of things, especially with some of the symbols used in the murals, such as the star symbols, and spiral cloud symbols
Then others are pure interpretation, such as how the music and artistry in an area makes you feel, or reminds you of your own childhood / teenage / life experiences

To say "there's no story" is clearly false, to say "there's no one story" is probably the closest to the truth

[eager burrow]

I’m assuming by stages of life you’re talking abt the stages of civilization theory (each section of the kingdom represents a developmental stage of a civilization, from birth, rise, height, collapse, and memory/lore)?
Unless there’s yet another interpretation of the overarching Sky story I haven’t discovered? (very likely)

[shrewd mango]

Reminds me of something that was circulating back then about how the wasteland was used to be called "The golden Mana" or something???

[grand temple]

i believe it was shores of manna in light awaits ??

[shrewd mango]

Ohhh okie okie!

[grand temple]

good catch, it is pretty interesting this association of wasteland as being the “outskirts,” the “shore,” etc

[shrewd mango]

Are these shields in the battlefield in-game? I only remember the sun shield and diamond looking shield

[celest violet]

The newest member of my collection of weird but attractive men

[viral bay]

DID EVERYONE SAW THE NEWS TOO IM BLOWING UP IM SO EXCITED

[narrow marsh]

Well that's not at all a theory, the developers have explained many times that that was how the game was designed.

In my opinion, even that as solid information isn't actually rigid 'information' as per relevant to the direct narrative.
In the grander scheme of worldbuilding I see it as a powerful symbolism but not alluding to anything within the narrative except to represent the rise and fall of civilization, and of life.

For direct observations, I tend to look at exactly what the murals show, and exactly what our skykid experiences, from Ancestor and Elder interactions, societal representations such as Temples being turned from spiritual passgeways into castles for the esteemed nobility. Industrial pollution being so clearly shown to us, and the greed and disregard of a prideful king.
The more of the picture we gain, the less we have to assume without the context clues. 📖 🕯️

[lost pecan]

I'm so happy seeing that trailer and knowing my theory about the broken building on the battlefield being Lamed's prior temple is RIGHT. Apollo decreed me worthy of the dodgeball of prophecy

[narrow marsh]

Head over to Tumblr's Sky community, you won't be disappointed

[wintry matrix]

Do i hear tumblr

the forbidden land

[grand temple]

ooh could you share your theory, i’d love to hear it !

[lost pecan]

Are we allowed to put links to Tumblr here?

[wintry matrix]

What news i just woke up from frantically looking for my lost roller skates in my dream

[viral bay]

The Two Embers news, set to release in July!!!

[eager burrow]

Dang, didn’t know that. Dead honest, I haven’t caught up/looked up what devs have said. Appreciate the confirmation tho. ^v^

[wintry matrix]

So my theory was correct then

[lost pecan]

here ya go :D
https://www.tumblr.com/lilhub/747083909771264000/so-whats-up-with-the-duplicate-statues-in-eden?source=share

Also a TLDR of the theory for those who can't read the post:

TL;DR: Before the fall of the kingdom, while the King was still a Prince, before the Castle was built the Prince resided in the Vault. And before the conflict in the Wasteland, the Vault Elder's temple was the broken building we now see in the Battlefield. This explains both the King imagery leading up to (what is now)the Wasteland Temple(which also doubles as the entrance to the Vault) and the symbol atop the broken building that resembles the Vault masks.

During the period of time before the Prince became the King, the Wasteland Elder was assigned as their protector, explaining their intense need to defend the Vault 'til their last breath. Afterward, once the Prince becomes King, they are reassigned as the Guardian of the Wasteland, charged with overseeing its people and the Darkstone production taking place there.

Because of the fact that the King resided in the Vault and the Eden Castle, there are versions of each Elder's statue in both places due to them potentially being communication lines instead of graves. Or, at least, they used to be communication lines and were turned into graves for the Fallen Stars after the Fall of the Kingdom. This also explains why each statue takes us to that specific Elder's limbo space; they still, technically, function for their intended purpose.

