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[tribal otter]

Well, it might be that the corrupted work as kind of a hivemind, seeing as they all have ine purpose. Also, I think the krills flying in in the Wasteland is just for cinematic effect, though I might be wrong

[celest birch]

Given the war that happened there, I wouldn't be surprised if Krills took the Wasteland as their new home and are now viciously guarding it.

Now that is awesome. 🤭 I'm taking this as my headcanon, since given that we've already seen whales (those are whales) but not an Elder one (which is suspected that this one with 4-horned head is), it would be a nice tribute as well as show that yes, Elder Whales were indeed a thing in the past.

...
Even though now I wonder if each shard memory also sort of represents the main realms we run through from DP to Vault.

[waxen ermine]

They seem to be drawn to areas of darkness or strife or pollution, or something

When the deer was weak after the hunters captured it, they came eagerly to crescent oasis

Idk how the area got suddenly polluted with dark water and plants simply from the dear leaving, I doubt the king told his men to throw trash everywhere

[upbeat notch]

Well it was the villagers who poisend/polluted the water, wasnt it?

[waxen ermine]

I don’t remember, I’ll have to check
Oh they literally poured in poison into the water to attract the deer

[upbeat notch]

so wait doesnt that mean they just had pollution in a bottle at a time where they couldnt have been any? Is that lore or just game element?

[waxen ermine]

Stuff to according to the wiki with interesting lore implications

In the fourth Quest, the Hunter and the Feudal Lord's soldiers send out the Herb Gatherer to enact their plan for capturing the Nine-Colored Deer by tainting the Crescent Lake, spilling a jar full of poison into the waters. The sky darkens as multiple Darkness Trees grow out of the tainted water, harming several of the resident creatures and drawing forth the Nine-Colored Deer.

the Herb Gatherer, who has fallen sick from the poison used to taint the waters.

Darkness sweeps over the Crescent Oasis. An ominous purple storm begins to form as multiple Dark Dragons terrorize the village,

[upbeat notch]

cough cough last part deserved

[waxen ermine]

None of this was in the original tale of the Nine Colored Deer though, so this is all Sky stuff

Here’s the original tale:

In ancient times, a Persian merchant gets lost in a great windstorm. Suddenly, though, a spiritual deer of nine colors appears to guide the man. Later, the deer rescues a man drowning in a lake. In exchange, the man promises not to reveal the deer's whereabouts. The man reaches an imperial palace. The king insists on hunting down the spiritual deer to make clothes out of the deer skin. The man gives in to his greed and leads an army of warriors to the spot. He falls into the river again, hoping the deer will show up to rescue him. This time, all the warriors' arrows turn into dust and the man is drowned.

The animated version which Sky likely based on:

The film expands on the story. The deer is first seen rescuing small animals and insects when the tree they live in is blown down in a storm. The deer guides them to safety and persuades flowers to bloom out of season so the bees will have food. Then the deer saves a party of traveling merchants who have lost their way by magically moving the mountains to make a clear path for them. The story that a magical nine-colored deer has come to the country begins to spread among the people. Meanwhile, a man who sells medicinal spells and cures for snakebite is gathering herbs and falls into a lake. He is rescued by the deer and promises not to reveal its whereabouts. However, the vain queen of the land has also heard of the nine-colored deer and begins to pout and sulk, demanding a coat made from its fur. The king posts a huge reward for anyone who can tell him where to find it, and the potion merchant at once decides to betray his vow of secrecy and lead the king's hunters to the deer. The birds who were rescued are terrified and rush to the deer begging it to flee, but the deer is serene, saying it cannot be killed. The potion merchant pretends to be drowning again to bring the deer to the lake, but when it is surrounded and the hunters fire, the deer manifests a halo of divine light and sacred symbols surround it. The arrows turn to dust. The warriors all stand ashamed as the deer berates the potion merchant for his unfaithfulness and greed, and birds fly around him striking the man with pecks until he sinks into the lake.

[upbeat notch]

So all the poisen stuff its sky original?

interesting...so then what is darkness or pollution that it can be contained in a bottle

[lucid bridge]

This is a small, unrelated detail - but I really like how the steps in the Forest Elder Temple are so worn. It means that they have been used a lot, and I can really imagine Ancestors walking up and down them. It’s a cool way to visualize the past.

[celest birch]

I´d say it´s liquid/water of some sorts that´s been mixed with crushed darkstone as well as potential byproducts of darkstone-production; in case of Crescent Oasis, given how the Hunter acts, It isn´t beyond me if the poison used is pretty much water polluted with the remains of dead creatures (ala whale skeleton in HF´s Boneyard) that had died unnaturally, thus leaving corpses behind.

And yes, this is absolutely as dark as it is ... and I´m totally going off that horror story where guests in a local hotel complained about their tap water being black color only to then discover a corpse in one of the water tanks.

[celest birch]

We do have 2 missions where Dark Dragons showed up sooner (chasing us and chasing the manta), thus something was already wrong with the village even before the poison was poured into the Oasis´s waters imho ... and if it´s implied that these waters were the source of drinking water for the village, then ... yeah, that´s a great yikes. I wouldn´t be surprised if Krills come where there´s both pollution and strife.

[oblique spoke]

wdym given the war that happened there u're trying to say theres no war and everything is just skykid's imagination? Should I go there and retake the pictures about how or why spears, swords, or shield, and the iconic medieval battle fence Chival de Frise laying around.....
If this is no war, this is a rebel
if this isnt a fight...... idk what it was then, kid's roleplay battleground i guess

[river cove]

Wasn’t sure if asking about it would be spoilers for the abyss quest, but i was curious about the king krill at the bottom of the abyss, if we go to visit him will he attack us? I’ve been wanting to see him up close but wasn’t sure if i wanted to full send it, visit him as in ive finished the quests storyline already

[devout forum]

Yes it's a rebel cuz there's no dark creature here

[river cove]

Oh if you mean that war, the creatures of light were attacking the folk that were using darkness crystals as a source of power, using them is what caused the downfall of their society(stupid autocorrect-.-)

Also is it safe to visit king krill after the abyss questline? Will he attack us?

Ooo awesome, imma go do that soon then

[devout forum]

He actually won't even give you a look.

[celest birch]

... You misunderstood. Of course the war happened, a bloody blind person would be able to tell it. I said that Krills most likely took the GW as their new home because of said war, so I have no bloody clue how did you get such a great misunderstanding.

[celest birch]

Civil war, moreso.

[devout forum]

yep so TRUE cuz there was no dark creatures when aurora showed us the war in GW in fact before i watch auroras concert i thought they were truly fighting the dark but no it's just an insurgency

[devout forum]

i wonder how did isle of dawn turned from grass to desert

[jovial nacelle]

dehydration

[celest birch]

At least before Seed of Hope came, that is, then we start seeing Krills. First the little ones and then the big one.

[gilded tartan]

the soldiers are attacking the manta who are fighting against them. because the mantas and other light creatures has had enough of people using dark stone and sucking their light. there are people who are sided with the light creatures. krills happen after the explosion i think. according to the concept storyboard, "The creatures caught in the center of the storm became corrupt and unrecognizable. They now wander the land as lost malignant beings."

[oblique spoke]

[north bronze]

the amount of times i've seen this addressesd, as well as everything else being talked about here today, is quite mental

turns out the lore channel is just the exact same questions every day, even though they get answered

[north bronze]

time, lack of civilization, desertification. life cycles of the land. nature.

[north bronze]

according to the concept storyboard, this explosion was caused by a "powerful ark", and the shattering Diamond didn't exist (conceptually) at this point

i think it's safe to say given the evidence that Krill were created in the Season of Abyss area, and the explosion from the shattering diamond both:

1. trapped souls too close to the explosion inside shattered memories where time doesn't exist
2. corrupted (or unnaturally killed) light creatres that were a "safer" distance from the explosion

-my point with this was that there are some very clear changes from the conceptual storyboard, and other things they very clearly kept in, but i do still think that Eden's Shattering Diamond contributes to the creation of Krill; just not the original conception, nor the source of all dark creatures

[devout forum]

Well this channel itself is missed up in fact all the messages are are 📚 literally 📚

[north bronze]

books?

[upbeat notch]

Alot of text with no order because subjects are being changed and questions not answered. You cant find anything in here

[north bronze]

questions are being answered every day, and then asked again

if you want to find something, then just use the "search" function.

i just searched "desert" and found quite a lot:
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[upbeat notch]

Some people want a theory with actual proof behind it? Cold seas is something that has not been mentioned once in sky

[north bronze]

it's logical and true to nature. it makes sense the most out of any theories that have nothing that isn't the same to back it up.

i'm simply addressing your concern "you can't find anything here" - you can.
nothing wrong with expressing my feelings.

[upbeat notch]

How does the seas get colder make logical sense? We dont know what kind of explosion the Eden crystal produced and we dont know how powerfull it was and if it even had influence over the climate

Im just asking questions

[north bronze]

1. take a look at google, i'm not going to write out an essay on desertification

2.you dont know how powerful it was, i think you mean

it was obviously powerful enough to kill an entire kingdom

it absolutely had influence over the climate. just look at the game. there is darkness everywhere. offshoots erupt from the shattering diamond and crash land all over the realms

the Shattering Diamond is one of the primary catalysts, and very reason the world is in the state it's in, it definitely has influence over the climate
-skies turn red on shard eruption days
-the closer you are to the shattering diamond, the more intense the storm of darkness is
-basically anything that the shattering diamond does feels like an artificial force of nature

[devout forum]

Well no there isn't darkness everywhere, Isle of dawn and daylight prairie doesn't have a single dark plant.

[upbeat notch]

1. Deserts are formed by air currents. Hot air rising from the equator loses its moisture in the process, producing clouds and rain, which give rainforests their name. This now dry air cools and descends, generating an arid, formidable desert environment.
2. Then tell me how powerfull it was, Im happy to learn

[devout forum]

Nor corrupted light creatures and dark creatures, darkness only exist in hidden forest, golden wasteland and Eden.

[north bronze]

days of nature - influence over the climate:
there is a new darkness plant event, along with a new dark creature, neither were here before, and very obviously it's from the shattering diamond, otherwise it wouldn't be red

the prairie has dark plants. go to the villages & sanctuary islands.
the valley doesn't have a dark plant aside from 2 small ones inside the temple

"there is darkness everywhere" you're nitpicking and i think you know what i meant

[north bronze]

powerful enough to destroy a whole race of people & corrupt/ruin an entire kingdom LOL

you two can talk amongst yourselves. i'm not going to address you both talking about different things while slowmode is enabled. byeeeee

[devout forum]

OK the "days of nature" will end and that dark creature will dissappear and there's nothing In villages and sanctuary islands and those 2 small ones are from hidden forest so yea still this diamond thing doesn't control the climate.

[north bronze]

"there's nothing in the villages or sanctuary islands" you must be new here, log in and take a look for yourself

"those 2 small ones are from hidden forest" there is darkness everywhere in hidden forest. there are 2 small plants inside the Valley Temple. go take a look.

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[upbeat notch]

Elf search things up in this lore chat. What kind of explosion would only kill one specific kind of natural life, why are only the ancestors being killed and nothing else?

[north bronze]

nitpicking, i'm going to the store

[upbeat notch]

Alredy said that before: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[north bronze]

you're changing the subject and getting into specifics. i'm done here & i've said what i have to say

[devout forum]

I am aren't new and I always look there also like I said the days of nature will end and the dark creature will disappear and that goes same to the rock that everyday is throwen

[north bronze]

well if you are new then i apologize, i don't mean to come across as insulting. it's just, if you're a Senior Uber like your title suggests, you surely know that there are dark plants in the areas that you said there are none.

yes, Days of Nature will leave, but it comes back every year. because pollution never leaves. I don't know what you mean by "rock that is thrown".
as for the new dark creature, we can't say for certain if that will leave, stay, or migrate to a new area. we will just have to wait and see

again, i'm going to the store, Imaginator please dont @ me. i see you typing

[hushed swift]

i might sound a little crazy, but i think the increased amount of shards recently might mean something

[upbeat notch]

Last year days of nature didnt even had any dark plants in it, it was just cleaning up the vortex

[hushed swift]

i dunno what, and it may just be a gameplay convenience, but i am looking at it 👀

[north bronze]

we know that, i asked you to please stop @ing me

[upbeat notch]

Well usually people dont answer when they arent pinned

[north bronze]

i have explained 2 or 3 times that i would like to get going now.

[upbeat notch]

Cool so are we done with this subject? (please, I hate doing these discussions with negativity in the air )

[north bronze]

it has been 8 minutes since you sent that message and you just edited right now, as if we're still on the subject

my dude, if you want to be done with it, be done with it. i said way earlier that i was trying to be done with it.#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[upbeat notch]

tbf it sounded like you were just disregarding the things I say as nitpicking

[north bronze]

i was

i'm done here

[upbeat notch]

Im glad this subject is over

[spiral vault]

because nobody knows about the lore

We're stuck in the bottom part of the server, forgotten, with this ridiculous slowmode that's been here for months

[upbeat notch]

Bottom part of the server?

[gilded tartan]

of the chat they meant

[upbeat notch]

ah

[north bronze]

like, as you said "you can't find anything", it's lost to time (unless you search it)

basically the same meaning

[spiral vault]

oops sorry 😛

(in actuality, you're right)

[upbeat notch]

Oh ok (btw can I pin you again?)

[celest birch]

Speaking of lore implications, I really wonder what would the reasons be to have Krill fireworks.

[upbeat notch]

I can understand crab firework since they are neutral but...why...why krill lol

[shadow trail]

Maybe they are there to simply show the history or our journey in fireworks

Given that krills are technically part of their history or our journey

[lucid bridge]

Probably the same reasons we have tigers and dragons and hippos etc in our art. They’re a part of our history both real and mythological

[celest birch]

Or maybe they're symbolic of Eden while crabs are symbolic of Golden Wasteland?

[shadow trail]

The issue with this is that crabs exist everywhere

From Sanctuary Island to Vault of Knowledge, on top of them appearing in shattering events as well

[edgy kernel]

not far from people making horror art or things of that nature i think, people love depicting or writing about horrible monsters, whether they're real or not. Maybe some day we'll get a dark dragon enthusiast spirit

[upbeat notch]

Lol Imagine we get a Krill call from such a spirit

[edgy kernel]

their outfit is a hand sewn krill suit and their sound is a krill call thats great

[upbeat notch]

yea and its introduction is just jumpscaring us with its call lol

[celest birch]

GW does have the single biggest population of crabs of all realms tho, thus the suspicion about this.

[shadow trail]

then perhaps crabs migrated to other realms

[celest birch]

I wouldn't put it past that, given the crabs seen in Two Embers trailer.

[dawn wharf]

Alright, I’m back from the fire trial (THANK GOD)

And took some pictures!!!

And yeah. The light clearly looks orange to me. But even if it were red, I suppose that’s when we should take into account that these are beings make of light we’re talking about. When we give the red light to the muralist, we see her use it to paint the remnants of the ship with murals, which suggests to me that red light is used for artistic purposes. If the light given from the fire trial were red, that would signify that fire (for the ancients) refers to their soul, as it’s essentially what they’re made of. If we take season of enchantment into account again with this train of thought, I’d assume that the orange light used by crab walker represents the more physical manifestation of fire, that of warmth, which was discovered during long after Resh completed the trials. But once again, it does look orange to me, so this theory doesn’t seem applicable unless I’m colorblind. But yeah! There ya go!! What do you think??

[torpid grail]

Since we can go through eden and stuff again, what good did the skykids actually do? Does something different happen if you complete all constellations?

[upbeat notch]

I assumed they just went and saved more people in eden

[real mortar]

Nothing different happens when you complete all constellations other than access to the elder stuff (hair, masks)

But I do wonder if lore wise we're stuck in a loop of death and rebirth because the kingdom is stuck in time - the only time we get any form of time progression is within homespace, aviary and from events like turtle sunset or seasonal stuff e.g. bloom or feast.

Homespace doesn't feel like it's part of the kingdom so much as it's just a load zone for us. Events, I don't consider particularly canon to the kingdom's lore since they're based mostly on irl seasonal changes and events (i.e. bloom in spring, feast in winter)

And the only reason I could see for Aviary having time progression that the rest of the kingdom lacks is because we actively did have an impact on reviving the area.

Everything else feels stuck still and I wonder if that's why we're in a loop.

[haughty blade]

Smal question: What's the temperature of a sky kid? Every time they run around in the grass there's clippings that turn to ash.

[real mortar]

Oh wow I never considered those could potentially be from us being too hot to run on grass, I always thought they were particles just for visual aesthetics

[spiral vault]

Probably around the size of a moderately heated up brick oven

[spiral vault]

I'm not sure about that, since there's real tangible changes in the kingdom. It's not just a complete reset, new things happen

Skykids help the world in smaller ways: they rebuild structures with shared spaces, they help light creatures, and generally make sure the kingdom is in good hands

[edgy kernel]

huh, where does that happen? i cant seem to see it

[haughty blade]

It happens in most grasses. You can see the bright green flecks turn to black if you look close enough.

[edgy kernel]

interesting

i wonder if either they're burning, or when the grass dies it turns to darkness

[haughty blade]

that's a hypothesis I didn't think of. 🤔 But if that were the case, bouquets and flower arrangements wouldn't possibly survive, right?

[edgy kernel]

i guess atleast in some of those we sorta turn em into light, or wear them ourselves ( maybe our light keeps them alive? )
what an odd thing to think about

[haughty blade]

hmmm I'm not buying the conditional/situational darkness transformation myself, but you are right that it is interesting to think about haha

Going off my thoughts, maybe they have a normal surface temperature but can produce a more burning heat when friction occurs? They get a bit brighter when flying faster and produce sparks when sliding swiftly/hopping

[wide totem]

any ideas about the nesting guide's relationship to the forest elder?

[waxen ermine]

Mentor+Mentee

[mystic estuary]

Are they angels or

[upbeat notch]

Who?

