lore-discussion-spoilers

[nimble ingot]

real

[sharp lichen]

I do remember the Sky NetEase lore to be extremely different

[orchid jolt]

Exciting? Did, did you read my reply?

[nimble ingot]

Ye. But still think its interesting (that or the last braincell working the nightshift is about to burn out /j)

[orchid jolt]

... what? Isn't it essentially just the cosmetics though? Like for days of rainbow (no rainbow cape)

[nimble ingot]

They got dragonboat event and lunar new year ( I think?)

[orchid jolt]

Fair enough.

[nimble ingot]

Also apparently different candle costs for spirits

[keen shore]

i can’t watch the video rn, but to be absolutely sure, are you all certain this isn’t hacked/modded content?

[wild vector]

It's the official sky channel for the CN playerbase

[sharp lichen]

https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/107rKIxyCXZxFBaJHxO6hiyW_IRuRbS9iwWJjFLefa_I/mobilebasic

There was a lore doc containing the NetEase version. Very similar, although some decisions (such as the Prince being more evil) make it not directly comparable for the international version

@keen shore this was officially released by Sky

[orchid jolt]

Why would they need to make the lore different? The lore differences aren't even shown in game though? Are they?

[wild vector]

CN censorship reasons? other than that idk

[sharp lichen]

Most of the sources are from WeChat messages by the official Sky account

It’s like how developers answer lore questions here and in social media

[orchid jolt]

Wait a second. You understand our lore doc is fanmade, (unless something changed since I was regularly active here) and based off of what we THINK is canon, their's likely is as well, hence the differences might simply be the communities interpreting things differently.

[orchid jolt]

Oh. Have the devs here said things that go against what their devs said?

[nimble ingot]

Other than this side's devs are fine with and hosts the rainbow event and the other does not?

[orchid jolt]

I mean, but more evil? Like, did they choose to actually include a manta blender in game? That would be the opposite of censorship!

[orchid jolt]

They still had it, they just changed it I think. I'm talking about the first (I think) rainbow event at least. The rainbow cape wasn't a rainbow cape and was something else

[earnest briar]

Netease gets baby turtles AND actual King content!? Where can I get some of that?

[nimble ingot]

What!?

[sharp lichen]

1. All jellyfish used to live underwater in the Ancestors age

2. The Sky kingdom has been there for “thousands of years” even by the King’s time.

3. The King ignored the will of the Ancestors

[earnest briar]

When they said more evil I immediately thought of the Prince having the personality of the most mischievous chibis in existence mashed together into one and being an absolute force of chaos. Nobody is safe from getting pranked.

[trim mural]

Quoted from this document:

*"The ancestors who had been guarding the kingdom for a thousand years warned the successive kings that the dark stone should never be used in large quantities, otherwise it would lead to unimaginable disasters.

However, when the prince took office, he lifted the restrictions on the use of the stone, which he believed was a natural and extremely powerful source of energy, and with it, the kingdom would become even stronger."*

There was also mentions of some Shaman?

[orchid jolt]

? What statement by the devs here do those go against?

Edit: also, the prince story sounds exactly the same

[orchid jolt]

? What baby turtles? Are you talking about the shoulder turtle cosmetic? I'd so, that's in our version as well. Just wait for Days of Nature, it should come back then to purchase

[trim mural]

"At this time, the ancestors of the Children of Light realized the danger of the Dark Stone and proposed to oppose the excessive use of the Dark Stone."

Does this mean there were Children of Light during that time too?

[orchid jolt]

The spirits are also known as ancestors

Edit: but there is this theory/idea of the prince basically being a proto-skykid, or skykid version one

[earnest briar]

Netease Sky has actual live moving baby versions of the Days of Nature turtle and it is so, so unfair. Give me the babies.

[orchid jolt]

Huh???? Video. Send now pls.

[earnest briar]

I don’t have a video but someone posted a screenshot of them here once and it was so cute

[nimble ingot]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

deploying sky baby turtle protocol /j

[orchid jolt]

OH WHAT THR FRIEHSHFUIDJSJVD YDHIJDJKSKOGOODOKQZNC NO UXJWJJFJDJEE

I BLAME MEGABIRD

[earnest briar]

OH Bird bless you Raider, you are doing the good work.

[trim mural]

Is Megabird still called Megan btw lol

[nimble ingot]

You can still call them that.

Bird of Light has been found in the art as well.

[orchid jolt]

RESH WAS RIGHT

TAKE DOWN THE EVIL GOD OF LIGHT! MEGABIRD CAN DENY US BABY TURTLES NO MORE!

[earnest briar]

The Babies™️

[orchid jolt]

The orb one?

[nimble ingot]

welp, I am off.
Thanks for the amazing discovery and hope to see the lorchat in one piece tomorrow.

Never change Lore chat 💛

[earnest briar]

We must start a revolution! Bring the good word of the babies to all Sky Kids across the land!

[sharp lichen]

It’s absolutely crazy, although I really wish there were Sky conventions in other countries as well

1. An introduction to the convention, complete with an electronic remix of the main theme

2. A performance of “opening breath” and “the island above the clouds”

3. A rendition of “Eyes of A Child”

4. An intermission where someone does a mime performance with a manta plush

5. A nearly identical rendition of “A Portentous Walk” and “Waltzing in the Rain”, with a performance of 3 Skykid actors

6. “In the Middle of a Dream” rendition

7. A completely original song called “Seeking Light to Meet You”, which sounds like an anime outro (keep in mind I don’t know the lyrics)

8. A rendition of “An Upwards Dance” with a story that seems to be about your Sky friends leaving

9. An original song called “Meet”, which is a soft pop song

10. An original song called “Reverse” that was themed around Vault and had an soft electro-rock vibe

11. A closing song themed around the Season of Passage that decided to say “screw Adam Gubman” and have a pop-rock song instead

[orchid jolt]

The orb one? I made a meme of it a while ago

#sky-memes message

[rigid iron]

I've seen this art before! It's by Chris Lee (iXZhihuiLi on twitter)

[sharp lichen]

What in the ever living heck are those candle prices

[sharp lichen]

@keen shore so apparently the convention is real, but the Elder art is fanart

[rigid iron]

checking the timestamp where it appears, it looks like all of the elder designs they show in that section are from the same artist

[earnest briar]

Oh goodness those are uh…indeed some prices.

[rigid iron]

on a funnier note this shows just how much elder fanart i've seen

[sharp lichen]

These items are cursed

-self recharging cape

-A “super jump” offered by Tsadi’s shield

• A levitating cape

-A fast travel feature locked behind 1000 AC

-A butterfly summoning device

-A repairing system

-A way to literally be faster

Although these rpg-like items are cool, it would destroy speedrunning

[viral bay]

NOOOOOOOO I thought those were the concept-art-kind-of-canon

[vernal mango]

Algún canal en español?

[pastel brook]

We ask everyone to please post only in English on this server, @vernal mango. Unfortunately, moderators and staff aren't able to support all the languages spoken by our global Sky family.

[vernal mango]

Is there any channel in Spanish?

[orchid jolt]

unfortunately not, the moderators would be unable to reliably moderate it.
I think this is likely because of a mixture of them simply not having enough moderators, language barriers making moderation difficult, the moderators already having a tough time with the English channels alone, and more.

Also, why did you ask this question in the lore channel?

[orchid jolt]

oh, they made a King/Prince version of the "mega"-home shrine (no clue what its actually called) concept art, neat

[orchid jolt]

pfff, i just saw their megabird thing, theres a krilled skykid in it lol

[orchid jolt]

wait, or was it a version of this instead?
(from light awaits version of sky, before global launch. just look up light awaits on the sky wiki)

[vocal terrace]

Hey has anyone noticed that there was a mask on the temple entrance of forest? Cuz it looks alot like the elders concept mask .....

[orchid jolt]

oooh, i see now, it wasnt this or the home shrine thing, it was meant to be a temple shrine elder statue thing

[lusty merlin]

Yaya id say that’s the same one, like to think of it as an Easter egg. Though for me I can also play around with the idea that their younger self wore the mask, but that’s more of a head canon for me

[orchid jolt]

yes. that is the mask of the concept forest elder

[orchid jolt]

hopefully, your headcanon isnt that their younger self was essentially the concept version of the elder lol (i say that because, well, here:
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

remember skykids are skyKIDS)

[lusty merlin]

It’s just the design for the mask not the old charater 💀

[orchid jolt]

sorry, meant to write that as joke poking fun at the old version but ended up with me getting mad at it tbh

[lean glade]

so is our purpose just to relieve the dead skykids in eden, or are we performing some greater purpose?

[lusty merlin]

That and helping free the spirits trapped as far as I know

[orchid jolt]

one headcanon ive toyed around with is that each of our skykids are from their own "world"/"universe"/"reality" or something but they were designed to be able to sort of exist simultaneously in different worlds to work with other skykids. hence why we can work together but each need to save the spirts and each need to save the statues. we cant save the residents of the "origin-worlds" of other skykids but can work with those skykids to help them save those residents while they help us help the residents of our world.

This doesnt make much sense to me tbh, but i cant come up with another reason for why each skykid has to save each spirit. i feel like if i tweaked this a little it could actually make total sense but rn, its confusing to me at least. im almost certainly confused because im just overthinking an idea past me had tho

basically, we can help other skykids open doors, or keep their flame alight, but because we aren't really in their world exactly, we cant save the residents of their world.

i dont think this is actually the case btw, just an idea i toyed around with

[lean glade]

kinda makes sense

[livid brook]

aight yall i have a question:the power diamond in the eye of eden gives off a darkness effect, but it also looks like its acting as some sort of plug to also prevent too much darkness from spreading across sky,is it just me :o???

[vocal terrace]

I feel like it's a little more to that but idk

I think it's more like the chaos is so consentrated that it doesn't go to far

[orchid jolt]

the eden beam is light

[vocal terrace]

Because it's still reaches other areas just not to an extent like Eden is

[livid brook]

i mean,the reason i started thinking this is the season of shattering,the eruptions,maybe the eruptions happen because the crystal is weakening from storing all that power

[orchid jolt]

then again, the shard events are odd. perhaps its a situation like it would be extremely destructive if the diamond were to crumble by virtue of the diamond itself getting destroyed rather than from anything the crystal is stopping

Edit: just noticed your message above this one lol

[vocal terrace]

Hmmmm I feel like it's likely, but I also feel like it's the extent of jealousy or hatred of the king spilling out

[livid brook]

nono wait,you see that winged light at the point of no return?when you die?i have a theory that that is the king himself,why,because he made a mistake and he doesn't want to make skykids suffer becaue of his powerhungriness

note:sometimes the eruptions are strong,and the crabs mutate to be too strong for deep calls,what would happen if the crystal disappeared intirely?

[vocal terrace]

Hmmmm, in my opinion as an artist and story maker, it's incredibly unlikely that they would go that route if anything, they would just continue the vuege story

[livid brook]

my opinion as a musician is,well im not too good at this am i?

[vocal terrace]

Ahaha, your theories and opinions are rather valid still as you are the consumer of the story and the game story is still based on interpretation

I'm just putting out my position and view of the story, because I feel it would give a lot more context on what I'm saying

[trim mural]

this theory reminds me of this concept art a bit

[livid brook]

hmmmm interesting

so,something else piqued my interest,all these years of playing this game and i have noticed one thing: nothing ever reaches the Isle of Dawn,i thought it was just because it was the beggining area but then again,even the shards don't reach the Isles,maybe there is a magical barrier, what do you think?

[vocal terrace]

I think lore wise , it's related to the fact that the dawn elder was disfavoured by the king , in that made those large cloud barriers that killed of the life at dawn and possibly stop the shattering pieces from reaching there

[livid brook]

so thats why in the cutscence the isle elders' mask is broken?

[vocal terrace]

Again lore related, it's mostly like from the crystal at Eden that blew off the elders and possibly damaging dawn elder the most (as he would be the closest to the crystal)

[livid brook]

oh yeah! in the shattering memory #5!

[vocal terrace]

A Possible metaphor to how broken dawn elder is at the loss of his child

[livid brook]

also,the vault of knowledge seems more intact than i thought it would,due to it being right next door the the crystal explosion

[vestal pine]

But it is speculated that the upper levels are dreams/projections and not exactly real. In the lower levels of vault, such as the archive and repository there is real damage so maybe vault isnt so intact as we thought it was?

[livid brook]

that explains the gost manta's i guess

[vestal pine]

I love spirit mantas <33 i find it so cool that their memories were saved too and not just the ones of spirits

[trim mural]

If vault really is connected to Eden, the entire structure itself may be very tall.

I remember vela made a drawing some time ago showcasing the layout of Vault

[livid brook]

cool 🙂

here's another spark,the elevator you take to the upper levels is powered by a power diamond,that same power diamond is powered by those vault thingies that saves a creatures'/spirits'memory,so that circles back to the eden crystal,with darkness and chaos that powerful,the kings' memories must be full of remosrse,hatred,rejection,etc.

anyone there?

[sharp lichen]

Skykids still have lots of purposes: restore the world, prevent darkness from spreading, and take care of light creatures.

However, their most prominent goal by far is to just have fun and be kids

[sharp lichen]

I believe they said shard erupts were always planned to be in the game, but they didn’t have the technology to implement it

[sharp lichen]

I think it’s because Isle is too far away from Eden to be affected.

[fallen root]

Hi Lorechat I have theory

Banana/J

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[orchid jolt]

@livid brook And gameplay wise, isle is basically the tutorial level. The heck would a moth think if their first expense was a shard event? Yes, it wouldn't be a red shard, but even a black shard event would dramatically and drastically change the entire feel of the area.

[elder ibex]

i don't remember who mentioned shaman here, but in the netease lore post there's some translations mentioning shaman ancestors

" Chapter 3 RAIN

Restlessness, embarrassment, self-doubt, independence, betrayal

The Forest is filled with rain and mist, making flying and burning difficult. The Descendants of Light need to be careful to protect their heart fire as they explore this vast labyrinth in search of memories, and when summoning the shaman ancestors at the temple, she sacrifices visions to guide them to the wrong exit, misleading them to wander here. Everyone worked together to awaken the ground and send her out of the shrine. Finally the fog cleared and the wise creature answered the call, leading them down the updraft to the mountains. "

it also describes sunset as a priestess ancestor, dusk as a warrior ancestor, and night as an oracle

[elder ibex]

(tagging onto this, the page says that rain/"shaman" is the one who attended the prince in the forest when he found darkstone)

[frigid tinsel]

Moths don’t experience shard events until they complete their first Eden run anyways

[native galleon]

Really? I definitely remember running into some shards as a moth and not knowing what was happening

Eventful day in sanctuary

Maybe they’ve changed it tho?

[sharp lichen]

I mean, i’ve seen completely new moths see shards as early as Prairie. Maybe they should’ve just been inaccessible until you complete Eden

[sharp lichen]

I remember not one, but two new streamers playing Sky for the first time and finding shards in Prairie

[reef fulcrum]

There's some other stuff here...
#lore-discussion-spoilers message
But the last paragraph is really what I think when I consider what you're asking. We're gonna keep going back because it just keeps going on.

[orchid jolt]

fair, but at the same time, there's a huge difference in the feel of isle and prairie. Prairie is filled with people in the social space and Isle is this huge empty desert. Isle has this sense of being alone, but not in a bad way mind you. Heck, there aren't even many Isle spirits in the first place! Its just, empty, a shard event would change that feeling severely. I mean, look at how much different the passage night version of Isle feels, despite it being the same space technically.

Prairie is supposed to be a joyful area and yes, the shards do affect that, but the moths finding shard events in prairie will likely also find many other people around them working together on the shard event.

If Isle is about introducing you to a world once filled with life that is now empty, Prairie is about introducing you to other skykids, and the shard events in prairie don't really change that while ones in Isle would.

[viral bay]

I still wonder where specifically do shards come from?

Are they pieced of the giant diamond broken off, crumbles? Will the diamond ever run out of material to fall onto Sky? Why are some shards weaker (black ones) and some are stronger (red shard)? Do some pieces come from closer to the core, and some are the outside layers of the diamond?

[orchid jolt]

perhaps the darkness that permeates eden can "heal" the diamond when it spews out shards (if they are coming from the diamond itself, which it seems to be doing).

I mean, we see crystals form on two skykid statues (two of the five before pnr), perhaps the darkness there is naturally attracted to light (like opposite magnetic poles maybe, just not with the repel part when its the same poles) and as the darkness coalesces together, it forms new crystals or builds on top of pre-existing crystals if there's light energy (or perhaps like how actual crystals work where you can put a crystal in a solution and it can act as a nucleus where the crystal particles in the solution make a larger crystal around it). And darkstone can seemingly be filled with light energy - power diamonds for example (known to very likely be a refined form of darkstone), perhaps not permanently as they may end up slowly using the light energy themselves but at least for a period of time, and the eden crystal is constantly being filled and overfilled by the eden beam's light. so, perhaps dark particles or whatever is naturally attracted to the eden crystal as it is filled with light, or the eden beam itself and get stuck on the crystal, and then coalesce into new bits of darkstone around the eden crystal thus adding onto it and replacing what was spewed out.

Plus, maybe the eden crystal isn't constantly growing as, in order to attract enough of the dark particles it needs to replace the lost crystals, it needs to have lost parts of itself so there is more light energy available to attract dark particles since there is less of the eden crystal to use the light energy.

[nimble ingot]

This is a bit more like game theory, than lore theory (hear me out)

I noticed the statues for the ancestor memories have detailed models. My gamer's instinct suggests if these can be posed, they can be animated.
Also, I wonder if the devs would consider adding a new enemy type creature in the game with walking statues that wander in a heavily corrupted area.
They don't do much damage, but they do hinder skykids progress. Perhaps blocking the way in a temple/ruin/dungeon.

