lore-discussion-spoilers

[somber zealot]

Huh? I thought the Vault was dug into the side of the Eden mountain.

[sharp lichen]

Vault would be "embedded" within Eden, basically inside of it

[hushed steeple]

Maybe it was a mistake thinking I’d be able to return here and actually be able to interact with a community that doesn’t directly offend me and then try to sweep it under the rug like nothing happened.

All you say about this community is how “kind” it is. Is that not right. Meanwhile I’ve seen first hand people here complain about the friendship aspect of this game and even put other parts of the community down, believing themselves to be the best all subconsciously.

I want you to actually understand what I’m saying.
You just don’t listen close enough.
Too caught up in a secluded and isolated world of your own creation.

I know you won’t care if I leave at all.
That’s the problem.
You don’t care for me in the slightest.

I’m not saying I was expecting full on friendship, but I was at least hoping to see a sliver of basic human empathy.

Of course, I’m the one making a big deal here aren’t I.
Trying to bring to light how ignored I felt in the past.
And now even mentioning and acknowledging my own feelings towards an interaction I would’ve forgotten if acknowledging and resolved in a respectable fashion.
I’m going to remember the negativity I’ve felt here forever.

So I do oh so hope that you enjoy your positive interactions with one another! Cause one day the feeble beams keeping your “friendly” community up are going to rot, decay, and fall apart.

[latent tendon]

r the upper floors of vault even real. cause the only 2 physical places we can confirm r the base and the summit

[sharp lichen]

It's a much debated topic. Sky has many "pocket dimension" areas: the Ancient Memories, the Trials, and the Aurora Concert to name a few. Whether they are 'real' or not is difficult to say

It also seems to be a symptom of map distortion, which happens because a 3d world cannot be perfectly mapped onto a 2d shape. What makes it more complicated is that Sky's map is shaped like a diamond

[latent tendon]

also umm
the eden we end up reaching is literally a factory while the ascended eden looks like a castle/city?

[sharp lichen]

Yeah, we kind of see it in the Two Embers trailer

I think the beginning parts of Eden are more of an industrialized city, rather than being just a factory

[earnest briar]

Forget Sky Kids playing there, I wanna go!!!

Also I remember the Fun Factory! There are things like that at the fair every year, I loved them as a kid! Sadly now that I'm older and also got hit with cases of The Big Sads™️ and Extreme Anxiety✨ multiple times fairs and stuff aren't all that fun for me anymore because so many rides are either very fast, very tall, or both which my anxiety does not like. Having physically grown also doesn't help because rides I could fit into as a kid are too small for me now.

[shrewd kernel]

is there a lore reason for why the sanctuary mantas look different cause i realizede awhile ago and i cant stop thinking about it

[reef fulcrum]

This is really flattering, I'm actually honored to know you took my thoughts to heart. It's helpful, too, to see things like this compiled and straightforward. I maybe think WAY too much sometimes, and forget what's important. Seeing people like you put the effort into sorting out the details is reassuring and inspiring.

[sharp lichen]

How so 😭 I never recognized anything g

[vital oxide]

hey!!! 💫

[shrewd kernel]

Like how the Sanctuary mantas have longer back wings(?) and no gold on the front, just soft yellow on hthe top
and theyre like bigger and plushier looking

[sharp lichen]

Welcome to the Sky discord server!

[shrewd kernel]

but the ones in prairie village hav like. the shiny looking gold on the front and theyre like sharper looking and their back wings r small

[vital oxide]

thank you I'm actually old in sky but i just download discord

[shrewd kernel]

these kind are in sanctuary too i just mean the big bright ones are the outliers

[sharp lichen]

I think sanctuary might have mantas that aren’t seen elsewhere

For example, the ones with more back wings aren’t often seen anywhere else

I’m leaning more towards being custom made for Sanctuary

Lore wise, it could just be that the biodiversity of the island allows for multiple kinds of species

[shrewd kernel]

That makes sense
I think theyre way cuter than the mantas we see everywhere else i want a plushie of one

as much as i play though i cant believe it took me this long to notice

i mean i kinda suspected it before cause i finally got the manta plushie nd realized it hardly looks like either of them so hthat throws me off

[sharp lichen]

Not the first time a plushie is inaccurate

[shrewd kernel]

yup
Also the fact that some of the tiny mantas look different from each other like the ones that hang around the sanctuary bell tower thing dont look like any big manta unlike the small mantas that just look like a mini version of the regular mantas

[quiet solar]

oh i saw the fairy ring before is it always there now

[reef fulcrum]

The Great Big Biggest Great Manta at Sanctuary is just my big white dog as a Manta in Sky, and that's all I need to know.

[shrewd kernel]

the elder manta? 💀

[nimble ingot]

It only appears every 10 min till the hour, where it disappears on the hour.
It still works till this day.

[quiet solar]

oh thats cool

what a coincidence that i came across it by chance

[reef fulcrum]

There's always more to say about these things, lol... The poetic nature of Life as a Skykid based on a unified balance, while Darkstone exists as a sinister singularity. It's devastating potential: the nature of Eden. Hyperdense, and impossibly massive, collapsing forever in from everywhere around it. Crushing Time and Space while the immeasurable force of Light and Love allows Life to go on anyway. In spite of the most devastating cataclysmic occurrence in all the known universe.

It has big implications on all kinds of other things in Sky. From the functionality of the Vault of Knowledge, down to the smallest details about Candles and Wax. Sure, the devs might not have had all these things in mind when they put it all together, but they specifically designed a framework that makes a lot of things possible that most other games have always just taken for granted.

I mean, Super Mario 64 had a funny excuse for 3rd-person sight, but if you were a behavioral scientist (studying skykids through observing them in-game like lab mice) you would know for sure that Skykids will be able to see a hypothetical Ninja sneaking up behind them. I do a lot of thinking about how things are observed in-game. Research you can perform, and experiments that can be repeated.

All Skykids can see behind them. Every other videogame (except SM64) is "just a videogame" and that's why you can see behind you, but Sky is next level guys. It actually makes sense, and the devs at least knew that much when they wrote it all up. They definitely wanted to mess with spacetime and symbolism, and those two things really get me thinking...

Obviously.

I'm a little surprised, honestly, I haven't cracked 2000 digits. I've been on and off again, writing things I think; and it really shows I don't have time rn to talk about all the things I'd like to. It took me how many hours to originally reply to Baud, anyway? I got stuff on my plate, and playing on my phone ultimately has low priority. Oh there's 2K-->

[quiet solar]

wait if eden acts as a black hole how hasnt everything get sucked in yet

[reef fulcrum]

First time I happened to find it was one if the rare times I play on PS4, and I seriously thought it was a console exclusive.

[reef fulcrum]

It has been.
Light trumps Gravity. We can see and move throughout space and time, but also independently of either. Because all objects falling into a black hole eventually reach Lightspeed, they all reach a point where time doesn't move at all. Light is traveling, and change is occuring, but space expands infinitely towards the center as it would take longer and longer to get there; the closer you got to it.

Because I don't care how many WL you have when you go into the Storm. As far as I know, NOBODY has ever physically touched the Crystal at Eden.

[quiet solar]

so the diamond will forever be a 'set distance away' from yourself? how interesting

[sharp lichen]

If you were fall into a black hole, an outside observer would see you slowing down as you fall into it, and eventually you would stop completely.

The realms of Sky, falling into the black hole, have stopped forever, and the skykids are the outside observer.

[quiet solar]

i see

[sharp lichen]

Welcome to mathchat

[distant turtle]

After crossing the event horizon, the only path forward in time brings us closer to the singularity.

[neon igloo]

Black holes pull in a lot of matter but they’re actually picky eaters, they grab more then they can consume and it swirls around them but not much actually gets pulled in

[lost zephyr]

oh, here's an idea! what if the map is elevation and location, in a sort of.. cone shape? i'll try to blend up something of what i mean, 2 seconds! :D

[sharp lichen]

Orpheus????

[neon igloo]

Prettyunion????

[sharp lichen]

😭

[native galleon]

the concept art map is sorta cone shaped, all centered around the mountain of eden #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[neon igloo]

Is this revolutionary to you tho baud? Like we been knew that the realms were all leading up the mountain

[lost zephyr]

this is what i'm thinking for the in game path :o hopefully makes sense.

[sharp lichen]

I wonder if the diamond map we have is just a 2d representation of Tom Zhao's concept art map

[lost zephyr]

i don't know if it actually works though, or lines up in game ever w/ the direction of eden from a certain area haha

[neon igloo]

I think you gotta consider it like floating islands, the cone is multiple islands held up by clouds, not a single structure

[sharp lichen]

It does, and you can see how the red outline makes somewhat of a diamond shape (if you connect the left side to the top and the right side to the bottom)

[neon igloo]

Bros gonna hit their character limit 👀

[lost zephyr]

is anyone able to catch me up on all the major theories for darkstone production / function / etc? :o are there perchance any google doc summaries or anything

[sharp lichen]

not the first, not the last

[native galleon]

me? uh actually i realized what i was saying made no sense so you’ve been spared. this time

[sharp lichen]

Here's bits and pieces copied from my timeline:

As the Ancestors settle down and form the kingdoms of Sky, they mine darkstone, a powerful mineral. This mineral can then be charged with light, forming power diamonds, which are used to open doors and power boats, along with much more. The darkstone mining is crude and ineffective, but it works and the Ancestors build flying boats to easily transport through the realms.

As the realms progress and become more advanced, Forest and Wasteland become prime spots for darkstone gathering, with large mines and refineries being built. To fuel this demand for darkstone, they sacrifice light creatures to power it.

I wonder why Prairie Peaks, despite being so mountainous, is located so far down. It almost looks like it's below sea level.

Maybe it's because it's a river valley

[lost zephyr]

So, is it that as skykids we are able to naturally power the power diamonds? :o I guess that explains how, as we progress, we can make our way through all these abandoned no longer powered/functioning structures.

Then there's the question; while the sky children resemble spirits, they're very much different aren't they? What are the spirits if not light-powered as the skykids and other light creatures are? hmmmm..

[native galleon]

Skykids have properties of both ancestors and creatures of light, which is presumably why they can use their light to power things. The ancestors have light as well, their spirits are made of it, but they don’t have the kind of light that they can just pull out of their chest and start lighting stuff, apparently. They’re not considered creatures of light, but they still come from the stars somehow and have a spiritual connection to the light, if that makes sense

I think maybe they just don’t have that much light in their bodies compared to the creatures, idk

[rich plank]

That matches up pretty well with what’s seen in-game actually

[quiet solar]

there was part of the prairie peaks called entrance valley right?

[latent tendon]

There's a wind barrier separating u from the crystal. I once bugged out in eden and couldn't die so I tried to touch the crystal. Bcs of the plane around the crystal u really can't tell if ure actually moving or not

[latent tendon]

The entrance mountains? There's 2 cliffs at the start that u have to capture for a quest

[latent tendon]

Do we turn into darkstone cause those crystals r the same as the one is Prarie peaks

[quaint coral]

Sky kids (likely) have skeletons, my evidence are some knuckles. Knuckles are visible thanks to fleshy stuff layered over bones, correct? How am I supposed to feel that beneath a petrified sky kid is a skeleton. Why aren’t there more skeleton related spooks during mischief if this is the case. Does this mean skids can break bones. How much worse is it when a krill hits a skid. That’s already going to hurt but yikes now you have bones to impact. Do they have advanced enough medicine for treating fractured/broken bones? Discuss as you will I wanna know what y’all think

[latent tendon]

Well creatures of light do leave behind skeletal remains after they die so it does make sense for skykid to have bones. I think they don't really mention skykids having bones because it was never built upon in the game

[sharp lichen]

The character in that trailer isn't a skykid, but rather an ancestor spirit like the ones from Passage

[quaint coral]

Thank the elders I was so worried for sky kids

[rapid latch]

fun fact: i headcanon my skykid akari being blind, as will as having a scar on her cheek because of a shard event

[quaint coral]

I love this please share more about your skykid I am invested /gen

[sharp lichen]

Skykids would likely be much, much smaller than what we see in the trailer

[rapid latch]

see my art in the fanart section for pics of her

[quaint coral]

Ittiest bittiest creachers? Ok I’m much more comforted now that I can believe they’re boneless critters who can hide in lil nooks to keep themselves safe legit thank you

[rapid latch]

akari is smol

[quaint coral]

Akari Better stay safe* or I got a legion of sky OCs to do it for them (138 per last check)

[sharp lichen]

I'm confident of it because of the size of the manatees/seals we see in-game vs the trailer.

In the trailer, the manatees can comfortably fit into their hands

But in Sky, they're almost as big as a Skykid

Which probably means we see little to no skykids in the two embers, and instead we'll see young spirits instead

[quaint coral]

They really emphasized the sky ‘kid’ part, lol

[sharp lichen]

In many ways, yes. Sky has made me rethink what being a kid truly is.

[lost zephyr]

I can’t believe the fact skykids have no teeth actually becomes important here, but as Baudshaw mentioned that isn’t actually a skykid :o I’m more inclined to believe that skykids do not possess bones and are instead mostly clay or stone or whatever they may be made of.

Skykids simply resemble children of the ancestors, it seems, but with peculiar differences hinting towards their inclination to being more on the side of ‘creature of light’ than .. whatever the ancestors are, I suppose.

[lost zephyr]

I agree here too! I don’t think we’ll see skykids at ALL in the two embers because they simply weren’t.. ‘deployed’ yet?

Society of the ancestors is still functioning in full force within the trailer at least it seems, but if we’re lucky maybe we’ll see the silly eden rock do it’s thing

[rapid latch]

check completed fanart for a pic of akari

I think skykids do have bones and organs

It’s confirmed skykids have organs, since when we dive into water, it shows an oxygen gauge, plus, when we run out of air, if you listen closely, there’s a faint heartbeat sound

[left cipher]

Ok this may be weird or more like a what if prediction. What if something bad will happen to the kid ( main character in two embers). Like the die or something but their friend the manatee through some phenomenon (or grows up) becomes the big whale bird figh of ligh thing , the one in orbit. And so it creates skykids in the image of their friend so they can save the world that was destroyed.

[lost zephyr]

that's an interesting theory :o

[latent tendon]

Were skykids created by the eden elder as like fail safes??

[rapid latch]

my headcanon is that spirits are dead ppl, skykids are alive ppl

[distant turtle]

I think most of Prairie is at the altitude of the Sanctuary Entrance relative to the sea but speaking of the sea, if that sea isn’t Earth I wonder if Sky world’s sea is like an astral plane above Earth, or a parallel Earth, or if there’s no such thing as Earth in this fictional universe.

[sharp lichen]

I think the oxygen gauge is because… Fire need oxygen to live?

The heartbeat sound plays in many areas, including when you’re about to die and when you’re near a friend

[rapid latch]

i think its because they need to breathe obvi

[brisk umbra]

the lore for the Tearful Light Miner is so sad :(

[sharp lichen]

Maybe, but not in the same way we do.

Humans need oxygen to regulate biological functions. But Skykids need it to fuel their fire

[sharp lichen]

I really don’t think a real life earth would exist in a fictional universe. “Sea level” exists for a reason

[rapid latch]

probably??

another thing confirming skykids having bones

is the fact some bot once sent in beta this-

"water is blue krill eyes are red skykids innards are sweet" (and the last part i forgot)

this was in 2021

[sharp lichen]

Let’s hope and pray @pastel brook isn’t canon, we don’t want to emulate their lore

[pastel brook]

Using emulators is against the Sky TOS, @sharp lichen. Please don’t use or discuss emulators here.

[cold sparrow]

the bot is hardly canon
it's here to entertain, not provide lore

[earnest briar]

I wish to see the Angry Pop Rock go boom

[rapid latch]

i wonder if fat skykids exist

like.. rlly chonky ones

[earnest briar]

Round

[sharp lichen]

If there’s a height changing spell, there should be a width changing spell

[fierce lagoon]

width changing spell when

[native galleon]

pls you trolling the bot like this always makes me laugh 💀

[nimble ingot]

poor fella evaporated into thin air /j

[rapid latch]

Sky War statistics

There were 2 sides ig: One side had Forest, wasteland, prairie and valley ig

the other had Vault, isle and eden. the war was started by forest ig cuz iirc in the concept art it showed the first battle site in forest. It was started bc the realms were divided on whether they should use dark stone or not.

[native galleon]

that’s changed a lot since concept art tho, current evidence in the live game is a more reliable indicator of what happened

[nimble ingot]

sad but its true

[latent tendon]

Eden is a factory

[rapid latch]

The pro dark stone side (the one with forest) almost won, if it didnt have to be ended bcoz of how many casualties there were.

[latent tendon]

This isn't entirely true bcs of areas like sanctuary islands, wind paths

[rapid latch]

This destroyed eden, turned wasteland into what it is now, wrapped the forest into eternal rain, but prairie was less affected.

[latent tendon]

These area were made to protect light creatures

[rapid latch]

but some areas were probably unaffected.

but, this is JUST A THEORY.

[native galleon]

I don’t think you’re wrong about darkstone being the motivator for the conflict, but if that’s the case, then it seems like a very random assortment of realms on each side? bc if that were the case, prairie and especially wasteland would be against it, and eden would likely be for it. vault also heavily uses darkstone technology so i don’t think they’d be against the technology itself, but i don’t think they fought in the war either

[latent tendon]

A GAME THEORY

[rapid latch]

Insert game theory outro music

yeah now what i think of it, lemme rearrange it

[native galleon]

The concert, remembrance, spirit memories and environmental clues throughout the realms tell a different story imo

[rapid latch]

side 1: eden

side 2: all the realms except for vault

beans

[native galleon]

wait i made a very crappy diagram of this for fic planning purposes lemme find it

[rapid latch]

resh: YAYY DARKSTONE LETS USE IT

[lyric imp]

I love it how we've been discussing the same things over and over again among over a dozen of people and still noone really has conclusive reasoning for this stuff. The curse of open-ended lore, i guess

[quiet solar]

i feel like there are people on each side in each realm, so for example some in prairie were against the use of darkstone and harvesting of light from light creatures while others were supporting it because it benefitted them
it is most likely that most residents in wastelands were protesting against the use of darkstone as it affected them directly
most ancestors in forest were mostly likely supportive of the use of darkstone as it would probably have benefitted them a lot, same for valley and vault
i feel like those in the isle would be the most out of loop and only receive darkstone later on since they are quite far away from the rest of society, but i feel like they would have protested against it but some eventually succumbed to using darkstone, spliting the ancestors of isle into two sides
since eden was a factory, and eventually where the shattering diamond (made from darkstone if im not wrong) was built, eden would be supportive of the use of darkstone
imo everyone would support the use of darkstone before they found out the side effects of it

[latent tendon]

I don't think the war had people from different areas, it was probably cause by a civil unrest due to the infection cause by darkstone (two embers trailer) some people realized darkstone did more harm than good and slowly tried to reverse its change (wind paths, sanctuary islands) but this didn't work due to the eye of eden rupturing leading to meteor showers across all realms (aurora concert, season of shattering) . The public tried to enter the only area the meteor showers weren't affecting (vault) so they all gathered around the "battlefield" which let to a 'war'

[native galleon]

said crappy diagram, based on evidence we have in game as well as my own hcs

[quiet solar]

theres one big thing about vault tho; they use memory lanterns that are made from darkstone
the entire place is filled with darkstone tech

[native galleon]

i just said that yeah, but they also canonically sheltered refugees from wasteland. i think like most of society, they were probably fine with using it until they realized the effects

[latent tendon]

This is my take on the events

[quiet solar]

i also feel like the people of valley wouldnt even know what is going on in wasteland until the war starts because they are above the clouds and would not be able to see the destruction happening below and would be too absorbed/prideful in their achievements

[native galleon]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message this is also a good breakdown of it imo

[quiet solar]

i feel like vault probably only realised how bad darkstone was during the war

[native galleon]

gonna have to disagree with you somewhat because

[quiet solar]

isnt that during the war tho

[native galleon]

wait lemme explain; i think they made the wind do that with cyan light

[rapid latch]

RESH: Yayy darkstone

[quiet solar]

wind?

