lore-discussion-spoilers

[tough sky]

That's what I thought
I wanted to be sure there wasn’t anything else like we see when new spirits are announced nowadays with the fun facts about them

[rigid iron]

I wish it's a shame they didn't start doing spirit intros earlier

[tough sky]

And with guides it means we might never learn more about their personality

[hushed steeple]

“Bees has fallen upon the cave of prophecies”

The King:
PESTICIDES!!!!!!

[median onyx]

Cats getting stung by bees = jawline gains >>>

[earnest briar]

Maybe that's why Isle became a desert, without any pollinator insects all the plants died.

[hushed steeple]

The wild life may die but the bugs ALWAYS come back!/hj

[empty belfry]

Yo, lore chat, this question randomly popped into my head last night: do sky kids have bones?

[earnest briar]

no lol

[empty belfry]

They definetly aint got vertebrae(?) Most flying creatures dont

[hushed steeple]

You mean invertebrates?

Technically Sky kids would have an exoskeleton.

[empty belfry]

Why does this thought terrify me. Im imagining them like crabs 😭

[hushed steeple]

If this were to be true then Sky kids are invertebrates.

[empty belfry]

Mmmh fair fair.

My friend says theyre made of pure light but they interact with the world physicslly so i dont really enjoy that theory. I think theyre a bit more like birds or something with hollow bones i suppose?

[hushed steeple]

Which would be strange since they’re kinda like a human equivalent.
And all mammals are vertebrates.

[keen shore]

Reading this message made me freeze in place and then stare, horrified, out the window

[empty belfry]

Heres another bit of thought, sky kids have front facing eyes. Sky kids are predators.

[hushed steeple]

IT SHOULD!
This is why I don’t like the theory that sky kids don’t have bones even though many other light creatures do!

[empty belfry]

Sky kids just seem to defy logic, tbh,

[tough sky]

That thought is absolutely terrifying

But I don’t think they need to eat

[hushed steeple]

So are mantas, whales, Ouppies, fish, and ancestors.

[empty belfry]

They might, actually. Sky kids can be observed eating in a couple places

[hushed steeple]

That’s right, we don’t know what they do when we’re not playing.

[empty belfry]

Mantas are a bit of an odd case, though. Mantas eyes face upwards moreso that front.

[icy wing]

Hmm maybe the "mortal form" sky kids chose is just meant to be human or something?

[hushed steeple]

But manta rays eat plankton, specifically small crustaceans and sometimes fish.

[empty belfry]

Humanoid, yeah. Its just crazy to think that sky kids are meant to be predatory creatures

[icy wing]

Yeah I wouldn't think they are. More so their chosen form emulates predatory creatures

[pastel brook]

Using emulators is against the Sky TOS, @icy wing. Please don’t use or discuss emulators here.

[empty belfry]

Todays sky lore debate: do sky kids eat

[hushed steeple]

Attention seeker!

[tough sky]

Saying that skykids emulate predatory creatures triggered Skybot

Edit: I should have seen it coming...

[pastel brook]

Using emulators is against the Sky TOS, @tough sky. Please don’t use or discuss emulators here.

[icy wing]

Skybot shush it's a word in the English language

I think skids can eat but don't need to

[empty belfry]

They would need to take in energy somehow though. Perhaps they just eat sunlight? Like plants. Maybe sky kids just photosynthesize(?)

[hushed steeple]

Ok, but then there’s another question, how would a sky kid hunt?

[icy wing]

Wait that's actually given me a thought

Perhaps they use a system similar to photosynthesis that transforms light or "wax" into energy? We know that the candle we hold out comes from us so maybe that's the source of our energy

[hushed steeple]

They’re light based life forms, they may not need sustenance.
But then again, many light creatures have mouths.

[tough sky]

Same

We see them eating with the picnic table of days of Bloom so they can

Maybe they eat wax (I know it's a fan term but that's the same thing, also thinking they can eat candles is really funny)

[empty belfry]

True. Im thinking theyre more like early ocean lifeforms that converted sunlight directly into energy. I dont remember the process of it but perhaps when i skykid needs energy and nutrients and such they just sit out under the sun. It would expkain why rain is so dangerous.

[icy wing]

Again, I honestly cannot see sky kids hunting (the thought is mildly terrifying). I think it's more of the chosen form they use and it's a humanoid one

[hushed steeple]

For the sake of the children, yes.

[tough sky]

Sometimes we have debates about corruption, darkness and light
And sometimes we have debates about whether or not skykids hunt or eat

[empty belfry]

Perhaps yeah, but from what they looks like, sky kids look more like are hard surface, like what Esther suggested, an exoskeleton. Which means it would be difficult to morph their shape.

[hushed steeple]

Does this mean skids can undergo crustanization?

[tough sky]

I don't think THEY choose how they look
But something chose this form probably because it is close to the ancestors

I want to think that they are made out of clay but I believe their skin can change colour depending on the clothes we have which makes it a bit strange
But we don’t know what clay is like in the world of Sky

[empty belfry]

Sky kids are such a mystery, honestly.

[hushed steeple]

Maybe it’s quartz or tapas or something?

[tough sky]

Also
Why do some ancestors have capes if they couldn't fly

Because they can give you one and it works juste like the default cape

[icy wing]

Yeah that's more so what I was going for. Whoever or whatever sent skids chose this form (and we know it's not flesh because of the noise we make when we fly headfirst into a rock)

Also back to eating, grandma actually provides wax as food, further lending credibility to the possibility of a photosynthesis like system

Eating is probably possible because of the humanoid form sky kids have, but due to their nature is unnecessary

[hushed steeple]

Cause capes are cool.

[tough sky]

I like to eat even when I'm not hungry

It might be the same for Skykids

[empty belfry]

I personally belive ancestors are like, essentially sky kids that lost their light and got detached from their physical body.

[hushed steeple]

I can’t stand food when I’m full, makes me sick.

[icy wing]

My Filipino family and myself has a really funny mindset when we go to buffets (the steorotype is real to an extent lmao) so eating is possible even when full

[tough sky]

I think it's the other way around
Skykids are reincarnated ancestors given a new body and light (the narrator at the beginning says that you are back)

[empty belfry]

Mmh. I dont focus much on early game lore, i usually for gw

Speaking of which, gw proves that you can infact die(sort of) without reaching orbit in the game.

[tough sky]

That's the very first sentence of the game and we can't see it again

I have the french version with me so I'll translate it again
"Finally, you are back into this world. Remember my child, our light is a gift."

There might be a different nuance in the original version

[tough sky]

I mean you can die in the forest if you do like I did and forget you're under the rain...

[icy wing]

I think you're talking about this?

[empty belfry]

Yes, but i mean in wastes, the war ravaged area has a ton of those eden statues.

[icy wing]

Wasteland is scary :c I'm seeing extremely enlarged versions of shrimp I see in the market with mild skin and anger issues

On that note, think there'll be other sky creatures then the nightbird in the new area?

[empty belfry]

Perhaps. Id love t9 see new creatures.

What are krills even made of actually..theyre oversized shrimp so like, arr they edible??

[icy wing]

I think I want to film national geographic style videos of different creatures in sky doing that to a krill will be fun

[icy wing]

Nah they probably have expired and are spoiled

[tough sky]

No
I think this has been removed

Maybe the sentence I said is more recent (I started a new game so I could see those sort of things and wrote it down)

I don't like using removed content but it is really interesting
I had completely forgotten about it

Forgot to put it as a response sorry

[icy wing]

Hmm curious

[tough sky]

The sentence I said is basically the only thing you have before you light the candles and see the murals in isle

[hushed steeple]

I think lore chat once discussed what krill’s or crabs from different areas would taste like once.

[hushed steeple]

There will be ouppies.

[empty belfry]

Forest crab wpuld have a more refreshing taste but wastes would be more salty i think

[hushed steeple]

Prairie would be a bit sweet.
Eden tastes spicy.

[cobalt reef]

Vault tastes like air

[cedar river]

Speaking of crabs. If the flying creatures go to the mega bird to complete their life cycle, how do the crabs get to the mega bird? Don't they have a similar cycle?

[lyric imp]

creatures in sky tend to have bones, even those that shouldn't. however, both ancestors and skids upon death turn into statues, so we never really see what they have inside. although assuming weird hand holding movements and stuff aren't canon, skids seem to have joints, and joints basically imply bones of some kind

[lyric imp]

mind that in sky the line between material and the immaterial is extremely blurry. i suspect darkness plants don't strictly feed on things, but emerge from shadows and darkness. just because skids are made of light doesn't mean they have to be immaterial or can't have bones

[lyric imp]

front facing eyes aren't necessarily used for predation, but for any kind of sophisticated depth perception. an example would be tree-dwelling monkeys which need it to accurately tell the distances of branches. although yeah, i have no clue why sky kids would need sophisticated depth perception. i'm pretty sure they're somehow related to ancestors, for whom the same argument could be made. they, in turn, idk, might have evolved from light apes or sth? probably devs haven't got into that this deep

[lyric imp]

of course they don't. they hunt for fun

[lyric imp]

why do we assume they need to take in energy? while there has been husbandry in sky, i'm not sure we have clear evidence of ancestors having grain fields or anything like that. we don't see anything in sky starve to death i think

[lyric imp]

relive manta whisperer and you'll know

[keen shore]

Scarecrow farmer’s farm is a farm off the top of my head. Angler hunts fish canonically to eat (although the eating aspect is confirmed outside of the game, in their character card). I don’t know if any spirits are confirmed to have starved to death but to be honest considering the type of game Sky is that would be really hard to know. What other food sources, hmm

Dismayed hunter hunts but that doesn’t have to be for food

[lusty merlin]

yaya, imo i feel from their bow and arrow dismayed would hunt for food, (but that could just be me not liking trophy hunting for animals )

[hushed steeple]

THEY HUNT FOR THE ELUSIVE FALLING LEAF!!!!!

[lyric imp]

kind of makes sense. i thought first of the hunter, but then i realised it's the forest and animals have a different use than for food, too

[lyric imp]

and do any of them have mouths without having calls?

[lusty merlin]

could be used for both, doesn't just have to be used for darkstone production

[lyric imp]

could be

i bet devs didn't think that at some point a buch of autistics would overthink some of their most arbitrary design choices in regards to things they have never considered

[keen shore]

autistic Sky cotl fans migrating to this channel like light creature migrating to Eden

[lusty merlin]

funfact but the Valley elders have slight differences in their models thats not just their hair, eyes, and arms
they have different jaw shapes, body types, and even the sticks for their paddles are differnt

aka they're not carbon copies of eachother which i deeply appreciate

[rigid iron]

Love that this is the first thing I see opening this channel

[lyric imp]

here's a basic question: why do we assume what sky creatures are made of in any way resembles what we are used to in our world? we don't ever see corpses of animals other than bones, and sky kids and ancestors seemingly turn into stone rather than terraccota or sth.
and also we have seen color lights create matter out of basically nothing, so possibly sky kids' biology (?) is similar in some functions, but findamentally different

[lusty merlin]

think we don't see direct animal corpses so the game doesn't get a higher age rating

[lyric imp]

which doesn't mean it's definitely not canon

[lyric imp]

although we know they do have heartbeat, which probably implies some kind of circulatory system, which makes sense since we know they need oxygen underwater. though this implies biology more similar to the human one than i initially thought

[lusty merlin]

not suggesting corpses aren't cannon, death is a big theme in sky, just giving a reason of why we probably dont see them ingame and all

[rigid iron]

We do see that one bird become a black husk in the Aurora concert, but I'm not sure if that should be taken literally or if it was for artistic effect

[keen shore]

Thank you for demonstrating my point 💛

[lyric imp]

possibly different groups of animals decompose in different ways. i thought of them decaying rapidly as their biomass dematerialises into light of something, but it's possible that they get trapped in statues like sky kids and ancestors do. i initially suggested against it due to us not really seeing more than bones, while we do see ancestor statues. not sure what to think of the bird

[empty belfry]

I still think its funny jst to imagine sky kids eat sunlight instead of physical food usually. They dont seem to have mouths so theres really do easy way to eat food.

[rigid iron]

Imagine if they're like plankton

[empty belfry]

Actually sky kids dont even have noses...

No mouth or nose. Which makes me wonder how they breathe

[rigid iron]

they have a sooort of nose bridge kind of but we don't know if they actually breathe with it

[frigid tinsel]

Slap those bald heads

[empty belfry]

Mmhh true. But they dont realky have nostrils.

[rigid iron]

to be fair I think the model not having nostrils is for the best

[empty belfry]

Fair acguallg 😭

But sky kid anatomy is so weird. They have a core, which is that glowy thingy and we see that on every sky kid even on the eden statues. Which would mean they most likely have an organ of something humans dont have

Actualoy everything in sky is weird idk what im saying nkt a lot makes sense for the lore lol

[leaden field]

I check this channel every day..💀

[quick jasper]

can confirm except i just lurk and yoink theories and hcs

[round parrot]

Now that I think about it.. how do Skykids play woodwind instruments if they have no mouths?

[hushed steeple]

They might just honk into the instruments

[empty belfry]

How do skykids even produce honking noises?

[hushed steeple]

They make explosions in their heads./j

[frigid tinsel]

possibly related to light since their honks emanate light

[drifting stone]

They can see with their eyes closed Their eyes open when they wear masks, and the eyes are just pure light

[lusty merlin]

DUDEEEE

IM SO GLAD WE GET LIKE MORE OF AN IDEA ON HOW RAW DARKSTONE ACTS

Idk if it’s because we skykids have light, but I find it super interesting it glows like it’s activated. But at the same time it surprisingly doesn’t take out core light directly.

Makes me wonder if whatever we see in in abyss murals was to somhow prolong darkstone activation to be used in boats and stuff, since in the raw version the moment you step away, the darkstones glow is gone

And honesty it tracks since irl we also change the foundation of a material to our conviene, like to find ways to prolong its effect to suit what we need it for

[hushed steeple]

SLEEPY OUPPIES, GAY MOMENT, AND FUNNY MONK ACTION!!??!!?!!
CAN THIS SEASON GET ANY BETTER!!!??!?!!?!

#screenshots-and-videos message
WHAAAAAAATTT!??!!!!???

Also, I am never taking this honk off!!!!!

[rustic glen]

I know next to nothing about cameras, but the ones from this new season don't look like any cameras I've seen in real life. Is there any irl camera that these could be based on?

[rigid iron]

Rolleiflex! It's an old timey camera

here's the type

[cobalt palm]

With the new area actually having a weather and day cycle, and it's the only place with raw darkstone, I wonder if the 2 are linked, those darkstone being used in other realms halted the time from progressing, and constant rain in forest as they have lost their natural darkstone energy. Or its one of the "improvements" that the elders used their light manipulation powers to change.

[tough sky]

Home also has a day and night cycle

Home is weird actually

It feels a bit like Orbit but on the ground instead of in the stars

[cobalt palm]

Yeah, home does feel a little "pocket dimension" like, especially where the gates are built as we make your first journey through the realms

It's also one of the only places you can't access without meditation, other than now the Prince area, Night Coliseum, and Night Isle

[viral bay]

Though with passage night areas it technically isn't meditation, cuz the notice before you meditate is "Do you wanna rest here until nightfall?"

I don't think the realms are frozen in time, though it is weird that every time we enter there it's a fixed time of the day (canon wise, not symbolic wise)

[viral bay]

I also wonder where or what do skykids do when us humans are not online...

Do they just... cease to exist?

[earnest briar]

Good morning lorechat. I have noticed that out of all the Elders, Prairie/Day gets the least attention or discussion here. So! Hit me with your best or favorite headcanons about them, I want to know what you guys think they’re like.

[cobalt palm]

I like to think they go live on their star, and see their friends when they are called to be lit.

[calm bramble]

But they sneeze 🫨🫨

[tepid veldt]

they totally knit
i mean all the elders knit but day especially

[tepid veldt]

i didnt get a photo of it, but the raw darkstone formation is already glowing intensely when the wl isnt picked up. after we pick it up it goes back to the skykid near = glow
which makes sense idk why it would act differently sufjidbfjd

i love this season
the photos are absolutely impeccable and prairie peaks (while it lags my device) is my favorite area of all time
was going to talk about the raw darkstone but tac pretty much summed it up. i thought that jolly geologist’s headpiece was a skull that they just put in their head, but ig its two different parts?
maybe it is a whole skull and im being silly

[earnest briar]

I like to think Jolly Geologist found an animal skull while looking for cool rocks, then Reliable Rancher saw the skull and went 'Yeah, I can make a hat out of this.'

Everyone knows skull hats are the latest fashion trend.

[earnest briar]

Oh you are so right idyll. I bet Day uses Wooly Manta wool and runs a knitting club with Granny.

[tough sky]

And Earth Prophet

[earnest briar]

Why did I not think of them? Thank you Lazuli I now have the mental image of Earth Prophet, Day, and Granny knitting hats and scarves together in preparation for Days of Feast so they can make sure all the Sky Kids can get some and it's adorable.

[tepid veldt]

enzan you are amazing

[tough sky]

I second this

[earnest briar]

Also who do you think puts party hats on the Krills during Sky anniversaries? I remember the first time I saw a Krill in Wasteland wearing a party hat during the 2nd anniversary celebration I genuinely stopped in my tracks in-game because I was so confused. I think it's really funny but still, who's doing it?

[hushed steeple]

I cant join skyyy
I wont be able to seqson this lore’’

[soft timber]

The spirits in the krill zones lol

[native galleon]

i like to imagine they can communicate with elder light creatures, and likes hanging out with them better than the other elders (they still like them tho just not as much)

[sharp lichen]

Sorry for the late reply, but I think they were created from the stars to protect the light.

So I guess a mix of both? I guess it’s more natural, since they were created by the stars, but some could say artificial.

We never see them age, but it’s possible for something else (SKY 2 )to make them age. Even still, they’re really ageless.

In the game, they’re called Children of Light. Skykids are just an abbreviation

That’s a sad thing to think about, but yeah

The spirits ascend to Orbit while the guide stays in the Sky world, fulfilling their duty and watching over the Skykids

Fire Prophet with a laser pointer would become an unstoppable weapon

[sharp lichen]

They can eat for fun, but they don’t have to. Light is their form of “nutrition”

[sharp lichen]

Skykids have winged light, Ancestors presumably didn’t. For the Ancestors, capes were just cool things to put on your back. But Skykids can attach winged light to them and make them fly

[sharp lichen]

In English, it says

“At last, you return to this world. Remember, Child, your light is a gift”

[native galleon]

yk these turret things? those are just giant laser pointers

[sharp lichen]

I guess they just float, similar to Ancestors

[sharp lichen]

They don’t have to, imo, since light is basically their form of oxygen.

