lore-discussion-spoilers

[versed mirage]

That would explain why the king isn’t around if we’re all pieces of him

[vocal forge]

Perhaps by infusing ourselves with the dark crystals. There was things said about how the king infused himself with it and the elders, hence why theyre so big.

[urban flint]

Ooooh

It might be that way too :OO

[vocal forge]

This is old, but i believe traces of it still ring true. Hence the princes ability of natural flight.

[urban flint]

👀

[versed mirage]

Might be the same thing as us floating on the fragments of the Eden shard in the memory

[waxen ermine]

I wonder if the kids are falling down the same path of using darkstone (assuming all diamond shapes are that) like the king? They like using it in shared spaces, shared memories, their nest

[vocal forge]

See, i think thats just not possible. This is due to the fact i feel we are the "perfect". mix of both spirit and light creature. Possessing the ability of flight and wings of a light creature blessed by the megabird, and the appearance of a young elder, a perpetual child that is incapable of understanding or even fathoming the world outside their very simple purpose. to return to the light. if the child is not nurtured, its nature is just to follow. We are similiar to well, halfbreeds really.

[waxen ermine]

They do look an awful lot like the Eden Diamond
(And seem to work like technology)

[vocal forge]

Its why we dont really.. have the story unless we are related it by other sky kids (again, that nature vs nurture is one of my fav aspects of skykids.) and even then its fragmented! least history repeat itself..

[oblique garnet]

Didn't tgc also say they changed their appearances to better suit the lore?

[vocal forge]

Fair but i wouldnt say they are. we use the world around it, we neither create nor abuse it other than props and even then they are inoffensive and not naturally unobtrusive... and often taught. we would be hurting by harnessing it and deciding not to ascend and doubling down but we dont, forever drawn to our mission.

[waxen ermine]

Wait, they did???

[waxen ermine]

Well, you say they dont abuse it, but Ive been having fun looking at shared memories all the time

They are pretty much everywhere
The huge majority are buskers (people playing music to get hearts), or just musicians or beggars for hearts

Rare chance you might find people telling jokes and stories

[oblique garnet]

I'm not so sure and can't link anything rn, but I can look

[vocal forge]

Abundance isnt always abuse. Maybe the function but long term they dont sap from the environment or corrupt it. They are, for the large part as unobtrusive and sapping as a note taped to a tree in the modern world.

[waxen ermine]

Ohh fair enough

[vocal forge]

it also isnt giving us a power advantage of any kind, like how the pipes in the trailer is shown to do with funneling pure light.. which now daunts me considering how big the pipes were in the eye.

[waxen ermine]

True, it's a horrible shame

I just realized, what if his king had his castle in the sky because no way he wanted to live near pollution of Eden (assuming it was causing tons of it)

Well, of course there's other benefits like protection, a great secure spot in the sky to not get attacked, in the path of the holy beam of light

[vocal forge]

Maybe its symbolically similiar to the upper 1% and the glass ceiling considered knowledgeable scolars were also present. hoarding far out of reach, in the blind and foolish belief he was above, and wanting to symbolise it quite literally by separating and restricting from the common folk.

[versed mirage]

Also was a safe place to send dark dragons to deal with his problems

[waxen ermine]

True! I can agree with all this stuff

[oblique garnet]

Apparently "ominous floating castle" is a common (partly japanese) trope for the residency of an evil being (I researched that a while ago)
Like in some Mario games or arguably Zelda totk

[versed mirage]

So I need me one of those

[waxen ermine]

Oh yeah!! I never noticed the evil aspect, just "Floating castle" being common in fantasy

Like Laputa

[oblique garnet]

And "Castle in the sky" is the inversion trope, so rather a positive thing

[twin halo]

a maybe interesting fact from the two embers trailers
the King appears to be wearing gloves, which could be just an aesthetic choice but it could also add on to the "corruption" theory if we assume they wear gloves to cover up the rocks growing on their skin (and maybe even face, if we use this same theory for their mask as well)

[oblique garnet]

On an unrelated note, do Krills honk? It's interesting if they do
Honk as in call, like light creatures

[waxen ermine]

OH my god you are a genius!!
That's a brilliant theory! I never considered that, I only thought "Gloves because it's cool"

[waxen ermine]

Yes, their roar is the honk
(Notice any time a creature, person honks, there will always be a circle of light around them)

When krills roar, they release a giant one (So it might be a deep honk)

Which also means crabs are not honking

[oblique garnet]

This could have interesting ties to the "spiritual call", "third eye" and "krills were light creatures" theories

[waxen ermine]

Beings seen honking (with light circles when they make sound):
-Sky kids
-Ancestors
-Butterflies
-Birds
-Jellyfish
-All kinds of mantas
-Manatees
-Krills
-The Deer
-Whale
-Little Prince
-The fish
-The turtle

Non honkers:
-Crab
-Whatever the worms are in fire trial
-Lurker (the Prairie Peaks worm)
-Leviathan

I cant remember if Leviathan did a call

[oblique garnet]

I can't open this link in chrome for some reason

[shrewd mango]

Fishes also honk but the leviathan? Don't think so? They did roar when they were about to eat us I think? Or maybe not

[waxen ermine]

Oh yeah! Thank you for reminding me about the fish

Interesting when you notice that every honker is neutral or light except krill

Just checked, Leviathan doesnt honk

[oblique garnet]

Since we know that sky kid honks emanate from the upper center of their head (third eye/pineal gland basically), we could also check where the other creatures' honks emanate from
I might do that when I have time

Feels good to be in lorechat again

[strange flare]

it came off to me like being untouchable to the point you can't touch anyone

[grizzled vector]

I seem to recall there being concept art of an "ark" type of thing, like they were trying to build a ship that could physically get into "orbit" – and that concept later evolved into the "castle in the sky" above Eden

[vocal forge]

Oh yes! YOU are correct here.

[hallow topaz]

I have a theory that they were a little religiously obsessed with wanting to 'return to the megabird'. In the real world ancient human civilations built pyramid structures (Egypt, aztec and others I can't recall right now) because they were trying to climb higher to reach the heavens.
So, were these elite just trying to do the same?
So... they managed to create a rocket ship/city (for the chosen elite) and whilst they lived the good life up on high, the peasants had to stay in the wastes. Eventually the 'poisoned' world drove them to attempt to bring Eden down (because the Elite hoarded ALL the Light).
In this screenshot it shows Eden just hovering there as if it's been there for quite a long time blissfully ignorant of the world below.

[rare ruin]

/Day 1/
Not sure if this source is still credible but the old sky concept artists said that the dark stone (diamond) is used for technological power. The colour of this power is light blue, when you are corrupted your skin turns to dark stone and shards of light blue rocks form on your body.
The corrupted krills are covered in dark tone and have a (very) bright light blue rock that they use to see creatures.
Based on this krills could be either of the two; a corrupted creature or a machine that was powered by the dark stone energy that got corrupted.

The machine theory may be a reach but concept art shows they did build fake creatures using stone as well as the flying boats which i assume is the “technology” they powered with the diamond.

[versed mirage]

So what is the shattering guide…

[celest birch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1210186048198680576/1256926321129427084/20240630101802_1.jpg?ex=66828b5b&is=668139db&hm=6e73c1f59a19a58c7862a27a74806bb40b01ac84c86faf30dac25ebe39ff51ee&

How big do you people think is the Diamond of Eden in actuality?

[versed mirage]

Not sure, but I find it weird the trailer makes it look uncut… but the one we have is perfectly cut to the shape

[celest birch]

Could be that the Shattering made it be like this? Or because the King and Elders were refining it more before it went kasplodie?

[versed mirage]

Yea but I doubt the king would let anyone but him touch it

Also is it confirmed the kid in the trailer is the hopeful steward? I cannot unsee that

[rare ruin]

https://venturebeat.com/games/how-sky-the-children-of-the-light-broke-records-for-most-simultaneous-people-on-the-screen-jenova-chen-interview/

[celest birch]

Given the power that the King would have, yeah, he could've been refining it, which might also be sort of hinted at at the last mural seen in Eye of Eden.

[rare ruin]

The only thing confirmed is that one of the kids in the trailer (blue caped one or long haired one) will become the king.
This show will most likely be the kings origin story and the shattering

[celest birch]

10 episodes?! How boy, better hold onto your capes, pals. This is gonna be a long one.

I bet that the Shattering will be at the end of the run-time, like episode 9 or 10.

Unless they make the final episode be the impromptu origin of us Skykids and thus tie into the game itself.

[celest birch]

I honestly to Eden always thought that it's the largest fragment of the King's soul that's still trapped inside the Diamond of Eden and which hosts all of the petrified memories in the first place (and given how you can make it give hearts, I'm kind of thinking it's sentient in its own right as well).

[waxen ermine]

It’s an impressive thought, a darkstone that sucked so much souls it became sentient

It gained a spirit and wants to show memories and give cool outfits

[celest birch]

Is my headcanon that the Diamond of Eden became sentient due to absorbing the King's soul ... or rather a very large chunk of it, with the rest dispersing themselves and either becoming what we know as wl or into Skykids themselves.

While before the Shattering, it was mainly absorbing light and potentially even souls of various light creatures.

And yet, the only part of the Diamond of Eden that's actually sentient is the aforementioned Void of Shattering.

[fierce plinth]

I'm sorry but all I can think about is how maybe years from now someone who doesn't know about sky will find your notebooks and will be convinced they discovered ancient knowledge about a lost
civilization (also I love your dedication, this looks great)

[celest birch]

Dude. Now that you mentioned it ... 🤭🤭🤭!

[forest hornet]

Question but where did the "We're a part of the king's soul" theory come from exactly?

[hallow topaz]

The diamond became sentient and it's prioritiy became: ✨FASHION✨

[twin halo]

https://www.tumblr.com/felix-krain/754734367444762624/an-analysis-of-reshs-design?source=share wrote a small analysis of resh's design

[hallow topaz]

I love his lil pointy face

[waxen ermine]

Thank you for your analysis, I loved it!!resh brainrot for the win

But yes, he does have a chest light!

^
@twin halo

The trailers try to keep it hidden, but this one let slip

Resh is papa Sky Child

[versed mirage]

You know light is pumped through pipes in the trailer and it’s a tangible resource. It’s similar to the fabric in Journey but when people fought over it, they ripped it. So maybe the fighting is over light.

[gilded tartan]

based on story board concept art (as far as i can remembr, don't know where anymore), that's precisely why eden king is placed/hailed as king. He's the one with the gift of light. Others don't have the capacity to produce light on their own, including the elders

[twin halo]

those are from older trailers though
they were redesigned if you look closely (the mask is different) and in all recent trailers they lack the light

[celest birch]

Ok, I saw the trailer/some clips and to me, the Diamond of Eden does look refined already, it's just the typical darkstone-blue color.

[maiden cosmos]

yes and 2:30 hours in total. so each episode split into about 10-15 minutes

[celest birch]

Which pretty much means that the hard-lock I got after dying in Eden is just an unfathomably amazing coincidence, given how my blue soul was almost at the same position the King was in that scene.

I'm willing to see all of it, KOKO.

[gilded tartan]

Oh here it is: "Megabird grants flame to Prince and Creatures". So it's only the prince and creatures that have ability to produce light, that's why eden king is 'king' basically

[celest birch]

Now the question is, how in the everlasting light of Megabird did they manage to both carve and transport a darkstone so big into the Flying Castle of Eden???

The big unrefined chunk in the bowels of Prairie Peaks is barely reaching a quarter/third of its size (compared to default-size Skykid) and it's still massive.

[gilded tartan]

prolly magic, or forced a creature to carry, then used the floating boat thingy

[celest birch]

... Now you're making me think about Elder Whales and those giant Elder Mantas.

Which is still great yikes, given how even the Ark itself can't compared to that king of all darkstone.

[narrow marsh]

Hello, does anyeone know if the artbook mentions 'stars' anywhere?

[versed mirage]

Yea but it looks very uncut and formed into the diamond shape

[gilded tartan]

what if crabs are dark stones that gained sentience and became angry krebs XDD

[long vessel]

Also where did a deposit that massive come from? All the areas we see that would have been mined don't have anything that would even come close in comparison

[celest birch]

I did see the cracks as well, which does make me think that maybe that could be the reason why it went into Shattering in the first place: flawed!

[versed mirage]

Potentially.

Could also be the king relied on it too much to solve his problems and overloaded it.

[celest birch]

Which also kind of makes sense, given how hard it is to actually perfectly refine precious stones even in our time; we already know how does the biggest refined precious stone look like, thus when it comes to that humongous thing, it's pretty much virtually impossible to perfectly refine it.

Add the overload as well from Megabird knows how much light and you literally have a recipe for a crystal-shaped uncontrollable BOMB.

[gilded tartan]

likely! in the game journey, the 'krill-like creatures' are actually called 'War Machines' (sometimes referred to as Guardians)

[celest birch]

Now you're asking. Good Eden, this needs to be addressed in Twin Embers if possible!

[gilded tartan]

it's not that deposit is massive, it's a massive diamond created/bulit from dark stone matter, just like the doors and structures made from dark stone. The original concept was actually an ark built from dark stone, but apparently that idea was scrapped and changed to this diamond

[spiral vault]

ITS ME

(I think it's related to the Eden diamond in some way)

[versed mirage]

Where are you hiding the light and dark memory

[celest birch]

I legit think you're the part of an absorbed soul fragment of the King that is actually sentient.

[narrow marsh]

Make sure to delete that until people ask for it, we dont want tgc removing this one too!

[spiral vault]

Not confirmed, but it's definitely the Steward, they have the exact same hairstyle

[versed mirage]

I’m pretty sure I also saw someone in the group of people with the wasteland elder Mohawk

[spiral vault]

What?? I saw Abyss Guide, but nobody else

[winged bison]

I saw them too
either it is them, someone related to them, or just an easter egg to the cape in game

[grizzled vector]

The Abyss spirits were kinda scavenging stuff left over after the collapse, so it's very possible Abyss Guide found that cape and took it

[gilded tartan]

i don't think it's them, as abyss guide have different hairdo and mask. but perhaps this cape was passed down or found by abyss guide

[winged bison]

hence I mentioned 3 possibilities, like the middle part about possibly being related, or what tem said it was found by abyss guide

[vestal night]

so are we going to ignore the fact that we literallt saw the king for the first time

yoooooo Aleffff

[cobalt palm]

Hail to the king in Eden

[rare ruin]

I don’t agree, the child in the trailer has a different hairstyle from the steward.

The trailer child has blunt bangs
And a centre hairline.

Steward has sweeping bangs and a tilted hairline.

Although its possible steward may be them in the future, they don’t seem to be that different in age to change that much.

[rain frost]

I do agree that their hairstyle looks different, but I think Steward indeed could be them in the future (after their hair grows out a bit) because if they're a skykid they might not age anyway, and we don't know how long they lived after the shattering

[rare ruin]

Im still suspicious but your argument is valid.

Need sky: two embers to come out soon PLEASE

IF IM WRONG IM WRONG! ILL ADMIT IT

[spiral vault]

Well, there's some images where they look closer to steward, and after the events of two embers, their bangs will probably be "ruffled" a bit

They're definitely the same character at least, there was an interview where someone said Steward had hidden importance or something

"Regarding the lore of Sky, Season of Revival is certainly connected to rest of the game at large. One hint of this has to do with the Hopeful Steward's name, which is a clue about this area's unique history and its relationship with the rest of Sky."

Think of it: Hopeful Steward

The character is usually upbeat and outgoing, and they take care of the manatee

stewardship: the careful and responsible management of something entrusted to one's care.

[rain frost]

bonus points if they may be venturing to eden to try and prevent destruction (see: them talking to the vault elder) - they have hope that their world can still be saved

[spiral vault]

The biggest question is where the elder memory takes place, it's such a crucial moment that it can't be skipped, but we've seen barely any elders so far

[rare ruin]

What is the elder memory?

[spiral vault]

#news message

[gilded tartan]

hopeful steward is not a skykid. skykids are a descendant race sent by megabird in order to reconnect all souls. all spirits including stewie don't have the light in their chest, they're just 'normal people' you can say. but i do think that the boy in the trailer is stewie

[hallow topaz]

I think it looks like them

[gilded tartan]

lol i thought of that too. but the hat and mask is different

[oblique garnet]

Could darkstone have connections to zonaite from totk or the mineral from laputa?

[rare ruin]

The diamond holds memories of the last moments of the shattering? But isn’t the diamond also a dark stone? They’re used to power machines in sky

Could be both, understandable why the king is obsessed with it

[spiral vault]

They have light in the chest, but it's extinguished because they're dead

Look at steward closely, and you can find a very faint belonging symbol diamond thingy

[gilded tartan]

they don't. they don't have capacity to produce light on their own, only light creatures and eden king (as well as skykids)

[rain frost]

Steward in the game does have an extinguished center light, I hadnt noticed the child in the trailer didn't though.
hmm,,, you know I'm starting to doubt that's Steward now too - the lack of centre light and the different hair is two strikes 😬

[wind jolt]

Can someone tell me the story of Alef please

[gilded tartan]

lol stewie in aviary doesn't have the shiny diamond in chest as well (u can go to aviary right now and see for yourself). there's diamond design in his shirt. that's all. spirits and even elders don't have the capacity to produce light on their own, hence the lack of the shiny diamond in their chest. Eden king is king because he was the one who has that ability. skykids are lights/fragments of the king, as speculated

[noble ferry]

Well all the stuff known rn is pretty vague
So here’s all the concrete stuff:

• May have been the skykid depicted in one of the isle spirits reliving
• Did all the trials as depicted in the prophecy mural
• May have become the king of the sky kingdom and is very related to the eden diamond
• Alef is btw the concept art name of a character called the Prince. This prince may have become the King of Sky.
• The Prince or the King is pretty much unsaveable now according to the devs 😔

[wind jolt]

Wdym unsaveable and what's the Eden Diamond? Is it the red diamond in Eden?

[noble ferry]

Yeah the eden diamond
As for unsaveable, unlike the other elders, we cannot save them at all. They’re pretty much just…. gone. Nothing left. Nada. To my knowledge at least

[wind jolt]

O so r u saying there's not much info on the king?

Or something else?

[wind jolt]

Do yk and lore on the krills or like dark creatures or like even the king krill

[hushed steeple]

Basically they are corrupted light creatures. (Also this about general premies of sky)

[noble ferry]

Krills are corrupted creatures
There are theories that the manatees in the sky two embers trailer may have been corrupted into what we call krills
Mantas may have also been corrupted into krills according to the abyss season mural

Also there was supposed to be a king bossfight according to the concept arts but it proved too intensive for phones to make i think

[wind jolt]

Woah that's cool and scary cus there could so many things that coulda happened during the 'child's' ruling

[noble ferry]

I suppose we’ll get even more answers on Alef/Resh (Resh is also the concept art name for the king) in the sky show

[wind jolt]

Cooll, tbh today I kept seeing a lot of theories and sky lore on my fyp and wanted to k ow more

[wind jolt]

Are Alef and Resh the same sky kid or different?

[rain frost]

In most interpretations, yes they're the same person. Alef is the name of the Prince, and it's thought he changed his name to Resh when he became king.