[north bronze]

another day, the same previously-answered questions

[north niche]

haha, this isn't stackoverflow. I think new people wanting to discuss previously addressed topics is perfectly valid and welcome

[lucid bridge]

Who knows, some people might bring a new perspective to things too

I don’t think Sky lore can be “solved” because it is left vague on purpose. New perspectives and interpretations are interesting

[dull fiber]

i have a genuine question, i (actually not me, i went with a new friend) just finished eden today. why do we have a second life and what do we do in it?

[lucid bridge]

As a game mechanic - so we can replay the game and get ascended candles.
As lore - I interpret it as our job not being done, so we are reborn.

Every season there are more spirits to release and winged light to collect - so maybe the Light is reaching new places and we must help the spirits there also.

[viscid walrus]

do we ever actually finish the game?

[upbeat notch]

Nah

[lucid bridge]

Maybe when support for the servers ends. I hope this game has a end-of-life plan.

I would like to continue playing at least some version of the game even after TGC ends support.

But that will be years from now.

[upbeat notch]

I hope its not the same as with nintedo where the servers shut down yes, but there is like a single player still left somehow

I think it wa something like that tho Im not sure

[devout forum]

The game is actually endless, you k(r)ill yourself in Eden and then you return back cuz of a wl that standing in the void awaiting you to hug it after that you return to the earth and do your journey once again from Isle of dawn to Eden then you k(r)ill yourself again and hug the wl and then return to earth and yea so its basically a ♻️

The game itself becomes bigger and the lore becomes more complicated every season.

[upbeat notch]

Am I the only one who really wants a season about the darkness only?

[jolly gate]

Ngl that would be awesome

[devout forum]

Indeed!

[jolly gate]

And would probably give us more of an idea on what it is/how it works!

[waxen ermine]

I’d love a season about the king

[devout forum]

I would also love to see dark people aka (people who are dark infected just like the crabs)

[upbeat notch]

I could provide that

I like corrupted children of the light

[devout forum]

Now that makes the work!!

[waxen ermine]

Actually corrupt Sky kids would look like this (see Corrupt Descendant)

Which resemble the king tbh, more proof king = Sky kid

[devout forum]

Now with this picture I'm sure 100% that the king is alive but infected with darkness

[waxen ermine]

Remember Sky kids are also called descendants

[upbeat notch]

Wow thats acctualy horrifying lol

thats just a zombie (wait we alredy come back from the dead...ARE WE ZOMBIES?!)

[devout forum]

Very interesting

[upbeat notch]

Btw is the darkstone just black shard pieces?

[waxen ermine]

It’s what I’ve been saying, because the red ones are called red darkstone stone or something like that (or was it corrupted? Shattered dark stone?)

And it rains black shards that don’t damage you while the red ones do
Black gives normal candles while red gives ascended

[upbeat notch]

I kinda think that darkstone has been sorta been replaced with dark plants when it comes to corruption (since instead of darkstone there are dark plants growing on the sky kid which I assume means it has been corrupted)

[dull fiber]

what mask is that

[upbeat notch]

from season of shattering

[devout forum]

Dark plants are actually small light creatures like butterflies that got freeezed cuz of low light energy and so they merged and turned into dark plants.

[spiral vault]

That's me fr

[bitter ore]

Guys, are winged lights sentient?..👁👁💦

[upbeat notch]

no exept the one that saves us in eden

[bitter ore]

Ok!

[lucid bridge]

I always thought the dark plants eat the light creatures. Like when you free creatures from dark plants it was growing on them like some sort of carnivorous plant or parasite.

[lucid bridge]

Well, there’s actually nothing that says they are or are not (The one in Eden is definitely sentient, though, as it can respond to you). They could be sessile and sentient. Or sessile and insentient. As for where the winged lights come from, or their true nature, that’s never explicitly stated.

My theory is that they are remnants of the king, because I just like the idea of it. But that’s just my personal headcanon.

I wonder how identity was treated among the ancestors. Did they have names? How many? What were their naming conventions? Did they ever change names?

[upbeat notch]

I mean they are also called "Imprints" so I dont think they are sentient

[lucid bridge]

I didn’t know that! Thanks for sharing! This supports my “remnants/imprints of the king” theory Where are they called imprints? Is it in the beginning of the game?

[upbeat notch]

Not really: https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/Children_of_Light

[snow hatch]

I always wondered, is there an official name for the first ever sky kid? Within the lore I mean. Ik all the elders have names but does the first ever skykid have one?

[lucid bridge]

Interesting.

[lucid bridge]

Not that I know of. We see a Sky kid fall during the memory of the pointing spirit, and it is theorized that is who would later become the king of the Sky kingdom, but canonically they do not have a name.

Maybe someone else remembers the concept art names (technically not canon, but official)

[next junco]

I thought it just turned red in the presence of Light, and the stones that stay dark are ‘broken’ somehow.

[spiral vault]

They've had a ton of names, but none of them are official for now

[snow hatch]

Gotcha ok! Ik there isn't anything canon other than some things but that's all I know

[snow hatch]

What are the names?

[spiral vault]

As in, names created by the community

I've heard of King and Prince (then there's Resh and Alef, the hebrew names in concept art), as well as Eden Elder (that's my favorite)

[north onyx]

And if you honk it scares them and they duck! Not all day, but usually the evening to night? Some spirits seem to have consistent schedules others don't.

I wonder why the waving bellmaker just stares out the window of this building

[waxen ermine]

Maybe to wave to people XD

Also forgot to mention, but yesterday you see every spirit at Praire peaks using telekinesis magic, which implies this is a thing anyone can do, not just learned scholars (I tried to take pics of all of them but I was too slow when I reached them, so yes Whisperer and Geologist do it too)
But you do see them all wiping sweat with effort ( )

Also during the fireworks days at aviary, every spirit guide uses their own hand magic to make fireworks (except steward who needed a staff)

[waxen ermine]

Since the elders are currently labeled by devs after what each realm is based on (Dawn, Day, Rain, etc..) and Eden is “Storm”, maybe that’s what he is now?
Also maybe Eden used to be Midnight before it was Storm

[spiral vault]

storm elder has a ring to it

[waxen ermine]

Theoretical what the valley elder would look like if merged as one

(Hints to them being one elder: They each have one eye, one normal arm, one strange arm (that could be prosthetics), their throne/gravestone is just one split down the middle)

[visual lichen]

Sentient, maybe. I like to think of the wl as places the original sky kid stood, and that the wl are just ethereal remnants of their energy. Or if you'd take on a deferent perspective by taking eden into account, all the spirit statues in eden are according to cannon, skids that ☠️ in eden.
When doing eden, we offer the energy of the wl to the statues so they can awaken and get into orbit. Maybe the wl are sentient and are more like spirit memories, but in order to fulfill the memory you have to get the wl spirit to eden first, and the places you find them were their favorite spots. (we all have our favorite spot in the realm) But that wouldn't make sence as there are a lot more wl in the world of sky than there are spirit statues in eden.
But that's just my opinion. 😁👍

[abstract finch]

maybe there are more lights than spirit statues because of the wing buffs you get from spirits? obviously there is still an overwhelming number of winged lights compared to spirit statues, but i guess the wing buffs could be remnants of the spirits’ energy that they are giving
idk if any of that made sense hopefully

[upbeat notch]

It could also be that there once were enough statues but that they disappeard over time, we saw the same thing in eden where there was a child statue but it turned into dust

[dull fiber]

why do krills attack us in the first place

[noble ferry]

well krills are hungry for light

[grim summit]

Is there a reason why the elders have names from the Hebrew alphabet? Like is Sky supposed to be some allegory from the Torah or did the creators just think it sounded/looked cool lol?

[cold sparrow]

That was only used in concept art/development and has been scrapped/isn't canon.
For the 'why' you'd have to ask the devs.

[grim summit]

Oh do they have new names now?

[cold sparrow]

From Alasdair:

The Elders have names based off Hebrew letters from concept development that are no longer canon, though the fandom sometimes refers to them as such: 

Isle – Daleth (ד) 

Prairie – Ayin (ע) 

Forest – Teth (ט) 

Valley – Samekh (ס) (They share a name. Though fandom often calls one ‘Sah’ and the other ‘Mekh’ to differentiate) 

Wasteland – Tsadi (צ) 

Vault – Lamed (ל)

The devs refer to the Elders by the times of day their realms represent:

Isle – Dawn
Prairie – Day or Daylight
Forest – Rain
Valley– Sunset
Wasteland – Dusk 

Vault – Night

besides that, they're mostly just refered to by their titles (Isle Elder, etc.)

[grim summit]

I see thanks

[spiral vault]

i think it's the latter

[waxen ermine]

By the way, does anyone know what exactly the prairie peaks are doing during days of nature?

[cold sparrow]

there's a darkness shard landing in the river and corrupting the water/spawning the lurking darkness creature
to keep the darkness from spreading to the entire valley, the ancestor spirits builds a dam to catch the darkness sprouts and burn them

[shadow trail]

That makes me wonder though, will that dam be there forever ?

[waxen ermine]

Maybe

Also something else I noticed, the 8 player room changed from how it used to look
There’s now a spot where you can put on a cosmetic (I think it was cape? I don’t remember), and not any others… just that one, it’s a strange spot to put a changing station
And it’s next to a hill which has a little house built inside, with a winged light (it wasn’t there before)
What do you think is the reason? Maybe the prince gets his cape in this area in the show?

[lavish tapir]

I believe that's for changing capes for the Days of Color event. That event is centered around the 8 player room but with a catch of requiring capes of each color of the rainbow to be worn. So I'm guessing the changing room is just to make it easier to swap if you can fill a color gap when you get there.

[waxen ermine]

Ohhh, had no idea! Thanks!

[versed mirage]

If you look around the circle, you can even still see which color was needed where

[dull fiber]

i have genuine question if light is white or yellow, then why are we black? (I'M NOT RACIST! I'M JUST CURIOS)

ohhh that makes more sensee that's maybe also why we honk and not talk to spirits

[blissful palm]

why'd stone need air to breathe?

[dull fiber]

if you look at it like that, we are made of light just the light body we had cooloff and became stone, so we go in eden to get out light release but eye of eden just reborns us to continue our journey and never return home, that's why we never been one of the fallen ones, we are the light that always gets to be reborn (maybe theory or complete nonsense)

[dull fiber]

our stone bodies doesn't need air, neither the light bodies of us inside the stone, it's probably the water being too cold underwater and it cools off the light eventually burning out the heat from the light inside us, so we need sun light to heat the light (prob nonsense, yet it somehow makes sense to me)

[blissful palm]

then are all those bubble areas hot water sources? sky kingdom must have lots of thermal activity

[dull fiber]

most likely

[versed mirage]

You do not burn out underwater but still can lose WLs bypassing burnout. Also there’s an item that literally extends the time for how long you can stay underwater and it’s a rebreather mask.

So I don’t think it’s the water being cold or something. I think it’s skykids requiring air.

[waxen ermine]

Fire does require air after all
I think orbit is an exception due to kids being ascended (making them immune, like a super form for them)
Like how they can run through pitch black darkness, destroy darkness and skate on water with it

[versed mirage]

Yea but you don’t actually burn out when underwater. Even when you drop WLs

[dull fiber]

if sky kids are made of light that is trapped inside stone, then why do we need air, afterall light isn't fire

[waxen ermine]

They have a candle in them, it’s probably that fire

[versed mirage]

I mean, I think skykids are a bit more complicated that just being golems. They can eat and sleep

[versed mirage]

Actually a new cutscene was added for new players acquiring the candle they hold.

[waxen ermine]

Oh! I had no idea

[versed mirage]

The devs never put a way to see it if you already were playing past Aviary

[dull fiber]

that's possible, but if they are light in stone, why do they eat, sleep and drink?
it may not even be stone after, maybe the light is trapped inside some living creature that looks like stone but needs basic human needs expect air, only candle needs air from it being fire

[versed mirage]

But the candle is just found on the floor and using your light, gets relit and basically just becomes something you keep.

[versed mirage]

They also have a form of bleeding

[waxen ermine]

Ancestors seemed to need it, they had to do fishing and cooking and stuff, and they did get tired and sleep

Meanwhile Sky kids, it’s not necessary but they can if they want, and Sky kids do feel like an ancestors 3.0

[dull fiber]

sky kids bleed?

[upbeat notch]

I mean we are sort of ancestors to a certain part I guess

[versed mirage]

The blue crystals that protrude out of you when in critical state. If you let a crab vibe check your legs, your legs will form the shards

[blissful palm]

they probably do, they always close their eyes when lying down, a lot of lying down models for hammock and beds look like sleeping positions

[waxen ermine]

Yeah, Sky kids can sleep but don’t need to (just like with eating)

Ancestors needed sleep, they had beds, one spirit memory has a tired worker go collapse on a bed

[versed mirage]

I wonder if Eden was an attempt to replicate the Sun.

[blissful palm]

the Sun in what wy, for what purpose? And are you referring to the beam or the crystal?

[dull fiber]

eye of eden could be and experiment on replicating the sun, but it must went wrong from one of elders (prob the king) that sabotage it and the eden instead released a bunch of light which fell on ground creating moth aka "skykids" that's probably why all the sky kids exist, we are all maybe just light that escaped from eden and our goal is to come back but the eden always launches us in orbit which orbit will probably just throw us back on ground to "reborn" us

that's my theory how sky kids are born, you can disagree if you want

[versed mirage]

Crystal and I don’t know. A lot of the murals show Eden as emitting light that people prayed and admired. Eden also does that weird thing when you hit 0 where it glows like the sun for a moment.

[dull fiber]

it possibly glows as it is calling our light to enter it and go into orbit for our reborn

[blissful palm]

from my understanding like with most crytals it was for power, and like just like all crystals it needed a light to work so the kingdom decided to take the ascension beam for it
but then it overloaded and blew up, the calling of sky kids were later to save people
this game's yet another environmentalist cautionary tale after all

[versed mirage]

Might be, but I’m not sure we actually end up at the Eden shard itself… what if that void area is like a place between places.

Like a place that connects to everywhere and nowhere at the same time.

[dull fiber]

probably the inside crystal (eden) are the memories we see from red crystals as memory of what was happening in eden before catastrophy

[versed mirage]

The only times we’ve been to that place are shattering guide, shattering memories, leviathan, and Eden

[waxen ermine]

And dying prematurely

[versed mirage]

Oh yea. Forgot that one. But that makes me think it’s more likely a place between places

Like a limbo

[dull fiber]

yea i'm probably just sayin nonsense tho, how would it go together hmm

[versed mirage]

Actually the shattering guide always takes you to the memories… but they’re just memories. Yet abyss has one with something else alive in it… so it’s not a memory?

[dull fiber]

maybe the eden crystal wasn't suppose for power at all it was probably just something that could hold memory of elders so they could be reborn without losing all of their memory

[versed mirage]

So like what the sun does?

[dull fiber]

the sun probably never existed in sky universe, maybe it's just orbit that's emiting all the light and acts like sun

[versed mirage]

Well the sun, or that big ball is something.

It makes a liquid-like sound so it’s probably molten. But it also has Orbit… is orbit like the shard memories?

[dull fiber]

orbit could be inside the eden shar / crystal, so it is possible

[versed mirage]

If the limbo is related to Eden. Then maybe if Eden is a failed attempted at replicating the sun, then orbit is the counterpart to it.

Cause Orbit is also a limbo. You’re not dead or alive

But orbit also holds the key to being reborn with the door

[dull fiber]

where's gametheory when we need him

[versed mirage]

Retired

[dull fiber]

what a shame, i bet this chat would be more alive if he did made video about sky lore

(any recommendecion to look on?)

[versed mirage]

Not sure

[dull fiber]

probably yea

[versed mirage]

Sky never really got picked up by any of the big names that I know of.

[blissful palm]

there's not much content and it's all high personal interpretaiton anyway we could endlessly make stuff up
king waz a lizard person

[dull fiber]

sky doesn't have actual lore?

[devout forum]

Smart Question: Does Sky actually has a lore?
I mean like everyone has their own opinions on a lot of things in world of Sky and the way that it's explained it's kinda complicated like some people saying that all creatures of dark are originally light and some people doesn't agree (including me) and also the game is just a ♻️ like seriously you always start your journey again like nothing happened and the way that darkness being explained is overrated right now I still don't know how darkness conquered both GW and Eden so fast than light speed we know king's face and it's name but we don't know it's buddy. Basically Sky lore is messed up for me personally it remains unknown you just rebirth and move back to the place where you belong to then you rebirth and yep really it's very hard to know if the game ACTUALLY has lore or not.

[north niche]

tbh for me it was always "yeah it's up for interperetation" much like journey was with the murals. until i played the aurora quest for The Seed, where in the battlefield they are fighting creatures of light. that's where it clicked for me like "oh TGC has a little canon tucked away that they're working on"

really i think most of it has to do with the way the universe works and what exactly happened to bring it to the state it's in now. probably a lot of those circumstances have been retconned to some degree after release.
like the transition from wasteland to vault has always felt awkward to me, li feel like they set it up pretty late in development and didn't have time to make it fit better

[devout forum]

I also wonder how vault of knowledge doesnt have any darkness presence like it's literally the closest place to Eden and what makes me more curios are these guards, why everyone is scared of them? What is their main job? they were guarding some door and then a spirit was sneaking thro cuz she was scared of gettiing discoverd by them i still wonder whats wrong with these guards if anyone has an answer

[blissful palm]

more like you won't get tones of content like some rpg, there is lore, it's jut minmal with hardly any or no text and "depends on your interpretation"

[devout forum]

there are 2 spirit memoreis about them, the first one was a spirit tries to save someone from death and the second one got discoverd which is this memory right now

[blissful palm]

i don't think they're the same, they're just generic soldier models
like how often we use the pointing candle maker's model on background characters

[tacit sentinel]

Can someone explain to me why in the end of the flying intro the players cape disintegrates?

[blissful palm]

all we know is that there was some for war for some reason. We don't know if it's civil war or some outside kingdom or group, tho civil war is pretty popular theory and easier to explain than a faraway country.
as for lack of darkness i think the place barely had outside exposure and nobody brought containers with plants inside, besides everything past the second floor isn't physical which is also why after meditating at the shrine the room changes

[upbeat notch]

What is THIS

[tacit sentinel]

The flying intro?

