lore-discussion-spoilers

[hushed steeple]

Tho what I would love- is a love story about two spirits in sky. Like an event with angst

[copper folio]

HELLO!?

I'm thinking things, SOMEONE BONK ME

[hushed steeple]

NO SAME, YOU ARE NOT ALONE XDD

[copper folio]

Are these the older versions of the elders?

[austere coral]

I think so, I've definitely seen that umbrella one in other concept arts.
Hidden Forest elder used to look like a wild child fr

[hushed steeple]

Wild child to mom- I mean a respectful and harsh working blacksmith

[copper folio]

Fr, now the Hidden Forest elder that we all know is like being a parent-

[orchid jolt]

Don't worry, that is genuine concept art

OH THANK MEGABIRD

[lucid bridge]

My headcanon is that the elders never died of old age and so they kept growing to enormous sizes. Or it may be because they were immensely powerful beings and that just made them physically huge.

[austere coral]

me poorly measuring how big yeti's bed is compared to yeti , it's about 1.5 yetis big

[dusk zephyr]

Admittedly I also like a bed bigger than I am, I roll like a rotissere chicken in bed

[lucid bridge]

I think that the king either looked like a golden child or a sky kid. I know there is concept art of his body but that is not in-game content and has been/could be changed. In my head, I prefer the idea that he looked like a golden child for thematic purposes - a child of pure light brought to be a savior to the elders and the ancestors. ; raised by the elders to rule a new holy kingdom as the chosen one, one to guide all to the Light. But along his quest he becomes lost. He is so focused on returning it the Light that he buries his kingdom in the process and severs connection to the very thing he sacrificed everything for. That story is appealing to me.

[lucid bridge]

Yeah. Maybe they just like being comfy in a big bed.

[austere coral]

I'm probably thinking of it from too-modern angle, cause we have things mass produced and they probably didn't. But I know it's nigh impossible to find a bed that's big for a much-taller-than-average-person, and yeti is much taller than other spirits.

Like my bf is 6'7 and we can't get a bed that's 1.5 of him. Unless we get it custom made lol

[dusk zephyr]

Yeah they're a hermit, for all we know they built it themselves (I believe there's also wood cutting axes in Hermit's home?)

[lucid bridge]

Hermit 100% made that bed themselves, lol. They are a hermit, after all.

But maybe there are furniture factories out there. There’s probably furniture stores. They got dark stone factories already.

[austere coral]

Most definitely true.
My headcannon remains that they got a bed much bigger than they need to have sleepovers with a valley elder

[lucid bridge]

Pre-disaster Eden? There is another painting that is more red, which is found in the Theater.

Or perhaps mid-disaster?

[arctic sphinx]

Maybe mid, because it looks like showing what happening as the painter see.

[hushed steeple]

If you are interested in hights, you might find some of these usefull

[austere coral]

Thank you I mainly wondered why some furniture is huge compared to the spirits that are supposed to be using them.
But it's pretty interesting looking at the size differences

[hushed steeple]

Deffnetly
A chibi is supast to be around 61-63 cm ( cant remember exactly), and top hight of sky kid is <120cm
When you take this into consideration, the spirits are within the general range of human hight, while elders are huge

[light minnow]

Chibi stacc should become the new worldwide measurement unit

[hushed steeple]

So, how many Cs are you 🤣
Im around 3 myself

[split ingot]

hi guys remember when we once joked abt sah being a cupid while mekh being the divorce elder thingy

[reef fulcrum]

Hey who's ready for an insane theory out of nowhere, because this is my first Days of Feast celebration?

Winter Courier is Peeking Postman's direct Parent. What we call the Bunny Mask is actually just the "Postman's Mask", and it is directly connected to the Postman's Hat from Majora's Mask. Essentially, it's purpose is the same; as a Symbol of The Postman, but it's been designed again, this time to imbue the power of the Bunny Hood. Which adorned the Postman's Hat in effigy, and gave Link superfast movement speed when he wore it in that Game. As well as the Postman's Hyrulean Counterpart; the Running Man, who becomes literally unbeatable once you give him the Bunny Hood.
.

Once it was discovered by their Ancestry how the Bunny Hood got its power, it was kept a closely guarded secret. Unlike the Postman's Hat; each Postman's Mask is crafted individually, to carry the Spirit of the Rabbit; Wild and Free. Enabling each new generation of Postman to fulfill the honorable duty with even greater haste and efficiency.

Last detail here is that the Bunny Mask doesn't work the same way for us because we're not organic Carbon Based Lifeforms, but that's another topic for another time. I'd say later, but the past is just as well.

This is all another tiny piece of how Zelda and Sky fall in the same Timeline in my head because I'm Crazy. Just totally bananas. 🍌

Thanks everyone.

||(idk why I had to break it up like that. Censor kept flagging it, and I even contacted the mods to ask what I was doing wrong. They never got back to me but I've spent a whole day rewriting and editing out everything I thought was catching it.)||

[distant turtle]

Hello. Is there any back story for the Hopeful Steward?

[reef fulcrum]

Essentially, no. Not besides what you can see in the Quests. He's never been in the Game before, and there's no real telling where he came from.

My generalized theory is that his spirit was essentially trapped in the abandoned Aviary. I argue that when seasons are released; the locations were always there, we just hadn't found them yet. So it doesn't stand to reason that The Hopeful Steward just manifested suddenly, and did not exist at all before now. He has just not ever been (featured in the game) seen by Sky Kids before.

[hushed steeple]

He feels important though.

[reef fulcrum]

Every Ancestor is important, lol.
No but seriously, I know what you're saying.

There's a lot of speculation that he is the other of the two Embers reffered to in "The Two Embers", with the former being The King: Resh/Alef. But until release; we have no confirmation.

[merry plank]

Hey , I really know nothing about the lore so can someone maybe explain me ? Please

[brisk pumice]

I'm not great at explaining but this is pretty good about it! https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Amity206/Sky_Lore_Theories I hope it helps

[merry plank]

Thank you !

[trim gull]

question for you guys to think about: how do you think the spirits got up here?

[dusk zephyr]

Perhaps its current shattered state is a development after the fall of the kingdom.
or they rode light creatures up there (we know they can even attach carts to mantas)

[trim gull]

and maybe the move up the mountain to get up to the castle would be excruitating to keep the lower classes at bay

[edgy kernel]

assuming this view is eden, its hard to tell if that castle there is eden castle, or we're not being given a view of the floating one ( two embers trailer )

[trim gull]

but the the steward is in wasteland

and by castle i mean the floating one

[edgy kernel]

oh do we know thats wasteland?

[trim gull]

well i mean i sorta think its wasteland because of the similarities with the exterior of the temple

[hushed steeple]

Oh yeah, thats 100% Waistland.
Specificly, thats the main Waistland temple ( the castle we enter in the end of that realm), and behind it is the great mountain and the castle city in Edan

[hushed steeple]

The custle didnt originally look like that. Im guessing it the same thing as some of the ruins in Valley, where even though they they are broken and the parts in between had crumbled ages ago, it still floats in place to this very day. ( Thats mastered used of light energy in construction for you😅)

If the comanly held theory that Edan become the capital of the entire sky kingdom ( up until the great shatering obliterated most of it😅), then it makes sence that it would encorporate the best that the kingdom had to offer

[trim gull]

interesting

[hushed steeple]

I dont think that was the original intent. My asumption is that the capital was originally a lot simples, and atached to the ground.
Though it probably ended up becomeing a power move on the side of the king when he properly built his floating castle city😅

[trim gull]

maybe

[hushed steeple]

And just in case anyone ends up pointing this out before me😅 ( Laputa)

[hushed steeple]

I would say mid disaster.....
Or potentially a painting of the shater events we exleriance today. Red chinks flighing from the diamond and all that

[hushed steeple]

You should also remember that the many ancesters were likely. master crafters, masons and carvers, posesing abileties in these filss beyond that of humans.

And the yeti is officially called a hermit, so he probably had this skill, and DIY his bed

[nimble ingot]

I respect those who love to write about the lore in sky and would do so in spite of the skybot nuking any message it seemingly wants.

While the majority of the trigger words are understandable, some of the trigger words are ridiculous in my opinion. I had brought this up to the mods (and one even warned me about testing the bot) in the past. According to those past interactions, they have a reason why the bot does its thing and apparantly the server has a history with how certain words became censored.

Users are best off copying their text before posting their messages (especially long ones) to avoid a situation similar to yours.

Thank you for your effort and hope this helps you with your lore journey in Sky.

[hushed steeple]

Now if you'll excuse me, Im gonna make like a sky hermit and go sleep in an oversized bed🤣

[nimble ingot]

A king sized bed for a madlad Viksa, lol

[lucid bridge]

I think the Eden castle was floating before the red crystal explosion happened. My evidence for this is the painting shown in the picture attached to this message, which is located within the hall of harmony and depicts what I believe to be Eden before the fall. I think the king lived in Eden’s floating castle. The crisis, imo, occurred when they tried to build a huge dark crystal that had enough power to send Eden (and maybe the whole sky kingdom) into orbit. The crystal grew too powerful and ended up destroying civilization instead. Like a catastrophically failed rocket launch.

[edgy kernel]

oh woah, in that kinda view, i almost wonder if the red crystal was viewable to everyone in all the kingdoms
I hadnt seen that before

[light minnow]

I imagine they could've maybe seen its light similar to how we see the beacon from everywhere

The crystal itself is definitely too small to be straight up seen from so far away
But it may have emmitted enough light for that to be visible

[odd pagoda]

do crabs feel pain

[marsh bridge]

i was thinking about that, but then i remembered that one of the children were destroyed and the other becomes king

[edgy kernel]

hmm, im unfamiliar with that but - do you think maybe the one which was destroyed could have become a spirit, maybe one of the first?

Just gonna go off on a weird thought but maybe aviary could have been a place pre-shattering where spirits could rest, not connected with the rest of the kingdoms, a place maintained by the steward.
the connection to wind paths to arrive there doesn't come until we help flight guide to open up the tunnels there too, so i almost imagine it cut off from the rest of the world, so they could rest.

then the shattering came and wiped everyone out, and now we rebuild the place to be used as it was, but now for all those who passed in the shattering, and not from what may have happened before it

I think otherwise, the only way to arrive at aviary for spirits is to fall from the stars, which we also do after we pass through eden ( if its set as your home, heh )

[dusk zephyr]

(Home space players also get dropped in aviary after accending, at least with the 0.23.5 update)

[edgy kernel]

that sounds like it might not be intended but i guess we'll see if they change it

[dusk zephyr]

who knows what's intended now, with the smudging of Aviary and Home the way it is right now, and the A/B testing on top of it.

I wonder if the walls around the bell tower used to be higher before the shattering. The edges around it seem jagged, and the left wall is much higher than the right one. Plus the still floating rock chunks.

[edgy kernel]

I can imagine the shattering probably knocking a lot of the bell tower off, seeing as its in direct view of any shockwave that might've come from eden

the floating stones seem vaguely staircase like to me, or maybe they were a part of something else we might repair some day

[dusk zephyr]

I think the staircase structure is a convenience for players to ascend the bell tower. I've personally seen it as chunks of the outer wall that separated.

[grim horizon]

hello, i heard that the lightseekers and the assembly kids are related, and i kinda had a small thought that may sound stupid, but could this imply that every lightseeker had a child, with each of their children being a member of the assembly crew, and each of the kids looking up to their parents as role models, which instilled in them the desire to build the treehouse?

a long question, but heres my assumptions, relating one lightseeker to an assembly kid:

assembly guide - lightseekers guide (realm N/A)
scolding student - shushing light scholar (vault of knowledge)
daydream forester - crab whisperer (golden wasteland)
marching adventurer - twirling champion (valley of triumph)
baffled botanist - doublefive lightcatcher (daylight prarie)
scaredy cadet - laidback pioneer (hidden forest)
chuckling scout - piggyback lightseeker (isle of dawn)

some of these spirits have come as ts's in the past, and i based their familial relation based on some similar ts hints (as well as their spirit names, which could imply the jobs their parents did) plz let me know ur thoughts on this.

[lucid bridge]

Tbh I completely agree

[grim horizon]

ok so im back on the idea, and i got some stuff to compare:
scolding student and shushing light scholar.
both the masks and capes look super similar too!

[grim horizon]

ok heres some more comparisons that third one is forester and piggyback lightseeker

i also do believe that marching adventurer and twirling champion are definitely related.

i want to provide better pics but i dont have the time rn so i hope lorechat can help me out with this lol

[drowsy flare]

Is the fact that only prarie is covered with snow somehow related to lore?

[pastel brook]

https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/Sky:_Children_of_the_Light_Wiki

[lucid bridge]

It could be, if you want. Irl it’s because of the Days of Feast event.

[cold sparrow]

I believe Wind Paths is too

to be fair, vault and forest are largely covered areas
valley is already snowy
wasteland is a toxic hellhole that would lose some of its ambience (and it might be too warm, so low to the ground, or maybe the toxic sludge emits some warmth too)

I haven't checked it isle has any snow, if it doesn't, that might also be because of it's too warm/moderate and its proximity to the ocean (as large bodies of water help storing energy and even out temperatures in areas)

no, I will not take questions why Home is snowy then-
maybe different temperature currents are flowing by there

[lucid bridge]

The isle and cave of prophecy also have snow

[cold sparrow]

Alright, good to know

[rustic glen]

so sad forest doesn't have any snow, i was hoping for a snowy forest

[copper folio]

Wait, the whole Isle of Dawn and Cave of Prophecies don't have snow.

Isle of Dawn is a warm desert. And yes, it's by the ocean, and we wouldn't want the whole ocean to be frozen.

The Cave of Prophecies is... Well, a cave.

And my guess as to why Hidden Forest doesn't have snow, is the climate. It's raining there. And not much compared to Golden Wasteland, it's naturally under a sea of clouds.

[cold sparrow]

Isle of Dawn is not necessarily a warm desert
more like a dry, vast beach

[copper folio]

Yeah, but it's not likely for the Isle of Dawn to have snow on a dry, vast beach.

[cold sparrow]

baltic sea beach dunes regularly get snowy

these dunes are massive and may very well be - intentionally or not - an inspiration for isle of dawn

[twilit sequoia]

I'm trying to piece a few things together, but my current question is;
Is the little prince area and quest line canon?

My thoughts are that it isn't and it's just a story inside the vault of knowledge like a story book, but you end up interacting with the little prince outside of the starlight desert.

[cold sparrow]

Debatable - as in there's been plenty of discussions about that, and every user has a different idea about that. Some consider it outside of canon as a collab season, some consider Prince and the Starlight desert to be very real, some (like me) consider it something inbetween
I believe the Prince and Starlight Desert are somewhat metaphysical, artificial creations by the vault's memory lanterns, which are also likely responsible for the surreal state in some of the other corners of the vault.

[twilit sequoia]

The bot really doesn't like something you're trying to say. Mischievous little scamp it is

[cold sparrow]

well, the second part of my message that the bot didn't like me to say was

[dusk zephyr]

The big drip word is eaten by the bot, from me watching other users get hit by it.

[copper folio]

But is Isle of Dawn even a baltic sea bach?

[cold sparrow]

it very much looks like that to me
cool colors, dim light, dry sand, but not dry climate (as the temple is growing lush grass

[copper folio]

I mean, the Isle of Dawn temple is in a literal floating island. So it's natural and common sense that it doesn't have a platform of sand.

[cold sparrow]

which one, the l one?? because I have used and written that word plenty of times, even in this channel

[dusk zephyr]

Maybe it's a new change, but I did watch a very persistent user ask about any beta info in #questions-and-help with that word and get deleted earlier this week.
The message, not the user.

[cold sparrow]

Just got a reply from the mod, apparently they added that to the filter not too long ago because of the uptick of leaked (squints at the bot) content that wasn't meant to be seen yet, but they said this filter isn't necessary anymore and has been removed.

There we go, word is safe to say again.

[cold sparrow]

I mean, realistic physics and all don't necessarily apply to Sky. Sanctuary has a floating island with a never-ending waterfall. Where does the spring pull its water from?
They could totally make a floating island that has a layer of sturdy rock at the bottom, but is covered in layers of sand.

That said, Isle of Dawn has always looked very chilly to me. It has very cool colors and shadows. There is no spot where you feel like under the scorching sun - unlike the design of the deserts in Journey. It always felt more like a very vast maritime beach than a desert to me.

[copper folio]

That really makes sense. I'm just trying to connect realistic physics in my own perspective and the game itself.

And I can agree with you about the scenery of Isle of Dawn. Chill, no chaos indeed, but has a mild backstory if it has one/had a canon one already. It's just purely simple.

[ripe viper]

Doesn’t the top and floating isles in dawn have snow? I could have sworn I saw some when I was going light collecting the other day. Just on the temple island and the butterfly cave areas but those are the only areas that it would honestly be most noticeable in

The rest of it is sand so it’d blend in (see: how many people thought the valley was sand and not snow for a while)

The rocks are more like the paths in the prarie in that they seem to have been shoveled and cleared somehow

I do very much wish I’d gotten to see snow covered forest though that was what I was most looking forward to forward too :((((

[hushed steeple]

As someone who has actually been to a Latvian beach, I can conferm
It kinda messed with my head to be honest, walking on what was a sandy beack a few months earlyer, and seing it compleatly covered with snow😅

[hushed steeple]

Honestly thats kinda debatable, and it really depends on what aspects of the season you are talking about.
The thing that @cold sparrow is a very valid interpretation given what we see in the game.
Personaly I am more on the side of it being mostly real, and these are my arguments for it.

1 Is stralight desert an artefiial construct or projection created by lanterns or other methods? This is something that does have some merit, though personally Im not conviced.

• Unlike Voult which is series of closed off chambers and caveties, Starlight desert a vast region thats all outside under the open sky.
• And while Voult has vareous dimonds and lanerns that we power up along the way, and moments of things being projected , Starlight desert doesnt have that. The world exists as it is constantly without us activating anything.
  Becouse of this I dont belive starlight desert is in any way an illusion created by lanters or such things, though it is possible that light magic or some such thing is what couse it to be somewhat more metaphisical and dream like then other regions

2 A starlight desert a story or some similar kind of non phisical place ?
This one I strongly disagree as not only do we have shards falling in this area at the same time as the shatering is felt in the rest of the world, but more inportantly this region is conected through the wind paths to the rest of the world, and you freely come in and out of this region like any other phisical location in sky.
So the starlight desert itself is deffinetly a phisical material place

I dont want to argue against people choosing to belive that the Little Prince season and Starlight desert are non canon or non phisical. I just wanted to give my reasoning and evidence for why I have such strong opinions against it.