[sharp lichen]

I think time is distorted in the Sky world, because of Eden acting like a black hole and warping time around it

[drowsy flare]

Who do you guys think drops a candle from the sky everytime your candle meter fills up? /j /lh

[soft timber]

Our birb mom in Orbit, they blessed us with a candle for our hard work /jk /lh

[cedar river]

I imagine that when their time to expire comes, their shell breaks somehow, they break free as a light, and then they ascend.

[lyric imp]

today i realised that the clay theory is probably incorrect. sky kids have heatbeat, to they probably have some sort of circulatory system and have biology more similar than different to humans

[lyric imp]

how do you think they honk? i suspect they have mouths and vocal cords, but they aren't shown very well

[lyric imp]

krill shriek bubble has the same animation. their call may be related to sound, but the sound bubble is not light, probably

[drowsy flare]

Random thing I just realized: The confident sightseer has the same kinda hair as one of the valley elder's hair, pretty cool xD

[lyric imp]

mind you, the light emited by raw darkstone neither charges us nor takes light away. it may be that its light is visual light, but carries no light or darkness energy. perhaps darkstone dust sucks out light and darkstone infused with light from creatures can be activated

[lyric imp]

wooly manta?

[lyric imp]

valley twins

[lyric imp]

they can drown though, and recover oxygen from bubbles, not necessarily light

[earnest briar]

Oh yeah, Wooly Mantas are a fan thing. They're Mantas but as the name implies, wooly like sheep. They're basically Lorechat's mascot.

[lyric imp]

do they exist? or like pure speculation/invention?

[earnest briar]

I already said they're a fan thing? They don't actually exist in the game.

[lyric imp]

got it

[earnest briar]

But people have made a ton of fanart about them in the Sky server so if you want to find some, I'd suggest #completed-sky-fanart-and-creations.

[lyric imp]

thanks

[desert ridge]

They are the most powerful, I mean we literally witness them create life out of a flame

[gloomy tree]

The crystals in the new area got me thinking about the kids in Eden too hard

[desert ridge]

oh hello again, that does make me wonder how those crystals grow in us. Do they imbed themselves in us at high speeds or do they grow from us when we run out of light?

[lyric imp]

i suspect they grow, similarily to darkness plants. it seems pretty clear by now that sky doesn't obey conservation of mass

[desert ridge]

If we run out of light in the other realms, do we also get crystal imbedded in us?

[earnest briar]

Well it's not really possible to get down to losing WL in other realms unless you decide to sit in the rain for a while in Forest or let yourself get hit by crabs repeatedly.

[deep osprey]

I just realized the crystals in the new area look kinda like the crystals in Eden. Don't know if I'm jumping too far but it's a thought.

[desert ridge]

I dont think we have to lose WL, just lose our flame
I think it just happens that the Eden rocks tear through the flame and the star in a single moment

[earnest briar]

No, when you lose your flame you just get extinguished. I think you have to actively take damage from something like a crab, a Krill, or a shard to get those crystal things on your body.

[lyric imp]

i think i'm about to test this

[desert ridge]

I mean it would make more sense to me if the crystals in eden because they were being physically imbedded into the body due to their speed rather then growing out you know?

[earnest briar]

You aren't, actually! Those appear to be unrefined versions of the power diamonds we see everywhere that power stuff when we give them light. My theory is that the red crystals in Eden are an overcharged and volatile version of that stuff.

[earnest briar]

Except the crystals in Eden aren't blue. They're red. All of the crystals in Eden are red. Crystals don't just change color after hitting something.

[desert ridge]

could be parts of the black wave of stone in the calms before the red storms

[torn eagle]

One theory i saw a few times is that yes they are volatile and full energy and also doing both things darkstone is used for (memory cubes and power diamonds) storing memory while also storing energy

[earnest briar]

How the heck does black equal blue crystals? You're very clearly reaching here.

[desert ridge]

I might be mistaken in this, but in the rains of eden, the rocks are all black but then shatter into red right? also darkstone is mostly black

[hushed steeple]

Time progresses normally all throughout Sky. It simply wasn’t programmed into the game due to the realms being themed after different times of day and possibly also due to the fact that meshes don’t work well with Sky’s shaders.

[earnest briar]

Black does not equal blue, and red does not equal blue. Those are very different colors. It doesn't work in the first area of Eden, it doesn't work in the trek to PNR, and it especially doesn't work in Stormlock. You're reaching so hard you fell off the railing.

[hushed steeple]

Perhaps the shards that rain down on us are incased in stone or something.

[lusty merlin]

Nah some are black shards and some are red, if it’s a red shard they don’t go from black to red

[hushed steeple]

I think I’ve misunderstood what’s happening.

[earnest briar]

Termination thinks the blue crystals that grow out of us when we're injured and losing WL are a result of the crystals being flung around in Eden hitting us and embedding in our skin. Except that can easily be debunked just by looking at the color of the crystals being flung around which are RED, but they're still trying to defend it.

[hushed steeple]

Oh, heavens no!!!
You can get hit by a crab and have the same result!!!
It’s even on the two skid statues outside PNR and blows away with them.
That stuff grows out of our bodies!
Which may have some implications for the true origin of dark stone as well as the ground beneath our feet….

Season of moments is really just Pokémon snap but Sky!!!

[lyric imp]

checked, having your light extinguished, crawling or losing wl doesn't seem to take away your wl. that's the case with polluted water, rain and crabs. i think i might also check krills

[tough sky]

Where did wooly mantas come from exactly? What made their creation happen?

[hushed steeple]

We didn’t know how clothes were made.

[lusty merlin]

Believed an artist drew them and it spread but idk for sure

[tough sky]

So it happened sort of like this?

"What do ancestors use to make clothes?

We don't know. Maybe wooly mantas?"

[lusty merlin]

Possibly yeah

[hushed steeple]

The wooly manta was our head canon to fill in the blank space for the time being.

[desert ridge]

Can I DM you please?

[sharp lichen]

We do see crabs ascending during the Season of Shattering

[earnest briar]

I see Sky Kids as beings of both light and dark. Their souls, their light, is spiritual. While their bodies are physical and use darkness to keep their shape steady, but are only a base while the light is what gives us our appearances. It's why we never see our capes or cosmetics in our shadows when flying, it's because only our actual body is being shown. The blue crystals that grow from us when injured are essentially a form of blood clot to prevent further light loss.

[lyric imp]

checked! you do get covered in crystals when you get krilled in wasteland!

[sharp lichen]

Either that, or Skykid biology is so different from ours that it’s practically unrecognizable

[desert ridge]

Never thought about it that way, but it does make sense
@lyric imp well we do descend from the stars, at the very least our body has to be able to survive re-entry

[lyric imp]

this would complicate things...

[sharp lichen]

That’s true, but fire also needs oxygen to keep itself sustaining. So perhaps they still need oxygen, but they don’t breath it in

[lyric imp]

makes sense

[lyric imp]

well, things in our world burn when they enter the atmosphere and sky kids are immune to fire

[desert ridge]

but point is, they cant be traditionally organic

I mean if fangirl is right, it could bring up some pretty fascinating questions

[tough sky]

Probably not

Now I am also wondering

And the candles actually fire or just light that takes the shape of fire

It can work under the rain in Forest after all

[desert ridge]

which candles are we talking about
ours?

[tough sky]

The ones we take out

But since we use it to light other candles, all of them

[desert ridge]

well all other candles eventually burn out, im pretty ours is our core or heart which is then stronger then the rains and whatnot
our candle is an impostor

[sharp lichen]

It came up because people noticed that the clothing from the Season of Flight has thick wool.

There are no wooly animals in Sky, so some people theorized that a wooly creature must have existed long ago in the Wind Paths and has now gone extinct

[lyric imp]

agreed, that is pretty clear. they don't seem to be based on water, but still have some form of circulatory system

[sharp lichen]

Perhaps they circulate light throughout the body? And the “heart” is the candle?

[desert ridge]

I mean whenever I see light based things and heartbeats, I assume something more akin to the core of a star rather then a heart
like a supercharged point bouncing around in a confined orb

[desert ridge]

That would make sense but we can survive without the candle, it just makes us more vulnreble

so scratch what I said earlier about the candle being the heart, it has to be something more then a candle but it cant be our heart

[hushed steeple]

Our heart is the gem of light in our chest, it seems it can be used in the form of a candle to pass along the flame or something.
When we lose light the flame goes out, but the hart is still there. Perhaps they are using their winged lights to continue living.
When we fully lose our light, we also lose our cape(note, the cape is not the deciding factor of death as in the beginning we have no cape but do have light.) at this point we only live for a few more seconds, perhaps because our body is using what remaining functions and energy it has left before it can fully die.

[desert ridge]

do we lose WL for being extinguished for long periods of time? or does something else have to happen to us

[hushed steeple]

Something else has to happen.
Think of it like having heart complications!

[desert ridge]

maybe the candle is like...an exhaust? for if we have excess light beyond what is needed to live?

[tough sky]

We lose wl when we take "damage"
When we don’t have any light anymore, we don’t lose wl unless we take more damage (it can be walking in polluted water, getting krilled, taking a rock in the face)

I think when we take our candle out, we take our heart out
It is still with us it doesn't really bring complicatilns

[desert ridge]

Maybe our skykids are smart enough to not take their heart out when they only have enough light to make themselves survive
actually thats probably it

[lyric imp]

the candle, being our core, is connected with our light energy. the flame is a flame, but a supernatural one which burn as long as and only as long as we have light energy within us

[lyric imp]

i think what keeps us alive is not wing energy, but winged light. i imagine one as something very similar to soul, except it's not like you have a soul specific for a given person, but more like an animating force needed to keep a single child of light alive. wing light is then what can store wing/light energy, but it's not light energy itself that keeps us alive. when krilled, this animating force is torn from our body. when we lose all of it, including our original one, we die and are a body, but a lifeless one - a statue. then, someone needs to provide at least one instance of such animating force for us to be able to be reborn. the light we give at eden to statues is the same one we see in the void, but it's received as the energy container only upon actual rebirth

[desert ridge]

uh how does that relate to the candles though

[ornate rampart]

Now that we have the camera, I went to the top of the Hermit Valley and took pictures of the "Eden's Two Mountains".
What it called my attention was that thanks to the camera and its zoom funtion, I could see better what is inside the small/right mountain.
The only bad thing is that I was using my switch and therefore the quality of the picture is very bad, I am sure someone using a mobile device/ps5 would see this platform better.

[desert ridge]

it looks like a fantasy senate hall

[lusty merlin]

Yaya I like how there’s buildings on the mountains

[lyric imp]

that it's not weird at all that we stay alive even when our core is extinguished

[silver nacelle]

Are people here talking about lore or design of the game or something else ( just asking )

[lyric imp]

yes, actually lore

[silver nacelle]

Oh ok ty

[desert ridge]

so we need our core to be alive to use the candles but when we are extinguished, we subsist off of our WL?

[silver nacelle]

The second picture kinda looks like there is some type of castle there , maybe someone who is deeply connected to the sky lore lives there ? ( maybe the king who knows )

[lyric imp]

could you rephrase this? i'm not sure if i got you correctly, but WL is what keeps us alive at all times, wing energy merely fills the container that is WL and can be used for various purposes, like lighting fire, flight, or protecting WL i think

[desert ridge]

yeah thats pretty much it

[lyric imp]

probably at least some amount of that energy is also needed to like... walk and stuff or sth

also guys guys, i think i have figured out the eden crystal

[sharp lichen]

Mostly lore, but occasionally this channel does become gameplay-discussion-spoilers

[keen shore]

Like this?

[ornate rampart]

I used my tablet now and took the picture with better quality

Thanks to the light above, it shines at the inferior area and we can see better how those infrastructures look like

[lyric imp]

idk how many people have figured this out already, but i suppose it may be huge darkstone chunk infused with light energy (common belief so far) that has been infused with lights from an absurd number of light creatures whose de facto souls and memories are now trapped within. the crystal is thus an amalagamate of lights and memories from countless creatures, including the memories of capture and infusion, which was essentially painful sacrifice. the memories inside were spontaneously generating darkness until it overtook the crystal and turned it into a beacon of evil, causing it to shatter. this is why we collect (potentially relive) the memories of creatures during shard events and why the memories seemingly contain just animals doing their thing. those are their memories before they're captured, which lines up with the poems related to the memories. by cleansing shards, we free the spirits trapped in them

[lyric imp]

also, while it could have served as an immense source of energy, when we look at the eden mural, we see the the characteristic waves we see in ark and in the ending cutscene. we should keep in mind that science and spirituality in this world are one and the same. perhaps the crystal was aused primarily as a connection to the sacred, the world beyond. in our times it still is used to ascend to the light, it's just that now it's done through death. in the light upon death, after reuniting with the WL, we fly to the crystal in the void, and then in actual eden

[cedar river]

Oh

[static zephyr]

Some thing I noticed that I don’t think anyone has mentioned yet, but in the new area, we see these crystals forming especially this giant Crystal that we see could this be dark stone? Or some form of it??

something I also apparently notices that although it looks like it’s made out of darkness, it doesn’t harm the sky kids in any way according to my testing

[keen shore]

That’s most likely raw darkstone, yes

[lusty merlin]

Yaya and in mindful miners memory the crystal clusters are also similar

[silver nacelle]

Yeah , I just realized that when we get hurt or krilled ( hurt by krill ) those crystals in that picture form on us , it might be a coincidence, or that cave may be producing the harmful rocks/crystals

[static zephyr]

Good point

Could the darkness try to infect us?

[silver nacelle]

But I don’t understand why the ones in the cave don’t hurt us then , maybe it’s in a phase or smth ?

[silver nacelle]

But I also noticed that there were crystals forming around the prairie peaks ( new season area ) but there in different colors form what I observed ( or my eyesight is bad lol ) my theory is that the crystals may be slowly infecting the prairie peaks

[static zephyr]

Hmm odd maybe they are a younger form of dark stone so it doesn’t have its light draining effect yet and as it gets older it slowly turns a more blackish red color?

[silver nacelle]

That is possible ! Cause there IS a red variation

But then I don’t understand why the younger crystal form then would form on us also

[static zephyr]

Here’s my theory

They don’t use the older dark stone for several reasons but what if they use a younger and less dangerous version of dark stone so it doesn’t have the same light draining effect?

[silver nacelle]

Yeah and there is a prop for the younger darkstone so we know that those darkstones won’t drain our energy , but then why are the older darkstones already surrounding Eden , and why is the younger one forming specifically in prairie peaks ?

[static zephyr]

Maybe because it’s one of the least darkest places in the kingdom of sky?

[silver nacelle]

Yeah I’m gonna head to Eden to maybe get some more pics

[static zephyr]

Kk

[sharp lichen]

It’s very likely darkstone

[static zephyr]

So here’s my thoughts

The original spirits traveled to the kingdom of sky probably to escape some sort of catastrophe and it’s also shown that the elders where there before they arrived at the kingdom of the consort is to be believed

At one point they found dark stone and it gave them both archaeological and technical evidence that led to the kingdom we see before the down fall

[earnest briar]

Well, power diamonds don’t drain our light when we get close, yet they’re made of darkstone. My theory is that darkstone is harmless until it becomes overcharged with light, at which point it turns red and becomes volatile and dangerous.

[silver nacelle]

Ok I want to mention that the structures in Eden are very different right ? But when I observed the structures in Eden , they looked a bit more complex and severely different to what we see in the normal sky colt structures , and the photo I put down below looks like a temple entrance , but instead , it’s doesn’t lead to a temple , it leads to the eye of Eden , and there’s a broken sword if you guys haven’t noticed , but I think the original temple ( if there is a temple ) for Eden got destroyed , and there used to be a beautiful land after the temple , but something lead to the corruption of that land and the destruction of the temple

[static zephyr]

So that means that all the dark stone in the kingdom of sky is a ticking time bomb basically

[silver nacelle]

Wait here are the photos sorry forgot to send

[static zephyr]

So that would mean that that was probably a MAJOR source of worship maybe the temple was used to help the spirits return to orbit when there time came before Eden?

And the sword we see could have been used in a ritual for that?

[earnest briar]

No, not really. You just need to be responsible with your darkstone charging and not give it too much energy at once. Which (presumably the King) wasn’t when charging the Eden Diamond. Think of it like using a charging cord that’s more powerful than what your device can handle. It overloads and fries the battery and wrecks it. In the case of darkstone, too much light at once overloads it.

[silver nacelle]

Maybe , and there was a pipe in Eden that looked like it could have came from golden wasteland , and we know that golden wasteland is very corrupted , so maybe it has something to do with that ?

[static zephyr]

Maybe and I see what you mean by the overcharging dark stone

But here’s my question why was the Eden diamond created?

[sharp lichen]

It looks like this place was a fort, to prevent people from advancing up or down the mountain

[silver nacelle]

Maybe , I’m not sure yet

[static zephyr]

It looks more like a ruined temple to me

[sharp lichen]

That’s the thing with power. You can never have enough of it

[static zephyr]

Makes sense

[silver nacelle]

Does anyone know about the supposed to be final boss , the king ? If we look into the old designs ( search up sky cotl art of sky ) then you can find what used to describe skys final boss , the king , and there are pictures that prove what I say now and some other stuff including megabird

So what I want to say is the king may have been the original guardian of Eden

Of course , I might be wrong cause these are old designs

[static zephyr]

Fair

Wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute!
and one of them pictures, we see him fighting some sort of worm creature could they could have fought the king krill and it’s the reason why he was locked away in the abyss in the first place??

[silver nacelle]

wait maybe so ! But the question for me is , HOW did the king get corrupt ???

[static zephyr]

Eden! What is the blast when the Eden diamond was over charged so to speak the massive amount of darkness, absorbed into the closest thing ie the king

[silver nacelle]

Maybe , or the second option , darkstone ! But then what would make him get corrupt by darkstone if that’s the reason

[static zephyr]

Hmm anyone else in the chat want to throw their hat in the ring?