[rapid latch]

Teth: uh kinda sus im assuming this is bad

[latent tendon]

Also I'd like to add. In the tea spirits memories, the soldiers r actively hunting/searching refugees. So could it be that the infection from darkstone was actually contagious? And the soldiers r trying to find Infected people

[native galleon]

You know the colored lights in season of prophecy?

[quiet solar]

yea

[rapid latch]

Resh: U DONT HAVE A CHOICE Tsadi and ayin: i agree with teth\

[sharp lichen]

I don’t think all the realms fought, they might’ve just looked around and watched.

Wasteland is the only realm in which we actually see evidence for a war. Valley went on the offensive, but there was likely no fighting in their realm. Eden seems to have shields, but we don’t know how much fighting there was.

I’m much more inclined to believe it was a civil war within Wasteland

[quiet solar]

i thought they were guarding an area?

[quiet solar]

can you elaborate i still dont get it

[rapid latch]

Teth: im sorry guys... i dont have a choice secretly supplies wasteland

[latent tendon]

What is this genuine question

[sharp lichen]

In the season of enchantment, one of the quests is to collect cyan light. Once you do it, one of the spirits creates a hole in the clouds. The cyan light apparently is associated with wind

The same thing happens here, where cyan light breaks the clouds and creates a hole

[rapid latch]

tsadi: Whispers thanks for the supplies

[quiet solar]

wait the hole has been there before the meteor shower tho

[native galleon]

yeah sorry! so in season of prophecy, you see the king/chosen one/whatever you wanna call them bringing the elemental lights to the elders. forest has water, prairie has earth, valley has wind, and gw has fire. essentially, i think that’s not the shattering we’re seeing in the seed, i think the valley elders intervened using elemental magic

[sharp lichen]

But it also made it stormy/violent

[quiet solar]

wait nvm i just rewatched the hole wasnt there at first

[rapid latch]

ayin: supplies tsadi more

[sharp lichen]

It could also be the origin for the vortex in the social space

[native galleon]

what exactly led to that decision, we don’t know for sure, but it probably had to do with disagreements over darkstone. valley is dependent on it, wasteland is suffering because of it, they end up on opposing sides and eventually it gets out of hand and this happens

[quiet solar]

ooo i see now

[latent tendon]

There's a ton of holes above wasteland? Also how would the shards even reach the wasteland without breaking the cloud layer

[rapid latch]

daleth and lamed: we'll stay out of this

[quiet solar]

perhaps they had past scuffles

[rapid latch]

resh: TETH YOU ARE GOING TO SUPPLY SAMEKH TOO, OR ELSE

[native galleon]

Vault didn’t really have a choice to stay out of it. I don’t think they fought, they helped Wasteland tho

[sharp lichen]

Yeah, The Seed part of the concert seems to be at around the tail end of the war

[rapid latch]

Lamed: helps refugees

personally i ship teth and tsadi

[native galleon]

ok

[quiet solar]

i also saw a person wielding a sun shield attacking a manta in seed of hope (person on the left in the 1st picture is the one infront of the manta and attacking it)

[rapid latch]

meanwhile, in the forest, one part supported wasteland and the other supported eden

teth probably favored team tsadi more

[rapid latch]

bcoz, mantas are tasty, krills are better

[native galleon]

alright my computer’s working again i gtg

absolutely cannot resist getting into this topic when it comes up tho, i think i might have a problem

[sharp lichen]

Mantas were likely used as mounts in the war

[latent tendon]

How long did that war actually last?

[sharp lichen]

That’s a good question, too good for us unfortunately.

We see the conclusion of the war in The Seed, but it probably lasted a few years minimum

[latent tendon]

Is it possible that the eden elder shattered the eye on purpose to like stop the war

[quiet solar]

oh right
would they try to save the mantas tho? or was it possible for the side fighting for the use of darkstone to train mantas to attack those on the other side (most likely through abuse or isolation)

im gonna go sleep gn

[sharp lichen]

Probably not, in the Eden white candle mural we see the eden elder pretty happy to see an unshattered diamond

[latent tendon]

Imagine a game where the only dialog lore we get is in the first 5 mins of the game and never again

[sharp lichen]

Sky and dialogue doesn’t really mix anyways

[rapid latch]

So, basically, this is what I think
Teth was secretly supporting tsadi , but also resh and samekh against her will

[latent tendon]

R these the names of the elders

[rapid latch]

yeah

[cold sparrow]

In old concept art, the elders have been described with hebrew letters
These names are not canon to the live game, but are still very established in the fan community

[trim mural]

this is amazing

[native galleon]

that’s very generous of you but thanks

[remote ivy]

I think lore dolled out via found tablet or scroll or activated wall diamond power thingy etc would fit into Sky fine

[soft timber]

I do wonder, since it is presumed that not only stone, sand, and clay exists but also different colors of them, would a spirit or a skykid technically decorate things or even themselves with these different colored materials?

[teal fox]

Hi chat! I've searched far and wide for the sky lore but couldn't find anything , can anyone explain it? Im not a new player and i've played this game for a loong time but still couldnt figure it out! Someone help

[latent tendon]

@sharp lichen

[sharp lichen]

Don’t murals already exist?

[native galleon]

yeah murals also don’t have to be translated

[sharp lichen]

There’s no singular “the Sky lore”. For a summary of some basic things, you can look here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

[teal fox]

Thank you!

[lost zephyr]

That makes me curious on how dialogue and communication would be handled in Two Embers. Ancestors do chirp and send ‘chat’ messages in game sometimes at least, don’t they?

[cold sparrow]

it is entirely possible that Two Embers will be written without any spoken dialogue

[lost zephyr]

True! I’d love to see how whatever they do is pulled off

[reef fulcrum]

Translated is a fun word I could talk A LOT about ...
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

I think Sky and Dialogue don't mix AT ALL.

Skykids don't use dialogue.
Nobody does. Nobody speaks. Ever.

It's Telepathy.

[full mirage]

When will you start voting for the TS of the week?

[reef fulcrum]

We can vote for TS?

[full mirage]

They published that now that will be the way for the TS of the week

[reef fulcrum]

I forget to check the #news

[somber moss]

Not really lore related but does anyone know if that one manta who follows us in forest appears in valley?

[sharp lichen]

Possibly, but mantas appear everywhere in Valley

[quiet solar]

i think it follows us to valley and then flies away

[somber moss]

iirc at orbit if you climb up the staircase to see that view of the moon, theres a manta flying up and down near it
Theorizing thats the same manta just to make myself feel better

[opaque adder]

Is there a lore for the area of the little prince? The one where there's a krill in nowhere

[sharp lichen]

It's mostly based on the book, so it's a good idea to read it

[upper ferry]

hm, these two (three?) winged light are different…first one is in Little Prince area, second is shard memory. im sure this means something

[sharp lichen]

the second one is a recreation of the hugging scene in Eden

[quiet solar]

has anyone ever essayed on the songs used during the aurora concert? because i would love to if someone hasnt done it already, the songs were deliberately chosen to fit each scene imo

[trim mural]

Aw that would be adorable

[rapid latch]

anyone wondering what each of the elder's thing is??? lemme guess

daleth: transportation ayin: taking care of animals teth: industrialization and commerce valley: sports and arts tsadi: war "lame"d(cuz lamed is lame): technology, knowledge and science

i also decided to rank the elders by strength:

1. Tsadi ofc 2. Teth (MJOLNIR!!!!!) 3. Ayin (snorlax elder) 4. samekh 5. "lame"d 6. daleth

[quiet solar]

wouldnt that mean the manta is dead (the bones)

[rapid latch]

anyone saw what I wrote

[rapid latch]

don’t be sad
it’s only a manta

Chill

[trim mural]

Vault is my favorite Elder

[rapid latch]

vault is old and weak

no one uses his hair, plus he isn’t that popular

Imao forest mama is more popular online

[latent tendon]

its literally a hijab

[rapid latch]

Wait what?

Sorry if I offended you

but the latter part (he’s less popular) is true

[reef fulcrum]

||(oh megabird, I hate the pronouns game. Talk about offending people, oh megabird. Why am I even opening my mouth rn?)||
I always saw Vault Elder (Lam'd?) as one of the "she" elders. I mean; it IS basically a Hijab. With all due respect to the Culture Hijabs come from, wouldn't putting one on anyone else be a little... inappropriate? I mean, I'm not Muslim, maybe I have no room to talk. And everybody is different and unique, I'm sure there are LGBT Muslims who have come to terms with their spirituality. Traditionally speaking though, Orthodox Muslims are not typically as open-minded as westernized countries when it comes to gender roles and identity. Dressing a Male witb a Hijab in a videogame seems like the kind of controversial decision that TGC avoids as hard as they can, cause it's just asking for trouble. I mean, why not just draw Muhammad while they're at it, you know?

Mmmmm...
I think I'm just gonna delete that post soon.

[lyric imp]

I'd argue that the role of vault is more similar to ancient/prehistoric priest than it is to either modern priest or modern researcher
https://youtu.be/Cgku-koMiLM?si=focV0cBlcHJKaJxh (video relevant)
I suspect they were more generally dealing with the unknown, whatever kind of unknown it was. Not to mention there isn't really a distinction between science and spirituality in the world of sky, necause a) souls' and spirits' is tangible and obvious to everyone, anyone can see afterlife and come back in one form or another, and b) technology is largely based on manipulating soul/vital energy of creatures

[lyric imp]

This is begging for a sick burn but i don't think we should do sick burns in this server

[rapid latch]

anyways, daleth is sus

[lost zephyr]

I'm not really familiar with the names people are calling the elders; why don't we just stick to [realm] elder(s)?

[rapid latch]

i saw an isle mural of him that looked like sus among us

[gleaming crow]

I guess because those names are shorter. And as long as people understand who we are talking about, it will work. (Although it does get a bit confusing for new lore moths, I agree)

[rapid latch]

forest elder and wasteland elder are best elders

[lost zephyr]

my favourite elders are vault and prairie, though that's a little irrelevant to the lorechat haha

[rapid latch]

the chonky elder and the weak elder?? cool cool

[lone hull]

It's just a dress code with all sorts of man-made implications.

[trim mural]

I just like calling Isle pepaw

[quiet solar]

rip peepaw didnt get engraved into the eden gates

[trim mural]

kicked out of the cool kid’s club

shoo, shoo ———->

[rapid latch]

wanna hear a sweet headcanon: wasteland elder's spear was forged by forest elder as a gift

[rapid latch]

yeah cuz he aint cool he so weak

[lost zephyr]

Do we have any documents/ summaries / leading theories about the prophecy murals and their meanings?

[rapid latch]

i even made a theory based on the murals #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[gleaming crow]

I can entertain you with my own headcanon

The four elements were what guided the sky kingdom. We see the elders in certain sections murals of the murals. I headcanon that they were the first spirits to pass a certain elemental trial, thus they carried that power bestowed upon them at the end of each trial and brought it to each section of the sky kingdom, forming the 6 realms we know today. (Though technically, only the elders of four of the realms are shown in prpphecy murals, so I guess the other two were just there from the start??)

Eden elder, on the other hand, was the only spirit (or skykid?) to pass all four trials. (Here is where all this becomes headcanon) He was thus crowned king and resided at the top of the mountain we know today as Eden.

One of the murals in Eden show the Eden elder attempting to create a diamond, which could be the red Eden diamond. However, the diamond exploded (as we can tell from shattering) and killing the Eden elder in the process.

[quiet solar]

it was actually the prince (not little prince) who gave them the elemental lights if im not wrong

[latent tendon]

vault elder is literally my favorite

[rapid latch]

i headcanon my skykid akari being able to harness earth and water

[jagged raft]

Me too!!

[obsidian mason]

i completely see your point but the idea of leaving pronouns open for anyone to infer on their own isnt just about deciding whether a character is male or female, it can also just be being like “i think these pronouns would suit this character”, pronouns dont always equal gender so theres lots of possibilities, maybe someone headcanons them as using any pronouns, maybe they them who knows, and they could hc that and still see them as a woman, or they could hc that the character is non binary who still partially identifies with being a woman. theres so many possibilities and thats why tgc leaves it open for anyone, its hurtin no one. and like this is a fantasy world, no one gotta worry about less open minded people so theyre even more free to dive into concepts like that in the universe.

[latent tendon]

vault elder definitely appear androgynous and anws all spirits canonically use they/them pronouns

[reef fulcrum]

This post is a very good example of a conversation I was just having in Sky, like... yesterday. I wish I could screenshot it and share it there, or at least if I knew that Player's Discord handle, I'd love to link them here.

[obsidian mason]

i didnt know tjat about it being canon thats cool!

[latent tendon]

ye all posts about spirits use they/them I'm pretty sure

[obsidian mason]

is that a good thing?

[cold sparrow]

I believe the spirits and characters in Sky are more 'gender ambiguous' than non-binary. Official posts (in English) refer to them as they/them, yes. Other languages that don't have established neutral pronouns or nouns switch up male and female in random ways. Mods before have posted that gender, identity and pronouns are meant to be open to players - for them to see themselves or people around them in these characters.
This is explicitly inviting non-binary reads of these characters, but it also leaves the door open for anyone that considers a character more masculine or feminine, and they're not wrong for that.

[obsidian mason]

yeah i completely agree thats what i thought the characters were as well, ambiguous

[quiet solar]

they probably dont comprehend gender and have an entire other 'gender construct'

[reef fulcrum]

Of course it is. The sharing of knowledge and mutual understanding are always good things. Edit: [Just ask Vault Elder, right? lol.] No doubt; the world is confusing enough these days. If there's anything I truly believe in; it's truth/honesty/fact first and foremost and above all else.

[obsidian mason]

yeah i completely agree with that!

[sharp lichen]

I disagree with this ranking tbh. Each elder would probably have a specific niche in combat, otherwise one would conquer all the others.

The Isle Elder would be frail, but able to utilize long ranged attacks and support options with birds.

The Prairie Elder is the opposite- bulky and resilient, but unable to do anything at long range.

The Forest Elder is unpredictable and chaotic, using darkness powers and their hammer, but also prone to injury.

The Valley Elders don’t even use real weapons, only sports equipment, but they are dexterous and agile.

The Wasteland Elder is the most skilled when using weapons, but also slow and prone to accidents.

The Vault Elder would have wise and powerful magic, but they probably can’t move around a bit.

And the Eden Elder, being a Skykid, has even more specific strengths and weaknesses

[quiet solar]

was resh really a skykid?

[reef fulcrum]

Glass Cannon

Damage Sponge

All-Rounder

Rouge

Tank

Support Unit

||Antihero maybe? Resh is shrouded in mystery.||

[sharp lichen]

I disagree significantly. In Sky, clothing does not mean gender. Even if the clothes are gendered in real life, they’re not in Sky.

An example is the Season of Assembly clothes. In real life, these clothes are associated with Boy Scouts. (The clothes for Girl Scouts are very different). But in Sky, with gender being completely different, there’s just “Scouts”, with no gender distinction. Anyone can wear any style of clothes they wish.

[sharp lichen]

Yes, #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[sharp lichen]

It’s worth noting that grammatical gender ≠ actual gender.

It’s worth nothing the distinctions between canon (things we see in game) and fanon (things created by the players). Both are equally valid to use in #lore-discussion-spoilers , but are still different.

In canon, the spirits are referred to as they/them pronouns. But in fanon, many pronouns can be used to refer to the spirits.

[reef fulcrum]

I often find your choice of words to be impressively appropriate and mature, and this is no exception. Yours is a much more valid point than the one made before; for very significant centralized (in the game) reasons, which the two of us each were totally failing to consider.

However... Comparing your comment to the one before inspires some very mature questions about hypocrisy and controversy; which do not belong on this server. Considering that; I want to thank you for your opinion, but it's time this conversation ended. It's my fault anyway, we're even on the subject, so I'm gonna do the best thing I can think of right now, and just not respond on this topic anymore.

[sharp lichen]

The Eden Elder could be something like an engineer/mechanist

[harsh olive]

i wish real life was like this 😔

[sharp lichen]

So do I, but alas

In any case, here’s how I look like in Sky!

[reef fulcrum]

How do we know that Light is Good?
[Rhetorical]
I mean, Dark Plants are just trying to thrive, right? Maybe it's wrong for us to burn them. If Krills are just "hungry" then why do we refuse to feed them? All things considered, Light Creatures are the Dominant Lifeforms in this Ecosystem. Is this not oppressive? How do we know that the truly "right thing to do" isn't to yield control over to the Darkness?

I think it comes down to something I've talked a little bit about before.

Balance.

If left unchecked, Darkness would seek to entirely blot out the Light. Our goal is not to simply BURN EVERYTHING and illuminate every corner of existence. Dark Lives Matter too, and we know that there needs to be Balance in the universe.

(Unrelated to sky)
"When nothing exists to cast a Shadow, then tell me: What will be left for your Light to shine upon?"

That's why the wasteland is still Golden. Because there are Light Realms and Dark Realms. Isle and Prarie are obviously Light, but the Hidden Forest is the first Dark Realm. Then we get one more Light Realm (Valley) before the last two Dark Realms in a row. Eden exists as a Nexus in it's own Balance because it it's where the Calamity exists, but it's also the only way to Orbit. Argumentatively you could say that Orbit is the Light Counterpart to Dark Eden, but for brevity, I really only wanna talk about the six fundamental Realms.

I think that this pattern
( instead of )
is akin to one of my absolute favorite symbols.

[lost zephyr]

That’s an awesome observation! I agree with it.
The pattern you visualised does remind one of that symbol, yes, but it’s also perceived to me as the player slowly entering and exploring more of the dark realms as they get worse and worse

[sharp lichen]

Well, it’s mostly because we play as a light creature, and darkness is in conflict to them

But in a “neutral” perspective, you would be right

[cold sparrow]

I think the issue is that these plants and creatures like the krill are 'corrupted'
They're not darkness in balance, they're the result of light and darkness being out of balance
We can see how darkness crystals in their natural state existed in the Prairie Peaks... Just there, glowing brighter when a creature of light steps close
That is how it was meant to be
Not the festering, ever expanding growth of darkness that traps and feeds on light

[native galleon]

Yeah, I agree with natural darkness having its place in forest and prairie peaks, wasteland as well since there are mines, but i don’t think wasteland was ever supposed to get that bad

[latent tendon]

It probably got worse during the war as we see a clear wasteland ( two embers ) but there's a thing I've noticed. Darkness in the game is mostly shown with 2 colours that being
Red and Blue

Blue being darkness in a more 'natural' from
And
Red being under the influence of the eye of eden or whatever

So why is the golden wasteland presented in the game with a green haze rather than, a purple haze? Purple works for the late evening Wasteland is supposed to represent and it definitely has natural darkness and is also affected by the eye of eden so why did they choose green to display it?

[latent tendon]

WAIT

[sharp lichen]

Yeah

[latent tendon]

Uhm what is that supposed to mean

I always thought red darkness was like alien/unnatural

[sharp lichen]

I think white (the pure color of light), could’ve been split into blue (unlit darkness) red (corrupted darkness) and green (remains)

[latent tendon]

That happens using prisms right
And the power diamonds r shaped like prisms if I'm not wrong?
So were the elders harvesting red darkness?