(not finished)

[cold sparrow]

Unlike Vault which is series of closed off chambers and caveties, Starlight desert a vast region thats all outside under the open sky.
Do consider that both the Archive and the Remembrance Refuge seem vast and endless. They may not display a sort of realistic sky, but there is something seemingly reality-warping going on in the vault.

[hushed steeple]

Are you shure
They curtainly seam vast and endless but they are still INSIDE the great cavity that is the Voult, while starlight desert is clearly outside of voult

[hushed steeple]

I never said that there might not be some reality bending stuff hapening in Starlight desert, though I do have doubts that its an arteficial illusion or projection created by the voult people (at least not in the same maner that we've seen).
My personal canon is that this land is kinda strange and dreamlike on its own, a resoult of a strange form of light energy that has a presence in that land. It would give the world of sky a bit more intreage, that there are places on the remore end of the world where things the forces that shaped the world dont quite work the same way that we are use to.

[reef fulcrum]

I'm kinda sorry I've missed a lot of this conversation today and yesterday.

I validate a lot of the "reality bending" in the Vault using Special Relativity having to do with Black Holes.

My overall theory is that the Whole game exists in a Quasar surrounding Eden, and furthermore, the Vault itself is an entirely contained Black Hole. It was built before the Shattering, and designed to hold INFINITE information; archived forever in a spacetime singularity...

Starlight Desert is absolutely physical, but actually doesn't necessarily exist directly right around the corner from Wasteland Elder's Temple.

[twilit sequoia]

Makes sense as the windpaths lead to it

[hushed steeple]

Nobudy said it does. Quite the opposite
The Waistland Elder's temple is around the base of the mountain, with us basicly entering inside the mountain ( and the realm of Voult) through a tunel

||Secret tunnel 🎶 secret tunnel||

[twilit sequoia]

Bit strange as the starlight desert is quite far from the mountain, comparitavely if you look at the size of the mountain

[cold sparrow]

To be fair, there's not even a direct tunnel to the Starlight Desert anymore, as it has been replaced with a room that will transport you there with a meditation circle

[twilit sequoia]

Indeed, it's more like a story room now

[hushed steeple]

My point exactly
When we look at the mountain in starlight desert its really really far away. Its looks further then from the begining of Valley, which becomes really huge when you get to the end. The view looks more like us viewing it from Priery or at the closest the begining of Forest.

Becouse of that, I think this region is actually on the oposite side of the mountain, and basicly (for lack of a better term) found at the end of the world

[twilit sequoia]

Looking at the details of the top of the mountain, it does look like some of it was swapped. Although I'd need to get a closer look

Nah. Could entirely be an oversight on design though, or a limitation given it's a mobile game.

The city below the hovering castle is entirely different tho, so it IS a different model.

[hushed steeple]

To be fair I never took that into consideration to begine with

But yeah, thats kinda how I imagine this thing working. You have open sea ( probably ocean) when you move oposite to the mountain, so that could be the end of the continent, with an air curent that moves along the costline that lead into the inner sea ( where wind path and all the islands are located).

[twilit sequoia]

Something tells me the map in-game isn't accurate on the direction of things. At all. It would be fun to map out how directions go

[hushed steeple]

It deffinetly isnt, especially when it comes to scale of individual regions.
The biggest discrepencies are found withing Waistland, Voult and Edan, boath in the region size and in the fact that changes in elevations are shown the same as changes in direction😅

[twilit sequoia]

Like... For example.

[hushed steeple]

Am, what exactly is the problem here?🤔

[twilit sequoia]

Eden is in the direction of the coleseum from the tip there, but the map suggests it should be to the west of where it is

Or maybe it's more accurate than I think... Hmm.. Give me a bit.

[hushed steeple]

Not really. Edan is always shown to be to be more or less to the west of the main path you teavel through the realm.
Remember, you take a turn left from home, and then right when you go reconect at the end in the Coloseum

The game does comferm that you take a general east to west path when traveling though Valley.
That you are facing directly at edan from the start and end of Valley is more a reaoult of how those specific point are orientated in relation to Edan, rather then how the entire region is orientated

[hushed steeple]

While the map is deffinetly not exact to scale and some of the directions are not exact, I think that for the most part it does give a good intdication of the general shape and the lands of sky and there relation to one another ( at least for the first 4 or 5 realms😅)

[hushed steeple]

-You got the Isle of Down thats a large island far to the south
-Priery thats a series of archepelagos that suround a penincula

• Forest that is located to the south west and west of the continent
• Valley as a great mountan range that goes in a east to west line
• Waisltand that is between the Valley Mountains, Edan mountain and eastern sea, with most of the realm being centered on the eastern coastline.
• Voult thats inside the Edan mountain, with the lands mostly empty lands beyond the mountain falling under its control

[hushed steeple]

There is also an inner sea that is formed and bordered by the incyrceling costline of the continent and the larger islands and archepelagoes of Priery, Isle and Waistland, with the Wind paths at the center of it at the nexus of the worlds major air curents.
I like to think that there might have been transport and teade alond this sea in the old days, kinda lije how the Mediteranian worked in the classical era of greese and rome

[twilit sequoia]

I'm doing a bit of mapping depending on angle of entry points and angle to Eden. Fascinating that Eden isn't visible from sanctuary island, but the angle in is.

Here's the first major problem. There's no telling the distance between the hidden forest and the valley of triumph.

[hushed steeple]

You might also take into consoderation that just becouse a lot of the social areas are facing towards edan it doeant mean that the regions as a hole are ariantadet that way.

[twilit sequoia]

Sure. Like the valley of triump and the hidden forest angle away after the social area.

[hushed steeple]

Wait, is the thing on the bottom supoast to be Isle of Down👀?

[twilit sequoia]

Supposedly. Not exactly widthed correctly

[hushed steeple]

Oh I wasnt expecting that. Just wanted to know what Im looking at😅

Honestly I think that the gap between Isle and Priery should be way bigger

[twilit sequoia]

That little island between the temple and the area after it is the social area. Maybe it could use a bit more length

[hushed steeple]

It really should.
I always sow that travel between Isle and Priery as somethimg like fast teavel
Isle is so isolated boath politicly and culturaly from the other realms, so I always sow it as it haveing a good geogeaphic isolation as well

[twilit sequoia]

It's possible there's a lot of game design shortening things. Though this map is what the game has to make more sense of how the game is laying it out

[hushed steeple]

There is quite true☺️
Like I said before, I think the map IS quite acurate as far as vegue shape and orientation of the realms is consern, with a lot of librety taken with scale and placement to meke visually coherent and practical for game purposes

[twilit sequoia]

Yeah. I'm realizing that. There's a lot of wrong angles on the in game map, but they actually have the placement of eden pretty good at each of the zones. The only things I'd say is the distance between the hidden forest and the valley of triumph are very vague since there's no connecting landmarks, and you may just be right about game design shortening passages when the place should be bigger.

[hushed steeple]

Also, as for the distance between Forest end and Valley start.....
I do think its quite uncurtain, but georgaphicly It makes sence that the end of forest is near base of the montain range, with us fast teaveling up the mountain. So that entire part is conected by land,

[hushed steeple]

Im thinking about potentially drawing a very rough estimare of how I imagine the lands are conecred and orienrated one day, and then perhaps we can compare notes

Right now though I should go to bed

[twilit sequoia]

Rest well!

[median onyx]

Why do krill emit light before snatching yours unless deep calling isn’t light and just a signal idk

[twilit sequoia]

Likely echo location. More likely visual game design to let you know you're being charged.

To elaborate more on the echo location, light kids seem sensitive to it. And the "roar" that happens at the same time is just the dragon's call. Doesn't necessarily come from just sources of light. Like, crabs for example have their own call we can copy.

[edgy kernel]

i think almost every creature that can make a loud nose makes those calls, like mantas or the bigger whales too?

[copper folio]

Has anyone noticed and realized that not only do the seven realms in order can be interpreted as a life cycle of a child from birth to death, but also can be connected to the daily day/night cycle? Like, the surroundings of each realm in order tell it all.

[twilit sequoia]

This is very intentional and has been talked about by the devs. Both parts, yes.

[copper folio]

they could be sounding a lot similar/kinda similar, but differences can be spotted.

[twilit sequoia]

Even in the game files we can see how each zone is named in the day cycles.

[edgy kernel]

even ancestor spirits can mimic or make calls, and something i have noted is a similar effect happens when reliving a spirit they have a high pitched little call the memories can do as they move around.
it may be a visual design thing for sound like mentioned, heh.
I think even the huge bells across the game do something similar?
Sky kids can see sound

[twilit sequoia]

Grandma likes to mimic the people chirping at her table. It's fun

[copper folio]

Either that or sky kids just have the ability to harness sound from certain creatures, only.

My guess is that the reason why we can't mimic the call of a krill, is because of our properties and their properties. I mean, Krill is a Dark Dragon, generally speaking. And we're... Well, children of light.

Light and Darkness are complete opposites.

[twilit sequoia]

We as sky kids require the harvesting of dead ancestors to learn how to feel emotions. I think no ancestor dared learning from the creatures hunting them down.

[edgy kernel]

maybe, though crabs are often referred to as dark creatures, and we are able to have a crab call

there is the krill horn, which isnt a call but is something

[copper folio]

Were light creatures even that hostile in the past?

@edgy kernel remember the crabs in the light parade while the timer for the AURORA concert is still going? Those don't attack, and have no darkness on them.

[edgy kernel]

i missed both aurora concerts and havent finished the final quest yet
all i remember is seeing the crabs in forest in the trailers and animations for the game as those red eyes in the dark

[twilit sequoia]

Crabs seem to only be hostile when they have dark flakes on them. Which kinda suggests they're not bad necessarily, but corruptable. Or easily irritable? Dark dragons have always been bad looking at any of the history scenes with them

[edgy kernel]

and the daily quest refers to them as dark creature crabs i believe

[copper folio]

That's my point. Crabs aren't that hostile. It's the darkness on them that triggers them to attack us. But that comes to this... How did those innocent crabs get covered in those dark flakes?

[twilit sequoia]

Seems more of a jab at pollution than anything as it's the crabs in polluted water or the polluted geyser in on the island that are unhappy.

[edgy kernel]

mechanically both crabs and krill charge you whenever you're in their sight, crabs are just rather weak
they do seem rather corruptable though, having those black flakes or even large red crystals on them

[twilit sequoia]

Polluted waters make us dark and flakey too

[copper folio]

So it's the polluted water coming from Golden Wasteland's backstory the cause?

[twilit sequoia]

That's my assumption

[edgy kernel]

are the crabs in sanctuary isle covered in flakes too?

[copper folio]

Yea they are, but how?

[twilit sequoia]

And from Aurora song about not eating money, it's all about corporate greed, and not caring about resource usage until it's too late.

There are friendly crabs on sanctuary isle above ground that are nowhere near the geyser too.

[edgy kernel]

well there is the polluted geyser in sanctuary, and some of those golden containers around by a crashed boat.

[copper folio]

There's those same dark flaked crabs in two of the Sanctuary Islands' caves. Consider them friendly?

[coral reef]

Hi! Can anyone bring me up to speed with the sky lore?(I didn't even know sky had lore till I joined the server)

[twilit sequoia]

Likely effected by some nearby pollution

[copper folio]

Such as the geyser, I suppose.

[copper folio]

Check the pins, you may have more than an idea or two.

[twilit sequoia]

Flight guide brought in an interesting idea about the golden vases though, and how they may have played a plot in the pollution.

[copper folio]

... Or not. Nevermind that.

@twilit sequoia True, I was thinking that maybe those pots were some sort of a container for the darkness pollution that caused the geyser to be polluted.

[twilit sequoia]

They was a war after all. Perhaps intentional sabotage?

[copper folio]

I guess. But it's unlikely that the war affected the sanctuary islands. It's seen as a peaceful mini archipelago.

And it says in the small desc:
"Sanctuary Islands - An escape from daily civilization."

[dusk zephyr]

Even without sabotage, perhaps some of the pollution and darkness was brought in by shards after the war. There certainly is pollution in the water table if there's darkness plants and the geyser.

[copper folio]

Certainly. But it's just an ample amount of darkness, is it not?

Like, it did grow some darkness plants and made the geyser polluted, but it is by no means that the whole isle is completely polluted.

[cobalt palm]

I've only just realised thanks to the wiki that the track from the 3rd ost "The Enchantment of Minds" is when the final quest (diamond) is completed.
If a previous track "The Enchantment of Air" relating to the 2nd quest is anything to go by, the song title refers to the element, so could the purple diamond mural refer to the mind?

[grim horizon]

alrighty. someone tell me if this is plausible. (its a draft from one of my fics in the series)

[dusk zephyr]

It seems reasonable, the way the Backflipping Champion rides a manta (feet spread apart, braced into the wind) is quite different from how Sky kids, and presumably Spirits nowadays would ride a manta.

[grim horizon]

Im also kinda thinking abt warrior of love, and how they rode on a mantas back similar to how people ride horses ig, if that makes sense

[dusk zephyr]

It makes sense, but I have to admit, I've replayed the AURORA quests far fewer times collectively than I have Backflipping champion.

[brisk pumice]

i've done backflipping once and warrior eight times and runaway six times and all is soft inside once and the seed twice

[dusk zephyr]

Dailies and helping my moth friends get all the base spirits, what can I say ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dusk zephyr]

I just looked it up, and the kneeling posture is still quite different from how skykids just get "glued" to mantas.
The physicality of it all, I suppose. But my main point still stands, what you wrote is completely reasonable.

[weary spear]

hi lorechat, first time poster but ive had a few thoughts while playing:
are light kids ever explicitly stated to be light beings? i feel like thats the general consensus but to me, even though they can hold light and even produce it, its worth noting that when they lose all of it they don't just fade away, but instead is even able to host dark crystals (not just be encased in them). wouldn't it make more sense to say that they're somehow in between or (relatively) neutral? spirits can also interact with light, but can't produce it (as shown in some memories), but are also able to be encased in darkness.

When skykids lose all light, they turn into this wingless dull shell thats able to have dark crystals grow on them. The only creature that seems to have any shell/bones are dark creatures and whales. is there an intentional correlation, or just confusing design choice?

and on the topic of dark creatures, isnt the concept itself kind of an oxymoron? Dark crystals or plants can't necessarily move, and in the concept art light is said to be motion and change while darkness is to be stasis and structure. Visual language wise, everything dark is represented by cool and dark tones, while light is warm and bright. What if red light is something seperate from darkness? A kind of light that can motivate darkness, or use it as a host? Everything related to darkness, like elders, spirit memories or plants are inert until you use light to interact with them, and it thematically makes less sense for the red light to be another kind of darkness. Could it be some kind of corrupted light?

[edgy kernel]

I dont think what they are is ever directly implied at all, but personally I believe sky kids are some sort of hybrid between the ancestors and light creatures, and maybe made of some material totally absent of light.
The mural you can see in the intro and now in Aviary i find particularly interesting because the body shape is the same as whatever that was previously in the sky, but ours is drawn without light, and then the light comes in afterwards and is pretty separate.

I think for dark creatures, they have insect/crustacean looks to em, with the body segments of krill or the crabs which almost look like they're just one big piece of rock. the crabs ingame have white eyes but they show up in the animations as having red eyes, so thats an interesting thing to think of ( and crabs / their eyes flash red when they charge you )

[light minnow]

Personally i like to imagine krill as giant corrupt skeletons
Their legs remind me of ribs
Though skeleton of what i do not know

[weary spear]

nice catch! plus the fact that you pretty much borrow your light from the glowing children of light too (and they don't have capes/wings)
maybe the skykids capes are some kind of artificial vessel built to hold light?

is blue generally the colour for ancestors in the murals?

now im looking at some of the murals and it looks like the ancestors offer candles to elders? im interpreting this as candles being vessels for light and light is offered to elders as tribute. were the ancestors trying to ascend like skykids are?

[hushed steeple]

You can see Bowing Medalist hair during The Seed- they are in the battlefield area if you look carefully

[finite vigil]

Does anyone have a list of every piece we have to put together the lore?

[spark island]

Does anyone know why Forest Elder snatches our candle light in the temple cutscene?

[cold sparrow]

probably to help with the characterization in a wordless medium
to show that - where isle and prairie elder were gentle and guiding - forest elder is more interested in their work than the feelings of others
and to show that light is an important component in this darkstone technology, mayhaps

[native galleon]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message reposting one of my favorite theories to explain this

[light minnow]

I think they just want your light and care little about you
They don't care if you're willing to give it or not, they want it

[rocky grove]

hi everybody! regrading the screenshot I'll post below

does this mean spirits have some sort of power tools? I wouldn't doubt it because mellow musician has an electric guitar

[soft timber]

I would say yes to some degree, we know that at least some kind of tools are used as we have a spirit chopping down a tree in their memory

[lucid bridge]

Saws and hammers are some of the most basic tools in history, so I don’t doubt that the ancestors have them.

As for power tools, I 100% believe the ancestors had them. I mean, we have confirmation of a harpoon gun existing (not to mention flying platforms and memory copying technology) - so power tools seems like a piece of cake.

Oh right. And the electric guitar. 🎸

[soft timber]

Yea, an electric guitar with it's own supply of electricity

[lucid bridge]

The little dark stones are basically batteries

Maybe you just had to hold a candle up to it every once and a while

[trim gull]

you would snatch the light if it has been like 1000000000 years and youre deprived of your interest (building) for so long and now you have the oppourtunity to build again after that long wouldnt you

[brisk pumice]

only like 500, don't exaggerate. (It says "centuries before the first star fell in the two embers trailer, so I think it's like 500)

[dreamy saddle]

You could use these for your map? @twilit sequoia

These are screenshots from the Tom Zhao site I’m sure you could find them in better quality there https://www.tomzhao.com/sky1

[twilit sequoia]

Neat. I'll take a looksidoodle

[trim gull]

oh ok thanks

[brisk pumice]

Speaking of the two embers trailer, there is a spirit in it similar to one in the running wayfarer memory.
They look mostly the same except for the fact that the second one has something on their back.
These did come almost a year apart so Idk but they look pretty similar.