Obviously there's the actual evidence In the post for all this but. I digress

[open tide]

hello ! new to the sky lore, who or what are the two embers ... ?

[wintry matrix]

IM GOING FERAL

my honest reaction to that new trailer

[wintry matrix]

One of them (Alef/Resh but this needs confirmatiom) is believed to be the the very first child of light, the other (hopeful steward, also needs concrete confirmation) might be one as well. There is also bit more confirmed version where Alef was the Chosen One (you see him on murals) and Stewie the child of Light (based on that purgatory room from one of trailers)

Im atill half asleep and currently way too distracted from the new trailer so I might have said something inaccurate just now

Will go frame by frame and analyze everything again once i get on pc

Also did I saw isle elder in the trailer or was it the meditation emote guy? Hard to tell on the little phone screen

[narrow marsh]

It's basically there. We can't confidently know exactly what the Embers are, with some theorizing they are directly just skykids, while others theorize they are prototype skykids. From direct observation, they don't seem to have any of our abilities, really, and are basically just a normal mortal Ancestor.

We know they're special somehow, but that remains to be seen, except for the limbo scene you pointed out. 🕯️

[narrow marsh]

Someone earlier said it was Isle Elder but I'm personally unsure, the beard had three segments instead of two

[wintry matrix]

Theres also stewie in child of light form waving at the audience on skyfest at the end of trailer

[narrow marsh]

Oh? Didn't see that part
But you said that was in-game? I only watched it on youtube.

[wintry matrix]

And the thing where tgc said we have close relationship with figure of thise children of light which is also stewie

(They didnt say it is stewie but like who else would it be of all spirits, i dont think thats dreams guide )

[grand temple]

oooh tysm for sharing this, i never caught the vault mask symbols on the broken building in battlefield !! super interesting now that we also see ||the vault elder emerging from that building|| in the trailer

if it is the case that the original residing place of the ruler was the vault it could also explain why ||wasteland is referred to as the outskirts of the ruler’s city!||

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[wintry matrix]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[distant pebble]

they did not adopt no one

[wintry matrix]

Orphan 😭😭😭 noo baby come here we gonna adopt each other

[wintry matrix]

Im on it

[wintry matrix]

he was in those two same scenes in previous trailer too

[wintry matrix]

And then theres warrior of love who is barely taller than skid with max height

[wintry matrix]

I always theorised wasteland to be outskirts of eden and vault being part of eden already and the tower itself being the center, just like you have real live castles, you have the villages around kings castle (wasteland), the city within the castle (vault) and kings abode (tower of eden), even when you look at battlefield gate (the one that summons krills) it is as if we were entering castle/fortress

[narrow marsh]

Oh yes I remember that

[wintry matrix]

Wait this thing he holds lowkey looks like one object out of bounds in vault but not really (just simmilar shape)

[midnight sonnet]

You did that you silly corrupt goober

[wintry matrix]

In previous trailer, in this scene, Lamed comes to tell him something and the camera zooms at his hand, clenching in fist and the hand looks scarred but it might be weird lighting too or gloves folds combined with weird lighting

Also this screenshot is funny cuz his mask spikes are barely visible and he looks like spraycan 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[grand temple]

i thought it was glove folds and also some type of covering over the head, because it looked like there were cloth wrinkles behind the mask too maybe covering scars or signs of sickness ?

[severe fjord]

Anyone wanna give tldr of your favourite theories I can’t back read it all 😭

[midnight sonnet]

TL;DR

They should’ve stanned Aurora

[severe fjord]

What lol

[wintry matrix]

Im also confused

[midnight sonnet]

Aurora is kinda a god so I’m joking a lil about it

[pastel brook]

It’s okay! You can cry

[midnight sonnet]

I’m basically saying if they worshipped their god’s harder, they would’ve been fine as a joke it and it’s not funny anymore because I have to explain it but yeah that’s the joke. I guess yeah

[celest violet]

Do you think the Ruler was an Aurora girlie?