[upbeat notch]

flying to where, since when has that been a thing?

[tacit sentinel]

Flying to who knows where it’s been in for about a month

[north niche]

they made a new intro at some point and when you first start the game you land in aviary village after a little "taste of power" sequence

[upbeat notch]

So wait you start the game and then you just get this sequence

[tacit sentinel]

You start a new account this intro is for new players

[north niche]

initally you're just a skykid having a blast and flying then you get struck by lightning and lose your cape and fall to the ground with no wings, like as an alternative to starting in isle of dawn

[upbeat notch]

huh...

[north niche]

for gameplay implications it gives new players an idea of what they can do later on after getting some wings.
as for lore implications i think it just adds to the "skykids are scattered about the world" idea

[north niche]

the vibe i got from it is that the military had enacted curfews or simply restricted people's movement by that point. perhaps a civil war had been brewing or started by then

[waxen ermine]

That kind of thing does happen during a war
The way they’re arresting the boy’s caretaker reminds me for how they’d send people to arrest someone they find suspicious or rebellious (e.g there’s rumors this person has been spying or giving to enemy info)
Or in tyrant countries they do this without necessarily having a war

Looked it up, according to Wikipedia, they did hold curfews during WW2 and Gulf War which was detrimental to people like homeless (or in the case of Sky, someone trying to find outside herbs to cure their sick friend)
Maybe not necessarily curfew, maybe she was sneaking outside her land’s borders (or past enemy lines) during a war which wouldn’t be allowed

[north niche]

yeah, it wouldn't necessarily have to be civil war. really just any conflict. or an opressive government

[sharp shore]

Ermmmmmm guys i have a question

The season of nesting has that painting of the forest elder with the season guide. So do the elders actually interact with the citizens of each realm?

(I mean its not too surprising for political leaders to talk with citizens but theyre usually in rallies. But she is with that quest giver alone?)

[inland cliff]

Yep. It is up to ur imagination to think what happened between them

In my personal belief, I assume this was just a last-minute rushed final touch of lore so ppl would actually discuss abt the season since there's literally nothing else abt it that is worth discussing anyway. So imo I don't think this piece of lore is that important cus I doubt they will even bring it up again

[sharp shore]

I guess theres another piece of evidence to support it

I saw in the prophecy caves the drawing w/ elders and some randos standing by them in those cave drawings.

[inland cliff]

Elders had to have interaction with the ancestors because they're their mentor and ppl seek them for guidance n stuffs

[spiral vault]

The fire inside our stone needs oxygen

[sharp shore]

Honestly though from what ive seen the government was crappy as hell it seems (in sky)

[spiral vault]

They only pretend to, it's not a biological function

[spiral vault]

Absolutely, look at the Vault cutscene, the elders regularly interacted with the season

[sharp shore]

Indeed

[pallid dust]

I can say that this is not the first case. When the season of flight came out, the season guide description included this. That he studied or was associated with the Elder of the Prairie

[sharp shore]

Yea i forgot about the other instances of them. Havent played in over a year

[pallid dust]

It's ok

[inland cliff]

It remains unsure whether they actually did smthg bad enough to call them crappy at leading the Sky kingdoms, like we still dk what they were doing while the war was happening, plus tgc never had the intention to make someone outrightly bad at the beginning

[sharp shore]

To me theres enough evidence to point to an unstable government. Then again, you are right, tgc gave us peanuts to work with

[inland cliff]

Real

[devout forum]

well actually why not just wait until the final quest comes? we may see them both in face

[sharp shore]

Atp various headcanons can make sense because of how little they gave us

[sharp shore]

Ye we’ll see

[blissful palm]

it's not even exposed, and that core is solid it shouldn't need anything

[celest birch]

What I actually find interesting are Crabs attacking the wood we´re sent to collect with the Nesting Guide at Forest End though.

Woodlice/pillbugs?

[inland cliff]

I believe the elders are representations of each major part to be a leader, like wisdom , strength , companionship , durability , workmanship , and harmonious

[inland cliff]

Think it's just for challenging ig

[celest birch]

Challenge or not, it´s interesting to think what else would crabs potentially eat when there´s no Skykids to attack.

And pillbugs, which are crustaceans, do mainly eat decaying plant matter like wood.

[inland cliff]

Crabs don't even have mouth so they're not rodents but who knows if they even eat anything lol

[blissful palm]

they're professional haters
they even attack furniture

[celest birch]

I legit thought that that is something pillbugs would do and since devs once asked what is a Sky Crab ... )from what I remember, that is).

[spiral vault]

They also have major weaknesses, which is opposite of the season of prophecy virtues:

resilience-earth- prairie elder constantly sleeps

patience-water- forest elder quickly snatches your light

balance-air- valley elders focus on entertainment over everything else

courage-fire- wasteland elder acts scared, lashing out at the air

[rapid trail]

Im new to sky, just playing for 10 days.
But does the Aurora quest , the scenes related to the lore? If so, Do you think the Wasteland Hunters that fights Krills, do they eat the krills?

[pastel brook]

you have a home in the Sky Queendom!

[blissful palm]

that aurora quest features fragments from the war, not really a hunting party
but maybe krill can be eaten, we don't know

this ofc assuming we treat collabs as canon things, which I don't

[rapid trail]

I think the only collab that I considered cannon is aurora

[inland cliff]

Good points, while we don't have anythg in great details of them but there's just so many interesting itty bits of info abt them

[rapid trail]

How do we eat Grandma's food if we don't have mouths?

[inland cliff]

Aurora stands between the line of canon and uncanon
Although if you think of the war like Fallout with low amount supplies, ppl eating krill can be possible

[inland cliff]

We never actually ate them, we just burn them then they convert to waxs

[rapid trail]

Irl krill are delicious but since Krills are big, they might taste like shrimps.

[delicate totem]

I mean, we know the king has a mouth, does that count?

[rapid trail]

Wait a king? Im really new to the game so I'm still figuring out the lore stuff, but it's really fun 😄

[inland cliff]

We for certain don't have mouth and can only communicate through honks, while the ancestors are more likely to have mouth and their own language

[rapid trail]

We can drink tea from the furniture stuff tho?

[delicate totem]

That guy in the constellation! :))) In the vault of knowledge, the crown revealed a figure eating an orb, which is most likely the king

[inland cliff]

Not eating 😭
They're just holding an orb most likely the Megabird

[rapid trail]

Oh, i didn't noticed much,
Do u recommend any yt vid explaining sky lore?

[inland cliff]

There's alot, you can search for a compilation of sky lore vids

[delicate totem]

I learned all of this by searching "Sky cotl Tom Zhao" on pinterest, but youtube does have good lore videos!

[rapid trail]

If we rely on fire, or any light source to stay alive... does that mean we are Photosynthesizing? Idk, Sky kids biology is very fascinating

[inland cliff]

Did you ping the wrong chat 🤔

[delicate totem]

Yeah 🥲

[rapid trail]

Thanks everyone 🥺👉❤️👈

[delicate totem]

You're welcome! :)))

[rapid trail]

Have a little headcanon that the reason why the rain in the hidden forest drains your light is it's probably Acid rain from the wasteland

So thats why, those black moldy mushrooms started to grow in the hidden forest is probably the result of wasteland rain water

[delicate totem]

Yeah, that's what i think, too!

I'm pretty sure the darkness plants are based off of carnivorous plants? not completely sure, though.

(for more lore in the game, i'd check the prophecy cave runes every once and a while,)

[blissful palm]

if the forest temple door is any implication, is that the darkness plants were always there before gw's pollution

the dark plants and light creatures are used to make power crystals, and the door animation shows that

[rapid trail]

I see Darkness plants more as a parasitic plant taking the nourishment from nearby natural plants.
That's why they grow back fast if you stop burning them.
The wasteland have huge and big darkness plants.
Then most places where darkness plants located in the forest are near sources of water, or the ones with lest light areas

[blissful palm]

the temple's also a crystal factory, gw had multiple bigger versions of it. My guess is that after figuring out how to create power crsytals they created factories at gw and it all went to hell

[rapid trail]

Oh, i see, naruhodo

[delicate totem]

Interesting! I've checked concept art and The hidden forest was a place that "manufactured" dark stones, so they were probably there before Golden wasteland.

[rapid trail]

I watched too much nature documentary as a kid so i speculated it's a metaphor for Polution

[spiral vault]

The Elder of the Eye of Eden, they are dead but are referenced in various murals

(the mouth looks more like a neck collar to me)

[river parcel]

The prophecy guide looks strangely like Anubis

I’ve noticed this for a lot of the guides:
Flight > Hermes/Freya
Dreams > Hestia (w/o vale)
Nesting > Brigid

[cold sparrow]

The devs take inspirations from all around. Prophecy guide certainly has some anubis/jackal inspiration.

Dreams guide is a bit of a stretch. They're wearing something more inspired by a kimono from the looks of it.

and Freya isn't commonly depicted with wings on her head like that

[river parcel]

That’s why I put Hermes first. But, it was more on the chariot wings I was going for. I couldn’t find a good picture with it

[river parcel]

I took it more on the behavior due to Hestia being the goddess of the hearth and home. The dreams guide gives off the vibe to me

[cold sparrow]

Imo that would fit more to the Belonging guide

[grizzled vector]

According to the the concept art, those are made from something called "darkstone" (which can absorb Light). The process is also toxic and is a source of "corruption"

[spiral vault]

It's similar to the other Prophets, for example fire prophet is a guardian lion and air prophet is camazots

[grizzled vector]

But yea, the Forest Temple/factory was probably the first of its kind, and the ones in the Wasteland were built later. And it seems like the dark plants kinda spread alongside the industry. It's kinda unclear what they are exactly, but we see them pretty much anywhere we see those golden urns similar to the ones in the Temple

The Prairie was a source of butterflies for the darkstone charging industry and the plants even spread there. In the underground area of the Prairie Caves (where the Exhausted Dock Worker spirit is) you can see butterfly jars with something that looks like dark plants growing from them. Curiously, they cannot be burned, and seem to be "dead" (the only such occurrence in the game)

But yea the Forest and the Wasteland are probably toxic due go the fact they had those factories in them (Wasteland obviously got much worse than the Forest by the end)

[waxen ermine]

If the devs officially called the new monsters Lurkers, does anyone know what they called the leviathan? If you have been following beta chats or anything (I don’t because I don’t wanna be spoiled)

[wind prairie]

Interesting how often miners died in hidden forest and if forest elder even cared about it...

[tawny wedge]

Just sharing my little thought after seeing the "does sky have lore?" message way back, but I think the lore began to emerge more when the Season of Prophecy began, bc the amount of players playing the game started to escalate around Enchantment and Sanctuary. That's just my thoughts tho

[spiral vault]

It has been there since the game started

[manic radish]

I'm kinda confused - why do the skykids dress and look like the spirits, when they are a different species?

[waxen ermine]

They seem to like learning from ancestors and taking after them

[manic radish]

Part of what confuses me is how the player looks like one of the spirits, even before meeting any of them.

[north bronze]

it has been here since before the game started.

[north bronze]

imagine if us humans all died out, and God sent a new improved version of human

you'd think they would look and dress almost the same as us Ancestors, right?

[slow chasm]

Hi lore chat, we were just wondering in qnh, what could darkness plants be referencing? So far we had decaying funghi, huge stinging nettles, or a type of big-leafed cactus

[north bronze]

us Descendants and the previous Ancestors are only different species in terms of evolutionary improvements, we all came from the same source, we're all this game's version of "human", just different evolutionary stages/purposes

[north bronze]

the Forest Temple, after initially unearthing Darkstone ore for the first time, was made to be a kind of factory to harvest the light from creatures & use it to power refined Darkstone Batteries that were also smithed/forged in said Temple.

the residue from these harvested animals is what makes the water in Forest toxic and harmful to us, and it's also safe to assume that this is what helped to fertilize the first dark plants

as you said, the Wasteland is more of the same, just a little later, and also the realm where dark creatures were first concepted (treasure reef creature refinery), so it's more potent in darkness & was naturally the focal point of the war

[spiral vault]

Evolution as in natural selection, not like pokemon

[north bronze]

yup, i never implied Pokémon

[spiral vault]

Just clarifying

[north bronze]

i made the comparison to human evolution, not Pokémon, no need to clarify :)

Pokémon evolution is far too drastic to compare to Sky's Ancestors & Descendants
Darwinism is more accurate; subtle changes over eons of time - we were sent "decades after our Ancestors died out" by the Bird of Light, and we are effectively the same race as Ancestors, with 2 new abilities that are subtle in terms of visible evolutionary changes:
-flight
-flame control (ancestors could manipulate light, not flame)

it's just a rapid mode of evolution, which also have real world examples

"Darwinism is more accurate" - i say about a game where we are created & sent to the world by a god then made to make our way back to heaven to reincarnate

so many parallels to evolution and religious philosophies lol. Christianity and Buddhism + Darwin's evolution = Sky CotL

[vocal forge]

Has anyone considered with skykids whats nature and whats nurture?

[spiral vault]

wdym

[north bronze]

our nature is to follow the Light and seek out spirits of the past to help them Ascend with us, and to rid the world of darkness & corruption

our nurture is those same spirits bringing their cultures, festivities, fashion & arts/music to us, as well as teaching us personality traits such as emotes and stances, in a way they are guiding us as a new developing species

[rain frost]

I've heard theories that the Hopeful Steward is a skykid because they look like us, but how can that be if they're a spirit? What about the cycle of death and rebirth?
I mean, I know you have to go to Eden to have a proper rebirth but even if you die outside of there by losing all wl, you go to the pity room and regain your light, you don't stay stuck somewhere as a spirit like Hope is.

[blissful palm]

by that logic every child spirit would be a sky kid since they look like us. The steward is not a sky kid

but hey maybe megabird was insipred by that puntable idiot when creating us, who knows

[quaint vine]

My Idea is that they sacrificed themselves. Cause they r the first spirit we meet when we first start in Ivory.
Maybe they sacrificed themselves so they can show us (the one who’s supposed to save the whole kingdom) the Village and revive it

||Just a thought ||

[rain frost]

ohh i like this idea, it would make a nice parallel (maybe in the Two Embers?) with the theory of the Prince/King being a skykid too.
two skykids trapped in death, one because they voluntarily sacrificed themself to help others, and the other one trapped as punishment for hurting the world

[quaint vine]

Omg this is gooodd

[north bronze]

there is evidence that the prince is an in-between stage between us Descendants and the Ancestors (if we look at it like an evolutionary chart), and I have thoughts that he & the Steward are the only 2 of their kind (regarding whoever said they look like skykids - last week, someone pointed out that the Steward has one of the diamond-shaped chest cavities that we have for our candles - you just have to look reeeaally close).

love your thoughts further down regarding Eden and Sacrifice/Punishment

[waxen ermine]

Not only that, but prince has a chest light like Sky kids (while ancestor kids don’t)

See here

So when you think about it, megabird may have sent the prince down, the first Sky kid, to get all the spirits back up to the sky (since they live in constellations and stuff)

That failed as he ended up enjoying living there, and growed up massive as a king, even bigger than the elders (which means other Sky kids can too?), that or he started riding a king mech which is funnier
So the megabird sent down another Sky kid possibly, Hopeful Steward (with the manatee) to fix all that, in the far future

[rain frost]

and maybe Hope failed because they, once again, were just one singular skykid, and that's why there's so many of us now - which is a nice origin story for sky's central theme of connection and friendship

[waxen ermine]

Aren’t these two the prince’s caretakers? (Ushering stargazer and boat mask guy)

And you can take their hands too and mess around, as if they’re parents

[blissful palm]

possible, we don't know if the dropped sky kid was the prince

especially more so since the new intro, if taken as canon

[blissful palm]

Are the colored light orbs from enchantment one of a kind? Can they not be renewed? We could solve so many environmental problems if we could recreate them

[versed mirage]

_> Not sure it’s a good idea to mess with that. Last time they tried to mess with stuff they didn’t fully understand it killed everyone

[blissful palm]

Well the ark did turn out fine

[versed mirage]

I don’t think they wanted to have it end up in pieces though. It only turned out fine cause we fixed it partially.

[blissful palm]

Oh for sure but I didn't include that part because that's just eden explosion and not colored light going crazy
I'm thinking of recreating more colored light and rehablitating other areas, and if that's possible or were those orbs just one of a kind and there's no more now

[still kernel]

nature, cat like tendencies to see if we fit in small spaces, nurture, the need to run for wax and play w shard crabs

[waxen ermine]

I dont know if they can be recreated, but I did notice something interesting

You know how when you burn anything, like a candle, darkness, those things from campfires, etc... They will mostly release an orange light?
If they've been underwater, they release blue lights (commonly seen in prairie peaks, or opening clams that were underwater)
Or if they're near darkness, like freeing the crabs from the pot and burning their darkness, or one time in polluted geyser where I burned it, it will release red lights

And it is based on where they were burned/opened, for example the same balls of darkness could release blue and red lights at the same time (in polluted geyser)

If there's been other colored lights I havent seen them yet

[versed mirage]

I mean the last usage of them was to give a kid little ribbons in his hair.

[zenith holly]

What are your thoughts on Resh's story? How did he and Eden became corrupted? What happened?

[cosmic wing]

Hi just a question sometimes this bell rings is it because someone completed eden ?

[spiral vault]

You actually can, it's a very niche thing

when you die in Eden and you're waiting for people to die, you actually become a spirit orb for a short while

so maybe Hopeful Steward's like that

[spiral vault]

This is probably the plot of the Two Embers

Although the big question is the timing

It's possible that they lived at the same time

[spiral vault]

Such as?? Should we just rain fire on the Golden Wasteland

[spiral vault]

Resh is also known as the Eden Elder: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[spiral vault]

No, I think it's every hour

[devout forum]

Isn't it Alef?

[tribal otter]

Alef is considered to be the younger version of Resh. While Alef is called the Prince, Resh is called the King.

[devout forum]

are they both dead?

