lore-discussion-spoilers

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#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[dire night]

Still kinda just think their souls. Like how ghost haunts places were they once lived.

[versed mirage]

I mean… I’m hoping the two embers sorta helps to elaborate on it. Cause it’s still hard to really pinpoint it down.

[dire night]

Those are purely gameplay. Those are not the skykids souls, the Children of Light are.

[upbeat notch]

I quit

[dire night]

I think the 2 embers will mainly focus on the people. At that time the king was the only Skykid that existed.

[versed mirage]

Yes, but it could give us some information to help figure it out

[dire night]

🫡 sorry soldier

[versed mirage]

The limbo state is something interesting to note in Sky

[upbeat notch]

Rude

[versed mirage]

Look, I don’t think we’ll reach an agreement with the whole WL imprint vs soul theory. I think maybe sit on it for a bit and speculate on something else for the time being.

[celest birch]

Honest to you all, I still have a headcanon that winged light are the remnants of the King´s being post-Shattering explosion and that Children of Light are the only corporeal form they´re able to take.

[upbeat notch]

But I proofed that winged lights arent souls

[versed mirage]

No I agree with you, but… I don’t know how else to sorta prove. It’s sorta going in circles

[celest birch]

While its actual true form is how we get it as, which is a light flame/spark with visible wings on it (aka the temporary form that is fragile and will vanish in time/instantly vanish in Storm Lock).

I know; is still fun to speculate on how those "gameplay elements" would work in-universe.

[celest birch]

Thus I said "remnants"; they aren´t a full soul, they´re fragments of one ... and seeing what happened during the Shattering, they´ll remain like that for good, as the King was literally eradicated.

[versed mirage]

King wasn’t ready for the chibi sliders

Wait a minute… could a chibi have chibi slid into the Eden shard and broke it?

[upbeat notch]

I got an idea for a theory:

[dire night]

We all have our opinions. But yhe theory falls flat once you realize the WL are in places that existed after the king died.

[dire night]

Sure go ahead

[celest birch]

My headcanon is that when the Diamond blew up, seeing how the King was literally trying to control it on his own (mural in Eye of Eden before the Road of Challenges/Dark Dragons and Battlefield), it TORE HIS VERY BEING APART and while absorbing most of it, the rest of it, which are wl, got scattered all over the Kingdom.

[versed mirage]

If you’re referring to seasonal content being added physically, it’s sorta implied it was there from the start… at least most of them…

[upbeat notch]

I uh...I got nothing tbh ^^" I just want people to theorize about whats going on in the picture

[versed mirage]

My guy is making one candle

[celest birch]

Which does answer that; the Shattering explosion scattered wl, remnants of the King, to these areas as well. :)

[dire night]

I am aware. I mean in places like the forgottan ark. The ark only became a place after the storm( where the king died ) or the repository of refuge,

[upbeat notch]

Him after a year of candel runs:

[versed mirage]

He didn’t wait for reset and went for the 3084 wax candle

[dire night]

Didn't we already yesterday? You sent that exact same picture 😅

[versed mirage]

Can you upscale the image a bit… I’m noticing something…

[celest birch]

The Ark is an area with Enchanters and the Repository´s guide is able to extract memories out of lamps. I bet they were able to handle wl the same way for some time. 🤭

[upbeat notch]

I can send you the source cause idk how to upscale

[versed mirage]

I’ll just find it

[celest birch]

As spirits, that is, before the Darkness petrified their husks and left them trapped as well.

[upbeat notch]

https://youtu.be/JeOzyoz6vj8?si=-Gv7ZPi9f97H6RsT to late lol

[upbeat notch]

Sorry I forgot I did that lol

[dire night]

So if the WL is a memory of the king, and the ark wasn't there at that time, does that mean the king remembers floating in a random spot in the dessert, and only after did the ark coincidentally shipwrecked in the same place?

[versed mirage]

Okay so I was rewatching it. I'm pretty sure that's an infection on her arm...

[dire night]

Yea i think its the same as what the skykids have. Darkness growing

[celest birch]

Thus wl isn´t a mere "memory", it´s a literal soul fragment of the King, imho; which would also answer ones found in Shard Memories.

[versed mirage]

Also the dark dragon in that trailer is INSANELY fast…

[celest birch]

When it comes to the Ark, I also wouldn´t be surprised if the Shattering explosion might be the very reason why it crash-landed in the desert in the first place.

[upbeat notch]

But his eye is red so he propaly got someone targeted

[versed mirage]

Good luck dodging that…

[upbeat notch]

especially when you cant fly...

[versed mirage]

A lot of the soldiers have big shields. Almost the size of a tower shield…

[dire night]

So your saying that that before the ark was there the WL just floated like this? For no apparent reason?

[celest birch]

Winged Light came with the Ark as is crash-landed. 🤭

[dire night]

Thats the entire reason it cant be the kinggg😭😭

I literally just said that😭😭

[versed mirage]

King do like his statues though....

[celest birch]

I then do wish to know how can you explain wl found in Shard Memories ... and how come Eye of Eden´s shards even have memories in the first place.

[dire night]

Yeah i think thats the battlefield

[versed mirage]

Also this protagonist literally just... eminates the hopeful steward vibes....

[celest birch]

Especially in Elders Memory where wl is literally 2 kids hugging each other.

[dire night]

The only thing im a bit annoyed by is that sky has no sense of scale about how close the mountain would look. Cause realistically the wasteland temple is at the foot of the mountain but here its still very far away. I hope they fix that

[upbeat notch]

Look at the cute light creature he got

[versed mirage]

Uhh that might be for gameplay reasons why they use portals to get around. Also Eden looks way healtier up there...

[dire night]

Yeah i think its because the King is busy initiating the darkcrystal. Thats why we see the Storm forming

[versed mirage]

That's a marketable plushie

[upbeat notch]

It grew too

[versed mirage]

Uhh that's the Castle... That's not the shard

I meant when you could see it as healthier, it wasn't emanating the red glow it normally has

[celest birch]

Manta plush. :3

[dire night]

This also doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. If the Boat is broken that would inply that it was after the shattering. But if its after the shattering this place would've been a lot more green( in that bad sense )

[versed mirage]

Specifically a Mantatee

[versed mirage]

Not really... It's a beach with sand

I really hope they make an item for two embers that allows us to see these areas like how they looked like this...

[celest birch]

This actually makes stuff that much more interesting because this implies this particular boat was ran aground before the Shattering.

[versed mirage]

Also look at the condition of the boat itself... It's like decaying similar to the wall.. They're just old...

[upbeat notch]

seem to have been destroyed recently tho cause I assume the stuff laying around the Boat are the goods it should have transported

[versed mirage]

If not, maybe it kinda goes to show how big the world was that this entire ship going missing and being abandoned didn't really cause anything...

[celest birch]

Yeah and yet it´s older than events of Twin Embers, which does imply that maybe the Leviathan could potentially be the oldest thing existing in the entire Sky lore. If the Leviathan would be the cause of it running aground, that is.

[upbeat notch]

Also this dark dragon seemd rather short, do Baby dark dragons exist?

[versed mirage]

I don't think it was short... I think it was probably high up and fast...

Actually, Eden's dark dragons used to have red crystals in them... If I remember correctly, do they still have them?

[upbeat notch]

Ya on second thought it looks bigger now

[versed mirage]

First and last mistake you're gonna make before that thing deletes you...

[upbeat notch]

Ya "Awwww look a baby dark dragon- OMG AAAAH"

[versed mirage]

Still... what is he going for... It's targeting something above everyone...

[upbeat notch]

Seal

[versed mirage]

He can take him in a fight...

I still really hope for this animation they stick to the show don't tell style of storytelling

[upbeat notch]

I heard that the characters wont speak but a narrator exists

[versed mirage]

Yea that's fine, as long as the narrator isn't too overbearing

[upbeat notch]

I hope its not gonna be like those kids shows where the narrator basically explains everything a character does

[versed mirage]

I doubt it, my guess is it might be on a similar level to the game, where you're told at the start, and that's pretty much it

[upbeat notch]

Wait we are told things at the start?

[versed mirage]

Yea in isle, we get told a bit

[upbeat notch]

huh I forgot

[versed mirage]

Granted, the new starting cutscene definitely changes a bit of the importance of some stuff, like the red candle

[molten dust]

Passive tiny crab in the enchantment shop
Discuss

[upbeat notch]

Maby a sorta test subject for spells and it got hit with a chibi spell and then a tiny spell?

[celest birch]

It´s not the only one as well. 🤭

[upbeat notch]

There are others that are this small?

[molten dust]

ITS NOT?? geometry dash spectra please

[waxen ermine]

It’s someone’s pet probably, like Pleading Parent

[celest birch]

Behind the Enchantment Guide in the Spell Shop; that tiny little rock is another tiny crab. Even though I honestly love the tiny cauldrons more. 🤭

[molten dust]

Gasp. awww

[molten dust]

Who was going to tell me there were murals in Eden

I just dragged a friend through (super willingly I prommy) and she had to stop and wait for me for a bit (like. Ten seconds but still)

[west crow]

There making a tgc show?

[upbeat notch]

Ya, Two Embers

[west crow]

Wow old eden looked so boring and sad

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https://youtu.be/JeOzyoz6vj8?si=-Gv7ZPi9f97H6RsT
https://youtu.be/KxHFy9503N4?si=C0AEu9HSqvTrtnzw
https://youtu.be/feOR2GZxs2s?si=l6MqzZ2_WjIxuk2F

[west crow]

Is there goung to be audio where the characters talk or is it free or paid also?

[upbeat notch]

The show is gonna be on netflix and apperantly the characters dont talk and there is maby a narrator

[west crow]

It would be cool if we could ride manatees

Welp it looks interesting I wonder when it launches

Might the two embers come as a season? Would be so cool-

[upbeat notch]

I hope so

[west crow]

Maybe that's probably next season who ever knows but are the main characters sky kids?

Forest also seemed to have actual life and leafs

Jenova Chen also talked about the season coming this year so I'm rlly excirsd for it now lol 😓

Ooo might we meet the king in the series?

[upbeat notch]

Since it plays WAY in the past we assume that the main character is the King

[west crow]

Welp I feel like the 2 skykids are the main characters, the king could be part of the climax in the story

[upbeat notch]

So this is according to the fandom wiki so it acctualy could be official: ||It tells the story of two children, and the drama about the two of them trying to help people. One of them seeks power to change the world, but in the process he’s corrupted and destroyed. The other one tries to save the world by convincing the former world to give up its power. It is mentioned that “the boy becomes a king” but it is unclear which child they are referring to.||

[west crow]

It seems to be the one with long hair, it seems to have the same look of prince alef

[wraith totem]

I literally have owned this game for less than half a day and already I'm coming up with theories
Unless I didn't pay attention to the beginning of the game, how do you think the sky kids are born?

[molten dust]

hehehehe. We love to hear theories here in lore chat (rubs hands together like an evil miscreant)

[wraith totem]

We have the flying thing. Not to mention the bird and moth capes. My theory is they are born from eggs

[molten dust]

interesting theory!

how far have you gotten through the game so far? any other lore chatters, we don’t spoil anything for new players

[wraith totem]

The eggs glow. Dim before they hatch and they are absolutely tiny. Like, fit in the palm of your hand small.
A momma will make their nest as comfortable as possible before the egg arrives. But the egg just manifests in light

I've only just gotten to the forest (3rd world)

[north niche]

this is word-for-word from an interview with jenova chen:
https://venturebeat.com/games/how-sky-the-children-of-the-light-broke-records-for-most-simultaneous-people-on-the-screen-jenova-chen-interview/

[molten dust]

Oooooh hehehe

I always wanna see new players reactions to certain things

[north niche]

speaking of eggs, did i forget what the eggs were for at the end of hidden forest? in the tree to the right of the temple entrance?

[wraith totem]

Maybe I might stream my next game

Damn now my brain is cooking

The egg isn't made the biological way. But a pair share their light together that is cultivated by love to start a new light. Gender doesn't restrict this process.

[molten dust]

gender is a construct that does not appear in sky much yes agreed

[wraith totem]

OOH

sun spots!
White dots like freckles!
They can fade as you grow older or grow brighter the longer you are in the sun!

[north niche]

thats a rly good cosmetic idea tbh

[molten dust]

if you do. please ping me in #promote-your-sky-content

[spiral vault]

maybe an Elder

Steward is a skykid who died and turned into a spirit

[versed mirage]

I had a theory the new guide was his mom, but I don’t think they might have any connections

[spiral vault]

Hopeful Steward would be the "child ghost"

I don't think so, there used to be tunnel away from the vault to access stralight desert. maybe the entirety of Vault is surrounded by a desert, and that's where we find crescent oasis as well

[west crow]

Might these 2 have connection?

[upbeat notch]

I got something different: We make candels made out of Wax which we made ourself, therefor we are bees! Lol

[dire night]

The vault is inside the mountain. Wouldn't really make sense if you can see the Mountain in the distance if the vault is inside It. I know it used to have a tunnel that led to the desert but not anymore. It was changed for a reason, to keep consistency.

[upbeat notch]

but the thing is that in the vault you teleport somewhere else so those Realms could still exist right?

[molten dust]

Imaginator let people experience the game and theorise /lh

[upbeat notch]

Lol sorry I was just trying to state the lore

[upbeat notch]

Also wdym by Lh?

[nimble ingot]

it is a tone indicator for "light hearted"

[molten dust]

It’s a tone tag! Stands for light-hearted. Im neurodivergent, so tonetags help a lot when I don’t know the tone of a message.

[upbeat notch]

ah thx

[nimble ingot]

They help show what mood you were going for when writing. Because it is sometimes hard to read between the lines just from the text alone.

[upbeat notch]

Tbh since I didnt know what lh ment I thought it was serious

[nimble ingot]

see lol.
Cygnus wanted to be light hearted, so added the tone tag to show it.
Otherwise, the message may be misunderstood.

[dire night]

I think its in some sort of dream realm. Alot of places you have to meditate to get to, mainly the vault and the elders. So i don't think they exist in a physical sense. I feel its kinda like, i dont know if yall know but in hollow knight there is a real world and a dream realm. The dream realm is real but its separate from the physical world.

I have noticed that the shard memories kinda tells the story of what happened to the kingdom.

Ok so we have i think 6 memories. This is purely speculative but if you look in another way it tells of everything the King tried to take light from and its consequences.

So he first tried to take the light from the Mantas and the Jellies(1st and 2nd memories).
As a result the darkness plants and the crabs started to apear.(3rd memory).
Then the King lead the whales to near extinction(4th memory).
Then the krills were created, either on purpose or by accident. (5th memory).
Then the shard was created and shattered Killing the elders(6th memory).
This is purely just a theory.

[grizzled vector]

There is still a tunnel from the Wind Paths that leads there and shards that falls there. The "tagline" for Starlight Desert when you enter it is "where dreamlike worlds collide" so it implies it's a "real" place where "the Veil is thin" or whatever and it might exist in more than one "parallel dimension" which is how the Prince was able to get through

I think they added the collab portal room mainly to add a way to access the Nine-Colored Deer area, since it might be located in some part of the Sky that would be awkward to access otherwise (could be the original Isle)

[dire night]

I knoww ive mentioned it so many times.😭 i truly believe they added it because they didn't know they were gonna do more collabs.

[grizzled vector]

You also meditate to access the Aurora season which takes you to the Coliseum. You also meditate at home to go back to where you were, and meditate to go back home. So it's not as though every time you meditate you go to some place that only exists in a dream

[dire night]

You are deeply confusing gameplay elements with lore elements.

[grizzled vector]

I'm responding to the speculation that collab areas don't really exist and are not canon because we meditate to get there

I doubt they would have added the Eye of Eden to the skyline of the Nine-Colored Deer season if they didn't mean to imply that all collabs are part of the Sky universe

Heck, there are places in Sky where Eden isn't visible and the NCD area is not one of them

Also if we're saying that none of what Season of Aurora is showing is canon part of the lore then we're pretty much throwing out most of the lore there is to speculate on

[nimble ingot]

The Vault has tunnels that lead to openings around the mountain.
Some like of these tunnels lead to area like that of Starlight Desert.

The update that changed this tunnel to instead take you to the mural room is for the game to group together season areas who were collabs (except for events like the cinnamonoroll apparently).
Despite that change that severed the connection between starlight desert and the Vault, these areas may still exist in the lore.
Albeit their canonicity is diluted with the season including details of their collabs.

We know neither the Little Prince or Aurora would exist in the canon lore of Sky. But the content their collab contributed to the season can arguable apply.

Dismissing it as part of collab is fine, as well as incorporating it to the lore.

What is a common factor is that the lore is open to interpretation. The game is the main platform we receive the lore. But we also learn more about the lore from other sources like the real life gatherings, concept art and the upcoming animation project.

I would say it is a shame to throw the baby out with the bathwater when we learn new info about Sky from collab seasons.

[upbeat notch]

Why do you think that?