[rain frost]

if he was he would've known he can't eat money /ref

also hello lore ppl what an exciting day
has there been any chatter abt what Duskie is setting up here exactly? i see a bucket, possibly a flower and tools of some sort but idk what any of this means lol

[wintry matrix]

Little shop!

It looks like they are scavenger and try to sell what they found, it is fairly common trope in movies (look at Rey in star wars for example)

[muted salmon]

it does look like one a sky kid may make with shared spaces tho

[wintry matrix]

The little jewelry stand (the twig) is so cute also you can find simmilar looking one on aliexpress lmao

[wintry matrix]

I still think its a shop based on how the items are lined and that they seem to be sitting in shopping area (I do vendor with my crafts and it is pretty much the same way you set your goods on normal vendor table)

[rain frost]

omg the game references go so deep

[thin dirge]

Welp, time to scrap those headcanons

[rain frost]

that makes sense tho! little fella's gotta make ends meet

[wintry matrix]

Also they are so skinny someone give them burger or something

[thin dirge]

Hi! I no longer play Sky, but I used to hang out a lot in this channel when I still played and the new trailer made me take a peek in here again

King lore is bringing me back lol

Oh wow, I just realised I started playing Sky 5 years ago, crazy how much time has passed now

[grave laurel]

is he wearing a head wrap or is he bald and wrinkly, tune into july 21 to find out

[thin dirge]

Back then, people here were very focused on the lore surrounding the Eden Elder (King), sadly, I don't see any one of them here now

[wintry matrix]

look again

[thin dirge]

Oh lol, I don't remember very well, been a while

[grave laurel]

i kept rewatching it and the object stewie is putting on a stick just looks like a cooked chicken or smth to me 😭😭

[river veldt]

they are an orphan...
it is implied that they're poor, as they have to sneak into the city to sell what little low-quality toys they have made

[river veldt]

this is huge!
jenova chen himself confirmed that:

1. the story of the two embers was 500 years before the present
2. there were no skykids back then

Source:
https://fixupx.com/JenovaChen/status/1924628221133521070

[scenic pebble]

gee i wonder how did they track years in there

[grand temple]

is this the tiptoeing tea-brewer? the bandana and the clasps on the apron look very similar

[river veldt]

i think so as well!

[quasi phoenix]

just made 2 ocs and i wanted to make one of em pure light and pure darkness. I know that pure light is the mega bird altho what is pure darkness is it king krill or is there other dark creature?

[wintry matrix]

I was making nice and easy to navigate masterpost of all the lore photos i took just to get muted by bot for about a hour 🫠

[distant pebble]

our time eden rebirth mechanism seems to be inspired by black holes so you should look in that direction

[wintry matrix]

Can you elaborate on the black holes please

[distant pebble]

Many of the huge supermassive black holes that are located in the active centers of galaxies throw powerful jets into space — streams of particles of matter and energy that fly away for many millions of light years

there's a theory energy for these comes from the stars black holes already "sucked in"

another theory implies it comes from the black hole spinning

[wintry matrix]

What does pulsar have to do with sky? Pulsars can destroy things faster than you can blink. It makes no sense. Who is source of your theory?

[distant pebble]

Sorry if i wrote something wrong or with outmost stupidity

[distant pebble]

are pulsars black holes?

[wintry matrix]

Both pulsars and quasars (galaxy center) are very simmilar. They are massive density space objects with fabric of space bending amount of gravity power that rotate very fast. Pulsar is what can become from star that went supernova. Once pulsar exceeds its own power/mass, it collapses into itself, creating black hole. Black hole itself does not produce any light. All the light you see is the surrounding stars being pulled into its massive gravitation field and then disappearing into nothingness once it passes through event horizon.

