lore-discussion-spoilers

[sharp lichen]

They’re corrupted…. Somethings

[hushed steeple]

I don’t get it, where are we supposed to be on the second photo?

[sharp lichen]

this is near the end credits

[hoary lintel]

A bit late to the party, but I'm so excited for all the lore Two Embers is gonna bring !!
And all the landmarks we saw in thr trailer, I'm in awe

[hushed steeple]

x2!

also

uuhh.. hello¿?!?!? this is golden wasteland!??! is that clean water??!?!

WHY IS THE SKY BLUE

[cobalt palm]

We can even see Eden in the distance

[hushed steeple]

It’s the shipwreck pre-corrupted

[hushed steeple]

true

also to the coment aboe tihs one

yes

[cobalt palm]

I did have a theory that the stuff in the containers spilling out of the shipwreck caused some of the water to go dark, as there was a concept art showing that kind of containers as waste disposal from the diamond factories

[tawdry crag]

Which concept art

[cobalt palm]

It was one of Tom Zhaos on artificial stars, it's been posted in here a fair bit, I'll see if I can link it

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/632004389137154048/1033703532156686346/032_Sky.jpg

You will probably need to download it to read the descriptions

this one is a bit more... disturbing

Tom Zhao artificial star factory cages and refinery process

[earnest granite]

what is the plot of sky really????

[pastel brook]

A "moth" is a new player. They have brown wings, they flap around uncontrollably, and they are drawn to flame!

[cobalt palm]

It has multiple plots, firstly there's the journey you are on, then there's the wider individual stories of the spirits, and seasons, and then the story of the downfall of the past civilization. And on top of that there are the symbols of each realm to a stage of life and death, and all the possible personal takeaways from that.

[copper saffron]

Wait, what? How did you determine this?

[cobalt palm]

But a brief timeline,
At some point a long time ago, a civilisation we know as spirits built the realms of Sky, and lived there.
At some point, a disaster happened, most likely to do with Eden and the sources of power, being the crystals they found in the realms, which powered their civilization.

There were prophecies of one who would complete the trials and give lights to the spirits, and return the Elders. That may be a figure known as The Prince (not the little one ), the Child of Light, or us, or all 3, or any combination, as we may be parts of the child of light.

Anyway, we are sent by some one/thing to return the spirits to The Light.

That is a very broad overview of the main story

[sharp lichen]

They both have the darkness crystals growing out of the body

[cobalt palm]

Each individual season has its own story lines too, and from the glimpses of the individuals stories we see a bigger story of what life was like before we came.

[copper saffron]

Huh
I might have to go rewatch wounded warrior then

[sharp lichen]

It's because of their mask with darkstone crystals in their mask

[copper saffron]

Ohhhhhh
Because i dont remember there being crystals on their body

[cobalt palm]

It's clearer in the cosmetics preview

https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/Wounded_Warrior?file=SoRemembrance-Wounded-Warrior-Mask.png

[copper saffron]

Ahhh i see now

[cosmic slate]

Some nom noms I found in concept pages

[cobalt palm]

OMG the vault ceiling donut!

https://youtu.be/PznArH6K394?si=OkDgBYg5f02-iOtA&t=113

[sharp lichen]

best self plug i've ever seen

[cobalt palm]

That's the only reason I do videos, if I've seen a thing, I generally can find the video it's in

Otherwise I'm hunting through all my screenshots and downloads for stuff I inevitably haven't titled, which is now well over 8000 items

[trim mural]

squsih 🔷

[cobalt palm]

➕ 🔹
🟰
🔶 ➕ 🦴

[brisk umbra]

the darkness we melt for wax, could it be considered something similar to fungi?

[sharp lichen]

I guess?? But the mycologists might have some stuff to say

[serene geyser]

The title "The Two Embers" seems to indicate that the main characters are two spirit children, but what will their journey be?

[opaque stirrup]

I wonder if they’ll talk in the series. I’m hoping that they’ll just honk tbh lol

[oak axle]

So how’s lore chat?

[empty belfry]

Tired from all the new lore in the teaeer

[oak axle]

Same, hope you rest well

[pallid dust]

I am shocked by the lore from the teasers of the project. I am looking forward to meeting him. I wonder where it will be released?

[fierce lagoon]

orbit lore

[cosmic slate]

The darkness is dead mantas I beleive since when a manta dies in aurora concert first song the manta turns into darkness upon death and we have seen a manta or two “stuck” in the darkness plants in forrest

[pastel brook]

You're a part of the Isle of Dawn where the light comes from the dark 🕯️

[harsh trellis]

The darkness plants are most likely polluted plants from over use of dark stone, which probably could be fungi, they probably are light blooms but I’m not sure.

[hushed steeple]

YES YES YES

[spiral isle]

anybody wonder why golden wasteland is green

[hoary lintel]

Green is the color most associated with pollution and toxins, so that's probably why !
But lore reasons, honestly I'm not too sure. I don't personally know of any phenomenons that cause an area to be green like gw

[slim compass]

If the realms represent life then the statues are graves

[hushed steeple]

A season based on the animated series is a given right?

[native gate]

Who’s statue is this? The picture was taken from eye of eden! Is this the eden statue ?

[stray nimbus]

Maybe that's why they are called 'golden' wasteland 👀

[arctic sphinx]

this is confusing why the ship already there and the sky is clean, no crabs and krill.

[lusty merlin]

It’s probably an old shipwreck that they haven’t had time to clean up, there are shipwrecks in our world we can still visit so it makes sence

[halcyon wren]

We've seen mantas and birb turn into darkness plants in the concert, but when we burn them, butterflies fly out. Definitely a sign of "captured" Light creatures. I also think of Tearful Light Miner's friend who had darkness plant growing from inside of them.

[lyric mountain]

I'm gonna make a real big brain pitch, one too big for my brain to fully comprehend - but I think the two embers is a time-hopping plot. The teaser includes things that don't line up with the current generally understood history of Sky, as well as switching between very crowded and very isolated scenes with different kids. My thought is we're exploring what the game can't in detail - the distant past (short hair kid, just before the Eden eruption) and the distant future (long hair kid, after the pollution we see has faded or been cleared). The title likely refers to the two kids being the two focuses, with their actions and adventures being reflected on each other to show the full picture of Sky across aeons.

And somewhat more speculative, the idea of a future after us is very tasty. I've always questioned if it was simply the looping gameplay, or if trying to free spirits and clear Eden was a truly Sisyphean task. I think it would be just plain nice to know we succeed at some point, or at least help.

(Also a note - the outfits of the kids and that vault-looking person caught my eye. They look similar to the outfits from passage, so it could be akin to a school uniform? Red and cream tunics might just be their polo shirts and pinafores.)

[distant turtle]

I’m interested in the massive rotunda. I think I know what it is.

[muted bramble]

Dude it would be such very interesting plot. Time hopping is something that we dont get to see in cinema/shows (atleast for me) so itll be a ride

[potent sedge]

I also saw that like the mom(?) in the beginning had scale-ish things on her arm/shoulder and I thought that she had the darkness on her

[hushed steeple]

Thats very possible
A big part of the old story of sky is how people become infected by the darkness

Although it probably wont look like these old concept arts

A more likely theory is that those scales are similar to what we get when we are nearly all out of light in Edan

Perhaps in-universe this coruption is a lot harder(or takes much longer) to get rid off then we see in the gameplay🤔

Eather that or there was way less light for healing available for the sky mama in the trailer

Like everything else we will have to wait and see😅

[boreal marsh]

Don’t they look like the crystals in the new area?

[real isle]

[hushed steeple]

The new preary area?
Well technicly thats how all the crystals looked in there row form ( it would have been like that in foreat too)

I kinda had this theory that a small part off the dust that makes up the storm in edan is made of crystal dust that kinda latches on to us

[boreal marsh]

Now that I’m thinking about it it’s a kinda weird that they grow on skypeople/kids.

[boreal marsh]

Is the red shards also has part in making the crystal grow on us ?

[hushed steeple]

Well my original though is that the corupred crystals kinda grow like a funguss, sucking our inner light

When we have enough surpluss light, we are strong enough to resist the effect, but when we have no light surpluss, thats when it eats away our inner light

[hushed steeple]

Yes, the red crystals are the main couse, since they are the crystals fully overloaded and curupted by darkness
There proximate makes even regular cryatals damgerous
Although when it mixes with out pure light it ends up as regular crystals
( this last part is me pulling stuff out of my back cheeks, so that that with a bag of salt😅😅😅)

[boreal marsh]

Yeah i also thought of it like fungus, and you’re kinda right since the crystals in doors and other things need light in order to work

[boreal marsh]

I just remembered that the ones in prairie doesn’t absorb light, so they might be different?

[hushed steeple]

Thats becouse there not corupred or overused

So yeah, there are a coupel of stages difference between the corupting cryatals and the thing we see in preary

[hushed steeple]

The ones in priery isnt so much crystal as we use it, but crystal ore ( or crystals in there natural state)

This is then extracted, refined, reshaped and then infused with light to get the crystal we use to open dores

More advance methods would have probably been used for the really big stuff

And then you got the crystals in edan that had been coruptid beyond recognition ( red crystals and corupting dust)

So yeah, there are a coupel of stages difference between the corupting cryatals and the thing we see in preary

[mild marten]

been rewatching the trailer DID DID SHE GET CORRUPTED OR SOMETHING WHAT IS THAT STUFF ON HER ARM????

[hushed steeple]

Yeah, I kinda think thats the case

[hushed steeple]

Wrote my thoughs on it here

[mild marten]

ah ic ic

definitely seems following the story that the concept art was going for through which is rlly cool

[hushed steeple]

When it comes to the detales, we will have to wait for the animation to come out

But I am so happy that they will finally give a deffinative view of how the darkness coruption works in the curent cannon☺️

[hushed steeple]

The crystals in prearie peaks existed all over the sky continent in the past ( though mostly in Forest and Waistland kingdoms, which is why they had the most crystal factorys)

The giont cavern under Forest was made by the ancesters hollowing the earth in surch off all the crystals in that area

By the end of the old civilization, most of it would have been mined out, with only the abyss and the lands around edan being the ones with enough ore for large scale mineing

The ancestera probably worent aware of the ones in Prierie peaks until waaaaay later, and Im getting the fealing there would have been strong resistance to starting lagre scale mineing by the locals in order to not ruin the enviroment like in had happened in forest and waistland.

Or alternatibely they might have been keeped a secret for the same reason

The crystlas might have been left expised like that becouse of the erosion form the rivers and waterfalls that removed all the durt and soft rock around the crystlas

[hushed steeple]

We don’t really know if there are 2 main characters. But in the trailer, we see these 2 skids. But we haven’t seen them in the same scene together. So some of us think that they are the same

[sharp lichen]

That’s possible, but if the kid on the left is just an older version of the kid on the right…

Well darkness already seems to be infecting people in the right kid’s scene, so I don’t know how far forward it could be

I also think they’re ancestor children, like the ones from Passage, so they probably still age

[hushed steeple]

There is also the title of the series "The two embers"
Maby it refears to the child and manta, but the manta is always paired with the long haired child, so maby long hair and short hair kid are the "two embers"

[rocky brook]

My/my skysonas view on the world of Sky

My sona is Serena Woodsworth, a famous author and photographer, she lives in the in game sky world, though it's just slightly different, Eden is more of a fable rather than a real place, the AURORA concerts are more of an extremely interactive concert as well, rather than you turning into things, you move things you're given around (ex. The fish sequence, bird sequences, etc; her mega form is more of an illusion, like peppers ghost)

In her books, the sky world is like the game, but with much more mythical themes, such as powers, higher powered beings (the elders, references to angels, and a prominent diety she names "the black angel", as well as the megabird being the creator of the sky world, Eden being the former king of all the realms, who is now the reason of what she calls eden, "the trial of eden")

In this world, there are mainly three "ranks", not including the dieties. In which are explained in her trilogy series explaining all three, containing the books "moth", "veteran", "elder"

Moths : moths are young sky children, ranging from the age of birth to eden trial 5, give or take, as all moths "mature" into veterans at different speeds. They typically are small, childlike creatures, mostly harboring brown masks with pure white eyes, a pale brown cape and simple clothing. They can be gifted other outfits as well from parental/older sibling figures, being "Veterans". At a certain age, they mature into a Veteran, of which they are usually less childlike, their pure white eyes gaining their colored iris and pupils as well.
Veteran : veterans are matured moths, they're typically much faster and agile than moths, mostly acting as older familia figures to the younger moths, such as parents, siblings, guardians, etc. Usually older veterans tell stories of fables they've heard, such as the Megabird, the cause of the trial of Eden, life under rule of Eden, and the mysterious Black Angel, who is said to save the realms from the greatest evil they will ever see. They're usually much taller than moths, "chibi" veterans are also seen, guiding moths around the realms and helping them mature at an easy rate.

(1/?)

Elders : elders are the main seven storytellers and guardians of each realm. Isle, Prarie, Forest, etc. Once a run through the trial of Eden is completed, you will reach orbit, and be able to interact with the elders, they are quite calm, as they're the rumored founders of each realm, the first moths to touch the land of each realm, and the last to leave their homes behind. They're very kind and are extremely important to a moths maturing process, as they teach the moths, and even veterans going through the trials important skills of maturing.

The Megabird : the megabird is a fable told both in and out of Woodsworth's books, said to be the creator of each newborn moth, all ever maturing veteran, and wise elder. Every time you look at the starry sky above, you see just a small part of the bird, as it is too large to see whole. In murals painted by the original tribes who inhabited each realm, you can find references to the large creature, it's size seeming to grow the more skychildren are found throughout the world.

The Black Angel : the black angel is a fictional diety found within serenas books, primarily her series "Destiny of Light", its a mythical creature who's interacted with many of her characters, mainly Serena and Catbird(referenced in the ending of her current one off book, "Mortals under rule."). It's a large creature made of huge wings, somewhat resembling a large feathered four winged manta, the body of which harboring presumably four to six eyes. It is said to speak to and through Serena, as in the last few books in "Destiny of Light", it's shown that Serena eventually becomes the Black Angel, hinting that the Black Angel is more of a rare transformation that can happen when a major event is to happen one day. In an interview with Woodsworth, it's said she plans to add more to "Mortals under rule." To eventually explain what happens to the moth protagonist, Catbird, and King Daímonas, as it ends in a cliffhanger, which unfortunately ended with a small amount of backlash for major fans of the author.

(2/?)
I'm having a lot of fun being able to talk about this

Actually I think that's everything on my/my sona's interpretation on the sky world :D

[hushed steeple]

Fascinating😍
You've really rhough things through

[rocky brook]

Fun fact about the Black Angel, it's an actual thing I've seen in game, it's probably the biggest influence on my love for sky, even though I can't find it anymore due to finishing the flight quests, I even drew how I imagine it looks!

[hushed steeple]

And with stuff like megabird, the king and the "black angel" being fables, there is a lot of room to explore how much is or is not real, and how much is how everyone asumed

[rocky brook]

This is an out of bounds, textureless manta on the edge of Flights area, I was told it was probably held there for one of the final cutscenes, which is why its no longer there when the quests are finished

[hushed steeple]

Oh yeah, I remember that🤔
That area was not visible before the wind cleared up the area after the 5th quest

A gigantic 4 winged manta come in and buldoze the dark crystals

[rocky brook]

I started crying when I went to see it after I finished the quests, I'd visit it every day lol-

[earnest briar]

They look like they want to shake my hand in that last picture

[rocky brook]

Serena Woodsworth makes books for all age demographics, ranging from tales for young children, such as "Myth of the Megabird", being a tale for young moths to listen to, her pre-teen to teenager series "Destiny of Light", and her more mature books

She's made informational books as well, like the trilogy series describing moths to elders, more sad books about the potential future of using creatures of light for transportation and such, and what damage Shard Storms could be if they reach more populated places of the realms

[sharp lichen]

Perhaps they’re a relative of the upgrade manta

[hushed steeple]

Is it ok if I make a slight sugestion 😅

I like the idea of aurora concert being like an illusion, but maby insted of controling a creature your astral projecting in the form of a fish/bird/manta..... and releaving memories of the distant past?

Its perfectly ok if you dont like this, just makeing sugestion☺️

[nimble ingot]

I believe that was the greater manta that would make an appearance in the final quest.

It is not uncommon for the devs to store creatures out of bounds in preparation of an event/encounter. Although they usually end up in places players are not meant to see.
Given us players are curious, determined and can fly. It can be a bit tricky to hide certain things without placing these creatures well out of bounds.

[sharp lichen]

Since it’s implied the Skykid has returned to this world after a long time, it would be cool to think the light creatures we control are actually our past lives

[rocky brook]

I like to imagine it's an extremely good illusion using lights and the popular "peppers ghost" effect used in rides at themeparks, the moment where she Flys around at the end of the concert being a light show while the moments where you hear the songs are maybe a show played on a larger stage (I feel like the stadium is MUCH larger in "reality" than in the game, the entire skating rink being a stage for all to see, maybe more light illusions making it easier for all to see

[rocky brook]

It was sad to see it not where I had found it, but it helped me make an extremely important part in DoL(destiny of light)'s lore, since Serena(a main character in the books) is the one who becomes the angel in the end, as she's the one who defeats the antagonist in the series

Also, another fun fact, Serena Woodsworth's self insert isnt actually the Serena in the books, her self insert is Catbird/Robin, I've explained why before but I thought it was a really cool fact about her, she states it in a fictional interview that Catbird is her self insert rather than Serena

[hushed steeple]

Make sence
And yes, I do belive the stadium is much bigger in universe.

[hushed steeple]

Do you have a google dock or something like that
This seams like there's way more to the story then you've mentioned😅

[rocky brook]

waayy more stuff in my head compared to what I've talked about I haven't but I do plan to make one to work on during my free time in school, I don't know why but I work best with things like this in class hehfh

I have a rough idea on the entire story of DoL, I just need to think of book titles and piecing them all together

[reef fulcrum]

"The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" features a "Restaurant at the End of the Universe."

(It's a book)

It describes how the "dome" around the Restaurant is "above, but all around". The ways it bends and curves light, so you can look all around at all points in the universe while still being able to turn back around and look at your table.