[rain frost]

Also, this is a valid point, have we investigated if any other spirits (esp child ones) have that exact diamond symbol on their clothes? (I might check later.) Because honestly it is just clothes, not necessarily an indicator of them being a skykid (as cool of an idea as that is, and as much sense as it would make for the Two Embers to be about two skykids)

[spiral vault]

Yes, the diamond design that no other spirit has

It would also make no sense for one child to be a skykid, and other to just be an ordinary ancestor

ALSO, there was that guy who said the names for the two characters are "star of dawn" and "star of twilight", stars are heavily associated with skykids

[plain fern]

I wonder where our sky children go after we leave sky? Do they go hangout in eden?

[spiral vault]

I wonder if they rest in the stars

[plain fern]

I wonder how our sky child came to be and where did they come from before? Where do the elders come from before?

[spiral vault]

The child probably descended from the stars (maybe Orbit) and were sent here, same for the elders

[gilded tartan]

yes one child has the capacity for light, hence he was made king, that's the story. "Megabird grants flame to Prince and Creatures".

[spiral vault]

One has a faint diamond design and one doesn't, hopeful steward is unique

[spiral vault]

It seems like two embers is different from the concept art story, for example the prince is no longer there from the very start, they appear in the early stages but not at the very beginning

[gilded tartan]

where is the shiny diamond on chest? i see none

[spiral vault]

On steward, it's extremely faint but it's there, it looks a bit like the belonging symbol

Also, in the game itself, skykids don't automatically get their flame, they have to find a red candle and stick it in their chest

One theory of mine is the king does the same, but with a darkstone instead

[gilded tartan]

that's the diamond design on his shirt (which can be seen on stewie in aviary), it is only that, a design, no more no less. It's NOT the shiny diamond I'm talking about that can be seen skykids. Spirits, including elders do NOT have the capcity to produce light, unlike skykids and eden king. hence, eden king was king and not the elders or any other spirits/ancestors

[rain frost]

Not tryna heighten the debate, everyone's entitled to their own theories, but it's also worth noting that I'm pretty sure the average skykid is smaller than child spirits (e.g. hide n seek and pleaful child) whereas Hopeful steward is basically our height

[spiral vault]

A bit blurry, but the faint diamond design is also there

Only with a candle does it have a glowing core

But Steward is dead and doesn't have a glowing core, so it permanently looks like that

[gilded tartan]

the light (represented by candle) came from skykid. stewie or any other spirits (ancestors) don't have this shiny chest diamond even when they're alive. Kindly take a look at the trailer, everyone is still alive and they don't have the shiny chest diamond because they don't have the capacity to produce light. ""Megabird grants flame to Prince and Creatures". This is not theory. THis is from concept story board art lol. I am not making up anything XDDD Also notice the elders take light from us, especially forest elder who snatched our light from us, because they do NOT have the capacity to produce light on their own, to have the candle in their chest

[rain frost]

Could the child in the trailer be hiding their light? It looks like a few layers of clothes there - maybe it's a conscious decision to not let it shine through

I hear what you're saying about what's written in the concept art, but I think that was also written before The Two Embers was in production so they could've changed it by now to extend to two children instead of just the prince.

[hushed steeple]

I thought we were kinda assuming the non-Stew kid is the ones whos gonna become king.

So like, you get to see his slow corruption:

Also pointing out in that new trailer, Stew goes in GW with his mantatee, and then arrives to vault alone.....soooooo

Im pretty sure theres gonna be an ||orbit reunion|| or something to fix it though. Im almost betting money on it.

[rain frost]

omg you've pinpointed when we'll sob our eyes out
it must happen in this location then because this looks near to eden or vault and stewie has the manatee
(maybe that guard they run into does smth )

[spiral vault]

Have you seen the final image of the trailer...

[gilded tartan]

hmm... when i watch the trailer (the 1min trailer), it didn't come to mind that the stewie look alike is eden king, becasue the king is already there (the one in the balcony), and the war was already happening and stewie look alike was there. It looked like the vault elder saw hope in stewie, that he can perhaps be the one to 'save the world' or sth lol.

[trim mural]

nothing else on my mind, only thinking about him

[rare ruin]

Real

[maiden cosmos]

i thought that both the king and the steward kid being skykids is pretty hinted at “the two embers” title

resh is covered by a robe always. and steward has some king of extra sash over where a core could be

[gilded tartan]

hmm... you guys may be right that the stwie look alike is a skykid too, or perhaps at least gained that 'power'? Because he looks like a really 'normal' helpless kid at first. But yes, at the end of trailer, we see a stewie silhouette shiny boi haha. Perhaps this stewie look alike 'died' but got turned into a skykid because he 'merged' with the shiny boi. so perhaps there is a possibility that this is a different kid and not actually stewie 😭 (explains the different hair part and different bangs)

[rare ruin]

Hold up!, the left one looks like the blue caped kid and the right one looks like the steward look alike.

merge?

KING??

[maiden cosmos]

yup definitely them ^_^

[rain frost]

where is this image from. why does it say thank you lmbo

[maiden cosmos]

yea its hard to tell because where the core could be is covered up. though that makes it all the more suspicious haha.

its also odd that this kid cant manipulate light or anything like resh could. but im assuming that the prince only realized his abilities because of the trials

[long vessel]

Actually... maybe! Yesterday, someone with the pins you can scan was showing me some of the places they have access to - one was the Golden Wasteland elder. I noticed he had basically the Belonging symbol on the back of his cape, but before I could take a screenshot, he disappeared. So if anyone has the pins to recreate it and take a pic, that would be awesome!

[maiden cosmos]

its from the anniversary stream. china had theirs released early so thats how we got the clips too

[gilded tartan]

i think at the beginning he wasn't yet a skykid, but at the end, he became one, when he met with the shiny boi 😄

[rain frost]

ohh i see, i didnt see it in the trailer so i got confused lol

[spiral vault]

I think it's a reference to the child hugging scene

Let me guess: Right after the Shattering happens, the king is completely blown up, their soul appears in this dreamlike land, and steward walks forward and hugs them, then the king fades away, and it turns back to reality

[urban flint]

I have theory why Stewie don't have a core

Do you remember the newest intro when you start the game?
Where we pick up candle from the ground?

Maybe Stewie in the past like us also had candle like that, but never was able to use it like we do

And when we picked it up and merge with us
We not only got ability to use light normally that way
But what if we're also got with us part of Stewie? The one that wants to safe this world despite how long it was?
This would also explain why his quests from Season of Revival are telling us to go to each world

Just like he and King could have travel before us

Sorry if that sounds weird or don't have any sense

[untold ridge]

Do you think that despite the realms being seperate, often interact with eachother (other than the elders)

[urban flint]

I believe so

The King first get to the Trials

Then Traveled to Praire and further to get to the Eden

Plus in trailers and some spirits in the game showing Isle we can see them also going to Praire

Since I doubth that meeting Elder was their only reason to travel with so many people

So it may means that Elders were guardians of specific realms
And the were allowing to travel to the others if someone needed

[untold ridge]

If that was the case, how were their relations with eachother? If they decided to not be together and rather stay apart in seperate realms than what might be the reason for this?

[urban flint]

Depends really

But at the beggining it's likely the reason to travel were simply to trade with each other

For example: Before the King appeared and started grow of the realms with dark stones, Valley of Triumph could have very little resources and needed to trade to survive

And we have old information saying that before Valley became Capital, Daylight Prairie had it's role
So it comfirms Valley wasn't in big glory in the past

We also have Forgotten Ark - it was on a travel
But got catch up in the storm
And we can assume it was traveling from one realm to other
Maybe also because of trade reasons

More sad reasons are the wars
Season of Rememberance spirits don't looki like Scholars
And their memories show that
We can assume they came from Golden Wasteland

And of course the spirit family in Season of Belonging - we gather them from each realm to meet with Grandma

The only reason to stay separate started later - wars, Kings orders ect.

This could have brake previous peace and force realms to not interact with each other

[untold ridge]

(if only i caught up with what people are going for in the lore than i could understand the king better) I find it intresting in the pc release trailer for sky there are a group of children along with a few what i assume to be scholars or elders (but not really elders if you know what i mean) that seem to be traveling to the temple in the isle of dawn and the backround had grass. The elder/shcolar in particular seems to be strict at first but than gives up when the children are excited and seeing the wonders and given the trials in there I could imagine there are some practices that the realms might not have been fond of eachother for that reason. Im just speculationg from observation

[untold ridge]

Unfoutunately, its a little small so i cant read it very good

[urban flint]

I don't think at that time they had reasons to not like eachother
Especially because of scholar clothes we can assume he studied in Vault of Knowledge (at least I'm staying with that believe)

Kids could not be allowed to go eariel from the realms and that's why they are excited to travel
And with King appearance it could have changed because trials were no longer needed

[untold ridge]

I think outsiders from other realms could visit realms that are not their territory but not allowed to overstay their welcome?

[urban flint]

I mean that is part of trading
You stay for a moment to sell
Buy few things
And go back

But at the same time it could depends on the Elders if someone was allowed or not to their realm really
Sorry once again if my talking don't make any sense-

[untold ridge]

I meant like other than trading, like a quick stop, place to sleep or something

[untold ridge]

True got a point

[waxen ermine]

Actually they could travel and live in different realms

One developer said the postman was not from the village of dreams and decided to live there (I think? I can’t remember)

[untold ridge]

(cassually making up a theory on the sky kingdom immigration policies)

[waxen ermine]

^ This

[gilded tartan]

"The grand fortress and machinery were built closest to the sky to mine the soul migration. Drawing from the soul cycle so inhumanely was the Ruler's final display of hubris." --> wow. eden king is really messed up

[rain frost]

i wonder why Daylight Prairie stopped being the Grand Glorious Realm - it seems like a place so rich with darkstone (see prairie peaks) would naturally become a hub of civilization. what does valley even have for resources? why was it chosen for the "triumphant" realm?

[urban flint]

It might have been because it became quickly growing realm after the production started and a lot od people wanted to come there

Also thanks to dark stones people had much more time to spend on other things

Unlike other realms, Valley had time to start music and theathre
But also games and plays
Because of that a lot od people lived there
And arrived to see it

Meanwhile Praire still has the darkstones (big Crystals inside the cave)
Which may means they never though of mining there and focused on the forest, where they had factory

[gilded tartan]

I think... prairie is like 'rural' and valley is like 'city'. The resources came from 'rural' (prairie as well as forest) to build a 'city' (valley).

[rain frost]

that's true, peaks still having darkstones implies maybe it wasn't even the most rich in resources: that honour probably goes to forest, like you said

and honestly, i may be a little biased, but if valley has always been the sunset realm with the snowy mountaintops, maybe it was chosen to be the triumphant luxury/sport-driven city simply because its beautiful. what makes victory better than pleasant scenery? not to say the other realms arent beautiful, but the sweeping slopes and colorful skies just lend valley something different.

[twin halo]

so real...

[celest birch]

What´s interesting about the Diamond of Eden is that it's apparently located inside the Castle in the Sky while in the game, it´s directly below it. Maybe the Shattering was so strong that it literally blew the castle apart and fell to the mountain´s peak? O_o

[celest birch]

Agreeing; that is absolute evil right there.

Which does remind me that if it´s true that the King´s/Ruler´s soul split into Skykids, then this means that their destiny of delivering wl through Eden serves as both means of repentance and ultimate Karmic Retribution possible. 🤭 😈

Trying to harvest from the soul cycle only to end up being permanently bound into it via the very thing that gives him as a Skykid power of change: winged light.

[celest birch]

(sorry for the ping!) Dude, imagine if we actually get the Corrupted King fight in the animated series before the Shattering happens.

[noble ferry]

That's fine
It would be sick tho
and also turn every phone into a free campfire yay!!!

[celest birch]

I was actually thinking this would happen in the animated series, not in the game ... 🤭

[noble ferry]

Well only in the animated series
if it were ingame, yeah 📲 💥 🔥 😭

[celest birch]

Given how it says how the King/Ruler sacrifice himself to return light back into the skies, then this means that the statues we give wl to in Storm Lock are past Skykids indeed. O_o Literally mirroring and repeating this final act of the Ruler/King for all eternity~

Really smells like both penance and Karmic Retribution.

[noble ferry]

🤔

[celest birch]

And yes, given the 6th Shard Memory, imagine if that fight happens between the Ruler and the Elders.

[noble ferry]

and it will end in a hug and light being sacrificed

[celest birch]

Or rather what we see with the Dark Child being what´s left of the King and the bright glowing figure being Stewie-like boy/the boy that was trying to persuade the King to give up his power for the greater good.

Which I´d say would definitely conclude that we Skykids are fragments of the King/Ruler. ^^;

Which pretty much means that now as a Skykid, he is personally feeling the consequences of what happened due to his actions as the Ruler, especially in GW and what´s left of Eden. O_O

[noble ferry]

😔
well let us see

[spiral vault]

It's like Las Vegas, built in the middle of nowehere

[twin halo]

actually if you look closely at the Two Embers clips (as well as the murals) the Diamond is below, inside the mountain peak
the one in the game seems to have actually exploded OUT of the mountain, floating towards the sky

considering the amount of Castle in the Sky references present in the game this one also makes a lot of sense hehe, since the diamond eventually breaks through the caste in the movie

[mild marten]

JUST SAW THE CLIP AND OH MY GODDDDDDDD

SHATTERING WASNT FOR LITERALLY NOTHING LETS GOOOOOO ITS FINALLY NOT #3 ON THE NOTHING BURGER LIST (nesting and assembly still have to be topped) 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

[celest birch]

Thank you! And since I also got that great image of the Diamond post-Shattering that kind of looks like the most unholy diamond-shaped Saturn thanks to the game-breaking hard-lock (now soft-lock due to the "Do you want to continue alone?" prompt), I wonder if the floating rocks around it are remnants of those same windows.

[celest birch]

I see them cracks on the Diamond of Eden; no wonder why it went BOOM! 😈

[shrewd mango]

Sorry for the ping-

There's a bit in the art book that said the king sacrificed himself.

Maybe the elders try to "hold down" the power of the diamond but was blasted by an energy wave or something then the King at the top is the final blow that "shattered" it?

[celest birch]

No worries! ^-^

That could be how things happened as well and the hugging wl-children ontop of the Shattering Diamond is what happened between what´s left of the King (the dark child) and the bright Steward-looking child (which might be the child that wished for the King to relinquish his power for the greater good).

Which is still being replayed over and over again, albeit with us Skykids (dark kids) and whoever the bright child is, which might be the combination of the King and the bright kid they saw as a dark kid.

[shrewd mango]

I remember someone said in here that when we see the castle in one of the realms it seems much closer in the peak then when we ascend in Eden, the castle is much higher off the ground. They theorized that the building around the castle that was grounding it broke off (like the pillars that gets destroyed by the whale/ fall) causing it to ascend much higher and by the time we descend back it drains of power to lower back down?

[celest birch]

Speaking of which, after removal of the giant Eden twin from Hermit Valley, this is the absolute closest we can see the mountain now and daaaaang.

[waxen ermine]

You should try using the in game camera, it can zoom in even further! It’s pretty incredible

From what I seen so far, the same model is used everywhere even in the potential closest Starlight Desert

[twin halo]

btw, the Sky Shop is still down but, is the art book still available for purchase? I need that lore arrgh

[celest birch]

What really makes me impressed that even on the mountain you can actually see the Wind and Rocks-part of the way as well as the presumed cave you exit out of to start your ascension to the peak. :D

[celest birch]

Speaking of lore, holy yikes the city surrounding the main building that´s housing the Diamond of Eden!

While in the game, it literally looks like ... that. O_O The second image is the entrance to the Storm Lock, which you can also see in the Twin Embers´ "before-Shattering" version and since this area of Eden is literally called "Dark Dragons and Battlefield" as well ...

[celest birch]

Took the camera to Eden again for you, lore chat. Feel free to compare them to what we see in Twin Embers! :)
-> Great Gate to Eden from the back; I still wonder what is that huge tower in the distance
-> Entrance to "Dark Dragons and Battlefield" area; it really resembles Isle of Dawn´s Temple Door, don´t you think?
-> Entirety of the "Dark Dragons and Battlefield" area, which, by this point, should be named "Ruined City (of Eden)".
-> Way to the Storm Lock

[vocal terrace]

Canon resh gives off homeless man vibes,

In other words. Why does he dress the way he does? I wanna know some interpretations from you guys!

[celest birch]

Honestly, that outfit of his really gives me Pope-like vibes. Or the Archpriest.

[lament quarry]

Ay guys can someone explain to me the difference between king resh and prince Alef? Cuz I’m getting confused 👁️👄👁️

[vocal terrace]

From what I know, they are essentially the same person, the names being different simply because of their beta work had those labels, wich are both Hebrew words.

[celest birch]

Well, now we can actually see the King. I presume that by this point, Alef/the Prince might be the kid that tried to persuade the King/Resh to relinquish his power.

But yeah, as :3 says otherwise.

[vocal terrace]

It's pretty strange that the king has 2 names

[celest birch]

Concept and beta-work tends to be like that, as they´re essentially ideas out of a brainstorm. :)

[lament quarry]

So the kid and resh is the same person but it’s just a flashback or what?

[celest birch]

We shall see; for now I´m kind of convinced that they´re not the same person anymore, but we shall see. If you ask me, that is.

[twin halo]

probably covering up corrupted skin
that's my theory at least, and the reason why they wear gloves

[lament quarry]

Is there an official date for when it’s supposed to be out?

[lament quarry]

OH WAIT THAT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE I NEVER THOUGHT OF IT THAT WAY

[twin halo]

I think Jenova said next year but mhh we don't know when
it was supposed to come out March 2024, then it got delayed but was still due to 2024
so if they delayed it to 2025 I would assume it to be in the beginning of the year since they seem to have a lot of it already done

[celest birch]

Why choose when you can have both (regarding the King´s outfit)? 🤭

[vocal terrace]

Came back with the meaning of the names

Resh: top, head of man , man , first , beginning

Aleph (actual spelling idk) :god , strong , power , leader , ox-head

[celest birch]

Yeah, that definitely sounds like something out of Twin Embers premises, with Aleph/Alef being in line to be a new Ruler (aka the boy that becomes the King) and Resh being the current Ruler.

Since we did see pre-Shattering Eden in one of these first clips. :D

[waxen ermine]

I think you got mixed up, Aleph means first/beginning? (Not in the literal sense) It’s the first letter of the alphabet (and inspired the Greek letter alpha that became A)

[vocal terrace]

Hmmm ok is it ok if I put the pin I found for the meanings?

[waxen ermine]

Strange

[vocal terrace]

It's likely that resh and aleph as a word have some interchangable meanings , not all but some

[waxen ermine]

Ah I suppose it does! I looked online and some sources say it means first/beginning but not all

[vocal terrace]

I wonder if their old names still have some character significance with the canon

[lament quarry]

Where’d you find this? It’s pretty cool

[vocal terrace]

Found it in Pinterest with some key words "herbrew with meanings" for a general search

[lament quarry]

Ah thanks!

[vocal terrace]

Funny idea that popped up in my head, is resh bald?

[twin halo]

we don't know
in the scene we see them in they are wearing a hood over their head

[celest birch]

1, I love the ❗above cartoony Resh and 2, fabric means only one thing. Vault Elder "hair".