[spiral vault]

yes, "no longer around to be saved", which basically means dead

[blissful palm]

well if only 6 orbs are enough to clear out a large area we could definitely rehab gw, or at least the land. The sea of slouching soldier's alcohol dark water may be too much without partioning. The dark cratures are definitely destructible too

[tribal otter]

The hugging Winged Light have masks; never noticed that before

[spiral vault]

Only these ones, right?

[soft timber]

The fact that you are behind them makes these images more memorable, but ye it seems like these are the only ones so far with masks

[tribal otter]

Ye these are the only ones

[rain frost]

I knew that but initially disregarded it since it's just an orb and not a full spirit-person like Hope, but yknow now that u mention it, that could support the previously mentioned ideas of Hope willingly staying a spirit to help revive their village when the time comes - they too are waiting for someone, just like a dead skykid in eden waits for their friends

[versed mirage]

No it rings based on time.

[dreamy juniper]

When they changed the underwater lights to blue they said it was for aesthetic purposes iirc

[waxen ermine]

Awww.. I thought it was changing to match the colored lights, that’s a shame…

Based on these in game things

[cobalt palm]

No reason for it not to be, if light touches purified water it may turn blue, though that isn't necessarily the same as "blue light" from enchantment, or the blue light in the water trial in prophecy

[spiral vault]

i think the last two are connected

dark blue means water, while the light blue might represent abscence of light or something? after all, in the elder cutscenes, their eyes go from light blue to yellow

[boreal hare]

just popped in to say that light blue in the colored lights means ice while but on the point that void made, the elders were corrupt in somr way by darkstone and when darkstone is lit and corrupts the light it also turns blue so yea

[versed mirage]

When did the elders get corrupted? The Eden shard memories show all of them getting killed.

[twin halo]

I don't think they got corrupted
some old lore hints said something along the lines of "the Elders are trapped in a place beyond space and time" which would be the pocket you find them in when meditating at the temples

so I think they did kinda die
they got trapped in these timeless spaces after the shattering I believe

there are hints to a corrupted Tsadi (wasteland elder) thing but they mostly belong to old concepts and to a beta version of the Aurora concert so I believe they were scrapped

[versed mirage]

Not sure we can rely on scrapped content for lore…

[twin halo]

yeah, that's why I don't believe they're canon anymore

[waxen ermine]

I went on an Eden photography trip to see if I could spot anything new

1. I’m pretty sure the sun shield side did belong to the king… coupled with the wounded soldier having a king emblem while his friend had a sun shield… then…? It wasn’t a battle of nature vs technology, just a civil war
2. I don’t know if we should be so quick to dismiss the concept art King’s ark anymore… when you look, you see the shape of a ship in the second image

Birds’ migration pattern (with help of the krill lighting up the pipe for me)

The birds are legit flying into the pipes
I think the city people took advantage of this and it’s fueling the Eden diamond, likely

We’ve seen the birds migrations in every level
-In Isle, they fly when the elder guides them
-(I can’t remember where in prairie)
-In Forest, you see them flying towards the forest temple
-In citadel you see them flying towards the temple leading to the flight race
-(idk if you see them in golden wasteland)
-(Nor Vault)

It can be assumed this is a long migration pattern from isle to Eden where they were supposed to go to the giant light beam to ascend to orbit
But because of urbanization and light pollution, their migration pattern was probably disturbed (this happens to birds in real life because of urbanization and light pollution) and they were tricked into the pipes

On corrupted crabs
Only now do I realize they have darkness covering their eyes, which are blue

When you place one on a flame without holding it, nothing happens

When you hold a crab over a flame, it changes colors alternating from orange and red as if being cooked, and has yellow eyes
Idk if this heals them

The statues that disintegrate have eyes, and when you go check the spots they were disintegrated at, all you see is legs left behind

Also due to a glitch, the red shards turned into candle wax (someone said this has been happening since season of shattering so it’s probably a consequence of that)
You think it could ever be possibly canon? That red shards can be turned into candle wax and Eden heals?
And a surprise photobomb from a player dashing through

[twin halo]

ohhh this is extremely interesting
I hadn't noticed

[waxen ermine]

#screenshots-and-videos message

Saw a screenshot from another player, it does look like an ark/boat is under the castle

[leaden onyx]

Hello lore chat, I was wondering if there’s a reason for this rock in hidden forest, by the bonfire? Or it just there just cuz

[plucky elm]

Its marking every 15 minutes if i remember correctly

[hybrid lintel]

Huh interesting. Also does anyone else feel like the hide and seek cave keeps changing? It looks like it keeps getting bigger, like it’s gonna be used or something

[storm sapphire]

Not really lore related imo, it's showing the time on a clock like a timer almost and it spawns a rainbow from it at <t:1717848038:t> and <t:1717891238:t> everyday. (Timestamps are listed in your timezone)

[strange flare]

Hi hello, can anyone recommend me a good lore video to binge on?

pings on when replying please ^^

[delicate plinth]

Popping in to say something, though idk if its worth anything, but its interesting how our skykids are fine with swimming but for some reason the forest rain damages us (I suppose the reason can be as silly as we as humans are irl where we complain about natural rain but enjoy showers and pools) however we can see spirits when alive could live comfortably in forest, not affected by the rain as we are, their spirit can take damage when in exposed rain and the game mechanic just so happens to place the spirit tasks under ledges to avoid it draining but we do see the spirit memories portray them wandering or playing around in the rain as if it's not a thing they need to avoid like we do

And though it's debatable to say the gameplay mechanic showing the spirits taking cover under ledges or such, I think is more for gameplay mechanic than actual lore reasons because if the spirits whilst alive were damage affected by the forest rain as we were, I don't think there would be parents letting their kids play around in deadly rain, or we see many jobs take place such as miners in the forest, and ideally there would be more man built structures in forest to take cover under

[strange flare]

I like to think it is the pollution
The Hidden Forest temple has this fancy technology that uses these kind of crystals (More can be found in Vault of Knowledge)
Some theorized that these crystals are manufactured in the Golden Wasteland where there are large factories, the giant pipes and all that you see

The darkness plants in Daylight prairie are scarce, more appears in the Hidden Forest

[waxen ermine]

It does have strange rain, it rained in prairie peaks for days of bloom and it didn’t hurt at all, and lightning fully recharges players instantly
(Likely forest rain has become tainted into acid rain)

[spiral vault]

I think the rain was fine at first, but it became polluted over time

Also, it's like real life, where the parents and children don't know about the effects of pollution

[cobalt palm]

A thought on the manta we meet in Prairie, and follow through to Wasteland, I wonder if the elders how we see adults at each life stage, that manta is how we see our friends

Prairie / youth: our friends are young and eager as we are
Forest / teens: excited to join us through the gates, get tangled in darkness, but we are there to free us
Valley / adulthood: joins with other friends and boosts us through the challenges
Wasteland / aging: when you get old and friends start to leave for one reason or another
Vault / elderly: the memories of our friends stay with us, even if they aren't around

[lyric imp]

Neat. The whole squad changed since the last time i've been here

[wicked flax]

how come in any other realm when you lose your light your skykid turns completely black, but in wasteland you just go grey? is this just a glitch or is there a lore reason

[cobalt palm]

I have a feeling that is more to do with lighting, but I may be wrong

[spiral vault]

what squad

[dull fiber]

every hour it rings as reference to in real life churches and their bells

[kind stirrup]

Could someone summarize all the sky lore for me here or in dms :3 im really interested in it but im super lost right now

I wanna start making up theories n stuff but i can’t if idk the lore LOL (also i want to do my sky ocs backstories heh)

[jovial nacelle]

Thing is, the lore is very vague, so feel free to make it up as you go! But do know it revolves around mainly Eden, elders, the origin of sky kids and light and dark

[kind stirrup]

no yeah i know it’s been mentioned that it’s very open ended for the players but I’d like to hear some of the most popular theories that r fanon:3

[dull fiber]

throne of every elder?

[cold sparrow]

that's a broken version of the shrine in the top of the vault

[dull fiber]

but still, is it their chairs?

[cold sparrow]

it looks more like grave markers to me, but either could work

[inland cliff]

I think the connection between nesting guide and Forest prophecy is related to the sunny forest

Basically imo, the sunny forest at the end of forest is sort-of a sacred place? Maybe it contains rare types of wood and the reason to build the concrete doors is to protect it? Nesting guide is supposed to be a wood worker and I believe they helped Forest elder to retain that specific part of the forest to keep harvesting that type of wood since the woods in the workplace are either not as rare, corrupted, or is running low

[scarlet estuary]

thats a nice thought

[dreamy frost]

Can someone give me a nice summary of all the theories that we have on lore? I'm super new on all of this, but the little things I read are so wholesome I wanna become a hardcore fan hahah

[upbeat notch]

Depents of what exactly you wanna know cause if you want to have ALL the lore...well its gonna take ya a while: https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Amity206/Sky_Lore_Theories

[spiral vault]

The other link uses too much concept art, which isn't a good starting off point, I recommend this document:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit#heading=h.cmfnuox3fw3h

There's also lore videos I can dm you

[north niche]

get crystallized to death > hug the guy > something turns off the calamity that's been destroying the world for centuries and you go to orbit

any takes on why? is that a cause & effect thing or does it just seem like it

I realize it doesn't stop the eden mechanic forever, like you can just go back and get pelted with rock rain right away. but it seems like clear weather in the little cinematic when you emerge and fly to orbit, and it also occurs to me that it doesn't go away just as a game mechanic, like going through a dungeon repeatedly in a typical mmorpg

[spiral vault]

I don't think it's destroyed, I think we're flying high above the PNR diamond

[north niche]

I'll record the moment I'm referring to next time I go through. I mean the moment your character pops out of an ash statue as pure light and zooms up with a couple others. I don't think there's any rock rain in that little cinematic.

I got the impression the rock rain was inhibiting all creatures from being able to ascend to orbit, and that's what's being telegraphed with you "dying" in Eden by becoming one of the statues, then escaping the statue as light.

[cobalt palm]

Just going to share this brilliant article about the music of Sky, motifs, and how Prophecies Trials is the only piece of music which incorporate both motifs, more so how it affects how we view the void and the king/prince
https://www.tumblr.com/lelanida/749918328355717120
Thanks to hatter for pointing it out to me

[pastel brook]

[spiral vault]

Sky music my beloved

[waxen ermine]

Pretty good! I did notice the flight song pretty much everywhere in the game, during triumphant moments (mostly when flying) and as motifs for some areas (e,g during the fireworks party)

Also noticed the Eden motif plays during shard events and when entering the shattering void

And nesting workshop and village of dreams have the same motif for some reason

[spiral vault]

Fireworks festival, nesting workshop, aviary shops, and village of dreams are the same motif

My guess is the Dreams Guide's influence and both of them being aspirational communities

[waxen ermine]

Ahh I was misremembering the fireworks having the flight theme then

Also I find it funny that in the concept timeline, the king asks the wasteland ancestor to build the boat and not… you know, the forest elder who has a building mentee (and is probably themed around crafting)

King: We need to build a ship that will get us to Eden. Wasteland elder, I command you to do it
Wasteland elder: What?! But I- but I’m a- (gestures to Forest elder, then whispers to them)
He does know I’m the warrior one, right? You’re the crafting one!
Forest elder: don’t question it

[spiral vault]

They have all of them

[waxen ermine]

Also in the timeline, isle elder retired because there was no more souls to guide, it’s funnier to think an elder can just quit on the job
I wonder if he chilled out with the other ancestors

[spiral vault]

Well, they still did stuff, such as trying to stop the eden diamond

[waxen ermine]

True

According to the lore timeline, the prince appointed the elders himself, I guess that makes sense, we do see them appear only after he gets the elements in the murals

But that also means they all listened to a kid

[bold geode]

Do crabs have gems for eyes

[glacial yoke]

I'm really looking forward to another season that develops the lore in some way like shattering did. There's so many mysteries like it would be amazing if our death and rebirth cycle actually fueled some kind of regeneration process for the darkened realms (ie forest, wasteland and eden) in some way.

[sullen gyro]

r volley eld gay... n r elders gay/genq/genq/genq/genq/genq/genq/genq/genq/genq

[cobalt palm]

I love all the different takes on the dreams theme, from chilled in the Aviary shops, to elevator music in nesting workshop, to festival style in the fireworks intro

[spiral vault]

Well, I don't think so, the elders probably existed long before

[spiral vault]

How am I supposed to even approach this question???

[blissful palm]

go back to pixiv

[spiral vault]

Ok, let's work backwards.

Everyone in Sky is genderless, especially the Elders.

Genderless people can still be gay, but in a world without gender, it would practically mean the same thing as being straight

Sexuality would have a totally different meaning (I doubt it would even exist??) and the Valley Elders have no confirmed relationships with anyone in the Sky universe

[sullen gyro]

no sthutup

[glacial yoke]

Well they may be genderless but they are probably not sexless. At least based on the trailer for the embers film there seem to be parents and children so if we assume that families in Sky roughly mirror the real world there are certainly mothers and fathers. If that's taken to be true then certainly a male character can be in a relationship with another male character. If we are talking about attraction and sexuality then that's a whole other conversation since we don't know how sky people procreate or where the 'children' come from. It could very well be that children are just created from the energy and light of the connection between two souls if that makes sense

[spiral vault]

I'm not going to delve into the "anatomy" of spirits, but sky has a unique family structure that's probably different from the real world

Also, if spirits are anything like skykids, they probably just appear from the stars

I think there's a mural that says all are born from starlight

[strange flare]

I recall some spirits appear to be a sky kid at some point
Grandma also has wings with 1 visible winged light (uncharged), while some other spirits dont really have it at all
Days of nature NPC seems to also have it tho

[blissful palm]

the capes used to have no wedge, so I'd not pay attention to them, just insignificant changes

[spiral vault]

Apparently the cape wedges are a bug

[leaden onyx]

Just here to say I’ve just witnessed the new aviary start from a moth’s perspective and it’s so cool (I started playing 3 years ago) my boyfriend downloaded sky

The moth has full star wedges and then the cape goes poof

[spiral vault]

there's lots of little lore changes

[soft timber]

This is like seeing your sweet little pet grow up to be this godsend of a legend

[leaden onyx]

Indeed there is!

I just spent the last one hour reading the lore blog on wiki WHEW

[noble ferry]

indeed it is a bit sad i dont see any of the former lore discussion regulars here last time i used to lurk in this chat since many months ago 😔

although the ridiclous cooldown despite lorechat being deader than before might contribute to that

Might be because so many avenues of discussion of sky lore have been exausted so much
Just my two cents though and apologies if i sound like im rambling here

What to discuss....
Maybe what kind of other potential dark creatures could be out there?

I haven't really seen the eel from days of bloom sadly cuz i was on a slight hiatus from sky at that time, would be nice if anyone could provide pics maybe

i dont think we have lobsters in sky yet
barnacles in sky? maybe kinda like clams where you can pick them up for wax

Hmmm what other species could be in sky....
a rat?
i'd like a pet rat in sky, that'd be funny

Isopods in sky.
It's a match made in orbit frrrr

[long vortex]

Your ideas would be pretty cool in another underwater themed season!

[noble ferry]

Maybe i should sketch up little light isopods!
I'd imagine millipede in sky would probably be neutral creatures that scavenge for remains
Centipedes are definitely dark creatures though and i'd be terrified seeing one

Oh no my apple pencil is 0%

[long vortex]

Oh these are really great concept ideas.. do you mind if I use a few to draw?

[noble ferry]

Sure sure! Feel free

Another idea for sea creatures in sky, nudibranchs aka seaslugs
Probably light creatures underwater that emit wax
Nudibranchs are so cute

like these fellas!

Do we even have cephalopods in sky?
I'd love maybe a dark squid that will snatch any skykid up in the vicinity like the dark worm in days of nature
Maybe a cuttlefish??

leeches could passively suck out skykid light
leafy sea dragons could simply just float about near seaweed

[long vortex]

[noble ferry]

man i could actually add these creature ideas to my sky au to make things livelier

[long vortex]

Oo au? I am interested if you wish to share! (I do need to sleep now so I may not reply for awhile)

[waxen ermine]

Speaking of creatures, what if the crabs are actually hermit crabs?

In game their bodies look weird, as if there’s two bodies, one with legs and a rock on top
And in the Embers trailer there are bell crabs (maybe there’s a body underneath that’s wearing armor on top?)

[waxen ermine]

Look at this guy, notice how his body seems to be in two parts

[noble ferry]

It's an au that features several changes such as dark skykids existing (even krillkids), stuff about the eden elder, a guild of darkness hunting skykids, a special council of skykids that pretty much run the kingdom in proxy of their associated elder (with the exception of two members that have their own important duties such as maintenance and upholding the safety of the general public), a couple of skykid subspecies such as Novae (skykids with abnormally potent light but require stable bodies to live), Blue-Flamed (skykids born when they landed underwater but their flame managed to persist despite the water. they have blue flames and can survive underwater for way longer periods of time), children of stars (special skykids that have power from the megabird itself, the eden elder is one in the au, they're also all siblings), and elder skykids (special skykids of the council that have binded their souls to their respective elder and pretty much act as their proxy since elders cannot really interact outside of their space as of the moment). Some skykids can also be born with traits such as fox tails or dove wings (some skykids can be born under a constellation such as vulpecula that helps determine some of their traits. might add some fictional constellations maybe)

There's simply lots and lots of stuff I have written over the years with most stuff in private that at this point that I cannot summarize it all in one message

[noble ferry]

little goober with a helmet!
Maybe

[waxen ermine]

(Just realized this isn’t a new theory, so credit to everyone who said it before)

[long vortex]

This looks incredibly interesting

[noble ferry]

Also yea the eden elder has a proxy elder skykid despite..... circumstances
Resh and Alef are different people and siblings in the au but honestly i changed so many details about those two. Used to be one person and now I made them into siblings!
Resh is the older one and is the king. Alef is the younger one and is a prince.
For the purpose of this au, resh is considered the eden elder and his spirit is trapped within the eden diamond.
The circumstances in how resh gained their elder skykid proxy are not pleasant and was not intentional to the rest of the council.

