lore-discussion-spoilers

[hushed steeple]

Also, the skeeny light creature in the abyss area reminds me of a siphonophore a bit.

[sturdy wyvern]

wait hold on. It might be difficult to compare the size of the mega krill to a chibi, but what about comparing it to other krills? I doubt that it wouldn’t have come close to at least one krill during its cutscenes. Maybe we could get at least a vague estimate that way.

[hushed steeple]

That’s actually the whole reason I measured the krill!

The one problem that keeps coming to mind though is that ruby doesn’t have a consistent size

[sharp lichen]

It’s confirmed, but not by Season of Aurora. Jenova Chen said that they’re “corrupted” in an interview

[nimble ingot]

krill for scale O.O

[hushed steeple]

“Wohohohoah!”
-Merleah’s uncle from Barbie in a Mermaid Tail

I think I was prophesized to be gay from the beginning…

There are two types of people:
Sky Raider
And
Baudshaw
/j

THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT!/j

[tepid veldt]

boop

[viral bay]

I disagree. If krills were that big, there would be a much bigger size difference between krills and skykids, considering a skykid looks smaller than an adult (for scale in office)

[hushed steeple]

A chibi is 2ft 3.
Numbers are actually smaller than you think!

[nimble ingot]

Did I scale it wrong on the chart?

[hushed steeple]

I think it’s fine.

[viral bay]

That looks hilarious lmao

[hushed steeple]

That is old skid beklemuth!

[lost pecan]

Hi!! Someone here asked about where I got the screenshots from but I can't find their message unfortunately but!!
The first two screenshots were from the official Animation Teaser on TGC's YT channel, and the third is from the Ushering Stargazer's memory cutscene.

[nimble ingot]

What I learned from Esther and Legokidlogan's measurments is my skykid has a good reason to be shaking in their boots when a krill charges at them at mach 5 speed

[hushed steeple]

Glad I could help you realize that!

[sharp lichen]

It’s not Mach 5, but 30 MPH still hits like a truck

[prisma crane]

this image haunts me now what 😭🤚🏽

[nimble ingot]

had to clean up the edges. Credit to Reika.
Who made more hilarious krill images.
#general-sky-discussion message

[tight night]

Actually, it’s more in The Seed song of the Concert. When we become butterflies and fly across the battlefield we see 2 different armies at war with each other, and the mantas are present; they are either part of the battle, or are caught in the middle of it. Some mantas have spears in them, like they we’re either defending others or were specifically being targeted.

[arctic sphinx]

This thing will hunt my dream rn💀💀

[hushed steeple]

I think it’s a perfect life form.

[arctic sphinx]

Is everyone is talking about krill now?

[hushed steeple]

Generally…

[nimble ingot]

yup.
Today I learned you can dodge a krill underwater.
But it is certainly harder than doing it in the air 😅

[hushed steeple]

O_O
WHAT HAPPENED!!!!!

[arctic sphinx]

We can dodge them underwater too?

[nimble ingot]

I tickled one's toes one too many times....
Coincidently the same one you were measuring.

[hushed steeple]

It was upset it couldn’t reach the chibis i stacked onto it!

[nimble ingot]

just barely.
It may come down to luck and skill in my experience.
It is best to avoid them rather that take a krill by the horns, lol.

[hushed steeple]

Or just take the krill’s horns and say BYE SKRIMP!!!!

[arctic sphinx]

Burned shrimp

[nimble ingot]

Say Esther.
If you are interested in measuring something else, would you consider the weapons in the battlefield (Wasteland)?
If not, it is perfectly fine.

Just had a thought that whoever can wield a spear as big as the ones there would likely be as massive as the elders.

My hypothesis is that they could have been stone giants similar to the one in Office. /hj

[hushed steeple]

Ok! I’m gonna do a few details on my drawing and get on that!

[livid violet]

This is a weird question, but do all spirits use they/them pronouns?

[nimble ingot]

not a weird question, you are ok.

As far as the canon lore goes. All spirits/skykids/elders do not have genders. Which in turn is how they have the pronouns by default.

This is because TGC wants to leave the lore open to interpretation.

For your own skykid, for instance, if you want to present them as XYZ, you are ok to do so.

For the other characters, it is one's opinion to who they would be.
Generally, one can adopt they/them pronouns for the characters of Sky, unless stated otherwise (ex. The little Prince being a boy, and Aurora being she/her).

[frigid tinsel]

The mantas have spears in them cos they’ve been attacked by the soldiers. The mantas are holding spears, they’ve been impaled

[hushed steeple]

Sorry it took so long.
There were a lot of chibis to stack in odd angles.

[nimble ingot]

you are perfectly fine. And thank you! ❤️

The way you worded it makes it sound like you invented a clone machine and you were congregating with your minions to make accurate measurements. XD

Goodness gracious though.
These soldiers must have been ginormous!

[hushed steeple]

They weren’t too great at balancing on one another.

[balmy spoke]

Look at them all, with a million more well on the way

[nimble ingot]

Remind me to buy you a tape measurer for Christmas, Esther.

[hushed steeple]

Ok!

@nimble ingot Remember to buy me a tape measure for chimussst!

[nimble ingot]

For reference, the chibi in these pictures are your prefered look?

[keen shore]

Have you tried using something like the torch or bookshelf props (if you have them)? They might be a bit easier

[hushed steeple]

No,that’s old skid Beklemuth!

[hushed steeple]

I do not have either!
Bit broke generally.
Especially in hearts.

[nimble ingot]

ah ok.
If you can and like to.
May I ask for what your skykid preferably looks like?
I can use the images of cbm measurements for reference if not.

(you can dm btw 👍 )

[viral bay]

I just opened discord and yall can't describe what that giant sticker bestowed to my soul

[viral bay]

I used to think those giant weapons were wielded by the gw elder themself since only they are big enough to do that but... There couldn't have been so many weapons thrown around just by one person, and they couldn't have been on both army sides either.

The whole situation is weird.
Makes me wonder if it's a stylistic choice by tgc to emphasize the war, when in the Sky reality those weapons would've been smaller.

[nimble ingot]

I am not the creator of that magnificent beast. Just a messenger.

[keen shore]

That’s my thought as well! The weapons wouldn’t realistically have been that big, as you say, but the mood Battlefield conveys wouldn’t be nearly as powerful without the effect of them looming over us. Combined with the barren landscape, the fact that you can see them from so far away adds a lot to the atmosphere.

[earnest briar]

Wasn't there a version where the eyes were on the horns or did I just think that up because I thought it was funny?

[nimble ingot]

Possibly.

There does seem to be a bit of a discrepancy (something missing) with the battlefield.
With the missing bodies so we don't know who was fighting, and what they looked like. With the Aurora season bringing to light what the Light Awaits lore suggested with the ancestors fighting. As well as the sneaky references that shows the ancestors had their own weapons of their appropriate sizes; while another set of giant weapons were found in Eden.

One could only theorise whether Eden may have had a stake in the war (possibly aiding with their own super soldiers to 'even the odds.' Just for everyone to end up losing it all).

[earnest briar]

I like to think the giant spears were a mostly autonomous invention of Vault that could operate when imbued with light so you'd just see these giant spears nyooming around on their own when Krills showed up trying to make Krill on a stick. Eventually they ran out of juice and now they just sit in the sand completely immobile.

[viral bay]

Yeah but we've seen throughout Sky infrastructures that darkstone is what allowed the energy use of light though, and it doesn't seems like there are diamonds made from darkstone on those weapons.

[nimble ingot]

Imagine a Sky Ballista (o.o)

[sharp lichen]

Sky artillery! Launching cyan light like in the concert

[viral bay]

There is a catapult in graveyard lolll

[hushed steeple]

Could the massive weapons have been placed for respect of the fallen? I mean what are the odds that the huge majority of the weapons wound up sticking out of the ground like that on accident, half of them stuck through shields. And it’s not like you’d stab someone and then leave your weapon there to go back into combat! You would be likely to get stabbed too!!!! Also most if not all the weapons have flags on them which convey the idea of respect for the fallen!
This could also be why we don’t see any corpses there because the survivors took care of the remains of their fallen soldiers. Maybe just buried under the sand or taken else where.

[hushed steeple]

wait, that atually worked👀
And you maniged to get it acuratly with your cbm ruller👀👀👀👀
GONGRATULATIONS🤩🤩🤩🤩
So
28.5-33.3 cbm
67.9-74.9 ft
20-22.8 m
Sounds about right🤔

[hushed steeple]

Wow!

why "wow" ?

[hushed steeple]

Guess I’m a little surprised or something! Kinda crazy I got it so accurate!

yup
And its all you.
our resident master mesurer

I tried to find a scene where the 1000eye and krill are in the same scene.....but its not really clear😔

[hushed steeple]

I mean I couldn’t have done it without Legokidlogan figuring the basics out before hand.
This does beg the question if krill in the graveyard are bigger than those in treasure reef.

[hushed steeple]

I think I have another account that hasn’t completed the abyss quests!

[viral bay]

It's possible to visit the king krill without going in the closed chamber. Not sure where you would have to go but ik that it's really deep down, where the king krill model just sits there and doesn't do anything lol

Maybe you can bring the firework staff or smthing to light up the model and measure that way?

[hushed steeple]

We need a krill close to ruby

[nimble ingot]

How about that one cut scene with Ruby swimming through the gate and a krill swimming alongside it?

[hushed steeple]

I’m going to get as much stuff as I can, but I am having difficulty getting into the chamber with this account. I don’t use it as much

[nimble ingot]

If you know how to chibi fall, ||you may be able to 'slip' in throught the tower and make your way to the chamber. Just be careful with your breathing.||

[hushed steeple]

I don’t have the mask with this account. But I can see if I have a spell.

I do not. ono

I probably don’t have arc finished on this account either so I may have to finish it to try and get a baby spell

[nimble ingot]

Here is hoping!
Just to remind you, in the event you cannot do it. It is perfectly fine.
The fact that you attempted it is admirable

[viral bay]

Here in the lore chat we test the most important theories and answer the most important questions like how long is the king krill?

imagine that's the first thing new skykids see in here

[sharp lichen]

Oh god is that what you’re doing

[earnest briar]

Oh, I have a reason for that too actually. It's because the power diamond is inside the spearhead, so as to protect it from damage. Since if the diamond becomes damaged, it would render the spear unable to function, or in the worst case scenario, the diamond would malfunction and go boom.

[keen shore]

I know this chat is caught up in Measuring Things right now but I have a themes question I’m really curious to ask.

Do you all believe Sky has villains/a villain? If so, who would it be and why? & if not, why?

(Note: villains are defined as characters, things like ‘the darkness’ would just be antagonists)

[hushed steeple]

So update, chibi spell is not available today…

[nimble ingot]

I like to think that TGC took a page from the Ghibli bible with character tropes.
If there were to be any 'bad guys' in the game. There would more likely than not a situation where the skykids would have worked with the character, and the antagonism would have stemmed from an underlying character arch.

[nimble ingot]

ay, it is ok.
There would always be another day.

[sharp lichen]

Yes, this game is based on an inversion/rejection of the Hero’s Journey tropes, and that includes a “big bad” villain.

After all, the only enemies we face are the environmental threat of darkness.

[hushed steeple]

Alrighty!
Besides, don’t wanna wear myself out too much!