Then again, that would certainly be weird to have them moving in the game.

Still think that the devs would make a model that can be posed is smart.
Since models like these can be seen in Aurora's Eyes of a Child scene with the petrified bodies.

I do hope the devs would possibly update these models to have a duplicate of the individual spirits in stone form.
That would be a cool detail that makes these statues more immersive.
Seeing most (if not all) of these memory statues are the same. This makes me think about the old skykid statue models getting an update to with unique poses and details (masked and maskless forms).

[fleet cradle]

Does anyone has the link for the concept art pictures of sky?

[leaden field]

You should put that idea in the wishlist

[nimble ingot]

one moment for me to collect some.
A go to would be looking up Tom Zhao.

[fleet cradle]

Thanks :))

[nimble ingot]

Now, Skybot. Please don't nuke these links.
They are for the art of Sky, please.

Tom Zhao - https://www.tomzhao.com/sky1
Most of the art was for Light Awaits, take these with a grain of salt for the current game. However does show what the lore could have been like at the time.

GDC Vault - https://www.gdcvault.com/play/1026903/Art-of-Sky-Children-of
pdf only - https://ubm-twvideo01.s3.amazonaws.com/o1/vault/gdcsummer2020/presentations/Tanabe-Yuichiro-Art of Sky_ Children of the Light.pdf
Good source for interviews in videos online.

Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=584611742214476&set=a.143482226327432
Some of the art here may be seen elsewhere, but still worth looking at. As well as browse at old posts.

(wiki) Twitter - https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/Seven_Days_of_Sky
Seven Days of Sky was a series the devs shared some of their process and concept art of the game. What each realm represented and how real world history and culture influenced the game.

Performance concept art spotlight - https://thatskygame-staging.netlify.app/news/a-spotlight-on-season-of-performance-concept-art

Flight concept art spotlight - https://www.thatskygame.com/news/the-art-of-season-of-flight-and-a-challenge-for-sky-photographers

And more with other amazing artists.

Ash (Concept artist of Sky 🕊️ ) - http://www.ashleycoadart.com/concept

Jose Luis Vaello Betrol - https://vaello.artstation.com/projects/RYxnEE
(Worked on memory reliving mechanic concept as well as the elder meeting scenes) This is where the holy ground water idea may be used in theories here (ex. Orbit is a divine plane. And Wasteland became Unholy land with the polluted water).

Reika - https://www.artstation.com/ryoshino
They did 3D modelling in Sky. A lot of the areas and cosmetics we enjoy are thanks to them and the dev team.

One more artist left (reason for separate post is my worries the name would trigger the bot... again...)

Purple almonds / Tiffany Hayashi
She did an internship at TGC with making mock ups and early art for Sky.
Again, these may be far from the current look and style of the game. However, I still enjoy seeing and appreciating the art. It shows where they were heading with the lore, as well as became part of the journey to how sky looks today.

https://purplealmonds.tumblr.com/post/678726905570213888/early-character-concept-work-for-sky-children-of
https://purplealmonds.tumblr.com/post/678640084984184832/finally-got-around-to-getting-permission-to-share
https://purplealmonds.tumblr.com/post/679179900157116416/surprise-ive-got-one-more-batch-of-sky
https://purplealmonds.tumblr.com/post/679089305759645697/poster-mockups-for-sky-children-of-the-light-i
https://purplealmonds.tumblr.com/post/678998700042928128/environment-concepts-for-sky-children-of-the
https://purplealmonds.tumblr.com/post/678908121438175232/an-assortment-of-environment-concepts-for-sky
https://purplealmonds.tumblr.com/post/678817524800012288/series-of-color-studies-for-sky-children-of-the

(Ah Thank goodness! Thank you, whoever it was that fixed the bot. It was frustrating talking about this artist the last time I tried sharing their art here.)

[nimble ingot]

Needless to say, I like the concept art of Sky, lol

[fleet cradle]

Me too it’s just wonderful

[trim mural]

Have you seen the Abyss concept art? We were robbed

[nimble ingot]

Good point

(I did not claim to have all of the links, sadly)

Abyss concept art spotlight
https://sky-capers.tumblr.com/post/682656677634392064/official-concept-art-for-the-season-of-abyss
https://www.thatskygame.com/news/the-art-behind-season-of-abyss

May as well toss in this gem. Spoilers ahead (It's official, but still)
https://m.facebook.com/thatskygame/photos/you-are-all-amayzingwe-have-accomplished-the-goal-of-200k-wishlists-on-steam-and/664731872366185/

[orchid jolt]

So, an enemy made to reference this concept art?

(Remembered it but didn't have it, thx for posting some concept art links, found it in the Jose one)

[marble tide]

Is there a doc or smth to recap the basic lore of this game like the difference between our characters and ancestors

[orchid jolt]

There is one, but I can't find it right now

[fleet cradle]

Omg is there a list of EVERY season concept art?

[orchid jolt]

Got it. It also contains theories and unconfirmed things if I remember correctly (been a while since I've read it) and there isn't one for just basic lore I think. But you should be able to get a basic idea of the lore from it I think

https://docs.google.com/document/d/10ZWJRGiJSrIXgDvJ4pST61moZbVB_hBExUjOaF-pmOE/edit?usp=drivesdk

[leaden field]

Anyone wanna share their most controversial/far stretching theories about sky lore? Im curious about what people think

[keen shore]

(It’s not my theory but my friend who made it isn’t in this channel and I think I believe it) — ancestors (but maybe not elders) migrated to the Sky realms from all over their previous world after a massive flood covered the lands and forced them to flee

[orchid jolt]

I made a joke theory about skybot being the ||dev-caped|| skykid that lets us into the secret area during doing events, and the ||dev-caped skykid|| (and thus skybot) being the concept art Prince (not petit prince). But it's not really a theory as it was made to be a bad joke

[keen shore]

There’s a lot of evidence behind it but just saying it by itself makes it sound strange

[nimble ingot]

as far as I have found and linked. There may be more

[nimble ingot]

I'd rather not share, lol.
Put like this, the game has death, ghosts and a war.
Sky Lore can get surprisingly dark when you think about it long enough.

[sharp lichen]

I think that there were migrations, but they were from the Home island

[sharp lichen]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

[orchid jolt]

Speaking of things referencing concept art, does anyone else feel like the red eyes in the litter forest passage trial may have partially been made to reference the whole silhouettes and ghostly figures thing from the forest concept art?

[keen shore]

Mine isn’t like “ancestors fell at one place and migrated to Sky from there” it’s more like “the world was much larger and filled with more places and cultures and cities and people and islands and maybe even continents that are now ruins beneath the ocean”

[trim mural]

Runaway Wayfarer implies this as well, with them coming off of a boat and all; there's also an abundance of water during the Aurora concert that I've noticed (especially in Valley considering it's elevation)

speaking of which, on day 2 of writing a theory ive had about this flood too but im not sure where to even put it lol

[keen shore]

Isle has a pretty good amount of ancestors implied to have come from somewhere else; you got rejecting voyager and rejecting wayfarer, and candlemaker and stargazer’s old names before their memories and titles got updated (pointing pilgrim and ushering migrant iirc)
it’s one of many reasons I’m stsrting to believe that

[fleet cradle]

If it’s not a bother, can I have the link of the ones you’ve found?

[nimble ingot]

correct with the old names.

[nimble ingot]

The above links I have posted were 95% of my concept art sources.

The few others were in the lorechat itself.
Namely screenshots of the game, videos, obscure concept art that I dont know where they were from (otherwise from here).

[sharp lichen]

I get that, but it would be cool for the Ancestors and the Skykids to have fallen from the same place

Also, if the flooding theory is true, it would mean Homespace used to be a lot bigger

[keen shore]

My flooding theory doesn’t involve homespace at all

[orchid jolt]

Not sure if this is exactly far reaching (or controversial), but I prefer thinking that the glowey boi we see at the end of Eden is us rather than it being the prince of sky (not petit prince).

Basically, even when our skykids become sealed away in stone, we still look to help something, we try to help someone, anyone, but we can't reach anyone to help them, and so we help the one person we can reach, ourselves. We see ourselves seemingly resigned to this fate, and we don't realize that it is us. We just see someone in need of comforting, and so we limp forwards, help our new friend up, and comfort them with a hug. Throughout our adventure in the sky kingdom, we've always been working to help someone else, be it spirits, other skykids, or creatures, but what is the one thing we never really helped? Ourselves. We simply weren't made to realize we needed to be comforted and never learned it either. That's why we ended up charging into the storm and tearing light from our very bodies to just give the others even a little chance at making it through. We still try to help others when we ourselves are the ones in need, when we ourselves are now the statues that need light. We have to literally see ourselves as a separate individual to even realize we needed comforting, and perhaps even then we don't fully realize this, thinking it was someone else.

This would explain why the glowey boi is always the same size as us, would mean we still have the prince to save (again, not the petit prince) partially giving our skykids a reason to keep heading to eden, and also just sounds nice to me lol.

We learned to care for the world, we learned to care for the spirits, we learned to care for the elders, we learned to care for the creatures, we learned to care for other skykids, and finally we learned to care for ourselves as well.

I know it's likely the sky prince (not petit prince) tho

[timber crown]

So, are those crystals everywhere in prairie peaks the ones used to make the ones we see everywhere activating stuff like doors? Like, unrefined?

[keen shore]

Yes!

[orchid jolt]

Likely those are another form of dark stone, bringing us to an minimum three forms (Eden red dark stone, power diamonds, and prairie peaks type)

[keen shore]

Yes, another form — unrefined :3

[trim mural]

Valley Ancestors find out about the large amount of deposits in Prairie Peaks then turns it into a Wasteland 2.0 /j

[sharp lichen]

I mean, an island surrounded by water that Ancestors still visit from time to time and is directly south of where Running Wayfarer landed in Isle seems to, at the very least, be affected in some way by flooding

It’s not like home is completely irrelevant to the lore

[orchid jolt]

I mean those are definitely dark stone, just not sure if they would be considered the unrefined type or if they are sort of naturally partially refined. Idk if the Eden red ones (not the giant power diamonds) would be considered the unrefined type but I'm thinking they might be

[keen shore]

Those are split off shards from the (refined and then corrupted and shattered) diamond

[sharp lichen]

New seasons only come because the seasonal guide waits for the Skykids to progress as a community, and only then do they reveal the seasonal area

[sharp lichen]

We also see these crystals being mined in the All Around is Stone part of the Aurora concert

[orchid jolt]

Or perhaps the truly unrefined type are the blue crystals we see on two of the five skykid statues before pnr (they are quite different from the prairie peaks crystals)

[trim mural]

This looks a lot like the homespace, it's from the Isle Temple door

[orchid jolt]

The ones in prairie peaks look far more ball-like than these

(Screenshots from this video: https://youtu.be/lzUg5ffOyOo )

[sharp lichen]

I mean, they’re the same crystal, just in different quantities, right?

[orchid jolt]

No? Not necessarily. There's a difference in the structure of the crystals, prairie peaks make more ball-like crystal formations. Different types of crystals can result from.

Screenshot from https://nature.berkeley.edu/classes/eps2/wisc/Lect4.html#

[orchid jolt]

Different types of crystals can be made of the same stuff

[orchid jolt]

And I didn't say anything about the quantity, I was talking about the shape of the crystals. Prairie peaks are more ball-like (ignoring the giant one as that seems to not actually be a singular crystal but rather a cluster of them)

[viral bay]

OMG there's the same one above the Eden door to the second area!!
No wonder it looked familiar

Things have gone full circle

[orchid jolt]

(hope I didn't sound rude or mad)

Edit: accidentally put two "didn't"s instead of one. I've removed the second one

[viral bay]

The megabird after seeing how the King, as the first skykid, evolved, became too powerful and caused the doom of Sky itself (even if his intention was to save it), revised its blueprint of skykids. It then created us, a weak species that unites the darkness (a hollow shell made out of darkstone itself) and the light (candle core + able to harbor large amount light without becoming corrupted).

We see darkstone crystals growing out of us when we're in the "raw", "brute" form, when we're all out of light and dying.

But the most important quality of this new species of skykids may be the ability of working together. Instead of one extremly strong individual, many weak individuals will go further as a species and direct each other to the right path.

With the mission of restoring the light cycle of Sky, we prevent the spread of darkness, free the lost ancestors' soul, and most important of all, re-submerge all the light the King has taken from Sky without returning it, aka winged lights, into the cycle again.

This also means to free him as well, as all the winged lights are pieces of himself.

[cinder crest]

Made me think of this old piece of concept art

[vestal pine]

According to an old concept art, human souls (our world) are connected to the sky world. for spirits, light creatures, and skids. In my interpretation of the concept art, when a human is born and is given an empty soul, it lives its own life in our world and is filled with memories, but only partially. Once the human dies, the soul rises into the sky world and lives out its life of a sky creature of some sort (elder, skid, light creature, spirit) and by the end of that life the soul is finally filled with enough memories to return to megabird. The memories are then removed and the soul returns to earth as an empty soul again.

This is all clearly shown in the concept but what im about to say is solely my thoughts about it. Where the memories of the souls go is to megabird, they take the information of that memory and help whatever species evolve to better suit its changing environment. Since the fall of the kingdom, elders, spirits, and light creatures are unable to ascend and complete that life cycle because the site for ascension— eden is overcome with darkness. (And darkness in other places in the kingdom make it difficult to escape from the realm itself) now that Megabird isn’t receiving new information (or at least, significantly less than before) about the state of their worlds, evolution cannot continue and all life is stuck in the same place, unable to move foward.

As a last resort, sky children are made to fix the blockage in the earth—>sky—>megabird life cycle and revive the dormant world. Long story short, skids are pipe cleaners /j🎺🎺

I figured this might be controversial because i haven’t seen many people connect the sky and human world in theories? People often discuss how the sky world came to be but i wondered what the damage to the sky kingdom might mean on a larger scale in terms of ascension and rebirth.

[orchid jolt]

Just realized, should I ping TryingBridge254 so they can see the conversation? I'm asking since they were the ones who originally asked about the prairie peaks crystals

Edit: Accidentally said Salem instead of TryingBridge254. Fixed it now

[timber crown]

I was off distracted by my short attention span bit I just read it all. Interesting stuff, good to know. And now, I sleep

[unique sonnet]

Hoi. So. Uh. I finished Abyss Quests….. what the heckin honkin is that massive krill thing????

[viral bay]

Its name is unknown but many people call it the Leviathan and it is speculated that it came from an accumulation of the byproducts from the mantas who were caught in the diamond production.

[unique sonnet]

Diamond production <.< ?

[viral bay]

Here are some murals related to the lore.

[viral bay]

Sky citizens in the past used to mine a mineral called darkstone (though the name is unconfirmed), able to absorb light and convert it into energy. They would refine the stone into diamonds, the things you light up to open doors, travel by boat, go on Vault elevator, etc.

Many light creatures were used as the source of energy for the stones: butterfly, mantas, fishes. Basically all the animals that you freed during one of Abyss quests.

[unique sonnet]

Well. I was already crying when cannoneer got hurt…. Now I’m actually crying. Why we hurt the bebes?!

[viral bay]

There is a lot of lore and history to unpack here but season of moments is the first time we get to see the unrefined form of darkstone! All those clusters peaking out and the giant crystal where the Jolly geographer is are darkstone.

[viral bay]

There's also hella dark concept arts of abyss btw. #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[sharp lichen]

This is only the beginning

[orchid jolt]

Wait till you learn about the blender

[viral bay]

Wdym-

[nimble ingot]

They are referring to an old theory that came up in the concept art.

Essentially, the theory went about how the ancestors refined the darkstone. Since the raw version is not as potent, nor the same shape.
Therefore, it has lead to the forest temple being the place where these diamonds were forged.
The shocking part would be how the darkstone become more powerful/potent in this process. This image shows the ancestors pouring jars of light in the top, and the diamonds are forged below. The 'waste' gets taken away.

We know these jars can hold butterflies.
Also, since the temple releases caged mantas, there may be a possibility that mantas could have been used in this process dubbed as the Blender.

[unique sonnet]

Ahh nooooooo that’s so mean!

Btw. Where are you getting these images? Are they beta or just from older snapshots?

[nimble ingot]

I got this image from Tom Zhao's website. They did concept art for the game back when it was in early development.
Ergo, this may be taken with a grain of salt given it is more aligned to how the lore was written for Light Awaits, before some parts of the game changed when it was released as Sky: Children of the Light.

One other thing to keep in mind is the door on the Forest Temple does show ancestors pouring light from jars from the top of the Temple.
Which is either light orbs the ancestors have captured (based on Laughing spirit's memory), or butterflies (based on Ayin- Day Elder's cut scene).

I have posted a lot of links to the concept art of Sky by multiple artists and sources, if you like to check it out.

[viral bay]

Ohhh that concept art! I always thought that Forest only served as the mining and the design was to crush the darkstone into the diamond shape, basically to create diamonds devoid of light.

And then wasteland would be in charge of adding the light component into the diamonds.

[nimble ingot]

Note on Beta.

Any content in the Beta that has not been release to the live game yet, is off limits in this channel.
Any content that has been scrapped in the past (even in beta), can be discussed as it is presumably scrapped content and not spoilers to an upcoming update (unless specified as otherwise)

[unique sonnet]

Thank you! I’m still newish to the community and I’m still trying to figure out things so I’d love to read more

[viral bay]

Check the pinned messages for some resources!

[nimble ingot]

Forest's theme includes mining and lumber (mostly lumber and forging).

Wasteland is similar in that regard, though I imagine the difference is the region is desert like.
Perhaps the Wasteland was an oasis. A paradise remeniscent to the holy land/garden of eden. Which the ancestors possibly exploited in a similar way (e.i. mining or dredging).