[trim gull]

were talking lore not bugs here sirr

[dense inlet]

I think that the spirit with a ponytail in the trailer is Ushering Stargazer

And in Stargazer's memory, they're the ones who saw the child who fell from the sky along with Rejecting Voyager

[brisk pumice]

Yeah, but the child in running wayfarer's memory looks like the child in ushering stargazer's memory, but ushering, the one in running's memory, and the one in the trailer can't be the same person, since the one in running's memory dies. I personally think that the spirit in the running wayfarers memory is related to ushering in some way, but that might just be me.

[hushed steeple]

Can Sky Kid aka us take fall damage?? I see the spirits take fall damage and died- Runaway (Aurora quest in Isle of Dawn)

[dusk zephyr]

No probably not, though apparently in very early versions of the game (the beta?), crashing into the ground too hard will make you explode WL.

[hushed steeple]

I can imagine that xD so Minecraft fall damage won't affect us, nice

[dense inlet]

Both are twin sisters
Source: A manta told me

I'm just kidding
It's because I think that the child in the trailer that is being hugged is the child that fell from the sky. Thank you for sharing your insight tho!

[floral skiff]

What is the sky kids political affiliation

[grim horizon]

can someone help me compare this? Did the rate of my running (bad phrasing, but i mean the timing of when my feet hit the floor) get slower when i wear the shoes? This is my first time buying shoes in the game and will be my last so im just curious.

[dusk zephyr]

I know shoes add a bit of height (enough to prevent chibi falling) and the running animation speed is inversely proportional to height.
tomorrow, I can overlay them via video editing.

[grim horizon]

yeah, i did notice that skid gained a bit of height w the shoes

[light minnow]

When you go chibi + mini potion it just goes taptaptaptaptaptaptaptaptap

[teal zodiac]

Me when

[hushed steeple]

No, no, nonono, NO!!
Please dont go there.

The world has already gone crazy enough as it is with everybody getting so polarized and radicalized over political affiliation and putting so much effort into tearing each other down insted of makeing any meaningfull social contributions

Pleese dont take this the wrong way, Im not makeing any statement about you.
Im 100% curtain you had purelly inocent and inquisitive intent, but this is not a good time to get into this😭

[hushed steeple]

Ngl it reminds me of a goose or a duck running, every time I hear them run

[past canyon]

OK but what is it 💀💀💀haven't heard of that ever before

[hushed steeple]

Heard of what?

[past canyon]

Sky kids political affiliation
Oh nvm I'm just dumb

I thought maybe there was a club or something

My bad I just woke up

[hushed steeple]

I mean, the question doesnt really make any sence in universe when you think about it😅. There is not enough sky kids around or visible social structures/higharchy to have political affiliation be an actual thing

[light minnow]

Plus they're children
Children usually don't have affiliations unless they're taught one
Which sky kids can't because they don't really have parents

[past canyon]

Thought aurora was mommy ngl

Wondering if we can extrapolate based on their behavior around sky being a kingdom

[hushed steeple]

My reaction was mostly in case the person was asking what IRL political affiation sky kids would fall into in tearms of maping there world view, which also doesnt really make any sence, and more inpirtantly, is something that I really dont want getting descused given the politicly polarised and radicaluzed state of the world today

[past canyon]

Makes sense

Although it kinda sucks, I wish we could lightheartedly discuss about made up politics in sky, but you're right it will be sensitive and polarizing for some

[hushed steeple]

Oh, made up politics is totally different ( although that would involve the most wide deffinition of the world politic😅)

I was just against bringing any of the political IRL [wards that will get me band from this server] into the discusion😅

[hard hatch]

interesting theory that my bf told me about mantas!! he believes that they are representing parenting in sky world (considering that whole thing about maturing in different locations)
we can ride them in prairie as they are guiding and protecting us but sadly we can see their bones and remains in vault (and spirit forms also), everything is dead as well as we reached our end in sky life

ITS S A D but i think it kind of fits in lore thing

[light minnow]

I just had a thought
What light even is it that we gift to the elders
It's not a WL, it's not our candle but it still appears to come from us

[hushed steeple]

Wait, are you talking about when we meet the Elders in there temples or......?🤔

[light minnow]

Yes

[dusk zephyr]

It's particularly noticable in Forest's cutscene, because the skykid has both the lit candle and the chest light only visible when you put your candle away.

[fossil mason]

damn...that's deep.

also, is it true that the manta that you save in the forest saves you from the krill in the first krill area?

[hushed steeple]

Well this does go into the question of game design vs in game lore
How much of us instently pulling candles out of our hearts acurate to the actual world of sky

[light minnow]

Not quite
The manta is just chilling there before the krill arrives
Then when it does arrive, it locks onto and eats the manta without you being noticed

[fossil mason]

AHH...poor thing🥺

[light minnow]

I did manage to save that manta once by ramming into the krill though
Made it look at me instead

[fossil mason]

hahaha i have done that by sacrificing my friend(they were okay)

[hushed steeple]

Personally, I think that in universe we do spend a part of our stored up light energy.
But in order to not have players lose curenc in order to visit the elders......well you get the picture😅

[hushed steeple]

🫡

[dusk zephyr]

Now that I think about it, the pointing candlemaker in Aviary does request for us to light the candles they produced as well.
Not sure how much it relates to the Elder cutscenes, but that is a thing as well.

[hushed steeple]

I mean, there is something to this theory, but not really 😅
The 6 realms of sky perpesent vareous stages of human life ( as well as periods of the day and phases of human civilization)
I dont think that mantas spificly are ment to represent perenting as your bf said, but there is a bit of overlap on acount of the whole growing up vibe

[grim horizon]

hello @dusk zephyr, apologies for the ping. Have u found the time to figure out the running rate yet?

[dusk zephyr]

I had to do some IRL errands in the morning aha, I'll get on it now :)

[grim horizon]

oh sorry dw bout it, sorry sorry

[grim horizon]

loooorechhhhaaaaaatttTT
what kinda food do we think the spirits ate

[dusk zephyr]

Bread is a staple food in many cultures.
We also know that fish, crabs, and jellyfish can be caught while fishing, and the bonfire in Graveyard literally has some crabs in a pan (previously the were roasted on the stick directly), so it's likely that they were part of the diet previously as well (more so the fish and crabs than the jellyfish)

[grim horizon]

Hmm, so they couldve eaten a seafood and carbs diet ig

[dusk zephyr]

My analysis is complete.
The No Shoes group had a step time at full speed of 6.79±0.79 frames (30 FPS) while the Yes Shoes group had a step time at full speed of 6.71±0.73 frames (30 FPS).
This approximates to about one step every 0.23 seconds for No Shoes, and one step every 0.22 seconds for Yes Shoes.
A negligible difference over all, and I can not really even call it significant.

Confounding factors, My video program only supports a specific range of "normal FPS" while the two videos you had provided were at 38.45 FPS and 33.99 FPS respectively. This results in the program showing duplicate frames at times when they did not align with the 30 FPS I had used. However I was able to successfully pull 19 consecutive steps from the No Shoes clip, and 14 consecutive steps from the Yes Shoes clip.
I hope this is satisfactory.

[grim horizon]

👁️👁️ WHHHOOOOAAAAA
ALSO THANKS IMMA READ THIS NOW-

[twilit sequoia]

Does height change character speed as well? It FEELS like a chibi has a faster acceleration over someone who is tall

[grim horizon]

The speed of all skykids is CONSTANT but its the height that makes it seem like some kids move faster than the other.
Thats why chibis seem "faster" than super tall kids.

[light minnow]

Your movement speed doesn't change
But your running animation changes to match said speed
So chibis have a faster animation while tall ones have a slower one, so that it looks coherent

[lucid bridge]

King symbolism in the Wasteland Elder’s temple

[lucid bridge]

What do you guys think?

[dusk zephyr]

I think the left one is supposed to be Isle as the first song is there.
The other three match up with song locations as well.

[edgy kernel]

I wonder if theres anything to prairie being not included there, beyond just there only being 4 songs. prairie elder is also not present in the shattering memory, i think?
despite it being isle elder's mask the one not present on the eden door

[slender sphinx]

prairie elder was takin a nap and when he woke up the world was in flames

[nimble ingot]

All elders are present in the shattering memory (it is a bit hard to see them in the dark. but rest asure, they are all there).

Vendilly has a point about the first song being located in Dawn, not Day.

[edgy kernel]

oh really, do you know of any image with em labeled i couldnt identify em lol

[nimble ingot]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message
#lore-discussion-spoilers message (with names)

[edgy kernel]

somehow i didnt see em LOL thank you

[nimble ingot]

you are welcome, and it is perfectly understandable.
They are a bit hard to spot from the darkness.

[edgy kernel]

so then, prairie is missing from valley aurora concert ( unlikely to be anything, but i find it interesting ) and isle elder isn't represented in the eden door, though they ARE in the shattering memory

[nimble ingot]

That and the song (in the concert), Runaway, is the only song to feature an elder in the realms.

The Dawn elder having that piece of lore is very intriguing.
It is most likely not because the song happened to showcase the temple. As the Wasteland Temple is also present in the Seed of Hope song, and yet no elder present.

(forbidden lore tidbit: ||I know there were speculations from the season when it was in beta about the elders shown in the war scene. However, this did not make to the live game. As well as far as I recall, was defunct by the mods here that it was not meant to be canon. I'll confirm this shortly, but figured to add this piece here||
||Update: I cannot find the exact message sadly, but it is possible for messages about it would have been deleted ||)

pro tip to lore enthusiasts: Save images. You might never know if they might become lost to the void of Time.
Bonus points if you would put in the time and effort to source them (as in write down where and when you got them images, a link to the message also helps)

[edgy kernel]

interesting

seems like i really need to head to #looking-for-group-live and get myself into a group for the aurora concert

[marsh bridge]

are the prince and the king the same people?

[normal ermine]

Anyone know why there are eggs in hidden forest? (Specifically in boneyard)

[nimble ingot]

Some have theorised it could be so.
However, these theories that I recall from this channel vary in how that may be so (and not so)
Take note though that the live game has neither character physically present (the Sky prince has virtually no evidence compared to what little can be connected to the King).

From what I recall (which you are welcome to look up or ask others for their theories), there was one about the Sky Prince growing up to become the King (making them the same character, but with different ages and different times).
Another that the Sky Prince could have been the next to become the new King (making both separate characters, but implying the Sky Prince could become a King).
And another suggests the King is a creation (like a suite) for the Sky Prince to use to act as King (making the Sky Prince the King, but the King's body be somewhat like a mech suit of some sorts).

It is very much open to debate and interpretation at this time.

[marsh bridge]

interesting

[nimble ingot]

The eggs in the Boneyard, Hidden Forest, were once part of an old season quest (season of Rhythm if I am not mistaken).

I suppose it safe to assume they can be called Easter Eggs at this stage, lol.
Sadly, there is no quest related to them in the game currently.

[normal ermine]

Krill eggs?

[nimble ingot]

Bird eggs, lol.

There is another similar easter egg that can be found in the Valley of Triumph's Citadel.
A snowy figure of a bird laying on a slab of stone.

This is a similar type of quest once from the same season.
Like the eggs, the snow bird has no quest connected to them currently.

[normal ermine]

oh.

Welp thanks for the information.

[severe flare]

Oh I always wondered about that bird statue and what it meant, it kind of looked like it was supposed to be a dead bird laid out on a slab so I wondered if it was some sort of depiction of a sacrifice or something (whether literal or symbolic) - what was the quest for it? Did it give any hint what the statue was about?

[nimble ingot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhF2zxsF4E8
Here is old gameplay of the quest back in Light Awaits.
I believe it used to be belong to season of Rhythm,~~ I just want to look that up to confirm~~

[severe flare]

ooh thank you! man that’s a cool little quest, I’m sad that they removed it

[nimble ingot]

I looked in the comments.

There is an important clarification I should add.

Back in Light Awaits when season of Rhythm was running, the season did not have relivable quests or a dedicated season area. These were made part of later seasons (notably season of Enchantment that introduced questlines with relivable memories and a season area).

The season in the beta for Light Awaits was called the "Winter 2018" season (according to wikipedia). When the game got its limited live release, the season was called season of Rhythm.
The season went through some changes where spirits changed locations, but seemingly had quests.
That said, these quests are sadly not relivable (which explains why when the Rhythm guide was introduced in season of Revival, there were no quests/wishes to fulfil for them compared to the other guides).

[lucid bridge]

The prairie elder IS present in the shattering memory, they’re just sort of hidden in shadow. In fact, all the elders are present in the shattering memory. Despite the songs available, I think it makes more sense is Isle is not present in the Coliseum. There is only a negligible amount of ancestors who lived in the Isle. It makes more sense to me if prairie was present in the coliseum because there is a large enough population there to attend kingdom events.

Or perhaps they combined Isle + Prairie.

[hushed steeple]

Wait what egg? And where can I find it

Nvm I found them, I thought they were pebbles- I guess my graphic is just bad xD

[lucid bridge]

They’re not explained. It’s literally an Easter egg haha. But I like the interpretation that they are eggs of the Elder Bird. This creature is not seen in-game, but it is seen in the Season of Rhythm cutscene.

[copper folio]

Are these elder names canon?

[lucid bridge]

Technically, those names are never used in-game. They were used in concept art but were either removed or never implemented. So whether or not those are canon are up to you.

[copper folio]

And imo, about the eggs seen on a tree trunk at the outside forest temple area, there could be something that's in between the elder bird and the egg. The Nightbird from the Season of Moments.

I think that in the past, it could've hatched from a nest somewhere in the forest or from any realm and grew into a Nightbird in the elder bird's early stages.

Then like all normal birds and birds of light, it might've migrated to Prairie Peaks because of the clear climate.

Then blah blah yada yada it grew into an elder bird, and maybe it laid its eggs onto that tree trunk.

{NOT CANON}

[lucid bridge]

Has anyone noticed this map of the Forest that is in the Treehouse?

[dense inlet]

Apologies for ping

Yooooo what part of the treehouse is that? I haven't seen that map until now

[lucid bridge]

No worries about the ping 💁 It’s in the bottom room of the treehouse, to the left of the main entrance

[dense inlet]

Thank you!!

[dreamy saddle]

Did vault not always have this diamond thing or have I just never looked up enough lmao

[lucid bridge]

Vault always had those.

[hard hatch]

anyone know why there is 5 masks instead of 6 on eden door? (if we count valley bros as one mask) and why there is no wasteland elder in there
also im a lil confused by those two masks because they are identical...who is that?

[edgy kernel]

i believe this is how it lines up, if you look at the wasteland elder one it has a sloped on the sides shape, with a smaller top, with prairie being the horizontal rectangular shape

[hard hatch]

OOH okay thank you!! very strange order tho

[hushed steeple]

I need a map that shows the location of the souls :))))

[hushed steeple]

I need a map that shows the location of the souls

[hushed steeple]

this should answer your question

[hushed steeple]

What @edgy kernel is corect. Each of the masks in the edan portal and edan enterence directly coresponds to each of the Elders....exept the first one, the Isle Elder.
The main reason for this has more to do with the developmant of the game and the changing versions of the story then any concreat lore exlenation

In the oldest version of Light Awaits (the sly beta), you start out at Isle of Down, made your way through the map until you reach the Elder, who back then was know as the farrymen. He would give you his blessing and send you on our way on your journey on a boat.
The boat would take you far away and up in the sky, droping you off into a cave , which eventually lead to to the original Aviary.

This is the version of the game that added the the Edan gate as we know it, along with the option to travel to other realms form your home space.
However, you werent only able to travel to the other 5 realms, not Isle

[cold sparrow]

isle elder is effectively represented by the fifth line going to the floor

[crude meteor]

why no isle elder

[hushed steeple]

I already started explaining😅

[crude meteor]

oh yeah i saw

[hushed steeple]

Its mostly a consequence of the the lore and game changing over time, and some design elements getting left over
One can deffinetly make reasonable lore explenation, but I think its inportant for people to know the IRL reasons for these things

[nimble ingot]

It may be possible (as a hypothesis) the Dawn elder is not on the Eden gate because they may have not sealed it up like the ohter 5 have.
The gate opens when the skykid has the elder's blessing to open it.

The game does not show this well in my opinion, however the hint text does say that the elder's blessings are needed to open the gate.

[hushed steeple]

That is very true.
I kinda see it as you needing the Isle blessing to start your journey in sky, and the other 5 elders blessings to make your way through Edan

Its also very inportant to remember that in much older versions in the story (and likely still a thing dureing the oldest possible pre Light awaits beta version), Isle of Down was phisicly seperate from the Sky kingdom proper.

The rest of the realms were LITERALY in the clouds, far above the ocean, while Isle was a lone island in the ocean where you start your jorney, and needed the Farrymen's boat to get up there

This in itself is an evolution of of an even older, older OLDER concept of the world of sky being a world conected to our own

[nimble ingot]

In Light Await, there were moments where the Dawn elder would have given the skykids a blessing.
Seeing these were old changes and thus likley scarpped or retconned from the lore. They might not be canon in the current game.

I still like the appeal and implication of the dawn elder in those moments though (therefore would make nice fanon lore).

At one time, the dawn elder was the one to grant skykids the ability to fly with their capes. This was before winged light were introduced.
When the change was made, it was around that time where the old cutscene of the dawn elder removed two interesting details.

• the Dawn elder used to summon boats for skykids to pass through a stormy cloud tunnel. This in turn took their power and caused their mask to fall apart. Making them weak once more. It was an interesting gesture for an elder to be given power and chose to use it to help the skykids instead of keeping it for themselves.
• The dawn elder once granted skykids a blessing that gave them their capes. Although it was changed to where winged light would give skykids capes, which changed that pacing slightly and removed the moment with the elder.

I dearly hope the Dawn elder (along with the others) get an update to their lore some time.
Because each one deserves to tell their story.
(That and Dawn deserves more than just being a 'tutorial realm')

[hushed steeple]

I really like this. A fun bit of fanon lore

[nimble ingot]

ooh, this was an interesting lore chapter I see the game tries to bring back, but not quite in the same way as suggested in the Light Awaits lore.

In the concept art, it is implied that the 'human world' (earth) is a different place the 'sky world' is connected to.

In the current game, the only evidence we have of this is the Office and parts of the Collab seasons.

