lore-discussion-spoilers

[grim horizon]

hold on. does this mean that all the elders are dead? I thought i read somewhere that the elders arent dead but are somewhere outside of time and space

[lucid bridge]

Maybe. I assumed it meant they were dead but it’s not stated outright. I’ll revise my post to reflect the ambiguity.

[dense inlet]

This is my interpretation and totally not related to my headcanon that Samekh are Forest Elder and Wasteland Elder's twin sons

While the twins were arriving as Elders and falling from the sky, only one star was seen

But then, for some reason, the star split before crashing onto the ground near the Valley. When the people saw what was up, they saw twin babies and both had one arm missing. I believe that the Valley Twins have an arm prosthetic.

I also agree with what MogaoStrom said. The twins are kind of like a representation of their realm since I believe that Valley of Triumph is the main hub of sports, art, theatre, etc.

I think the twins kind of represent friendly competition between opponents in sports.

I also think that the Elders represent their realms as well

So yeah, I think the twins being split/being twins is a representation of the realm's friendly competitiveness, teamwork, and appreciation of both two things.

[soft matrix]

What do you think of the time era sky was set in?

idk if office counts

[dense inlet]

I don't think the world of Sky follows the same eras that real life has. Sky world is its own world and universe

Haha into the Skyverse

[lucid bridge]

@soft matrix The office is generally considered an Easter egg where it represent our real world and not the kingdom of sky. As for what era the game takes place in, @dense inlet is correct that the sky world doesn’t follow the same eras that earth civilization has.
In concept art, we see there were three eras in the Sky kingdom. The first was the Fire era (pre-industrialization), the second was the Darkstone era (industrialization), and the third was the Storm era (apocalypse and post-apocalypse). The game takes place either in the Storm era or after it, where all ancestors have died and the children of the light (us) are sent down to guide lost spirits back to the Light. Mind you, all this is stated in concept art and not stated outright in-game. So, take that as you will.

[merry plover]

wait i thought it was a guy and a girl twins

[lucid bridge]

They could be. None of the elders genders are revealed, they might not even have genders at all, so they’re left up to player interpretation.

[edgy kernel]

interesting, do you have or remember any concept art that mentions the eras or hints at em? I've had some theories in my mind for a while about there being two different ones before the shattering, but haven't been able to connect very well much to it, other than kinda general pre-darkstone stuff like how isle has mechanisms to power doors, but they're by flame/light directly, without a darkstone component.

for some reason i remember there being something to forest like, there being a time before the rain there, but i dont know where i heard that or if i thought about that for some other reason

[hushed steeple]

Exelent post @lucid bridge 🤩🤩🤩

Though I do want to add that Valley probably relied on boath Forest and Waistland for its darkstone tech and suply ( mostly HF at first, mostly GW in the end)

Being surounded on boath sides by industrial centers, Valley probably never needed to build factory's of its own, and insted focused its decelopment in different areas.

Art, sport, music, theater, performance, archetectural design, ceremony's, tourism manta training(leter also manta traping and export 😖)....
These are the areas the people of the Valley realm exeled at, and what they offered to the other realms, in exchange for light, craft and darkstone.....

[dreamy saddle]

I once saw a cool theory that the scrapped idea of a priestess elder for valley (from concept art) could have been a parent to the twins and maybe let them take over the realm

[hushed steeple]

Its a fun thing to be shure...but somehow I doubt it😅
The twins have been twins for most of concept art era from before Sky Awaits
Its also unlikely that the Elders (being imortal, unique from all other ancesters and particularly strong with the force...of light😅 ) would need/have children.
Even in the hypothetical scenarion that they did, you would think that the Priestess would still have some kind of presence, inpact or record in the world sky

[dreamy saddle]

the theory did speculate on some images on doors and statues near the arena- one moment let me try to find the post im thinking of, it explains better than i can (tho i agree with ur reasoning lol)

its not letting me send the link??

[light minnow]

wait wdym the elders are immortal
they seem pretty dead to me currently

[hushed steeple]

Thanks☺️

Although with that being said, I do want to mention that this one on the left is the only existing reprisentation of Sahmekh, while these are a few of the old versions of the twins from before they started looking closer to there modern version.
So while I have no doubt that there is a statue of some sort depicting old preastes like version of the elders, it might not be Sahmekh, but an older version of Sah and Mech

(kinda like how Forest temple has the mask of the old version of forest mama

[hushed steeple]

Well more in the Lord of the rings Elf version of imortal😅

Its hard to get up again when your body gets oblidirated from a point blenk max power detonation of the Elder diamond😅

[light minnow]

To be fair
Isle elder does seem visibly old too
From old age

[hushed steeple]

I will give you that☺️
Although he was probably the oldest of all the elders and still around from the begining, so elders live for ages
Like I said before, we would have seen some evidence of Sahmekh's existance if they ever existed in the lore
Given that the she was long gone as a concept at this stage of the elder developmant, I kinda doubt she is

[light minnow]

Oh yeah i'm not arguing in favor of her theory
Just discussing elders

Does make me wonder how long the elders have lived though

[hushed steeple]

Fair enough☺️

I do need to apologise for maby speding missinformation myself
The imortality thing is directly stated in the concept art, but we dont have direct conformation in the curent lore

[light minnow]

Right fair enough

[hushed steeple]

I have to imagine ages.
Granted we dont know how long the old sky civilization has lasted ( a few centurys, a thousend years, a few thousend years), bet they must have been here early in its history (especially Isle elder) so preaty old I would say

[lucid bridge]

My theory is that the Elders never die of old age but they keep growing, so they’ve become very tall

[light minnow]

I feel like age does negatively impact isle elder Looking at how they move in cutscene
Even looks like they rely on light magic at this point to help them
But that might also be influenced by the whole "getting nuked by the crystal" part

[stiff pecan]

No way this task wants me to amidiatly go to the god dang ||afterlife||

[lucid bridge]

I think the “getting nuked by the crystal” is why every elder has a broken part of them. They got injured.

I have a theory for the Season of the Nine Colored Deer. I think the whole season takes place inside a play being performed by spirits.

[hushed steeple]

Im not shure if I would go so far as to say its "inside a play", as if this is some kind of performance.
I feel that if were going this rout, then I feel it makes more sence that this is a story that exists in the world of sky, and we have entered within the world of said story ( you know, like in the style of...kid reading a book about arabian nights, and finds himself within the world of the story becouse of shenanigens😅 )

[hushed steeple]

Personally, I like to think that there had been a distant oasis land, somewhere in the regions beyond starlight desert that was the basis for this story.
The actual place is long gone and forgoten now, only this one tail remaining remaining and enduring as a tail within the Voult of knowlige

Just as in real world legends, where the trough ends and the story begins is hard to say.

[edgy kernel]

I want to think a bit about the newest quest in the season so I'll put it in spoiler tags incase anyone hasn't done it yet! -
||Quite interesting that we see a bunch of stuff with the life in sky, like the crab whos scared of the darkness that in a panic actually knocks us over we dont see many crabs not touched by darkness, and this little guy was cool.
Theres also the baby mantas, which i dont think we've ever even seen before?
and then I find that smaller less strong krill still super interesting, it actually opened its eye for this quest, while it was chasing down a manta. Seemed like they weren't fast enough to catch them, maybe just waiting for the manta to tire before they'd get them. We've seen em do the krill attack on us before, and bigger krill are able to chase down mantas that we've seen in wasteland, or atleast ambush them better. ||

[lucid bridge]

You can find some baby mantas in the Sanctuary Islands near the bell tower and during the Light Whisperer spirit memory in the Wind Paths.

[edgy kernel]

ahh interesting, i remember small ones but not ones that sounded like that

[rocky grove]

guys, there's a day night cycle in valley now?

[dense inlet]

I think that's more of a feature for Days of Fortune 2024

Correct me if I'm wrong

[lucid bridge]

Yeah it’s a feature for Days of Fortune, for the dragon race.
There’s also some night-time areas in the other realms for the Season of Passage quests

[hushed steeple]

Also Priery praks, and Aviary, and Im shure more to come in the future.

[fading ginkgo]

Someone who's more well versed in the lore than me, could you mind explaining how spirits showing up in aviary village works?

[hushed steeple]

I think its a combination of us very slowly healing the world, the unique nature of the Aviary, something conected to the Hopeful Steward (for whole a polular theory exists thay he is one of the two embers), and the events of the 4th quest, where we are sent on a journey through edan to ascent, and posily establish a link with the ascendent spirits.

[hushed steeple]

While most ordinery spirits we first meet on earth are nothing more then echoes of the past, there are some spirits (especially the seasonal spirits) that have a much stronger bond with a particular region, and as such could not only manifest themself's more substantially in said region, but even exert there influance apon the land.
All of this is only possible becouse of the actuions of sky kids, who work to slowly heel the world by burning dark plants, and helping the spirits in there need, as well as shearing our light with them.
These days it shas gotten to the point that curtain spirits can manifest in sky more then there initial visit, but even then there presence in these places is still very limited and temporary

In Aviary however, bocouse of all these factors working together, the spirits can manifest themselfs in a way that we've never seen before

[light minnow]

How are seasonal spirits more present than regular ones?
They behave pretty similarly

It's the guides that seem to be a lot more involved to me

[hushed steeple]

Well they are a step above s lot of the normal spirits that are just a memory and nothing more
We are able to interact with them to a limited extent, help them

The seasonal guides naturally have the biggest presence of them all
Its a bit of a gradiant I supose

[light minnow]

You mean guides?
Seasonal spirits is a term that refers to the purple spirits, who are also just memories
Like
It's longer memories
But still only memories

I guess some of them you guide along to their memory? But that's not really being more present to me
Could be argued for i guess but not by a really large margin

[hushed steeple]

I supoase that makes sence.....wait....hold on just a minute🤔

The thing that we see when we light there body's for the first time is only a memory
Im not shure if the rest of it that involves us interacting with them works by ghost of christmass past rules😅
Even if its not entirely us interacting with them (which I do agree), its still a step above pure momory, its still a stronger presence then a lot of comman spirits

[light minnow]

I mean either way that interaction goes the exact same as it does for regular spirits
I don't see where there's a step above here
I do think it counts as some form of interaction, since once we collect them we see a proper memory play out and are taught something by the spirit
Also regular spirits aren't just pure memory either : they actively wait for us at the temple once we see their past, and then we can interact with them similarly to TS (just on demand)

[hushed steeple]

Most comman spirit memories never aknowlige our presence, seasonal spirits do

[light minnow]

They do, in that they wait for us to thank us at the temple

I just remembered seasonal spirits also show up in seasonal quests beyond their memory reliving
But my point stands that these spirits all acknowledge us after being freed from that weird shell corpse thing

And then they all act the same once in orbit too
I don't think seasonal spirits are inherently more present than regular spirits
I just think that seasonal spirits have a tie to their guide instead of the usual tie to an elder temple

Or well
"Usual"
At this point there's 37 regulars and 87 seasonals so i guess i can't really call regular spirits the norm

[hushed steeple]

Well this is why I said before " there are some spirits (especially seasonal spirits)".
That includes many of the regular spirits too

[light minnow]

I mean
I feel like that's not much of a matter of being "more" present in a way
Rather just being more involved i guess
lazy spirits

[hushed steeple]

I still belive there is a slight gradiant in how much of a presence spirits have
It might have been wrong of me to put seasonal spirits on a pedistole and seperate from all the others

[light minnow]

I guess that's where it's really up to personal belief

For me they're pretty much all equivalent but because they're different people they don't act the same with the little sky beans

[hushed steeple]

Or else would say that everything thars ever conected with us changing the enviroment outside our direct actions is exclusively the effect of the season guide
That they and they alone are responcible for all interactions, all changes....

[light minnow]

Though one thing i do agree with you on is that there's clearly a special thing going on with aviary
They're able to freely move, roam and interact
Together and with you

[light minnow]

They alone along with our help
Which does make me wonder where exactly the limits of spirit guides are
They can clearly make more impact that your average spirit, but still need our help to actually do stuff
Most of what guides do looks like they have magic abilities but much less means to do physical interaction? Kinda just speculating here

[hushed steeple]

Wait, what about the music shop?
What about seasonal spirits returning for events
Is that all non canon?

[light minnow]

Ohhhh wait right that is a good point
I completely forgot they showed up in events and stuff (because me is moff)

[hushed steeple]

Seasonal spirits are the first to experiance ( though to a far far more limited extent) what's happened in Aviary

[light minnow]

Actually
You know a lot about older sky
Have events always featured spirit frens like now?

[hushed steeple]

I think that does count for something

Perhaps they might not have had anything special about that them originally, but there bond with the season guide had given them a boost in presence, boath in the season and beyond that

[light minnow]

Maybe the seasonal spirits interact more with the kingdom because they're given a reason to stay?

[hushed steeple]

Though maby I am just overthinking this and seeing paterns that dont exist😅

[light minnow]

That question is just out of pure curiosity to be honest
Not trying to seek a pattern or something here
I just wonder about stuff i wasn't there to see

[hushed steeple]

I think thats the best explanation for all of this.

[light minnow]

Since me is very smol revival moth
I finished doing all seasonal quests last week

[hushed steeple]

No, I should be apologising
I was too harsh, and maby getting too caried away with my own head cannons😅

[light minnow]

Harsh?
You wern't harsh
I geniunely don't see what to apologize for

[hushed steeple]

Thanks budy, you are too kind😅

[light minnow]

Still curious about this though

[hushed steeple]

Honestly I dont want to make theory's just becouse they sound interesting. I want there to be good reasoning for it, a basis in the game and the wider material of sky and/or world history/ nature

But I can get caried away with my own headcanons and take some things for granted, and might not think things through and explain them properly😅

[light minnow]

I mean
That's just part of doing lore i feel, it's hard to always stay grounded
And mistakes are bound to happen along the way
especially in an open ended game like sky
But that's also why it's great to be able to discuss lore with others, it helps challenge our own views and update them

[hushed steeple]

Im.....not entirely curtain I understand the question🤔

[light minnow]

The question is basically
Did seasonal spirits always show up in events (for example fortune currently has performance spirits)
Or is that a more recent development

[hushed steeple]

Hmmm....good question...🤔
Depending on what you mean by recent.

I might need to check again when this kind of practise first started

I will say that for as long as there have been events that involve spirits, its always been seasonal spirits

[hushed steeple]

Although....with that being said....its hard to tell if that inply's that in- universe that makes then special...or if its more a game limitation thing
( you need a spirit, you got unique character models, and players whould be hyped for the cameo, so it makes sence to use them)..

This might require further investigation🤔

[light minnow]

Yeah it's hard to interpret
Actually now that i think of it
How long have events even been a thing for

[hushed steeple]

3 years I think.....

Actually, can you wait 5 minutes, I need to check this out

[hushed steeple]

Ok, so looking at just Days of Fortune, the first version of this event happened in January 2020, half a year after the the live release of the game, but before the Andoroind release in April 2020

Befors that were only the 2019 Holoween and Christmass event

[hushed steeple]

The seasonal spirits were not present in 2020 Fortune, and Im not curtain about 2021, but in 2022, 2023 the Gratitude spirits were leading the season, and Im preaty shure this had already become a thing before in 2021

[severe flare]

My interpretation about how/why spirits still show up and hang out certain places after being freed to Orbit is that after we guide them there, their soul is permanently one with the Light, but they sometimes sort of project their spirit “bodies” back down to the Sky kingdom for periods of time to hang out with sky kids during events or to spend time in the Aviary (or in Performance spirits’ cases, to spend a bunch of time goofing off in Harmony Hall )

[light minnow]

Thanks

[crude flume]

im the dude that got the hamok mega nerfed. I will forever be in sky history lore and that prop will be my footprint and legacy

I thought yall were gonna fix the bug not the hamok 😭🕊️ rip hamok! Sacrifices are needed for progress

if any key figures see this pls bring its old abilities, players litteraly use other stuff to do the same thing and even more efficiently… 😦

i dont feel shame for what i did!

[obtuse tapir]

I was researching on what shapes represent for an artclass project, then saw this for triangles and was reminded of those patterns on sky dresses and capes, so i decided i might wanna share this.

[edgy kernel]

random thought on shard eruptions -

I notice the light beams around it actually turn red before its about to erupt, and after erupting they expand past the screen due to how bright it is. My clip cuts off here but what i also noticed was how when you can finally see it again as the light recedes and the normal beams/symbol shrinks back to its regular size, its actually golden as it returns, like it should be. As its returning to its regular size, you also see the shards spawn, which has red version of the symbol on it, as it flies out.

People generally seem to refer to that sorta pattern around eden as being a symbol of the king's light, so i wonder if changing the color here to red for shards, is meant as a way to symbolize the king's light itself being corrupted

( here's an older clip, showing the symbol getting smaller, but returning gold and not red ) last like 10 seconds heh, you can even see the red light symbol in the distance for one of the shards

theres something in my head about crystals being like glass, changing the color of the light that goes through them. Its still the kings light, but made red by the eden crystal its shining out through. makes me think about how people theorize that its the king we meet when we die in eden, like they're trapped inside the eden crystal, shining brightly as they did when the kingdom was at its peak, but through the crystal glass of the eden crystal which has them trapped.

A terrible thought but, if they used light creatures to fuel darkstone maybe it wasn't out of the question to fuel the Eden crystal with the king and their light

[young gull]

(unrelated to the convo that is above me)

im a lil heartbroken, in the second quest, a crab hides from the dark dragon, meaning that, dark dragons eat the poor lil crabs.
i originally thought the krills were buddies with the crab, but nope 💔 apparently krills only get along with krills 💔

[edgy kernel]

Maybe the ones that aren't already affected by darkness might be targeted by krill

[hushed steeple]

So a few things.

First, the symbol that your talking about.
Obviacely thats a lens flear, an optical effect of bright light sorces. Light energy seames to have very caractic version of this, as its seen around edan, but also around winged lights, orbit.......

[edgy kernel]

mhm. its definitely one of those, but its very uniquely shaped, and i note the symbolism can show up in other places too, like eden castle as its floating in the sky during the ascent to orbit

[hushed steeple]

Second, I think there is a bit of a missconception that that is specificly the symbol for the king.
Rather, different symbols all ment to represent the glow of light, and more symbolicly light and megabird itself have been around long before the king.

The prince had been shown with his own version of the symbol of light in murals, showing how he was chosen or blessed by it, but over time after he become the king, he apropriated that icanography and made that symbol his own ( and made his own variant of course)

[hushed steeple]

Like I said, light energy has a unique lense flear. That glow become symbolic of The Light, and symbols/sculptures that represent it are to this day still present in Daylight Priery, as well as a new version of it on the shilds of the resistance dureing the great war

[edgy kernel]

hmm, i hadn't seen the symbol in prairie yet

[lucid bridge]

Just saying
The hint that the Doublefive Light Catcher “Is making lunch for the Assembly kids”
That’s all
(I know that the hints aren’t canon but I like some of them, such as this one)

[hushed steeple]

Its the one that looks kinda like a sun.

Like I said, its not really 1 sybol, but an art motife, and the kings version is what everyone thinks first
( thats good propaganda right there🤣)

[hushed steeple]

Wait really
Where did you read that?

[hushed steeple]

Gonna have to go now
Maby we can finish this another time

[lucid bridge]

https://sites.google.com/view/skyhints/season-of-lightseekers

[hushed steeple]

Ok, I wont have time to talk more about it, and unfortunatly I dont have all the pictures on my phone ( R.I.P sky photo album😭)
But long story short....