Resh is sleeping now in the eden diamond in the present era of the au, just SNORK MIMIMIMIMIMIMIIII.

[long vortex]

I also have an au in the works

[noble ferry]

oooooo
Any details?

[long vortex]

We can discuss in dms if you’d like! Or here but I really need to be getting to sleep

[noble ferry]

im fine with rambling in dms!

[twilit mulch]

Do you guys have theories about this phenomenon like they glow when the sky kid’s near but not the fire 🔥?

[waxen ermine]

Probably something that was not programmed

For example if you place a crab on a fire, nothing happens,
But if you hold the crab over the same fire, its colors alternate between red and orange, and eyes glow yellow (as if being cooked)

[twilit mulch]

I see thank you; so the blame is on the dev 😅🤣

[waxen ermine]

Probably, sorry 😅
I don’t blame them, I don’t think they would expect people placing props near the crystals

[versed mirage]

Probably rendering that specific behavior would be a bit taxing

[celest birch]

Thank all that this Shard Memory is of Whales. Closer comparison between Fainting Warrior/Wasteland Elder helmet and the Elder Whale head.

[karmic osprey]

So where is Cinnamonroll in the lore?

[cobalt palm]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

They do seem to be in 2 parts, unless they're wearing glasses, when they're in 3

[waxen ermine]

Love the sunglasses crab
Nice camera shot inside it!

[devout forum]

I don't think there's a lore for it.

[karmic osprey]

So cinamonroll is an anomaly?!? 😮
What are the implications?

[spiral vault]

just a random creature

[blissful palm]

it's just a non-canon collab, it doesn't mean anything at all or imply anything
as always, not everything is meant to be taken as canon, especially collabs

[karmic osprey]

but what if it was intentional and canon? Aurora is canon right?

[spiral vault]

Well, something could be random/irrelavant and still be canon

I think most collabs are basically canon

Cinnamaroll doesn't break the sky lore by existing, they're just a weird looking bird thingy

[karmic osprey]

Like maybe cinamonroll survived the rapture because it has no soul?

[blissful palm]

ah cinna's a dog boy

[karmic osprey]

currently aren't all creatures alive either pure light creatures or dark creatures birthed from shards from eden?

[spiral vault]

not really, there are 'biological' creatures, like the crabs

[karmic osprey]

yeah but aren't krabs and krill dark creatures?

[blissful palm]

there are corrupt crabs(those with dark particles on) and clean crabs
like crabs in the smaller isles around sanctuary are clean and also don't attack you
the crab memıry from shattering implies darkness fell on crabs and corrupted them, or at leats that's how i interpret it

[karmic osprey]

It's possible though that the "clean" crabs could have been corrupted at one point and the corruption decreased over time, versus new, fresh shard crabs from eden shards, meaning that they could technically both be dark creatures still

is there another neutral creature in sky?

[celest birch]

Nevertheless, it´s fun to speculate what those things would be in Sky lore and honestly, if you ask me, Cinnamoroll is what would happen if a Skykid would be reborn as a dog, given that he´s literally a Sky-Dog. 🤭

[karmic osprey]

wait so does that mean cinamonroll went through eden? 😶

with like a light and dark cinamonroll in orbit?

[devout forum]

Only the krills, worm, dark shadow and the king krill are dark creatures as for crabs they're light creatures but infected

[celest birch]

Not as Cinnamoroll.

[karmic osprey]

are you sure that they are light creatures? they do not give us light like other light creatures. As a matter of fact they can take our light

[strange flare]

there's a crab plushie from the Remembrance Guide, right next to the manta
And it happens to be the favorite toy of one of the spirits?
I'd like to think it was a dark creature. But they may have been converted instead

[karmic osprey]

Yeah, crabs could be dark creatures that have much less darkness now due to time

[spiral vault]

Or the other way around, they were light creatures that became more dark

[karmic osprey]

so if all creatures are either light or dark and cinamonroll is neither then that means that cinamonroll must be a child of light

[spiral vault]

i don't know if anyone has evidence of cinamaroll recharging your light

[upbeat notch]

Maby neutral creatures exist?

[karmic osprey]

I don't think so, I have a feeling that any neutral creatures would have perished in the rapture and become spirits

I think all creatures in sky either charge your light or take it away

[upbeat notch]

thing is what I noticed is that the crabs themselves dont take away your light by touch for example simular to how light creatures give light by touch.

But rather the dark creature has to physically attack you to drain your light

So ya Cinamonroll could have been a dark creature by that logic but since he didnt attack us he never drained our light

[karmic osprey]

Hmm, maybe cinamonroll is a dark creature then

If that's true then does that mean that he's hiding his true power? 😶

[upbeat notch]

And when we were close to find it out he left 😔

[karmic osprey]

Imagine if cinamonroll could have taken on all those krill this whole time

[upbeat notch]

Maby thats what hes doing rn, thats why there are only a few Krills left in the Kingdom and those are hiding in the sand 🤔

[upbeat notch]

Tho...wouldnt that mean that not all dark creatures are necessarily evil?

[karmic osprey]

I would say then that this must be the case given events such as days of mischief where krills and krabs are friendly

Maybe the ones we're used to seeing are just meanies

[upbeat notch]

just big bullies thats all 😟

[upbeat notch]

To be fair tho we are kinda just breaking into the crabs home in the desert and just scream at them until they get knocked over 😅

[karmic osprey]

yeah but they attacked first! I swear!

[upbeat notch]

castle doctrine

[jade bloom]

Hey guys! I was wondering if someone here could answer me the meaning of this? Because today I just realized that that poor dead manta is not just tragically lying down there, the whole thing seems staged. I mean, like it was purposely placed there. Ngl, kinda looks like a sacrificial lamb?🤣 So you guys tell me please, Im digging too much into it? ALSO, a friend just made me noticed that it may be NOT a manta, but a BIRD. A sparrow or a shallow, and damn, Im freaking out😭 Help? Any theory?

[lavish rover]

to me it looks like it's just made out of snow that's laying around, like a snowman but in the shape of a bird

[hushed steeple]

What does the Light refer to?

[soft timber]

appears The Light may refer to similar, yet slightly different things. In this context, it means going through the "Rebirth" in Eden and going into Orbit.

[soft timber]

This was originally part of a scrapped quest from Beta, hence why it sometimes appear and sometimes doesn't. This 'snowbird' is most likely a swallow given how it is shaped

[lavish rover]

that's so cool, I didn't know about the beta aspect!! thank you:D

[soft timber]

You're very welcome! It is now considered a little Easter Egg and a leftover from Beta

[hushed steeple]

I know what it is for game progression. But what exactly is that lore wise? Is it the place before we reborn? Is it the name of the Megabird? Or something else? What is that Light?

[cold sparrow]

yes to all the above

Megabird was a name used in concept art, and ingame is now refered to as the entity/force of nature that is the Light
gameplay-wise, 'visiting the Light' means to go to orbit, the place closest to/inside the Light
lore-wise, all creatures of light journey and ascent to join their memories and light with the Light/Megabird, until they are sent back down, sort of mimicing the cycle of water in our world - evaporating into a cloud and raining back into the land

[hushed steeple]

That's good to know. So we're really the descendants of the Light (Megabird) due to the game title -- Children of the Light

[waxen ermine]

Check this out! Once I was attacked by a crab, its small body underneath separated from the rock (the rock bouncing up)

It closed its eyes when going into what I’m calling “defensive mode”, then opened them again upon standing up

[karmic osprey]

that's very honorable that you would let yourself get damaged purely for scientific analysis

[waxen ermine]

It was an accident, I was trying to record a funny thing that shattering crabs get distracted by shared memory honks and I got injured

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/897031582123163678/1250184936279900171/Sky.mov?ex=666a04f4&is=6668b374&hm=5709bd4ad6feb595bc1664c4c157c0535138f021d0c3770dca84d3d50f8e2bba&

^ video of crabs chasing after a hologram

I don’t think it’s lore related, just developer oversight (like how shared memory deep honks used to instantly heal players, it was patched out sadly)

But they didn’t patch it so that the crabs don’t follow the memory deep honks

[karmic osprey]

you could claim that it was intentional for research studies

[waxen ermine]

I expected the video to show up but since it didn’t, here’s a link to screenshots with the same video

#screenshots-and-videos message

It was very helpful, especially since the server didn’t merge and I was stuck trying to burn the plants alone (which has happened an awful lot lately, is that a glitch?)

It is really funny imagining that the shattering crabs get so angry and offended at deep honks that they’ll chase even holograms

[hallow pilot]

there's a moon in sky world

[copper fjord]

this probably keeps getting asked but are the elders related to each other? do they even interact with each other? and in what way?

I'm currently writing lore for my skykid and I'm already having issues with connecting them to valley of triumph and hidden forest 😭

[blissful palm]

they oversaaw parts of the kingdom ofc they had to interact with one another, forest needs light sources to make pwer diamonds for example and they import some from prairie, all data projectors at vault require diamonds so vault takes them from forest etc. They mya or may not be blood related, valley elders are twins
Or just go wild with your own canon

[gentle bone]

guys what the flip is this little thing
i know it looks like a clock and says probably 5 am or pm but idk what its purpose is

[cinder compass]

i found it some days ago and i have no idea

[blissful palm]

Just a clock for the rainbow that appears there
Here's a clock app for tracking by chris stead https://sky-clock.netlify.app/

[cinder compass]

ohhh i see thanks!

[gentle bone]

oh shoot thats pretty cool actually

[cinder compass]

so when it's o'clock the rainbow shows up i guess!

[blissful palm]

5 am and 5 pm pacific time, stays for 30 mins

[karmic osprey]

wait there's a rainbow there?

[spiral vault]

They're like, parts of the same group

They interact twice in the main story: once in the final elder memory, right before the collapse of the kingdom, where they all worked together to stop eden from collapsing

and once in the present, where all of them bow to you in the Vault elder cutscene

[vernal plinth]

Yeah there is. Rainbow appeared yesterday 😊

[strange flare]

From the looks of it though

spirit doesn't look so dead either

yes they could appear and disappear

but at the same time they could still work on things (?)

in the cutscene the forest elder could still create things (?)

Also related to seasonal spirit (season of nesting) are basically opening a shop
furniture shop, someone gotta be making those stuff right?
(random 4am thought)

I think "dead" would be the state of like

losing all light, when they become statues(?)

[spiral vault]

I think they're more dead than alive

I theorize that skykids basically do all the "construction" work in the kingdom, like rebuilding the Treehouse and setting up areas for events

Spirits are ghosts, they can't really interact with the world

And the Elders are in a "place beyond space and time", they're not really present in the cutscenes

[blissful palm]

spirits definitely can interact with the world like enchantment group terraforming forgotten ark where we only grabbed the balls for them, tho we did sort of rebuilt the treehouse like you said
and nesting guide using telekinesis to place furniture in the first quest

[spiral vault]

I suppose they can use magic, but not physical stuff

[strange flare]

I'm curious about the Moments Guide in this case

and if I recall also the Performance Guide?

The spirit related to the season sort of do things

[spiral vault]

I don't remember what they did

[twilit mulch]

Once upon a time, in an ordinary day at Geyser, there were two 🐚 shell radios sitting on the ground. One was an old, classic AM radio named Rusty. The other was a sleek, modern FM radio named Flash. Rusty took pride in his long history of delivering news and music, while Flash was confident in his crystal-clear sound and trendy channels.

One day, they decided to have a friendly competition to see who could entertain their owner the best. Rusty boasted about his timeless charm and how he had been a reliable companion for decades. He played some golden oldies and classic talk shows, which brought a nostalgic smile to the owner’s face.

Not to be outdone, Flash switched to a popular music station, blasting the latest hits with perfect clarity. The owner started tapping their feet to the rhythm, clearly enjoying the modern vibe.

As the day went on, Rusty and Flash realized that they each had their own strengths. Rusty was great for moments of reflection and comfort, while Flash was perfect for energizing and keeping up with current trends. They both brought something special to the table, making their owner’s days brighter in different ways.

In the end, the competition turned into a celebration of their unique qualities. Rusty and Flash understood that they didn’t need to outdo each other but could instead complement each other, providing a richer listening experience together.

Happy ending 😅
Just my imagination 💭

[strange flare]

performance in the village theater I think?
The only actions I remember are like pulling down levers and instruments?

While Moments guide somewhat implies that you can technically move around spirits? And that they can also move around on their own (I think only seasonal spirits? world spirit appears in aviary village (?))

[jolly gate]

I don't think they're related? Not by blood anyway, exept for Sah + Mekh ((the Valley Elders)) because they're twins /positive
They all come from the same source but they're not related :)))/positive

[fluid oxide]

corrupted creatures

[copper fjord]

I LOVE THEM BOTH <3

but still i wonder what their relationship with each other is.. like are they friends with each other? and is there any instances other than the final elder memory and the vault

cause the final elder memory does reveal that they infact, can and do help each other

[jolly gate]

Tbh I think that's a bit open-ended
For me and my friend's lore we've got goin on there's a lot of familial bonds goin, but honestly I think u can just make it up as u go with the info u have!/positive
Whether or not they're just colleagues or friends or family is up to how u interpret it tbh/positive

[copper fjord]

Thats interesting :]

In my lore Valley of triumph is raising my skykid but i asked that question cause my skykid hangs out in hidden forest and particularly got attached to wind paths like their my skykids second family

and i wonder how it goes when the valley and hidden forest interacts since i always imagined them all to be friends with each other

[jolly gate]

Again I think just do whatever u think fits in your lore in ur head since solid Sky lore is pretty sparse, if that means the Valley and Forest Elders are friends then go for it!/positive

[leaden field]

Imo valley and hidden forest would be on good terms because both have heavy use of darkstone 👍

[waxen ermine]

And vault

[copper fjord]

Oooo now i didn't know that, i should rlly stop skipping cutscenes as much

they're way more related than i thought, i thought that my skykid just loves hidden forest without any reason other than it's cool

[rain frost]

Any thoughts on why the Hopeful Steward looks so timid here? They don't normally look like that I think
I guess maybe they're just nervous at parties

[copper fjord]

Aww as a person who's also scared in crowded places and parties this is adorable

i love when the ancients / spirits have unique personalities and quirks

[solid cave]

i also awwed when i saw the steward come in with his bashful self :3 they still had a great time!

i wonder, has anybody thought about why the sky kids' cores are blue instead of normal fire colour? i'm not sure myself but i like that it's a bit more magical

[solid cave]

i just realized, these crabs aren't hostile! they haven't been corrupted by the darkness :> i was confused before that they had hearts over their head and still turned them over lol, now i feel bad kinda

[copper fjord]

I don't know myself? i imagine it as being ""regular / non ascended"" since regular spirits are usually blue, and when you use ascended candles on them they become yellow like actual fire

[solid cave]

oooh, do you think sky kids could become ascended too?

[copper fjord]

or perhaps in a non lore way it's just to contrast with the rest of the environments like how candles are red / add to the fantasy of sky

[copper fjord]

I mean i think so via eden 😭 iirc we do emit a yellowish golden glow when we infact ""ascend"" / sacrifice ourselves in orbit

[solid cave]

we do? oh- i missed that detail oops, everything just looked white to me

[copper fjord]

the glow ig is a very light yellowish so most people mistook it for white dw

the glow of the skykids is very very light yellow unlike the stars around them

[solid cave]

ooh that's really close, even with my sunglasses off [my glasses broke]

[copper fjord]

omg glasses user yooo

but yeah i imagine their core is blue cause that means non ascended though idk if thats the case

unrelated but i wish there was a channel for skykid lore and au lore cause Honestly I'm just realizing how fun it is to actually study the game instead of goofing around with friends and donating literally everything to spirits and ancients

[rain frost]

On a similar note, has anyone else noticed the subtle blue glow when we flap our wing? Could that have a similar meaning? Or an allusion to blue's association with darkness since we give up some light to flap our wings which makes us more vulnerable to being extinguished

[devout forum]

lmao

[solid cave]

when you say skykid lore do you mean how they came to be? and the au lore- there's alternate universes in canon? or is that not how that works

[copper fjord]

Yeah and their relationship with the other spirits and elders

idk i feel like this channel is more for the actual game and not our ocs 😭

and au lore is yeah alternate universes

[solid cave]

i think it'd be cool to think about what sky kids have community ties with which spirits :D idk if this channel is for that either but i don't think it'd hurt to try chatting about it

[solid cave]

i didn't really notice the blue tinge until now, i think it's simply the sky clinging to our wings, but that sacrificing light explanation is also nice and sound imo

[copper fjord]

I want to send an oc wall of text but idk if this is for ocs too

[mint pike]

Hello! I want everyone's support! I'll be making a story where it is Related to Sky Children Of The Light, Regarding it's theories and it's seasons, I'll be posting it on Wattpad! I'll publish it at the end of July! I do hope you all can support me<3

Please follow me on Wattpad! https://www.wattpad.com/user/DeanEsraLuxeous?

This Story will have some different approach though! It'll start of where everything begins and how it becomes the sky it is now! I have been having many connections and thoughts about this theory!

[copper fjord]

Ooh i don't have wattpad but I'll check it out later :3

Anyways I'm interested in hearing yalls ocs relationship with the spirits and elders please drop skykid oc lore

[mint pike]

Don't worry no Rush at all! I'm making minor changes on how to deliver the story so it might take a while for me to publish it as well:>

She's the MC:>

[copper fjord]

OOH SHES VV PRETTY YOU'RE RLLY GOOD AT ART!! :3

[molten dust]

????? WHAT IS WRONG W THIS FILTER. HOLD ON.
Do you mind posting it on archive of our own as well? 👉👈

I’m so sorry for the ghost pings filter kept tagging me for saying knock twice ? I think? Lemme check

[mint pike]

Thank you!>< But it's not clearly my own hand in drawn it's my wife's art I'm the one holding the ideas of the characters and sceneries and the writing!