[lusty merlin]

just to make this clear this is super old concept art, and since there's no evidence of this battle happening in eden current game, the concept for them getting corrupted couldve been scrapped

[static zephyr]

Fairpoint. But it is still fun to theorize about it

[nimble ingot]

The old concept art seemed to have hinted at the idea of skykids in Eden doing something somewaht similar to the last part of the mountain climb in Joruney.

Where the section in both games can be described as a phase in the journey called Nadir. Where hope is slipping away and all seems lost to the character.
In the concept art, it seemed like the Skykid(s) were to make their way in this massive storm with the king bound/trapped at the top of the mountain. Figthing a massive dark creature that relentlessly attack them, while the skykids attempt to release the King.

There is an old concept art of a mechanic where skykids have to cleanse the darkness from a dark shard like rock to release the light trapped inside.
This seems to have been reused in the season of shattering shard mechanic. Albeit the result in that case do not line up with releasing the light in my opinion.
Sure, we release something, and this something lets us access a void space of a frozen memory. But that is just it. Season of Shattering is the only season without a proper ending. Meaning unlike other seasons where we find the spirits, complete quests and learn about the message of their guide (ex. Belonging teaches about the value of family and sharing time together. Or season of Remembrence being about remembering those who have been lost and overcoming the hardship). Shattering supposedly keeps going with no real difference or progress made, we still have to cleanse the shard with no real end in sight.

Back to the King though, The King has become corrupted. And being a corrupted elder that oversaw all the realms, it had devastating effects.

[silver nacelle]

And I will resend this pic , because when it says dark stone , it shows the kings face , and it says isolation corruption

So could the king been isolated from others , and so getting corrupt ???

[nimble ingot]

That could be a turret, though yet, it is in the likeness of the King.
The elder for common context is the dawn elder.

[static zephyr]

The isolated corruption could be him then maybe in an active self sacrifice he takes in most the corruption so that his kingdom can last longer??

[silver nacelle]

So much lore lol , but this may not be true cause it’s old designs like tac said , but some small but strong lore details may have been added in !

And I saw from a sky creator creating theory’s about the lore of sky cotl , then he mentioned during the season of shattering , there was a scrapped file called kings mask

[static zephyr]

Either way, they’re still really fun to theories about and who knows maybe you’re lucky and they make it into the game in some later update
cough, cough, cough, TGC take notes COUGH, COUGH, COUGH

[regal pebble]

I know the season just came out today but I do feel like Nightbird Whisperer is connected to Grandma and the Bird Whisperer and I say this because they all have similar hairstyles

[lusty merlin]

ya i feel some small details could've made it into the final game, idk if the isolation corruption made it in since i dont remember anything that could point to it being the case. The king a weird figure because they do exist and impacted the world but it's shown in such a vauge way with nothing beyond that :,)

[lusty merlin]

i don't think grandma could be connected since they're already apart of the belonging family already but Bird whisper i can see it

[regal pebble]

Hmm that’s true,I think it would be cute if it was true

[nimble ingot]

In the game, I have not seen this feature make into the game as far as I know.
I have heard rumours about some assets were once considered, but did not make it to the game. I have researched Eden and learned it was the last realm to have been updated before the global release, and its ending has seen many changes.

From an endless field of broken statues to give light to (the shrines were like the home shrine, not the fallen ones). It later on seen some structures added to the area that included a gateway temple skykids could reach and escape eden without dying (the supposedly pass on to Orbit all the same if you died before then. The void room did not exist yet).
Then Eden seen a change from a sea of blueish-green to shocking red. It somewhat began to resemble the Eden we have now.
There was a point where there the devs supposedly considered having a Blue Eden. Few skykids were fortunate enough to come across this eerie and cold place, let alone document it. Mirriam was one of the skykid fortunate enough to have taken a vidoe and shared it.
I speculate that this blue Eden made a surprising return to the live game, as a reused scene in one of the Shattering memories. The elder memory showcases the very same petrified elder statues around a factured diamond (the original blue version has a diamond akin to the vault elevator though). One key esception is the Forest elder's stone body. At the time of Blue Eden, the forest elder's model was changed and its statue was nowhere to be seen back then. I theorise the devs did not make a statue for them, or the original was of an older model. Which is where the one in the memory is the most polished and up to date with the current elders.

When the game was released internationally (android release). The King was confirmed absent in the game, and Eden is how we know it today.
While the King can no longer be saved, it is clear the devs have not fully abandoned the idea. As evidence of the King still exists gets updated still.

[nimble ingot]

Interestingly enough, there was an old concept (idea) that entertained whether another elder could also be corrupted, albeit partially.
That was the Wasteland elder.

Though this may be a scrapped idea as the idea of corrupted elders has not been revisited nor updated recently (that I am aware of).

[silver nacelle]

But I will bring this up , does anyone have lore theory’s related to megabird ? I’ll start ! If we look at this picture from the season of flight , we can see that if you flip it around , it looks like megabird ! And if you look at the designs on the arch , they look related to megabird , so maybe the season of flight spirits worshiped megabird ? Cause the megabirds purpose was to help with ascension , so is the holy site in the pictures ! But I can’t confirm , but i can try to theorize more

[median onyx]

Noticed this dark dragon shaking off these things on it, are they dark stone?? Like what are they?

[silver nacelle]

Maybe they are preparing for a new season related to the king ? If they keep updating it , it definitely mean something important will happen maybe

[silver nacelle]

Might be fleas lol , just joking ! I speculate it should be darkstone because they are dark creatures

Also did anyone notice why an elder is missing from the door to Eden ?

[median onyx]

A popular theory is that everyone worshipped the mega bird, the eye of Eden is the place everyone goes to ascend and spirits make the rite of passage to the eye of Eden to ascend along with every light creature near or when they die, the elders helped with the passage, a bit of a reach maybe but the wind paths may have been used to help others do the rite of passage easier or maybe light creatures

Creatures like jellyfish only appear in the hidden forest when the rain stops so maybe other creatures didn’t want to come to the hidden forest and the wind tunnels helped them with rite of passage, wild theory though

[silver nacelle]

That might be true !

[median onyx]

Yeah the isle elder, theory is that the elders are from another world and have a connection with the mega birds and have known each other before falling as stars to the sky kingdom, it was probably a dispute that led to them not liking the isle elder

[median onyx]

Something that may also help the wind tunnel theory is that the hidden forest is barely explored, before the dark ages it was barely explored and only on its outskirts due to it being feared so the wind tunnels were defo a way to just avoid the forest in general

[silver nacelle]

Hey , does anyone have theory’s about this picture ?

Jacobmarles actually mentioned about a theory stating that the Eden diamond ended up overflowing with dark energy making the king corrupt

[median onyx]

Where is that picture from?

[silver nacelle]

The candle lit picture right before eye of Eden

[nimble ingot]

The King either creating/controlling/powering/taking power/ interacting wtih the massive Eye of Eden (the diamond).

Why?
Not sure

How?
Possibly forged, but not sure how it could be done.

Did it shatter?
Yes, in season of Shattering

What did the diamond do?
One theory is the diamond could have been like an oracle that has memories of the past, similar to memory diamonds.

Why did it shatter?
Not sure, but something did go terribly wrong and the Elders knew/were part of it.

Also, look at how many ancestors are in that mural.
And imagine all those ancestors that used to live in Eden as just... gone...
Somewhere skykids cannot reach and cannot save 😦

[silver nacelle]

Maybe that was the backstory for the last of Eden and all , but after we ( skykids ) come into the picture , what will happen ? Hopefully a new season/update will explain all of this more

[desert ridge]

Ever since Aurora and shattering, I thought of it as either a bomb or a reactor

[nimble ingot]

Needless to say, it was a calamity of disasterous porportions.

[desert ridge]

Yep

[median onyx]

There is a theory that the no one actually really lived in Eden, not a lot. The rite of passage requires people to journey to Eden to ascend but there is no evidence of people actually making this journey, not even the memory of spirits along the way, in fact it’s probably that people were already dead and spirits when they arrived at Eden

[minor frigate]

Guys is this what tearful lightminor has been mining when she died

I mean it’s known she a miner and she was mining something that looks similar to these crystals or what i like to call them, light crystals and I was wondering if they are the same material

[desert ridge]

evidence points to it all being darkstone

[minor frigate]

Sweet

[median onyx]

Dark stone, they absorb light and produce energy, there is a lot of it in the hidden forest but it’s dangerous to mine, it’s what’s used to make the diamonds that open doors and stuff

[nimble ingot]

Interesting.

Though it may be difficult to connect the trials to Eden in that way.
The season of porphecy prophesised the rise of the King in Eden.
Which suggested the trials existed before Eden was a Kingdom, or at least before there would be a King (as a theory).

The wter trial woudl make more sense in a place in a cold ocean like region. Air trail has a similar feel with its icy platfroms. Then there is Earth and Fire.
Fire's maze gives me an idea of it being in Forest becuase of concept art of Forest suggesting a misty maze. This may also be a case of the idea being recycled and this not connected to forest.

Eden may not have much left in its ruins, it does stand to argue that the ancestors have visited the place often, and it as once considered to be a holy site.
The game is very limited in what it can show us skykids. What we have seen that woudl suggest a shelter or structre are the arches, frames and even a few doorways that lead to places we cannot acces in the game.

[median onyx]

I guess the reason why the spirit was so happy to find this chunk of stone is cus it’s an easy mine without the risk of a cave collapsing and there are no light creatures around to pester the miners

[minor frigate]

Sweet

[nimble ingot]

Big dark stone = Big power diamond
Big power diamond = Big Power

[earnest briar]

if by pestering the miners you mean the miners are intruding on and destroying the home of the Light Creatures for some funny batteries then yes, the Light Creatures pester miners.

[hushed steeple]

I just realized, the kingdom of sky is technically lawless!!!!

[median onyx]

That theory probably is true, the trials came before the kingdom of Eden or rather the golden age/Industrial Revolution of the sky kingdom, the mask of each prophet is different from the ancestor spirits like the elders which suggests that the prophets may be from another world like the elders or just very old which they may be, they had a prophecy of the prince leading the kingdom and a not very popular one that they predicted the children of light coming.

[median onyx]

Found this piece of info which tbh this whole page about sky lore looks like a promising theory tbh I’m still reading it tho

[lusty merlin]

Can I ask where you got the screenshot from?

[median onyx]

I’m pretty sure daleth is the concept name for the elder of the isle of praire your gonna have to check which mask is on the wall

[median onyx]

It’s on the sky wiki but hard to find in there, https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Amity206/Sky_Lore_Theories

[lusty merlin]

aa okay so its from a user not official on the actual fandom wiki's page for the story

[median onyx]

Yeah I mean it’s all theory this whole one just looks like a good theory with a lot of physical backing in game

[lusty merlin]

yeah but we dont really see the elders directly using darkstone in a sence to make them seen "godlike". Like of corse they're used, but i cant really see the godlike part. The colored lights however would give some of the elders godlike powers seen with prophecy.
And alot of the things that the blog says are "confirmed by dev's" dont have actual sources linked which is if they were linked source then nice but alot of them arnet.

[median onyx]

I mean the more I read this theory the more wild and corrupt it gets, theory on how in the treasure reef it was a manga hatchery but turned into a place to drain light from mantas and the eggs

[median onyx]

Yeah the dark stone elder theory idk about that but it’s not relavant to the story too much about why they fell out so it doesn’t really matter how they fell out

[lusty merlin]

oh yeah that part of treasure reef is definitely canon, the murals in the current game and here make it really clear

[median onyx]

None of it is confirmed by devs tho this is all just theory based on statements and stuff the devs have put ingame and concepts

[lusty merlin]

yaya, like there's alot of ideas in the blog that are neat, but at the same time alot of it seems to be the posters opinion rather than a theory with evidence ingame. Which is fine if you wanna make your own ideas but its under the guide this is stuff with evidence and dev confirmation (even though most is unsourced) not saying all of it is but yeah

[median onyx]

The blog explains stuff in game to go about it to try make the theory’s good but at the end of the day this game gives scraps to go on and for us to use our imagination to get a story, also this is a blog it’s not officially part of the guide it’s just a blog you can find

[silver nacelle]

I’ll look into it , now is my off time for now

[median onyx]

This is just a user blog so it isn’t officially apart of the guide it’s just something you can find in the guide that isn’t official

It seems like the most popular blog tho cus when you search up “sky lore” in google it’s the first thing that comes up

[lusty merlin]

yaya i agree, when you first shared it here i was under the guise you where reading it and taking most of content as a given, which made me go on that small tangent. So im sorry if that wasn't your intention, and just wanted to share some theories you found interesting to read about

[median onyx]

Nah mb I probably made it seem like this was the official confirmed lore of sky but it’s but a user theory

[lusty merlin]

it happens dw!

[median onyx]

But it is a very interesting blog and it talks about skys lore in a detailed timeline

I’m reading this blog and I think the user is tryna say that the corruption of Eden and the sky kingdom was self made by the people of the kingdom, which kinda represents rl and global warming and climate change, apparently the sky kingdom caused a lot of waste from their technological advances by draining light which caused darkness to flourish

[silver nacelle]

I think I understand , basically , like what the picture tells us , the island elder didn’t accept , maybe he found the prince suspicious , and maybe telling everyone about this , the prince lost trust among the elders , then he got corrupted into the corrupted king ( not sure about this part ) and then became the villain , maybe he was originally going to be an elder

[median onyx]

Yeah it also said in the blog that maybe the prince would have become a new elder, idk if he got corrupted and idk if the dark stone power thing the prince gave the elders was correct but the prince caused the elders to fall apart with the one elder somehow

Also another cool thing and idea, some of the temples were actually factories maybe

You cant read the text tho in the picture but the giant thing at the top is a stamp with a diamond shape that stamps the material into shape

It’s more clearer here

[reef fulcrum]

I just spent about ten minutes in Prairie Peaks, and I just wanted to say: The presence and speed of the daylight cycle really supporting my photon-based-lifeform theory.

Time is an illusion. If the particles of a Skid's body are constantly moving at the speed of light, they don't have to observe every frame of time, one at a time, in order; the way we carbon-based ape descendents are forced to.

[strange siren]

I finally watched Castle in the Sky and it's really cool to see where they got inspiration from! The cubes in vault look just like the ones in the movie!

The concept of the power diamonds too

[silver nacelle]

I’m going to mention this again for people who have other thoughts about this . Did y’all notice the crystals in the prairie peaks cave ? Do they look familiar ? That right ! Those crystals you see in the cave form on us when we are krilled ( hurt by krill ) and based on what other people mentioned before , those crystals could be the younger variation of the red crystal , and i speculate it could be true , but at least we know those crystals can’t hurt us , but the question I have are why do they form on us , the skykids , and why are they shown only in the prairie peaks ? This may actually have to do with another theory about a deleted final boss called the king . He actually was designed to used to be a good king ( from what is shown in the pictures ) but then for unknown reasons , he became corrupt , then in another photo , dark rock is mentioned to be isolation corruption , and then it shows the king face , but of course , that might just be a turret . Thee are other theories that the season of prophecy shows the story of the prince , but others say is the king . I think it’s is actually the king cause in another photo I had sent , there is a mural of ancestors praying to what looks like a elder , and he was holding the Eden diamond , a theory says that the king got corrupt because the burst of dark energy form the diamond was to strong , and the elder in the photo looks like the prince from the murals in the prophecy cave , so the prince may be the future king ? And tgc actually keeps updating the king related resources , and in the season of shattering , there was a scrapped file called kings mask , and in one of the memory spaces , there was a sword that looked like it belong to the king , but im not sure . So can any one make more theory’s out of this so far ?

[desert ridge]

the dark rock seems widely accepted so far to be darkstone, a material that seems to take in light and use it as a sort of battery to power machines, we see refined darkstone all around the world, the most obvious being the doors in the Forest. They also seem to form all about the world as they are a naturally occurring substance. I have seen a theory that they sprout from us because we ourselves are made of such darkstone, which gives us form, and our soul is formed of light. I dont know what to say about the king stuff though

[silver nacelle]

Yeah m this lore sometimes is confusing m but apart from that , I think I can understand what your saying !

[desert ridge]

I mean it would make sense for the skids and (maybe) the ancestors to be made of a darkstone-esc material as it would allow them to be constructs of light without losing form

[round parrot]

Can this mural be found in game? Just asking

[lyric imp]

We don't see plants or power diamonds hurt us. What we do see is toxic water which may come from either darkstone dust in it, or some dilution of darkstone with water. I'd lean in that direction because we see darkstone dust around the big crystal in the new update and it's essentially harmless. The dilution theory falls short when it comes to water not being corrosive to darkstone, but it still may hold. Maybe that's why every darkstone mechanism in forest is under a roof or gazebo.
Eitjer way, raw darkstone has no reason to hurt us in its solid form

[lyric imp]

Red variation is not older, it's all split away from the eden crystal. Darkstone in itself isn't some force for evil, it's a resource that plays in sky a similar role to our coal and causes pollution if used incorrectly and not properly disposed of

[lyric imp]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message
Wonder what your thoughts are

[lyric imp]

Except eden is much higher, but very close horizontally. Unless ancestors had pumps, ir was probably the other way around

[lyric imp]

Where did you get this pic? Looks like fanon rather than a proper source

[silver nacelle]

You can find it in Tom Zhaos website ! Search up sky cotl art of sky

[lyric imp]

Wow ok, this changes everything. Thanks

[silver nacelle]

Yw

[lyric imp]

I think shattering was easily one of the most vital seasons regarding lore, but it was extremely subtle. I think you might really like my message a bit higher in the channel l regarding this.
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[lyric imp]

Mind you, it's concept art! The final version might have changed a lot and without a good hint in the game, assuming based on it may be a stretch

[silver nacelle]

True , I can’t confirm , but we may find out as more seasons go on

[lyric imp]

Eden crystal was a beacon of light before it shattered. The lines we see in the mural are similar to those in ark and in orbit, possibly suggesting they're related to the Light. Hence, i suspect the role of eden crystal before it shattered was connecting the living to the light

[lyric imp]

This was sth i wanted to ask about. The reactor theory seems quite popular, but what is it based on? You seem decently convinced about it, so i thought you'd be able to explain

[lyric imp]

Unlike many other places, there is no boat or anything that's activated by meditation, we just teleport. This led me to believe trials aren't a place somewhere in the kingdom, but something more like a pochet dimension. Thoughts?