[nimble ingot]

You are ok

Welcome to the Lorechat

[willow pumice]

Hello, I’ve started to write the lore of sky as a story, i’ve finished part 1 and 2,

https://www.reddit.com/r/SkyGame/comments/15h4jjr/sky_lore_explained_in_depth_part_1/

https://www.reddit.com/r/SkyGame/comments/15mclfe/sky_lore_explained_in_depth_part_2/

[sharp lichen]

AO3 is your best friend as well

[compact shale]

May I dm you?

[willow pumice]

Yes

[sharp lichen]

I will be interesting in seeing how this lines up with the Animation Project when it comes out

But I still love it

[sharp lichen]

After all, we do see the child and Ushering Stargazer in some parts of the animation project

[lyric imp]

Sorry for going so far back, but notice how the bars at the barricade wall thingy are destroyed, while the ones at the temple entrance are not. The switch at the entrance and temple interior are intact, suggesting the temple side defended itself successfully, but after losing lots of ground and after most of wasteland was essentially destroyed

[trim mural]

I'm not sure who I read it from, but someone did theorize that the black sludge in Wasteland could've been the leftover remains/byproduct of the Light Creatures and that's just really dark

[nimble ingot]

To be fair. I was not the first, nor sadly last person on here who would come across that theory.

This could go to users who stuck around in lorechat long enough to see the dark side of the lore.

[hushed steeple]

Like the furry smiling sky worms!!!

With realistic human teeth!!!

[native galleon]

oops that might have been me

i like the dark theories idk

[hushed steeple]

Gimme a minute. It’s way worse.

[nimble ingot]

Reika's krill memes shall live on.

[hushed steeple]

This majestic creature right here!!!!!

[nimble ingot]

oh, that ghibli esque creature.

[hushed steeple]

Look at that friendly smile!!!

I want to live here!
What do you think this concept art is for?

[nimble ingot]

New season teaser!

[hushed steeple]

It does have six spirits.

[nimble ingot]

Look, five lights.
A friendly Owl skykid and I were talking about them.

They worked out there could be 4 new season spirits, and a guide based on the 5 lights here.

[native galleon]

Six spirits? In this economy? /j

[nimble ingot]

ye, I miss seeing 6 spirits. /gen

[hushed steeple]

Sixth one.

What if it was a concept for prophecy? That or it was for sanctuary or moments.

Or maybe it was an enchantment one?

[nimble ingot]

Oh. did a bit of photoshop trickery and may have found something...

Keep in mind, this is concept art, and may change in the future game.
But this sneaky detail in the mist make me think this area could be just before the upcoming Aviary!

[nimble ingot]

what, this art?
Nah, this is teaser art TGC is treating us lore obsessed goblins to chew on till they drop more teasers for the new season.

[hushed steeple]

OH MY!!!! Two things, light awaits concept art or project aviary concept art!

Have we checked what they said about the concept art on Twitter?

[nimble ingot]

May as well drop the other 2 concept art TGC has generaciously given to us.

This is because they hit 200k wishlists for the game on Steam
There would be a 4th and final one next week on Facebook

[hushed steeple]

I know

GAASAAAAAASSSSSSSSPPPPPPPPPPPPPPJIGUFYDTSTS TS VIBIHOJOHKVHFYDYDYFIGIHOGOGJGJVJ

THE MAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CHEEEEEKYYYYYY

[granite elk]

1. i feel like the devs should add a sequence of eden or a secret passageway in home that tells us why the darkness attacked the light, or if the wasteland was potentiallly a sacred garden that was taken over after the darkness attacked. potentially there might be a physical elder that can explain the conflict between light and dark as well as the preservation of memories and spirits. 2. i have many questions about the realms. If the realms were the homes of the sky people or the preservation of memories, what happened to wasteland to make it such a dark inflicted area? We know from the spirits that this happened before the light fell, so it coud have possibly been the start of falling light and the build up to eden

[nimble ingot]

Agreed

Sky Bad Ending - DED
Sky Lore Ending - Trapped in a lore cave and cursed to never return to the land of the living until you can complete a 10 question long answer essay exam. /j

[hushed steeple]

Each question requires you to answer like 10 more questions just to solve it!

[trim mural]

What is this abomination

[hushed steeple]

Wasteland is the way it is due to pollution and a war. More so the pollution part. Also, it seems wasteland might’ve been more of a plains area(like Oklahoma) according to the animation project teaser. Some theorize it might’ve been a marsh too.

[trim mural]

Unfortunately they did say that the concept art they're showing isn't necessarily going to be coming to live, but I only hope so. That symbol looks like the Prophecy logo though

edit: specifically in their caption they did say that ^

[hushed steeple]

God. . .

[granite elk]

i feel like marsh might make a little more sense due to the places like abyss and wasteland in general but it could be for other reasons

[hushed steeple]

Abyss is the way it is due to mass flooding, this also affected the rest of the kingdom.
Isle was likely bigger and more connected to other realms in the past.

[nimble ingot]

#general-sky-discussion message

Reika's cursed Krill.

[orchid jolt]

Personally I really like this concept krill art, though I recognize that it would be next to impossible for it to actually be made and modelled in 3D and then rigged as well before even being put into sky and making all the code work with it

[granite elk]

that makes sense(sorry if idk a lot of the lore i havent played in a while) isle seemse a tiny bit overlooked and i also think it might connect with the deeper lore a lot

[trim mural]

I actually work in Blender and I've been trying to recreate some concept from here, this is really great!

[hushed steeple]

For the mobile game that sky is? Yeah, not great on phones. For a computer or console game though, definitely possible!

[hushed steeple]

Well….
Actually, it could possibly work with a phone. Hmmmmmmm.
Definitely not a Nokia though.

[hushed steeple]

There actually seems to be a land mass in the distant to the back left of isle. I can try finding a picture if you like!

[nimble ingot]

They say that the concept art is early versions of the area and spirits.

This is to avoid folks complaining that the art did not match the final result. Which happens because the concept of concept art is to get the concept across.
They will make changes if something did not look right in the game, or feel like something would look better when they change something.

A good example would be (in my opinion) the abyss season ship.
There was a nicer looking version that was bigger and more detailed.
Compared to the final result, we missed out on having a bigger ship that had a crow's nest, a net hanging off the side, a ship's wheel and an actual upper deck.

[soft timber]

We being blessed with lore and concept art???

[granite elk]

yes ive seen it before 🤔 hopefully there might be an explanation

[trim mural]

Oooh okay. That explains a lot actually thanks. If this is a new teaser for a new Season then AAAAA

[hushed steeple]

For those who haven’t seen the mysterious distant land mass in Isle, here!

[sharp lichen]

I think Sky’s environmental storytelling works better than narrators. After all, in the beginning, we see industrial ruins, implying that it was taken over by waste

[hushed steeple]

It works well, but you have to have the comprehension, understanding, metaphorical connections, differentiation, etc. for it.

Ok, I gotta go to a therapy appointment.

[median onyx]

Sky is a game you figure out your self, the wasteland was far from a sacred garden and more likely to be an abandoned major factory due to the civil war, it became a battle ground for two factions

We have proof of this since we see in the aurora concert that two factions were fighting, also there are lots of pipes that expels dark water, these factory’s probably made darkness as a byproduct of extraction light

Also around the map we see two different types of shields showing two different factions the ☀️ and the diamond faction which I assume is the factory people

[hushed steeple]

Sky is an onion.
Most if not all aspects of it require more than a simple explanation regarding one time period and/or theme.

[median onyx]

I like how sky is a game where it’s story isn’t told to you verbally but told to you in its environment and story, the spirits don’t tell you anything but you can guess what they are doing or what happened

Skys story is actually pretty big once you realise it tbh

[nimble ingot]

Yes, Sky is like an onion 🙂
It has layers and the more you cut into them, the more you want to cry

[median onyx]

Craziest spirit i saw was the one that straight up just died in the wasteland 💀

[earnest briar]

Can we use Sky to make onion rings though? I want onion rings.

[nimble ingot]

ye, with calamari on the side and some baked potato too. 😋

[median onyx]

Nah one thing tho is the darkness was defo self inflicted by the people of sky, skys story oddly relates to irl climate change and just irl human history

[granite elk]

i completely agree! its good to have the clues around but it would just be nice to have maybe a few more details to expand some lore knowledge

[granite elk]

real asl

[earnest briar]

Honk yeahhhhhhhhhhhhh, we're eating good tonight!

[hushed steeple]

Why should I read American Sign Language?

[granite elk]

I MEANT REAL AS LORD 😭

[hushed steeple]

Still no idea what that is.

[hushed steeple]

I want chips.

[elder ibex]

i have a big ol question

[nimble ingot]

ye?

[elder ibex]

this netease lore is semi reliable for our sky lore, yes?

[nimble ingot]

Personally, not really.

Netease is a different version of the game that may deviate from the lore.
I'd take a look out of interest or perspective. Though would keep in mind the folks working on that version of the game may change certain parts to better suit the region the game is exclusive to. It is a localised adaption for players who may not be able to play the international version of Sky (the main version).

[sharp lichen]

They use similar sources, but some additional things as well. It can’t be discussed here, since this server is only about the international version

[nimble ingot]

agreed.

[elder ibex]

of course ye! i just meant as far as the rule of "if the peg fits the hole" goes

[hushed steeple]

The itsy bitsy Lore skid went up the Eden mount.
Saw horrific truths and then quickly went back down.

[nimble ingot]

Sky lore is a hunk of swiss cheese.

It can be made into a wonderful fondue of fanon and speculation.
But sadly, we may never know what the full and true canon lore, unless TGC gives us info that says otherwise (which may be never as far as I understand the game).

welp, I was worried that would happen.

I wont repost it because Bot would likely shoot down that parody of a nursery rhyme

[hushed steeple]

In came a bobbit worm and several furries too,
And the itsy bitsy lore skid was stuck on mount eden.

[granite elk]

its a sad life trying to unbox the lore

[hushed steeple]

Solution: Do lots of world building in your free time. And do lots of research on various different things.

You think the blue man group is in Sky?

[median onyx]

The darkness was self caused it’s probably a naturally phenomenon in réponse to the light, the people of sky started their Industrial Revolution( how I like to call it) and started draining creatures of light causing darkness to be a byproduct. The wasteland being the biggest factory I think was probably the cause of major dispute

This all started as a result of discovering dark stone and mass mining it like we see in the hidden forest in one season I think ( I think it was the aurora concert nvm)

Dark stone is the stone that you see in puzzles when you give it candle light it opens doors, dark stone produces energy when given light

[granite elk]

ahhh yes light must be a very powerful source as for example it could be the reason on how the memories are preserved but most likely due to the overproduction of darkness from beings created krill and creatures/substances that drained light

[hushed steeple]

Dark and light used to live in harmony. They fed into each other. Natural disaster provides opportunities for smaller creatures. Predator eats prey and prey defends.
Then, the people of sky started industrializing and being reckless. They polluted the environment, trapped creatures for their own entertainment and killed them for their own gain. The light was weakened and the darkness, seemingly mindless in nature, took over the empty space made by the ancestors.

[granite elk]

most likely disbalancing the environment and causing conflict like in wasteland

[median onyx]

This caused a dispute in the civilisation between draining creatures and not draining them which in turn lead to causing a civil war

[trim mural]

It's kinda of ironic that Valley did keep Mantas as companions (e.g. using them in races, etc.) but then captured them and presumably drained them of a light. I'm sure there were some in Valley who opposed this idea too, but who knows

[granite elk]

there is also proof of darkness in the isle of dawn

[median onyx]

The valley didn’t drain them they just used them as creatures for racing the people who did drain them

Were the people in the treasure reef in the wasteland, the treasure reef was originally a manta hatchery but later turned into a manta draining facility

But the valley did capture mantas when they were on their migration roots so they are still just as bad

[trim mural]

Oooh, from the concert I've seen it as them capturing the Mantas to use them for races then trading/supplying with Wasteland, (a bit like how Prairie shipped butterflies jars to Forest) to produce more darkstone

[hushed steeple]

Valley and wasteland used to be one realm in Sky’s past. It was known as Golden Valley.

[trim mural]

One of my friends said during Warrior "free lil homie they ain't done nothing wrong"

[granite elk]

i think the civil war most likely had the darkness winning as in the start it says the light has fallen. Making the people of sky into spirits but the remaining light could have been used to create the player who has to explore the memories and find out what happened to reforge the balance. Eden couldve been a tool used from the darkness to somehow return the light ifyk what i mean

[hushed steeple]

I said mattack and manarchy!!!

[median onyx]

I don’t think the darkness directly had anything to do with the downfall of the civilisation apart from Eden, it was the cause of dispute but it didn’t directly impact the people apart from Eden

[hushed steeple]

Sky kids come from stars. And the Eden diamond was seemingly made by The King. It’s original purpose is unkown.

[trim mural]

I mean the battle did take place outside of Wasteland's Temple, either one of the sides got pushed back so drastically or they just chose to fight there, probably the latter

edit: this is just me piggybacking off of salem's lore blog on tunblr

[median onyx]

Well one thing we see is that there are no spirits near the beginning of Eden or even along the path, there is absolutely no record of anyone migrating to Eden to die

We know that Eden is the place everything dies so they can return to light and be reborn but there is no proof of this migration probably meaning the spirits were already dead when they were migrating

[granite elk]

ahhh true downfall couldve been mini disputes over light as wwell but well have to see (and i havent played sky in some time so im missing on lore so correct me if im wrong )

[median onyx]

The major dispute was probably “if we drain all this light and it’s not being recycled back into the system then what’s gonna happen to Eden” that would of been my thought

[sharp lichen]

I mean, look how inhospitable it is to Skykids, I doubt even the corpses of spirits could survive

[granite elk]

maybe the eden diamond was made into a renovation of stars to make the light because when the sky kids finally have all their light taken they rebirth stronger and stronger but that is just a first throught

[median onyx]

The sky kids are probably a result of darkness taking over and is a counter measure (we don’t know how intelligent the mega bird is so idek if this is true 💀)

[hushed steeple]

The downfall of Sky is basically what the downfall of humanity could’ve been in the past(pollution and disagreement) and what it could be in the future(same thing as before but with climate change now)

[granite elk]

maybe to restore the balance of darkness and light but first they need to figure out what exactly happened

[median onyx]

I doubt that, they probably already know what to do, I mean the player instinctively destroys darkness, when you go to Eden you instinctively give light to the statues (well I just knew that for some reason my first time)

[granite elk]

its definentley going to be a wide range of what exactly happened to the sky civilization as well as the eden star🤔

[median onyx]

We learn stuff from spirits but the spirits never teach us what our job is we just sort of know it’s to restore light, aren’t we like told at the beginning of the game to restore light

[trim mural]

megabird should've given us a pamphlet or a PSA on what to do /j

[median onyx]

Mega bird should do the job itself

[granite elk]

true true they are told that but there may be many clues to other parts of what happened like the large land mass next to the back of isle of dawn

[median onyx]

But I think sky kids just instinctively know what to do I mean creatures of light instinctively know that you must migrate to Eden to die so you can be reborn

[median onyx]

What about that large land mass?

[granite elk]

a player told me that near the back left of the iod there is a large land mass. Idk if thats just background but maybe there might be an importance about it soon🤔 I feel like isle of dawn may be a bit overlooked and may connect to other parts of the lore.

[median onyx]

Let me check rq

This ? @granite elk

[granite elk]

i think that i havent seen for myself but thats what some1 else told me

[nimble ingot]

fun fact. Skykids can see further from the side of their vision than head on.

this has less to do with the skykids' vision lorewise. But more likely a gaming thing. Since this can be the case in some games for some reason.

[trim mural]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

Runaway Wayfarer is definitely coming from somewhere else beyond Isle, there's also this weird part in the Nintendo Switch trailer where there are spirits traveling to Isle of Dawn.

It could be an artistic thing but the transition of them going through this tunnel then suddenly appearing in Isle is weird. Most of the aforementioned screenshots could've been before it was flooded over? I'm not entirely sure...

Trailer: https://youtu.be/aBQRCHusYyU

[hushed steeple]

You talkin bout me?

[granite elk]

id remember but i think yes

[hushed steeple]

I think yes

[granite elk]

that is very interesting. perhaps in future updates we might be able to get more info about isle of dawn before flooding as well as the pasts of other realms. The spirits going to isle might have an indication on any lore or clues since isle of dawn is speculated to be very important but well see

[hushed steeple]

I think the transitions between scenes skip a lot of travel.

[granite elk]

is the 3rd picture wasteand or iod before flooding?

[trim mural]

Yeah basically went from night to day*

[median onyx]

Fun fact:

Your candle is actually kinda like your heart and when you take it out the yellow circle on your chest disappears and you pull it out, when you put it away you actually push it into your chest

[hushed steeple]

We don’t see that sort of geography in game.

[granite elk]

so i have 87 hearts cats fear me

[hushed steeple]

It’s definitely before flooding.

[sharp lichen]

It’s said (or at least implied) in game that our destiny is to save the Skykids at Eden

[sharp lichen]

My theory is that the Home island is just one island in a large chain, and the area in home was a lot bigger but got flooded. That’s also where Running Wayfarer came from

[granite elk]

i think the season of remembrance is linked to the civil war. some people caught in the war had no place but to try and escape the wasteland area leading to the vault of knowledge. As of proof of darkness(crabs) they most likely had to start a refugee camp after going through the war, like the Wounded Warrior and the Pleading Child. just a thought tho

[spiral vault]

Did I?