[distant pebble]

I am so sorry

[wintry matrix]

The difference is in size, pulsars are very tiny (in space measurements), only around maximum of 20 km while black holes can be 300 km and more

[wintry matrix]

Its okay! I was just dinosaur/space autism kid

[distant pebble]

peak human

[eager burrow]

How did we get on black holes n pulsars n quasars
I currently cant sleep (it’s 4am where I live) but I dont have the energy to reread all the messages i missed

[distant pebble]

oh i just wanted to make a parallel but it didn't turn out at all

[quasi phoenix]

just realized we went from question of what is the pure dark ( i think king krill) and pure light ( mega bird) to space question and thing ( very peak bdw)

[eager burrow]

Gotcha… misunderstood a def, I’m assuming from the absolute mass of defs TheLuca gave?

[distant pebble]

still aim towards eden

[quasi phoenix]

ye prob gonna make her more like dark things krills altho still will try to put that eden in her and not to misunderstood she isnt any elder

[eager burrow]

wait why aim for Eden? im so lost wait wait wait put Eden IN to WHO

[quasi phoenix]

cus eden is scary and dark

[eager burrow]

why are we trying to inject a literal mountain & associated deadly storm into an individual
are we personifying the place?? or literally injecting the concept into a skid

[quasi phoenix]

deadly storm + king krill and krills+ other deadly plants :3 and nope not personificying place

[wintry matrix]

!gotosneep

[pastel brook]

🛏️

[eager burrow]

that’s not clearing anything up for me

[eager burrow]

I would if I honkin could ✌️ (appreciate the gesture tho)

[quasi phoenix]

ye im just thinking of concept THAT JUST CONCEPT

[wintry matrix]

Make melissa tea it has calming effect

[slim mango]

!gotosleep

[eager burrow]

Don’t have the stuff for it; currently out of tea

[wintry matrix]

But dont stir it with metal spoon, metal kills (scientifically proven) all vitamins and other healthy stuff in herbal teas

[eager burrow]

Pls don’t yell at me I’m literally confused and trying to understand and you’re not making sense to me

[quasi phoenix]

im so sorrryyy didnt mean to really

[eager burrow]

Are we referring to Eden, the place, the mountain, as a she?

[quasi phoenix]

no im just trying to make oc and i wanted her to be like pure darkness or smt like that

[eager burrow]

Oh. This… is that allowed in this chat? I thought someone got in trouble for that (not big trouble, just told off—politely—abt it)

[quasi phoenix]

for what? wanted just to say if theres smt like mega bird ( pure light ) but like dark

[wintry matrix]

Please be friendly and inclusive to each other, some people here can have disabilities that make them slower to understand what is going on and also no one can see into your head to know what exactly are you thinking

[quasi phoenix]

yup

[eager burrow]

Ocs and stuff, even if “lore related”. I think this person had an OC who was supposed to get with Hope or smthn and wanted to discuss that but got told that was technically off-topic (cuz it’s about the OC technically and not the lore?) idk, it was a while back and I wasn’t paying attention

[quasi phoenix]

o okay thanks for saying

[wintry matrix]

Eden mountain is not in any way made out of darkness as it is holy land connected to megabird through where all light creatures (including us!) go to enter rebirth cycle when end of their lives is close

[wintry matrix]

Yes I think OC headcanons (do not mistake with lore related hc/theories) belong to #general-sky-discussion morethan here

[quasi phoenix]

o okay thanks

[eager burrow]

As far as ‘pure darkness’ goes, I don’t think we’ve been given a shape or form or name to associate it, like we do with Light. With Light, we have MB and Aurora and the Cycle, etc etc, but the dark is just…. there. It just consumes.
(Just realized perhaps the Abyss counts? But I always felt like that solely refers to the depths in Treasure Reef, idk)

[wintry matrix]

Abyss is more location than entity name yeah

[eager burrow]

Not to mention I don’t feel like “King Krill” really constitutes a world-shattering Darkness entity, yk?