[lyric imp]

Ehh, imobthe cave murals rather point to them being respective colorlights rather than darkstones or anything. We see murals depicting colorlights current locations, and then identical symbols are used in the main cave mural so...

[lyric imp]

No, but a similar one can.

And there's another one depicting manta imprisonment in reef facility

[stiff bear]

Why are they imprisoning mantas,,,

[vagrant geyser]

You can see that they are measuring how much light each creature gives on the right side

It's for harvesting light probably

[stiff bear]

Those poor mantas...

[burnt crow]

I was going into hermit valley and then I realized something. . . WHY ARE THERE TWO EDENS

Better view

[nimble ingot]

Its s bug 🐛

[burnt crow]

Would be cool if there's actually 2 Edens tho....right?

[nimble ingot]

Good guess, but actually no. (qouting a movie)

The level used to not have any eden mountain visible to the player. Until an update was added.

I can only presume that the Valley had the mountain this whole time and was supposed to show it, but for some reason it was overlooked when the other mountain was added.

[burnt crow]

I see

[hushed steeple]

Description for the pines of the Elder Vault.
Apparently the coming of the storm would have been predicted by the interpretation of a song linked to Eden

[lyric imp]

Nice resource

[split hinge]

Sky x Little nightmares????!

[outer hawk]

there's this poster in the office beside the kitchen it says dawn birth etc where can i actually find it and read it clearly?

[quaint mantle]

fr these 2 games are wonderful

[torpid fjord]

If that were to happen then game would have a very scary twist!.... New area with a bunch of krills....

[hushed steeple]

Hi hi, any idea if this symbol has a meaning?

[latent token]

has anyone mentioned how the crystals this season are similar to eden shards? i just realized that's the reason why i expected them to drain my light (edit: oh someone got it cool cool)

at the very least, it does seem like tgc is actually providing solid lore now, which is interesting

[desert ridge]

A reactor would be the most simple and logical explanation, we see it emitting tons of light power constantly, it seems to be made of darkstone, and it is a bigger version of power diamonds we already see. As such a reactor of some sort, or something that powers a reactor, would make the most sense and require the least logical leaps.
Actually a bomb would require the fewest leaps, but that would mean that the people would want to make a bomb in the first place

[tough sky]

It might be a simplification of the light symbol

[lyric imp]

Possibly symbol of the light, not entirely sure though. Compare to the symbol on the shields on the wasteland battlefield, the shield in the small temple at the end of eden 1, and in the prop closet shrine

It probably is the symbol of light

[lyric imp]

Tgc has been providing pretty solid lore for a long time though, there's just no splash text so you have to be observant and be able to connect the dots to see it

[lyric imp]

Imo reactor would make more sense than a bomb, but... Where are all the things it powered? We see all the doors function despite no access to the crystal. I think if there was some grand machinery that needed the crystal to function, we would have seen it at least once in the murals or in game

Though considering science and spirituality are intertwined, i have an idea that maybe ancestors used it to access the Light, the one we visit upon death. In the eden mural we see those specific waves that we also see in ark and in orbit. So maybe for them it was something analogous to talking to God in our world?

[desert ridge]

it probably didn't work though, I assume that it blew up before it could be used and whatever it powered never actually came to fruition

[native galleon]

If we’re talking about the Eden diamond device, I personally think it could have been intended to harness the light from the Eden beam and generate enough power that the realms wouldn’t need to mess up the environment or fight over resources anymore, idk

[desert ridge]

I have a feeling that the eden beam wasn't always there
it seems too hectic and disorganized to be from before the cataclysm

[lyric imp]

I always though it generated the eden beam

[desert ridge]

Maybe the eden crystal constantly takes ambiant light from around the entire continent, which would explain how things like sunlight dont regenerate our cape, and that light is then channeled through the crystal upwards

[trim mural]

that's really interesting and something i never thought about until now. i always thought it resembled more of the prophecy logo. going on a bit of a tangent here but i wonder at what point in time prairie peaks takes place in kingdoms history; maybe after darkstone was discovered? i've noticed the bottom of the new "camera" prop has some sort of darkstone, in selfie and tripod mode it's seen floating independently. could be a gameplay decision for all i know or intentional.

p.s. if only i could get my grubby little hands on vaults archives

[earnest briar]

Oh boy, I sure do love child zombies in my wholesome friendship game

[lyric imp]

I think it's important to remember this is concept art the final idea seems to have changed quite a bit.
Regarding timeline, one of the spirits is gathering crystals, so chances are it's some kind of a 'gold rush' period after discovering darkstone

[trim mural]

I like the term gold rush here ; referencing this mural here from treasure reef because most of the murals there seem to depict a lot of mining for darkstone too #lore-discussion-spoilers message. Typing this up because i'm at work but i definitely have more to talk about. Acestic Monk is by far my favorite spirit because of their Vault-esque robes

[lyric imp]

I think it has been announced that none of the sirits come originally from peaks, so monk probably is from vault

[drowsy flare]

I imagine the nightbird whisperer was from forest(?)

Omg nightbird whisperer has a water droplet on their head in a leaf but there aren't any trees or bushes in sky (right?)

[desert ridge]

I mean the trees in the forest are presumably trees

[native galleon]

where was that announced? bc i think some of them could be from other places (i made the vault connection as well!) but they could also just be from prairie

[tough sky]

I don't know where it was announced but I remember reading it too

And there is not a lot there so it would make sense

[native galleon]

i just can’t imagine ranger for example being from somewhere else /lh

[trim mural]

Ranger fits so well in Prairie Peaks, but it would make sense if they're (the 4 Seasonal Spirits + Guide) not originally from there

[native galleon]

Yea like I don’t think any of them are supposed to be from prairie peaks bc it looks like it’s supposed to be sort of a nature preserve, but they could theoretically be from somewhere else in prairie?? Like idk

If anything this season just confirms that the realms are BIGGG and there are a variety of different regions within them

[trim mural]

Mhm. I like to headcanon the Monk is a hermit from Vault; (correct me if I'm wrong but basing off the some Abyss Murals, and Remembrance Guide were they not scientists/knowledge keepers)

Like what if Ascetic Monk knows what's up

[trim mural]

Oh yeah. This is just concept art I believe too but it looks very familiar to the map shrines we have in-game, albeit to our Map Shrines being not to scale and being stylistic in choice.

I'm assuming we're on a planet too so I can't even begin to imagine how big the actual world is

[earnest briar]

You know what would be great? If we got a new Wind Paths tunnel to Prairie Peaks. Sanctuary is apparently also a nature preserve based on info from Light Whisperer’s infocard, and the Flight symbols were all over Sanctuary long before Flight released. So it makes sense that the Wind Paths would also be connected to Prairie Peaks so that they can help any Light Creatures there who might have gotten hurt.

[trim mural]

resh comes out of nowhere after finding out peaks has a abundance of darkstone crystals and turns it into an over glorified wasteland /j

[native galleon]

Yeah i see the potential vault connection! Scientific and spiritual knowledge aren’t so different here, i had some thoughts abt this the other day #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[trim mural]

Oooh I really like this idea patiently waiting for the animation project

[earnest briar]

I think if that happened the Flight Spirits would just send them flying with that giant Manta in the last Flight quest. That guy could smash apart giant rocks, I think they could send a person flying very easily.

[native galleon]

ok i know this is a joke but especially after seeing geologist’s memory i did have to wonder how they got away with keeping it preserved like that. it looks like it’s almost deliberately hidden for possibly that reason

[lusty merlin]

ya i totally agree! since spirits can descend back down, orbit is known as a real place rather than a place you believe you go when you die. Can definitely see it being a course you can take in history

[earnest briar]

Wait I just realized that part of the Aurora concert is flying through the path to Orbit proper. Does this mean Aurora can just like…make us hallucinate the afterlife.

[lusty merlin]

never thought of it that way but yeah your right, but the caves do seem to be natural though, and i dont think many would attempt to go underwater caving with no gear, so maybe that darkstone chunk was just lucky to not be discoverd till now

[trim mural]

Exactly! I'm quite surprised at how well Prairie Peaks looks considering how many crystals there are.

I'm guessing there wasn't much influence that far out into the Kingdom. That being said Abyss murals do hint there were heavy mining operations there and Wasteland is relatively close there.

I'm starting to wonder if Ascetic Monk helped keep this secret in a way considering they're more than likely to be from Vault

[native galleon]

Yeah i meant prairie peaks itself looks almost deliberately hidden, the caves within it look natural tho. Which is how i got the idea it was a nature reserve or maybe prairie was just stricter about darkstone usage since there’s also not a lot of it there

Like they saw the gold rush happening in forest and went

[trim mural]

and by "well" i mean at how untouched it is. almost no mining carts, dark plants, etc.

i would've guessed they would tamper with it but nothing suggests that it was interfered with

[native galleon]

if it is a nature preserve then it’s probably heavily frowned upon to take things from it, especially in a way that could damage the environment

geologist is a criminal /j

[lusty merlin]

i would think the first one, the journey to the peaks seems to be very far out so i dont think alot of miners would be willing to travel that long. I feel if that giant darkstone chunk was discoverd everyone would be rushing to get their hands on it and probably even begin looking for more like it. Because if a chunk THAT big can exist, surely theres more, which would just destroy the peaks

augh forgot to reply but im reffering to liv's message on peaks being hidden

though with gelologist that does imply the existence of darkstone was known there, but probably not enough to warrant mining operations

[native galleon]

I mean it’s literally sticking out of the open ground in a lot of places, the fact it’s so pristine is either a miracle or a deliberate choice by those who took care of it

[lusty merlin]

to be fair all the clusters are tiny, if you dont discover the big chunk i feel like maybe you could only process 20 refined darkstone pieces? which in heighnsight is barely worth it

[hushed steeple]

I believe that the season of moments is like a protected wildlife zone, since the spirits here studies the animals, looks forward the geological formations and also there are plenny of creatures here, which means there isn't much "human" activity

[native galleon]

I didn’t think they were that tiny but i guess? Seems similar to like the underground caves in forest in terms of the crystal size and difficulty to reach

Which in my mind might say something about the different attitudes toward nature in prairie vs forest idk i’m just spitballing

[tough sky]

Yeah but there is probably more underground if it sticks out like that

[lusty merlin]

yaya i also like the idea of it being a reserve, gelogist's card stating they've been planning this "trip for fout years" makes me think it was a known destination actually

[tough sky]

Darkstone in prairie is only used for the eight player door right?

[hushed steeple]

If we look at forest's elder, she fixes her diamand in shatters with light, so maybe they actually would have harvested it to make a bigger one, but it happenned to not be a need, or maybe under political chargrs that didn't allow it's grinding

[native galleon]

and other multi player doors

[lusty merlin]

think its also used for the doors beneath the bells too and the boats but ya thats it

[hushed steeple]

Nope there's also the hollow cave for the applauding spirit, using diamznds

[lusty merlin]

yaya political differnces could also be a reason. Prairie seems to be more of a supplier of more sustainable light than a drakstone supplier seen with all the sealed pots and even murals in forest

[hushed steeple]

And they might new the risks, I believe the retrivial of these stones engages a destabilisation of the ecosystem, because it's a light absorber, maybe without it, (like clay keeps water) the area would be attained by darkness, which cause a problem for the right production of light,

maybe they actually have been able to keep the area safe from harvesting by menacing not to give any supplies of light

As we know that the elder of dawn who knew the truth behind Eden got punched in the face for not agreeing

[lusty merlin]

definitely, no matter how careful you coudl be to mine something there will always be damage to the land you cant fix

[lusty merlin]

think its confirmed their mask broke during the eden diamond exploding seen in the final shattering memory

[native galleon]

: so you were just sitting on this supply of darkstone this whole time and did nothing with it???
: didn’t a bunch of miners just die last week
: ….

[trim mural]

They removed Daleth from their secret club /j, seriously though they aren't on the Eden portal

[hushed steeple]

Ohh thanks for reminding me that

[lusty merlin]

yaya, idk where in game its suggested they were punched in the face

[trim mural]

i wonder if the elders had more jurisdiction over their areas, as a long time lurker in the lore channel i always assumed resh was some sort of tyrant

[sharp lichen]

They got crushed by the leaning tower of Vault 💔

[native galleon]

I don’t think any of them were tyrants and have always thought the elders had a lot of control over their realms

[hushed steeple]

But there's also this meeting room with the chair fallen down, maybe by rage or disagreeing, so still in doubts,

Also if the explosiong of the diamand was the reason, TGC would might have shown it because it would be no use if it was only that, I believe it's an opinion disrespect that caused his mask to get broken

[hushed steeple]

Can you give me all the elder's name plsss me no understand 😭😭

[trim mural]

No I meant that I thought the King had more of an iron grip over the realms more than the Elders did in their own respective realms*, didn't mean that they were all entirely tyrants

[hushed steeple]

Why would they arrest inocent civilian then, the kid in season of rememberance losing her mom, because she was in a rebellion

[lusty merlin]

Elder Names by Alasdair#8513

The Elders (plus the king & prince) have names based off Hebrew letters from concept development that are no longer canon, though the fandom sometimes refers to them as such:
Isle – Daleth (ד)
Prairie – Ayin (ע)
Forest – Teth (ט)
Valley – Samekh (ס) (they share a name, though the fandom refers to as Sah and as Mekh)
Wasteland – Tsadi (צ)
Vault – Lamed (ל)
Prince – Alef (א)
King – Resh (ר)

Though it seems the devs refer to the Elders by the times of day their realms represent:
Isle – Dawn
Prairie – Day
Forest – Rain
Valley – Sunset
Wasteland – Dusk
Vault – Night
Eden – Storm

reminder the herbrew names are confimed not offical even by devs

[trim mural]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qCXl82o4VoEmQDL2eBRlw7u7dRHEMMplplRaUvyGTWg/edit

[native galleon]

1. we don’t know if that was the elders or just a thing some people were doing
2. much of the backstory of sky revolves around people making bad decisions in tough situations, having vulnerabilities and weaknesses that all people have, and i think that extends to the elders especially because they are in power

[lusty merlin]

its never confirmed the parent was part of any rebellion though, or if there was any hint of that, everyone but wounded warrior/ and Berfret Vertean in a way just seemed to be civillans caught in the crossfire

[hushed steeple]

People wanting a democraty?

[native galleon]

probably not, based on the theories that are out there, although i suppose it’s not impossible

[hushed steeple]

Well we do know the work conditions for most of people were rough at some point, and the war

[trim mural]

speaking of work conditions... , this is concept art and something from 7 days of sky, the original screenshot and cropped photo are not mines, i think i digged it up here.

[native galleon]

A major theory that many people work off of (myself included) is that the war was a byproduct of unrest over the darkstone industry, people being dissatisfied with either the work conditions and/or deteriorating environment

[hushed steeple]

Also, I though about something from the spears, I think that they can be charged with light or any substances to provoque a shocwave, as we can see in the warrior's memory in season of rememberance being all blasted away by the spear

[lusty merlin]

yes but what we're shown all we know they we're playing with pleading

[lusty merlin]

im always confused on the spear rain cuz like, whos's throwing them???

[native galleon]

hehe :3 don’t get me started

[hushed steeple]

An army

[trim mural]

something that i've been confused about for a while now is the size of battlefield's weapons, in the aurora concert there were normal sized spirits wielding normal sized weapons. i know Tsadi had a giant spear and sun shield

[lusty merlin]

the spears are massive though, idk how you can throw spears nearly twice your height i believe as if they're arrows

[rough urchin]

theory on isle elder: we once saw a mural of a skykid going to the cave of prophecies, he went through the trials one by one, he completed them all with ease.. hes the eden elder. the spirits sent him to eden to become the eden elder, after a while isle elder wanted to kill eden elder because he was abusing his power, the elders banished him, thats why isle elder is so deserted and has a broken mask, and i have some more proof, on the second floor in vault of knowledge we see a giant table with giant chairs (suiting the elders) but one chair is knocked down, thats isle elders chair.
This theory isn't mine but a friend's, they wanted to post it here but don't have discord.

[sharp lichen]

In the Wasteland cutscene, we see the spear shoot light upwards. Perhaps they used some sort of technology that allowed them to shoot out light as a form of weapons?

[trim mural]

iirc there was also concept art showing the king statues in wasteland shooting a beam of light too

[hushed steeple]

Well we do have resizing spells so maybe the did make super soldiers with differents shapes and size like the elders, Eden's tech

[native galleon]

the scale of stuff in sky is very inconsistent, i think the weapons in battlefield are that size just for the dramatic effect

[lusty merlin]

i personall think that's just an elder quirk since we see three who can channel light to their weapons yet never see it with spirits

[trim mural]

daleth once again getting kicked out of the cool kids club /j

[sharp lichen]

I don’t think there was any violence involved. The Isle Elder’s chair is the only one knocked over, if it would be so heated then the entire place would be a commotion. I think all the elders sided with Eden, except for Isle, and so Isle stormed out and was ostracized.

[native galleon]

They kicked out so both of the valley twins could sit at the table /j

[native galleon]

once again they are the drama

[lusty merlin]

little confused: does isle wanting to kill eden elder just an idea to think about or is there reasons ingame isle wanted to do that?

[trim mural]

i can definitely seeing the isle elder not agreeing with what was going on but for some reason i can't stop thinking ayin may have felt uncomfortable with it too? i don't know. maybe they were willingly shipping those jars to forest; each elder seems to interact with the light differently going off of salem's blog on tumblr (e.g. isle transporting and guiding it, prairie capturing and containing it)

[native galleon]

yeah i don’t get the vibe of them wanting to kill the eden elder at all, just disagreeing with them strongly and being ostracized for it

[lusty merlin]

i just cant see them being the type to want and kill unless shown otherwise

[rough urchin]

It'll take a while to respond since the theory is my friend's and it'll have to go to him first

[lusty merlin]

ya totally, just curious on what made him come to the idea

[rough urchin]

I think what he meant though is that isle elder was mad at him for abusing his power, but that's all I understood, idk if he'll give further explanation

[lusty merlin]

ah alrighty then, still for how isle interacts with us ingame they just dont seem to be the type to resort to violence personally. Not saying they can't but I just cant personally see it aginst sombody they would know unless it's self denfense in a life/death situation

[native galleon]

it also seems like getting energy from butterflies is more ethical but also inefficient, like you can use their energy for a very short time and just let them go (8 player door)
but maybe once you go beyond simple mechanisms like door locks and move on to giant boats or entire floating buildings, it just isn’t enough energy and you need to take more drastic measures

[earnest briar]

The Eden Elder really went "okay Peepaw let's get you to bed" after Isle gave them an ominous speech about how their recklessness will spell disaster for all those around them

[native galleon]

“don’t tell me what to do, you’re not my real dad”
But on a more serious note, that’s actually pretty much how I see it. Isle elder wasn’t trying to start trouble, they weren’t even banished like some early concepts suggest, they were just dismissed as like a crazy old guy who refused to get with the times and stopped being taken seriously

[oblique garnet]

What if Sky is just a giant theater play

[sharp lichen]

super mario bros 3 but good

[trim belfry]

The little whales are for sure not like the other light creatures...they are running away from skykids ...other light creatures like manta be most friendly with skykids

Hmmm..
Also let's talk about these crystals...what is it ...and was it used before in our jewelries for example...we know few things about it... it doesn't charge out light... doesn't steal it too...have a pretty sound...