From what we have, that is, which just makes me think of him being sort of an Archpriest-like figure.

[waxen ermine]

Something I noticed about Resh from this picture, what is his body proportions?

[celest birch]

Which is why the castle looks shattered in 4 pieces with a central piece between them in the game. Good Lord.

Also, looking at the image of the central chamber of the Diamond of Eden, I now can't unsee 2 faces whose jaws have dropped all the way down (windows), which was my honest reaction to seeing that. 😂😂

[waxen ermine]

(Struggling to figure out where his waist is

[vocal terrace]

Oooo that gave me a few ideas brb

Some hair ideas lol

[celest birch]

One thing is certain, from that image of him turning to the camera, I'd estimate that the King is absolutely Elder-size, probably around Golden Wasteland Elder-scale (who is the biggest one of the group). And even then, the Diamond of Eden is absolutely gargantuan.

[twin halo]

bonus idea
moth but L O N G

[celest birch]

Don't give devs any ideas. Even if tbh, I'd wear that.

[twin halo]

I mean a similar hairstyle kinda already exists
this is the one I use when I wanna cosplay Resh in-game

[celest birch]

That haircut kind of reminds me of Phobos from W.I.T.C.H. and I love it. Is it from a seasonal spirit?

[twin halo]

nope it's a base one

[dusky dune]

“Oh em gosh they’re BALD! AND THEYRE BULLYING PEOPLE WHO HAVE HAIR!!” /jk

[vocal terrace]

It's likely him having him bald or similar to his small very but what a about

[twin halo]

argh I'm supposed to work on artfight, now I wanna draw Resh
curse the hyperfixation

[dusky dune]

REAL
literally since yesterday I’ve been working on a au with Resh PFT

[celest birch]

Use him in an art fight! With his gargantuan Diamond of Eden!

[twin halo]

I'm interested

[vocal terrace]

Maybe there should be a chat dedicated to him lol, the resh shrine

[dusky dune]

I’m working out if I wanna have it like a evil resh Au or not that I’m still in limbo for

[twin halo]

I wanted to create a server dedicated to sky lore and idk Elders/Resh art and AUs/headcanons
If there's enough interest I actually might

[dusky dune]

if you do I am heavily interested 👀

[twin halo]

there's like 100 people total in the sky community that actually care about the lore so I wanted to gather them ahahaha /playful

[dusky dune]

I only have 1 person to ramble to about sky ocs and she works most of the week

[celest birch]

I mean, given that the book apparently mentions that the Diamond of Eden was meant to harvest light from THE SOUL CYCLE ITSELF (life -> death -> rebirth), I'd say that cements the King as corrupted as the Krill (aside this being the King's greatest hubris).

[dusky dune]

Count me in!!

[vocal terrace]

Me 2! Elder hc are fun

[twin halo]

nice! can I add you as a friends? if I create it I cannot send links here

[vocal terrace]

Any thoughts?

[dusky dune]

Sure! ^^

[dusky dune]

Y’all hear me out-/jk

[twin halo]

there's an artist on tumblr that draws Resh with a beard I LOVE their design

[dusky dune]

le gasp ooooo I gotta see that for sure hrhdhxjje

[celest birch]

Now let's just hope that in time we do get his crown/mask. Especially if it has the shield-effect or even Krill Repulsion effect. 😈

[vocal terrace]

I think resh would be considered both handsome and ugly as heck

[dusky dune]

I LOVE THAT PFFT XD

[twin halo]

welp hold on, ahahah I believe the person I'm referring to is @vocal terrace ahaha

[celest birch]

Try drawing him without his robe, I bet he's got a literal nest of dark crystals all over his body. ;D

[vocal terrace]

IS THAT U LMAO, I SAW UR ANALYSIS ON THE CLIPS

[dusky dune]

casually adding that to headcanons

[celest birch]

I'm totally imagining like literal crystal hair on his limbs while his chest has the big crystal clusters. I'd try to recreate that in HeroForge, but I'm not on my laptop now. Maybe tomorrow.

[dusky dune]

I swear I will add/follow y’all on tumblr fr gegrgrhrg

[twin halo]

help YEAH I'm Felix-Krain, you're mistyplace-ghost right? (also gtg!)

[vocal terrace]

Yes! I am, didn't think I'd be speaking with you lol

[dusky dune]

I have now successfully followed u both MUHAHA

[vocal terrace]

New hc

[lament quarry]

Anyone knows what the difference between the elders and the ancestors is? I’m reading some lore theories on tmblr and they seem to be talking about them as if it’s two different things

[celest birch]

You just need to make the Diamond of Eden kaiju-sized. 😂😂

[vocal terrace]

Let's say ancestors are normal mortals, elders are ancestors but with greater power , influence and lifespan (not sure if it's fully true but it's there)

[twin halo]

ahahah neither did I
but at this point I'm convinced it's like 5 of us going insane over this star shaped individual, it was eventual we would meet ahahahaha

[celest birch]

Elders are seen as leaders of their specific realms while Ancestors are pretty much all spirits of the old. :)

[lament quarry]

Alright but do we even see ancestors in the game? Like do we have an example of an ancestor from the game?

[vocal terrace]

The spirits are ancestors

[lament quarry]

Ooohh so just all spirits or only guides and such?

[celest birch]

I mean, we hadn't seen him in flesh for YEARS, it's understandable why are we all getting so hyper. 😂😂 Now imagine him just being swarmed with our Skykid avatars.

[vocal terrace]

Us rn, he's the character I both love and hate at the same time lol

[twin halo]

bsahahahahah that's what they deserve for not existing for more than 5 years

[vocal terrace]

Your wish is my command

[celest birch]

Pity he's not around to be saved anymore, but well, if it turns out that his remnants post-Shattering did turn into Skykids ...

[twin halo]

get the old man!!

[celest birch]

And that's why Storm Lock is a thing. 🤭

[vocal terrace]

We definitely need a server dedicated to him lol

[twin halo]

okay, I will provide (I do need some time to set up everything properly tho)

[celest birch]

... then this means that by interacting with each other, we're interacting with Resh as well.

[vocal terrace]

I do have some pre-leak interpretations I had of him, I had so many hc 2 I'd like to share one here real quick

[celest birch]

Why is this giving me King Arthur-as-a-priest vibe?!

[vocal terrace]

I really thought he was going to be more ornate/fabulous

[celest birch]

All.

[lament quarry]

WHY THE HONK ARE YOU GUYS SO GOOD AT DRAWING WE ARENT EVEN IN THE ARTIST CHAT??

[celest birch]

Sorry, lore chat kind of got engulfed in hyper-fanism for the King. :'D

[vocal terrace]

Oops! I forgot

[lament quarry]

No no! I’m just jealous of your skills 😭

[celest birch]

While here I was, thinking that he most closely resembles the giant statues (turrets?) we see in Battlefield in GW because I saw the concept art. :'D

[waxen ermine]

LOL I love all this fan art

[vocal terrace]

I mean tbh in his beta art he was quite literally darkstone lol

[celest birch]

When corrupted, absolutely. Even though the concept art for corrupted Descendants really creeped me out because holy moly, they just looked like darkstone golems, potentially zombified too. O_o Which is probably how the King looked like as well when corrupted ...

... which does make me wonder that given how we're actually seeing the King here, shall we get to see his corrupted self as well??

[vocal terrace]

It's likely (in my opinion) unlikely, because resh is possibly aimed to sympathetic in a way, or I think they are going to make him that way, and in order to do so , they may have to avoid making him to monsterust but idk

[vocal terrace]

Ty!

[celest birch]

Dunno, literally using the Diamond of Eden to harvest light from the very cycle of life, death and rebirth itself is pretty dang monstrous to me. 😅 Not to mention that if the consequence of his Diamond activation is the creation of Krills ...

[vocal terrace]

That's is true , but sympathetic doesn't always mean we believe he doesn't deserve it, it's more of "it's rather pathetic but I ig I understand" thing lmao

[celest birch]

For now, the guy seems to look pretty antagonistic to me (and especially nowadays when others implied that the Eden mural shows people of the "higher class" praying to him like he's a new deity) and in order to make him a slightest bit sympathetic, it'll take a hella lot. But well, when episodes start rolling out, we shall see.

For now my sympathies definitely go to the lost boy and their poor crystal-debilitated manatee.

[vocal terrace]

Hmm that's true, I definitely think he's a full on villain of sorts, but also he'sy bbg and I will bully him (affectionatly) for so

[celest birch]

*Which does remind me that the candle the boy lights up is pretty interesting on its own, given how it seems to be the same color as Seasonal Candles.

We shall see. Hopefully they do manage to make a sort-of-redeeming story to him.

Aka going fully with his sacrifice-arc as read in the Art of Sky.

[lyric imp]

Wait, is two embers out yet?

[celest birch]

Since that would perfectly justify why is our destiny (as Skykids) to shepherd wl through Eden.

[vocal terrace]

No, just some leaks from what I think is from china as they got it early

[lyric imp]

:o

[vocal terrace]

Hmmm I also think they might go for a "interpret as you will" route as they usually do 2, so he could be anything really

[celest birch]

We shall see.

[vocal terrace]

Huhuhu , now Im just thinking - since he is a king does he have suitors of sorts?

Nahhh

He likes himself and darkstone to much

[twin halo]

aaaaaa!! I love this design sm !!!

[vocal terrace]

Ty! It was very fun to draw

[spiral vault]

I think "alef and resh" are just two names for the same person, in different eras of time

Alef would be the short-haired child

Resh would be the child sometime later, as a king

But the names are probably gonna be something else

[long vortex]

This is fine to post here right-

[hushed steeple]

They prolly ain't getting names in the show honestly. So Resh n Alef stiCKIN FOREVER BOYYYYYSSS!

Also if there is still an "earth" in this world, it was probably decimated by his actions, imagine, no new life being able to reach the world below, what would happen to the expecting parents? Im not sure I want to think too darkly about it. But feeding off actual souls is WONDERFULLY deliciously complex plot point, just what I been waiting for!

[spiral vault]

Wrong, there will be no dialogue, but there will be narration

Also, the hebrew names aren't canon

[real sentinel]

The leak looks so cool. Has there been any sort of predicted release date for the series?

[hushed steeple]

Im fulling expecting "the Ruler" and "the boy" the whole way through. Of course the names ain't full canon thats why they "stick"!

[pallid halo]

No dialogue but narration feels right. Sky's a game without spoken dialogue save for the Aurora concert, would feel rather odd if people just suddenly started speaking.

[grizzled vector]

ten episodes of everyone just honking and emoting at each other

[pallid halo]

Jokes on you I'd watch ten episodes of honks and emotes.

[empty belfry]

this is totally not lore but what does lorechat think of the idea that skykids colour in their scars with a gold colour? Like an old chinese(?) practice of painting cracks of fixed broken pottery with shimmery gold. I mean, assuming skykids are clay. i think itd be neat, for them to decorate their cracks and scars

plus, i suppose in a way it relates to masks and such. Masks in sky seems to usually have paint on them, carved from wood or stone and painted to create a piece of art to be worn

[vast zealot]

AWW that’s cute

even further the sky kids are beings of light so they could fill in the scars with golden light and they could glow

a sky kid could even have an entire prosthetic limb made of light and it glows

[cobalt palm]

Eden's artbook scene, reminding me of shattering's pendant so much

[empty belfry]

yesss this!! That was my thought process!! It shows a sign of community and society

[vast zealot]

i remember reading once about how the first sign of human civilization and community was a healed bone from thousands of years ago, because someone had to take care of the person who broke their leg

it reminds me of that, sky kids fill eachother’s scars as a true sign of humanity and community

[empty belfry]

Thats what its based on! that broken femur bone

[vast zealot]

this kinda makes me wonder like what time period would sky take place in? is it the distant past or perhaps the far future

i think, if sky does in fact take place on earth, it would be far far far in the future, because evidence of inspiration from human cultures can be seen in many cosmetics, so the spirits who wear those cosmetics could have been inspired by the ancient forgotten relics of the human past

[maiden cosmos]

my thing of him just before the trailer came out

[vocal terrace]

Lmao

[oblique garnet]

I'm glad I came here

[maiden cosmos]

i love losten to ramblings omg… thats why im here heehee

i would listen

[empty belfry]

i personally believe its not earth exactly but its a very simmilar type of planet. Ansestors/spirits arent human, thats for sure but its totally an earth like concept.

As for time period? We dont really..have much to go on for that sadly.. All we know is that thefirst skykids had started falling ATLEAST 200 or 300 years after the fall of edenbased on decay and such. I personally place it around ~430 years after the fall based on the way structures are crumbled

[maiden cosmos]

plsplspls (im done backreading sorry guys)

[vocal terrace]

Mmm let me ask my group

[empty belfry]

but spirits had time to start their own (rough) version of an iron/stone revoloution.cso maybe their society was about 500 or so years along advanced, possibly further? The revoloution of darkstones and eden falling were incredibly close together from what we can guess, maybe 10 years apart? So i'dsay sky takes place around the year ~930 in their worldor maybe 1000. ~500BE(Before Eden) ~430AE(After Eden)

ok im done rambling now i havent had a good lorechat ramble for awhile

[dusky dune]

One of us one of us XD

[maiden cosmos]

it is interesting. the pc trailer does say “many years later” but that could mean pretty much any time. i found it also interesting through that the buildings arent too harshly decayed, theres barely overgrowth. many just fell and/or sunk to the ground. i assume that may take as little as decades to happen

[empty belfry]

It could mean any amount of time later, thats true. But the amount of time it would take for just buildings to decay and sink into the ground! Example: a church(cant remember what one) that was build in the 1700s has sunken into the ground but still requires stairs to get into. but some take a lot less time. So i placed it at ~430 years because that seems to be the general time it takes for stone and brick and clay buildings to sink. The ones in wasteland arent the best estimate, though. Using the clouds and the TTE trailer We can see that water and clouds have had enough time to reclaim some of the land, rendering any of its former uses..well..unusable

im typing a whole essay here how come i cant do this for my schoolwork 🤨

[dusky dune]

Real

[maiden cosmos]

oh yeahs that do make sense as well -w-

[empty belfry]

Soo any more lore to talk about yall? I havent had a good chat about sky lore in a hot minute (Since the first TTE trailer dropped)

[forest hornet]

I would also love to join this potential server

[maiden cosmos]

me too

[waxen ermine]

If you’re gonna make a king server, please send me a DM invite as well!

[dusky dune]

I can dm ya ^^

[spice sun]

(1/2)
I’m gonna leave this here because I’ve been thinking about it for a while and I need to let it out (TLP Spoilers [and sadness])
I used annoyed that with all the seasons and the seasonal quests that could be repeated, the Season of the Little Prince is the only one whose quests can’t be redone. I thought, “that’s annoying, what if I wanted to replay it for a video?”
And that’s when it hit me why I think TGC chose not to do that.
Throughout the seasonal quests, we bond a little closer to the Little Prince. We get to know him. Befriend him. I even read the book as soon as I could just to know him a bit more. But I seem to have forgotten one simple thing:
“One runs the risk of crying a bit if one allows oneself to be tamed.”
In Sky and the book, The Little Prince ends up leaving this world. It was inevitable; he says both times that he must, in order to go back to his rose (i don’t think we get a POV of the rose in the book, but in Sky, we see her getting in worse condition- not because the Prince didn’t take care of her, but because she mourns for the absence of her friend.) And then we never see him again.
But it’s selfish, isn’t it? To keep the Prince here for ourself? That’s the thing when making friends- or becoming ‘tamed.’ Eventually, we will shed tears for our friends, whether it’s because they are leaving (in more than one ways), maybe because of a fight, or simply because things happen. We end up drifting apart. Sometimes it’s out of our control, like in Sky. But I think it’s the time we spent with those friends that makes them so important to us. “It is the time you have wasted for your rose that makes your rose so important,” as the fox in the book said.
So to go along with this theme of cherishing the time you have with your friend, perhaps that is why TGC chose not to make TLP’s quests replayable. We can’t bring the memories back of our friends and make them better, redo them again and again. But we can hold dear the moments we did spend.

(2/2)
And we know the little Prince lived. We know he exists. “The proof that the little Prince existed is that he was charming, that he laughed, and that he was looking for a sheep.” And in Sky, we obviously have the seasonal quest area- but also the flock of birds in every place he visited. (And in the ending credits, I think we see him back on his asteroid with his rose!) And the thousands, if not millions, of players touched by his story.
It’s okay to cry. I’m one of those players, too.
“In one of those stars I shall be living. In one of them I shall be laughing. And so it will be as if all the stars were laughing, when you look at the sky at night. And when your sorrow is comforted (time soothes all sorrows) you will be content that you have known me. You will always be my friend...I shall not leave you.” -The Little Prince

In summary: I’m sad that we can’t replay the seasonal quests, but I’m glad that we got to see them in the first place (and The Little Prince is an amazing book)

[grizzled vector]

I can see how that kinda makes sense but at the same time... it's a game. You can still see the Little Prince again if you make a new account, it's just kind of a pain. Having to jump through artificial hoops to rewatch a few cutscenes is not really the same as experiencing loss.

It also irritates me because it makes purely technical issues disproportionately impactful. Sometimes when you try to use built-in video recording function it fails to save the video properly. So you cannot really rely on it to save those moments. Someone whose phone storage is full cannot even record it at all. Etc.

Also, it made a bit more sense during the season since the Prince was there "in the flesh" (not as a spirit) at the time. It would in fact be kinda weird to hang out with him again after finishing the last quest of the season. But now he's a spirit from the beginning anyway so...

[waxen ermine]

Awww… that makes a little more sense, it gives me some closure over why we can’t play with him anymore (other than he’s a copyrighted character, if sky was made 100 years later maybe we could always have him)

(Solo players would understand the feeling, he’s the only friend)

But meanwhile…. Why can’t we replay abyss?!!!! That was also my favorite and I adored it!

Out of every season, the two best seasons for me are un-replayable

[grizzled vector]

Yea, I always assumed part of the reason is probably the fact it's a collab, but still... it's silly. It's not like the actual book burns itself after you read it.

Rant over <_<

[waxen ermine]

Strangely, the deer one is a replayable collab
I’m assuming because the original story it was based on is maybe hundreds of years old? so it’s fine to (public domain and stuff)

||It is at least fun to destroy the dragons with all the animal friends, hehe
I love how the crab is flying, it’s doing its best||

[grizzled vector]

The Abyss questline kinda makes somewhat permanent changes to the world so that might be the reasoning, but I agree that's also just annoying more than anything. Technically every time you go to Eden that whale breaks that piece of wall, I am assuming they'd run out of walls considering how many times I've done it by now. But that doesn't seem to be an issue really

[waxen ermine]

It’s funny to imagine the more you go to Eden, the less and less of the castle you see

Maybe the castle will be completely cleared in the future and the holy beam will be back to normal

[grizzled vector]

Pretty sure the diamond would be gone too by now considering how many huge chunks of it have fallen over the years

[waxen ermine]

In real life, if left alone, nature will always repair itself

Like for example before the pandemic, scientists were scared because the hole in the ozone layer was getting worse and it’s unfixable

Then the pandemic happened and due to less people going out, it repaired slowly

And those radioactive sites untouched by humans are overgrown with plants
Well, radioactive plants but still…

[grizzled vector]

I think they may have made the Deer replayable because a lot of people were vocally frustrated with the very first quest. Originally it would take you absolutely by surprise when first entered the season area, even by accident (e.g. teleporting to a friend who was in the season area, not doing the quest). They were probably able to check in with copyright holders before the season was finalized and it presumably wasn't a big deal to make the quests replayable.