[quasi phoenix]

ye though that so tbh😔

[eager burrow]

Sorry. Maybe we’ll get more info or make more theories in the future abt the Darkness!

[quasi phoenix]

im very positive for that need more lore bout darkness in sky

[glossy pier]

We need more lore about everything in sky, or atleast, I need more lore

[normal ermine]

I think I'm gonna have a memory overload once I get to watch the two embers trailer

[quasi phoenix]

yes!!! i think in two embers you can see teaser on youtube there was many things that could go with lore or even make more theories

[wintry matrix]

I think it is best to wait until july 21th when we will maybe know more about darkness and dark creatures it would also be nice to maybe either spoiler tag or make a thread in here to discuss the stuff from it once it airs to avoid spoiling the story to others

[glossy pier]

it is a spoiler channel tho isnt it

[normal ermine]

I'm gonna yap about my findings to the nearest wall I can find.

I refuse to show my theories.

[quasi phoenix]

ehh kinda

[wintry matrix]

Well yes but it is still nice to be considerate of others

[eager burrow]

I, personally, have always seen it as a reactionary thing, a simple effect that happens to Light/Connection weakening. When there’s a lack/absence of Light, what’s left to take its place? Darkness. It comes in and starts picking off Light/literally anything that’s left, though it doesn’t feel like there’s a mind or a thought process behind it; it’s a mindless hunger.
Idk though. Just a thought ig.

[wintry matrix]

Even light can cast the shadow, dont forget that!

Fire does that for example

[eager burrow]

I- I thought flames don’t have shadows
wait

[wintry matrix]

They do!

[quasi phoenix]

i know that just now wha-

[eager burrow]

Irl or in game

[wintry matrix]

Irl!

[eager burrow]

Okay, just googled; the conditions have to be right in order to observe such a phenomenon

[wintry matrix]

It depends on temperature of the flame vs the surface it reflects and also brightness of the background, if you put white sheet of paper behind the flame, it will cast the shadow but it wont do it on for example red paper

[eager burrow]

Could it also depend on material burned?
I just- head is not doing a good job w/ info atm, sorry

[wintry matrix]

The “ingredients” in flame also matter, for example when you make big campfire in summer camp and wait for the night, you can see top of the campfire casting shadows on surrounding trees (something I personally observed when I was scout as kid)

The wood had good amount of resin in it

[eager burrow]

Oh ok
so is the shadow more like the shadow of the particulates in the reaction?

[wintry matrix]

You can also make fire cast shadow by taking it out on direct sunlight or by shining strong flashlight on it

[eager burrow]

Okay, so that’s- that’s something I think I remember hearing abt before… I think?

[wintry matrix]

It is shadow of the gas that is burned and the temperature, try to open your windows during sunny but chilly winter day and look on the floor of your house where sun hits, you will be able to see little shadow waves as the warmth from inside is escaping, simmilar phenomenon happens when fire cast a shadow

[eager burrow]

Ok… okay, excellent I know exactly what that is, thank you!

Guess it’s just startling for 4am brain to remember fire technically has a shadow

[wintry matrix]

Lightning can cast shadow too but that is whole different thing that happens from light from it hitting your DSLR mirrors when you photograph it and also because of how fast it moves vs how fast your camera shutter moves

[eager burrow]

Woah

[wintry matrix]

That shadow is very faint though (i think this happens on videos of thunderstorms as well)

[eager burrow]

When I’m referring to light and darkness in my original comment/talking point, I’m using the capital L Light and capital D Darkness, not their less serious versions. So like, little shadows cast by a candle aren’t gonna come alive and yoink a skid into oblivion, but a Krill— a creature of Darkness— absolutely will if given the chance.
Absence of Big Light is Bad and attracts Darkness & its creatures, but I don’t know if it’s a “living” thing— like how MB can be considered a living manifestation of all life etc and is often ascribed a Will of some sort.
Darkness seems to lack any or all Will, minus the basic command of ‘hunt Light’

I don’t know if I’m making sense I’m so sorry

[wintry matrix]

If this is Daleth, do you think it is simmilar to the Luke and Obi-Wan situation?