[hushed steeple]

Guys have you ever noticed how come all the OST of sky turns arround the melody of the kingdom, "rise-prosperity-fall-dark age-hopes(our arrival)-new rise"
It's always on the same rythm, and I belive that this because this story is deep inside us, but ther are also multiple factors
Different instrument in function of its importance by yourself and the kingdom

For example, "Flight" is the only soundtrack with the rise part and propserity part enterely full, regarding that our ascension is important toward the kingdom and has always been during its golden age.

Perhaps, until that day, we never had a full soundtrack of its legend, we had the sing of the light by aurora being the light and we have the royal instruments as heard during flight or Valley of Triumph.

This idea is sketchy bu I've been thiking about it for 2 years now lmao

[tough sky]

I randomly went to see of I had every sanctuary hearts and discovered I hadn't done every quest

I was wondering why I felt like I had never seen the Elder Manta

[trim belfry]

Hmmm... I don't think I got it very well...is that mean that all sky cotl osts have the same rhythm?

[hushed steeple]

Every, it's sometimes hard to actually realize

[native galleon]

it's called darkstone, it's used in the power diamonds on door locks and machines etc. it's also the natural, uncorrupted version of the stones in eden. the ancestors used it for fuel and messed up the environment and now they're dead.

that's my very short and lazy explanation but i recommend searching it in this channel bc that's what i did and now i'm fully invested in the lore

[trim belfry]

What about season of dreams ost "in the middle of dreams" ?

[trim belfry]

Wait it's the same stone?
I know about it but never thought it would be the same stone...

But somehow it shine by itself way more than the elders and doors stones...and have a sound... maybe coz it's in a raw form?

[hushed steeple]

It does

All the musics have different tones, but follows the same rythm

Imagine a story told by different angles, but yet the main one

[trim belfry]

I don't know a lot about music but lots of them give different feelings...like eden osts

[native galleon]

Yes, it glows because it absorbs light. And we don't see the raw form much in game outside of spirit memories, which are transparent and don't glow, or corrupted stones in Eden/shards, which do kinda glow but in like a darker way

[trim belfry]

Yeah but it actually instead of absorbing the light...it shine when we get close to it

[native galleon]

I think that’s just bc skykids have a lotttt of light

[cursive echo]

hello

[trim belfry]

Hmmm

[hoary ingot]

Spoiler: Season of Moments—||Could it be that these are uncorrupted shards? Are we finally getting the lore as to where shards originated and/or were mined from? My theory is that these are the source of power diamonds/crystals that are used in more industrial realms like Valley and Forest.

We already have new technology (camera) and this discovery very well may have led to the beginning of the end.||

[sharp lichen]

I haven’t thought about it, but I guess it would be cool if it were to exist. But I’ve listened to Sky’s OST and I have difficulty hearing it

[sharp lichen]

I think they’re found in many places, but it was untouched here since it’s so remote

[hoary ingot]

Could it be that they are all connected to the Eden Mount? Like each realm has a large shard like this hidden somewhere, and extracting for power it is what caused an imbalance in Eden and thus resulted in the fall of the Kingdom?

[trim mural]

valley has an abundance of darkstone usage + they were capturing a lot of mantas

[sharp lichen]

I think the fall of the kingdom was multi-layered, but yes, I think an over extraction of darkstone caused an imbalance of sorts.

I think the Eden Mountain is made of darkstone- the Season of Shattering shards come from Eden and they’re made of a similar darkstone, except corrupted

[hoary ingot]

Ah, I see! It seems like we’re getting closer and closer to the core of the lore with each passing season. Can’t wait to finally see the animation.

[sharp lichen]

We also see darkstone in the Mindful Miner part of the Aurora concert

[trim mural]

Same! mostly excited to see the daily lives of* normal ancestor spirits

I'd like to see some of the animation featuring Elders though, especially Vault

quoting 7 days of sky: "There are many interesting props we designed for the area. Lots of valuable information was stored with the hope that it would be used by the future generations."

https://twitter.com/thatskygame/status/1284645591989932032/photo/1

[trim mural]

You know what, once I learn Blender enough I want to render this into a 3d model

[earnest briar]

Omg yes please, that would be so funny.

[native galleon]

yep, valley has a lot of darker stuff under the surface that's super interesting to theorize about

[lucid egret]

I know how to use blender to pose models, but not make them. If anyone makes a model I’d love to make this

[desert ridge]

Most likely not, normal darkstone seems to only take light that is very obviously given to it, the eden crystals take light from the area whether or not it wants to be taken

but its important to note that darkstone is not inherently bad, its the over reliance on it that the kingdom developed that is the issue

Like everything else, and this appears to be sky's message, we can not constantly use our gifts, our silver bullets, we can not develop an overeliance on something or it will consume us

[hoary ingot]

Beautifully said. I’d like to add on not being greedy, as well. The ancients/ancestors were extremely greedy and lacked self-control, especially when it came to harvesting light creatures.

[desert ridge]

and then each other? 👀

Fangirl im not gunna elaborate, I dont feel like another argument

[earnest briar]

For the last time, Ancestors do not harvest or sacrifice each other to power darkstone and I don't understand why you keep trying to push the idea. It's needlessly edgy.

[desert ridge]

I think you made a mistake when I first came up with theory and assumed that depleting = killing
If you have read warbreaker, I mean something similar to the breath system

[earnest briar]

Okay, and? It's still incredibly messed up. If there was human (equivalent) sacrifice in Sky, the game would absolutely get slapped with a mature rating even with Sky's non-graphically violent style.

It's the same as that idea someone shared here once about the Ancestors sacrificing Sky Kids for energy.

[desert ridge]

Out of curiosity, did you base your entire perception of me based on that one theory?

[earnest briar]

Edgy and tonally dark does not equal deep and complex. I'm going to be honest, said theory comes off as you trying to look cool to lorechat by talking about how Ancestors willingly sacrifice their own kind for energy despite there being absolutely no evidence to that. You don't even have a single piece of concept art to back that up.

If you don't have any evidence, then it's not a theory. It's an idea.

[desert ridge]

I did though

[earnest briar]

Okay then. Where is it?

[desert ridge]

...well I tried, apparently it got filtered (no clue why)

[hushed steeple]

Skykids are fallen stars. (This theory was discussed a few days ago in general but I’d like to give my two cents)
To prove this theory;
In the season of the little prince during the 6th quest, the little prince said and I quote:
“At night you will look up at the stars… and my star will just be one of the ones for you. And so you will love to watch all the stars in the heavens. They will all be your friends.” Now, there isn’t just this quote, there’s so much more depth to it.
In the office, there’s a poster by the fridge for early design work for sky. This indicates that sky is a constant cycle of death and rebirth. Stars also experience a cycle of death and rebirth. Again this isn’t the only evidence-
Just before rebirth, you get AC from all the statues you gave your light to. Stars also lose their light before they die. You’re able to use your AC to get wing buffs. When a star is going through rebirth it usually starts out as a nebula (which is dust from stars) and the nebula starts to get smaller and smaller until it comes together and the “star dust” becomes one single star. This could mean that the wing buffs could be a form of nebula.
And when a star dies it usually explodes, which would explain why the skykid statues have light “popping out” from them. This could signify the “explosion” that stars go through when they die.
Skykids are also made up of light. And when a skykid is reborn it looks like how a shooting star would look when it’s coming to earth.
When another skykid honks from the distance, the icon that appears above them is a star.
And this is why skykids are fallen stars

[hushed steeple]

The poems for the vault elder pin and star light desert pin respectively.

[hybrid ocean]

This place feels so familiar… but why?

[sharp lichen]

Familiar in what sense?

[sharp lichen]

Yes, another thing that confirms this is the intro cutscene where it says “all are born from starlight”

[trim mural]

this one spirit literally getting backstabbed

[hushed steeple]

OH MY LIGHT!!!
IVE NEVER SEEN THOSE WEAPONS BEFORE!!!!!!!!

[sharp lichen]

top 10 moments taken seconds before disaster

[hushed steeple]

Top 10 anime betrayals

[nimble bough]

Sky realm is located in point Nemo on earth and the Shard events symbolize rockets and space debris being dropped there by humans

[trim mural]

https://youtu.be/3dNShWJ0jiY around 0:39 there are 6 stars falling, are these the elders? this was the original sky cotl opening

[native galleon]

hey, that’s not valley!
unless……..

[trim mural]

forgot to elaborate on this but decided to insert a random screenshot of the wasteland war i was feeling pretty lazy but i was going to mention how the cyan light attacking the battlefield feels looks familiar to the ones the valley elders received shown on the prophecy mural

[rough urchin]

theory about sky: sky takes place in the ancient ancient times because everything that happens to them they draw it on walls.

[lusty merlin]

i actually think its a mix of ancient and more modern stuff: Seen with the camera, memory projections, electricity ect. Like yeah some aspects are more dated yet to some standards some are more futuristic. Murals could be a cultural thing yet i like to think they do illustrate on paper

[cedar light]

[compact shale]

Paper decomposes much easier, so while it's possible they have paper documents, they may have rotted away already.

[lusty merlin]

ya that's fair, we know books exist from timid bookworm, but yeah your right. I can definitely see alot of information being moved into memory cubes for convivence sake

[compact shale]

....oh wait, music scrolls still exist, right?
Though one could possibly argue that paper lasts longer inside (as in, inside buildings like Harmony Hall) than outside

[trim mural]

nightbird whisperer also had a book in their memory too

[neon badger]

I'm not sure if this belongs here but I think they should add gates that instead of having restrictions on constellations to be completed to pass through them they would instead restrict until a certain amount of winged lights.
Like only people who have experience and went through the effort can go through them. I feel like it would be good for the endgame content since right now there is not much else to do.

[small geyser]

I went through Eden to get pictures of Orbit and I came to the realization of what the Jolly Geographer finds

[neon badger]

So is there a possibility that that giant pile of crystal grew from a forgotten elder spirit?

[small geyser]

I’m not really sure tbh, I’m not super up-to-date with the lore but the crystals are also found on the walls and ceilings of caves which I find really interesting

[neon badger]

It's impossible they just grew out of nowhere, since I think they need light to crystallize.
2 of my theories are it's possibly an old burial ground or a forgotten elder's spirits prison

[small geyser]

I’m at the cave with my friend rn, there are very few spots where they grow and the largest mass here spreads outwards into the cave. Ig a burial ground would make sense here

[lusty merlin]

never thought of it that way, I always saw it as the material Tearful and Mindful Miners we're looking for in their memories, which were then used as the main power source in sky: think of the memory crystals, performance stage lights, the diamonds on the boats, ect. basically everything that need's power

plus i think if they were the remains of somebody, geologist would be alot more respectful

[drowsy flare]

Are the birds in prarie peaks artificial? As they don't give any wing energy maybe they aren't made of light?

[lusty merlin]

to be fair i noticed the birds leading to the forest temple recharge much slower now so i think it just might be a change to them for some reason. Cant think if why they would be artificial

[small geyser]

Also to mention the crystals not only produce light, but a humming sound as well

[drowsy flare]

Hmm interesting, maybe due to the war there was such a shortage of light creatures they started making artificial ones to procreate with organice light creatures to populate the world? I'm like spiralling here lol-

[lusty merlin]

that would be cool but there's noting to suggest that would be the case, i feel they had alot of bigger issues to focused on than making artifical creatures

[lusty merlin]

ya i love that! always thought of that being a reaction to us because of our light since that's how the crystals we light up also activate. And they also give a hum (though it is lower)

most call it darkstone yet that is just seen as a concept art name so its more of a fannon term, but the material is very much ingame

[neon badger]

What do we even call them? Soul Crystals? It sounds fitting for me

[lusty merlin]

Like I said before: Darkstone, which is what most agree on what its called seen in concept art. They're also known as power diamonds which would refer to when the crystals are refinded into a diamond shape (theyre basically the same)

[neon badger]

So are they agreed on being natural growing crystals? Like diamond, Topaz, gold...

[lusty merlin]

yaya, mindful miner is also shown to be collecting them in their sequence in forest to it was a common yet valuable material

as for why the crystals grow out of us when we take damage I genuinely dont know

idk how much you know about it but if you wanna get a more detailed explanation of what they are i did talk about them before. This is basically what alot of people agree on what they are

[neon badger]

Then there must be an explanation at least, maybe like how fossil fuel generates? From light creatures in ancient times?? Still I don't get the growing on us part

[drowsy flare]

:0 Maybe there are like dark stone particles around the air constantly but due to our light as soon as they touch us they look bounce off or disintegrate, so when we're out of light the dark stone particles start clumping up on us?!?! i should sleep i havent gone to bed for like 3 days

[neon badger]

That's a great theory but if that's true that means it's like a virus or something and that seems too far fetched for me

Edit: Jesus Christ yeah you should sleep, stop drinking coffee

[lusty merlin]

yeah i agree, cuz that could work but again, the virus part

[drowsy flare]

Uh stop drinking coffee? Pish-posh! That is physically impossible for me, if i dont have caffeine inside me 24/7 who knows what might happen, heck i might even start being productive! smh- /lh /hj (btw how did you know about the coffee part, like was it a guess or smth because i do actually have an addiction, super unhealthy hehe...)

[lusty merlin]

though thinking about it, wounded warrior does have that crystal like injury, yet my reason for it heavily leans into a head canon than a theory. Basically layers with: Outer layer being clay, 2nd layer being harded crystal, and middle being inner light

i remember drawing it hold on, i go back and fourth on it but i do find it cool

[neon badger]

I can sense it.
It's a passive ability I have

[neon badger]

That's a cool theory, but if I remember correctly there are also dark plants/fungi.

[lusty merlin]

whew found it I still find it cool cuz its intersting to imagine biology

[lusty merlin]

yeah that too! idk if its confirmed but ik alot of folks use the darkplants as a virus for their charater stories and angst and stuff

[neon badger]

That's interesting but in Eden where we lost our light and we seem to become just clay dolls then hug our shiny self?? Then fuse?
That means they are at least 2 of us that can be separated from our bodies. The clay half, and the light half.

[lusty merlin]

i actually have a theory on who the person we hug are (i just gotta find it cuz its long) basically it would've been the winged light another skykid would sacrifice to help us break out, which would make a nice cycle

yeah here, i kinda ramble a little but later on i talk more abt it

[neon badger]

Hm yeah that's a pretty solid theory

And if I remember correctly there is a mask that has a dark plant growing on it. Though I'm not sure if it's canon or just aesthetics

[lusty merlin]

message got sniped by the filter-

as i was saying if it wasn't aesthetics i can see it happening. Darkplants grow quick enough to trap light creatures. And ingame they seem to grow in dark/damn places like how most plants do, but can also grow in places where its dry and needs alot of light.

(i also think the fact it targets light is the reason many use it as a virus in their stories)

[neon badger]

Then is it possible for a sky kid to be taken control of a dark plant?

[lusty merlin]

sniped again 💔

it's not confirmed outside of the dark plant mask, but if you want to believe they can then go for it! Unless we see a spirit directly affected by it in the future its more of a fanon idea many use

[native galleon]

I went to bed but
Yeah you’re picking up what I’m putting down #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[neon badger]

Ah I see, thank you for answering my questions btw. It was very helpful

[lusty merlin]

yaya your welcome! i find darkplants and darkstone really cool, im glad moments show it in its raw form cuz it gives more insight abt them

[earnest briar]

I see dark plants as invasive actually! Like in their normal habitat where everything else has already evolved to deal with it it's not as bad of a problem, but when Ancestors accidentally began spreading it to other realms it rapidly dominated the largely Light-based ecosystem because nothing there knew how to handle it.

[hushed steeple]

idk if anyone's said this already but I like to think the blue crystals in the caves are the blue light we saw falling in the aurora concert somehow

it doesnt totally line up but it sounds cool

[shrewd kernel]

i didnt know the realms represented the life cycle until today 😭 man

[gentle venture]

They represent the life cycle?!

[earnest briar]

Different stages of life, but yes. For example Isle of Dawn represents your birth/the start of your life, Prairie is your early childhood, and so on.

[native galleon]

There’s a graphic about it in the office :3 it’s cool that more people are finding it now!!

[soft timber]

Bluebell and Scarlett giving off the vibe of :0! collectively

[lyric imp]

I think prairie wasn't really pushing for progress at the cost of nature. Green light is the light of fertility and nature, the realm itself is concerned with husbandry and is more in style of simple living. I suspect there are darkstone crystals hidden even in prairie caves and underground in butterfly fields, but noone cared or was alliwed to mine them. All the power diamonds and darkstone that prairie has were acquired by trade

[drowsy flare]

What if the reason why the birds in prarie peaks dont give energy is because theres raw darkstone there which is harmful for small light creatures, so the light seals still give off energy because they have more 'mass', might be possible the seals would give off a lot more energy like the mantas but due to the raw darkstone there, their energy radiation is being reduced

[slender sphinx]

idk if i should put this here but i got this shot of megabird with the new camera and i thought it was pretty clear (plus some shots of some structures in orbit)

[hushed steeple]

I love how thisnis actually like a industrial revokution with the camra xd

Like the black hole thing

[sharp lichen]

The question is, where would they put such a thing? Are there really areas in Sky that are so difficult (besides Eden) that they need to be restricted?

[lyric imp]

And probably also the inside of bells if i had to guess. The candles we light activate darkstone inside the buildings which then causes the gold to move, a lot like the circles in the 8 player door

[sharp lichen]

Perhaps they’re just “weaker”?