[uncut pond]

Depending on how you see things, Sky's story is kinda like the myth of Sisyphus except the punishment of having to roll a boulder up a hill for eternity goes to a bunch of children instead of the king

[granite elk]

reborn over and over again 😭

[sharp lichen]

I don’t think the Skykids are subject to any form of torment or punishment, eternal youth is one of the best things you could ask for

[keen shore]

I don’t think so, growing old is beautiful — but that’s beyond the original topic, and I don’t think it’s what Leon meant

[sharp lichen]

Skykids are not forced to metaphorically roll a boulder up a hill, they’re trying to build a new society over the ruins of the old

[viral bay]

I think skykids whole purpose is to restore the Light cycle and prevent the spread of darkness (both literally and metaphorically), though we're also granted free will and we're not forced to enter Eden if we don't want to.

[viral bay]

A small detail of valley that i noticed is these stones in the room right before you enter the races. Seeing how they kinda represent tombs of dead ancestors, it would be safe to assume that this is a hall of fame of the legendary racers in the past.

[still portal]

When you stay close to the dark stones they're glowing 👀👀👀

[native galleon]

they have these in the temple too! it’s a really nice detail 💕💕

[hushed steeple]

@hushed steeple

[inland cliff]

Who would cold ping themselves ?

[sharp lichen]

@sharp lichen

[viral bay]

Adding to my list of appearances of the megabird in game:

1. Entrance prairie temple.
2. Flight symbol.
3. Eden entrance.

[hushed steeple]

Oh my light, I just remembered that I had a horrible dream where they changed the light from being kinda like a bird, to resembling more of a woman.
I REALLY REALLY HATED IT!!!!!!!!

[viral bay]

I didn't want to count the swirlings on the ark and the Eden mural cuz they just look like light coming from glowy stuffs.

Let me know if there's anything more that looks like the megabird, i wanna document it all

[hushed steeple]

The Eden elder and Eden spirits got lost at orbit

[halcyon wren]

I think the mural on the Ark looks just like these depictions from orbit & end credits

[viral bay]

Can you show me a photo illustrating your point? Maybe i looked at it at the wrong angle.

[nimble ingot]

This gave me an interesting thought.

In Light Awaits, the Home we know was the Aviary.
A hub realm skykids could meet each other and access different realms. See it as a public lobby.
During the time when Children of the Light was released to Android, the game changed and with it the lore; and Home has been the hub world since. Which is still somewhat public since we do see the occasional skykid stranger appear there. Although it is much smaller and partly feels private.

The devs mentioned in past interviews the reason why they went this route is to streamline the progression of new players, letting them go to the other realms sooner than exploring Aviary. This also affected the level progress of Dawn (which in my opinion is sad when you look at how much the realm changed. Current Dawn is hardly a third of the content the old one had as far as I have seen in old playthroughs).

My thought is what if Aviary would be connected to Home directly?

Pardon the thought train taking a detour for a bit.

I wonder if Aviary would be connected to Home rather than just be in one of the realms.
Would it be a hub realm again? Would Home still be a hub realm?
Would Home become a private space you and your friends can visit? And if private, would you be able to customise your version of Home island that friends can visit?
So many new questions, Ah!

[nimble ingot]

credit: Bricky
source of this image: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

Top left is a stream of lights that resemble the Megabird in Orbit and end credits.

[umbral urchin]

If rebirth is a thing with Eden, do skids still have birthdays?

[median onyx]

Yes?? Your sky kids birthday is when you first joined sky and every time you are reborn your birthday resets to the day, because sky kids do Eden so much you never really celebrate your birthday

But I would have to say that probably the first time you played sky was the first time your skid came into birth and you did your first reincarnation at your first Eden

[grim horizon]

Guys i have a stupid headcanon that narci grew up around music or performance a lot so they probably were best buddies with performance spirits or rhythm spirits, maybe especially with the guides themselves
I also think that he was an especially popular performer and had a nice career, similar to season of aurora where thousands of skykids gathered in valley stadium for aurora concert - this mightve been a similar circumstance for narci during the time he was alive, with thousands of people (now the spirits) in a packed stadium.
Also he was born and lived in valley
He prob lived in village of dreams (forgot to add that)

[nimble ingot]

I'd say yes, if Skykids want to have one.
The thing is, neither the skykid (as it seems) nor the player truly knows where they are from, or when they truly came into existence.
With your first play through, you wake up on the Home island with no memory before that. The island is in storm lock, but the Dawn portal is the only active portal you go through to start your Journey.

In Light Awaits, skykids used to start out darkned just like they would in the void of Eden. They get their skykid from with their first light blessing (this was before Winged Light or stars were fully implemented).

Back to your question though, I would see my own skykid arrived in Enchantment; therefore would consider that be their 'birthday', or birth season.

[halcyon wren]

I must have misremembered the murals as looking nearly identical, they are more interpretive. This is more like a mirror image

[nimble ingot]

Perhaps the other end of the ark?
I have heard theories often use that side to support their argument (statement) for Megabird.

[trim mural]

So if this is for an upcoming season, what realm are you all guessing it'll be in?

[sharp lichen]

One thing of note is that I see 5 spirits instead of 4

[halcyon wren]

Yes I recognize the mural you referenced as well, I guess both those images were merged in my head to be even more similar to the end credits birb

[sharp lichen]

It’s most definitely , look at the front of it

[nimble ingot]

1 of them could be a guide (credit to an owl friend)

It would be crazy it is linked to Prophecy caves (Dawn, but not quite) lol

[sharp lichen]

I think it’s a concept art for Cave of Prophecies, but if Prophecy 2 is actually coming I’d be overjoyed

[nimble ingot]

Prophecy season 2, electric boogaloo

[earnest briar]

Prophecy 2 AKA "You had better not cheese your way through the Trials this time or I swear you will not be let out of them until you do it the proper way"

[distant pagoda]

Hidden forest

[lusty merlin]

I just assumed this was concept art for Prarie peaks because it seems to be in the clouds and all

[granite elk]

What are the group of clouds near isle and prairie ???

Also is it just me or does the whole map layouts look like a big shard like the season of shattering one or the Eden star 🤔🤔

[nimble ingot]

That looks like the windpaths.
To reveal the map some more, you need to find the map shrines.
Light up the candles and meditate at them to see.

[leaden field]

Season of Flight area!

[leaden field]

I've noticed that too. If it's an Eden star, there is an Eden star on top of an Eden star! Wow I've said Eden star a lot

[orchid jolt]

Does the world of sky even have a year? Even if it does orbit a star or something (like the ball of light in orbit), do the skykids understand this enough to have a concept of a year based on it? Yes, you can have systems of "years" based on totally different things, but what is there for skykids to base them off of? I mean, sure if daily reset is canon to the world of sky then they have that for measuring days, but what would they assign as a year? What exactly would even give them the idea to make a system for a year?

... And I JUST remembered the holiday-events exist... Ah resh it, I typed too much to just erase all of it

[orchid jolt]

Prophecy 2, and you thought that was Passage

[nimble ingot]

hm?

[orchid jolt]

I'm trying to make a joke about season of passage having felt like prophecy 2

Prophecy 2, Passage was actually the prequel not the sequel

[orchid jolt]

That's a lot better than my previous attempts lol

[nimble ingot]

aw man. RIP

I'd say that question sits right on the fence of the game lore, and meta lore.

Meta since it uses the Chinese new year animals (next year is going to be Dragon btw O.O)
And Lore since the game has 4 season per year. Coupled with the concept art implying Sky is similar to earth to base its influences with real life history (ex. Mesopotamia, Greek, Chinese, Inca, etc.)

[nimble ingot]

ah I see, lol no worries 👍

[orchid jolt]

Finally, the fire prophet mask but with a snout

(The dragon that shows up during days of fortune looks very similar to the fire prophet's mask despite being based on a dragon and not a tiger or other big cat)

[nimble ingot]

fire prophet is a lion.

There is a dragon esque mask called a bull mask from gratitude.

And then the krill spirit from shattering.

[orchid jolt]

Yeh, took me a bit to make that edit explaining what I meant lol.

[nimble ingot]

I hope the Fortune dragon gets to one up the coming new year.
Because DRAGON

[orchid jolt]

And I still got the animal fire prophet's mask was based on wrong apparently (I said tiger instead of lion) lol.

[pastel brook]

[nimble ingot]

nice

Thought to drop this nugget of a stone lion guardian in concept art (the name is just my nickname for it)

[orchid jolt]

But yeh, I know they aren't based on the same animal or mythical creature, but the fire prophet mask does look VERY similar to the fortune dragon's head.

[nimble ingot]

Does this give El Dorado vibes to anyone else?

[orchid jolt]

That's just the Wasteland Elder's fursona (/joking)

[nimble ingot]

When Sky has a jaguar and a mustang.
But they are not cars. XD

[trim mural]

I love how they're somewhat using old concept art and incorporating it into the game it's cool to look through some on Zhao's website and other sources and go like, "Oh, I hope they add this next!"

[empty belfry]

I just realized sky kids are essentially immortal,,

[nimble ingot]

"I always come back"

[keen shore]

Except for one

[orchid jolt]

The sky prince? Not confirmed to be a skykid. Petit prince? Definitely not a skykid. I can't think of anything else
What skykid are you talking about?

[white junco]

xe’s talking about One, the prince, alef, storm, etc etc

[sharp lichen]

I think they probably came a short time afterwards

[tepid veldt]

popping in to say holy cow spade your pfp is golden

[orchid jolt]

So the sky prince. Not confirmed to be a skykid. Also not confirmed to be dead

[sharp lichen]

The Skykid part is inferred, and the dead part is the “Eden Elder isn’t around to be saved”, which could be interpreted as dead

[white junco]

waves at you

[sharp lichen]

Diamond is basically the most important shape in Sky. Look at

[keen shore]

I saw it in a dream

[white junco]

we don’t need to put disclaimers about what is and isn’t confirmed when telling jokes

[empty belfry]

Wait which sky prince r we talking about

[sharp lichen]

The Eden Elder found in the murals in Eden, the season of Prophecy murals, the final part of the Vault cutscene, and in concept art. We don’t directly see them in-game, but they still seemingly had (or have) a large influence

[orchid jolt]

I was making a joke about how passage should be considered prophecy 2 as people were calling the possible new season, from the concept art that we think might be for a new season, prophecy 2. Basically, I'm saying that the joke should really have been calling it prophecy 3

[empty belfry]

..send pixture im too tired to remember who dat is 😭

[orchid jolt]

I mean, I honestly didn't think they were meeting a joke tbh.

[granite elk]

some people say they see the eden elder in wasteland pics

[white junco]

i got u

[empty belfry]

..that guys a sky kid????

[white junco]

maybe

[empty belfry]

Je does look small enough to be one so

[granite elk]

people say the elder references are here

[keen shore]

i would even go so far as to say most likely yes, their mural depiction is literally the exact way skykids are drawn, just without the wl

[empty belfry]

Back to this, is there actually a way for a sky kid to truly die? Like, they get reborn but like, a true deth?

[orchid jolt]

Here's an old version of a king compilation by Kamilico (I think it's an old version).

The sky king and the sky prince are one and the same

[orchid jolt]

Easy, get tgc to delete your account /j

[white junco]

take the get banned challenge! post assets ripped from the game files in skycord 19 times!

[trim mural]

You know, whenever I see anything diamond related outside of Sky my mind immediately goes back to the King /hj pls send help

[white junco]

me when i see a rhombus: getting major king skycotl vibes here /lh

[sharp lichen]

You'd need to get creative and clever with it.

Skykids have something that prevents them from dying for good. If their condition is too critical, they go to their void space and hug a child.

So my thought is to trap a Skykid into something so overwhelming they can't escape from, but doesn't actually kill them

[empty belfry]

..you xlearly read a lot of angst, huh? 😭

[sharp lichen]

I mean, we have Lightseekers 5

[white junco]

i mean, if the prince/king was a skykid, and they were that figure we hug in the eden void, they didn’t die either, just got trapped in something they couldn’t escape from

[empty belfry]

Ur gonna make me cry dont do thisn to me

[orchid jolt]

The winged light in the pity room is a normal winged light. No hugs or anything. That's only in the version where you die in eden

[trim mural]

Your pfp just made me imagine a scenario where Shadow is chasing us down in Fire Trial as the

[white junco]

pov you wandered off the path in fire trial

[empty belfry]

My idea for a actual final death of a sky kid would be their light just extinguishing, like how when unlit the red candle has no light, sorta?

That but their core (that glowy oval they all have) going black or smth.

[orchid jolt]

I personally would prefer that that figure is us but recognize that it is likely the sky prince.

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[white junco]

yea i have mixed feelings myself about whether or not that’s the prince i just kinda felt it was in line with the topic at hand

[orchid jolt]

POV you found friends in the fire trial

[orchid jolt]

Except not really POV because it's not first person

[granite elk]

dumb take : One of the first, or most advanced of our kind was 'the prince', the child now stuck in Eden. He somehow ended up on Isle of dawn, through some minor explosion at the reactor, a sign of the catastrophe to come, where he was found by the common people living their normal lives in the new world, he couldn't communicate verbally with them, due to the damage caused by the fall. They taught him gestures to communicate, gave him clothes, and helped him make his way back through the realms. He gained his energy back from interacting with other children of the light. He eventually made it to the darker realms, wasteland with its industrial wastes, as well as facilities where his fellow sky kids and the creatures of the light he saw roaming the world were being tormented, to vault, where all that knowledge used to create this industry was stored, and eventually, the Eye of Eden, the core of humanity's new utopia, in a highly volatile state. He gathered the Sky children he met and made his way to the core to deactivate it, his traveling companions perishing on the way despite his best efforts to share his energy with them. Just when the core was about to detonate, he saw the world around him destroyed, the people and sky children he met sent into orbit, and with a last desperate effort tried to contain that looming fate, only partially successful, and send out a call for help to the Children of Light around the world. Those who didn't get destroyed received the call and are now stuck in a loop of reliving those memories of the spirits the price sent out with his call, collecting the lights of those who perishing in Eden with him, and taking it back to their petrified remains.

[sharp lichen]

I’m just “interested in Skykid biology and will definitely not use this conversation to propel any of my fanfiction in the near future”

[earnest briar]

Trans Shadow ❤️

[white junco]

baud rolling a d20 to pick which of his ocs gets hit with the eternal suffering void

[empty belfry]

You are most definetly giving fanfic writersnideas.

[granite elk]

😨

[white junco]

baud is a fanfic writer

[white junco]

united under a single banner

[earnest briar]

Then there’s me spinning a wheel and then flipping a coin to see which Sky character or species will get either The Sillay Thoughts or The Sad Thoughts today.

[white junco]

i have one of those but all the images are of wasteland elder

[empty belfry]

Unironically, underloved(cant spell aprichiated, obv) spirits have the best stories

[sharp lichen]

I have writer's block. As in, I have this great idea to drop a giant block on top of my ocs head

[white junco]

al vs baud, who can traumatize more children

[earnest briar]

Modest Dancer and Forgetful Storyteller ❤️ they are so very lesbiabs

[empty belfry]

Favouritebspirit story to me is cackling canoneer, but favourite general is tinkering chimesmith jusr becase look at the dude.

[sharp lichen]

Sadly, my only complete fic has adults being traumatized

[empty belfry]

WOEVER WROTE YIPIEE KNKWS THAT CHIMESMITH IS AUTISTIC

[white junco]

skill issue
<— guy who has no complete fics

[sharp lichen]

I promise I'll finish The End of Sky one day

One day..

[empty belfry]

I have no complete skid stories yet, i cant rlly make a skid to give one to yet tbh

[white junco]

i have a tsadi fic that actually has a beginning and an end that i’m working on but my oc writing is just kind of stuff that happens, i doubt it’ll ever br something i consider finished

[lusty merlin]

I have like a fic about a headcannon I have of The Valley twins but its far from done

[empty belfry]

Spill bro i wanna hear tje headvannonnn

[earnest briar]

why limit yourself to making Sky Kid OCs? I just want to be the omnipresent but definitely not unbiased narrator who pushes Sky characters together like dolls going “You are friends now :)”

[white junco]

i’ve basically turned candlemaker into an oc at this point

[sharp lichen]

Why not spirit stories?

I had a lot of fun giving some character to the oft-forgotten seasonal guides

[empty belfry]

..i have too many of those. Mainly one about how im my idea of how the elders are just one giant dysfuncional family that has tea parties every sunday

[sharp lichen]

Crab Whisperer's greatest curse

[empty belfry]

Can we apprichiats((HOWNDO YOU SPELL IT) how crab whusperer basically confirmed that crabs can and have been domesticated in history as pets

[sharp lichen]

Season of Lightseeker's greatest misfortune was establishing tea as a canon drink in the Sky universe

[white junco]

appreciate

[frigid tinsel]

I see this is an optimal time to peek back into lorechat

[lusty merlin]

So canonically has a crack on their mask. And after awhile I had the head canon that they got it when they were younger because they and were having a not so supervised sparring session. (Their bond would’ve been really bad and both would hate eachother)

In the story the crack would be over ‘a eye and it’s a moment that would affect the two well into adult hood. Pretty much the fic would follow the consequence of it, ’s pov and help bring the twins closer together in a way

[empty belfry]

Lifesaver

[white junco]

hey al

[lusty merlin]

I’m at like 6k and not done so

[white junco]

holy hell tac

[empty belfry]

..please tell me youll post it on ao3 when its finshed, sky needs more content on ao3 lol

[lusty merlin]

I’ve got a lot to say

And ya I plan to post it on ao3 :3

[sharp lichen]

@compact shale your time to shine

[white junco]

i got. 4 microfics up on ao3? each ones about 700 words but it’s something

[empty belfry]

Tbh, the best season for spirit stories and small lore was by far abyss in my opinion. Mainly becsuse we saw a new creature and such

I havent yet posted a sky story on ao3. Rn my pages is fully GASA4 content but whenever i get some more ideas i wanna write one for the aftermath of Cackling cannoners ..yk.