It's a long book, with dry humor for those who are interested, and it obviously describes it better than I am rn, but I think what you guys are talking about in the Stadium is like the same sort of thing. Space and light folded around and over itself so that everyone sitting inside of this "dome" can all see down onto the same stage. Idk, it all just came back to me reading up when I tuned in. It wasn't really what I came in here to ask...

[rocky brook]

If i remember correctly, that's really similar to how the peppers ghost effect works! It uses light and a pane(?) of glass to make a semi transparent effect, similar to a ghost, it's used in many rides, most prominent being the ballroom scene in the "Haunted Mansion" at Disney parks!

[reef fulcrum]

I'll definitely look more into that, but I have another entirely theoretical question about the Lighthouse.

[hallow pilot]

1 The girl has messy hair and seems a bit dirty, I guess she’s got caught in the war and had to run away and is looking for shelter (probably for days).
Since she seems to be alone, she’s probably an horfan and
she just was able to save the fam pet or they befriended each other on the way, or she got separated from their family.
2-3 I think the people in red capes are professors ( and maybe spoilers of possible season). They have students or 2 person is a priest or takes care of the children. Wanted to post this yesterday and forgot

[reef fulcrum]

It seems like a monster (maybethe monster) clawed up the side of it, and literally chomped the Beacon right out of the top to devour it's Light.

Yet a WL remains.

Is it somehow a remnant of the Light from the Beacon?

It makes me wonder about all of the WL, if they were just extremely powerful sources of Light that were destroyed by the darkness, leaving only the purest part that can't be destroyed...

Do krill and crabs attack WL?
Like if you get krilled, and drop light on the ground, will crabs attack it?

[hushed steeple]

Well maby you can use this as a fantasy book idea
"A dance of light and shadow"

Its a sky story I've been developing with a great friend of mine, about a love story between the king of the manta Ardal, and the queen of the krill Zaphira

DO NOT STEAL!!!!!!!!!!

[hushed steeple]

In game they dont

[white depot]

in the boneyard area of wasteland, there are winged light on full display for krills and they dont attack them - one next to the bone fire and one at the entrance to battlefield

[misty saddle]

What in moths sake is that

[reef fulcrum]

Really makes me wonder where WL actually comes from.

What makes it different from normal Light?
And does all Light contain the elements necessary to create Wing Magic... For lack of a better term.

[misty saddle]

Is wl dead skykids?

[reef fulcrum]

I've talked before about how the Eden Cataclysm and Darkstone may be partially to thank for the creation of Skykids. Some deep stuff here about duality and balance.

[sharp lichen]

There are many theories about winged light, but they’re called “lost memories” in game, so they might be remnants of earlier Skykids

[misty saddle]

Didnt megabird sent them (skykids) to help spirits to return to itself?

[reef fulcrum]

That darkness is a necessary part of nature, and I think what I'm getting at here; is that only Dark Creatures have the ability to condense Light into this new and improved form.

[misty saddle]

Where? In the code?because i never saw the game refering to wl as lost memories

[reef fulcrum]

There's also the use of the word "Return" when you enter the Storm at Eden. "Return the Light to the Fallen." Heavily implies it was theirs to begin with, and the WL at the Lighthouse has nothing to do with the Beacon. They just went back there after the fact because it was a familiar place.

[rocky brook]

I think it's a similar situation with krill, they're not actually named krill in the game, they're "dark dragons", but they've been collectively nicknamed krill by the community, it's probably the name of the model

Plus, isn't the megabird a fanon name too? I don't think it was ever confirmed, if anything the megabird is a myth in reality

[misty saddle]

I think megabird name is mentioned in concept art (?)

Wish i had the picture

[reef fulcrum]

I think that because other Concept art has been scrapped or even outright contradicted by evidence in the game; Sky is one of the franchises that ALL concept art is not classified as canon.

[misty saddle]

Oh, none of it is canon... kinda sad imo

[sharp lichen]

Megabird was used once in concept art, in game its called “The Light” but it’s so vague that it’s not a real alternative

[misty saddle]

Megabird is at least abit clear because in game looks a little like a bird

[reef fulcrum]

"take it with a grain of salt"
It also means that "circumstantial evidence" is classifiable as proof.

[misty saddle]

What do you mean whit circumstantial evidence

[reef fulcrum]

Case in point.
"If the shoe fits" is another fun phrase that works here.

"If it quacks like a Megabird" right?

[misty saddle]

True lol

[rocky brook]

Something I like about the devs is they don't force canon names onto their community, like they don't force their players to call krill "dark dragons" just because it's the actual name of the creatures, they embrace the fact the game is an "up to your interpretation", nothing is really canon, it's more of a base for you to start with, you don't have to call something by it's name in the game

[misty saddle]

True, that gives even more space for speculation

[rocky brook]

I also like that they don't patch oob's in fact they try to make them look better (example is the oob at grandma's, it used to be sunny and bright but it's a now more relaxing and eye pleasing deeper blue hue)

[misty saddle]

Thats, a bit weird imo... why they dont hide it?

[rocky brook]

There's a very popular oob in the temple at valley, it's the sunset castle, it's very beautiful if you visit it, I like to imagine the oob's are more of Easter eggs, like the penguin suit at the performance stage

The oobs aren't really game breaking, they don't cause performance issues and dont have exploitation properties, they're just areas that players managed to find by chance or by actively hunting for them

[misty saddle]

The moments camera allows to see BETTER certain things at oobs

[misty saddle]

Some youtuber even profit of finding and recording them

[rocky brook]

They don't really cause harm though, like I said, they don't cause performance or exploitation issues, they're just areas players managed to find and can be really nice secret social areas, example being the sunset castle!

[earnest patrol]

i don't frequent this channel too much, but would anyone be able to tell me the interpretation of the Shattered memory with the Eden diamond surrounded by krill?

[misty saddle]

Omg it looks so cool? Any guide in how to get there?

[rocky brook]

The sunset castle is where the cutscene where you meet the valley twin elders!

@earnest patrol (sorry for ping, alternate reply) sky is always up for interpretation, everyone's view of the lore is different, my personal interpretation is the krill are the personification the evil the king(eden) went through, corrupting him and causing the actual Eden area and the shard storms

[rocky brook]

Youtube is very helpful! It's kind of hard to explain but it's quite easy to find and get to!

[nimble ingot]

More like they don't give out canon names for all creatures/characters in the game.
When a creator of a story gives the name of their characters or creatures, it is not forcing a name into the community. It is simply canonising the name for fans as the name the author would like to present their with their creations.

What TGC does instead is leaving parts of the lore blank for the player to fill in when they tell their version of the story.
I see that is giving the players some power/say in how the lore goes as they retell it to someone.
Although this may lead to inaccuracies or variations to the same facts in the game as told by the players.

The mantra, ' The lore of Sky is open to interpretation.' Is a double edged sword in terms of the names of things in the game.
What TGC puts out in Sky may be canon, but what one could determine as canon is now up to their interpretation.
Such as for Dark Dragons; fans of the game thought to call them Krill based on how they interpret the creature's appearance. To which TGC adopted the name and present it alongside the original name.
Both may be considered canon, while one of them came from the players' interpretation of the lore

[rocky brook]

you really are a lore guardian, this made my lore loving brain wiggle

[nimble ingot]

A short guide here:

Go to the Valley Temple. Once inside, fly up to the windows at the to. Keep to the right (facing the elder shrine) and shimmy your way to the back window (the one nearest towards the entrance of the temple).
Once there, make sure you have some light to fly for a bit as you slip through an invisible gap in the window frame.

Once you are outside, stay close to the temple wall and fly towards the clouds. Dont land by the temple doors as that would make you leave the area. Simply go to the clouds and then fly towards the floating coliseum in the distance.

You will see the sky shift to what you see in the picture from Serana when you land on it. 🙂

[misty saddle]

Very smart move, tgc. I have seen this in other games whit weird lore, but tgc is ACTIVELY inforcing the comunity to iterate the story in many diferent ways

Examples, darkdragom and krill, "take concept art whit a grain of salt" little lore pieces in seasons ect

(This was from concept art, but aparently it came back in the masks of season of passage)

[nimble ingot]

not necessarily as a mask in prophecy (although it may have been an influence with TGC integrating the backstory of the realms with the seasons.

The mask for this early version of the elder is in the game in some form.
That being you can find the lynx like mask on the doorframe to the Forest Temple.

I love concept art.
They give you a good look into the artist's process and how their ideas (concepts) are translated and refined into the final results in the game (the art).

A fantastic example of this process we can see evolve over time is the concept art for Season of Flight. Particularly with the season spirits.
There you can see the initial concept of bird feathers, dark stone technology with the bells and their professions shift and eventually settle to what we have in the live game.
My favourite is the bird wing cape that was at one point given to the chimesmith, then light whisperer and navigator.
And one can even see the look and colours change in sime itterations before we have this blue/orange combo and less of the bird shawls one may see on Pinterest, to a version that the devs mentioned ties in with the navigator's job with signalling. Where the tassels at the tips of the cape could be used as small flags, even though the in game version uses normal flags.

[misty saddle]

Where can i see it? Sounds interesting. I want to see more concept art even if is not 100% canon

[nimble ingot]

of course. There is a website.
let me get the link

[misty saddle]

Concept art can be interesting to look at, even if is not that relevant, it maybe return at some point which is fascinating to my view

To me, sky lore is not a "puzzle" meant to be assembled in a specific way, but a "painting" that can be finished in various diferent ways because we have a lot of space to imagine and speculate about it, and we are ENCOURAGED to do it by tgc itself

[sharp lichen]

I actually don’t know about the grandma OOB, where is it?

[nimble ingot]

https://thatgamecompany.helpshift.com/hc/ko/17-sky-children-of-the-light/faq/863-kr-only-the-art-of-season-of-flight-and-a-challenge-for-sky-photographers/?l=ja

Pardon the language, if you set it to English, the article simply wont appear.
Not sure why other than the article could have been posted only in Japanese. Google translate would help with the text.

[misty saddle]

Every season, every cosmetic is a new "color" to our "color pallete" so, we csn have better "results" on our interpretations about what happened

[hushed steeple]

There kinda like the last moments before the giant cryatal in edan went nuclear and coused the eruprion that coused the end of the old civilization

There more figurative, but all off the being you see in the memories were consuved by ( or eventually given bearth to in the case of the krill) by the destructive wave coused by the edan crystal

[rocky brook]

It's above the area itself, right above the barrier that'd stop you from getting up too high, lemme go get a picture of it!

[misty saddle]

is this megabird or (?? Idk i ask because is a BIG BIG bird

Or is just in a early phase of desing

[nimble ingot]

I cannot say for sure.

My take on the season concept art is it had a notable amount of bird references.
That lead me to believe and hope this could mean the elder bird could be coming back.
As the last time we saw that magnificent creature was from season of Rhythm.

But alas, in the live game, no such luck as the season does not feature it.

The devs have mentioned and explained there were changes during development. Naturally so as the concept art differs from the live game.
Personally I speculated that there may have been plans to use the bird as the quests had bird hints that could have foreshadowed that. But then the final quest (in my opinion) dropped the ball wiht using mantas, and the way you complete the final quest felt too similar to a mundane qeuest skykids got in Forest. where you free trapped light creatures from dark plants.
Not to mention the hints at krill in wasteland in the quests. Where you see blue and red lights along with krill growls coming from there. I was certain this could have meant the final quest was krill invading the flight paths, and thus the elder bird comes in to drive them away.

But eh.

If this was not a hint to the elder bird in Sky. Then I am blind and stupid /j

[rocky brook]

I think the patched it- :( I can't get to it

[misty saddle]

Oh, elder bird is from rhythm.i thought it was from flight becaue THAT picture, silly me lol

[misty saddle]

I hope mini megabird comes back soon, looks nice

[misty saddle]

Wait, i think that original designs of the elders in concept art were animals/ light creatures but im not sure

[rocky brook]

If I remember, you're correct, I do remember that the valley twins were going to be a man and his pet dog though, I kinda wish some of the concepts went into the main game

[nimble ingot]

The elders were animalistic in their early designs, yes. They became more human not long after.

[misty saddle]

Same

So, is elder bird the pet of any elder or what? Or is just the last specimen of a bird that we classify as megafauna

[rocky brook]

I'm happy with what we have though, concept art is always my favorite thing to look at, it makes me wonder what would have been different, if the concept and what we got were switches around, we'd probably feel the same of "I wish we had that instead of this"

[nimble ingot]

In sky, there are larger and presumably more powerful variants that eventually lead up to Elder.
ex.
Small manta, medium manta, greater manta (canon name), and elder manta (also canon name).

[nimble ingot]

Agreed ❤️ ❤️ ❤️

[misty saddle]

How does elder manta look?? Is elder manta the mantapede from vault??
And did tgc said that those are canon names?

[rocky brook]

If I remember, greater mantas are four winged? Two huge and two small?

[misty saddle]

Or are the cosmic mantas diferent from white mantas

[sharp lichen]

There are 8 OOBs in the area:

[misty saddle]

Yes, greater mantas have 4 wings

[rocky brook]

I'd try the dead trees oob, I'm not sure what it was called but I tried finding it and I think the remodel removed the ability to get to it

[sharp lichen]

“Name: Dead Trees
Area: Forest Brook
Needed: Battery(friend)
Description:
Head to 1st WL tree hut and fly up towards the clouds. Once you recharge in clouds head to trees with opening above and flap around a bit near the trunk and you should push thru and stand on trunk. Don't fly up to high or you hit server barriers also you can recharge with clouds or buddy due to acid rain”

[misty saddle]

WAIT, aparently elder mantas look whalle - ish

[sharp lichen]

Do they? I’m not sure

[misty saddle]

It doesnt look like a manta but a whale from irl

[hushed steeple]

Real

[misty saddle]

Can the king krill from abyss be considered a "elder krill"

[sharp lichen]

I guess so

[misty saddle]

[nimble ingot]

something to help support the elder manta idea

[hushed steeple]

What do you think the sport the valley elders play?

[glacial drum]

Cricket I tbink

[hushed steeple]

Ahh

[sharp lichen]

Or Hockey?

[misty saddle]

I thought at first that it was baseball

[nimble ingot]

Lacrosse?

[misty saddle]

Whats thar

[nimble ingot]

Take this with a grain of salt as I have not played this game, ever.
You have a stick with a net at the end. you catch a ball and toss it.
The goal is to get that ball to the opponents net.
something like hockey but in the air.

[misty saddle]

Weird tenis

[sharp lichen]

Lacrosse (don’t ask me how I know it)

[soft timber]

The best kind of tenis

[nimble ingot]

||probably not from the message just above lol||

[sharp lichen]

Yeah, this is lacrosse

[hushed steeple]

ist la corsse a drink thingy-

[sharp lichen]

HOW COME NONE OF YOU KNOW ABOUT LACROSSE??

[nimble ingot]

1- I heard about the game from Hollywood. Who likes to portray it as a 'rich people's sport.'
2- While Sky's Valley elders are likely not playing Lacrosse, or at least not the traditional game. They could be playing a sport that is similar or the Sky version of a game like it. Which could also gain the 'rich people play this' vibe.

[cold sparrow]

it's probably a made-up sport that's taking inspiration from many sources, be it lacrosse, badminton or baseball

[sterile breach]

Just watched the cutscene and yeah, it kinda looks like a mix between lacrosse and baseball

[hushed steeple]

That’s La Croix
Pronunciation: la croy
Basically

[hushed steeple]

nani!

[lusty merlin]

yaya! its probably like sky's version of a game that only exists in their world, but the inspirations are there. The twins constellation image also includes a ball so there's that

[versed mirage]

Has anyone else noticed how calm eden looks in the past cutscenes in Aurora?

[sharp lichen]

I guess so, I haven't really seen much of it.

You only see it in a bit of Runaway and some of Warrior

[hushed steeple]

Hi Lore besties!! My skid has just had a first name.. for like the longest time. I kinda wanna give it a last name. Their name is Befimi, go where you want to with it, please. Thanks! Love you all!

[empty belfry]

I dont think last names even exist in sky. But if they do may i suggest kawago?

[nimble ingot]

I like to think skykids choose their own names.

It can be of things they like, a moment, a season or even a name they can relate to its meaning, or even several names (like a title or a surname).

[hushed steeple]

I’ll think about it, but thanks!

[misty saddle]

From where came the child from the first aurora quest?

[nimble ingot]

Somewhere over the sea. (song, but fitting)

[misty saddle]

Its kind of weird because we only see 7 realms

[nimble ingot]

True.
We also know the world of sky is much bigger than us skykids know.

Seeing more of it is slowly revealed through the clouds.

[misty saddle]

Maybe from homespace when it wasnt flooded? Aviary?

Isnt mentioned that the realms are the only thing exisitng, because the kingdom in the clouds or something like that and not in the ocean

[nimble ingot]

Kingdom in the clouds, yes.

But a kindom can also exist in a whole world of realms

[misty saddle]

true.. so, there is the chance of more ascending to megabird points (like eden) (?)

[nimble ingot]

ye

[misty saddle]

[nimble ingot]

more spirits we need to save. more of the world we need to explore...

[misty saddle]

Didn't the war and tragedy only happened in the 7 realms we can see or

[nimble ingot]

quite possibly

[misty saddle]

so we dont have any needs of saving no one (? Maybe they have any other issue

[nimble ingot]

the opposite. We are not done if Eden is still a mess.
There may be more spirits needing help

[misty saddle]

Why? If only happened at the 7 realms, why anyone outside them would have problems whit it

[nimble ingot]

So far we have season with areas that are connected to the realm we know.

Except for Shattering, that we are unsure of.
It could be connected to Eden.
But I imagine there could be more to the world than what we know.

That and it is a headcanon I have entertained for a while.

This is a bit out of bounds for canon lore speculation.

[misty saddle]

Yeah but they still in the realms imo. Not outside. Shattering had an area???

[junior hemlock]

I have kind of an interesting question. I decided to run through dawn recently and did the opening sequence for fun… and I noticed they changed the wording of the opening narration in the cave since the last time I went through. I often wonder what reasons they do change the wording

[nimble ingot]

It could be because they are updating the lore
Though it could be to revise the wording

The old intro is still valid, thankfully.