[sharp lichen]

I always thought it was the Cyan Light from Enchantment and Prophecy

[sharp lichen]

It also represents the stages of the day and the stages of civilization

[lyric imp]

Or
Or they are suggested ti be the root of realms, being invisible at the bottom of the constellation symbol, and by extention, the eden gate

[faint niche]

it has been 10 minutes of my math's lecture and i am now stuck with sky lore

[lyric imp]

Imo might be a misconception due to him being pretty much evil in the early versions of the lore in concept art, but at this point i'm not really sure. Based on the eden mural, i think his role was kind of complicated. In protoeuropean creation myths, the king in his person combined the 3 main social classes - a peasant, a warrior, and a priest. I think here the king could have played a similar role, with eden being a spiritual, technological, military, and industrial hub that coordinated all the realms, which led to the creation of the eden crystal. It connected the ancestors with the Light, and the king, as its keeper, was the chief priest

Though i suspect he did make mistakes, and dumping industrial waste into wasteland may have been one of them, or at least that's my interpretation

[ornate rampart]

I have always been wondering why the top of Eden has the same 6 elders statues in the exact same position as the top of Vault

[languid island]

Today at birthday dancefloor some spirits actually explained "what the stars are". Too bad I didn't read fast enough. I saw word particles.

[pastel brook]

I got the balloon hat from the spirit at the drink station!

[nimble ingot]

Skykid be eaves dropping hard for lore at the party, lol.

It was hilarious watching the spirit of KTJN chase skykids off the stage and yelling SNEEP SNORP! XD

[icy wing]

Wait what? Party has lore?!

[languid island]

Maybe! It happened at xx:20 show with the strange new entity performing on a panflute

[raw moon]

Wrong chat sorry ignore previous message

[lethal mist]

i always wondered what do these masks do and why we have closed eyes without the mask

[tough sky]

I wondered the same thing

[nimble ingot]

Assumingly, a skykid with closed eyes are less creepy than a pair of glowing eyeballs.
Just ask any ancestor with diamonds for eyes.

[nimble ingot]

It is possible that it is implied that the top of vault that we see in the realm is a spiritual recreation (echo or memory) of the actual top that is being torn apart as we fly past it in the ascension scene in Eden.

[distant turtle]

https://youtube.com/shorts/0KahSmyvMKQ?feature=share Aurora Sky lore drop just kidding sorta

[nimble ingot]

Sadly, that did not ring true for the trees in the Oreo area in Prairie. /hj

[earnest briar]

yo lore chat I got a screenshot of that thing about stars someone in the party mentioned. Apparently they come from a particle emitter that's parented to the player so that when the player moves, it moves too. It wasn't actually lore, just a irl explanation for how the star in the wave concert emote follows our hand.

[median onyx]

@sleek hedge yeah anyways I may be reaching a lot but this blog just talked a lot about the similarity’s that’s the sky kingdom has and us in their theory’s

[lyric imp]

Consider

There are 2 types of shields - the ones with the sun (light symbol?) and the ones with the diamond. The sun ones are scattered throughout the entire battlefield, while the diamond ones are few and mostly at the end of the battefield just before the gate switch.
The diamond can be seen above the gate of the wasteland temple (3rd pic), suggesting it may have belonged to the defenders' side, the temple.
On the other hand, the sun shields are seen in two more places: in the small temple at the end of eden 1, and held by the elder statue.
Not gonna lie, this is confusing.

[median onyx]

It was a civil war probably

[icy wing]

Perhaps sun shield side tried to stop the industrialization by the diamond side and failed?

[native galleon]

oh yes those are definitely a thing
there are a few different theories on what the symbols mean, my preferred one is that the sun stood for the Light and nature, and the diamond represented dependence on darkstone. It’s not my theory but it is the one that seems to have the most evidence and it’s what i base my assumptions on

[median onyx]

Probably, disagreements over the draining of animals such as the manta and butterfly, would probably check out because the manta draining facility was held underground and secret, means that it would be bad if people knew

[icy wing]

Bruh when I found that facility in Abyss my heart literally sank because I was having so much fun exploring then I found that...

[median onyx]

But the tricky part is who fought who, it was definitely the elders splitting up, they never liked the isle elder due to something happening, I’m guessing maybe the prince had something to do with it

[raw moon]

Sorry to ask but... who is the prince... I'm assuming not the little prince

[young gull]

alef i think, the eden elder ig?

[median onyx]

I don’t know if the prince and the little prince are the same, I haven’t completed the story in game I only know of a “prince” character

[icy wing]

(I love discussing lore without ever having been to Eden)

No need to apologize, from my limited understanding the prince refers to the guy at Eden with the darkstone

[native galleon]

Oh, people knew. Forest temple is literally a refinery/factory with the light draining mechanism above the shrine, there’s a similar factory in the center of wasteland and industrial infrastructure throughout, the concert shows them capturing lots of mantas out in the open in valley…this was not a secret

[lusty merlin]

I like to think it was valley!

Mainly for what was stating above but valley also has major use in darkstone, and probably needed IR so much they relied on it

And the cyclone would be possible because both recited the cyan (wind) light in the prophecy mural so I always liek to think it was between those two realms

[raw moon]

This makes me not wanna go to forest temple again the mantaaaas nooo 😭

[nimble ingot]

strange how both symbols have this enclosed shell like design, with the inner shape being repeated in the outer frame.
I wonder what that would mean when applied to what they represent?

We know triangles and diamonds are often associated wtih ancestors through their architecture, decorative designs and symbolism (that being man made structures).
Whereas with the orb, it is often associated to the flying orbs of light we can find in the realms, a natural/organic shape that contrasts the elders. Not to mention the rounded shape may symbolise an infinite cycle (no corners to imply a beginning or end).

Suppose on side (diamonds) were fighting for the domination of man (civilisation). And the other (orbs) were fighting for domination of the light (meaning to hinder the progress of civilisation that leveled mountains and deforest entire regions).

May explain how some ancestors are more dedicated to caring for nature and its creatures, and others were more dedicated to urban based careers (boat builders, architects, priests and miners).

[native galleon]

No you gotta go there bc you release the mantas at the end !!!!

[icy wing]

That's true... It's very likely we're reliving spirits from both sides

Here's a thought, was the Isle Elder ostracized because they stayed neutral?

[nimble ingot]

Skykids be setting things straight in the realms, one candle at a time.

[lusty merlin]

They’re a weird charater but basically we think it’s the central figure in the prophet mural, last mural in vault cutscene and the eden mural as both have similar headpieces.

A lot of us think they were a central part, as they did complete the trails and gifted some of the color light to some of the elders. Through other than that not much is known abt them, what happened to them or where they are

But they are important

[median onyx]

I think it’s cus they didn’t agree with what the others did maybe or it’s cus they were neutral

[native galleon]

I think most of the realms would have been neutral, Isle seems to be against the use of darkstone itself from the very start which would be loooong before the war

[icy wing]

Hmm probably they all initially agreed to use it except Isle and then slowly entered civil war as they harvested more and more creatures

[lyric imp]

Okay, but hold on a second. We see that the strife seemed to progress from the wasteland refinery (unless it got destroy in a different way?) through boneyard where we see catapults, to the battlefield. The wasteland temple defended itself because the gate is still in place, not destroyed, contrary to the barricade/wall gate.
What doesn't make much sense to me that temple was probably wasteland elder's side, but temple has the diamond symbol, while wasteland elder has the sun. Can anyone help me make sense of that? What do you think wasteland elder stood for, and if it was nature, how come the situation developed in wasteland towards technology?

[icy wing]

Hostile takeover? In the Wasteland Elder's memory we see them desperately trying to fight off unseen enemies before collapsing

[lyric imp]

I thought it was more of a showcase of his role and abilities

[nimble ingot]

Possibly?

They were once called a ferryman in concept art, and this trend is applicable in the live game through the presence of boats in the realm.
In Light Awaits, the elder was seen powering/guiding/raising boats. Albeit they are now a days more akin to being a guide to birds who also make an appearance in the realm.

What is unfortunate in terms of gameplay. The realm is underated due to it being the defacto tutorial realm. A realm that has the hallmarks of the othre realms, but lacks the involvement. Aside from the lack of quests and events, the realm mantaines a distant stance with the elder absent from the Eden Gate.

Suppose that the elder could be indifferent to skykids going into Eden, since they have not sealed the gate.
Perhaps the elder is in favor of skykids going to eden, since the realm is seemingly the only one to receive fallen skykids (those who arrive as falling stars).
Whereas the other elders potentially may have been against the idea unless they give their blessing?
I don't know to be honest at this stage, but am intrigued to see where this chain of thought could lead.

[native galleon]

In my hc neutrality would look different for those not involved in the fighting like

• Isle has been like “i told you so” from the very beginning
• Prairie…I wasn’t sure until recently, except for the fact that they would want to protect the animals and nature but wouldn’t fight, moments seems to confirm this with the amounts of untouched darkstone etc
• Forest is MESSYYYY bc they’re kinda stuck between both sides and end up being like. Problematically neutral #lore-discussion-spoilers message
• Vault shuts down, doesn’t fight obviously and just focuses on preserving what’s there and helping refugees

[sharp lichen]

A fan-made name for the Eden Elder

[sharp lichen]

(Why haven’t you been there, there’s a lot of lore buried beneath that death) /lh

[icy wing]

Yes that would make sense
Isle says I told you so
Prairie avoids the conflict almost completely
Forest enters a cold civil war. They seem to support sun but we see through their ancestors (like the one that used to chase away jellyfish) that they also mined and supplied likely the diamond side
Wasteland entered a hot civil war
Vault kept refugees and locked down but I seem to recall a couple of spirits there having battle memories

[nimble ingot]

Qouting Sky in regards to Eden (spoiler for those who have not been there and lived the tell the tale),
||"The real Journey starts here..."||
It is a pivotal and necessary chapter in skykids' journey in Sky.

[icy wing]

(Promised my gf first time would be with her or with my sister)

[sharp lichen]

Fair enough

[native galleon]

the battle memories are from the refugees in season of remembrance, they presumably escaped wasteland

[icy wing]

Oh yeah good point

[sharp lichen]

I would headcanon each of the realms respond in this order

-Tensions start rising in the Wasteland eventually causing a civil war, with the diamond side and the sun side. Wasteland Elder switches over to sun side.

-Vault is technically neutral, but due to its strategic position it becomes influenced by the sun side.

-Valley wants to keep its darkstone flow going, so it intervenes slightly on behalf of the diamond side

-Forest would be mostly neutral, but there would be internal discontent between the Forest Elder and groups such as the Lightseekers and Flight Crew.

-Eden, which is not that populated, is occupied by the sun side

-Prairie tries to keep its close ties with Forest, but it gets more isolated over time and slightly supports the Sun Side

-Isle tries to ignore the conflict entirely, leading to them being ignored by the other realms in return

[icy wing]

I wonder if all the darkness in Forest was because of their affiliation with the diamond or punishment from the sun

Also due to their elder maybe they were kind of like the arms and supplies dealer?

[sharp lichen]

I think Forest supplied darkstone early on, but Wasteland had much larger potential due to having more space+ a better climate

[limber copper]

wrong chat, sorry-

but wait... did humans ever exist in sky?

[sharp lichen]

No, the closest thing to it would be spirits when they were still living

[icy wing]

Perhaps

Just noticed that every time I burn a darkness plant a couple of butterflies escape which is making me rethink darkness plants in general

Possible byproduct of harvesting light creatures? Maybe due to an earlier/more crude method which is why there are more in Forest?

[native galleon]

I don’t think the darkness is punishment, as in a conscious decision inflicted on them by a higher being. I do, however, think it’s a consequence of the overuse and exploitation of resources.

And yeah, I think Wasteland would have had a bigger capacity for larger-scale operations, but once wasteland isn’t an option anymore I could also see forest being pressured into that position (hence my wording “problematically neutral”)

[limber copper]

ah ok

[native galleon]

omg i came on here to respond to the ping and check if i found all the event tickets

an hour later i am in full tinfoil hat mode

[trim mural]

I was going to respond to 2 pings here but accidentally scrolled all the way down, now I've missed them completely

[native galleon]

you can always search "mentions:(your username)" or check the lil inbox button in the upper right corner

[nimble ingot]

Whether humans existed in sky (in my opinion and understanding of the lore and seasons), is heavily debateable.

On the one hand, the story and setting in Sky would be remeniscent to that of Earth, however would make it clear to the player it is not earth. One could entertain the idea that Sky is an alternate version of Earth, or a parody on human civilisation and spirituality. However, the game establishes this division of Sky's reality to our own (earth's) with the meta it has. The meta being the Office is beyond a portal that specifically set itself separate from the domain of Sky. The meta that Sky is self aware with its influence from earth, but establishes its own narrative.
(In short, Sky is based on human history, but uses that to tell its own story for the player to be a part of through the skykid).

On the other hand, there has been two instances of humans technically in Sky. However under specific circumstances that establishes itself to walk on a line that divides canon, and meta. The Little Prince and Aurora were these humans in Sky, who only visited the realms, and as far as the canon lore is concerned, would not be part of Sky. It is an odd topic to discuss in full and keep as a simple explanation.

The little prince went home to their asteroid after the season ended. This lead to their quests to become a memory (or echo) of their presence. I'd take it as Sky's way to justify the events with the little prince absent. Though realistically speaking, it would be the company's way to keep the character's presence in the season after the it ended for reliving the memories and quests, without a copyright infringement.
Aurora is a similar case, with the difference in the role Aurora plays in her season. Being the narrator and embodying the Light.
Not to mention Aurora's voice in the game leads to the above debate.

Were there humans?
That would be open to interpretation.

[limber copper]

hmmm okay

[lyric imp]

Wasteland had reef which hosted easily the greatest darkstone mining operation in sky. We see the shipwreck filled with darkstone containers and there are much more still left in reef

[neon badger]

Well not as dangerous as Eden I'd say but risky enough that they wouldn't let just let anyone come through. I'd say they could add it in any areas

Maybe add different types of krills depending on the area? That would be cool

[lyric imp]

I think darkness plants are light trapped in darkness, which is why they form around death, they give wax and release butterflies when burnt, and trap mantas.
For thee same reason there's no darlness plants in eden. There's just no light whatsoever.

[lyric imp]

Put in search bar:
In:#lore-discussion-spoilers mentions: @ebon imp

[lyric imp]

I'm pretty sure Aurora might be canon, but i wouldn't say she's human here

[sharp lichen]

Again, such as? The closest thing in difficulty are the Prophecy Trials, and they don’t need WL in the trials themselves

[neon badger]

Hm let's say that these areas do exist right? The reason the are restricted based on WL is because of the risk inside. I'm thinking of this areas being either temporary (like shard event) or maybe permanent (like trials) the difference between this is that unlike trials and shards the danger is more apparent. Let's say if the area is permanent, and one of these areas is in the valley, It could have some sort of dangerous environment/enemies. Let's say that the one in the valley is a restricted area due to the towering mountains it's on, the wind is so strong that it's on par with Eden's (it's like walking on the side of a mountain cliff) and because of the heavy cold it also slowly reduces the lights of skykids. Of course every danger has its rewards so at the end if you complete/get to the end of the area you can maybe get unique cosmetics only available to that specific area, New spells or maybe a large amount of wax

[lyric imp]

I think WL gate in eden is so that skids don't just die before the point of no return. And btw we have an are where the light if sky kids is constantly reduced - hidden forest. Imo it would make sense to put WL gates before areas where you can feasably die, otherwise i'm not sure how useful it'd be. If it's about not letting underprepared sky kids go into an area, then signifying danger with environment should be sufficient. On top of that, sky kids like myself would enjoy going there underprepared, because it poses a challenge - something we don't see a lot of in sky

Also, locking unique good items behind it would make player base angry bc sky attracts chill gamers and competionists at the same time and it could be seen as annoying. Sky isn't the kind of a game where you make sth exclusive based on skill, not when the entire rest of the game is undemanding

[neon badger]

yeah! sky need more endgame content In my opinion

[lyric imp]

God, couldn't agree more

[nimble ingot]

Sky endgame be like:
You need 250 winged light to get past this massive spirit gate.

[neon badger]

jesus i hope not, i imagine it to be a minimum 100 wl

[lyric imp]

There's so much potential in eden. Imo the pipes could lead to krill-ridden sewers that'd connect wasteland and eden directly, or the alternatove pat that the little pronce took while getting to the final stage

The problem is that putting there any reward i can thinkbof other than wl would be nonsensical lorewise

[earnest briar]

tbh I think the Little Prince probably just cheated in the ‘Coolest way to get to Eden’ competition by wrangling a Krill and riding it up to PNR in style to die.

[lyric imp]

250 wl gate would let you get to the crystal from the other side... And then you realise that you die instantly when you touch it

[earnest briar]

We have to go through every single realm and meet all the Elders not to mention collect at least 20 of the shiny lads just to even be allowed into Eden, meanwhile this alien kid is Krill-riding without even having met Krills before now. I have to admit it. The Little Prince is cooler than we ever will be.

Side note but I find it so funny how the Prince decided the best course of action to get home was to just. Die. Yes I know it’s book accurate where he gets bitten by the Snake and seemingly dies in order to go home but my man. My buddy. You are mortal. You are not from the planet Sky takes place on. You do not operate by Sky Kid or Spirit rules regarding death. You should not have been able to be saved by us or go to Orbit with us.

Megabird probably saw his sick Krill-riding skills and went ‘I’ll allow it’.