[sharp lichen]

I think the blue darkness was used as power source

Red darkness is the most dangerous

And wasteland is just ignored

[reef fulcrum]

Purple Haze is a song by Jimi Hendrix.
Maybe he should've used green instead?

[latent tendon]

Why would the green waste product concentrate in wasteland

Ok so let ke get this straight they were using darkstone to separate white light into 3 parts

Blue was used to power most of the technology we see

Red and Green were waste products?

Is it possible the eye of eden was made to make the process of separation faster cause like its just a giant power diamond isn't it.

And what does cyan light have to do with green darkness

[sharp lichen]

Cyan light doesn’t come from Wasteland

Do you remember which place is right next to Wasteland?

[native galleon]

you cannot eat money oh no

no joke i was clearing out my camera roll the other day and i found some variations of this screenshot saved on no less than five (5) separate occasions

i think about it so much

oh btw i updated this again (ft. the two embers trailer)

[lyric imp]

Technically an octahedron could work as a prism, but it's not really a usual shape for one

[lyric imp]

I've always pictured blue as the colour of sprawling darkness that encapsulates things. To me it's a colour of trapped light in a sense. Red, on the other hand, seems too be the hungry kind of darkness that violently rips out and devours light. Yeah, you could argue that in some sense they're different degrees of the same thing

[trim mural]

still imagining those two ( )casually twiddling their thumbs at the temple and flinging the lights to battlefield without a care

[native galleon]

i don’t think it’s without a care, but like, it definitely happened (imo!!!!! allegedly!!!!)

[mild iron]

(SkyKid is default moth height)
These are two of the main weapons from the Golden wasteland
This means that there probably were giants wielding this or Great Swords and basically Ballista bolts are common weapons in war

Two other shield variants
Spears seem to have a barbed head
Swords are single edged and they do not have a hilt as it might of rotted off if it was wood.

[rapid latch]

Meanwhile akari: KATANA

[hushed steeple]

.
.
"Agrument against light waist theory"

This is the first time I heard of red and green light being waist😅
Is this a discusion I missed from before, becouse I dont think there's any evidence of that in-game or lore wise

I think people are confusing blue/red cristals with blue,red....light energy and colour design of the game
(NOT THE SAME THING)

[hushed steeple]

Crysals in there row state are naturaly blue, and remain blue even after being refined

Red crystals are a corupted version of the regular crystals
They are however not a different type of crystal or waist product.
All red crystals of all sizes and shape are all fragmants of the giant red crystal in edan

The eruptions are preaty much proof of that

[dreamy orbit]

Golden Wasteland Elder

[hushed steeple]

The reason why I agrue against this idea of light energy being seperated and red/green being dengerous or waist energy is becouse.....well....

We've already seen what happenes when you devide up the light eneegy in seperate spectars

And its got no conection what so ever with the colour differences of the crystals or the colour phylosophy of light/dark creatures

[lyric imp]

Thought about it. My theory was that spells are canon and size alteration was used in war. The problem with this theory is that we see the battle in the concert version of 'seed' and the combatants are normal size. I treat it as a plain inconsistency

[hushed steeple]

There is also the Two-embers animation trailer.
Its just 1 secund, but it shows wariors in regular size in battle, with a krill flighing above them

[hushed steeple]

Technicly these arent mutually exclusive. There could still be size change used in battle, even if most of them fight in regular size

Though we must consuder that in the end stages of the war, most of the light energy would have been used up, with no functioning factory's or safe suply chains to refill the power for spells and energy weapons, so most of the ancesters would have had there final battles useing balistas,catapults and traditional combat

All the functioning factoys and suply chains for light energy would have focused on finishing the edan crystal

[shy blade]

i dunno maybe there where like a few really big guardians that where there to protect the fault of knowledge

[valid vortex]

I have a theory that the manta that follows us in forest is the same one that gets krilled in wasteland, and then turns into a spirit in vault. I’m not sure if that last is true tho cuz we see the bones of the vault manta, so yeah

[sharp lichen]

That could be true, but we see so many mantas in Valley

[hushed steeple]

In universe, probably not
But it does make meta sence, with the mantas we interact with being stand in for the whole species, and there developmant through time and the different kingdoms

[mild iron]

There are multiple weapons of the same size though

[dreamy orbit]

Wasteland Elder was one of those kinds of soldiers ig

[viral bay]

I'm back from the dead

Could someone remind me of all the weapons that are present in Sky as a whole?

[lyric imp]

Spears and swords on the battlefield, catapult in graveyard, dismayed hunter's bow

[burnt spoke]

Random Sky lore question, is there an answer as to why the rain from hidden forest hurt us but the bodies of water there dont ?

[sharp lichen]

My answer: Water to Skykids are like pebbles to us: stepping on a pebble doesn’t hurt us humans, a pebble dropped on us could hurt us a little bit, hundreds of pebbles constantly falling on us will slowly take a toll.

[burnt spoke]

!! that sorta makes sense speciall if the theory of Sky kids being made out of clay or a similar material

[cold sparrow]

a popular opinion is also that the water in forest and wasteland (where just standing in a puddle hurts you too) are polluted by darkness/darkstone

[shy blade]

Why they swim though

[burnt spoke]

mhh true but im pretty sure (could be wrong tho) that its only the rain that hurt us? like when you just step on the water inside the caves it doesnt put the light down

[sharp lichen]

I think it’s a combination of the darkness pollution, the water, and the speed of the rain falling on you

[shy blade]

I think sky kids have literal echo location ju know how because of the calls it can already be used to kinda find your way

[unkempt canyon]

I’m trying to learn about Resh and the war over the Eden diamond. Can anyone link me to some info?

[sharp lichen]

The Elder Elder (Resh) built the diamond, but it absorbed all the light creatures and shattered. This caused the devastation in Eden and the death of the spirits, as well as the Shard eruptions. Also, in the elder memory, we see the Eden Elder falling into the diamond

[reef fulcrum]

That last sentence is definitely a matter of opinion. The Elder Memory is very abstract, and what could be interpreted as the Eden Elder may be instead Rising Out Of the diamond, or that may be all that remains of their body being obliterated by it, or that may not be the Eden Elder at all.

The point is, I certainly can't be sure enough to make a solid dispute for it, but it's not exactly spelled out as such. @unkempt canyon it's definitely one of most (if not the single most) obscure pieces of History in the World of Sky. Studying Resh and the War will drive us all mad, lmlo.

[plucky monolith]

So sorry to jump in here but where are you guys reading about the lore??

[sharp lichen]

Check pinned messages

But also, things like murals, and details outside the game like the shattering poems

[frank cedar]

Discovered with the camera today the kids in this WL have masks. It’s only these two.

I always took it as metaphorical, but they seem have a very clear tie to skykids specifically with this

[leaden field]

Aren't they the past sky kids?

[frank cedar]

What do you mean? Do we know what WL are? Either way these stand out against the others

Genuine questions, I don’t keep up with these things very closely and I’m probably missing info

[leaden field]

Ohh those are winged light and not the freed statues. I'm not thinking quite right haha. There is a theory I think where the wl comes from those statues though

[versed mirage]

Question, what is this

Is this what that castle used to look like?

[sharp lichen]

Okay… what???

This is such a tiny detail and I’ve never noticed it

[sharp lichen]

If you flip it upside down, it looks exactly like the

I think it’s a representation of the Eden Elder

[versed mirage]

I would say that except it has the castle on top

Or something that closely resembles it

[sharp lichen]

The problem is, it’s too small to be an actual castle

[versed mirage]

The proportions in the memory are weird, with the elders being almost as big as the Eden shard

[lyric imp]

I like to interpret the thing at the top as the king's crown

[lyric imp]

Tertiary sources about the lore basically don't exist lmao
It makes it pretty hard to get into at first

[soft pivot]

I figured it was a spell gone wrong. If you go to ark, the murals on the boat show stars falling, and the people turning them into spells.

I think the elders tried using starlight/spell energy essentially, to try and do something with the Eden Crystal/dark stone. Clearly it went wrong.

But it must have been a big thing, because all of the elders were there.

[lyric imp]

Have you seen the shattering poems?

[soft pivot]

I haven't, I joined in Aurora and unfortunately missed season of shattering

[pastel brook]

just reach out for The Light

[lyric imp]

Check pinned messages. Those poems shed some light on crystal lore

[mild iron]

There is just this thing too in the very beginning of the journey does it mean anything? Maybe

[soft pivot]

Those are offerings from spirits that have a very pilgrimage vibe. The spirit at the start of that tunnel shows him and friends making a long trek to leave those at the pseudo alter there. Maybe as a way of giving offer or prayer to the boat, symbolizing them preparing for the passage journey. That's my head cannon for it anyways

But yeah the poem even says stars.
"Bare at the precipice
Unseen fractures crumble in the chasm
The stars under fathomless weight
Reaching to light and to dark
Carrying memory of all that was held
In the final moment of shattering"

Memory spells are possibly the best known spells in the game. What if sky is a memory spell, running on the Eden Crystal, and we're interacting with the memory, pulling spirits who got stuck in it at the 'moment of shattering.'

Like if all the realms are just the moment of the shattering, forever frozen, on loop cause of a massive spell gone wrong?

[plucky monolith]

This is something I vibe with hard, because my og interpretation was the kingdom of Sky was destroyed (shattered) by one significant event which had a bunch of spirits trapped and unable to either escape or return to the stars
the “elders” I assumed were the guardians of the realms. The Vault elder in particular is the saddest elder and they almost want to beg you to not go ahead (into Eden) but they have no choice but to let you go

I think the elders attempted to cast a spell using the end crystal and it went horribly wrong and so in a desperate attempt to save the spirits from the shattering they cast what you said, a powerful memory spell, to keep Sky a place suspended in time.
Endlessly shattering and endlessly reliving

[sharp lichen]

I think it’s proximity based. The realms that are closest (Valley, Wasteland, etc.) are stuck in a permanent time of day, while the outer areas, like the Prairie Peaks, experience a semi-normal day cycle. And at the very center of Eden, where time is distorted the most, Skykids can still move around normally, since they can practically ignore the effects of time

[soft pivot]

"Suspended in time."

This kind of supports why so much of the Kingdom is in pieces. In Valley, in the citadel, top right corner, the tower part is broken. And pieces of stone are floating in mid air. Granted, this isn't the only place, but it's a great example. Remembrance area also has lots of floating bits.

I think, (and this is totally my interpretation so obviously other people probably have their own versions), I think "the shattering" actually shattered space time.

It holds up to sky essentially being a memory and frozen, but it busted space as well, because so much is just literally broken and floating in mid air.

It also explains how Vault is technically two (three?) Places all at once.

In Vault, you're in 'space' like orbit, pretty much in the after world, not really sky, but orbit.

Then you exit Vault into Eden. Suddenly, Vault is VERY physically there, solid place. No more stars, just more broken stone. And in Eden, you can see the actual top of Vault as a rounded building. So Vault exists both as a spacey, star filled orbit place, and a physical location of brick and stone building.

Vault was the closest, so it was the most effected, being stuck in-between worlds. Worlds meaning the world of life and light creatures and sky people, and the world of the afterlife.

Next closest was wasteland and...I mean. It's really, really broken, but that could be from the war.

Valley has the broken pieces like I mentioned, but going back further, prairie and Isle are barely touched by any obvious signs of shattering.

Forest I don't include in this, because the forest elder was ONLY concerned with her inventions, stone, creations, etc. I try to imagine her as Entrapta from She-Ra, because if I think of her actions as that of a hyper fixated creator/inventor, I don't see her as a selfish being who basically helped destroy the world. Sorry I'm rambling I can't sleep 😅

[soft pivot]

I never considered the times of days and different realms having sunset/day break etc. That's brilliant.

[slim mango]

Regarding how spirit with cape have 1 wing level, it seems for the little prince have 1 wing level too. (Look at the rose logo on his cape)

[lyric imp]

This is my reason to believe all living humanoids require 1 wl to manifest in a physical form

[sharp lichen]

That’s a good theory, but it’s worth noting they probably still had floating islands before the shattering.

[sharp lichen]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[lyric imp]

Imo lack of day/night cycle doesn't need explaining like this because it's been implemented for reasons other than the most literal layer of lore (doesn't mean we can't do it)

[sharp lichen]

Shattering, Aurora, Passage, and Moments show that a day/night cycle is possible and liked by TGC

But they only use it sparingly

[soft pivot]

Sanctuary does make this difficult. In 'floating islands' in regular prairie, they're in clouds and that's an easy explanation. When the realms were linked, the clouds formed paths etc etc and held them together, but in sanctuary, it's just blocks of floating land.

It's unfortunate there's so little cannon, which makes it hard to find something with continuity.

I do think the spell gone wrong was them trying to link their world with the afterlife world. Maybe they didn't understand why just thought it was another realm there to be added to their world? I dunno.

That's the other thing; day night cycle is inconsistent. Floating bits of stone or land are inconsistent. I would give anything for some official confirmation of ANY part of this 😩

[lyric imp]

Yup, the main reason for realms staying the same way was the layer of symbolism where sky journey was supposed to mean life.if e.g. valley could have different times of day, it'd lose its association to sunset

[lyric imp]

Imo shattering happened due to the crystal being infused with lots of souls of creatures who suffered because of being trapped in it. Imo it fits the game's overall vibe and message - the crystal was unstable since its creation. Something that's based on suffering doesn't really need specific action to break

[soft pivot]

I avoid reef because of that. The whole area feels so spooky to me, knowing what they did there.

I hope next season has some more lore for us. 🙂

[sharp lichen]

But we also see floating islands in the Prophecy murals

[lyric imp]

Don't we also see a floating island in trailer?

[sharp lichen]

Also, the Eden castle itself is floating

[soft pivot]

The entire cave of prophecy I don't really include in the rest of the sky stuff. Everything there seems... For lack of a better word lol, prophetic.

Everything you face there prepares you not only for the different realms, but Eden specifically, especially fire and air.

The cave, in my interpretation, is so spell heavy and purposefully created, the same rules of space and time and general physics are wildly different from the rest of the realms.

To be fair, I haven't looked into cave nearly enough, I'm not sure it's actual origin or if it was ever explained.

Eden Castle can't really be used as an example, that's where all hell broke loose. It's the most affected, damaged area in game.

[lyric imp]

Eden castle existed before shattering, too, though (it floated too as far as i can recall)

[soft pivot]

But was it always floating, and if so, was it suspended there when the realms were first connected?

Because the Castle also looks broken. There's a kind of circle, the castle on top, two broken bits to the left and right sides, and a broken bit on the bottom.

[lyric imp]

Interesying point. I never considered air and fire to be preparation for eden. I'd say cave is definitely very... Different. Trials seem to be pretty much pocket dimensions.
It's hard to say if it was purposefully created. Imo trials could as well be elements made manifest and the cave might be merely a man-made sanctuary for something much more primordial

Especially that according to murals it seems like elemental lights are retreived from trials by the chosen one. To me it wouldn't make much sense if ancestors created the trials, since there'd be no point putting the elemental lights there

[trim mural]

correct me if im wrong but aren't some of the other lights (besides the main 4 in trials) present in nature too? there's some murals leading up to the cave showing lights outside of the trial* or was this indicative of what they do

edit: typos

[lyric imp]

Timeline is unclear. Notably, iirc during some of the aurora concert songs castle is there despite the events clearly being early in the timeline. I can't quite recall the details rn, so i might be misremembering some things

[pastel brook]

you have a home in the Sky Queendom!

[soft pivot]

I figure it could be one of two things: the sky people made the cave and it was literally some sort of 'we had a vision and the chosen one needs to prepare' and it was created with the purpose of finding the one who could make it through (and complete Eden) even though all the trials would be preparing the one for a future far, far off.

Or.

Nobody made it, it's a place that was found and they went through the pocket dimensions, because they absolutely feel like that. And the prophecy was built around something they found and didn't fully understand.

I think I'm leaning towards the second, especially because if the chosen one retrieved the elementals from each trial, it wouldn't have made sense for them to put them there if no one could make it through the trials to begin with

The murals were painted by them, after, obviously

[lyric imp]

True. I'd argue they could be the same elemental lights that started out in trials, went through the hands of the elders and were lost. Now they are where we know them to be. Tbh i'm not really sure about this theory either but it would be very weird and unintuitive for 4 lights to have canonically two copies

[soft pivot]

I also think the chosen one/Resh is kind of a bad dude overall, because if you look at the murals, there's parts where he's just gleefully grabbing the elements with bodies all around him. Yes, it's a really simplistic mural and it can be interpreted in many ways, and maybe it's just trying to show him as victorious after the trial....but there's no sadness anywhere, in any of them, about all the lost and fallen children

[lyric imp]

I'm slightly confused about when the prophecy murals were painted, but i've always assumed it was before the events that the murals present, as it would fit the theme of prophecy.
Also, when the chosen one completed the trials, eden wasn't yet a hellscape that was hard to traverse. Most likely the chosen one contributed to building eden and became its elder... Or something

[soft pivot]

I thought it was after, because don't the murals appear after you do each trial? Like the cave fills more and more with pictures? I honestly can't remember it's been a while

[lyric imp]

Yup, that's how it goes

[soft pivot]

This is where I see the prophecy part. Eden has crazy winds, parts that are tricky to jump through, krill, rocks, etc etc etc. Back in the day, they would have no idea any of that was coming. The trials prepare you for something that didn't exist yet: prophecy. That's how I saw it

[lyric imp]

I just imagine them appearing doesn't represent them getting painted at a given time, only revealed to us specifically. Not sure exactly what's going on there tho

[lyric imp]

Oh, actually sounds pretty reasonable to me

I also like to interpret trials as representing kingdom eras, though i'm not sure how much evidence there us of it

[soft pivot]

Also, about chosen one in the murals looking way to eager; It would kind of stand to reason that if back then, he was so focused on grabbing the light he never noticed the death...later on, their absolutely callous treatment of the light creatures is right on track.

This is kind of how I figure all the 'light and dark' stuff comes into it. People have good and bad in them. Light and dark. You need to accept both sides of your for balance.

At the end, you're the shadow kid and you go hug your light self. Or is it the other way around? Sorry I'm tired and fading fast lol

But you are both parts light and dark. Just like at the top of the Eden memory, the wing light you grab there is the final part of you doing Eden; hugging the other one before flying upwards into orbit

[lyric imp]

Water - pre-kingdom, world dominated by tides
Earth - kingdom being built, times of relative prosperity, albeid accompanied by stagnation
Air - kingdom's technological ascent and rise of the king. Notice how the peak of air resembles eden temple structures
Fire - shattering, king's death, descent into ruin

[soft pivot]

I've always been hesitant to theorize about time line because it's so hard to get any kind of handle on what happened when.

Some is easy; passage was VERY early on and shattering came later.

But the rest could fit in so many different orders, I try not to think on that until we have some kind of official time line. (Which will probably be never 🥲)

[lyric imp]

Possible. I personally wouldn't go that deep with the chosen one ignoring peers' death, but soulds like a valid interpretation

[lyric imp]

Salem at some point pretty conclusively proved that despite commonly held belief, king's birth seemed to come very late in the timeline

[soft pivot]

Probably not ignoring, I agree on that. But just less affected, or distracted or something.

Random extra bit unrelated to this; I think krill are the shadow self of the whales.