[white junco]

i have a bunch of wips but the main ones are Dreaming of a Parallel World (wasteland elder), A Moment to Breathe (gloat x lamplighter) and The Gannet (candlemaker)

[native galleon]

wait did you do embers? bc i think about it All The Time

[white junco]

YES THETS ME HI

[lusty merlin]

EMBERS I ADORE

[native galleon]

hi yess it’s so goodddd those 700 words packed a punch fr

[empty belfry]

Lore chat, debate this, whos the better elder couple: Vault and isle elder or forest and wasteland elder. (I have so many cute headcannons for these guys)

[frigid tinsel]

they're all siblings to me.

btw Spade's writing? ven is an amazing writer, you should check out vens work

[empty belfry]

Fair fair, i see valley elders as twins and wasteland and prarie as sibling in my headcannon.

[white junco]

YOU. everyone go look at Al’s writing he’s incredible

[empty belfry]

One of said headcannons is that wastepand elder learned how to do hair just so they could surprise forest and do her hair for her.

[earnest briar]

Vault and Wasteland all the way! Platonic friendship tho. Tired old gentleElder trying their best to help their friend and even hurting themselves in the process and said friend doing their best to care for them in return. Reading stories together under the Purple Light-generated stars and helping the Ghost Mantas take shape. ❤️

[empty belfry]

Omg no cause thats adorable. If vault wasnt forests mother in my headcannon (by extension wastes mil) thatd be such a cute ship

[white junco]

i like isle and prairie. prairie elder trying so hard to help isle, trying to prevent it from becoming a desert, and gradually losing their grip

[frigid tinsel]

okay yea I can see this. they're all siblings to me, but Dusk is older. maybe Dusk braided Rain's hair at some point and he loved it before moving onto dreadlocks.
I'm a big softie for people doing each other's hair.

[empty belfry]

REAL. i honestly belive if wasteland is given the chance they will do anybodies hair. Literally anybodies. (They have totally tried to brush the fur on a krill at some point)

[native galleon]

wait omg i actually had a wip doodle of them braiding each other’s hair a while ago but i scrapped it- maybe i should finish/redo it

[earnest briar]

I also have a headcanon that Wasteland and Isle were forced to get ‘married’ once after getting roped into it by the Valley Twins. It was a very awkward event but Wasteland absolutely rocked the dress. (Married as in fake-marrying. Like the joke or play ones kids do.)

[white junco]

did they lose a bet or?

[native galleon]

wait is this like the divorce meme that was going around when i was new here

[empty belfry]

Ill have to get my chart so this makes more sense but in my headcannon forest and wasteland are married, vault and isle are married sorta, like never offically but they both just kinda agree 'Yeah, youre my SO.'

[white junco]

i mean, wasteland elder does have divorce energy

[lusty merlin]

Im chill with all elder ships except with any involving the twins but that’s mainly from me headcanoning them falling as kids and the other elders looking after them as their guardians. Though for me vault/wasteland I think I like seeing the most

Sorry meant to reply to somebody else

[native galleon]

midlife crisis moment? /j

[orchid jolt]

Asked Kamilico if they could send me the most updated version. I got it, lemme send it real quick

[white junco]

midlife crisis, and earlylife crisis, and latelife crisis. basically just frequent crisis

[sharp lichen]

Wasteland Elder is basically the master of divorce at this point

[earnest briar]

OH and despite their intimidating height Wasteland is the softest person you will ever meet. All the kids love them and ask to play with them. They help put on performances at festivals when visiting Valley. The Krills guard their temple because they succeeded in befriending said Krills and now they protect it for them.

[empty belfry]

Got the chart, heres my person headcannon for the elder situation. (Valley twins were adopted by teth and tsadi real)

[orchid jolt]

I leave for a few minutes and y'all are already talking about elders having divorces?!

||(Don't worry, it's totally fine. I don't control what is talked about)||

[lusty merlin]

So glad that just being really soft is a common agreement. 🎉

[frigid tinsel]

something something Olive Garden wedding

[native galleon]

yes but also, bro is literally the embodiment of a midlife crisis

[empty belfry]

Another thing i headcannon for thd valley twins, they used to refer to themselves as one elder originally(as a hint to concept art n such) and used to speak kind of in the 3rd person as if they werent their own persons.

[empty belfry]

Nicest midlifd crisis ever tbh.

[white junco]

true. in seriousness in my verse the midlife crisis would be realizing just how deep they’ve gotten in darkness and war

[lusty merlin]

Yeah ;-; I think of that too

[frigid tinsel]

the war

[orchid jolt]

Personally, I don't think the spirits or other sky creatures really have those things, genders and sexualities. And not in a aro/ace + non binary way, just in the way of it simply not existing in their world. They don't have aro/ace or non binary because there's nothing different about it to them and there is no other thing to them. The only reason the rainbow events exist is because the spirits want to support the skykids even if they have zero understanding of what the skykids are honking about.

Edit: but this is just my head canon and others are free to have their own lol

[empty belfry]

Everybody agrees and even if its platonic or romantic forest and wasteland as a duo are basically just "giant sofite and their emotional support mean girl/boy/enby"

..this makes me wonder if weddings exist in sky.

[orchid jolt]

Okay, well not everybody technically /s

[empty belfry]

Almost everybody shhhhhh. (Its such a good duo tho and fits them so well)

[white junco]

tsadi is so much. they are so many things. most of all broken

[sharp lichen]

We don't see any in-game, but I guess it could happen

[frigid tinsel]

Sky "weddings" are not a suitable topic for this server, @empty belfry. Sky is not a dating game, and roleplay that creates a false sense of closeness with others is a danger for all involved. Remember to protect your privacy at all times
/j

[sharp lichen]

Yeah, don't emulate these rule-breakers or you'll end up like them /j

[pastel brook]

Using emulators is against the Sky TOS, @sharp lichen. Please don’t use or discuss emulators here.

[orchid jolt]

The valley elder models have noses underneath their masks btw (at least the ones in orbit). The gloating narcissist really is just their third sibling.

[lusty merlin]

On the contrary I don’t see forest elder being “mean”, distant and a little closed off yeah but thats mainly from me headcanoning they have some trouble expressing themselves. I feel they’d fall into tough on outside and soft inside

[empty belfry]

Tbh now i wanna go write a fic about the elders just being a silly family. 😭

[native galleon]

aaaaaaaalll that i know

[lusty merlin]

I know of the noses, but that’s really because they reused ’s model. Other then their appearance they don’t really have anything else connecting them. Plus that would make gloat an elder also yet from what we’ve seen they just appear to be an ancestor

[frigid tinsel]

TGC really likes reusing models where you least expect it

[lusty merlin]

I remember when I kept thinking the other people in the remembrance memories were previous spirits but then I realized like, spirits can be differnt and look the same

[orchid jolt]

Oh. Didn't realize you knew about it lol. But yeah, gloat isn't an elder. And we are pretty sure that Spirits don't become elders.

It does make you wonder why exactly those two elders have noses (I don't think the others did but I can't remember checking tbh)

[white junco]

tgc was feeling nice while they were modeling them?

[native galleon]

God i still think the existence of gloating narcissist is one of the funniest things in game, like they really made a whole spirit to make fun of them and did NOT make it subtle absolutely out of pocket

[lusty merlin]

I think wasteland elder also have a nose? Other than that maybe the twins were modelled first before the 3D artist decided the nose wouldn’t necessary for the others. Other then that I got no clue

[orchid jolt]

Yep, look at the raised candle spirit and the manta call spirit. Not to mention the spirit manta call spirit or the multiple "spirit extras" you see in tearful light miner's memories. Heck, the bird call spirit is just the manta call/raised candle spirit with hair!

[compact shale]

Hallo Tac! Can I ask you a question in private?

[trim mural]

one of my friends headcanons gloating is gay because they're surronded by mirrors

[orchid jolt]

Ah. Interesting

[orchid jolt]

I'm reminded of the bad memes that go like this:

Fellas, is it gay to have self love? You are literally loving a man!

[lusty merlin]

All for the head canon but how would surrounding be mirrors collerate to gloat being gay?

[native galleon]

fellas is it gay to have mirrors /j

[orchid jolt]

Oh what, why do they get the "okay" emoji reaction when I made the reference before them!

(/Joking)

[sharp lichen]

hoarding all the glass in the kingdom, how very rude

[frigid tinsel]

I just noticed, romp romp

[native galleon]

I don’t think they’re gay because of that, I think they’re gay bc they’re based on the valley elder(s) /j

[white junco]

tsadi has a face behind their mask. because of the way the other elders’ masks work, i doubt they have faces under there (besides valley ofc)

[native galleon]

How do you even find this out?

[lusty merlin]

Ah yaya that’s fair

[white junco]

trans powers

[orchid jolt]

Camera angles

[native galleon]

oh in like the vault oob ?

[orchid jolt]

Just angle the camera so it's under their mask (I don't mean the prop btw)

[orchid jolt]

Maybe? I'm not sure as there is some collision with the elders there. I did it with the valley elders when summoning them in orbit

[native galleon]

omg spade your bio ahahaha

[soft timber]

flies in and hits a wall with a ping

[orchid jolt]

Skykids are bells confirmed?

[soft timber]

Skykids are musical intruments confirmed? We need answers!

[orchid jolt]

Of course they are. Sparkler Emote level 3 and 4

[native galleon]

oh so i gotta finish wasteland first
i currently have uh. like 50%

[white junco]

gl

[orchid jolt]

All the honks as well

[orchid jolt]

You don't need the tier two capes or the second wing buff on the spirit trees (doesn't count as an actual wing buff to my knowledge btw). And the vault oob might still work

[native galleon]

ik i have 3 constellations done just not that one ! but thanks

[orchid jolt]

I still wonder why the shattering memory things seem to use totally different models from the elder models we see in cutscenes and in orbit. Heck the krill models seem to be different as well

I mean, I know those elder models are almost definitely the ones used in that light awaits blue diamond oob thing, but still

[sharp lichen]

I'm guessing they're in a different quality because they're so much bigger?

[frigid tinsel]

Shattering seems to be the season of reusing old concepts and models that have been previously discarded. And, to be fair, they did that pretty well.

[sharp lichen]

Shattering my beloved 🤍 (when will it ever beat the rushed allegations)

Shard Eruptions itself were also supposed to be there from the start, but they didn't have the technology to do it

[orchid jolt]

Still, the elder faces are really wonky. And you don't have to oob at all to land on them

[soft timber]

Cursed because now we can have Skids just make bell noises

[orchid jolt]

It won't beat the rushed allegations. It is definitely one of my favorite seasons, but i do believe it was rushed and could've been soo much more.

Still, I think that TGC's decision (if they actually did make that decision, which I think they did) to direct more of their energy towards the Aurora season was a good decision for them to make. I don't like it, but I do recognize it was the better decision due to its capability to increase the sky fandom tremendously plus get people to buy stuff for the season as it wasn't guaranteed to come back and wasn't just TGC's decision like bringing back ultimates would be

[white junco]

it was an old oob in light awaits. originally forest elder wasn’t included, which is why their model is so much more detailed

[orchid jolt]

I know about the blue Eden oob. I made a message right below that one about it lol

[white junco]

my bad, didn’t backread

[orchid jolt]

#sky-music message

[sharp lichen]

I mean, all seasons have the opportunity to be so much more, and I think Aurora is not free from criticism- while I love the concert, there's no new seasonal area or spirit memories.

||also I hate anything being limited time and then it goes forever, that's primarily a shoddy business decision and nothing else||

[white junco]

the quests are sorta spirit me@lries

[sharp lichen]

I swear this slowmode is killing us all

[orchid jolt]

I mean, yes. But you do have to understand that it's not exactly fully tgc's choice given the whole copyright rule stuff

[white junco]

i also have a headache so i’m not 100%

[sharp lichen]

HOW ON EARTH is genchat 23 seconds while this is 37 seconds

[white junco]

skycords least favorite children

[orchid jolt]

I'm telling you, Megabird doesn't want us to find out the truth and is in kahoots with TGC

That's why the lore channel cool down is so long!

Sidenote: It feels kinda weird being relatively active here again

[sharp lichen]

The tinfoil hat emote is definitely the cherry on top

[viral bay]

I have a question. How do we know the lights in Prophecy and Enchantment are the same ones?

I'm looking back at Ark murals and they seem to imply that the colored lights are made out of balls of light that fall directly from the source, the Megabird (like the ones we have to collect when we have the quest to get the light in realms).

But for the lights in Prophecy, the cave seems to have existed since an incredibly long time before the king fell into existence, those lights are more likely to have been harvested directly from elements and possibly with a long and difficult technique.

The lights also use different icons for the elements too. Like the Air light of echantment isn't drawn as the same as the Air light in Prophecy.

[orchid jolt]

I mean, they aren't necessarily the same. It's possible that the enchantment lights are just lightseeker lights that were imbued with some elemental energy or something while the prophecy elements on the murals could just be that, the essence of said elements.

[fervent knoll]

Wanna see it

[sharp lichen]

In the murals they aren't the same, but the Enchantment quests where they're floating around have the same icons as the Prophecy ones

Umbrellas being used makes me think they're the Lightseekers, and so I think the golden balls of light we see in the catch the light quests are the golden stars shown in the murals. The process shown in the right is probably related to infusing the golden light with a specific element from Prophecy (that we know the Sky people had early on)

[earnest briar]

They are literally the most friend person in all of the Kingdom and anyone who disagrees is wrong.

[lusty merlin]

So true, the war just hardened them but they’d never hesitate to look for their fellow soldiers

[tepid veldt]

dusk is the most friend shaped friend possible

[earnest briar]

You're right idyll, and you should say it.

[lyric imp]

Hot take: we need more neutral/ambivalent creatures. In Sky, there's a clear split between light and dark, good and evil. There's no room for things ambivalent, undecided, natural, wild. Everything is either loving and peaceful or tries to kill you. There are no creatures that hunt as much as they need, but with keeping some natural balance. In real world, without major environment change and without presence of invasive species, nature stays in balance. Hunters don't kill all their prey, they prey doesn't eat all the food. Wolves for example rarely go beyond their own, designated territory. Sky doesn't show that balance. It's either inherent fulfilment in the baseline or insatiable hunger.

[lyric imp]

I love how when seal came back everyone managed to compress all the most important aspects of the lore from the last few years into like 20 messages in an extremely objective and factual manner

[inland cliff]

so in some of the murals there's always the leader of a ship or group that has bigger mask than the rest, so is it possible that the more detailed/larger the mask the higher their authorities/power?

[fluid folio]

I think having neutral creatures would defeat the point of Sky: it's supposed to be a nice chill game where you can hang out with your friends. People already don't go to Golden Wasteland that often. Having a neutral creature would mean that someone could disturb the peace at any moment, forcing you to stop relaxing and move.

There are crabs that don't attack you already, notably being in areas exposed to light. It's been theorized that krills used to be light creatures (mainly because there's been creatures similar to krills in trailers iirc). They only attack you (and that one manta) because they are looking for light (and GW notably lacks light sources). That could also be why the red shard crabs attack you when you deep call.

I think there is a krill that can attack you in the Office, but that's an easter egg area and should not be counted.

[viral bay]

Yeah many fishes in the sea are already neutral

[earnest briar]

There's technically neutral Krill during Days of Mischief inside the Cackling Crab? Yes there are some hostile ones off in the distance, but there are also more blue-colored Krills that zoom around who you can hitch a ride on.

Also Zorua pfp, you have incredible taste. The baby.

[frigid tinsel]

Arguably darkness is not inherently evil but as natural of a force of nature as light is. However, due to the ancestors’ industrial era, more darkness became part of the world, disrupting a previous balance of light & dark in way that is harmful to us beings of light yet not necessarily the fault of the dark creatures.

I liken it to greenhouse gases or displaced animals. Greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide and methane do naturally exist to some extent, but the advent of industrialization rapidly increased the amount in the atmopshere, warming the planet and creating anthropological climate change that has had a detrimental effect on the environment and its inhabitants. Likewise, humans terraforming the planet for our own purposes by deforestation, agriculture, and (sub)urbanization, displaces the animals who had been living in that environment. Now in closer proximity to humans and in a habitat they are not adapted for, these animals can and have attacked humans or taken advantage of human food sources. Humans then kill them as a result.

It is not their fault nor are they evil for it, rather they are reacting and adapting to an ecosystem that has been thrown out of balance of their natural, previous state.

Like in your wolves example, you say wolves don’t leave their territory to hunt. Well, seldom do krill — they keep to their path and only deviate when they spot something.

Darkness preys on light, so as beings of light, darkness seems bad to us. However light can burn away darkness, as we melt dark plants.

[willow parcel]

Its been awhile since i’ve been here. I have a quick question. Is it confirmed if theres ever been a eden elder, or something similar ect.

[frigid tinsel]

Devs have spoken about there once being an Eden Elder or a king as some call them, but they are “not around to be saved.” that is all there is about direct confirmation.

Considering in-game evidence, there are the Cave of Prophecies murals that depict a skykid completing the Trials and climbing Eden who has been refered to as the Eden Elder, king, Storm, Chosen One. They also appear in the Eden mural with what is presumably the Eden diamond.

But something went wrong. Now the Eden diamond is corrupted and the Eden Elder is gone.

[orchid jolt]

I'm not sure if you are asking if I would like to see it or if you are saying that you would like to see it.

For the first one, I've seen videos of it before.