Nature may never truly repair itself from all the damage we are causing but it will likely replace it with something else over time. Even if we destroy all complex life on earth, multicellular organisms would probably evolve again in another billion years or so.

Though if we do enough damage it could well take much longer for the nature to "repair" it than it would for us to go extinct

[waxen ermine]

This is a real photo of the radioactive area famous in Europe (I think the bot deleted my message for saying its name)

Repaired in 30 years

And this (because less humans went outside with their cars and stuff)

[pallid halo]

I know the place you're referring to, but the bot bonked me for saying the name.

[grizzled vector]

Fascinating... I'm pretty sure I know what place you're talking about but yea no idea why it would be auto-censored. But yea.

[pallid halo]

This is a family friendly discord. The topic of that city might be a bit much.

[grizzled vector]

I guess... but really? We're routinely discussing in-universe wars and civilization-level extinction events. That particular incident kinda pales in comparison

[waxen ermine]

True, Sky has a magic aspect to it

[grizzled vector]

Of course it being a real-life event could potentially make the discussion a controversial subject in a way that discussing fictional lore wouldn't, but... I'm not really aware of it being particularly controversial. Oh well

[dusky dune]

I forgot to send it earlier I’ve sent it now 👍

[grizzled vector]

Anyway, going back to the original point... yea. It's pretty difficult to completely and permanently eradicate "nature" (i.e. all life in the world). It is very much possible to eradicate individual species, however. And, as even the game itself makes a point of, it's very much possible for a civilization to eradicate itself. We ourselves are but a single species, after all.

[waxen ermine]

Yup, all nations have a life cycle, none last forever

[grizzled vector]

Granted, in-game "nature" seems to survive mostly because animals seem capable of going directly to space and back on their own, which is where the analogy breaks down a bit, but I'm probably about to be told I'm overthinking things again

[waxen ermine]

Found this Tytler Cycle of civilisations, it might apply to the realms
(Assuming we start at Faith, I think)

[forest hornet]

Something that I brought up in another server that I've been thinking about but it's assumed to be believed that Resh became King when he was still a child right? Imagine the amount of pressure he must have felt being the so called Chosen One or whatever term you'd use

Possibly feeling pressured to prove himself to the kingdom that he deserved the title of King and could live up to it, which is possibly why he pursued the path of darkstone so badly because it was revolutionizing the kingdom and people seemed to be happy so this had to be the right choice, right? (It was in fact not)

[strange flare]

I went on to take pictures of mantas. And realized they have this glowing gem shaped thing on top and bottom of their face

I feel like this may relate to the theory that the manta's remains (after being put into light extraction) / pollution is what becomes krills

Season of abyss murals about the lab and experimentation that may have created the krills

[waxen ermine]

Yeah true,
I think they were sending children into trials because they saw the prophecy mural that a child would become king, so once someone successfully completed them, they hurried to make him king

Road to hell is paved with good intentions

[waxen ermine]

I believe those are their eyes, other light creatures have this kind of thing (e.g manatee)

[forest hornet]

Indeed

[waxen ermine]

I’m confused if sky kid eyes are the two lights or one forehead light, or when maskless they have no eyes (And King has a strange mask)

But it seems the two lights are the eyes, they get covered in hide and seek and when wearing the blue days of nature shades, your vision becomes polarised

[forest hornet]

Don't we have eyelashes when we take our masks off?

[waxen ermine]

Oh we do?
(Never saw a maskless player up close)

[forest hornet]

Yeah let me try and find a pic on the wiki...

[strange flare]

I heard from someone that krills eyes could probably be dark stone or krills could be mechanical, I feel that if they are from the mantas this feels somewhat related

[spiral vault]

"child" and "ruler" are used in the concept art book, so possibly

[grizzled vector]

I seem to recall a mention that there was some concern over "uncanny valley" when it comes to the character faces. Fairly sure that's the primary reason everyone wears masks and maskless faces are very simplified and minimalistic. Performance would be another reason (poly count on most things in general was noticeably lower back when the game launched). Presumably Ancestors and Descendants still have "human" features like eyes/ears/mouths/etc but they just aren't really modeled in detail

For that matter, they may not necessarily play by quite the same rules where biology/anatomy is concerned. Someone noted that creatures of light "evolve" over their lifetimes (pokemon-style), possibly all the way from butterflies to whales and what not, and grow extra limbs in the process. Ancestors don't really seem to do that

[scarlet flax]

Today I was doing a cr in sanctuary islands when I saw the little ring of stones and then I got a thought, what is sanctuary islands was a port like isle of dawn. It would make sense to have more than one entrance into a kingdom. There is some evidence that supports this like boats around the island and a bell tower. If you don't know, back in the day ships would pull up to harbour and wait for a bell tower to chime and reset their clocks. A famous one is in Greenwich, England. Something I don't understand is the boat inside the caves, it might of been some type of storage? I don't know.

[light minnow]

As far as i'm aware the ozone layer isn't just "covid fixed it"
Because if that were the case, it would be back to getting destroyed by now
It isn't
The thing is we actually did something about it to limit the utilisation of products that destroyed it, and it worked
The ozone layer hole is a proof that when things are actually done, we are capable of making good things happen

The ozone layer serves as example that we as a society have the means to stop hurting nature and to make things better : it proves that it's not an hopeless fight

[waxen ermine]

Ohhh! My mistake
Thank you for your correction

[strange flare]

Alright, we have talked a lot about the king's lore but one thing bothered me about other part of the game.

Why are the mantas in Vault of Knowledge appears ghostly?
Are they alive? Are they dead? Are they the spirit remains of the mantas? Are they a subspecies? I need to know what they are!

[waxen ermine]

They’re holographic projections of memories
(I have no clue what the big one is)

[grizzled vector]

The spirit in the Vault constellation that gives you the "ghost manta" honk is called "Memory Whisperer" implying those are memories. Whether they're technological "projections" of memories or some form of spirits is kinda hard to tell. Especially considering that technology in Sky is also powered by ghosts

[strange flare]

hmm interesting

Also this screenshot from the Aurora Concert where the manta becomes corrupted and grown with dark plants

Does this have any relevance?
(Same thing also happened to the bird)
It's from the song Inhale Exhale

[cobalt palm]

Sorry for the shameless self plug, I've compiled all of the Two Embers trailers and previews into a single video, along with where it was from, and the rough date
https://youtu.be/tcVm5rnQDDA

While doing it I spotted a ton of little details I had forgotten about or missed.

[old wagon]

Y'know, its kinda dark that sky kids are essentially "forced" to constantly reincarnate so they can continue bringing life/light back to a "dead" world, but at the cost of their own

[grizzled vector]

They're not technically forced to do much of anything. They don't really have to do Eden aside from progressing the story and some seasons, and they don't even seem to lose their self or even their clothes or candles when they do it. Death is but a minor inconvenience and the best source of ascended candles (and possibly lasting psychological trauma but we don't talk about that)

But yea technically there's a lot of kimda dark stuff in the game if you pay attention

[scarlet flax]

I have some sort of feeling that the large one is an elder creature, we know of a couple and Like someone mentioned before it could be the spirit of one or it can be a different species all together

[grizzled vector]

I have some sort of feeling that the large ones is the species that ended up becoming the krill, assuming that whole hypothesis is correct (light creatures turning into krill). Though I'm also not sure how much the term "species" applies in Sky if butterflies can evolve into whales

[scarlet flax]

Yeah your right I probably put species in the wrong context, it's more like they are mailable play dough made from light that can change form in the next life if that makes sense, so maybe the ones in valte are trapped so have been slowly eroding giving them the see through look

[grizzled vector]

Yea I'm not really trying to scold you for using the wrong terminology, more like thinking out loud. Species or not, we don't really see creatures like that in the wild (unless the Sanctuary "whale" is an elder example of them)

[scarlet flax]

Yeah dont worry it's fine

[strange flare]

I thought they have many possible forms perhaps the jellies, manatee, birds, and all similarly have the same "common ancestor" and diversify to fill the niche

[grizzled vector]

That would make sense, though I'm not sure what the niches actually are. They all seem to mostly just float and eat light. Butterflies might pollinate the flowers but no idea what the larger creatures do

[blissful palm]

Did elemental prophets foresaw everything or only how the kingdom would be created? If they foresaw everything why didn't they do anything to prevent ancestors from dooming themselves?

[waxen ermine]

Good question
It would be really funny imagining them celebrating the king getting coronated, then they get the prophecy mural of him destroying the kingdom and hurriedly removing the crown

[celest birch]

[blissful palm]

Because iirc they foresaw krills and those things weren't really around until heavy crystal use. Which makes me suspect they may have foresaw things going bad

[karmic osprey]

Where did the Shattering Guide first learn to shatter? Well, I don't know the Shattering Guide that much, so this may be heresay, but...

One day... when he was a weee little crystal... he accidentally dropped a vase in a cave in prarie. Now, while the crystal has no real use for a plate or anything of the sort (there wasn't much to do in the void today) he decided to really focus and analyze the shattering vase. Now, time works different in the void, so it was over in an instant yet endlessly eternal; and with that amount of non-time, he could really see just how unique and peculiar the shattering was — and it was mesmerizing. It was more than just a broken vase—it was something entirely new. Never before would such an object be shattered the same way, and never again would such an object fragment in such a state with such a unique and peculiar way, yet all completely orderly in how it can happen. He looked at all the pieces in place, and in his mind see where each piece came from — that is, an original complete whole that once was at one point in endless time. Yet, through the shattering, many unique pieces were born—each with a unique identity, and none quite like the other. This wasn't the end of the vase, but rather, a new beginning. It truly was beautiful.

[inland cliff]

I think the repeated eden reincarnation is 90% just gameplay-wise for the only reason we go through eden again is to collect ascended candles, and the spirits we free have already ascended after the first time we did eden, plus we clearly know our skykids cannot shut down the eden crystal entirely by ourselves, so repeatedly doing it would just be pointless

[inland cliff]

In my perspective, the fate of the Eden king/Alef will never be revealed. Because while we can interpret them as now a being of pure light or darkness, or simply is gone from existence, I think it's alot more complicated, so much so that it's something even our minds cannot fathom or even think about. They just... don't have anymore relation to this world, they became so nonexistent that it's almost like a mere concept, literally since we only know Eden king through concept arts, we know so much yet so little about them

Also it is preferable to keep them being a mystery because I think no answer would be satisfying enough to explain eden king

[hushed steeple]

I feel bad for the people wanting the Eden king to stay a mystery.

I have a feeling that wish will be.....shattered >:]

[sinful crystal]

I'm trying to find where I first saw the phrase "but in the end, you're still just a child" but I can't find the message I've forgotten a lot of the sky lore by now but this bit always struck a chord with me
I'm sure the repeated eden reincarnation does play a role in the lore. Something something child, help out (iirc the elders task the children with helping fix what they've broken? doon't really remember though), return the light or whatever the purpose of journeying to eden is, you can try and try again, but in the end, you can't just save an entire fallen kingdom, because in the end, you're still just a child

As you said at the end there we know our skids can't, but perhaps those in the game are too desperate to realise

[spiral vault]

Peak

[rare ruin]

As long as megabird is kept somewhat mysterious I’m cool with it.

(I See what you did there )

[grizzled vector]

I think skykids can fix it, eventually, together. But no one skykid can fix it alone, in one grand gesture of "this will fix everything"

It's easier to damage than to repair, and the current state of the world is a result of centuries of damage accumulated from an entire civilization. You can't just magically fix it with a sacrifice, even a sacrifice of someone as powerful as "The Ruler"

[gilded tartan]

i watched a bit of Noob Mode's latest video. apparently we'll be shown some lore during skyfest^^

[grizzled vector]

(The Ruler got that powerful through sacrificing other creatures to begin with. Their sacrifice in the end enables healing to begin but does not just magically heal everything by itself)

[sinful crystal]

Wah I love this part of the lore

[hushed steeple]

I agree. I think theres a cycle, but its an OPTIONAL cycle and that things are very slowly getting better and the world is slowly healing, like cleansing the flight paths.

[oblique garnet]

Where can I watch the new trailer? One bilibili link didn't work for me

[fleet orbit]

I had no clue there was a lore discussion spoilers channel but omg this is so cool, ima probably be reading for hours

anyone have any theories on how ascension and afterlife works in sky, in general?

since from what we've seen, afterlife for children vs adults seem very different; most spirits are just able to go back and forth in a single consistent form from the sky and back down to the world while for some reason children can't exactly do the same

[waxen ermine]

True, except in the case of friend constellations (where they drop down from the sky the same way)
I guess it’s a gameplay thing

Maybe the kids live up in the constellations when offline

[grizzled vector]

The "adults" are Ancestor spirits. They're ghosts. I.e. they're all dead. The exact difference between the dead and the living is kinda unclear but presumably they don't get to "enjoy life" to quite the same extent. The Descendants ("skykids") are alive most of the time (except for the brief period between dying in Eden and getting reincarnated)

Hopeful Steward is the possible exception to this, with some hints they may be a former skykid who did not reincarnate, for whatever reason

Also yea, skykids seem to be able to teleport home and to friends at will. Which might be a gameplay mechanic but, that's all we really have to go on in terms of what they can and cannot do

There is also this concept that between death and rebirth we rejoin The Light (some greater consciousness also known as the "megabird") but the exact meaning of that is left unclear. We do seem to keep our memories and other personal effects though. Again, could just be gameplay (would sure be annoying having to gather not only the winged light but all of the cosmetics and emotes again)

[rapid latch]

Nothing, just a manta

[strange flare]

I was thinking if it relates to the process of corruption or something (I'm not very sure)

anyway, unrelated to that
I was wondering if there are any evidence in the game or in the trailer if it was possible to fight back krills or take them down in some way. I have only seen soldiers in GW coming face to face with krills but not sure if they even dare to fight it. I wonder how the kingdom in sky faces krills, if there are any attempts to fight it or none. This is purely out of curiosity.

[celest birch]

I mean, we do see 2 soldiers face 2 small Krills and even dispatch one of them before the big Krill happens in Battlefield´s AURORA quest.

[strange flare]

oo interesting
I did not pay too much attention to that scene because I'm practically chasing to try to keep up with the voice

[jolly gate]

I think krills were crafted by Resh/the King in order to have an upper hand in the war that was occuring
Me and my friend think that Resh somehow induced some sort of corrupted transformation to occur in the armored mantas seen in the Sky switch promo, causing them to become armored arthropod-like beasts of war
((First time sharing my theories on here kinda nervous ngl))

[celest birch]

Even better is that while one of the soldiers is carrying the wounded Seed of Hope, the other is having enough gall to actually lob spears at the big Krill.

These 2 soldiers are heroes, seriously.

[strange flare]

I'm not fully convinced about the theory of krills being the king's pawn because in the trailer of Sky: The Two Embers there are also soldiers that seem to cower from the krills. There are also soldiers in Aurora cut scene in GW that seems to fight krills. I feel like they are more uncontrollable. Other than that, they also eat the baby manta that guides us into GW :<

[jolly gate]

Fair point
But perhaps they might've been under his control at some point before something when wrong and he lost control of them, causing them to attack both sides and becoming a legitimate threat

[strange flare]

I may have missed on giving context here, but I am leaning more on the Hidden Forest concept art where they capture mantas, feed it into the machine that collects their light (or soul?), and when the manta is dead the carcass becomes waste/pollution. Then said pollution either becomes dark plants or krills. I need to look up the concept art image since I forgot to save it

[jolly gate]

Ohhhhhhhh

[strange flare]

possibly! but I'm not really sure

There are murals in Season of Abyss, where you get to swim underwater. The murals seems to depict that the Treasure Reef used to be a manta hatchery. But a lab was built and they experimented with the manta eggs and an elder manta. In the later murals it seems to become krills and a massive krill-like creature (called king krill or leviathan) with many red eyes.

[celest birch]

I had just replayed Battlefield AURORA quest and another thing to consider, one of the wounded soldiers is having a sun shield beside him. Maybe the Krill attacked them due to being ones that fight for the Light (aside dispatching at least one of the smaller ones)?

Dispatched smaller Krill.

[strange flare]

this is very interesting
I'm not fully sure on the shield patterns and sides myself, it's a bit confusing to me

but if I'm correct the sun symbol is the people that disagree with over harvesting of light. And the diamond are the king? Or am I confusing them both?

[jolly gate]

Sun symbol I believe is the resistance to what the King was doing, and diamond symbol is the King's forces

[strange flare]

this confirms krills can be taken down. It is possible. If you know how to.

[jolly gate]

You'd probably have to hit it right at the correct spot between the plates probably, unless the krill is small enough and u have enough strength to brute force the weapon through

Also their eye could be a weak spot

[strange flare]

I do know a tiny bit about weapons to pierce through armors, I heard about an anti-armor sword being forged straight to jam in between the plates

unfortunately or fortunately though skykids don't have or can't use weapons. Or else it will be Dark Souls game instead of Sky as we know it

[jolly gate]

Also a lot of the weapons we see are far too big for our tiny skykids to wield anyway, inhuman strength or not it'd just be unwieldy and not particularly useful

Also an interesting thing I noticed is that all the King's soldiers look fit and large, outfitted with perfectly fitting armor while the Resistance are all seemingly just regular civilians taking up any arms they can find
Although the Resistance did look to have access to the same armor and weapons the King's soldiers did before some sort of cutoff happened ((probably the King's attempt to starve them out and discourage them from fighting further)) resulting in any new resistance fighters needing to use whatever was on hand

[celest birch]

If Skykids wish to dispatch Krills, then they´ll need to have control over absolutely exceptional powers of light ... ala 9-Colored Deer´s powers.

[lament quarry]

I’m pretty curious about what corrupted people. Most people assumes that it’s the dark stone which kinda makes sense but what is dark stone made out of? Did king Resh have anything to do with the dark stone corrupting things? Or is the dark stone made out of pure darkness and therefore evil?

You know when sky kids gets krilled or loses their light small crystals appears on their body (couldn’t find a picture of it) and those crystals looks a lot like the crystals from prairie peeks

[celest birch]

In its base element, darkstone only glows when being in presence of a Light creature, as shown by these; it doesn´t absorb light. Or seemingly it doesn´t.

[lament quarry]

Now there’s a theory about these crystals being the pure form of dark stones. But the pure form of dark stones are introduced in season of abyss and they look different from the ones found in prairie

[celest birch]

I´d say these ones in Peaks are their "natural" form. Like natural geological formations. Ones in Abyss, especially the deltoid-ones, really resemble refined ones.

[lament quarry]

So there’s another theory about the ones from prairie being crystalized darkness which would explain why they appear on sky kids when getting krilled. But then there’s still one mystery left what is dark stone made out of?? And if they are the crystals from prairie does that mean that dark stone is made of darkness?

[celest birch]

The multi-spiked one being another "natural" darkstone.