[grizzled vector]

I mean to be heckin honest I'm pretty sure the fact that Sky is a game is "part of the lore" cause like... it's not a fully immersive experience, it leans on the fourth wall quite a bit. There's literally an NPC "skykid" that lives in the Office and talks about "the devs" throwing a party. There are Sky anniversary events. There are events tied to real world holidays etc

None of it is canonically "real" because all of it is canonically a game. But Starlight Desert is part of it

We're about to have Art of Sky added as a thing that's gonna be accessible in-game if you have the book in real life so like... yea

[dire night]

On an unrelated note i wanted to go look at the Sky lore wiki again, but it seems they are in the middle of re-doing it... so im kinda sad all the old more detailed stuff is completely gone now 🥲

[grizzled vector]

Also let's speculate how The Cackling Crab (Halloween area) fits into the lore

Does the wiki not let you look at the previous versions of the page?

[grizzled vector]

I know there is one "mural" (that shows people worshipping the King). Are there more?

[dire night]

Im sorry you think that but none of the collabs are canon. Why would a real world fairy tale, or a very popular real world singer be in the game then? Just cause its in the game doesn't mean its canon. If that were true we should also assume all the yearly events like Halloween and Christmas and Valentines day etc are also part of the games lore. I bet the office and the mario home is part of the lore too, but the people of sky just never noticed it. All these things are because TGC wants to do something nice for players, not because its canon.

Are you implying that every Skykid has a popup menu so they can choose expressions and spells, or is it just because its there so the player can play the game. You see what i mean.

No hate tho, buts thats my final take on the matter.

[grizzled vector]

Also on an unrelated note, are you the Apofiss that draws cats? Cause just wanted to tell you they're cute as heck

[dire night]

Not anymore 🥲

I actually cant believe how worthless the wiki is now. It used to have all the details, but now its like a summary oml 😭

[upbeat notch]

John I REALLY dont wanna upset you further but...could I tell you something

[dire night]

Go ahead 🥲

[upbeat notch]

Im maby wrong but you sometimes seem to take these things on an Emotinal level?

[grizzled vector]

Aurora was part of the game from before the Season that featured her as such (she is the voice that hums the song you hear when you enter the Isle and sings it during the credits). She also may have contributed some ideas during the development. So like, in real life she is a singer but relative to the world of Sky she kinda is literally a goddess of sort, an entity that was there from before the world existed and helped shape it to be what it is. She's not featured in-game as Aurora Aksnes from Norway, it's left vague what exactly she is in-universe, but both from what is shown and on the meta level, there is nothing about the Season of Aurora that stands out as completely incompatible with being part of the lore

[dire night]

Oh ma gosh i found the real one https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Amity206/Sky_Lore_Theories

[grizzled vector]

Cinnamoroll, yea, I don't really know how he belongs in Sky, but that's probably part of why he's a limited time event collab thing and there won't even be a portal back to that afterwards

Now, even though Sky is self-aware and leans on the fourth wall and "it is known" that "the universe" is really only five years old, it's also a universe that tries to tell a story. And not all parts of it are part of the story to the same extent. But I don't think it's as simple as saying "Starlight Desert was a collab so it's not a real place"

[nimble ingot]

written by one of our own theorists! ❤️
@brave patio

[grizzled vector]

The line between real and not real seems pretty fuzzy in Sky even for the things that are not collabs or real world references

[dire night]

Yea it might come off that way. Sometimes i just feel a bit frustrated that someone isn't seeing the same "obvious" signs i see.

I dont mean it, cause its not at all my place to tell you what to think.
Im just trying to help and explain the lore to someone as best i can.

If i think something i say is a theory i clearly state so because im very aware there isn't real evidence for it. But on the otherhand i have good reason and evidence to support most of the lore i give 🙂

Sorry tho if i come off as rude 😭

[upbeat notch]

Oh wow 🤩

[nimble ingot]

agree to disagree.

they may not be canon to you, but its not nice discouraging others who may think of Sky lore differently than you.

[upbeat notch]

Dont worry about it I acctualy relate to you cause Im the same

I didnt wanna start an argument so Ima just stop everyone here and suggest we start talking ABOUT LORE PLEASE

[grizzled vector]

But we can't talk about the lore until we finish fighting over what does and does not constitute the lore

I know, I'm being sarcastic

[upbeat notch]

Im bad at reading the tone of messages, sorry ^^"

[nimble ingot]

A nugget of wisdom from being on reading on sky lore for 3 years.

The lore is open to interpretation.
This makes canon lore one of several 'truths'
Which also includes the idea that fanon can also have some validity like that of canon.

Knowing where a bit of is from is important. And people are free to go with whatever works for them.

[upbeat notch]

Me personaly, I want this channel to be fun and not a warzone of whos opinion is right and whos is wrong so I would find silly lore like: "Sky kids are acctualy Moths or Bees" very welcome here

[grizzled vector]

Literally most of the "lore" we have to go on is Aurora (a collab Season) and concept art (by its very nature out-of-universe source that may or may not even be an accurate representation of the final game). And a lot of what ended up getting cut from the game was cut for reasons of gameplay or implementation difficulties. So yea, I don't think trying to draw some clear line between "the lore" and "the gameplay elements" is going to work

[nimble ingot]

Agreed.
A discord text channel is sadly not the best place to read about the lore without scrolling through years of messages.
It is a place do research on it though.

A better place would be forums dedicated to documenting and archiving lore.
A place where lore is collected, curated, sorted and stored in a place where people can read about it.
Wikipedia is a good start, as long as the information is accurate, and have sources to back itself up.

[upbeat notch]

Do we even know what this was intendet for when TGC made this thread? Was it ment for silly headcanons, lore that isnt taken seriously or was it made so that we discuss the accurate, proofed lore of Sky?

[normal mantle]

im not understanding who "king" and "prince" are (alef & resh?)
could someone enlighten me

[grizzled vector]

There are only hints in-game. Most of what is known about Alef/Resh is speculation based on concept art ideas that aren't really even part of the final game. But there is supposedly a Netflix series coming (Two Embers) that may tell a more complete story (if it ever releases)

[dire night]

So Resh and Alef are the King and Prince of Sky. Those names are concept names for them. They are the same being with the Prince representing when he was a child and King representing when he was an adult.

[nimble ingot]

As far as I know, this text-channel was started for players to talk about the lore.
It would be incredibly difficult for this channel to double as an official source for research with it being a long running channel of chats from several people.
It is more of a public forum than a repository (place to store information).

Put like this, this is more of the daylight prairie's chat room, than a vault of knowledge.

[dire night]

Hehe i got a silly conspiracy theory that TGC made this so they could steal lore ideas from players 🤣

[grizzled vector]

At this point we don't even know if "Alef" and "Resh" are the same person or the titular "two embers" of the story. But yea. Basically the gist of the story is the kid wanted to amass power to help the world but power corrupts and it didn't end well

In this case power seems to have literally corrupted him and destroyed him to the point where there isn't even a spirit left to save

[nimble ingot]

correct, aside from there is uncertainty on how the prince and king are connected.
There are theories that go along the lines of:

• the prince is a successor to the King (two people in the same time)
• the prince is the young version of the King (the same person from different times)
• the King is a 'mech suit' for the prince (just the prince acting as the king)
• and a long shot theory being the prince is the 'chosen one' to take the place of the king (which is similar to the first option. except it suggests that the prince was a skykid, or a child of light).

[upbeat notch]

This is important for this thread: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[grizzled vector]

At one point in the development process there seems to have been an intention to have "the King" featured as a final boss of sorts, and possibly have him be the player character's actual or metaphorical "father" but yea now he's basically just gone

[dire night]

The prince as far as i know was a skykid because we hug a skykid trapped in the Darkstone.

Its like how people believed Kings were chosed by god and thus had divine right to rule. In sky's case it is literal, with the megabird sending The Prince to rule sky. But eventually along the way, either influenced by the elders, or by his own, he got corrupted.

Thats why TLP collab ever happened. Because tgc took a lot of inspiration from it while developing the game. Just like in TLP, the story of the King is about to not give into grown up problems like greed, but to never lose your inner child.

That skykid in the Darkstone represents the inner child of the King( the prince ).

[grizzled vector]

Are you stating your opinion or an actual confirmed statement by TGC? Because you're saying it like it's a matter of fact but I get the impression that that's like, just your opinion

[upbeat notch]

Me?

[grizzled vector]

No, I meant Jonathan (the post right before mine)

[upbeat notch]

Ah woops sorry ^^"

[grizzled vector]

No worries 😊

[dire night]

The King is a skykid( fact but it may no longer be relevant seeing as well get new information from the 2 embers. If we do believe that the second child becomes the King that would completely change our previous assumptions about the game.)

TGC did take inspiration from TLP thats why their morals are so similar.

And i also do not have a lot of evidence for the last statement but i do believe its the best theory if you keep in mind that the King is a skykid.

(Wait i didn't elaborate my first response. It would change the entire lore because the child in 2 embors is a human not a skykid.)

[grizzled vector]

I'm just asking because, I don't mean to be tone policing but it gets kinda tiresome when people start stating their own speculation as if it was established fact, because then other people tend to pick it up and tell it to others like it's a fact and that becomes an "everyone knows" thing in spite of never really having been confirmed. Which is kinda counterproductive to the purpose of this channel

[dire night]

Im not saying its a bad thing but as the current lore stands, the king is a Skykid. If 2 embors tells otherwise, then we can start to theorize as to why it is like that.

[dire night]

You have to keep in mind that everything i am saying can also be found in the wiki. Theres is also a bunch of refrences if you want to know where it was extrapolated from.

[nimble ingot]

May I ask for your source that suggests the king is a skykid?

[dire night]

Sure give me a sec

[brave patio]

Omg yes I wrote that one!!

[dire night]

K here goes. The first in concept the Prince is called the seventh star. This is from the time where the Elders were also supposed to be fallen stars. I still believe they are but as it stands there is nothing in game proving this.

He falls just like the skykid did when we first started the game and has the exact same shape and form as a skykid.

We then get to a concept image where it shows that the prince has the same shape and glowing aura as the rest of the skykids after we rescue them. Also if we assume the skykid in the Darkstone is the prince we can also clearly see he is the same as the rest of the skykids after we rescue them.

Then finally we can base it off of the murals. In game the Skykids are represented by a circle head a simple body and 2 legs. The murals in the cave of prophecy depict the prince with these exact same design, except for a glowing halo or crown that is the symbol of the King. This is different from the people/spirits that are always shown as having 2 lines across their body (sorry for my crude drawings😭).
We also see in the mural in Eden that the one who holds the darkstone ( the king, because he has the same halo crown over his head )

[dire night]

Oml its an honor. Im a big fan 😱🥹 i was wondering if it was you cause i could have sworn i saw your name when you were typing.

Also while researching i realized the mural also shows the stars falling like in the aurora memory. This was years before it was shown but we just didn't know it 😱

[royal python]

so this game has lots of retcons to its lore?

[nimble ingot]

Murals may eb crude, but they do make an effort to differenciate characters from one another.
The King is shows to have a glowing halo on their heads.
Skykids have their auras on their chests, and their capes are marked with the lines starting at the shoulders and going up and beside the head.

These two designs are not the same, becuase they represent different characters.

It is true that the King cannot be saved in the game. Because this was scrapped during the game's development. We have a massive crystal that stand in their place called the Eye of Eden.

The figure we hug in the void of eden are what I nickname as the light kid. Becuase this figure is the light version of our skykid's dark half.
They unite and become a skykid.

This unity with a hug moment did show up in the game's early beta. Where the figure was originally found in Dawn. A realm we always have access to and are introduced to the realms. The devs at one point intended for the player to start out as a child of darkness instead of a child of light (aka the skykid without a cape), and in that time our skykids meet a light version who has a cape and offers a hug. This hug is how skykids would have gotten their light back.

Even though this moment was scrapped and later on moved to the end of the game. The symbology is still the same.
Two opposing halves become a whole, and thus balances out the light and dark.

The theory you present is a good one, though I am afraid to say it does not hold as much water as other theories that have a different take on the King.
And all of that has to do with the game simply not giving us that answer. The devs left this chapter blank for us to speculate over.
The evidence to support this claim would be from Ash's statements in this channel as well as TGC continuing to update the game with expansions to the lore.
Ash (TGC concept artist ) has this saying for a reason, WAFO (Wait And Find Out)

[dire night]

My theory makes up for all loose ends. Other theories do a good job but ultimately have a lot of open ends that doesn't add up. Id be glad if you prove the other theories to be correct, just as i have for the last hour 😅

[nimble ingot]

Some, yes. But most of it is up to the player's interpretation.

The seasons in the game expand on the lore.
Some of which may overwrite what a previous season may have established.

However, these changes usually have folks working on their own theories revise what they originally thought about the game.
One example of this is hide and sneak spirit.
Granted this spirit is not a season spirit, but the point still stands as the spirit used to be a full sized adult. But in one of the updates to the game, the devs changed to the spirit to a teenaged/child spirit instead.
This was around the time with season of Assembly, where we got to meet more child like spirits in the game.

[royal python]

ah yeah hide and seek spirit is interesting because they are far more childlike and they are also the spirit that gives the chibi mask. i assume this is what got people thinking that we are a separate entity from the ancestors in some way? i’m not sure how much i believe that theory, i think we are related to the ancestor (after all, they are our ancestors) but i can agree that we are not the same as them.

[nimble ingot]

I have not made many theories of the Sky prince becuase they have virtually little to no evidence of them in the game. The king by comparison has twice as much evidence, which is still very little to work with in terms of drafting a plausible canon for them.

I do have a theory when it comes to the old lore of Sky. But that wont be applicable to the current lore.
That and it very much relies on concept art, and not much from the old beta gameplay.

[royal python]

people were speculating that the prince was one of the two sky kids that we see in those animation trailers, right?

[dire night]

But in my example i not only showed 2 pieces of concept art and old lore but also showed the in game equivalent to them both. I used evidence that is in the game for most of my theory.

[dire night]

In my research i saw that its been confirmed by TGC that the boy is the one who will become king. If he is a normal child that would completely discredit my theory. Before it is confirmed in the series, i will uphild my theory. I watched all the promotional material we have of the series so far but the boys chest is covered by a shawl making it impossible to prove if the boy is a skykid or a spirit.

[nimble ingot]

The Prince only made on appearance in the game (that I know of), and that was in a small update during Eden's development.
This is sadly disqualified as canon based on it being scrapped before the game got released.

There are virtually no other concrete references to the Sky Prince in the game. Even though the King has some validity with them being shown in murals.
It is sadly not like the twins in Valley where they are rarely, if at all, shown separate in murals let alone in other appearances.

Concept art has its means to give indication to the game. However, as much as I am not a fan of this statement, concept art alone is not enough to support a theory. It is art that shows an idea TGC intended on adding to the game, but without evidence showing it made it to the game, it sadly does not hold up.
A strong example of this is the design changes of the ancestor spirits in concept art for their season.
There are some information that concept art can be gleamed off from, but with the same caveat that it lines up with the final product.

"... [W]e’ve been working on an animated series, which we hope can also bring a new audience to the world of Sky. We’ll release a teaser of the animated series. We were just making small videos for that. I have a high standard of quality, though. I just keep pushing the team, and now it’s almost like a Pixar movie quality. It tells the story of two children, and the drama about the two of them trying to help people. One of them seeks power to change the world, but in the process he’s corrupted and destroyed. The other one tries to save the world by convincing the former world to give up its power. The boy becomes a king."

source: https://venturebeat.com/games/how-sky-the-children-of-the-light-broke-records-for-most-simultaneous-people-on-the-screen-jenova-chen-interview/

• The animation series takes place in the past.
• TGC may have been cryptic on saying "boy" instead of a skykid. So it still a 50/50.
• One of these children bears a resemblance to the Hopeful Steward (season of revival guide). And if this is true, it would explain this spirits interest in Eden. A trait we only see with another set of characters, who were the guide of Shattering and the Little Prince.

hold up...
One wants to change the world, but ends up corrupted.
The other tries the save the world by convincing the other to give up their [corrupted] power.

This would be the most far fetched thought, much less a theory I would have.
What if these kids are like that scene in the void of Eden.
A child of darkness, corrupt and fallen from grace wanders the void. They finally choose to approach the child of light, who is alone and lost in the void.
One offers the other a hug, which surprises the other but accepts.

Both halves are lost, but also saved.
They become whole.

What if the eden void sequence is not just a moment we experience in the present. But a memory.
A memory that our skykids are reliving over and over agian.

[lucid bridge]

Floating particles in the cozy prairie hideout. I think there’s dark stone hidden in these walls.

[dire night]

The prince and the king are the same person. The reason you cant find the prince is because your looking for something different. Of course theyre not going to show the King and the prince seperatly because they arent 2 different people.

[nimble ingot]

The Prince is a small character, whereas the King is one of the largest.
Like I said in earlier messages.
The King has evidence, whereas the Prince has none (in game).
And while the concept art does show them together, there is a difference between them none the less.

Here is an example.

The layout references the Sky Prince ascending with the Skykids away from the King's body.
Eventhough, this is an old concept art, the two characters have been shown as a separate people.

While there are hints at them transforming, combining or whatever process of transformation. There are still points where these characters are reference separately, eventhough they are known to work together.

It is similar to the valley twins are the (singular) elder of the realm, even though they are separate characters. They work together, but are still their individual characters.

[dire night]

Ok the prince is obviously the younger version of the king. Through visual similarities and the fact that it is said here. They use prince and king interchangeably.

[dire night]

And also that proves nothing. In game the statues and the children of the light separate from one another. Does that mean the one gets to return to the stars and one has to suffer for eternity?

Or could it be easily explained by the body being leaved behind but the inner light gets to fly free.