[sharp lichen]

Yeah, although trials are hard, we need more of them

Most Sky quests are too easy imo

[distant turtle]

I was hopeful for last season but the quests kinda win themselves if you wait since it’s group effort

[neon badger]

imagine sky quest but harcore and gives us ac instead of normal candles?
That would be very interesting. and the quest bored ofc will be in eden lobby

[lyric imp]

I don't think they used technology to guide birds with staffs like isle elder does, so perhaps it's just some elder shenanigans. If they used spears in such a way, they probably wouldn't throw them

[sharp lichen]

Yeah, Elder cutscenes go like this:

Skykid gives light to Elders

Elders use the light to show off their powers

[sharp lichen]

@neon badger Isn't that just Shattering? Although, I would love for a follow-up for that season

@distant turtle I mean it's still good to at least try to complete it

[neon badger]

hm actually yeah it is huh, but shards dont always give ac

[sharp lichen]

That is unfortunate yes, shards used to be much more common but now the AC/red ones fall 3-4 times a week

[lyric imp]

Perhaps isle elder thought the megaproject of building the eden crystal was a horrible idea and would backlash, with all the others working together to do it.
Prairie provided animals whose light would be infused into darkstone, forest was responsible for the industrialisation of all the realms, valley idk, gave them a place to chill, wasteland upscaled mining and industry and mined looots of darkstone for the project, vault developed all kinds of technologies.
Incidentally, isle is the only realm where the shards don't fall and i'm starting to suspect it's not just about the distance

[shrewd kernel]

im late but these are gorgeous! that third one especially is wow

[slender sphinx]

thanks!!!

[viral bay]

GUYS I had a major breakthrough

The rock is a floating head

[tough sky]

I thought it was supposed to be a cloud
But yeah it's an ancestor model with everything except what is on the head being invisible

[viral bay]

I suspect it's the rock from the patch notes

[lusty merlin]

Nah it’s just a model that’s glitched for some reason

[scenic siren]

Does that means that fantasy planet spins super slow? Wouldn't that burns the surface?

[lusty merlin]

I mean since it’s a fantasy world ig it doesn’t affect it

[compact shale]

Yeah
it makes a bit of sense symbolically for Reliance but feels anticlimactic for Alignment :(

[distant turtle]

I liked them but if you get confused you still win, and then it’s over. In trials there was more gameplay because of failure.

[tropic zodiac]

Has this been discussed yet? The shelves with the isle constellation are completely empty, while the others are filled with memory stones, but lack constellations

[distant turtle]

Good point but it got me thinking about something else. Do you think after floor 2 that the memory lanterns have lost their integrity, “spilled” and that’s why we have this dreamy Vault environment that doesn’t look like a building anymore?

[ocean grove]

Thats interesting- could this line up with the isle elders mask not being featured on the eden gate?

[desert ridge]

It probably has to do with Isle not really having much to record to the memory cubes

[sharp lichen]

I still have no idea what “the rock” is

[sharp lichen]

I think it rather means that the time in Sky is distorted, so it passes by super slowly

(Side note, where did you find it? I would be interested to read it)

[native galleon]

Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson, of course /j

[potent sedge]

Huh, the beginning candle story thingies (I forgot what they were called) in isle of dawn says that the ancestors connected the realms by starlight

I wonder if the portals seen at (whatever it is before orbit but after Eden) used to be the first realms but they had to move to another area (aka what we call the sky kingdom now)

[nimble ingot]

It could be a subtle reference to how gravity can affect time.
Whereas when you are closer to a black hole, time around you slows down, which in turn means time further away from you is faster by comparison.

There is a fantastic film called Interstellar that showcased this with the astronauts visiting a water planet that orbits a black hole. The time they spent on the planet was a few minutes. While time away from the black hole went by much faster.
The way the film showcased this one of the astronauts had to stay behind to watch the space station. The astronauts returned to see their friend much older than them.

[nimble ingot]

found the source, it is a poem for the manta plush
https://thatskyshop.com/products/manta-plush-38

One day in Sky unfolds,
One year on earth goes by.
Waltz through the clouds,
Uncover the ancient land.
United by brave hearts,
With Manta in flight.
Savor each moment,
Gliding with delight.

[brave elbow]

Ngl I’m kinda disappointed with the new season area(hear me out). I love how the skids apparently broke thru the cave wall to find it but it feels so empty comparatively without architecture/“empty on purpose”

They should’ve added more light creatures to make it feel like it was bursting with life. It’s been a while since the dive update and we’re still barely getting the occasional underwater plant 💀 not even any fish in the river

[fervent knoll]

You mean Season of Shattering is over and no sequel?

[potent sedge]

How do y'all interpret the credits with the candle?

[sharp lichen]

Nah we’re beefing now 🗣️ /lh Prairie Peaks is Peak

[distant turtle]

I was talking about Passage, but if Shattering was a place we could visit more that would be cool. Was the strange manta scene in the ending of Abyss very similar to the shattering voids?

[nimble ingot]

All dark rooms in Sky are as follows:
The death room (when skykids die in the realms, outside of Eden)
The Eden death room (after dying in Eden and before ascending)
The 6 Shattering dark rooms.
The inside of the Abyss Leviathan

And that would be it.
One could suggest the trials, though they are notably not dark more void like.
Although they are locations in the game that has suggestively no real location in the realms. Albeit, they are shown on the map whereas the shattering dark rooms are not.

Should TGC add the dark rooms to the map, since they have winged light in them?

[raw moon]

Are there maps to show how the locations in a realm like up? I'm not talking about how they are in the in game map, I'm saying is there one that looks more like rooms that line up with each of the area in relativity to one another

[brave elbow]

No listen to me listen to me it is super cool but it’s so big. Flying around is super annoying bc it’s an actual landmass without clouds or candle clusters and there’s so much dead space which is nice for pictures but not many points of interest except the spirits

[frigid tinsel]

Yea: https://youtu.be/BUqHEj0Ogts

[brave elbow]

I’m happy we have permanent seals but they don’t help me restore wings :(. The butterflies r only in the starting bit and the birds don’t do much. They could’ve had crabs in the caves and mantas around the falls like sanctuary, it doesn’t feel like a thriving ecosystem away from the edensplosion

[earnest briar]

Yeah! I think Prairie Peaks could take a lot more inspiration from Sanctuary. Sanctuary has all those dark plants and candle cakes hidden around for you to find as a reward for exploring. Like, imagine if there was a little minigame you could play in Prairie Peaks where you launch yourself into the air with a geyser and have to go through a little flying obstacle course that's like a mix of the hoop Assembly quest and the Valley flying race. I think that'd be super fun.

[pastel brook]

[sharp lichen]

That’s true, it would probably be easier with a friend/prop

[desert ridge]

peaks shoulda had something like the abyss eel since there are no candles or real reason for there to be candles

[brave elbow]

Oooh yeah some sort of unique creature

They already have the night birds? Although it seems to just be visible getting the spirit. Would’ve been neat to have that cave system be full of nests in all the nooks and crannies and the night birds swooping around

[brave elbow]

Omg yesss. Or even with the crystals bc I have no idea what they are. Lore reasons is it similar to the darkstones (I think that’s what it’s called?)

[sharp lichen]

Yes, those crystals are probably just an unrefined version of darkstone

[brave elbow]

Thought it was made in the reef refinery, maybe it’s “natural” dark stone and the refinery makes artificial stone bc the crystal is rare?

[sharp lichen]

Yeah, but I also think there were other refineries besides the Treasure Reef. It was just the largest/most important of them all

[brave elbow]

Yeah all through wasteland. And there’s a dark stone boat for the area so it’s gotta be using something lol

[desert ridge]

I dont think abyss was refining artifical darkstone, its probably that there was just so much natural darkstone there that they decided to also have an on-sight refinery (assuming there even is one)

[hushed steeple]

Gloating Narcissist has the exact same outfit is one of the valley elders actually!
All the way down to the prosthetic arm!

[potent sedge]

Wait strange manta?

[hushed steeple]

Oh, I know what you’re talking about!
When we freed the manta from Ruby!!!
The answer is no, the abyss one was an actual manta whereas shattering is all memories, not real structures(to an extent.)

[distant turtle]

My head canon is that the giant factory (2D image on the horizon in game) to the left across water in the first part of Wasteland is a later version of what Abyss season area was.

[earnest briar]

I think you mean the Elders. Guides are for the Seasons. Also both Valley Elders have prosthetics.

[hushed steeple]

Pfft, I totally said elders the first time and didn’t accidentally type guides when I meant elders./s

[lyric imp]

No. They're meant to be memories, not places. Though this begs the question what the trials are exactly. My guess is that trials are something like pocket domensions, while the dark rooms are visual representations of metaphysical states/memories, and are immaterial

[lyric imp]

I have a feeling it was kind of meant to be empty... And i also have a feeling it was a bad decision. Though perhaps we'll see something in future quests, i hope.
But the water part of peaks is pretty underwhelming and it may be an overlook that creatures don'tvrecharge us, but aside from that, i feel like a modest ecosystem with no really large creatures has its own aesthetic. I feel like of we were to put mantas there, they'd feel disproportionally large

[lyric imp]

Probably no wax was kind of intended, too. I suppose devs wanted peaks to be for visual artists what harmony hall is for musicians or something, though it may lead to peaks becoming dead very quickly after the season

[brave elbow]

Oh tru. Maybe the smaller mantas but mainly fish and more birds, since there’s a spirit relating to them

Unfortunately there’s not much to do in peaks even though I love the day cycle

[lyric imp]

I don't think reef had a proper refinery. It seems to me that it may have been mostly a mining and research facility.
Consider: we see this box thing put in refinery spot where in concept art raw darkstone was put in. Hence, they're probably raw darkstone containers. Then, we have shipwreck with lots and lots of raw darkstone. Then we have reef with lots of those containers. To my mind the ship that's now the shipwreck used to transport raw darkstone from reef to wasteland. There'd be no point transporting raw darkstone of they could make power diamonds on a larger scale themselves, probably.
Counterpoint, though - we don't know how power diamobds were transported, though i doubt it would be in identical containers to raw darkstone

Okay i just realised Termination said that 2 messages later and i just elaborated on it ._.

[sharp lichen]

To be honest, many seasonal areas have already become “dead” after the season ends

Places such as the Forgotten Ark (market area not as relevant), Treehouse, (chill relaxing spots are now more and more common) and Repository (shared memories everywhere) have become less relevant, one could argue.

However, I will claim that no area is “dead”. Every one has a unique environment, unique music (rip Starlight Desert), and unique ambience that makes them distinct.

[lyric imp]

Lore chat, consider: krills charge you with eye and horns, have short and unmaneuverable limbs, so... Do you think a krill could do anything if you hugged its head from behind and tried to ride it?

[sharp lichen]

I like where you’re heading…

But good luck staying on!

[brave elbow]

Skykid rodeo with krill instead of broncos, last one to get yeeted wins!

[tough tide]

If you fly above a krill it can twist its whole body to look at you, im a little spooked to try

[leaden field]

I've tried to do that before..

[desert bobcat]

someone said to me that people got mad cause someone gave pronouns to grandma

why is that?

we all know spirits dont have any gender, but we still can give our headcanon pronouns i think, its not like its their actual pronouns(if they have some)

why was that?

who did got mad?

from what i saw one day yall are very chill

[lusty merlin]

Think from out of context message everyone assume the spirits were agender and strictly used they/them, but seen in the 2nd pinged message in the channel that’s not the case. The spirits use they/them but the devs made it like that so we can interpret it however we wish

[hushed steeple]

yeah kinda wished that was more known two years ago

[desert bobcat]

hi kali

just got curious about it and asked here, didnt know it was that apart from our time now

[hushed steeple]

shouldn't you be in cozy during my skyverse dump?

[desert bobcat]

sorry kali, i got curious, but read everything so far i think

[lusty merlin]

Yeah I always assumed because of kitjns message that they had no gendered pronouns but now I knew it’s just an interpretation thanks to the pinned message. I still use they/them because that’s what I’m used to but if you use she or he for spirits that’s totally okay too. Can even use she for spirits that would look masculine to some and he for spirits that do look feminine ect

Like I’ve seen she/her used for and I love it. I think it’s very cool

[desert bobcat]

i still use he/him for both twins, idk, they are pretty similar and competitive, which is commonly atributed to male gender

but not always right tho

[scenic siren]

I actually used she/her for in my skyverse since I have a friend irl with that hair who is a super cool girl

[lusty merlin]

Yeah I get you, and that’s totally okay that you do. Like I feel aslong as other folks arnet trying force their interpretations upon eachother and say ones right and the others wrong then do whatever. If you want you can use the pinned message to show it’s completely okay to do so

[tepid veldt]

he/him bookworm lives rent free in my brain

[narrow crag]

So I wanted to ask you lore keepers, what would be the purpose of the krill? Why they exist? How they came to exist?

[lusty merlin]

They’re confirmed corrupted yet there’s no solid idea on what creature they were before. For all we know they could’ve been creatures like whales that just existed before they got corrupted

[narrow crag]

Ooh. Cause my friend is been yeeted by the leviathan looking krill. And then was talking to me about a theory. And yes like you he thinks is perhaps the whale or manta rays who got corrupted cause pollution.

Although we see the story more of a cautionary environmentalist story

[lusty merlin]

Ya I agree with the last part! I personally think the closest creature we have to what a could’ve been was this one creature in the switch trailer for similar size and the single gloawing eye but that’s about it

Context, it’s a stretch but I feel it’s one of the more likely ones, whales are too big with to many differences which I see what others think the krill used to be

[narrow crag]

Yes. Although we think that’s why the krill in the treasure area has no hat is cause is serious business!!

I do wanna know more of the story in the game but I tend to hyper focus on the tasks and forget to just take stuff in.

[lusty merlin]

Nah that’s totally fair, sky lore is purposely open ended in a lot of aspects, something i like and don’t like. A lot of key stuff are also outside the game too, (shattering poems, mainly) Can always take stuff in a little at a time and slowly piece them, you can also focus on certain things than the story as a whole, whatever works best

[narrow crag]

Are they posted? I did get the ||manta ray 38 inch plushie|| it had a poem but give language barrier I was confused

[lusty merlin]

Ya here are all of them linked

[covert storm]

Sorry to appear out of nowhere and intrude ur conversation but i feel like it’s kinda strange that every single krill was corrupted, maybe they were creatures similar to mantas from before and slowly mutated/evolved into krills? Just a thought lol

Or has there been confirmation that that’s not true

[lusty merlin]

I also found it strange but since Jenova is tgcs creative director and co founder I just take this screenshot at face value

[sharp lichen]

It’s likely because the game itself refers to all spirits and Skykids by they/them pronouns.

It’s by no means an easy topic to discuss, however. I think there’s not much reason personally to gender the spirits

[covert storm]

So it could be possible that they were some sort of light creature and something corrupted them causing all of them to evolve and mutate

[narrow crag]

Yees! I shall read once I’m done with sleep. Thank you!!

[lusty merlin]

Ya I can definitely see that, maybe the corruption that affect krill can be a sort of disease to them? Like how certain animals have certain viruses that only affect said animal

[covert storm]

Another thing, maybe it wasn’t a sudden corruption, maybe it was a few sky centuries and it got worse throughout the generations?

[covert storm]

True

[lusty merlin]

personally that would be a little too long a time. Like I feel anceators would’ve tried to get rid of them so they wern’t a major threat in the early stages and cause another thing in the war in wasteland (which they were shown to be active in for seed of hopes memory)

[covert storm]

Huh I was thinking more like they were still peaceful and only violent in the last stages ?

[austere bridge]

(sorry to interrupt, it’s just been a hot minute)

[lusty merlin]

I think the only time I’ve seen a peaceful krill is the one with the little prince, yet I think that’s because he’s either not from our world or isint made of light. Krills in other instances attack everything they see except each-other: light creatures, ancestors, and sky-kids

[covert storm]

Yeah I guess that makes more sense

[narrow crag]

Didn’t the krill take the prince though?

[lusty merlin]

Nah in the cutscene the krills entirely peaceful, doesn’t even switch to the red light. The prince is implied to die in eden shown in the last quest

(Stole a playthrough) but ya here, they’re chill

[desert bobcat]

can we talk here about the concept art about the connected and indifferent alignments?

[raw moon]

It reminds me of the part from the movie dunno if it's a spoiler so I'll mark it, ||the little prince is talking to the snake and the aviator/pilot realized he is taking to one so he runs towards him to try and stop it, kind of similar to the sky kid here maybe, in both the movie and cutscene he is sitting on a wall/stones ||

[lusty merlin]

I mean you can but a ton of concept art ideas like the main story and themes were scrapped

[narrow crag]

I guess I was so scared for him I kinda forgot. Ngl I kept try to fly to save him against krill and make krill into sushi

[hushed steeple]

idk if this is a spoiler so same

|| OK S O ARE WE Going to ingore the fact that season of aurora is coming back?? they ahve already anounced. it, SO, i think there is DEFINETLY soething IMPORTANT going o with aurora||
(in game ofc)

[lusty merlin]

I mean after the season it became locked with the wings so I think they’re opening it again so more can enjoy without them

[hushed steeple]

i remember someone said

"the concert cant be cannon if future moths cant have acces to it"

hmm.... i wonder that now

[lusty merlin]

That’s honestly a silly thing to say because like the content is still aviable in videos and photos, and it has so much stuff too, I still think it’s silly it’s not free for everyone but yeah

[hushed steeple]

mmh

[hushed steeple]

thats what i tought XD

but yes, idk who it was, but

TAKE THAT SECRET POERSO

[earnest briar]

I like to think that whatever the Krills were before how we see them today were forced to adapt and mutate into our beloved bendy buddies in order to survive something. Perhaps the pollution prevalent in Wasteland, perhaps hunting of their kind for use in darkstone powering. It worked! A little too well since their hardiness increased as they became Dark Creatures, but so did their aggression as they started attacking anything on sight regardless of if it was actively hostile to them.

If you don’t know what’s a threat or not, then attack everything not you just to be safe.

Except for the Little Prince because he’s cooler than we ever will be. Kid’s doing a capeless run of Sky and would probably die from stuff we can easily shrug off but decided to go to literally the most non tourist-friendly place in Sky to go home and succeeded in getting to Stormlock by himself. If he was a Sky Kid he would be far too powerful for this world because he could just look at a shard and it would shatter in fear.

[lyric imp]

I think the manta centpede-leviathan theory is exteemely probable, and if it is, the extent of change can be pretty insane.
I used to strongly disagree with the manta-krill theory, but we see the 8-winged mantas in the mural and we never see them in game, thus either dead or transformed. At the same time i found it shaky to assume krills just randomly flew in and decided to hang out underwater.
My theory is that light creatures who manage to survive the loss of their light turn into dark creatures.

[sharp lichen]

He’s gonna get the Sky COTL Eye of Eden Flapless WR

[hushed steeple]

LORECHAT

might anyone have the link to the uno fanfic?