Honestly, if you ask me, darkstone isn´t necessarily made of darkness itself. It could only be called that because of its ability to absorb and (if refined) store light.

[lament quarry]

But wouldn’t it have to be made out of something like darkness if it appears on sky kids? ( It annoys me I don’t have a picture hold on I’ll try to find one)

[strange flare]

Instead of clashing with light like Darkness vs Light

I like to think that Darkness is the absence of Light.

So it's not like they are one vs the other. But more like if there was no light, there will be darkness

[strange flare]

I think the line "darkness is the absence of light" has been mentioned somewhere in the concept but I forgot where

[celest birch]

If you ask me, darkstone is very similar to real-life obsidian when it comes to its origins, that is.

[lament quarry]

Yeah I think you’re right but then again what is dark stone? It is able to absorb light yet still it becomes corrupted and shoots out shards that harms light in some way

[celest birch]

Which is a volcanic glass, thus technically it could definitely form on extinguished Skykids if their body would be based on earthly materials like rock.

[celest birch]

I like to think that when it absorbs too much light, then a chemical reaction occurs where it pretty much becomes like a black hole while turning vile red (see Diamond of Eden), which is the color spectrum that travels furthest from the base light (red sunsets).

[lament quarry]

Finally found a picture

[strange flare]

I also like to think that it somewhat also complemented one another

say you are in a dark room, if you have a dim light source (like a candle) the fade between light and dark will be softer.

And with a bright light source (like a flashlight) the contrast between light and shadow will be sharper.

I don't know if my explanation will make sense. More about the intensity of light.

Say when The King over harvested light, there is an abundance of light, meaning there will be an equal amount of darkness.

As for dark stones I think the raw form isn't very useful or reactive to light.

There's also this theory about creatures (mantas) being used in harvesting light. The mantas died and their body becomes pollution that taint the water and becomes dark plants or krills. Meanwhile the "artificial star" or the refined dark stones contain their light, or in other sense their "soul" (s) are trapped in the stone. And an excessive amount of it turned the crystal red and violent. The only evidence being in the shard event. There are black and red shards. Upon burning darkness plants we can destroy the crystal. It will either give us wax (free the light) or give us a certain memory (free the souls) & Ascended Candles.

[pastel brook]

To those vulnerable to flashing animated emoji: Did you know you can deactivate animated emoji? ("Discord App Settings" ⚙️ → "Accessibility" → "Play animated emoji") Hopefully this can be a protective measure for you

[inland cliff]

It is so easy to mistake dark stone/crystals and corrupt ones together
The dark in dark stone/crystals doesn't necessarily means darkness, it's just their colour, dark stones are made and process similar to how diamonds irl are made and is used to engine most things like a battery, crystals despite being natural, would grow on skykids when their lights depletes.It is assumed that relying on darkstone can corrupt you, this is actually debatable, and we don't even talk about the red ones

[inland cliff]

Another thing to be confused in Sky is that mantas are not drained and left to become dark plants or krills, dark plants are more like weeds and mushrooms that grows like a disease, it has been shown that dark plants grow on mantas as well, and krills are confirmed to be a mutant/corrupted ver of a different species that can be seen in the official Nintendo sky trailer

But it's very unknown how mantas even get turns into light that powers the crystals,it's mostly just manta=power for crystals

[strange flare]

The manta being used to power the "artificial star" / refined dark stones are from the Hidden Forest concept art for the most part

[inland cliff]

In Abyss there are murals, or at least hints, that mantas are used to power stones, especially how the sunken place is also just a dark stone factory

[strange flare]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

this thing actually
I found it

[strange flare]

Yes! I am aware of that
I think these two may be related!
the lore are fascinating and a mess at the same time haha
Can't wait for the series

[inland cliff]

Lol can't wait for GTA 6 to release before Sky:Two Embers does

[north bronze]

good to see people finally refer to them as the correct names (artificial stars/refined darkstone).

[north bronze]

this is wrong, the krill are confirmed to be corrupted mantas.

the forest temple and wasteland temple do infact harness & extract the light from light creatures. the leftovers are the cause of water pollution in Forest & Wasteland.

i urge you to visit Tom Zhao's portfolio and really study it, as well as visiting these places in-game

factory temples: extract light from creature, use light to power refined darkstone, leftover ashes from animal gets discarded into water, repeat

[inland cliff]

Thz how can I find their portfolio?

[north bronze]

here you go, friend
https://www.tomzhao.com/sky1

[celest birch]

Ashes? We have bloody giant skeletons (Graveyard) behind First Krill area and a whale skeleton in front of the Forest Temple.

[north bronze]

yes unnatural death leaves behind bones, this is also on the concept art link that i provided above.

[celest birch]

While you mentioned "ashes" ... 😅 I'd say "remains" more.

[north bronze]

it's also worth mentioning, that those Elder Creatures simply can't fit inside of the factories. they died unnaturally during the war.

and yes i did mention ashes, you realize there is more to a body than its bones?

[celest birch]

Thus I'd rather say "remains".

[north bronze]

you can say all you'd like. you came at me with an attitude that i don't care to entertain. have a nice day.

[celest birch]

Just to be more clear and all, 'sall. 🤷 Which does remind me of what exactly might the poison that's mentioned in Story of the 9-Colored Deer be.

But oh well, live and let live. Cheers.

[inland cliff]

I actually knew mantas were being harvested for light, in my chat I was questioning HOW/what method they were harnessing the light from the mantas
Also I still haven't seen any hints that krills are corrupted mantas, since tgc has said that "the creature that the krills were originally from is yet to know", plus from the Nintendo trailer we can see a creature having resemblance with the krills by their 'lightbulb' eye so it's more possible that they're the one to become the krills

Or maybe I haven't done that much research and tgc prob confirmed krills are mantas in some stream or article so pls take everything I say with a grain of salts

[north bronze]

would you mind providing where TGC said that quote? "The creature that the Krill were originally from is yet to be known"?
if you go to Treasure Reef (the Season of Abyss area), you can see wall murals, depicting the Ancestors of that area to be testing on mantas and turning them into (the first) krill accidentally. most of the hints regarding this are in wall murals, and thus speculated by the community. most of my information comes from the concept art page i sent to you, and a reeeaally long blog post theory on the wiki (i will attempt to find it at some point to day and send it/tag you)

in my search for the blog post i read last year, i found this, which i haven't seen nor read -- should be interesting

https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Amity206/Sky_Lore_Theories

[north bronze]

there is also a part on the first krill
https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Amity206/Sky_Lore_Theories#The_First_Krill

[inland cliff]

I remember the quote from a tgc staff or maybe someone quoting from tgcs in discord when I was scrolling through old 2019 lore chat but now I can't find it 😭 so oh well time to put it under the desk or to rewatch all tgc's stream and media post to search for it somehow

#lore-discussion-spoilers message the mural you're referring to is prob from concept art, and they're preferable to not be seen as official

[north bronze]

the murals i'm referring to are in-game, at Treasure Reed, the Season of Abyss area

[inland cliff]

Out of the 4 murals, which one is it?

[north bronze]

well it's all of them...it tells a story

i have no idea where you're getting the idea that it isn't in-game or official from

[inland cliff]

I think I get it that the murals when seen in order tells a progress of harnessing manta
Also in that chat I thought you're still referring to the concept art the first krill mural arts so I didn't mean that the murals in the treasure reef aren't in the game

[north bronze]

ohhhh i seeeee lol, simple misunderstanding..well here's what i was just typing anyway:

i will provide this link again where it provides concept art and live game murals, you can see in the images (which are murals in-game) that the ancestors took care of mantas, held them in a refinery, did experimentations with them, and they turned into krill (whereas the giant manta in the murals turned into the leviathan presumably)

https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Amity206/Sky_Lore_Theories#The_First_Krill

[waxen ermine]

I thought it was experimentation at first, but then realized they were draining lights from manta eggs and elder manta which turned them into krill (unsure) and leviathan (confirmed, that same leviathan design appears officially as a mural in game)

The light dots go into pipes with diamonds at the end

Also with what the art book said about darkness coming from the absence of light

What if while draining, they tried to drain without completely doing in the light creature, keeping them alive like cows
But that left a void that allowed darkness

[inland cliff]

Then I wonder why they scrapped the murals depicting mantas turning into krills when they were intended that mantas can be turn into krills, since the concept mural fits perfectly with the murals in game though

[north bronze]

technically we can call draining the eggs' light experimentation still? even then, i agree that's what they were likely doing, much like cows and their generational breeding/experimenting

[waxen ermine]

Oh I guess so

[north bronze]

where is this from? i've never seen the "Type/Elements" format before

[inland cliff]

Wiki?

[waxen ermine]

Yes, the wiki (sorry had to wait for cooldown)

[north bronze]

[inland cliff]

When did they drain the mantas eggs?

[waxen ermine]

(Aww man my message got deleted, I’m trying again)

Please look here @inland cliff

[inland cliff]

Anyway I've always questioned if vault being a refugee and Eden explosion is an equivalent to Fallout

[waxen ermine]

Sounds about right to me

[north bronze]

100%

the fact that the Vault is at the base/entrance of Eden (closest to the blast radius), and at the end of the Wasteland, the focal point of the war
there are remnants of destroyed "books" (memory cubes) scattered around the entrance
the area named "Repository of Refuge"

and, major spoiler territory here, ||lastnight, there was leaked footage of the Two Embers, and the final minute of the footage shows that Eden & the Wasteland were all once the same city. this would include the Vault, too||

not to mention the speculations in the blog post that Scarab & I posted (and the other one that i'm still yet to provide)

[inland cliff]

But vault definitely isn't built just to endure eden explosion,if so then they must've predicted the explosion at the first place, it was just a coincidence that vault became a refuge for ppl. We know the vault has a tower structure with the light/king emblem on top which has been seen countless times in other realms before, so vault can be seen more like a passion project for all the Sky kingdom

[north bronze]

to my knowledge, the vault's purpose was to act as a grand/royal library of sorts, and yes, was conveniently able to withstand the blast radius and act as a refuge. that is something i/we will still have to find out

i'm quite certain that the "temple" (top floor) of the vault was also to act as a council room for the Elders? i could be way off here, but if that (or something similar) was the case, then it would make a little sense for it to be able to withstand some kind of disaster (and not to mention, the name "vault", too), this is just in my head though

[inland cliff]

Yea, I think their purpose was mixed up a little, like how it was supposed to be a sacred place for scholars, teachers... basically people with knowledge until the war struck down and vault was seen as the only safe place

Also I think the reason why vault can withstand the eden explosion was because they had many layers. We know vault is bigger than it seemed, many scattered rooms and gateways, and at the top floor we can see how the doorways have different layers on top of each other, so vault is just one big AHH tower

[brave patio]

Last night? I thought it was the night before

Or was there more

[north bronze]

oh, well i only saw it lastnight, minutes before it got taken down. there was another one today, too

[brave patio]

A different video?

[north bronze]

yes it had a couple of more scenes & snippets than the 4 minute video - this one was 11 minutes long, of course i can't talk about the contents lol

[brave patio]

Wait can you add me

[oblique garnet]

How can I watch the new trailer 😭

[north bronze]

well, people keep posting footage onto youtube before it gets taken down

[nimble ingot]

I hope tgc can post the trailer for everyone soon enough.

Kinda unfair to have one part of the community enjoy it, and the rest have to way for days.
And that has nothing to do with time difference either.

[north bronze]

oh i agree. i'd love to share & talk about the footage that i've seen, i just don't want to get in trouble for talking about footage/lore that isn't supposed to be publicly available yet

but i agree that it's not very fair to cherrypick who gets to see/experience what

[nimble ingot]

right

[grizzled vector]

I'm assuming it will be made publicly available during SkyFest (to my understanding the footage currently available is from the Chinese version of it that happened earlier)

[nimble ingot]

What if (hypothesising), you had a friend who saw the trailer legitimately, and share with you. Because friends like doing that, which is what the game wants to promote after all.

But now you cannot share it in a public forum by the same company that officially presented the content exclusive to a certain region.
Which sounds like something that divides a community they openly admit wanting to unite it.

Even if the chinese version went ahead and did their own thing. That should be considered official under the banner of ThatGameCompany and their game.

[grizzled vector]

Chinese Sky isn't even technically TGC, their version of the game is ran by a different company

[nimble ingot]

Or what is it now.

(being sarcastic and venting a bit)
Sky#China can have lore.
But Literally the rest of the community outside of Sky#China are not allowed?

[grizzled vector]

It's annoying that we have to wait a couple weeks to see the same thing but I don't think it's the biggest issue ever, personally

[north bronze]

yeah well they're gonna have to expect leaks to happen with this practice

[nimble ingot]

Yes they do lil Elf.
Sadly though, there is a rule here that says leaks are discouraged.

[north bronze]

which is why i refrained from getting into the contents :]
gosh, it's so exciting though. i really want to.

[nimble ingot]

I can admit to seeing the leak, and knowing what it is about.
Just like I can admit to knowing what is in the beta.

But I cannot share what that may be.
Because if that is the case, literally every other fan would be in trouble.
And that would be unreasonable.

I love the game, and its lore.
For 4 years and still to this day.

But I have been fairly inactive in this channel. Which is sad when I recall being active for roughly the first 3 years on a near daily basis.
I used to wonder why older players and lore enthusiasts have faded away. And sadly came to realise why being one them myself.

They sadly ran out of new lore to learn. The rate new lore comes out is too slow, despite the exciting spikes of activity every now again.
Spiking the community with big lore drops after months of inactivity will sadly just mean a wave of people coming in to enjoy it. But then die back down as that excitement dwindles in the weeks and months that follow.

There are plenty of folks on here who are happy to help newcomers. And on the occasion where a veteran shows up to help. They eventually drift back into the void. Because they already know what there is to know. So why stick around to retell the same story riddled with more plotholes than a 'choose-your-own-adventure' book?

For years theorists have harped on the theory about the King being in the game.
And for years they were denied the satisfaction of that "aha" moment when they figure out the secret.
Either by players who argue with evidence stating otherwise. Or by the devs dangling a carrot saying it's "open to interpretation" or "wafo" (Wait and find out)
Waiting at least 4 or 5 years for an answer confirming what people have theorised as far back as the first days of Light Awaits. That may leave people empty or they already moved on.

(granted this is pessimistic)
Just know that when the big reveal drops.
There better not be people jumping on a band wagon saying they figured it out first.
Because that would be disrespecting the sheer amount of research, theorising and patience people had since the game was released.

There probably would be people.
But those who truly had the right answer long before them. I give them the credit and respect they deserved.

The lore of Sky is amazing.

It is just sad that it took 5 years for people to hear the full story.

[north bronze]

😐

[noble ferry]

i can relate to this, buddy
i did have a lore chat startpack meme back when lorechat was fairly alive

I was honestly more of a massive lurker but i really liked to read everyone's thoughts

[nimble ingot]

same

[noble ferry]

#sky-memes message

[north bronze]

even if people want to bandwagon, or fit in, and claim "they knew from the start"...who cares? let em. besides, people do their own research without necessarily sharing it online.

not everyone posts their thoughts into lore channels, or blog posts, or youtube comments etc

the proper credits are out there, anyway, and everyone deserves to be able to claim knowledge. there's no point in being exclusionary

[oblique garnet]

Oh, thank you. When's Skyfest again?

[north bronze]

i actually can't remember when, i think it's on the 15th...you'd have to check

[nimble ingot]

People do what they want. That is true.
And nothing much can be done about it.

The research is out there, and granted not all people who did it have shared it publicly.

But there is nothing much that says that 'proper credit' is 'out there'.
It is not being exclusionary by saying one knows something.
There is a point of being exclusionary when the source shares their information to certain people and excludes others.
(ex. Chinese players see the TGC animation project videos and/or trailer and people in this official public forum are not allowed to talk about it)

[north bronze]

i mostly agree with the sentiment, it's just that the way you wrote it out rubbed me the wrong way, particularly:

"(granted this is pessimistic)
Just know that when the big reveal drops.
There better not be people jumping on a band wagon saying they figured it out first.
Because that would be disrespecting the sheer amount of research, theorising and patience people had since the game was released."

as we said, there are people out there who may not necessarily make themselves known from the beginning, but have figured things out. i still agree that bandwagoning is cringe, but i don't really care too much if people wanna do it lol

the animation teasers though, like we haven't waited long enough for the delayed release =_=

[nimble ingot]

I apologise for that.

This channel has been a place I learned so much about sky lore. But I also know there are many other forums where people may have their own lore and theories. Some of which may be scarily accurate to what would be canon.

The Animation teaser would be amazing for folk who have not grown bitter from waiting so long, or have grown frustrated from being in the game for so long, but lost their spark from playing the game so much.

The game has a strange way of encouraging players to be active on a daily basis. But at the same time starve the player for content that arrive every few months. Which are well received, but sadly pile up with all the other amazing content that become stale in the weeks after.

It is emotionally moving, draining, uplifting but also waning.

In simpler terms, the game tells a beautiful story. But it takes so long for players who were in it for a long time.

[north bronze]

i've only been around since Season of Rememberance/Days of Bloom and i can get behind the last 2 paragraphs, after learning so much and logging in almost every day i, too, feel starved for content, and i'm fine that the animation has been put on delay - it just means it will be better. but it is a shame that one part of the community is being well-fed while us, the majority other "half" are being starved

[nimble ingot]

It may come out as a bitter pill to swallow.
It has sadly been the case for so long for certain niches for Sky.

Assemblies have hardly taken place in half of the continents in the world (as far as I can recall), and the chinese version of the server takes it own initiative with certain parts of the game (one of which might I add, has caused controversy on real life cultures the Jenova Chen with his dev team have taken inspiration from. Citing accusations that touched upon culture appropriation to misplaced credit in representation).

No game company can sadly exist without some skeleton in their closet, or some mistakes they made.

From my experience. Take what you want from the game. Love the art, not the artist. And take the wholesome lessons of the lore to heart.
It may not be perfect. And it may have faded a bit after looking at it for so long. But it still has it wonderful charm. ❤️

[brave patio]

Plsplspls dm me the link I want to see so bad

[rustic arch]

The animation? Like the movie? How long will it be delayed?

[north bronze]

i know just as much as anyone else, it was supposedly meant to release back in March 2024

[forest hornet]

I don't get the big deal about the teasers since we'll probably see them in the upcoming event anyways?