I do find it interesting how this piece of the lore is connected to Vault.
I wonder if the ancestors came from the 'human world' a long time ago. And in Vault's era, they somehow managed to make contact with what they thought was their ancient world. I wonder how the ancestors would feel with seeing how much it has changed since they left so long ago.
Would they have thought the "modern world" has become better than how they left it? Or worse and were trying to change it, but ended up corrupting themselves in the process? (random thought)

[hushed steeple]

This conection to earth was way more explicit in the oldest consept art of the game

[nimble ingot]

It somehow reminds me of Narnia.
How those worlds were connected to each other and the way you can transition between them in unexpected ways.

It certainly would be a stretch if TGC were to use Narnia as inspiration for their world building.
Where instead of meeitng fantastical and mythological creatures, it went a more spiritual route. More in line with Studio Ghibli's Spirited Away than the closet to the snowy Narnia.

[hushed steeple]

It seams that sky was originally a kind of pergatory or some sort of purely metaphisical place.
However, TGS moved away from this concept over time, and instead focused more and more on makeing Sky a world on to itself, with its own hystory and development that is a reflection of our own without needeing to be dependent on it.

[hushed steeple]

I know many people do love this consept of sky and our world being linked like in the first version of the story, but personally I do kinda prefear haveing Sky be its own thing, a living breathing world with its own evolution and cultural development
Then again, thats just me😅

[umbral jetty]

Question, I see a lot of eden and elder interpretations etc. on here but was wondering if anyone is interested in some of the spirits in particular?

[copper folio]

I'm missing a lot of lore today

[subtle wave]

I have a theory how candles and candle cakes are made: Skids just collect Red Candles and paint them white and some random Spirit replaces the Red Candle at the speed of light, I sent it before lol
I just think maybe ts hand some of their candles to Normal spirits and then they use some spells that last for a day so the candle cakes are larger and they paint them red

[lucid bridge]

The spirit who gives you the emote. What did they see? I believe it was the king/prince/Eden elder. But why did he glow? Why does he look like the winged light? Was he pure light?

Also, Sky kids and elders came into being by falling from the sky. But did the ancestors give birth? I don’t think they were able to ascend to the Light without help.

I think that the King was a being a pure light brought down to help the ancestors in their time of need. Like a Chosen One. But in his quest to return to the megabird he lost his kingdom and doomed countless people. He is such an interesting character to me!

[tough tide]

There is a concept of skykids and the way they look at different stages of life, and when they are born they fall as a glowing light, then materialize after landing

So blurry but this conceot is very similar to what the ponytail isle spirit saw in the memory

[tough tide]

Can you elaborate on who would need help to ascend?

[lucid bridge]

My theory is that the ancestors could not make it to Eden for whatever reason. Maybe the stream into orbit was cut off, or maybe it was just because they can’t fly (which ties into my theory that the ancestors were dark creatures, the elders were pure light creatures, and the skykids are a mixture of both). The ancestors fled a calamity that destroyed their original homeland and ended up on the shores of the sky world. The isle elder helped them ascend into the clouds and the rest of the kingdom was formed and ruled by the other elders.

The king was a creature of light and wanted to bring himself, the elders, and the entire kingdom into orbit. He failed due to using dark crystal, and the red eye of Eden caused an apocalypse when it malfunction and absorbed too much light.

I’m busy rn but later I plan on writing my whole theory as it currently stands.

[tough tide]

I always figured that ancestors (spirits) could migrate to Eden on their own and ascend when they reach old age, when the city was still prospering. Then after the Eden explosion the pathway was blocked with debris, darkness, and dark creatures which didn't allow the spirits to ascend, leaving us with the memories of those spirits we view now

Because of their unnatural death

[tough tide]

I really like the idea of the isle elder elder being like a catalyst to a new civilization. Do you think the isle elder was always in the clouds or did they descend from the stars like the rest of the elders? Or maybe they were the first to descend?

[lucid bridge]

I think they descended from the stars with the rest of the elders. As for if they descended first, idk. I think they all descended about the same time.

[elder tundra]

Hellooo i saw that there's given names and stories to the elders is there a link to where i could read them or atleast have info about them?

[brisk pumice]

Check the pins, i think there's something in there.

[sudden gust]

So I'm doing the ice-fishing with a friend and a couple of times I've brought up what looks a lot like the butterfly jars from Prairie. Wonder if that could mean anything. What if there's more to Valley that's hidden under the water? Or something like that

[nimble ingot]

It is possible there is a bit of litter dumped under the ice.

We know the ancestors litter, sadly.
(source: second quest for season of Passage. The one in Forest where you pick up ancestor junk in the dark)

[dreamy saddle]

I mean they def had boats, ice rink has one under it yes? (That space I believe used to be filled with water until the dive mechanic was added and it was removed because it just would work so now it’s empty space)

[sudden gust]

True, although that's technically only visible during the quest itself. We haven't seen any litter in valley (or I'm just blind which is definitely a possibility) so I was just thinking about if it had any possible meaning

[nimble ingot]

I would consider left over mining equipment in Treasure Reef (Abyss) as litter, or at least abandoned junk.

[sudden gust]

Also true, but that's in Wasteland not Valley. I think the closest we've seen to litter there would be the boat under ice rink and the lift system before we light it

[marsh bridge]

are the little fishes in the social area of prairie light creatures

[remote skiff]

possibly! the fish in treasure reef are white and yellow like most light creatures.

[lucid bridge]

I consider both the koi and the various other fish to be light creatures. Even if the koi don’t recharge your wings. Some birds don’t recharge your wings but I still think they’re light creatures. Same with the sea turtle and the ghost eel, too. Poor ghost eel.

I assume it’s dead because it’s see through.

[hushed steeple]

I am confused about the prophecy in the Cave of Prophecies

Is it about us? Or King/Prince because I kinda assume that this trial is for spirits and not us- since in this picture we can see most of the spirits are lying down and maybe (is dead?)

Since someone mentioned that the king/prince is similar to us but they came before us right? And the spirit is waiting for the one that can beat this trial (I may got it wrong-)

[brisk pumice]

I think it's the King/prince, since it shows a specific moment.

[hushed steeple]

Yeah! Unlike us, they came with the boat while us have to fly there

And we can see the elders that are still alive like physically- to guide the king/prince to Eden where they seem to ascend to becoming an elder

Ah my picture quality is bad-

[brisk pumice]

Yeah, and also they don't have a cape

[hushed steeple]

So wouldn't that mean that the prophecy already happened? Since we are reliving the spirits past and memories

[hushed steeple]

((Also, you can roughly see the silhouette of the Elders there-))

[brisk pumice]

Yeah I think the King/Prince did it first, and then we came along and could also do it

[hushed steeple]

Mhm maybe it gives us a hint that we might be related/similar to King/Prince (but not literally ofc)

And before people start to argue about this pic- and say that this might be our sky kid, we don't lead spirits in Eden. we save them and free them.

[hushed steeple]

But sometimes Prophecy can't be 100% true- so there's that

[fickle snow]

….

You tought you had heard the lat of me!

But you DIDNT

IM BACK to the LORE

[light minnow]

Okay so i was doing flight quests
I did not expect the place to get golden wastelanded
Dear lord this process happens fast
And there was a krill's light too, do the krill cause corruption beyond just eating light creatures?

[dense inlet]

I think krills do carry darkness that can infect and bring darkness to realms. Kind of like how a contaminated entity can bring contamination in a non-contaminated place. I don't have and haven't heard any canon information about krills doing that kind of thing. This is what I speculate

I think that quest when Flight got darkness is what happened in the Wind Paths when everything went crashing down

[light minnow]

I dunno it seemed to happen in quite real time to me
Wind paths never looked like you're being actively sent in the past when you enter it
It has all its spirits encased in statues like normal, post disaster
Then you progress the quests, restore light and you actively witness it going to honk at the end

The game does show you memories of the past
But it's always clearly a memory, not actually sending you straight into the past to act and fix it

[dusk zephyr]

I always thought it was darkness leaching out of the Enchantment shortcut, like in the present day, now that the wind paths were restored to their former glory.

[light minnow]

Yeah it did seem to leak out of that one hole
I'm still very impressed at how incredibly fast it went

[hushed steeple]

I will say! The Elder Manta starts to circle the sky like a Krill behavior

[south saddle]

for the southern hemisphere girlies

[edgy kernel]

ok silly question, the mask wasteland elder wears that you can also unlock, looks like a valley mask with a boat shape like the one for isle -

anyone ever have any theories as to both of those groups forming like an alliance against something in sky? against eden crystal or the group of soldiers who might have come from eden. ( something something, isle elder mask not on eden door )

[south saddle]

a few spirits in wasteland itself also have this mask and variations of it.. im not sure that it signifies an alliance so much as it might just denote a spirits role (what that might be, im not sure- something active i suppose)

while it could be a combination of isle+valley masks, it might also just look that way for conveniences sake since it’s a good combination of shapes

[edgy kernel]

maybe yeah, heh. the bottom of helmets quite often hinge on a shape like that

[south saddle]

yes yes

[keen shore]

it’s a whale! you see mostly soldiers with this mask and it seems to increase in complexity, possibly as a reflection of rank?

[grim horizon]

guys are obtaining shoes "lore-accurate" for skykids?

[edgy kernel]

oh that is very interesting, i had never noticed thats what the valley shape is based on

I had caught on for the others, like isle's boat, prairie's pots, and forest's power diamonds, but never got a good look at the face of a whale, heh.

[edgy kernel]

well the steward wears some, which are in a very similar style to the less detailed ones you might randomly see on base spirits, and some might think the steward was a sky kid, so its not too crazy to think heh. and there are outfits that come with shoes/boots that spirits share with sky kids, so i dont think its too out of the question
( the pattern on the legs i think is meant to be like the sandals/shoes we get this season, heh )

[leaden field]

Wait so that isn't shoes and only a pattern on the spirits?

[edgy kernel]

i dunno, i kinda think spirits are wearing those its just nowhere near as detailed

[grim horizon]

Ah k
Im asking this cuz the concept for my skid was that no shoes = vulnerability, and i kept with it for a pretty long time till i decided to buy the igc sandals from aviary shop (the short ones). those are in my closet rn, so at present my skykid is barefoot.
i have been wanting to get the boots from chuckling scout for a long time, and i didnt have enough candles when they came with some other assembly kids as a RETURNING SPIRIT (remember that this differs from TRAVELING SPIRITS in that returning spirits are based on a theme).
at this rate, however, i'd say that i am willing to accept that the 'vulnerable' side of my skykid should be rid of IF and WHEN i get those boots, bc it was a particular concept that i mightve held on to for too long. Not sure.
But yeah, was asking this due to that concept. Sorry for the long reply

[edgy kernel]

pattern comparison

[grim horizon]

I definitely think the spirits are wearing sandals/shoes. Theyre just not as detailed as the image u just sent of the cosmetic

[edgy kernel]

Im thinking TGC wanted to give us those sandals but wanted to give us something that would look really nice to wear

we haven't really gotten much as for the spirit's other clothes though, so maybe some day heh

( frantic stagehand is the closest i think. very similar shape and patterns )

[grim horizon]

Closest to what? 🧐

[edgy kernel]

ahh the outfit that spirit is wearing ^
i kinda want to fully dress up as a default spirit, heh

all the different base spirits wear some variation of that, or a couple other styles but we cant wear anything like that yet

[grim horizon]

Oohhh

[edgy kernel]

like this vault spirit has a very similar theme, but all parts of it are far longer

I also kinda notice the general shape also influences the look of the ultimate outfit from season of flight, with the separate top part there going just a bit over the shoulders. gonna take a look at the guide spirits real quick

ok i went and looked at the guides-
Assembly, Performance and Rhythm wear the same clothes, different from the regular style, which is neat
Flight wears something that is unique but is shaped kinda similarly
Dreams and Passage both wear something very unique, and both are obtainable
Revival Steward wears sky kid clothes instead!
Everyone else is either wearing a variation on the normal spirit's clothes to fit their shape better, or isn't a regular spirit at all

[ripe viper]

so this might already have been discussed but. has anyone noticed that when you see the shadow of your sky kid, your cape isn't included in it? Is it just a design thing, or lore related?

[ancient abyss]

My theory is that while the sky kids have physical bodies, the cape itself is constructed from pure light and therefore it doesn't cast a shadow

[rocky grove]

paper rolls? out of stone?

[sudden gust]

That might just be a texture thing

[merry plank]

So basically, we're here just for saving the spirits -?

[lucid bridge]

Yep

And making friends!

[nimble ingot]

It is just stone in the game.
I just assume the devs did not have textures for some items like paper/papyrus scrolls and books (or other odd objects).

[rocky grove]

actually, there's paper scrolls with paper textures with the same model inside building

[nimble ingot]

oh?

Then, perhaps an inconsistency bug?

[ancient abyss]

These ones might be parchment instead of paper

[scenic siren]

Some possible ways for sky kids to carry physical objects in my theory. Since their arms need to stretch for balance and wing need to flap.

[hushed steeple]

I thought we carry them from our back? Since our props and instruments- I will imagine it similar to C but just on our back

[dusk zephyr]

I think they mean mor like when you hold it in front of you.
the game has you hang your arms down with stuff like the moments camera.

[hushed steeple]

Ooh, okay I see that now

[subtle wave]

I think I know the reason why we "see" Krills.
Before Eden, the Krills are a hallucination from the overwhelming pressure of being the "Chosen One" and after Eden, people (such as me) are still afraid of Krills which could be due to the aftermath of Eden, since it's a very traumatic experience for our Skykid. On the outside, at least outside our screens, Eden is just a weekly thing to some and isn't too much, but your Skykids first few times (or even now!) going to Eden is just a weekly process of sacrificing, trauma, anxiety and depression. My Head canon is Skykids are very conscious of the fact that they die literally every week but they are on "autopilot" whilst doing Eden, and Veterans don't have to worry since they're already buried under burdens, and heaps of pressure, but they just accept it as a natural proccess. Krills suggest that depression and anxiety is a monster and it destroys us from the inside. The first time you get hit with it, it's suprising, but you can go on, of course, you're a little shocked but it's "nothing you can't handle". The more times you get krilled it's a representation of anxiety and depression and how hard it can hit when you realize what's happening, like how you realize how much wl you've lost to krills.

[merry plank]

When we die in Eden, we come back okay but who's the light children that we hug ?

[tulip vapor]

your innerself, who is gave up to live. as you encourage him to live again therefore you reborn

[obsidian inlet]

It is confirmed that daylight was a place of great agriculture in the sky lore. I have been thinking a lot about that and was wondering something.

Did the ancestors eat meat? Obviously they ate the crabs due to the bonfire in golden wasteland but like we're there other non light creatures they ate?

[light minnow]

When it comes to eden there's a bunch of possible interpretations, so i guess hanging out in this chat and seeing what interpretations exist is the best way to get an answer

[drifting ermine]

I believe that since we turn into a statue, this is probably a wl that other sky kids would give us. but thats just mine interpretation

[lucid bridge]

Imo it is the soul of the king

But it’s all up to interpretation

[lucid bridge]

They could eat mantas, maybe. They look like they’ve got some good meat on them. Fish, too?

The refugees grew mushrooms in the Forgotten Ark area. So they must’ve eaten mushrooms, too.

Those balls that “grandma” feeds us seem to be made out of some starchy material. A form of bread.

There’s probably more food that we don’t see because the Sky children don’t need to eat but the ancestors did.

[sharp latch]

the top two theories are it’s the king/prince or it’s a different skykid who gave up their light to save you like you saved the others

[slow sigil]

hullooooo, anyone know where the mural of tsadi beating up alef/resh is?

[cold sparrow]

the what

[plain fern]

What if we had a season where we could meet all the elders as when they were young or a child themselves 🤔

What If Sky Never Became Fully Dark and only Fragments Were Lost and Forgotten and the Light Children Brought the lands together

[native galleon]

it’s been removed but it used to exist apparently

It also shows only one elder figure for valley so take it with several grains of salt

[cold sparrow]

this looks like a misplaced decal that only shows part/s of the mural
so i dont think this is an elder beating up the prince, even tho that image is hilarious

[quartz wigeon]

Lore question, do sky kids look human under the masks or is it up for interpretation?

Cause I really wanna draw my skid but idk their anatomy

[brisk pumice]

They probably are just light under there, but it is up for interpretation.

[quartz wigeon]

Ooo alr

[dusk zephyr]

There's a maskless mask I suppose.

[brave patio]

Hi!!! I am here for the lore

[brave patio]

And I would say they look semi human but again up for interpretation

[brisk pumice]

What are calls in sky? Since most creatures seem to be able to do them, I thought that they might just be sound waves, but skykid calls regenerate light, so at least skykid calls have to be something a little different then sound waves.

[dusk zephyr]

(I mean, sound is energy too, just like light, so while it's a physical representation of the wave, it doesn't mean it can't be sound.)

[brisk pumice]

True! But then why do creatures like krill not recharge your light, since their calls seem to be pretty similar to ours

[dusk zephyr]

that's true. I guess it doesn't really make much sense in the context of the game to make that call the same as any other if you're just going to get eaten if you're that close to it. (Usually anyways I've been booped a lot instead.)
I need to check something as all my reference videos of Krill calls are old, and I want something on the recent patch, but the golden band of the Krill call is thicker even when the call is small (a similar sized call by a skykid doesn't have that thickness to the edge).

[sudden gust]

If krill calls are thicker, then perhaps it's related to the size of them? Skykids are quite small in comparison

[dusk zephyr]

That makes sense, I think the largest mantas are similar now that you bring that up,

[edgy kernel]

my theory has just been that those are visual representations of sound, as even the huge bells you can find in various places in sky can make those waves i think.

sky kids can see sound 👁️

[edgy kernel]

has anyone put these images together yet? I remember reading people talking about two embers in the sense of two time periods or two people ( like, the king and another, like the steward? ) But somehow i completely blanked it on all accounts and didn't even see the small little light creature with whoever that is. and i cant help but draw a sortof line straight towards something we're familiar with.
So my thought is maybe the two embers are that kid and that light creature.
Maybe they're the only person who befriends one in a world where they mistreat and use them as energy.

you can see the not so little anymore fella is bigger than the kid at this point, heh. Makes me think the series will be them growing up together in the world of sky and then, well... we know where things are headed

[vocal quarry]

I had a theory a while ago that two embers was gonna have a split between 2 protagonists, the king as a young boy growing into his role and the Hopeful Steward. I like to think that the two knew each other quite well, but with the events of the shattering splitting them apart. In one of the memories, you can see 2 kids holding one another

I like to think that the king is now trapped between eden and orbit, and the Hopeful Steward's spirit returns to sky to guide the player into saving the world and their old friend

[cold sparrow]

I just want to point out...
snoot

that is all

[edgy kernel]

boop

[brave patio]

🥺🥺

[native galleon]

:3

[lucid bridge]

Oh yeah that reminds me… as light creatures to the mantas/mantatees eat anything with their mouths or do they just use it for communication? I assumed light creatures got their light from the sun. Maybe they eat the skeletons of other animals. Maybe they eat some dark creatures like crabs?