This is one example of the light symbol
There are more different version of this art motif in priery and other places

[edgy kernel]

interesting choice to make the headphones ingame that shape too, heh

[dull igloo]

So I just did the Aurora concert again for the 3rd time I think, and I noticed a LOT of heavy lore within the concert itself. Has anyone analyzed the concert?

[compact shale]

Wait are ALL the hints not canon?

I know some hints are joke hints but not all of them sound like that

[hushed steeple]

Nooo....😭
I have no time, and no pictures right now to answer that

Can you wait like.....mmm....6 hours😅
There is a loooot of good lore in aurora

[nimble ingot]

They are Dark creatures. And dangerous ones at that.

We have learned with crabs, uou can get relatively tamed ones even though they are considered dark creatures when hostile to light creatures (skykids included).

So far in the game there are:

• peaceful crabs that dont attack (ex. sanctuary and the second deer quest-kinda lol)
• territorial/hostile crabs that charge at skykids and occasionally found in dark water.
• corrupted shard crabs from shard events

Krill are Dark Dragons that hunger for and hunt Light.
I shudder at the thought of there being a sharded krill in Sky. Seeing how much more aggressive and dangerous the red shard make dark creatures.

[nimble ingot]

The lore is open to interpretations.

The TS hints may just be a non-canon way to make spirits more interesting. Although it is up for debate whether these hints actually apply to the spirits in the game, or the dev (Ash and/or other dev's) take on the lore.

[lucid bridge]

I mean, I don’t think so. But you can interpret some of them as being true if you want. It’s just for fun anyways

[dull igloo]

I can absolutely wait 6 hours 😂😂 I’m excited to hear what you have!!

[hushed steeple]

Oh wow, thanks ☺️
Almost done here, so I will be starting in like an hour

[hushed steeple]

So...Aurora, boy is there a lot to talk about Aurora
Even the question of the exact canonisity of this season, and the nature of the sky character of Aurora is something that has been debated at lengh on this channel.
But to skip a looong story and a lot of debating, I'll just focuse on the songs for now, and the glimps that they give into sky's history

[dull igloo]

I’m so ready xD

[hushed steeple]

QUEST 1 (RUNAWAY)

The Aurora quest in Isle of Down starts with a boy climbing out of a boat at the shores of the isle, and being guided by a spirit through the land.
At the moment it is unclear who this child is, if he is a sky kid like us, when this all happenes, and where did the child come from originaly
There are a lot of theory's and inplications to this, but I'd rather not get into that rabit hole right now, at least not until the sky animation cleares some stuff up about the world and its origins. Sorry😅

In the memory, the guide seams to be explaining the murals and history of sky (which the child seams totally uninterested about), before leaving the caves.
The child runs off in exitemant, wanting to reach the boats as soon as possible, with the spirit bearly able to keep up.
While the child gets up the ridge with the help of the guide, the ancester is left behind, and its only much later when the child returns that they realise his guide has had a fatal fall😔

The boy greaves for the loss of there friend, a tumbstone erected for them in the fild.
Afterwords, the child continues there journey alone, runing towards the boats and the great rock that leads toward the Isle Temple

[lucid bridge]

Interesting reusing of assets - roses from TLP on the gravestone and Assembly symbol on the spirit’s backpack

[hushed steeple]

Interesting indeed.
To be compleatly honest, I dont have a lot of lore stuff to add to this.
I have a bunch of ideas and theory's, but a lot of them Im unshure about at the moment, and I would rather wait until the animation before I explain what I mean😅

.
.
QUEST 2 (ALL IS SOFT INSIDE)

Now the quest happening in forest, that I do got a lot to talk about☺️

These events take place in the great ubderground cavern under the elevating clearig. And it is here that we are finally shown what these caverns actually were in the old days...
DARKSTONE MINES

[edgy kernel]

just gonna jump in real quick to sorta think about the stuff from before, I hadn't paid enough attention to the actual shattering memory sorta "spirit" that seems to show a better view of the general shape of the eden crystal. its got what looks like one power diamond in the middle, and then a larger one built around it. the center one seems fully intact here though weirdly enough, maybe still containing something as its not shattered? Haven't seen anyone mention it before, but I wonder if the outer shell was for some specific other purpose, like to change the light color, or to amplify it somehow.
the shattered crystals are red like the eden crystal, which isn't the color of typical darkstone, so i'm thinking its probably some kind of other material for some other purpose maybe

[hushed steeple]

Hmm....good question
To e honest I dont know much about this inner diamond inside the crystal.
As the actual edan diamons is not this fragmanted, we cant see inside of it or conferm this😅
This is an area were I have to say, "I dont know😅 ", and wait for the animation to shed some light on this, a there is no mural, concept art, or evidence in the game itself that explains more about the inner/outer shell thing

I do however have something to say about the red glow

[edgy kernel]

yeah, i dont think even if you could get that close in actual eden you'd be able to see it LOL
next time i'm in the final shattering memory, i'll try and see if i can get an angle on it. ( todays memory had the whales in it )

[hushed steeple]

I dont belive the red glow has anything to do with the crystal changing the colour of the light, or it being a different material.
The best that I can tell, the row material of the Edan diamond is the same as power crystals, and it seams that originally the diamond was in fact blue like all the other crystals

Rather, the red glow is a consequence of the crystal becomeing corupred

Besides the edan diamond itself, there are red crystals all over edan (likely fragments that were blown away from the diamond dureing the first eruption) that drain your energy

Likewise when you stand in dark water that also drain your light, said light turns red as it leaves you and go's towards the water (same thing goes for the red crystals)

[edgy kernel]

the quote in quest 1 for season of enchantment does mention red light can be found where darkness prevails, though I hadn't noticed that your light turns red as the dark water takes it. I think i'll go take a look at that

[hushed steeple]

Hopefully I still have the pic
(My original sky photo albums all got destroyed when I got the new phone, and a lot of pics were not backed up on my computer)😭

[edgy kernel]

I'm over in wasteland i'll grab one in a moment heh

[hushed steeple]

Ah, found one

[edgy kernel]

you can see the gradient of it, heh

[hushed steeple]

also same thing goes for the particularty nasty plants in the Oasis. There kinda like anti light blooms here😆

[edgy kernel]

theres an odd relationship with blue and red with darkness stuff

[hushed steeple]

So yeah, the red light of crystals is a result of coruption

[hushed steeple]

TGS does like useing contrasting colours as part of there worldbuilding and emotional storytelling☺️

[hushed steeple]

Also, now that Im here
Here are more examples of the light motive in sky art

There's a lot more to this...but like said before, my photo colection is still kinda a mess, and unfortunatly I run out of time😅

[edgy kernel]

that particular symbol i see referred to as the king's symbol quite a lot, but its also this symbol which i think the game directly refers to as the light, heh. somewhat shaped differently, but similar general idea

[hushed steeple]

Well Iike I said before, that symbol wasnt originally his
He just apropriated it for his own, an modefied it into his own version

[edgy kernel]

i wonder if theres any significance between the two versions there then, being the symbol on the ground vs the one you follow

[queen kestrel]

Question, are any of the collab seasons canon?

[edgy kernel]

I wouldn't say they're non canon, they seem adapted to fit the story of sky, and i believe aurora specifically has a lot to show about the world of sky

[hushed steeple]

Very true
Although with how the latest season is set up, it feels more that we are experiancing a story about something that did exist and happen once (with all the flurishes and slight changes that comes when events pass into legend) rather then us directly experiancing it in person like the other two colab season

[edgy kernel]

yeah, with it being narrarated and from the perspective maybe of the spirit of the mural as you maybe reinact it. The way its told reminds me of the stories you can tell during season of performance, even though some of them feel like they're being told from your own perspective heh

[hushed steeple]

Thats actually a good comparison
The differeencs is that that the spirits are makeing a performance that you are seeing, telling a story
In here, your not so much experianceing someone telling you a story, as you are inside the would of said story

Like, imagine a scenario where a kid is reading a story about some theaf in Baghdad (arabian nights style), and then finds himself within the world of that story
Similar vibes to this😅

[severe flare]

I remember stuff in the concept art mentioning that orange is associated with light and blue is associated with darkness in Sky, and at the time it made me wonder how red’s strong association with darkness fit into that. But since viksa pointed out that the light drained from us turns red, I wonder if that means blue is the color of “pure” darkness on its own, whereas red is the color of light corrupted by darkness?

I’ll also have to go check that quote from Enchantment again… it’s been a while since I did those quests

[hushed steeple]

I know what your talking about about
I have the concept art at home, gonna send it soon

[hushed steeple]

Ok, here is the concept art you were talking about. The one dealing with the colour theory of the game

[hushed steeple]

It is very inportant to note that the motive of "Red" as the colour of danger, and infact the whole concept of the edan diamond and all things tangentaly related to it, there things were all added in much later in the game, as a replacemant to the now compleatly scrapt of Edan and the orginal story of the king
The krill haveing red and blue light was even something that wast present in the first version of Light Awaits

Also, to avoid confusion for future theorists, the glowing light that we catch (green,orange,blue,red,purple...)Dont really have much if anything to do with the old colour theory.
These were added in much later still with the ark season, and looking at the murals, are all products of the pure golden light (or rather specific aspects of that light, like the colours of the rainbow)

If I really must try to fit them in together, I supoase a good analogy would be that the red orb is kinda like the colour red, and the corupted red glow of light is infrared. There close to each other, but still seperate things

I have more to say about this, but I run out of time😅
Lets continue this tomorrow

[slim mango]

Closer look of winged light. I think they have no face feature. 🤔

[desert bobcat]

might be to bright to even get to see it, remember you can barely see the eyelashes on maskless masks(with some exceptions like cure for me mask)

although still much easier to see in dark masks than bright masks, cause glowy things for sure do glow on sky

[edgy kernel]

i dont think we've got anythin but the eyelashes for our closed eyes, but it seems like that model doesn't have it, yeah

[charred willow]

Theory on why all the spirits are dead

When you think about it for a moment it's kind of weird that EVERY single spirit is dead in sky, surely alot would survive due to their realms being non hostile, but no they're all dead. I theorize that when the shattering of the crystal first happened every single realm was affected, and looked much like the golden wasteland with maybe even krill patrolling the realms. My main reasoning why I believe this to be true is the vault, specifically the 4 person door on the second floor. It's a bit weird that it works but also has a large Crack on the top of it. I think that this was likely caused by the rocks. But unlike golden wasteland and eden, which were intense battle grounds, the other realms would mostly heal from this marring with only certain areas being touched by darkness now.

[strange rock]

Im lead to here so ima ask here:

Who is king alef???

[tawdry copper]

Alef is actually the name for the Prince iirc, though Idk if the Prince and the King are the same person. Ik the King's name is Resh

[austere coral]

Yeah I'm always confused if they're son/father or if he changed his name for some reason

[tawdry copper]

The father/son theory would be kinda cool though ngl

[kindred summit]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

This is my post from a while ago about the subject of the King, who is sparingly shown ingame, and linking his design back to his concept art.

[strange rock]

Awwww the Prince has a silly little cape like thingy (My english sucks)

[austere coral]

i'm looking at old concept art stuff and this made me lol

we could've had faces

[kindred summit]

Sometimes I go through the lost stages of Sky to get inspiration, feel nostalgia, learn history or really just feel anything.
The last time I went through them with a friend and when we got to the “scrapped player design” section we both became audibly confused.
They’re very incongruent with the rest of the environment even in the concept art phase.
Whoever came up with the winning player character design really knew what they were doing deep down

[cold sparrow]

part of game development is also finding what parts and designs don't work

[edgy kernel]

got a link to any of it? sometimes gamedev can go pretty wild with concepts, if they're at a point where there's not really much of a clue what they actually want and it really is just a throw stuff at the wall and see what sticks i'd love to see some of that

[kindred summit]

It’s true, a lot of it is trial and error. There’s no vitriol to the people who designed what didn’t make it in. It is still very jarring to look at though after familiarizing ourselves with these designs for over 5 years. There’s at least a dozen or so passed designs known to the public for player character alone.

[kindred summit]

I can send you an offsite masterpost of a fairly comprehensive collection of scrapped ideas, concept art, etc.

[edgy kernel]

that'd work!

[empty crane]

That building up in the mountain is it the small buildings under the big stone

[hushed steeple]

The building on top of the mountain is the edan castle you go through before entering orbit.
In the animation thats the thing at the very top of the mountain ( big rock)
Naturally that thing was more broken down in the past😅

[hushed steeple]

The thing bellow is actually the main Waistland Temple

[fair mantle]

How do i get there? Ive been dying to go 😭✨

[hushed steeple]

Have you finished Edan yet?

[fair mantle]

Yes i think..? I mean i died but thats it

[hushed steeple]

Well then you've already been there😅😅
After you leave the black void, the entire area you go through before you fully fligh off into space.....thats the Edan castle we see on top of the mountain

[fair mantle]

THATS THE PLACE? wow…thats way better then I expected, i guess I didn’t realize bc its not how I imagined, plus i thought it would look like an actual castle 🥲💕💕

[hushed steeple]

Well it is a castle
A "castle in the sky"🤣

[hushed steeple]

But yeah, that thing up there is more like a city, with the castle proper in the middle top.
The whole place is broken down now, so its hard to get a good idea of what it actually is

[empty crane]

Dang vik you know alot

[crude tapir]

Roblox Sky Child

[lucid bridge]

Good to know I wasn’t the only one thinking that 😂

[dull igloo]

Okay so, I just noticed that in the shard memories, it looks a LOT like the end of Eden. Could the end of Eden be a memory where there’s nothing?

[dull igloo]

Or, maybe the shard memories are stored in the shards, and they’re showing us what Eden used to be 👀👀

And since now Eden holds no life, it’s safe to say that explains why there’s nothing at the end of Eden, and you just walk to the glowing fella. In shard memories that fall from Eden, we are shown different things, like the manta’s or jellyfish. Maybe the shards remember how things used to be

[plain fern]

What is this?

[hushed steeple]

Thats the great mountain on top of which is edan
( just very far away)

[plain fern]

If you zoom in with your camera you see this wierd floating thing

[hushed steeple]

Here is super close up

[hushed steeple]

Yup, thats the Edan castle you fligh through at the end of the game

[plain fern]

Can we visit it

[hushed steeple]

Have you died in edan yet?

[plain fern]

Yes but didn’t see this castle before

[hushed steeple]

Oh, you've deffinetly seen it, you just werent aware of it😅😅😅

This isnt really a caslte so much as an entire city.
Preaty much everything you see between leaving the dark void and flighing off into space IS that thing on the top

[plain fern]

Well then I guess so! 😂 um how do I get to the oob top of this?

[hushed steeple]

Im not shure to be honest.....
But you dont really nees go there.
You just have to pay atention to the area around you, and not just fligh through😅

[hushed steeple]

Unfortunatly I dont have my edan picks with me right now.
I could have shown you exactly what I mean.

[edgy kernel]

you can get a great view as you're ascending into the sky in the very final part before orbit, heh. the whole thing lifts off

I'm not sure about that out of bounds though, thats interesting. i might have to explore that area next time i eden

[hushed steeple]

Ok, I try to find a sky vidoe and take screenshots

As you can see, the castle has been there the entire time.
You just havent realised it becouse its way too big and your way to up close😅

[rustic arch]

GUYS WHATS THE SPIRIT THAT HAS THE KING AS A SKY KID IN THE ISLE OF DAWN

[dense inlet]

Are you talking about the child that fell from the sky that Ushering Stargazer and Rejecting Voyager found?

Or are we talking about another memory?

There are a lot of theories circulating around the king. I think there are some who think that the Eden Elder is the King, correct me if I'm wrong. And that the Eden Elder is the one that is in the mural that shows up last in the Vault Elder cutscene.

Apologies for ping as well

[rustic arch]

The stargazer!!!

[dense inlet]

Ohh, Ushering Stargazer. Yeah, Stargazer and Rejecting Voyager found a child that fell from the sky

Ushering Stargazer's memory shows that

[rustic arch]

Ty!!!

[silver flint]

The question is what happened to the child

[dense inlet]

My interpretation is that the child became the king, the person who was mentioned in the prophecy. The prophecy says that there will be a person who will bring great prosperity and greatness to the world

The child that fell from the sky is that person. The child was known to be a prodigy and the Elders are the child's students. The child discovered many things and contributed to the world which the people considered him to be a prodigy

The child who was once a prince (Alef) became the king (Eden Elder/Resh.) Resh brought great contributions to the world and civilization of Sky such as the advancements of technology, discoveries, etc. I also think he's the one who found out about darkstone.

Due to his hubris (and that being a ruler is a difficult job), he wanted to further the advancements. The consequences to that is the exploitation of the environment, animals, and resources. Conflict arose (an example is the war that happened in Golden Wasteland) and the King became corrupted

I think his corruption happened in Eden and I think he's no longer around

That's what I think and that's my interpretation

[silver flint]

It’s strange that there is no traces of corruption or exploitation in the valley 👀

[cold sparrow]

There's plenty of traces of exploitation in the valley, most notably seen in the Aurora concert - catching mantas, likely for entertainment purposes as seen around the citadel

[plain fern]

Can you land on it

[dense inlet]

There are bits of darkness plants that I've seen in the temple. I also think that the darkness that has caused the fall of the kingdom isn't just the darkness that physically manifested (darkness plants, dark water, etc.)

I also think that the darkness are also things that are considered negative such as war, famine, conflict, etc.

I think the Valley was also subject to the fall of the kingdom

[cold sparrow]

Besides that, valley's 'crime' is mostly the over-usage of technology

[silver flint]

I see

[cold sparrow]

I think valley is a great metaphor for society on a larger scale - it is not the rich and influental that will feel the fallout of their environmental exploitation, but the ones living at the fringes, whose surroundings have been exploited to produce the energy and resources for the cities
The city only feels the fallout when their supply of energy breaks away

[dense inlet]

Discussions of lore expand my headcanons and I like discussing about Sky lore ✨

[silver flint]

Same

[stiff agate]

Does anyone have records of what the isle murals said at least four years ago? I’m convinced they have changed! (Compared to when I joined in 2019) But can’t find anything about it on the wiki! Like the back pack I rediscovered on a spirits back in a Aurora memory. It does indeed exist! or did…

[cobalt palm]

Do you mean the ones in the starting cave? If so there was nothing there, but a similar exposition was given in the intro, but from a different perspective (we have guessed that it could be "the Light" itself, the king/Eden elder, or the Megabird)

The old intro is in the pins
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

https://youtu.be/v0HIzf8H7jk

But darkness came, and the stars fell...
Together, the fallen stars made a new home in the clouds.
If only they had listened...
A long time has passed. Now, I call to you. 
Wake up, child.  Bring our lost stars home.```

[stiff agate]

I also remember it like “the voice”

[cobalt palm]

Yeah that's the video Miri recorded, it's similar, but not exactly the same to the 4th quest start of the Revival quests in Aviary

Here's a timestamp of that intro in the Revival/Aviary style
https://youtu.be/aKv7iIRfl1k?t=1500

[pastel brook]

Hey everyone, I’m gonna put this boat on my head

[cobalt palm]

Well done skybot, you're contributing!

[stiff agate]

Can one review that quest?

This explain much of my confusing around the updated lore! Small tweaks but they have a big impact. Like spirits not being from orbit and the whole issue around why they went to sky is erased.