[sinful crystal]

God I love lore surrounding post-apocalyptic civilisations in which you unearth the causes of the demise of a kingdom, especially as a strong but ultimately inadequate in the scale of the destruction protagonist whose purpose is to save said kingdom

Both sky and Hollow Knight, two of my favourite games, seem to have this

[stoic river]

Can someone explain to me the full and current known lore about the game in full detail? (If you want to yap)

[north bronze]

found on Tumblr:
The timeline is something like this:

• The Elders (& the "King") fell to the clouds
• The people living in the clouds (the Ancestors, now Spirits) found them and made them their leader, 1 for each realm (2 in Valley)
• something happened (events of the Two Embers?)
  -Downfall and Everyone dies (except the Elders)
• Skykids are born

PART 1: THE CONFIRMED CANON
1. The Elders and The King
-The 6 falling stars in the beginning cutscene are the Elders
-The Elders knew each other before they fell. Elders are always Elders, Skykids will not grow up to be Elders (Elders, Skykids, and Spirits are different species).
-"Elders are ancient. We (the devs) do not know if age or gender exists for them."
-The Elders are not in their temples right now. Their cutscene takes place outside of time and space, but they affect the world (butterflies fly out of jars after prairie elder cutscene, the door opening after forest elder cutscene, etc.)
-Forest and Vault Elders masks look similar because they're related
-The power diamonds (first seen in the forest elder cutscene) is related to the downfall of the civilization.
-The King exists. He plays an active role, different from the Elders. "He is not there to be saved anymore"

2. The Realms
-Valley: "Golden Valley is like a downtown of the Sky kingdom. People built a huge city on top of this mountain, using boats to move between places."
-"Golden Valley consisted of both rich and poor communities, centred around the theatre. They all enjoyed the race that went through the entire city."
-Vault: "There are many interesting props we designed for the area. Lots of valuable information was stored with the hope that it would be used by the future generations."
-"Not only was this area filled with manmade structures, we also wanted to transition the level into a more magical, dreamier space. So we made it transform into a more organically magical space as you progressively move higher."

[stoic river]

Woah thank you so much

[north bronze]

storyboards from old concept art:

Era of Fire

1. All souls are part of the Bird of Light. Each soul cycles through the (Human and) Sky world, gathering experience before returning to the Bird of Light.
2. the Bird of Light grant flame to the Prince & All creatures.
3. Prince chooses 6 Ancestors to oversee their realm and grow their civilization.
4. Ancients, Ancestors & Creatures all worship the fire, migrating to the Holy Land (Eden) to die and be reborn.
5. Bird of Light is at her strongest as all life is connected by light.
6. Creature's light is big advantage. Elder Creature offers flame to the Prince and the Kingdom at his "time of need".

1/2*

Dark Stone Era

1. The Prince explores the forbidden forests with "Shaman" Ancestor/Ancient and unearths Dark Stone Matter that absorbs fire.
2. They mine forests for Dark Stones to harness and power new technologies. Ancient civilization evolves to new heights.
3. Prince gives the Ancestors special Dark Stones that make them godly.
4. Dark stone technology absorbs too much fire, and the Creatures attack. They are defeated and must retreat. (Darkstone Technology power source - Eden's giant red crystal (absorbs too much?))
5. The Ancients enter a golden age and the Prince is crowned King. However, Dark Matter begins to corrupt the Prince and Ancestors.
6. Ancients become indifferent and disconnected from the Bird of Light. the Ferryman Ancestor (Elder of the Isle) retires with no new souls to shepherd.
7. King orders the Warrior Ancestor (Elder of Wasteland) to build a fortress and weapons in the event of another Creature attack.
8. a powerful ark made of Dark Stone is built. the Creatures attack and the Ancestors use it to seek shelter. the Anciens steer the Ark toward the Holy Land, knowing the Creatures would be reluctant to follow.
9. Elder Creatures and their armies sacrifice themselves to destroy the Ark, which explodes in the battle.
10. A Storm filled with darkness was created from the explosion and corruption spread through the Kingdom. The Ancestors' Dark Stones curse the King's crown, trapping him in the storm.

Post-Storm Era

1. The Creatures caught in the center of the Storm became corrupt and unrecognizable. They now wander the land as lost malignant beings.
2. Decades past before the Creatures begin to migrate to the Bird of Light again, but the world is destroyed and treacherous.
3. In dismay, the Bird of Light blesses the sky Kingdom with a new Descendant race in the hope that we will reconnect all souls.
4. The Ferryman Ancestor tries to shepherd the Descendants on their way

2/2

[stoic river]

Ooo

[sinful crystal]

Is this Bird of Light megabird?

[north bronze]

yes, a more fitting and less...childish name for the Megabird

it's not me trying to sound harsh, it's just my own personal preferred title for the light in the sky

[waxen ermine]

It’s called megabird in the concept timeline

[north bronze]

everything in my message is directly copied from Tom Zhao's storyboard on his portfolio, except i replaced all "Megabird" with "Bird of Light", as well as added some of my thoughts (in the form of parentheses)

yes i was just getting to that

[north bronze]

in the game it's just called "The Light", and in this lore channel people argue that the concepts are just concepts, no longer canon, yet still refer to "The Light" as "Megabird", besides, as i said, "Bird of Light" is just a personal preference for me

[waxen ermine]

Actually I think the ark is in Eden, you see a boat shape

The boat in wasteland you’re referring to has a crew of citizens

See here, the boat outline

[north bronze]

yes this text document was saved on my laptop quite a while ago, and i haven't edited my past thoughts.
After seeing the trailers and leaks, i beleive it's the city floating between Eden & Orbit

[waxen ermine]

I tried my best, sorry for the flimsiness XD

[north bronze]

i was thinking it could be this, since the Shattering Diamond seems to be powering it, but you could be onto something. i haven't noticed a boat shape in Eden before (i'm usually just zooming through lol)

[spiral vault]

It was originally just a regular place, but it became a refuge after the war, similar to real life

[spiral vault]

yeah, just wait a few weeks

Although, the 11 minute one is very strange to me, it would be likely that the simple trailer would be posted, but this would be like a full scene and stuff

[versed mirage]

So did the Eden shard fall down?

[spiral vault]

Check this out: https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

[spiral vault]

Yes, it originated from the eden diamond in the point of no return area

The ark is definitely a stretch, it might just be the layout of the mountain

[north bronze]

right off the bat, the lore doc goes into non-canon theory, and says that our purpose isn't clear (it is very clear - restore light to the world and help our ancestors ascend back to the light)

[spiral vault]

well of course, it's 'popular theories'

I guess you are right that it's not good for introducing the lore

[north bronze]

it's just, my bigger issue comes from the fact that it's a lore doc, and right at the start it states that our purpose in the world isn't clear, but our purpose is made clear from the beginning of* the game

don't worry i'm still reading and that's really the only problem i have lol

[spiral vault]

I think that document was made pre-revival, I guess?

[north bronze]

ehh maybe, first i've seen of it, but it's a good summary overall

[north bronze]

oh, i started the game before Season of Revival, i mostly remember beginning in isle of dawn and being told that our purpose is to restore light and help fallen spirits ascend

which, at the time was super vague, but after playing for so long and learning a bunch of lore, it's more clear

[spiral vault]

funnily enough, the revival intro says the exact same thing

[north bronze]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RE75Z9iJxJA

it seems the video actually skipped the part i was talking about lol. what I was referring to, was the murals in the beginning cave of Isle of Dawn, when you first spawn in

[spiral vault]

Yes, I think it was changed to include the word "shattering" in the intro

[inland cliff]

Something I've noticed in Provoking Performers memory is that they are seen dancing in the crab cave when we know crabs are considered dangerous and would attack ppl when corrupted/triggered
So does it lead to how the mask are not just purely accessory but also for blending in with the nature?

[forest hornet]

Maybe Crabs weren't there when the spirit was alive?
That is a fun idea tho

[inland cliff]

Yea considering how the mask they're wearing has a striking resemblance to a crab and looks so goofy lol

[north bronze]

something that i never noticed in the trailers, is that the "Prince" child/||Dawn Star||'s mask has pointed tips on each side & the top.
i used to think that his star-shaped crown was something he began wearing consciously - to replace his child mask, once he became King. but now i'm starting to think it's something that "grew out" of his face/mask due to the corruption shenanigans

[shadow moon]

I just thought of something : Do sky kids'hair grow up? Because yes, in game there are many differents hairstyles but it might as well just be wigs... And we've seen in the trailer for Two Ambers that the Prince has short/newly growns hair (as the photo of lil Elf noob just before this message shows). So what do you think ?

[north bronze]

although i can't answer your qiestion about hairgrowth/style/wigs, i will point out that in the trailers, the "Two Embers" in question are the short haired child (believed to be Prince/||Dawn Star||), and the long haired child (believed to be Hopeful Steward/||Golden Star||) *they're 2 different people, rather than the Prince growing out his hair

so, sadly we do not get an answer whether or not hair grows :(

my personal assumption is that hair growth exists, and the "wigs" part is simply just a game mechanic for the purpose of character customization

then again...

there are people who say that our capes are made from light, so who's to say we don't do the same with our hairstyles?
I've even seen people go as far as to say that all cosmetics & accessories are made from light, lol...but i'm willing to stop at capes, hair and maybe pants

[shadow moon]

I think I agree with you on the "hair of light" since like the cape, the hairs don't have a shadow, thanks for the reply 🙂

[rapid latch]

nahh, im pretty sure that they dont have shadows for design reasons

[north bronze]

i did notice that our shadows in-game look like chunky stick figures, lol. i also chalked it up to design choice/low-res rendering decision when i first noticed, but i quite like the idea of our cosmetics being made from light refraction. it's fun to add to lore, and it makes sense

[waxen ermine]

We do lose our hair and cosmetics when weakened
Wig snatched

[north bronze]

capes too, when weakened to the point of losing our flame, after losing our light

[long vessel]

I've been wondering this!! Especially because we see cosmetics like beards that go over the mask, seemingly. I've been trying to figure out whether they actually grow hair or if they will it into existence, or something else entirely. Or maybe the ancestors did grow hair, but since Skykids are kinda just copying what they learn, they start making/manifesting those hairstyles for themselves. I also had a really good chuckle thinking about all the hair actually being wigs, including things like facial hair, and imagining the morning routine of sticking on your mustache and eyebrows for the day

[celest birch]

Given how hair and beards are white I have no doubt those are their light˙s manifestations all the same, with the "true form" of Skykids being those black humanoid-statue-like beings.

[celest birch]

I´d definitely say that at least their capes are made of light (winged in its case), given their shadows (taken in Isle of Dawn). I´ll try get my Skykid as close to "unlit" as possible via outfit shrines and then check the shadow again; could be fun. 🤭

As for accessories, I think they´re actual things, as we do see them as exponents in Harmony Hall and we do have Nesting Workshop as well.

[strange flare]

Theory from my observation of dark plants
Light reacted to the presence of other light

When we are near unburnt plants it will glow a vivid blue
But if we have freed the light from it, it will not glow

[celest birch]

Soldiers fighting small Krills. >:D

[blissful palm]

Yeah if you take aurora as canon the krill are very destructible with firepower proportional to their size

[lament quarry]

So when dark things such as dark plants has light trapped inside it will glow/react to other light. So could that mean that dark stones and crystals still have light trapped inside? Since they glow whenever sky kids are close

[strange flare]

It's either that or, dark crystals are able to react with the light we emit
It's just a theory :>

[lament quarry]

That could also be the reason as to why dark creatures react to light. Like krills and crabs attack light. You know since there’s a theory that dark creatures were light creatures once.

[sinful crystal]

More than just a natural attraction, this is my hc

[north bronze]

it's pretty canon that the krill used to be light creatures, specifically manta

crab however seem to have always been a part of the world, and not necessarily "dark" (they are in memories, Two Embers Trailers, and even during one of the 9Coloured Deer quests, they're shown to be neutral at most, and afraid of Krill)

as for their nature, they're most likely drawn to our light as it may remind them of what they once were before, but after seeing trailers (as well as current in-game evidence), i'm personally more inclined to believe that their nature is more machine-surveillance-like, post-corruption, as opposed to any type of being with an "active" conscience

[north bronze]

it seems that the King had the Ancestors at Treasure Reef to continue their generational experiments on manta eggs, to produce Krill for him, in order for him to have surveilance readily monitoring the Golden Valley & path to Eden
they are lost malignant beings, more machine-like than beast, trapped to watch their posts for eternity, even though there is nothing left for them to watch over

[inland cliff]

Crabs are mostly territorial and easily triggered by nature, they don't seem to attack specific light creatures but anything in its way as well

[north bronze]

the only crabs that are actively malicious are those affected by the Red Shards

[north bronze]

and to be honest, i'd be a big old grumpy meanie, too, if i had massive sharp crystals stabbing into my body

[sinful crystal]

I'm aware
The hc regards the reason why the dark creatures seek out our light.

[north bronze]

mostly because their* machine-like surveillance bids them to. but there is probably a tiny semblence of past-self, not enough to control it by nature

its purpose is simply to seek out light (life) and snuff it out

[inland cliff]

If we are to compare them with the ancient machines in Journey where their only purpose is to find power in cloth creatures, krills are basically that but it's corrupted light creatures that may have been a successfully-failed experiment how they obey to no one and becomes an even bigger threat

[grizzled vector]

Krill are similar to Guardians in terms of game mechanics but that doesn't technically imply they have similar nature/purpose/etc and their entire concept was reused though it is certainly possible

[north bronze]

"all living things come from the Light"
this includes Ancestors (now spirits), which the krill actively hunted down and killed, too
any living being has a base makeup of light, not just Descendants/Skykids

we are a target, simply because it senses us, like it would sense our Ancestors, and it goes for the attack, just like it would with our Ancestors

the only difference is that the Krill now wander aimlessly where there is seemingly no life left, their purpose "fulfilled", but they have nowhere to go. nowhere to ascend to. so they stay behind in the world, continuing their meaningless paths

the fact that they used to be light creatures more than likely helps them to sense where light/life is, but i personally doubt they have any semblance of their past consciousness

[grizzled vector]

I seem to recall one of the game's daily login "tips" saying something along the lines of "Dark Dragons are hungry to devour your light" so assuming that's canon bit of lore it would imply they have some sort of motivation for it

[north bronze]

i don't recall this tip tbh, but i always take those as TGC just trying to have a bit of friendly fun, nothing canon

[grizzled vector]

Though if they do indeed hunger it really doesn't explain why they've been patrolling the same lifeless stretch of the desert for centuries since the Shattering

[sinful crystal]

Tbh "machine-like surveillance" is just as valid an interpretation
And regardless as to whether either interpretations are confirmed or not, I did specify that mine was a hc (headcanon), I did not expect a response with the intention of "correction." /nm

[north bronze]

you seem to be taking my discussion in the wrong light.

[grizzled vector]

Of course, strictly speaking that's kinda what the light creatures do too, they tend to just go in circles. But of course that's also in part because they're just programmed NPC entities in a game so

[north bronze]

i guess that's what this channel is though, huh? people constantly trying to call other people wrong 😂

[north bronze]

well yes but it's confirmed that light creatures do infact have a migration path, not just birds but manta too (i don't think jellyfish do tbh)

[grizzled vector]

That's not really what the channel is about though. People point out when someone's theories might contradict something else that's confirmed or can be assumed to be true/canonical. But I don't think people here argue for the sake of arguing

[inland cliff]

Maybe krills would return to the ground until they detect another skykids nearby?

[north bronze]

while i'd like to agree with you, i've definitely seen arrogant smugness on this channel from time to time. *(not referring to right now)

moving on, though
well, jellyfish AND manatee don't, my mistake

[inland cliff]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[north bronze]

yes, it's a shame that i've seen people doing the opposite of this. such a shame

[north bronze]

"The lore channel is not about finding out what is canon and what isn't. The devs have stated that the details of the story are open ended so that players can see it through many different interpretations and have fun theorizing with others. That should also be the spirit of this channel!"

"lore channel isn't about finding out what's canon"
...do i really have to point out what's wrong with that

while i agree that theorizing and interpreting open-endedness etc is good for lore discussion, it's not exactly a lore if there isn't a set "canon" that the creators can't even agree on

this isn't open ended like Souls or Elder Scrolls, it's a simple game with a really simple story that doesn't take much brainpower to figure out

despite what that staff comment says, there is a set canon...so much so, to the point that they're creating an animated series based off of the canon that we've all been theorizing for years

perhaps the channel should be called "non-canon-theory-discussion"

[nimble ingot]

if that is the Sky Prince, I would flip. That is a great observation. 0.0

[vale sonnet]

Kinda afraid to ask but

[north bronze]

yes i was a bit hyped when i noticed lol, it really makes me wonder about his trasition from prince to king

[vale sonnet]

Could u imagine what steward has seen??
Like really he’s seen everything

[north bronze]

god i know
obviously can't talk about the leaked trailers but every time i see Stewie i get tears in my eyes

[vale sonnet]

Same

[north bronze]

exactly, and it makes me (hopeful) that the King isn't the Prince in a mech suit. i always hated that idea and thought it to be ridiculous

[nimble ingot]

Sky does not have a "mech suit" thankfully enough.

I imagine it could be something like in studio Ghibli (Princess Monoke) where a larger creature is made of many smaller pieces. Perhaps a massive creature made up of many smaller dark creatures.

Or in an old video game where the magic in ancient stones assembled a massive stone golem with the magic caster piloting it.

[north bronze]

i'm thinking that this concept art, rather than the silly "mech" idea, is just the prince(now king) standing next to one of his King statues in Wasteland

it reminds me a lot of this image, that i will spoiler tag

[nimble ingot]

Either way, I like the idea of the King being a standalone character.

Even if it were to be the Prince becoming the King, the transformation used to separate the two characters would be interesting (from a storytelling philosophy)

[nimble ingot]

Easy on the spoilers lol.

Did they officially post the animation video for the international community yet?

[north bronze]

dw i spoiler tagged it :]

[north bronze]

it would be interesting. i always interpreted them "being different" as metaphorical, as when he becomes King, he's fighting with inner turmoil/darkness, and it takes over, and perhaps that is the new "Alef", now "Resh"

ugh articulation is getting more challenging the more tired i get

[inland cliff]

The biggest difference between how Alef/prince turned into the King to us skykids is that they grew up both mentally and physically, while straying further away from the light

[north bronze]

oh wth my message got deleted before it even sent?
I'll try again....

my biggest question is how he transformed seemingly so fast

he goes from a child, to an adult, seemingly in the entire time that Steward/||golden star|| is a child nursing a manatee

i understand that "corruption magic transformation" nonsense exists, but that would feel too cheap of an explanation

[inland cliff]

They've "corrupted" both physically and symbolically, how they've become more ambitious to revolutionize, but would harness powers from light creatures, cut trees unethically, and to risk everything even his own life

Much like how a child growing up can be affected by society and be "corrupted", becoming evil

[north bronze]

i always assumed that "the series being about 2 children, one tries to help the other" meant that they both grew up together, were the same age

but tbh i could be totally wrong. Dawn Star may be very much older than Golden Star

after all, Dawn Star/Prince supposedly fell at the same time as the Elders did, so it would make sense that he's older, i suppose

[inland cliff]

It's because they've strayed from the light far enough to become an ancestor, and was able to grow up, but it cost much more

Hopeful stewards were able to stay true to the light thus still have their skykids form

The story (I haven't seen the leks) was supposed to be a duality of 2 skykids starting the same but each one crossed a different path for the better or the worst

Actually this has to be the most logic-wise thing i've ever seen in the lore of sky LOL

[spiral vault]

You know who hasn't seen much? Their dead manatee (sorry)

[north bronze]

well, the thing is, Steward and Prince aren't Descendants (Skykids), or Ancestors

they (prince) are a kind of inbetween race
obviously things may change due to the series, but it's looking more & more like the Prince and Steward are Ancestors, rather than the pre-established "inbetween race" that he once was

pre-established was that the Prince fell to the kingdom at the same time as the Elders fell, but he's technically different from them, so he's like an Elder/Ancestor/Descendant, and he's supposedly just as "old" as the Elders (even if age & gender doesn't exist for them as a race)

[spiral vault]

Another theory is that the prince turned into king through some corrupted, magical means

[north bronze]

but what we know from canon is that:
Skykids don't grow up to be Elders
neither do Ancestors
the Elders gender/age isn't known to exist
they are all different races of "sky human"

[spiral vault]

Prince and Steward are closer to wingless skykids, if anything

[north bronze]

hard disagree, they are closer to Ancestors, especially prince, since he was "born" at the same time as the Elders, he is more of an Elder than any race

[spiral vault]

It's difficult to say whether or not the prince was born at the same time as the elders

[inland cliff]

In the game he is usually depicted as glowing like a winged light even when he descended but we know he used to be a normal skykid?