[waxen ermine]

Oh while we have this image up, I want to remind people there is a shape in the Final Moment of Shattering that looks remarkably like the corrupt king's head but upside down (The thing at the top)

I would go to it in game but we have no darkness to clean

[dire night]

Yeah its cool. Ive seen people point it out 😄

[grizzled vector]

"The Prince flying out of the King's body" kinda reminds me of how butterflies fly out of dark plants when you burn them, or how manta spirits flew out of the Leviathan in the last Abyss quest. Maybe the Prince didn't "become" King so much as tried to make some sort of "deal with the devil" to become more powerful and fused with some dark entity that took over over time

[nimble ingot]

The statues in Eden?

The statues of the fallen are broken and the souls are able to ascend.
The stone husk and the soul were combined when the statue was whole, but then the soul breaks out and leaves the husk behind.

[waxen ermine]

I always had the theory that Prince Alef and King Resh merged, they're the two kids
In the same way kids accept winged lights into their bodies, he accepted/forcefully took Alef into his body
Which is why the concept art has him, and why the prince/light kid is seen inside somewhere in the game

[dire night]

Eh its a cool theory but we always see only one kid. I think there would've been hints in game if the 2 merged.

[waxen ermine]

I mean there was also concept text that said you go inside the king and the prince rescues you out.. I forget from where

[waxen ermine]

Oops its literally here

[grizzled vector]

Could be that "Alef" (Steward?) hugging "Resh" in the end was what caused the Shattering

Which of course killed everyone but by that point everyone dying could be a preferable outcome to everyone getting corrupted and consumed by the Darkness

[dire night]

Yeah? The Prince is corrupted and unable to ascend? The soul and the King were combined when the body was whole, but then the soul breaks out and leaves the corrupted body behind. What makes it any different than the statues?

[grizzled vector]

Also could be that "skykids" are children of Light and Darkness

[waxen ermine]

It did say in one concept art that the kids are neutral (They were in a venn diagram between dark and light

It had light creatures as pure light, darkstone as dark )

[hushed steeple]

Where did the name Alef come from? Wasn't it always Resh

[upbeat notch]

Alef is the prince Resh is the King, dont question why they have differnt names lol

[grizzled vector]

There is a character in some of the concept art referenced as "Alef"

[dire night]

Alef was the name when he was the prince, Resh was the name when he became King.

[waxen ermine]

This

[grizzled vector]

Or, again, Resh could be a dark entity that "consumed" Alef

[waxen ermine]

Wait, why are Elders in the dark side...
Is that why they're considered different from ancestors and Sky Kids?

[upbeat notch]

They are neutral Source:https://www.tomzhao.com/sky1

[grizzled vector]

Or could be that technically every skykid has an "Alef side" and a "Resh side" and it's up to you which one you let take over. The whole "inside of you are two wolves" thing

[waxen ermine]

Why do the elders lean more on the dark side/danger than the.... indifferent being????

[upbeat notch]

Well I mean they arent exactly "good" people...

[waxen ermine]

It's sad to think of them as dark beings, not good beings... I always saw them as wise mentors and friends
Now that I think about it, the ancestors had round features while the elders have stiff and sharp features... like villains

[grizzled vector]

I think the original concept for the Elders was that they were all corrupted and you fought each of them as some sort of a boss fight. Doesn't necessarily mean they're inherently "creatures of darkness" just that they're devoid of Light when you meet them (same reason Ancestors are blue, blue is "lacking warmth" because they're dead and have no light)

Again, we gotta also keep in mind what stage of the development the art is from. Which is kinda hard but it looks like this image is from the stage when they still had Elders as bosses and those star shaped things were turrets

[waxen ermine]

Wait, where's the confirmation they were bosses?

[dire night]

I doubt we were ever gonna fight them. The only one we got close to fighting was the King.

[grizzled vector]

I don't have it saved but I seem to recall getting that impression from some of the concept art commentary

Maybe not literally fighting them like Shadow of Colossus or whatever but I think they were originally meant to be corrupt and dangerous creatures when we encountered them, before we somehow un-corrupted them

I mean original Elders looked more like robots or whatever. Or some weird mutated monsters. Or both. The Elders we see now are not necessarily the same concept as the Elders on that concept image

[upbeat notch]

Nah they good, Ignore the last one https://www.tomzhao.com/sky1

[waxen ermine]

He was probably supposed to look scary but is as friendly as the rest

[grizzled vector]

I think the last was "Tsadi" (Wasteland elder) who yea was supposed to be visibly corrupted

[upbeat notch]

Oh wait you ment those Elders? https://www.tomzhao.com/sky1

[grizzled vector]

I'm talking about this picture that suggests that Elders are "creatures of darkness"

And again, we can't take blue to automatically be "color of darkness" or Cinnamoroll is also a creature of darkness

[dire night]

I dont think they were ever gonna be robots its just that gheir masks were more detailed. We do see some robot creatures tho 👁👁

[grizzled vector]

I don't think they were literally robots but they seemed to have a theme going towards relying more on technology and consuming "nature" in the process

Similar to how in Journey the magic scarves are fed into the machines that make the Guardians

[waxen ermine]

Found this image while scouring Tom Zhao's art, hopefully the text is clearer

I've seen some people say this machine is for crushing mantas, it's not true at all
It's for refining dark stone into diamonds (notice the people mining in some memories?)

It's like how we drill for oil, but it's not useable until it's refined

[grizzled vector]

Except for the "imbued with energy" part, that's where the mantas come in

[waxen ermine]

They seem to call the diamonds artificial stars

Interesting stuff about the doors

Interesting observations:
-Isle of Dawn was going to be dark
-Vault was supposed to be a night city
-Blue seems to be referring to ancestor colors, not evil

Oh my god... Sky kids could be corrupted (Descendants)

Ancestors confirmed to be incapable of flight, even if they have capes

So the ascended form is called "Enlightened"
(Apparently they can become ghosts?)

[dire night]

I just looked at the meaning of each name from the Prince and The King. The other elders names also has a lot of cool details.

Alef( א )(Prince): Represent 1 or the first. It also represent oneness with God. This fits with him being the first skykid.
Reish( ר )(King): Represents head or leader. Pretty self explanatory
Dalet ( 𐡃 )(Isle): Represents a door or passage. It represents getting to know who you are and returning to the all powerfull Alef.( thats what it says its not my own theory).
Dalet( ד )(Praire): Represents nothing or indifference. This fits because he seems to have been the only elder who was not involved in any of the conflict.
Teth( 𐡈 )(Forest): Represents the first part of goodness. It is used to describe God's reaction to the creation of light, yet it's followed by His separating light from darkness. This fits because she was the one who was the one who created the darkstones, separating light and darkness to create them.
Samekh( ס )(Valley): Represents to support. Because they are a sister and a brother combo they always support one another.
Tzadei( צ )(wasteland): Represents the strive to be true, loving justice and fair. This fits the elder because he was the most loyal to the king and was the the one who carried out justice going to wars in the Kings name.
Lamed( ל )(Vault): Represents both teaching and learning. Also pretty self explanatory.

[waxen ermine]

Firstly, wow! Whale is huge compared to Sky Kid, second, their bones are made of charcoal, similar to... to ancestors??

Not sure why this dark creature is put alongside manta... But apparently they could die and be saved
Also its dead body leaves a darkstone, or what looks like darkstone

[dire night]

I think it turns to charcoal after they get killed. It would fit with the whole extinction theme the whales have. Fossils usually turn to charcoal if left long enough. I think thats pretty cool

[dire night]

That one is a cut concept for the krill. I dont think its relevant.

[waxen ermine]

Intereresting Prairie stuff, give it a read

It also mentions entering the belly of the whale which was part of Campbell's hero's journey thing I was talking about a while back... Time to update it

Interesting lore:
-The towers at bird's nests are either food+water shops/supply stores for the creatures
-Praire elder is referred to as "Builder ancestor" who used to support migration but he's asleep and "disconnected". You wake him up, he realigns the misaligned wind statues.
-The old capital was apparently in the prairie, built for wind travel, rest stations, boat repairs and coexisting with creatures

[celest birch]

I do wish that we´d be able to save Krills though.

[waxen ermine]

This one for Valley mentions "Meeting the Goddess", another Campbell's hero stage and it's used to refer to Valley elders

Interesting lore:
-Creatures are scared away by king's symbol
-The twins had ceremonial spectacles to honor the king's victories in the Dark Stone era
-It's then made clear what the victory was over: Celebration of ancients' victory over the creatures and emancipation from Fire Worship Race (so there was a race of people who worshipped fire, then they left?). Race presents a story of creatures attacking, the ancients using dark stone to defend themselves, the ancients won
-There are ancestors who were honored as large statues, they rose to divine status
-The king was coronated at the ampitheater
-Upon leaving the beautiful valley, you see the dark dusk realm with creatures' bones in cages, signifying the extent of the "ancestor's disconnection"

[dire night]

Yeah meetimg of the goddess means when you meet someone on your path and they give a reward after. Famous example of this trope is the meeting of Galadriel in Lord of the Rings, where she gives them all a reward. My guess is that each of the valley elders would've gived us something after we raced down with them.

[waxen ermine]

So these guys were literally killing light creatures
I thought the light creatures were caught in the crossfire between two people, but it turns out not to be the case

Aww that's so sweet, Wasteland Elder would've fought off creatures for you

Oh my god, so Eden was a holy land, and they hated the creatures entering it, so they did whatever it took to get rid of them

These things are called Memory Cubes
Im pretty sure they're treated the same as books (vault was called library earlier), they're even in shelves at the enchantment ark

Something about "echoes of memories left in mountain from souls travelling over the mountain"

Doesn't that last one look like the king pointing at a light creature? Or is it a dark creature? Hard to tell

Different constellations for some areas
Isle had a boat
Forest had a diamond
Valley had a manta
Dusk had a fossil

King throwing spear definitely is animated... Notice he moves his arms (also he shines a light from his eye down onto the ground, like a krill)
It was probably a game mechanic to evade his spotlight eye

We can also see the prince in the second image
Did we burst the king using our candle light, and then the prince emerges from it and takes you up? Or was it that the kid failed and got trapped in the king

Megabird in the last one, they look massive! It reminds me of seeing a sunrise from outside earth

https://tenor.com/view/amanecer-sol-planeta-tierra-sunrise-gif-14629719

Wait... is Megabird the sun all along? We do see the sun at sunset time in the game, but I never thought to look around and see if we could spot it at other times
And the people with the sun on their shields...??

Anyway sorry for hogging the lore chat, that's all I have to say

[delicate plinth]

Not necessarily the sun sun but because it is the embodiment of Light in some sense, then technically yes. The same way whenever we think of light we associate it with the sun

[delicate totem]

What about the two winged light at the final shard memory? it's the only time there are two in a singular winged light

[grizzled vector]

Strictly speaking, a "winged light" is what we get out of it. You also get an equivalent of a "winged light" for each spirit you "ascend" and the game describes it as the spirits "lending their strength" to you. So it's possible that there is only one "winged light" worth of "strength" between them to collect, but they are still two different entities

"One winged light worth of strength" part would especially make sense if you consider that "Resh" was essentially a being of darkness at that point and had "negative amount" of winged light

[grizzled vector]

This was the original version of what was supposed to happen at the Eye of Eden at the end of the game. Essentially, a bunch of skykids (the players) were supposed to travel up there and then move through the Eden area with "Resh" shooting lightning and stuff at them. Then apparently the players were supposed to choose the "strongest" among themselves and pool all their winged light to that person who would then "face" "Resh"

It's possible that this is what has actually already happened. For gameplay reasons they cut it from the gameplay, but this could still be the story. A bunch of skykids went there trying to reach Resh. Most of them "died" on approach, or rather got "petrified" and are now stuck in that state (some seem to have had their bodies irrecoverably destroyed but we don't talk about that)

In the end, one of them succeeded in reaching "Resh" and giving him a hug and transferring just enough light to restore him to "one winged light worth of strength" which essentially neutralizes the dark entity that was "Resh" and leaves just one "restored" soul stuck in the shattered crystal. It also may have caused the Shattering to start with and killed everyone else, but by that point that could have been the better of the available options

Then we as players are the "follow up team" there to try and reach the fallen and give them enough light that we can all die properly and return to The Light instead of being stuck in some corrupted limbo state indefinitely

[shut spindle]

im convinced that the children of the light are supposed to symbolize doves atp, they have so many emotes that remind me of bird behaviour and doves symbolize light and peace

[west crow]

Ooo I saw one down aviary? Season Seak peak prob?

[spiral vault]

i think it shows the death of all the creatures- mantas, jellyfish, crabs, whales, and krills- from the eden diamond.

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

Here's all the poems, most of them show the creatures being attracted/sucked in by the eden diamond

[fast cave]

I really like this a lot

[spiral vault]

not really; the only ones I can think of are the starlight desert tunnel (not really affecting anything)

[spiral vault]

curse you ambiguous pronouns...

[fast cave]

There's a dragon to defeat?

[grizzled vector]

The shared memory spells used to be blue candles. They changed them to the current "memory crystal" appearance halfway through Remembrance to make them more aligned with shared space spells added in that season. They also "retcon" areas when adding entrances to new seasons. But as far as lore retcons, there aren't many that we know of but in all fairness there isn't much explicit lore to retcon in the first place

Try searching for Sky concept art

[fast cave]

What is that thing in the light of the mountain

I'm wondering because it seems it could be really interesting

[brave patio]

I believe it’s part of Eden’s city! They seem to have levitated it into the air for whatever reason

[fast cave]

Interesting. I didn't see any levitating parts when I was in eden. Granted, I've only been there once and I was too busy trying to get as far as I could

[brave patio]

I think we enter flying part (Eden spoilers) ||after we die and enter the glowing city thing||

[fast cave]

Ohhh yeah that part

[wraith totem]

What is everyone's theories on the masks? Do we need them? Are we born with them? A rite of passage into being a free flyer?

[royal python]

i’m not sure but a lot of the masks have that diamond shape on the forehead area which i find interesting, however it doesn’t seem to be made of dark stone

[wraith totem]

Perhaps it the 'third eye' aka how we are able to see the markers and all of our friends

[royal python]

so is the mountain itself vault and then we at some point reach a point on the mountain where it becomes eden? sky’s geography is so weird. and also it seems that wasteland is in some way underneath valley?

[fast cave]

Yeah thats confusing

Wait how is wasteland underneath valley?

[royal python]

i was going based on the concept art. i don’t think it’s directly underneath but concept art seems to refer to it as the “under city” of valley. basically because when you enter into wasteland the first place you go is DOWN through those clouds.

[royal python]

why is mega bird outside the diagram??

[upbeat notch]

Cause Megabird is only a state for the creatures of light

[grizzled vector]

I think the Vault was built into the mountain. I.e. the mountain was a Holy Site first, but over time they stopped worshipping the Light and started exploiting it. Building the Vault into the mountain and the "Eye of Eden" on top of it was the culmination of that

[royal python]

hey so i was scrolling up in the chat and looking at the concept art and it seems that instead of krill in wasteland we actually had to watch out for the blue light from the buildings?? and it also seems like resh had a blue light himself (although it was in monochrome). so since it seems the ancestors had a war against the creatures of light and didn’t want said creatures going to the “holy land”, that is possibly why the krill attack us, because we have light?

[royal python]

why do you believe this?? like what made it a holy site?? also i’m confused what the giant pillar of light is in eden that leads you up through the city, is that part of why you believe this?

[grizzled vector]

Tom Zhao labeling it a holy site made it a holy site, because they apparently gave the responsibility of world building to the concept artist and then tried to just literally put those drawings into the game as closely as they could. Refer to the drawing Imaginator posted just a bit earlier. A "holy site" where dying creatures go to ascend and rejoin The Light is just part of the Sky cosmology/ecosystem. I don't think there's much point to asking "why" because I don't think even the game's creators really thought about it that deeply

[waxen ermine]

? Where? If you mean in the houses, it’s probably stored like books as general decorations

[waxen ermine]

Probably not, maybe metaphorical

It seems to be written the same way as other Campbell hero journey stages, but this isn’t a stage I could find in it

[waxen ermine]

Diamond shape masks seem to signify people who work with diamonds specifically, like Forest Elder (who makes them) and Vault Elder (who uses them)

So they likely signify jobs or stuff , like hats? The warriors (and ones in training in Valley) have spiky looking masks

A lot of animal masks from isle, like season of passage and prophecy, probably to show their spiritual connection to nature and stuff

Oh wait I mistook your meaning of diamond shape in the forehead, so sorry

[grizzled vector]

In the concept art there is a page that shows Descendants ("skykids") as a sort of "hybrid" that has traits of both the nature/Light and the Ancestors (who use technology). For Ancestors, the masks seem to be part of the "technology" thing they have going, and for the Descendants it just seems to be one of the things they "inherited" from the Ancestor side of things.

The very idea of them being hybrids may or may not have been scrapped down the line, but masks stayed, most likely because it's a character customization thing and MMOs love character customization options. In-universe they could be anything from some augmented reality thing, to PPE, to a way to allow them to work with spiritual things that are normally invisible, etc.