[wooden spear]

Let me give my two cents. Sky kids are stars. Reasons why:
At the very beginning of the game when you first start out as a moth, the monologue says: "All are given breath by starlight. The first of us lived in joy that we would one day return to the stars."
Now, this "us" they mention. Who do you think it could be? The elders. The elders are the physical embodiment of the constellations!
But what about the spirits? I'm glad you asked because the spirits are fallen stars that have not returned to the rest of the stars as mentioned in the beginning monologue.
Now, not only that during the current season when unlocking the map shrine it said and I quote: "The stars were once united and our light was infinite. But we took our light for granted... Go forth child. Return your light to our fallen stars." What are we returning the light to? The SPIRITS
Now, onto the skykids. Since skykids are the ones returning the light to the spirits, it would only make sense that living skykids like us, the players, stars that are going through the cycle over and over again.
The whole game is centered around the story of life and death, and it could be the life and death of a star. There's more symbolism in it too.
||After we go through eden and we hug the light skykid to regain our light, it shows a cutscene with all the statues we saved having light "explode" from them, this could symbolize the big bang theory how stars explode when they've reached the end of their cycle||
Plus why would the game have the concept of constellations if it wasn't revolved around stars?

[pastel brook]

A "moth" is a new player. They have brown wings, they flap around uncontrollably, and they are drawn to flame!

[wooden spear]

we know, skybot.

[glossy oasis]

Yes sky kids are stars its not really a theory even when you click on constelations in home space spirits show up its supposed to represent that they are stars and after eden you literally go into space and in little prince quest he becomes one of the stars if im not mistaken

[robust flare]

"we are all one and one is us all"

[plain fern]

Where did the Elders Live before they became stuck and filled with darkness

[edgy kernel]

I wonder then what makes sky kids different from the ancestors, both of them being different fallen stars, in a way
maybe sky kids are from the stars, and form when they hit the ground, and the ancestor spirits became stars when they ascended into orbit

[wooden spear]

I'm glad you asked this because, the spirits are tied to the realms of sky until you go into orbit! The fallen stars would have to take after the actual stars (skykids) in a way.

[plain fern]

Where did Darkness Come from and How did it come to be?

[lucid bridge]

There was always darkness in the world, as a natural counterpart of the light. This is evidenced by the existence of naturally-occurring dark crystals in the ground and friendly crabs. When the ancients starting mining dark crystals and engineering them to absorb more and more light, they led to the deaths of light creatures and polluting the natural world with more darkness by-products. This caused an imbalance in the the ecosystem where darkness was more concentrated in areas than it was ever meant to be. This lead to things like the harmful rain in the Forest, the dark water in the Wasteland, the large darkness flowers, and the krills and aggressive crabs. Eventually, the elders built a massive dark crystal on top of Eden, but it was so powerful that it exploded and caused an apocalypse. The people of Sky never recovered, and the landscape is still struggling to.

It’s sort of like how, in real life, there was always CO2 in the atmosphere, but humans are producing so much of it that it is now destroying the planet’s ecosystems.

[plain fern]

When the Elders where younger how did they create the realms we know today? And where did they live?

Where do the Freed children of the light go?

[lucid bridge]

Freed children of the light go to Orbit with the player after completing Eden. Then they go into space as stars and give the player ascended candles.

[lucid bridge]

This isn’t known for certain. There is a mural in the Cave of Prophecy that depicts the gifts of Water, Air, Fire, and Earth given to the Forest, Valley, Wasteland, and Prairie elders respectively. So maybe they used those gifts to help rule and form their lands. It is up to speculation.

[light minnow]

Today i have just learned that small krill were a thing during the war
Small enough that they were able to be proprely fought and defeated (unlike the giant ones)
I wonder where those guys went

[agile nimbus]

Maybe they were eaten by the larger ones when the other prey (sky kids and such) ran out/became scarce

[light minnow]

I doubt it, the krill don't see to hunt anything that moves
Like for example they leave krebs alone
So i imagine they focus on light creatures

[brave patio]

I have a question about these orbs -

So they’re supposed to represent the red, orange, green, cyan, blue, and purple lights right? So why is there a yellow instead of an orange? Maybe I’m seeing it wrong but that doesn’t look orange to me

Did they change the lights orrr?

[plain fern]

Realms?

[brave patio]

We know that each realm probably doesn’t match up with a light given that the lights in realms in enchantment and various stages of the prophecy murals don’t really match up

[lucid bridge]

Headcanon - I think where this blank square is there was a plaque talking about the gods elders and their feats

[plain fern]

Maybe there is a secret inside of Sky??

[median onyx]

What do dark dragons originate from. Like what type of light creature or are they just conjured out of pure darkness

[brave patio]

I would assume corrupted light creature? Wait I think this is something that actually got confirmed in an interview let me find the picture

Here we go this - I don’t know what type of creature they were originally but I think The Two Embers will reveal this

In concept art for season of abyss, they are corrupted mantas

[edgy kernel]

in regards to that, these images to me seem like they're showing a kind of light creature that grew up and turned into krills. the head lamp part, while it looks like its a helmet, really interests me because I'm not sure if the creature is producing that light, or its being produced by the helmet, or if its even a helmet. and it also starts to look more chitinous, like a krill.

If you look at the creature's head in the concept art they showed off, it gets darker over time, so i wonder if that grew and formed on the creature's head.

I have a bit of a wild theory but - maybe light creatures are meant to die through a life cycle, but are made to live forever by cutting of their means to return to the light ( eden ) they may slowly grow older and more corrupted. ancestors used them and wouldn't let em go

ah, i see it now - https://youtu.be/aBQRCHusYyU
in the nintendo switch version release trailer we get a close up of that creature, and it is its mouth. it sorta looks like they're turning a bit into stone, like crabs look like

[dim token]

Do the quest givers have names other than "___ guide"?

[edgy kernel]

as far as like, name names i dont think we know much about any of that ingame. as for spirits not named _ guide, there is "The Rose" ( TLP ) and "Hopeful Steward" ( Revival )
even aurora i think is Aurora Guide

[sour phoenix]

no, its just Aurora, her name’s in capslock

[edgy kernel]

hmm maybe the wiki is off then i haven't been there in a bit

[lilac owl]

I was flying over the aviary today and saw this… does anyone know what that big dark square is in the distance?

[edgy kernel]

weird, i didnt see that when i flew over aviary the other day

[lilac owl]

I thought it looked really odd

[edgy kernel]

seems maybe something you're not meant to see LOL

[dreamy saddle]

my thoughts on it

[edgy kernel]

true, that'd probably make sense given the stone and gold look is pretty similar to a lot of ancestor architecture in general.

[dreamy saddle]

tho mantas do have that glowing(well, maybe glowing? it could glow perhaps?) dot so its possible the 'flashlight' here is built into the hood that's designed to mimic a manta appearance, keeping the creature blind (thus calm and controllable) and providing light to the path

or maybe it's like sky kids, how we can only have our eyes open while wearing a mask

[edgy kernel]

interesting, a comparison with that is that birds have an auto response to being in the dark to basically calm down and go into sleep mode. so maybe light creatures being quite bird related might have the same thing, heh

[dreamy saddle]

and assuming this is like an evolved version of the manatees we see in Peaks, we know they're skittish creatures who will move if we come near

[hushed steeple]

Is Eden considered a realm too? If so, I do wonder how big it is and the last pic is the altar (similar to Vault?)

[subtle wave]

When heading to Orbit, you can see pieces from other realms, like the large bell tower in the Flying Race, the Altars in Vault, ect... So chunks of the realms have come apart and my headcanon is Eden takes hours from the Skykids point of view (even though it's only a few minutes) when they are going through Eden. I like to think that there are parts of the realms that are "dark", meaning like it's "there" but it can be removed at any time as if it's vulnerable (like the things I mentioned, the bell tower in Valley, altars from Vault) and eventually they will be replaced, but we do see them whilst heading to Orbit.

[hushed steeple]

Ooh

[subtle wave]

Eden is technically a realm, since I think that the king (Resh) used to be a Skykid and Daleth (The Isle Elder) took Resh in Isle but the other elders were seeing how Resh could be corrupt and could do harm to the realms, but Daleth wasn't listening and was "exiled" and wasn't favoured upon the rest of the elders for not listening at all. I have a headcanon that the elders put a crystal on Eden to "absorb" the darkness (somebody else said this and I think that was a really good theory) and instead the crystal burst open, releasing shards and Resh got pulled into it unknowingly and then turned corrupt, wanting to escape this chamber he called out for help (at least, he tried) and Soldiers (the statues we see throughout the parts of Eden) went to try and help, but instead they realize that Resh was probably corrupt all along yet they couldn't step back and they probably didn't rebirth after Eden since we never see the statues "rebirth" they just stay there. On Shard days, shards would corrupt the place around us and Ascended candles were actually just winged light that was sacrificed and/or the souls of the people who went through Eden in the first place (not in a bad way, since it's honoring them). Shards and the places where they came were probably how they came to the path before Orbit (like the pictures @hushed steeple showed).

Thank you for reading my TED-Talk

Why did I write so much

[hushed steeple]

I thought Sky Bot pinned me- tho are we sure some of the statues are soldiers? It can be fellow citizens too

[subtle wave]

Hmm maybe, but we always see them there and they never "rebirth" but we always do, so maybe the soldiers hadn't willingly sacrificed themselves (like we do) and all fellow citizens rebirth too. The soldiers probably got consumed my darkness and corruption and we sacrifice our winged light, not become corrupted and swallowed by darkness.

[hushed steeple]

Ooh- then in theory the red shard in Eden works like a black hole? Absorbing light but at the same time since it's shatter it spewing out some of the shard at the same time?

[subtle wave]

Yesss! That's what I mean! But to be honest, any theory is fine and I'm not gonna put down any theories

[hushed steeple]

Ooh, tbh I am down with any theories xD it is fun to see people headcanon and theory

[subtle wave]

I love reading the stuff here! All the theories are so cool, they have thought, references, pictures! I love this place

[hushed steeple]

I do wonder about the animal theme masks in Sky

Are they crafted to contain animal spirits in them? In the season of passage, we see the outcast group aka the four spirits. We're tasked to do this quest/trial to tame their mask

Especially with the raccoon mask, the last mask quest. Does the passage guide craft them with the souls of the animals that represent the masks? Or it's related to the memory of the spirit animal since the symbol for Passage looks like a dream catcher

Maybe the passage guide uses animal dreams to make the masks?

[marsh bridge]

what is this star in prarie?

[dense inlet]

It's Evangeline from Disney's Princess and the Frog ||/j||

[obsidian inlet]

Is Aurora a god? Are they the megabird or like a separate divinity. If separate, what are they the god of?

[versed mirage]

In the cave of prohecy, the prince (or whatever we dub the name of the skykid at the center of a lot of stuff in prophecy), where is he in the final mural? I see images of something that looks like he should be in the center of the mural of Eden but mine is blank...

Where is it?

[hushed steeple]

To see it you need to interact with a lantern. Idk the word- but this lantern thingy on the floating rocks- you can see it

[hushed steeple]

Here's the lantern thingy

[hushed steeple]

And by interact- I mean light them up

[brave patio]

The intro says something along the lines of “we connected the seven realms with the power of starlight” so yeah probably

[maiden yoke]

grew up?

[lucid bridge]

I didn’t notice these before - the playing sticks of the Valley Elders is displayed near the entrance to Eden

Who are the missing elders from the Eden door?

[dusk zephyr]

just Isle

[lucid bridge]

The Isle Elder was present during the Shattering (elder crystal memory). Maybe they had nothing to do with the construction of Eden, but joined the rest in trying to stop the King.

[light minnow]

I'm not sure the others were trying to stop the king
In all the murals and everything there's not really conflict shown between the king and the other elders
That and also i doubt the king wanted the shattering, so trying to do something to prevent it isn't really stopping the king

[obsidian inlet]

Is Aurora a god? Are they the megabird or like a separate divinity. If separate, what are they the god of?

[tawdry copper]

Afaik there's no concrete evidence, but a personal headcanon of mine is that she's sort of a physical representation of Megabird

[lucid bridge]

I agree with @tawdry copper that the AURORA we see in Sky is a physical manifestation of the Light/Megabird, who is essentially god. Not to say the human musician Aurora is god in Sky; the Megabird is basically our god and its humanoid avatar is based off of and voiced by the real-life human singer Aurora.

Because Aurora helped work on the game (ending credits) so they decided to collaborate with her again in the Season of AURORA

Sort of makes me chuckle - imagine a god from an Earth religion coming down to perform in concerts. Heehee

Christian mythology already plays a big part in Sky lore - I mean, the mountain is called Eden, a reference to the Garden of Eden from Genesis. The reason why I’m saying Christian as opposed to Judeo-Christian or Abrahamic is because I feel as though the King story (avatar of god sent down in mortal form to guide mortals back to divinity) reflects the lore of Jesus a lot. But it’s like if Jesus failed. So a Tower of Babel/Garden of Eden/Failed-Messiah sort of story.
If I’m being really offensive to any Christians out there I apologize. I’m not Christian so I don’t mean to offend. I’m just trying to connect the lore to real-world influences (and maybe failing).

[lucid bridge]

I feel like the Tower of Babel-thing already happened when the elders fell from the Light and the realms were split/they ruled over all the realms separately, and the King came down, tried to ascend his kingdom into the Light and failed. And then the apocalypse occurred. And now the Sky kids are sent by the light to help guide the spirits back to Her

I’m blabbering lol

[hushed steeple]

It could aslo be a case of edan haveing a lot of archetectural similareties to other realms, especially seing that it was likely the capital of the old kingdom. They dont neceserally need to be the same things we sow in the other realms

[obsidian inlet]

Was the hidden forest always kinda a dark touched place? The hidden forest rain was polluted rain, but even before that was a thing it seems that crabs are naturally occurring there.

I also believe that in prophecies it was dangerous and few went through the hidden forest to the other realms. Though that could have also been said in passage, I forget. Was there just a lot of darkness/dark creatures there even before the pollution of man?

[hushed steeple]

Im not shure if Aurora is neceseraly Megabird in human form. It could mearly be an aspect of it, or like the avatars from Hindu mytholagy.

[tawdry copper]

Not necessarily a human form, per se, more of like a form of Megabird that's physical? Idk how to explain it

[hushed steeple]

No no, I perfectly understand😅
Didnt mean to talk bad about your theory or anything. I just think that it doesnt neceseraly need to whole of megabird thats manefesting into Aurora
My personal view for an in-canon interpretaton of Aurora is that there an aspect of The Light thats taken phisical form

[hushed steeple]

The Light ( Megabird) doesnt really seam to function as a classical god. It feels more like a living force of nature, the contiosness of light.
It is boath a place, and a force, and a being
Peaces of it split and come to earth, becomeing sky kinds and light creatures, and then eventually return to it when the phsicial form ends

In that way, Aurora could also be part of The Light, but a much bigger part then any other being we've seen, a full aspect of the whole
The voice of Megabird

[tawdry copper]

True. But I'm also thinking along the lines of like: Megabird may not be a god, per se, but due to its nature of being the thing that created the Light Creatures and everything, the people of Sky may worship it as a god. AURORA could be a part of Megabird in that she's a physical manifestation of said god

[hushed steeple]

That is true. Again, my point isnt that Aurora isnt directly conected to Megabird, but rather that she's probably not Megabird itself manefesting in the world of sky

personally I think there are some surfice level similareties between The Light, and the Hindu concept of the Brahman, where insted of a got, its is more like a universal contiosness and living totality of the universe, of which the souls of living beings are independent parts of that whole
The lore of sky takes a lot more inspiration then just Christianity and Judeism, even though they are preaty up there

[tawdry copper]

I've always heard Brahman referred to as a "supreme god", but tbf that sounds more accurate (and fits for Megabird in Sky)

[hushed steeple]

Well, this is where the definition of "god" gets complicated, as regretably most people have a very narrow idea of the concept and what it does and does not mean for.......reasons😅

[hushed steeple]

Speaking of religious/ mythical inspirations, another big on that Im suprised people dont talk about is Zoroasteism

The is where the concept of a war between darkness and light actually originates
In it, evel is represented as darkness and ignorance, while good is asociated with LIGHT and FIRE
and there is a focuse on doing good deads, thinking good thoughs as the key to affectng the cosmic balance of the world

You have to admit there is more then a passing influance on sky, especially seing how light and fire are deeply conected in the game😏

[severe flare]

I think there’s probably also a Buddhist influence on Sky as well with the cycle of reincarnation being such a prominent part of the game - the fact that sky kids are in a cycle of sacrificing their light to save the statues in Eden, then going to the Light themselves but being reborn into the world again instead of staying there so that they can save souls in Eden again, it could be compared to the concept of bodhisattvas which are beings who are enlightened but choose to delay entering nirvana so that they can save others

There are really a ton of religious influences on Sky, its themes are very spiritual

[lucid bridge]

This discussion is so cool

[hushed steeple]

Most deffinetly☺️
I just though that Buddhist and Tibeten influance was too obviace and well known , and I wanted to showcase some less talked about religios influances😅

[severe flare]

I’m glad you did, the connection to Zoroastrianism is fascinating!

[hushed steeple]

Thanks.
It felt so obvice a few months after starting the game, but I havent seen anybody mention it in any forum or discussion
People keep asking "why candles" or "why are sky kids fireproof"......this is why😅

[hushed steeple]

Also, you wouldent happen to know who the orange people in the disk hats are specificly?
I feel its something Tibet adjasent, but I dont want to be culturally insencetive😅

[native galleon]

Those are Buddhist monks

[hushed steeple]

Yeah I thoughs so too, but wasnt 100% shure since I havent seen that particular ceremonial cloathing before😅

[edgy kernel]

somewhat related to that image we do turn the clothes of the spirits orange when we give them ascended candles, heh

[hushed steeple]

Do we?🤔
Might need to pay closer atention to that

[edgy kernel]

seems like not just their clothes LOL

[hushed steeple]

Ooooo., that
I mean, thats not really there cloaths turning orange as it is there whole being.
Thats just flame specturm in effect with the low energy ghosts becomeing filled with light

[severe flare]

Yeah I’d assume those are Buddhist monks, but I’m not sure what the significance of the hats is either!