[nimble ingot]

ah, the hero's journey.
There has been an article that went over that with Sky.
They went over a different story telling model that supposedly is what Sky is more aligned with. That being called the Collective Journey.
A story telling model that does not focus on a singular hero vs villian idea. But rather showcases a variety of characters and them overcoming some form of challenge, problem or simply an arch wherein some for of Change took place.
Where the idea of Change takes president.

[hushed steeple]

Is this possibly new information about purple light?
Or maybe you have seen it before?

[nimble ingot]

The message has not changed since the season was released.
You are welcome to discuss this with folk.

It has been a while since this has been discussed on the server

[hushed steeple]

Green light is said to be a gift to the earth from sky or the sky, I can’t remember if there was an article there.

[nimble ingot]

I would recommend using the discord word search feature.
Simply narrow down the search to just the lorechat (in:lore-discussion-spoilers).
you may need to experiment with keywords, or scroll around certain discussions.

The just is that each light represents an element.
One that the Forgotten Ark was transporting, and the ancestors made use to improve the area in the wastes of the Forgotten Ark.

[earnest briar]

The real villain is Juggler for showing up at the end of Season of TLP when the Sword Pants also became available.

[hushed steeple]

I know about that, but purple light has been a general mystery for a while now and I hadn’t remembered that line of dialogue.

[nimble ingot]

To my knowledge (pardon the pun), the purple light has been associated with knowledge, memory, or magic.
Seeing it is based in Vault of knowledge, and was found in the archive area.

[hushed steeple]

Yeah. It could also be the cause of the strangeness in the twilight desert.

Oof, I think I need to take a break. I’m quite exhausted!
Bye for now!

[nimble ingot]

Rest well Esther.
Don't worry. The lore is not going anywhere

[viral bay]

Does anyone have a clear version of the 2 secret murals on the faraway oob stones at homespace?

[untold notch]

there's secret murals?

[nimble ingot]

let me check

[viral bay]

I'm talking about these ones, i wish there were clear versions tho

[untold notch]

I don't think I've ever seen those before

[viral bay]

flashback to a h@ck€r using mods to remove the windwalls

[sharp lichen]

This was an old opening cutscene

[viral bay]

Ohh i see
Can you link a video of it?

[nimble ingot]

https://youtu.be/3dNShWJ0jiY?t=35

[viral bay]

Woahhhh

That contains so much lore

[nimble ingot]

here are some captured screenshots

[nimble ingot]

For context.
This mural is hidden behind that distant island you can see under the thundering cloud at Home. It is of an old introduction cut scene that used to play when you start up a new game for the first time. It would not play again and may have been removed in an update.
I am unsure when, as this would only play once. Therefore cannot necessarily check it, lol.

What is nice to know is some of the lore of it still lives on in the cave murals of Dawn. And that the lore within it may still apply. Albeit that the latest version of the story told in the mural has changed a bit.
It is theorised that both versions may either be a story that has been retold (with some details changed in the retelling), or that these stories were told from different perspectives.

Either case, this is a vital piece of Skykid lore that would be worth discussing.
Especially with it related to the skykids' destiny and a hint to how they were gifted light.

[viral bay]

Yeshhhhh

I was surprised this wasn't brought up more often

[nimble ingot]

I would chalk it up to most folks being more interested and focused on the older lore (cannot exclude myself, to be fair).
And eventually forget where they came from. As in how the game introduced them to the lore in the very beginning, such as the cutscene and murals.

It's the cryptic and mysterious nature that eludes them, and has continued to do so with (so to speak) 'generation after generation' of skykids joining the game.

[untold notch]

i'd suggest that since it's old it's also outdated

like. there is a reason this stuff gets updated

[prime wolf]

Soooo i was thinking, you know how the crabs are like corrupted? Because they have the black particles and stuff. And how the uncorrupted crabs (at the campfire) dont attack you. Well the krills also have those particles coming off of them. So i wonderd what an uncorrupted krill would look like? They probably wouldnt attack you right?

[viral bay]

(Video analysis)

So it seems like the Elders were stars/constellation, united by ...??? A being? The king?

But then darkness came and the stars became disconnected from the constellations. They fell, which led them (and the king?) to make a new civilization in the clouds, which is Sky. But then they failed the civilization again, Eden darkness/corruption spreading across the kingdom, which made the light in Sky to disappear.

A long time after we skykids fell, and our purpose is to bring the light/elders/stars home, which is the megabird.

[viral bay]

I agree but so much part of the original dialogue was kept

It was honestly more comprehensible than the current one

[keen shore]

People always say that but imo the current intro is the best

A lot of the stuff with the older intros isn’t exactly outdated, cause they largely update them to make certain things clearer or help with translations into other languages, but they got very confusing because there was nothing to back up the previous civilization (before Sky) existing and falling beyond the intro in the game. To my knowledge this is still true

And due to that, if you tried to dive into them deeply, on their own without the intros we have today they could get very confusing

[nimble ingot]

The seven realms used to live in harmony (assumingly under the rulership of the King).
Then the video mentions this phrase, "if only they listened..."

Which at the time was vague, though this reminds me of Aurora's song lyric, "who is calling me, to the emergency. Who is listening to the siren's singing"
This lyric suggests 2 things. That humanity has fallen into chaos by the siren (who represents doom as with the myth of them as a sign of danger to sailors), and that humanity should have headed the warnings (that being not to listen to the siren tempting them to their doom).

In any case, back to the video.
Darkness came and the stars fell.
They may be a symbolic event, or literal, or both.
Darkness brought death, corruption and destruction.
The ancestors had fallen (passed away), but thier spirits were trapped in the realms, unable to pass on (ascend).

Many years passed and skykids have been sent down, or they somehow arrived from the sky. And their mission was to save the spirits, and bring the Light back to the stars.
This message has been changed a bit over the years, as it seems. Though the core message seems to be the same.

[sharp lichen]

We see something that looked similar to an uncorrupted Krill in the Switch Trailer

[nimble ingot]

About the updates and changes to the lore, mostly the murals.

Fair enough, the earlier versions were not as simple as the latest ones.
However, the newer version add on, or are built on top of what the old lore had laid down as a foundation.
A foundation, that may have shifted a bit, because the lore and story changed.
But the older lore may help give further insight, while the new lore murals makes the introduction to it a bit easier or encouraging to lore enthusiasts.

[sharp lichen]

I also like the way the new intro works gameplay wise as well.

Beforehand, it was just a simple MMO intro curscene.

But now, the cutscene is unraveled through gameplay actions; not only does it show that the actions you do unfurl the story presented to you, but it also shows how white candles and murals work. It even allows you to take your time if you wish, really dissecting what the murals mean instead of having it whisked from you in a cutscene.

[prime wolf]

WAIT IM HAVING A BIG BRAIN MOMENT. Do you think that the reason those crabs are uncorrupted cuz they are being cooked???? Like because of a large amount of light/fire. DOES THAT MEAN WE HAVE TO COOK THE KRILL

JUST ADD SOME GARLIC AND WERE GOOD TO GO???

[sharp lichen]

You can try, but it’s not easy

Also, why “just garlic?” Seafood needs to be prepared well

[untold notch]

season it right, don't season it white /quote

[prime wolf]

Listen im a poor student. I eat noodles and take out.

[sharp lichen]

I think so. Fire helps burn away darkness, so it’s likely that putting crabs over an open flame burns the darkness

[sharp lichen]

I mean, even the poorest Season of Passage student can probably make a killer roast meat dish using local ingredients like freshly-grown herbs and spices.

[prime wolf]

I think your overestemating me lol.

[sharp lichen]

I would be very interested in talking about the various cuisines of Sky

[keen shore]

I think they mean poor as in not having a lot of money to work with can make it a lot harder to buy the necessary herbs and spices

[prime wolf]

Yea but also no one ever thought me how to use spices beyond peper and salt. Cuz im dutch.

But its getting a bit of topic 😅

[keen shore]

My condolences 😔

[frigid tinsel]

Better than being British

[prime wolf]

Lol yea

[sharp lichen]

Crab Whisperer ruining the Lightseekers cookout 😔

[river crystal]

It’s been a long time since I’ve been in the Lore discussion. What are the new theories going on?

[frigid tinsel]

A lot

[river crystal]

Do tell

[nimble ingot]

It may be best to read back and see for yourself.

[sharp lichen]

That will take literal weeks

[nimble ingot]

Fair. Then a gloss over.
Or rather simply read what the chat recently was up to.

[tight night]

You can search certain words and see what pops up. I’ve shared some theories lately, but they are large texts. Search “Eye of Eden” “AURORA” or “AURORA memory” or “Concert”. My theories relate to the Eye of Eden, the Past memories seen in the Aurora concert, and possible thoughts of what krill are and what might have corrupted them.

You can also look up “crystal”.these all relate to the same theory. And look me up as the user, so you can see what I wrote.

Thanks and I hope you enjoy my thoughts.

[river crystal]

Thank you everyone!

[tight night]

Oh and here is something that I wrote that you might not be able to find, because the server took it down for no reason.

[finite radish]

It’s there, I was reading it earlier today.

[tight night]

Because someone reposted it for me, but it can’t be found under my name, I think?

[finite radish]

I don’t remember the user but I did read this entire passage

[tight night]

I’m just sharing it again, because someone was asking to read some current theories, and they may not be able to find it.

(I really love looking at the architecture and designs in this game, and making connections between things to make a theory. It’s fun for me! ☺️ but I don’t know how to dig for information/sources for this game very well. So all my observations come from what we see in the game itself.

[finite radish]

I see it now, someone named “Sky” reposted your story.

[nimble ingot]

It was me, let me get the link real quick
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

There was nothing wrong with the text, just the bot being a bit silly

[finite radish]

I spent hours reading everyone’s take on certain aspects of the game and am using some of it as inspiration to form my storyline 👀

[hushed steeple]

Fun fact: my Sky kid once accidentally made a hurricane.

[hushed steeple]

waaaat

[hushed steeple]

Crazy side effects may occur in a sky kid if they continuously study the lights!

[round parrot]

Sounds like something Cyan Light would do

[hushed steeple]

You are probably right

Though a fun thing to consider is that crystals and light magic does make things fligh/float, maby they could have used this power allow normal ancesters to yeet these things with the power of catapults😅

[hushed steeple]

Well there is already 1 sky catapult left in boneyard ( and fragmants of one in ark)
So sky ballista seams totally plosible, do I imagine like 99% of the catapults the've all been wrecked during the corse of the war

[viral bay]

If that was true then they wouldn't even need to send warriors into the field lol
Could just stand in a faraway place and yeet all those weapons into the gw factories

[pastel brook]

[nimble ingot]

I just realised we also have boat mounted canons that fire nets. So the ancestors do have access to explosives 0.0

[viral bay]

Yeah probably in a small amount
I don't think they had the idea of using it in large amount to make bombs yet

[hushed steeple]

I mean, yeah, thats exacty what happened in aurora😅

And of course you dont have infinire amonition of these, and you still need army's to battle on the fild in person if you wanna take control of the factory/castle

[nimble ingot]

A factory that presumably produces power diamonds.

But would it supposedly also make other things?
Like weapons, armour, boats?

He have seen ancestors make boats in the windpaths and day realms.
But not really in other realms.

That is, unless it is implied every realm would at some point have a place to build and repair them.