For the second one, here's a link to a message with a video of it:
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[orchid jolt]

Here is a compilation of many of the King/Prince references and symbols in game and in concept art (there are most definitely more king/prince symbols and references, but these are some of the major ones)

This compilation was made by user Kamilico:

[orchid jolt]

I'm like 99.999999999% sure that the ones in the distance that aren't the rollercoaster krill are also neutral btw (this doesn't apply to the ones in the ||office||, only the ones in the ||cackling crab||)

[fervent knoll]

I would like to see it

[orchid jolt]

I included a link to a message containing a video of it in the message you just responded to 👍

[orchid jolt]

Let me know if it's not working for you btw

[willow parcel]

Thank you. Stealing all of these images.

[quick rain]

Any lore behind the manatee vs seals debacle?
They are clearly seals.

[nimble ingot]

There does seem to be a debate between the name of the creature being more like a mantatee based on the tail, or a seal based on the body.

What one could agree on (hopefully) is that they could be called Sky Puppies.

They are one of the newest sky creatures in the game.

In my opinion, This could be a baby version of the creature seen flying in the animation project teaser animation.

[quick rain]

Behavior based, manatees are less likely to lay on the beach.
None of them can actually fly either... But.

A friend called them Sealtees/Focatees.

[nimble ingot]

lol, me and a friend were having this debate and that was what I said as well. XD

"I did not know mantas can fly"
They responded, neither do seals.

It was a fun convo.

(Then again, there one way to get a seal to fly. Sadly, it involves a killer whale)

[orchid jolt]

Hehe, frontflip

[nimble ingot]

Those are mantarays, lol

[quick rain]

Oh we even pulled data from reliable sources. I managed to get solid evidence tho.

[viral bay]

Eh, we never got any confirmation for the names tbh
Not even the Leviathan

Not even TGC knows😭

"Fire trial wisp" "abyss fish"

[nimble ingot]

ah yes, wikipedia. lol
(Academically, it is not trustworthy. Though this is not an academic debate forum.)

[quick rain]

Also i edited the screenshot... I mean enhanced the image.

[viral bay]

Also charge ur phone /lh

[nimble ingot]

One of the few confirmed names we have in Sky are
Butterflies, Krill/Dark Dragon, Greater Manta, Manta, King Tuna/Whale, Jellyfish, Fish, and Crabs, felicious visitor.

The rest are names fans and theorist give to creatures, although afaik the these have yet to be confirmed by the game/devs.

[viral bay]

HUH KING TUNA????????

[nimble ingot]

A shadow/dark wisp
Now that sounds interesting.
Sadly, it is still discord lore and may not be accurate to the canon.
Still, using wisp as a name does have interesting connontations...

[quick rain]

Wisps are really bad.

[nimble ingot]

It was a coding nickname for the Whale
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

In folklore, a will-o'-the-wisp, will-o'-wisp or ignis fatuus (Latin for 'foolish flame')

It is said to mislead travellers by resembling a flickering lamp or lantern.
<source: Wikipedia>

That is interesting when coupled with the behaviour of these shadowy monsters.
They roam dark areas with glowing eyes, that may mislead a weary traveller. They follow the path we need to follow (often backwards) which could send travellers off coarse to their destination.

And as Theli said, they are dangerous and malignant spirits.

[quick rain]

At 28%? That's plenty for 4hs of YouTube.

In some cultures, wisps or similar beings, lead people to their demise, being capable of imitating sounds and even forms they can also play cruel "pranks"

[viral bay]

Woah. That IS very interesting. Perhaps we can now call it the Wisp?

[nimble ingot]

snuffing a skykid's light sure looks like a terrible prank. 👍

[quick rain]

I prefer to call them "nvm, not doing trials."

[nimble ingot]

Maybe?

I know them as shadows. Monsters that are demon like.
Dark Wisps sounds so interesting (more so as a fanon idea).
A wisp of light that used to trail around the realms, but were corrupted and are trapped in a massive orb of darkness. Cursed to wander the maze in the dark. Desperate to trace their steps out with the candles, but doomed to snuff any light they come in contact.

[viral bay]

Yeah i liked to call them Shadows too, but now Wisp sounds more unique

[quick rain]

Onibi (鬼火, "Demon Fire") is a type of atmospheric ghost light in legends of Japan. According to folklore, they are the spirits born from the corpses of humans and animals. They are also said to be resentful people that have become fire and appeared. Also, sometimes the words "will-o'-wisp" or "jack-o'-lantern" are translated into Japanese as "onibi".[1]

[viral bay]

I think they were artificially created by the prophets, since they don't exist anywhere except the trials.
Plus, they could be made with Red Light from enchantment, and it would align with the speculatin that Isle got the Red Light, the light of darkness and truth.

[quick rain]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onibi
Japanese lore seems to fit them well.

[nimble ingot]

The interesting thing about prophecy trails are there are not other regions in the game like them.

Granted, one can see some similarities, but the point still stands that we do not find any evidence in the realms of sky that would suggest these trails are set in a particular region.

This could imply that these trials are an alternate dimension, a memory, a magical space that purely exist as a challenge for students to overcome. That is at least what the gameplay suggests with these trails for the skykids.

Season of Passage seems to have taken notes from this season with their own quests as trials or lessons. Whereas both uses masks that light up and let takers meditate near them to enter the space. Both have 4 masks and each contain their own set of challenges.

I'll continue the comparison shortly.

[quick rain]

The masters or group leaders behind the trials were/are awful people.

[sharp lichen]

How? In the spirit memories, we see the Prophets happily teaching students

[quick rain]

Just the fact that they are using living(?) creatures likes wisps for their testing is problematic.

[viral bay]

Yeah while Passage tests happen in actual places by "resting until night", i think Prophecy asks you to meditate and the trials actually happens in our minds, connecting to the "trial realm" (like how in Avatar TLA Aang meditate in a sacred place and still is able to talk to spirits in the spirit realm).

That's why the props and capes and flying just isn't possible, in the mental world.

[quick rain]

Also, do we know if a light person dies in spirits memories, they die for real?
We get to restart the trial, past beings maybe actually stayed dead.

[viral bay]

Yeah they die.
Ancestors aren't blessed to be immortal like skykids, and we also see corpses of ancestors depicted on the Prophecy murals.

[quick rain]

In the avatar universe, dying in the spirit realm also kills you in the physical one. If the trials are only a fabrication in our minds, then i guess its okay. Otherwise, many students were killed in the past. And they were happy because group think.

[nimble ingot]

Comparing Seasons of Passage and Prophecies respective lessons and trails.

Passage of Reliance / Water trial (Wisdom of Patience)
Here both version has skykids work together, or at least learn to carry their own weight as their patience and reliance are tested.
For passage, it is darkness that divides. For prophecy, it is the icy water.

Passage of Assistance / Earth Trial (Wisdom of Resilience)
This is where skykids rely on mutual team work. Friends can carry each other with difficult obstacles, whereas solo runners attempt the challenge whereas some succeed and help make the path a bit easier for other runners after them.
Granted, these challenges do not have direct correlations. One is about saving masks, the other is a maze obstacle course.

Passage of Coordination / Air Trial (Wisdom of Balance)
One of the mutually frustrating challenges when taken with players who do not work with each other.
Skykids have little control over the situation, although can overcome these challenges with determination and working together.

Passage of Alignment / Fire Trail (Wisdom of Courage)
Both relies on skyids lighting a path to their goal. One is far less deadly with no hostile enemies, although both can benefit from teamwork.
When players work strategically, they can efficiently over come the challenge. However, both challenges can also be complete through brute force.

Granted, these season are not that similar to each other, although they are not that much different to each other either.

Passage genuinely feels like an improvement to the challenge aspect of gameplay from Prophecy.
However, I would also like to point out having tactile obstacles that Prophecy provided could be explored more in future seasons.
Especially in reference to a comment in one concept art and in past interviews that entertained puzzles for skykids to solve.

[viral bay]

Jesus text wall jumpscare

[nimble ingot]

We don't know what the shadows truly are in the canon lore.

Although we do know the trails are deadly with the students dying/failing in the trails.

[quick rain]

hippity hoppity please jump into the abyss for reasons.

[sharp lichen]

I mean, the students probably knew about the risks invovled

[nimble ingot]

fair

[quick rain]

Real life parallels can be drawn and in retrospect we usually tend to label people willingly following a path to their dead, victims.

[hushed steeple]

I mean

There must have been a great reward for completing trails for the students other than a blinding boy of light

[quick rain]

Remember when this was about seals? I miss those times.

[sharp lichen]

In the beginning, probably. Elemental mastery, immense popularity, and basically being the star of the kingdom. But the immense pressure will soon wear on it

[hushed steeple]

I would take element mastery of fire over life anyday tbh

[quick rain]

We wouldn't have youtube tutorials for the trials irl. I think.

[sharp lichen]

speedrun.com leaderboard Trials Any%

[quick rain]

0 deaths. No ambulance called.

[nimble ingot]

Sorcery in Sky definetly needs to be explored more.

It would be fun to meet a wizard or witch in Sky.

Imagine this hypothetical scenario.

Skykids run into a wizard challenging them into a duel. Skykids find their own way past the wizard's traps and beats them.
The wizard relents and conjures up a pile of candle wax for skykids to gobble up and do it all again tomorrow.

Each time, the duel is a little bit different.
It could be a maze with shrunken skykids. A roly poly obstacle course. Or a game of simon says.

[quick rain]

Vault spirits having telekinetic abilities already opens an entire can of possibilities. Wizardry would be really cool.

[nimble ingot]

not me imagining a hide and sneak game with the chibis hiding in the Vault.
A spirit catches them and levitates them out through a window XD

[quick rain]

This chibis and their falling out of bounds! Proceeds to yeet them to isle with their mind.

[nimble ingot]

Wasteland soldiers use skykids as flairs with catapults.

[quick rain]

Past seasons guides have been far to nice to us(crystal doesn't count).
We need someone that hates us, but learns to be okay with us eventually.

[nimble ingot]

The crystal guide did not petrify us at least /hj

[nimble ingot]

How about the King?

[quick rain]

That would be insane. Endgame.

[nimble ingot]

Off-topic. Look at how many devs are online in the server.
Goodness, they are either having a big meeting, are hard at work with something (nudge nudge, aviary aviary).

[obsidian inlet]

I wonder what currency the ancestors used in the past. I feel like they may have worked off of a trade system or something. Then again they hold metals like brass and gold in high regards considering they use it a lot in cultural items throughout sky. Anyone have any thoughts on what they used?

[sharp lichen]

My first guess is candles, but that would probably not as effective since it also has many other uses. Candles don't seem to be fiat (like dollar bills or coins), but it's still a currency

[nimble ingot]

They could have been bartering with food, textiles, services etc.

Coins are also an option. I imagine they could have been like this (but that is just a fan fiction idea)

[quick rain]

I always pictured this ancient civilizations to use currency similar to our own ancient civilizations. Yeah coins

[obsidian inlet]

I feel like candles would be much too bulky, maybe brass or bronze coins? Since they seem to have been a bronze age society for a while, incorporating it into a lot of things

[quick rain]

Common people in spirits memories sometimes seem to struggle with poverty and given the riches of places like valley, they had an advanced level of economic development. Currencies must have existed.

[viral bay]

I'm gonna have to disagree.

I think the Prophecy trials stand as the opposite of Passage tests, solo >< teamwork.

In the lore, Prophecy trials are supposed to evaluate qualities of individuals, to choose the one and only worthy enough to lead and unite Sky as a kingdom (patience, resilience, balance, courage). Meanwhile, Passage quests exist to improve and correct flaws of young ancestors, by evaluating qualities of the group as a whole (reliance, assistance, coordination, alignment).
The Passage guide should see a development arc in their adolescents, while Prophecy guide should see a rather smooth passing of the trials by the chosen one.

The gameplay of these also reflects this too. I don't feel a sense of teamwork in the Prophecy trials (except for maybe bringing out the white candle in fire), only maybe in the form of duo or trio, rather individualised; meanwhile the Passage is connected to HUGE servers, connecting incredibly large amounts of skykids together for the same purpose.

[nimble ingot]

Ah, good point and am glad to see this.
I see what you mean with the passage trials focus more on team work while prophecy focuses on 'the one' to complete the trials.

Friends can attempt these trails as a group and get by. They still have to progress through them with one of the players succeeding and leading the others along.

[quick rain]

The teamwork in trials, is me warping to a competent friend.

[viral bay]

defenestration

[quick rain]

Looking at it that way, the trials are also testing compassion. You can enter alone or in a group. And often only one is the guide. A shame that the elders in charge of the trials had no compassion for those students

[nimble ingot]

XD well said.

It is nice to see the game focus more of the relationship you share with friends.
Seeing passage was teaching these teens to be better people for themselves and others.

Prophecy's theme was good look at the story of Sky. The lore of the King (or Sky Prince).

[quick rain]

Passage spirits being denied by their peers was a kick in the feels.

[viral bay]

I guess that's what comes with a species able to have love and compassion 🤷‍♀️ There will always be acceptance/rejection love/hate.

[nimble ingot]

They just needed a nudge in the right direction.
One was a troublemaker and caused mischief.
Another was very competitive.
Another was clamming up when new friends showed up.
And another opted not to play with the others.

The lessons addressed and taught them what friends are like and what you can do with your friends working together.

[quick rain]

(Me wanting a delete friend option)
Poor Spirits...

[earnest briar]

Troublemaker didn't seem to cause trouble on purpose in my eyes. They were just clumsy and said clumsiness got them in trouble. And Oddball Outcast (I think that's them?) didn't play with the others because they got distracted, and eventually the others thought they weren't interested, so they just stopped offering. Passage in my eyes teaches compassion for those around you, even if said people are 'weird' or 'strange'. Differences should be understood, not ostracized.

[nimble ingot]

Troublemaker may have meant well with them tumbling into people and thinking it is silly or funny.
Which is fine in certain situations such as play time. However, knocking someone over like that could be hurtful or annoying sometimes.
The guide scolded them at one point for attempting the rolling prank with them. This can be seen when completing their relevant quest, if I recall correctly.

In their memory, they knocked over a few skykids who were seemingly trying to go have a picnic. But the basket was knocked over and ruined the activity for everyone.

The other spirits have similar lessons wherein each one had to learn about compassion as you said.
They were misunderstood teens who needed help getting back on track with their lives.
Had they not learned these lessons set up by the guide. They would have been worse off not knowing why they had trouble making friends.

[granite elk]

i tried to complete fire trial after 2 years and ive gotten no closer to finishing. worms are a living hell

[nimble ingot]

There is a path you would need to learn. I assure you, the more you practice the trail, the more familiar you become with the path and timing.
Having that knowledge is not much, but still a well earned skill.

[orchid jolt]

Yes and you accidentally said mantas instead of manatees in your prior message. I was making a joke based off of that lol

[nimble ingot]

ah, I see.
mb and well done 👏

[orchid jolt]

These might help (maps obtained from the link below):

https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/Season_of_Prophecy#The_Trial_of_Fire

[bitter plank]

I wanted to ask, is the elderbird seen in game anywhere? Do they have a story or lore? (cause I love their design so much)

[nimble ingot]

Sadly they dont

The elder bird made an appearance in Season of Rhythm as a cutscene and a passing encoutner in the sky of Orbit.
It has not returned to Sky ever since then.

Lore for them, there has been art of it in the Season of Flight teaser art. But it has not made any appearance in the game, as well as the devs confirmed that the bird was not intended to show up in the game (personally have been salty about that).

I do hope to see the bird in Sky again.
As well as not just a red herring encounter where only get to see the elder creature from far away and not able to get anywhere near them becuase they are out of bounds (like the elder manta in season of Sanctuary).

[bitter plank]

Thank you for responding

[nimble ingot]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/632004389137154048/1100068542688284802/AC628D2C-FE36-4BA4-9B9B-64C5BF9BDE36.gif

shame the channel does this now a days....

here we go.
rip elder bird

[empty belfry]

Wasnt the elderbird shown outside the area off to the left in valley right before the main race? Or was that a different bird?

[nimble ingot]

Not sure. Like the gif I posted. I know it was in the cutscene. I have told by other players that there has been no sign of the elder bird in the game since.

[empty belfry]

i always wonder what that birds supposed to be, i used to think it was the elderbird

[quick rain]

It could be a cool way to transport skyds to a new location like aviary.
They also look delicious.

[empty belfry]

please do not eat the elderbird

[quick rain]

Are you kidding me? I would eat the seals if they stopped flying away from me.

[earnest briar]

mean to them

[viral bay]

I went for an eden lore trip the other day. I found this carving on the door to the second area extremely familiar, similar to the carving of Forest elder's head.
What are your thoughts abt it?

[hushed steeple]

It’s got a diamond in the middle that’s actually composed of two pyramids.

Reminds me of the b&w diamond vault elder had. Could be symbolic of the balance of dark and light?
Dunno.
But what I do know is that the octagon behind is similar to a coffin. It could just be chipped at the top, but even then it would still look as such.
And the displayed weapons looking like memorials don’t help. Especially with the two paddles on the left being a bit of evidence towards the theory of the deceased valley elders.

[orchid jolt]

@jovial spoke

Thought I sent that message as a reply, woops

[orchid jolt]

There's one at the top as well btw

(Fly up through the hole in that building and you should see it)

[granite elk]

Help i had a whole theory abt sanctuary and it auto deleted my comment??

anyways summary of my essay : i think sanctuary was a resort or safekeeping spot for the animals that were commonly drained in the sky kingdom

[fallen root]

Lorechat just a lil off-topic question

Does Cannoneer give you Chaotic Nonbinary energy

[desert ridge]

Canoneer always gave me chaotic feminine energy

[viral bay]

For me Canoneer is one of the masculine spirits, but the hair itself is among the non binary ones

[fallen root]

Cannoneer will achieve Sky Kingdom domination with gasoline cans and a single lit match/j

[lusty merlin]

What I like abt cannoneer is that they give off all energies

[leaden field]

They give off chaotic energy. Not sure about the gender part though

[sharp lichen]

All spirits in sky do

[flint swan]

A cutscene in The Little Prince events depicts our prince traveling to Eden, with us behind him in pursuit. We seem him somehow not get attacked by a krill, despite being spotted by it. A friend and I tried to approach a krill with a similar strategy (i.e. sitting down in front of the krill) but it ended up as predicted: we got krilled.
Makes me curious though, a daily message uses the phrase when describing a krill: “hungry to consume your light” but I have noticed that the little prince himself recharges a player’s cape when near him. So, if the prince has ‘light’ like a regular skykid, how come the krill does not attack him? Do krill just,, spare royalty exclusively???