[cobalt palm]

Not that we've found so far, which is one of the reasons why I recorded it and put it all together.

[stiff agate]

Watched it now. Okay so confusion slightly restored. But “the first of us”seems to be a group that went to settle sky. Why? Don’t know. But not because something happened in orbit. (Which makes it makes sense why they would want to go back) could those “the first of us” be the elders? Who brought prophesies and thought out trials to identify the sky kid who would be able to bring them back?

And then the kid shows up and he gets worship and power and turns to the dark side! Is the Eden king Anakin?

[cobalt palm]

Yeah, that makes sense, it may also be worth reviewing the "Isle stories" from performance too, as there are some about lonely children walking through the desert, and stars creating life

[stiff agate]

Performance. Got it

[cobalt palm]

It does seem a little starwarsy, that someone came to harness the power of light, and created a light so bright, everything around it seemed dark.

Here's all of the story lines as a flowchart, but they are nice to play through as well

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[stiff agate]

Some of the stories live up and some seem like perspectives but there are some issues on the star side of the story for me. Mmmh. I will watch them. Maybe the visuals will help

[cobalt palm]

Yeah they're definitely all told from the spirits perspective, like the murals in the intro cave

[hushed steeple]

Well, this could be just a compleat coincidence,
Buuuuuut...
These characters do look quite similar, dont you think😏

[lucid bridge]

I headcanon that child who fell was the king, and since the blurb for the show says that one of the boys becomes king…

[hushed steeple]

Oh, is that so.
What inplicstions could that possibly have I wonder😏

[lucid bridge]

I think these glowing rhombus things are the specks of light that the ancestors gathered, or at least one type of light they gathered. Or they represent flying insects.

[mellow sleet]

It's been a while since I've looked in this chat. Has there been any interesting developments since October or so?

[hushed steeple]

Is this in sanctuaty?
They were not there before, through they do also look very similar to what we see in the Valley of Triumph social area where the Days of Fortune event is centered
So I would say your first asumption is likely more acurate

[hushed steeple]

A loooot of different topicks duscused, but thats more to be expected
The Season before the current one diffinetly gave us a lot to talk about lore wise
Although the biggest interesting development of all has to be....
This😏
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeOzyoz6vj8&list=PLDeLoupOKjq8AllZe8t2Mr9_14OxdMSEd&index=4

[clear inlet]

Do we know where this is?

[lucid bridge]

It is in sanctuary. It can also be seen in the wind paths. The effect has been around for a while at this point. Unless they’re insects they might just be motes of light itself. But we don’t know if any arthropod-analogues past spiders and buttermoths exist yet

[lucid bridge]

Looks like the valley. Specifically one of the temples because of the ribbons.

[arctic sphinx]

Is there information when the animation will release?

[clear inlet]

I don't recall a space like this tho? The bookcases somehow like Vault

[lucid bridge]

According to this article, March 2024 will be when the pilot episode will release.

https://venturebeat.com/games/how-sky-the-children-of-the-light-broke-records-for-most-simultaneous-people-on-the-screen-jenova-chen-interview/

[lucid bridge]

Yeah tbh I don’t know where exactly that is. It could also be Eden. It’s most likely a place that only exists in the show and not in game.

[rustic arch]

Does anyone know when the animated project might come out?

[drowsy bluff]

It's expected to release around March 2024 according to wiki
https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/Sky:_The_Two_Embers

[austere solstice]

That’s soooo interesting, thanks for sharing

[thorn sage]

Heeyy so I’m not really sure if this is a good place for this or not but
I’m still a fairly new player (have only been to Eden a couple of times, maybe 5??)
anndddd I don’t have a super good understanding of a lot of the lore in sky and am maybe sorta kinda interested in looking into it..
Is there anywhere specific I should start when it comes to learning about it?

[severe flare]

This is a good place to start! https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Amity206/Sky_Lore_Theories

[severe flare]

I just actually read this article through for the first time, and man, what in the world is with that interviewer trying to push the idea of using AI in Sky so hard

[thorn sage]

Thank you!!

[brave patio]

Ooooh you’re probably right!! So excited for the pilot

[brave patio]

Adding onto this - I wrote that blog so if you have any questions or disagree with my theories go ahead and ping me!!! I’d love to hear your thoughts

[thorn sage]

I just wanted to say that this is all incredible!! I think you did a very good job writing it and it made a lot more things click :]
I didn’t even know Sky: Two Elders was a thing that was happening

I always got themes of
this past civilization falling due to polluting the earth they lived in in some shape or form and it all makes so much more sense now

I feel so bad for all the little light creatures that suffered through it because the ancestors were trying to harvest them :((

[exotic frigate]

I’ve been looking for things to start understanding the lore with and saw this at just the right moment, lovely!!

[slate pawn]

oh yeah about the isle elder

And why he not on the gate of eden i have a littlle theory

What if the isle elder was the first ever elder nd then the prince come

As it was show by the dev the prince choose 6 elder and those are start from daylight
Forest
valley (twin)
GW
Vault

So isle elder was not apart of the elder group

So he was not on the eden gate

I mean it just my theory

[nimble ingot]

Sky glyphs. Sky glyphs!

The devs might still have a written language in Sky after 5 years of running the game without them!

[thorn sage]

WOAAAH WAIT YOU’RE RIGHT
Maybes me wonder if that top left one counts as a glyph too, since it’s in front of the music hall or whatever it’s called

If so we can at least tell that it probably relates with music

Or is this just a photo in front of that area where you can enter the music hall in Aviary??
Maybe it doesn’t matter, just speculating one piece of this at a time

[hushed steeple]

Wait really
I didnt read them say anything about that in the.......
Oh, wait, your talking about the picture😅
Though hopefully sky glyphs do end up being one of the unspecified "big suprises" they mentioned in the text☺️

The document did mention that the season after this one would involve major updates to Aviary, with the ability to create our own base among many other stuff.
Maby skykids will finally learn how to read and write from the spirits🤣
( maby not, but a man can dream😅)

[compact shale]

I've been waiting for skykids to become literate for so long!

[dim hollow]

Currently crying because I realized that Stu is sitting there staring at where sky kids land, waiting for someone, and it isnt us. He hasnt stopped looking since he revived Aviary. What have you done to him TGC??? How far into eden do we have to go to bring back what he's missing???

[hushed steeple]

[humble ferry]

The other day My friend and I were hanging out in the Prairie Caves, and she thought we were in Cave of Prophecy and took us up above to go to the Prophecy Cave wind tunnel area above the caves but of course we weren't actually in the Cave of Prophecy. We ended up in this gorgeous flat vista above the prairie caves surrounded by clouds with a view of Eden (if I remember correctly) and neither of us had ever been there before. It was an amazing experience, just the two of us up there with a table to chat at for hours.
I tried going back there yesterday and couldn't get back. I have no idea how we got past the invisible barriers the first time if it is indeed OOB. Does anyone else know?

[hushed steeple]

Oh wow, thats so lovely☺️
These are really some of the best moments in sky, when you and your friends manage to stumble upon something you never though was there.
A quiat cozy secret place just for you to hang and conect out ☺️☺️☺️☺️

[hushed steeple]

I havent been up there for a long , looooong time. It was a real nostalgia trip comeing back there. So many memories

[young gull]

There's one particular hole that isn't protected by a wind barrier, I don't remember where it is, but let me refresh my memory so I can help you.

[hushed steeple]

As far as getting up there....well its really a mater of finding the right hole
Obviace the one in cozy hideing place is off limits, but a lot of the holes on the top of the cave sealings should be good.

This hole near the entetence to the hideout is easy enough to get to.
Just flight enough to get in and run the rest of the way☺️

[young gull]

Ah, there it is

This OOB was my first one. I was just a butterfly and didn't even know what "OOB" meant yet.

[ruby arrow]

are peeking postman and yeti friends?, because everywhere postman is yeti is always close by

or are they related?, they seem really close to each other

[humble ferry]

Thanks so much for the replies guys 🩵 I tried the tunnel hole when I last attempted going there but I was blocked. I had used all my flight tho so that may have affected my failure to get up there again.

[young gull]

We could theorize that theyre friends. I think TGC hasnt said anything about it, tho.

[ruby arrow]

i thought that got patched

[edgy kernel]

got a view of it with today's memory! cant climb up there like the final shattering memory but you can still make it out there. So its red like the rest of the crystal

[light minnow]

Is it just me or are there very few small shards surrounding the big one here

Usually it's a whole saturn ring of them around it

[light minnow]

I'm thinking the red coloration is probably a result of corruption rather than material used

[edgy kernel]

yeah, i was wondering if the center diamond could be a different color but that definitely would have been made of darkstone too.

also there are less because its the second to last memory, with krill around it instead of elders. the winged light is on the floor since you arent able to just climb to the top, heh

[light minnow]

Oooh right
I completely forgot it showed up in the krill memory
Didn't visit that one in ages

[edgy kernel]

also something i've noticed now, about how the eden diamond is a larger hollow diamond with a small solid one in the middle - I think the only time we see something similar is maybe in the forest elder's scene where we see them trying to put this crystal back together. To me looks like it was made hollow to hold light in some way, and there is like a hole on the corners or something that you can even see when it was put back together.

Is there anywhere else this kind of setup is used? in the vault cutscene its a perfect diamond it seems like. Seems very similar to the actual eden crystal which shattered, i wonder if the cutscene is them thinking about the shattered eden crystal and about being unable to repair it.

oh, the eden crystal has the same side indents actually

even the forest elder's helmet is also a light diamond circled by another diamond shape interesting. Maybe they had a huge part in designing or building it

i think what i might wonder the most is if that implies anything about when eden was designed, if maybe it was made during the time of forest, led to the great prosperity of valley, but eventually formed the storm and the corruption in wasteland.

[hushed steeple]

Honestly, I dont think there really anything different between the way that the edan diamond and forest crystal are made thats different to all the others.
The only thing that they have in comman is that there boath sevearly damaged, so we could kinda see there interiar structure
Who is to say the other crystal dont have something similar. Maby there's more to the crystals then just a solid lump of stone, but rather different leyars of different internal distribution which gives them there individual properties

[edgy kernel]

well, at the very least compared to all of the other darkstone crystals ever shown, they're the only two I know of with side indents. the indents on the eden crystal actually look sized appropriately to fit additional darkstone crystals in it, matching the size of the one inside the core. Its quite possible the eden crystal could have had more diamonds socketed into all its corners.

The design of the forest elder's mask accessory also may be inspired off that, considering we have a hollow center, diamond shape, and then the corner arrows which might represent additional crystals socketed in. the small scale model we see in forest elder's hands has indents on all of its 6 corners, and the eden crystal might have been the same ( we can see 4 from that angle atleast, id need to get another screenshot lol )

I kinda think maybe the one in the forest elder cutscene is like a small scale model to represent the eden crystal, shattered and broken.

A question if any of yall know, do we ever see discarded darkstone crystals anywhere? I wonder if they were powering up smaller crystals to socket into the big one and drain the power of, then either send them back to be powered up or discard them
( and a weird stray thought is maybe they melted afterwards, polluting the water around them )
abyss has a lot of stray ones around that you clean up, atleast

maybe they carried the polluted material away in the golden pots, but werent the most careful about where they put it, or ships crashed and got lost. ( golden pots by polluted geyser )

or maybe there was so much that they used pipes to carry it away that leaked all over wasteland

[light minnow]

When you say discarded, do you mean after they've already been used?
Because they kinda don't seem to have an expiration date
They still work after however long passed since the shattering
And that main eden crystal is still going strong too

[edgy kernel]

im thinking operating them normally for doors and whatnot probably was fine, but socketing them into the eden crystal to transfer power to it might have done different things to them, like drain them completely, maybe rendering them useless
its a rather weird thought but there seemed to be a huge need for pipes in eden

[light minnow]

Pipes also show up a bunch in GW

[edgy kernel]

yeah, im thinking maybe it was piped from eden through wasteland, to somewhere unknown, or dumped into the water there.

[hushed steeple]

Hmmm...good question🤔
While we see a whole lot of pollution that is the resoult of crystal production ( and also have concept art explaining this), we dont really see stuff like....say...discarded crystals anywhere.
We do see leftover darkstone and crystals in abyss, but thats not becouse they were discarded as much as that the whole facility got wrecked and evergthing was just left as it was
( although the fact that we do see all that dakestone there sitting around does disprove that they desolve and couse polution)

My best guess is that used up crystals get broken down and recycled into row darkstone

[edgy kernel]

I could kinda see it like, them wanting to power up the eden diamond with smaller ones, but after absorbing all the power in them they crumble to dust or something.

[hushed steeple]

I dont think all those pipes in GW are all conected to Edan.
Most of the ones we see were conected to ether the crystal factory or the GW temple, but Im shure a lot of them were in fact conected to Edan

[charred willow]

What's the current convo about?

[hushed steeple]

Actually, I had a though about that.
What if water's a vital component in the production pipeline (pun intended) of crystals
Boath as a part of the process, cooling agent, and medium for transpoting the waist away

I actually work in a factory, and you'll be suprised just how many uses for large amounts of water there are for these kinds of things😅

[hushed steeple]

Theory's about the edan diamond and crystal production topics related to it

[brave patio]

Yeah I would assume the process generates a lot of heat!! (I would also assume that’s why darkstone contraptions use stone or metal instead of wood…)

In concept art there’s some sort of waste product left behind from the process, I assume creature ash, so maybe the pipes existed to clean out and cool off the darkstone? And then the contaminated water was pumped away from the city, but it was polluted

[edgy kernel]

even just thinking about eden as a big light source, old lightbulbs are very heat inefficient and actually give a ton off, and waste alot of energy. I wonder if maybe they used water to cool it and bits of corrupted energy leaked off into the water as it burned off into steam, forming into the corrupted stormclouds.

hah, maybe the reason then for the pipes was to feed it water - but around wasteland, it never rained and the storm clouds stayed permanently, growing and growing, water level lowering more and more. until they burned all their water off into the storm, and the eden crystal overheated and shattered.

forest's water level also looks low in places there, but there is also a rain which drains your light.

[lucid bridge]

I agree. And the process also produces pollution. Hence the dark rain and dark water we see in Forest and Wasteland. Just like in the real world.

[hushed steeple]

well, boath heat and bi-products of vareous froms and origins
Concept art does show that waist was "desposed" dureing the process, eather safely contained,purefied or recycles....but with the production increasing dramaticl over time, more emediat ways of desposing this become the norm😅

[lucid bridge]

Yes I agree I think the nasty sludge we see oozing out of the wasteland pipes is the byproducts from dead light creatures who died in the darkstone refining process.

[brave patio]

We can see sludge coming out of the pipes in the crab fields/shipwreck so… clearly they weren’t managing their waste well. No wonder wasteland is so polluted

It reminds me of those industrial chemicals that get dumped in rivers, or oil spills

[white dagger]

building on that reminds me of how much oil is used to create energy by burning it,
fire being a core part of sky
wax (naturally made) vs oil (industry) literally

[hushed steeple]

What's the purpose of those little shrines with candles that show the map? I only recently started hunting for them

[lucid bridge]

Dark water does have iridescence like oil mixed with water…

[white dagger]

mhm! ive always thought that it was polluted water that didn't allow life to thrive even though burning oil has been used to generate heat (and subsequently support life) for thousands

[white dagger]

not really a lore purpose afaik, it's just to keep track of winged light, though there may be a lore connection to skykids being able to "sense" the wingies across the realms which i wouldn't doubt

while i'm here, anyone know what this guy is? (prophecy cavern mural)

[lucid bridge]

Vault elder or maybe just a scholar?

[white dagger]

that does make sense looking at the cracks in vault's mask

though
that does imply that the mural was made post vault's mask cracking

which implies other things i think

[lucid bridge]

Well it is prophecy. Perhaps they foresaw it coming.

[hushed steeple]

Yup
Sky is preaty much the spiritual sucessor to Journey☺️ Well known fact
The very first small bunch of beta testers from November 2017 were given the Journey cosmetics as a reward (this returned as exclusive for pre-ordering sky playstation version)

There are quite a lot of design and esthetic elements that were used in sky, even if the 2 games are not part of the same universe (not that it will stop some sky fanfic😏 )

[bitter vector]

Hey lore discussion! I have a question regarding shipping and the elders.

Are there some elders besides the twins we should avoid shipping together? Or is there no set rule?

[lucid bridge]

Idk do whatever u want

Only known relation is the twins

[inner python]

Why not ship the twins

[bitter vector]

..because they’re twins??…

[inner python]

So?

[bitter vector]

Um! Anyways!

(B B B B BLOCKED)

[light minnow]

Do you know what exactly is implied by shipping siblings?
I'd say it but the word isn't quite allowed here

[lucid bridge]

I don’t know if this discussion is appropriate

I’d rather talk about sky lore

[loud nymph]

This is heavily based on the sky the two embers short. But I like the idea of the sky kids masks being hand carved by their parent for the first time. And Idk if there is any reference to this in the game but the higher detail in the video makes the masks seem hand carved. And it just makes me sad to think about the sky kids sitting there after being sent down carving/getting a new mask and leaving behind the one their parents made them

[white dagger]

ou
i forgot about that
maybe the ascension part of the mural is the prophecy declaring that those who pass the trials can or have been reborn

[white dagger]

now why would you say that.. now i'm sad
i think skykids would keep their mask on a wall so they can have it forever even if they dont remember where it came from

[loud nymph]

That's a much cuter idea , kinda like the wall in the mask shop in the aviary

[white dagger]

maybe the assembly kids painted on/modified their original masks because they weren't old enough to get adult masks before they got bopped

[fading ginkgo]

Mask maker is a spirit, no?

[loud nymph]

I don't think so? I can't scroll through the spirit list right now, but if there is one related to mask making I'd love to know!

[edgy kernel]

the passage guide does have a mask crafting spot in aviary, but they arent known by that name
i cant think of any others

looked up a bit today in eden, noticed this star is visible while in this area, i wonder what in particular it might be
looks like what a spirit would look like when they're ascending to a temple, but its gold instead of blue.

i suppose the closest we have is this when we are reborn, heh. so maybe symbolic of a sky kid

[balmy spoke]

anyone else noticed that wl afterglow has the sound of a calming fireplace ?

i was sitting in the mountain cave in village, it was very nice n.n

[turbid mirage]

Has anyone noticed the little friend consolation is super shaky? Or is it just me

[dim jasper]

at home space or aviary?

[turbid mirage]

Aviary

[thorn sage]

YES I thought I was just bugging out, it’s happening for you too??

[turbid mirage]

IT IS,MAYBE THERES AN UPDATE WITH EDEN COMING UP

[thorn sage]

No more crawling?????????
I wasn’t playing when crawling WASNT a thing so if they do something about that I’m rejoicing

[turbid mirage]

I'm thinking

It's something worse, like the rain doesn't stop at all in the beginning,or there's more dangers to it. The ground is shaking so maybe more eruptions,or earth quakes in the main game play?

[hushed steeple]

Dont know much about that🤔

Looking at the "Sky 2024 look ahead" post TGS made, it sounds more like the next season will be more conected to the Aviary.