[hushed steeple]

I always asumed that was kinda the case, that each ream had its specific traits, trades and specific contributions to the whole of the empire when it got really big

Of course these things would not have been exclusive and you can probably find any kind of trade anywhere, but just nowhere near to the quantaty and expertise of the specific realms

[hushed steeple]

Waistland seamed to have been the main producer of weapons and armor, with Voult (initially) suplaying the more advanced magi-tech and scholors who would work on/oversee construction and operation of advanced crystal use and weaponry

As for all the other stuff....there is the fact that waistland had ports that sent out masive ships out to see, traiding with the other realms, and there is the wind paths for smaller more expediant transport

So its more then likely that realms like Daylight and Forest were required to donate boats, cloaths, jars with light and other suply's in mass to help in the war effforts of the empire....or posibly even conscripting people to go to war torn regions so they can use there skills directly

[hushed steeple]

(Should really make a full sky economy post one day🤔)

[flint bolt]

this is me trying to fit in with another conversation

[hushed steeple]

Y’know, it’s quite curious how what was once the home of presumably the most wealthy people in the ancestor’s civilization became the #1 hot spot for peoples garbage!
Like, what happened there!
Ancestors really took hatred towards the rich to another level!/j

[native galleon]

hot take, i think there is a direct connection between the cannons that fire nets in the warrior segment and the exploding lights we see falling into wasteland in the seed segment. i also don’t think it’s a coincidence that it comes from above wasteland

[hushed steeple]

Wait, are you refearing to Waistland?

[hushed steeple]

It’s confirmed by the devs that it was once known as the golden valley and housed the rich.

Oh, so thats what it was called🤔
My head cannon was that it was called the Golden Land, which was named Golden Waistland afterwords
But this makes more sence😅

[hushed steeple]

Well, the war begine with light cretures, and more notably the megafauna like the giant fish atacking the factory's

So does that mean they were LITERALLY eating the ritch🤣🤣🤣

[hushed steeple]

OH MY MEGA BIRD THEY TOTALLY WERE!!!!!!!!

Eat the ritch is now canon in sky🤣🤣🤣

The theme of Sky is don’t be rich in a world with giant, flying fish and hide your money when children start falling from the sky!/j

[sharp lichen]

I never understood where The Valley part of the Aurora concert actually was. It looked a bit like the flying race but also the social space area

[native galleon]

Yeah to me it looked a bit like the part past the temple when you go toward gw! I don’t think it’s actually there but the architecture and the paths in the clouds look similar. But then there’s the beginning part that looks more like the valley entrance with little peaks poking through the clouds. I think it’s supposed to just be like, unspecified location in valley

[hushed steeple]

With them comeing out of the ocean and us seing the costline, its probably the regions beyond the citadel and second race areas

True, and wouldn’t the water be polluted if we were close enough to wasteland?

I don’t actually know how true this is, I don’t remember that part of the concert well enough…..

The places we mostly explore in sky places that were heavely lived in or affected by the ancesters, with buildings and temples, but there are probably a lot more wild places that we dont go

And there are just places that are inplued to exist, like....all the city's and places around the races, small islads in priery, all those factory's and building we see in weistland in the distance......

I don’t know, pretty sure nobody dared to try messing with the trials./j

It is a place significant to the ancrsters, so its a thing we can explore
Theres so much stuff TGS can put in the world map after all😅

[hushed steeple]

As well as other kingdoms as implied by the gratitude spirits being visitors from a distant land and their cosmetics being “from a faraway kingdom” or however it was worded.

[viral bay]

Nah but those arent the giant weapons now are they?

[hushed steeple]

Yes they are😅
Just look at the size and shape of them

[hushed steeple]

Im fairly certain those spears are smaller than the ones we see normally.
And you have to remember I spent about a good hour measuring those weapons yesterday.

Oh, really👀👀👀
Well apology's, my mistake😔

Now I never said I was 100% right. I’ll see about possibly going in and attempting a measure later after my therapy appointment but I might try doing Ruby first since we started that expedition yesterday.

still you gotta admit, these soldures have superhuman throwing abiletyes. There has to be some light energy involved in this😅

[keen shore]

Sky’s gravity is lower than our own if that helps explain it.
There could be darkstone inside the spears, they could be hollow; we’re not really sure

[viral bay]

I meannn they are trained to throw spear tho right? like how cavemans used to do

I don't think it's something superhuman

[hushed steeple]

Something else to remember is that there are actual ancient giant weapons that may have been used in the past in real life. And if sky has less gravity than us it’d make it easier to wield or even throw a weapon like that. Not to mention how strong our own sky kids are and how buff those two ancestors look.

[keen shore]

I will add that I don’t personally believe that calling the civilization of sky an ‘empire’ is correct, mostly due to human connotational reasons. There is no reason to assume any of the realms were conquered; instead, it seems more likely they existed as part of the same civilization * from the beginning.

The war in Wasteland seems more likely to be a civil war between two realms that were already a part of the civilization rather than Wasteland being conquered.

(*) - I use civilization here due to evidence that the ‘kingdom’ phase of the civilization started much later in its history instead of existing from the beginning

The ‘and our Kingdom shattered’ line from the intro partially references a civil war.
I’m quoting the newest intro, but slight variations of this line have been in the intro versions since forever

[keen shore]

also scrolling up and

It was confirmed by the devs that it (Wasteland) was once called Golden Valley and housed the rich
The ‘once’ was in concept art, not Sky’s history, for clarification — two different pasts. It is confirmed that Golden Valley exists in lore still to this day and refers to a specific region; however, the most common interpretation of what Golden Valley is now is not just Wasteland, but an ancient name for Valley and Wasteland combined.

This is due to multiple reasons — the first of which is that the name Golden Valley is referenced in both realms’ names, and another is that as you fly from the Valley temple to Wasteland, you can see numerous buildings poking through the sky in the same architectural styles as Valley. Although we can’t explore those buildings yet (regrettably…) the splash text for Valley ‘race down the ridge and the city gates will open to honor you’ seems to imply they’re part of the same city as the buildings we see in Valley. It seems this was the crowded downtown area of Golden Valley, while previously in Valley we had explored parts of the same city that were less dense and higher on the mountain.

[sharp lichen]

Oh god not sky gravity

[balmy spoke]

Not necessarily true.. Olympic throwers usually go further, and trained warriors could hit a target they choose too in the middle of the battlefield

Now if the spear had an aoe would be the dark stone part

[hushed steeple]

Oh, good point🤔

[balmy spoke]

We see death, no impalement, aoe who knows

Could be because children's game and age rating

But there throw is not super human unless the spears are very heavy

[sharp lichen]

Not exactly. An average human can throw a javelin 50 meters, or 164 feet.

[balmy spoke]

They seem well built to throw

[keen shore]

The amount of class inequality that was present in ancient Golden Valley is largely up to interpretation. It is outright stated to exist in concept art, but we don’t know whether that continued to the final game, due to being unable to explore the downtown.

However, there are signs that it was present in some form. And if those signs are interpreted as meaning there was a ‘rich’ section of Golden Valley and a ‘poor’ section, Wasteland was almost definitely not the rich section.

• The buildings we see in Valley are intact, larger, and often decorated in gold leaf. The buildings we see in Wasteland are destroyed, as for whatever reason they didn’t have the capability of rebuilding after the war; there are very little gold decorations to be found.
• Many Valley athletes got armor ‘just for decoration’ in their sport with little evidence otherwise that they were involved in the war. Only about half of Wasteland’s soldiers recieved armor; you can find spirits outright stated to be soldiers without it. Wounded Warrior’s (from Wasteland) destroyed armor doesn’t fit the injuries they received in their memory and so holds the implication of being reused from someone who already died in battle. This holds the implication that Wasteland’s people largely could not afford armor, while Valley could gather it in excess.

There are other signs, but I think these are the most glaring. Another thing to look out for is the darkstone mechanisms you see in Valley vs Wasteland, for example. And also — with how much Wasteland was destroyed, a destruction that is implied to at first take place slowly because of how pollution works, would richer ancestors really want to live there?

[sharp lichen]

Spears my beloved 🤍

They’re my favorite weapon in history

[sharp lichen]

It’s very likely the poverty in Wasteland led to the tension and war, because so many people were fighting for what so few resources were left. Meanwhile, Valley only cared about their own preservation, so they just attacked from afar, never damaging their own.

[hushed steeple]

Actually, that on me for useing the word "empire" wrong😅

I never intended to imply that any of the kingdoms were conquered
Mainly to make a distinction between the periods where sky kingdoms were seperate yet cooperating regions, and the later era where they were more united with a shared govermant on top

Empire in this case was used as one step above normal kingdom, though I do realise that can have different inplications😅😅😅

[keen shore]

Yeah. That + the reason Wasteland started getting so bad being due to darkstone refineries that Valley was recieving most of the benefit (in product) from, and you get darkstone used as symbols on either side in the war too. (hence the sun and diamond shields)

[hushed steeple]

That is very much true. And to a lesser extent the crystals of forst
Being sandwiched between 2 industrially advanced kingoms ment that Valley could experiance the hyped advaced magic tech and archetectural benefits without haveing to spend recorces on its own crystal factory's

Insted it could focuse entirely on art, sport, music, performance, turism, compatitions, and entertainmant, and offered that to the surounding kingdoms in return

( its all in the sky economy post Im planing to do when I have more time😅)

Ps ( also potentually selling captuted mantas from the extenciveve wild lands to the factory's to be juced for crystal full😅
But I think they only resorted to that in the late stages of the dark crystal era)

[covert hazel]

I just thought of a theory about the sky world it might be canon already but idk

The people of the kingdom of sky brought the darkness upon themselves much like the myth of Atlantis. A people brought down by their own hubris.

And I'm thinking with the evidence I've gathered from different seasons and certain memories... That their own negativity against their own people and the creatures of light is what brought the darkness down upon them and made them vulnerable to the Krill and other forms of darkness.

Ya know because the creatures of light are a form of protection for these people and instead of making peace with them they decided to control them much like humanity.

And with the lack of control the creatures of light had over themselves they couldn't protect their world as much as they wanted to which lead to the Krill and the Eye of Eden being... That.

And all the spirits being trapped is because the people have unfinished business and haven't made peace with themselves or the world.

That's what your job is. To help them make peace. You were sent not only to help the spirits but bring back what being a child of light truly means. Give meaning back to the people and the culture. Save what was forgotten.

That's why memories are so important to this game.

As someone who practices witchcraft and death magic it's really really fascinating that they do it like this because that's how you help spirits if you're spiritual IRL. Most spirits who need help have unfinished business or untapped emotions.

[hushed steeple]

I will add that the whole brough darkness down apon themselfs is not 100% literal
It is all there foult and there nature and action brough forth the krill....but they didnt exist as a thing before the ending of the old civilization.
Its all there doing in a round about way

Everything else is exelant

[covert hazel]

Oh, I know it's not literal. I was simply comparing the concepts together. Because that's what they explain lead to the downfall of the Atlanteans was the fact they were so advanced but their hubris in their intelligence led to their people inevitably failing. No myth is literal and all of it is interpretation but that is essentially what it's metaphorically trying to explain that the advancement of technology it's too much for humanity and will lead to our downfall.

To quote Olaf from Frozen 2 "About how technology is both our savior and our doom?"

They didn't have a proper balance of advancement and cooperation with their environment.

Much like what's happening in the world now with the quest to advance being so bad that we're actually running out of resources on Earth because of how much we excavate the land and our planet.

[covert hazel]

The Krill did exist before the ending tho because in the Aurora season there's the war that's held in the golden wasteland against the Krill with the soldiers from the old civilization.

That's why Krill skellies are everywhere.