[junior hemlock]

I’m gonna see if I can run through to see the wording changes and remember how it was before

“All are given breath by starlight. The first of us lived in joy that we should one day return to the stars.”
“Together, we built a kingdom in the clouds. We connected the seven realms with the power of starlight.”
“But then the sky went dark. And our kingdom shattered”
“Many of us are still trapped in these realms. Please, child… bring your light to our fallen spirits.”
That is the current one

I remembered that “seven realms” wasn’t mentioned in the original one that I knew.
I also knew it was “But then darkness came, and the stars fell”

[sharp lichen]

I think it’s definitely home.

We see the running wayfarer coming from boats “south” of Isle, and guess what’s south of Isle in the map? That’s right, the home island.

Given how small it is now, it may have been submerged and flooded. Also, if home is the “birthplace” for all Skykids, the place where we descend from the stars, it could be the same for spirits as well.

[sharp lichen]

It changed in November 2022, possibly to streamline it. The old cutscene was quite confusing

[misty saddle]

Interesting!!! But, why use the boats when there are portals in the home island??

[sharp lichen]

Perhaps it was built before the portals

We see the elder’s eyes on them so maybe they were activated with the power of the elders

There might have been a whole society that lived at the home island, before it flooded

[misty saddle]

[urban elk]

Do you have a list of every oob in the game

[soft timber]

appears I love how there is a whole mess that the Skykids have nothing to do with (presumably) and yet take it upon ourselves to fix

Like we could just not care and be on with our lives and yet we all collectively decided "This has absolutely no effect on our lives and whatnot, yet we will do this!"

[sharp lichen]

I can send a dm to it, it’s too long here

[hushed steeple]

--

to be fair thats what i did for my first 4 weeks ins ky...

[soft timber]

Nice

[sharp lichen]

This is what children do after all

[sharp lichen]

Why would children have jobs?

[hushed steeple]

Starting here: #lore-discussion-spoilers message she made an ENTIRE backstory to her skid/oc and it’s really interesting. I never thought to make one. But I am a photographer for Eden.. Eden meaning the world of sky

Since I like always have the camera on me

[sharp lichen]

I guess I would view photography as more of a hobby, but yeah

[soft timber]

There are some Sky players who basically are scouts, going from realm to realm to help other players

[sharp lichen]

I guess hobbies would be a better word for it, jobs imply it’s a duty they need to fulfill

[soft timber]

Yea! I also do like seeing random people helping moths too

[native galleon]

The children yearn for the mines /j

[soft timber]

Pffft that is perfect

[versed mirage]

Is the little prince cannon?

[earnest patrol]

this is old news to this channel but i was pondering over the prophecy cave murals because i guess i never deciphered their story that well, but i think i got it down now:

Alef was... sent? chosen? or decided on his own to complete the trials where many others had failed and died, and when he successfully completed all of them, he received the blessings of the prophets, which led to his ascension to the throne of Eden as accepted by all of the Elders and then basically became something like a deity.

actually i thought it was us in the murals when i was still a moth.

[earnest patrol]

or it's more like the murals Are the prophecy and the person who ended up fulfilling it was Alef.

[sly isle]

I think we can treat everything in the game as cannon. (Except the journey pack, because Jenova said that there's no connection between the games? Source: https://youtu.be/4zJdF0z2ppU?t=4864 )

[versed mirage]

So why is the little prince ignored by dark dragons?

[sly isle]

Hmm... Maybe the prince isn't a light creature like the manta in wasteland and us?

[versed mirage]

He is described as “not from this world” so yea

[west needle]

Hi so idk if this is complicated but can someone explain the basics of the lore? Because I am new I have only been playing a month but I would love to know at least the basics.

[sly isle]

Hi @west needle! I've been playing a bit longer but a few days ago I had a similar question and the kind people here sent me this document:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit?usp=drivesdk

[west needle]

Ty!!

[hushed steeple]

One:

HOW I JUST DISCOVERED THIS

Two

Ahhhh OC LORE YEEEEEEEEEEEEA EXPLODES

[sharp lichen]

Probably

[sharp lichen]

Yes, it seems like an addition, since the golden child only appears after you complete all the trials and light all the lanterns.

[soft timber]

appears This is a fun question! The book "Le Petite Prince", or the English translation "The Little Prince", follows the story of the Prince going from person to person asking questions and whatnot, with one section of the book has him facing a very large snake, thinking that it would take him home! The closest we have in Sky at the time of the Prince Season to a snake was a Dark Dragon, so a Dark Dragon was in place of a snake

[misty saddle]

What prophecy? I know there IS one but i dont relally know what it says

[distant turtle]

Yeah, he was negotiating a deal with the krill (or snake) 😢🥺

[distant turtle]

Sadly I don’t think the spirits explained this to sky-kids.

[misty saddle]

[earnest patrol]

i'm curious about the mural in the tunnel of the forest entrance. i'm not sure what it's trying to convey except for that many vases from Prairie were delivered to Forest—wait actually i think i just had an epiphany.

[distant turtle]

On the bright side, I think The Two Embers will reveal more for us to better deduce what the prophecy from season of prophecy may have foretold.
For now, after studying the concept art timeline and comparing to the murals from the prophecy cave, I can conclude that the prophecy had to do with bringing the people to a golden age.

[full mirage]

Any hints of this week's spirit?

[distant turtle]

I think you are right, and that it was very significant to them and so important that they made that shrine.

[earnest patrol]

vases in both Prairie and Forest (unopened) have been shown to host a ton of butterflies, which Prairie had an abundance of, and the mural shows those vases being shipped to the Forest temple, which is a known refinery. is it that the butterflies were going to be refined into darkstone?

[distant turtle]

That’s what I believe too. The temple door continues the story from that mural, don’t you think?

[earnest patrol]

i'm in the midsts of candle running forest but when i get to the temple doors i'll take a better look and get back to you. the announcement of Two Embers has me lurking more and more in this channel.

[distant turtle]

I feel inspired by this scene from the trailer.

[earnest patrol]

honestly? very Final Fantasy VII Midgar, and we all know what the message of that game was.....

[distant turtle]

Oh wow that’s such an apt comparison!

[sharp lichen]

Season of Prophecy has murals that show, well, a prophecy

[misty saddle]

[sharp lichen]

I think that circular “hall” building is at the very top of Eden, like at the PNR area

You can also see fires and smoke in the distance

[distant turtle]

I think so too. It’s the ground level Eden summit area!

[sharp lichen]

The image on the right is very interesting

[distant turtle]

I wonder if those windows are what these in vault represent (not my screenshot)

[nimble ingot]

hold the phone....
Wouldn't the arches be similar to this image?
Not to mention an possible explaination of the blue glow.

This may also imply that the top of Vault is a memory of the top of Eden, or a recreation of it with the realm being a dreamlike space.

[sharp lichen]

It looks like the Eden mountain itself is breaking

[distant turtle]

I have a feeling the concept of what Eden before was like has evolved between the game design and now for the Two Embers but I think you’re right.

[distant turtle]

But yeah I think so because of that Elder statue thing being spotted in the ending sequence. But, I think this blue glowing area in the trailer is well below that ending area, which I think is the floating area from the trailer.
I feel like when the game was designed, the concept of Eden used to be that it was one continuous structure all the way from the ground to the floating pieces, like a megacastle that would be impossible except with their powers of levitating buildings. (There’s concept art that showed it this way)

[distant turtle]

That’s from one of these #questions-and-help message

[analog thunder]

Question, where do I go for extensive detail of sky lore?

[distant turtle]

There are documents that are extensive but contain more speculation than direct game lore. The lore is highly interpretive right now.

[misty saddle]

Isnt vault just a ilusion?? Because when we finish , it turns into a single room whit broken crystals , and not the blue dream like space

[distant turtle]

Maybe it is an illusion echoing what once was

[misty saddle]

Why the sky kid can see it???

[earnest briar]

We're boofed out of our minds on Krill flakes from Wasteland probably

[misty saddle]

And if is a ilusion why the wl from there stays whit us?

[distant turtle]

Vault memory lanterns contain these ‘magi-tech’ projections and my interpretation is that they have spilled out and blended together since their archivists who maintain them are passed away, creating this dreamlike environment.

[distant turtle]

I think it’s blurring the line between illusion and real.

[misty saddle]

What do you mean ??

[distant turtle]

Like I think if there were no illusions it would just be a tall vertical room with an elevator, but with the broken and spilled memory lanterns there’s a new landscape that is not just an illusion but contains partially illusory partially tangible memories that is kind of a real place kind of not real

[nimble ingot]

in light awaits concept art, Eden looked a lot different compared to what they had going on in beta development, let alone in the updates to the realm in the live game ever since.

Only time can tell what the devs have cooking for the supposed "end game"

[empty belfry]

I was looking at scenes from TTE and i got a photo in valley yesterday and when when comparing the two..

[misty saddle]

Interesting

[empty belfry]

Its clear that the area is definetly eden. Perhaps before its eruption.

Handful of more photos for reference. I got these on acciddnt when getting eden eruption lol

[misty saddle]

They look kind of similar, but isnt the ray how you ascend to megabird

[empty belfry]

Ray?

[misty saddle]

The red line thing, sorry for my bad english

[native galleon]

you took this from valley?????

[empty belfry]

I sont think its necesarily(???) That. I think the beacon is more like the remenant of the eden eruption if anything

[misty saddle]

So, the beacon started existing after eden eruptio?

[empty belfry]

In my idea i think eden(given its name is usually meaning a sort of paradise) was once probably habitable.

[empty belfry]

Im not sure. I dont think we really have solid lore evidence for it. I dont think its ever even mentioned how the beacon came to exist

[misty saddle]

[empty belfry]

Im really hoping that TTE guves us some more eden lore, though. Eden is so intresting

[misty saddle]

Yes wish we had a view of.how.it looked in the past

[native galleon]

i think we will 👀

[misty saddle]

[empty belfry]

I think the view already is somewhat of a view. It looks simmilar to the colleseum

[native galleon]

It doesn’t really though, the only similarity really is that it’s round and open

[empty belfry]

I dont mean that bit, i mean the stuff surrounding it.

[misty saddle]

For me it also looks a bit like vault

[empty belfry]

It looks simmilar. Plus the castle above it. Its almost unmistakebly eden.

[native galleon]

The tall spiky buildings? I’m still wondering what those are for bc they look barely wide enough to stand in /hj

i guess that depends on the scale though, they’re probably bigger than they look

[empty belfry]

True true. They kind of look like towers, too. But maybe since the angle is weird and its a bit zoomed out theyre probabky a bit bigger

I dunno. Im a proud beleiver(????) In the fact that eden was once a habitable place before its eruption.

[native galleon]

i also wonder if some of those gold finials are actually chimes like the ones in prairie, to guide light creatures to the beam

although i would think light creatures would already be drawn towards it by instinct, and the chimes might be to direct them to other places

[empty belfry]

They may be. We seem them in dreams, too.

[misty saddle]

The chimes redirected creatures into jars

[native galleon]

or in circles like the wind paths, or towards the temples in prairie and isle

they’re also used in sanctuary although i dont remember if it was stated why

[distant turtle]

My interpretation is:
There was a before time when entities related to Sky existed in more of a higher plane in closer union with the stars. Then, something went wrong and the Sky world, a lower plane among the clouds was established (old game intro)
The people lived in harmony with nature, guided by their connection with the stars.
Some time but I don’t know when, the events of Season of Prophecy murals occur, and the land becomes a kingdom under a ruler as depicted in the final mural.
Invention of the glowing diamonds that power their machines launches them towards a modern age.
They began to mass produce the diamonds unsustainably.
Their society and worship of their monarch takes precedence over preserving their environment and their connection to the stars.
Their connection with the stars weakens. Darkness corruption stemming from draining the environment of light plagues society.
War over dwindling resources and unrest towards the monarch
An unhinged plot to fix everything by doubling down on diamond technology is hatched by the monarch, but leads to cataclysm and an apocalyptic end to the Sky kingdom and its inhabitants.
New Sky kids arrive from above decades later to restore the spirits’ severed connection with the stars.

I don’t have that much basis for this so I didn’t include it above but I guess that the Elders are people from the society out in the stars from the before time.
On the other hand, if we refer to the concept art timeline, they could be people who were somehow enhanced by the monarch (King, Resh) to become how they are

As far as how life works in Sky, every living thing seems to be a kind of elemental creature made of animated light and stone and what not rather than earth-like life.

[nimble ingot]

A bit random.
But doesn't the Two Embers Eden give you Babylon Garden vibes from Sonic Riders?

[distant turtle]

If you look up roofed concepts of Stonehenge it reminds me of that

[nimble ingot]

Also a bit like Laputa, from Castle in the Sky.
A flying fortress/kingdom with power so great and advanced for the civilisation that it could have destroyed the world when corrupted?
Also also, what if (fanon wise) the war was fought with stone golems.

That would have been very scary. Though I imagine ancestors could have considered these things to fight krill at some point.
(note, I have no proof of this in the game. Just thinking up fanon)

[nimble ingot]

welp. Definetly fits the vibe of the portals.
So we have more Irish folklore in Sky to work with.

[distant turtle]

Oh I looked it up and the image I was thinking of is actually a concept of Woodhenge, something nearby Stonehenge.
Anyway, I guess that the Vault cutscene mural of Eden and the new Eden mural in Eden both take place in that big round open roofed temple from the Two Embers trailer

[nimble ingot]

oh.

Funny enough, there was a mention of the Stonehenge being a foundation to a roofed structure.
But there were other theories such as it being an ancient roman structure as well.

[cold sparrow]

Laputa is probably a good reference to pull up for this
the old ghibli movies were for sure on the dev team's inspiration boards

[distant turtle]

Whoa nice art: #eden-spoilers message

[sharp lichen]

This may help: https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

[shrewd zenith]

Would anyone know in which realm this scene from the trailer comes from? I think it might be either Forest or Golden Wasteland (the Islands specifically) because of the circular enterance

[sly isle]

Because of the pots this reminds me of the prairie temple. (Or the forest caverns a little?)

Or! Here's a wild idea: Vault. Just remember how different the shipwreck area was in the trailer compared to now. So this pic could be anywhere. Even in the Vault
Too wild, I changed my mind xd

[nimble ingot]

Possibly Wasteland. As we see the child messing around there with the temple and shipwreck areas.

[subtle otter]

Is this the past or the future?

[white depot]

i would guess its the past, the series will tell us what lead to the corruption of the realms,, since the water at the shipwreck at the second picture is not dark water, and there are still decorations on the boat, as well as no crabs

[subtle otter]

Ok thank you me 🙏

[subtle otter]

But there’s a chance it’s the future yes? Maybe the sky kids will fix the shipwreck and conquer Eden (it’s just a theory) but like 95% it’s the past

[white depot]

we have no guarantee if it the past or the future, so there is a certain chance that its the future, nothing is confirmed yet (and it wont be for long either).

do you have more theories of how that could be the future? i havent thought about the possibility of it being the future

[subtle otter]

I think if this is the future this is a chance to make sky kids finish/complete Eden after 4 years of waiting

[subtle otter]

Well when they interviewed the ceo they said that next year sky would be a much better game and release a 2.0 version of it so I’m guessing they could prob make their biggest season yet related to the movie where all sky kids go against Eden like as big as the aurora concert but I doubt that due to tgc’s laziness

[subtle otter]

U can find the interview on ign the reporter interviewed the ceo at gamescom

[white depot]

i saw the interview, but i might review it again bc i didnt catch that info lol

[white depot]

thanks for telling me tho!

[empty belfry]

LORECHAT I WAS CORRECT

WHEN LOOKING AT EDEN FROM THE CONCERT YOU CAN SEE THE BUILDINGS.

Plus, you can see the circular base of the castle, which is also shown in TTE which means that the area im almost certain is eden

[white depot]

that is beautiful tbh

[empty belfry]

It isss. Im more excited about the fsct i was right though lol

[white depot]

i wish we could go explore that city before going to orbit

[empty belfry]

I do too. I think we see parts of it though on the way up.

More views of it

[hollow geyser]

Eden explosion in the colluseum
maybe it helps to see the buildings a little better

[slender sphinx]

oh wow that's awesome

[sharp lichen]

What Jenova Chen said that they're currently on version 0.20, so by next year they're going to get to 1.0 in the version list and beyong. It's similar to the transition from classic minecraft to modern minecraft

tbh, I don't think there will ever be an eden season

[subtle otter]

I meant 0.20 sorry but it might be better overall?

[sharp lichen]

Yes, but mostly graphically wise it seems, although the newer seasons are good

[acoustic cairn]

Hello, what are you talking about?

[acoustic cairn]

Is the explosion of Eden possible?

[empty belfry]

I think they meant eruption but yes. I has happened in lore before

[sharp lichen]

It already happened, look at how chaotic the final Eden area is

[fierce lagoon]

shattering moment

[sharp lichen]

Yes, which confirms my theory that the circular building was trying to “harness” the Eden beam but failed

[empty belfry]

I think it also may have been that eden was once inhabited

[sharp lichen]

Yes, we see it as a bustling city in the two embers

[white temple]

Is there a master list or something of all the lore we think we’ve got so far?

I’m wanting to make a video on it, but I want to see what the general fandom thinks first, since I have my own theories

[sharp lichen]

This is the closest thing to it; https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

[white temple]

Bless, thanks fam

[dapper pilot]

i think it might be directly after all the destruction, when the first stars fell that would make sense for a show, right? the first skykids who fell, who had to go through eden alone to light the fallen to be able to bring the rest of the sky kids to the planet

[native galleon]

that would make sense, except it doesn’t even look like the storm around eden has fully formed, and wasteland doesn’t quite look like a complete wasteland yet, so i’m not sure how it could be after the explosion if that’s the case

[dapper pilot]

i still dont think its in the time before the spirits died, but its true that the storm doesnt look like its completely there, but it could also be explained by saying the storm calmed down after all the spirits were well. spirits. and the only reason the first sky kids went up to explore eden is because the crystal started spewing out darkness again. wasnt the crystal theorized to be an energy source? maybe it eventually "turned off" cause yknow, theres nothin around to trigger it anymore, and something (maybe skykid light? we dont see light anywhere in gw leading up to vault, and theres nothing but memories/starry versions of critters in vault) triggered the crystal to start again? i cant wait to see the series

[native galleon]

hmm well the storm and the crystal are both very much “on” in game so it is a mystery

[dapper pilot]

i really wanna see where they go with it, the way im thinking of it it would end up being a cycle that never ends after it first starts

[native galleon]

oop just saw the stuff about the crystal being turned back on again nvm
i am very tired lol

still not sure how the storm (the eden one or the presumably earlier one from the concert) factors into this tho

[dapper pilot]

it would also be a really cool explanation for why krills basically go sicko mode on anything with light itd also be a really depressing realisation to have, having krill only go after anything with light cause the spirits realised (?) light triggers something bad but too late to save themselves

[nimble ingot]

I think past (before us skykids)
Because of the first teaser animation saying something like it.