There are options that are just face paint rather than masks, so we clearly don't "need" them, but there does seem to be a strong tradition towards using them for whatever reason

[waxen ermine]

I also wonder why ancestors attacked and killed light creatures in the first place, they innocently fly around and do nothing

I wonder when they were starting to use technology, light creatures were attacking them, because of the harm it was doing to the environment

The ancestors saw it as unprovoked attacks and started killing them en masse, even seeing it as victories and celebrating those victories in the valley

And then the Aurora memory of wasteland where tons and tons of light creatures were being killed… and the fact that they deliberately kept out light creatures from the Eden holy land so we see none in Eden

But some ancestors still kept light creatures as pets, like the kid in Aurora’s concert mourning the death of a manta, and the kid in the two Embers having a pet manatee

Oh yeah, there was still sun shields and diamond shields
Perhaps the “fire worshipping race” was outraged for the technology race killing all the light creatures

[grizzled vector]

Probably because of this part

[waxen ermine]

They really did drain light from creatures… and butterflies
That’s why they’re in the jars…

It’s sad that this lore was kept even in season of abyss with the manta eggs and elder manta being drained of light

Is that why mantas were in cages during the Valley Aurora song? I always thought they were capturing them to use as mounts

And those strange cases of caged jellyfish… like the baby jellyfish caged in Sunny Forest, and how in the Aurora concert, they were all trapped with a wooden barricade and broke out free (maybe they were blocked from interfering with mining, but we see in that one memory, a miner nearly falls to his death and a jellyfish catches him, then the miners all wave gratefully to the jellyfish as they fly past)

[waxen ermine]

Something that may be more of a game mechanic than actual lore, but I noticed bells seem to summon animals

-The birds and mantas in Praire
-Jellyfish in Forest
-Mantas and elder mantas in Sanctuary

Also butterflies being summoned with deep calls

Maybe light creatures are drawn to specific sounds

[molten dust]

the who WHAT
THE WHAT LORE IN THE ABYSS
WHAT

[versed mirage]

Yea the Abyss area was pretty dark lore wise what they were doing there

[grizzled vector]

There are some "murals" underwater in the Treasure Reef. There was also some concept art mural of them experimenting on manta eggs and producing something that looked suspiciously like a krill bit I believe that mural didn't make it into the actual game

[waxen ermine]

Please see here

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[waxen ermine]

Draining light from them into the nearby power diamonds through tubes

[versed mirage]

The last part of the second mural looks like they were building them

[grizzled vector]

Simply draining light wouldn't result in a monster though, it should just result in a dead manta

[versed mirage]

I think they modified the eggs to try to make something new

[grizzled vector]

Yea it's unclear what exactly they were doing there. It's possible they were trying to get them to "evolve" into a creature that's more convenient for the light extracting industry

Sky creatures seem to "evolve" more like pokemon than real life animals so it's possible that's what they were trying to induce

That said, my understanding is that this art is not necessarily canon so it's unclear if that's what was actually happening

There are murals in the Abyss area that show them something to mantas, but not the mural linked above

[waxen ermine]

There is definitely a benefit to having larger light creatures, the canon mural shows the bigger the manta, the more diamonds they power up

They are probably eyeing an elder manta below and figuring out how to grab it

[grizzled vector]

Assuming that is an elder manta and not a leviathan

[versed mirage]

But could it have been at some point?

[grizzled vector]

I mean... I am not a fan of that theory but Sky biology being what it is, anything is possible I guess

[versed mirage]

The game doesn’t really have an instance of anything like it happening…

[waxen ermine]

The closest we have is crabs, there are neutral crabs who don’t attack, you see them at Sanctuary and one time at a party where there was a crab wearing sunglasses

And dark crabs, which drip darkness and attack players

Also a canon mural in the forgotten ark area, shows crabs peacefully living in a pond
Then ancestors came with their jars and collected water
It had gotten to a point where the pond was so drained that the crabs retaliated and chased them away

[versed mirage]

This mural makes me think they needed more of whatever was on the right to make whatever was on the left

[molten dust]

every DAY I WAKE UP-
Sigh
Thank you Star!

[waxen ermine]

Found a canon mural of the Leviathan

So we can confirm the scrapped murals, the big multi eyed creature is the Leviathan

[molten dust]

Lore. Chat.

Who/what do you think made the murals we see, and when? Discuss!

[waxen ermine]

Good question, uhh….

[quiet monolith]

the elder's?

bc there a lot of murals near the temples and who else could? muralist from enchantment?

[novel slate]

chat, what is sky lore honestly?

[devout forum]

Well....... hehehe the lore is still unknown, everyone has it's own opinion

[molten dust]

hell

[rapid latch]

Take the l manta

[molten dust]

Actually Yknow what. GOOBERS ASSEMBLE. @brave patio @nimble ingot @upbeat notch @grizzled vector

(waves at amity) hi I saw your blog

[nimble ingot]

I have no idea, lol.

I am very jealous of the paint they use though.

My best guess is its an ancestor like the muralist from enchantment.

[upbeat notch]

Ok so the Murals, I would assume that they were made by ancestors tho there also seems to be a bit of light magic involved because the murals only show up when you light a candel under them OR if you complete a season quest

[brave patio]

I see that I’ve been summoned!! It looks like the murals were painted using some sort of glowing paint. I think it reacts to light, as we see that some have faded and only reappear when we get close or light a candle.

We know Nodding Muralist painted the ark, and we can assume Crab Walker made the murals in the crab caves, but other than that we don’t know a lot about who could have been going around leaving murals everywhere. Perhaps it was just common practice to record your history in murals?

[molten dust]

I hope you don’t mind me summoning you

[upbeat notch]

What I also noticed is how the ancients instead of having books made out of paper/wood they use stone tablets (source for the picture: https://youtu.be/feOR2GZxs2s?si=rXxg-nW3I8ekdtKX)

So for example history Books writen by the ancients would have been on Cave walls or other large stone things

[brave patio]

Oooo yeah!! We also see scrolls in places like Harmony Hall, but those could have been invented later

And since paper doesn’t last as well, maybe they still wrote the most important things on stone

[upbeat notch]

Maby when it got more industrial/they became more detached to nature and the light they used Scrolls

[waxen ermine]

It could be following how real life writing went, from
Clay tablets, to paper, to digital

[upbeat notch]

Talking about digital, there is acctualy electricity in sky which I never thought of but there is

[waxen ermine]

Technically yes
Except this electricity takes from nature instead of being generated with water

[upbeat notch]

Wdym?

[waxen ermine]

We don’t get electricity from killing animals, we get it from putting water into generators that turn perpetually to make electricity

Also wind and solar power

Something I realized about the Two Embers

The two kids don’t live in the same time period
The king lives in the past,
The future kid with the manatee lives in the future with ruins and plants growing over buildings (which happens with things that are abandoned)

[upbeat notch]

But we still have electricity in modern sky tho

[upbeat notch]

This electricity

[brave patio]

I feel like that’s more like light technology, like skykids using our light to activate it

Idk if the devs were thinking about potential implications there

[upbeat notch]

yea I know I was just confused that this kind of technology exists in sky

also It doesn't regenerate our light

[dire night]

Hehe a summary of half of the stuff added to sky🤣 ( the bottom part )

[grizzled vector]

There is lightning in Sky so there is technically electricity. But I don't think that prop uses electricity. It looks analogous to something that would use electricity in real life but in Sky they have Light magic so electricity is kinda redundant

[leaden onyx]

Omg guys this chat is so interesting wth

I have SO MANY QUESTIONS you guys are using terminology that I have never even heard in this game I’m so lost but this is SO INTERESTING

[upbeat notch]

But the thing is it doesnt recharge our light

[upbeat notch]

You got any questions about the Terms we use?

[royal python]

okay this is more of a joke but with exhausted dock worker, how the hell did they get a boat into that area in caves?

[tough sky]

Maybe Nesting Guide and Flight Guide are related

The Nesting colours are similar to the Flight ones (blue and yellow)

And we can see on a picture that Nesting knows Forest Elder
Maybe they studied with them, like Flight studied with the Prairie Elder

[tough sky]

I thought that maybe there was more water before but I remembered that most boats in the game float on clouds

So maybe it simply floated there

The cave seems to be a sort of warehouse for pots

[upbeat notch]

Why do I keep on thinking of Light creatures as being part of a Hivemind lol

[spiral vault]

my oomfs got exploded by a big rock

[lofty bramble]

my personal interpretations of the storytelling in the realms; im not super up to date on every piece of lore in existence with this game these are based on some pretty surface observations. just wanted to get this outta my system

[spiral vault]

Isn't that just a light orb prop?

[upbeat notch]

No because you can turn it off

[grizzled vector]

But that doesn't mean it's powered by electricity. Electricity, strictly speaking, would imply there are electrical power generators, electrical power grid, etc. This prop is something you can stick in the ground in the middle of a forest and it will still glow. It's just a neat prop that glows. I wouldn't draw any far reaching lore conclusions from that

[upbeat notch]

ok...but how does it work tho lol

Im joking

[grizzled vector]

How does anything in Sky work? My guess is it's some sort of Light-based tech but it's too dim to actually recharge us. Like, a butterfly does not normally recharge more than a tiny bit of your energy and that "spends" the butterfly's entire energy reserve (though you can hold it and it will recharge you much faster and I'm not sure how that works either). With this lamp, it's possible that if you touched the orb it would recharge a tiny bit of your cape and stop working, and with that understanding the characters just... avoid touching it

But yea I think it's just a neat prop that glows. Asking how it works is like asking how the anniversary seashell plays music

[upbeat notch]

To be honest everytime a Butterfly lands on my hand and it just slowls down drastically...that kinda feels like we are just draining them beyond their limits...is that only me?

[royal python]

reminds me of tower of babel

[lofty bramble]

its true! its all hubris and greed

[grizzled vector]

Logically, that area would be connected to the "open sea" or at least some sort of waterway by which the boats could ferry the jars from the Prairie, most likely to the underground mines in the Forest. For level design purposes, that would mean they'd have to add a channel out of there and then add some sort of a way to block the player from actually exploring further. I guess that was too much work so they kinda just made this weird area that looks like a dock and tries to make it not too obvious it's just a little puddle that doesn't go anywhere

[royal python]

are the krill corrupted manta? i think that could be interesting with your theory as i think some murals in the uh treasure reef whatever it’s called place had murals showing that we turned manta into krill. that could further show us hiding from the consequences of our actions

[leaden onyx]

More the names I’m confused about than terms per say

[upbeat notch]

Isle – Daleth (ד)
Prairie – Ayin (ע)
Forest – Teth (ט)
Valley – Samekh (ס) (They share a name, though the fandom refers to the spiky hair twin as Sah and the bobbed hair twin as Mekh.)[1]
Wasteland – Tsadi (צ)
Vault – Lamed (ל)
Prince – Alef (א)
King – Resh (ר)

[leaden onyx]

Like who is king who is prince what is a megabird why are ancestors not so nice etc

[grizzled vector]

Yea it does feel like we overcharge them but they seem to be on afterwards so 🤷 I'm guessing the way they naturally "feed" is by absorbing the light from the "sun" like some sort of a natural solar battery, and we're pushing them to absorb more than they normally would need to, but that does not necessarily damage them. Maybe if we used the same butterfly to recharge all day it would be bad but one recharge is probably fine? Hopefully? 👀

[leaden onyx]

Are these the names of the spirit we see in the temple at the end of each realm (elder?)?

[royal python]

mega bird is basically like the personification of all light in the game and i think it’s also the giant glowing orb you see at the end of the game that everything extends from. king and prince are seemingly the same person, they are kind of like the eden elder though i don’t think they are an elder. the prince seems to be a child of light, and the king is like the corrupted prince or something. i’m not too sure about that stuff though i don’t know much about it 😭

[upbeat notch]

Yea exept King and Prince arent really in the game

[leaden onyx]

Oh I was gonna say what Eden elder😭thank u!!

[upbeat notch]

My question still is: Are we light creatures a Hivemind?

[grizzled vector]

There is a hypothesis that they are corrupted manta. They don't look anything like manta to me so I don't like that hypothesis, but that doesn't necessarily mean that's not something TGC would do. There is concept art for light creatures corrupted into something that resembles "proto-krill" of sorts. You don't see those in the game but it's possible throughout the game development process they "evolved" into the krill we see today. Not in a lore sense but in a meta "gameplay iterations" sense

[royal python]

to me it’s always seemed like the butterflies were happy to give us light and the reason they fly away is just how the game mechanics work. like they come flying right back to you if you call them

[leaden onyx]

Have we ever seen them in game or do you guys know of them from some other source?

[tough sky]

Concept art mostly

Their presence is hinted at at most in game I think

[upbeat notch]

Concept art mostly tho I think we saw Prince

[leaden onyx]

So sorry for all the questions but concept art from who..?

[royal python]

no i don’t think so. i think we all just originate from the light. i mean in a way you could say we’re a hive mind because i think we all make up mega bird (one entity), but we are not a hive mind in the sense that we act as one entity. i think we are individual entities.

[grizzled vector]

Most of the lore speculation comes from the concept art by Tom Zhao which essentially gives the broad strokes of what the original intentions for the story looked like. Not all of it made it into the final game and not all of it is necessarily canon but it's all we have for now

[leaden onyx]

Ahh I see

[upbeat notch]

Maby its like...a Hivemind with character? Lol (Sorry Im just so tired Idk what Im doing lol)

[royal python]

bravo Tom Zhao 👏👏👏

[grizzled vector]

Also the "names" for the Elders are just concept art names that are not necessarily canon. They're really just letters of the Hebrew alphabet. It's like calling them X, Y, Z, etc

[spiral vault]

king is just another term for the elder of eden, but they're completely dead

[grizzled vector]

The way I see it, the "megabird" is a "hivemind" and we join it for a time when we die, but then we leave it to be reborn as individual entities

[spiral vault]

i really dont think concept art should be that necesary, it's not that useful for the actual current lore

for example the king/eden elder appears in murals

[royal python]

as i said i think we all come from one entity (the light), but we are still individual people. like im guessing here but if we are a mix of light and dark, then i think the dark gives us our own individuality (themes of isolation), however we also have light and much of this game is about building friendships (themes of connection)

[spiral vault]

what dark do skykids have? all darkness seems to kill them

[grizzled vector]

Yes and no. The "king" is referenced on the murals but the concept art gives context. Without that context, you could speculate the murals show something else entirely

[leaden onyx]

Just checked Tom zhaos website it’s so cool

[spiral vault]

there's also the mural at the end of vault, it's easy to infer there was an elder of eden but something bad happened to them, siimilar to how there's no eden spirits

[tough sky]

Our "shell" I guess

After we go through Eden, in the room we are also separated into what I interpret as our body and our light and we have to reunite with our light to get to Orbit

Also
And this is from Light Awaits so not canon anymore
But apparently, when first starting the game, the slykids would only be those dark "shells" until getting to the temple and finally get light

[royal python]

well idk if it’s necessarily darkness, idk what it is, i’m pretty new to the lore. but the way i interpreted the void part after eden is we are reuniting a physical body with its own mind and everything with light (which as i’ve been interpreting it, doesn’t really have a mind of its own). i think it’s more about the separation of the spiritual world (the light) and the material world (the dark). cuz we are living in a material world and i am a material girl…

[grizzled vector]

Sure, you can infer something bad happened in Eden, but not necessarily that there were entities called "prince" and "king" – that comes from the concept art

[leaden onyx]

And what about the whole elders not being great people thing that was being discussed please info dump on me

[royal python]

info dump on me too

[spiral vault]

then how can we be sure they're called that in the current lore?

i just don't want everything to be based on a thing that isn't canon

[tough sky]

We can't

[grizzled vector]

It's unclear if the Elders are even people. They seem more like demigods. They are not simply very old Ancestors (the "spirit people")

[spiral vault]

the elders were powerful, but they were not perfect, they had flaws like everyone else in the old civilization and made mistakes in the long term

[royal python]

if something in the game directly contradicts with concept art, then the game overrules the concept art. the concept art also doesn’t confirm anything or make anything canon, but it is a good basis because much of the game seems based on it and we can gauge what kind of ideas the devs had for the story.

[royal python]

they were the first stars that fell to earth right?

[spiral vault]

in the cave of prophecies murals, the forest elder is shown using the power of water to make rain in the hidden forest. Although it might be a good idea for the time (many people would love rain to make their plants) it eventually cursed the hidden forest by being unstoppable and toxic

[leaden onyx]

Is all lore here based on Toms artwork or is it like an “extension” on current evident lore? I don’t think I phrased that very clearly

[grizzled vector]

Basically the broad strokes of what happened is, they used to use the "natural magic" that comes from The Light and worshipped it, but then they figured out a way to store and use that magic "by force" so they stopped worshipping The Light and started processing it to fuel the industry. Then bad things happened and everyone died

[tough sky]

They are Ancestors I believe
But like, a specific "type" of Ancestors?
They're also the only characters that we don’t see in the Realms at all, only in dreams and in Orbit though they seem to be able to affect the Realms more than the Ancestor Spirits

[spiral vault]

most of it is things found in-game, with a few developer statements and outside sources; the tom zhao artwork is only used when no other information is given

[royal python]

i think most evidence is based on Tom’s work, that and the game itself.

[tough sky]

Most is based on the game with the Spirit memories, murals, visual storytelling and everything

Most of what comes from concept art has to do with the Elders

[royal python]

i don’t think it was because they were making rain, because we see water in other places that doesn’t hurt us. i think it’s more that the rain is toxic due to pollution. which reminds me though… i find it interesting that the rain just goes away once you summon the jellyfish.