They did mention changes in Edan, but thats just quickly listed under "quality of life" changes, along with custimazing your emote UI ( YESS!!!🤩🤩) and a few others, so I dont bevive Edan is getting any drastic event or makeover any time soon😅😅😅

[turbid mirage]

I mean, atleast I came up with some sort of idea blindly? (I don't know where to find anything 😭)

BRO THE BIRTHDAY PARTY. (My birthday is this month,on the fireworks)

[hushed steeple]

Thats ok dear😅😅
Just telling you this so you dont get your hopes up for a new Edan season soon

[turbid mirage]

Ive only 105 hours,so I'm still new

28th

Dw,I don't like Eden,it's scary,I have to have my veterans drop me off at tponr

I swore I saw someone asked for the day...I'm becoming delusional

[hushed steeple]

I did😅
I got confused

[turbid mirage]

Oh,my bad😭 there's fireworks on either the 28th, or 29th,so me and some of my veterans are going to watch them for my birthday

[hushed steeple]

Ooooh, thats nice☺️
Its good to have a sky papa/ sky mama to help you around

So your like a Moth Moth, fresh from crashing from the sky not too long ago🤣

How you likeing the game so far☺️

[turbid mirage]

I have a sky mother,a sister,and sister in law,and two sky babys of my own

I'm enjoying it,I started playing 1 and a half weeks ago,visited Eden 3 times already, got a few cosmetics, I was reborn with 5,almost 6 wings. And overall just been progressing pretty rapidly, idk if I would say I'm a moth moth, more like a fake veteran from how much I know the maps,locations of the wl,and all that but you know,what am I to say,I just joined. I also unlocked all the emotes,done all the quests and I need to do a new wlr from going to Eden last night🤷

[hushed steeple]

Also, edan and krill being scary is all part of the experiance. You should cherish the fright while your still young🤣

[turbid mirage]

Haha, I will consistently joke about how I'm going to go krill myself, and my boyfriend has been making me cry recently,so the joke went a little too far...but in a literal since I did krill myself in the game

Krills arnt scary anymore,thanks to friggin water down puppy's from the treasure reef quest

[hushed steeple]

Thats.....not what I was talking about😅
Im glad your haveing fun with this, but just be carefull not to hit burnout.
Take a little time to smell the brimstone and experiance the game as it is, and not just metagame and rush through the whole thing

[turbid mirage]

Haha,yeah. Dw, my sky family calls me pro gamer bc of how fast I learn and pick up on things, but also because of how horrible I am at playing the actual game😭. We grew as a family at the fire trials

[coarse pine]

no bc same

[turbid mirage]

One day I'll zoom everywhere,but then there's some days where I can barely flew for the life of me

[hushed steeple]

Ooooh, thats so sweet☺️
Well at least you got the most inportant part of sky, conecting with people and finding a family
Cherish these moments budy

[turbid mirage]

I am,I'm going to cry so hard if we ever part ways

I'm hopping on now,to do a wlr, I always need help with the forest though bc I don't know it aswell as all the other maps,I only ever go with one of my veterans

[hushed steeple]

Ah, I know that fealing😭😭
I will be turning 4 sky years old this April, so I have been around and gone theough a lot

[turbid mirage]

0: you're so old/j

I CAN'T WAIT UNTIL WE CAN CUSTOMIZE OUR OWN LITTLE HOUSE, I WOULD NEVER ACTUALLY BE PLAYING THE GAME,ONLY DECORATING AND FORCING MY SKY FRIENDS TO PLAY HOUSE WITH ME

[hushed steeple]

Yup.
This is why Im teling you to be carefull with burnout and rushing through things.
The world of sky and the conections and experiances you make are the most inportant part of the game.
Dont focuse too much on getting all the cosmetics by any means, or tiering yourself out with cr all the time

The game will get really borring for you eventually if you only focus on that stufd😅

[hushed steeple]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Sky sims.
Your gonna turn into a civilian sky kid in no time

[turbid mirage]

I hate cr so much,I usually skip them. I only want cosmetics so I'm not a moth anymore and so my mother will be more accepting to me being kidnapped by actual moths,and adopting them and forcing them to join my gc

Imma turn into a living spirit in the sky,eat,sleep,drink,play all in the game, I've never played Sims😭

Live,laugh, sky

Man,I don't even wanna do wlr but I wanna get my 11th wing

[hushed steeple]

See, thats what Im talking about
If you put so much focuse on the grind and reaching mileatones too quickly, you'll get burned out
You still a moth body, embrase it.

[turbid mirage]

Imma do em either way, because once I'm done I can go back to playing with the water trials,and flying around like a lunatic that looks high

[hushed steeple]

Take it from someone who's gone through the grind before and come out on the other side
( god, I am talking like a grandpa now😅)

[hushed steeple]

No problem dear☺️
We all experiance things our own way
Just saying some things too keep in mind for later on.
Sky is turning 5 years old soon, and its shure to last for a long time after this, so no need to rush things so much☺️

[turbid mirage]

5 years? Whooaaahh

That's so cool,I wish I could join beta):

[potent gust]

the most recent Nine-Colored Deer quest at the end says that the Deer protects all living things, assuming the animals that you call back/save are the living things and the krill potentially not being a living thing I presume as its just the embodiment of Darkness and such, wouldnt that go the same for the Children? (Children of light) as they are the embodiments of light and also not "living" things?
not much of a lore person but i thought of this instantly and figured it was worth wondering.

although maybe "living things" was just an expression and is not calling krill not living but it is just in fact protecting things of prey such as itself. things that perhaps live with no quarrel of other living things, but then again even hunters of other life are protected aswell in terms of reality, but im not sure the samy ethics apply in the Sky world, as Krill are really the only main threat and have no need to be protected from anything besides technically the Children themselves in a way as the Children would be the only main driving factor of their disappearance in the potential future.

[versed mirage]

I remember debating if the story collab areas were real or not, (like if they are similar to shard memories) but I think they are real, given Eden is present in both of them.

[potent maple]

If I remember correctly sky kids have souls, i think krill probably dont

[lucid bridge]

Sky kids have souls?

[brave patio]

My personal theory is that the collab areas are stories that exist within the world of Sky and so are like… half real? So the Nine Color Deer would be a story spirits told, and so that’s why they’re in the vault which is like a big library

[lucid bridge]

I agree. I also think the Little Prince area is a story the ancestors told, too. Each of the spirits in the Starlight Desert (and by extension the Jellyfish Cove and the Jug) are caricatures of each realm. If I remember correctly,
Beckoning Ruler - Isle of Dawn
Star Collector - Daylight Prairie
Stretching Lamplighter - Hidden Forest
Gloating Narcissist - Valley of Triumph
Slouching Soldier - Golden Wasteland
Sneezing Cartographer - Vault of Knowledge

[lucid bridge]

This is a theory

[hushed steeple]

Im not too shure about that, mainly becouse the area of the little prince is something that we can reach easaly through the wind paths, not to mention that eruption shards fall there.

Personally, I think that the region of starlight desert is compleatly real, even if the canonisity of the Little prince himself and the events around him can be questionable
( Although, given that even in the original book its ambigua if the Little Prince is actually real, this feels very fiting😅)

Ps. Totally agree about the spirits and there respective realms☺️

[lucid bridge]

I think the little Prince area might be real (or maybe it’s “real” the same way the upper levels of the vault are). I like the theory that the story was in a memory lantern and it somehow broke out, warping reality and making part of the desert look like the story. That might be what the Nine Colored Deer guide is doing, though I like the idea that it’s a play more (this one is just a personal headcanon of mine).

I wonder if the whole Sky kingdom is just really cold, because there are parhelions everywhere. Usually those only form in the cold. Or maybe it’s just that the Light itself is sentient somehow and able to move through the air in ways that are normally impossible. I mean, light forms to make animals in this world, so who knows? Or maybe the atmosphere of the sky world is just built different.

I think something interesting is that Sky kids seem to only recharge from incandescent light and flames* but not luminescent light (the light orb prop and ||the lights from the office ||do not recharge us).
So why do the clouds recharge us? Is it the wind bolstering our flight? Is the sun so strongly reflecting against the ice particles of the clouds that we absorb some light? Ambient light particles in the air? Or is it merely a game mechanic that I’m looking too deeply into?
*We might also gain energy from light produced by nuclear reactions. ||Isn’t the thing we fly into during Orbit a star?||

[hushed steeple]

Thats fair☺️
While Im not too big on the memery lantern theory, its as good an explanation as any to explain whats going on in starlight desert.
As long as people accept that that region does in fact exist, Im good☺️

[lucid bridge]

Would aurora (the natural phenomenon) recharge a sky kid’s light? I would think so.

[hushed steeple]

So I think with this we might need to make a distinction between

• light (phisical phenomenon of lumenosity)
• Light energy (spiritual life energy that makes up the souls of light creatures and also flows through the enviroment)
  As that thing that refils us, gives us energy, can be used to perform things like levetation, spells.... and is used in the production of darkstone is not normal light as we know it on earth

[lucid bridge]

True

[hushed steeple]

Light energy in Sky is something thats deeply conected to regular light, but is still seperate and destinct. Its found in all living things and even within the enviromant itself. When more concentraed this energy exists in the morm of motes or will-whisp like flame (which is what the "wax" and all the light particals you colect in places like wind paths actually are)

[lucid bridge]

I’m also not a physicist

[hushed steeple]

Thats ok budy. No problem☺️
Also, we actually see these motes shown clearly in the first Two Embers teaser

[hushed steeple]

Living things like flowers have light energy floating around it, and one of the ancesters absorbs the surpluss energy into his lantern
He releases all of the light energy from that lantern into the enviromant, feeding light plants that now glow more brightly

[hushed steeple]

Also, the light energy that wasnt absorbed turned into buterfly's (the same ones we see in the game)
Although in the animation its more clear that there living energy and not phisical creatures like mantas, fish......
Though thats not too suprising, as on the most fundamental base level there is no difference between the stuff that regular light energy and the sould of creatures and light kids are made of, though the structure, origin and energy dencity would naturaly be different

As you might have already guessed, it is this light energy that the ancesters in Priery harvested and stored in jars, concentrating the surpluss energy from the plants, wind and migrating light creatures, and concentrating them with there staffs into larger more manigable motes

[lucid bridge]

Yeah, it’s like instead of life in Sky being carbon-based, it’s Light-based.

[hushed steeple]

exactly (for the most part)

[obsidian inlet]

I've been thinking a lot. Who were the light seekers? And what was the job of the light seekers and the light catchers?. Do they look for the megabirds gifts to the land that fall from the sky, like the balls of light introduced in other seasons?

[jagged hare]

Whut?

[turbid mirage]

What are you confused on

[jagged hare]

whut water puppies?

[potent gust]

Theres actually 3 collab seasons. Little Prince, AURORA, and Nine-Deer now. Little Prince being the 10th season of the game, AUORA being 15th, and Deer being the 20th!! (Woo) however they do very much feel like stories as AURORA's is quite literally stories but of the war that did actually happen. I do think theres truths to the seasons as we dont truly know what Sky had in all of its realms. We assume the vault is just a library but perhaps it truly did have these magical portals to these areas? (TLP was originally an actual cave to the area but then got changed so...) I'm not exactly sure as we see in Season of Flight that the old spirits cant even fly as they have to use boats (and in the movie n such) so im really not sure, their..hard to honestly tell.

[inland cliff]

Imo Lightseekers were khown for capability to harness raw light from nature and falling stars, which they might've been part of the Enchantment group as the main light sourcers for the creation of the 6 color orbs from Enchantment that represents factors of life. Their vision was to create a nature utopia or to heal the damaged environment, but either way they failed and the orbs scattered throughout the realm. As for the relation between Lightseeker and assembly, leave it to the others lol

[dull igloo]

So, a while ago, I suggested that I think the shards show what happened in Eden. Or at least tries to give us a bit of story to put together. In this shard, it’s almost exactly like the end of Eden when we walk to the glowing boy, except it has Krill and the Eye itself. I wanted to try to fly above the eye, but didn’t have enough wings or a good strategy lol

[lucid bridge]

I was able to fly to the top. There wasn’t anything. For the elder memory, there is two wl grabbing each other (though you only collect one wl from it). There is also a king-shaped implement above the crystal itself. I forgot if that was in the krill memory, but it was certainly in the elder one.

I have twelve wing flaps and I needed to recharge multiple times using my torch prop while standing on one of the krill. I also used a low gravity spell.

[edgy kernel]

i wonder what the significance of having the krill there is, and how its already shattering off parts of it, but it is only the second to last memory.

like maybe its like a huge beacon to attract krill, and maybe the shattering process took enough time for the elders to try and react to it to stop it, but failed. there are far less shattered bits in this memory compared to the last one, which you can even climb up

[hushed steeple]

They might have failed originally, but they had returned from beyond the grave to continue there mission a new.
For the very last of the light bloom seeds had survived, and with the help of the skykids they were able to plant them all over the land
Now they keep watch over the very last of the light blooms, a delicate fragile plants that has the potenial to bring new life to the continent in the future. But for now, they are the guardian spirits of nature

(or something like that😅. I must admit the Lighseekers are a major inportant lore blindspot for me. Should really study them and there season more)

[inland cliff]

The connection between Lightseekers and nature has only been established from bloom so its still very headcanon lol

One thing i like abt the lightseekers are the memories of each member, it's like in gratitude the spirits are just dancing and posing around then Lightseekers are like: "Oh my companion got sick from dark plant" , "Oh i found a dead soldier". Ppl should study more on the memories while reliving cus it either could be a random piece of memory or a lore determined moment lol

[hushed steeple]

Yes, that was my mistake😅
I dont know why I even wrote "guardians of nature", since I was talking about the light bloom sapings and how there now guarding them.

[nimble ingot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIEcktFLnuU

TGC seemingly canonised a few relationships with their days of love announcement video!!

(Going of speculation on what kind of relationship, but here goes)

• confetti cousin and sparkling parent (child and parent, or just family; seeing both are from the season of Belonging and likely were a family)
• The guides of Rhythm and Performance (who are likely twins, so therefore siblings)
• Guide of Belonging and wise grandparent (likely a married couple given the season of belonging's theme).
• My favourite! Peeking Postman and Bearhugging Hermit! (probably because same season and just aw ❤️ )
• Hair Tousle Teen and Beckoning Parent (quite likely another parent/child/family duo like the earlier pair)
• And an interesting combination being the Light Whisperer from season of Flight and presumably either the light birds (which makes sense for their backstory) though the aurora bow could also be a reference to the love of light, as Aurora represents light in her season)

[cold sparrow]

Light Whisperer as aspec rep

but it's wonderful for Days of Love to not just focus on romantic love, but all kinds of love

[brave patio]

We know that performance and rhythm are twins, I believe it was confirmed

I think the belonging family was also pretty much confirmed

Postman and Hermit have some really cute interactions in their memories so I’m very happy about them being together in days of love 💕

[nimble ingot]

I know it was confirmed before.
this just further enforces it ♡

[quasi sail]

What actually happens to the children you give a wl in eden?

[nimble ingot]

They break out of their stone statues and ascend with your to Orbit.
From there, they give a 'final' goodbye and join up with the many stars in the sky.

Then your skykid gets reborn back in the realms to do the whole thing all over again.
Which is intentional because when you do so for the first time, the game tells you, "The real Journey starts here..."
This makes the rebirth a canon keystone to the lore where skykids are destined to return to Eden again and again to save more spirits as they give their light to the fallen children in Eden.

[quasi sail]

Woah!!

An infinite cycle

[nimble ingot]

Funny you say that, lol.
Here is another interesting tidbit.

Each realm represents a day of the week.
Including Eden being the 7th realm.
Orbit may not have a portal to it necessarily, however it is technically considered the 8th realm.
8 being a number that resembles the symbol for infinity. The realm that comes at the end of the 'week' and sends you back to the start (Dawn/Home).
Thus the realm that completes the cycle.

The cycle that us skykids are seemingly trying to restore (hypothetically)
I like to think that us skykids are the bridge to help save the realms.

[quasi sail]

That is so cool

What caused the realms to separate?

[nimble ingot]

That events has been hinted at in the game.

The Shard memories, the introduction mural you can see in Dawn and in Aviary (which was the original introduction mural).

As far as I know about the lore, there was a catastrophic event in the realms that caused the Eden crystal to shatter, Eden to fall apart, the storm to start, corrupted the dark dragons (krill), supposedly killed the elders (Text for the player in Dawn mentions the elders have fallen) and darkness spreading across the realms.

I hope more about this event is revealed to everyone in the game, or even in the animation project TGC are working on.

[quasi sail]

Duuuude I love this lore

(Funny I’ve been playing since July 2021 and I’m only figuring everything out cause I stopped playing for a while)

I’m planning to write a fan fiction soon so the lore is good to have hehe

[nimble ingot]

I have been playing since 2020 ( a little bit of a ways into season of Enchantment) and joined the lore chat a few months after that.
There is so much to learn about the lore. ❤️

[quasi sail]

I hope there is a lot to learn. I love theories and depth in a game

Wait. Is that also why you can change your cosmetics after eden? Because you’re reborn?

[nimble ingot]

You may be excited to know that your fanfiction may have more artistic freedom than you may expect.

There is a mantra in the lore that goes something like this:
The lore of Sky is open to interpretation.

This was said by one of the devs in this channel a while back and has been a part of the lore for a while.
Basically, while there is canon lore in Sky, some parts of it has been left open ended for the player (i.e. you or your skykid) to fill in the gaps as part of your interpretation.
This is mainly why most (if not all) spirits in Sky are presented without their genders (meaning as an example, if you give them a form to fill in, the gender section would be intentionally left blank).

[nimble ingot]

yes.

The game should give a message that says, "You are about to be reborn."
Although, I heard that text was removed because apparently, a dev believes it should be obvious in the game.

Though personally, had I not been told that from the start. I would most likely had not known or understood what the portal back home and the falling cutscene meant. The text just makes that easier for newer players to understand what the event means.
Which in turns leaves that fact up to older players to explain that part to players who may not understand that event fully. 💀

[quasi sail]

oooo

[nimble ingot]

Sure it is obvious when assuming the game still does the "the real Journey starts here..." message for first timers.
Or when players puts 2 and 2 together with the game sending you back to the start with your skykid.

But I may be a old player who got a bit bitter at some of the changes for the game. lol

[quasi sail]

Hahaha yeah indeed. It’s still so interesting

[quasi sail]

Where did you find all this lore?

[nimble ingot]

Basically from the 3 years spent reading this channel, reading through the pinned messages, looking up online and watching some of the older gameplay videos.
TGC and their concept artists had also posted some concept art online that gives a lot of insight to the lore (I love looking at the art more than reading tons of text personally).

So, most of my knowledge was collected from others' theories here, my own theories. Research, experience with learning TGC's process with making their games, and a bit of art history studies with my art degree.

[quasi sail]

Ooh alright thank you!

[light minnow]

"The real journey starts here" did show up for me still 3 months ago

And i believe some of the text in orbit tells you about your next life
I forget if it straight up says "you are reborn" but i do remember it refferencing my next life

[kind cradle]

it showed up for me yesterday so yeah it's still there. idt i saw anything about rebirth but maybe something about helping more spirits in your next life

[nimble ingot]

We might want to get a screenshot for documentation purposes.

[dry rapids]

I think my skykid just discovered that he’s living in a simulation…

I’m assuming that the modern-looking office in vault of knowledge ||with posters of skykids in different realms|| is an Easter egg and not canon?

[deep sandal]

What is the story behind the architecture in season of abyss

[hushed steeple]

That place is a cristal prosuction/refining/resurch facility.
Kinda similar to the Forest main temple and the broken temple in Waistland, only next gen and on the scale of a city

[dense inlet]

You can assume some things about the architecture in Treasure Reef like it may be involved in business, commerce, etc.