[hushed steeple]

Sorry, I worded that wrong😅
In the very end they did exist, just not like..... centuries before😅
The momory in aurora seam to show events from the ending parts of the war, where most of the devestation had already happened, yet they still keep on fighting
And all that anger, regret and dispear, mixed in with the polution and the corpess of the dead mantas and the light that had been spilled and curupted during all the battles give rise to the Krill, a phisical manifeatation and carmic punishmant for the evil and greed that had taken hold in the old civilization .......

At least.....thats how I figured things went😅😅

[covert hazel]

Oh! Sorry I didn't realize that's what you meant.

[hushed steeple]

Perfectly alright, its my B
Thats why its inportant to explain things well

[native galleon]

to all of thisss, especially the end part. I like to think that there were rich and poor communities in both realms, that it wasn’t such a clear divide, because we don’t know the extent of what was destroyed in wasteland and some of it looks like it could have been pretty well off once. But I also agree that as the pollution got worse, those who could afford to leave would have - if they were so close, there was likely a lot of movement between them (before the whole cyclone situation anyway)

also the fact that the village is implied to be a poor humble little community but look at the technology??? the clothes?? the buildings??? says a lot about the standard of living in valley up to the time of the disaster imo

this is like my favorite topic i have so many headcanons about it :3

[native galleon]

“they just attacked from afar, never damaging their own.”
Exhibit A (ALLEGEDLY)

[hushed steeple]

If you’re referring to all the bones in graveyard when you say krill skellies I should inform you that those are in fact not krill but instead a different creature known as a wurtle. They are believed to be extinct now though.

[hushed steeple]

So in a desperate attempt of getting a chibi spell on my alt account I lived the passage spirits memories! And I noticed FLOWERS!!!!!!
So I propose a new theory on the isle desertification.
We see a desert in the switch trailer so mayhaps this empirical battle of vibrant, verdant, lush and balmy organisms commonly known as ”plants” being subdued and overwhelmed by that harsh, brute spread of decay and lack luster vitality often referred to as desertification hath been a squibble squabble awfulnesseth disease for a little while rather than being due to a coverage of clouds.

TLDR: desert from elsewhere caused desertification to prairie rather than cyan light.

Now you might wonder, how did it spread of isle ain’t connected to anything. And to that I speak the water prophecy.
The kingdom of sky may have been flooded.

[sharp lichen]

I can imagine The Valley Elders having a competition on who could hurl cyan light the farthest

[native galleon]

fun new game: committing war crimes

[nimble ingot]

Not me imagining some ancestors being like this in a game of rock tossing

[native galleon]

nobody:
me in lore chat:

[earnest briar]

Part of the time I'm participating in discussions here, part of the time I am coming up with either the cutest or the saddest concepts to give people feels, and part of the time I'm just sharing my stupid memey lore ideas.

[tepid veldt]

all of the time im just sharing my stupid memey lore ideas

[hushed steeple]

I’m just here to make sure I have something to do so I don’t succumb to sadness again.

It’s also fun to theorize, stack chibis, and create complete and utter chaos.

[lusty merlin]

I feel they’d have some compassion and knowing this is somthing grim they need to do, maybe a last ditch effort

[dull valve]

who is king resh? aka prince alef

[nimble ingot]

King Resh and The Sky Prince Alef, were two characters shown in concept art along with the elders in Tom Zhao's art for the game (Light Awaits)

The names were placeholders, and thus not canon. Albeit used to refer to them all the same.

These were the supposed elder(s) of Eden. As the realm is the only one without an elder present. And we do know one should have been, or used to rule over the realm.
Whether us skykids would be able to meet the elder(s) in person is uncertain at this time.
(feel free to ask other theorists for more info about this)

[dull valve]

thank you!

[viral bay]

A popular theory is that King Resh and Prince Alef are the same person. Though one is to refer to the uncorrupted self, Prince Alef, the ruler in the Light Era, and the corrupted/greedy self, King Resh, in the Darkstone Era.

[dull valve]

i would really love if there was more lore explanation in sky

[keen shore]

I would like to note that “both” of these characters are mostly talked about in the context of concept art bc they seem to have changed a lot before the story’s current iteration

[lusty merlin]

Note Its never proven ingame the king was corrupted or greedy, there’s not enough info to believe if those were their intentions or not

[dull valve]

i found a theory(?) about prince alef on youtube

"From what I understood, thousands of years ago, there was a land that doesn't have much of things (as seen in Isle: we could only find sand, a somewhat desert). Once, light had descended on their land to bring prosperity and so people had began praying for more light to come (that light is probably stars). They then presented it to the Elder Daleth (Isle Elder's name). I think Daleth had gain some kind of power and his staff was able to summon floating boats (to anyone who have played the pre-release beta of Sky may know: originally in the first cutscene in Isle, the child had not received any cape and was transported by boats that Daleth summoned after receiving the light to move on to Prairie) There was that one kid who was on a boat who found a secret passage in the clouds and found the cave of prophecies. I assume that from the prophecy, only the one who is able to pass through all four trials is worthy enough to become the ruler of the kingdom. All of those who had passed have failed and died in the process. However, the kid shown in the images was the only person who was able to get all four of the elements and passed the trial. Recognized by all elders of the six realms, the kid received the power of all four elements, rising up and became the ruler of Sky kingdom. He is referred as Prince Alef (I think). He is recognized to be a kid with the Prophecy emblem mask."

[sharp lichen]

This is mostly true, except for-

it was probably centuries instead of thousands of years

Daleth has the power to summon birds, not boats

I’d like to see this video

[nimble ingot]

Agreed.

And daleth summoning boats.
It was in Light Awaits where the elder at one point was able to power up 4 flying boats.
One can consider it summoning them, though that has since changed along with the elder's mask remaining in one piece by the end of the cutscene.
In older versions of Light Awaits, the cut scene used to show the power the elder has been given by the skykids sadly would not last as the mask crumbles one more and the elder becomes weak while still ushering skykids to board the boat.

In the current game (children of the Light), the elder instead summons birds that guides the skykids all the way up to Eden.

[earnest briar]

thank u Peepaw Isle for giving us something to follow

[covert hazel]

I WANNA SEE A WURTLE

[hushed steeple]

This is my creative interpretation of one(not canon)

[earnest briar]

OHHHH they are so shaped

[covert hazel]

They are SO shaped

[soft timber]

Shaped to perfection

[fallow socket]

HI QUESTION is it acceptable to spell samekh as sahmekh or is that a mispelling? (valley twins)

[hushed steeple]

Isn’t it spelled sahmekh?

[fallow socket]

i wasn't sure if it was sahmekh or samekh as ive seen both spellings very often!! but if that's the spelling then that's fine

[nimble ingot]

It is, though remember it is a non-canon name. 👍

[fallow socket]

right, thank you!!

[modest nest]

Imagine if the skykids are the bad guys. Us bringing light to the world killed those who thrived in the darkness. Only the hardy ones like the krill and the crabs could remain

[hushed steeple]

Morning people vs afternoon people
Early birds vs night owls
One pesters the other for minding their own business/j

[hushed steeple]

Wait, aren’t the symbols in the background of that second image in the actual game?
I believe it’s in the vault mural!

[lusty merlin]

Yeah Samekh is how it’s spelt for the original herbrew letter. Sahmekh Is I guess folks just smushing the split concept art names from that word for the twins. So ig it comes down to preference

[lusty merlin]

Oh personally I think there would be no “poor” ancestors as in struggling in the realms, and there would really only be middle and upper class. NOT in a classist way by god no, but more of there’s actual safety nets and ways to prevent it to help make an ancestor feel very secure in their living situation, no matter their occupation. I feel the elders would find ways to make that happen.

This is more speculation but maybe a realms term on comfortable living can also vary. Like having food and water, a roof over one’s head, education, and clothes is all a pre destruction wasteland ancestor needs. But like comfortable living situation in Valley would be like all of that but also more involved darkstone tech, enough money to indulge in more prettier clothes and lavish things with a sizeable ammount left and maybe even a bigger home too for example.

Thinking about this cuz irl what is wealthy and rich to one country might be more middle to another one so it got me thinking

[nimble ingot]

The symbols may be reminscent to the symbols in the archive

[hushed steeple]

0_0... sso many text wales..... beutiful

also all this discussionremembered me of the meme of

cahracter 1: wait.. why am i in hell?! i was a good person 😠

you-know-who: let me se..
[inseert a number of actual valid reasons as the character 1 realises all the bad things they did]

mustache evil man: so, do you want to hear another joke?

charater 1: no mustache evil man, thanks

it goes st lik that XD

replace character one with elders, or ancestors, ik it may not be like, 100% accur ate but u understand

[soft timber]

This gives any ancestor + Wasteland Elder vibes

[hushed steeple]

mhm xD (i was thinking more of the twins but that too)

[soft timber]

Rkskejf

That too! One of the twins ready to smack the ancestor with their paddle

[hushed steeple]

How do i start with the lore?

[viral bay]

By inspecting elements in Sky.
Here's a document to get ya started: https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/mobilebasic

[hushed steeple]

Thanks

[native galleon]

yeah true!! sorry just saw this but i agree, i say poor bc they have phrased it as “rich and poor” before i think?? but thats all relative

[keen shore]

I want to agree with this but then I look at remembrance and go :( and at all the wasteland soldiers without armor
maybe some elders didn’t always have the resources to make their people comfortable

[lusty merlin]

Thats also fair, war definitely could’ve shifted the balance they had. They definitely could’ve done their best for what they had

[lusty merlin]

Ya I think the only direct mention was from this concept art for the for working class and wealthy layout but other than that it really comes down to environmental stuff like with the citadel and dreams. Yet I don’t think the word poor was ever used yet

[hushed steeple]

Valley was somehow able to tax all the other realms!/j

[frigid tinsel]

It’s possible their derelict conditions were due to the war and loss of supplies rather than poverty they had been having for a long time

[hushed steeple]

I JUST REALIZED THE REASON SEASON OF PROPHECY FITS IN WITH THE THEME OF AGE IN ISLE IS CAUSE ISLE REPRESENTS INFANCY OR IN GENERAL BEING A BABY WHICH IS THE TIME YOU LEARN THE MOST CRUCIAL AND FUNDAMENTAL THINGS THAT ACT AS THE STRONGEST FOUNDATION IN LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[frigid tinsel]

No reason to all caps yell about it

[hushed steeple]

chaos
And it emphasizes emotion more.

[lusty merlin]

Yaya Im thinking that too a little, I also find it neat that so far wasteland ancestors have more dull and darker colors compared to every other realm

Like compared to dreams outfits being super bright and stuff

[keen shore]

I was thinking of this and I’m kind of 50/50 on it, because on one hand you’re right, but also I have to wonder if things started out fine like how Tac saw them and steadily got worse and worse for Wasteland. I doubt refinery work is something any ancestor would do if they had a backup option.

[hushed steeple]

Maybe for camoflage?

[lusty merlin]

Yaya that i can definitely see happening, darkstone taking most hold on the economy as the other jobs start to dwindle out from the pollution cycle and all

[keen shore]

I think for soldiers it would be camouflage (as mentioned above) but I have to think that for civilians it was just the limited dyes they had access to

[lusty merlin]

Mm makes sence! Would be neat if we got wasteland ancestors pre fall

[frigid tinsel]

Also depends on whether they made their own clothes and if they bought them, was the clothing handmade (expensive) or mass-produced (cheaper)?