But i feel like I saw one more spirit like that (not boatswain)

[earnest briar]

Wise Grandparent? Meditating Monastic? (This one ) They’re the one you get the long beard from.

[wintry matrix]

Thing is Daleth doesnt have moustache or hair, thats what makes it questionable

Wiki is being pretty annoying on phone, i will go through the spirits once i get to pc

[sour sphinx]

Some people say it's Daleth. Maybe that's him before he became an Elder or going to have that role soon?

[robust flare]

I think it's someone we haven't met yet. An unknown person who played a role in the rebellion ❤️

Throughout history we have unknown heroes. Forgotten people who brought good change. It's sad that we don't know who they were, but we know they were there. Normal people changing things for the better of the world

[supple sluice]

So... From my understanding from the trailer, the war broke out in response to the Eden King embracing darkness?

[worn obsidian]

Confirmed…
Two Embers is set 500 years ago
Sources: TGC’s May 20th Press Conference about Sky and Two Embers on BiliBili

[wintry matrix]

No, elders were chosen by alef prior him attending trials because we can see him giving them elements in prophecy cave murals

this is very powerful message by the way (from two embers website)

[wintry matrix]

yes we know, jenova chen tweeted it earlier today

[ashen fractal]

I really appriciate this as an irl reminder and also as a good lore note that we may find some new characters we've never seen.

[wintry matrix]

opened wiki to check the spirits to see if any matches "Daleth" and started laughing right away on Stewie going just
🧍

theres something ominous about that picture what it is cut out like this from the original

some two embers trivia points from the wiki (sources in the pic)

[narrow marsh]

Considering that this is the Dusk era being depicted, I highly doubt that this is before he became an Elder; the end of the world is already right around the corner at this point 🕯️

[narrow marsh]

As far as we know, the Ruler was trying to harness and leash down the power of Light, by stealing energy from the Light Cycle that occurs at the top of Eden. He used the giant blue diamond to absorb the Light from the beacon, but it seems it became too much to hold, and the diamond exploded.

As far as Darkness goes, Darkness appears to be a physical plague/sickness that somehow grows on Beings of Light. My personal theories involve emotions as a key mechanic, and that they grow sick because they are not feeling Connected to The Light anymore. 🕯️

[narrow marsh]

Wow

[sour sphinx]

I have noticed that on the murals in Prophecy Cave like it showed a figure successfully completing the elemental trials.
And that message is maybe telling us that Hopeful Stewart will try and stop the King

[eager burrow]

If I’m not mistaken, the whole thing with Prophecy is the King, or the child who would eventually be King, not Hope.

Part of them becoming King is completing the Trials at a very young age, i think? And there’s a whole prophecy abt that child-who-completes-all-the-trials becoming the King later or smthn (please correct me if im wrong, I was not there for that season!)

[sour sphinx]

When I first did the trials and completed them, I was asking myself, like if the King succeeded, what does it mean for us? Well, I looked back on doing the trials and asked myself that now

[narrow marsh]

The phenomenon you and Luca discussed in your conversation brings to light the complexities and nuances that come with studying Light.

These analogies are all still very direct, physical propositions
Unfortunately, it's very difficult to bridge the divide between the physical and metaphysical understandings of what Light substance is. We still have a long ways to go with that, and Two Embers may not help us all too much with our questions on what Darkness and Light are.