[copper fjord]

ALSO UNRELATED BUT DUE TO FANART I HAVE A NEW HEADCANNON

Nesting Guide is raising hopeful steward and is in a sibling / parent and kid relationship? idk

Honestly i love Nesting Guide so much they're literally one of the Few Guides (Also the Season of Dreams, Theatre and Flight Guides) i genuinely love and cherish and will do anything for

[copper fjord]

Man you both make such a good duo i can't wait 🫶🫶🫶

[mint pike]

I wish i can tell you all my theory:< But it'll be performed as a story in Wattpad
My Theory is about the Beginning of Sky Being Light As the MC she's a woman irl but after exploring and finding a portal to sky Her Gender Is Fluid, Since Cutting Hair Is Not Really A bright idea in sky Her hair began to be long. This story also describes the Pure places of Eden and other realms, also connecting with the Prince and King Of Eden The Ruler and Heir

And the second theory is how the Disaster began in sky, and how the monsters krills and any dark creatures were created

And I'll also Make the Life Theory Of The Prince Of Eden too!

[copper fjord]

Omggg i believe that the mc is usually genderless in sky but this is good I'm still interested ♡♡♡ keep going!!!

[mint pike]

YES THAT'S WHAT I MEAN BY GENDERFLUID SHE GENDERLESS HAHAHA SORRY😭

[copper fjord]

Oooh I SEE I SEE I GOT CONFUSED

my skykid oc is Genderfluid and uses any pronouns however i mostly refer to them as they however sometimes say she or he accidentally LMA

Man i love hearing other peoples theories and i love infodumping my oc here

feels so nicee :3

[molten dust]

Alright! We are back from a little getting , filter flagged something random. Anyhoo. Are you planning on posting this fanfic on ao3 as well? I don’t use Wattpad anymore, but I’d still love love love to read it!

[mint pike]

If there's any platform i can post on! Then suggest me some! I'd really love to share my story/theory !

[molten dust]

if/when you post it. Please cross post to ao3. Trust me the sky:cotl community is starving over here

[mint pike]

Is that an App?

[jovial roost]

same energy (it kinda has same shape imo, especially when you see on the pillow the same square than on the golden thing)

[spiral vault]

This is in lots of seasonal quests, I think the first one is Little Prince

If they're like ghosts, than it makes sense that they can move around in the world.

[spiral vault]

Angst

[spiral vault]

This is the channel for it

[copper fjord]

YAYYY :D
ANYWAYS TEXT WALL INCOMING :33

My skykids relationship with like every realm (spirits and elders)

Isle of Dawn - I imagine that Aciano would love Isle of dawn in like a best pals way, like Aciano sees them as friends and even gets reminded of his own family, they even enjoy the trials and season of passage, and they would feel connected with the spirits and elders in a friendship way

Daylight Prairie - Don't ask me why but Aciano has mixed opinions on it despite it being peaceful, and it definitely came from days lf nature where the water was filled to the brim with trash, darkness and literally has a krill, Aciano would like this realm better if the spirits, elders and everything else didn't seem intimidating to them

Hidden Forest - Literally Aciano's 2nd home, Wind paths is like their 2nd family because Wind paths loves to babysit and raise them when Valley of Triumph has smth going on (like a concert / event) and everyone is too busy, + Wind paths knows the entirety of Aciano down to their secrets and completely understands and accepts them

enough about wind paths, Aciano is best friends with the treehouse kids, and hangs out with them and impresses them with their piano / kalimba skills, they def want to start a band with them someday

And hidden forest grandma is like a second grandma to Aciano, sometimes they would feed aciano when nobody can

Valley of Triumph - Aciano has unending love for their family here!! however they're not sure if they love them back the same, unlike hidden forest Aciano hasn't told them anything about them cause they're scared that they'll hate them ||Lore is too dark||, however Aciano still bonds with them since they're literally family

Golden wasteland - Man, aciano wants to help them and fend them off the darkness and krill issue, however, it reminds them too much of their trauma, but is starting with slow steps, and already is friends with treasure reef and forgotten ark (who sometimes tests spells on aciano)

(Continuation due to text limit)

Vault of Knowledge - Somehow this area Scares aciano more than golden wasteland, something from the books to the ""peculiar"" way the spirits look and act sends shivers down their spine, however they're best buddies with the 9 colored deer and little prince!! (who actively tells you that the vault elder and spirits wont krill his head off)(despite that he doesn't believe it LMA)

We do NOT talk their relationship with eden.

ik i spammed this image multiple times but i love so ye

Honestly interested in hearing yalls skykid relationships with spirits and elders again since I'm bored and interested

[versed mirage]

Wouldn’t that fall more under promote your content?

[long vortex]

I’m not sure

But I see some people putting their lore for their characters here so I think that this is the right place

[dire night]

No i don't think so sorry. Try the fanart maybe

[long vortex]

Alright I got it.

[dire night]

What is this might i ask? Im confused

[signal spire]

does anyone have that image of skys timeline?

[spiral vault]

tbh, I don't like it that much

[hollow grove]

@slender granite

[slender granite]

Wow thats really fascinating

[hollow grove]

I think sky creator inspired from City of sefar Algeria

[slender granite]

The lines of the first one kinda seems similar to Sky yeah probably inspiration

[hollow grove]

Tombs (pyramids) of Algeria

[slender granite]

It is weird that they have the columns outside unlike Egypt interesting

[hollow grove]

It's a amazigh touch in the architecture of the pyramids

[slender granite]

Agreed totally different kind

[hollow grove]

Tifinagh right next to a drawing

[slender granite]

Oh wow it is pretty an old language alphabet and the animal painting so similar to Sky

[spiral vault]

Similar to what you see in the archives in vault

[opaque coyote]

that's so cool, do you have an idea of what the inscriptions on the stone mean? (not the drawing the language 😭)

[hollow grove]

ⵔⵜⴻⵡⵙⵈⵜⴾ

[hollow grove]

It's tamazight but I don't read tifinagh

[molten dust]

ssssort of? if you don't have an ao3 account, you should get one asap, as they iirc manually add pepole. so worth it tho dw. ao3 is like wattpad but better in that it's sorted by tags, and can actually be customised. it has html and css coding. it's awesome.

[storm sigil]

Where do you guys find sky lore

[spiral vault]

Here's a document I found that's good for it

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit#heading=h.cmfnuox3fw3h

[soft timber]

Hello to you too

[spice sun]

I noticed this when I was reliving the Slouching Soldier with my brother
So the Slouching Solider is seen not being able to keep up with his friends/companions (Saluting Captain, Backflipping Champion, Fainting Warrior) and then a parental spirit with two scared kids.
But one thing I noticed interesting was that this parental sprit had a lock of hair with blue clip. Who else has this hairstyle? The Praying Acolyte.
Now an acolyte is someone who helps in a group, usually by doing minor duties. But it can also be used to describe a follower.
It’s possible that the Praying Acolyte could have joined following the Vault Elder after the Slouching Solider, or they were already helping the Vault Elder and just committed to that when the Slouching Soldier started drinking the dark water.

[spice sun]

Here’s some more things I want to note of

• one of the children the Praying Acolyte are looking after also has a very familiar hairstyle. That’s because I think it’s the Confident Sightseer when they were young! Now, I don’t think the other child is the same one in the Sightseer’s memories, but it was interesting to me. When we relive the Sightseer, they’re obviously a lot more grown up and, well, confident. so we get to see a bit of their story: their parents (at least, parental figures) were the Praying Acolyte and the Slouching Soldier, but then the latter became distant because of their dark water drinking. Sometime later, the Sightseer is grown up and helping another child- whether it’s their sibling or just a child they chose to help, we’re not sure.
• at the start of the Slouching Soldier’s memory we see the three other spirits who could be his companions. It’s possible they were in the same army. While the Backflipping Champion and the Saluting Captain are talking to each other, the Fainting Warrior’s attention is drawn to the Slouching Soldier. While yes, the Soldieris stumbling, he’s not actually reaching for the group; rather it’s the candles that have his attention. Spirits and Sky kids alike use candles as currency, so it’s possible the soldier reaching for the candles symbolizes him reaching for wealth. This is further supported when the soldier is later seen reaching for the star lanterns, which the Star Collector was using to get rich as per his plan.

[edgy kernel]

unfortunately i dont have a clip of it since my clip recorder doesnt work on sky anymore, but i saw this light fall out of the sky near the eden door and then disappear after a bit. do any of yall know what it is?

[celest birch]

Since I've seen that flash of light happen when Skykids teleport home or into realms, I think that it's probably a Skykid's teleport-light. Of course, this particular one is defo bugged.

[waxen ermine]

What if the lady and the two kids are his family?
(It’s a very common trope to have a father soldier come back from war traumatized and distant from their family, drinking and stuff)

And it has been confirmed in lore that spirits have parents (TGC said teabrewer was taught by their parents)

[spice sun]

It probably might’ve been.
We don’t know what war they may have fought in- maybe it was the war with season of remembrance/a previous one?

[waxen ermine]

Found this from the wiki

Once again, the Soldier flounders towards a scene at the top of the largest hill. At the top, a parental Spirit stands with two scared Spirit children, one in each arm. The Soldier carries another jar.

So not only that might have been his family, but the kids were scared of him from his drinking habits

[spice sun]

…
Though this also raises the question: how does he obtain this dark water in the first place? it doesn’t seem like the spirits would just be selling this openly. My thoughts go to the polluted water we see in GW, but that stuff is… not good, to say the least. They’re dumping that stuff out; why would they try consuming it?
However, we do see them in jars… so maybe he stores them for himself to use

[waxen ermine]

Yeah, it definitely seems unhealthy…
Dark water matches oil spills in real life, where it leaves a rainbow trail (when a Sky kid walks in it)
Water can be very easily tainted, in the season of the little deer, the merchant pours something out of a jar and it makes the whole lake dark water

To match the Little Prince’s drunkard, I don’t think they had alcohol so they used dark water

I went back and watched the slouching soldier’s memories

-He’s running towards the other warriors, who seem to be in discussion about him. (One of them is looking at him). Maybe they’re displeased with his behavior?
-He drinks to cope… a lot
-He runs towards those star lamps that the businessman spirit had. Maybe he made bad choices with his money
-He drinks more
-He returns to his family, who look scared of him. This drinking has gotten out of hand
-He drinks more

Might be the aurora war now that I think about it

[spice sun]

Mmhm
The saluting Captain and fainting warrior both have a diamond on their armor, so they fought in favor of the dark stone technology
…come to think of it, do we ever see spirits with the sun symbol?

Wait we do… with the wounded warrior.
But that’s all I can remember.

[waxen ermine]

That’s the king symbol actually, and his friend has a sun shield

Which makes me realize we’ve had a misconception all along

The sun side is the king’s side

Proof:
-Wounded warrior has the king symbol, his friend has the sun shield
-We see sun shields facing outwards from golden wasteland, meaning they’re protecting Eden
-We find sun shields on display in Eden (if you’ve ever been in castles, they will display their shields and weapons on walls)

[spice sun]

Oh…!
So there’s the king side/sun side, but what about the diamonds? I always thought the diamonds represented those who supported darkstone since the diamonds were the shape dark stone was used to power machinery

[leaden onyx]

[waxen ermine]

I dunno.. it’s pretty tough
All I could find is that they face towards Eden (from wasteland), meaning attacking them

[long vortex]

Maybe the shield symbols could mean what they think of the kings rule? The sun symbol means that they believe the king is doing good and is not harming the world for no reason. Then the dark stone shield means that they believe the king should be stopped and is harming the world with dark stone. The symbols could also represent the opinions of what people think the Eden crystal is. The sun side believes it’s a symbol of life and will protect them all, but the dark stone side believes that it’s a dark stone that’s taking all the light/ will take all the light from everyone because of how unstable it’s getting. This is just my thought process for this but think whatever you guys want

[spice sun]

Oooh, that’s also a good theory

(A little off topic of the shields but: do you guys mind if I share my sky kid OCs? It’s just that there’s a lot and I don’t want to take up a lot of the channel )

[long vortex]

Please do! I love reading about skykid OCs!

[spice sun]

okay…. Inhales

Here’s a list of all my Skykid OCs. The top left corner is the youngest (Natali) and the bottom right corner is the oldest (Peony). I’ve posted a couple of memes featuring them, so I’ve put their names in their usual colors. Each of them (mostly) have different calls, too.
Natali, Brianna, and Shayda are siblings and have a Nest in Aviary Village they share with Taliyah, their cousin.
Nellie and Nathaniel, as seen by their text colors, are also siblings. They have a separate Nest, but I don’t time to make theirs 😔
Cally and Princess Peony live in Prairie Peaks and The Kingdom in the season of the Nine-Colored Deer.
And finally Sofi, who was adopted by the Nesting Guide.
(I promise I’ll have more sky kids that are boys I just need the cosmetics )
As seen, Natali, Sofi, and Nellie are the three youngest of the group. Natali and Nellie are bffs and get into all sorts of crazy shenanigans while Sofi usually hang around Nesting Guide and doesn’t get into the shenanigans they do (and fears for their safety because they constantly go tease krills). Nellie also happens to be banned from the Nesting Shop because she set off fireworks in it. Nathaniel usually helps get Nellie out of ridiculous situations, but sometimes he just ends up joining them
Brianna, Taliyah, and Cally are another set of friends. They’re the most helpful when helping spirits and cleaning up the river in Prairie Peaks (Cally does not like the pollution or the dark creature there)
Finally, Shayda and Princess Peony both sort of wander around the Sky Realm except for GW and Eden. While Peony does have a ‘home’ in the Crescent Oasis, she likes hanging out with Shayda. They’re the quietest, but Shayda is more shy while Peony just waits until the right time to speak. All in all, they’re sorta their own family for each other, but they do interact with other spirits/seasons (which I’ll list in the next message)

Natali helped the Remembrance Guide and the Remembrance Spirits with Brianna. While Brianna did most of the reliving trauma memories, Natali helped build the Shared Spaces for them, especially for the Pleading Child. To this day, she still has the manta plushie (and when I unlock it, Nellie will have the crab plushie and Natali would have given it to her)
Taliyah was friends with the Little Prince. When he had to leave, this caused a change in her normal, easygoing,causal attitude, and she became a lot more reflective (and sad when she thinks no one’s looking). Taliyah loves sunsets and roses, and if I could bought it, she would have either the fox plushie or the rose music box.
Shayda was friends with the Deer, and was understandably distraught when it was hurt. it was Princess Peony who helped Shayda get inside the castle while avoiding the Krills. Peony was like a sister to the Princess spirit, but didn’t agree with the decision to capture the Deer.
The nesting guide found Sofi like how the Ushering Stargazer found the child in their memory: Sofi just. Fell from the sky and happened to land nearby the Nesting Guide. So they took her in as their own and now she’s helping the guide out with making furniture :DD
As for Cally, Nate, and Nathaniel? I haven’t made a concrete backstory for them. They’re sorta just there for now.

[long vortex]

[long vortex]

All of this is very in depth! Thank you for sharing!

[spice sun]

Awww ty!
There was another one I had in concept, but I didn’t really have a name for them (and I needed the hearts for their hair and wings)
I’m also planning on having sofi wear the isle elder’s mask once I have the AC for it. As for how she got it lorewise? She probably asked for it politely or something lol

[cobalt palm]

I have finally gotten around to doing a lore video, this one about the King, it may not be everything, and is my theories, but it's a start

https://youtu.be/qk5NQNXv2Hg

I tried to incorporate all of the parts from their fall with the spirits in Dawn, some stories from Performance which seems to relate to them and their star. The trials, and murals in Vault and Eden related directly to them.
I missed off the wasteland statues and possible void appearance, because it was already getting quite dense with info

[waxen ermine]

I wondered this myself! If the giant child is important, but it was quickly dismissed in lore chat as a glitch (which I found fair)

Including the performance story in the lore was clever!

[cobalt palm]

Tbh it is a glitch really, but it felt like a nice jumping off point for talking about the king

[waxen ermine]

Love the idea of the kids being on the same path as the king, though this time, not corrupted by greed

[long vessel]

So I've been watching the teasers and trailers again, basically frame by frame lol. I've noticed a couple things (well, lots of things, but a couple really big ones that I haven't seen mentioned elsewhere yet). First, and this might be an obvious one, we seem to have a glimpse at what the Battlefield area used to look like before the king's rule

And then secondly, and this will be the last thing I add for now, we also see a weird similarity between the gear that grown manatees wear for caravan travels and the spotlight that krill have. I'm definitely starting to think that the krill were armed with this gear and maybe they didn't know how devastating it would be

[slender cairn]

anyone knwo the lore behind this?

[versed mirage]

These were put during days of love. Devs might've forgotten to remove them

[keen shore]

sky rome is real....

[dire night]

Eh i dont think theres any lore significance. Because its from a yearly event and because its in starlight dessert. 🙂

[twilit mulch]

How do u know? Beta spoiler?

[vital bluff]

where in the starlight desert is this?

[forest hornet]

May I ask for any Elder experts to info dump on me on literally any and all information relating to the Elders? Trying to work on a lil project of mine and am scrambling for needed information for them

[nimble ingot]

Probably refering to the coliseum in valley where ancestor did races and performances eoughly like the history of Rome and their coliseum events.
As well as their neighbours in Greece where olympic events took places in their coliseums.

[nimble ingot]

If I am not mistaken, this was in the jellyfish area where you find the star collector (accountant) spirit with their boat and geyser.

It would be somewhere in the water on the small island.

[nimble ingot]

Ah. I saw the video and tried replicating the bug when I went to eden.

I sadly could not get it to work (though it is possible I missed a step somewhere lol).

What does happen on occasion is a figure appearing on the constellation stone.

I suspect it is a bug where the game tries to summon a character in the game. Because an ancestor spirit appeared there without me summoning them.

[cobalt palm]

You need to go offline after collecting light from the spirits, before you enter "The Light" (where you wave to the statues you saved).
Ive been told it only happens when you first do Eden each week, so I didn't see it the first time as I had already done eden that week since Sunday's reset.

[nimble ingot]

The figure is awfully familiar ti the an old Light Awaits encounter in Dawn.
Where you get your first winged light from a white skykids wearing a cape who gifts their light to your darkened skykid.

https://youtu.be/SS2Ep_ml24s?si=7EWdy7BqQp7215Z0

[nimble ingot]

I have. But will try again after the reset.