[lusty merlin]

Im learning more to hand making them, the new geyser in prarie from days of color makes me think of communal cloth dyeing maybe

[hushed steeple]

1: “what color cape do you want.”
2: “Blurple!”
1: “Sorry, we only have ‘black as my soul’ and ‘so green apple chartreuse you may get the sick’”
/j

[frigid tinsel]

For fiberwear, you usually dye the material before sewing/stitching it. Though that does give me the idea of people tasked with finding materials to make dye out of

[lusty merlin]

Yaya that too, the clothes around the geyser also seem to be more fabric sheets than clothes too so it could work

Also the fact there’s another geyser too? That could mean Prarie could even have more around and have the conditions for them like in Yellowstone for example

[native galleon]

oop i misremembered maybe lol

[earnest briar]

excuse you, it’s called the gayser.

get your facts straight tac.

[torpid fjord]

I always wonder if all of the ancestors had capes? Since in wind paths they don't have capes and use the creatures and boats as means of transportation around the islands and most of the spirits we see around are kinda capeless so my theory is that the capes come with rebirth? I'm not very sure. Or maybe the capes are some sort of blessing?

[frigid tinsel]

capes were likely just a fashion item to the ancestors. some wore them, some didn't.

[keen shore]

Unfortunately the answer seems to be much more boring, they’re just an article of clothing 😔

[earnest briar]

smh my head, you’re a member of lorechat but don’t even know it’s name.

[torpid fjord]

Actually how do they fly?? Is it due to their light or the cape?

[frigid tinsel]

also, ancestors couldn't fly at all, capes or no capes. that's why they used power diamonds or mantas to pull their boats

[keen shore]

Skykids fly with their inner light (although use capes to direct it kinda like wings), ancestors could not fly

[torpid fjord]

Ohhhh

[hushed steeple]

It’s called the hot tub of ultimate color theory and gayness./j

[balmy spoke]

The ancestors pip on their cape is supposed to be a bug.. I say supposed as it has been added and removed a few times.. like one of them they'll get to it bugs

[native galleon]

oh this is what i was thinking of earlier!! so could have been scrapped but yeah

[soft timber]

Valley somehow being able to be the only one to tax/j

[earnest briar]

I like to think some Ancestors have that to mimic us like how we mimic and learn from them by adding it to their capes since like them their capes are now comprised of light. Like Granny has 5 wing pips because she cares about us so much. Yet another Granny W 😌

[native galleon]

….5???? Wait really?

[hushed steeple]

Sanctuary guide also has 5

[earnest briar]

yeh. I think 4 out of 5 pips are shown as used up? But I could be wrong.

[untold notch]

isn't that a bug

[hushed steeple]

Probably most likely yes

[earnest briar]

yeah but I like it because it gives me happy feelings to think about Ancestors going ‘we like these funny honking children’ and putting stars on their capes because of that.

[hushed steeple]

lol backreading is my passion backreadding is my live /jk

[sharp lichen]

Yeah, I’m guessing it’s because spirits use the Skykid’s base for their capes and you can’t portray a zero wing cape

[lusty merlin]

i mean they did before the bug so i guess its some spaghetti code stuff

[flint bolt]

The servers catching on fire is a canon event, and I have proof

[hushed steeple]

So waistland wasnt the place with the rich and pore anceaters. Golden valley was just the old name for Valley of triumph

This is why its inportant to get your sorces streight. It leads to bad theorizing afterwords😅

[untold notch]

days of sky? it refers to both valley and wasteland as golden valley doesn't jt

[lusty merlin]

It’s in The Valley thread but also refers to downtown of sky, and with the boats mention it made me think of the drop off to wasteland

[lusty merlin]

I actually think they’re one in the same from architecture too during the transition from the temple to Gw social spaces. Wasteland was definitely not called wasteland before it became one you know? Had to have another name which is where alot of us connect it being called golden valley before. Also think the connection to working and upper class between the two realms came from wasteland seeming to have more factories and valley just focusing on entertainment

[lusty merlin]

Ah okay that’s why I didn’t remember that, I barely ever look on sky’s Instagram but that I’d good to know

[covert hazel]

My girlfriend just pointed out that there's more spaces for constellations in the vault of knowledge above the temple...

Ayo???? TGC???? 👀👀👀

[hushed steeple]

Like.....on the roof of the top flore?
I mean, yes, they dont form a full curcle.....but that doesnt mean that those spaces have to be filled up

Or am I missing something super obviace🤔

[pastel brook]

You are all so cool!

heh...you would think that

[native galleon]

LMAO me neither, i’ve only seen screenshots of it but like the tweet i jus think about it a lot

[dull valve]

i just hope the sky animation will show us more about the lore

[viral bay]

Man imagine if the sky animation puts an end to our whole career

[hushed steeple]

So, do you think dark stone has the ability to produce air or do you think there is some sort of vent here.

[viral bay]

Also why does lore chat hate skybot so much

[hushed steeple]

Have you seen the kinda stuff skybot says about us!!!

[tepid veldt]

wait hold on let me get the picture

some instances include:
-using the world emulate too much
-getting beaned for super long passages
-“its not that deep”
-and many, MANY more that im forgetting

[pastel brook]

Using emulators is against the Sky TOS, @tepid veldt. Please don’t use or discuss emulators here.

[nimble ingot]

Don't forget sneep snorp

[viral bay]

Bahaha alright i see

[covert hazel]

I'm implying that more realms could be a possibility

[hushed steeple]

With how Tgs is drip feeding confermed lore to us, I doubt that the sky animation is gonna show everything there is to know about the world of sky😅

[native galleon]

I don’t think so. I mean, the realms were specifically designed to represent the complete cycle of life as well as the times of day, I’m not sure anything else would fit into that. Closest thing we have is wind paths, which isn’t a new realm but an in-between area. But I think there are plenty of unexplored (read: unreleased) areas within the realms!! Still plenty of potential to expand

[hushed steeple]

regions, most deffinetly....but not proper kingdoms like Isle of down or voult of knowlige
The 6 realms are way to baked into the fabric of sky's entire design philosophy and experiance metaphore.
There will very likely be new regions that are not a part of the 6 kingdoms but are afiliated with them (distant collonies/ vasal regions.....) or neutral regions like the Wind paths or the new aviary that dont belong to eny of the 6, yet is a part of the greater SKY kingdom

[earnest briar]

It's TGC, for That Game Company, not TGS.

[hushed steeple]

my mistake, got distracted by the abyss photo😅

[earnest briar]

it's fine! I know how easy it is to make spelling mistakes when you get excited about something and want to share your ideas.

[hushed steeple]

thats me 40% of the time 🤣

[hushed steeple]

Im not 100% shure where in abyss this is, but I do know that light plants seam to broduce crazy amount of air ( that or sky kids need much less air then us, just so the flame of our lnner light doesnt starve), and this whole complex has many underground leyars, so its quite possible that the bubbles come from that

[sharp lichen]

What-

Will they really make new constellations?? The only one remaining is an Eden constellation

[nimble ingot]

Personally, for skykids' flame.
It can either sustain itself with at least 2 of 3 sources.
First and foremost, the skykid's own body houses and protects their light. It is not perfect, but its better than nothing. Skykids know this innately, as they would immediately put away their light when hurt, or in water. This source is strengthened with contact (connection) from another skykid (or creature of the light).

The second and third sources can be an either and/or situation. As long as one or these sources are present, the flame would be sustained.
That being air and light. While air is not an obvious source to skykids, it becomes a vital source when skykids are in a place that lacks air. By smothering a skykid's flame, the fire would eventually burn out.

As for the other source, light. Skykids have a few options for them to obtain and sustain their flames with.
Another skykid can share their light (flame) to sustain each other. Although it is limited in certain situations. Namely in water, another skykid can help slow down the loss of light; however it is not enough as both skykids still need air to sustain themselves with (the same applies to their call, as it is too weak to sustain their flame, albeit it does help charge the cape).
Light from another light creature though is sustainable, if the creature can survive in the water and can share their light without issues. Hence why fish, mantas and water plants can help in this regard.

In short, skykids cannot breathe underwater. But they can sustain their own flames from other sources.

It is tricky to differentiate a game mechanic from lore, as there is a balance to gameplay involved.
I would imagine though a skykid's flame would be blue while underwater, as their supply of air is limited, and the flame is slowly draining it until it eventually smothers if the skykid does not find more air, or light to fuel it.

[viral bay]

Yeah that's probably true, or maybe they'll just show stuffs we already know

[hushed steeple]

Oh sweet megabird dont let it be so😅

[nimble ingot]

or worse /hj.

They give more lore that leaves us with more questions than answers XD

[hushed steeple]

On the bright side it would give us more to talk about, so I would say thats only second worst option😅

[nimble ingot]

true.

[sharp lichen]

That’s actually the best option available, I’d rather they do that then show everything

[nimble ingot]

With playing with a homebrew D&D game themed after Sky.
It lead to proposing entire regions, creatures, and ancestors spirit dynamics with the environment and it creatures.

[sharp lichen]

I would honestly recommend another system that’s not so combat-oriented as DND for a Sky based game

[nimble ingot]

Fair point.
There may be other systems that are more story focused.

I just know the 5e system, though am playing around with adapting a different format to progressing in the game.
With the groups I have been dming for, we have been figuring things out with exploration and social gameplay.
Thus far, they have been enjoying the freedom of improvising and roleplaying with their skykids, while exploring the world I had expanded from the Sky universe with some forgotten realms elements (borrowing creature stats, and setting).

[hushed steeple]

sneep snorp ?

[pastel brook]

What is this sneep you're talking about? I've never heard about it!

[nimble ingot]

"What is this sneep..."
And yet the bot wonders why lorechat has a grudge /hj

[hushed steeple]

So I've been thinking for a while makeing a sky sociaty-economy documens, but its gonna take a lot of time to write right
So I though I might bring us a spefific subject and see what the feedback is😅

When it comes to the economics, I dont belive sky had money (at least not in the form of coins ans such)
I think that a lot of the economy worked by bartering, trade and agreed cooporation. (and one other very inportant thing I'll get to later)
Stuff like gold and jewls had no comercial value, yet it was secret and valued for its artistic beauty and non corosive properties, and so all of it would have been used in temples, memorials, art, secret objects, bells and magi-tech construction, yet nobudy would try to steal it becouse you cant use it to buy stuff
(kinda how like south american culturs worked, which greatly confused the spanish who asumed they must be drowning in gold to have so much of it just lieing around😅 )

Any thoughs about this so far?

[nimble ingot]

I would agree.

They had textiles, animals (mantas, crabs and butterflies), ores (gold and darkstone), and even other resources such as food, tools and luxeries.
For a civilisation that lived in Valley to value acting and music, they ought to value art as well.

[hushed steeple]

most deffinetly

[nimble ingot]

You may want to look at other ancient civilisations such as egyptian, greek, celtic, mesopotamian, inca, as well as island fairing cultures such as japanese to name a few places to hop around for similarities.

I would recemmend keeping a narrow range to focus on for your particular research, and only expanding if you see something unique and worth mentioning, but not going in depth on (unless it is part of your core research).

[hushed steeple]

Will do
Thats why I wanted to see what the feedback is, you dont know when you'll come across great advice☺️

There is one other economy thing I wanted to discuss. Bear with me😅

[sharp lichen]

How do you think Sky professions acted? We see things like crafts workers and soldiers, but do you think there was a formal education for these or more of an informal apprenticeship?