If you explore around Treasure Reef on the shore and deep in the ocean, I think you can find out some implications of what the architecture of the place could be such as why most of the building is submerged in water?

Keep in mind that Sky lore is open to interpretation and there are many headcanons regarding Treasure Reef and Golden Wasteland.

These are my interpretations as to what may be behind the architecture in Treasure Reef. There are Season of Abyss spoilers in here so be careful and I advise you finish the quests of the season first

Environmental Exploitation

• If you dive deep in the water, you'll find a lot of lore, like murals. You may also find what seems to be cages. I don't know if I can remember things clearly, but I think there were mantas stuck in those cages. Correct me if I'm wrong
• This could imply that the architecture and buildings around Treasure Reef is used to exploit animals for their light in order to power technology
• Light is a big deal in the world of Sky

"It Was A Nice Place, But Then It Turned Into Something Horrible"

• I think the architecture around Treasure Reef was more of just a nice place that people put. Like a building to relax, chill, or go around
• But when the Tragedy arrived, that's when the place turned into a horrible one where light creatures are being exploited

Treasure Reef is near water so it does make sense that it's a hub where people exploit light creatures (especially mantas)

And I think the reason why the buildings have sunk and submerged in the water is probably because of the environment. Golden Wasteland is facing a lot of pollution and the environment must've faced a lot of changes such as the tides increasing

That's what I think and these are my interpretations

[hushed steeple]

Wow, reallg cool post @dense inlet
Although Im gonna add a few things you might have missed

Along the sea flore you can turned over and abandoned carts, containing boath darkstone ore and refined crystals. Along these regions there are also pillers that look exactly like the lifts in the valley of dreams, and these run from the edgest of the grear hole to the edges of the tresure reaf.

All this inply's that darkstone ore and produced crystals were being moved around from area to area on a massive industrial scale, one unseen before by any darkstone temple before

[dense inlet]

Go ahead ✨

[hushed steeple]

The mural in the cavern where one of the lift chains pass shows people mineing ( possibly for darkstone), and also ships from the outaide comeing to the reaf to traid or receave cargo

[deep sandal]

So the mine was constructed downwards but when darkness broke out the water came in and flooded the place? Oh so it’s a trading port

I just wanted to know why it was flooded, I guess it’s just speculation though

[hushed steeple]

Well....no
We dont entirely know what exactly coused the abyss to collaps, but it more then likely has somethinf to do with the giganting 1000 eyes beast going on a rampage 🤣
(The very first mural you see is of the beast reaking havok )

[hushed steeple]

The caves and cavernt were the traiding port, yes.
You still see laders, containers and remnents of boats there

[deep sandal]

Any new clues on where krill came from?

[hushed steeple]

Tones of great theoris on what, where and when, but no one deffinetive answer or example in the game😅

This is something that Im shure the animation will shed some light on the subject, and point to the one true theory to rule them all

[edgy kernel]

"It Was A Nice Place, But Then It Turned Into Something Horrible" I think the architecture around Treasure Reef was more of just a nice place that people put. Like a building to relax, chill, or go around But when the Tragedy arrived, that's when the place turned into a horrible one where light creatures are being exploited

this part in particular interests me, do you have any more thoughts on two time periods like that?

[dense inlet]

I have my own interpretation of Sky lore which is why I have that statement in my message

I think that Golden Wasteland wasn't polluted and full of darkness before. Back then, it was full of life and agriculture. I think Golden Wasteland was a hub of agriculture which is why it was used as a place to create dark stone and to hold factories there. The land was good and there were so many resources. With that, Golden Wasteland's agriculture and environment were exploited.

Before the Tragedy (which is what I call the time when everything came crashing down), Golden Wasteland was full of life and I assume that those buildings in Treasure Reef weren't used to exploit animals, but more of a recreational place that is near the waters. But as the Tragedy happened, it became a place to exploit animals since it's near the waters

[deep sandal]

Yeah like in the trailer for the new animated film you can see the sky kid jumping on stones in wasteland after it has become barren land (also not as polluted as it is now) BUT there is still a sea cow following them!

[edgy kernel]

i have similar thoughts is why i asked, heh.

in my eyes i see wasteland as having almost been a place built floating ontop of an ocean that was drained of its water. in the trailer for two embers you can see its drained, but not corrupted and green yet -

I kinda think the abyss area is a visualization of what wasteland used to be, before it was drained, and then corrupted - buildings above and below the water, mines and manufacturing going on at the peak of their civilization

[deep sandal]

And the only place we find the sea cows is in prairie peaks and prairie seems to be pretty untouched by darkness other than the dark plants

[deep sandal]

Like the Lorax scenario right?? Except the trees are the light creatures

[edgy kernel]

abyss also might be similar to what wasteland might have been before the water was drained, but also in its own split path where things have crumbled and fallen to dust in a separate way, without the loss of water.

And a little bit i think, heh. when i look over at this place, i see the ruins of huge floating bridges, like what forest had built to reach its temple, but far larger. I see it as that wall and pipes being not big castle walls, but like a dam, meant to keep water out of the temple, or the next area.
you can see remnants of what to me looks like bridges that probably floated way up in the water, with all the pipes being hidden underneath meters of water.

[deep sandal]

I can see it

[edgy kernel]

the wall there in wasteland itself is maybe even off center a bit, i could imagine the entire thing floating above the water. The breach in the center of the wall also kinda looks like a dam that had been breached to me, heh.

would make all the sand here basically like the ocean floor, and the puddles of dark water are just what remains of the ocean, polluted by the waste nearby after things collapsed.

I think all the spirits memories here are from the time after everything has fallen, and none before. so theres not much to go on for what it used to be like

been trying to find any evidence of what the realms would have looked like before that time
even forest to me looks collapsed and like it had a higher water level, like all those buildings were meant to float above the water.

[deep sandal]

The part I circled in red also looks like a bridge and the blue looks maybe like a centerpiece in the dam

[edgy kernel]

i think its pretty similar-ish to the kinda structure we see in forest, where there are shorter bridges powered by towers in the ground, so maybe those were swept away when the dam was breached
could also very well have been a part on top, since that area there is a temple and they kinda have a shape like that

I kinda think maybe every pipe we see was actually meant to be underwater, and areas like where this huge ship is crashed, might have been a gigantic dock where it was loaded via the top of the huge walls around here

[deep sandal]

I really like this theory but what about the side walls of the first place in wasteland?

[edgy kernel]

even in two embers everything here also looks... ancient

I actually do wonder if maybe everyone in the world moved to eden, and abandoned everything else as things were becoming more corrupted

[edgy kernel]

the lack of em? I'm not too sure about that, actually. I'm guessing that the bridges would have connected from where the walls we see are around that temple, to the coastline which seems to be behind us, leading up into the clouds of the storm, kinda up into the mountains towards the social area where we start ( and valley! )

so you would have descended from valley to the coastline, where wasteland was, crossed the bridge into the floating temples there.

[deep sandal]

Ah I think I see what you mean now. That wasteland, apart from the bridges, is actually disconnected from the land?

[edgy kernel]

yeah, i kinda imagine at that point they'd have enough power diamonds to just float a ton over the water. I'm not sure if the temple itself would have been floated too, or for example the walls we see in that shot of two embers above. Those maybe COULD Have been dam walls, seeing as the graveyard part of wasteland is full of skeletons and more organic geometry and fewer pipes, in my head i see it as like one huge dammed off aquarium, that was meant to house captured light creatures.

I've kinda always thought that darkstone production involved a lot of water somehow, so them building on or in an ocean seemed like it'd be an advantage

[deep sandal]

Also do we have any scenes from shorts like the one above but about Eden? If not then I think a lot of people might’ve actually moved back to valley considering the technology in valley. For me it helps add to the separation of village and upper area, (maybe the wasteland scientists lived at the top because of wealth they accumulated from research and all the wasteland shenanigans)

[edgy kernel]

theres a couple shots of eden but we dont see too much, heh. like we dont see the eden diamond, but we do have a shot of the city

[hushed steeple]

I as soooo sad I cant joinn this conversation😭😭😭
Unfortunatly Im way to busy now and dont have any of my sky photos😭😭😭

[edgy kernel]

forest and wasteland to me seem like... either they're from two majorly different time periods, or we only see spirits living in them towards the end before the shattering

[hushed steeple]

I just wanna add same something quick about the Waistland broken temple.

If you pay atention, you realise that its the the inside is mostly the same as the Forest main temple, only all wrecked.

The forest temple was a crystal prosuction facility, the first one
The broken temple was one of many that were made later in Waistland

And Abyss was an experimental next gen version of the whole thing that did not end well😅

[deep sandal]

So I think it is actually more just surrounded by water and they use bridges to get around rather than float. Like graveyard and the place at the end close to the temple seem like open ocean (also that ship you said seems like open ocean since we get there by pipe closer to the surface)

[hushed steeple]

Well no
All the stuff that was built in forest and waistland hapend before the shatering

The most of the stuff in forest was built way before the stuff in waistland though

[edgy kernel]

this would all be pre shattering - im thinking of a time WAY earlier
when it comes to what wasteland looked like before their structures fell, I think its a place that would have been built in and on an ocean

[edgy kernel]

I'm thinking maybe they built those walls, and then drained out sections of water, like the inside of the temple was probably not meant to be constantly full of water, heh

[hushed steeple]

Well, next to the ocean at least

The people of waistland were probably sailers, explorers and traiders in the days before they went all in on iindustrialisation

While Forest was the original industrial center of the kingdom, Waistland eventually surpased it in boath crystal production, welth and influance, although that also means they suffered the worst from the polution and plague of darkness 😅

[edgy kernel]

earlier i thought the walls leaning might be due to them having floated before, but its very likely just that the foundations of ocean sand did not hold up to who knows how many thousands of years

[edgy kernel]

yep. when i look at forest, it to me looks like the water levels were drained a few meters by the temple - by by wasteland, it looks like it was drained by 30+ meters, if we think that darkstone production takes a lot of water, that lines up pretty well heh

forest sorta ends up with some side effects of it, like the constant dark rainclouds that hurt your light. while wasteland ( and eden ) are both covered by a permanent storm

[hushed steeple]

Shoot, out of time
Bye

[edgy kernel]

see ya

[deep sandal]

Well forest in some parts I can see a higher tide but in some I struggle with seeing it because when we’re shown forest in animation it’s usually with small homes at the lowest level of forest

[edgy kernel]

its really only around temple that i see it, the other levels look pretty normal to me. let me see if i can get a good angle of what i've seen

[kind cradle]

If i had to guess, the temple was made a long time ago and the rest of the buildings come after the sea level drop

[deep sandal]

Well that makes sense to me as the time of the elders was much before the animated film it seems, but then I have to say why build a temple in the middle of a forest surrounded by water with tall trees

[kind cradle]

smth to do with the constellation probably, it would have to line up kinda like stonehenge

[edgy kernel]

here is one spot that kinda makes me a bit curious about it, for example - this area has steep cliffs and a very shallow creek, and the path here ends on a cliff, with the river bending off to the side. in my head i see it as probably countless years of erosion to this area

[deep sandal]

Yeah those are the parts I see as convincing of a higher water level

What I don’t are the parts before getting there because then they’d be submerged and also clouds are there without changing elevation

[edgy kernel]

the closer you get to the temple, the wider things get as it hits where i imagine there'd have been a lake, where they built the temple. The temple doors are built very high, there are sharp cliffs nearby and even some overhangs, where grass grows atop it and only sand is below, where the remnants of water are

[edgy kernel]

I think everything before is you coming down from the hilltops of prairie, and that none of that would have been underwater until you hit the actual forest brook area. this area for example has a path that leads all the way until that curve in the river, where the path stops. Though, the dock area here to me looks like it was designed for water, though im not really sure how or why lol

[deep sandal]

A lake would explain some things and why the trees only grow so far and why there is grass surrounding the area but not in the second picture as usually the lake is at a higher altitude being able to provide water for life but only to a certain extent

[edgy kernel]

somethin kinda interesting about the view of forest we see in the nintendo switch launch trailer ( which seems to be some early two embers stuff ) is that it isnt even raining in forest yet, and there seems to be far more life there, heh. So i wonder then, if we'll see the river there

[deep sandal]

There is a lake I’ve been to that reminds me of how these 2 pictures are (mountain with a lake but surrounded by a desert)

[edgy kernel]

also the trailer does show them going through that forest before arriving at isle of dawn, so maybe its not the same forest

[deep sandal]

That’s what I just saw

[deep sandal]

But why do they see a forest and a village and when we spawn we get greeted by a cave 😭

[edgy kernel]

if you see that last shot in the trailer 💀
you'll see what happened there

[deep sandal]

But they traveled through a desert and forest, where we first spawn were surrounded by what seems never ending sea

[edgy kernel]

ahh, yeah. i have no thoughts as to what could have happened there unless maybe theres just a cut there lol

[deep sandal]

Yeah probably just overthinking

[edgy kernel]

also just a thought, you see isle there before the stars fell, basically. I wonder if maybe the stars falling could also be in part where all the rest of the world collapsed in general, like all the bridges falling down in wasteland. the stars fell first, before the shattering
and while we play the game after the shattering, we can see what life was like after the stars fell but before the shattering

[abstract musk]

Hello, I got send here, I wanted to ask what exactly the megabird is? I’ve seen many pictures of it and they’re all different, so I am very confused

[hushed steeple]

Megabird, also know as "The Light" among other things, is the closest equivelent to devinity in the sky universe.

Admitedly the exact nature of this thing is hard to pin down, since the lore has changed and evolved over the years.

[hushed steeple]

Megabird isnt really a "god" in our modern understanding of the word. There more like living force of nature, the origin of light energy in the sky world, and by extention the origin of the souls of all sky light beings, be it light creatures or sky kids.

The light that makes up the soul s of living things comes down from orbit, where it incarnates into creatures. These creatures live there lifes on earth, and when the time comes ascend back into orbid and becomeing a part of megabird once more, before reincarnatinf back to the world of sky

[abstract musk]

Thank you so much :)

[quasi sail]

there was a theory that AURORA was the megabird lmao

they had some similarities

[hushed steeple]

Oh there have been a LOOOOT of theory's and debates over the nature of Aurora, anywhere from Aurora being just a normal spirit that just uses lanterns and projections, to Aurora being an aspect or phisical manifestation of Megabird itself

[hybrid zinc]

Do the elders have names?

Looking at the wiki, I guess not

[toxic plaza]

They do

[toxic plaza]

Isle – Daleth (ד)
Prairie – Ayin (ע)
Forest – Teth (ט)
Valley – Samekh (ס) (They share a name, though the fandom refers to the spiky hair twin as “Sah” and the bobbed hair twin as “Mekh”.
Wasteland – Tsadi (צ)
Vault – Lamed (ל)
Prince – Alef (א)
King – Resh (ר)

[hybrid zinc]

Aaah

I'll still call Sah and Mekh the Twins, its easier, heh

[toxic plaza]

lol

[cold sparrow]

These names have been derived from concept art and have never been canon or official, but the fandom still likes to use them at times.
The devs internally refer to the elders by the time of day associated with their realm (e.g. Day, Night).
Besides that, the elders have no canon names, aside from their title (Isle of Dawn Elder)

[surreal yarrow]

Do you guys know what sky kids are made out of?

[dense inlet]

Chaos

[fleet pond]

Been wondering the same thing, they pretty much flexible but then when it come to Eden, they just turn rock as if light no longer in them.

And got me thinking as if they were by something, like a wax or clay, And the the light or our core that we get from winglight to strengthen our Cape or for ourselves is the thing that preventing us from completely turn to solid rock. Since the light in our body is so warm that cause us to move freely and flexibility, like is melting but not completely to melt us, but after the light gone or the winglight gone, we about turn to solid rock, our movements become more slow as if we don't have such flexibility or move freely

(this is just my theory honestly and and sorry if there some word you can't understand, English is not really my first language ( ;´ - `;))

[willow falcon]

Random stupid question that also probably has an answer to
Why is the golden wasteland called the golden wasteland
It’s obviously a wasteland but why the golden

[lucid bridge]

Yeah I was wondering that too. It’s more green lol.
I think it’s because the wasteland might’ve been nice and sandy (so, yellow/golden) before all the pollution.

[haughty linden]

Did you notice that some things in the sky resemble Inca culture? mainly the megabird that looks like the condor of the Inca culture, it takes the spirits of the earth to the sky and then brings them back to the earth making a cycle

[deep sandal]

Before it was polluted it was pretty sunny and most likely full of life, here’s a picture from the new sky animated trailer (also green wasteland or emerald wasteland doesn’t really have the same ring to it lol)

[tawdry copper]

I always thought it was odd that a Wasteland was called Golden, but that makes sense (also dude, charge your phone /lh)

[inland cliff]

Ppl been saying along with a quote from tgc that GW was used to be khown as "Golden Valley" , being a part of Valley of triumph, but along the year pollution and warfare has completely polluted the place, hence the "Wasteland". Basically, the Golden in GW is referring to the golden age of the realm before turning into a wasteland

[deep sandal]

What quote was it?

[hushed steeple]

No, not really
Golden Valley was the name of Valley of triumph dureing early Light awaits, while golden waistland was called "Shores of Mana"

[deep sandal]

That seems a lot more possible to me as valley and gw don’t seem as they were one

[inland cliff]

Don't rlly remember but it was from an old series of poems by tgc which they refers to the name

[inland cliff]

Rlly? I remember the maps name in light awaits are just shorten vers of todays name

[hushed steeple]

Yup
Way before that they were just refeard to as Sunset and Dusk

I dont doubt what @inland cliff said it true, with it being a poem made by TGS from a long looong ago, but I think there must mave been a been some confusion with people seing the word "Golden"😅

[deep sandal]

Yeah, though I agree golden wasteland did have a golden age before the darkness took over. What about vault? Is it just a floating giant tower library? What did they do or how’d they live?

[inland cliff]

The name "Golden" was still never answered by tgc but that's the most lore-wise logic i can think of lol

Golden valley was just an additional point

[hushed steeple]

At some point it did.
But there have been many changes dureing Light Awaits, especially if you look at the verions from early 2018

[edgy kernel]

That is super interesting it used to be named that

[hushed steeple]

Its probably ment to be ironic.
At one point Dusk was THE most prosperous, advanced and rich realm in the entire kingdom of sky (back when it was in its golden age)
Now, its just a "Golden Waistland"

[deep sandal]

I don’t think the use of the word golden is as deep as I’m interpreting what you’re saying, everything seems pretty surface level when it comes to realm names as isle of dawn, it’s a small place surrounded by water ( the morning or dawn, an isle; island ), daylight prarie ( a prairie in sunshine), hidden forest( a thick forest in the middle of a lot of clouds) etc.