I go offline as I fly towads the light. So the orbit loads jn while offline.I
But will try it as the area loads in.

[nimble ingot]

Mind you.

You dont need the elders summoned (I think).
I am not quite sure how this figure is triggered.

Whether it depends on how many statues you save. Or if you in fact need to summon the elders there.

[cobalt palm]

No I did it before the white out transition.
Did you walk past the starry shinybois and trigger the constellation stone cutscene, as they only appeared after that for me

Yeah I've had different characters appear there, I assume that's a glitch of other things loading in too.

[nimble ingot]

Not sure.

I'll do that next time I check it out.

It is very interesting and loved watching the video you shared.

[cobalt palm]

Thank you, I've been meaning to start doing some lore oriented videos for a while now, maybe I just need to do like this and take them as smaller chunks rather what I was planning on having a lore breakdown of each realm.

[nimble ingot]

Also.

I noticed the devs added the eden gate to the elder cutscenes.

And the one for vault is under the OOB cube lol.
The one in valley though is sadly stuck behind a wind barrier.

I find it interesting how the segments for the elders slowly lught up.
Including the ones for dawn and vault.

Which begs the interesting question whether the dawna nd vault elders are technically part of the eden gate, or not.
Seeing how their masks are not included, but still lights up part of the gate.

[nimble ingot]

Maybe a video that goes over a chunk of the lore. Almost like an episode for every few lore tidbits. And the realms are chapters or series.

[cobalt palm]

Isn't Vault's mask the top of the Eden door?
I know that the line that opens when the cutscene plays, and Dawn has the lower line of the 6.

Kinda hard to see in my screenshots
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

But yeah, I'd say going clockwise from left
Prairie, Forest, Vault (though no acolyte headdress), Wasteland, Valley

[nimble ingot]

Ah. I was wrong.
Vault is on there. my bad.

But Dawn's isn't. And yes.
the line leading up to the middle circle lights up for Dawn.
Symbolising the elder is connected to the other realms.
Which makes for an nice contrast to Eden being the realm that is sealed off from the others.

[long vessel]

I've been looking into the king statues/turrets last night and today - I found one of the coolest pics yet

I'm sure this has been seen before, it's part of 7 Days of Sky. The coolest parts for me are a) all of the statues seem to have guns, not just the ones on the Temple like how they currently are, implying they open up and the guns come out, b) the one on the front top right of the roof looks like it's rotating, and c) they seem to glow faintly blue from the inside (not sure if it translates in the quality of the pic here but you'll see it if you look it up), so to me, that indicates it's probably darkstone tech

My screenshots for reference

Also wanted to include these, the first is also from 7 Days of Sky, and the second one is Tom Zhao early concept art

[real mortar]

the art books are coming
is everybody excited for all the yummy lore?

[spiral vault]

Only the Wasteland Elder's shield

[spiral vault]

This isn't right, since Golden Wasteland Elder has the sun shield

[spiral vault]

This document has some stuff on it:https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit#heading=h.cmfnuox3fw3h

[spiral vault]

Here are the important events in the war, in my order

-Teamaker hides from soldiers
-Pleading Child's parent gets taken
-Veteran's kid gets drafted and killed
-Wounded Warrior fights with their friends
-Seed of Hope acts as a medic
-Teal lights fall on both sides, while they fight for the Wasteland Temple
-Sun side captures Eden
-Elders try to stop Void of Shattering, but fail, the war is over and nobody won

It could also be possible that the symbols got so distorted that it doesn't matter anymore, and they're just fighting because they want to

From the movie Civil War: Someone's trying to kill us, we're trying to kill them.

[waxen ermine]

Yes, but what does that disprove?
In all the concept lore and stuff, it never mentions wasteland elder turning against the king, he always worked for him

Doesn’t it prove further he was a loyal soldier of the king?

[spiral vault]

Not just the concept lore, but in the shattering elder memory, the wasteland elder is trying to stop the eden diamond

[waxen ermine]

He was loyal to the king, and when the Eden diamond tried to explode, he tried to stop it with the others

It doesn’t mean he turned against the king, it just means he was trying to stop a catastrophe that would damage the kingdom

[spiral vault]

We will see with Two Embers

But my guess is wasteland elder against the king, it seems like valley is also playing a part in the war

Valley has a bunch of darkstone contraptions, so they'd be more likely to be pro darkstone

Wasteland would be polluted with all the industry, so they'd be more likely to be anti darkstone

In the main parts Wasteland, there's only three functioning piece of darkstone (two in shipwreck, one for the temple entrance)

Meanwhile, Valley uses darkstone for silly stuff like guitars and ski lifts

[molten dust]

YEAHHHHHH

[strange flare]

I have discussed before whether or not spirits can fly like sky kids do. And now I know for certain that they indeed can, or at least some of them.

Some spirits have capes and some don't. And occasionally you can find the star on it charged or uncharged (as dot).

Some have told me that the stars on Grandma in HF are a bug. But I'm pretty sure some other spirit does have it. in Village of Dreams mission there are plenty of other spirits with unique capes.

I think the flight races in the valley backs it up.

However there are potential holes in the theory. That being the mantas shown in a memory. Which shows some ancestors spirits riding mantas and flying around in that area before the flight race.

In addition, the placement of the building in the area before the flight race seems odd. There are stairs but it seems some have broken down, not sure what that place once was, but it seems related to the flight aspect.

[cold sparrow]

A bunch of spirits/ancestors are shown explicitly not being able to fly. The dreams skater falls off the ledge and has to be caught by hermit.
The captain in Abyss has to climb a tower by hand.

The valley is shown to use mantas for sports, like with the manta riser in the citadel, which was likely the case for the flying race. It's also shown to use flying boats for transportation, which has likely been used for accessing some or the flying buildings.
Ancestors in Isle (Aurora memory) and wind paths are also shown to use flying boats to get around.

[waxen ermine]

They can’t fly but they can definitely jump good

[strange flare]

During the flight race I think we do see mantas flying around assisting in recharging (at least for the sky kids)
Does it completely close the possibilities that spirits could fly?

If so, then it will likely be related to the concept art on the background lore, when the Megabird sends us (sky kids) to reconnect everything with light?

Asking this because I was writing lore for OCs teehee

[spiral vault]

The stars on the capes are a bug, it's so old and hidden that I don't think TGC will ever find it

[strange flare]

my headcanon at least, is that all the stars are burnt out/uncharged because the spirit are sort of "dead"
[I don't really know how to describe it in other words, english not my first language]

[spiral vault]

Even when they were alive, they couldn't be able to fly

[strange flare]

I see I see, now that is cleared up
I wonder how different we (sky kids) are to the spirits?
Why the spirits remains trapped in once place?
And can a sky kid end up like the spirits?

[forest hornet]

Thank you! any help is appreciated

[spiral vault]

I think the spirits are trapped in the darkness shell

For the last question, look at Hopeful Steward

[strange flare]

I think that is a yes?
(I have not finished the last mission)

[versed mirage]

I want to propose a question. New players start with 15 stars and lose all of them at the start of the game now. Dying post eden only gives 7 back so I’m wondering if there’s any significance to that.

[karmic osprey]

So how do couches, mannequins, roses, and other objects counting as spirit givers fit into the lore? Are they embedded with some kind of soul?

[keen blade]

nice document to make some sense of the lore, I like to headcannon that the mountain power plant went overdrive chernobil style and we are the liquidators trying to deactivate it, krills just mutated dragons due to radiation

[twin verge]

HEY! does anybody here have any headcanons for what kind of crystal the red shards from eden could reasonably be?
based on the cleavage and see through properties im thinking it could be some kind of quartz?
orrr, my personal headcanon, it could be painite! a gemstone with an irregular structure, a brittle tenacity, and see through properties

[keen blade]

no knowledge of the red ones, but the dark ones look like obsidian

[twin verge]

ooo true true.. and that fits the sort of volcanic vibe of it all!

[strange flare]

thinking of Cinnabar
those are toxic I think? I forgor

[twin verge]

ohhh.. very good idea

[spiral vault]

I think the rose is a sentient being, but the couches and mannequins are just inanimate displays

[spiral vault]

It's probably Darkstone, the material used to power up doors and other things, corrupted beyond any saving

The red shards are fragmented pieces of the giant diamond in PNR

[vagrant wing]

Does the season end before days of color

[cold sparrow]

Wrong channel for this.
Check the dates in the news post, check the wiki, check the ingame news in the inbox, or ask #questions-and-help

[edgy lark]

Noob question here

If Alef/Resh is the leader of the Dark stone side of the war, then who's the leader for the sun symbol side?

[forest hornet]

My best guess would maybe be Daleth if anything since he never seemed to agree with the use of darkstone

[spice sun]

I think I remember seeing darkstone being used to open up Daleth’s temple, Though. (If daleth refers to the isle elder)
In fact, I think the Prairie Elder is the only one whose temple or realm doesn’t use darkstone at all (the darkstone crystals in prairie peaks don’t really count because they’re in raw form instead of the power diamonds we see)

…oh, wait, no
Power diamonds are used in Prairie, to open the doors in the villages and for the 8-player puzzle
But that’s the only time we see them in Prairie

[lucid bridge]

There’s also the white crystal on the temple facade itself.

[steel falcon]

I believe it’s alef who is the leader of the light side

[spiral vault]

Probably the Wasteland Elder, darkstones are used very sparingly in the realm and only for basic purposes, and they literally have a sun shield in the cutscene

The Isle and Prairie elders aren't really fit to lead a war

[edgy lark]

Ohhh

So it was prince alef vs wasteland? And they were fighting over access to Eden?

Sorry besties I am just learning the story 🙏

[inland ibex]

What？

[spiral vault]

There's a war in Sky, the reason is unknown, but the aftereffects can be seen in the giant battlefield area in Wasteland

Prince Alef is just another name for the Eden Elder, a mysterious figure who disappeared long before the skykids come

[spiral vault]

I think it was more complex than that, but I think so

We know definitively that Wasteland Elder is fighting for the sun side, but we don't know about the diamond side, it could be a civil war as well

They were probably fighting over the problems and benefits of industrialization, sun side was worried about the pollution while the diamond side wanted progress

[inland ibex]

Oh I see

[spiral vault]

There's a sun shield in Eden, which means that the sun side and Wasteland Elder took over Eden. But it's so destroyed that there's no remains left

[barren thistle]

hi! has anyone shared the lore bits about the elders from the recent art book that came out? because if not… i can share the deets 👀

edit: if anyone is interested too, i can use the star feature it came with to let you see the meshes and 3D layout of certain areas if you’d like!

[waxen ermine]

Wait, it’s already out? Where can I buy it?
And please go ahead!

[barren thistle]

off the official shop- thatskyshop! i don’t know if a second round of orders has happened yet but i picked up my book a few days ago at the signing event

edit: prepare for walls of text!

edit 2: hand typing these on mobile so i may take a bit,,,,

“Wisdom (Herald): The Elder of the Isle formally mentored the young Child after the prophecies came true. The Child later outgrew the Elder’s teachings. As the guide of the migration, the Elder felt guilty and bound to the duty of guiding new souls into their path. Inspecting the flame, the Elder recognizes the Child reborn.” (p. 174)

“Empathy (Threshold Guardian): The Elder of the Prairie inspired a community to help each other and grow a sustainable harvest and natural ecosystem. Migration flocked through the tranquil islands. Families and wildlife thrived together through the seasons. Uncertain about the unexplained darkness lurking, the Elder began to overstore light energy in jars, which they hoarded to keep safe for the community.” (p. 175)

[waxen ermine]

(Thank you brave soldier for spending so much money!)

[barren thistle]

(,,,it’s not letting me send the things,,,,???)

[waxen ermine]

How about you type on a word document and screenshot?

[barren thistle]

oh maybe!!! i thought this channel didn’t allow photos tho?

[waxen ermine]

It does! Just not links to photos

I wonder what the isle elder one means, did the king become reborn as Sky children? Was that theory right all along?

Recap of my theory:
-The vault memory shows the Eden constellation crown, which was the exact same as the friend crown before it was updated
-The elders all bow to you before it tilted up to the crown
-The kids can all complete the trials just like the king
-The king was a child of light himself, he had a chest light and fell from the sky
-The devs confirmed the king is no longer there to be rescued
-The kids star symbol in their capes matches the king’s symbol

[waxen ermine]

So he was sucking light from the stars in the Eden diamond mural!

[waxen ermine]

I knew it! The wasteland elder was loyal to the king!

So it was civilian protests who were the diamond side

Recap:
The sun side is the king’s side
-Wounded warrior has the king symbol, his friend has the sun shield
-We see sun shields facing outwards from golden wasteland, meaning they’re protecting Eden
-We find sun shields on display in Eden (if you’ve ever been in castles, they will display their shields and weapons on walls)

Newly added info:
-The diamond side is the protesting civilians
-Keep in mind we see diamond symbols on tons of spirits, so it just represents their civilization in general
-Wasteland elder was in fact loyal to the king with his sun shield

[barren thistle]

aaaand done! that’s all the elder bits! and i also just found out today that there’s supposed to be an official animated series that looks at the kingdom of sky before/during(?) the war that’s supposed to come out this year???

[waxen ermine]

Yup yup!
It’s gonna focus on the king in the past,

And then a child in the future

[waxen ermine]

If the kids are the king though, does it mean he’s atoning for his sins in a new life?

When all the elders bow to you, is it like a “welcome back, your highness” before it pans up to the crown?

[barren thistle]

and to highlight your theory about the king being reborn as a sky kid- that’s honestly what i started to think reading the book and— THATS HONESTLY EXACTLY WHAT I STARTED THINKING TOO! that all the sky kids are acting out the part of the king atoning for his sins- especially since the concept art of the king literally has him the same height as a sky kid! (they included that concert in the book so it’s def official artwork!!)

[waxen ermine]

That is incredible!! But sad we can’t save him..
Unless, that kind of happens when we hug the light child at the end?

We die, retreat into ourselves, see our past life feeling guilty and comfort them with the fact we did our best and atoned

Note if you die outside of Eden, you go to the black void but you don’t see the light child, just a winged light to grab

[barren thistle]

maybe! that’d def be a poetic tie to it!

[waxen ermine]

Maybe he doesn’t appear outside of Eden because we didn’t do anything self sacrificing so there’s nothing to comfort himself over

But he feels better when we do sacrifice, and embraced his new form and absorbed into the new life, something like that

Screenshot of my old message comparing the Eden crown constellation to the old crown friend constellation

They changed it in a later update, idk why

Please pay attention to the number of stars and their position

3 along the bottom, 2 on the right spike, 2 along the groove, then two for the tallest middle spike, 2 along the next groove, 2 for the left spike

If there’s anything about the king, please let us know!

(Gahh, bad bot deleting your messages!)

[barren thistle]

will read more!!! lots of mentions in the concept works of forced harnessing (HFF IT DOESNT LIKE THE REAL WORD) of light/souls/creatures being what led to the creation of darkness that spread to the other realms and the conflicts it caused

[waxen ermine]

I would’ve bought the book but that price is outrageous.. I’ll wait till a non deluxe edition

[barren thistle]

honestly, i did a pay in four option to break up the payments so it wasn’t too hefty of a price but i wanted to share what i’ve found so far because idk if others have gotten their books just yet!

[waxen ermine]

Thank you, you’re so kind!

Oh yeah! If it also mentions anything about how exactly the dark monsters were created, like krills, etc, feel free to add!

[barren thistle]

currently on a break down of the hidden forest as a whole: to summarize, it was created to give the air of originally being built to honor the light that then fell into essentially becoming a lumberyard that focused almost exclusively on industrialization with the temple being turned into a factory. the dark water and “acid rain” are the byproducts of pollution due to such
^just thought it was an interesting tidbit!

[waxen ermine]

It is interesting!

[barren thistle]

HOLD UP! new note that then falls into valley that touches slightly on the king- leans more into the “skykids are lowkey the king???” type theory

“Having mined the light of its power and resources, the civilization crowned the young Ruler alongside the Elders.-“ there’s more in that passage but that’s what feels relevant

[waxen ermine]

It really does feel like he grows up
(And in concept art he’s more giant than the elders, which is really cool to think Sky kids can grow massive)

[barren thistle]

also to mention: “…However, if you revisit the valley, there are clues of hubris and the darker mechanics of creatures wrangled for racing and coliseum entertainment.” which i just find interesting because i was rewatching the aurora concert and… yeah you do see them capturing those manta fr fr 😔

[pastel brook]

underneath darkened skies, there's a light kept alive

[waxen ermine]

Yup… they must have started attacking people after that in Seed of Hope
At first I thought they were innocent mantas caught in crossfire, but I realized they were flying towards the battle, not away from it

[barren thistle]

page 121 of the book does indeed show the Ruler proper interestingly enough- this is the first time i’ve seen him depicted on his own in the book and considering photos are allowed….

[waxen ermine]

(Wait, wait, does taking pics of the book constitute piracy?)
Let’s not do that, is it a picture we’ve seen before?

[barren thistle]

oh good point!!! best to air on the side of caution then,,, i’m not too sure if it’s been shown before- i personally haven’t see it before now at the very least

[waxen ermine]

What’s it look like? (In text)

[barren thistle]

it shows the ruler/king, a sky kid, and a large statue that towers over both figures that’s meant to represent the ruler in the golden wasteland
edit: oh ok sick! glad that one’s been seen already!

[waxen ermine]

Ah yep! We’ve seen this one

It can be found on the internet

[barren thistle]

yep! that’s the one in here! alr cool cool

hit another bit about the ruler- this time in relation to the eye of eden

“The grand fortress and machinery were built closest to the sky to mine the soul migration. Drawing from the soul cycle so inhumanely was the Ruler’s final display of hubris.” (p. 132)

[waxen ermine]

Ohhhh!
Wait, that’s horrific
He wasn’t draining from the stars…

He was straight up draining souls…

[barren thistle]

also a random note (mostly because i didn’t know-) is the final thing you see from orbit that looks like a… galaxy? is the “Megabird”?: “The Megabird is the collective unconscious of everything in the universe and its body is composed of bonds.”