[leaden onyx]

Okay so we’ve got spirits which are our daily spirits and stuff, we’ve got elders the demigod feeling beings in each final temple, so who are the “ancestors”

[spiral vault]

ancestors are the type of species, spirit is a state of being

[lofty bramble]

i think thats the implication yeah. krills are corrupted elder mantas, or fused amalgamations of smaller mantas. im thinking they can be fused because in that one abyss mural it kinda suggests the ancestors were extracting the light from mantas then containing their lightless remains deep beneath the facility, where its just one creature down there. OR perhaps that creature was a regular krill who kept growing in size as it fed on other corpses

edit: i meant to reply to mel mb

[grizzled vector]

I heard that before but I have no idea where that comes from. Also for all I know all people in Sky are stars that fell to "earth." I'm not sure any of them are actually born the way humans are. So that doesn't explain what made them different. But I believe it has been confirmed that Ancestors do not grow up to be Elders (at least not naturally) and Descendants ("skykids") won't become Elders either

[spiral vault]

I think it's shown/referenced in the aviary intro sequence

[royal python]

i believe it’s from the dawn murals where you first walk into the cave

[tough sky]

I don't really like to use concept art personally

I will sometimes to give more credit to a point I'm trying to make (rarely though, it will probably change with the artbook)

So I don't really know much about Elder lore

I do know a lot about Guides lore though
and I have a lot of thoughts about them

[leaden onyx]

This is fun

[royal python]

i think i remember seeing in concept art that the manta whales have charcoal bones or something so it could come from that??

[grizzled vector]

The Forest Temple is one of the two facilities that processed light creatures into "power diamonds" (the remains of the other one is in the Wasteland). Pretty sure the toxic "dark water" is the leftover of that process

[tough sky]

Ancestors are the NPCs
Elders (supposedly), Guides, Spirits

Outside of the Ancestors, there are also two humans, The Little Prince and AURORA

As well as the Nine-colored Deer and the Spirit of the Mural who seems to actually be the Mural given body so it looks like and Ancestor but isn't one

[spiral vault]

Little Prince is a spirit, and nine colored deer is a creature

[grizzled vector]

According to the concept art, the "natural" way for the creatures to die is by traveling to the Holy Site (the mountain the Eye of Eden is on top of). If they do that, they kinda just disintegrate completely into motes of light or whatever, and rejoin the Megabird. Creatures who die unnatural death leave behind "bones" of "charcoal-like material"

Though there is also the fact that the bones we see in the Forest and Wasteland don't look like "charcoal-like material" and don't really fit into that concept. But there IS concept art by Tom Zhao that features real-life looking "bones" so go figure

[tough sky]

I am pretty sure the Little Prince is a human
He is the character from the story, and in the story he is human
He also doesn't really look like a spirit

[spiral vault]

a few months ago, the little prince was retconned to look more like a spirit

[grizzled vector]

The Little Prince was not originally a spirit during his season. He became a spirit later. But also Sky's Little Prince is a product of a collaboration and is not quite exactly the same entity as the book's Little Prince

[royal python]

oooohhhhhh. that’s actually really cool. i also remember from concept art that apparently the ancestors didn’t want the creatures anywhere near the holy city eden thereby preventing them from dying. is it possible that the reason they prevented the creatures from dying was so they could collect more light from them to power the dark stone?

[tough sky]

Yeah, but I think the canon Little Prince is the one that we could see during the Season of the Little Prince

[leaden onyx]

Oh my god the math is mathing this is so interesting

What is dark stone

[grizzled vector]

That would be my guess. But there are also mentions of a "fire race" in the concept art so at some point they may have been considering another "species" of "humans" that the Ancestors were fighting against

[royal python]

i’m very unsure of it but i appreciate your confidence in me 😭

[spiral vault]

This is how it looks

[tough sky]

Dark stone is what we also call power diamonds
That's actually what power diamonds are made of
You can see some unprocessed darkstone in the Prairie Peaks too

[leaden onyx]

The really glowy crystals?

[grizzled vector]

I'm also not sure how they were keeping flying creatures from ascending up into the sky but...

[lofty bramble]

its implied they considered light creatures to be “impure” and unfit to enter the holy land, but i think itd make total sense if that was sth they made up to have a morally justified reason to harness resources from them. its kinda like some real world religions, malicious people making up doctrines that have nothing to do with the belief to secretly benefit themselves.

[leaden onyx]

How can they be impure

[spiral vault]

It's difficult to see that theory in the modern sky, i think the light creatures were more viewed as collateral damage or sacrificed for power

i doubt the ancestors had any hatred towards them or anything

still terrible, but quick death would be better than slowly rotting away

[leaden onyx]

Thank you for a fantastic convo everyone, good night!!!

[royal python]

big talk coming from the blue people lmao

[royal python]

yeah that’s a good question, especially for a group of people that we know can’t fly naturally. perhaps they used the boats, maybe the pollution drove them away, maybe they had ways to attack the creatures from the ground. the krill also attack manta (which is sad). i also suspect the storm from eden itself would definitely prevent creatures from reincarnation. do you think the ancestors started regretting it at some point? like it seems in vault they have those dream mantas or whatever they’re called.

[tough sky]

Maybe to ascend, they needed to give up their light in Eden like we do
So the fortress could be enough to stop them

[grizzled vector]

Maybe they "developed" the krill to keep the creatures away? Who knows. I do think at least some of them did begin to realize at some point that they're fundamentally screwing up the ecosystem, and that's what the battle in the Wasteland was all about. It didn't save the Ancestors but at least they kept the entire world from dying

[grizzled vector]

The Eye of Eden is something that was built on top of the mountain. Presumably the mountain itself was a holy site before anything was built on top of it. It is unclear what exactly made it holy but my guess was it was just the tallest peak in the vicinity so it was the most natural place to go to if you were trying to go as high as you could before your body disintegrates

So basically they would have had to fortify the entire mountain to keep the creatures out

[edgy kernel]

huh. thats kindof an interesting thought, really. the light creature that has its own spotlight seen in the two embers trailer also seems to be maybe one of the only sorta domesticated light creatures, they dont capture it and keep them in tanks etc, but build homes on it and use it for travel like a pack animal.

It maybe isnt too far out of the question to think maybe turning them into light creature hunting monsters was intentional, to help guard eden or places like the wasteland temple. Kinda have to go back to that scene in the aurora concert with all the light creatures fighting in front of the wasteland temple.
Maybe after that is when you see the memory outside the concert where there are smaller krill there instead of light creatures. Either they rose from the dead light creatures, or were made to guard the place from any future attacks.

Interesting way to read it
taking a different look at the one scene a krill darts past a bunch of spear wielding soldiers in the two embers trailer with them all looking up at it, I wonder maybe the creature's presence isnt what is surprising them, but that a light creature has showed up, alerting the guards ( maybe the light creature we see growing up in the show, accompanied by whoever the kid is )

[molten dust]

there’s also some evidence of developing krill as a weapon

[waxen ermine]

Aww man… I wrote all that lore just for the message to remove it (was it Skybot? Why?)

But basically I was talking about how there is proof that there was malicious attacks on the light creatures in game, not just the concept art

Concept art:
-Butterflies were kept in traps to be used as batteries for machines in the forest, same with manta, then there would be remnants of their 🪦 bodies that would be tossed out #lore-discussion-spoilers message
-Valley held ceremonies to celebrate their victories over the light creatures. And yes I do mean ❌Ing them off. They would’ve had robotic mantas to display how the light creatures attacked them, then they beat them and celebrate. There would’ve been cages of manta bones after passing the valley temple. Apparently ancestors used dark stone against them and won #lore-discussion-spoilers message
-Eden: They saw it as unforgivable for light creatures to enter their holy land, and would do anything to make sure they didn’t #lore-discussion-spoilers message

Canon in game evidence:
-Why do they keep butterflies in jars anyway?
-Vault mural of wasteland: The elder and his soldiers were pointing weapons at mantas
-Aurora concert forest jellyfish: They were barricaded in the forest
-Aurora concert valley mantas: They were trapped in cages at the Valley
-Aurora concert wasteland: Pretty much the biggest evidence, the spirits were throwing spears at mantas and ❌ing many. I always thought they were caught in the crossfire, but now that I think about it, the fight was against them and other spirits. There are two shield types though so it’s more confusing
After the wasteland scene where it shows scenes of mourning, a kid is mourning their 🪦 pet manta

Why would they attack the light creatures? It seems implied that in concept, the light creatures attacked first (probably because they saw all the harm done to their environment and fellows as an attack to them)

[grizzled vector]

I find it kinda difficult to see how light creatures would fight anyone, let alone attack first. They're explicitly designed to be all soft and squishy and "safe." But I could see them being used as war mounts or something along those lines, by an Ancestor faction that rose up to try and stop destruction of nature before it was too late

[mortal sparrow]

So seeing that Sky revolves around stars and the cosmos, it's probably safe to guess that the world/kingdom of Sky takes place on a distant planet in a faraway galaxy

[upbeat notch]

I believe that light creatures are completly part of the hivemind while children of light have a bit of darkness in them which allows them to have some individuality

[silver copper]

hello! I have a question, who is prince alef? cuz I've been wondering for a time and I can't really find anything in the wiki

[ruby arrow]

im curious, did the eden elder kill all the elders, im super curious how they all died

[ruby arrow]

eden elder

[tough sky]

That's the name we give to the Eden Elder, they are only found in concept art though

[molten dust]

aALRIGHT LORE CHAT! Another day, another Cyg question

Where do you think the travelling spirits travel from? Obvious answers are the stream of life / eden, but how and why? What are some other answers?

[waxen ermine]

They probably come down the same way other spirits do when you check their constellations

[molten dust]

good answer! elaborate! how do the other spirits do that?

[waxen ermine]

Well… uh… they come directly down from outer space… somehow
Probably like how Sky kids can

Travelling spirits probably live farther in outer space and are less inclined to hang around the planet

[tough sky]

All spirits can come back to the Realms from Orbit
We don't really know how, they just can

Maybe it's similar to how we come back down
It is similar to the spirits we can see in Aviary Village though (not the guides, the other spirits who don't bring anything but life to the village)

[quiet monolith]

they sorta get summoned down from the stars ig

[tough sky]

I have a blogpost on the wiki about Guides if anyone is interested to see my thoughts

https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Lazuli436/Seasonal_Guides_lore

[waxen ermine]

Wait… performance and rhythm are twins?? But I saw them together in the Days of Love and uh…

The other day of love spirits are at least possibly canonically in love, like Grandma with Grandpa from belonging,
And the peeking postman who bashfully peeked at the yeti (Lv2 and Lv4 have hearts coming out of that emote), he stands with yeti in days of love

[tough sky]

They represented fraternal love
Like Light Whisperer was here for the love of nature

Rhythm and Performance being twins is canon, it was announced here https://twitter.com/thatskygame/status/1513683349017141249?t=l8__B-PWEbVeVCEKYR2Feg&s=19

[waxen ermine]

Phew!

[tough sky]

I remember seeing that Grandpa and Grandma represented love towards your grandparents/your family

[molten dust]

there was fraternal love, platonic love, aesexual or self love (one of the flight kiddos), familial love, straight, lesbian, and gay love i think

[hoary ingot]

Hey, wasn’t the series supposed to come out around this time? There’s been no update :/

[molten dust]

hAHA YEAH WE'RE ALL WAITING FOR IT IN LORE CHAT. YEP. WE'RE A LITTLE CRAZY.

[hoary ingot]

LOL im so antsy. They said the end of April

[molten dust]

Belonging Guide (Grandma) and Wise Grandparent- Grandparents
Rhythm Guide and Performance Guide - Fraternal / Siblings
Light Whisperer - Self-love (or asexual)
Bearhug Hermit and Peeking Postman - Love (straight or queer, male ish)
Sparkler Parent and Confetti Cousin - ?????
Pleaful Parent and Hairtousle Teen - Paternal
Pleaful Parent, Sparkler Parent, Confetti Cousin, and Hairtousle Teen - Familial

WAIT. ' white eyelashes' WHAT HOLD ON THAT IMPLIES THAT HAIR. (confused screaming)

[molten dust]

with butterflies for grandparents, jellyfish for siblings, birds for self, manatees for love (decently sure it's supposed to represent mlm of some kind), mantas (??), jam session (guitar) and jam session (flute)

[tough sky]

Sparkler parent and confetti cousin is probably love towards your extended family
I think Light Whisperer might represent the love of nature or the love of beings completely unrelated you, or the love of pets
Yeti and Peaking Postman is probably romantic love whether it is straight or queer

[tough sky]

I believe the pilot was supposed to release in March

[molten dust]

pictures by io, io, io, nastymold, noob mode, and noob mode

[molten dust]

again, like most of sky lore, up to interpretation. sigh. tgc ple-

[tough sky]

Yeah

I like that personally
It means that whatever you imagine, it's unlikely to be wrong

[molten dust]

i do too!

[pastel hull]

Manta skull or whale skull?

[waxen ermine]

Likely whale
Interesting that it has two eyeholes though

[molten dust]

it has a lil nose look @ him

[frosty rampart]

Hmm where do you guys think it will be released? On what streaming platform?

[upbeat notch]

Netflix I think

[neon stream]

man, im about to do the fire trial on pc. everybody wish me luck 🍀 🔥

[upbeat notch]

Good Luck Enki

[frosty rampart]

I sure hope so

[frosty rampart]

Woah on PC GL

It was said that it comes around march but now I'm starting to think it comes around summer

[neon stream]

im done rather quickly than expected. surprisingly, fire trail is actually a lot easier on pc than water trial.

note to self/everyone: do water trial on mobile, the rest on pc.

[royal python]

i’ve literally left doing fire trial twice out of frustration and finally pulled up a youtube video for my third time around. i’ll try pc next time, i’ve been planning to redo the trials to get WL back

[neon stream]

personally find fire trial to be extremely difficult on mobile, probably because the brightness is too low for me that i can't see anything at all, just the black void. even with a map next to me, i was still moving blind hoping the fire icon would pop up the entire run. it's quite the opposite experience on pc; it took less than 15 mins for me to finish the run, where i'd usually be done around an hour.

[royal python]

damn i REALLY gotta try on pc then. yeah the visibility is so bad on mobile, and i get that that’s the point of the trial, but it’s so much harder than all the other trials 😭😭. i’m pretty sure i would end up looping a bunch of times too.

[neon stream]

yeah it's really different. you can actually see where you're going or where the candles are, even if it's supposed to be dark. i was really surprised how visible the area is. i think the only thing you'd have to worry about are the smogs (idk what the community calls them lmao), but i think timing is the key. otherwise, probably the quickest trial run in my sky life.

[molten dust]

So guess who just went to the concert. Me

FUESS WHO HAAS THOUGHTS? ME

anyway I’m gonna go insane

[upbeat notch]

Lore thoughts?

[molten dust]

pulls you close

imaginator

would I EVER. ever have lore thoughts? me? would I have lore thoughts?

[upbeat notch]

Share please ^^

[molten dust]

the answer is yes

yea I would have lore thoughts

those thoughts would be shards existing before recently due to the cannot eat money song

[onyx sable]

More

Lore

[tough sky]

I can't wait for the artbook to come out

[hoary ingot]

you cannot eat money oh naur

[open tapir]

Hi there apologies if this gets asked a lot but can someone explain to me the lore surrounding || king resh/eden elder? 👀 || please be sure to @ me because im genuinely curious what the community has come up with!!

[nimble ingot]

you are fine, @open tapir

This channel is where folks can talk about the lore. Wether it is old, new or even exploring headcanon/fanon.

The King is a cut character from the game.
They have a lot of history in the lore from the concept art and what folks on here have speculated. You can look them up in this channel to see what I mean.

The gist is the King is (presumably) the missing elder of Eden. Because the king is only missing elder (unless you want to count the Sky Prince, Alef as well), and Eden is the only realm without an elder that we can recognise (unless you want to consider the Eye of Eden crystal to be an elder in some way in a theory).

The realms represent the stages of life, as well as the time of day.

• Dawn, birth
• Day, childhood
• forest (rain), adolescene (puberty/teenagehood)
• valley (sunset), adulthood
• wasteland (dusk), mid-life crisis
• vault (night), elderhood (old age)
• Eden (storm), death
  And Orbit which is rebirth.

Orbit technically counts as the 8th realm. As it only comes after death and represents the beginning of a new life. Or more along the lines of a continuation of the cycle.
Kind of like an infinity or a mobius strip.
A mobius strip btw is a ring with a literal twist in it. If you draw a line on one side of the strip and keep going till you reach the start. You will see that the line has managed to cross over to the other side and back to where it started.

Back to your question though.
My take of the King is they are like father time. A grim reaper who passes judgement on others before they can pass.
The realm has fallen into chaos and destruction becuause something went terribly wrong in the past.

The game does not tell us what happened exactly. But does leave clues for the player to make their own interpretation of the story.
This is because TGC made the lore open to interpretation.
But that aside, what we do know is that ancestors were trapped in the realms, the elders had fallen (died), and our skykids are helping to fix some of the damage done with guiding the ancestor spirits to the temples (or fulfill their wishes with the seasons). So they can ascend to Orbit.
But the story is not done because the game is still getting updates that slowly expand more on the lore.

Hope this helps.