Resh was born later. Hmmm. I gotta run through the game and check a bunch of this out lol I'm going to try and crash, I can't believe I'm up so late

Thank you for everything in this discussion, I have so much more to look into now 🙂

[sharp lichen]

I think it was mostly a reference to enchantment, showing where the lights are most "comfortable" at in nature.

To me, it goes like this:

-The Prophets descend and inhabit the Cave of Prophecies.

-They foresee a Chosen One, and thus students are trained. They use the power of the elements to create the trials and improve the cave.

-The Chosen One gets all the elements, and shares the knowledge throughout the sky kingdom, giving it to many important spirits

[lyric imp]

Salem's line of reasoning was as follows: ushering stargazer's memory contains a child falling from the sky. In that same memory you cpupd see rejecting voyager with their characteristic boat mask, possibly suggesting the two were married or sth. Then, in prophecy mural you see the chosen one being waved to by 2 ancestors, one of them with the boat mask.
Hence, the king's birth was contemporary to those two spirits. However, i think voyager's memory also has one of the lightseekers iirc. Essentially they were connected to spirits from different realms, ultimately leading to village if dreams through the line of connections.
Either ancestors lived incredibly long, or the king was born when valley was well-established and darkstone usage was in its prime

[lyric imp]

And regarding krills, consider abyss murals and abyss krills. Not saying all krills originate this way, but at least some seem to be some kind of corrupted mantas. We know from Jenova that all krills are corrupted something, but we're not sure what or if they all come from the same type of creature

[sharp lichen]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

Here's my interpretation of the season order

Prophecy, Passage, Sanctuary, Moments, the 4 vanilla seasons and TLP, Remembrance, Assembly, Enchantment, Dreams, Flight, Shattering, Performance, Abyss

[quiet solar]

theres probably a few seasons happening at the same time

[hushed steeple]

Thats honestly makes the most sence, since the rain in Priery peaks doesnt hurt us (or the rain in Arc dureing the event)

Its really only forest rain thats harmfull to us so far, and that place had heavy induatrialization and deforestation by the end.

[quiet solar]

rain in peak hurts us tho

[hushed steeple]

WAIT, IT DOES👀👀👀
you shure?

[hushed steeple]

Man I really should get around to exploring that region.
Been falling behind on my lore recently😅😅😅

[quiet solar]

in the quest with monk, it rains and it drains your light

it is still very likely that the rain was carried over from polluted rain from wasteland or forest

another area with polluted water is the polluted geyser in sanctuary, and it can be seen that an accident occured where a boat carrying containers and presumably darkstone crashed, and the darkstone possibly polluted the geyser

[hushed steeple]

Hmmm, that actually makes a lot of sence🤔
Geographycly, the Preary peacks are the end part of the mountain range that goes through Forest and then to Valley.
You keep going north west to get to the rain areas from Daylight temple, but Priery peaks is way out west, so they might be more conected to Forst then we thought🤔

[quiet solar]

rain clouds can travel for very long distances as well so its not impossible that prairie peaks has polluted rain even if it is far away from wasteland/forest

[hushed steeple]

For shure
Really just speculating on my part

I love natural geography and just speculating how this world works and how its conected.

[hushed steeple]

Hi, I've seen many theories where the mantas in vault (the transparent ones) are actually ghosts of mantas that lived before, is this true? I've also seen people say that the manta that gets krilled in the 1st krill area in wasteland is the same manta that we can 'revive' later in vault

[cold sparrow]

it seems more likely to me that those are projections come to life, memories of mantas that have been recorded by ancestors a long time ago that have now taken on a new form as the vault broke down and memory lanterns started leaking and warping everything

[cloud granite]

I'm very new to sky lore so I have some basic questions about it

so are the spirits;; dead? And canonically, they can just hang around as a spirit? Do they still live a "normal life"??? Like you know how some spirits just hangout in the music hall?

[compact shale]

1. Yes
2. Yes, after we either free them or ascend them.
3. What do you mean by "normal life" ?

[cloud granite]

Thanks for answering! And by normal life I mean existing (?) in the current world. Walking around, interacting with one another, playing instruments maybe

Sorta like how in season of flight they still somewhat live as a community

[compact shale]

Walking? As best as an incorporeal can, I suppose
Interacting? Yep, absolutely
Instruments? Surprisingly, yes. IDK how they hold it

[cloud granite]

I have been enlightened. Thank you so much!!

[hushed steeple]

That is very likely, considering how they just pop into existance out of nowhere as we work the lift

HOWEVER🤔
There might be more to them then just projections

All the locations that we find spirit mantas in Voult have fragmants of sceletons in the same area

And on the 4th flore has a moment where we kinda sort of resorect a tiny spirit manta from a corps (or perhaps grave)

Not saying that some kind of light magic or magi-tech is not used in there creation, that is likely exectly the case but they might be more spirit then projection at this point

[undone harbor]

We’re getting king lore Heheheheh

[hushed steeple]

👀👀👀👀👀👀

The inplications though🤔

[undone harbor]

The former world to give up its power???? Tgc how can you do this to us

[hushed steeple]

Obviacely we know they are DEFFINETLY 2 different kids now

[undone harbor]

People stop kids from running around and cause world events challenge:

[sharp lichen]

Yeah

For example, Sanctuary and Passage are probably during the “age of Elemental lights”

And the seasons with technological advancements (like Dreams and Enchanment) are together as well

[sharp lichen]

It’s similar to how ghosts interact with the world. They can’t really affect it, but they can still move around it.

However, most spirits stay in Orbit. The only ones that don’t are the seasonal guides, the traveling spirits, the yearly event spirits, and a few others

[hushed steeple]

It seams that with this the entire story and purpous of the king had been totally change from the ground up🤔🤔🤔🤔

[sharp lichen]

What??????

[undone harbor]

Which is great! They thought of this and we can finally be fed

[sharp lichen]

I guess I was wrong when I said this: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[sharp lichen]

Where did you get this from?? I want to see the article

[undone harbor]

Calling forth the lore elders from years before
We did it
We survived through the drought and we will rejoice in the first drops of rain

@sharp lichen https://venturebeat.com/games/how-sky-the-children-of-the-light-broke-records-for-most-simultaneous-people-on-the-screen-jenova-chen-interview/

[hushed steeple]

Well, perhaps the more sutible word is not "changed", but rather......
SPLIT

Like, the interpretations of the nature of the king, the benevolent ruler who try to save the world of sky, and the tragic figure who grew so obsesed with power that it leed to the destruction of themself and there loved ones..........
Are now embodied in 2 seperate characters

[sharp lichen]

Other things as well:

FACTS ABOUT THE SKY TWO EMBERS SERIES

-It will have no dialogue, but there will be narration

-It’s 10 episodes, around 15 minutes per episode.

-TGC started working on it two years ago, and they’ve changed the script a couple times already.

-Jenova Chen is the director.

-It becomes pretty dark in the latter half of the series.

[hushed steeple]

😍😍😍😍

[sharp lichen]

I think the wording is pretty vague.

Either: kid 1 gets destroyed and erased from history early on, while kid 2 gets motivated by that loss to become the Eden Elder

Or: Kid 1 and Kid 2 work together to become the king, but kid 1 gets destroyed

It’s also vague whether they’re ancestor spirits or Skykids.

[undone harbor]

Still
We are still getting king in one way or another

[hushed steeple]

Vegueness seams to be on purpuse, to keep some mistery until the show drops🤣🤣🤣

[sharp lichen]

The hype is building up

[hushed steeple]

I know right🤩

And 150min of sky lore content🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩

Well now we know why TGS has been so vegue/silant about any kind of lore (and why they preaty much erased any mention of the king so far)

[sharp lichen]

Not really, they did elaborate on it a bit with murals and stuff

But given they are now dead, there’s no way to really include the king proper in Sky

So in a series set in the past, they can finally elaborate on it

[hushed steeple]

They were reworking the entire mythology of sky into one deffinetive version, and wanted the freedom to experiment some more

[hushed steeple]

Yeah, your right😅
But then again,when did death stop the anceaters and elders🤣🤣🤣

[sharp lichen]

As in, destruction

There are no remains of the king left. Only tales of what they did

[hushed steeple]

I know☺️
Im just being hyperbolic here for effect😅. I know the king was erased from existance in universe and there is no way to interact with him in game....
(well unless the theory about the child of light at the end of edan is the last remnent of the king proves to be true🤔🤔
We will have to wait and see about that one😅)

Im just so exited that there will finaly be direct conformatin of his existance, unlike before

This animated series is gonna be the new testemant of sky lore🤣

[slim mango]

I think some spirit stays to watch performance at theatre village... 🤔

[hushed steeple]

Spirits seam to be getting more and more active in the world of sky as time goes on
Almost like the healing of the world and regular interaction with sky kids has alowed curtain spirits to have a greater presence in the mortal world

[abstract finch]

how do you guys think aurora plays into sky’s lore? it’s something i’ve been thinking about for a while but i don’t really have any ideas

[hushed steeple]

With it being a IRL colaboration, it does get kinda complicated
Onviacely the aroura we see in-universe has no conection to IRL aurora, but she could be a being that just hapens to be resemble IRL Aurora

[icy wing]

Yes, with Remembrance and then now Moments (and now I wonder if Abyss falls into that too)

[hushed steeple]

My asumption is that she started out as a ancester, but had somehow reached a kind of enlightenment🤔

[hushed steeple]

Just as you have regular ancesters, special ancesters and elders who have greater power, knowlige and controle over light, so did sky Aurora perhaps reached an elevated existance through her deeper conection and understanding of light and the world, and after reincartnation had somwhow become "one with the light"

[full ridge]

Buddha in Sky when?

[hushed steeple]

Kinda😅
Not THE sky buddha, but A sky buddha of sorts😅

[full ridge]

A few days ago I found something that I believed to be a view of the outside of the Vault Of Knowledge

Unfortunately it was just a visual bug

[hushed steeple]

Preary shure thats an glitch they never fixed.....
Oh, ok, so you figured it out😅😅

[full ridge]

I thought it was the Vault because I kept using my camera to zoom in and it looked a lot like the last floor 😔

[rapid latch]

Well, it is closer to Eden so it would make sense that the sky is red.

[sharp lichen]

I mean, most of valley has a red sky because it’s sunset

[hushed steeple]

Preaty much
All sky realms are conected with a time of day/age of humans/stage of civilization

Its part of the emotional/symbolic storyteling of sky

It shouldnt be taken overly literly lore wise though😅

[quiet solar]

it actually should as it does play a big part in the whole story, because if you think about it, the skykids are experiencing a moment frozen in time, which shouldnt be possible unless their world is entirely different or if the skykids have properties that bend time in such a way

there was someone talking about the potential cause of the frozen time in sky

[sharp lichen]

Here’s what I said: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[latent tendon]

Isn't the yeti slope eden view a known glitch?

[hushed steeple]

Well I use to think that too....
But the change in time that we see from the season of passage kinda confuses that asumption😅

[sharp lichen]

Well, the earlier realms do have time, but it’s still distorted

[raw moon]

Does anyone know what each of the different colored light symbolizes? Like blue would obv be water, purple is just kinda mystical, I think green is earth?

[quiet solar]

red is fire, light blue is air

[hushed steeple]

Hard to say
The coloured orbs are a leftover of the season of enchantman and part of that event, not a part of the original lounch

[sharp lichen]

For a simple explanation:

Teal is air
Dark Blue is water
Orange is Fire
Green is Earth/Nature

Red is Void/Darkness
Purple is Mind

[raw moon]

Ooh okay that makes sense thank u

[hushed steeple]

You didnt let me finish😡
I wasnt saying they didnt have meaning
Just that its not a clear cut deffinetive answer

[sharp lichen]

We have hints from the enchantment quests and a sense of what powers they have

We see the colored lights in Sanctuary, Prophecy, Aurora, and Passage, as well as Days of Bloom ‘23

It’s not just a leftover

[hushed steeple]

I know that, I was getting to it
You didnt let me finish😅

[sharp lichen]

I’m sorry, the slowmode here is such a pain

Continue on

[quiet solar]

they fear what we will wreak if the bars are lifted

[hushed steeple]

Never mind😅
You got it moatly right

[sharp lichen]

It is annoying how this channel, which is not that active, has a longer slowmode than #general-sky-discussion

[quiet solar]

and eden has no cooldown 😭😭😭😭

[hushed steeple]

Unfortunatly I have to go now

I apologyse for bursting out like before

That was not right to do

Just one last note
Green can also be air, as its found in bird nest which is all floating islands, and green is the colour of air in prophesy

[lusty merlin]

Isint Green for the earth trail though? Cyan light is used in the air trail

[raw moon]

There's like two that look green. But I'm assuming ur talking about the yellow-green one. Im prophecy yellow green is earth, but then in the art, the yellow green light has an air symbol? (Air symbol as in an upright triangle with a line in it, as opposed to upside down) So that's why I was asking earlier cuz I didn't know if blue-green or yellow-green was earth. (And also cuz I didn't know what red and purple were)

[hushed steeple]

Ok bye

[sharp lichen]

Yellow green (or chartreuse) is earth

Blue-green (or cyan) is air

Red is the first Enchantment quest, purple is the last

[fair sand]

Idk If I should ask this here, but from whom's creature is the skull that the geologist offers?

[quiet solar]

zero clue, my best bet is whale

[sharp lichen]

It could be an animal that no longer exists

[quiet solar]

perhaps

[lyric imp]

what

I have a bad feeling about the script having been rewritten several times. This makes not that much sense, but

[lyric imp]

Two embers

[sharp lichen]

All season’s cultural origin:

Enchantment: Middle Eastern

Prophecy: Many cultures

Dreams: East Asian

Assembly: American (Boy Scouts)

Flight: Inuit and Siberian

Abyss: Nordic (possibly British)

Remembrance: Early 20th Century American/British

Passage: Possibly Ainu

Moments: Mexican

[lusty igloo]

hello guys i have a question! i‘m very new to this lore thing, but i‘ve always been wondering what the spirits were before they died, maybe my question is too obvious but i thought i‘d still ask: are the spirits, elders and skykids the same species? same race? or are they different? are spirits grown up skykids that died or are they different beings? are elders like gods or are they more like earthly rulers?

i just wanted to ask the lore experts here what they know

[sharp lichen]

TLDR: No, no, yes, different beings, unsure

Elders we know the least about. They seem to be similar to the spirits, but they have vastly different powers.

Spirits and Skykids are different species entirely. After all the spirits died, the Skykids came from the stars to rebuild the world.

We can see this because even the youngest spirits are much bigger than Skykids

[lusty igloo]

ohh that‘s interesting, do you know if spirits and elders are of the same race?

[hushed steeple]

Depends on how you look at it
Im not 100% shure if the two have the same origin. Its possible that they might have been ancesters at first and then were blessed to become elders later, or they might have incarnate on earth as elders from the begining.
Early concept art mentons that they were "chosen" to become the leaders of the sky regions, but how much of that is cannon now is debatible
Whatever the case, they are far bigger and more powerfull then the other ancesters, have a deeper conection to "The Light" and are immortal ( dont die from aging)

Ps Its comman to refear to the spirits before they died as ancesters

[sharp lichen]

Not definitively. I’m leaning a bit more towards being related to the spirits, but not exactly the the same.

[hushed steeple]

GENEOUS🤩🤩🤩🤩
I kinda assumed some of the seasons, but never put it together that each takes inspiration from different cultures

There is of course also Sanctuary with modern summer vecation culture too😅

[sharp lichen]

Sanctuary is a bit harder to pin down, they seem to be based on Sky’s creatures

[hushed steeple]

maby someone else in the chat can think of something for sanctuary🤔

[sharp lichen]

First you have the Sky original ones: the ultimate cape, the jelly hair, the butterfly cape, the manta jumpsuit, the bowtie, the sunhat, and the ever controversial sunglasses

Then you have the modern clothing, such as the cargo pants, the sunhat, and the ever controversial sunglasses

[daring chasm]

Wrote this in gen chat:
ohh hell yeah the eden king. the fallen elder. I believe he first discovered the mighty power the dark stones have and ended up getting corrupted by the sheer power they held. a huge responsibility. its like how money changes people!.. I think the eden king wanted to harvest as much darkstone as possible for himself to become even more powerful. but the land needed the dark stone to thrive and live on. the other elders couldnt let him take it all away. the eden king built a mountain to save the last of his powers when he was killed in the war. since then the mountain remains corrupted and dangerous from the kings selfish heart.

• the war happened bcs the elders fought back to protect their land

[pastel brook]

Fineeee, gather around the bonfire, I'm going to play a lullaby for you!

[sharp lichen]

To be honest, I think the war was a lead up to the Eden Diamond. It seemed more of a civil conflict within Wasteland rather than a world war

[unreal dragon]

Can anyone quickly recap sky lore? I’m super lost about king and diamond fall stuff idk

[sharp lichen]

The “King” is never directly referred to by name, it comes from concept art mostly. What we see in game include: Season of Prophecy murals, Eden murals, and the final Shattering memory. We can assume the King ruled well for a while and was well-liked. However, they created the Eden Diamond, which at first was benign, but eventually shattered and destroyed the kingdom.

In terms of other basic lore, this document can help: https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

[hushed steeple]

Well the diamond is the giant red crystal you see at the end of edan
It was the pinicle creation of the old civilization, and its malfunction and eventual coruption lead to the creation of of the etrnal storm that rages around edan and the neighboring lands, as well as the spread of darkness and basicly the eventual end of the old world

[daring chasm]

well there is a giant statue of the king in eden aka more like after eden

[lost zephyr]

To spark some discussion, can anyone explain to me what ‘The Light’ is? something something megabird??

[white depot]

my perception of the light is that its just the life source for everything. something that created the children, spirits and the creatures and gave them life as well. its where we come from and where we go to eden to be reborn. during the game play you trade light in various forms for other forms - collect wl, to give them to the statues in eden, so that you can get ascended candles, get wing buffs for ac, strengthen wing power just like when collecting wl. its the source, the matter and the life, what basically gives purpose to everything in the game.
it creates itself to collect itself to transform itself.
the light becomes corrupted because of the creations misused it in some way. then somebody has to come and fix it, and thats us.

even the name itself children of the light basically hints that its where life is born, or given.

i dont know much about the megabird but i think it created all the children?? or the first fallen child?

[lost zephyr]

ohhhhhhh!!!! thank you !

[strong edge]

Here’s some nice pictures of the ||Orbit constellations ||

[white depot]

thats so pretty omg

will you mind if download those?

[strong edge]

Of course I don’t mind I especially love all of the constellations in sky, and some lore and story possibly related! Free for anyone to save some pictures and/or work of mine

[sharp lichen]

Here’s a compilation as well: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

There’s also a depiction on the Forgotten Ark

[strong edge]

Oh I love those!

[rich plank]

Does anyone have a list of all cultures Sky pulls from and maybe some attached images?

[sharp lichen]

All season’s cultural origin:

Enchantment: Middle Eastern

Prophecy: Many cultures

Dreams: East Asian

Assembly: American (Boy Scouts)

Flight: Inuit and Siberian

Abyss: Nordic (possibly British)

Remembrance: Early 20th Century American/British

Passage: Possibly Ainu

Moments: Mexican

I’ll post the images later

[rich plank]

thank you!

[cobalt palm]

Just catching up on this, but sounds like 2 Children one corrupted and one becoming a king is very much the corrupt king & Prince concept theories, only the one who becomes corrupted isn't the king, and the one who isn't corrupted becomes a king rather than Prince, but I guess that makes a lot more sense to what we see ingame. Maybe the "prince" in the theory is only prince while the other is being corrupted, before they are destroyed.
But the "relinquishing power" theme seems very Isle/Vault Elder to me.