[waxen ermine]

Yep! We’ve known about this
So she’s still canon

[barren thistle]

reading bulk passages now- will report back soon if i find anything noteworthy!

[edgy lark]

The fact we can't save the sky king / prince ... 💔💔💔

[barren thistle]

hit a portion about the creatures of darkness: to summarize (since it doesn’t give an exact explanation-), they are the embodiment and physical existence of the lack of light in the work due to the ruler (and thus civilization-) harnessing/stealing it. that is also why the creatures hunger for light as a whole. the concept art of the page shows that at a time there was the idea of saving/freeing the creatures of darkness with the offering of light from a skykid

[waxen ermine]

Sad we can’t save them anymore

[barren thistle]

possible ruler allusion on a concept map portion with story beats of the walk up to eden and eventual meeting of the storm:

“Storm Story Layout:
-Aging/Death - All is lost, Nadir(?), Atonement with the Father”

[waxen ermine]

Oh yes! We’ve seen this image
Just to note, the “atonement with the father” is the name of a stage of Campbell’s Hero’s Journey
(A lot of other levels are labeled with stages of Campbell’s heroes journey, and the gameplay trailer for sky says you’re embarking on a “hero’s journey”

[barren thistle]

oooh gotcha gotcha! did it have the story beats labeled all the way up to the storm in the available image?
edit: noice!! i’ll move on then ^^)b

[waxen ermine]

Yup!

Just realized wait a second, how are we the king reborn if he’s still over there.. uh….
My mind blank…

Oh well, maybe in the final game we are

[barren thistle]

that’s about it for the quicker portions of the book without going too in depth with it- a nice very heartwarming touch is they included a portion dedicated to the art the community has made! 🥺💕

[waxen ermine]

Thank you so much Snail!

[barren thistle]

the book also has a star feature too! it gives a line from the book and a dev look at the 3D spaces of the main realms and a small portion of the storm at specific points in the maps

[waxen ermine]

So cool!!!

[barren thistle]

but yeah!! again- i’m happy to share what the book holds! i know we’ve been fiending for some kind of official word about the lore of the game’s world

[lavish tapir]

We maybe aren’t the king reborn, so to speak.. We could all be new souls/children of light that are destined to follow his path to atone for the sins that he committed since he too was a child of light. There seems like there was mention of prophecy, perhaps it was foretold that we would come to bare the light and guide it through the darkness that the king created. At the end, we are still embracing the purest form of the king that was set free/forgiven by our journey. We’re reborn to cycle again and ensure that society rebuilds in harmony with nature. (Just as an alternative to explain ‘we’re the king but how is he still over there?’)

Ultimately really just about the same story, in the end. (Perhaps even as far as collecting the winged light is the equivalent of gathering the bits of his soul, so when we go to Eden we are sacrificing pieces of him to atone for his sins and save the souls of other kids?)

[waxen ermine]

Actually, the prophecy was about the king himself, that’s why it depicts him collecting elements and giving them to people

It says that it came true and then isle Elder started mentoring him because of it

[lavish tapir]

OH see, I read “The Child” as meaning us, not the King.

[waxen ermine]

They probably had a prophecy that one day a child would beat all the trials and hand out elements, becoming king of a civilization

Now that I think about it, it’s probably why they sent all those kids into prophecy cave
They wondered which one was the child of prophecy

[lavish tapir]

(To be fair, when I’m annoyed with my character’s sticky jumping, I always call them The Child. )

[grizzled vector]

Could also be the Wasteland Elder switched sides in the end. Could also be the "sun shields" took over the Wasteland Temple and Eden in the end (but it was too late by then)

[waxen ermine]

But there’s no proof he did, nor does it say it anywhere in the concept art (or the recently released lore book for the matter)

It always wrote him as loyally protecting the king

[grizzled vector]

But sounds like there's no proof to the contrary either... so it's all "up to interpretation"

[waxen ermine]

Huh? But I.. but there is proof…

[waxen ermine]

^

If he was too tired, he couldn’t have rebelled after that either
After multiple victories protecting the Ruler (the king/prince), he got tired and too weak to continue

[grizzled vector]

Either way, to me it makes no sense for the diamond to be the symbol of rebellion and the Light to be the symbol of the king tbh

[waxen ermine]

Actually the diamond is to symbolize the people, the civilians
You see every spirit having a diamond on their (collar? Idk what it’s called)

So what better to represent a civilian protest than with their symbol?

And thinking about it further, the Belonging symbol is 3 diamonds… which could just be showing like, a gathering of civilians, of people

[grizzled vector]

Plus you see the Light symbol in other places like the Prairie docks and the Harmony Hall

Power diamonds are batteries that are charged by draining light creatures. I don't see how they represent civilians tbh. Unless the civilians came to see themselves as just batteries in the end

[waxen ermine]

I think it’s just a game development thing, to show diamonds to mark both civilians and the technology they’re proud of (for players to associate the two)
“We made the diamond and we’re proud, so we’ll wear the sign of our civilization”
Diamond = ancestor (any ancestor in general) in that kind of design terms

[grizzled vector]

But their civilization was what they would be rebelling against in the end. Why would they wear the logo of the factories they were destroying?

[waxen ermine]

Good question, idk
They should’ve switched to a flame symbol or something

Further addition to the diamond shield (civilian protests), you never see them past Golden Wasteland, so the protection was successful

[grizzled vector]

If the main thing that makes you think the sun shields are the king's side is that they are facing outwards from the Wasteland temple then again, they could also be facing outward because the rebels took over the temple in the end

[waxen ermine]

That.. doesn’t make sense (because it doesn’t account for the diamond shields coming from the wrong side)
But I don’t want to debate further

[grizzled vector]

The rebels did take down the king in the end so they would have had to be successful

[spiral vault]

Rip I'm wrong

This artbook may be just concept art, but I think it's true

[spiral vault]

I'm not sure, I think the king and the second child will be in the same time period

It's called Two Embers, and the trailers shows two little embers floating around together

Also, narrative wise, it would make sense for the two main characters to interact

[spiral vault]

Resize potions

[spiral vault]

Very interesting that they use Child and Ruler here, still adhering to genderless in the lore it seems

[grizzled vector]

What we see right now is the aftermath of the final battle that took place. Initially the King's army (the diamonds) would have been defending the entrance to the Temple. But after the rebels (the sun) finally won they would have taken up defensive positions against any remaining loyalists that could have remained elsewhere. (Not trying to debate just trying to explain how it makes sense to me)

Initially the King's army would have presumably been trying to defend the Wasteland factory (where you meet the First Krill) but that place is trashed now so that means the rebels must have won that battle too

[spiral vault]

That would imply Wasteland Elder was a rebel...

[grizzled vector]

No, it would just imply the Wasteland Elder (and the loyalists) eventually lost

[spiral vault]

Even outside the artbooks, we know Wasteland Elder wears the sun shield, it's displayed on the temple

[lyric imp]

Called it ages ago

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[waxen ermine]

You’re a genius!

[lyric imp]

where is it shown/said that isle elder adopted them? is it in the lore book? i haven't read it yet

[waxen ermine]

^
Here
Just to clarify, mentored, not adopted
(Yeah this stuff came from the book)

[grizzled vector]

"Inspecting the flame, the Elder recognizes the Child reborn"

Is that more or less a confirmation that the player is a reincarnation of the king?

Another thought: "the king" amassed a ton of power, coming from ground up souls of multitudes of creatures, and then shattered. Could it be that we all, collectively, are what remains? Like, not so much that every player is "the king in their own story" but each of us is a fragment

[lyric imp]

everything makes sense except capes. notice that every spirit with a cape also has a single diamond on top of it, just like a skykid with 1 wl

[lyric imp]

someone had a theory like this a few months ago

[grizzled vector]

Maybe we're a fragment of the same soul then

[lyric imp]

search "fragments king" in this channel. it goes way back and lots of people have thought of it independently

[grizzled vector]

From what I understand this has been brought up before and it sounds like it's a bug the devs would have preferred to fix but can't seem to

[lyric imp]

really? wild

[grizzled vector]

Yep, bugs are pretty wild like that sometimes

[lyric imp]

how so?

[grizzled vector]

I mean... i guess the other possibility is that the loyalists were successful defending the king to the end until the shattering happened on its own for unrelated reasons

[lyric imp]

do you think that the civilian side actually defeated the wasteland elder side and went on to attack eden and that is why eden is ruined rather than because of the shattering?

[grizzled vector]

My hypothesis is that the story beat described in the concept art was cut from the game for complexity/gameplay reasons, but it did happen as part of the story of the world, just earlier. That would also explain all the bodies we're reviving in the Eye of Eden

[lyric imp]

i always thought the bodies in eden were sky kids. when we die there, we become a statue like them, don't we?

[grizzled vector]

I mean my guess is it was less clear cut that than. Obviously if it was unarmed civilians against the king and an army that wouldn't have gone over well. But over time there were probably folks who defected from the army. It's possible some of the Elders took the other side in the conflict. One of the Aurora's songs shows magic being used as a weapon in that battle... there are also creature remains all over the Wasteland. And the Wasteland factory is destroyed so the rebel side must have been strong enough to win at least some of the battles

[grizzled vector]

Right, but even when we start the game for the first time the narrator refers to us "coming back" so it's possible the skykids existed before, or even during the final stages of the conflict

[lyric imp]

it seems like they were stopped right at the temple, since we see that the wasteland temple remains intact

[grizzled vector]

Considering The King was likely the original skykid, it's possible The Light "sent" more skykids as the situation grew so dire that even The Light itself was threatened

[grizzled vector]

I mean... the current Wasteland "temple" is more or less just a door to the Vault. They would have more important things to worry about than destroying a huge stone building. The Wasteland factory (and likely the original Wasteland temple) was destroyed because of what it was doing to the ecosystem

Note that the Forest temple is intact, which may mean that the Forest Elder has shut it down voluntarily after noticing how it's affecting the forest

(Actually the current Wasteland temple and the Vault are part of the Holy Mountain so yea they wouldn't be destroying that for several reasons)

[lyric imp]

though we see in the concert version of seed that a battle did take place there, so chances are that it was stormed for some reason. looks like at least they tried. in repository refuge we also see a number of people who ran from the war

[grizzled vector]

To be totally honest I'm not entirely sure why an army with air mounts would be storming the ground entrance (especially if the goal was to get a handful of skykids to the Eye) but...

Unless the battle was a distraction...

[lyric imp]

that is an interesting take. my best guess would be that they just tried to take over the kingdom and hoped to get to eden but were stopped in wasteland

[grizzled vector]

I mean the "big argument" here is what the sun and the diamond represent. I think it makes little sense that the rebels would use what was essentially the logo of the Light processing facilities as a symbol of rebellion against said facilities. And "the sun" seems like more of a hand drawn organic shape that would make much more sense as a rebel symbol for The Light. But the sun shields on the battlefield are facing outwards so that's the point of contention

Either way, it's all "open to interpretation" so there probably will be no definitive proof one way or the other, at least until Two Embers comes out. It would be nice to know which was which but oh well

[lyric imp]

and the elder was the sun side, yes? oh dear

[grizzled vector]

Well, the shield by the Elder's shrine has the sun. So either the Elder defected in the end, or the shield was placed there after the fact by someone else

Though there is also the part where all of the Elders were present during the Shattering, which complicates things somewhat. (Actually I seem to recall that one is missing but I don't remember which)

[lyric imp]

migh have been the other way around and the elder sided with the rebels, but then the whole ruined factory doesn't make much sense, though it would explain how civilians got to repository refuge. some of the more interesting theories were that the war was between wasteland and some other realm, or perhaps even between two sides with each consisting of several realms - which would be a step in the right direction if it wasn't for the lore book based on what i've seen in this chat so far

[grizzled vector]

Well, the argument started over this excerpt. This would seem to indicate that the Wasteland Elder was loyal to the King (Ruler) until the end. But then that would mean the sun is the symbol of the Ruler side and the diamonds are somehow the symbol of the rebels

(The excerpt snail posted is from the Art of Sky book)

[lyric imp]

yeah. still doesn't make any sense, even less so than it did months ago. weird stuff
hold on - is the book new, or was it like concept art or sth?

[grizzled vector]

Yep, I was kinda hoping at least the art book would bring some clarity but it seems like it's literally just art you can already find on the internet and it's adding more questions than answers

[lyric imp]

that sucks, esp that the old concept art isn't exactly representative of the current lore

[grizzled vector]

The main thing that seems clear to me is that they didn't seem to have an actual writer per se. They seem to have expected the concept artist to do all the world building. Which... ideally you do want concept artists to be part of that but it's not really the main thing they do. Writing, especially creating a whole setting from scratch, with lore and all, involves lots of overthinking of every little detail and concept artists generally aren't really known for that

[lyric imp]

tbh Tom Zhao still did an amazing job at that, it's just that the final product differed greatly from his ideas so i sometimes wonder if sky lore even exists in all those areas where we can't get to a consensus. like do they actually have something in mind, or is this just content loosely based on the concept art but with no actual, coherent story?

[grizzled vector]

I mean... it's not that I'm trying to trash talk Tom Zhao, the game is a gorgeous experience but like... I suspect there just may not have been quite as much thought put into the details we're drawing conclusions from and argue over. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the sun shields are facing that way just because at one point they had a concept that two sides were fighting and each had a symbol. It's possible they didn't really put much thought into what the symbols actually meant or how the war went until much later, and by that point they kinda just forgot about the shields and how they're facing

From what I've seen of the concept art, they seem to have been literally just taking what's drawn and trying to make a game from it. Except for where they had to scale it down for gameplay or workload reasons. Like, in the concept art the Prairie has three temples where we were supposed to solve puzzles and fight dragons. In the final version we just light some candles to make the bells ring. But mostly it seems like they kept to the concept art except for the scaling down part

[lyric imp]

not much to add here. if i were to create a system for analysing lore, one of its first tents would be that sometimes the lore is incoherent or doesn't exist due to the devs not looking into enough details

to think what sky could have been if the devs had instant infinite resources

[grizzled vector]

I mean... yea... I can't say I blame them either. Apparently Journey took them years to build and almost bankrupted them despite Sony giving them several extensions. When you're trying to build something no one has done before (like an online game that doesn't revolve around combat) you can spend a lot of time making things just to find out they don't really work in the end, with not much to show for it

It would have been nice if they had an actual writer during preproduction but oh well

[steel burrow]

i have a question my weird fever brain thought of
is there a reason that sky kids wear masks?

[cold sparrow]

Aside from distinctive visual design of the game, none that is explicitly known

[slow chasm]

Feels a bit like historians trying to reconstruct what happened long before they existed but some things are just lost over time

[grizzled vector]

Another thought, the diamond is known to be the symbol of the Forest Elder. If it was indeed the rebel symbol, that would suggest the rebellion may have been led by them?

On a more cynical note, it's possible that the Elders tried to shut down the power diamond production due to its effects on the environment but the civilians rose up in protest, and made diamond their symbol because they wanted more diamonds

Like, I mean, seems silly and shortsighted but imagine the current government told you you can't have gasoline anymore because it's bad for the environment. Except you kinda need gasoline to go anywhere or do anything because everything was built on the assumption you'll always have access to it. So yea we'd have people up in arms over that

[normal ermine]

How tall is Eden king/Resh?

[cold sparrow]

We don't know

[spiral vault]

Probably as tall as a regular skykid\

[spiral vault]

That's just a glitch, it's not canon

[grizzled vector]

we do see a swallow at the entrance to the Citadel, which suggests skykids are about the same size as Thumbelina

(also "Resh" seems to have gotten bigger over time, but started out as a skykid as far as i understand)

[worldly echo]

Yeah what's up with that big dead snow bird??

[waxen ermine]

Actually, thanks to this person’s calculations, we have approximate heights for the sky kids based on them in the office!

For fun I also used an online graph on kids ages and average heights, so the maximum age a sky kid is based on the tallest height is 6-8 years old

[long vessel]

I had the same view until recently, that the sun = rebellion and diamond = king. Until I finally heard another theory that makes sense and explains the Wasteland having the sun and being loyal to the king - their chosen symbols portrayed the way they view the darkstone tech. The actual civilians at the time, especially those who liked and used darkstone regularly, wouldn't have called it darkstone. I forget where it's mentioned, but I've heard it's called both "power diamonds" and I think "false stars" or something similar to that. Hence why they would choose the sun symbol - it symbolizes light and prosperity, which is what the King's original intention would have been and how the propaganda would likely continue to portray him, even as he was being corrupted by the power

Meanwhile, the rebels would see the tech for what it is: darkstones. Hence the plain diamond symbols - it's not the light or prosperity promised, it's just a hunk of processed mineral.

Just wanted to add an alternative view, the conversation was interesting to read

[waxen ermine]

According to a player who said it here before, in the early version of the game, you’d wake the bird and catch its spirit around the citadel in a similar way to the manta call guy (where you see multiple lights flying around)

But I remember skybot saying it’s dead now…

[grizzled vector]

That's an interesting perspective. Still can't say I'm convinced, but honestly at this point I'm gonna say I'll wait for Two Embers to hopefully clear things up. Until then, it would be nice if TGC could confirm it one way or the other because it's unlikely we will come to an agreement otherwise, and it would be nice to know what those symbols mean. But they might not really know themselves so I don't expect them to come up with an answer

And even if they do clear it up I'd much rather prefer they put some actual thought into it this time, to make sure they don't have to retcon it later

[waxen ermine]

Also according to the same post with the google doc heights of each elder:

Isle: 8’9 (hunched over)
Prairie: 15’5
Forest: 10’1
Valley: 6’5
Wasteland: 9’10
Vault: 5’2

Krill length: A whopping 69’8! And height is 6’2

[long vessel]

Jesus... so how big is the Leviathan?!

I didn't expect the krill to be so big honestly

[grizzled vector]

6'2" sounds pretty tame tbh, that's a height of a reasonably tall adult. The krill are huge compared to skykids but to be fair skykids are fairly tiny compared to actual humans. Max height skykid still barely reaches the door handle at the office