[merry plover]

I noticed that too, and I came up with two theories. the better one is that it's because he's a different kind of entity than skykids, spirits, and the creatures of the rest of the realms of sky. other theory was that maybe the krill somehow sensed his friendliness or curiosity or something and took pity on him. I mean the lights they use probably have more use than just seeing visually they might be able to see the spirit of something or maybe they only see that or something idk I'm not well versed in the lore of the game. these are just my uneducated speculations tho, so take it as you will

[flint swan]

That is a very interesting theory. The prince is from a different planet entirely, so it could be a viable option
On the other hand, Krill are more like apex predators in the sense that they haven’t really gained any sort of sentience/self-awareness, and if a krill can take pity on something, I’d be darn upset cause I mean those giant shrimps no harm.
Makes me think though, have we as Skykids been around long enough that krill recognize us specifically as threats, or is it more directed towards creatures/beings of light? Most likely the ladder
I do hope TGC makes that there’s a way for players to interact with krill more than just trying to avoid them- my friend is fascinated by krill so I do hope that it somehow happens

[lusty merlin]

I like to think it’s because krill look for light to consume, like they attack the manta in wasteland, spirits seen in seed of hopes quest, and us. Which looking at the sky’s world, light seems to be a core component in the world.
The little prince being from a different world, and having a different biology all together could explain why it didn’t attack him, but would still attack us

[lusty merlin]

There is the days of mischief krill roller coaster from the office but idk if that would count

[quartz tulip]

It's a direct reference to the book, he does get "attacked" and dies

[compact shale]

Didn't he ask for it tho

Like
He wanted this

[compact shale]

My theory is that Little Prince is a solar panel.

What I mean is that he can turn light into energy that he radiates, but he doesn't actually contain light inside him like skykids can.

[nimble ingot]

he wanted to go home to his rose.

In the Sky version, the krill could have likely told the Prince about Eden and it sending skykids to their Home.
Which explained the maniac's stunt of going to Eden.

Even though us skykids were trying so hard to keep up with them. We do, in a way, help them get through eden with saving their statue. And while we did not see the Prince on the way to Orbit, we do meet them in Orbit.

In a way, the Little Prince did get his wish of going home. One indicator of this is when we are reborn, we don't end up in Home. This implies our skykids could have tried to hold on to the Prince, and ended up in the Starlight Desert while the Prince continued back to the asteroid B-612.

[compact shale]

yeah
point is, krill didn't just krill him because yes.

[nimble ingot]

Little Prince had plot armour /hj

[solid frigate]

krill saw princes sword pants and was like"this guy too hardcore anyway"

[orchid jolt]

I still dislike the rose and feel like they were heavily manipulating Petit Prince in the original story

[native galleon]

my first impression was that the little prince is human, he isn't a being of light or darkness, so the krill was just looking at him like ❓ what is this

i could be wrong but that was just what came to mind when i did the quests

[nimble ingot]

Roses are stereotypically vain after all.

[inland cliff]

Could it be that he has tamed it before? If we're comparing the krill to the snakes in the story

[desert ridge]

I think its more likely that TLP is more magical creature and is able to temporarily control krills

[nimble ingot]

ooh good point.
Sky logic has established that the realms may have some parts that are earth like. But is adament to be separate from earth.
Therefore the ancestors are not human. Or at least they are not human by earth standards. Just like earth humans are not ancestors by Sky standards.

I was very curious to see what the ancestors would think of a living human in the realms. Especially the elders.
But sadly, there was no real interaction for that kind of fan service.
Not even the season memories really addressed that question. I have dismissed these interactions as lore carried over from the book. Which in turn tossed that metaphorical ball of question into the air, and it landed in the no man's land between these fictional universes.
Meaning the season spirits would interact with the Little Prince, because of the book influencing the plot of the season. But the other spirits in Sky have not engaged with the Little Prince in any way. Implying that the Little Prince may not be canon to the Sky universe, despite the ideas the season brought to the lore.

[native galleon]

Yea especially when i found out he originally looked more like the character in the book and not like the ghostly version we see now, it made sense to me! Or even if he's not a regular human, he's at least from a different world and built different from us, so i can imagine the creatures still not knowing what to make of him.

Except sky kids, they don't care, they're just like hey cool another kid let's be friends

[pure python]

A building in EDEN

[hoary lintel]

Hello lore chat !! Feel free to pocket this thought for later as I don't want to interrupt any discussions, but I'd like to know why you think all sky kids have white hair from a lore perspective :3

[compact shale]

I have heard a theory that the hair itself is made of candle wax!

[native galleon]

didn't skybot ask that as a joke

[flint swan]

It might just be because of TGC’s design choice, but there could be an underlying reason
Skykids don’t seem to have the same anatomical composition as actual humanoids, so therefore they may not be organic and not have DNA similar to what humans have, so they couldn’t be albino.
Perhaps it’s just design choice, perhaps there’s no scientifically reason, but it is interesting to think about.

[hoary lintel]

I have no idea, I saw someone else ask in genchat and was genuinely curious ! So I figured I'd ask you guys

[nimble ingot]

yes. It is a bit sad to see the presence of the Little Prince faded to an echo of their first presence. Almost like the realms are cursed to repeat time. And with the Little Prince himself not present in the realms in the loop. The realm compensates with a ghostly echo of the child.

I find it a bit funny thinking about skykids telling younger skykids about the little prince wearing green and had blonde hair. And the young ones would ask how would they know that.

[compact shale]

I hope he will come back for a p2 season /hj

[nimble ingot]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

What is Skykid hair made of? Is it candle wax? 🕯️

[native galleon]

YES that's the one

[flint swan]

It’s a bit funny because directly after I finished the season’s events, I rushed to my nearest library to read the book, and was surprised to see my little princey boi was… green?? I now know it’s because I joined sky a bit late (post-season of remembrance) and didn’t get to see his live version

[nimble ingot]

did a message get nuked?

[hoary lintel]

Yeah mine,, I forgot the shortened positive tonetag gets eaten by the censor😭

[compact shale]

use /p instead :D

[orchid jolt]

Green? He's blue!

[nimble ingot]

rip 💀
May the bobbit feast on the skybot for their greed for lore sins. (Bot: This is a joke!)

[hoary lintel]

/p is the tonetag for platonic, so it gets a bit confusing for me😭 Thank you tho !!

[compact shale]

I didn't know that!
/positive might work for you then?

[flint swan]

When the season debuted, he was green, but now for some reason, he’s blue.

[native galleon]

lol I started way after tlp but i knew what he looked like in the book, now I'm picturing the younger skykids being like "wait, how did i know that"

[orchid jolt]

Oh, I thought you were saying he turned green after the season ended when he really turned blue like a spirit. Lol

[hoary lintel]

That's so silly ! /positive

And I think it does make a little sense, considering some wax types are very moldable ! And Sky wax seems to have it's own rules

[compact shale]

Because of copyright, sadly :(

[native galleon]

/posi works as well!

[orchid jolt]

What about just "/+" ?

[hoary lintel]

I was a bit nervous to jump in here, usually other games lore chats are so mean..😭 You guys are super awesome, I feel very welcome here

[flint swan]

Aw, dang. The copyright system kind of sucks. The original novel is, like, 50+ years old also??
Also, wouldn’t TGC need permission anyways to use the little Prince? How could they get copyrighted if they had permission?

[nimble ingot]

Fun fact: The Little Prince became a blue ghostly smurf (/j) becuase when the collab ended.
The Little Prince character belongs to the writers of the book. While TGC could have the character in the game for the collab. Once it ended, the copyright made it the character needed to change.
We can still see it is the Little Prince, even though it is not Le Petit Prince ™

[orchid jolt]

They're mean?!?! Why? Is it, like, arguments about the lore?

[compact shale]

You still need copyright in France.
Also there's an Exupery estate and TLP brand for this stuff.

[earnest briar]

Prince: Hey do you know any good places to A S C E N D
Krill: See that mountain?
Prince: Yeah?
Krill: Go there.
Prince: Thank you, kind burnt shrimp.

[flint swan]

All of us, in the distance:
“NONONO DONT GO THERE NO STOP”

[hoary lintel]

Yeah, and also having insults hurled at you if you didn't know something about the lore

[orchid jolt]

Despite my game crashing in the starlight desert whenever I looked towards the Eden mountain during the season (and this preventing me from completing the second to last quest) I still was able to get the sword pants

[flint swan]

(Laughs in Nintendo switch player) /j

[earnest briar]

I love how the Prince just immediately started hiking up the mountain. He could have gone through the Vault but he wanted to take the long way and I love him for it. He's way squishier than us and can't even fly but he made it to and through Eden without a scratch (until he got statued at least). Honestly I think the Krills in Eden left him alone both out of awe and fear of this weird blond French kid.

[flint swan]

His plot armor finally gave up lol 💀

[sharp lichen]

That’s weird, are the green overalls copyrighted or something?

I guess I like spirit prince better

[orchid jolt]

I used support and talked to customer service multiple times (had to ask them not to close the conversation) and eventually they agreed to take 200 candles directly from my account and give me the sword pants.

[sharp lichen]

I wonder how funny it would be to have a new player do the TLP quests without knowing it’s a crossover

[inland cliff]

it's literally not a canon event for him to go to eden

[flint swan]

Naw I couldn’t save my princey boi if I wanted to?? 😭😭

[orchid jolt]

I mean, a straight line is the shortest route. The vault could be a longer way tbh

[hoary lintel]

When I first started playing, I didn't know it was a crossover at the beginning😭 I wasn't a tlp kid

[orchid jolt]

I mean, there is another prince who may one day be able to canonically be saved

[flint swan]

Good point, however lore wise, Alef may have played a role in the destruction of Eden, so I don’t know if I’d trust that guy, he looks shady

[hoary lintel]

Who's Alef?

[inland cliff]

that prince could've meet all the spirit in the starlight desert while still alive and heck even the pilot

[flint swan]

A skykid like us, who lived during the time when eden wasn’t a hellscape, may or may not have helped the eden elder destroy it

[hoary lintel]

Oh wow, I had no idea

[orchid jolt]

Not confirmed to be a skykid btw

[hoary lintel]

Is there a YouTube channel that you guys can recommend that speaks on the lore? Or even a podcast type thing, just something I can listen to in the background to learn about Sky lore while I do my daily things

[orchid jolt]

Compilation by Kamilico.

[inland cliff]

@Definetly not bea
they do sky creature analysis video and much more !

[sharp lichen]

There’s my video about the Season of Shattering: #promote-your-sky-content message

[compact flower]

do you think rangers spirit is up there cause thats their favorite view of the valley and they had died up there

[lavish wind]

is the concept art for the story of sky canon?

[obsidian inlet]

Do you guys think the masks some ancestors wear are more spiritual representations of their face and personality instead of actual masks?

Masks do play an important part in their culture but few wear like actual masks masks. Many masks from ancestors seem to more represent their faces in my opinion. Thoughts?

[lavish wind]

no, i feel like they may have worn these in life. i can see mask-wearin possibly have been an optional custom. perhaps masks were given between loved ones, gifted, crafted, customized, or passed down for cultural, sentimental, and other such reasons.

i can see refusin a mask is social fuax pas, and purposefully damagin or destroyin a mask that was given to you is taboo.

season of passage seems to put emphasis on the earnin and recievin of masks possibly even bein a rite of passage for some communities, as a way of fully initiatin or recognizin a milestone or member of said community.

and ancestor spirits giftin you their cosmetics, especially their masks is a grave honor and a mark that this spirit appreciates, cherishes, trusts, or even loves you, as it passes on the custom of passin down masks as an important social custom, and continues the cycle.

as it signifies the bond between two individuals. but that's jus my speculation.

[lavish wind]

also, i do wonder if ancestor spirits can linger after their memory is relived... or are they forced to "pass on"? we see many instances of this in the seasonal spirits after the final quest is complete... and not goin into eden spoilers, i'll leave that tangent alone...

what allows them to "return" as travelin spirits? what makes them a "travelin spirit"? why is there a time limit if not for game purposes?

bc that makes it rather depressin for the skykids that bond and possibly become adopted by these ancestors. yes, i am aware of "permanent" spirits such as guides, the dream theatre spirits, and possibly season of rememberance... how does that factor in a spirit's ability to linger? is it a choice? is it against their wishes if they wish to stay?

i guess i mean in-universe, and not as a game mechanic or feature.

[reef fulcrum]

I think it has to do with spacetime.

With death effectively separating your soul from physicality, the Ancestor Spirits, especially, aren't forced to experience time, one frame at a time, in order. The way we mortals do. They can exist all across spacetime and travel to experience all of the beauty in the universe. We only get to trade with them, when they decide to visit the moments in the timeline in which we live and play.

[lavish wind]

hm. possibly. never heard of this "spacetime" thing in canon.

[reef fulcrum]

"made of Light" comes up a lot.

Makes me think very deeply about photons, and what it would mean for Lifeforms to be Photon-Based, rather than Carbon-Based.

[lavish wind]

hm... also, how does that make a skykid's soul different? where did skykids come from to even be considered "descendents", unless it's merely symbolic. because i thought we learn in isle of dawn that we're born of stars and light? where did the ancestors come from then?

why can skykids ||be reborn|| but ancestors cannot? are skykids constructs?

[sharp lichen]

Much like how Skykids can come back after going to orbit, so can spirits.

Spirits are a bit different, but things like seasonal guides and traveling spirits show that they probably use home as a descending platform like us

[lavish wind]

hm...

then why do we regain our bodies, and they don't?

[sharp lichen]

The Ancestors and Skykids ultimately сone from the same matter, they’re just made of different things. The Ancestors can affect the world and build civilizations, but they easily die. Skykids can’t really build anything, but they can live forever. It’s a trade-off that comes with staying with the light (Skykids) versus straying away from it and doing your own thing (spirits)

[lavish wind]

hm.

[reef fulcrum]

My interpretation is that our souls are effectively seperate from the photons and matter that make up our bodies. Seperate from anything that can be measured or quantified with human science.

Our souls are the souls of reincarnated Ancestors, but not all of the Ancestors have chosen to reincarnate into Skids yet.

[lavish wind]

but do ancestors actually reincarnate into skykids? where is that written or confirmed?

[reef fulcrum]

It's not, afaik

[lavish wind]

okay, then it's jus a theory/headcanon.

[sharp lichen]

It’s best to assume everything said here is a theory unless stated otherwise, to avoid having to say “in my opinion” all the time

[lavish wind]

which does draw back to one of my prior questions, what makes sky children descendents of ancestor spirits?

[reef fulcrum]

I'm just basing it from the definition of the word "ancestor", and assuming that the Spirits used to.have bodies before they... Began to travel.

[lavish wind]

before they died, lmao.

[sharp lichen]

I’m wondering if ancestors and descendants are not literal meanings but rather symbolic, like passing it down

[inland cliff]

they did have bodies but definitely more different than human body/smh

[lavish wind]

i do like to think skychildren were either created by megabird or ancestors managed to break off pieces of themselves to "spawn" sky children from starlight.

not exactly "reincarnate".

[reef fulcrum]

"do" or "did"?

Absolutely.

[sharp lichen]

Man the slowmode is killing us all

[reef fulcrum]

"managed to" something something about Darkstone, and the Crystal in Eden. Dying the way they did was potentially the only way they could have evolved into the bodies we now inhabit.

[native galleon]

Skykids share properties of both ancestors and light creatures. One of the properties we share with light creatures is that we can be reborn through Eden like them, whereas ancestors could not. I think when ancestors died, their spirits could be ascended, but not their bodies. Light creatures, on the other hand, get reborn because both their souls and their bodies pass through orbit with them.

[reef fulcrum]

I wrote this awhile ago, but it kinda explains my thoughts rn.
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[lavish wind]

or maybe it's because of how "light" works in this game. light cannot be destroyed.

[inland cliff]

Being spirit ain't that bad, they got the 100% noclip pass

[lavish wind]

my message got ate

i was tryna speculate about how spirits can interact with corporeal items, create/manifest "spirit" objects, and touch skykids.

[reef fulcrum]

Does this also apply the Manta in the beginning of the Graveyard? The one who always gets clutched by the first Krill. Or does his sentience simply cease to exist as his body and soul are devoured?

[reef fulcrum]

"Memories" look at how other Spirits during Relived Memories appear more hollow and transparent. You're only seeing ("holographically") the things the Spirits remember seeing.

[lavish wind]

also, I wonder what krill used to be.... as well as that season of abyss "kriller whale", as i affectionately call it.

[lavish wind]

..... so how did the treehouse get created tangibly if they're jus holograms borne of memory?

[reef fulcrum]

I think the going bet rn is that Krill were the same creatures as the Eel who swims throughout treasure reef. Something about counting the eyes, and the placement of fins.

[lavish wind]

i have this theory that they weren't creatures of light, but actually those fallen in whatever war plagued the golden wasteland and durin the corruption and fall of eden.

and krills targetin light creatures is their way of "reclaimin what they lost"? idk, i jus like to think that.