Is he born powerful or is it after he has done all the trials?

[north bronze]

it's actually established canon

[nimble ingot]

I am not sure about that, but as you were.

[spiral vault]

The revival cutscene, I suppose

[north bronze]

pre-revival. remember that video i sent you lastnight? from 3 years ago?

[spiral vault]

I'm pretty sure that video is the exact same as the revival cutscene, but with slightly different wording

[sinful crystal]

If resh knew the treasure reef experimentations would produce krill, how come they seemed to wreak havoc upon the people? Wouldn't they have implemented safer measures?

[north bronze]

in the series he's depicted as an ancestor child, and represents the colour blue, whereas the steward is supposedly named "golden star" and the prince "dawn star"

too many of you are replying to different messages of mine. how do you expect me to keep up? i'm a human. stop overwhelming me

[spiral vault]

However, keep in mind, in the murals the ancestor spirits are usually shown with one horizontal line on their body, while skykids are shown with none

Blue has many different meanings in sky, the one that's closest is the color of darkstone, aka the thing most used by them

[sinful crystal]

Uh...take your time?

[north bronze]

it was just random speculative guess i made based off of watching leaks lastnight, i haven't thought of everything

nothing but pure hype and guessing games

[spiral vault]

I really think Krill are unintentional byproducts of manta experimentation and only loosely related to the King

[sinful crystal]

Agree

[north bronze]

surely there must be a reason why they seem to be guarding places the King would hold as important, though? The military fields in "Wasteland", the path leading to Eden Castle?

i believe they were accidental at first, but eventually became intended by the King/Darkstone Ancestors

they are found in no other area in the game (outside of special events). only places where they'd be useful for the king's protection

[sinful crystal]

Is it guarding though?
They were produced in wasteland, after all, so their presence there makes sense at least

[north bronze]

they were produced in Treasure Reef, which is far enough away from the main "Wasteland" to need a boat to travel to, heck, it's at the very beginning of the realm, boat by the social area

krill seem to be more dense in the Graveyard, Battlefield, Path to Eden, and i think there was one other place of Royal importance that i can't quite remember right this second

and while i put "Wasteland" in quotational marks, another thought i have is what the "wasteland" was before it was a wasteland

i've seen old dev interviews refer to the Valley of Triumph as "Golden Valley", and after watching the leaked (and non-leaked) trailers, and exploring in-game, it's obvious that the wasteland & valley were 2 parts of a bigger city of sorts

[inland cliff]

Resh and Stewards aren't so alike in the beginning,but they're representative of a duality dynamic, which is common in sky with darkness and light

I think most of Two Embers would be an epilogue leading to where we save hopeful steward at the beginning of Aviary

[north bronze]

that would be interesting. as much as i doubt it'll happen, i'd love to see a Two Embers rendering of a Descendant/Skykid

[sinful crystal]

I wonder why one would be circling the shipwreck and another above the valley entrance to forgotten ark—what even is/was the graveyard?

[spiral vault]

Not most, the pacing would be off by then, maybe the last episode

[north bronze]

ok major spoilers here but the graveyard can be briefly spotted in the ...trailers.. 😬

||the steward (Golden Star) is running, pushing through a crowd of ancestors, and reaches an alleyway. they are then stopped in their tracks by a hooded adult ancestor||

*wait i forgot to finish my message
so the Graveyard looks to have been some kind of refuge barracks/town/marketplace looking area. it was raining and it didn't look very propserous

[sinful crystal]

what creatures died there?

[inland cliff]

Mostly Elder mantas

[north bronze]

the giant turtle looking skull? i don't know. best guess is an "Elder Creature of light"

but those are usually depicted as whales. who's to say there isn't more than 1 variety of Elder Creature, though?

[sinful crystal]

Ou my brain fused whales and elder mantas for a moment
What were they doing in graveyard?

[north bronze]

elder creatures led armies of animals into a war with the Ancestors. they went there to fight & die

"unnatural death leaves behind bones" - concept art

which is why they leave skellingtons instead of ascend into the Light in the Sky

[sinful crystal]

Ahh yes, the destruction of the crab fields ark
I'll refrain from asking about the creature war because I'm sure my questions will be answered once I really get a good look at the lore pages on the fandom wiki, Tom Zhao's portfolio, and what's available with the animation teaser/trailers

[north bronze]

[north bronze]

images you can hear without sound

[sinful crystal]

Actually though

Steward's significance to resh and the overall sky lore is shocking to me as someone who was only really introduced to them the other week as I got back into sky for the first time in a while

[north bronze]

honestly, i feel silly in the head for not realizing a LOT sooner:

but "Steward" is in the name, and "Prince/King" is in the other child's title.
-it only makes 100% sense for a prince/king to have a steward to serve him

so given that information, and the Two Embers wiki stating that "one child tries to help the other from being corrupted", it only makes sense to me that the Steward was the King's servant

(however, i used to think they were the same age, both children. these thoughts are changing by the day, as we get more footage)

[sinful crystal]

What age would they each be if not the same? Given that the wiki says "one child tries to help the other"

[north bronze]

exactly, that's something i'll just have to wait and find out :P

honestly it's really hard for me to answer even now. i just thought at first "oh, it's about 2 children and one tries to save the other. they must both be the same age"
but then i saw footage where it shows steward, as a chid still, but the next minute...the king. as an adult. which confused me

[spiral vault]

Unless the king isn't actually an adult?

[north bronze]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

remember how huge the Shattering Diamond is to scale, and remember that the king is technically an Elder (matching the height, too)

he looks pretty big for a child next to that big shattering diamond

maybe he died, got his ascended candles and bought a few resize potions. 😂

[sinful crystal]

Perhaps as Yamose proposed here, them straying from the light allowed them to unnaturally grow up

[north bronze]

that confuses me too, because the prince is technically an Elder, not an Ancestor, not a Skykid, but he's also his own thing entirely

[spiral vault]

The same size an adult, but still a child's mind perhaps?

[north bronze]

however...

i feel like in the trailers we see a younger Forest Elder. so maybe the Elders and Ancestors age, maybe Alef's journey was mostly on his own/in the guardianship of the younger versions of the elders. and he later meets Stewie, as he's already growing. because we do see Vault Elder & Adult King in one scene, too

[sinful crystal]

How would the prince stand by a statue of how they'd look later as the king?

[north bronze]

he could have been crowned king as a child, and grown into the figure we know today as King Resh, only basing the statues of an exaggerated, more imposing version of his current child's 4-pointed mask

(in the art, in that very picture, the "child"-looking king, "standing in the mech" looks to be wearing the star-crown, too)

it's quite a simple shape, to be fair

a big pillar with a star shape on top

there could be a number of realistic reasons, not one of them i know 100% lol

[winged bison]

don't mind me, just randomly coming in to say something I thought of with the two embers
feel free to shoot this down but I find it interesting to see the first kid wears a darkish green cape and the the ruler also wears that same/similar colour cape but obviously different cape. Probably pure coincidence though, but felt like randomly mentioning it

[north bronze]

definitely a design choice :]
the (blue) cape is to represent his inevitable indifference to the flame, that he is aligned with darkstone

[sinful crystal]

Maybe alef built statues of how they wanted to look as king and later manifested it

[north bronze]

could most definitely be wrong with this one. but i genuinely think this is a younger version of the Forest Elder

also, notice the changes to Alef/Dawn Star's design. he doesn't have the points on his mask, nor his blue cape or darkstone pendant. i'm not sure if this is story-based, or design choices over time (since this is an old trailer)

[winged bison]

Yee, I felt like it is some kind of foreshadowing them having the colour cape being same as the king- and that little gem like thing on their cape as a kid on one of the older trailers- just speculation though it is a foreshadow, could be completely wrong hahah

[north bronze]

you're 100% on point to be honest

in the concept art (i talk about it way too much), it's mentioned a LOT that orange = good/life/fire, blue = indifference/corruption/darkstone

[spiral vault]

Because the idea of a super large diamond to solve everything seems like a childish idea, but if they're large and imposing, they might get taken seriously as a king

[hushed steeple]

WHAT AN UPGRADE

[north bronze]

Days of Colour reinforces that our capes are made of light, with the rainbow puzzle/collecting the colour from our capes

[oblique garnet]

So umm, are there any theories on who the "Two Embers" might be? Because I get the feeling it's about two characters

[cobalt palm]

From my understanding of the mechanics of the, Sky world, Height, and implied "adultness" seem to come with power, specifically harnessing light for construction.
The spirits are larger than skykids, and elders are larger than spirits, so it could very well be possible that after the construction of the diamond in Eden, the prince took on a more "kingly figure", or maybe they just used a few "grow" and "adult" spells

It would be a great homage if the prince is shown to do the spell casting animation from ingame, then next we see them taller, and more corrupted

[waxen ermine]

The king and the kid with the manatee

[oblique garnet]

The kid with the manatee looked like the Hopeful Steward to me, is it them?

[waxen ermine]

Maybe!

[cobalt palm]

Early theory: it probably has multiple meanings knowing TGC
The most likely of characters are Prince/King and Steward
But it will probably also relate to the kinship between the Steward and manatee,
The switch/pc release trailer character (who I'm assuming is the prince) and the crystal corrupted motherly figure we see them hugging in the IGN trailer,
And possibly the duality between light in nature and spirit made constructions and buildings

Early theory call: the thing that makes the prince corrupt is trying to save their friends of Crystal corruption sicknesses, but in a twist, end up becoming the unintended villain by actually accelerating it, or possibly saving a loved one, and sacrificing everything else

[oblique garnet]

What made me think it was primarily about characters was the two little sparks dancing on the screen when the title shows up

[shadow moon]

Next theory about Stewie that could explain the age problem : He is The Elder of Aviary, meaning that he came to the Realms approximately at the same time as the Prince/King, but why he wouldn't have grown up the same would be because, as mentioned earlier, the height in sly seems to be "power scale" or something like that. Or, the Aviary "only" being a town and not really a place on the way to Eden, plus Stewie being only a Steward, he's not as important as the others Elders which would be why he's still a kid (and also why it's the only Elder still in his domain).
Idk, I just thought i'd speak about that hehe

[waxen ermine]

Or he could be in the future

My theory: First shows the king as a kid, growing up, making his mistake, sacrificing himself and dying
And then it shows Steward in the future. There's ruins, and stuff, the dried up wasteland with a large boat left behind. His destiny is to get to Eden quickly and hug king ghost

The episode may alternate between past and future

[shadow moon]

That also might work

[waxen ermine]

E.g in the same episode, we'll see something like
The king in the past, exploring the marketplace. It is lush and filled with people
Cut to the future, it shows Steward, the same marketplace is in ruins

Remember in the description, "One kid becomes a king, the other kid convinces a former world to give up its power"

[cobalt palm]

Theory: The Steward is the king reborn after their sacrifice in Eden, so it's more in the future, but they realise their mistake, and try to gather as many uncorrupted spirits, that became the guides, as they realised too late how to save everyone.
As a final act, they took a single red candle to a landing spot behind the Aviary tower, knowing that if the prophecy is true, or possibly put into action by their former incarnation, skykids would arrive, and need a candle to free them from the corruption. Roll credits, show Aviary new player game intro, and the Skykids landing at Aviary to find the candle

[waxen ermine]

Right, I agree that the Steward is the reincarnation of the king (and possibly the strongest one because all the guides hold him in high regard, reward him with clothes for free (when its the kids who do all the work and he just stands around and tells us to), and has the strongest fireworks, and can order players and others around)
The other sky kids are the king but not in high regard

[noble ravine]

Are there comics or something I should be looking at? Where do I find this lore

[shadow moon]

You can start by reading this : https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/mobilebasic

[strange flare]

is this in the official trailer? And which one?

[north bronze]

the prince, supposedly named "Dawn Star", and the child that people assume to be the Steward, supposedly named "Golden Star"

presumably named that way because of the places they were born/fell in (prince fell in Isle of Dawn, long haired child must be related to the Golden Valley)

[north bronze]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message, #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[north bronze]

i genuinely hope these theories are wrong; i've always disliked the "Skykids are all just fragments of the Prince" theories - it makes us less individual and unique, and it takes away from the confirmed canon that we are a different species entirely
i do agree that the Dawn Star & Golden star stories are based in different times, but i suppose we'll have to see if they are reincarnations of each other

my personal theory is that they both met in orbit/the punishment room, and merged to create the first Descendant/Skykid (i still hate this theory but it's based on 1 snippet from the leaks)

[north bronze]

https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/Sky:_The_Two_Embers#Trivia_(SPOILERS)

"it becomes dark in the latter half of the series"
"the script has changed a couple times"

😐 wafo?

[celest birch]

Mhm, which is actually very interesting, given that the things that collect our cape´s colors resemble refined darkstone. Darkstone that can absorb only specific light spectrums? Whoa~

[strange flare]

oo thanks!

[north bronze]

well, refined darkstone absorbs light in general, that's how it works :P we light the diamond with our candle, machine turns on, doors open or boats start driving :D

i think these are just Sky's version of light projectors tbh, lol
but nonetheless it still collects the colour (and therefore light) from our capes and by proxy reinforces the "our clothes are made from light" theories :]

[celest birch]

Very much so; nonetheless, this creates a very interesting basis that maybe darkstone can be made specifically micro-flawed so that it absorbs only one spectrum of light (which is what color is) and emit it as well. Maybe that´s how Sky´s Disco Light prop was made? 🤭

[north bronze]

yeah maybe! i've never really thought too much into how Darkstone works but if it can be engineered to power separate things like doors, boats, "light projectors(?)", then who's to say it can't be engineered the other way around, where it can absorb only specific separate types of light?

[celest birch]

Now I´m totally imagining the King´s room looking all ominous and all in red light ... 🤭 And when it comes to light projectors, we do have that in form of Ultimate Remembrance gift, thus it can also be that.

Speaking of Krill, holy yikes the trailer ones are speedy! O_O

[north bronze]

the way the Days of Colour rainbow puzzle collects our light too reminds me of the Praying Acolyte when they're in Aviary Village and how they collect our light when we emote next to them - it's probably not that deep though lmao

[celest birch]

Honestly, I subscribe to both weapon size and the Krill´s size (aka smaller ones have more softer easy-to-impale shells presumably by being younger as well).

[shadow moon]

But what about the krills we scare in the Nine Colored Deer's last quest?

[north bronze]

wasn't that krill invading the Crescent Oasis and being a nuisance/threatening the peace?

oh wait sorry i just came back and answered without thinking about context

[north bronze]

i guess the deer is just that strong?

[celest birch]

Really? Since I always thought that they´re giving us the light-shower, as when praying near them, they restore our wings.

... #timing, Elf! 🤭

[north bronze]

ach i'm not on the game right now 😂 it could have been either way for me!

also we're wearing matching pantz

[celest birch]

I was honestly surprised that just as you mentioned Praying Acolyte in AV, they just happened to be there. 🤭 As for how the 9-Colored Deer managed to repell all these Krill, definitely that strong, given how its crescent moon-shaped light seemingly heals creatures to full strength.

[spiral vault]

That's a cool idea, but I think it would be more interesting narrative-wise to have them interact with each other

[celest birch]

Sun shield seen on the first wounded soldier that Seed of Hope saves.

[celest birch]

They still glow when not having light trapped within, only less intensively. :) Darkness Tree without and with trapped light.

I presume that "natural" form of darkstone glows to our presence so intensively because they´re like you said: crystals, thus having mostly uniform chemical structure while "biological" things like Dark Plants doesn´t, thus their glow is more dimmed.

[spiral vault]

The second one seems very strange

Two seasons for each main character? One of them is dead and gone, and the other is chilling around in Aviary

A Two Embers season seems very unlikely, it takes place across the entire world

[waxen ermine]

Sorry! Not in the trailer, but I saw it in the wiki

https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/Sky:_The_Two_Embers

[spiral vault]

That whole sentence was confusingly worded, we'll see how it holds up

[waxen ermine]

I assume they got it from the interview

[waxen ermine]

Im so sorry, the artbook confirmed the kids = king theory (it said that the king sacrificed himself, which turned into many lights that went into the sky which came down as as Sky kids)

Wait, there’s leaks of the show?? How??

[waxen ermine]

Heroine? Aha, I was right, the other is a girl!
I noticed Jenova Chen’s strange wording

“The boy becomes a king.”
Which implies, if the sentence continues for the other one…
The boy becomes a king, and the girl…”

It’s not “a” boy, it’s “the” boy

[hallow pilot]

Where are y'all getting the footage?

[celest birch]

Honestly, I absolutely wish that if they´ll do the collab-seasons with Twin Embers in center that they´re gonna be great slices of LOOOOOORE-cake ... and that we get to see Ancient Light and Darkness again! ^-^

[celest birch]

Maybe this answers why can we dress up our Skykids as either (making them look very boyish or very girlish)?

[waxen ermine]

I never thought about that, even my friend said the hairstyles were “very gendered”!

[celest birch]

I know it´s for gameplay purposes, but it´s fun to try justify that from in-universe perspective. 🤭

[north bronze]

literally every Ancestor (seasonal spirits and guides included) are dead & gone
+, if Golden Star truly is the Steward, then they technically aren't "gone", just dead

if it seems unlikely, just wait until next year (as well as when the leaks drop for our side of the community) and we'll find out. to me it seems extremely likely.

[north bronze]

it was translated from the spanish youtube channel that posted the trailers, that's why it's worded so wrong.

[north bronze]

my Youtube feed has been recommending them, weirdly enough! also my bf found a couple of things to try and keep my hype going :p all YouTube, though

[north bronze]

whatever the seasons will have, i can't wait

Season of Dawn Star and Season of Golden Star
or maybe it will be like the Ancient Lights & Ancient Darkness from season of shattering...1 season, 2 spirits

[hallow pilot]

ok, thank you!

[north bronze]

:] if you can't find it on youtube then TGC doesn't want you to see it! but so far, the "new" trailers 1 & 2 are still there after 3 days! (i don't feel secure enough to actually send them without getting into trouble though lmao)

[hallow pilot]

They mean actual ingame seasons? Thats so cool. And unfortunetly I haven't seen any of the videos, a part of some attached to videos comenting about them. Either way thank you, and don't worry i'll try to find them by myself.

[north bronze]

yeah it seems so! and it seems the season(s) will be held in the new-ish collab room that's in the Vault...if i'm understanding the text correctly

which makes me excited for a potential new seasonal area (or two)!