[sharp lichen]

I think the first kid gets destroyed early on, and then the second kid uses that loss to further themselves and become a king

[cobalt palm]

I'm kinda hoping they both go down a similar path, but given a choice to help others against helping themselves is the dividing line. I'm thinking around episide 3-4 the split, then by 8-9 the full corruption of one and rise of the other, still holding out for that Eden shattering explosion finale idea

Also, you know they are going to be related in some way, either actual kinship or friendship that makes the one to become king bittersweet

[sharp lichen]

Enchantment I have the least information on, but the hats appear to be based on the Sikh turban, the Greek Phrygian cap, and the Central Asian kalpak. The hairs seem familiar to me, but I can’t pinpoint it unfortunately.

Prophecy: A bunch of gods here, and it’s the most diverse season in terms of origins.

Dundun Ilayu from West Africa

Anubis, Egyptian god

Camazotz, Mayan god

There’s also the Chinese guardian lion and Japanese hakama that Prophet of Fire’s clothing is inspired by

[cobalt palm]

The crab walker in enchantments headdress did remind me of a shemagh or keffiyeh, but there are probably multiple influences

Being in a sandy region, especially exploring those caves makes sense, as it both keeps the sun off of you, and you can use it as a scalf over your face to protect against sand and storms

[sharp lichen]

Dreams is pretty easy, besides all the animal masks. I couldn’t find an origin for them. Also, what on earth is the Hermit wearing??

The ever controversial “East Asian” gat

The Pipa

And the Changshan

The Season of Assembly clothes have a bit of natural/ makeshift elements, like the flower crown and pot, but it’s mostly based on outfits from Boy Scouts, with a possible inspiration from either Cub Scouts or Girl Scouts.

The Season of Flight’s heavy emphasis on blue makes it difficult to find exact matches.

-Aviator goggles

-Inuit parka

-Buryat clothing from the Russian Far East

[sharp lichen]

For the Season of Abyss, the multitude of bearded hairstyles are probably from Norse cultures. However, there are other influences.

Irish bucket hat

Hasidic spodik

Scale armor (possibly)

[misty saddle]

Seeing this we need a sky season bassed of south america native culture

[sharp lichen]

Skipping the other 2022 seasons, Remembrance mostly uses very simple clothes, like scarves, headscarves, and aprons.

However, the pleasing child has an American drawstring hoodie and newsboy cap

The Season of Passage clothing is similar to one another, almost like a school uniform, but it’s also based on traditional Ainu clothing.

I don’t think there’s anything specific, but here’s some images I found

[sharp lichen]

Season of Moments’ clothing is mainly based on Mexican clothing. The poncho and cowboy hat were mainly worn by the Mexican “vaqueros”, known in English as the buckaroos or cowboys. After America took over the northern Mexican territories, it become immortalized in American culture.

The Reassuring Ranger’s hat is a pinch front cowboy hat.

The ultimate hat is a brick cowboy hat.

And the poncho is worn very similarly to Clint Eastwood in his famous “spaghetti westerns”.

@rich plank Here’s all of them!

[rich plank]

Thank you!

[nova meadow]

YALL I WAS READING THROUGH AN INTERVIEW WITH JENOVA AND THE NEW ANIMATED SERIES IS MENTIONED AND OMG-

"It tells the story of two children, and the drama about the two of them trying to help people. One of them seeks power to change the world, but in the process he’s corrupted and destroyed. The other one tries to save the world by convincing the former world to give up its power. The boy becomes a king."

I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE ABOUT THE PRINCE/KING OF EDENNN
(And it could also explain why in the final shard memory in Season of Shattering, the winged light has two figures hugging eachother. This could be that pair from the series!!)

[empty belfry]

That does make sense considering eden seems to have multiple cameos. I like this!

[proper granite]

What is dundun illayu 😭😭😭😹

That is gangan “talking drum”

[proper granite]

Incase👆

[arctic sphinx]

oh shoot, my theory is gonna be refuted as the animated project release

[unkempt flint]

I was told to pop in here with an interesting "shower thought"
What does the glowing sky kid represent in the end where you hug it? Any ideas or creative things you guys have in mind?

[sharp lichen]

Sorry, I meant dundun iya'lu

[proper granite]

Still not the name

I’m from Nigeria so “no one calls it that here” maybe it’s a random internet name for the drum

[sharp lichen]

I pulled the source from here: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[mild iron]

What creature did these bones come from?

[lost jay]

I've had this idea that the glowing kid is the king. After the Shattering that destroyed Sky and made that storm, he sacrificed himself to be put in this liminal space between eden and orbit. Or maybe it was a form of retribution.

Based in concept art from Tom Zhao, it is possible for Sky kids to lose all their light/flame but still have a body and/or soul. I believe a sky kid is made up of a physical body, a soul and light/flame. This light is what keeps the sky kid going, allows them to be animated and move. Think of it as the battery of the sky kid.

That that light is also what connects them to the Megabird, allowing them to be reborn but without it they can't. This is were the glowing kid/king comes in. When we go through Eden we lose all our light, becoming just a body and a soul. So the king gives us his light to allow us to continue to orbit.

Since the king was kind of responsible for the destruction of Sky, and the main reason Sky kids were created was to essentially clean up the mess left behind by the ancestors, the least the king could do is help us out a however he can.

[copper saffron]

COME MARCH
WE FEAST

[lean kayak]

[stable thunder]

Apologies for mentioning another game but I’d just like to share my excitement-
I was reading up some trivia about the Persona game series when I chanced upon this about Edgar Allan Poe’s The Masque of the Red Death. Once I read this synopsis I immediately thought of Sky. The Velvet Room (Persona) and Vault (Sky) are based off the same room of the story!
Basically I never expected 2 vastly different games to share a common point

[rapid latch]

I wear passage cosmetics like the fur cape

I also wear the Hakama sometimes

But I also wear that changshan

I also play the shamisen in sky

[cobalt palm]

The masque of the red death is a great short story, and great analogy for multiple things.
I believe it is in the public domain now as well
https://poemuseum.org/the-masque-of-the-red-death/

[stable thunder]

Oooh.. thanks for sharing!

[lyric imp]

Basically what the person above said, but imo it's wl we're given by some next skykid who comes to rescue us when we are a statue. Wl is a kind of a vital force and being given at least one allows for rebirth

[quiet solar]

shamisen?? theres no shamisen in sky as of right now

[rapid latch]

There is

[unkempt flint]

Interesting!

[rapid latch]

I have a very diverse wardrobe of outfits I wear.

[pallid sequoia]

It's a whale! https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/Whales
You can see a living one in the distance when you fly from Valley to Wastes.

[lyric imp]

You're pribably right. The skull matches the one in underground cavern

[pallid sequoia]

(incidentally, the call you get from it is one of my favorites ^^)

[rapid latch]

Whale honk is the one i use

[viral bay]

*"…It’s 10 episodes, around two and a half hours all together. We started working on it two years ago. We’ve changed the script a couple times already. I’m the director. It’s always happened for a good reason. It becomes pretty dark in the latter half of the series.

…Early next year, around March, that’s when we’ll release the pilot episode. But we haven’t announced anything exact yet. The full trailer you saw, we’ll launch it around the global PC launch in November."*

RELEASE DATE ON THE ANIMATION AND PC LAUNCH LESGOOOOOO

[rustic glen]

where is this from?

[sharp lichen]

https://venturebeat.com/games/how-sky-the-children-of-the-light-broke-records-for-most-simultaneous-people-on-the-screen-jenova-chen-interview/

[echo moth]

is there any significance as to why your skykid glows slightly green when entering sanctuary? i wasn't able to play that season live

[native galleon]

Ok so, I’ve been speculating about the Two Embers trailer again after reading this, and I think I have a better idea of what (might!!) be happening in the trailer

[sharp lichen]

Seems to be a lighting bug

[sharp lichen]

The trailer’s the simple part. The long haired kid (ouppielover) and short haired kid (baldie) work together to journey across the Sky world.

And then in the description: However, ouppielover gets corrupted and dies. Baldie becomes the Eden Elder

[native galleon]

This makes it sound like 1) it’s going to be about the mysterious king figure, and 2) the king was not the only skykid. Also maybe if they do the trials and all, the one kid was chosen to be the king and the other kid wasn’t? But I don’t know that.

[echo moth]

awh i'll just go ahead and say the light energy of sanctuary manifests within u when u enter the area (sounds cooler that way)

[native galleon]

But it makes me think that this scene at the beginning of the trailer will actually, chronologically, be more toward the end of the show, because look at those king statues and Eden getting all dark. And then there’s this other kid who’s trying to change the world in a different way, I guess? I wonder how their paths will cross and what it will be like when they drift apart

Augh man if that’s the context then this other kid is probably feeling so defeated right there

[sharp lichen]

I think the “corrupted and destroyed” part somewhat implies ouppielover goes sometime early. The first kid is probably ouppielover, while the second kid is probably baldy.

If the episode structure had to be like this:

1. Ouppielover and Baldie see the Sky world crumbling and meet each other.

2. They contact adults, who volunteer to travel them across the Sky world.

3. They find the cave people in the latest trailer. (Possibly Prophecy)

4. Obligatory Prophecy episode because I said so

5. They venture to Forest, where they learn about the mining of darkstone

6. They venture to Valley, where they learn about how darkstone is used

7. They try to return to Wasteland, now war-torn and difficult to access. They see the effects of the war.

8. Baldie and Ouppielover make it to the Wasteland temple, but Ouppielover or their seal gets corrupted (either hit by a krill or darkstone poisoning).

9. Determined to go on, Baldy sees Ouppielover get destroyed and enters the Vault of Knowledge, certain to execute their plan.

10. Baldy makes it to Eden, where the light beam is being harvested. Inspired by ouppielover’s plan, they create the Eden Diamond to seal it and give the Sky kingdom limitless power. Shattering event and stars fall

This is just a guess of mine

[native galleon]

Also if the wasteland is already in pretty bad shape when these kids get there, that lends support to the idea of the king coming along later in the timeline to help save the world from a path it was already on

[sharp lichen]

Or, how about this:

Ouppielover (the long haired child child) is watching Baldy (the Eden Elder) execute their plans from afar

That’s why there’s the blue glow on top of the Eden mountain. It’s darkstone glowing by absorbing light, but to a massive degree.

[native galleon]

I think a lot of this could probably happen yeah!! Only thing is, in the screenshot i sent, ouppy is alive after baldy becomes king. If we’re inferring that based on the statues and the eden diamond already being there and all

[sharp lichen]

Maybe it would be like

Episode 9: Ouppielover feels remorse over their plan to get power, but Baldy goes all in and runs to Eden. The Eden Diamond will probably be in an “epic” cliffhanger scene

Episode 10: The Shattering. Baldy dies directly, maybe by falling in, while Ouppielover is corrupted by the darkness. Possible (?) recreation of the hugging scene

[native galleon]

Oh I like that idea

[sharp lichen]

I’m wondering, how much seasonal things will be referenced in TTE? Because we see lore that plays out similar to Prophecy

[rugged stump]

Dumb question but is it just absolutely confirmed Sky is not connected to Journey?

[sharp lichen]

Yes

[rugged stump]

Aw...

[waxen quest]

Oh wow it's been like almost a years since I've last been here and Baudshaw is still here

[quiet solar]

do you mean pipa? because the shamisen looks very different

this is a shamisen

this is a pipa

ingame the instrument is also played by hand and not using a bachi

[waxen quest]

WAIT IT HAS EPISODES WHAAAT

Shouldn't have left for so long I guess

Anything new lore related? Haven't played since the war survivors memories season or whatever that was

[rustic glen]

Sorry if this is offtopic, but are there any songs that remind you guys of Sky lore?

[waxen quest]

Unironically build our machine by dagames (yeah ik)

That is if those discussions about harvesting light creatures still matter to lore

BTW is there any new info about the Eden Elder? He just feels so important and so left out at the same time. And like what's the deal with Aurora? Is she like the little prince where its a may have happened may have not type deal?

[sharp lichen]

Gorillaz, especially Plastic Beach

“Distant stars; Come in black or red
I've seen their worlds; Inside my head

They connect; With the fall of man
They breathe you in; And dive as deep as they can

There's nothing you can do for them

They are the force between; When the sunlight is arising”

[sharp lichen]

IM SORRY I DONT REMEMBER YOU-

[waxen quest]

Yeah I figured and I mean rightfully so I've had so many names I might be multiple people as well

[sharp lichen]

What was your old name?

Passage and Moments are new.

||Passage is located in Isle of Dawn center, Moments is in the Prairie Caves||

[waxen quest]

Uhh that's a tought question

"Derek Zoolander", "idk the lore and I say dumb thing" off the top of my head, maybe something cirno related too

Also thx for the season names but funny thing is I played both of them for like 2 days total and got bored with the excuse being "all the best items are p2w and the story quests are not going anywhere"

[sharp lichen]

Passage is good with friends but a bit boring solo, but I think the Season of Moments was well executed, plus the camera as well.

And lorewise, the two have some stuff to offer

[waxen quest]

Passage is the flying masks one right?

Damn the boring one it is then 😵😵😵

[sharp lichen]

Seasons I didn’t mention:

Gratitude, too unfamiliar

Lightseekers, too blue

Belonging, too generic

Rhythm, too ???

Sanctuary: too based on Sky’s creatures

TLP: Too French

Performance: Too Rhythm

Shattering: Too edgy

Aurora: Too incomprehensible

[somber zealot]

What do you think of the following theory:
Just like the Elder statues in the temple project the will of the Elders, the home shrine manifests the will of Megabird, giving us daily missions to ensure that we keep up with our tasks?

[sharp lichen]

Maybe, but the lighting up of the Elder’s eyes makes me think it’s the will of the Elders

[rigid iron]

I've heard it was mentioned gratitude was inspired by Bhutan in a livestream, although I can't really confirm since I haven't seen it myself. Lightseekers seems to have some japanese influence though

These are the best comparisons I could find to some of the hairstyles, but I'm not from these cultures so it's a wild guess

yeah I can't find the livestream, i guess we can take alexdolly's word for it

[sharp lichen]

No offense, but I feel like with the earlier seasons were experimental with TGC rather than having an established theme. While I get Bhutan influences from gratitude and Japanese influences from Lightseekers, there’s still strange exceptions. Like the Season of Lightseekers with the posh “British” Crab Whisperer and the very Vault-like Thinking spirit.

I think it’s only until Enchantment in which the season’s cultural inspirations were clear-cut.

And I’m not saying the earlier seasons have less cosmetic cohesion, or that later seasons don’t take inspirations from many cultures at once. After all, look at Prophecy, borrowing cosmetics from three continents.

[rigid iron]

I mean, there's exceptions in even recent seasons. In moments, for example, nightbird whisperer and ascetic monk aren't really american western/mexican themed to the same extent that the other spirits are. I don't think the culture is the theme of the season, it's just a loose design inspiration most of the time.

[sharp lichen]

That is true. Nightbird Whisperer seems to be based off the Season of Flight clothes, but the inspiration is loose because the thick, warm clothes that the Flight spirits were wearing aren’t needed in Prairie.

I can’t believe I’m saying this, but Monk is my least favorite of the Moments spirits- sorry, don’t care for another generic Vault-inspired spirit

[rigid iron]

I actually like monk for the exact opposite reason I think they're pretty unique for a robed spirit compared to other seasonal spirits like, say, remembrance guide or (and it pains me to say this because they're a favorite) shushing scholar. I'm glad they got an interesting outfit instead of generic vault body type

[sharp lichen]

It's a bit sad to see that the vast, vast majority of spirits only fit into about half a dozen body types

[mental snow]

Its been awhile since I got into sky, is the dark king cannon since there’s a reference to his concept art in the animation trailer?

[cold sparrow]

The king exists in some capacity in canon, yes. There are hints to it all over the game. In what capacity exactly the king exists or existed we will probably learn with the release of the animation

[sharp lichen]

essentiallyJenova Chen said in an interview that "the boy becomes a king", but that's about all we know. It seems they're esentially doing a remake of the character found in concept art. We'll have to wait and see until the two embers releases

[distant wren]

Is it true that all the people in the world of sky is wiped out or there any survivors?

[sharp lichen]

none that we know of

[native galleon]

that’s so cute to think about them sending us on our little missions for fun and then giving us candles 🥺 as a treat

[quiet solar]

it would be very interesting if there is a season with a small community of ancestors that managed to survive

[hushed steeple]

Hmm, here is an idea🤔🤔🤔

I 100% shure its not gonna happen, but it might be fun to consider

Maby when the animated series finally comes out, there will be a season that deals with the past of sky.

In a far off super remote remote area of the world, we find a place where there are actual live ancesters, desendents of the ancesters who lived dureing the great war.

I imagine that they wont have too much knowlige of the past when we meat them, but as we help them out with whatever problem there facing, the ancesters slowly rediscover there past (atlantis the lost empire style😂) and so are able to tell us about it

After all, out of universe we will be learning the history of sky, so it would make good sinergy if in-universe the sky kids also learn all that we learned

[quiet solar]

oo that would be interesting

[hushed steeple]

Wait what-

Moments is insipired by mexico?!?!

What the honk…

[sharp lichen]

Not completely, but a sizable amount of the cosmetics are directly related

[rapid latch]

imagine a body width spell that makes skykids fat or slim

I would be a chonky chibi

[sharp lichen]

Yes, there should be a width changing spell

[vocal lion]

Y'know what, what if the spirits, before they became spirits, used Sky Kids as a sort of power source? We can see the Elders needing the light from the Sky Kid when they meet up, and it often powers their objects/weapons.

Maybe the krill are old world machines that hunted Sky Kids and/or Light Creatures, and got out of hand and began to look for other sources of food.

And since everyone are now Spirits, there's no need to be hostile to the Sky Kids, who have begun to come down in force over the years after the collapse of their world.

Maybe that's why Sky Kids can power and open many things with just Light, and the candles strewn about everywhere were an old way of storing bits of their Light for use?

[sharp lichen]

I think Skykids share the same composition as the other forms of power (like mantas and such), so there wouldn’t be a need for it

[lyric imp]

Skykids managed to overthrow ancestors

[quiet solar]

idk if this is reaching but i realised that the wings of aurora/ aurora symbol and concept art for megabird look similar

[obtuse tapir]

AYO?

[static vessel]

megabird just has some fabulous hairdo

[lost zephyr]

throwing my uneducated theory out there; what if aurora is Light 😼

[cold sparrow]

brings this back

[supple sluice]

The king was so saddened by this that he shattered the Eden Diamond, thus killing everyone in sky at an instant and forcing a million innocent skykids to clean the mess up and die for their sins

[lyric imp]

How the hell megabird managed to remain relevant all these years despite no obvious clues it made it into the live game

[quiet solar]

aurora is probably the megabird tbh
a lot of people also believe in this theory

[lyric imp]

Not sure i should be in this chat rn but wanna discuss this?

[quiet solar]

of course ^-^
i am going to be busy tho so i may not reply quickly

[lyric imp]

What do you mean by megabird exactly?