Also wait, where’s that image from actually? It looks like maybe visual design notes from the devs which I would be super interested in reading :D

[hushed steeple]

Its from Tom Zhao, a concept artist who worked on Sky and postend a loooot of the early concept work and ideas
Him and the "7 days of sky" that TGS posted on there 1 year aneversary are the main gold mines of concept art out there

With the new animation comeing out, I jokingly call them "the old testament" of sky lore😅

[hushed steeple]

Viksa, what are your thoughts on the passage mask? Or animal theme mask in general

[hushed steeple]

I dont know eather.
Although funny story.😅
When I originally sow them for the first time, I though that the hars were orange slice disks and not just pointed downwords
Becouse of that, I first though that they were actually Inca descendents, since the hat remended me of the sun god Inti crown🤣

[edgy kernel]

its also maybe a small but on track thing for color symbolism, the darkness flowers we burn are sorta on that far left blue/purple color. we burn them to make orange light, and sometimes butterflies pop out which are that bright slightly yellow light, heh.

[hushed steeple]

yeah, that tracks

[edgy kernel]

interesting to see these flowers compared to the older charts, taking the threatening spiked flower look and the blue color for darkness, but having the brighter perfect circles in the middle of em. maybe that would represent light being corrupted in a way

[hushed steeple]

well.....perhaps not so much corupted as.....trapped. Bubbling to the surfice and pulsating from within, but not quite being able to break free from the binding darkness until the core is burned

[edgy kernel]

yeah, that would make sense as they often have butterflies trapped too

[hushed steeple]

And dont forget the ocasional manta

[hushed steeple]

Honestly this is something that I am still strugling with

-One interpretation I had is that back in the day, there ware way more types of sky creatures, which included ones based on terestrial anilams, so stuff like monkey, bunny,dear.....masks are based on those creatures
However, we've gotten way more animal masks so far and also not only had we not seem any signs of terestrial sky animals in the trailes, so thats probably no true (or at least only partially so at best)

[hushed steeple]

I guess the most canon one is the passage mask? Since it shows the outcast spirits taming them (notable the raccoon mask, the last quest)

• Another posibility it that its a leftover from older versons of the game
  In the oldest possible versions we know about, the animal theame was way more comman, with what would eventually become the elders being animals. and sky kids haveing more conections to animals (and in some versions event turning into ones)

The spider! From Earth Trial spirit

Tho do you think they sacrifice an animal to make the mask? Like in Passage, the spirits have animalistic behavior similar to the real one

Or it's more like a dream related? looks like a dream catcher, maybe most animal masks contain dreams of an animal and based on that dream it causes them to be alive?

Sounds kinda farfetched ngl- but I do think it can be like a culture thing too

[hushed steeple]

Oh, speaking of earth trile, dont these masks designs kinda remind you of the prophasy masks
TGS recycling at work 😂

I mean that's good.. I wish they explain on why tho

Not why they recycle it but why the animal theme mask exist

[hushed steeple]

I know right😅
I dont think TGS is ever gonna fully explain everything, as personal interpretation and emotional storytelling is such a big part of the game
Still, hopefully the animation might shed some light on it.

Please, feed us with lore TGC

[hushed steeple]

Hoestly, unless they show a glimps of a terestial sky animal like a sky bunny or sky racoon, Im gonna asume for now that these masks dont represent animals that the ancesters would have encountered back in the day. Gonna have to wait and see

[soft timber]

This implies the Wasteland Elder is more dangerous than a bird being a menace to society (jokingly)

[hushed steeple]

Well, OLD Waistland Elder curtainly was🤣

[tawdry copper]

It's entirely possible that they represent animals the ancestors encountered that went extinct, or they could be representations of deities

[soft timber]

Lol like the chart though

[hushed steeple]

Sad- tho I do want to say in The Cave of Prophecy murals the beast we see that spirits wear is alive? Idk the word- but I like to imagine, sky animals used to be alive until shattering happen

Like they didn't escape- just flat out urghh out of sky realm

[soft timber]

This could be a possibility, since humans have done this before where we have things based off of creatures recently or long been extinct

[hushed steeple]

• That was the other thing I was planing to cover
  Maby not gods as much as...totem beasts

[tawdry copper]

That too

[hushed steeple]

Like maby these were symbolic representations or dream animals that were carved in masks

[obsidian inlet]

Evident by the skeletons unidentifiable as any currently known light creatures in golden wastes boneyard and the end of the forest, I think there are many light beasts we don't know of, maybe even dark beasts

A lot of the masks as well, it's indicative that these creatures did exist. Maybe as something light, dark, or in-between like the ancestors

[hushed steeple]

Or.....with light energy haveing a life of its own, perhaps the racoon and other masks were posesed by powefull light energy that had a life of its own like native american animal spitits

[soft timber]

Spirit animals come to mind with this, and some have records of otherwise unidentified animals of long ago, usually like a different kind of bear or dear

[hushed steeple]

peraps some wepresented extincs light creatures, while others like the spider might have been fictional creatures to the ancesters, symboic of natural forces

[obsidian inlet]

Ye, like the Phoenix that the Phoenix mask and cape is made after, or the dragon imagery with the new years stuff

[hushed steeple]

exactly
This could give more leyars and mystery to light energy and the devine higharchy, not just haveing megabird and the people and creatures, but forces in between that are boath partly inanimate and partly living

but that could just be fanfic teritory😅

[obsidian inlet]

I mean elements are noted aspects of light of we are going by the spell and prophecy lights. As well as the trial beasts. Light creatures seem revealed like the cow in Hinduism, so perhaps these creatures are like greater spirits representative of an idea?

The bearded turtle representative of patience and steady focus of water and so on with the prophecy trial masks

[hushed steeple]

quite true
And these creatures doesn neceseraly need to represent real sky animals
After all, the tutrle mask looks nothing like what the turtle actually looks like in sky

[obsidian inlet]

My main thing that gets me with the past is the ambiguity with some facts. It's no secret that the light creatures are revealed, that they used bells to help guide them through their journey to Eden, and so on. What I'm still stuck on is the hidden forest. In the two embers trailer and through a mission in season of passage the hidden forest is shown, even before the Eden incident" to have darker ties and to be so dangerous that many ancestors didn't go through it. They replied on the passage followers to navigate the forest.

My question with the forest is was it always a dark place? Was the canopy so dense that light had a hard time passing through, creating a breeding ground for crabs and other dark creatures?

[hushed steeple]

I just want to see more creatures of light in sky- that's why I wonder if the sky masks are somehow related to actual animals xD

But I do love this discussion so much

[hushed steeple]

one secund

[hushed steeple]

Idk much about that but in the last quest during the season of flight, most spirits in Hidden Forest end up residing in the wind path- I think at one point the spirits kinda got tired- and seeing what happened to the crying emote spirit- they decide to move somewhere close?

And safe from the rain in general- also, during the serow mask in the season of passage (I forgot what quest number it was-)

If you have a good phone you can see red glowing eyes if you get stranded away from the light- and serow is a type of goat and the red eyes are probably crebs

[hushed steeple]

looking at the trailers, the answer is probably, kinda😅

[hushed steeple]

On the one hand we do see this scene of the forest being bright and safe with no rain and happy children

[hushed steeple]

On the other we do have these two scenes that show crabs and posibly other dark creatures being a thing that lurk in the deepest parts of the forest, yet there's still being light and beauty in these places with people traveling through with not too much worry

[obsidian inlet]

Darkness was probably a well balanced thing before the pollution

[hushed steeple]

True
Im guessing there were probably some dangers in the forest back then, but nothing sereous. Kinda like wild animals

also no damaging rain

[hushed steeple]

also one of the spirits in forest looks like a hunter with a bow

[obsidian inlet]

So perhaps there were dark creatures that also left waste in their wake, similar to man? Hence making them dark as well?

Or is simply opposing light by consuming it considered dark

[hushed steeple]

think thats probably more likely.
Light creatures share the light between them, but dark creatures do not

[hushed steeple]

Honestly, this is a topic I dont really want to speculate too much in deapth right now, partially becouse there is a lot of information missing, and partially becouse we are 100% gonna get answers to this when the sky animation drops
Even another trailer would be super enlightening

[obsidian inlet]

That's fair ya, I'm too impatient, I'm trying to make a table top game for sky XD

[dusk zephyr]

a TTRPG?

[hushed steeple]

Ooooo, thats sound so cool😍😍😍

[obsidian inlet]

I've also been thinking of what main elements are part of sky. There is light, there is dark, there is the physical, and there is the esoteric like psychic magic. I'm wondering if there is any element I missed, maybe like fire for a sub light thing or lightning for a sub dark thing?

[hushed steeple]

If you need help with lore and timelines, I am at your desposal
Still, waiting for the animation would be good

[obsidian inlet]

Ye, I'm working on a ttrpg for sky. A personal project I've been on for a bit

[dusk zephyr]

That's cool. What's your design goals? Player objectives?
Homebrew system, or just a splatbook for an established system?

[obsidian inlet]

It's a homebrew system based off of a mix of Morkborg and pathfinder. Slight 5e inspo too

[hushed steeple]

Elements.....
Well, perhaps these might help

[hushed steeple]

Oh, thats interesting
Also, if your thinking of adding in stuff more sky tech and weaponry that isnt exactly in the game but have some basis in it

[tawdry copper]

Ngl those remind me of TOTK in a way

[obsidian inlet]

Was thinking of that ye, write now I'm writing for the age of the sky kingdoms founding

[hushed steeple]

Oh really
I do have a personal timeline
Its a bit late now, but maby we could descuss things more in deaph some other time

[obsidian inlet]

That would be cool 🙂

[hushed steeple]

But When it comes to sky history, offficially its devided into 3 periods

• Fire Era (from the begining to the descovery of darkstone refineing in Forest)
• Darkstone Era ( the golden age of sky kingdom>beginings of problems>war>edan diamond exploading
• Storm Era ( end of sky kingdom, ancesters slowly dieing out, while rageing storm and spread of darkness was at its peak. Eventually things start calming down, and when they finaly become relatively stable and peacefull the first sky kids in our era come

There is a lot more to descuss as far as what events took place in which parts of which periods and in what order of events...but thats a discusion for another time😅
Right now I really need to go to bed

[obsidian inlet]

It's gonna be pre to start of fire era

[hushed steeple]

I mean, technicly the fire era is as far as the begining as you can get

[hushed steeple]

The sky kingdom getting the look and form as it does is more a Darkstone era thing.
The fire era is more the down of ancester civilization, with conection to nature and megabird, and slowly figuring things out

[hushed steeple]

Out of cureosity how did you see the period that the game takes place in

[obsidian inlet]

They existed before the popularization of dark stone though, that is what I'm referring to, the game sets place at the time near the dawn of its discovery, the crest of the fire eras start

[hushed steeple]

Oh, I think you misunderstood😅
The descovery of darkstone marks the END of the Fire Era
What you are describing is basicly a fire era seting

[obsidian inlet]

Ah okay, I guess that's where we crossed wires. So ye I'm doing like mid to late fire era

[hushed steeple]

Honestly I really like this idea.
Although this is less documented then the Darkstone era, so we might need to wait a bit more to get a better idea of the order of events😅

[hushed steeple]

The best that I can tell, the realms of Valley, Waistland and Voult were preaty underdeveloped compared to what we see now in that period.
Its not 100% clear of they existed as proper realms at that point, but personally I kinda asume they did

• Valley being a colection of mountain villages and a few small towns
• Waistland were sailers and warriors in the wild frontear
• not too shure what Voult would have been in that time though🤔

At any case, places like Daylight priery and to a lesser extent Forest were more the heart of sky civilization in that era.
The first 3 realms are kinda more indicative of that period, with Forest the transition between the eras

[agile nimbus]

I think that the vault people were scholars who studied the creatures of the land and the stars above

[hushed steeple]

That could work☺️
Thanks @agile nimbus

[agile nimbus]

No problem

[hushed steeple]

Also, I know it was a Waistland season, but I always felt the arc must have had some kind of conection to voult.
So maby the first alchemists could be ancesters to the voult ancesters in this scenario😅

[agile nimbus]

That actually makes a lot of sense, since alchemy was pretty much science a long time ago. So the arc people could’ve been from the vault, but on a journey for more knowledge and supplies?

[sour olive]

What if Krills are just old Skytech, Abandoned, Maybe was tasked to guard a place that's why it just move on a specific pattern. Probably back then it was created to help Spirits, But something went wrong about the krill thus turning it to a Killing machine.

It has a characteristic of being a machine, The noises of something like stone moving around, The dust falling from the krill and those single ominous eye that turns red whenever it see something moving.

[dusk zephyr]

The mural section with the spirits on the ark, show them wearing headresses like some of the Vault spirits have

[hushed steeple]

I think it might be the other way around
The voult provably wasnt a thing in the early days. At best you could have temples and schools at the base of the great mountain.
So the descentents of the first alchemists probably made Voult as we know it today.

At any case, the last 3 realms were very likely unrecognisable compared to what we see today.

[agile nimbus]

That makes more sense

[hushed steeple]

Its been established that the conection between krill and machenes is a misconception
They are curupted light beings, not machenes

[hushed steeple]

Well there you go😁

Ok, going to bed
For real this time
😴😴😴😴

[novel marten]

Although I always wonder; if krills used to be light creatures, can they still reincarnate? It seems like no, but what do I know

[lucid bridge]

Krills can eat other krills. We see the Abyssal krill eat an underwater krill.

Quest 4 of the Season of Abyss quests, I believe.

[hushed steeple]

Wait really?? I thought they were vibing when the door open-

[severe flare]

I imagine krills wouldn’t be able to go to the Light and reincarnate anymore unless they were cured of their corruption somehow

[hushed steeple]

||Aurora blasting cure for me while sky kids start emoting to cure corruption||

[subtle wave]

About the animal masks, what if they represent the spirits the creator made friends with along the way? Personally, I like to believe that the elders created the "basic" masks, like the ones we see the constellations but the other spirits (basically the ts) crafted and/or used natural materials to represent their personality or someone else's. Like for the animal masks, I know there will be a lot of ts who don't have animal masks but I think they had been trying to represent culture(?). Coming back to the animal masks, we see that they can possibly represent people. The Spider mask, spiders are delicate, making their own webs, yet they are sharp and can possibly bite you if you are aggressive to them. The Rabbit mask, rabbits are mainly silly, timid, shy, curious and friendly.

But if I'm being honest, I'm probably over-thinking this and there's a chance the real lore is spirits just wanna be stylish and cool. In conclusion, I have no idea what I'm doing

[hushed steeple]

We just talked about animal theme masks! You can check it here if you want

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[subtle wave]

I am replying to this wayyyyyy too late but the King (Resh) got corrupt when entering Eden, since Eden was the main realm and the Isle Elder took Resh into care in the first place, the Isle Elder was exiled. (They actually probably got exiled when Resh was taken into Isle's care) but Isle still helped but that's probably why they're not on the Eden Gate. About the Valley Twins' playing bats at the Eden Entrance, the Elders were probably there to help with the corruption and the twins genuinely wanted to help, and since they bring their playing bats everywhere, we can judge that they really wanted to help.

[lucid bridge]

Where did you get that the Isle Elder was exiled? 👀

[subtle wave]

To be honest, it all adds up. Them not being on the Eden gate, the other realms being energetic and lively, even Golden Wasteland. Isle is kinda dull, and his introduction (the cutscene) with us is kind of gentle like the Pararie(?) Elder's cutscene, but it's got a hint of sadness like the Isle Elder has been exiled, alone and is probably forming genuine hope that Eden can be rid of, since they know how it feels to fail.

But it's just one of my head canons so it's not real lore, but I see many people outside of Discord think the same but idk

[hushed steeple]

I think the elder for the Isle of Dawn is too old to do their job (poor Pepaw Dawn)

I mean- even in their prime they still look old compared to the other elders

They still do their job as an elder but they are more like guides who show spirits and sky kids the way to the other realm- which makes sense since the Isle of Dawn is the beginning of the realm

I imagine the isle elder as a kind grandpa who meets you and always greets you while giving their blessing for your travels

Also, one of the shattering memories, Isle Elder is present with the rest of the elders

Also, my depiction of why the Isle Elder isn't present at the door (not canon)

[hushed steeple]

Well no, thats not possible.

The thing is, in order to reincarnate, a light creature needs to shed its phisical form and return its light ( its soul) back to The Light ( Megabird)
After some time this light is able to reinbody itself on earth into a new creature.

The problem with krill and other dark beings is that the light within them is trapped. The light that is eaten by a dark plant or krill is basicly removed from cyrculation, inprisoned in bodyes who hunger but are never satesfied.
While we are able to burn the dark goo that makes up dark plants, we can do nothing to the crystalized body's of the krill.

[hushed steeple]

Personally I never sow it as him being exiled or anything like that. I see it more as him being very old fashioned and becomeing disilusioned with how things were heading in sky sociaty.

Timeline wise I imagine that the edan gate and Edan castle was built at the pinicle of sky civilization, right before the cracks in the system were begining to get noticed.
At that time boath Isle and Waistland were green and beautifull realms, and not the deserts we see today

Its possible that at that time all the Elders were proud of the prosperety of there kingdom and the advancements of darkstone technology, and were in agreement with the king to build the great capital of there civilization in Edan.
All....exept for Isle Elder that is😅
He probably felt to old to deal with all the new politics of the kingdom, and lamented that the people of sky had moved away from there roots and become so over reliant on darkstone.
So with the only one not on board with the direction the kingdom was going, he was not placed on the dores of edan.

After that Isle of down probably didnt have too much influance and say on major decisions in the kingdom, and was moatly doing its own thing.
Of course, when the war in sky got to crazy, the Isle Elder probably got involved, and at the end he and all the other Elders were present at edan on that feitfull day when the Edan diamond went nuclear

[slate pawn]

yep i think so too about that it not that isle elder was exiled it never come into my mind

isle elder is ferryman ancestor that what tgc said so isle is a place where all the soul gather before they enter the skydom frim what tgc said is his job to guide those soul to reach the pararie

[hushed steeple]

I felt bad for Pepaw- and seeing how his face got shattered was horrifying

[slate pawn]

i guess he was the closely to the darkstone then other 6 elder

[dreamy saddle]

I kinda figure that regardless if he was exiled or not, the reason he’s not on the gate is because he got too damaged/hurt in the Shattering to be able to contribute to sealing away the storm.