[celest birch]

Or rather a potential 2-part season with "Way of the Dawn-Star" and "Way of the Golden Star" being the means to access Ancient Light and Darkness ... hopefully permanently. :)

[north bronze]

thats sounds cool :] TGC do be experimenting with new ways to implement seasons

[celest birch]

One hopes that via it we´ll also discover what exactly is Winged Light and especially Void of Shattering.

I still can´t even how the game´s info literally says "deliver winged light through Eden to fulfill your destiny.".

[north bronze]

honestly

i can't remember what my interpretation of Winged Light is right now lol

it's friday and my mind is fuzzy 😵‍💫

[north bronze]

are you able to provide? i always hate asking for proof/sources, but i've just always hated that theory, and all i've seen about that one particularly were non-official/unconfirmed, so i've always taken it as extremely non-canon (the only art i've seen is Tom Zhao's portfolio)

and they were leaks of the new trailers, with extra clips & snippets :] i think they're still on youtube, on a spannish youtube channel, as far as i'm aware, they still haven't been taken down after 3 days

[waxen ermine]

Gimme a second, I might have the photo saved (of the artbook)

[north bronze]

-bracing myself- oh lord

[waxen ermine]

Paragraph on the right

[north bronze]

"The story of Sky was workshopped to be a redemptive tale about descendants of light. They returned to the ancient kingdom to learn that civilization had tragically fallen along with its ancestors."

"Centuries ago, the light was abundant and travelled through the Earth and sky in the form of billions of souls. In the clouds, some light souls remained and helped shepherd others back. The light was worshipped as honored and sacred."

"A child, along with civilian villagers, had discovered that light could also be harnessed into power to expand their civilizations. That child was crowned as a Ruling Prince, and those villagers became the Elders.
Together they grew the realms into a kingdom. it was a selfish act that drew light from the sacred migration and even the souls of Light Creatures until the void set in its place. The void manifested throughout each realm, absorbing all life in its path. The skies began to collapse. The Ruler and Elders realized their precarious actions, but it was too late. The Ruler would sacrifice themselves to share light back into the skies, and the light souls would then return as Descendants."

muh individuality 🥺 muh uniqueness 😭

however it seems a lot has changed since the game released...i really, really hope this has changed too :((((

[analog spade]

I thought it was like, some stars fall and become elder than we have another guy who made eden then eden explode and everyone die and we part of the guy that made the eden crystal thingy

[waxen ermine]

A lot of hints in game still point to the kids being the king unfortunately (so they may not have been scrapped)

[north bronze]

from what the game told me when i started, the elders & king fell from the stars at the same time, and we were sent down by our equivalent of god to restore the world

[north bronze]

gosh this sucks. so my skykid used to be some big evil man who destroyed the world. i hate that so much :(

[analog spade]

Also, does anyone know why the story (of the spirits) of the refugee place (at vault of knowledge) is so sad? From what i get is the country was in some kind of poverty corruption something… and everyone was just miserable, is that all?

[waxen ermine]

They suffered from the war going on (like a realistic depiction of how even citizens suffer from it)

[north bronze]

Season of Rememberance/Repository of Refuge?

it's about war (presumably the one that took place leading up to the end of the world)
2 of the 4 spirits found there are a veteran and a soldier, and the other 2 spirit's memories are about them dealing with their own situations of loss & trying to not get caught

[analog spade]

Thanks for explain it kept me up at night

[waxen ermine]

Bereft Veteran: Lost their son as a soldier to the war
Wounded Warrior: Lost their friend and the innocent shopkeeper who wasn’t even involved
Pleading child: Lost their caretaker who was arrested (this kind of thing happens when they assume someone is a spy or a rebel)
Teamaker: Her friend died before she could heal them, there was guards blocking the way (presumably like, a curfew on a land during a war where nobody is allowed to leave or enter)

[north bronze]

but its also themed around poverty* etc in terms of style, i assume, because it's season of rememberance - relating to IRL rememberance day

[north bronze]

i love the music for the season when i'm reliving the spirits

[celest birch]

If you ask me, we´re still being individual and unique because we´re not the same as the King at all ... and honestly, this kind of fate, imho, serves as the perfect end to the Ruler: being in a perpetual cycle of penitence and karmic retribution for his hubris with the Diamond of Eden.

[north bronze]

my individuality is gone, i am now the child in the trailers

[halcyon wren]

Weekly Eden run for me:

For the part of the King living in my soul:

[winged bison]

If you have Cackling Cannoneer's cape, put that on as it looks super close to the kid in the trailer's cape, both the green and stone on it- expect with the purple on top of it haha

[north bronze]

sadly i don't :((( i took a small break last year and missed all of the cool spirits that i wanted! best luck in the world

[celest birch]

Exactly; it also makes sense why does it seem to hurt our Skykid when they give wl away to the Lost Ones.

[celest birch]

How about this?

When the King tries to express themselves, but the Skykid completely misunderstands.

They (Skykids) never saw pre-Shattering Eden if we see them as their own individuals (which they basically become if you ask me; death/eradication does tend to cause complete memory erasing as well), thus they could try to style themselves like that. 🤭 And as for why Skykids don´t suffer any type of memory erasing during their deaths, it´s probably because they´re now a part of the soul-cycle that the King tried to harvest power from ... and if not that, then it´s all spirits that they helped return to the skies as well as all freed Lost Ones if also not the Elders and even Megabird as well.

[north bronze]

(sorry for the slow replies, i'm doing my dailies, CR, shard and all that business)

regarding the edit, or the text you've put into italics:
-the prince/king supposedly sacrificed himself by splitting his light and putting it back into the world in the form of descendants
-the game (and most other sources) state that the bird of light sent us to the world

i'm willing to justify that the king returned his light to the stars (the light, the bird of light, the megabird), and the bird recycled his light into the descendants; i.e the soul cycle

[celest birch]

That might be exactly how things went. Hopefully Twin Embers might both show and confirm this! :D

Good luck with the dailies, especially the chosen spirit daily, and the shard. 👍

[north bronze]

tyy, my biggest problem is the cutscene bug in the rainbow event =_=

[celest birch]

Too relatable; I only found a workaround in pretty much resetting the server, then going directly for the ticket before the server merges with the one that has all candles lit.

[north bronze]

i literally just did that, used my partner to warp back tho

it's not like i even need the tickets lol, i just want to buy as many hair spells as i can

[celest birch]

... Same. 🤭

[inland cliff]

It's a crime we didn't get a black hair dye when we already had black trail spell

[inland cliff]

This has prob been talked abt bfore but it's that each spirit in tlp season is a representative of a realm/each of their flaws

[north bronze]

funnily enough black hair even exists in the form of a visual bug 😭

[north bronze]

not something i've seen myself but very interested in reading about it, it makes sense given there are 6 spirits & 6 realms (7 if you count the little prince and eden)
afaik the personalities are mainly based from the books though. not to say that they aren't representative of the realms either!

[inland cliff]

Tgc stopping us from being emo
Or they're too committed into the pride month celebration that no black hair dye so there won't be black and white hair 😔

[north bronze]

"there won't be black and white hair"

hm? 😛

[inland cliff]

Our hair is already white but it makes me feel old sometimes xD

[inland cliff]

It's really hard to think what spirit could represent isle and prairie since they're seen as the era the dark stone revolution becomes a thing so I think the theory should just be for fun thinking cus trying to fit each spirits with a realm was not fun for me 😭

[north bronze]

well we can say for certain that Gloating Narcissist would represent the Valley of Triumph, given his performative personality & the fact that his pants are identical to the Valley Twins :]

[inland cliff]

Yea , aesthetics of a realm can be seen in the spirits, like with sneezing geographer it's Vault and the drunk spirit is definitely Wasteland, but it's their overall message and theme that would determine what realm do they at least show a glimpses of

[inland cliff]

Gloathing Narcissist shows Valley (Elders?) being too prideful and unreasonable
Drinking spirits shows
Wasteland (Elder?) as foolish of starting aimless war
Sneezing geographer shows
Vault (Elder?) being well-studied, but is too committed than to focus on other important matters
That's the best I could think of (⁠ノ⁠｀⁠Д⁠´⁠)⁠ノ⁠彡⁠┻⁠━⁠┻

[midnight igloo]

Hi, I don't know if it was already noticed or discussed here, but today I've done some exploring in the last memory from Shattering Season and have anyone noticed a small diamond inside the guide and the diamond inside Eden crystal in the memory? Because look at these (the second one is from inside the big crystal)

[waxen ermine]

Well spotted!

[midnight igloo]

Thanks! Also I don't know how I never noticed, but if you go higher to the top of that crystal, the music is changing to more like Eye of Eden gate

[sinful crystal]

Once, we guided the migrating flocks. Once, behemoths flew alongside us in peace. And then we took the light from the wind. The behemoths that remained were only the monuments to ourselves. Our cities shone with a captive glow. We were enraptured as we taught our machines to bind and hoard.
What were the monuments to themselves?

[north bronze]

i would like to add that their little locations may contribute to their representation - sneezing geographer (vault rep) is found on a stack of giant books

it may also be worth noting that the greedy stargazer (i can't remember their name) is hoarding artificial stars/refined darkstone, reminiscent of the Forest Elder's fixation of darkstone

the only spirit i can't correlate with a realm is Stretching Lamplighter

[boreal hare]

stretching lamplighter could be dawn due to the correlation of the dawn elder with lamps and flames, atleast in concept art?

[spiral vault]

Well, the King is different, they were literally destroyed in the explosion and unable to be saved

Also, there's still the question of where to put it, the 2 kids are in many realms

[twilit sky]

Hey lore chat, so the coloured light- Do we know if it does anything specific/has lore implications? (Im pretty sure it does? Just don’t remember what)

[long vessel]

My best guess is that the "monuments to ourselves" would be things like the temples, cities, and especially the Coliseum and the Vault. The temples are monuments to the elders, the cities (especially Valley) is a monument to their technological advancement. The Coliseum has giant statues lining the entryway and standing to either side of the main stage. Wasteland has literal statues of the king. The Vault is most likely either built right next to or embedded within Mt. Eden, and it is nothing if not a massive monument to the old society (full of relics and memories, serving as essentially a royal library, as well as probably a place of worship and study). Eden and the beginning of Orbit both have statues of seemingly Vault priests/acolytes holding/praying over darkstones. That whole castle was seemingly a part of the old palace/kingdom on Eden's peak, and then the other castle we pass on the way to up to Orbit was most likely the one we see floating above the mountain in the trailers, so both of those also were/are some of those monuments (even if they're largely detroyed and abandoned now).

Even the pipes and factory infrastructure could be argued to be monuments of the industrialization (and by proxy, the King).

[sinful crystal]

And I assume the behemoths that flew alongside them were the whales/elder mantas?
Unless they thought adult mantas in general were daunting enough to be considered behemoths

[oblique garnet]

Thank you That's interesting information

[oblique garnet]

What also reinforces this theory is the new animation of capes materializing from light (this was added a couple months ago)

Also about the other cosmetics, I think those might be some form of (light or astral) projection.
When spirits share their cosmetics with us, they use white candles just like sky kids do for using currencies with spirits or friends. I think these big white candles are a manifestation of the inner vessel of sky kids and ancestors (which holds cosmetics, emotes and currencies etc. and possibly light).
For example, props only have collision when they're placed by us or our friends (iirc) but not when placed by lit or unlit strangers. (This might tie into another theory that we have multiple spiritual bonds to friends and spirits that connect through the constellations/stars (like a giant tree))
So props might only be projections as well, which only fully materialize for the sky kid that is placing them and their friends because of their spiritual bond via the stars.

Also what you folks said: When sky kids are extinguished, all their cosmetics vanish for themselves (maybe because their vessel doesn't function due to the lack of light). But this is the same for how unlit strangers appear to us.
Coming back to the spiritual bond theory, I think any skykid actually looks like the default grey kid, but our spiritual bonds and our own illusion make us appear witg cosmetics. And lighting a stranger in a server could establish a temporary spiritual bond not via the stars but only in this small area through proximity.

At least this is how I see things.
(I might be using some wrong words here and there cuz not a native speaker, so I hope whoever reads this gets my idea anyway)

[north bronze]

The text states that they will be collaborative seasons, with a bit of extrapolation, you might assume that the Vault Entrance’s collaboration room will be home to this seasonal area(s)
It would make sense since the Two Embers is a collaborative project between TGC and the animation studio

[north bronze]

The initial argument you made was that seasons are unlikely because everyone is dead now; however, this doesn’t mean that they will be unlikely, since all of the currently existing seasonal guides are also dead

There are a number of ways the seasons could be implemented

*ahh, I see you’ve edited the initial comment you made. people seem to love editing their comments in here...

[sinful crystal]

Prop collision also turns on when you interact with it, like when you sit in a chair (I don't remember if the same goes for lighting a pot/other flammable prop, I think so though), without necessarily having lit the owner

[oblique garnet]

I thought so too, but lately it doesn't seem to work like that anymore (update maybe).
I'm gonna try to test it tho to confirm.

[lucid bridge]

What do you guys think these things are?

[waxen ermine]

Lantern

[celest birch]

That really reminds me of the bells that we use when interactiong with some Belonging spirits/Grandma calls us with to come to her meals.

[inland cliff]

Sparkling parent also used it as a lantern in their memory

[versed mirage]

The model is doing that lantern no favors.

[lucid bridge]

It has turned to stone

[split ingot]

guys i found a website that has sky cotl concept arts (n other games too)
am i allowed to share some concept art here

[celest birch]

You know, this reminds me of all carbonized stuff found at Pompeii after Vesuvius went BOOM, so is it possible that it´s actually carbonized/petrified due to the Shattering explosion?

[celest birch]

That definitely reinforces the hypothesis that the Diamond of Eden wasn´t made from a single horrifically large darkstone ore, but rather parts of them mined from all over the place; with this "main" part being refined from the huge ore we see at Prairie Peaks, as it´s about the same size when compared to the Skykid.

[celest birch]

Same with the Beckoning Ruler, but given how in the original Little Prince book his inspiration is the King with no subjects giving orders that will be fulfilled anyways, I´d say that he is Eden.

As for the Little Prince himself, he can be the Skykid allusion, given how we first meet him in the (Starlight) desert and he explores the world alongside us before deciding to return back to his Rose aka his true home, which does remind me of "Runaway" AURORA Quest found in Isle of Dawn.

Stretching Lamplighter though ... no clue, honestly; his inspiration, the Lamplighter, does represent the working class and their dedication to the cause that might/is ultimately meaningless in the grand scheme of things while being directed by ones higher to do those tasks, which does smell kind of like Daylight Prairie in part.

...
Which does make his (Ruler´s) current TS-visit VERY ironic, Eden literally visiting us in Aviary for the second time even. 🤭 Not to mention that him wearing the frog mask together with the statues might allude to the realm "croaking" as well.

[split ingot]

WE COULDVE HAVE THIS INGAME

[celest birch]

Who says we won´t, especially the underwater ones? ;D Only gotta change the spider into a mosquito or something and it needs to be able to be stunned.

[split ingot]

i found more interesting art hehe

[versed mirage]

That spider one is cursed. Imagine if it tries to blend in with the environment and doesn’t move until a player gets close

[inland cliff]

Tgc: noted

[celest birch]

Black Shard visual, for lore chat when it comes to what exactly darkstone can be (it really looks like polished obsidian, doesn´t it?).

[strange flare]

there's pots grown with dark plants that you can't burn away.
(In Daylight Prairie Caves)

[strange flare]

Where was this line from?

[sinful crystal]

Shattering introduction poem

[strange flare]

no thank you that seems horrifying HAHA

did you not see the sky kid getting punted by the turret 😭

[spiral vault]

Yes, each colored light represents an element

Red: Void
Orange: Fire
Green: Earth
Teal: Air
Blue: Water
Purple: Mind

[grizzled vector]

what about pink?

[twilit sky]

Thanks ^^

[halcyon wren]

When we ride mantas, we can see pink light connecting us to the manta. So possibly pink light represents the energy within a bond/connection. Not my original idea, but I forget who said it in this chat.

[inland cliff]

Isn't it purple?

[boreal hare]

it probably depends on lighting

[trim gull]

are we able to talk about the recent light awaits trailer

[spiral vault]

idk

[vale sonnet]

Just curious
What would happen to skykids if they were in the past ( where two embers took place )

Need to know

Edited parentheses

Anyone??

[sinful crystal]

Someone will respond if they see and have the time and ability to give input

[vale sonnet]

Sorry I’m just impatient I didn’t mean to annoy anyone

[sinful crystal]

No one's annoyed

[vale sonnet]

Oki

[grizzled vector]

The only known "skykid" at the time (that we know of) was Ruler so that could get all sorts of awkward

also it seems that Art of Sky semi-confirms that skykids are intended to be reincarnation of Ruler (or at least Ruler's "light") so that would be a bit of a temporal paradox

[vale sonnet]

But theoretically

What would happen to the skykids and the ancestors around them

[lucid bridge]

There is some serious structural and water damage in the Archives. Why do you think there’s so much sand? Water? Holes blasted into the walls? Was someone trying to get in? Get out? Was the vault damaged?

There’s also this waterfall, which I heard before I saw. It comes out of the ground. Do you think this is the result of a busted pipe? Much to speculate on

I wonder what happened here.

[spiral vault]

It would probably be a very interesting situation

The ancestor spirits wanted a source of power for the kingdom, and the skykids had a lot of light and have lots of unique powers (such as flight). It's possible the various Elders would try to sway the Skykid to their side

[vale sonnet]

Or worse

They could hunt them down like mantas

[spiral vault]

How do you hunt a skykid?

[vale sonnet]

Idk but they did have weapons so it isn’t that far of a stretch

[spiral vault]

They're not like a regular human, the only things that can hurt are rocks, darkness, and water

I suppose they could make 'darkness cannons", that would be cool

It would also depend on how many wings they have, any more than 100 and they're basically invincible

[vale sonnet]

I get ya

Still rrly nice to discuss this topic
It gives a lot of room for speculation

[strange flare]

My theory would be because it is the closest to Eden, thus facing the strongest storms.

the Repository of the Refugee also had its ceiling damaged, with many pieces of floating floors scattered all over around it.

[oblique garnet]

What do people think about this?
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[strange flare]

I'm not sure since it links a lot to how the game functions, unlit strangers appear to not have cosmetics can also be to save some memory so they don't have to render everything

Placable props can be visible to everyone, meanwhile the props like music instruments won't be visible on your hand

[north bronze]

that would be the equivalent to us hunting down the evolution stage of human that comes after our current stage of evolution

Ancestors are an intelligent civilization. i don't see any reason for them to have been hostile towards Descendants/skykids, outside of the war that happened.
however, they (pro-darkstone/pro-king Ancestors) likely continued to exploit the creatures & their migration paths, as well as held child-labouring factories for Descendants, for their inherent resource of constant light. but even for Sky CotL, that's a bit too dark. it's probably what it would have been like, though

[north bronze]

mental manipulation, deception, gaslighting, exploiting the trust of the innocent

~an edit:
we aren't some all-powerful being. we have 0 aggressive actions - 0 way to fight or defend ourselves

the only powers we have, compared to our Ancestors, are:

• light-dependant flight
• a candle & inner-flame
• the ability to be reborn after natural death

the only thing Descendants would be able to do against hunters, would be to fly/flee, and hide