[shrewd zenith]

I'm personally curious about the world beyond the Sky realm, where the travelling spirits go to. It seems to me that the ancestors went beyond the region, is there also darkness and pollution outside of the realms?

[pastel brook]

The cookies were yummy, so I ate it all

[sly isle]

I think this is a permanent mystery, because the realms always "expand". I mean we find new areas every season so we can't know how the whole world looks like. But if you mean what's really far. Well, interesting question.

[white depot]

it always makes eme wonder what the entirity of sky looks like, and if there are more realms than the ones we know. maybe even a different kingdom and different nations n stuff

[sharp lichen]

I think that the Sky world we see is what is there.

We know the Ancestors came from the stars, not another land

Also, the 7 realms tie into each other perfectly. They represent not only the stages of life, but the time of day. It would be very jarring for there to be just “oh yeah, there’s just another time of day here.”

As for a completely new game, I don’t think it’ll be set anywhere within Sky. It’ll probably be a separate universe of its own.

[shrewd zenith]

Yeah like, whats across the sea far away from Treasure Reef or Dawn for example. Whats beyond that ocean? Canonically the sky kids would never know because even without the wind walls, we'd likely run out of light and be unable to fly long before we crossed any oceans.

[sharp lichen]

It depends on if you view the Sky world as self-contained, where everything important happens within it; or open, where external factors can influence the world

[shrewd zenith]

I think it also depends on the size of the wider world, it could be that the realms we visit and travel through in Sky are isolated archipelago or gathering of islands, far away from other continents

[sly isle]

This is all true and I agree, but there could be something. Not an other realm, but something else. For example the Little Prince "came from an other world". Scientifically speaking there are other planets in the Sky universe which can be relevant. But on the planet where the game takes place, yeah. I mostly agree that there is only the 7 realms we know and see. (Maybe very far something else, something different from the so called "realms")

The answer we probably would love to hear is that over the big ocean there are the worlds of the other TGC games. Ah, I wish... ||Although there is the Journey cape in Sky...||

[native galleon]

Journey cape in Sky is probably just a cape, its resemblance to some other thing only exists out of universe

There are lots of fourth wall breaking things in Sky, doesn’t necessarily mean they have much bigger in-universe implications. To us it’s a Journey cape, but to a character in the Sky world it’s probably just a neat looking red cape

[lime sierra]

This is my guess about what The Two Embers is going to be about:
I think it will have something to do with the two children of light hugging at the last Shattering Memory. Maybe it will also explain why we need to hug the Kid in Eden before we ascend?

Just a guess lol

[pure python]

Now if there are two versions of beyond the light who sang the first version?

[cobalt palm]

This early launch version?

https://youtu.be/DbJP7QH9-sw?si=Ypp9fuB3xm3xulhB

I think it was still Aurora

[pure python]

Yes

[cobalt palm]

Only reason I say that is that Aurora was always the voice in Dawn as far as I know

[pure python]

https://youtu.be/vYmhyTy2Vb4?si=bbMNtXR2-3JbnFT7

Here’s another song but Launch edition I think that was in isle too

[sharp lichen]

I think it’ll take place long before the Skykids, when the spirits were still alive

[lucid egret]

They don’t sound like Aurora to me. The voice is too deep

[sharp lichen]

The voice could’ve gone through a filter

[cold sparrow]

doubt it
why would they put Aurora through a filter?

it sounds closer to the singer that sang in the Journey soundtrack

[sharp lichen]

Or it could just be Aurora using a lower voice.

[sharp lichen]

Journey was released in 2012, I don't know if they'd keep the same singer over 7 years

[cold sparrow]

Why would they ask a fantastic singer like Aurora to sing in a tone and voice that is not her own

it might not be the same singer, but there are many fantastic singers around
they probably got someone else to sing in the first draft of these songs

[brisk umbra]

so i only recently payed attention to the stuff in Aurora's concert...it's sad. the lore behind it....i cried

[distant turtle]

Are you familiar with how Zelda has 3 different timelines at least during the GameCube era? And how the original games were on a timeline called “hero defeated”?
It would be interesting to explore a sequel to sky set at the same time as this one but where there was no Shattering and the ancestors carried on existing even with all their problems. And then the players come on the scene, same general mission except there is a living generation of the ancestors still dwelling there.
It could have Majora’s Mask Clocktown type gameplay where you have to learn the NPCs’ routines to understand what they need.

[distant turtle]

Hey, I found a comment from Vincent Diamante https://twitter.com/vincentdiamante/status/1289748800794275841?s=20

[cobalt palm]

Cool!

[sharp lichen]

Tbh, I’m not sure what the Skykids would do if the ancestors were still around.

Although, playable ancestors would be cool

[mental snow]

Would Aurora be a similar being like the mega bird?

[hallow pilot]

I’m no sure if I’m making this up, but every new year the dev’s send a chart where there’s the number of player’s that have played that year, number of candles lightened from players( all sky kids), number of light ascended ( light given to the statues)…What if the devs originally thought that when all those year’s accented lights reach a certain number Eden would stop being corrupted?

Sky kids sacrifice their light to Eden in the purpose of resto- ring the light of Eden. So if that’s the mission of all sky kids, there should be a day that all needed light to restore Eden will be given and Eden will return to its original form.

[distant turtle]

I think you are right. Maybe Aurora’s winged form shows us she is Megabird’s avatar, or a demi-entity in that hierarchy.

[floral grove]

pointing candlemaker better be making an appearance

[slim mango]

why spirit with long plain dress type (example: blushing prospector) have small eyes and big neck??

[earnest briar]

because people can just be like that? There doesn’t need to be a reason for different body shapes and sizes.

[slim mango]

Yeah 🤔 at least, I'm liking it 👍

[dusk pendant]

The cookies were yummy, but i dont have cookies

[unkempt canyon]

If red shard crabs are radioactive, then sky kids are definitely not immune to illnesses. Those crabs knock the heck outta us.

[nimble ingot]

I'd say sadly no.

Skykids may have a resistance to the darkness in Sky. Since we don't have corrupted skykids in the game (yet, because I predict there being a possible update to encounter corrupted characters).

But a solid hit to their bodies would do damage and potentially kill a skykid. Albeit a non-canon death as the game seems to imply skykids are intended to die in Eden, as it gives you a second chance to pick up where you last left off with no other consequences other than with 1 winged light. The game otherwise does not acknowledge these deaths (that I am aware of).

[nimble ingot]

Aurora in the concert/season may be playing the role of the story teller.
story tellers are not necessarily part of the story, and yet they do make an appearance to explain things to the audience.

Think of it as like what happens in The Emperor's New Groove. There would be times where the character would break immersion to do gimmicks or explain things to the audience (take note of the latter in our case). Being meta in stories allows the story to address the audience directly and in turn have them engage with the story more.

In the first song with Aurora, she explains her role in an interesting way.
"I was a moving thing, before I was a human being..."
This establishes Aurora's presence in the game as a meta character as well as point of focus for the audience (in this case, skykids) as they follow along in the story being told.
Aurora would even ask them directly with, "do you understand what is happening?"

This is further enforced with the songs chosen for the season are intentional.
Jenova Chen stated this in a recent interview (I'll get the time stamp and quote to verify this for future proofing this evidence).
Even though the selected songs were written before the season were a thing, their meanings are similar to that of the lore in Sky, whereas they were integrated with the season.

[nimble ingot]

source: Jenova Chen talking about Aurora, her songs and the Season of Aurora concert

time stamp: 2:35
"We want to tell you a story"
"And so, we convert every single song into the level while you play as a complete different character to experience a narrative, [like a] rollercoaster ride."
https://za.ign.com/sky-children-of-the-light/181384/video/sky-children-of-the-light-breaking-a-world-record-gamescom-2023

[nimble ingot]

Jenova about Aurora concert Songs

Question was about singers/artists TGC could have gone for aside from Aurora. Jenova answered that he would have gone with Aurora.
"Because the message she has in her songs, it matches with the [spirit?] theme of Sky perfectly."

[pastel brook]

feed me peas and feed me peas

[nimble ingot]

I'll feed you peas if you promise to not nuke my messages in the future /j

[distant turtle]

I think the Exhale Inhale lyrics are to say that there is no person separate from their ecosystem. Like the creatures and the rain are all the same organism in a way. The megabird concept and the ancestors' cardinal sin in the concept art timeline. The lyrics would be equally applicable to the players and the ancestors as to Aurora. That's my take.

[nimble ingot]

In Sky's context. I believe the song was about the LIGHT.

[sharp lichen]

Red shard crabs do more than give us sickness

[sharp lichen]

It was here: #news message

It was not about the game, only the discord

[sharp lichen]

Perhaps to save on time, Sky reuses models on spirits.

The vast majority of base game spirits use only 5 models. One of them being the model you just described.

For example, most Vault spirits are that model.

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[slim mango]

I think this is also modified second one, but more buff. Exception was their eyes.

[sharp lichen]

Also, it seems that the Reassuring Ranger has a different outfit

[slim mango]

I'll draw the spirit default outfit for reference soon.

[distant turtle]

I could use a refresher on the basic lore of what sky kids are doing with the first play through when the spirits you light wait at the Elder temples and the Elder takes light from the player.

[distant turtle]

I'll read your document

[supple sluice]

Heya.
Thought just came to my mind...
What regions are cold and what regions are hot

[distant turtle]

Thank you for this link

[sharp lichen]

Which one

[sharp lichen]

Here’s what I think:

Home is probably pretty nice, 60F or 15C

Isle shares the same warm waters with Home, but it retains that heat far worse, so I’d imagine probably 45F or 7C.

Prairie is the warmest, since light usually equates to warmth. There’s very littlep water nearby, unlike Wasteland which is next to a literal sea. It’s probably around 80F or 25C. The exception of Sanctuary Islands is notable, with it being probably around 105F or 40C.

Forest seems very cold, but not so much to be freezing. It’s probably around 45F or 7C

Valley would be below freezing everywhere, obviously

Wasteland is interesting. Although it has a greenhouse effect, there’s also a massive sea that cools it. I’ll say Wasteland’s weather is probably the most variable, with a drier area like the Forgotten Ark being around 70F or 20C, and a wetter area like the Treasure Reef being around 50F or 10C.

[shrewd zenith]

Lets take a look of the crimes against nature that the ancestors have take part in:
Possible excessive resource extraction
Excessive Pollution
Possible Habitat Destruction
Creation of Weapons of Mass Destruction (missiles? Krill?)
Animal Experimentation (Krill?)
Wildlife Poaching

Anyone wanna add to this?

[nimble ingot]

Baud saying "Which one"

You know you are a scholar in lore when you can say that XD

[shrewd zenith]

Btw guys, doesn't the Ascetic Monk's journey thing confirm that all of the rain in Sky is polluted? Which means that no matter how far within the realms you travel or are from Golden Wasteland, the rain is still a danger. Prairie is further away but apperently it can still rain there, its just that Hidden Forest gets the brunt of it. Valley is too high to really be impacted or get any rain, tho I wonder how polluted snow would impact it, if thats even possible.

[sharp lichen]

You should be willing to try humans on the exact same crimes then

[shrewd zenith]

Oh I long for it

[nimble ingot]

https://greatmindsthinkhike.com/meaning-of-stacked-rocks-on-trails/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cairn

Fun fact on the stones the monk used to stack into a pile, they are called Cairns.
These are typically used in various cultures and beliefs that can mean a couple of things, depending on the context and function.

They could be a marker of some kind, either for a pilgrimage up a trail, or in memory of someone who has fallen (passed away).
They could also be a seen as a sign of praise or reverence to the area or deity.
They could also be an expression of one's skill in balancing these rocks on one another, as an artform or perhaps to prove their worth with fulfilling this test.

In Sky, I can imagine these serve a few purposes mentioned here, as well as in the links I referenced at the top.
These could be the ancestors' way of marking a grave, or even in memory of a loved one.
They could also be a sign of them overcoming a challenge and the stones commemorate that.

Aside from the monk in the recent season. We have seen these curious piles of rock in other places. Namely near the gate with the shivering spirit beside the boats. As well as notably with the memory of the crying Light Miner. Where they stacked rocks in piles to mourn their partners deaths.

I wonder if one could go as far as with the pillars in Prophecy?
Albeit those stone pillars were made in a different style, they might serve a similar purpose. Perhaps so since these are purposefully made with cut/carved stone pieces, and not loose rocks you'd find in the area.

[distant turtle]

Which is the coldest: Wind Paths, Hermit Valley, Ice Rink, or Water Trial? My Aurora concert poll question

[nimble ingot]

ah oof.
coldest you say?

I'd say the void in Eden.

Otherwise, arguably the hermit valley. Because it is freezing cold that high up the mountain with the winds, the icy clouds, and the region (yes, you can get those. Betcha that would be interesting if TGC would implement a hazard for skykids capes to ice over and eventually cause you to drop like a rock).

[sharp lichen]

-Wind Paths is at least sunny, and there’s running water. It might be 40-45 degrees Fahrenheit, in my opinion,

Hermit Valley is not only ice cold, but it’s also on a windy mountain. It’s definitely not the highest mountain in Sky, not even close, but it’s still around -10 degrees farenheight, going to around -30 for wind chill.

Ice Rink might be very cold. The pond froze top to bottom, and given a debatable mural in the Cave of Prophecies, it could’ve been much warmer before. Combine that with the Warrior segment showing water in valley, and I think that Valley used to be much warmer. Even still, it must be around -10 to -15 degrees Fahrenheit for it to freeze over.

Water Trial is a bit strange because there a large amount of running water, yet there’s also ice. It could be just around the freezing point, 32F. It’s also possible that the constantly moving water is prevented from freezing, but it’s also possible the water trial water is supercooled (or just magical.) But keep in mind Skykids can’t have capes in the trials.

— Ice Rink would probably be the “pure” coldest of the four without factoring wind chill.

— If you do factor in wind chill, Hermit Valley easily takes the spot.

• Skykids would probably feel the worst in the water trial.

-Wind Paths is easily the warmest of the four.

The problem is, what Skykids feel cold would probably be different than to what humanoids feel cold.

Temperature is a strange sensation, just look at things like paradoxical heat and paradoxical cold.

Touching fire would mean instant injury or death to humans, but it’s a comfortable thing for Skykids.

To Skykids, light is their source of power and energy. Fire gives them light, so it’s natural to assume that light and warmth are deeply connected. To a Skykid, sitting on a campfire does the same thing as sharing light with a butterfly.

Thus, we can assume the same for darkness. Freezing water and rain hurt them as much as dark water and krills.

You could use this in lore, as well. Perhaps a Skykid getting krilled would something like an icy spike going through them?

[earnest patrol]

a quick question; the ancestors aren't made of light, are they? they don't have the mark of the candle like the sky children do. does that mean sky children are a successive race to the ancestors rather than direct descendants?

[earnest patrol]

if something like this is true to a degree, then how did sky children come about? in this case, it's like they'd be a fusion of ancestors and the light/light creatures/beings of light.

[sharp lichen]

They’re still associated with it, by they’re more mortal (as in, they have to eat and they can die naturally)

[earnest patrol]

i'm wondering if they weren't originally and bestowed the abilities of light upon themselves using darkstone tech and then they got carried away.

[sharp lichen]

However, their spirit forms do give light to us, which means they’re still made at least partially from it.

Look at the intro cutscene “all are born from starlight”

[sharp lichen]

I’m thinking the other way: darkstone made them stray further from the light

[hushed steeple]

OH MY HUYS

i just realised someting!

PRAIRIE PEAKS is the only reakm

WITH NO DARKNESS

at all!!!

So i think that baushdaw's theory was right, it might be so far away that it wasnt reached by eden explosion, tho it do be sligtly warped due to eden black-hole ness

[shrewd kernel]

Guys are sky children born knowing how to fly

[lusty pewter]

And they flap around while they run like a bunch of baby chicks, honking obsessively

[nimble ingot]

The game did say the place was untouched. Which may imply ancestors did not exploit/pollute the space.

An obvious indicator is the darkstone crystal still there.

I am not sure if these spirits were one of the last ones before the darkness took them and the stars fell.
However, the camera does hint at them being on of the most modern ancestors.

I wonder if the young one's interest in the night bird suggested birds were a rarity at the time. Or at least larger species of birds.

[nimble ingot]

Possibly.

Flying by itself that the skykids do seems straightforward to them.
And with practice, their skills improve. Becoming competent flyers.

Gameplay reasons aside, a skykid who how to make efficient use of their light are likely more experienced flyers.

[unique sonnet]

Okay. Is there a website for sky confirmed and predicted lore. Or a document. Official or unofficial is fine

[hushed steeple]

Mhm

And i have a theory abt something from beta, but i shall wait

[nimble ingot]

ooh yes :)

It is not gonna be easy. All I can say is folks who know about light Awaits lore would be happy.

[compact shale]

Could it be possible for skykids to see through their core hole?

Like, if they wear the blindfold for example?

[nimble ingot]

Their 'core'...
You mean their chest light?

hmmmm....

[distant turtle]

This is totally unofficial but I like it (machine translated from Chinese) https://docs.google.com/document/d/107rKIxyCXZxFBaJHxO6hiyW_IRuRbS9iwWJjFLefa_I/mobilebasic

[unique sonnet]

Thank you. I’ll read it when it’s not 11pm XD

[sharp lichen]

It’s difficult to determine, really.