Please qwq

Help me wwq

[hushed steeple]

…. I was scrolling trough discord for like, this much time, and jow i have to wait a motnh for being able to read it….. implodes

[native galleon]

what

oh, yeah, I locked it because I feel a lil bit weird about even making it in the first place, but i didn’t want to fully delete it if people enjoy

[hushed steeple]

I was acrolling trough lore chst for findinf it, y’know for the adaptation, but i cant get in sooo…

Yey

WHRE ARE THE KRILLS

I shall wait till next motnh… well nvm

And noni am jot going to pay you ||@actors||

[crisp socket]

i feel like reassuring ranger is somewhat related to cackling cannoneer ._.
no hear me out: the hair has the ringed/braided motif, the masks are very detailed, asymmetrical cape, same outfit

[desert ridge]

thats a stretch
it not like the spirits we see are the only ancestors that existed

[azure saddle]

Are the performance gang just stuck on limbo or are they in their own personal heaven, cause usually season spirits In the end of the season flies away and pass on and we can relive their memories in our spare time but all of the performance spirits are chilling inside harmony hall

I don't know if there's other season spirit groups that decided to stay on their respective season area after the season ends

[frigid tinsel]

The last Performance season quest shows the spirits ascending, so canonically they have. Arguably, you can say their presence in Harmony Hall is just a feature or they descend sometimes to hang ojt there

[lusty merlin]

Yaya they also show the decending animation for them when you enter harmony hall

[azure saddle]

Well spirits can descend on command, but it's neat they hangout in harmony Hall :] other seasonal spirits probably starts playing rock paper scissors in heaven to who's gonna visit home every 2 weeks

[orchid jolt]

In https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/Talk:Creatures, the clams are in the light creature section. aren't they likely dark creatures instead (yes they give wax that recharges you, but so do dark plants. also, the pearls are the exact same as the dark plant bulbs)?

i mean, to get the wax you destroy the clams just like dark plants. you just lift them up or something instead of burning them, beside from that they are the exact same

[desert ridge]

Well we don’t kill other light creatures so I’m I’m inclined to say neutral

[cobalt palm]

That's similar to the bouquets of flowers at the village theater, unless they are dark plant bouquets

[desert ridge]

If we are breaking or killing and it’s not a dark spawn, it’s probably neutral or food

[nimble ingot]

Skykids be True Neutral unless taken as otherwise because of their players.

[desert ridge]

I would say that the ancestors are more true neutral, I mean no matter what we further the light’s goal

[orchid jolt]

also, are crabs really dark creatures? technically speaking, isnt more that they are corrupted neutral creatures? I mean, we have peaceful crabs in sanctuary and wasteland graveyard, not just the non-canon areas. And we see that these crabs don't have dark dust on them.

I would say that they should be under dark creatures on the wiki but at least with a mention of the neutral crabs (which it seems like was removed on the wiki)

[orchid jolt]

i mean, skykids could be neutral creatures that are just aligned with the light

[frigid tinsel]

You can still find Pleading Child and Wounded Warrior in their spits in the Repository of Refuge. I think the devs forgot about them

[nimble ingot]

Possible.

Personally, some variety may be warranted given the amount of characters skykids meet across season and their themes.

Take for instance the tumbling troublemaker and the cackling canoneer would likley have chaotic tendensies. Whereas spirits such as grandma or ascentic monk for example would likley be on the good spectrum.
Regardless of which spirit is what, the devs have created a rich variety of characters in personality, looks and roles.

[somber moss]

I had a realization during my eden run today

Im pretty sure this is the megabird?? At least according to what ive seen people say here so the end credits were zooming out to fully show the Light

[deft mountain]

im pretty sure ive seen a couple of people on tumblr talking about this being megabird as well !

[desert ridge]

yeah crabs are neutral

also that picture just looks like a candle flame

[orchid jolt]

wax flame in the negatives of the image and megabird in the positives of the image (as in the yellow is megabird and the empty area forms a wax piece), thats how ive always seen it tbh

[desert ridge]

I dont understand how its supposed to look like a bird though, I mean if its just the lit section, it would have to be very curled over on itself for a bird

[orchid jolt]

also, seems like a good time to bring this back up

[orchid jolt]

thats the thing, megabird never looks like a bird. you know the wing meter on top of the screen? yeah, thats what megabird looks like in ALOT of beta art. ignore the red circles

[orchid jolt]

This is an old megabird compilation from Kamilico. Contains an image of a moral around the ||office|| portal

[desert ridge]

why megabird though and not light

[orchid jolt]

? Cause that is the "main" megabird shape?

[desert ridge]

I mean its not a bird, its just a light
why is its name megabird

[lusty merlin]

Think it’s kinda like the situation with the elder concept names. A lot of people use them when in reality it’s fanon than anything else

[orchid jolt]

Difference being we see this megabird shape often in modern sky

[lusty merlin]

Yeah but like darkstone, the name is taken from concept art yet the name itself never appeared ingame

So like I just think why we call them megabird is because it’s one of the few things from concept that carried over into the game, yet since it’s never been namedropped we don’t know if the name was changed or not

[orchid jolt]

Literally, no clue

[orchid jolt]

Woops, I thought you were talking about that shape representing megabird, not the name being megabird

[lusty merlin]

It happens

[desert ridge]

darkstone makes sense, but I feel like having our main deity be called "megabird" is really goofy
honestly just sounds like waste posting

[lusty merlin]

Well it’s already deeply settled into the fandom so it is what it is, can always use a differnt name for them if you want

[sharp lichen]

It’s a very strange name. “The Light” is the most common official name, but it’s extremely vague.

[earnest briar]

Yoooooo I just came up with a cool alternate name for it that could still keep the bird part of the name. How about Bird's Path? It's another name for the Milky Way and can also refer to the stream of birds the Isle Elder summoned that guide us all the way to Eden, which is how we get to Orbit.

[orchid jolt]

i mean, tbh i feel like its more that "The Light" isnt referring to Megabird but rather to Megabird's "domain" (as in light itself and things made of light or from light and that kind of stuff)

tbh, what WOULD anything be called in lore? I mean, skykids dont really have a language like humans do (i doubt the chat system is actually canon), honestly the crabs are almost certainly not technically called crabs in the actual world of sky. if skykids do have a language system, its honks and emotes, this is likely crab, level 3 and 4 specifically being for "knocked over crab"/"knock crab over".

[orchid jolt]

thing is, "Megabird" refers to the entity, or a force of nature type deity

by "force of nature type deity" i mean like, say in a religion rather than believing in an entity type god they believe in a force instead that is (likely) non-sentient

[keen shore]

the question is whether Megabird still exists as an entity provably and distinguishably separate from the Light

[hushed steeple]

I’ve always associated the two as one.

[soft timber]

It is what it is

[slender sphinx]

i thought this was cool

[hushed steeple]

Do sky kids erode?/hj

[orchid jolt]

Well, we do see what look to be skykid statues crumble to dust

[orchid jolt]

||in the second section of Eden, right before the hallway that leads to sacrifice, you encounter 5 statues. The first two have blue crystals covering them while the last 3 have no dark dust or crystals on them but crumble away in the wind when you approach them (unless they changed/fixed it, approaching them from the front correctly can let you get close to them without them crumbling) it can be hard to actually notice the last 3 statues btw||

[hushed steeple]

Yeah, I know. I was just being slightly silly while asking the serious question of whether or not the skin of a sky kid erodes over time(while living).
Anywho, I’m headed to bed.

[orchid jolt]

Ah, while living. Hmm. ||In sacrifice, we do see the cape become tattered and now skykids can have crystals grow out of them when their light gets knocked out. It does heal though||. I saw the half joking thing and was answering for the other half lol. Sleep well btw!

[hushed steeple]

Yes, good sleep I have plz!
Zzzzzzzxzzz

[magic hemlock]

This is really dumb but do sky kids have organs? There’s an underwater meter and emotes like sneezing and and other stuff but they’re made outta wax I think so that doesn’t seem possible

[lusty merlin]

there was like this one letter when tgc was testing the ingame mail with a poem with krill, i think they mention skykid organs begin sweet?? i could be misrembering the organ part tho

if im right then yeah i guess they do, but if im not then i guess it really depends what you think. could also be fantasy biology doing it's thing

[lusty merlin]

stole a screenshot (ty random user)

okay im kind of correct?? the word was innards and not organs, yet this was just a test during beta (again for testing the inbox) so the short poem could be pass off as jokes

so ya feel free to believe what you wanna believe

[compact shale]

I'm of the personal belief that the underwater thing is more of "how long until you get so waterlogged that you start to get extinguished?"

[median onyx]

It kinda depends ingame it’s depicted as a bird sort of, it resembles a beak shape sometimes and in some pictures has wings, then again in other pictures it resembles a big jellyfish, not sky jellyfish irl jellyfish

Imo all those pictures are like ideal depictions of what it actually looks like, all these pictures probably came from ancestors and spirits not the elders themselves

Therefore no one actually knows what the mega bird looks like apart from the sky kids purely because these people drawing these pictures have actually never seen it, reincarnation probably wipes one’s memory

Since we never see no definite shape the general term is mega bird probably because it’s head resembles a beak a lot of the time

[lyric imp]

I would say ancestors can have different alignments depending on the specific person

[lyric imp]

How much of this is concept art?

[lyric imp]

So we have this tentackly light thing that was megabird in concept art and we have flight meter that vaguely resembles it. And then we have the art in orbit that has been sent above that looks very different from the og megabird art

[lyric imp]

Unlike megabird that's very specific but rather inaccurate at this point. What i noticed is that the linrs in orbit vaguely make a shape of a bird, but i might be hallucinating and this seems to ne a stretch. Imo we could just say that the Light often shows itself in the form of those shining lines, and one of them is this thing that very vagualy resembles a bird... That's very far from the megabird concept art anyway

[desert ridge]

well yeah but in general they are neutral
thats how neutrality of an entire group is determined

[earnest briar]

Thank you!

[lyric imp]

It seems to me kinda like saying humans have true neutral alignment as a species

[lyric imp]

I think there probably isn't a distinct entity called mrgabird and the Light isn't a clear thing either. It may be a compound concept that manifests as a phenomenon, a place and an entity at the same time. There are similarily structured concepts in many belief systems in the world, establishing concepts that are complex and seem paradoxical. The Light might be something similar

Example:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asha

[lyric imp]

Does this genuinely seem canon to you /lh

[tranquil viper]

Im still waiting for the abyys sequel

[lusty merlin]

Just pointing it out since it’s the only mention of it

[lapis plover]

Okay so in Hermit Valley there are two Eden mountains. Is it safe to assume that the smaller mountain is Point of No Return and the larger mountain is the temple we fly through during Rebirth?
Or is there another accepted explanation?

[lusty merlin]

It’s a bug

[lapis plover]

Damn. I'm surprised it's around after so long!

[desert ridge]

I mean it doesn't seem like the devs do much patching on a place that is already in the game

[lapis plover]

True, that haha

[median onyx]

@ocean saddle they took these butterfly’s to factory’s and drained them, the first factory you see is in the hidden forest temple

You gotta look around but once you do it very much resembles a factory

[ocean saddle]

I wonder why there are butterflies inside darkness plants

[median onyx]

There is another factory in the wasteland which was the major factory of the country

[ocean saddle]

maybe it's because when they were drained from energy they become darkness plants?

[sharp lichen]

There may be others, you can see one in the background of the first Wasteland area

[lyric imp]

well, in my understanding creatures after draining generally just die. we have, however, seen darkness plants trap mantas. i think darkness plants are supposed to be light trapped in darkness. that would be why there are no darkness plants in eden, despite lots of polution and red crystals - there's no light whatsoever that could be trapped

and that'd also be the reason why it grows on bones, and in some cases we can do a call of the creature the bones belong to

[weary haven]

I saw a glimmer in the sky while doing my daily candle run. It has that glow around it like the eden crystal and winged light does. There are no other stars in the sky that does this so what do you think it is? Has this been there or did it just recently show up?

[lusty merlin]

ya that always been there, i think eden has always done it. maybe it's to represent like pure light maybe

[unkempt pond]

I wonder if the spirits are all dead, like, i imagine them first having a form like aurora and prince did, what made me think about this that when the season of little prince ended(i think) prince turned blue like other normal spirits are, i think it was cause of him entering the eden and he died, idk i just had this in my mind long time

[lusty merlin]

I mean a spirit mean’s somone is dead so yeah. And in the animation project it shows ancestors with non transparent skin which is what spirits have in the offical art and all

[tight night]

Like Kingdom Hearts! No one knows what it is…is it a place? an entity? An experience? Probably all three… 😂

[tight night]

It’s sooo awesome that we can now zoom in on distant objects. 🤩

[fervent knoll]

silly question, how the crabs corrupted?

[weary haven]

Ikr lol my spying game has increased by a lot!

[weary haven]

In one of the trailers on YouTube there is a scene that shows the crabs as friendly creatures. The spirits would use them like how we would use donkeys. Crabs could carry things like luggage or boxes. Spirits could also ride on them as well (like in the Aurora concert we can ride the crabs). When crabs became corrupt they became smaller creatures and a lot more hostile. They also became darker in color which is more like a dark gray. Before corruption they were light gray.

[ancient canopy]

ohhh I never noticed it! I know there are glimmering stars in orbit and these were the sky children we've saved (the statues in PNR area) if you look up in the sky in orbit. I first thought it was supposed to idk if I can spoiler it but TLP spoiler: ||it might represent the little prince? After he died in Eden||

[earnest briar]

Well, after you complete the final TLP quest (as in go to Eden, save the Little Prince, go to Orbit and be reborn and then land in Starlight Desert for the last cutscene), there will be a star in the sky approximately around the patch above Gloat's stage giving off a small golden-orange glow that wasn't there before. I like to think it's coming from Asteroid B612, and that the Little Prince is telling us that he's okay. He made it home.

[weary haven]

Aweee cute I love that

[hushed steeple]

Aren’t there gold sky kids out of bounds the starlight desert?

Speaking of gloat, they have an absurdly humanoid face.
Even more so than other spirits.
I feel like TGC just used a valley elder model for them.

i HC that a redeemed Resh would look back on his life and be like:

man... was I stupid

Resh: Sheeesh, did I really do that?
All sky kids: angry barrage of honks very angrily yes yes

[raw moon]

Who's resh?

[earnest briar]

in concept art there was a character called the King. Resh is a fan name for them.

[static vessel]

King Resh is the “Elder” of Eden from what I can see. There are tons of concept art of them. A lot of the art you see of them are depicting them as a very tall figure even surpassing the heights of every elder, and there are some where they are depicted as a very small prince

What I think is maybe Resh was a sky child before and suddenly got too corrupted to the point of becoming what they are now. But that’s just what I think

[lusty merlin]

i know that was the plan in the concept art yet i dont think there's anything offical ingame to suggest that still happened

[frigid tinsel]

Gloat’s model is literally sized down

[raw moon]

Are there cannon or at least fan made names for the elders? Just curious

[sharp lichen]

The Elders have names based off Hebrew letters from concept development that are no longer canon, though the fandom sometimes refers to them as such: 

Isle – Daleth (ד) 

Prairie – Ayin (ע) 

Forest – Teth (ט) 

Valley – Samekh (ס) (They share a name. Though fandom often calls one ‘Sah’ and the other ‘Mekh’ to differentiate) 

Wasteland – Tsadi (צ) 

Vault – Lamed (ל)

It seems the devs refer to the Elders by the times of day their realms represent:

Isle – Dawn 

Prairie – Day or Daylight 

Forest – Rain 

Valley – Sunset 

Wasteland – Dusk

Vault – Night

(Eden Elder has a vast array of names in fanon, but none canonically)

[raw moon]

That's pretty cool thanks!

[warm dagger]

Hi lorechat i have a silly question

|| DO SKYKIDS ACTUALLY EAT AND DRINK??? Ik the food n drink stuff r just for fun but yk i just want to hear what y'all think they dont grow at all lmao, they're mouthless anyway (or is it just for the sake of simplicity?) ||

[nimble ingot]

They dont need to eat or drink. Although they can do so presumably as a recreation of what they learned/know about the ancestors.

In the game itself, we dont actually see how skykids eat. Since their animation simply show them bring food and drink to where their mouths would be and the items disappear.
However, given the game's style is known to be minimalistic (some details are simplified or omitted), one can argue that skykids (and other humanoid characters such as ancestor and elders for that matter) do have mouths despite their models in the game lack these details.

This can extend to fingers toes and so on.

[warm dagger]

So they might have a mouth

heheheheh child organs

[nimble ingot]

Welp, speculating on the inside of skykids is a slippery slope on this public forum.
Best not to delve on difficult or controversial topics here.
As there is a good chance the conversation may not go far with little to no users interested to discuss it. Other users may start a different topic to take over the conversation. Or an argument/scene may erupt over a disagreement or offence taken at a topic.

If you want to explore that idea more, perhaps look for a group of people who would be interested and may discuss it in a different server.
The lore of Sky has a lot of avenues for fans to explore. Unfortunately some topics may be too difficult to have a reasonable conversation on in here.

[lyric imp]

i have been thinking that spirits represent memories of some kind. they're not souls, but more like shades of past lives, while the consciousness of a spirit is either reincaranted or god knows where. same way little prince after the season is a memory of him being here from before he was gone

[lyric imp]

in terms of reason, in most cases darkstone pollution and/or darkness plants

[lyric imp]

'now' meaning? i'm not sure the king got corrupted in the final iteration of the story. is there something to suggest that he did?

[hushed steeple]

I dont know if this spirit has been mesured already, but just in case here are some picks

Been on an long vecation, so apology if this guy's been meaured already in the past few weeks😅

[hushed steeple]

That seams about right.
In the end of the book, the prince said to the pilot that his home would be one of the stars in the sky, and that he would be smiling back at him when he looks up
This is a great reference to the ending, where we can actually see the exact star he was talking about☺️

[nimble ingot]

you are ok

[earnest briar]

God, TGC really spoiled me by having my first Season after being able to download Sky be based on one of my childhood favorite books, and I don't mind one bit. Thank you TGC for letting my introduction to Sky be Season of The Little Prince.

[hushed steeple]

There's still some mistery with how krabs become what they are now.
Unlike krill that are born from the fusion of darkness with the bones and spirits of mantas, whales and other sky creatures, krabs seams to be a corupted version of a specific light creature

Even so, there are non agressive versions of crabs in Sanctuary, and crabs show apreciation to you when you free them in boneyard, and they only ever atack sky kids