[hushed steeple]

Yeah, the names ( and the entire look of the realms for that mater😅 ) went through numerous changes over the course of development

[hushed steeple]

True,
I mean, the original names of the realms were just Down, Day, Rain, Sunset, Dusk, Night😅
We might be looking way to deep into the meanings of the names here🤣🤣🤣

[deep sandal]

@edgy kernel yesterday you mentioned pictures of Eden’s city before demise, do you have them by chance? I couldn’t find

[edgy kernel]

theres like two shots in the two embers trailer i think, one moment

ok only like one lol

[deep sandal]

Ah I thought that was the valley coliseum at first glance lol

[edgy kernel]

with the storm around it and the massive glow, im thinking its gotta be eden heh

[hushed steeple]

Plus its not the same shape as the coloseum

[deep sandal]

Yeah I just dismissed it as I saw a dome with a light and assumed it was just a show and carried on

[edgy kernel]

the next shot after that, shows a bunch of people with spears, and a krill dashing over them
but its raining, which is odd, because it doesnt rain that we've seen in wasteland or eden

[deep sandal]

I’d love to see even a fanart of the war, I’m sure it’d look insanely spectacular

[hushed steeple]

that krill is like big foot
So hard to get on camera🤣🤣🤣

[deep sandal]

The sky population really got dealt a bad hand fighting the darkness 😭

[hushed steeple]

War,polution, eruptions, raging storm, dessolation of the enviromant, lack of available light energy AND fighting the darkess

[deep sandal]

Not to mention very likely class conflict

I think the vault might’ve been the last stronghold along with Eden, thoughts?

[edgy kernel]

I had the thought recently about this, and maybe what we see of a war, or at the very least, skirmishes and fighting.

A lot of the places in wasteland look abandoned, even in the two embers trailer, with the wrecked ship being there. I wonder if the whole world receded into eden, like the farthest areas were being made uninhabitable due to a lot of life dying off ( isle becoming a desert, wasteland's ocean draining and becoming more polluted, crabs being tainted by darkness, maybe even krill attacks )

I wonder if everyone trying to cram into eden caused them to do things like shut the gates in, and stop anyone from entering, which started to lead to violence as more people would have nowhere to go and be forced to live outside

like you make a whole journey to the supposed eden, and they just have their gates shut and accept nobody, and everyone living outside the gates is now just an ever increasing number of refugees trying to make it into the city.

[deep sandal]

Yeah, to further back that up, if you guys remember the season that took place in vault that was about memories or remembrance, i believe some like the war veteran might’ve fought in wasteland but as they were defeated they fled into vault where they were safe until they weren’t. I think the child who lost their mother shows they could’ve been there for a while waiting for help (though this is more of a headcanon)

[hushed steeple]

No, Edan would have been the first one to go
While the war and all that were bad, it was the explosion of the Edan diamond that was the begining of the end for the kingdom of sky
Anyone that was in Edan at that moment (which included all the Elders) got super R.I.P when that happed

Vould on the other hand outlasted everyone. Its the only realm that has not darkness in it, as it was sealed off to the outside world
But, unfortunatly the storm and devestation outside lasted for far too long, and the all faded away in time😔

[deep sandal]

But there was 2 moments of falling stars, so I think Eden might’ve been the best place during the first

[edgy kernel]

I'm thinking what happened was that everyone fled to eden as things got worse, but then it shattered, which took everyone out. something to note about this particular bit of art they released, outside the walls there look like a couple tents and covers

[hushed steeple]

Im praty shure all the spirit memories (untrelated to quests) happened outside of Voult

[deep sandal]

I think it plays a part in the story but I can see what you mean

[hushed steeple]

This is a better shot of that place

[edgy kernel]

i saw that one too, but we cant see the eden mountain or anything so im not too sure if that is wasteland exactly, heh.

but that could very well be a time when people were starting to migrate there, maybe while the gates were still open, or before the corruption got much, much worse

[deep sandal]

The building looks a lot different but I assume it was a concept art? It also seems like a small trading place or market

[edgy kernel]

its also missing a lot more of the architecture of t he wasteland one we see above, namely the main front spike doesn't match at all to the tower with the light and kings symbol on top, heh

[hushed steeple]

We know becouse that thing is also this thing over here
The resemblence is undeniable and you know it😋

[deep sandal]

Could it have been a hospital?

[edgy kernel]

similar building but i dont see the same symbols on it in the concept art at all, if you look at the diamond and triangle shapes on the ruins they aren't present at all.
it also looks far closer to the walls behind it in the concept art

[deep sandal]

This is the same place but it’s placed basically from where this picture was taken

[inland cliff]

I don't think they're going to eden, but rather the vault? Vault was also considered a refugees according to season of rememberance, and assuming war was still happening, im suggesting ppl were trying to reach to the "safer place", but got dragged in right at the centre of the war, and only a few were able to reach vault, with some already in there

[edgy kernel]

I get the feeling atleast people were trying to move away from most of the realms atleast, yeah. vault could definitely have been an option for someone to go, but i imagine their capacity would have been far lower than the city, but if the city was already shut out to the world, well...

[hushed steeple]

Fine
Will just watch the sky animation and see ☺️

[deep sandal]

Can’t wait for it! It’s going to be so good!! I really hope for scenes of the war though , I’ve been wanting to see the twins and wasteland elder fight for so long (supposedly releases 2024)

[hushed steeple]

The pilot is supoase to come out in March

[edgy kernel]

cant wait to stare at the screen and watch it 10 times trying to pick out tiny details

[hushed steeple]

As little as 10 times🤣?

[inland cliff]

Im betting hopeful steward will end up in aviary in the end

[hushed steeple]

We're all hopeing that too

[deep sandal]

I really wish they gave more concrete lore though, I feel it’s pretty vague considering how long this games been out (I know they like to leave it open to interpretation but just some moments)

[inland cliff]

They gotta go steadly for the baiting and milking

[edgy kernel]

me who will probably be buying what is 99.9% going to be a sky artbook tomorrow

[edgy kernel]

im thinking we'll atleast get some big lore drops in this, which will be really cool

[deep sandal]

Certified sky archaeologists

[inland cliff]

Although what i say might me critical, im saying fr since Sky literally doesn't have any lore progression from this age and now on (the new generation) 💀

So basically they gotta keep the story fresh so they won't run out of lore's to make

[hushed steeple]

Say, that reminds me
If anyone in the channel does manage to get there hands on the future sky artbook, maby they might sken it, put the pictures in a google doc or some other thing, and share it in secret here

[edgy kernel]

there are some vague things like flight and revival where we're sorta restoring parts of places, but its stuff outside the main realms

there isnt like, a major overarching progressing story though really, yeah. Sky would probably be a very different game if every season had like a major story arc in the game lol

[inland cliff]

Hmm can we make the tgc colouring pages a book (maybe as non advertisement)

[deep sandal]

There’s a coloring pages channel #sky-coloring-pages

[inland cliff]

Although Dreams, Assembly, Tlp,Performance ,Nine colored deer had their own story arc

That's what i've been wondering too, what would tgc do after the whole lore of sky is finally finished

[deep sandal]

Aurora is canon?

[edgy kernel]

yeah, they have their own but its mostly separate to the general like, plot of like, what happened to the world. even though it does typically hint at it a good amount as to what things were. less direct i suppose, heh. like Assembly showing people trying to make a sheltered home in forest, or whatnot.
Shattering might be the most relevant to my direct interests atleast I want more info on eden

[deep sandal]

I want more info on vague places like wasteland and vault

[edgy kernel]

You might think of it as how things like theatre, or music often end up as how tales of the past are actually passed down through time. Thats kinda how i think about it atleast, heh. Though in this case we kinda see the memories directly like spirits

[deep sandal]

Ah I see ty

[inland cliff]

Yes
They took place in stadium which is def real and the lore are also accurate

[inland cliff]

I actually want more storytelling season that doesn't rely on the main overarching plot since i think it's a great way to show the sky citizens from different cultures and could give us a clear straight-forward story instead of the vague main lore plus it could be a good filler season , seasons especially like dreams or sanctuary

[edgy kernel]

id take that, but place it in wasteland so we see some of what it was like to live there

[inland cliff]

Enchantment kinda did that, along with Abyss with the life of ocean- industrialized ppl, so now we should expect a season abt factories and capitals

[edgy kernel]

both of those are like, groups kinda leaving wasteland
which sure does imply not good things in general about living there LOL

you get there and its 100 cackling cannoneers all trying to fight a krill

[plush cave]

Hi lorechat! I’d like to ask to keep the artillery / weapon / real-life weapon and violence talk to a minimum. I understand that there’s a grey area when it comes to the lore in Sky, but guns, gas masks and armed weapons do not belong in Sky.

I’ll clean up chatter a little bit

[deep sandal]

Not to be that person but there is some weapons in golden wasteland so to what extent is the weapon/violence topic taboo for future reference? (Sorry if it comes off as rude I just want to be well informed)

[lucid bridge]

Isn’t there a harpoon gun in the Treasure Reef area? Are discussions of falchions and catapults and spears (as seen in the Wasteland) allowed - as the relate to sky lore?

[plush cave]

You don’t come off as rude at all! laser turrets were featured in early concept art for example, but I still think there’s a clear distinction between “harpoons in abyss or wasteland”, “armour” and weapons of mass destruction.

I’m specifically talking about mentions of guns, gas masks, and other more modern day weapons we never see in Sky.

I hope this clears more up, but feel free to ask

[lucid bridge]

Oh ok. So game-only stuff. Thank you.

[light minnow]

Right
The heaviest weapon we see in game i believe are canons, during aurora concert

[pastel brook]

just reach out for The Light

[deep sandal]

Ah got it, thank you

[lucid bridge]

Thank you sky bot

[lucid bridge]

Oh yeah, and there’s that cannon you can shoot yourself out of in ||the office|| but I’m not sure that’s canon (no pun intended!)

[slim mango]

Nice :D #1009676335255408760 message

[brave patio]

Where did you find this?

[nimble ingot]

This is likely a post on Twitter.

And as much as I despise how Elon Musk ruined the platform, the website wont let me view recent posts on there without signing up.

Micro rant incoming:
(which in my opinion is a scummy way to get people to use the platform. )
(honestly, how would making the platform run even worse when a person is not signed in be a 'good' marketing ploy?)

[edgy kernel]

that message link takes you to a whole different discord server not twitter, heh

seems they've posted it on their twitter too though, just haven't sent it in this server

[nimble ingot]

Possibly an early post/leak because of timezone difference lol

[slim mango]

yep

[edgy kernel]

well it was an hour ago on the sky twitter, heh
so im not really sure if that'd be a leak unless someone mis-scheduled a tweet

[nimble ingot]

What help confirm it is checking the sky shop

https://thatskyshop.com/password

[edgy kernel]

yeah i believe its going to open tomorrow with the password

[slim mango]

https://twitter.com/thatskygame/status/1755350815387074646

We’re crafting a treasure where colors tell tales, history paints pictures, and lore lights up the world of Sky! 🎨 ✨

Coming soon... 👀

#thatskyartbook

[nimble ingot]

how do we get the password?

[edgy kernel]

I think by email, someone posted an image yesterday in questions-and-help i think because the image in their email didnt load

[brave patio]

What is the password thing? How do I get it?

[edgy kernel]

i assume you'd have to get the email

[brave patio]

what email

[edgy kernel]

you'd probably have to have given your email to the shop to recieve notifications of promotions, or something

I wonder what'll be in the artbook, i hope its just full of stuff we've never seen before

[cold sparrow]

You'd have to sign up for the mailing list before they closed the store.

[hushed steeple]

Wait, is this really happening
After nearly 2 years from teasing us with the artbook and not saying a single word about it since......
My god

[kind cradle]

omg where can i get this

[hushed steeple]

THE SKY ART BOOK....IS REEEEEAL!!!

https://thatskyshop.com/password

[hushed steeple]

I think will find out soon enough😉 (link above)

By best guess is that there probably gonna be releasing the artbook dureing/soon after the sky 5th year aveversary.
By that time the sky show would have more then likely started

[patent pasture]

im so hyped about the artbook you guys have no idea i need it

[hushed steeple]

You and me boath budy☺️

[plush cave]

Me too with the Two Embers coming up ánd the artbook, we are going to feast .

I’m really hoping to see some (more) Enchantment concept art. Aside from some snippets here and there, I don’t think we’ve seen much of it

[cold sparrow]

annoyed because I got the password in the mail but it just won't work
I want iiit

[hushed steeple]

Wait, you got the password?
Is that something you can get?
Is it pure chance who gets it or do I have to so something specific for it?

[cold sparrow]

I don't know if it's just because I signed up for the shop's newsletter, or because I bought something from the store before, but yes, I got a mail with the password like two days ago

[cobalt pendant]

I signed up and haven’t bought anything yet and I got the email

So I think it’s just the newsletter.

[hushed steeple]

Oh wow, congratulations budy☺️
Hope the problem with the mail gets fixed soon.

Also....dont you have to wait like...31 more hourse before you can use the password....or is that timer how much time we have to use the password?

[cold sparrow]

Might be on me
I thought the fact that the password page is up means you could access it, but I think it's another like 9 hours until the time they said it's open for early access

[cobalt pendant]

I think you have to wait till when it says in the email. Mine said you have to wait till 1800 PT

[hushed steeple]

Wait, how do I go about signing up for the news letter

[cold sparrow]

yee
I'm just staring at it like LET ME IIIN
also wonder if the Skykid Nendroid will be available through the sky shop

[cold sparrow]

you need to do that when the site is live and accessible, not while it's closed like right now
there should be an option for that somewhere at the bottom iirc

[hushed steeple]

Aaaa, I see
So that ship has sailed for me I guess😅

[cold sparrow]

yee but you can do that for next time!

[hushed steeple]

☺️👍

[normal yarrow]

I want to ask if anyone knows why I met a few people that call their friends daughters,father,mother even though they aren't biologically related, is there any more related to it?
If so please tag me when replying

[nimble ingot]

pardon...?

Just to understand the question better.
"why I met a few people...?" - That might not be the intended question and assume it is a language quirk. So will look at the other half of the question.
"...that call their friends daughters,father,mother even though they aren't biologically related...?"

To put it bluntly, friends who refer to each other as family members may be a nickname that could relate to their unique friendship.
Or a role play for their skykids.

On the first point, it may be a weird thing for general friendships to have. Although it usually becomes a nickname among close friends or certain friend groups. How and why a certain friend would call another friend something like that may be up to them and not something worth exploring on a public forum.
Simply put, this public channel may not be the best place to ask/talk about those things. It is best to ask a friend or the group (if you are close with them that is).

On the other point, there are some fan lore with skykids fans have played around with.
I'll make a separate message explaining that in a bit.

[nimble ingot]

Skykids fan lore

There is not much canon lore to skykids in particular when it comes to their own community structure or characters.

What we were given about skykids are that:

• they are curious/innocent child like beings
• They are not like the ancestors (because they can fly, can touch fire and cannot die as far as the game likes to tell us aside from being reborn from Eden)
• They are friendly
• They can talk to ancestor spirits, humans and other skykids
• Depending on the individual skykid, they can vary from a being playful, shy, adorable, energetic, mischievous etc. They are like children. So can be as unpredictable as one.

Fans of the game have played with some ideas on how they see other skykids.
This is mostly my take on the fandom, and therefore may miss a few details:

• skykids see each other as equals.
• some skykids are 'older'/'younger' than others. Either based on experience, knowledge, or status (as in being a veteran or a moth).
• Depending on the player group, some skykids may have relations with one another. Wether it is a best friends forever type bond they share, or a family type (siblings). The parents type of relation among skykids is in my opinion a bit of a slippery slope.

Parent skykids can be a niche fans could play around as a make belief roleplay they could explore. Similar to children pretending to be a parent in a game. However, I would not think it is a good idea to take that concept seriously.
Aside from the questions that may arise to how a skykid would 'have children' of their own. It is very much an idea that should rather be taken as something people would joke about while playing the game.

Note that being a veteran is a different topic altogether with skykids. Or more on the players to be fair.
To be called a veteran is not like having a VIP status.
The term in of itself suggests a player is either very skilled at the game (they have a lot of experience), or they were in the game for a long time (usually from the time where the game just released or near to its release).

I have asked, discussed, and theorised on the idea of a veteran skykid for a while. However do not believe a single person would be an 'expert' or well informed about this topic unless they investigated it thoroughly.
I am sadly not one of those people, though can give an opinion on what I learned at least. Which is where others are more than welcome to give their 2 cents on the topic.

A veteran now a days is not the same as a veteran from around 3 years ago.
And this mostly because the game during its beta has a lot of history, which the players from that time also have a lot of first hand experience in.

I would admit to being biased where a player who played in the game for a considerable amount of time (comparable to the OG vets), could be considered vets themselves. If not at least experts.

The game itself though does not acknowledge a player being an 'vet' or not.
However, it does indirectly take into account for players who are 'moths'. As in new players who are learning the game.

As for when would a player be no longer considered a moth. I would not be able to give a straight answer.
I like to think players 'graduate' from being a moth by 'earning their wings'.
As in, they learn how the game works for themselves and can navigate the realms reasonably well on their own. And/or understand what the game means.

It is similar to the Spiderverse qoute,
"When will I know I'm ready?"
"You won't. It's a leap of faith."

[cold sparrow]

Artbook previews from the store

[humble ferry]

Anyone know what happens if you lose all your wl just in the normal realms? like sitting in the rain too long or something?

[edgy kernel]

i believe you get sent to the pity room and get given one winged light back

[dense inlet]

The pity room pitied you for what happened and gave you back a complementary winged light /j

[marsh bridge]

i'm definitely wasting my money on this

[cold sparrow]

I just did
(pricey tho)

[marsh bridge]

it's $168 cad

[crisp socket]

Lorechat is eating good tonight

[deep sandal]

Hopefully resellers don’t get their grubby hands on the books

[marsh bridge]

eating good in a few months when they arrive 😭

[cobalt palm]

My thoughts are anything imposed like relationships between skykids is a kind of 2nd level role playing,
1st level is the player is acting as a Skykid ingame, because that's what the game is.
Then the 2nd level is the Skykid being a kid, and learning about the world through play, so the skykids aren't actually parents, partners, etc. They are playing at families from what they see from the spirits, especially case in point, belonging.
The only thing we know is that they are children of the Light, which itself can have multiple interpretations
The Light (the place beyond orbit)
Light as opposed to darkness,
An entity known for light (such as the Megabird / king)
Or possibly others

Ping because requested @normal yarrow
Excuse my fatigued artbook hyped ramblings

Also Artbook!

[marsh bridge]

is the artbook limited?

[cold sparrow]

The shop currently has a deluxe preorder version with numbered books and pre-order bonus (postcards and posters)
They specifically mention the pre-order extras are limited while supplies last.

So the artbook might be up for unlimited preorders, or might be up to get future reprints, but that's just me guessing

[marsh bridge]

who are these elders lmao

[lucid bridge]

Is that from the official store?

They just look like a bunch of random ancestors maybe they got elders and ancestors mixed up!

[pallid dust]

It's like the seniors' graduation photo. When they were still teenagers

[light minnow]

That bottom right one with sky kid in a spiral reminds me of some images we got recently from the james webb telescope of a spiral galaxy

[arctic sphinx]

Wow, seems like the art book have something interesting

[gloomy orchid]

hi, im old (been here since day one!) but haven’t played in 2-3 years… the shards have memories? what does that mean, they were once alive? has this been expanded upon and i missed it or is it still a mystery?

[nimble ingot]

ayo 0.0

ok, 8 people. Assuming 2 of them would be the valley twins.
That still leaves on of them being the Eden Elder.

Ok. also important note.
Concept art does not equal to offical lore. Because it is not finalised.

It is possibly from the time where elders were once ancestor elders.
Sill looks epic.