[nimble ingot]

ooh, almost forgot the boat merchant trade. (thank Baud for indirectly reminding me)
That may also be something one can look at.
https://www.ancientportsantiques.com/ancient-ships/merchant-ships/

[hushed steeple]

Oh, good point
I have to imagine there would have been some kind of schooling for more advanced profesions, but a lot of it might have been through masters-interns relationships, or home/communal schooling

[hushed steeple]

Oh, this looks great. Thanks so much😍
Will read it soon

Although speaking of eguipt😏

shoot, I guess I should not have used the s-word. My whole post dissapeared😅. Gonna have to start all over
Well I'll do it later

[nimble ingot]

rip

Rule of thumb to loe chat:
When typing long messages, copy the text before posting it.

It will save you a ton of frustration and time retyping everything.

[hushed steeple]

@pastel brook, you are hallucinating all of this.
Lore chat does not exist.
Sky: CotL does not exist.
ThatGameCompany does not exist.
You are alone in a make believe world where you yourself are an imaginary being.

[viral bay]

@pastel brook i now will hold a grudge against you for no reason too

[hushed steeple]

I looked back just now and noticed that skybot would always tell me to get to sleep before, EVEN IN GEN CHAT ONCE(I don’t remember why I was there.)

And then after taking my extremely long break from lore chat and fixing my sleep schedule skybot almost IMMEDIATELY stated they were proud of me for getting enough sneep snorp!

OH MY MEGABIRB!!!!!!

Moral of the story, skybot is psychic…

[nimble ingot]

it is.
and omnipotent on the discord.

Let's hope TGC would not release this creature into the sky realms.

[hushed steeple]

The other thing about this is skybot hasn’t spoken to me since!

[nimble ingot]

now you have jinxed it, lol

[hushed steeple]

Can’t tell me to get enough sleep if I’m already doing that!!!

[reef fulcrum]

#sky-memes message

This is all bringing up another point I'd like to go over...

Do Sky Children eat?

Do they need to eat?
Do they need to breath?
Do they even have blood or a heartbeat?

I think the only autonomous bodily function they actually must perform in order to survive: is Sleep.

They don't even have mouths.

[nimble ingot]

They can, though dont need to in general as long as they have Light.

Their flame needs air, therefore a skykid could breathe.

They have a heartbeat, though whether they have blood would be up for debate.
Either case, the game would most likely not show blood due to the age rating and implication of violence or gore.

They can get tired, therefore can sleep. Or just rest at the very least.

Note that TGC is known to be minimalistic with details.
And this applies that most characters in their games do not have mouths.

It is debateable that skykids may have other means to shout, breathe, and eat instead of a mouth. Though it is also arguable for skykids to have mouths in theory, while the game does not show it.
As to why not, one may speculate it is a stylistic choice, or since skykids do not speak in the game (like most characters) and thus the game would not need to show a moving mouth.
There has been other cases where other body parts such as fingers and toes are not shown in detail in the game. As not all characters would not need them in their animations. And thus saves the devs time and resources by not showing them.
The exception would be to characters that, for example, do need fingers in their animations, and thus would have them in their models.

[reef fulcrum]

You've given me a lot to build off of here...

[sharp lichen]

No, but they can if they want to.

Probably not.

Probably not, their bodies are significantly different than ours

**Evidence for mouths: **

Skykids eat food, and so did Ancestors and Elders presumably.

Skykids have a rebreather on the exact position of the mouth.

The Little Prince has a mouth.

Skykids use wind instruments, which require mouths

**Evidence against mouths: **

Even when maskless, Skykids and Spirits do not have visible mouths.

Skykids absorb wax, so they could probably absorb food the same way.

Aurora does not have a mouth.

[nimble ingot]

The little prince and Aurora have dialogue, as does some spirits (such as the ones in season of little prince).
Aurora's sky character does not have a visible mouth; although she sings and calls out.

With both of them being human, they would naturally have mouths (in addition to any other detail that the game decidedly does not show).
While them being human may set them apart from ancestors and skykids.
They may still apply as they are stylised to the game's aesthetic.

[reef fulcrum]

Dialogue isn't necessarily the same as speech. When Skids communicate with eachother it appears through the screen as hover tags... But is not distinguishable to anon skids, only to those whom the skid is speaking. It could be inferred as a type of telepathy. Seperate from audible sounds (honks and songs) which could be reverberated from some part of inside of them that isn't technically a mouth. Further; idk enough about Aurora, but in my experience, I wouldn't call any of them human. At the very least, tho, the Little Prince is definitely an alien.

[native galleon]

I’m pretty sure Aurora is human lol although i have had my doubts before /j

[reef fulcrum]

Some people theorize she's the "god" of sky. Others believe the ancestors are descended from original humans, with the sky kids being descended from the ancestors. Idk if I subscribe to all that, but it would imply humans are extinct.

[untold notch]

I wouldn't think humans ever existed

[native galleon]

oh i dont subscribe to any of that lol i was just referring to like her overall vibe and artistic style irl

[reef fulcrum]

Which would also mean Aurora and the Prince are definitely NOT human.

[lusty merlin]

The ancestors being humans is probably taken from very old storyline concept that was scrapped as sky discovered what game it wanted to be

Like the sky world being above our world or somthing

[untold notch]

that's hard to say since they're crossovers

[reef fulcrum]

Which effectively removes them from concern.

[native galleon]

sighhh
shes a fourth wall break imo. i am sorry i was being silly before

[reef fulcrum]

Moving back up...

Idk what a rebreather is! Maybe a screenshot would help?

Wind instruments is a good point. I have another debate I'm almost ready to make against breathing altogether, though. Just keep in mind that heat can create draft, and Sky Kids can definitely control the heat around their bodies.

I've just ruled out the Little Prince as a factor, but I'll break it here before I start to discuss eating...

[nimble ingot]

fair.

I was about to say those were called speech bubbles for reason.
Then again, you make a good point that friends can communicate while strangers are not able to follow along.

On the one hand, it may be a gameplay feature for privacy. Though it is arguable for them to be communicating telepathically.

It may be a stretch, though if skykids can communicate over vast distances regardless of the environment, or obstacles in their way. Telepathy is an option.

[nimble ingot]

A rebreather is a device to help extend a diver's time underwater.

They fit over the mouth and recycles some of the air breathed out. They are not as good as a scuba tank, though.

[reef fulcrum]

Interesting... Is this a wearable item that functions as described, or does it appear automatically when you dive?

[hushed steeple]

I have an answer for the mouth thing, and the rest of the face.
In the Gnomon video TGC stated that all these facial characteristics being in a game would require animating for cutscenes and stuff otherwise it’d feel too static and weird. And the problem with animating facial features in a game with a big part in self expression is the set expression is likely to not represent how you would react.

[reef fulcrum]

Historical context. I love it.

[hushed steeple]

You have to get it from the abyss guide.
You can only get the right one, the left was an ult only available during the season.

[reef fulcrum]

I just started Treasure Reef.
I'm gonna assume it does actually extend dive time.

Which shoots down most of my argument against breathing...
They can still survive in space, though.

[nimble ingot]

It is a cosmetic you can unlock with the Abyss guide.
This adds a second breath bar on top of the skykid's usual breath bar (a green bar that depletes before the yellow one does).

The dark one without paddles is a free item, the other is an ultimate.

[hushed steeple]

I believe their breath works the same way as fire, which can exist in space.

[hushed steeple]

Isn’t it blue before green?

[reef fulcrum]

Yeah, I only have a blue one.

[nimble ingot]

precisely.

This image also shows some of the designs TGC considered for skykids.
They have put a lot of thought into the look of Sky.

Minimalizing certain details is part of their style, as well as to their advantage on saving resources in running the game.

[reef fulcrum]

Like I said though, I like to create universally-confined reasons.

[hushed steeple]

Well they could have added mouths, so I doubt it would’ve sucked out resources. It’s mainly just the expression they were worried about.
And that could’ve influenced the lore as this was when they were still trying to figure out the player character.

[reef fulcrum]

"influenced the lore" is a good way to put it...

[nimble ingot]

ah, I had to look it up.

You are right, I misremembered.

The bar is blue and while it depletes, you see a hint of orange and white.
With the rebreather masks, you get a green bar that sit ontop of the blue one.
Once the green one is depleted, the blue one begins to drain away.

[pastel brook]

YEAH!

thats deep fam

[reef fulcrum]

Thank you Skybot.

[nimble ingot]

shush. (to the bot, sorry. was a bit slow)
Dont give the bot credit where it used to complain, "it wasn't that deep"

[pastel brook]

🧠

[hushed steeple]

You typed blue and green in the some wrong places./lh
Just informing you so as to prevent confusion from occurring in others.

[pastel brook]

I like the way you think!

Where did the spirits get their clothing material from? I'm too shy to ask them..

[hushed steeple]

Micheals

[nimble ingot]

thanks and apologies.

[pastel brook]

well dont think about asking me!

[reef fulcrum]

It's why I have to take this with a grain of salt. They scrapped this design for tech reasons, sure, but after they did, the new design may have influenced the lore... Somebody said something like "they were still figuring out the game they wanted it to be" going by the way it is rather than the way it was led me to think certain things.

[nimble ingot]

as long as bug reports would still go through. I can live with that

[pastel brook]

...

[reef fulcrum]

I gotta unlock the rebreather. I wanna find something to eat, too, because it doesn't look to me like Grandma is actually feeding us, you know?

[hushed steeple]

I’m quite certain it wasn’t tech reasons.

[nimble ingot]

Granny is beginning to forget? /j

[reef fulcrum]

Or limitations or expression comprehension or... Whatever other barrier that sits between the world envisioned by the artist; and the consumer's interpretation.

[hushed steeple]

I TOLD YOU THERE WAS SOMETHING SUSPICIOUS ABOUT THAT FOOD BEING GREY!!!!!!

[reef fulcrum]

And we don't eat it... It rolls on the floor and we melt it.

We just firebend at it until it turns to wax.

[hushed steeple]

They stated they wanted players to see themselves in their skykids which meant they had to scrap the idea as it would mean they had to set expressions for cutscenes that likely wouldn’t match how the player would react in those situations.

[nimble ingot]

burning off the germs.

The 5 second rule does not apply, apparently XD

[hushed steeple]

@nimble ingot WHAT DOES THE ARROW MEAN!!!!

[hushed steeple]

@nimble ingot Never mind, I looked it up.

[pastel brook]

-strokes non-existent beard-

Why

[balmy spoke]

He has a point Esther.. pray tell xD

[reef fulcrum]

Call it "immersion" then. Basically what I said. How to best penetrate the barrier that separates you from the art. If they could insert you directly into the character's perspective, your expressions would mesh perfectly with the cutscenes... Or if the technology existed to copy your face and paste it ingame in realtime. It's all about (like you said) letting players see themselves in their character.

The decision was made not because they wanted to make a game where the characters had no mouths, but because it was better suited to the technology they had at hand. At that point, the change would "influence the lore" in order for the lore to match the content.......

Theoretically.

[hushed steeple]

You’re entire plain of existence is that of a social media platform yet you question me for as to why I felt the requirement to use a search engine to learn something that of which I lack sense of beforehand?

[reef fulcrum]

I'm not necessarily saying that's what happened with skid mouths, but trying to understand immersion and artistic interest a little bit vocally while making up backstory for this game.