[lucid bridge]

I like that theory

[split ice]

hullo!! i want to get to know sky lore more but i dunno where to start,, is there perhaps a doc where things are written down or somethin else ? .w .

[severe flare]

this is a great place to start! https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Amity206/Sky_Lore_Theories

[split ice]

Thanks so much!! :D

[agile nimbus]

I was wondering, how do the sky kids survive the fall to the isle? Are they just really durable?

[dusk zephyr]

The fall to the isle? isn't that just the same as the standard rebirth scene?
They should just be a star and then form a body after they hit the ground.
(though you also can't deny that sky kids haven't hit the ground pretty hard in flight before either.)

[agile nimbus]

Do they not get concussions? Are they all okay? No fractured skulls?

[dusk zephyr]

That assumes an anatomy similar to human children, though we really can't say for sure if that's the case or not.
since again, the rebirth cutscene shows them form a body from the starlight.
Apparently in beta, hitting walls or the ground too hard used to cause them to lose WL, but as you know that isn't the case anymore.

[agile nimbus]

Hm, so they’re just really durable

[severe flare]

Yeah, I don't think sky kids have normal human anatomy, I especially don't imagine them having bones of any kind

[tawdry copper]

That's what I thought too, they definitely ain't human. Especially considering they form crystals on their bodies when damaged and turn to stone when they die

[sudden gust]

I kind of just imagine them looking the same as winged light on the inside and then having a stone shell on the outside

[slow sigil]

how did you get those??

[dusk zephyr]

One of the devs has the concept art posted on their website
https://www.tomzhao.com/sky-all

[clear inlet]

Is this a stretch or does the Pleading Child resemble the Warsaw Ghetto Boy?

[cold sparrow]

it's a newsboy cap style hat that was very popular then
I don't think the pleading child was made to explicitly resemble this kid, but it's certainly meant to evoke that image of a poor orphan boy from those times
I mean, if you just google '1920s street kid', you get many other, similar looks

[marsh bridge]

game files

[marsh bridge]

not in the concept art

[charred willow]

I feel like it's definitely been talked about before, but what do we make of the sky kids third eye?

[severe flare]

Third eyes are generally symbolic of higher consciousness/enlightenment, which makes sense with Sky’s spiritual themes - maybe it’s a representation of the sky kids’ close connection to the Light? I’ve also seen some people bring up the idea that sky kids can literally see sound considering we see visual representations of a lot of noises in the game like calls/bells/etc, so maybe the third eye is what allows them to see those things

[dense inlet]

There's a third eye? Just wondering

[charred willow]

These bad boys

[hushed steeple]

Ngl I always cover my forehead- and it felt weird seeing the third eye on my sky kid chara

[lucid bridge]

No fall damage. In addition to capes slowing our descent speed, I think sky kids are also made out of stone.

[slate pawn]

imagine the king shooting spear at us while climbing the eden

[hushed steeple]

There's A GIANT BLACK THINGY ON THE LEFT, A MEGA KRILL

[granite elk]

imagine a season dedicated to the goal of meeting the king

[lucid bridge]

I think it’s interesting that they changed the end of the story to be not a boss fight but instead a friendship fight. I like the final result better.

[lucid bridge]

Speaking of what could have been, imagine if we only got our “third eye” after completing orbit at least once.

[arctic hornet]

Hey skykids, I just wanted to ask something

Do you guys know the architecture/culture that sky was based/inspired from? Everytime I go to valley or go in one of the temples, I always ask myself about it. It seems to me, it's mostly inspired by south asian culture I assume? I want to know more about the art direction that sky took to get their stuff really good

[subtle wave]

Hmmm. If you go to Grandma's via the treehouse, you'll see in geographically makes no sense. You go through the square-ish door on the left and you appear through the right? What? You're at the Treehouse and somehow the Assembly Guide made a confusing and geographically-incorrect tunnel from a low surface to a literal highly-elevated surface in a mini Treehouse like what

[inland cliff]

don't let urself be gaslight by the map shrine that is more confusing than the tokio subway system, it most certainly is intentionally incorrect just so the map can be shaped into a light symbol

[subtle wave]

TGC loves to release lore that's not even canon and then gaslight us, "You really thought? Here's the real deal."

[inland cliff]

TGC: "They khow too much, we have to take action"

[subtle wave]

"WE HAVE TO CONFIRM LITTLE THEORIES THAT NO ONE HAS EVER SEEN! THEY'RE GETTING TOO POWERFUL!"

[inland cliff]

"Oh your little theory seems convincing, time to discard that with a new update! And you think YOU were the ones in charge"

[inland cliff]

There's also a huge influence in Buddhist that should have been brought out and it's season of gratitude, the emotes and cosmetics are all from the culture

[edgy kernel]

Thats an interesting connection to draw, though something i do wonder about a lot are how there are many masks without the third eye in them, and then some masks with darkstone crystals in the spot instead of the white crystals. And some with darkstone slots missing the darkstone it was meant to have.

[hushed steeple]

Now it could be debated what the body's of sky children in the curent cannon are exactly made of, but in the old concept art, it is directly stated that the body's of the ancesters and the bone's of sky creatures are made of a version of charcoal.

Personally I think this makes a lot of sence of sence. Light is directly conected with fire in this world, and it makes for a good paralel where charchole feeds and maintains fire just like our own body's protect and contain the flame of light within us

Ngl, I do wish to see the whale light up like krill-

[hushed steeple]

Light up?
You mean like in this concept art peace?

Yeppo

[hushed steeple]

Yeah, me too. Hope TGS hits this with the recycle stick eventually.
Also this original whale concept is HUUUUUUGE

Yessss! We need more whale action!

GET ON THAT TGS

Ngl I would love to see some spirit hunt whale too- maybe it can be an indication of that giant skeleton in G.W.

And suddenly the Krill came out of nowhere since spirit hunt that giant whale and decided to gnaw the ded whale body

[hushed steeple]

That could make for an awsome memory.

[hushed steeple]

Wait, I got it
Waistland collab season with..

( i just spent 5 streight minutes figuring out how to write this whales name and not get censore blocked🤣🤣)

[hushed steeple]

Oml xDD but yesss tho- we technically get swallowed by our own Moby. D aka monster abyss

[hushed steeple]

True, through this would be more a crew of bad ancesters hunting a whale

We need some angst and more lore!

And that took a while to send, thanks to slow data

[nimble ingot]

welcome to my world lol
I'd call it Chales Dickenson's whale XD

[agile nimbus]

That one big white whale from that old book

[drifting ermine]

does anyone know if that says anything or is it possible for me to uncode this?

[hushed steeple]

You shure about that 😅

[hushed steeple]

Much smarter people then you and me have tried and failed to decode this😅

There was one person who managed to create a google dock showing all the letters found on masks, objects and the Voult cubes.
Unfortunatly without knowing before hand what something says its hard do desifre the actual script ( that is asumeing if they mean amything at all😅)

[drifting ermine]

(':

[brave patio]

WHOA SOMEONE IS SHARING THE BLOG I WROTE!????? AAAAAAAAAA

You all are discussing some really good theories so I’m going to have to update that blog soon!

[nimble ingot]

That has been a debate for a while.
To my knowledge there has not been an official translation.

I speculate that TGC may have at one point considered an encrypted language (seen in concept art for names of characters written in what I call Skyscript (remeniscent to sanscript).
And furthermore possibly abandoned this idea seeing that particular script has seemingly not made it to the live game. And thus implies there is a meaning, but is intentionally left up to the player's interpretation.

Although as a side not, the blurred script in the vault cut scene mural are similar to that skyscript.

[nimble ingot]

Oh.
I stand corrected.
My bad and thanks for letting me know.

[hushed steeple]

For shure
Best guess is that its bottom to top

[hushed steeple]

I agree.
It is a shame though😅. Would be interesting if there was a functional sky script like how it was possibly hinted in the old cobcept art, but I guess it is what it is😅

[nimble ingot]

It would be like the Undertale Gaster font. But with more diamonds lol

[hushed steeple]

Hopefully one day they recycle this concept and actually make the a sky script

[hushed steeple]

Wait, your the one that made that blog
Im inpressed☺️

[nimble ingot]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message
This legendary observation and investigation about the font on the elder's head.

#lore-discussion-spoilers message
Also this alphabet.

[hushed steeple]

Wait, I've seen the first three, but I didnt realise the concept art alphabet was desefred

[brave patio]

Yes!!! And thank you I put many hours into it

[nimble ingot]

I did say it was a long running debate lol.

[hushed steeple]

It really shows. Its really well done☺️
I have been thinking of doing something similar for vary long time, but I was eather too lazy or was hesitent to descuss stuff that we have limited data for

[dreamy saddle]

Your blog is literally my favorite thing omg 😭 so thankful for the time you’ve spent on it!

[brave patio]

Wwwwwww thank you?!!!?? Aaaa thank you so much 🥹

[grim horizon]

QUICK QUESTION
i know that us skykids possess a glowing diamond in between the eyes of our masks but i also noticed this spirit had an orange diamond instead that seems to cover it. Actually, im not even sure if they do have that glowy thing at all. Are there other spirits that possess this orange diamond feature? (That look exactly like this spirits mask)

[dusk zephyr]

It may be quicker to look at the masks page on the wiki, though I believe that is Hide n Seek Pioneer, whose chibi mask does have the third eye light despite the spirit lacking it.
https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/Masks
At a glance, the Belonging spirits and Enchantment Spirits that offer masks have similar "painted" eyes.
Anxious Angler and Bumbling Boatswain from Abyss have a hole in their masks where the eye would be, and Ceasing Commadore has a light in that spot (which I believe other players have proposed it to be embeded darkstone).
Bereft Veteran and Reassuring Ranger have the same third eye light as well.

[lucid bridge]

Do the passages actually translate to anything? Or is it just aesthetic gibberish?

[nimble ingot]

Sadly, I dont know.
To my knowledge, there is no simple way to translate it.
Nor is there a translation that I am aware of.

[fickle snow]

!krill

[lucid bridge]

[hushed steeple]

PLOT TWIST: the glowing diamonds are third eyes ||/hj||

[grim horizon]

was thinking the same but had seen someone mention a third eye theory but idk

[hushed steeple]

Honestly even though it's pretty unlikely it's a really interesting concept

[high bison]

Any links to lore docs?

[void wharf]

So uhhh
It's been in my mind ever since I accompanied my friend in the most recent shard quest
That what if...
The red diamond in Eden is actually sentient
And we are seeing the memories of that broken shard in the quests
What if it's a hivemind?
Hivemind is defined as
"a unified consciousness or intelligence formed by a number of alien individuals, the resulting consciousness typically exerting control over its constituent members"
The blue diamonds reminds me of the blue crystals seen in Disney's Atlantis : The lost empire

Atlantis was an advanced civilization like sky running on blue crystal like things
And if I remember correctly the the big blue crystal chose a host from the royal family

Just a neat but a very creepy thing I thought during the shard quest

[hushed steeple]

Its a preaty interesting theory.
If you think about it, life and light are deeply linked in this world.
Most of the time it acts as just energy, but when more consentrated and structured it gives rise to contiosness.
The souls of sky kids, ancesters and light creatures are just light but super dense and structured, and then of course you have the origin of all light ( Megabird) which is kinda like a living force of nature.
So it would make sence that the greatest darkstone construction ever made, deapite it being compleatly artefucial, would still have some level of contiosness simply as a consequence of all that light being used to make it

[hushed steeple]

However I wouldent really call it "sentient", or think "hive mind" would be the best way to describe it.
The diamond doesnt seam to be able to make choices or reflect like the great crystal in Atlantis, but rather is more driven by an overwhelming emotion and singleminded drive.

[void wharf]

mhm maybe you are right...

[hushed steeple]

That seams to be a theme of darkness in general. Where light is all about interconectivety, free will and experiance, darkness is about seperation, close mindidness and giving in to base instincts

Even if the diamond does have the potential of sentience, its nature would make it act more like a machene then a human ( for lack of a better word😅)

[hushed steeple]

Sorry for ruening your theory like that😅

[hushed steeple]

If its any consilation, I think it might have been possible theoreticly posible for the edan diamond to eventually develope into something like the great crystal from Atlantis, but that would have required a LOOOOT of thing not going wrong that were inevitable given the direction things were going back then

[void wharf]

It's alright!
Although I really like this headcanon of mine

[hushed steeple]

Thats great☺️
Its deffinetly an interesting headcanon

[hushed steeple]

Also, on the subject of Atlantis
Sky deffinetly took inspiration from that movie, given the whole theme of crystals being the basis for there entire civilization. In the old concept art there were even more similareties

[hushed steeple]

In the old concept art, there were even more inspirations they didnt use😅

[void wharf]

Woah
These are so cool
So many connections

[hushed steeple]

BUUUUT😅

[light minnow]

Animal buildings

[hushed steeple]

The biggest inspiration for sky is the thing thats also the main inspuration for the lore of Atlantis ( as well as many other story's similar to it)
And thats Laputa:Castle in the sky

[void wharf]

I TOTALLY FORGOT ABOUT LAPUTA

[hushed steeple]

Laputa also has many key thematic similareties to sky, with the cyclical nature of the world, with things starting simple, growing over reliant in there crystal power, domming there whole civilization by it, and things returning to nature and building a better world from the ashes

[void wharf]

now that we mention Laputa
The legend of Zelda : skyward sword also took massive inspiration from Laputa

Also, there are blue crystal like things which have a control over time and used as a power source to run various advanced technology made by the sheikah

[hushed steeple]

Exactly☺️
There all inspired by miyazakis work

[void wharf]

Timeshift stone technology was used to run the lanayru mining facility which lies abundant in the current time skyward sword takes place in

[void wharf]

Honestly I am a big studio Ghibli fan so I find it interesting to draw out the comparisons between my two favourite things

[hushed steeple]

Sky lore goes brrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[hushed steeple]

There is a lot to compare if you know where to look.
Its boath in theme as well as estheric

[brave patio]

Shameless self promotion of my Sky lore blog if you haven’t seen it already: https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Amity206/Sky_Lore_Theories (it’s got links to my sources at the end!!)

[brave patio]

Okay this is a really interesting idea!! Megabird, the goddess of light, seems to be almost a “hive mind” of gathering of all the light, so it makes sense that there would be something comparable for darkness (maybe a darkness god as a counterpart to megabird?)

[brave patio]

Sky and Ghibli collab season when 👀👀👀

[hushed steeple]

Hey, @brave patio, you here?
Wondering if we can do a bit of lore descusion reguarding your "shameless self promotion"😅

[brave patio]

Absolutely!

[hushed steeple]

So, the first on is more of my aproach to the devision of sky hystory

[brave patio]

(Also feel free to point out flaws in my theories if you spot any)

[warped finch]

In the mask?

[hushed steeple]

I like to put the 3 main era's of sky history is one larger period called "The years of the Elders ( or the elder days"
Before the birth of the ancestor race, that period would be "The years of the stars"
And the awakening of the first new childern in sky marks the end of the Storm era, and the start of the "Years of the children"

[void wharf]

Interesting...

[hushed steeple]

This one honestly doesnt have anything to do with flow's in the theory, just wanted to see what you think, as its something I made up😅

[brave patio]

Yeah I’ve been using the eras presented in the concept timeline but I really like your idea!

[warped finch]

A few days ago.. I just rewatch,Lisa MV,money.. And i saw her shoes,enough similar to Yeti Hermit shoes.. And that get me so lmao

[hushed steeple]

not saying you should use it, just wanted your opinion😅
Although I will say Im not shure if its right haveing the era we live in as part of the "Storm era". Thats the one thing Im not shure about in the timeline you made

[brave patio]

I have that as post storm era

[hushed steeple]

well yes, but the thing is the storm feels kinda like an era on to itself. The centuries long period when the devestation of the effects of the storm was at its worst before calming down might not have been as devoid of hystory as we might have thought.
After all, the ancester civilization wasnt wiped out over night when the stars fell and the Edan diamond detonated

[lucid bridge]

The vault reminds me of a bunker. Like the Svalbard Global Seed Vault but for knowledge/memories.

[hushed steeple]

Now I might be compleatly wrong about this, so pleese corect me if you think Im talking nonsence, but there are probably a lot of inportant events that would have taken place in this period
The Voult realm for one likely survived a good long time in this period, existing in what is basicly a bomb shelter and traing to wait out the endof the storm.

[brave patio]

Yeah I think you’re right! After the storm would have been really difficult for the survivors

[hushed steeple]

Difficult, but not compleatly inpossible
The Abyss is another one that feels like it takes place dureing the early storm age
The abyss itself feels way too advanced and complex to have been built too long before the war, and it it feels like it had been abandoned for a long time before the scavangers came across it
The abyss spirits themselfs feel like ancesters who are living in a post apocaliptic world. Sailing to far of areas and salvaging what they can

[brave patio]

Yeah!! I feel like it was originally a facility for darkstone testing on mantas but the abyss spirits explored it long after it had been abandoned

[hushed steeple]

Preciselly
The Abyss was likely a kind of next gen darstone facilty
Inovating, experimenting, and pushing the limits of darkstone refinery and crystal production

[brisk pumice]

How did the ancestors travel between realms before darkstone, since there are huge gaps between them without any way to travel but flying or boats? Did they use mantas before that?

[brave patio]

I’ve got some REALLY cool season of abyss concept art I found in my blog

[brave patio]

In the trailers/teasers for Sky: The Two Embers, they use mantas yeah! The kid rides on a big manta creature (some people have suggested that it’s actually a grown up manatee which sounds possible! As it’s got some differences with the in game mantas)

[hushed steeple]

But yeah, I way I see it

• Early Storm era would be the time that abyss season and posibly a lot of other inportant events happened with the final days of the crumbling sky civilization
• Middle storm era was when you have Voult as the last refuge of the ancester race, and slowly faiding
• Late Storm era was when you have no more ancesters, but the world is slowly calming down and getring better

[lucid bridge]

That makes me imagine a story from the Middle Storm Period, where the Remembrance Guide only has spirits for friends. They slowly die and barely even notice when they become a spirit themselves, because spirits were all they had left.

[hushed steeple]

Well Voult does have a graveyard with one of the spirits shown preforming some kind of rite

Probably one of the last living ancesters doing his duty

[brave patio]

OH YEAH - maybe that area was like the catacombs for scholars who had passed away?