[patent pasture]

How do you access the shop? I have the early access password and I can’t figure out how to use it haha

[nimble ingot]

https://thatskyshop.com/password#MainContent

[cold sparrow]

When you're on the page with the timer, click the little starts in the top right

[edgy kernel]

the one on the far right almost kinda makes me think of the steward just a bit

[jovial wolf]

I see from the pov that crystals can store information, like in lantern from the vault
You can also notice that spirits are covered in dark matter and pieces of crystals when not found
I deduct then that shard are very corrupted crystals and it also trapped memories or spirits in it too

[edgy kernel]

I wonder when they discovered that the crystals could store memories, actually. Almost might kinda put a different hint at what the eden crystal was for, if it was storing all those memories, whether accidental or not.

In vault they were definitely using something like that property to store memories, but in the eden crystal those memories seemed to me almost like, as a result of the light of creatures being absorbed into it to power it. If vault is after wasteland chronologically, and wasteland turned that way because of the eden crystal, maybe they learned it from what the eden crystal was able to do.

I cant shake the thought though that maybe the eden crystal could have been meant to maybe store everyone's memories, or on another weird thought, how they were able to trap just memories and not just trapping someone entirely in a memory crystal, or something.

Going even further off track and imagining eden as a big artificial world people could escape into though, is wild

we never see a single ancestor or elder in eden, maybe they're all inside the crystal, willingly or not
Their own little "Eden"

If its holding memories, then we'd never see em.

Need a second shattering season

Maybe the eden crystal's outer shell is what holds all the memories of light creatures, and the center is what holds that of ancestors and the eden elder. all the parts that are actually broken and send off shards is specifically the outer shell

[patent pasture]

OHHHHH

[marsh bridge]

in the trailers for the two embers, one of the kids also looks like the steward

[dull igloo]

In a shard memory, we do see the Edlers* getting blown away from the eye of Eden, like it had exploded into existence
*edited

[edgy kernel]

yeah, but notably the eden elder is absent except for maybe a symbol of theirs

[dull igloo]

There’s also 2 wl, although you only gather 1 in that particular shard memory, which I believe one of the wl is the Eden elder, or some sort of embodiment of him, since they’re also standing on top of the eye

[hushed steeple]

BOOK HYYYYYYPE

FINALLY ABOUT TIME MY DUDES I WILL BUY MY FIRST AND ONLY SKY MERCH. oh right I gotta go check the price (fingers crossed under $80)

[tawdry copper]

Hate to break it to ya, but it's... $125

[hushed steeple]

💔 KKRRERRHHHhhhhh

[marsh bridge]

new lore on the back of the book? or I'm just dumb

[hushed steeple]

Seems to just be a summery of what we already had

Though I chuckle at the word "humanity" after 4 years of lorechat speculating on every blood vessel of what "species" spirits are hehehehehehehe.

[brave patio]

The “prophecy” could be related to the one from season of prophecy!

[marsh bridge]

"centuries of heartbreaking conflict between the light and the void" seems new to me

[hushed steeple]

Many have speculated something very similar to this, although the exact wording in the discription is deliberatly vegue.
The part about "humanity" is someting that has been seen in the concept art we've seen so far, though in a fugurative context of human nature and its coruptability leading to the long series of choices that eventually lead to the doom of the sky kingdom.

Also....2012-2019...wow👀.

It sounds pretty much like the intro

Story about nature vs man:

Story about nature vs man with biblical themes:

Story about nature vs man with a specific character who was slowly corrupted, tied to everything, and some biblical themes:

[hushed steeple]

Well, mot neceseraly just biblical themes. 😅
Im shure a lot of budhest themes like the cycle of samsara are a big factor too, among many other influances

Yeah, like the rebirth cycle

Also..."descendents"....interesting🤔
Seams that just as we refear to the people before us as "ancesters", they refeard to the one's who were prophecied to come after they were all gone as "descendents".
This does feels like a confermation that us skykids ( as we know ourselfs) did not exist in the time of the ancesters.....although like everything else, we will have to wait and see

Also, Im glad to see the word "centuries" there. It seams that the history of sky is endeed a long one☺️

I like the hybrid idea. That they are descendants by being the inheritors of everything that came before. They have bodies like ancestors, and flight and flame like a creatures.

[hushed steeple]

Ooooo, nice one☺️
I like that

I kinda think "megabird blesses the land with a new race" is one of the parts still intact from that early timeline. Just ties things up nice.

[hushed steeple]

Makes sence. I always sow the relationship between sky kids and ancesters as haveing slight similareties to the Mayan version of creation story

O. I outta look that up.

[hushed steeple]

Well, not really the creation story it self.....
Ok let me explain😅

[hushed steeple]

In the Maya creation story, there were multiple atempts at creation, with multiple races of people
(people made of cley, people made of wood, people made of mase)
Each new version was better then the previous, but a fatal flow made them go bad, and so the gods were displeased with there creation, broght forth apocalops, and made a fresh start

While the story of sky is very different, I always imagined the ancesters as a preveous failed race of sky people, with the skykids being a new atempt at creation, a new version of sky people

[deep sandal]

Though I see what you’re saying, it doesn’t seem the case of sky. There was multiple reasons the ancestors went down and too many plot holes if they were a failed “first generation”

[hushed steeple]

I agree, I don't think there was a ton of tries, but still think Skykids were a restart

[queen pond]

why do little prince spirits have chains on them? I'm too lazy to do the quests 💀

[grave elk]

i never knew they had those! Only reason i can think of is related to the actual story of the little prince. Those people on their "planets" are metaphorically tied to the meaningless things they do, chained to eternity to repeat them endlessly without reason and without end.

If theres an in sky-world reason im very interested in hearing it. (Granted i have not finished the TLP questline, but i did read the book plenty)

[vernal crystal]

Lore question…is Sah single?? /j

[native galleon]

Is Mekh single? #equality

[fickle wing]

getting down on one knee n holding up a ring to mekh fr

[rigid mural]

does anyone want to see a cool bird

[keen shore]

i love mekh

[fickle wing]

SALEM IM HOUGNT TO BTE YOU

[native galleon]

salem.

[fickle wing]

how could u post ONLY snowstar

[white junco]

salem i’m calling your parents

[rigid iron]

i don't know what i expected looking in here
edit: WAIT I'M UNHAUNTED????

[white junco]

could honestly be worse

[rigid iron]

just fell to my knees where are my ghosts

[white junco]

NOOOOOOOO

[fickle wing]

NOT THE GHOSTS..

how do y'all think the war between valleyclan n wastelandclan for goldenvalleyrocks impacted the rest of the forest..like idk sludgestar looks kinda rough i think they've seen better days

[native galleon]

what are you talking about

[frigid tinsel]

Mekh and Dusk joined Rain's Warrior Cats roleplay

[keen shore]

“roleplay” this is real life mr dare

[fickle wing]

sah did too but they're not rlly important (ignore the fruity looking one next to them)

[white junco]

dare… to do

[humble ferry]

I'm lost 😬

[white junco]

sorry we’re all very not normal

[humble ferry]

this is the first I'm hearing of this. Something from fan fictions maybe?

[keen shore]

No it happened in the game, if you chibi fall right in the middle of the twins’ altar you can see the concept images of it

[white junco]

war between valley and wasteland over darkstone production is a legitimate theory

[fickle wing]

petition to lock up salem

[native galleon]

signed

[keen shore]

you guys have never been to the warrior cats oob?

[white junco]

i never go anywhere i just sit on rocks and think about the war

[fickle wing]

getting a smidge more serious but it's so interesting to me how they've got diff symbols on their prosthetic arms girl what were they cooking back then w these concepts

[white junco]

mayhaps it had something to do with sah kinning darkstone

[fickle wing]

do u think they have a darkstonesona

[keen shore]

I heard they wrote a rap about it

[native galleon]

oooh mekh still has a smaller diamond symbol tho

[white junco]

mekh also looks kinda angry while sah is very :>

[frigid tinsel]

Mekh remembers how the fandom keeps forgetting about them

[fickle wing]

was just typing smthing abt their eyes n how mekh kinda looks more. Serious? idk words are 💥

[white junco]

at first i lol’d but then i serious’d

[white junco]

maybe to show that despite their personal beliefs, they’re loyal to valley?

[native galleon]

maybe they're not really different after all...two sides of the same coin...

[keen shore]

The angle and the devile

[native galleon]

help

[slender badge]

What kinda gigantic beast caused this?

[lucid bridge]

Probably a krill or the leviathan.

[deep sandal]

Oob crab, that’s why it’s sentenced to eternal abyss

[hushed steeple]

I know it's unlikely but what if journey and sky are connected just on a completely different sides on the planet or something dumb like that

[severe flare]

this is actually a really great recreation of like 2000s era deviantart style animal drawings i love it
(were you guys a group of friends who just decided to momentarily invade lore chat or something? )

[hushed steeple]

I mean, there's there's no evidence for it, but also no way to directly diprove it on acount of us not being able to freely explore the ocean beyond the continent and all its islands😅
Bit of an invisible gardner delema here

Although considerind that TGS themselfs have confermed that sky is mearly a spiritual sucesor to journey and have no in universe conection, I would say this is more of a cool "what if" fanfic concept then anything else😅

Good enough for me

[hushed steeple]

You are free to write fanfic stories with this concept☺️
Just dont try to make sereous sky theoris that involve the events of journey influencing the history of sky😅😅😅

[hushed steeple]

Nah bro I ain't making nothing I'm just satisfied with the answer

[hushed steeple]

☺️

I imagine events of sky and journey as 2 different cultures and places unrelated to eachother but just on the same planet like travel far enough and you might meet the otherside fanfic crap idk never made one before

[chilly rover]

whats a leviathan

[slender badge]

Huh what's that mean? And what's the leviathan? Sorry I haven't been keeping up w the lore

[hushed steeple]

( rumbling from beneath the waves)

Such insolance. You dear call apone my name, yet do not know me.
Well....you shall know me well enough😈

[light minnow]

Beeg fren

[chilly rover]

wha is that is it from the season of abyss? i haven't explored the area yet

[ocean saddle]

yes

[hushed steeple]

Indeed
I supoase that maby I shouldent spoil any more then I already have😅
All Im gonna say is, this is what awaits you at the end of the Abyss quest line

[hushed steeple]

You would never guess that this is how the quest line ends from the first 2 quests, which are nothing more then finding and picking up treasure from the reef
But thngs get more and more ominus as you go along, and your not aware of it until its too late

[plain fern]

Where is grandpa?

[cold sparrow]

the Wise Grandparent is a spirit located in the vault archives

[still zinc]

I’d be cute if they were together during the Valentine’s Day event

[cold sparrow]

Good news: https://youtu.be/pIEcktFLnuU?t=14

[plain fern]

How did the spirits die and where did they live before sky

[lucid bridge]

In the sky kingdom. Likely right where we find them. As for how they died, they could’ve died in any way. Maybe the soldiers died in the battlefield. It’s not outright said, really.

[edgy kernel]

It seems to me like there were many ways it could happen, but memories being stored in crystal is a thing you see in many places or ways in sky.
Quite possible that darkness from eden that freezes us is exactly how everyone else died, except at one point in the past it was strong enough to reach everywhere.
Which, my guess would be the shattering

[hushed steeple]

It really depends on the spirits in question.
Obviacelt we are gonna get a deffinetive conclusive answer to this with the animation, but until then we can use the clues in the game and concept art to theorise

If I were to give my interpretation to the death couses of the spirits...then this is how I figure it went🤔

[hushed steeple]

• First the war itself had a major tole on the population of sky, with boath the loss of life from the battles and other factors coused by it

• Second, we have the biggest factor of all, the detonation of the Edan diamond and the great colamaty that followed.
  Its very possible that or8ginally the perpetual storm of edan extended to all of Waistland and the dark cloud that covers Waistland spread far and wide, covering the whole of the sky kingdom, with the spread of darkness reaking havoc across the land

These two factors would have taken out the vast magority of the sky polulation, with some people like the abyss spirits and the voult persisting way beyond that, though by that point it was only a mater of time before they all faded

[edgy kernel]

Vault might have been a place the last survivors stayed, trying to record everything they could for whoever survives or comes after them

[hushed steeple]

Absolutly
Remember, the 6 realms are ( among many other things), modeled after the progress( or cycle) of civilization, with Voult being in no uncertain terms stated to represent the post apocalyps

That whole place has major bomb shelter vibes going on, with the voult people knowing that "the descendents" will come one day, so they dedicated themselfs to recirding all that they can of the old kingdom

[edgy kernel]

Something i get the feeling of in vault is like, a sense of ending or finality(?) - its like one big museum of "look at all we achieved!" In a way where it was probably not made for those who were left.

[hushed steeple]

That is a great assumption to have
Especially given what we learned from the back over of the the sky artbook about the "prothesised arival of the descendents"( thats us)

[rapid latch]

What stage does hidden forest represent?

[hushed steeple]

Begining of industrualuzation

Not one to one with out industrial revolution mind you
Rather the phase between the simple pastoral close to nature phase of Daylight, and the peak of civilizarion that is represented by Valley

[rapid latch]

Hidden forest doesn’t look very technologically advanced to say the least, people there literally still hunt and herd mantas.

Valley looks 10 times more advanced
plus hidden forest has major post apocalyptic vibes

[hushed steeple]

Like I said, its not one to one to our industrial revolution

Although your mistaken in assuming that forest is all "hunt and hurd mantas"

Forest is the place where the properties of darkstone were deacovered, and the art of crystal makeing first developed

[rapid latch]

Here’s my theory.
The people of the forest lived in harmony with nature and lived off the land. But resh discovered rich deposits of darkstone there, and immediately began mining operations and industrialisation there. They harmed the environment, culminating in the eternal rainstorm that currently envelopes the forest.

[edgy kernel]

I think sorta as we progress through the game, we also sorta progress through time, a bit. So by the time we arrive into forest, its already past its point of industrialization how we see it, and for valley we see them at their height, and wasteland we only ever see after things have fallen apart

[hushed steeple]

It is a realm of mineing
A realm of crafteman and people skiled with working wood and stone
A realm that layed the groundwork for the advancements that will help the kingdom of sky expload in size and prosperaty

I mean the central temple of the realm is a crystal production facility

[native galleon]

They hunt and herd mantas in Valley as well

[edgy kernel]

We almost kinda reach prairie at a point where its very early in time, and in season of moments and the jolly geologist, we might interpret that as them discovering some kind of darkstone for the first time.

All just to say i wonder what wasteland used to look like lol

[hushed steeple]

Looking at the traielers it was a grean realm before it become a desert

[edgy kernel]

In my sorta thought process i imagine each of the realms as progressing simultaneously maybe, but we visit each in a sorta snapshot of a progressing time period

[edgy kernel]

We do know isle used to be green though, i suspect isle might be what is left of it in present day

[rapid latch]

Isle of dawn: Far Cry primal
Prairie: Animal Crossing
Hidden Forest: ARK:Survival, The Long Dark, The Last of Us
Valley of Triumph: Cyberpunk 2077
Golden Wasteland: Fallout
Vault of Knowledge: INSIDE

[rapid latch]

Hidden forest already has apocalypse with the eternal rain

[edgy kernel]

I wouldnt really call that apocalypse but more like, the consequences of pollution

the spirits we see there live with the rain, they have rain shelters and umbrellas heh

[hushed steeple]

The entire world of sky if post apocalips if you see it that way😅
Thats not the point

[edgy kernel]

I really wonder what wasteland looked like at the peak of civilization, or prairie during industrialization

[hushed steeple]

TGS are purpusfully not giving us any hints about that....at least not until the animation comes out😅

[hushed steeple]

Well.....yes and no
Here is how I see this

[edgy kernel]

They wouldnt show a different time period in a realm than its meant to be ingame during a season, i think. All the locations would be meant to fit the realm theyre in, you wouldnt take a step and end up in post apocalypse prairie from the moments area lol

[rapid latch]

My oc who is partially from the wasteland and partially from the forest
and lives there literally got a scar on her cheek cuz of a shard event.

[hushed steeple]

The realms al existed and progressed in the same time as all the others, just like you said
However, the rate of change and advanvement that each realm would not have been constant throughout there history, and the majority of the archetecture and look of the realms that we know today would have all been done at different eras of sky civilization

[rapid latch]

wanna here my head canons about the climate of the realms

[hushed steeple]

go ahead

[edgy kernel]

Yeah, thats what i mean
Time progresses for them all back then, but we have no idea on anything like when they moved to areas or what they would have built in prairie during the peak of their civilization

we're only getting a glimpse of a time period of a realm like a sortof snapshot of it almost

[rapid latch]

Isle of Dawn is hot, and humid
Prairie is warm and tropical
Hidden forest is cold, temperate and humid, and has a mix of monsoon subtropical and alpine climate due to close proximity to prairie and valley
Valley has a cold climate
Wasteland is a cold, temperate desert
Vault (the desert area) has a cool, dry climate
Eden has a polar climate and is the coldest of the realms

[hushed steeple]

well no
We see the archetecture of the realms all in there final form before the colaps of civilization brought it to ruin
The only questionis, at what point in time was most of the look and archetecture of the realms established
Even in our world we have all the countries developing at the same time and all conected, but then you have places like New york where everything is very new, while at the same times places like Baghdad where most of the foundation ( what would be visible after post apocalys) is all from middle ages, but you just have people in the city haveing modern tech like smartphoses

[hushed steeple]

I think that makes good sence☺️
Although I would say alpine climate insted of polar for Edan

Edan is on top of the great moutain that looks over the Waisltand, with the main Waisltand temple beng at the base of the great mountan, so the two realms are actually relatively close when it comes to longetude and latitude

[edgy kernel]

I dont actually necessarily believe that we see them all in their final forms, i think thats where we disagree, heh.

[hushed steeple]

Fair enough, though I would want to hear your reasoning for it
Logicly the realms would have had no other changes exept for gradual destruction and decey when the end of the world happened
With the exeption of Voult there would nit have been any building projects with people focusing on surviving the best they could

Its one thing to say that the enviromant changed, that makes sence, but the archetecture would have been mostly as it was

[edgy kernel]

My main reasoning is prairie - there are ruins there yes, but its a completely untouched sanctuary of life, except for the lack of living ancestors. We have sanctuary isle which has some pollution, but is otherwise green and just filled with life despite being directly adjacent to isle of dawn.
Isle of dawn is even further away from eden and the shattering, but it was completely reduced to a desert with not a speck of life besides the butterflies.
We also have season of moments, another beautiful untouched area where life flourishes despite the apocalypse, and another big part of my reasoning - the spirits there seem like travelers and pioneers, possibly coming from outside the realms for the first time and discovering prairie
( we see in two embers trailers, travelers coming to isle of dawn to make the boat ride up into the temple towards prairie )

and one of those spirits is a geologist, who is very interested in the stones that react to your light - to me i interprer this as them discovering darkstone for the first time

Its quite possible they never went and refitted old buildings, seeing as isle of dawn has no darkstone tech despite clearly many years having passed

You could also view it in an opposite way, like the farther away from civilization center ( eden ) you are, the lower tech and more rural areas become. Its unlikely darkstone tech would have been used much so far away

but i would still think about how isle is desert, and prairie is maybe just as beautiful as it always was

[clear inlet]

Personally I think Prarie was used for raising light animals for battery
why else would they store butterflies in jars

[hushed steeple]

Well...I mean....I agree with most of the stuff you write here, and the stuff I said before doesnt contradic this
I think you might have missunderstood what I was traing to say before, as I was specificly talking about large scale archetecture, not reffiting darkstone tech or the enviromant😅
If anythink what you said before mostly proves my point

[edgy kernel]

I gotta think so for sure, on the doors to forest temple it shows the jars being used to put light into crystals

[edgy kernel]

What i meant by refitting darkstone tech is the areas before progressing with time, as they become more reliant and use it more - from the view of them being snapshots earlier in time like how i see prairie, i think they would have built more there. I dont see why they would just stop building in prairie as time passes all the way through the peak of valley

[hushed steeple]

Precisely
This is exactly what I was talking about before with "at what point in time was most of the look and archetecture of the realms established"

[edgy kernel]

I am confused by what you mean for "the architecture would have been mostly as it was"
like, they built it and it never changed, and they never build new buildings?