When we get the cape, we’re allowed to fly. From then on, it’s entirely determined by the player. You can complete the entire game without ever getting a cape (even including Eden), or you could become a master of flight.

In that sense, it’s entirely determined by the player. The skill of the Skykid is equal to the skill of the player, when it comes to flying.

[sharp lichen]

Yes, https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

[compact shale]

yes, their chest light

[vocal lion]

I wonder if somewhere in Sky, there is a person who is not a spirit- but is still alive

[distant turtle]

I tried once to get out of Isle without a cape but I couldn’t reach the ledge even after climbing up the side of the ramp formation to jump

[slender sphinx]

this gets me thinking abt the crabs getting cooked over the wasteland bonfire

who did this

[tropic isle]

Your main character

[tropic isle]

The spirit, when it was alive

[sudden veldt]

Wouldn't that mean those crabs have been cooking for hundreds of years? No wonder they're so grateful!

[slender sphinx]

yeah that's a long time for them to just be there

[sudden veldt]

Actually, new to the server, can I mention the beta here if it's in spoiler marks like that?

I know it has a separate set of channels and all

[nimble ingot]

Ancestor spirits are aware since they can interact with skykids most of the past seasons.
Please be careful not to share beta spoilers in the lorechat.
Anything in beta that has not been released to the live game yet is off limits.

There are some exceptions though.
As we can talk about features that have not made to live after the beta has tested it out.
Example, Abyss' better season ship, the reefback seaturtle in Abyss, etc.

[sudden veldt]

Sure thing, my bad!

[nimble ingot]

you are ok

⭐ now you know 🙂

Also, Welcome to lorechat

[sudden veldt]

Thank you! This is actually the whole reason I joined! I want more opinions and interpretations of the lore.

[nimble ingot]

You are welcome.
Feel free to ask, share theories and chat.

Lorechat is its own quirky corner of the Skycord server.

[sharp lichen]

Can you not go around it?

[viscid iris]

Does anyone know about or have details of the changing position of the winged light. Like most are looking up; when you get to Eden some are sitting/resting and the one during season of shattering they are hugging. No one really talks about it. Or at least I haven’t found anyone that wondered about it.

[nimble ingot]

Winged light are a mysterious entity in the game.

We dont know what the are exactly. But we do know they are important.

As far as I know, there have been theories imply they are parts of the King, or Sky Prince (not to be confused for the Little Prince). Or that they could be echoes of fallen skykids.
Either case, where they sand and where they look has some significants. Albeit we sadly dont have a full explanation on their meaning in the game.

[worthy swallow]

Idk if this question has been asked before but does anyone know why krill’s feel also kind of out of place? I mean if you start playing sky the first 4 world or whatever are pretty chill so why is golden waste land so scary and krill’s so hostile? (I’m so sorry if this is a weird question)

[soft timber]

Me trying to get some stuff
Sky: snatches me from where I am and plops me on Aurora's back
Also me:

[native galleon]

we don’t know for sure why krills exist or why they’re only in gw (and eden). my personal theory is that those are the areas with the highest pollution levels, high enough to corrupt creatures that big

[sharp lichen]

It’s not out of place in my opinion. Krills represent the biggest threat of darkness, but smaller threats still exist. From the darkness plants in Prairie to the polluted rain and crabs in Forest, a large dark dragon is a natural scaling in difficulty

[native galleon]

we do know krills didn’t come from the eden explosion though, some spirit memories and the new trailer show them existing before the world totally ended

i also agree with baud that they’re not necessarily out of place, yes it’s a huge contrast from the other realms (especially right after the almost-too-perfect Valley) but imo that emotional whiplash makes it interesting!! it begs the question, what happened here, and why is there such a disparity in the outcomes

[viscid iris]

I like some of those theories. I wish there was more details though; but hopefully in the Sky series coming next year they will talk about the winged lights more and their meaning other than just flight.

[viral bay]

It's the only area with the industrial activities of diamond production. If you look at each realm's function and role in Sky kingdom, you'd see Isle is reponsible for guiding light creatures to Eden, Prairie captures butterflies in pots, Forest is the mining site of darkstone, Valley is for entertainment and peak of civilization, Wasteland is for actualy diamond production, actually taking light from creatures and putting them in the darkstone diamonds, Vault is to store memories (not sure reason why).

[native galleon]

…and there i go again, not even specifically talking about krills, just going off on this particular tangent for the 1037487th time

[worthy swallow]

Omg I din’d expect so many answers so fast ty everyone😭

[viral bay]

Note:
Of course, the realms don't each have a clear cut role. Forest has the same darkstone compressor in temple like in Wasteland broken temple; Prairie has bells chiming speculated to also guide creatures to Eden.

[native galleon]

yea its more of a general thing, like the main industry of each realm but that’s not to say other things didn’t happen in those realms

[worthy swallow]

Thank you everyone for sharing these theory’s with me I was just so curious

[native galleon]

ofc!! keep in mind that most of the time the answers to lore questions will be “we don’t know lol” but we got plenty of ideas here!

[worthy swallow]

This is the first time I actually said something in this server lol everyone here is so kind😭

[viral bay]

Eden's threatening nature is another story. The Eden ginormous diamond has a long history but Eden became mainly so devastated and doomy because the Diamond exploded, unable to contain the huge amount of energy yeeted to it every second by the Light Eden beam. This important event most likely caused the doom of Sky, though it prolly was a slow death, not a snap "everybody's dead".

Now the story of why the diamond was placed there is another thing, involving the King👀

[worthy swallow]

Abt the eye of Eden this is just a short question but is it just the name of the place or is Eden a person?

[native galleon]

Eden is not a person. The eye part refers to the eye of the storm, I think

[worthy swallow]

Oh Alr xd

[viral bay]

Eye of Eden was prolly intended to be the residence of the King, the capital, with the peak of civilization technology. In the bible Eden was this marvellous garden with the best things in it, so Eye of Eden probably conveyed the same idea here, the idea of utopia.

[worthy swallow]

Ooh

[native galleon]

Lol did you get the orbit bug? (is that still even a thing?)

[lucid egret]

I know that was a bug for a long time in beta but I thought they fixed that when Aurora was released

[soft timber]

I was at the aurora concert and didn't expected to be launched all the way to Orbit

[lucid egret]

Ah, that’s not a bug, it’s part of the concert! As long as Aurora was with you in orbit, it’s intentional

[native galleon]

they definitely did not fix it when it was released, i accidentally ended up there my first time in eden…a day after aurora ended

[woeful goblet]

Can i ask a question
I didn't buy the witch hair and tho other bat and web cape
Why does it show that I already bought it?

[native galleon]

#questions-and-help

[lucid egret]

If this is a beta question then you’re better off in the beta channels, this is for discussion on the live version of the game

[obtuse tapir]

I got it before HELP

[sharp lichen]

My theory is that “Eden” was the original name of the whole Sky land, with the eye part referring to only the center

[shrewd zenith]

Hold up a second, didn't lore chat have a theory that the reason why Krill are a thing is because of the experimentation/extraction of light from light creatures was going on in Treasure Islands? I personally think the Krill were created there, perhaps on accident, and then were brought specifically of GW and Eden for the war to be used as weapons.

I also think that, possibly, the Krill in the last section of Wasteland before you enter the Wasteland temple are actually suppossed to be there. Thats why when you open the gate using your light, it might trigger/send a signal to wherever the Krill are residing to come out and patrol/wreak havoc.

[nimble ingot]

There are a few theories.

We know they did get corrupted, canonised by Jenova Chen.

There was speculation about krill being an experiment. There was also a theory from light awaits concept art that mentioned dark dragons were corrupted by teh darkness blast in Eden. There was also speculation on them corrupted by the dark water.

[distant turtle]

The cliff to get to the updraft I couldn’t get onto the draft

[sharp lichen]

Can you not go above the first Isle cave?

[lusty mauve]

Don't know if this is silly to ask, but which elder is this in the shard event? They don't look like any that I recognise

[sharp lichen]

I believe that’s the Forest Elder, just a slightly different model

Also, at the very top, there’s the Eden Elder

Though I’m not too sure, can you get a better screenshot?

[lusty mauve]

I have heard that this is the Eden elder, but was just wondering as that model I saw looked odd😅

[nimble ingot]

Forest elder in the elder shatter memory is more detailed (or polished) compared to the other elders.

This is becuase the models were from an old oob from light awaits known as Blue Eden.
Forest elder's model was not present back then though, as the elder supposedly did not have their model ready at the time.

[nimble ingot]

The King in Sky has been an obscure figure in the game.

[sharp lichen]

This is the Forest hair as well

[sharp lichen]

If you flip it around, it looks like the symbol but stretched

[distant turtle]

After the plain in Isle when you get the winged light and leap into the wind to land at the temple, I avoided that winged light and jumped off the rock ramp but I couldn’t fly, so I didn’t make it onto that cliff (same cliff that has Prophecy cave entrance) to hop up the clouds either. I bet someone with skills could find a way to make the leap.

[frank cedar]

Didn’t they say once that glass doesn’t exist in sky’s world? Squinting my eyes at the drinks in the sunlight photos

[cold sparrow]

dw it's plastic

[nimble ingot]

Maybe the ancestors knew how to work with crystal? /j

[viral bay]

Hey maybe this is the first proof of glass we see in sky! Considering how advanced and capable Ancestors were with darkstone, I wouldn't be surprised if they found ways to use other minerals as well. Sand is abundant, so why not?

[distant turtle]

I remember that too but if they’re gonna retcon that I hope they add some stained glass windows somewhere one day

[nimble ingot]

If the ancestors could forge with gold. It is very likely for them to discover glass with sand.

[cold sparrow]

obviously, glass is a new skykid invention

[nimble ingot]

The rhythm crew probably have porcelain masks.
Another point of evidence since it an advanced craft compared to clay jars.

[sharp lichen]

It doesn’t seem too difficult, as this video does it in 0:48

https://youtu.be/avRBurrgHh4?si=bBN1S4J5Eg4uNkkV

[obtuse tapir]

THAT'S THE EDEN ELDER??? I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST SOME STAR MODEL

[viral bay]

I always thought that the masks are most commonly made with papier mâché (the Performance masks come to mind), for their quality of breathability and light weight.

For fancier roles carved wood masks would be ideal (Passage masks).

But porcelain masks seem like they would be very fragile, thick and hurt the face.

[obtuse tapir]

Papier mache is what i think it is, right? So where does one get the paper itself?

[dense flicker]

sorry for the ping. this caught my interest, haha.

old sky/eden might have been a place filled with light, so maybe the eden diamond was a light-powered weapon? kinda like notalium in lanota

the diamond is still exploding, so maybe the diamond started draining the all the light and life in the old sky/eden after the explosion. in the absence of light, the place was unliveable so those who could leave are in the realms we know now, rebuilding what was once the utopia.

[obtuse tapir]

Oh, right. Help.

[sharp lichen]

I think it was more of an ultimate power source, given the focus on industrialization and pollution

[crisp socket]

saw the sky beta on the aviary, am I allowed to post about it here?

[cold sparrow]

no, mentioning beta content is not allowed outside of the beta channels

[nimble ingot]

Agreeing with Rooty.

Anything in beta that has not made it to live yet is off limits.

Few exceptions are content thay was scrapped. ex. past features such as the reefback turtle from Abyss, or the old Avirary from Light Awaits (best clarify that to avoid confusing it for the new version coming soon.)

If you can source it from an official post outside of beta, it should be fine.

[rapid latch]

Random lore theory related to aurora, prophecy, enchantment (they’re probably connected): The fact that each aurora spirit has an element, the enchantment spirits being able to control elemental lights, the prophecy trials having elements, is connected. The elders possess certain elements, according to prophecy murals.
Tsadi and Lamed: Fire (Tsadi) Energy (Lamed)
Teth:Water
Ayin: Earth
Samekh: Air
I believe thanks to this, some individuals can do some elemental magic depending on if the elders grant them the ability (like archons) or their realm to harness the elements.
Here’s what elements an individual might have, judging by the aurora spirits, colored light locations and symbols and prophecy murals.
Isle: Water
Prairie: Earth
Forest: Water, Earth, Fire
Valley: Air, Water
Wasteland: Fire, Smoke
Vault: Energy
(this is just a random theory, don’t take it seriously)

[native galleon]

forest is the avatar /j

[rapid latch]

kinda ig (without air

but imo each individual can only have 2 elements

[quiet solar]

wait was Aurora part of sky lore since the beginning because i always had the hunch that she sung for end credits and i found out today that i was right

and the fact that she only sings for the beginning / end soundtracks of sky makes me think that she may be a form of the megabird, not just a representation like how ancients may have believed the king was a representation of the megabird

[viral bay]

Many have thought that Aurora could be the megabird itself ever since Aurora season came

I personally tho find the theory that Aurora is the storyteller sent by Megabird more believable. Through her concerts she told us the point of view of the Megabird, witnessing the war events and all that led until today.

And yes, with her singing in cutscene Isle and credits would mean that she has always been an existing character in the Sky Cinematic Universe.

[quiet solar]

oo so like she was created like how skykids were created? thats really cool too because it would connect aurora with the skykids (though its also said that most if not all entities in the sky realm were created by the megabird so the added stuff doesnt hold much water)

also was the mural in the harmony hall always there or was it added after season of aurora

[rapid latch]

Was already there

[viral bay]

Hmmm no. With her huge form in the concert and her ability to submerge skykids and tp them into random places i would say that she is not a skykid.

Skykids are made by Megabird to restore the light cycle. Aurora may have been made/sent down here to tell the story of Megabird.

If she has to be close to anything, i would say her kind is more similar to elders, both with the approximate role to connect beings to the Light/Megabird.

But i would think of her as more god-like than Elders. Think of elders as priests in churches, and Aurora as a less powerful god acting under the command of Megabird.

[quiet solar]

i see

[quiet solar]

so they really did forshadow aurora's performance that is very cool

[sharp lichen]

I like this theory, but I don’t think it’s like the archons from Genshin. Rather, anyone who’s skilled enough can use the elements. We see many people in Sky lore use it, so maybe the Elders were just as skilled as the normal ancestors in terms of magic.

[sharp lichen]

For a while, I thought it was the Performance Guide

[pallid dust]

ok guys, i always thought my theories about the aurora being a megabird were pretty weird. But apparently I'm not the only one who thinks so.

[quiet solar]

i never even saw the mural until today 😭

[quiet solar]

i feel like the theroy makes a lot of sense because she only sings during the beginning of the story and the end credits which are basically the birth and rebirth of yourself, implying that aurora was present during your birth and rebirth and was Megabird who did so

[nova kestrel]

Krill skeleton?

[nimble ingot]

whale skeleton

[nova kestrel]

I-

[nova kestrel]

Whale skeletons look threatening :-:

[nimble ingot]

and sad as the remains imply the poor thing died of unnatural causes

[grim python]

Dismayed hunter or whatever the spirit’s name was accidentally shot it and somehow just one arrow was enough to kill an entire whale

[nimble ingot]

We may not know exactly how the whale in boneyard died, sadly.

One may speculate on them being hunted, there could have been an accident (boat collision), or even poisoned by the dark water in the rain.

What we do know is the whale crashed into a building. From what I can tell looks like a storage for more jars.

Dismayed hunter shot down a manta, and seemed upset upon realising something (cannot recall the reason why off the top of my head).
I like to think of their actions reflected with the trapped mantas. Who are not that far from where the dismayed hunter seemed to be lurking.

[nova kestrel]

And because of it's size, it must've been a baby-

[subtle forum]

a quick question for you guys
Spirits are supposed to be dead right? So how is it that sometimes we interact with them (like for quests or with quest guides and travelling spirits etc) are they like ghosts, allowing us to interact with them? Or are skykids just hallucinating this stuff when it’s all a memory in itself?
I’m not very good with sky’s lore so I’d appreciate any inputs

[sharp lichen]

They are similar to ghosts, meaning they can move around and talk, but can’t affect the world

[subtle forum]

that makes sense, thank you

[nimble ingot]

Ghosts in Sky may not be able to interact with the would directly, although they can be interacted with in certain situations such as talking to and interacting with skykids. In later season, we have seen spirits holding skykids' hands. and in most seasons, you can high five them.

In some fictional situations for fantasy ghosts, they might be able to move certain objects (like a poltergeist), but they are generally incorporeal (can move through walls and objects).

[rustic glen]

Spirits sometimes do feel more alive than expected, sometimes I forget they are ghosts lol

[shut kestrel]

fr, when I remember they're dead I just get sad

[opaque adder]

What is mega bird...?

[sharp lichen]

Megabird seems to be an originator/progenitor of The Light, an all-encompassing force which consists of all light in the world.

The most prominent place we see it as a massive supercluster of light in the game at the end credits. It’s also seen in Orbit and the Forgotten Ark murals.

[humble escarp]

Random thought, what if we're the eden king, and we lost our memories that's why we relive the season and all the spirits we met

[sacred sage]

Are we all like
One person or are we all family?
Or past citizens of eden?

[granite root]

there’s an eden king….

[humble escarp]

Hmmm we're just one person and the friends we add in the constellation are just delusion or something like that just a random thought

[sacred sage]

Omg all my friends are hallucinations
Sky is so realistic

[novel marten]

My theory about this has to do with the dark room in Eye of Eden. When you lose all your light and hug the glowing spirit; I kinda think the glowing spirit is a piece of the king’s spirit too. The king can’t be saved anymore, but Sky children are still part of this redemption story, somehow.

Some people also think that the pointing candlemaker’s memory (which may show the first Sky child falling from the stars) also has the king/prince in it: he WAS the first Sky child.

The confusing bit is the Eden king/prince are sort of interchangeable since we barely know anything about them

[hoary fossil]

wait so can the lobbies of each realm be counted as their graveyard?