[nimble ingot]

which arrow? (I did see you got the answer)

[hushed steeple]

Yes, it is for immersion, but what I’m trying to portray is that it seems as though they could do it and we’re ready to but realized it didn’t fit with what they wanted for the game.
No lack of technical capability, just a realization that it doesn’t fit their ideas.

[hushed steeple]

⬆️THIS ONE

[reef fulcrum]

So less like: "I wanted to give them mouths, but it won't work that way, so now we have to find a way to make it work this way."

And more like: "You know what guys, I don't like the mouths. Come up with something else."

[hushed steeple]

Basically, yeah.

[nimble ingot]

oh!
I see.

Just to answer it for others that may not know.
It is similar to Reddit upvotes.
I have seen other users use it to 'upvote' a message (even though it is just a react emote).
"Upvote means you find the content helpful, interesting, amusing, or just want to thank the person who posted it"

[hushed steeple]

Oh, Google said it was for “progress” or “praise” basically(not exactly but those are generally the words used)

[reef fulcrum]

I really don't think so.

I have a pretty good idea for why I think that, but I guess I don't have time rn. Maybe I need to put it into better words, but I'm sure I'll think of something. Maybe I'll get back to you on it, but if not today or tomorrow, I'll probably not bother you.

[hushed steeple]

I would suggest checking the Gnomon video for it. You can find it in the pins.

[nimble ingot]

It's similar. 👍
It's uplifting to get one /hj

[hushed steeple]

🎶You raise me up, so I can stand on mountains!🎶

[sharp lichen]

I think crossovers can fit into the canon.

[nimble ingot]

agreed.

It is a bit of a tangle of what is canon to sky and what is not.
Though one can sort through parts of the season to see what TGC incorporated from the collaborator, and what they added from Sky lore.

[soft timber]

Sky is one big fanfiction made by a group of people for a larger audience and the fanfic consists of a bunch of clay kids fixing what adults did wrong /j

[pastel brook]

yes!

thats deep fam

[balmy spoke]

who broke the bot?

[hushed steeple]

I’d assume me but I’m not sure.

[nimble ingot]

Don't look at me

[cobalt palm]

BTW, the fanfic is also an allegory for life, death, and rebirth, also the downfall of greed, and exploiting nature.
Very classical fanfic indeed

[nimble ingot]

🎵 Life and death and Love and Birth. Peace and War on the planet earth 🎵
(could not help it, lol)

[pastel brook]

-AI brain explodes-

[nimble ingot]

oop.

[hushed steeple]

Less dramatic than I had hoped.

[hushed steeple]

i HC that the extra voices in the songs showcased in the AURORA Concert are the Spirits being her backup singers

[pastel brook]

shards, you keep me crawling on my knees

[hushed steeple]

Why does this line make me wanna sing?

[arctic sphinx]

I wanna ask something, why Little Prince spirits has chain on their body??

[modern mulch]

Does anyone know who the 6th spirit is, I don't think it's been brought up before

[untold notch]

you are!

[modern mulch]

I should have thought of that 💀 thanks for telling me

[lapis forge]

that's a loud name 🥹love it

[hushed steeple]

It represents how they are trapped in their own vices.

Hey, so I found this pic I did 2 days ago but forgot to send😅
Its of the Dismayed Hunter.
Should be good for mesuring

I need to wake up more…

[arctic sphinx]

Wdym? Sorry, i'm still confused

[arctic sphinx]

Oh ok, thanks

[hushed steeple]

Thats a good way of phrasing it, though "obsesions" and "delusions" could also work for some of them

[hushed steeple]

It’s how the devs phrased it.

Oh, well I apologise then.😅
I guess I can get mixed up with the book characters

Though I supoase Vice has a preaty broad meaning, so there was no reason for me to go "am actually" 😅

[hushed steeple]

I do really appreciate your help, however, the chibi isn’t lined up properly to make an accurate measure.
For regular spirits it’s easiest to go to them in the hub of their realm and stand as close and lined up with them as possible without anyone’s head looking up or down.

Oh, good point
Why didnt I think of that😅

[sharp lichen]

It’s a representation of the things that are holding them back

[viral bay]

I kinda want them as cosmetics, whatever those chains represent

[nimble ingot]

Imagine one of the little prince spirits return as a TS and sells the chains as a cosmetic
Would make a fun Days of Mischief item.

[flat halo]

I think it's us

[hushed steeple]

Welp, it’s starting to storm now.
I knew that glowing, red shard that fell outside my house was a bad thing!

[viral bay]

I wonder if the shards could destroy a local village, supposing there were survivors after the Eden explosion

[young lance]

Hi lore chat, what do you think a child of light’s purpose is? Is it only to return fallen stars? To clear the kingdom of the darkness? Or is there more to it?

[sharp lichen]

It’s debatable.

I think there are many purposes for the Skykids:

Free the spirits.

Restore the Sky world and prevent darkness from spreading.

Help and take care of other light creatures.

Help awaken the Elders.

[modest totem]

I think part of what we’re doing is trying to keep Eden Storm from completely covering the realms. We do this by collecting winged light and returning them to the stars, and in return while we have them they help us fly. Obviously we don’t know how to actually fix Eden, and after Season of Shattering I think if this is correct Eden will become more dangerous. Note that now in Eden when we get struck by red shards we crawl. Before Shattering that didn’t happen.

[muted compass]

i think this has been discussed before, maybe? but i just think it's interesting how certain masks showcase glowing eyes. but if you're going faceless, for whatever reason our eyes are closed instead. either we're blind and have to communicate through ecolocation or idk what bc we're still able to burn plants, light candles, so forth

[sharp lichen]

My interpretation was that the eyes itself were in the mask and the “maskless” option only made it invisible, so the eyes are still there

[flint bolt]

Super secret Sky lore

||baudshaw stinky||

[sharp lichen]

Wh-What??

[muted compass]

ooh that's a good interpretation! i think that's an interesting way to see how our eyes work

[hushed steeple]

I agree

[pastel brook]

i was dreaming of this!

Who put all these candles everywhere?!?

[covert hazel]

CONCEPT.

THE BIG MULTIPLE LIMBED MANTA WALES IN THE SKY

THEY GOT CORRUPTED SO MUCH BY THE SKY PEOPLE'S ACTIONS THAT THEY TURNED INTO THE KRILL

IN THIS ESSAY I WILL-

[nimble ingot]

I shall await that great wall of text.

[hushed steeple]

I wanted to… invite… something

[covert hazel]

OKAY SO

ESSENTIALLY MY THEORY IN GENERAL IS THAT THE SKY PEOPLE BROUGHT THE DARKNESS UPON THEMSELVES AND THE KRILL SEEM FOREIGN RIGHT? WRONG

THEY FIT THE BIOLOGICAL PATTERN OF THE REST OF THE WORLD

SO

IM THINKING THAT THE BIG MANTA WALES WHEN THEY DIED FROM TUE CORRUPTION OF THE PEOPLE THEY BASICALLY BECAME UNDEAD, NOW HUNTING LIGHT, MUCH LIKE ZOMBIES.

AND OF COURSE THEY HATE THE CHILDREN OF LIGHT BECAUSE ALL THEY DO IS REMIND THEM OF THE PEOPLE THAT MADE THEM THIS WAY.

ALSO THE KRILL CAME FROM WHERE? THE SKY. THROUGH A STORM. AND WHERE ARE THE BIG UNIVERSE WALE MANTA DUDES???? IN THE SKY.

SO, THESE CREATURES ALSO BEING REPRESENTATIVES OF KNOWLEDGE AND INTELLIGENCE SAW WHAT THESE PEOPLE WERE DOING AND JUST, CORRUPTED. AND THEN CAME DOWN ON THE PEOPLE.

BECAUSE THE DARKNESS IS IN FACT CORRUPTION

AND THE KRILL LOOK A LITTLE SKELLY AND SOMETIMES THEY HAVE GLOWY LITTLE BITS ON THEM QUITE LIKE THE GALAXY WALE MANTAS.

IMPLYING CORRUPTION.

ALSO THEY THEMSELVES ARE A SOURCE OF LIGHT BECAUSE OF THEIR LITTLE LAMP THINGY KINDA LIKE AN ANGLER FISH.

ALSO THE KRILL ARE SEA CREATURES BROUGHT TO LAND MUCH LIKE THE OTHER CREATURES OF SKY.

IM KINDA JUST WORD VOMITING BUT YOU GET ME

[lusty merlin]

I mean ya the krills are confirmed corrupted light creatures but they’re tiny compared to the giant mantas with the multiple wings. Like I say those mantas are 3-5x the length and 3x the width, their anatomy just has a bit to many differences for them to be the the corrupted version of them

[nimble ingot]

(When the teacher gave out homework to write a 1 page essay) XD

[lusty merlin]

I also don’t think krill’s hate skykids either I think they’re just acting on instinct to look for light, maybe to combat the corruption? The one in wasteland attacks the manta too, a light creature, so it’s not just us.

Could point to the passive krill with the little prince, but I think that can be explained of him not being from our world technically and not made of light, since he travels from planet to planet and all

[covert hazel]

I mean they could've like

Split apart-

Which is even cooler to me

[lusty merlin]

Like a piece of the manta splits to form a krill? (Idk why I typed whale)

[covert hazel]

Y e s

[lusty merlin]

Maybe? I can’t really see it though still I’m sorry, but I can point to this light creature we see in the switch trailer, they share a ton more similarities to the krill with their eye, and seem to be the same size to one too

Still tho unless we somehow get more info on krills is really just up and are in stuff, the splitting is a cool idea tho

[covert hazel]

OHHHH THAT. THAT.

I lub him.

[lusty merlin]

Yaya! I’ll admit it’s one of the reasons I can’t really see the other creatures but that one being an uncorrupted krill. Yeah it doesn’t have the horns, spikes, or sharp legs, but unless we see corruption in action who knows what it can change

[nimble ingot]

Welp, you are on the right track.

Darkness is the opposite of Light, which means they are the opposite of Life. As Light in Sky represent life to creatures and ancestors.
Darkness may not necessarily mean corruption or evil. Though coupled with the corruption of the darkstone (the red light), one can compare it to other fantasy lore that involves undead.

The Krill are Dark Dragons. The Darkness has taken their light, which in turn left them hungering for light.
The game confirms this for us, which is why krill would go after skykids.
Even if a skykid's light goes out, they still have that piece of light within them and the krills can still sense it.
This may imply that krill may not go for just any fire, but a particular kind of Flame, the kind that skykids are partly made of, what ancestors once had, and what the megabird was made of. Living Light.

Going off colour symbolism in Sky.
blue usually represents the Ancestors (the soul),black represents death, red represents corruption and white/yellow/orange represents the Light (this may vary with context though).
A krill being this dark would visually suggest they are connected to death. Their blue light may have a different meaning, though may connect to them to the history of the ancestors, while the red light as they prepare to attack represents them being corrupted.

[covert hazel]

Ooooooo

I knew the dark part I was just talking about how the sky people kinda killed their own world with pollution and war.

[nimble ingot]

True and very much plausible given the amount of pollution, destruction of Eden, and the war.

[hushed steeple]

I finally got the chibi spell on my alt account!
But I don’t want to do measuring today, did a lot of physical work and I’m still not used to that.
But I want to be responsible so might as well get to measuring Ruby!

[nimble ingot]

Take your time Esther.
Your effort is appreciated, and don't mind waiting. 🙂

[hushed steeple]

Meh, it’s a good life skill for me to develop.