(I know the story behind the concept art but i'm curious how do you think it shows up in the live game and what role does it play, how is it different or similar to concept art and why)

[sharp lichen]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[empty belfry]

I have a love hate relationship with the theory personally

[lyric imp]

I've seen this before and remain skeptical as heck. Wind paths is wind paths and it seem to symbolise an actual bird. Office is not exactly canon, but still can show sth valuable. It's the closest thing we have to the concept art, albeit it may symbolise cycle of life. If anything, i treat the credits/orbit shape as megabird hint since while it doesn't look like a regular bird at all, recently added nightbird kind of resembles that shape

And of course the rest is concepr art... Aside from energy meter that i'm not sure resembles a bird, but ehh

[sharp lichen]

It’s called “The Light” in game but it’s too vague of a name

[cold sparrow]

Yeah, 'megabird' was most certainly just the name during development, and is now just 'The Light'
same role, and bird imagery has remained in the game - probably not just because of megabird, but because the game as a whole is themed around, well... sky, light, flying

I don't think Megabird/The Light is an autonomous creature as a whole
it's an entity made of the light of many creatures, light that comes and goes

as for Aurora, I don't think she is Megabird/The Light, for that very reason
Aurora is a storyteller, a voice given shape, formed/summoned by the spirits of that season
she very much represents Megabird/The Light in the stories she tells and shows, but if the entire Light came down into the kingdom to sing to the Skykids, what is left in orbit? wouldn't that throw off the entirety of the cosmos?
I can see her being made from/with a fragment of the Light maybe
but you could argue that all creatures of light are, including skykids, mantas, and to some extend the ancestors

[quiet solar]

megabird is the thing we ascend to after dying in eden
its most likely more a concept or omnipresent god that doesnt exist in physical form than a physical being
in game, megabird, or as other people have said it 'the light', looks very different
there are also a few murals depicting megabird, one from forgotten ark and one in the area where the door to office is located

[quiet solar]

oh yes i believe that aurora is the megabird because i believe that the megabird is omnipresent

[reef fulcrum]

"I refuse to prove that I exist"

Anybody read any Douglas Adams?

[violet sundial]

I dont think there WERE any skykids besides the chosen one before the fall of the kingdom, at least as I understand it

[reef fulcrum]

Nevermind...
I can't believe that Megabird is Aurora, because I think we are all a part of Megabird.

I do, however, attribute a sort of (albeit different sort of) Divinity to Aurora. However, she and Megabird are not strictly the same entity, in my eyes.

[uncut pond]

Personally I believe that "megabird" was just an internal name during development and that The Light we see in-game is really just a force of nature with no will of its own, and it just happens to resemble a bird because in the Sky universe birds are kinda like what spirals and crabs are in our universe

[orchid sky]

Weird question but I'm just starting to get into the sky lore and I keep hearing people say the elders are evil but I never actually heard why people believe that. Can someone please tell me?

[reef fulcrum]

Yeah, that's basically what I mean when I use the word "Megabird" because all that's a mouthful.

[uncut pond]

Probably because of very old concept art from before the lore was finished, where the elders were going to be evil

This was changed very early on and never was part of the actual game

[orchid sky]

Oh thank you! Where can I find this concept art?

[uncut pond]

Tom Zhao (the concept artist)'s website I believe

It might've been concept art from somebody else tho, I haven't looked at old concept art in ages

[orchid sky]

Thank you!

[quiet solar]

i see your point

[lyric imp]

A bit like like God and Jesus?

[reef fulcrum]

...mmmM a y b e. I kinda think any straight answer to this would be wrong one way or the other. The big reason being that I just don't read the Bible, or know enough about the religion to make a decent comparison.

Now seems like a good time to extend a harmonious blessing of peace and good will to all faiths of the world.

I think my view of Aurora is a Gaia-Like Spirit-of-the-world sort of thing, while Megabird is like a universal entity. Another idea I have is that one is the "God of Space" and the other "God of Time". Either way, I think their power combined is what created Skykids, but I'm kinda making this paragraph up right now while sitting here.

My opinion of them remains pretty abstract, just because the definition of "God" practically necessitates misunderstanding; but this starts speeding into that Hitchhiker's Guide passage that I referenced last night.

"For proof denies faith"

[gleaming crow]

would you say that the Megabird is the embodiment of all light in the sky kingdom, while Aurora is the embodiment of music and song? All sky children have light in them, so we are a part of the megabird as much as it is a part of us. But Aurora is different, because we are not made of music or song, but it is nonetheless important to us. Maybe less of divinity and more of what they represent in the sky kingdom?

[reef fulcrum]

This is a really cool interpretation if you consider what Music and Song can represent. Passion and emotion and expression. Not just Living, but being Lively. Megabird is the Substance, Aurora is the Essence. Both are required for Sentient Life, and it's another really beautiful metaphor of balance, which is the kind of thing I eat right up.

[rapid latch]

I wonder if different realms have regional cuisine…

Like, forest and wasteland could have roasted dark plants and crabs as a dish

[abstract finch]

actually, that's a point. do skykids require sustenance? obviously they CAN consume various food and drink, as shown in-game, but do they actually need it? from a gaming POV I'd assume they don't as players don't regularly interact with edible stuff, but that's probably for the player's convenience. do any of you guys think that they genuinely need food and drink from a world perspective?

[sharp lichen]

Not Skykids, but spirits might have when they were alive, since we see farmers and such

[lyric imp]

Imo aurora could me more generally the artist/bard archetype with key aspect being emotions, with stories and music being the way they're conveyed... Or something

Tbh it's pretty funny that people in lore chat make cosmological/sky anthropogenesis guesses based on stuff wr have some hints of that doesn't fit well into our comprehension. Theories like this are generally not strongly supported but many people are pretty convinced about them and i find it hilarious because it's pretty much how religion and myths came to be irl

[reef fulcrum]

I think that they do not require food and drink. (They don't even have mouths, imo) I think they only pretend to eat biscuits and tea because it's familiar. They see a plate of cookies, and choose to spend the time for no actual gain other than because it's cute. It gives them a happy little feeling that just makes sense to them, because ultimately, the actual living soul that governs their decisions is your soul.

It's a huge leap to say that Sky Kids or Ancestors could, in any way, be several impossibly infinite times reincarnated from the spirits of humans; but I stand firm that Skyds, especially, don't have any regular organs or even bones of any kind. They only take a humanoid shape, even, again because it's familiar.

To be clear, I'm not talking about evolution or descendents. I'm not suggesting Sky's world is exactly Earth, even... I'm running out of time rn, but I'd really love to talk more about this

[hushed steeple]

very good observation😊

[reef fulcrum]

"going through the motions" was a phrase I wanted to use here. Like, they aren't actually consuming at all, just incinerating it against their face.

[hushed steeple]

Well, of course the other thing to consider is the whole in-universe/game mechanics aspects of the whole thing
How much of what we experiance in the game is for the benefits of gameplay, emotional storytelling and the benefits of the players sharing wonderful moments with each other, and how much of it is a part of the diagetic in universe lore of this world

We have seen from trailers that the fantasy world in sky isnt always 1:1 copy of what we experiance when playing the game
You made a great point with that "living soul that governs their decisions is your soul" coment, and that lore wise we might need to take some of the things in this game with a grain of salt

[hushed steeple]

In my personal headcanon, I kinda that skykids and ancesters cant just go on living without consuming something in universe
The probably require light energy as food to go on functioning.
As for all the in game references of tables for meals, fisherman, hunting , food related props and all the references to food in the spirit bio's........well will have to wait for the animated series to show how the ancesters realy act and function in there normal day to day life

[sharp lichen]

Why not… light energy as light energy?

Both Skykids and spirits need light, but in different ways. Skykids get it from clouds and fire, while spirits get a more “processed” form, such as the light buns

[hushed steeple]

thats what I was talking about before

While in game we only spend light energy to boost our flight for game mechanic reasons, I have to imagine that in universe the sky kids and ancesters would need to replenish themselfs with fresh sorces of light after a while. They could "grow hungry" by spending up the light energy within them, and would need to replenish it

Maby starvation for skykids/ancesters would make them grow more inanimate, as there is less energy to animate the clay/earth/charchole bodies

[reef fulcrum]

Yes, yes. It's not technically "food", but the need for Light can be biologically compared to eating for sustenance.

You are what you eat, after all.

[sharp lichen]

I always thought the chevron system was essentially a fullness indicator, of sorts.

I think Sky’s simplistic sustenance system fits well

[hushed steeple]

True

[reef fulcrum]

Your point on starvation reminds me of another common question I don't get to answer enough. Why is it that darkness hurts us, while standing in sunlight does not automatically replenish us.

Maybe starvation is simply the lack of Light. Just being alive consumes energy. Period. That goes for all living things, and even stars can't burn forever. If there is even a faint hint of glow to see from, Sky Kid's bodies can reach a sort of "equilibrium" where they aren't constantly draining Light, but when totally shrouded in darkness, decay occurs. Our Light is diminished as our bodies begin to consume it's own energy to survive. That is starvation.

[abstract finch]

maybe they're familiar with food because it holds memories from their ancestors, the spirits. they ate and slept and drank, and memory is a large theme in the game so perhaps to some extent spirits memories live on in the skykids themselves

this might also apply to other actions they do in game, none spring to mind immediately but there's probably some

though the ancestor spirits are no longer physically living, they are still technically 'alive' in yhe skykids

[hushed steeple]

Sunlight doesnt replenish us for the same reason why sitting in a dark cave doesnt drain us

Its not litteral light, its light energy, a force that gives us life and animates the world

Just as "darkness" isnt the lack of light, but a force in its own right

[reef fulcrum]

Another thing worth noting: my proposal is very different from Red Darkstone and Dark Creatures which literally steal our Light away from us against our will.

[reef fulcrum]

Oh.. yeah that think worth noting.
You said it.

[hushed steeple]

Its inportant to also remember that darks plants and dark creatures have light traped within them, which also animates them.

Old concept trailers almost showed it as a dark blob or crystaline being that swallows light and traps it forever inside.

The light that we gain from dark plants is the light that they have eaten from the earth and unfortunate light creatures that we free by burning away the darkness that holds it prissoner

[hushed steeple]

Its inportant to also remember that dark plants and dark creatures have light traped within them, which also animates them.

Old concept trailers almost showed it as a dark blob or crystaline being that swallows light and traps it forever inside.
There are even concept art that shows dark creatures growing more inanimate with no new light to devour, and they eventually become black rocks

The light that we gain from dark plants is the light that they have eaten from the earth and unfortunate light creatures. There kinda like parasitic funguss when you think about it

We free the light by burning away the darkness that holds it prissoner

.
.
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It is the nature of "darkness" in the world of sky to only seek to eat, grow and possess, and not give anything back in return. Always locked in a cycle of hunger that can never be trully quenched

Where as the nature of "light" is to nurish, promote groath , and give aid to thouse around it.

Light is shared between being of light, while the dark only seeks to consume all it can

[lyric imp]

My theory is that krills (at least the ones in abyss) where light creatures so distorted that they were able to somehow survive their inner light being drained

[hushed steeple]

So basicly they become empty husks that now seek to atack and/or consume amnything with a light pulse 🤔

[lean kayak]

But i think the sunlight at the valley citadel does replenish us though

If it isnt the sunlight then what is it?

[hushed steeple]

Thats not sunlight that replenishes us, thats the wind

Like I said, light energy is a force that flows through the world. And the citadel is particularly rich in light energy, with every cloud and strong breeze filling us with energy

You see something simmiler in bird nest

Really its not that "light" energy doesnt come from the sun, but were not build to really tap into it like plants or some light creatures can
We probably need something more concentrated and easy to absorbe/process to really replenish outselfs

( admitidly the last paragrapg is speculation on my part😅)

[lost zephyr]

I agree, I think the ‘Light’ is seperate from actual light from the sun as an example, but it is present in certain sources that recharge us like campfires! but these campfires also emit regular light alongside sky Light?

[lyric imp]

Interestingly, the majority of things that recharge us are on fire. Exceptions are creatures, spirits, players, clouds, and things underwater. Also, there's a cutscene in forest that only shows in the first playthrough where sky kid shivers in cold when entering rainy forest. Light energy might have more to di with warmth than actual light

[sharp lichen]

Why not both? After all, the sun is an emitter of both heat and ilght

And I think water/rain poses more of a physical challenge because we're made of clay/stone

[lean kayak]

No, there is clearly something replenishing us though. It isnt the wind and it isnt the birds flying around either 👀

I think the light from the sun is so strong at the citadel and bird's nest, that it has the capability to replenish

[lean kayak]

But then we should shiver in valley too? There is snow and water there as well. I think its just dark water sky kids cant handle well

[sharp lichen]

Probably

I'm starting to think that dark water and rain hurt for different reasons

Dark water is viscous and sludgy, almost trapping the light

While rain falls fast, which would be feel like a rock falling on us to a Skykid

[lean kayak]

Maybe 👀 i think the rain contains darkness because if i remember correctly it only rains in forest and there is a lot of darkness there

[dreamy saddle]

i'd argue there is 'light' as in brightness, and 'Light' as in the energy that travels the cycle of rebirth, energy we can find in fire, animals, creatures, and plants. in which case, the opposite being Darkness, i'd argue we shiver in the forest due to the rain possibly being tainted by darkness

[quiet solar]

dont need to incinerate my marshmallows when i eat them burning hot ☺️

[quiet solar]

you are technically correct because krills are corrupted mantas, as seen in murals in the abyss

[lyric imp]

Again, in forest cutscene in the first playthrough sky kids shiver in cold, so probably it's not physical trauma

[sharp lichen]

Shivering is a biological involuntary movement though

[native galleon]

no but why cant we eat marshmallows once they burn?? they start as a little ball of light, get bigger as you hold them over the fire, and then catch on fire. fire is good for us, if i can sit in it and store it in my body i want to be able to eat it

let me eat the fire!!!!

[lyric imp]

Spam the button right before it starts burning and see what happens ;p

[upbeat rampart]

On a more unrelated note than the current chat, I remember reading something about sky burnout being real and also sharing a doc to it (or I'm hallucinating) and it was tied to vanity. It's been ages since I went back (again) but I'd say it's canon to some degree...I think that they're just so tired of saving the spirits again and again that they just go to an eternal slumber or as long as their slumber allows which not even their friends could make up for. Having a burden called responsibility and not being acknowledged for it except for the spirits repeatedly thanking them and finishing at that may just be boring enough if you finished around 500,000,000,000 loops of going to the sky world, rescuing spirits, guiding them to orbit and repeat that all over again. Hell, not even cosmetics can bring them back anymore.

It's random but I think theory like these are stuck-despite-time in some way because it doesn't talk about what actually happens in sky so I wanted to bring it up.

Edit: not focusing just on vanity and the partial agree was to the idea that the burnout is real. But additionally what I meant is that the skykids are tired of helping without acknowledgement beyond "oh thx skykid" and they hear it every single loop starting (I assume, which is why they give their wl / energy / whatever). Naturally, it gets tiring.

[sharp lichen]

It's a very meta punishment.

If you act too much like an adult by constantly grinding and doing menial tasks, you'll leave behind the feeling of childlike wonder that got you into the game in the first place.

I'd imagine in canon, burnout would be a way to punish skykids who act too much like adults

[native galleon]

Skykids: I’m gonna grind candles for the TS so I can own all their stuff!
Star collector: I specifically warned you about this

[quiet solar]

you can if you time it correctly and its the funniest thing ever
one time i did it infront of my friend and they stared at me like i was insane

like right when its like almost the size of the stick you eat it and it will catch on fire

[stiff lintel]

Hello

[upbeat rampart]

How long will you have the childlike wonder? It will slowly decrease overtime and for you to regain it, you must stop doing menial tasks (or to some degree at least), reigniting that spark. Which is the burnout stuff here (and treating it) and it holds true.

[idle heron]

This makes so much sense

[lost zephyr]

oh my god i thought you were talking about irl 😭

[quiet solar]

do yall think skids are able to speak in every language or would they have a language like honking

[hushed steeple]

Are you quite shure about that😏

Becouse I went back there to make sume thurough things out to check if I was wrong, and Im sad to that you are mistaken

[upbeat rampart]

I think they honk...which is there to communicate that they're alive and well + their general location. They do emoting for the actual communication or at least in my headcanon

[hushed steeple]

your light does NOT replenish when you are just stending under the sun in all areas outside the citadel, or even in some of the outer parts of the citadel itself

[upbeat rampart]

Even prairie I'd say but I dunno if it's a good example. Light from sun never seemed to be enough. It would make sense if it's a manta because they're said to be creatures of Light (and they are also said to be used in the dark diamond energy stuff for advanced tech stuff happening in skyworld)

[hushed steeple]

it does however replenish when you are around light creatures and clouds.....

and when you do replenish inside the citadel, its in areas that are or near a upword breeze that slows down your decent

if it were the sun that givea you energy, it makes absolutly no sence why moveing 20 feet away from the specific region of the citaldel would stop working for you😅

Really it makes way more sence that all those spiny things in the citaldel are sort of affecting the flow of energy in this region, and not just the proximaty of the sun

[lean kayak]

Interesting 👀 i refuse to believe its just the wind though. Are you saying that the wind carries around said energy?

[hushed steeple]

Again, Im not saying that you dont get light energy from the sun, but its way too little sustain sky kids. The fact is that ancesters and sky kids cannonicly have always needes to relly on light creatures for energy since we arent as capible of absorbing it from the sun and atmosphere as they are

and we do see spirit memory's that very explisitly show ancesters harvesting light energy from the wind and passing migrating light creatures and storing it in jars

[rapid latch]

Since there are food props like the teaset and we can interact with food like milkshakes, mocha and tea, they can eat it

[quiet solar]

oooohh energy channeling
it makes a lot of sense
do you think the top of the buildings contain darkstone to do so

[hushed steeple]

Its not that only the wind has energy, but sky kids and ancesters specificly need the wind and sky creatures to gain energy

Were not really build to process it, or gain enough energy from it to sustain us, just as human cant live off sunlight

Over time light energy builds up within a specific area, and and it constantly flows from one place/being to another

It is this build up of energy that ancesters/sky kids use

[quiet solar]

wait the two embers trailer also shows a few spirits being able to control light/command light creatures so energy channeling may actually be real

[hushed steeple]

Not neceaeraly
I think this is an older craft then darkatones, just scailed up as far as it can possibly go ( and maby useing some dark stones for a booat)

We see a lot of examples of bells, gates and golden spiny things (mostly in priery but also in forest and some other places), that seam to effect air flow and atrack sky creatures

Perhaps there are not just decorative, but have an actual function, where through a special craft that existed in the age before the dark cryatals, ancrsters made gates, shrines and mechanisms that helped promote and increase the flow of energy within a curtain region, makeing it richer in light and more atractive for light creatures over the course of decades and centuries

Like, the regions where the ancesters settled down was already rich in light energy, and a place where light creatures frequently migrated through

They make shrines and bells and such stuff that help bust the flow of energy and help light creatures in there migration, makeing the region more prosperous, which leads to the settlemant growing.......
And so on in a loop

(A very slow loop though)

[quiet solar]

it makes a lot of sense because darker areas like forest, gw and vault have little to none of these golden structures

i really should work on the idea i have for a fanmade season but i want to be as lore accurate as possible

i want the season to take place at the top of vault where theres a huge sphere thingy because it looks like its made of glass
im wondering it it is big enough for a season

[hushed steeple]

I feel you
I've hade plans to make a sky economy (how there sociaty works), and history post for a long time, but keep fraling Im laking in deffinetive proof and lore conformatioms to make it right😅

[quiet solar]

ahahah

[hushed steeple]

That sounds fascinating

Honestly I really hope they show deffinitevly how/where voult is located in relation to the other regions😅

[quiet solar]

yeah vault is weird

[hushed steeple]

My theory is still thay voult is inside the mountain, and that we enter through an underground tunnel from the end of coult, and take an expreass lift streight up until we get neer the top where edan starts

[quiet solar]

i believe that each level is physical tho because there are map shrines which probably wont show up if the place was Imaginary
but then again after meditating the platform we are on breaks

[hushed steeple]

And that the very top of voult is the tower that we exit from whem we enter edan

[quiet solar]

perhaps the darkstone tech on it make illusions

[quiet solar]

oh that sphere is what im talking about
i entirely forgot about the huge thing in front of it, what a shame

it would block a lot of things 😔
unless i incorporate it into the mechanic of the season....