[novel marten]

Brb thinking about the unnamed spirits who died in Battlefield or like the ones who couldn’t be buried (like tearful light miner’s group)

[sacred sage]

I think so yes
They do have tombstones

[torn eagle]

I like to think the reason why the king cannot be saved is because they dont have their original body anymore (unlike the ones we save in eden and us included)

So we meet their light in the diamond (presumably absorbed during the shattering) and all they could do is bring us out with the rest of the skids we save

Of course this would only be plausible if the eden king is a skid

Their memories are then scattered across the realm in the form of winged light (in game texts sometimes describe winged light as lost memories)

[bitter plank]

A thing. IDK if this is common knowledge but wanted to share. The spaghetti of Megabird are the trails of souls returning to her, like we see in Orbit. A bright light, the source of all creation (the dot) and trails of skids, winged lights, mantas, all returning there to be reborn (the noodles)

[sharp lichen]

sky has 7 realms, each realm has an elder, who would've thought

[sharp lichen]

Tbh, I think they would react more excitedly if we were truly the eden king

[granite root]

surely an elder and a king is not the same thing plus i just thought everyone was suppose to die in eden

[rugged jackal]

New theory: The King is the king and the Prince is the Eden elder?

[sharp lichen]

Also the King is only a fanon name (it was from concept art that is shown in canon). There's no actual name given. It's likely they were different from all the others, but I prefer saying Eden Elder over King for consistency

[granite root]

i seeeee, ok ok

[shrewd kernel]

aw man is this channel dead

i need to know wjhat happened between warrior of love and the seed bc it shows the mantas getting captured, escaping, and then war
so did they escape to somewhere with people who will protect them and then the valley people just like chased them down? 😭

[scenic pelican]

I heard somewhere his name was "Alef"

[latent tendon]

o wait that would make sense for a civil war. cause like we have areas like the sanctuary islands and wind paths that favour light creatures and help them. and then we have the treasure reef where we see a manta factory.

petition for tgc to let us explore the factory left of wasteland entrance

[novel marten]

But an abandoned factory is actually a really cool idea. Maybe have part of it flooded so we can dive more. The other areas rely more on ground platforming like earth trial. Spirits are scarce but they left hints. Yet, natural life has reclaimed some of the facility…

[latent tendon]

I wish it's like ACTUALLY dangerous. like 50 krills or something similar to that one quest in treasure reef and like the danger would make sense if the end area of the factory has a ton on rewards like wax or wl giving some motivation to the factory's operations

[sharp lichen]

I think they were captured to be used as mounts. Warrior of Love might have been training to become a “cavalry” of sorts.

[sharp lichen]

There are many fan names, including Alef, Resh, Storm, and One

[quiet solar]

it was also speculated that they were captured to draw their light out to power the darkstone tech

[latent tendon]

is light itself more important or fuel ( wax )

[quiet solar]

id say for the ancestors it was light
there were lightseekers that collected light to power darkstone tech
they captured butterflies for their light (presumably)
all the darkstone tech requires you to light them for them to work

[latent tendon]

where does darkstone even come from

[sharp lichen]

They’re mined from crystals that are occasionally found, like in the Prairie Peaks

[quiet solar]

i feel like they were definitely in more places than just forest, abyss and peaks, just that they were never able to locate them

[distant turtle]

Totally cool when you think about it

[distant turtle]

I have a suspicion that if Sky were released as a single player game then this would have been a storyline they considered

The word Kingdom is in the game here and there

[sharp lichen]

No, I think they extracted them all and now there’s none remaining

[sharp lichen]

What Paul Underhill said is true, it’s difficult applying this to a massive multiplayer game

[latent tendon]

yea I don't think we are the eden king cause skykids were present during the time spirits were alive as shown from the isle spirit. it would make much more sense if we were an avatar or extension of Megan

[quiet solar]

in the places where they found them yes, but i doubt they are only found in those 2 specific places, after all there is bound to be areas left untouched like peaks

[sharp lichen]

Yes, but all of the “major” areas, such as the Treasure Reef, have been mostly extracted

[fierce lagoon]

Sleepy time for lorechat

[sharp lichen]

Then wake it up

[fierce lagoon]

wake up lorechat

[latent tendon]

Good morning

[fierce lagoon]

[lofty glen]

Been thinking lots about Vault lately. Had somebody point out to me on the fb group that the Vault has likely never been totally populated and was mostly used for housing memories (bc of the pictures of the spirits with jars). But is Vault now the same Vault as pre-war or was it different before do we think?
I'm obsessed with the Repository so was asking in the fb group abt the spirit memories there but then it was mentioned they probably happened in a different realm entirely. I just loved the idea of the repository being a small market village or something I think 😭
Ikay maybe the clue is in the name but like, I have more in my bedroom than a bed yknow?
Just rambles here mostly but someone directed me here so here i am 😄

[raw moon]

(I'm probably wrong but this is just a head cannon) I think the spirit memories are from some of the lanterns/jars, because they probably took place elsewhere, they kind of play out like a theatre. The repository is probably where the spirits went after the war and that's why they have memory lanterns for them there idk

[earnest briar]

It's called Repository of Refuge, refuge as in being safe or sheltered from danger. That and confirmation in both Aurora and Remembrance that there was war, or at least battling indicate that those Ancestors took shelter in Vault of Knowledge to avoid it, but died and were unable to move on because of regrets and grief over the loved ones they lost because of the conflict.

[latent tendon]

Well I remember that the theory about a fight between skypeople was way before those season due to the different symbols on the remaining weapons in the battlefield

[earnest briar]

Yep, there was also that. Aurora and Remembrance just confirmed it as canon, and not simply a theory.

[pastel brook]

look at it go, look at me dance over the Sky like a krill

[lofty glen]

Thank you! I'm not very good at parsing the lore through the clues unfortunately

[zealous valley]

I've been wondering why Isle of Dawn used to be so lively with plants and flowers, and now its just a desert.

[sharp lichen]

Desertification, probably

[native galleon]

a friend pointed out to me once that wasteland is the only realm in the concert where an in-game location appears exactly how it does now

[somber zealot]

Probably caused by the Shattering

[native galleon]

isle has much more plant and animal life, and not just around the temple like it does now

the caves in forest look pretty similar to how they do now, but with water at the bottom instead of clouds, and with more areas around it

the valley part isn’t even in a location that exists in game, but it seems to have had more non-frozen water which would explain the lakes and all (also there are some similarities to the area between valley and wasteland but thats just my opinion)

and then there’s wasteland, yknow, the one area which would have gone through the most change, but it’s still just as wasteland-y as it is now by the time period shown in the concert

[somber zealot]

I have a question. In the 4th quest of the current season, the rainfall still hurts our sky kids, which basically means it's not just polluted rain that can hurt us: all rain can. But if that's the case, then why doesn't swimming harm us?
Additionally, clouds are just pre-rain, so why do they charge us up? It can't be because they are extremely reflective and bright, because in that case snow (so basically everywhere in the Valley) should charge us as well.

[somber zealot]

I am guessing that's because the time period in the concert was towards the end of the war, when the desertification had already reached completion? Because Wasteland looks less of a wasteland in the Two Embers trailers.

[native galleon]

this is concept art so it isn’t currently canon, but I think it aligns with current canon in this case. in this map, prairie, forest, and wasteland (which also had rain during days of bloom) are all below this cloud layer coming from Eden, so my theory is that the rain coming from those clouds is corrupted along with the rest of the Eden storm. It would also explain why the snow in Valley doesn’t hurt us, because it’s above the storm.

[somber zealot]

That makes sense. I had thought the pollution level was only dependent on the proximity of the realm to Eden.

[sharp lichen]

I think the Valley area is in the citadel/ flying race part

[native galleon]

I think it is in part, but the rain thing could also be explained by the storm

[native galleon]

I used to think that, but it doesn’t look the same

and I don’t mean that it looks like it’s changed over time, I mean it looks like even the geography is different

[sharp lichen]

I think the Prairie rain is still polluted. Basically all rain in Sky is, even the artificial rain created in the Days of Bloom event

It’s similar to in real life, where our rain has “forever chemicals” that affect us permanently

Water, especially when combined with darkness, is dangerous for skykids

[somber zealot]

I don't know about forever chemicals, but I now wonder why the water puddles in Hidden Forest aren't polluted.

[sharp lichen]

It might be because of the speed that the rain comes down on us

[radiant onyx]

In the concert, the part where you’re a manta, why are they capturing them? :0

[lone hamlet]

I reckon that the whole of Sky looked somewhat like Grandma’s treehouse area. (The only exception is Valley of Triumph and Vault in my opinion) - no dark rain or anything that could hurt, peaceful trees and grass, and Sky People who had beautiful houses both constructed and within trees like Grandma.

I wonder why Grandma’s is one of the few or even only place in Hidden Forest (if you don’t count near the Elder’s temple and the Underground Forest, and the beginning of Hidden Forest) where it doesn’t dark rain

[sharp lichen]

and the Treehouse in some days

[sharp lichen]

Probably either to consume for energy, or use for mounts

[native galleon]

the ancestors killed and drained light creatures to power stuff, so probably that

[native galleon]

Because grandma is actually the most powerful character in sky /j

The rain and the shards fear her

[lone hamlet]

YESSSSS

[sharp lichen]

commander of the gender economy

[quaint coral]

Is their arm like that because they’re turning to stone, or is it something else? 🤔
What do you guys think??

[sharp lichen]

It's similar to the affection that wounded the Wounded Warrior

[quiet solar]

most likely corruption, like how the spirit statues have darkstone crystals(?) growing on them

[latent tendon]

Yall I had a question. So like the two embers basically confirmed that gw didn't have a permanent cloud layer so then where is the 'city' located like is it at eden itself but then why have industrial area between the valley and eden

Originally I used to think the city was floating above gw supported by trees planted in there ( the holes in the sky ) but now it's kinda weird

[quiet solar]

its possible that the ancestors used boats to fly over wasteland but then it would not link up with the war

unless they wanted to destroy the factories

[sudden veldt]

Yeah, I thought so too. As for the war, I agree with the theory of the people of wasteland fighting against darkstone production because it's polluting their lands, with people from Valley and Eden fighting to keep the factories open because without power, half of their cities will collapse. Plus, with the whole society being based around ascending into the skies, I imagine people living in a sea-level desert surrounded by wealthy mountain cities would be looked down on.

[quiet solar]

it also ties in to sactuary island and how the ancestors there wanted to 'escape from life'
perhaps they felt like the conflict was too meaningless so they hid away in a place far from it

[quiet solar]

i just participated in the aurora concert again and i realised that this area looks a lot like eden, except the shattering diamond is not there, so this could be eden before it was taken over by the king?
and the fact that aurora takes us to orbit right after this makes be truly believe that she is a form of the megabird, or part of the megabird

the area in warrior of love suggests that all of this takes place long before the king decided to build in eden as the beam leading up into the sky is yellow and not reddish orange
it also suggests that the ancestors exploited the migration of the light creatures and captured as many as they could, as the mantas (including the players) are all moving towards eden

its possible that the players actually represent the migration as, when you get to the gate in seed of hope, you are the only butterfly left, which would mean that the war, or maybe even one of the wars, happened during the migration, and a bunch of creatures were caught in the crossfire and died, further contributing to the depletion of light

it also seems like the protestors were trying to get into the temple, most likely trying to escape from the meteor shower, as can be seen from the sun shield near the tech that opens the gate

im sorry for the rant people probably already mentioned these before 😭

[distant turtle]

Thank you for sharing

[quiet solar]

it is my pleasure 🫡

[native galleon]

They also could have been trying to protect the temple and/or the vault, where all the refugees had to go. If not fleeing there themselves.

[marble pasture]

hey, before the events of sky (something shown mainly in hidden forest), people would hunt, deforest and mine for resources right?
probably it got to the point where civilization got divided between people against all the exploration of resources and people that thought they should keep going
which probably caused a conflict/war in the golden wasteland between the two groups
the aftermath would be the loss of the people that were with the light creatures (which i think were retaliating)
and then the exploitation of all that continued and led to the demise of the king and the others to
it's a silly theory, and i have no idea where the elders would fit in all of that, but I'm new to theorizing and I'm mostly getting it from the aurora concert

[quiet solar]

oh yes, and the desertification of the isle seemed to have happened after the king built in eden, and this suggests that the death of the ancestors was not quick, but instead slow and possibly painful, either dying from starvation due to infertile lands, dying from inhaling particles from the storm and getting corrupted from the inside out, or even by some form of radiation

if not, the diamond could have been stable for a while (suggested by the still yellow beam) and the people were moving to eden or valley, presumably for a better home or to work at to provide for their families

[distant turtle]

If by the city you mean where we fly when we turn white at the end of Eden, I think that’s the levitating landmass we see from a distance. If you mean the wide shot with glowing blue from the trailer, I think it surrounded the Eden diamond area, and that the blue glow is from the same Eden diamond. I don’t know for sure of course, but I feel the rotunda with glowing blue light is the same exact spot as the Eden area we explore after the point of no return. I think the city in the trailer is only rubble now.

I think this rubble is the area with that city from the trailer, which covered the entire peak of the mountain, and that the Eden diamond was in the round building in the center. I don’t think we set foot in the city area in the game very much and I think we mostly go under it through that tunnel with the winged light.

[latent tendon]

By the city I mean the area that is supposed to be after the eden temple ( the valley prompt is the city gates will open smtng like that )

[sharp lichen]

The problem with this area is that it’s too big to be a part of Eden. We see rolling hills all around, while Eden would actually look more like a mountain.

I think it’s either a fake setpiece area or some place in Wasteland

[distant turtle]

Cool, I vaguely recall that prompt. I would need to revisit. I know Valley has more city area that isn’t able to be explored by sky kids in the game, because the concert Valley part is in a big area we don’t ever see otherwise.

[latent tendon]

If I remember correctly the only 2 gates that open after the valley race are the gate in the colloseum and the one after the elder cutscene. It would make sense for the elder gate to lead to the city rather than the temple gate

[quiet solar]

its also possible that the rocks never formed until the diamond shatterred but i see your point too

[sharp lichen]

I think this image is the diamond still under construction/obscured from view

Maybe it’s absorbing the beam from Eden, making the blue glow

[distant turtle]

What is this was how the players were crafted? Just a fun idea to imagine.
My guess is that it’s located by the wasteland battlefield but to the left or right of the game area a good distance away.

[latent tendon]

Istg the amount of detail in the series teaser is so much more than anything we have in the game 😭 sky rlly needs a rework

[marble pasture]

I'm no theorist but i think this is important

[sharp lichen]

That star looks like the Eden elder

[marble pasture]

yes

i know this star represents the eden elder, but i do not know what exactly he looks like exactly
and i just wanted to show y'all because i thought it'd be interesting/important since i have never seen anyone talk about it

[sharp lichen]

When the season of shattering first came out, there was massive hype

The closest image we have to the Eden Elder is the mural activated by the white candles in Eden

[lofty glen]

Thought the Wounded Warrior was injured when he got hit with a spear? Is there something I'm missing about this you could possibly explain to me?

[cosmic slate]

Does the forrest elder have power daimonds installed into their hands?!?

[rustic glen]

I like to think so

[lusty merlin]

I think they’re tattoos shaped like them but that’s also cool!

[cold sparrow]

they're definitely 3d geometry and not just flat tattoos

[lusty merlin]

Hmm the ones on their fingers are but the bottom palms diamond isint raised so I’m not quite sure

[cold sparrow]

they look like they're protruding from gloves (gloves because the line along the lower arms also looks embossed)

[cold sparrow]

you can see the one on the lower hand having a prominent dark shadow on the left side, and the top one has a light shadow on the bottom half
they're definitely 3d geometry

[lusty merlin]

Oo i see it now

[lusty merlin]

I feel the gloves would be a different shade of color though, unless they’re full transparent gloves with just those details or something

[inland cliff]

idk if this is ever mentioned, but does lightseekers and Enchantment have the power to control weather? We seen Lightseekers calling out rain (sometimes poisonous) and Enchantment having 6 orbs representing elements, magic and some mere concept that depict the realm it lashed on

[lusty merlin]

Yeah but I feel it’s more akin to learning and studying the color lights which gives their powers in the first place. We just know the ark was carrying color lights somewhere before the crash

[sharp lichen]

The mask has the same blue Crystal infecting their eyes

[inland cliff]

Fair enough. Possibly the two season have been in a long term provider/marketer relationship, where lightseekers provide light orbs, the main source for enchantment to shift and craft into spells with their first shop might take place in early isle and prairie

When pollution in forest and wasteland started, they may have thought of the idea to use light orbs and embroidered them with ideal and elements, making them the embodiment of those concept, although they’re still learning how to use it exactly, until they crashed in wasteland, leaking the color orbs to scatter around

In their afterlife, they used the orbs like spells, one by one carrying life back to the ark. This means their true goal was to repair nature and the damage tht was left behind

[sly isle]

Reading back messages rn and I found yours. Yes! I think a lot of people would get upset, but I wish the devs would slow down with the seasons and events and I wish they focused more on polishing, environmental storytelling, world building and optimizing. I know this message is weird in lore chat, but read the bold parts again 😅

[cold sparrow]

but they're adding more environmental storytelling and world building with every season

the graphical detail of the series vs the game is another matter
that's a stylistic decision - and a pre-rendered animated series has more room to add detail and polish every screen as much as they can
vs a game that a) has to run on mobile devices and b) is subject to players freely moving around and seeing every object from every angle

[sharp lichen]

I agree with rooty in this context. Sky COTL and Sky the Two Embers are different in tone, graphics, and storytelling.

One fact that I stand by in game design is that the little things (polishing, optimizing, removing glitches) are as important as the big things (new areas, extra content, more lore).

To focus on one too much is to abandon the other. Balance needs to be found

[cold sparrow]

they're also constantly working on fixing things
it's not that they're just adding new pieces all the time
not too long ago, they reworked - and are still looking to improve - shared spaces, for example

[sly isle]

You are right @cold sparrow and my wording was not that good. Sorry. I meant that I wish for more updates that contain more lore. Because I absolutely loved the season of the Little Prince, it added very little to Sky's lore. This is just an example.