[reef fulcrum]

Skykids built it in their Honor, while communicating with the Spirits in their "current" form. The treehouse isn't a memory, but the Guide and the Spirits he travels with, visiting the Realms for a Season, to pass on their wishes.

[sharp lichen]

My theory is the Skykids built them

And additions like the Days of Sunlight camp

[lavish wind]

.... also i do wonder who the eden elder was canonically?

[inland cliff]

krill could be some form of gone-wrong experiment

Or a manta that has got drained lights so much that they become pure darkness, eternally finding lights ?

[sharp lichen]

The Eden Elder found in the murals in Eden, the season of Prophecy murals, the final part of the Vault cutscene, and in concept art. We don’t directly see them in-game, but they still seemingly had (or have) a large influence

There’s also a heavy amount of symbolism with the Eden Elder:

[lavish wind]

I also theorize the giant red shard at Eden is actually what they became.

[lavish wind]

hm. this all is jus concept/scrapped art. well, most of it.

[sharp lichen]

In the final Shattering memory we also see a star that looks like the King falling into the giant red diamond

[inland cliff]

i crave for the Eden halos tiara

[sharp lichen]

True, but some parts of the concept art did carry over in some respects

[native galleon]

ooh i'm so glad you asked! krills seem to have the ability to devour light, so yeah, my headcanon is pretty much that. (cw for dark depressing theory ahead as well as mentions of gore, be warned)
||for light creatures, since they're made almost entirely of light, I would think they do get basically consumed by darkness, never to be reborn because there's pretty much nothing left. for ancestors, i would think the krills do something more akin to ripping out the spirit and devouring its light, similar to what they do with wl but the ancestors don't have multiple souls' worth of light energy to fall back on. their bodies are left as empty husks (like the ones in the wasteland segments of the concert) and if their spirits are ever found again, they're dimmed and/or corrupted beyond recognition, and would have to wander around looking for light for a very very long time before even having any hope of ascending.||
So has anyone tried the chicken? I think the chicken tastes lovely /ref

[lavish wind]

||krill bein those who lost their light and souls corrupted durin the fall of eden and war ||

[native galleon]

I don't think that's what they are to begin with, but I could see ||the dark remains being absorbed into the krills, just like the waste left over from draining creatures pollutes and corrupts the surrounding environment|| yeah

[lavish wind]

jus my twisted heacanon :b

[native galleon]

just putting this old theory of mine out there bc i think it could work similarly to this, even though the original theory is probably wrong #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[native galleon]

welcome 2 my twisted mind /j i just like weird horror tropes

[reef fulcrum]

That star seems like it's being split down the middle, at least from one side... I've been looking at it the same as the star that splits when we lose a WL. It seems to me like the Light in the Crystal dying in that moment.

But... Considering the direction of the lighting, and the way it looks almost like a deformed crown from the "front"... I'm not at all sure about this.

[lavish wind]

also, do seSons happen in the present or is it jus a guide gatherin spirits who never fufilled their life goals?

and what the heck happened at treasure reef? what society lived there once? what's up with the krills and kriller whale?

[sharp lichen]

I think the seasonal quests happen in the presents, but the spirits and area were in the past

So the treasure reef got darkness in the past, but it’s still here now

[hoary lintel]

I saw someone theorize that big boy (what I call king krill / kriller whale) is the original form of krills, but krill were tainted / corrupted further during the fall of Eden. I personally really like that idea

[orchid jolt]

You might want to credit Kamilico btw (I haven't asked them if they would prefer that people credit them when posting it tho)

[orchid jolt]

A bit less than half of it is from the actual game. I'd say its a decent amount from the game itself. I will add that there are MANY more examples of the prince/king/Eden elder symbols in the world of sky that aren't as obvious and so weren't put on the compilation (if they were, it might get too hard to see any individual image. I can send some images of them if you'd like btw

[reef fulcrum]

I actually have a deeper question about Treasure Reef, and how it relates to the Forgotten Ark... I might take some time to type it though...

[hoary lintel]

I would personally love to see them !

[orchid jolt]

heres some from the shop (all very similar but with some variations) (some of these are in the shop only during the yearly days of nature event btw)

Im also including versions that I edited to remove the stuff from the middle (wasnt able to do it for the one with the shoulder turtle prop though)

[keen shore]

yeah

[reef fulcrum]

So... In Treasure Reef, there are buildings amd Minecarts underwater, as if the area used to be dry, and subsequently Flooded. While the Forgotten Ark sits in the middle of a dried-out Basin, as if the area was once flooded under a lake, or part of the Ocean; which subsequently drained or evaporated.

At first, it seems like the ocean just moved over like... Let's just take the whole ocean, and PUSH IT somewhere else, lol. Which is silly enough on it's own, but it gets vertically weirder.

Because the Reef is accessed from a Boat to the Left in the Entrance Lobby in GW. Alternatively, you can get pulled WAY DOWN the vortex, and access the Ark from a boat to left down there in the "Broken Temple" room (I think it's called).

So did the Ocean not only translate sideways, but also FALL UP the cliff to the level of Treasure Reef?

[nimble ingot]

The Forgotten Ark was a flying ship, though it can float on water.

[reef fulcrum]

But the environment there very strongly seems like a basin where water has receded from.

[lavish wind]

personally, i think Treasure Reef may have been a minin island that was reclaimed by the ocean. Maybe it's actually connected to the Crab Fields ship?

[reef fulcrum]

There's another boat in the pit in the back-right corner, and the farm can easily be interpreted as an afterthought; essentially built after the water washed away.

[hoary lintel]

Could you explain a bit further how these circles connect to the Eden king and prince? Or direct me to a post about it?

[lavish wind]

also, i wonder what the war was about... was it a civil war? it involved krills and opposin ancestors, so it def involved ancestors fightin each other

[reef fulcrum]

I considered that. The possibility that the Reef sank rather than flooded. But the water level is what begs the question of vertical coordination. Doesn't really matter if the Reef is or is not exactly where it was before.

[orchid jolt]

There's also these (headphones are ios exclusive unfortunately, there are days of rainbow headphones that are similar with a slightly different version of the prince symbol though)

[hoary lintel]

This is so cool

[lavish wind]

That's why I left it vague when I said "reclaimed by the ocean." could've sank. could've been flooded. could've been shifted by plate tectonics or an earthquake. maybe magic? who knows?

[hoary lintel]

HAHAAHHAAH WHY DID THAT GET EATEN

[lavish wind]

lmao

[nimble ingot]

...

Bot!!!
I beg of you, explain thy self!

Why on earth would an iconic ship that sunk because of an iceberg be a trigger word!!!???

[hoary lintel]

Maybe bc of the recent incident? idk but watching that message get eaten was way funnier than it should have been

[lavish wind]

..... recent incident?

[orchid jolt]

you know the glowing child in the season of prophecy murals? thats the sky prince (NOT petit prince). the prophecy symbol is the sky prince symbol. The sky prince and the sky king are one and the same, just before and after rising to power basically. The eden elder is the sky king/prince. the diamond thing on top of the bell on the eden realm portal gate at home represents the sky prince. The symbol we see when we deep call that guides us towards eden is also likely the sky prince, sort of like how when an anonymous unlit person deep calls you might see a diamond symbol that can guide you in the direction to where they are. a decent chunk of the concept art depicts the sky prince/king with either a diamond mask, diamond overlapping diamond/square mask, or some kind of compass rose like mask

[nimble ingot]

You know what

🛳️ + 🧊

[orchid jolt]

there was enough room on that door!

[lavish wind]

.... i mean, sure. recent enough.

also, how do we know the eden elder really is the king/prince?

[nimble ingot]

Because they were the only elders in the concept art that were scrapped.
And Eden is the only realm without an Elder

[hoary lintel]

OHHHH THAT'S SO COOL

[orchid jolt]

because those characters are meant to be the same. when the devs do mention them they talk as though they are the same. the concept art treats them the same. what else is the sky king supposed to be the elder of?

[lavish wind]

hm. i guess it's up to us unless tcg makes any concrete statements.

[hoary lintel]

Most of Sky lore is left open ended intentionally, so it's safe to assume any discussion of lore here unless stated otherwise isn't "canon", and the canon in Sky is very loose

[lavish wind]

yeah.

[keen shore]

it’s a really weird pickle of a name situation. Essentially, in concept art, the king and prince and Eden elder are all the same person, right? and when people started trying to figure out lore about them, before prophecy, there wasn’t that much, so they drew largely from concept art and kept the same name assumption going. Now, there is more information in the game that differs wildly from concept art (meaning it’s no longer a reliable source) and whether you can call the Eden elder a prince or king in the traditional sense of the word(s) is up to debate, but for convenience many people tend to use the name anyways just because that’s the one most of the fanbase knows and so it makes it obvious they’re talking about the same person.

[orchid jolt]

it's a commonly believed theory that the glowey boi we hug at the end of eden is the sky prince as well.

(i personally prefer the idea that it is ourselves though
#lore-discussion-spoilers message )

[hoary lintel]

I personally believe the Sky king/prince are in-game, Sky just isn't as obvious with it as with other elders because Eden fell

[nimble ingot]

(For the bot's information. The ice ship word was acceptable not 2 months ago. Unless there is a mistake, it is frustrating to type theories or messages while hoping that they dont end getting snipped for whatever reason. Common trigger words are understandable. However, playing copy/paste/edit chicken or word based minesweeper is surely not a fun pass time for either the user or mod.)

[keen shore]

I think the general perception changed to it being ourselves a while ago, but limbo is so up to interpretation that it can change depending on the angle you look at it

[lavish wind]

i like to think it's us reunitin with our light so we can pass on, and be reborn.

i like to think the eden elder is the one elder that cannot be reached solely because of the nature of their demise/fate. i personally like to think the giant eye-shard is the elder's remains.

[orchid jolt]

yes, and, i mean, princes do become kings irl so that part tracks pretty well (ignoring them being referred to by completely different hebrew letters in concept art tho)

[orchid jolt]

i mean, the devs did kind of state that the eden elder is canon to the sky world

[keen shore]

I meant both prince/king labels are part of the pickle, sorry for mistyping earlier

[nimble ingot]

(am going to take a break. Sorry for the mini-tantrum over a word)

[hoary lintel]

OOOOO !! I also personally prefer that it is ourselves as well sort of ! This is my personal interpretation #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[orchid jolt]

personally i prefer the idea that we are still trying to help someone, anyone, but we can only reach one person after we've turned into a statue, ourselves.
But there's definitely an aspect of duality to it!

[lavish wind]

also, i have a hc that ascended/befriended ancestors helps comfort and guide the skykid into the transition into their rebirth in orbit.

personally my skykid is adopted by doublefive lightseeker (doublefive dad)

[hoary lintel]

This is also super cool, I love the idea of it being the prince as well !

[orchid jolt]

i had a whole giant think about it from a while ago. i can send a link to a message that links to messages with evidence for it being us and links to a discussion had about it and links to a message that further links to a whole discussion about why I'd prefer that it is us.

[lavish wind]

(other spirits that have adopted them are frantic stagehand, wounded warrior, bereft veteran, prophet of fire, wasteland elder, vault elder, prairie elder, and chill sunbather. yes, i know. a boatload of family)

[hoary lintel]

Yes please, I'd love to read it ! Also if you have anymore info on the King / Prince of Eden you can hurl it at me anytime, I'm super fixated on them rn

[sharp lichen]

There's a widely held theory that the star falling down at the very top of the final shattering memory is the King/Prince

[hoary lintel]

This is so cute tho, I love it ! If my skykid was adopted by ascended spirits, it would have to be Wounded Warrior, Leaping Dancer, and the Isle Elder (Do Elders count? They do in my heart)

[orchid jolt]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[orchid jolt]

used to be an oob that kinda looked like a giant prince/king/eden elder/etc symbol in an older version of the orbit castle

https://youtu.be/724Fd53mzPY

it seems that the person who made the video also included some of their headcanon in it btw

[hoary lintel]

Tysm !!!

[orchid jolt]

oh, also the symbol you can see in the closet with the chibi mask is also similar to the prince symbol, this one especially, but without the diagonal or middle dots

[orchid jolt]

[hoary lintel]

Oh I see it

[orchid jolt]

Honestly, its like the second half of the prophecy symbol thats needed to make the sky call symbol with the 4 dots

[nova meadow]

I agree with the top bit of your message- The light guy that we hug changes height with us, if I’m wearing chibi mask it will appear as a chibi too. So I think it’s a reflection of self, in a way

[orchid jolt]

i forgot to mention the ascetic monk's hair piece from this season
(image from the sky wiki) thats a pretty apparent prince reference

[nova meadow]

We have such similar theories! I like to think that skykids are a rebirth species, and some of the older ones lived to see the spirits before they died. The skykids rebirth, while the spirits stay in orbit, so a lot of older skykids have orbit as their only chance to visit their friends again.
Meanwhile, the spirits still guide younger skykids

[hoary lintel]

Omg it 100% is,, That opens up so many questions now

[nova meadow]

Maybe the prince had a religious following

[lavish wind]

doubefive dad, my beloved

[timber crown]

Hmm, has anyone else noticed there are no candles and no darkness in prairie peaks but is also the only place to still have ore. Almost like the untouched nature of the area keeps away darkness and death

[reef fulcrum]

This is closer to my belief.

There was some conversation a while ago that much of the Ancestors society existed before the Prince/King, so to me; it seems a little redundant to attribute him with every Diamond/Star-Shaped image in the art and architecture.

I'm much more leaning towards it being a Religious Symbol having to do with Light and Stars. Thereby, the Prince was crowned with the Emblem as a Saint or Savior or other kind of Holy Person. Not necessarily thay the Emblem represents Alef, but the people who followed him believed his Light represented their Theism.

[soft citrus]

Hi lore chat!, me and my friends are planning to make some animations about our skykids living adventures in sky, and we thought about adding the village (from proyect aviary), that would have some places to hang out and eat like a cafe and a school where the spirits would teach the skykids about the story of sky and things like that, it's just an idea because it's not out yet, and i'm not sure if schools or even hospitals could work in sky, so what do you guys think?

[compact shale]

We have not seen a school in the Sky world yet. Closest thing to an educational setting is maybe the Passage(s) but we haven't seen anything like a school in the conventional sense.

[nimble ingot]

That is fantastic

for healing (hospital) you can look to light whisperer (season of flight) and seed of hope spirit (season of aurora) for ideas. As well as tea brewer spirit from season of Remebrance.

Schooling has not been exactly shown in the game (that I am aware of). However we do have a season that is somewhat like the scouts, or summer camp called Season of Assembly.
Supposed that drama or acting be a school, then season of Performance.

Although, you are welcome to explore the theme and add you and your friend's own flare to the lore.
The lore of Sky is open to interpretation and with it, the Sky is the limit (pun intended) lol

[soft citrus]

Tysm!

[nimble ingot]

Why does this remind me of this trick creatures do to make it look like they have eyes behind them so that predators cannot tell where the back is to attack /j

[south saddle]

sorry for interrupting your conversation (AND SORRY FOR THE PARAGRAPH) but im trying to make a point to a friend about canonical ways of powering stuff- I said the obvious 'pretty much the only way is power diamonds, using the light from light creatures' and they replied something akin to 'thats stupid, why would you immediately jump to juicing light creatures. you could burn candles and candle wax and use their light instead'
am I really being dumb and using candles for power is feasible or would power diamonds still be the only good source
(this all stemmed from a joke about how cars would work in sky)

[nimble ingot]

you are ok lol

[native galleon]

grown ups ancestors are strange

[south saddle]

true but I don't think a flame would help with powering a whole entire car so in this context my point still stands I think

[nimble ingot]

It has been theorised that diamonds would be forged with light creatures. Even though we have no concrete proof of this in the game. The evidence we gathered from concept art, in game details and season details were used to piece the idea together.

As for powering up the diamonds, they are like batteries. They hold a certain amount of power (light) and seemingly store this for a good amount of time (or at times quickly lose charge. Depending on the situation in the game).
Skykids can easily power these diamonds (glowing blue to yellow to imply a charge). Which would suggest the candle method.

I would imagine that a skykid's flame behaves differently to a normal one. As a normal candle can cleanse darkness, and this makes me think they are possibly akin to Holy Candles. Or more like the skykids' flame is not just a mere flame, but a Light Flame (connected to the celestial or holy domain).

Hope this helps.

[native galleon]

but to answer your question, firelight seems like it’s only able to do so much, the power diamonds allow it to be used in versatile ways like making boats fly or storing memories for example

[south saddle]

okay thank you

[nimble ingot]

Just a thought about the car joke.

We do have a car in the office that acts like a chat bench. But it only works as such with a candle stuck right on its bonnet XD
Therefore, in a roundabout way, your joke would be correct in that context.

[south saddle]

oh, true-

[native galleon]

so while yes, it is silly to use them for light when a regular flame can already do that, to achieve other things the power diamonds would be necessary

[nova meadow]

That's interesting, I never thought of it that way!
To make a real world connection, the name Alef (and other elder names) are all letters from the Hebrew alphabet, Hebrew being a language spoken in a very religious country

[thick bobcat]

Yeah, also I noticed the crystals there have light and when we go close to it they glow brighter similar to the mushrooms and parie peaks is the only place we see them

[sharp lichen]

Yes, the diamond shape is so important in Sky it probably has more than one meaning

[vestal pine]

Definitely, diamond shapes can also represent innovation and advancement through the forest elder’s headpiece. The hidden forest sorta marks the kingdom’s first Industrial Revolution, when ancient power was first discovered and power diamonds were used in all sorts of structures. Adding onto that, a shattered or cracked diamond can communicate corruption when technology is overcome by darkness. Which is seen with the shattering season pendant, maybe even the cracked abyss masks since they have lit power diamonds on the forehead.