[waxen ermine]

He’s assumed to be Eden elder also because of the Eden door star shape which matches his head (every door has the elder’s mask)

[ruby arrow]

is it true that the eden elder (alef) is trapped within the giant red eden crystal and when we get shards etc its his rage and the rock part is him taking his anger out on the skykids?

i kinda went oob somehow in eden and saw these huge arms behind the crystal that the player isnt meant to see then it got me curious and i looked it up and its apparently what is left of the eden elders spirit

[north onyx]

I don't want to look deep into this channel and get spoiled but I'm curious. These memories we find, they seem to release spirits. And later returning to that land had them living at almost gravestones. But what about the people in aviary village? Is everyone dead 😨

[spiral vault]

I don't think guides are very different than regular spirits (besides the weird ones like me, of course). They just choose not to ascend; and freeing them in aviary is their 'origin story'

[spiral vault]

i could never understand the belonging family tree

[spiral vault]

my guess is either netflix or straight on youtube, maybe around late summer to attract new players with the new season

[spiral vault]

i think those blue things was magical attacks of some sort

[spiral vault]

Every spirit is dead, it's laid out in the intros and premise of the game.

They're like ghosts almost, including the aviary village ones.

[twilit sky]

Hey lore chat, do we think other skids being around is canon? Or is it just us-

[molten dust]

Absolutely canon! Especially because if the fact that a lot of the puzzles are built for more than one person bahaha

[twilit sky]

Makes sense, thank you <33

[waxen ermine]

~~Found these very very interesting videos!
Please save/download them, in case they get deleted (I won’t be able to today, I’m busy)
Also I say this because I have experience where if there’s only one version on YouTube, it tends to get deleted, including favorite childhood song remixes :(

I have a feeling some of these things were scrapped because the game would’ve been laggy, or maybe other things

In case discord doesn’t embed, it shows the king’s throwing animations, the megabird, original vault ending, etc

All from the same channel~~

https://youtu.be/DEdr7FTkL3o?si=YteIxSX3PanKyBAZ

https://youtu.be/JxFtK-0rQBc?si=cWT9jEgYJPwyvd_1

https://youtu.be/n6uWwXrlmPY?si=_ijlolQza5pPzgSD

https://youtu.be/AtFNJ-nT97I?si=QwM1fbgqYI4KqeHG

https://youtu.be/VjcBiVG0Lc0?si=xOrfWFt86JSYbDOv

[spiral vault]

Some of this is real, but many of these seem extremely fake, especially the king/megabird

[spiral vault]

not just canon, but it's the central conceit of the game

perhaps storywise, we're the first skykid to come back after a long time, and other skykids soon follow us. Since we're the first ones to free the spirits and restore aviary, etc, although it might just be a gameplay mechanic, it could be interpreted in the story as we being the first skykid, with others helping us along the way

[waxen ermine]

Has there been instances of people able to put their own new models in the Sky game?
I think what they did here was replace existing models in the game with the scrapped models they could find in the files (which has been possible in games since 15+ years)

Basically I’m saying it looks real to me

Until I see proof people are modding things that could not be in the game, like Thomas the Tank engine or something

It’s very common for games to retain scrapped files, and all someone would have to do is swap around code IDs for example to view it (in this case, they may have swapped a large manta for megabird and the boat shopkeeper for the king)

[molten dust]

well

[waxen ermine]

https://m.bilibili.com/video/BV1JV411F7S8?spm_id_from=333.788.recommend_more_video.8 Found the original video that the person took

This video has the king modded in with the throwing animations (it’s textureless, this may be the official scrapped model modded in)

My phone is not good at translating Chinese

[tough sky]

Not everyone, the Guides (the people you free from stone in the Aviary Village and who do things in the buildings) are alive

[tough sky]

What do you mean by "origin story"?

[left veldt]

What is the black thing inside of spirits?

[spiral vault]

i think it's made of the same thing as the black shell thing around spirits

[spiral vault]

The guides are as dead as all other spirits. Even if they're more active in the sky world, they're made of the same ghostly material as the other spirits.

Freeing the seasonal guides in aviary village would be the first time we see them in the story. After helping them with their quests in their seasonal area, they permanently do things in aviary village

[nimble ingot]

This is like opening a pandoran box of Sky lore.
And I love it ❤️

And yes, the King and Megabird's models in the game were scrapped.
The King is likely due to changes in the plot and lore.
And for Megabird, with how big this creature would have been in the game, it is possible that could be taxing on some devices. Aside from the same reason as the King being scrapped.

[tough sky]

So you mean we free them and then we go do the seasons?

Because if so, it wouldn’t make much sense, we can see memories of the seasons in the shops so the seasons definitely happened before we free them in the Aviary Village

[nimble ingot]

I have not seen a model of the megabird in the game, but have seen the King in the past.

These models can only be found in the game by hacking, which makes them a bit taboo with the rules.
However, they are also scrapped characters that have some relevance to the game still. And these models are otherwise left unused in the game in any case.

[waxen ermine]

Where did you see the king? (Or was it the same one)

I agree, it was like finding a Pandora’s Box, I was gobsmacked to see it!

[nimble ingot]

Around the season of Propechy I have seen an image of the King's 'forbidden' model in the lore chat.
It was at the time not allowed to be posted because it was against the rules about posting hacked content.

The model is normally not seen in the game. Which means hackers needed to force the model to be visible.

The megabird model is a similar case. The video of it in Sanctuary island is from a hacker that made the game use the megabird model instead of the greater manta in order to make it visible in the game.

All in all, they are scrapped models TGC seemingly has not got rid of from the files.
Probably because they want to revive them in the game's lore in some way for a future update. Because they play an important role in the lore in spite of the changes they made since the Light Awaits days.

[pastel brook]

A quick advice from wise ol' Skybot: remember to take a break every once a while and take care of yourselves please, fellow Sky kids

[waxen ermine]

Oh.. should I remove the YouTube links I sent?

[nimble ingot]

I would not, becuase these are old content the person simply reuploaded.

I get where the mods are coming from with discouraging people from cheating in the game.
However, the focus is on the scrapped models. Not how they were shown.

[molten dust]

KING MENTIONED.

Starry those are some GEMS you just found. I’m eating these up. Mmm. Art potential. UGHNNNGHH the animations. So yummy.

[nimble ingot]

Agreed.
They have came up in this lorechat on occasion.

I would love to see what TGC wanted to do with these models.
It is a shame they dont want to show any of that, but have no issues with other parts of the game.

I would understand that they may want to keep these characters hidden until they decide to reveal what they had planned later on.
But 5 years of hiding what folks up till now are a few scrapped models, a cut story line and a handful of obscure hints in the game would do harm in the lore community with stringing people along.
Promising an 'ending' and letting people speculate on them is one thing. But then discouraging them from doing research (which may include investigating the game itself) is giving mixed signals.

By presenting the lore as open to interpretation, they themselves have opened a pandora's box with lore theorists coming up with their own takes on the lore they have to work with.

[pastel brook]

Oh no! A KRILL!!!

[nimble ingot]

har de har har

[upbeat notch]

How does Skybot work lol

[nimble ingot]

Skybot is just a bot made by one of the mods on this server.
As far as I known about it, the mod(s) can make it send messages. While it can also respond to certain words as a trigger.
It would also choose to send random messages in here varying from some lore hints, jokes, red herrings and random messages.

It is basically the Jester of this channel.

[upbeat notch]

Huh

[nimble ingot]

Skybot is a bot on the server.

[upbeat notch]

I just dont know what to do with it tbh lol

[upbeat notch]

What can we do with it

[nimble ingot]

oh.

I just accept it exists and carry on.

[upbeat notch]

huh

[nimble ingot]

just ignore it.

[upbeat notch]

uh ok...sooooo lore?

[nimble ingot]

the bot gives red herrings ( fake lore) and jokes.
The few times I had seen the bots say actual lore is what the channel has discovered a while ago.

[upbeat notch]

lol?

[upbeat notch]

Like what kind of fake lore?

[nimble ingot]

oh boi, I got to look them up.
It has been a while tbf.

ok, for clarity.
Most of the jokes by the bot are references. Some to songs by Aurora since that season. Others are headcanons on this server.

• The bot likes to eat peas for some reason.

• Take lyrics from Aurora's songs and make parodies with sky characters (ex. you cannot eat candle - you cannot eat money).

• Sneep Snorp jokes when it notices users were active for a long time.

• Oh, I forgot this was a thing! When folks are also active and talking about lore. The bot would post an image saying "Look Fam. Its not that deep." Which suggests the lore is simple, but it is more of a taunt at how far folks have gone into details about the lore (ex. the exact height of a skykid in real life, their weight and even what type of gravity the realms have with math to calculate it)
  #lore-discussion-spoilers message

• Aside from the jokes, it does give useful information about the game (ex. what is a moth, what time an event starts etc.)

• a pinnochio reference/joke: "I can be a real Skykid" #lore-discussion-spoilers message

• And to wrap up this list. The bot sometimes gives a list of what the "community agrees" on.
  It mentioned Eden, Vault's Office area, anything that required 8 players to unlock (which is oreo and the days of colour area) and beta content.
  Beta content is still off limits.
  But the rest may as well be accepted as general lore.
  Becuase the original reason is to not spoil new players that have not yet found these areas. But with the game running for over 4 years, and the lore usually becomes more relevant later on in the game. Most players looking for lore have likely been to Eden and would be interested in learning more about the game.

[pastel brook]

A "moth" is a new player. They have brown wings, they flap around uncontrollably, and they are drawn to flame!

[nimble ingot]

Isn't it, "...and they are drawn to [a] flame" ?

[upbeat notch]

Anyway do we have any lore to talk about?

[nimble ingot]

what do you want to know?

[upbeat notch]

Idk I just want a lore discussion

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[waxen ermine]

Ah, sorry! I’ll put the links back

Oh! I’ve managed to think of something
I remember in Tea Brewer’s memory, she has to sneak past soldiers to get the stuff she wants

That makes me think, why? What we’ve seen mostly of the war it’s between two sides, why would a civilian be in danger of soldiers?

Was there an invasion? Was the military really strict on how they enforced things? Either a curfew or during the war, they told civilians to not go out?

[upbeat notch]

What two sides was the war again?

[waxen ermine]

Ones with diamond shields, one with sun shields. In the game you do see two sides of ancestors launching spears at each other (and mantas)

Except in the concept art there is no such infighting mentioned, and they say the war was between ancestors and light creatures

[upbeat notch]

Oooh you think it was like Ancestors on the side of Light vs Ancestors on the side of Darkness?

[waxen ermine]

Yeah, I’m thinking nature (sunlight) vs technology (the diamonds)

Oh wait I’m remembering the concept art did mention an “emancipation from the fire worshipping race”

[upbeat notch]

Wow so what factions were the guards the teabrewer had to sneak by?

[waxen ermine]

Good question, I’ll see if I can replay the game and check

[upbeat notch]

I guess "fire worshipping race" is us?

[waxen ermine]

They just have spears, but they have diamond shapes on their outfit so maybe that

[upbeat notch]

Ok so Ig we can assume that the Techno guys took control of some part of where the Teabrewer lives so she had to sneak by to not get punished

[celest birch]

Not just with Tea Brewer, but pretty much every Remembrance spirit sans the Guide, given how we have them arrest the Child´s caretaker/friend and attack the Wounded Warrior as well as killing the poor Merchant ... and also, Veteran´s son might´ve been a soldier of them as well.

[waxen ermine]

Does veteran imply there’s been a previous war, and that the man grew up old enough to have a son who would also go to war?

[celest birch]

The spirit´s name is Bereft Veteran, so ... yeah, kinda.

And honestly, why am I thinking that the poor caretaker/friend of the Pleading Child got arrested simply because they played with the plushies in the first place?

Since the plushies are of creatures (manta and crab) and as we know from real life, children can (and most likely will) learn a lot while playing with toys like these. I can totally imagine that she could´ve told stories about them to the Child while playing with the plushies (as well as making more of them up as a part of the play) and that being seen as an offense grave enough for them to be arrested and taken away while leaving the Child crying among the toys.

[waxen ermine]

That is pretty funny but I don’t think it’s the plushies

In war soldiers will arrest people who they think are suspicious (Spies, rebels, traitors)

Or maybe this is a tyrant country, and this caretaker was breaking rules or something

[upbeat notch]

"I mean pretty sus to have creatures of darkness and light as plushies, guess that means your neutral and if your not 100% on our side we arrest you" the soldiers probably

[celest birch]

I didn´t mean the plushies themselves as well, but how they were used as aka played with.

[upbeat notch]

that too

[inland cliff]

Something I don't remember being established sooner is the difference between us and the King/prince. They were once like us skykids, but they actually had growth and maturity both physically and mentally. How did he grow up and we didn't?

[upbeat notch]

Who says we dont grow up?

[inland cliff]

We stayed in our skykids form and our mindsets are still very basic, and look at how much the king had fully grown in every possible way(not saying it's good tho)

[upbeat notch]

I remember something from two embers: "two children, one of them seeks power to change the world, but in the process he’s corrupted and destroyed. The other one tries to save the world by convincing the former world to give up its power. It is mentioned that “the boy becomes a king”" can it be that if you come closer to the darkness that you then grow up?

Because the child is corrupted just like the king?

[inland cliff]

It's kind of a mix between the philosophy in reality with the lore-wise of Sky. Basically, it's how the corruption of adulthood affects children. How the only difference between your adolescents and adulthood is the "corruption" that the world bestowed upon you

[waxen ermine]

I just realized, the way it’s worded, “the boy becomes a king” after saying two kids but not establishing which is the boy

That means the other one is a girl

[upbeat notch]

But I guess the King won that war?

[waxen ermine]

Surely yes, with the strongest technology on his side
Maybe he even used the diamond for attacks

[upbeat notch]

But hey I guess we are striking back now?

[waxen ermine]

I don’t think so, probably just cleaning up after messes

[upbeat notch]

Ya thats enough of a "win" for me

[inland cliff]

Are the creatures on any sides or is it a 3rd party joiner

[upbeat notch]

Good question I guess the Light creatures are more on the light side tho I dont think they are aware enough to acctualy "choose"

[inland cliff]

I highly believe the krills are a 3rd joiner because it is against everything

[upbeat notch]

Ya

[upbeat notch]

I think the Krills are acctualy short sighted because when you use the protection spell against them they dodge you in the last second before impact because just then they see "oh hey thats a creature of darkness, those are my friends"

[inland cliff]

They would be viewing hundreds of people in the battlefield so wonder how they'll actually target™
But then I think they would see it more as: "not a light creature. Can't find light. FEED ME LIGHT-"
(more straight forward)

[upbeat notch]

Soooo are Krills Moths? (I know its a bot I just find this fitting to what we just talked about)

[inland cliff]

I mean since moths are literally the night butterflies- reeks foreshadowing vibes from that message tbh

[upbeat notch]

Lol

Would be funny if skybot would react again but I guess we were just lucky last time

[inland cliff]

Ifeellucky

Notice me skybot-senpaii

[upbeat notch]

Yo uh how did you summon Skybot last time lol

[inland cliff]

They pop up randomly at most

[upbeat notch]

Aw I wish we could summon them

pls notice us @pastel brook lol

[inland cliff]

Lol les try not to make this the resurrecting-skybot-from-the-depts-of-eden channel

[tough sky]

I might have an idea

To make them come

[inland cliff]

The online status make it looks like they're eating p e a s

[upbeat notch]

Come here Thatskybot, I got your fav 🫛

[inland cliff]

[pastel brook]

Using emulators is against the Sky TOS, @tough sky. Please don’t use or discuss emulators here.

[tough sky]

It worked

I was not talking about those
But I summoned them

[upbeat notch]

Nice ^^

[tough sky]

Always remember that this is a trigger word
I have seen long messages get deleted because of it
Always try to find a synonym

[upbeat notch]

Right so again I think they are short sighted so they attack everything

[inland cliff]

We can conclude they've destroyed at least 3 of em in the battlefield before they resurrect from the dea-

[upbeat notch]

Wait wha

[inland cliff]

Most krills rises up from the ground like they were sensing life around them and just woke up from... whatever they were doing

[upbeat notch]

Oof creepy

[inland cliff]

I rise
From the death

Fear me
PEASENTS

Would you look at that
An iNtRudER

DISGUSTANG

[upbeat notch]

Somehow makes me think of the turrets who were supposed to be there in concept art

[inland cliff]

Ye
It's from emptea vid btw

[upbeat notch]

https://www.tomzhao.com/sky1

[inland cliff]

That actually gave those giant king statues a purpose... No wonder ppl were angried at how they waste resources for building capitalism

[upbeat notch]

lol who was angry about that

[inland cliff]

The light ppl? It's clear how bad that has infected the majority of people so it's logical to have an angst "back in my day" guy

[upbeat notch]

Lol

[inland cliff]

Would u like to discuss in DM? It's kinda clouding the channel

[upbeat notch]

Oh yea lol

[soft timber]

appears What this?

[nimble ingot]

A gallery by an artist who did concept art for Sky:Light Awaits.

A nice start to looking at what TGC were working on while making the game.

[soft timber]

:o!!!!

[north onyx]

I just found in the the village you can purchase for real money a Moth or Sparrow appreciation outfit. I've often thought the brown of our cape and white hair made us all look like moths. I don't think we're either though? (Though I still am unsure if we're literally Stone faced or wearing a mask 😅) What's up with this?