Maybe as the storm continued they had to bury the survivors

AND NOO THATS SO SAD

[hushed steeple]

I know right😭😭😭😭

[hushed steeple]

Of course you cant really expect things to not be tragic in Voult, seing as the realm is symbolic of Night, old age, and the post apocalyps

[brave patio]

The whole story of Sky is so sad when you think about it 🥲

[hushed steeple]

but its also about fiding hope in that sadness, and striving for better days

[hushed steeple]

Also, when it comes to the realms and timelines, I think the order of the realms can be used to interprete the progression of sky history
Obviacely thats the whole point, as one of the 3 pillers of sky design is the progression of civilization😅, but I was also talking about in universe

[distant turtle]

I’m getting the sense that some of the ancestor people were destroyed but some of them lingered and became spirits more slowly by “fading away”.

[hushed steeple]

The way I see it, going from Isle to Voult each realm takes turns being the most advanced, influantial and most powerful in the kingdom
With Isle its becouse its the first, and Voult since it was the only one of the later realms not affected by the war, and later the last realm that really functioned dureing the storm era

[hushed steeple]

Possible
All the spirits we find do also have body's we light or are near a gravestone, so that might also be a factor

[distant turtle]

It would be cool if they had incorporated Remembrance guide into Season of Revival to help restore the village with memories

[split ice]

That seems reasonable, because the people were probably migrating upwards towards the light after the prophercies
Thats my interpretation ofc

and some of them probably lived during the same era, i think post war, when it was all peaceful. For example during season if performance we see the guide reconnect with their sibling too

[distant turtle]

I get that sense from seasons like Assembly, where the guide is returning to a long abandoned treehouse to rebuild, that the story takes place in part when they are already spirits.

https://youtu.be/Tq0hZMlJDBU?si=0WasSHi9qtVNpaFC

[hushed steeple]

Well theres probably more then that.
This probably also has something to do with sky civilization starting out in Isle of Down, so as they spread out each subsequent realm would have been a more distant frontear, distant from the heart of sky civilization, and as such much less developed and populated. Yet as the ages past each realm also used the knowlige of the priveous realms to make itself even begger and grander

[distant turtle]

And then seasons like Remembrance I guess they survived and entered Vault as survivors but then became spirits anyway by fading away. Maybe Abyss too.

One question I think Two Embers might be able to answer is whether the ancestors when they were alive could stand in fire and not burn.

[hushed steeple]

that is why match can not come soon enough for me🤣
Although lookng at the second teaser and how one of the ancesaters was able to manipulate light, Im on the side of them not getting burned for now

[warm dagger]

Hey guys how tall do you think skykids would be🧍‍♂️ suddenly have this question in my head and i have no idea where it came from

[agile nimbus]

Hmmm, anywhere from 2-5 ft tall

[wheat cypress]

This symbol on the wasteland boat represents the green earth light, but I have just stumbled across this same symbol in Toki Pona. Any idea where the symbol comes from originally?? Please ping if responding. Thank you

[sly portal]

Maybe it's the Air element symbol, but it may be wrong

[wheat cypress]

I actually did a paper on this.... here's some answers teehee

[warm dagger]

Thanks
Now i can imagine grabbing my skykid's head then throw them off the 10th floor

[lucid bridge]

I think spirits are the memories of ancestors trapped/held in light, rather than whole beings

Maybe they are part of an ancestor’s soul, and that is why they must be guided back to the light

I was wondering because if the lightseeker spirits are grown-up versions of the assembly spirits, then why would one person show up in two different places at two different points in their life?

Unless the assembly spirits are just inspired by/apprentices of the lightseeker spirits and this are different people.

[tawdry copper]

I was gonna say, how are the Lightseekers spirits and the Assembly spirits the same people?

[lucid bridge]

Another thing to wonder is, are the spirits people portrayed at just a certain moment of their lives (just a memory) or are they the people as they died (death memory)? I find that last scenario hard to believe considering some of the emotes.

I think they might be memories that retain a piece of an ancestor’s soul. That would make sense why the Megabird wants them returned to Orbit.

“We are our memories”

[tawdry copper]

The last scenario could fit with some of them, like Fainting Warrior, their memory could very well be their last moments alive since we see them fainting

[trim wren]

I think heard somewhere that the assembly spirits were children of the lightseekers spirits i dont know if its true or not tho

[lucid bridge]

Unless you’ve got a source I’m just gonna assume that’s a theory… but it’s a cool one

[trim wren]

Yeah it was a bit ago😭

But yeah it’s still a cool theory

[tawdry copper]

That makes more sense than them being the same people tbh

[lucid bridge]

I like the idea that they are the same people. Even tho it messes up the whole “spirits are independent people” thing. It’s cool to think of who those children grew up to be. But the more I think about it, it would be nice for those kids to have some parents looking after them

But then, what would that mean? They all live in the Forest and their parents go out to different realms? 🫠

[inland cliff]

that's why it was believed that the lightseekers are the assemblys caretakers, hence the cosmetics being similar and the hidden forest theme. There's still many loopholes im not invested enough to figure it out, like how the assembly guide found the treehouse base with an already marked assemply symbol/pendent flag while they look all concerned

[edgy kernel]

That ones always such a wild memory to see, them clearly injured/dying right there, and then sky kids mimic the faint in a cartoonish way including a sound effect LOL

[light minnow]

I remember my first time seeing that memory i was sad because i really just saw a spirit's death right in front of me
Then i heard the anvil noise from the sky kid and no more sad

[agile nimbus]

I don’t think the skids realize that the guy just died, they may think that it’s a game, they are kids after all

[sudden gust]

Fainting Warrior also often shows up in Aviary already in the fainted position. And when you faint next to them it kinda just centers them both in the screen. Maybe the spirit is intentionally teaching the skykids an approximation of death? Like it's not something to be feared even if it's sad

[spiral ember]

That would make sense considering the skids destiny is to travel to Eden and “die”. Maybe he’s showing them what’s to come

[edgy kernel]

What I noticed was that they're now actually doing the emote pose instead of the pose of passing out/dying in the memory - so i kinda thought maybe they found it funny and did it themselves, or more peacefully i thought maybe they were just looking up at the sky/stars from laying down on the ground for a better view, heh

[hushed steeple]

Question are sky kids living stars?

[lucid bridge]

“Lol I died. Got reborn just to make fun of my previous death. Also I got a house now and a village.”

[edgy kernel]

I imagine them as considering their current situation as more favorable than before

[slim mango]

Oh, there's a manta vehicle on it

[lucid bridge]

Is this official art?

[slim mango]

Yes!

[hushed steeple]

What's the flying snake rock thingy?

[lucid bridge]

Lunar New Year event creature

[hushed steeple]

Oh! I know that but I won't spoil that further- I hope I can see it

[lucid bridge]

I’ve been keeping my launch home at Home because I’m afraid it won’t show up in Aviary. Maybe it will, maybe it won’t. It looks like it will, but if it doesn’t, we can always visit Home.

[trim gull]

you can visit home at avaiary

theres like a meditation shrine

[real torrent]

Does that mean it’ll come to the game?👀✨

[queen pond]

Is the Eden elder cannon?

[hushed steeple]

This pic actually fire

[soft timber]

Depends on who you ask, mostly because we don't know for sure if Eden even had an elder at all or if it was the king. We do know it is a realm similar to the others but worked like a "hub" for the other elders

[slim mango]

anyway, look at the differences between spirit version and shared memory version (their clothes look different, but their accessory are same)

i think depends for coloring and stars on their bodies

[queen pond]

Ah I see I see, Tyy

[obtuse tapir]

Anyone ever found this trench area in sanctuary? It's my first time discovering it!

Okay, maybe it has been there for a while... and this whole time I have been blind.

[tawdry copper]

That's been there for a while iirc, yea

[lucid bridge]

Yes. We don’t see him explicitly. He’s just mentioned in the scenery as the King.

Well, by “mentioned” I mean that his motif is everywhere. There is a collage of king motifs that someone on here made but I can’t find it. Does anyone else have it?

The huge mural in the cave of prophecy depicts a glowing child completing the trials and ascending to Eden. This golden child is implied to be the king. There is also a golden child seen in the memory of the pointing spirit Some believe this is also the king (I also personally believe this). In the second entrance to Eden, there is a mural depicting a tall ancestor wearing a hat on top of Eden - he’s, you guessed it, the king. Not to mention the tall figure on the boat as seen in the water mural leading to the secret office area. He’s the king, too.
And the glowing child within the storm crystal? It is debated who that is. My theory is that he is the king in his incipient form, who had been sucked into the crystal and trapped within it when the shattering apocalypse started.

Because (according to my theory) the king is trapped within the red crystal of Eden, he does not appear with the rest of the elders.

The elders are trapped in a spirit plane like the rest of the spirits, but the king is in the void.

[edgy kernel]

hmmm... just a passing thought but if we looked at Eden as if it were any other realm, I might consider that the spirits of Eden are also trapped in there too, along with the spirit of who knows how many light creatures. And the statues on the way there aren't spirits we can even free, whether the darkness is too strong or that the ultimate destination for a spirit heading to eden is just to be vacuumed up by the crystal while heading towards the elder at the "temple" if we even could. It feels like the only people we can actually save are skykids who made it to eden and are frozen there.

[lucid bridge]

Yeah… I wonder about that… my happy ending for those spirits is that maybe they got freed into Orbit with us as we ascend… but I think they might’ve gotten all the light completely sucked out of them and petrified.

They got booted out of the reincarnation cycle. Megabird must be sad.

[edgy kernel]

we dont even have a single memory of any specific spirit in eden now that i think about it. the only things we've seen so far are the memories which come down from the shards of it that split off

[lucid bridge]

The only ones you can free from red crystals are children of light/glowing children

Eden seems to be in a bit of a time loop, if we are to interpret the cutscenes literally. It also could be that there are only one set of cutscenes.

I don’t think it’s in a time loop, but it’s a valid theory that’s out there.

The whole game is sort of like a time loop, but that is because we are literally playing the same game repeatedly.

[edgy kernel]

you know, it kinda feels like everyone in eden was just wiped entirely from history, in a weird way. the only thing that remains is their crumbling structures, statues, and the symbols of the king everywhere. we only even know about some things relating to eden from the perspectives of spirits in the other realms, not a single one inside eden. ( like the soldiers and their spears which fought in wasteland, and took prisoners somewhere with noting the memories in vault )
Until two embers comes out i suppose

[hushed steeple]

I dont think the lightseekers and assembly spirits are the same, and I really dont know where this idea come from.
At best the Lightseekers were forest campers in there youth, but that doesnt meen they were the same ones from asembly

[hushed steeple]

I think thats propably one of best explenation we have at the moment

[hushed steeple]

I dont know if haveing veagly similar cosmetics means that the two groups must be the same or directly related.
I feel that might be a bit of a stretch😅

[hushed steeple]

Yes, but probably not the same as in the concept art.
Its confermed in a TGS interview thats in "The two embers" animated series, one of the embers WILL become the king, which is also the closest thing to a Edan elder.
However there story changed the most over the years, and we will have to wait until the animation comes out to figure out whats canon or not about him

[hushed steeple]

Oh yeah, that things been there since may 2022 when they also added the turtle, sunset and clams.

They update Sanctuary every days of nature.
-May 2023 they had the manaty and ocean clean up event
-May 2021 was adding the poluted gaiser

[raven quiver]

I think it is referring to animation series . sky:two embers

[hushed steeple]

I dont think it is, considering that the Journey persone ( or probably costume) is in it😅

You also got Aurora, the chinise new years dragon, modern sky kid cosmetics and a lot of recent season spirits.

The image is TGS wishing all of us a happy new year

[raven quiver]

it's true. But for the first time we saw this manta in the animation trailer. At least it can be a sign of the coming of a season related to game animation

[hushed steeple]

Well obviacely
The animated series is the biggest sky thing to look forward to in 2024. And I will be shocked if they dont introduce this this creature in the game dureing its airing, just like they introduce the manaty

[raven quiver]

I can't wait until the release day. It is going to be one of the best animations

[mighty lion]

Since when does this channel exist... I am a big fan of lore but never seen it

[hushed steeple]

Like, over a year at the very least😅

[light minnow]

This was the first message in the channel
All the way back from late 2019

[hushed steeple]

Wow mama, so this thing has been up since the second official season

[hushed steeple]

Kinda interesting seing what lore descusions were at the start😂
Also, hope you dont mind, but I have 3 questions
1 How did you find the first ever coment
2 How do you find post only writen by a specific person
3 Can I find all the stuff that I wrote, or does it only work for finding other people?

[light minnow]

It was in the pinned messages, i was looking for the oldest stuff and figured the pinned rules would be super old
Turns out i got the absolute oldest message
For finding a message by one specific person, you add "from: [username] in the search" (if you're on the mobile UI it can be a bit jank)
And yes you can check yourself using this

[hushed steeple]

Aaa.....I see
Its been so long I forgot how to do it😅

Thanks so much for the help

[hushed steeple]

Oh yeah, and question number 4😅😅
Where do I find find comments on phone. The UI jank can be so fruatrating😅

[light minnow]

I'll send you the image of where to click in DMs

[hushed steeple]

Thanks so much @light minnow

[grim horizon]

Guys, is the kid on the boat alef? guess what im restarting the game

[rustic arch]

Would I be wrong to assume that sky kids are stronger than Elders?

[grim horizon]

i'm gonna say maybe. skykids are connected to both light and dark, and are connected to the elders as well. i do think we're more durable than them tho, so it could be possible

[hushed steeple]

Neh, that ait him
We all sow how he come

There's also a posibility these 3 are the same, but thats pure asumption right now 🤔
Will have to see

[hushed steeple]

Not too shure about that🤔
The things is, ancesters and Elders are also conected to darkness and light, with a phisical charcoal body and souls of light

Sky kids are deffinetly more powerfull and durable then the comman ancester, but Elders...

[grim horizon]

"Physical charcoal body" hm, we're not too sure what elders or skykids are made of...?

[hushed steeple]

Sky kids....maby not
But ancesters and elders....

[hushed steeple]

Also if you say this pasage only aply to the ancesters, remember that this image is from the old design of the Priery Elder

[lucid bridge]

That’s from the “Runaway” AURORA quest, right? I think it’s just a kid ancestor. I thin Alef/the King is the child we see fall from the sky in the memory for the emote.

I think the ancestors are dark creatures. Their bodies are made out of stone and they eat other creatures. But as the intro said, all are given breath by light. So dark creatures aren’t really devoid of light so much as they just eat primarily light creatures.

[hushed steeple]

I mean....are our bodies really so different to theres😅

[lucid bridge]

It’s like if we compare light creatures to autotrophs/phototrophs and dark creatures to heterotrophs on earth. No matter what you eat, if you go back far enough on the food chain we all get energy from the sun. Unless you’re a chemotroph. But we can ignore that

[hushed steeple]

I mean....the alagory gets kinda mixed up when the food sorce for boath Autotrophs and Hererotrophs in this universe would still be light😅
Considering that sky kids are shown """eating"'''', and in one memory you have one of the ancesters feading a manta, I dont thing this is so clear cut.

Boath light creatures and dark creatures need to consume light, its just that dark creatures dont care much for killing other creatures to take that light😅

[lucid bridge]

I was wondering if mantas ate because they got those big mouths…

[agile nimbus]

Random question, but I think it would go here, do sky kids and/or spirits cry? And if so, would sky kids cry fire?

[lucid bridge]

I know it’s ultimately futile to categorize Sky creatures like earth organisms because they probably weren’t developed with that in mind but it’s fun

[edgy kernel]

oh interesting, what memory was that which you see them feeding mantas, is it the aurora one in valley?

[lucid bridge]

Maybe we can call the mantas photoheterotrophs… they get energy from light but they also eat other things for their carbon skeleton…

[hushed steeple]

Besides, I dont belive that Elders would be dark creatures, for the simple fact that a huge plot point in one versionof sky concepts had the Waistland elder fight against the dark creatures, and desperatly resisting to become dark for long enough to help us pass through
to Voult
If Elders were ever considered dark creatures, then none of this would make any sence

[tawdry copper]

They definitely do cry, since there's a crying emote. I like to think that Skykids cry hot water lol

[lucid bridge]

Light creatures and dark creatures basically have endoskeletons and exoskeletons respectively if we are to consider the dark matter their support structures

[agile nimbus]

Fire or steam makes sense

[lucid bridge]

I agree. I think that the Elders are light creatures! They are physiologically different from the ancestors imo

[lucid bridge]

And steam can condense into water!

[edgy kernel]

I might think maybe there's some separation between dark creatures and corrupted dark creatures, maybe? looking at crabs specifically they're referred to as dark creature crabs, but they are unique in that they look like they're made of stone, whereas krills are much larger and look more made of shadow

the crabs we see in places seem to have black flakes on them, and the krills emit a grey flake

[lucid bridge]

It’s canon that the dark flakes corrupted the crabs and turned them hostile to light creatures.

[agile nimbus]

There’s a crab in the trench that doesn’t have those black splotches, and they’re chill

[lucid bridge]

Perhaps we can look at this with a biological lens and speculate that the dark flakes act like an ectoparasite that saps energy/light from the crabs and makes them starve. Hence why they are so aggressive in searching for food/light

I LOVE SPECULATIVE BIOLOGY

[edgy kernel]

i wonder if maybe its the same flakes that come off of krills, heh.

[lucid bridge]

Maybe

[hushed steeple]

True, but probably not by too much
The seperation between light and dark creatures is probably less a clear line and more a scale
-On the one hand you got pure light beings and light constructs like the wing lights and butterfly
-After that you got light creatures proper, beings that are mostly light with phisical bones
-Then you got sky people which are between light and darkness, with sky kids being a more proper balance, while the Elders going more on the dark side
-And finally you got the dark creatures proper

[hushed steeple]

well Krills are kinda made of stone as well when you look close enough😅 (though I wouldent blame you for not going to close to them)

[edgy kernel]

I'd probably guess the range goes even further, from dark creatures to corrupted ones, and then to like... fully corrupt creatures like the krills.

I wonder also where we'd place these guys from the fire trial. I might think of them as so far off to the dark side of things that they almost mirror pure light beings, being make almost entirely of darkness

[hushed steeple]

I would asume that those would be at the very end of the dark spectrum

[edgy kernel]

also just being close to those guys is enough to totally extinguish our flame which is stronger than the others by far
( crabs and krills can attack us for varying damage, but do have to make an effort to attack )