[sharp lichen]

Fair enough

The quest for more crumbs is an everlasting drame

[sly isle]

(But I still stand by my point that I think the devs should focus on polishing just a bit (not a lot) more. But this opinion doesn't belong in this channel)

[cold sparrow]

The Little Prince season is probably a bad example, since it was a collab season revolving around, well, the Little Prince
those are very rare, and the second full collab season actually did add a lot of lore
but so did recent seasons
Remembrance showed us insight into the side effects of war and the fates of refugees, Passage showed us old traditions of the people of Isle, and Memories right now shows us what the world of Sky would look like if utterly untouched by Ancestor civilization - including raw dark crystals
that's all peak world building

[sharp lichen]

gameplay-discussion-spoilers is an unofficial nickname for this channel

[sly isle]

I didn't say that the seasons added nothing, but compared to what we got in a few minute trailer, the difference is huge. You have great points about a series vs a game. But somehow I felt that this difference is a bit large. That's all and this is just one, singular opinion.

[cold sparrow]

I think that's also intentional!
the animation project is obviously intended to fill in blanks that are too big or too specific to show in the game
it may answer questions about what eden was like, how the shattering came to be, what happened to the ancestors in the time after that
those are all things that don't quite fit how the game tells its story. the game tells the past in glimpses - still frames in memories and the concert, cryptic memories of the shards, and often focused more on an individual spirit's life and personality than the big catastrophe

[sly isle]

Well, TGC said that they made the story up to players' interpretation so maybe my longing for more lore in the game is something pointless 😅 But! I can't wait to watch the series together with the community and discuss every little detail about it 😌

[native galleon]

meant to say this way earlier, but i love how the concert encore is making more people have these “hold up, what exactly happened here?” moments

[sharp lichen]

It's note! The game itself contains many hints that lead up to the big story. After all, without the season of Shattering, we never would've officially known how Eden became such a desolate place

[native galleon]

yeah and also every time they have a concrete answer for a lore question they add something else that just raises even more questions

i think we’ll see a lot of that with two embers

[fluid knoll]

what happened in shattering? i wasn't there so i don't know

[sharp lichen]

I have a 45 minute video on it, but if you’re not completely insane, here’s a TLDR:

The big diamond you see in Eden is actually extremely important. The hidden Eden Elder built it, but it absorbed all the light creatures and shattered. This caused the devastation in Eden and the death of the spirits, as well as the Shard eruptions. Also, in the elder memory, we see the Eden Elder falling into the diamond

[fluid knoll]

ohh okay i was like what eden elder lol?? i only see this diamond thing

[sharp lichen]

You can see it at the extreme top

[tough tide]

Definitely did for me, in Runaway you see the isle elder waiting for the spirits to fly to them on boats and I never thought spirits were able to directly interact with elders like that

[latent tendon]

is the mountain of eden even a natural formation or is it an actual storm

[quiet solar]

probably a natural formation shrouded in a storm

[spiral vault]

They're above me in my memory

[hushed steeple]

Hey Lore besties! I doubt it, but do we have any others teasers for The Two Embers?

[frigid trail]

excuse me, but what's that?

[sharp lichen]

Check the pins

[frigid trail]

oooo, that will be interesting!

[drifting heath]

Y’all crabs aren’t evil they’re actually so sweet I just saw some crabs helping the flipped over crabs and it was so cutee <33

[sharp lichen]

They ascend just like we do, so maybe you’re more right than you think

[honest hornet]

Many crabs have shards in them. I don't think they're evil per se. It's more like they've been corrupted

Isn't there a harmless crab somewhere? I may be thinking of an event area, but I vaguely remember there being a harmless crab. Maybe in the future we will be able to purify some of them

[oblique cave]

Yes in the fireplace in golden wasteland

[cold sparrow]

and a few outside the islets in Sanctuary Island iirc

[quiet solar]

some in office

[limber shore]

2 in Sanc too, I like to think they are 2 lil crab bros just chillin' on their lil island

[native galleon]

and in the concert area

[stiff citrus]

May i ask what it means that they ascend like we do?

[sharp lichen]

In the Season of Shattering, once we clear a red shard, a creature's memories appears. We then relive its memories and it ascends, similar to a spirit or the statues we save in Eden. We even get ascended candles. One of these creatures are a crab.

[stiff citrus]

Ooooooh that makes sense auosidis

[hushed steeple]

Sheesh. It’s been a hot minute. I know I don’t need to apologize for my absence…

So I’m not.

But I wanna share my reasonings just cuz.
1.School started back up.
2.I lost motivation/interest to play Sky.
3.I lost motivation/interest in hanging out in lore chat for a bit too!

So Imma just start with something I noticed recently.

During the warrior of love part of the AURORA concert, the halo/ring of light caused by Eden’s light beam expands and shrinks in correspondence to AURORA’s vocal parts.

[obtuse tapir]

There's also some harmless crabs in certain parts of Sanctuary Islands.

[potent sedge]

Have they explained what worms are? The dark things in the trial of fire?

[sharp lichen]

Not they, but my theory is that they’re just moving obstacles created to test our courage

[drifting heath]

Crabs can fly (real) I have proof

[sharp lichen]

Gib proof

[pine heron]

Hey, if I made lore for my sky child, does that go here? Is that ok in general?

[earnest briar]

Hmm, idk. I don’t think there’s been a lot of that to my knowledge, but I also don’t recall there ever being an explicit rule against doing so.

[sharp lichen]

Do it here, best to put it where you can actually get a response than in the unending storm of #general-sky-discussion

[latent tendon]

is that mountain of eden?

the slope seems way too low but why is the silhouette there

[tropic isle]

Im not even seeing the Mountain

[cold sparrow]

the wasteland lies in front of the mountain of eden
the entrance to vault lies at the bottom of the mountain
and seems to be built into the mountain, which is why you exit the vault on top of the mountain after ascending with an elevator

for better visualization, here are some old concept arts by Tom Zhao
the golden wasteland is a valley that lies before the mountain of Eden

[drifting heath]

Skykids like to burn darkness right? Which is probably why skykids love to burn crabs and eat them sometimes, which probably explains why krills attack skykids.

[cold sparrow]

bold claim
where and when are skykids eating crabs?

[drifting heath]

Golden wasteland at the bonfire area and also this sticker exists

[languid mulch]

And the wasteland is the downtown of valley

[cold sparrow]

it appears that the crabs are purified through the heat and/or the light
the crabs around the bonfire/in the bowl aren't hostile
they're not necessarily for eating
in fact, iirc, in a patch that area was changed to put the crabs from a stick into a bowl so it doesn't look like they're being skewered
they're being helped, not cooked
also, it's not proven that this is the skykids doing
the pleaful parent sitting by the bonfire obviously is trying to take care of the crabs there

[drifting heath]

Yea there are some crabs that don’t attack skykids but usually when I go to the bonfire there’s always someone there that flips over the crabs after I try to help them :/

And some skykids try to burn the crabs which is basically hurting them

[lyric imp]

Has toxic rain in peaks been discussed yet? It was a bit surprising to me bc it seems to show that darkstone doesn't need to be extracted to pollute rain

[nimble ingot]

It has, although people are more than welcome to bring it up again.
Purely because it is natural for folks who joined later on in the game/lorechat would like to learn more about topics players would have likely gone over in the lorechat on occasion as far back as the feature and/or the lorechat existed.

I like to think the rain is polluted because of the corruption in the Storm affecting the weather.
I hypothesized on why the ground/water is fine is because the earth/nature/trees are purifying the water, but it may possibly be the reason why the forest is in a petrified like state. Also why the ancestors possibly tried to avoid the rain themselves. Not just because you get cold while getting wet from the rain, but also that the darkness in the rain itself is draining away the light.
But that is just a theory I have.

Furthermore, you are welcome to look up/read about/find out what theories were posted about it in the lore chat.

[quiet solar]

it its most likely that darkness has always existed in the realm of sky, like how darkness cannot exist without light, light cannot exist without darkness, and there was balance until the ancestors decided to start harvesting darkness and spreading it across the realm, diminishing the light and throwing the balance off scale

they got so caught up taking their own shadows that they also took their own light, killing themselves as a result

[hushed steeple]

Meanwhile, me and my world building addiction having done this several times
/j

[urban pond]

Whats the meaning of us having to perish in eye of eden why can’t we get a happy ending why do they have to die

[sharp lichen]

It’s not visible in this screenshot, it’s obscured by the haze

[urban pond]

Why does such a beautiful game have to end so horribly, they didn’t deserve such a fate

[normal sphinx]

This is positioned to the side, not Infront of the mountain

[earnest briar]

Death is temporary for Sky Kids, we just go to space and then fall back down for funsies. As for the Spirits, we’re helping them properly move on to the afterlife (they got stuck in limbo in the Kingdom) and helping them find peace, reuniting with their loved ones in the Light.

[quiet solar]

well, this game is about the cycle of life and rebirth, so to say to die is part of the games beauty, and you keep growing (getting more wl)
to remain alive is to stagnate in the game, and you cannot progress and grow (in terms of wl)

[urban pond]

Yea but it makes me so sad each time cause the death sequence is loooong and you just feel bad all the way

[earnest briar]

Why’d it make you feel bad? Yeah it’s really sad that all the Ancestors died and became Spirits, but it happened long before we appeared so there wasn’t exactly a lot we could do about it except for helping their souls ascend to the Light.

[nimble ingot]

The game during it development notably lacked a conclusive end.
As far as I had researched the lore, and known of TGC's work in the game. They may have not want the game to end.
Almost like in Minecraft, even when you defeated the final boss, you were able to return to the game as if nothing changed, other than you knowing how it could end and yet you chose to return to the same game you started your journey in.

I have not seen concept art or lore that suggested at Sky having a 'good ending' sadly.
This is either because the company has been particularly secretive about this part of the lore. Perhaps to save it till they ever decide to 'end' the game in some way. Or, they wanted the ending to be open ended, as how the lore is also set up in this way.
Sky lore is open to interpretation, therefore having a set ending would make interpreting the story a bit redundant.

Just like the game cryptically tells your moth that, "The real Journey starts here..."
When you return from what was at first thought to be the end, the story of your skykid is yours to tell.
The game from that point basically told you what the story of Sky is like, and you are able to make of it as you wish with your own interpretation of it.

[quiet solar]

well, look at it this way, death in this game is simply an obstacle and not something devastating that ruins your life forever (for skykids at least)
even the ancestors came back as spirits
eden is like those big obstacles in life that you overcome and learn from

[sharp lichen]

There are two ways of analyzing the ending of Sky, in my eyes.

The first is the idea of “surviving against all odds.” That Skykids are so resilient that even when faced with overwhelming darkness, they will endure anyways.

The other way to view it is “working together to keep the darkness at bay.” When you die, the Skykids you saved break out of their darkness and fly up with you, rewarding you for sacrificing your Winged Light.

[urban pond]

Yes but there’s no winning, you just…die… feels sort of pointless to make all this just to die in the end

If we were defeating something it could just respawn after, instead or making a long hard path with no satisfaction in the end…

[cold sparrow]

in that journey, you're saving other skykids - the statues along the way in eden - and are restoring some of the light bit by bit

[urban pond]

There’s no satisfaction to it tho i have no feeling of having accomplished anything i just plain died

[cold sparrow]

you ascended and were reborn

[nimble ingot]

you die, then you ascend, you are reborn and then the game leaves the world open for you to write your skykid's own story from then on.

[urban pond]

Yes but it feels empty of an end there’s no goal to walking the hard path of eye of eden!!!

[cold sparrow]

Sky (and in a similar vein, Journey) is very much about "the journey is the goal"
it's not about defeating evil, not about winning, it's about making and completing the journey

[urban pond]

But the children of the light are literally made for the purpose of defeating the darkness

[cold sparrow]

and we do so, every time we burn a plant of darkness, or burn away the darkness that traps the ancestor spirits
not by fighting the shattered eden diamond

[urban pond]

I want to fight beings of darkness not your local garden

[cold sparrow]

then this may be the wrong game for you
Sky isn't about fighting, it isn't about battles, it's about helping and healing

[urban pond]

Nah man i do love this game it’s just that part that bugs me

[urban pond]

Ok then no fighting but we could have an alternative instead of tragically dying like meet a goddess and exchange the light energy for ascending it doesn’t need to be so sad

[viral bay]

I meannnn you CAN try to mess around with Krills

Playin around w them and crabs is the closest thing to fight u could find in Sky lolol

[urban pond]

Ye but it doesn’t need to have such a sad way of ascending

[cold sparrow]

TGC already used this sort of narrative in Journey, and it was as effective as it is in Sky imo
it's a defeating conclusion - before revealing that it's no conclusion at all, and that life goes on, and you return to continue your journey

[urban pond]

My point is it doesn’t need to be so tragic and hard to reach in the first place we struggle to get to that point to die anyways you cannot say it doesn’t feel a bit pointless

[cold sparrow]

sure, it doesn't need to be, but it is
and I personally disagree with it feeling pointless
I love the ending
to each their own I suppose

[urban pond]

It doesn’t make up for the struggle of the way to the crystal

[nimble ingot]

For what it is worth.

In Light Awaits concept art, there was what looked like plans for Eden to have the King fight a massive dark creature.
The skykid would have tried to reach the King to save them. And either fall short, or reach the King, the scene white's out and fades to black.
The skykid is revived by the Sky Prince and ascends with their friends from the King's body.
They are reborn, and that was it as far as I could piece things together from an old concept that has since changed drastically in the game.

[rapid sail]

idk maybe i am just a person who likes tragedies, but i personally feel like the eye of eden was meant to be an impossible battle that you could not win, like someone said earlier in this you cannot have the light without the darkness. You cannot ‘kill’ the darkness, no matter how much you cling onto your life you cannot escape the death that awaits for you in the end.
Idk how to properly explain it, maybe i just like sad things

[cold sparrow]

it's not even sad imo
it's a struggle is what it is
and the payoff is heading into orbit
like, the 'death' is such a short part of it

[native galleon]

yeah also, if you get any base game constellation to 100%, there is…something not too far off which i can spoil if you want (or not)

[nimble ingot]

Welcome to the lorechat

The final moments leading up to death is certainly sombre (sad).
The slowing heartbeat, the skykid hardly moving and their bodies riddled in darkness.

Aside from Eden. Do you have other moments of sadness you like?

[native galleon]

the game is about making the world better slowly with the little power you have, not swooping in and saving the world. you can’t fix the eden diamond or defeat a krill, but you can burn away darkness and help spirits ascend and restore places through quests etc

[lyric imp]

This, @urban pond

'Return the light to the fallen'
Eden is about sacrifice. Giving our life so that others may undergo rebirth and then we wait until someone does the same for us. (The actual wait and requirement to be revived by sb else is skipped for obvious reasons)

It is either tragic or beautiful depending on whether you focus on your pain, or on the point of your suffering

[sharp lichen]

It reminds me of the ending halo mission. The one that says “current objective: survive”. They both have a harrowing tone, but are still heroic in the end

[lyric imp]

I'm not sure how would you imagine good ending that would actually be an ending. Ascention and moving on to the next life requires death and in sky this death is made noble. What else could be done here? Or would you rather cut out the entire trope of rebirth, deleting half of skykid lore? Or make rebirth cause a permanent change in the world, instead undermining the message of cyclical nature of things?

Ancestors may have tipped the world out of balance, but now it's in a new state of constance

[nimble ingot]

it could be both, frankly.

The game has grown a lot over the seasons and with that, there is plenty of variety in content in the realms.

Here is an interesting theory I'd like to drop before I go.

With the PC release on the way, what would you propose be the cosmetic bundle for the game to go with it?

For Nintendo, we were given a Mario theme hub, and Link inspired cosmetics.
For Playstation, we got Journey since it was the game TGC got a good launch in sales off (Even though Sony owns the rights of the game and hence is in the package).
And now Steam.

Steam is owned by Valve, which based on the pattern we got so far would possibly imply we could get something from that company coming to Sky.
Any thoughts?

[cold sparrow]

hats on hats

[sharp lichen]

Now that I think of it, Halo Reach’s final mission and the PNR area in Sky are very similar.

An ultimate sacrifice of your very self, just to help others like you live on.

The tone, message, and objectives are very similar. Even the music that plays have a similar theme: peaceful, even in the face of death.

https://youtu.be/4d0LXsB6iGg?si=2fSkcx1gyW8xJU30

https://youtu.be/BsGDdaQbkrQ?si=_Yc3PBMvEmzRBKiR

“Your body, your armor- all burned and turned to glass. Everything, except your courage.”

“Your body, your cape- all shattered and turned to rock. Everything, except your courage.”

[sharp lichen]

Hear me out- a navy blue colored cape that has filled in circles for wings. When it levels up, concentric circles appear and they become connected

[rapid sail]

to answer your question, the little prince season moved me because it was a book my mom read to me when i was little. and with each memory you see with the rose and how she wonders how the prince was doing while her petals fell, really just…ahhh- it really did something.

also another event in the vault (i forgot the name of the season but it’s where you make spaces for the spirits there trying to heal them of their pain) and reliving the spirits memories as they go through the loss of a loved one really hit me in the heart strings

i’ve always loved how the game portrays emotions really well especially when it’s limited with no dialogue

also the aurora concert was just tidal waves of emotions the song
The Seed especially
there was so many powerful lines in that song
Through the Eyes of a Child too.
i was trying so hard not to sob in the middle of the night listening to it, lol

[urban pond]

Certainly if it can provide me extra motivation to clear the game

[grizzled rain]

I'd love to see something related to Half Life or Portal themed as the launch.

[urban pond]

Is the little prince event coming back

Aw rlly, that sucks……

[rapid sail]

not sure, but i think you can play through it if you haven’t yet-

[native galleon]

when you finish a constellation you summon the elder of that realm basically

[urban pond]

Ye the map is still there but i did everything and erm nothing happened i did the lantern guy, the canoe guy, the book guy, the king, am i missing some?

[urban pond]

Finish as in collecting spirits or collecting spirits AND unlocking all of their stuff?

[native galleon]

the second thing, but you don’t need to get the tier 2 capes and anything else past the t2 wing buffs

[urban pond]

Tbh it wasn’t at all my kind of music so i was like « eh »

[urban pond]

Wdym tier 2

[lavish wind]

Do only skychildren have internal flames? I understand spirits can share light to recharge winged light and your internal flamelight, but... were ancestors incapable of producin light themselves?

[sharp lichen]

The ones that cost around 40 hearts

When it says 100% in the constellation

[lavish wind]

I guess ancestors were simply able to harness light energy (from megabird's light) to produce technology and stuff, not produce it like skykids can.