[pastel brook]

A "moth" is a new player. They have brown wings, they flap around uncontrollably, and they are drawn to flame!

[soft timber]

It does look nice to look at and pleasing

[soft timber]

Different players from around the world call new players Moths or Sparrows depending on where they live! Besides the bot giving an explaination, Sparrows are the same thing: A new player. They have brown wings, flap a lot, and make lots of noise!

[nimble ingot]

About the moth appreciation package.
I cannot have this appear in my head when looking at it.

Even though I understand TGC is a business and would like to make a profit.
It sadly does not negate the fact that the cost for some cosmetics are as expensive as getting a real life analogue. 💀
And with that, I am of the opinion to rather have a real life cosmetic than an accessory for a virtual character on my cellphone.

[elder schooner]

I highly doubt there's any lore for those packs, they are just for show

[nocturne thorn]

I think of it like this, optional cosmetics as a way of earning income on a free to play game allows players with expendable income options while supporting future development of the game without forcing advertisements on everyone. They also have a store where you can buy real life items for your real life person if you prefer!

[nimble ingot]

fair and fair.

[nocturne thorn]

Does anyone have a theory on what the elders are doing by “borrowing” or light and forging it (forest) or adding it to the diamond (vault)? What do the cutscenes indicate? I am so confused by them

[spiral vault]

I assume you're talking about the dreams guide picture, but keep in mind the shop only opens after the season is finished. So maybe the picture frame was recently taken

[spiral vault]

maybe the war is so long that it's going on for many generations, a constant neverending struggle

it would be cruel though. the veteran fights in the war, survives, and then their child dies in the same war

[potent ibex]

what's AURORA? stumbled upon it while doing some daily missions

[west crow]

It's kinda scary knowing that all the people in sky are dead except light creatures and skykids

[stray burrow]

Now I remember that I actually dreamed with a sky map REALLY similar to this one- WOW!! I never knew this concept art actually existed

[west crow]

I've also noticed of vault being close to the desert as the little prince place and nine colored deer

[cold sparrow]

Aurora is an amazing singer who collaborated with Sky for a season a while back, bringing not only a bunch of cool cosmetics, but also an in-Sky concert.

[potent ibex]

oh nice!

[spiral vault]

a singer who has made many vocal contributions to sky (including the credits and orbit), and plays a curious role in the story

[potent ibex]

oh?

[spiral vault]

ask in #questions-and-help

[spiral vault]

i think hotly debated is a better word for it, there are debates on how powerful aurora really is, from just a helper to an ethereal god, i think the first one is more likely since aurora isn't shown in sky's past

[potent ibex]

0-0

[spiral vault]

the aurora concert (difficult to access now but still possible to enter) packages many parts of the sky lore into a simple concert, although don't do it before beating the game

[potent ibex]

i need to find this now lol

well i found it

[potent ibex]

Idk of this counts as lore but i still wanted to ask, including the first memory, is that AURORA singing in each memory?

[upbeat notch]

Wdym?

[upbeat notch]

The concept art acctualy also tells a Story of grown up as you can see in the upper left corner

[potent ibex]

I decided to do one of the quests i got from her and it had singing

[upbeat notch]

Oh ichi btw Aurora was a special Event and you can only find her with a special Cape...I have such a Cape so I could bring you there if you wanna

[potent ibex]

Maybe, i just started going through each memory... made me cry ;-;

[upbeat notch]

Yep thats from her season

[potent ibex]

Damn... i love her voice. Now if only i could stop making me cry!

[soft timber]

:O! Thank you so much for these!!

[waxen ermine]

You reminded me of the time during her concert, she says “It’s okay, you can cry”
And the whole crowd would have

[upbeat notch]

The whole concert is on Youtube but if you wanna be part of it you can just ask me ^^

[upbeat notch]

Yw ^^

[potent ibex]

Will do ^^

[unreal shuttle]

hi

[quiet monolith]

hi

[still pumice]

hello there

[upbeat notch]

Hi hi ^^

[quaint storm]

~~

[real bolt]

Does anyone have a theory on how old Skykid is when the children of light have been reborn several times? Although we don't have a specific age, we are always reborn in a child's body.

how old they really are

[slow chasm]

also, what counts as their bday? the day they fell from the sky for the first time? Do they have rebirthdays? 😄 and where do they come from? (did I miss that in the tutorial?)

[pastel brook]

I love your hat!

[upbeat notch]

Origin of creatures of light is this, and Birthday I assume changes everytime they come back

[upbeat notch]

I assume they are between 10-14 because they can be both childish but also very adult like when it comes to Eden for example

[spiral vault]

the intro says "at last, you return", so maybe this isn't the first time we're here. However, I think skykids don't remember their last rebirth. They feel like it's the first time.

@slow chasm Skykids come from... the sky, but they probably originated from orbit. Their birthday is probably the day they fell

skykids are a similar height to a toddler, apparently

[upbeat notch]

So then what are chibis if normal skykids are alredy toddlers lol

[slow chasm]

I guess their species is just smaller than humans

spirits are way taller than them even if sky kid is fully grown (max height)

[oblique garnet]

Could there be a deeper meaning behind lighting our friends' candles in the constellation?

Also, why are their candles even unlit? Wouldn't they have a flame? Do they put it out? Is it a different candle? Are the figures only copies of our friends?

[upbeat notch]

Well I dont think they are acctualy our friends concidering they are just standing there

[oblique garnet]

Yea makes sense

But then what are they? Spirits? Stars? Memories? Why do they get heart pieces from the flame?

[upbeat notch]

maby its like a spirit concidering spirits come out of a constalation just like the thing we are talking about rn

[pine sonnet]

What if the orbit is a hivemind and lighting up individual skids is basically the same as sharing one's scent to the hivemind queen

[upbeat notch]

Always for hivemind but why would our friends not be part of it alredy?

[pine sonnet]

Hivemind needs neuron refreshes, Lighting up friends is the same as how the neuron system does that static thing they do

[upbeat notch]

True ig lol

[upbeat notch]

But wait whos infecting who with the hivemind then?

[tough sky]

You need both parts to connect something
So basically you're just creating a direct road to someone instead of having to go through all the other connections

[pine sonnet]

Or basically redoing a path thats grassy as hell and needs trimmin

[waxen ermine]

Decided to check the soldier’s memory to see the differences between each side fighting

Image 1: So… his friend has the sun shield
Image 2: Wait, what?? But this soldier has the icon of the King? And his friend a diamond? Maybe the diamond isn’t all that important
Image 3-5: Enemy soldiers throwing spears, his friend notices. I tried to check the difference between the enemy soldiers and his friend but there is none, so it’s more confusing

[upbeat notch]

Ig so is the Megabird the Hivemind then?

[pine sonnet]

I think its a Coup de etat or whatever they call that Revolution thingy

Yeah, technically rebels Starry senpai xD

[waxen ermine]

Oh! So a rebel faction caused a war

[tough sky]

I think the hivemind would be the Light
So megabird would be a representation of it

[pine sonnet]

there's murals aroudn with megabirb

so we may not that far off

[tough sky]

It's written coup d'état by the way

[waxen ermine]

Senpai?? 😳
Hehe, anyway! Also decided to take more pictures going around

[pine sonnet]

thanks my brother in light, I am but a moth of low vocabulary

[upbeat notch]

Lol Imagine Sky kids are just Ancestors infected with the hive mind and they need refreshing cause they arent acctualy creatures of light

[waxen ermine]

Bereft Veteran’s son looks way too much like a Sky kid/winged light (models being reused?)

[pine sonnet]

Or probably The Ancient ones and spirits those Skids that didnt get reborn again and grew up

[tough sky]

The Ancestor children look a lot like skykids in general
I would say that the only thing separating them physically is the lack of an inner light but I'll actually not sure
In most artworks for the seasons, we can see the seasonal spirits glowing from their chest, where their inner light would be located but it's not the case in game

[pine sonnet]

We cookin some hard lore uncovering here xD

[waxen ermine]

Also they seem to be using clay tablets at the time of Bereft Veteran’s son’s death, so not that far ahead in technology

[pine sonnet]

they have Magic

obviously they would be able to use stone stuff

[tough sky]

I'm almost certain we'll have answers or at least clues with the artbook and The Two Embers

[pine sonnet]

true, true

[celest birch]

I´ve noticed that other soldier-spirits have the diamond icon on their chests as well, so in this case, I´d definitely say that we can only know their allegiance by shields. Guess the diamond-in-the-chest is more a symbol of the Wasteland Elder.

[low grove]

yall is this head piece and mask supposed to be a krill? if so thats rlly sad

[upbeat notch]

1. Whys that sad
2. I WANNA HAVE THAT
3. PLEASE TELL ME WHERE YOU GOT THAT FROM

[tough sky]

It was in the Season of Moments

I believe the spirit's name was Jolly Geologist

I remember when the Season came out we speculated on his she's because they were not consistent between arts and the game iirc

[celest birch]

Red Wasteland ... 🤭

[celest birch]

Oh, also, that doesn´t look like a Krill to me due to horn shapes.

[waxen ermine]

?

[celest birch]

That´s more like it, like a baby Whale.

[grizzled vector]

Considering the name of the spirit is Jolly Geologist, i would guess it could be some sort of a fossil, possibly of an ancient creature that no longer exists

Curious what the meaning of this symbol is

The <◇> symbol

[wanton latch]

I have no idea 😭

[elder schooner]

looks like the belonging emblem

[grizzled vector]

I think I remember someone mentioning that there's also a faint trace of a similar symbol around the "heart diamond" on the default moth outfits

[elder schooner]

also on GW Elder's cape thing on the back and the front of it. I'm pretty sure the other elders have them

[grizzled vector]

It could be Sky's equivalent of ❤️

Of course you can see the actual ❤️ symbols in-game too, mostly in emotes, but that could be "pushing the fourth wall" thing (like you can see text in real-life languages in-game, doesn't mean they exist in-universe)

[elder schooner]

mayhaps, but it's put in such random locations

[grizzled vector]

Yea, it could also just be a random pattern put all over the place for decorative purposes

[inland cliff]

My question is why does belonging seems to be centered around this symbol

[grizzled vector]

I wasn't around for that season but my impression is that it was themed around "family" (whether blood relatives or found/chosen family). If the symbol is in fact roughly equivalent to ❤️ then it would kinda make sense? 🤷

[waxen ermine]

But the heart does exist in Days of Love

[grizzled vector]

That's also true

But like I said above it could just be they thought it "wouldn't translate" to have a <◇> plush instead of the more recognizable ❤️

It did feel kinda weird to literally just have a big ol' floating heart for an event guide though

[pastel hull]

If you relieve their memory, it shows why they are called Jolly Geologist, they enjoys collecting dark crystal rocks and in that memory it shows that them found a giant rock which they happily dances too

[grizzled vector]

My point was that the spirit is a geologist, so their "hat" could plausibly be something they dug up somewhere. Of course real geologists probably don't go around wearing fossils on their heads but hey

(I'm also not 100% sure those crystals are supposed to be darkstone but that's a whole another conversation)

Though I guess technically digging up fossils would be more of an archaeologist thing

[pastel hull]

It's a pure/natural form of dark crystal rather than the spirits create/made

And typical the mask is inspired from light creatures and dark creatures so maybe

[grizzled vector]

A geologist could still find one of course but that's not their primary object of study

[waxen ermine]

Found another thing that may have it

[grizzled vector]

Again, for context, this is what the conversation was about

[waxen ermine]

I agree, I don’t think it’s dark stone, but I’m not sure I have proof or what it is

[grizzled vector]

Yea, I'm not sure why a ❤️ would be on the camera. The mystery deepens

[pastel hull]

Also, in Vault there's also a lot of this symbols- I think it has another meaning rather than being a symbol for the season of belonging

Like legit, if you check at the edge of the platforms at the second vault puzzle door, you can see this symbol

[grizzled vector]

It does look kinda similar to whatever Mindful Miner's friends were digging for in All is Soft "music video" but yea I'm not sure

[pastel hull]

Also, my bad xD

[waxen ermine]

Either they reused it or it means something

This is red dark stone in game, and in some shard eruptions you see black dark stone that doesn’t suck your light
So maybe that’s natural dark stone

[grizzled vector]

There's generally lots of symbols in the Vault and it's hard to say if they were really meant to mean something or just be neat patterns. But yes, there are similar patterns in the Vault too

Well, those are the shards of the crystal at the Eye of Eden. Which was supposedly made of darkstone. Which would have to have been one huge crystal to dig up from the ground in one piece

[pastel hull]

And why I said it's a natural or pure form of dark crystal- this thing appear on our body if we get badly injured by krills or Eden rocks

So it would apply the same thing Mindful Miner memory and Jolly Geologist Memory too when we relive it

[waxen ermine]

Ahhh that’s why you’re saying that

[grizzled vector]

And I always thought those were red because they were charged with "red light" not because it's "red darkstone"

[waxen ermine]

It’s what the wiki calls it anyway

[grizzled vector]

Some have speculated that those things appear where you get injured because it's a form of "bleeding"

[pastel hull]

Andd- I see people talk about it, in here before, and I think it's a interesting theory for dark crystal produce naturally, like how darkness plant works

[pastel hull]

True but it still interesting to see when it happens, and our "bleeding" is basically darkness is consuming us in some way?

[pastel hull]

Also, red dark crystal never exist in sky realm before- the only time they exist is in Eden where it was originally from and during red shard event, would that mean that the red dark crystal is originally a normal dark crystal that got consumed with so much darkness that it become lethal and dangerous for us to handle?

Eh, probably a theory like the rest here

[tough sky]

Maybe it represents an eye or something?

[versed mirage]

Looks like the belonging logo

[pine sonnet]

Its funny that the camera has the Skid icon calling

The <<>> icon could probably be just a skid head call

[pine sonnet]

The dark crystals could probably be used in some sort of messed up stuff that it turned red

Look at eden, It has traces of civilization everywhere

What if those dark crystals are and had been mixed with darkness plants to get a new stuff but they had a mishap and accidentally caused a chain reaction leading to the creation of red crystal?

I was thinking of the large crystal in PNR is originally black, like the one you find in Prairie peaks and infection had caused it to turn red and cause the storm in eden

[versed mirage]

[tough sky]

Yes
It is one of the question, why is this the symbol of the Season of Belonging
And why is it everywhere

Maybe it has something to do with textile work
Not always, but a lot of the places where it is found is on some sort of textile

[versed mirage]

I mean… belonging itself was about coming together. So a device that requires people to come together to be in the photos… sorta makes sense

[oblique garnet]

Cool ideas with the similarity to spirits and hivemind connections, I like the idea that every one of those individuals accessible from the constellation are part of The Light or Megabird or hivemind.
And we can only see those spirits or friends after lighting them, and for the spirits also reliving their memories and shepherding them back to orbit in the temples. So we can access an "echo" or a virtual connection to those spirits and friends. Cool!

[pine sonnet]

A place where we all belong Dies in Captain obvious

jokings aside, What if that symbol is the s thing we drew from highschool?

[oblique garnet]

Wait what murals? I wanna see!

Makes sense tho. Megabird, the Light, Orbit... It could all be the same hivemind.
Or if the credit scene has some additional meaning that's currently unknown (to me), it could be something like one hivemind out of a group of many, like one light sphere out of the hundreds thousands billions of light spheres that Megabird might consist of (at least that's how I interpreted the flight to orbit and the credits from my memory rn)

[pine sonnet]

thats an example xD

[oblique garnet]

Are there more? I only knew of this one but never thought of it as a mural

[pine sonnet]

I forgor to pic other birb photos

[oblique garnet]

Ah sad, maybe I can find them somehow

[pine sonnet]

you should try

[oblique garnet]

I think in-game, as spirits, they don't have that inner light anymore but normally would.
And maybe another possible difference between those Ancestors and skykids could be the red candle? Because the candle seems to be perhaps the most important part of skykids, especially since Revival and the new intro.
I also find interesting how some spirits have capes and some don't. That would mean those winged spirits have some equivalent of a Winged Light, whether it be in the child shape or not. But they never have more than one, contrary to skykids... I wonder what this all means.

[versed mirage]

Granted, the camera item apparels went through many designs before they settled on the one we have.

[oblique garnet]

That could make sense, but I want to suggest another approach: Light.
I feel like that makes even more sense with all the appearances of the symbol. It even feels like the symbol of the whole Kingdom to me. So it can definitely be used for the heart/inner light source thing on skykids representing Light (as the symbol is there on moth fit, and many other clothes seem to have it in similarly important areas too). And of course, important places and structures could use a symbol of Light too.

For the aspect of Belonging, it feels like there could be a connection to the "constellation, lighting and hivemind" topic we talked about earlier. Our inner flame is hinted at with this symbol on the moth fits, and this flame connects us in specific ways with our friends and spirits we freed (with whom our relationship is also called "friendship" iirc) through the Home constellation, so generally this symbol could not only be literal "Belonging" but also the underlying "Light" or something similar imo.

I'm yapping so hard rn, I'm sorry lol 😭

[oblique garnet]

What I always understood was that the "man-made" diamond-shaped darkstone crystals/gems (which the civilization used) could be the product of melting, purifying or further processing from the pure natural darkstone?
Because I saw something about the forest temple and broken GW temple that have this giant golden "dome" with a diamond shape in the center, that was (iirc) theorized to be used for that.
On the other hand, I imagine it would be quite difficult to melt or process a crystal of that size...
But maybe I'm wrong too, maybe that darkstone is not suitable for melting etc.