I think the biggest key thing here to remember as we continue to gather helpful analogies like this, is to treat them as parables/allegories, rather than as attempts to directly place themselves as the law of how these forces work.
It's also very important to analyze our personal understandings of Sky and it's denizens, to be aware of the difference between assumptions that we make, and grounded observations. 🕯️

[narrow marsh]

There are theories that the prince had to defeat the Trials without ever 'losing', in sharp contrast to us who fail many, many, many times

[sour sphinx]

That sounds questionable haha But like the King, others tried but failed (or in other words, didn't survive (that's what I read )

[wintry matrix]

SPIRITS WE SAW IN THE NEWEST TWO EMBERS TRAILER FRAME BY FRAME ANALYSIS PT. 1

[eager burrow]

Yep! I also mentioned not long after I was referring to the metaphysical types of light and dark in the original message that sparked (lol) the ‘flames have shadow’ mini-teaching sesh. When referring to such, I try use capital letters ‘Light’ and ‘Darkness’ for the metaphysical stuff and ‘light’ and ‘darkness’ for the more material, physical stuff. It’s a distinction that helps me a lot in convos like these. ^v^

[severe fjord]

There’s so much cool discussions here rn I wish I could read it all

[eager burrow]

I’ve gotta disagree w/ Pinky and Candlmaker; the color of that cape is difficult to tell at best, but I think it’s far more neutral than that. Hair is also closer to Red. Fairly confident it’s not Red either, bc, again, cape is way too pale. Candlemaker also doesn’t wear gloves, like the spirit you’re comparing them to in that shot. And the screenshot w/braid spirit is pushing it, since they’re more of a silhouette than anything, but I’ll let that one slide in an effort not to seem like I’m tearing the observations down. (Not tryina be a killjoy, but if we’re going off of looks alone, some of those spirits don’t quite match.)

[wintry matrix]

SPIRITS WE SAW IN THE NEWEST TWO EMBERS TRAILER FRAME BY FRAME ANALYSIS PT. 2

[wintry matrix]

tbh i put candlemaker there juast because of the hair, it might very well be just some random dude

the braid spirits are the same as those shown in very first two embers sneak peek where they showed the ancestors concept arts

tbh this one could be much older bereft veteran too

[eager burrow]

Mmm fair. Don’t think it’s Dawn, by virtue of no bushy mustache, also Dawn’s completely bald in the back, iirc

[robust zephyr]

OK, so i just watched the trailer for that clip amd I am so excited, im screaming but I also so confused and It seems I really need to be here to ask for some Lore help on what sky is really about.

On another note- this is the season of the deer, right? Can someone maybe talk to me about what really happened there? I wasn't there for it and sped ran through the quests.

And another note- in the clip, what was going on at 0:18? and on that girls arm?

[earnest briar]

this is not Season of the 9 colored Deer. This is for The Two Embers, another thing entirely.

[eager burrow]

Not season of the nine-colored-deer; that season was a collab (iirc??) and therefore not technically canon. Same way the season of the Little Prince isn’t canon to the main sky story

[stark oracle]

Just watched the trailer, im so excited to read yalls theories and comments 🙇‍♀️🙇‍♀️🙇‍♀️

[robust zephyr]

Really???? At first glance I thought it was, oh shoot.

Now I really need to know about the lore of sky, else I cant really call myself a fan if I dont know it.

[wintry matrix]

the girls arm has "darkstone disease" on it, kinda like the stuff we get when krill or stone hits you or what you can see on statues on top of second eden map >

[eager burrow]

You can still be a fan and not know the lore! ^v^ knowing the lore doesn’t make you a ‘true fan’ any more than growing a second thumb makes you a koala (which is to say you can be a fan of the game, regardless of lore-knowledge!)

[robust zephyr]

I need lore, like, now lol

[wintry matrix]

i would say prince is semi canon cuz its not too out of his story about travelling to other planets and stuff + tgc did sky version different enough to not be just copy of the book

moomins in other hand...

[eager burrow]

Lots of people are more than willing to answer questions and provide links to helpful sources/past convos; what would you like to learn about? ^v^
(pinned comments and using the channel search bar are also great ways to find what you need! ^v^ but asking people’s more fun ;))

[robust zephyr]

All of it- mostly the story of eden and the top stuff.