[hushed steeple]

Block?

[rapid latch]

Im gonna make a Fanmade area in eden

[quiet solar]

yea this thing

[hushed steeple]

Aaa, I see

[hushed steeple]

I supoast you kinda have to😅

We've already seen a mural in Isle of down depicting all the main teples for each of the kingoms that follow it

And the thingy is preaty much cannon to Voult😅

[quiet solar]

oup

[hushed steeple]

Sorry, thems the facts😅

[quiet solar]

oh my god wait does it show its hollow
it means i really can have my season take place in there 🎉

[hushed steeple]

Well....yes and no😅

[quiet solar]

is isle on it? doesnt seem to be anywhere on the mural

more evidence that isle elder was ostracised?

[hushed steeple]

Well no
The murals show all the main tamples AFTER isle of down
The mural is inside the Isle temple and shows you what comes after

More of the Isle of down is tutorial vibes actually😅

[quiet solar]

oh right

i havent visited the temple in a really long time

[hushed steeple]

As for Voult....well technicly the top part of the mural shows this area

The entire kingdom is just one gigantic hollow tube, 😅

[rapid latch]

maybe maybe not

[quiet solar]

are u referring to the sphere or below it?
because the spherical part doesn't correspond to the cylinder esque shape the final area in vault has

[rapid latch]

yeah cuz he sucks like “lame”d and ayin(not really)

LAMED AND DALETH
THE WORST AND WEAKEST ELDERS

[quiet solar]

no, i believe that only isle elder is ostracised as only their face is not carved into the doors to eden

[hushed steeple]

I mean, the sphere is just the cross on the top of the builfing

The tube is the thing bellow it

[dreamy orbit]

Where is this?

[hushed steeple]

The voult temple is effectively the final flore of Voult

[rapid latch]

BUT THEY STILL SO WEAK
THATS WHY THEY STAYED OUT OF THE WAAR

[quiet solar]

having your face carved into the doors of eden would be a very honourable thing i reckon, so isle elder must have done something that went against the king and other elders (like someone mentioned before, possibly disagreeing with the mining and usage of darkstone) and became ostracised

[hushed steeple]

Isle of down temple
Amazing how so many people miss thia😅

[quiet solar]

every single elder stayed out of the war except gw elder most likely because they were caught in the conflict and were forced to fight and defend the temple or risk getting invaded

[rapid latch]

here’s how I imagine the war went
Anti-darkstone:
Forest
Wasteland
Prairie (but still pacifist)
Pro-darkstone:
Eden
Valley
Not fighting:
Vault
Isle

[quiet solar]

probably because very little people include isle in their crs lmao
i should go back to isle to check for any lore stuff

[rapid latch]

Anyways wanna see my photos

[hushed steeple]

Also there is interesting info in the concept art
-The first image shows that the great mountain we are traveling towards from the start of the game is right next to Waistland
-While in the secund, Voult and shown located inside the mountain, with edan on top, and an elevator takeing you neer the top

(Unfortunatly the good quality pics are at home,so this is the best I could do for now😅😅😅)

[hushed steeple]

Can you deleat and repoast in 30 secunds, Im still not finiahed😅

(Ps, you look fantastic😍😍😍😍)

[hushed steeple]

Naturaly there has been a lot of changes since the concept art, but logicly this is the only place where Voult really could be located

[quiet solar]

true
probably not right in the middle of the mountain tho because you still need to climb eden

[hushed steeple]

True
Im thinking more 1/2 or 2/3 of the way towards the middle, and then streight up

[quiet solar]

considering how tall eden is id say 2/3

[hushed steeple]

Good choice☺️
Although Im not entirelly shure if the whole mountain is considered edan🤔

I think edan is more the top and uper region.

[hushed steeple]

Its a shame that so many of us compleatly forget about this place.
There are a lot of good lore bits in it

from all the murals

To this memory showing what might have once had been check in station, with a couple of ancesters charting a boat and prepearing to move to one of the kingdoms beyond

to potentially the oldest memory of all showing the origin of the king

Why do so many people keep disrespecting Isle of down and its elder😭😭😭

[rapid latch]

Bcoz he weak?

[hushed steeple]

He's just really old. The land is as well
Thats no reason to talk (beep) about him

He had good reasons to cut himself from the corupt politic of the continent, considering how it eventually led to mass destruction and the effective end to the ancester race😅

Ok, maby he should have spoken more against how things were heading, but given that hardly anybody listened to him on acount of them saying his the weekest elder, you can see why the old did what he did

[lost zephyr]

#screenshots-and-videos perhaps? i don't mean to minimod but this is the lorechat

[dreamy orbit]

I literally just do the Treasure candles in Isle (trials), the ones i can get solo in Vault, and the daily rotation

And maybe grandma

[frigid turret]

Hello ! Just here to present my deep respect to all the contributor of the lore channel, your works show us how wonderful and interesting the Sky lore is
Thank you for your hard work

[hushed steeple]

Oooooh, thank you so much☺️☺️☺️☺️☺️☺️

[sharp lichen]

In the Sky game, I do not think burnout is a necessary, inevitable, unstoppable force.

The childlike wonder of Sky is always there- you just have to find it

[sharp lichen]

So true!!! Isle pride forever

[viral bay]

What are y'all's opinion on which elders were pro- and which were anti-darkstone?

[hushed steeple]

I kinda assumed that they were all pro-darkstone at the begining and anti-darkstone at the end

The question is

-At what point did they change there mind
-Exactly how pro were they at any given point

Its very inportant to note that the use of dark stones in and of themselfs was not the issue
The conflict was around the negative consequences that come from overproduction and over reliance on crystals, and the culture and mindset that developed after there widespread use

Chronologicly, I would say that Isle elder was the first to speak against the over reliance of the crystals and the negative effects that could arise if things dont change

[lyric imp]

The rotating platforms below the golden ring structures have blue cracks in them

[hushed steeple]

It does👀?

How did I miss that😅

Well there you go. The big spiny thing (I keep forgeting its name, know it starts with an O 😅) is one giant mechanism used to help channel light energy and winds through that region

[lyric imp]

I'm pretty sure those levels are physical but non-euclidean for some reason and can be larger inside than outside

[lyric imp]

I imagine he refused to contribute to building eden temple with its diamond because he believed it was a bad idea. Lo and behold, shards don't fall in isle, the elder is not shown in the eden gate and no obvious conflict is shown otherwise (maybe the 4-player door on 2nd floor?)

[quiet solar]

lmao

[cold sparrow]

I don't think the existence of the maps is definite proof of the levels inside the vault being a real physical places
these maps are most likely created by Sky kids and their perception of the world, and they cartograph it in the way they experience it

[lyric imp]

Sky: tries to show community, friendship, and altruism as good values to live by and how excessive ambition and hunger for power can lead to downfall
Akari: strrengghth

[native galleon]

Actually, i made a fatal mistake cutting and pasting my messages and half of the thing I wrote got eaten. I’ll do this later lol

[hushed steeple]

Im sorry for your loss
It was a fantastic post from what I managed to read

[rapid latch]

Nice colours for the flag tho

I like running wayfarer and season of passage

[lyric imp]

Tbh it imo makes some sense. I'm not really sure what is gold's relationship with light energy, but i have a guess abt how it's connected to darkstone. Notice the 'ring switches' in the two refinery temples, 8-player puzzle and i think some reef structures. The ones that we can activate make it so that the golden circumference spins.
Probably darkstone platforms in citadel seem to cause the ring structures to spin. In prairie village, we activate the candles that somehow activate the golden bells. Interestingly, the bell structures are overgrown with darkness

What i'm trying to say is that darkstone works similar to an electromagnet, but on gold. Activating it creates particular fields that can lead to movement, (especially spinning), and levitatoion of golden components

Also notice how automatic bells work based on rotation rather than the way we know

[rapid latch]

Teth was pro darkstone for a very small bit of time until she betrayed resh and sided with Tsadi. Ayin was also supporting resh, but did not fight, being pacifistic like lamed and daleth. Teth produced weapons.
The Valley twins probably sided with resh, and the vault and isle elders stayed out of the fight completely, they only accepted and helped refugees.

[hushed steeple]

Fascinating theory
It does take a lot of sence
Although I dont think you really need to tie all this down to real world phisics like electromagnetism.
Light energy and its manipulation is as much spiritual as it is sciantific. The only differsnce is what method you use to manipulate the same force

The comparison with electromagnetism but on gold is also a great observation, as if gold is a good conductor for light energy and so its used in a lot of temples and constructions

[rapid latch]

Also my fav elders are and

[sharp lichen]

I think that the Vault tower is real, but what’s inside it is more chaotic/on a different plane of existence

[dreamy orbit]

As a quote from the lyrics of the song “Weight of the World”

“We’ll all be the weak and the weary sometime”

[earnest briar]

NieR Automata?

[cold sparrow]

that's what I mean
yeah the tower is obviously a location but inside is a bit metaphysical

[native galleon]

Ok so as I was TRYING to say earlier, I agree with Viksa about their opinions shifting over time, that it’s not always as simple as being for or against it. I think it their perspectives would fall on more of a spectrum based on the impact it has on their realms, and whether they judge the good to outweigh the bad. That said, here’s generally what I think that spectrum of perspectives would be like, from negative to positive.

Isle: Very negative. Has strong faith in the Light, recognizes the dangerous potential early on despite the apparent benefits, and staunchly refuses to accept it, which causes something of a rift between them and the others. Though there are a few instances of it being used in Isle, if we’re talking about the Elder specifically, I don’t think they’d condone it.
Wasteland*: Very negative. Obviously, all the industry around it has destroyed their environment, enough to spark a civil war where even the Elder joins in on the side against it. Still, all that industry had to come from somewhere, so they must have condoned its use for a long time before figuring out that it was causing so much harm.
Prairie: Somewhat negative. Like Isle, recognizes the harm early on, particularly to nature and the Light. Only uses it where strictly necessary in their own realm (and doesn’t let ANYBODY touch those peaks). But they don’t see many of those negative effects, and I think they’d still see the merits as well, enough that they’re willing to compromise a bit more when working with the other realms. (1/2 bc character limit)

Vault: Somewhat positive. Recognizes it as a useful tool and uses it for scientific advancement as well as preserving history, but despite its heavy use in the vault itself, their attitude towards it is just that: it’s a tool, a significant one, they use to achieve their greater goals of understanding the world and preserving its legacy.
Forest*: Positive, until it’s not. It’s the lifeblood of their realm’s economy, the medium they use to create and innovate, and I think their design as well as its presence in the temple hints at a strong fixation on it. It’s their biggest contribution to the world, their life’s work. However, when dangers arise in the mines and darkness sets in, so does the guilt, and they become very torn on the matter.
Valley: Very positive. It’s so crucial to the infrastructure and to the daily lives of people there, not only helping them survive in a harsh environment but granting them a very high standard of living, that I think they’d basically regard it as a blessing. Not only that, but they don’t really see its negative effects up close, so they’re a bit out of touch, although I think they’d have to know something if they were close with Wasteland before the war. Speaking of which…when threatened, would go to extreme lengths to preserve its role in the economy. (2/2)

put a * for the ones with the most fluctuation over time. I guess they could both be in the camp of “positive until it’s not” but seems to still see some of those benefits to the very end while definitely doesn’t. Hence why I placed them in different spots on this list, even though I think they’d have a wide range of conflicting opinions that overlap quite a bit.

yay, got it all! Copypasted instead of cut this time bc i learned my lesson

[latent tendon]

uhm so I was trying to rocket with my friend in shard zone and apparently. there's a solid wall behind the wasteland temple so ig that's the base of Mt eden? I didn't take any screeshots while we were doing it tho

[hushed steeple]

Fantastic post🤩
You really thought things through with this one😊

-The part about the Valley elders not seing any of the consequences of the darkstone industry while getting all the benefits is something I did not originally consider, but makes a lot of senc when you think about it.
Not to mention that the warrior memory from Aurora shows valley ancesters capturing migrating mantas in mass, which I asume a lot of them must have been sent to the factory's of Forest and Waistland for crystal production.
I do feel that the twins were not fully aware of what was going on however. With how focused they were on competitions and ceremonys, I kinda feel that they were kinda ignorant of all the details that went into late stage darkstone production and just said yes to anything that lead to more prosperety for there people.

-I feel that the Waistland elder must have been one of the biggest suporters at the start, as things would never have gotten to the point that they if he wasnt 100% on board at the start. You also need to consider that as a soldure he would have had masive loyalty to the king, and with all the statues of the king everywhere he must have been on the top of the list of pro-darksotone for a looong while before getting the most drastic change in opinion out of all of them.

[hushed steeple]

-Voult elder I mostly agree with, though I feel that darkstones in and off them selfs are not the problem. The problem was the exponental groath of the civilization and how maintaining the prosperity of the kingdom was prioritized over all the negative consequences that were arising becouse of the cost of maintaining said groath and prosperey (sounds familiar)
All the concept art and any elements in the game seam to show her actively traing to prevent the potential desaster to come, while doing stuff like refusing to help the king or partisipate with the war, while actively sheltering refugies from said war. So while she was very pro dark stone use and developman, she was very strongly against the politics of the king and the rest of the pro darkstone ancesters
(I realise this is more or less what you already wrote, but just wanted to add that there might be more then one spectrum that some of the ancesters fall on when it comest to this issue😅 )

[viral bay]

Interesting take. I would say that Teth was among the pro-darkstones too. They didnt seem to mind the devastation of the Forest until much later.

Though honestly i was very surprised when so many of you agreed with each other that Tsadi was with the anti-darkstones, cuz i thought that with Wasteland's super closeness to Mount of Eden and its extreme industrial center of darkstone production, Tsadi would be one of the most obvious and biggest darkstone supporter besides Resh. Maybe even leading the army of pro-darkstoners as a general, in charge of protecting the King.

Lamed, Daleth and and Ayin all have pacifist vibes. With Daleth not in the Eden portal, they probably were the first one to speak up about darkstones (or at least the first one to not support specifically the creation of the Eden diamond if the King was born after the discovery of darkstone).

Ayin, even with their realm's close connection to light creatures, they still got enough cruelty to trap butterflies in pots to export them to be juiced, so I'd say Ayin only became anti-darkstone much much later in the war.

Lamed is probably the most neutral of them all, if we don't think about the advanced darkstone-saturated tech realm itself :,). Lamed was probably the one who tried to patch bits of the broken world, making refuges for immigrants from the war and places for Ancestors that embodied vices.

Sah and Mekh's positions are the most confusing to me. They are the ones benefiting the most from the whole darkstone ordeal so i feel like they wouln't be among anti-darkstoners, but at the same time it doesn't seem possible for them to not care about light creatures since their whole realm is based on racing with MANTAS.

[earnest briar]

@keen shore @lusty merlin Ps ps ps it's Valley Twins discussion time in lorechat

Personally I see the Valley Twins as having a 'neccessary evil' view of darkstone. Yes, they know the consequences it's production is having, especially on their sibling realm Wasteland, but with darkstone usage being so incredibly prevalent and even vital to their realm (such as with boats and lifts, since if those go down transport would become near impossible) they have no other choice but to continue using it.

They don't want the people of Wasteland to have to suffer under the pollution and destruction the darkstone industry is causing, but they also have their own entire realm of people to lead and care for that they can't just force complete abandonment of that vital resource on.

[latent tendon]

ik it's not relevant here but I don't like how the valley twins appear kinda 'younger' than the other elders. the pollution in sky is in direct comparison to real life and that is mostly cause by older generations for their own gain without caring for the future. it might just be over looked by the devs but it still bugs me

[earnest briar]

Valley of Triumph is called that for a reason. In concepts, it was meant to represent your young adult stage of life, where nothing feels impossible and you're at your best. The Twins were made to look young and be very athletic to reflect that.

[lyric imp]

Valley has yougers instead of elders lol

[earnest briar]

I have a headcanon that the Elders can choose how they want to look, and the Twins chose to look young in order to better connect with their people.

[viral bay]

I would say the opposite is true as well. The older generation molds the world and directs all their accomplishments and investment towards the younger generation. They work hard to try to create the best future possible for the next generation, hence the race, the prosperity, the entertainment, the peak that Valley has.

I'd say it's the reason why Valley elders are younger.

[native galleon]

I actually think Valley is the opposite, I think as their Elder the twins would absolutely know what’s going on, because they’re in charge. The average person, though? Unless they’re directly involved in the industry, trapping the light creatures etc. or involved in the politics and all, they’d kind of be able to just ignore it and enjoy themselves without thinking too much about it.

I also think the exploitation of light creatures wouldn’t be a secret, more of just a necessary evil that’s been normalized and disregarded by many of the ancestors. There would be some who oppose it, in any realm (flight crew comes to mind) but for most it would probably be just a thing that happens and they don’t have strong opinions on it either way. Because that’s how it works in real life, people ignore the bad parts of an industry if it’s convenient enough and they don’t see the consequences up close. Doesn’t make them bad people, they’re just not used to thinking about it

[lusty merlin]

Very cool but im busy with somthing else atm (rain world modding)

[native galleon]

(off topic) omg i downloaded that bc yall made it sound neat and it was on sale but i am…so bad at it

[grim horizon]

Guys
Was hidden forest always rainy?
Like i know it eventually became polluted, but was it previously like sunny forest?

[sharp lichen]

Probably, it used to cloudy. This is shown in the Prophecy murals and the Sky animation project

[grim horizon]

Huh? I never noticed

[sharp lichen]

Yeah, in the final trial cutscene, we see the Forest Elder creating the rain

[grim horizon]

i'm lost. wdym by "final trial"? u mean the fire trial? as in the last trial of prophecy?

[reef fulcrum]

I have some screenshots on the PS4 that idk how to move over to anywhere. You can see it pretty well with the Moments Camera.