[oblique garnet]

What I find interesting about this is... How does that dark stone or crystal grow? Is it pure darkness/the physical natural embodiment of darkness or do we just have like tiny spores of darkstone on us? Or maybe we are sone form of that mineral...
Anyone who knows more?

My essay is done y'all 🥹
pls come back

[dreamy saddle]

That’s at office space entrance though which I believe is treated as non-canonical within the game. So def out there intentionally as a megabird reference but prob not meant to have canon implications

My take on darkstone:
We know that natural crystals grow in prairie peaks and once grew in forest caves (see Aurora concert song ‘all is soft inside’) and in treasure reef iirc (treasure reef murals), where it was mined. These crystals don’t recharge light nor do they take any in.
Refined darkstone we see in crystals. It’s been somehow combined with light from butterflies and/or mantas (various supporting sources in canon and concept art, literal process depicted on forest temple door) and this form of darkstone is capable of absorbing any light intentionally put into it, making it a powerful technology to power light into tangible effects- floating boats or buildings, opening doors, etc.
Then red, corrupted darkstone. I don’t think we know how it comes to be but given how it appears during shard events I speculate it formed during the shattering, my theory is by a refined darkstone diamond taking in a surge of light more than its capacity. It’s corrupted into a red state and instead of just taking light given to it, it seeks to take in all light around it (how red shards drain your light if you’re near)

[spiral vault]

the wounded spirit might have been helping the "enemy", so they got kicked out

It might have been a tangled mess of alliances and conflicts

[spiral vault]

i think the wl/stars appearing on the capes is a bug

[versed mirage]

WL appearing on the capes? You mean the stars?

[grizzled vector]

Light has a different symbol though. The thing on the "map stones" etc – a star with four bits in the corners around it

[spiral vault]

maybe the symbol is a political one

[grizzled vector]

As far as capes and winged light, pretty sure winged light is "stored" in capes which are separate entities from skykids themselves. Ancestors could have had a way to make capes that stored winged light somehow. Skykids have capes but it's our "inner light" that makes us different from the Ancestors

[spiral vault]

but if ancestors could store winged light, it would mean they could fly, which they never do

[dreamy frost]

When is this show/movie coming out?

[grizzled vector]

They don't fly naturally and we only ever see them having one "flap" on their capes, which wouldn't really let them fly very far (it would make more sense to use it as a parachute). But strictly speaking there's no reason they couldn't have had capes with "winged light"

[grizzled vector]

Was supposed to release this March, which didn't happen

[pastel hull]

We have three type of dark crystal, one that spawn naturally, one is spirit/elder made and the last one is a corrupted one

The spirit made dark crystal got corrupted and the one we see in Eden, the one in PNR is a spirit made dark crystal

Or Elder made- keep in mind the game did tell us that some of the spirits and Elders over took their lights for granted

And the theory of the spirit/elder made dark crystal that needs to be filled with light creatures sounds dark- but it may be the only reason why it got corrupted in the first place

Which where red dark crystal exist- but this one doesn't spawn naturally but more like it was forced to spawn, since we see how it got scatters around Eden and seeing how Red/Black Shard exists we can safe to assume that's how Eden become like that is because the spirit/elder made dark crystal explodes like a volcano

sorry if my English sounds rough- I just wake up xD

[spiral vault]

i think it makes more sense if skykids were the only one to use winged light

the ancestors probably wore capes as a fashion/cosmetic item

[spiral vault]

i think it'll come this summer

[pastel hull]

Maybe it similarly works like darkness plants, darkness plants tend to trapped light creature especially with butterflies and mantas

Heck, even spirit at one point especially if you relive tearful light minner memory

What if natural dark crystal works the same as darkness plants but since no one got to burn the plant- it consumed the already light creature in it and becoming a crystal

Which a bit weird for a plant to become a creature- but you can think it as like an amber fossil? And Elders seeing how natural dark crystal get produce, decide to make their own version and use light creature as a fuel-

And for dark crystal to spawn on us- similar with how darkness plant catches manta and butterfly.. Including spirit too- it safe to say we are included in that list

[oblique garnet]

True, but I think I mean another type of Light. Idk I feel like skykids have multiple things that could be called light

[oblique garnet]

I like this idea tho

[oblique garnet]

But why would it be a bug? Capes without stars are in the game, I have seen them. This feels rather intentional for me.

[spiral vault]

capes without stars used to be in the case, but sometime around 2021 it changed

in all the concept art and promotional art, the spirits exclusively wear capes without stars

[oblique garnet]

Hmm okay that last part convinces me
(btw capes without stars were in the game earliest last DoBloom, for skykid with 0 wl and cape spell)

[spiral vault]

i'm interested, did the mannequins have stars on the capes?

[oblique garnet]

I have no clue whether spirits or similar entities had/have stars or not, but skykids were able to have "starless" capes by using a cape spell as a wingless

(I admit that's kinda a different story tho, the assets might be completely independent/unrelated who knows)

[spiral vault]

#screenshots-and-videos message

#seasons-events-chat message

It would be strange to claim these mannequins somehow gained winged light

[oblique garnet]

This could be to show players how the stars look on the capes, maybe I'm coping but this is a good explanation for me

[spiral vault]

Perhaps we have to wait for Two Embers for the final confirmation

[oblique garnet]

Or maybe those capes have the WL inside them, I read someone say that WL are memories from everything and everyone concentrated in one spot (wording not good but hope it's understandable) and I always associated these mannequins with "concentrated memories"

But yes, Two Embers will probably show spirits with capes so we only gotta wait

[spiral vault]

As cool as some bugs are, it's simply too difficult to fit them into the lore

[oblique garnet]

If it's confirmed that it's a bug, I won't try lol

(What I meant is, I didn't know that it's a bug and would like to know the reasons and the explanation)

[oblique garnet]

Oh this is interesting, I gotta look into that one day.
Apparently my knowledge about/take on dark crystal + stone and all is not as good as I thought

[pine sonnet]

Oh

so those stuff arent canon?

There goes my theory out the window then xD

[dreamy saddle]

As I’ve seen it stated before, the entity referred to in concept art as ‘megabird’ still basically exists in game, but referred to as ‘the light’. When in Orbit before rebirth, you can look up and see a symbol of megabird in the stars above. And another motif of the megabird/the light is possibly referenced in the portal to Aviary

(image 1: depiction of megabird prob linked to aviary portal (the topmost image)) (image 2: megabird in orbit) (image 3: another possible mural depiction)

[pine sonnet]

Hivemind theory still stands then xD, but that's just a theory tho,

A GAME THEORY

Game theory theme intensifies

[dreamy saddle]

you'll love this detail: throughout just about every realm, we can see bird flying in various set paths, even in eden, and we see these when we fly into the Light in orbit, seeming to show the migrating stream of living light creatures as a part of the depicted tendrils/arms/feathers/what-have-you of megabird

ah here's a pic from google

[pine sonnet]

True

In megabird we are one

Laughs at Dark worms because tgc seriously? Dark worms for the squigglers?

[tough sky]

The way I see it, we have a winged light from the moment we start the game
Or actually no, it's not really a wl but it's similar, just in us already
And I'm talking about our inner light

I think it's the first wl that we loose and its light is immitated (I almost used the forbidden word) by the next wl that we have
Although
Now that I think about it, it doesn't make much sense
Since when we loose wl we start by loosing the ones we collected

My point is still the same, our inner light is the same as wl

Light Awaits is not canon anymore but I believe that the beginning of the game would "prove" that
I'll have to see if I can find a video

[tough sky]

You can also see megabird at the end of the credits

[dreamy saddle]

That is true, I didn’t include that example cause I’m not sure if a game credit scene could be taken as something canonically existing in the game itself

[tough sky]

Since we can see it when in Orbit, I think it's canon enough

[upbeat notch]

Btw where does the Ancient Light and Ancient Darkness fit into the Lore?

[lucid bridge]

As I see it, they are primordial forces of the world. Neither is good or evil, just neutral. What is important is that Light and Dark must be balanced, as is natural. The Ancestors disrupted this balance by killing light creatures and concentrating darkness into energy crystals; the dark Eden crystal was the most egregious example of this, its shattering spreading darkness across the land. This disruption led to environmental destruction and the apocalypse.

Light is sort of like life, energy, immaterial, where dark is more like material, death, consumption. There’s an opposite for everything. But instead of light and dark being spread evenly it’s become concentrated, whether that be mantas and stars, or planets and krill. This is my theory.

[upbeat notch]

I can definitely agree that they are neutral because of the fact that we are also getting outfits out of the ancient darkness and not only out of the ancient light but I still dont really see how they fit into the lore

[lucid bridge]

They are two forces in the game, like earth and water. They’re everywhere and it’s what the world is made out of.

[upbeat notch]

ok but like...did (whoever that is) create light and darkness and then light went: "I want my creatures to be reborn in a Megabird" and darkness is like: "k Ima just take everything that you made and claim it as my own lol" (obviously Im joking but I just dont know where to put these two/four)

[keen shore]

Idk man I think beetles are cool :(

Wait

[inland cliff]

Ancient light actually takes a certain form like Megabird whereas Ancient darkness is almost similar to dark matters, they only exist without any actual representation

[mild aurora]

Hello lore chat my friend told me about messengers from the star,I don't really understand it does anyone know who they are and what they do?

[grizzled vector]

What "messengers from the star"? Are you talking about Traveling Spirits? They are spirits from earlier Seasons.

Original spirits (the blue ones you find on your first journey) can be found in the constellation of the corresponding Realm/Temple. Since then, more spirits had been added through Seasons. Since Seasons are temporary, there is no Season constellation once that Season is over, so instead those spirits return as Traveling Spirits. One returns every other week (though it may take a year or more for the same spirit to come back again)

[pine sonnet]

Ancient darkness papa doesnt want our skids to misthink that he is bad

[frosty rampart]

Any ideas on what the ancients ate apart from crabs ?

[pine sonnet]

They salted it and grilled the thing

coz they cant eat L i g h t

[frosty rampart]

They must had some grain and other kind of food because of the farms in wasteland

Also mushrooms

Mushroom soup with grilled crab legs #foodlore

[upbeat notch]

#foodtheory if we take grandma as part of the lore she can propaly only cook things she was able to cook back then so whatever she is serving us for dinner, that it what ancestors could eat too

[slate slate]

I don’t know whether to put this in #questions-and-help or here so I’m just guessing

What are sky kids😭 I’ve heard some people say that they are humans, I’ve heard other people say they are made of clay. I’ve seen sky kids eat so do they need food and water? 😭 if they eat that means they have a digestive system which leads me to believe they are human, but official art shows them without mouths so are they just clay?

And another question, am I looking tooo far into this💀

[upbeat notch]

Thats lore, that belongs here

[slate slate]

Ah

[upbeat notch]

So Sky kids are their own species and hybrids between light creature and Human and my personal theory is that they just turn everything they consume streight into energy for them, tho they properly dont need it to survive

(Source for the pictures: https://www.tomzhao.com/sky1)

[slate slate]

Ohhh ok

Still trying to understand all the lore and stuff but that helps so much!

[upbeat notch]

If you have more questions ask away ^^

[distant turtle]

That portal frame is also used for the rebirth gateway

[rigid lagoon]

eheh.. lore. grab some food and drinks and reads

[nimble ingot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRvewNT66t0
That art of Sky book video has dropped!

[frosty rampart]

Woah 125 , pretty deluxe indeed

But very cool collector's item

[lucid bridge]

Well there are the buns in the cafe, the balls that Grandma makes, the flowers are seen in the cafe kitchen too so they must be an ingredient, and we also see mushrooms being grown in the Ark. I don’t know if the ancients ate fish or not, but there are fishing poles, too

[dire night]

Im pretty sure the buns aren't part of the canon considering its tied to a collab. Im sure the Ancients ate anything from Mantas to fish to crabs.

We do know that polluted eater was most likely consumed as some sort of alcohol based off the drunkard spirit in the starlight dessert. But i do admit that because its from a collab it cant be taken as gospel.

Thats why i hope they add more foods to the cafe. It would really help to expand the world. But i do hope that TGC isn't gonna be restricted to plant based food. I know the game is about protecting the environment but id love to see a large variety of dishes, even if they contain meat.

[upbeat notch]

Buns are still in the game tho even after Cinnamoroll left

[dreamy saddle]

Could we maybe draw the assumption that a spirit called ‘dismayed hunter’ implies they hunted animals for sustenance?

[dire night]

Ye exactly 💯

[dire night]

I just think its because its the only food TGC coded in. I hope in the future they change it, but im doubtful they will if we look at their track record 😦

[dreamy saddle]

What are y’all’s best guesses on what grandmas food actually is? I sometimes imagine dumplings, sometimes pastries

Or because Sky is a game with vague biblical allusions (‘Eden’, elder names in concept art being Hebrew letters, etc) I sometimes imagine it as manna, the food featured in the Bible as being provided by god

[dire night]

Manna would be cool

[waxen ermine]

Actually fun fact
The golden wasteland was originally called “The Wastes of Manna”

[upbeat notch]

Whats a wastes?

[waxen ermine]

Well.. wasteland I’m assuming

And Vault of Knowledge was originally called “The Forbidden Vault”

So a lot of religious imagery
Eden (called “The Original Sin” in Japanese) = Garden of Eden where humans lived in heaven before they were cast down, the first sin committed by humans for disobeying God
Forbidden Vault/ Vault of Knowledge: Forbidden fruit that Adam and Eve ate that got them expelled from heaven (which they ate from the tree of knowledge)
Shores of Manna: Honestly I have no idea, manna is mentioned as a food given to the Hebrews after they escaped Egypt
Golden Valley (Valley of Triumph’s original name): ?????
Weeping Forest (Hidden Forest’s original name:???
Plains of Day (Daylight Prairies original name):???
Isle of Dawn: ???

[upbeat notch]

Thats interesting...what Forbidden knowledge could be in the vault of knowledge

[waxen ermine]

Oops sorry, I made a mistake, it was called Shores of Manna not “Wastes” of Manna

[upbeat notch]

Also I just thought of something

Not to be rude or anything but is the Bearhug Hermit an Ancestor?

[waxen ermine]

Yes

[upbeat notch]

But are we sure?

[waxen ermine]

I mean, I don’t see why not, even Peeking Postman falls in love with him

He could just be a wacky looking hermit, like how in cartoons hermits grow beards and stuff

[upbeat notch]

He got horns tho

[waxen ermine]

Maybe some ancestors have other extremities on them too (could be just a hat though)

[upbeat notch]

Hm okay

But I just thought of something else: Why do the ancient lights and darkness(es) give us clothing that resembles creatures of light and darkness and a plant

[waxen ermine]

Gaming stuff, players wanted these cosmetics for a long time
I think this was the only way this could be worked in

[upbeat notch]

ok but Lore wise why is there a plant cosmetic when the rest of the ancients clothing resemble creatures

[boreal hare]

i wouldnt consider the ancient light and darkness as ancestors, im pretty sure theyre their own seperate beings

[upbeat notch]

I honestly see them as one of the first things ever, way before the ancestors existed

[boreal hare]

yea, exactly. Ancestors are humanoids while the ancient light and dark are like, entities or abstract forms of said elements?

[upbeat notch]

Weird thing is, they dont have any humanoid forms and yet they give us accessories

Usually we get the accessories that the ghost wears but not in this case

[boreal hare]

hm, well, i like to imagine that we dont ACTUALLY get the accessories from the spirits, as they arent physically there, like, we can see and interact with them but we cant touch them or anything. I like to imagine that since skykids are part light they learn to morph those items on themselves, somehow, which would also explain how multiple skykids can have the same item from one spirit, and could also explain the extensive changes that can be done to their appearance like changes of skin color and instant lengthening/shortening and such of hair.

I think the ancient light and dark just give the skykids the items in exchange for currency, though, im not sure why theyd need it, alongside normal spirits.

[upbeat notch]

And because Sky kids are both part Light and Dark they can do this with both ancient Light and Darkness?

[boreal hare]

part dark? Never heard that. But i suppose so, yes, it would make the most sense

oh, the chart uh, doesnt show that skykids are part dark, it overlaps with human (ancestor) and light,

[upbeat notch]

I take back my point

[boreal hare]

again, as shown in other concept art, its shown that skykids are a marge between light and ancestor, and not darkness, but ancestors fall near the same category as darkness which makes the chart a bit confusing, but also, i suppose i can see it in some circumstances

[upbeat notch]

Lets just say: Children of light arent 100%, purely creatures of light

[boreal hare]

oh also, my apologies if i come across as aggressive, all theories are cool and i would totally look into skykids being half light and half dark

[upbeat notch]

Oh no no your good the mistake was on my part I acctualy didnt see you as aggressive lol

[boreal hare]

yea. Gotta be honest, not sure what to say except for agreeing here lolz

[upbeat notch]

Ancestors were very much grey/neutral when it comes to light and darkness since we got ancestors on the side of light and ancestors on the side of darkness

[boreal hare]

yep, though i think if anything, like the chart says they all end up being indifferent at the end of the day. My personal theory is that the ancestors came from a different land to the world of sky, and then after some of them became more connected to the light or dark since it wouldnt (shouldnt?) be present outside of there.

[celest birch]

Except when ascending from Orbit, I reckon.