[hushed steeple]

I mean that the villages of Priery. with the small temples and so one would have very likely been build waaaay before all the masive city's of Valley
I mean that each realm got most of its most rapid changes and developmants one after the other in the order that we visit the realms]
I mean that you can see the progression of sky history and developmant of the culture of the realms as you progress in the game even though they would have all coexisted and developed at the same time

[edgy kernel]

Yeah, i agree there - it definitely would have been built way earlier, heh. But my thought then is what would prairie have been like in a hundred, or a thousand years?
we dont really have any estimate for the time period difference between the realms in terms of an actual date, heh

[hushed steeple]

again, Im saying the same thing....
Am I really that bad at explaining myself and getting across my ideas😅

[edgy kernel]

Well im not sure at all what you disagree with

[hushed steeple]

I know my writing is messy and all over the place but....no actually, I think i just answered my own question😅😅😅

[hushed steeple]

nether am I at this point🤣🤣🤣
I think we just talked over each other for 15 minutes streight

[edgy kernel]

if i was better at concept art i might try drawing wasteland before it fell, or a more industrialized prairie
wonder if there would ever be any of that in the artbook

[nimble ingot]

Funny enough, there was a user in here who drew fanart of an uncorrupted wasteland in the past.

[hushed steeple]

I think I have that saved somewhere
One secund

[nimble ingot]

Here is a hypothetical scenario I was wondering about and wanted to hear others' thoughts on it.
It is more of a fan theory than lore.

Suppose that skykids can get injured to the point they lose parts of their body.
Should it be their leg(s), would the skykid use something like a cane/crutch? Would they be able to fly still? And if so, would they probably fly about, land and then move themselves to a place they can rest?
Arms may be a bit different, though assuming they have one arm at least, they can probably still manage with most tasks skykids usually do (namely hold hands, and hold items like candles). However, let's suppose there is a skykid with no arms. Would the skykid be unable to do most tasks like holding a candle? Or would they likely have to rely on another skykid to help them, or have a way for them to hold candles and/or other items for them (a prosthetic).

Furthermore, let's suppose this damage is a thing in the game. How would that happen? (I would imagine it could be when a skykid takes a devastating amount of damage, or had been corrupted that caused the affected area to break off )
Would an affected skykid be able to regain their lost limbs by being reborn?

Again, this is a hypothetical theory that is more aligned with fanon that explores this concept.
The inspiration for this stemmed from older conversations on this channel (to which I would like to clarify that this message is meant for fictional characters. And not to be disrespectful towards or joke about real life physical disabilities).
As well as the crawling mechanic in the game where skykids lose their strength in their legs when taking a lot of damage, resulting in them crawling until they can recover with their healing light.

[hushed steeple]

Found it

[edgy kernel]

oh my god that is beautiful
do you by any chance remember who the artist was?
thats even better than i imagined it was

[nimble ingot]

Not the one I thought of, but this is very cool.
There was another user then XD

[edgy kernel]

i am not alone in wanting to see an uncorrupted wasteland thats so cool

[rapid latch]

same with forest when it comes to latitude

[nimble ingot]

Found it.
This was a painting by a user called Salem.
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[edgy kernel]

Something i imagine looking at the elder twins of valley, they both appear atleast to me to have their arms either encased in stone for some purpose ( handling light? ) or they're actually prosthetics, maybe from doing dangerous stunts or things in valley.

So i kinda imagine actually something like that would be available to sky kids who lost parts of themselves - some spirits might have had similar things happen to them, and maybe used ( potentially darkstone powered ) prosthetics to help them.

I remember a while ago someone said that the stuff on our sky kids that we wear, or stuff like even just hair, are projections of light. So i kinda imagine it like that, sky kids might be able to learn through memories to sorta project themselves a prosthetic made of light.

I kinda imagine sky kids might walk around with crutches, or end up getting different styled prosthetics and having to learn to use them, heh.

https://adamwillis.com/new-page-2
Semi related, in this page, there is a section for season of shattering which even shows some concepts for things like a cast, or an arm sling.

there are even masks we have now which have cuts and scratches in them, and one that sorta looks like an eyepatch. I'd worry about a sky kid who lost their eyes

I kinda think it might be cute if one of the arm prosthetics looked more like a bird wing, and we met a sky kid who had lost an arm and part of their cape, but had learned to fly again with a prosthetic wing on that arm, heh.

[nimble ingot]

That is actually a very interesting point!

They are known to hit light around like its no ones business.
While the elders can hande the light (seen by ayin, teth, and lamed. Day, Forest and Vault respectively).
The Twins, Wasteland elder (tsadi) and Dawn (daleth) took the light with their items like a paddle, spear and staff respectively.

I wonder if the twins were once normal ancestors and they handle the light then. Which makes their elder forms have thier arms like that

[edgy kernel]

i cant ever quite tell if its like a gauntlet or not, heh.

maybe some day something like that would be available to sky kids
( will cost me another 200+ AC )

[nimble ingot]

Imagine when we get the Wasteland elder's blessing item.
It could still be a mask. But imagine it is a pair of guantlets instead.

[edgy kernel]

two pairs of gauntlets and then vault has a power diamond prop which projects a shield when placed

[native galleon]

sykloni on tumblr

[nimble ingot]

Oh! wait!

Imagine each elder gives the skykid an item that helps them in their fight with the king.
Dawn gives a light staff to deflect hits
day gives a pot to use as a vessel to store the light
forest makes a small suit of armour
valley gives a pair of mountain boots
wasteland gives a shield
and vault gives a helmet

Behold a tiny warrior ready to face the darkness.
(this gives me samurai jack feels. Or like Kubo and the Two strings lol!)

[native galleon]

https://www.tumblr.com/sykloni/721556015850586112/im-putting-all-the-pictures-under-the-cut-if?source=share slideshow with more pics and captions

[nimble ingot]

I honestly hope this could be a thing some day.

Imagine the cloudy spot behind the eden gate in aviary is water and the home island is just chilling out there.

I'd love that so much!
Because it is literally the best of both worlds.
You get to enjoy the excitement in aviary, but also get to fly off to the quiet of home island.

[nimble ingot]

ooh, this looks cool
(I cannot react to the message sadly)

[edgy kernel]

and as you approach closer, your different pieces shatter due to damage just like in current eden, until you manage to reach the king and hopefully give em the ol 🕯️

[nimble ingot]

exactly! 🙂

[edgy kernel]

alternate universe where sky is a roguelike, and the only way to win the true ending is to unlock all the stuff in each area
in that alternate universe, all the frozen statues in eden are just past versions of you that didnt make it all the way 💀

[rapid horizon]

I am kinda surprised nobody has figured out a better system than sending kids into Eden to die, get reborn, then do it again just to free their old body

[nimble ingot]

There are a few theories about that part of the main story line in the game.

One of them is what if eden is a time bending area that resets time itself. Where the statues we save each time are the same ones as when you entered Eden for the very first time. The spirits reach Orbit and everything. But once you are reborn, you are sent back to the start and everything resets with it (except your skykid who remembers the event still and has gained the extra light from spirits, and they seemingly also remember the event still as well. Even though they are not in Orbit anymore).
Think of it like the resets in Undertale. Or an event some older games like to do to let the player level up and play more after they defeated the final boss (ex. rachet and clank 2, where after the fight, you can go back to before the fight took place, but can now level up your weapons still).

Another is similar to the first, but with the caviat that our skykids are missing something. And without that, the rebirth is a way for skykids to return to the realms and try something else.

Either we need more spirits to gain more light to face the King/eden crystal. Or we have not yet found the missing piece needed to truly cleanse the darkness in Eden.

[marsh bridge]

is this all official concepts?

[nimble ingot]

They are concept art by Adam Willis
https://uk.linkedin.com/in/adam-willis-08379919

They are legit.

Note that concept art are sadly not a reliable means to prove canon lore
It does though show the process. 🙂

[versed mirage]

Is the King alive? I know that sounds like a dumb question but we’ve never even seen the guy, and considering the guy was capable of destabilizing Eden, someone with that kind of power might still be alive.

[light minnow]

Hard to know
There's really no information of what happened to the kind post-shattering
Some file names seem to imply a connection between him and the scene of hugging that light child in Eden, but that's about it as far as i know

[hushed steeple]

"Nothing left to save"

[lucid bridge]

I think the glowing boy inside the Eden crystal (whom you hug) is a last remnant of the king. He can give you strength but not move on into orbit.

[edgy kernel]

I wonder if that says anything about the spirits and residents of eden, as we never see them, either.

maybe the shattering memory doesn't have them because at that point there already was nothing left

[kind cradle]

he was overthrown as per the mural somewhere (i think in sanctuary cave)

[lucid bridge]

I don’t think that (isle cave mural) depicts him being overthrown. I think it either describes the children of light coming after the apocalypse or the king’s rise to power

I can’t think of any evidence that he was overthrown. Sealed away/destroyed maybe

[kind cradle]

hmm so yeah theres a shield with a spear in it at the battlefield in gw as well as the diamond symbol on a shield facing a shield with the same symbol as all the other GW items, and then the gw elder's scene has him show regret about the battle meaning someone or something close to him was lost in it

[lucid bridge]

I agree I do think that the elders turned on the king. Maybe they did overthrow him. Or maybe they were too late. I see the 5th shattering memory (of all the elders being blown back) as evidence of the latter but it’s up to interpretation

[kind cradle]

that could be true, and then the king was destroyed by his own greed for power and kinda created the whole eden thing

if i'm not mistaken in the intro scene it talks about creating a kingdom above the clouds, and then "we didn't listen" a rather ominous scene but i believe this kingdom is eden and "we didn't listen" is a reference to either the elders or the king disobeying a cosmic will for their own gain (which could be the destruction of natural resources as displayed in forest or the polluted geyser in sanctuary, but i think it's something bigger) and this actually relates to the idea of original sin in the biblical garden of eden

and how we can trace the human races problems and worries now back to this original sin just like how the disruption in eden most likely led to the creation of krill and other dark creatures

[upper mortar]

Final boss of Sky: Roguelike

[nimble ingot]

You are ok to ask.

The king is certainly missing.
I would think they are dead (like the other elders. There is a message that hints at them being fallen in Dawn).

we know the Eden realm is the only realm without an elder we recognise.
Aside from the Eden Crystal based on the pattern from previous realms where you meet the elder at the end of their realms. For Eden, the temple and elder have been shattered.

We also know from concept art (and some forbidden qources) that the King and the Sky Prince (not to be confused for the little Prince) are missing/possibly scrapped.

We may know for sure what happened to them in the game when TGC decides to show us some day.
In the words of Ash, WAFO (wait and find out)

[versed mirage]

The thing is, that “Two Embers” thing kinda makes me think the Prince may not be scrapped, considering it looks like a prequel since everyone is still… alive… yet a skykid is seen.

[ruby arrow]

i found something in eden, there is a mural for apparently an eden elder, and then i went to wasteland and there is remnants of somewhat of a eden mask, so in somepoint in time was there a eden elder?

[versed mirage]

Do you have a screenshot of that?

[ruby arrow]

yeah give me sec

[versed mirage]

Oh dang the crown constellation, forgot about that

[ruby arrow]

so there was meant to be an eden elder?

[versed mirage]

There was some concept art of them apparently, and in that concept art, there was a scrapped item.

[ruby arrow]

i love the idea of a eden elder, and i looked around a bit and found alot of stuff that looks like an eden crown

[versed mirage]

That was an item

Not sure how cannon the crown is though…

[nimble ingot]

The eden elder as far as the game is concerned used to be in development during the beta (Light Awaits).

At some point, TGC decided to change things, which meant a lot of Eden was changed as well.

There would have been an eden elder we could see in the game, along with a crown item players would have been able to acquire in some way.

However, the model was scrapped, Eden's final area changed drastically to how we see it today. And the crown was removed.
I am not sure why exactly, though believe it was partly because of the changes to the plot and lore, as well as an unfortunate problem where hackers used to flaunt the crown around.
Thus making the crown at the time becoming associated with hackers since it was not normally obtainable in the game.

[rapid latch]

Do you think skykids get fat?

[lucid bridge]

Conceptually, if spirits could then why not sky kids? I think some pants change our body type slightly? But I’m not sure

[twin umbra]

does anyone mnow any details about those creatures on the map? like the one on the gw area

these

[cold sparrow]

two of these look like the light whales, the one in the second pic seems to be referencing the leviathan, especially since it's by the abyss area

[hushed steeple]

I bet people already replied to this.

But long story short, that mural was actually just being stored there for prophecy, and was basically a bug. Thats why it got removed. Its the same mural, just parts of it flipped, so that people speculated on its meaning when.....it was not done yet.

This is the actual full mural.

[twin umbra]

does anyone also know anything about this? my friend said its named demons prison but idk 😭

[edgy kernel]

where's that even at? I dont recognize it lol

[twin umbra]

i think somewhere below gw

this is inside the gate

[hushed steeple]

hey does anyone have good links to Alef the Prince?

[white junco]

that’s the area where wasteland elder’s cutscene takes place. it’s accessible by oob or by using the wasteland elder pin

[twin umbra]

thank you!

[hushed steeple]

Links? Like connections?

[hushed steeple]

OwO thx!

[edgy kernel]

that bottom right note, is "Jay" someone from TGC?

Just to add to that note i suppose, the forest elder's face accessory resembles the eden diamond's center crystal and outer layer, as if the center of it is basically just symbolizing the crystal itself.

Forest elder's broken stone diamond they hold also resembles the shape of the eden diamond itself too very accurately, to me theres an extremely strong connection between that elder and the diamond itself.

[kind cradle]

hmm that's odd lol

[hushed steeple]

Yeah. I forgot who exactly, but Jay is the one asking the staff. Its kinda speculated that forest temple is a power diamond factory, so her helm looking like that kinda fits. Especially if Resh began the age of diamond production.

[pine spruce]

hi guys!
someone could summarize me the sky lore?

I've been playing the game for quite a long time and i never really understood sky's lore. so if anyone could tell me what u guys know so far I'd be really happy! (if it doesn't bother anyone of course)

(ps: i know sky's lore is mostly theories by fans and there's very little that is canonical, but id like to hear what you guys have theorized so far!)

[hushed steeple]

I'll say what I think it is, and others can pitch in with what they think is different.

The star people came down to the land to build a kingdom, and they have a cycle of shepherding light back to the stars. This involves them literally gathering light for the elder to fling back up, but also in their rebirth cycle where they themselves fill with light (connection and experience with nature) and take it back up when they return to the stars.

A special spirit falls and is found by two spirits in isle, I assume back when it was green, and take care of him. Eventually he joins the prophecy trials where he is the only victor (and potentially survivor) and gains the gift of element lights, which he then bestows upon the elders of the realms, and becomes their Prince, creating eden castle.

Time passes and the Prince begins abusing a light consuming stone to produce power diamonds (what lights up on gates). These diamonds wreck the natural world, and are considered a "forbidden fruit" but Prince, now King, continues expanding them.

This causes a rift between Valley and Waseland, the reason is unknown, but maybe because creating the diamonds uses manta energy and hurts them, and Valley likes their mantas for races and pets.

[light minnow]

Here i will specifically disagree with the "forbidden fruit" part for crystals
Because the game shows us they actively produced, and traded them around
And they are present almost everywhere in the world, though in varying amounts
The rest of this is some interesting headcanon though, i like your ideas

[hushed steeple]

Eventually the darkness gets worse, which causes more creatures to become corrupted, and more krill to spawn. The war is ended by destruction to both sides by the greater threat of dark creatures. Eden is unstable and King in desperation, rebirths, realizing what he brought on. The stars no longer have a constant flow of light, causing the spirits to be trapped in the realms. The broken leftovers of the King return to the stars, were the source of light "megabird" re-uses the soul to create a new race that can fly and has flame to send back down, inherent the world, and free the trapped spirits.

[hushed steeple]

Not a literal fruit. Just Something forbidden to be used.

[light minnow]

I know
And i'm disagreeing because it was openly used almost everywhere

[hushed steeple]

I don't quite get it, how is that incorrectly used?

Its also frequently used because of King's mural at the end of vault. Is it something else?

[light minnow]

Well
It was used, freely, almost everywhere
So i don't think it was forbidden
If it were forbidden why would it be a part of almost all technology, why would there be massive mining operations for them, ect

[hushed steeple]

Oh. Because it would PREVIOUSLY have been forbidden before king took over and un-forbade it.

[light minnow]

Ahhhhhh i see

[light minnow]

Also here i think an important thing is left out
The shattering
Because the king somehow built or at least allowed the construction of that giant crystal up in eden
Which, as seen in the red shard memories, eventually exploded violently
And we see in aurora concert that this is when the war ended, because that event is what basically wiped the civilisation from what we see (as in the aurora concert shows a metor shower raining down on the wasteland and everyone dying)

[hushed steeple]

Yeah, I think the shattering happened awhile after the castle was built, in one of the prophecy murals, you can see Prince, Lamed (I assume) appear and so does the beam coming from the mountain, with no castle. But there is a castle in the final one (I think?)

So I kinda just assume the diamond went haywire right before the shattering, which was the last event that caused King to rebirth.

[light minnow]

Yeah
the Castle was for sure built long before
Because no way anyone built a castle under the current Eden storm

[light minnow]

To my understanding, the game seems to imply that the diamond directly caused the shattering
As you said the ancestors were mis using and abusing the light, so the shattering would be the tipping point where they just went too far and everything collapsed violently

[light minnow]

Also who is Lamed?
First time i hear this name

[hushed steeple]

Vault elder. I use the names interchangeably. They are from concept art.

[light minnow]

Ahhh
I really need to try remembering the concept art names
I only remember Resh/Alef

[hushed steeple]

I agree diamond is tipping point.

Alef Resh prolly most important anyway. Since y'know.....

Theres two princes in Sky :/

Names not important, I just think they're neat :]

[light minnow]

Are there two princes?
I thought they were the same person

[hushed steeple]

The little prince crossover

Green little fella who likes foxes and criticizing people.

[light minnow]

Ohhhhhh right
Yeah i guess he is a prince, though for the purpose of sky lore he's more of a strange, friendly visitor

[signal spire]

The king was reborn?

[light minnow]

That's their headcanon i'm pretty sure
Most of this is
Since the person before asked for our personal ideas and theories

[hushed steeple]

Its just a theory.

A theory I think fits everything perfectly....but, still a theory!

[signal spire]

Could I ask for why you think it fits? I love hearing theories

[hushed steeple]

King is missing, the missing elder of the game who's only hinted at. In concept art, out of all characters, he resembles a skykid the most. Small, with a cape, kinda similar size. And the big kicker, is this concept art. Look like a familiar scene to something in game?

[light minnow]

Wasn't he also shown as being massive in some other concept art?

[hushed steeple]

Thats where falsebody theory comes in.