[sharp lichen]

The murals that appear after completing the fire trial in the season of prophecy

[grim horizon]

ahhhh got it
||i dont wanna complete fire trial again tho||

[lusty merlin]

K im done with my thing, I agree with this view on it the most because it would make scene. I can see some resistance but in the end, darkstone is soon a nessecity and intergrated. The fact mantas are used in darkstone is kinda like how animals like cows are killed for their leather, hide, and meat. Like you know an animal has died in the process, but if you don’t think about to much, you just focus more on the product, which is what alot of folks do. Many don’t and many still protest about it, yet an industry that big will not go away anytime soon. You can’t hide the process on Somthing like that, especially from the leaders of a realm, they’d have to approve it. To use mantas in darkstone there HAD to be a meeting about it with all the elders. To me the twins might be younger, but they are very much aware of the downsides of the industry

[native galleon]

you don’t have to, just go to the mural and light the brazier

[grim horizon]

also, do we think all the tlp spirits couldve known each other
cuz my brain is on tlp rn
like. we know that spirits can interact with each other. that said, can we also assume that these singular spirits who live on islands that are far apart have the potential to interact
but im only speculating

[native galleon]

and i appreciate it!! Yeah i don’t like the idea that oh, if they only knew what was happening to those poor mantas, they would all stop immediately, because that’s not realistic in game or in the real world industry parallels

[lusty merlin]

Yaya i definitely think they know eachother, I like to think some are closer than others. Without ingame limits on having to stay in place I’d totally see that

[grim horizon]

could narc n lamplighter be close cuz i notice in game that lighter has a freakin cloud tunnel that leads to narc's stadium

[native galleon]

anything is possible so why not

[lusty merlin]

Yeah I agree, plus like comparing darkstone to previous sky tech, which was like light and fire. it would be the equlivant of us learning how to have floating cars and buildings all from this single material. Not to mention darkstone can do so much more, if killing mantas is the price to get THAT level of tech than it’s a nessecary evil that needs to be done to improve the quality of life for ancestors

[hushed steeple]

I absolutly agree about the light creatures being mostly a secret, especially since ( if Im analyzing the lore corectly) that would have been a new developmant

Looking at the murals from forest, early crystal production involved combining the light from jars that were exported from Daylight, with the raw darkstone mined from forest

This was gen 1, the original way to produce the crystals, and likely at the time it was far lesa harmfull then what it would eventually become

Over time however, as civilization grew, and the ancesters grew more acustomed to there new prosperaty, the old way would have had trubble maintaining the energy needs for the kingdom, let alone allow for any groath, so things developed from there, new ways of harveating light, mining for darkstone, more advanced and numerous factory's......until in the last stage you got light creatures being squeezed out of there life force.

I think most folks that worsnt involved in the industry were not aware of exactly how cryatals werw made when this method becomed standardized, and most who knew saw it as necesery to preserve the prosperaty of there people

This ration would however shift over time, and eventually lead up to the great war

[grim horizon]

but u know whats also confusing
would narc be vulnerable
TO ANYONE HE INTERACTS WITH
or would he just remain a "conceited man"
because despite his outward obsession with himself, his music sheet sounds lonely and tells us things that he wouldnt dare reveal, such as he needs a heckin friend. and not to gloat or whatever kek

[native galleon]

I literally said it wasn’t a secret tho, I think it was common knowledge that they were doing it, like Tac said

[lusty merlin]

I feel he’d have some pride of appearance, but I feel he’d come around to company

[grim horizon]

shatters mirrors aggressively and screams

[hushed steeple]

Not a secret, just not so well known at first
Like I said, it didnt start with the manda draining, so I think it makes sence that the comman ancester would be a bit behind the times

Most avarage joe today dont know of all the bribes, exploitations and shady practices that big companys to after all😅

And yes, most of us who would learn about it would just be compliant with it, as were the ancesters....

HOWEVER

given that this leads to a huge war, I must imagine that over time the comman anceater would grow more and more opposed to all of this, enough to die for the couse of stoping the status quou for many

[native galleon]

this might be a hot take but I don’t even think that the treatment of animals was the main cause of the protests preceding the war. I think it’s more likely that increasingly dangerous working conditions, pollution making areas less habitable to life, and even the corruption of large creatures that start attacking people, all combined with the staggering inequality between the suppliers and receivers…that would be what makes things reach a boiling point. The animal exploitation thing would also be a concern, but it wouldn’t be the main one. It’s when people also start to get hurt, on a large scale, that things would really escalate. Especially if your realm is between the literal king and a playground for the wealthy.

I mean, if it was just about the animals, we’d see fighting in Prairie or something, but instead it’s Wasteland. Because when the last tree has fallen, and the rivers are poisoned…..yknow

[sharp lichen]

You can replay the cutscenes by talking to the seasonal guide

In this case it would be the last one, I think

[hushed steeple]

Well, you also need to take into acount that these are not just dumb beasts like most of our animals, and many (particularly the giant ones) were almost saintiant. Also, it can not be overstated just how HUGE of a thing the conection between ancesters and light creatures were in the era of fire. It was practicly the basis for there entire religion

The baseline consern for the world was higher for the ancesters before darkstones then for most advanced cultures before the industrialization. So while I totally agree with what your saying from a "this is how humans work" point of view, and I get your perspective.....
While the biggest reason for the conflict would have been " when people also start to get hurt" , the devestation on the living creatures and the effect it would have had on many ancesters and there sence of identety con not be ignored

[grim horizon]

ohhhh tyty

[native galleon]

I don’t think we disagree there - I didn’t say it would be ignored, I meant that it would be a secondary reason, not the primary one.

[hushed steeple]

Its also inportant to remember that in the old concept art, the war was actially one fought between the light creatures and the ancesters, with a masive force whales, giant mantas and other light creatures mobilizing an atack on the capital on the capital that was on in what we now know as edan
With one force pushing towards the mountain and the other pushing back, the main battlefild ended up being Waistland, with the countless gigantic sceletons beinng the result of that conflict

[nimble ingot]

Interestingly, there was a supposedly foreshadowing with a massive creature traveling along side the skykid's journey up the mountain.
Where you would have seen it fighting the King at the peak (this was supposedly scrapped before Light Awaits' development since the King never officially made an apperance in the game).

[hushed steeple]

now in the curent version of the game, the main conflict is shown more as a civil war, but given that the graveyard is still very much a thing, it seams that the initial war between the elder light beings and the king deffenitly still hapenned, and that near extinction of the elder light creatures along with the direct atack on the kingdom was what finally split the kingdom into a civil war

[hushed steeple]

never said that it WAS the primary reason, only that it grew more prevelent over time, from seen as a necesety if even known, to a growing resentmant of the curent regime, allong with the devestation of the enviromant

Which in this world with the main energy sorce being also the the thing that gives the enviromant and creatures life, ruening the natural flow of light energy and harming creatures and nature DOES directly harm the comman ancester
The two are more conected in sky then they are in our world

[lean kayak]

Idk but at the treehouse there are sometimes rainy days and sometimes sunny days

[quiet solar]

i know that treehouse area is separated into a non rainy area and a rainy area

[cold sparrow]

It's not just that. During the week, it rains. Towards the weekend, the rain stops.

[drifting heath]

Random lore paragraph would be nice Ngl

[nimble ingot]

what would you like to know?

[drifting heath]

Anything abt season of little prince or shattering

[lyric imp]

As far as we assume similarity to tlp book, then most likely no

[grim horizon]

sensible tbh
also, what kind of technology did the spirits have cuz we know we have a camera but could there also be radios and other types of stuff that generate images or sound

[nimble ingot]

The wounds of the past are never far from sight.

The light around us is in constant motion. Who could not see it? Who could not feel the joy of its movement?

Once, we guided the migrating flocks. Once, behemoths flew alongside us in peace. And then we took the light from the wind. The behemoths that remained were only the monuments to ourselves. Our cities shone with a captive glow. We were enraptured as we taught our machines to bind and hoard.

The world of the present can be healed, but our past cannot be undone. Jagged remnants lie in our wake, and even for the mountain it is too much to hold.
https://www.thatskygame.com/news/shards-of-the-past-arrive-in-season-of-shattering

Shattering has been an interesting season.
It was the the first to have no recognisable ancestors spirits. When the season was announced, TGC explained they wanted to take a different approach to this season. Citing that they wanted to take on a different approach to story telling, "In place of Spirits who once lived in Sky’s towns and villages sharing their memories, shards of Darkness hold glimpses of memories for players to find."

These fragments shows us various instances of what seems like a migration (speculation). Except for the final one that contains all of the elders.

The all elders shard is interestingly has some history to it.
The models used for the elders were from Light Awaits. During its development, Eden was a realm that had changed a lot, and with these changes, deviated from the concept art storyline. This in turn left the lore and story become ambiguous (uncertain). Take note that while concept art may be frequently used as references in analysing the lore, it is sadly not a reliable means of confirming lore canons. They do however give an idea of what the devs were working on.
There was once a time where players were able to find a place dubbed Blue Eden. An OOB of an alternate end in Eden. The elders figures in the Red shard memory are from Blue Eden

[lyric imp]

Tbh i imagine graveyard was a marine sanctuaryof sorts. Notice how the ground level changes falls to the level of shipwreck (which is basically sea level) and then goes back up. There are pipes connecting shipwreck and graveyard. What separates the areas is an enormous wall which to me resembles a dam, especially with the shapes at a very high level. Shipwreck is on a very shallow water such that it cannot move. Hence, water level in there probably used to be higher... Or there were large tides. That would also explain the wall, i think

[nimble ingot]

[cont'd]

The diamond shattering was not part of the original blue eden. The Here is a video showing this (credit to Miriam, who was fortunate to come across this place and record it).
This may imply that the elders being part of the shattering event is still a valid theory, however it is uncertain whether we can prove if they were responsible for its shattering.

Another fun fact about this memory is the forest elder statue.
That model is an exception to the others as the forest elder's statue was absent in Blue Eden. Speculation and theories lead to the elder possibly being updated at the time. Which meant thier statue was not ready yet. When these models were carried over to the current version of Sky. The Forest Elder's statue was added. You can tell this by the quality of the model. The others may seem a bit fragmented, seeing they were from a much older time in the game.

It may not be true ingame lore, but at least it is an interesting tidbit about the history of the game.

[sharp lichen]

I have a random video about Shattering if you’d like An extremely disorganized rambling about the Season of Shattering, a few months late.

https://youtu.be/azczOulpIbk

[nimble ingot]

Now Little Prince.

It was the first collaboration season in Sky. The devs stated that the story in the book was an inspiration to the game, and thus its plot has been integrated to the Sky universe.
Crossovers like these make determining what is canon and what is part of the collab a bit tricky, but still manageable if one would be able to tell them apart.

From the book, we know the Little Prince himself is an anomaly to the Sky universe. A guest if you like to see it like that. His actions in the game may not fully be canon, and yet his actions do give us skykids some insight to the lore. Namely we know that Eden can petrify living beings caught in its gaze/Light. Since the Little Prince was without winged light to protect him (a cape so to speak), he hardly stood a chance. Not to mention that Eden is very cold. The Little Prince was seen shivering in the realm and this may be a hint towards other parts of Eden based on this information.

The story of the Little Prince was about his journey, where he found a rose and tried to care of it. He left his home to explore other worlds. He met new faces and made some friends along the way. He knew that he had to return to his home and go back to his rose. But he has trouble doing so. Along the way, he met a pilot who crashed his plane. And as he told his story to the pilot, the pair slept under the stars near a well. To the pilot's dismay, he finds out the Little Prince's plan with him talking to a snake. Later on, the Little Prince died to its poisonous bite.
The story has an open ended plot, where we dont know for sure if the Little Prince actually made it him.
We only believe that he did while looking up at the stars.

[nimble ingot]

When applied to the Sky lore, here is my interpretation/theory.
The Little Prince is a parody of the King/Sky Prince. The pilot and fox are the skykid, both of which are friends of the Little Prince. The snake was a Krill and Eden is death. The realms were the worlds we visit and the characters were the ancestor spirits.

Us skykids may be able to help the Prince go home (as a pilot), but cannot make the trip on our own. The fox part is where skykids are able to befriend the Little Prince and learn how friendships work. The time spent and memories made could be an analogy of the Light we share in Sky. The Life we treasure.
The rose could possible be an analogy for Dark Stone, if not motes of light. A fragile and yet intoxicating substance that may be seen as precious, but can corrupt one's vision. The rose in the book is a selfish character, whose existence is temporary and the Little Prince had trouble fully understanding until later on in the story.

As far as the collab goes, the ancestors spirits were modelled after the characters in the book. Each one seems to be related to a realm. Namely, narcissist is related to Valley, soldier is related to wasteland, accountant is day, king is forest, cartographer is vault and lamplighter is dawn. Not all of these spirits connections were obvious, although one can deduce which ones could be connected to where (this is up for debate and your own interpretation).
the chains on the spirits are a unique detail to the season and Sky. I hypothesize that these chains could be a reference to A Christmas Carol. Where one of the ghosts in the story was in chains and attached to them were objects they once valued in life. These chains symbolised the sins/vices the spirits were bound to.
Perhaps with these ones in the season each ancestor was bound by their flaws.

[nimble ingot]

When the season passed, the copyright of the book prevented the Little Prince to remain. Hence their appearance was changed to keep them as a reminder (memory/echo) of their role in the season narrative. This is also partly why the rose was used as the guide.
Seeing the guide was the one telling the story, I hypohtesize that the Rose in the season could be a fragment of Eden. A memory or a piece of Light.

In any case, to end with returning to shattering.

It is good to take note that prior to the season, we did not have shard events. However, it has been stated (somewhere in the original message's link) that these shard events were intended to take place as if they were a thing from the start.
Meaning since the season arrived, the shard events were not a new development. They should be seen as part from the game from the start.

These shards seem to be fragments of the Eden Diamond (Eye of Eden). Seeing they contain memories, it is safe to assume this massive crystal was supposed to hold memories, similar to the smaller ones ancestor spirits used.

I like to think the Eye of Eden has the memories of the elders. And one of them might be a memory of the lost Eden Elder (the King).
Seeing that there are 6 memories and when combined, they may form a 7th vision.
Sadly though, we may not know the full story just yet.
Since the game has no ending, and I believe the devs have planned to keep the ending a secret till they have reached 'the end game.'
I suppose we should as Ash states in their status, WAFO (Wait and Find Out)

[sharp lichen]

Raider text walls once again

[nimble ingot]

3 years studying lore has lead me to write causal theses. lol
More like reciting the history of the game/lore/concept art.

[leaden field]

I love reading text walls

[rugged jackal]

Hello!
So, I want to make a Sky iceberg, but am stuck finding more obscure things, so figured there’s no better place to ask for obscure Sky stuff than here!
Do you guys have anything to add?

[sharp lichen]

By obscure sky stuff, do you mean hidden lore theories/facts, or chaotic Sky controversies, or perhaps both?

[rugged jackal]

Both will work, though a bit more of the former for deeper tiers

[sharp lichen]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

This one covers a bit more of the former. The second one is much noticeably "deeper" than the first

[rugged jackal]

Ooh 👀 these will work nicely thank you

[sharp lichen]

All Sky icebergs should include the gat controversy, as well as the remembrance fanart controversy. The others (besides maybe ||KP and Jam for the deepest tiers||) aren't recommended

I think only canon things should be included for the iceberg, unless it's a theory that's so chaotic yet has proof

Confirmed things that are still worthy of being in the iceberg
-Spirits are genderless
-Non-canon Sanctuary
-Vault is dreamlike
-Eden Elder isn't around to be saved
-Elder cutscenes beyond space and time
-Crab walk cycle
-Skykids do not have teeth

Chaotic yet plausible theories
-The Sky world doesn't experience time
-Eden Diamond is like a black hole
-Skykids are made of photons
-The Sky kingdom only lasted 1 generation
-All spirits lived at the same time

• Trials are pocket dimensions/imaginary
• Mantas were drained of their light to provide darkstone
  -Speed of Skykids
  -Sus Isle Elder
  -Skykids have mouths
  -Skykids don't have mouths

[rugged jackal]

Ooh thank you again! These seem very interesting

[uncut pond]

Sadly, I'm not sure "spirits/ancestors are genderless" will remain canon for much longer, since in a recent interview Jenova Chen has referred to one of the protagonists of Two Embers explicitly using masculine nouns and pronouns, but we'll have to wait and see if that translates to the actual series
(obviously this doesn't rule out the possibility of ancestors being born without any assigned gender at all or the existence of individual agender ancestors)

Also wdym non-canon sanctuary when did that happen

[sharp lichen]

Ktjn said: “Not everything is necessarily official canon for this season [of Sanctuary]."

[sharp lichen]

That interview also said it will be narrated, without any spoken dialogue form the characters.

Also, keep in mind every spirit in Sky uses they/them in game. Given COTL and TTE share directors, maybe it's just an interview quirk or a slip-up, and the actual series uses they/them pronouns. Then again, it will depend on how much TTE is connected to COTL: will it be a direct supplement to the lore found in the game, a new story based on the game, or an alternate universe altogether? The truth is, we don't know, and we'll have to 🧇

[rugged jackal]

Also.. what exactly was the gat controversy?

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[sharp lichen]

the return of an old enemy.

[rugged jackal]

I think it’s pretty good!

[obtuse tapir]

WHAT THE HE

THAT LOOKS SICK WHAT

[sharp lichen]

baja blast eden

[obtuse tapir]

Okay but where is that

[rugged jackal]

That looks so cool in a scary way

I should spend time here more often again this is cool

[sharp lichen]

some very old version of sky, possibly dated to 2018/early 2019? In sky light awaits

[obtuse tapir]

The video was the first thing i saw when entering the channel and my jaw dropped BHAHAHAH

[sharp lichen]

welcome to Sky lore

[sharp lichen]

Eden is the realm that has been the most changed as time goes on. Isle also has been changed quite a bit, but the shift from minty cool blue to red was needed imo

[obtuse tapir]

Im so sorry but why did my message get deleted

[obtuse tapir]

What i was saying was i was watching the channel for a while and just didnt knwo what to say

[sharp lichen]

the wrath of skybot

[hushed steeple]

No, no it aint😅
You will see when the animated series drops

[compact shale]

Sky kids canonically don’t have teeth?

[hushed steeple]

And I salute you man
This is a crazy good analysis of the little prince season.
🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩

There are a few things like cutrain interpretations of the book and which spirit goes with which season that might be up for debate, but those parts are really down to one interpretation, and all that can be decuces as true is true.

You should really make a google doc of this entire post.
It would be a shame to loose it all in the backlog

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Perhaps.

There has been a fantastic collection of docs written be theorists here.

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unsheathes katana

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So, just a bit of clerificatio🤔

I rememeber seing videos from Light awaits that show the end of edan, end it didnt look like this

Is this an earlyer/later versoin of the pre lounch end of edan, or some kind of oob that this player happen to find that shows a version of the storm that TGS was working on but decided non to put in the game

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It was at some point during devlopment in the beta for Light Awaits.
I dont know the specifics, though figure is was added in one update, then changed in the next.

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Mainly askinng becouse I wanna know when in the producrion cycle did the edan diamond become a thing, and how it effect the lore of the elders,

Becouse in the old version of the story, the final obsticle in edan was actually the king ,gigantic hyper corupted by darkness that acted as the final boss

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Oooh, interesting
So that comferms it
The edan diamond is a very late adition to the lore
Possebly dureing the early days of Light awaits, which would put it a good long time after all the lore we got about the anceaters and elders from the concept art🤔

More over, the conection between the diamond and the elders was a thing from the start, even if it wasnt shown to us until the shatering season🤔

Still up for debate if they were the ones to couse the shatering, or they try to stop it and ended up being too little too late

Personally Im more leaning towards the second

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Lads, lasses and lassos, place your bets

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Krills are corrupted and corrupted mantas are kiind of the same thing, since we're pretty sure the krills in abyss are corrupted mantas, but it doesn't mean all krills come from mantas

[lyric imp]

I'd do these poins in a different order, but aside from that i'd add a few more things

Color lights: probably retreived from trials by the king who wasn't the king yet, given to elders to terraform their realms or somehow jepl them otherwise. It's speculated that we see theor extensive use in other seasons like aurora and sanctuary, but it's not all certain. We're unsure whether the 4 elemental lights in cave murals are exactly the same as the ones from enchantment

I'd rephrase the vault upper floors point. Common theories about it is that it's immaterial or somehow dreamlike or noneuclidean

In terms of eden, the black hole theory is that it draws in light in the form of sky kids, but more importantly that the whole kingdom is in temporal stasis and it all conmects with relativistic time-bending effects (relativity doesn't actually work like that but who cares)

There once was a dude here who suggested that sky kids are literally made of photons and that 3rd person perspective was canon because they could absorb light with their whole body