[deep timber]

Idk where to put this but it's mostly a headcannon.

I have this small idea that whatever season you were closest to when you began the game is your home and the spirit guide is your parent or smth, for example I was "born" in season of dreams, I imagine my skid in one of the houses you see when entering through the tunnel and my "mother" is the spirit guide.
Idk if this should go here so just tell me if it shouldn't ^^

[lavish wind]

I feel like ancestors jus adopt skykids that they bond with.

Personally, Doublefive Lightcatcher is one of my skysona's dads. (Besides the Wasteland Elder, Bereft Veteran, Wounded Warrior, and Frantic Stagehand.)

[native galleon]

they harvested light from light creatures and used it to power darkstone technology. the most common form in game would be the power diamonds that operate the doors, the vault elevator, even the memory crystals and shared spaces, etc. (there’s so much more, but those are some examples). skykids can use it because we have light energy of our own that can be easily transferred without hurting us, but the light harvesting process canonically happened on a very large scale, implying that ancestors presumably had nothing like that.

[hushed steeple]

My skykid, I can’t decide if they’re like me or the antithesis of me. Hard to tell.
However, no matter which one, there are no spirits that feel like adopting my skid.

[lavish wind]

isn't that jus visual storytellin that they did this?

i know that one interactive aurora song has them catchin light mantas in nets for whatever purposes. and darkstone technology? isn't that jus conjecture taken from concept art? idk. canon is so openended and loose

[native galleon]

Pretty clear visual storytelling, yes. There are murals in Treasure Reef that show the process, as well as environmental clues in places like Forest and Wasteland

[native galleon]

just saw the edit lol. given that the song before it shows the ancestors extracting darkstone from a mine, and the one after it shows the environmental destruction from the industry, that’s very likely what they were capturing the mantas for

Sky doesn’t usually show the graphic details of…well, any part of the lore, but especially the darker parts, because it’s meant for all ages. However, there’s enough context for this that it’s about as canon as it gets

[lavish wind]

Yep.

[sharp lichen]

Honestly, it depends on how much you knew when you first start playing Sky. It’s a good theory, though

I first started around June, near the tail end of the Season of Enchantment. I had little to no clue what the season was about, didn’t visit the Forgotten Ark until after the season, and generally ignored what was happening in favor of doing the main story.

Meanwhile, I understood the season of Sanctuary far better. I went to the seasonal area, relived all the spirits, and did all the quests live.

How you’re raised is often more important than how you’re born. That’s why I consider Sanctuary to be my starting season, rather than Enchantment

[deep timber]

I like that and that makes more sense too, I mainly started at the end of prophecy but obviously didn't know that, by the time dreams came I knew how to at least play the game

[native galleon]

my home now costs $25 to enter and my mom is a real human being suspended in an orb /j

shattering moths: i got a rock

[quiet solar]

i have a broken ship

[novel marten]

Little Prince moths:

[deep timber]

If your in prophecy you just hang out in one of the trials

Fire would be horrible to sleep in

[quiet solar]

after reading about someone talking about thermonuclear bombs in here i now wonder if the ancestors ever used something similar to nuclear bombs during the war

[sharp lichen]

I think yes, read this paragraph: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[quiet solar]

😭😭

[sharp lichen]

i know, it goes crazy. Somehow, someway, Sky is connected to special relativity, and it's crazier that it makes sense

[quiet solar]

whats special relativity actually 😭

[sharp lichen]

"From our perspective; it takes 8 minutes for light from the Sun to reach our Planet. From the perspective of a theoretical person riding on the back of a Photon (at the speed of light) you would see the Photons around you making the same distance twice as fast; in half the time. Sounds impossible again, but it has been proven.

This behavior falls under "Special Relativity", which contradicts General Relativity in ways that should be impossible in a 3-Dimensional Universe. Whereby Light can effectively go beyond Spacetime and into the Fourth Dimension."

That's from Zero Clockwise

From me: That's why the realms are so distorted, time wise, essentially appearing "frozen in time". Light is affected by gravity, so the massive pull of Eden causes the realm's to appear extremely distorted (such as Valley's permanent sunset).

And when we go into Eden, we as Skykids don't feel any distortion. That's because photons (and light) can essentially ignore time, and pass through areas frozen in time without any problem

[quiet solar]

ohhh thats really cool

wait what about prairie peaks, could it be too far away from eden to be affected by its gravity

[sharp lichen]

Kind, of like home.

Read more on it here: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[quiet solar]

so the skykids are imagining the time and their power is balanced when entering eden? am i getting this right 😭

[hushed steeple]

True true

Bc, by example, when you are “born” in between seasons

I arrived a few weeks after shattering ended, and so ofc i had no idea of the fact that there had just been a season, and, as it could be expected, my starying season was aurora, the one i have a lot of love towards

Also headcanonically for me wounded warrior adopted my skykid :3

[hushed steeple]

Me!

Me me! Xd

I remember after aurora, when remembrwnce came, i was like

“Where da spirits”

Bc i was used to going to the guide and the spirits being around, and being able to talk to them in a way

[latent tendon]

does the skykids death even have any significant implications other than freeing other skykids?

[lusty merlin]

Self sacrifice I guess? Since we give up our own light to save others at the cost of our own life

[latent tendon]

isn't it kind of a self perpetuating cycle cause we technically become one of kids that died there

ik we shatter at the end but it seems weird

AND THE STATUES R DEAD AGAIN AFTER A WEEK SO

[fierce lagoon]

skykids stop turning into statues challenge (impossible)

[latent tendon]

u can see the edges of the mountain there. and the light source alings pretty perfectly

also has anyone looked into the preset names for ur friends? like r they from any real world languages and/or cultures

[torpid shadow]

my own interpretation is that it's just like, culturally ingrained to self sacrifice in order to save the statue kids, even at the risk of becoming one themself

like it's both a cycle but not. the cycle isn't necessarily the same moments looping over again but instead committing yourself to the same task over and over again to carry the chumps that became statues cuz tjey got stuck 💪 im gonna be so honest idk anything about sky cotl lore im making this all up just from me staring intensely at my phone screen like omg pretty game... WOAH STORY ELEMENTS..

[quiet solar]

well we are supposed to turn into stone until someone saves up but the game doesnt want us to have to wait so they made it such that we broke

[quiet solar]

i mean your theory seems logical, after all the game is a constant cycle and its possible that megabird hardwired the skids to do so

[sharp lichen]

The way Sky’s names work is that it’s alternating between vowels and consonants. Every vowel follows a consonant and vice versa. That means a name like Lucas can work, but Baudshaw can’t.

The other rules include: Every vowel and consonant are equally prioritized, except for X, Q, and J, which have a half
chance of appearing. It appears that the shortest name is 4 letters and the longest name is 8.

[sharp lichen]

Here’s what I wrote about it: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[distant turtle]

You know how when we find spirits they go to the Elder temple and wait to be released? And we give the Elder our light. I think we take the place of Eden Elder when we go through Eden, releasing the spirits with us to ascend to Orbit.

[sharp lichen]

Replace “imagining” with “ignoring” and you’re right

[willow pumice]

Sky lore part 4 is ready. https://www.reddit.com/r/SkyGame/comments/16bix4e/sky_lore_explained_in_depth_part_4/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[full bone]

Maybe the color of the cracks on the "people" that turned into stone can tell us something?

[soft timber]

flies in here and pinged What's cursed about this is that there are names that sound and/or look like actual names people would have, and then there is this one friend I have on Sky with the random name of Xereg

I pronounce it as either Zer-egg or Ze-rig, but I don't really know how to pronounce it as the letter X is barely used in the English language

[nova venture]

Either of those pronunciations works. In English, an X at the beginning of a word usually sounds like a Z

[soft timber]

Oh nice!!! Thankie!!!

[latent tendon]

I've seen it used in chinese and they usually pronounce it as sh

[elfin pollen]

What do you think these are?

[dreamy orbit]

Where’s the Forest looking one?

[elfin pollen]

Next to the bonfire

The dots are also at different points, so that could mean something

[nimble ingot]

Time stones (headcanon nickname)

These used to indicate events taking place in the area back in Light Awaits.
They sadly dont work as intended. The inner dial was supposed to turn around, and once it hits the top, it lets you know the event has started.

Unless I am mistaken, the one in Day village is for a boat event (that does not work due to supposed lag it used to cause. The boat though is still in the map. Just sitting out of bounds, under one of the islands and is invisible). The other one could have been used to indicate a rainbow showing up in Forest Brook. The rainbow does appear there.

I'll quickly look this up to be sure though.
Update.
I was wrong about the Day village one.

They are called clocks in the wiki: https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/Timing_System

Here is how to read the clock: These clocks are stationary and do not tell the current time. They tell you when to come here for certain events. The Prairie one has the two dots aligned at the 12 o'clock position, with the inner dot being the minute hand. It means that you should come here on the hour. This clock is for the "Fairy Ring" on the other island that the pier with the clock is facing. This is a leftover from the beta versions, and the clock isn't accurate. The "Fairy Ring" appears at xx:50 and disappears at xx:00 the next hour, lasting for 10 minutes.

The Forest clock is similar to the Prairie one, but the dot is the hour hand instead of the minute hand. The inner dot is on the 5 o'clock position. It tells players to come here at 5 o'clock PST (both AM and PM) for the rainbow here, lasting for 30 minutes.

It would be nice if these were to work like count down timers though (they dont in the game).
Imagine these stones near an event area like Granny's treehouse, geyser etc. and players could interact with them to learn how long it would be till the event starts up again.
Similar to the daily quest statue, or the in-game countdown for season/days of events.

At least that way, the devs could give players a canonical way for skykids to know about scheduled/timed events in the realms.
Not to mention that timer being on the passage masks **before **you meditate into their scenes.

[native galleon]

i’ve heard that they’re clocks, also i think the forest one has a rainbow at certain times? no idea why they’re there tho

[sharp lichen]

It’s very funny that names like Texas and Sonic are technically allowed in the random name generator, but they’re so rare they make shiny Pokémon look common

[soft timber]

Lol

I have only encountered one person who was blessed with the letter X in their random name

[hushed steeple]

Theory:
Lore-wise, Sky’s time works normally. The reason we only see each realm in one time of day is due to 3 things.
-Each realm is based on a specific chronological aspect of three main themes: Age, Civilization, and TIME OF DAY. To be in Valley but have it at night breaks this third theme.
“Well then, why don’t they have the realms sync with time like other games do. For example: ACNH.”
-This game began development around 2017 and with few tools and less people than bigger companies such as Nintendo. They never had the proper technology to pull it off properly. This is apparent with the home space, time doesn’t naturally shift, it jumps. That was their solution to that problem then. The same thing is to be said with transparent capes. That technology was not available to TGC till recently.
“Then why don’t they apply time changing to the rest of the game now?”
-It’s difficult to do such a thing. Especially with an originally mobile oriented game like Sky. It takes time, trial and error, and polishing to make the time shift smoothly in correspondence to a player’s actual time. They already got something that works so why put in the extra effort and time, especially when you’re working on so many other things already. Along with that, Sky’s graphics don’t work well with meshes. Many spots of lighting/shading are actually just painted on. It’s emersion breaking when you see these areas during a shard event, and you can see how the prairie peaks mountain stays bright at night. In addition to the sake of maintaining one of Sky’s crucial themes and limited technology that quite restricts TGC more than you know, it’s simply not even worth trying to apply time shifts to the older areas of the game at the moment.
The lack of shifting time in-game has nothing to sue with lore, it’s everything to do with technology and messages for the player.
However, feel free to have your own interpretations, I’m not the one writing the lore after all!
Or am I?

[sharp lichen]

Why not use what we have in game to build our theories, rather than some vague notion of “what could be”?

[native galleon]

the name generator gave my friend’s moth account the name “epic” and that’s just their name now

[sharp lichen]

In related news, I just created a summarization of the theories created by @reef fulcrum. Here it is: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1E_drZ7JjhYmbg5rmMHNXC0EAK3Zw0hnTVIfbu4TkcUA/edit

[sharp lichen]

Here’s what I think:

For us to perceive Time in the Realms as static [standing still, or very nearly] could be one of two options.

That the Realms themselves are hurtling through Space at Lightspeed (towards, say, Eden). Another interesting thing worth mentioning about Eden is that it functions like a black hole in terms of gravity. Because of gravitational time dilation; the potentially infinite speed at which all the realms are falling towards Eden means that it would appear to take a potentially infinite amount of time to reach it.

Or, just that we are moving so fast that we exist for what would only seem like a momentary instant to a Carbon-Based observer standing nearby.

I believe it is a mixture of both. The realms that are closest (Valley, Wasteland, etc.) are stuck in a permanent time of day, while the outer areas, like the Prairie Peaks, experience a semi-normal day cycle. That’s also why at the very center of Eden, where time is distorted the most, Skykids can still move around normally, since they can ignore time.

[nimble ingot]

/hj
Should sky have jungle gyms, ball pits, slides, jumping castles... those epic play areas we all loved as kids?

[latent tendon]

o also I'd like to add. From Prarie, forest and valley eden appears at approximately the same distance. and only once we cross valley does eden actually get closer

[cold sparrow]

we're already halfway there with seesaws and swings, so

[sharp lichen]

Slides are there in Days of Sunlight

[nimble ingot]

Imagine skykids in these magnificent things.
Season of Carnival
(pardon the random suggestion lol)

[hushed steeple]

What I say is based on meticulous observation surrounding the game and the company, some things I’ve mentioned(like the meshes not working with Sky’s graphics)have been out right stated and are known fact.
If we are to ignore the process of game developing and refuse to acknowledge the existence of technical limitations, game logic, messages for players through environments, and coding errors we end up with a story influenced by unintended bugs, misunderstood or even outright ignored themes, and products forged out of necessity to get as close to what’s envisioned as possible.

These are not elements of a text.

These are expected characteristics of a game.

These are creations of human imperfection.

Part of lore-chat is filtering out what’s part of the lore and what is there for the sake of or as consequence of having an entertaining game with a powerful message to be held dear by an audience.

You said this yourself a while back if I remember correctly.

If you need any further reason to believe what I say ask anyone I actually know. I’m a very meticulous and observant person.

I don’t do things without an actual reason or full thought behind it unless it’s intentional as correspondence with my chaotic self.

And again.
This game has a lot to do with interpretation.

[latent tendon]

#wishlist-and-ideas-archived

[pastel brook]

[latent tendon]

the eden from valley looks a bit further away but ykwim

[sharp lichen]

The big problem is… what do we know about the developers? For all we know, they might think the realms being frozen in time is an important part of Sky (after all, in early versions, they’re named after the primary time of day they’re set in).

There’s a big difficulty in trying to separate what is lore and what is gameplay, because, ultimately, Sky is a game.

If the developers release an “Ultimate Lore Bible” that confirms or deconfirms every theory that exists, then we may rethink this, but not now.

[somber zealot]

Using the physical laws of our universe, it is the most possible that Eden acts as a black hole in the sense that it dilates time. Note that it would have to be large enough to sidestep the issue of spaghettification, which would not allow entire realms to stay in their original shape.

[sharp lichen]

If you read the document posted just above the message, Zero Clockwise says:

Pure Darkstone [the material that’s causing Eden to be so distorted] is a substance so perfectly dense; that it exerts a force of Gravity which is exactly enough to draw in Photons, but not enough to have noticeable effect on any Solid Atoms.

[somber zealot]

Maybe it's strange matter (similar to the innards of a neutron star)

[hushed steeple]

Alrighty, you believe what you wanna believe, and I’ll believe what I wanna believe.

Maybe we’ll return to this again someday.

I’d say at most 4 years from now.
But what do I know?
I’m just a factually intelligent and very meticulous person with a strange intuition where I can guess specifics of characteristics of things I’ve never seen before with(while nothing brilliant when compared to even 50%)absurd accuracy.

By the way, you might want to learn more about rhetoric if you’re going to be interpreting texts.

[latent tendon]

u sound narcissistic

[sharp lichen]

It’s fine, they’re still scared by the perfectly fine 100% accurate map in Sky

[hushed steeple]

And that is a bold assumption.
I’m simply trying to state facts and establish credibility.

You don’t even know me.

[somber zealot]

@latent tendon @sharp lichen Stop getting ad hominem.

[hushed steeple]

Well now I’m feeling targeted for existing with personal beliefs and my own ideas.

[sharp lichen]

Dw i’m not mad at Esther, just that we have conflicting opinions, especially on the gameplay vs lore debacle

[hushed steeple]

At least I’m not making fun of you in exaggerated lies about your own opinions.

[latent tendon]

I DIDNT MEAN TO MAKE FUN OF U JUST UR LAST SENTENCE

yk what I'm not gonna discuss about it further

[sharp lichen]

It’s best to chill out for now

[latent tendon]

can we just talk about lore

[sharp lichen]

Be the change

[somber zealot]

<Sigh> So long as it's a friendly thing.
Anyway, just so it's out there, light doesn't for sure move through the fourth dimension. We aren't even sure the fourth spatial dimension exists, although most cosmologists do believe it does. The reason why someone travelling at light speed to Sun will 'observe' light going back to earth at twice the speed is just because of how relativity works.

[latent tendon]

personally the static time, names of the realms seem too intentional to be made up due to lacking technology. I feel like they kinda sabotaged themselves with prarie peaks but idk

[sharp lichen]

Prairie Peaks is somewhat located close to Home in the Sky map, perhaps the distortion effect is somewhat diluted when far out

[latent tendon]

can we really trust the sky map

[somber zealot]

It seems to mostly align with what we actually observe within the game, so I'd say it's all right.

[latent tendon]

the directions r way too off for me to thinks it's 100% accurate. eden isn't to our left side when we reach the colloseum

[sharp lichen]

I think the map is oriented partially by height, such as that areas in higher elevation appear farther “up” in the map.

Valley goes up and down, up and down… so maybe it averages to not much lost

[latent tendon]

also from the 2 embers we know wasteland temple is pretty close to the base of the mountain. much closer than the colloseum

also like vault being on the physical map icks me every time considering it is pretty much imaginary

the map is cute but I wouldnt rlly take it as 100% credible

also like the vault elder area is supposed to at the peak of the mountain right under the castle right? or is the ascension imaginary