All I really know is a kid has to gather winglights to revive husks of others and rebirth in torment every time 😶

[wintry matrix]

oot but Stewie doing the ^^ gives me so much serotonin omg

[wintry matrix]

thats really broad topic, can you be more specific?

[eager burrow]

Woah, dark take on the rebirth part, but a-okay! Yah wanna know about the Light/Life cycle?

[robust zephyr]

Yes-

Literally, how my friend introduced sky to me was rather dark? Idk lol

Ive been playing for over a year now

At this point, I just need someone to tell me or of there's no cannon lore, tell me what we do know 😤

[eager burrow]

You said they are reborn in ‘torment’— most people see Orbit as a beautiful place, and Sky itself isn’t trying to cause you pain. (I may have been confused by your word choice or placement, I’m not running on a lot of sleep today)

[robust zephyr]

Im talking about getting in a dodge ball match with rocks lololol

[narrow marsh]

You'd be very surprised just how much lore there is in Sky.
The lore is meant to be very unclear and unspecific, so that people can have their own interpretations and try to discover the 'Truth' for themself! However, we know quite a lot from what context clues we've dug up and studied.

Here's a full essay on the king by the fanatic Nekovo.
#lore-discussion-spoilers message
And if that's too long here's a good simple summary of Sky by Void of Shattering.
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

Hope this helps! 🕯️

[wintry matrix]

btw there are manatees laying in front of that machine (possible thing that absorbs their light)

[earnest briar]

@supple sluice Radian, your questions and Tomte’s explanation and personal theories made me think of something. What if the King didn’t necessarily embrace Darkness, but it was drawn to/influenced/surrounded him because of his Indifference? As the ruler of the entire Kingdom, it would be oh-so-easy for him to become emotionally distant and disconnected from his people.

He was chosen by prophecy to lead them. He has to do what’s best for them. His work is for the greater good. All of Ancestor-kind will benefit if he can just find a solution to the Light energy crisis.
…All while being ignorant, perhaps intentionally, perhaps unintentionally, of the Ancestors who suffer and lose their lives to the darkstone industry, to the disease of Isolation, to the raging civil war tearing families on all sides apart, to just how many Light Creatures are sacrificed to power their civilization and bring the King’s ‘grand solution’ to fruition.

[wintry matrix]

it would be funny if it was something like:
"Turn the thing on!"
entire kingdom blackout
"Well-"

[supple sluice]

I think you guys are right, it's not really embracing darkness but just using it on a new, larger scale almost.

I don't know how to really express what I'm trying to communicate, to be honest... Darkstones are what power many of the doors in Sky, right?

[eager burrow]

And the boats!

I wonder if the ‘beacons’ we see atop the temple in the trailer are actually something that helped keep the Darkness at large away? Bc once those go out, the Darkness sweeps in not long after.

[robust zephyr]

So the characters we play, could be a younger version of the king?

[wintry matrix]

Im also thinking about this scene, it might be total crap take but i still wanna share - we still dont know how exactly the memory lanterns work, what if Lamed is sending Stewie into Alefs memories in attempt to change his views and thats why we are getting the dusk ember (stewie) part first (seemingly) and dawn ember (alef) part second

[supple sluice]

I heard a theory we're the king reborn, or parts of the king reborn. I think it's a neat idea but we have no real proof of it haha

[eager burrow]

It’s a good theory! I’ve always been of the mind that we’re stars/our own thing sent to help heal the world after this horrific disaster collapsed all of society

[earnest briar]

Some theories posit that we’re fragments of the King’s ‘soul’, but unless/until Two Embers gives us a concrete answer, lots of options are equally valid!

[karmic pelican]

I think in the refuge in vault theres a mural that implies that they were storing memories inside the lanterns. Which would make sense because of the whole season of "remembrance". The reason could to contain knowledge, hence the name "vault of knowledge" and why its so full of lanterns!

[wintry matrix]

yes, we... know those lanterns store memories, i was talking about that we still dont know HOW and why they store them and how can they be used