Oof, nearly drowned for these.
Still might need more data.

[nimble ingot]

How on earth were you able to get so close!

[earnest briar]

beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeg boy

[nimble ingot]

Also, these are amazing pictures.

(Ah I see it now! This is the boi in the tank. Touche')

[earnest briar]

It looks kinda like it has chiton, or something like that. See the way it has those layers? I always thought it was smooth because I never got a good enough look at it.

[nimble ingot]

I wish the big boi was as easy to get close to as with the beginning of the season.

This may be a stretch.
Though if you can get a close up of your chibi next to something on the creature (say a next to the eye, or one of the back fins)
You may be able to get an approximate reference to the scale of the creature with this image showing it in its entirety.

For example, the second image is an estimate (So we can assume it is in the ballpark of 130 chibis)
If you would like folks to help you with this monumental task, feel free to ask.

[hushed steeple]

Welp, missed the chance to get up close again. But this may help us

Here I have put one of the krill from the cutscene up to the head of Ruby.

It’s a bit iffy but if this is correct this may be about the size of a chibi compared to one of Ruby’s eyes.

How long was a krill again?

Nvm found it

[hoary ingot]

Is it possible that other animals existed in the universe of Sky before eventual extinction? Similar to the way curtains existed in real life but are no more? Case and point, the masks of this season are masks of animals we’ve never seen. Also, the raccoon tailed cape is another.

[nimble ingot]

yes.
Some of them were shown in Concept art. 👍

[sharp lichen]

Definitely, especially with how Isle and Wasteland looked beforehand

[hushed steeple]

It’s likely not accurate but is able to provide a better understanding of just how much of a leviathan this is…

soft dramatic music begins playing

43

music intensifies a bit

0.675

music continues to rise in intensity as brass joins softly

A Somewhat Slow Paced Rhythm Begins Playing On The Timpanis As A Bass Drum Plays Half Notes

44

THE BEGINNING INSTRUMENTS NEARLY REACH THEIR CLIMAX AS THE BLARING OF THE RISING BASS IS NOTICED AND PERCUSSION BECOMES MORE COMPLEX AND FASTLY PACED

9.4 ft

the ensemble ends, leaving nothing but the ringing reverb of the instruments

Let me re-iterate that

430.675-449.4 FEET!!!

It could be more, could be less. It was hard to measure the bump that Ruby did towards the end of the body so I just estimated with the part of the last krill I left out of the first measure and we can’t say for certain that I accurately scaled and/or measured the krill I used.

I’m surprised it’s moving so much due to how much energy it’d need to maintain itself, but then again this doesn’t have the same biology as most things.

[sharp lichen]

400 feet? That’s like a whole football field to you Americans

This height thing has really reached its climax

[hushed steeple]

ITS LARGER THAN THE LARGEST ANIMAL TO EVER LIVE!!!!!!!!
(It’s not even close)

[sharp lichen]

4 times bigger than a blue whale, yes

[hushed steeple]

It’s taller than the tallest tree

[nimble ingot]

Goodness gracious.
It is official, we have data to present the largest creature in the game.
That is going to be very hard score to beat in Sky.

[earnest briar]

something something deep-sea gigantism (I am not smart enough to elaborate)

[hushed steeple]

Only takes four of them to best the tallest skyscraper in the USA!

[hushed steeple]

Seeing as this creature is definitely nowhere close enough to the deep I think this can just be considered normal for Sky.(at least in terms of corruption)

[sharp lichen]

Someone should make a height doc for calculating all of these

[earnest briar]

Side note I love how lorechat has gone on a measuring spree. First we had physics and now we have everything being measured in chibimeters.

I want to see how many chibimeters tall and wide the Eden Diamond is.

[sharp lichen]

That seems impossible unless you use the Shattering memories, but even then the scale is wonky

[hushed steeple]

I’m sure Ruby would be an absolute terror to people in real life.
I mean, an absolutely MASSIVE sea creature that is willing to go near the surface of the ocean and very likely CAN fly above the water!!!???!!???!!

You’d be seeing less divers and boats!!!

Can we talk about the fact that we NEVER SEE THESE MANTAS AGAIN!!!!
We don’t even get to know where they went!!!

[covert hazel]

I APPRECIATE THESE SO MUCH

Wait is her Canon name Ruby??? If so I LOVE that

Oh my b

[hushed steeple]

Person asks you to get into a debate over who would win:
-1,000,000 of any one carnivorous or omnivorous animal from earth
Or
-all of the animals/creatures from any game of your choosing
And expect to have some sort of chance.

And then you choose Sky:CotL

[covert hazel]

Big Ruby gorl just swallows everyone whole

[hushed steeple]

N O M

[covert hazel]

I wanna like. Power scale the creatures in sky to other video game creatures

[hushed steeple]

We still don’t know if you can even penetrate the exoskeleton of a krill much less Ruby.

[covert hazel]

Because we can't exactly fight them so technically they're undefeatable until specified otherwise

[hushed steeple]

I mean, the light creatures have shown they have the intelligence to understand when they’re in a war(kinda, likely more complicated)and could hold their ground quite well during the war(maybe… allegedly.)
AND THEY CAN FLY WITHOUT THE NEED FOR WIND
OR EVEN PROPER WINGS!!!
Their body isn’t even properly aerodynamic as far as I’m aware!

And not to mention more can just MATERIALIZE BASICALLY!!!!!!

[covert hazel]

It's because they're made of light! :DDD their entire body is made up of light and magic. So unless you have the ability to suck the life and light out of something they're untouchable! (Thus why the krill are so danger for everyone in the kingdom of sky)

I like to compare the light creatures to the gems form Steven universe! It's a reflected form of light so they do have a physical form, thus why they can be captured and such. Also light can't travel through walls and such either in general so.

I wonder...do light creatures have...organs????? Or reproductive... anything?

Because the birds nest area doesn't actually have nests. Or eggs.

[sharp lichen]

I think they come from the same place we do, the stars

[covert hazel]

Makes sense

So the stars have organs then is what I'm gathering

[sharp lichen]

I mean, do you really need organs

[covert hazel]

I mean

We do

Dunno about the light peeps tbh

Maybe not

Single celled organisms

Would they then be considered amoeba?????

[sharp lichen]

I guess??

Sky doesn’t really operate in our laws of science

[hushed steeple]

Science? Who gives their child a weird name like that?

completely ignores the existence of Ekkuhlypse

[hushed steeple]

Being a single celled organism doesn’t make you an amoeba.
You could be bacteria, plankton, or even this thing!

[covert hazel]

Ohhhh my b

[keen shore]

….are you not American too??

[sharp lichen]

Nothing of that sentence made any sense

A football field is not even 400 feet

[earnest briar]

Forbidden jawbreaker

[covert hazel]

A football field is 360

[hushed steeple]

Skybot’s favorite food. Green ball of algae that looks like a big pea or green jawbreaker!

[leaden hornet]

that is about 1.5 football fields

[sharp lichen]

Good to know

[covert hazel]

#screenshots-and-videos message

Just sharing this because I can't send photos here

[leaden hornet]

that's a whale. in santuary isles one can be seen.

[covert hazel]

The whales don't look like that

[leaden hornet]

it's called an elder manta but they're referred to as whales. This is the thing in the picture.

[covert hazel]

LITERALLY WHAT IS THAT

Is that the thing you unlock on sanctuary???

[leaden hornet]

yes

[hushed steeple]

And also this

[lusty merlin]

Aren’t whales the one we see in the forest caves and eden ascent sequence? this lad

I think they’re just elder mantas

[nimble ingot]

There is a bit of a discreption (confusion) on which is a whale, a big fish, or an elder manta.

I believe the reason has stemmed from uncertainty when the creatures were introduced to the game and TGC not outright confirming/stating which is which.
Thus leading players coming to these conclusions.

With all things considered.
The Big fish could theoretically be considered an elder fish. Which grants them the title as whale, based on the ancestor spirit for its call being a Whale whisperer.

The elder manta is also distinguishable based on the concept art for it, the context of it given by the season focusing on mantas; and no in-game references that implied it was a whale to begin with.

Lastly, may as well add this to the list.
One can hypothetically propose that the leviathan in Abyss be an elder as well.
Although it is a dark creature, and likely not a manta, nor fis/whale.
We may not have any other context indicators for it such as a smaller version (unless it is the krill), or an ancestor call.

Let's suggest that it may be related to the krill.
It could therefore be theoretically called an Elder Dark Dragon.
However, this is speculation and rough deduction.

[hushed steeple]

So did some diging around in the sky wiki
-The huge armored fish is called a whale (though it does mention this is only in reference to its size, and that is bassed on fish like the Dunkleosteus and Arowana
-The one in sactuaty is called the elder manta

It is possible that these 2 species are the most evolved forms of creatures in the manta and fish groups, similary to how our elders are a much bigger, older and more powerful version of the ancestor race

[onyx schooner]

||Hey, leaving a reply for you. If I recall we see one or two of those during our flight to orbit. Most things we've freed during our journey up to eden I think gets recorded to show up during that part. || if this doesnt need to be hidden then ill fix it later.

[nimble ingot]

Correct 🙂

The whale was at times (or still is) mentioned as a Big Fish in the game.
This may either be a dev name for the creature and not its true canon name.
Though it does enforce its connection to the fish species in sky.

Semantics and logistics on whales are mammals and not fish aside.
The creature is very likely an elder variant of the fish creatures we have in the game.

Not only that, the mention of bug fish and whale somewhat gices off Jonah and the Whale (or big fish) vibes.

[brave thicket]

I’m bored atm. Can you guys give me your craziest sky theories (not meme theories, like lore theories) that I should research for fun? just some names!

I’m thinking of looking more into the sky lore and making up some of my own theories

I should probably clarify I mean like documented theories like the vault hallucination theory

I wanna research em and see what other people have said about them

[lusty merlin]

I forget how it goes but the winged light being memories and the fact this isn’t our sky-kids first time in the sky kingndom based off the new behest intro sequence and even the steam description for the eventual pc release

[brave thicket]

ooo that sounds interesting

[lusty merlin]

Those technically connect but ya I really like them! I think Salem was the one to first come to conclusion with it

[brave thicket]

ohhh I see. the “remember” part is interesting

I’m gonna go into a deep dive w this one

[hushed steeple]

There’s no need to spoiler tag this.
Also I’m quite certain Ruby is the only one as far as we’ve seen and still lingers in the abyss after the final quest.

[hushed steeple]

OHHHHH, YOU WERE REFERRING TO THE MANTAS!
My bad!
There’s no for sure way to tell where they went. But I have a feeling it’s not Eden.

[drowsy flare]

Idk if this has been talked about before but I don't think krill have any ears, we can deep honk and they still don't get alerted. But they do have an acute sense of awareness because as soon as we enter the first area in gw with the krill it pops out of the water, presumably by sensing the vibrations. In the battlefield three krills appear the moment we light the dark stone and the gate starts moving

[nimble ingot]

Needless to say, it is good that they do to not hear skykids call out. Otherwise trying to help another skykid would have been a risky move with krill in the area.
Krill do have tunnel vision, but also a good sense of touch as flying near them would evoke a reaction.

I would think, krill are patrol and ambush hunters.
They can either lie and wait in sand/water till the time is right. Or endless patroll an area in search of light.
And this is usually when a skykid is near, as they always emerge when a skykid enters an area.
It is rare to see a krill alreay patrolling an area unless the server merge instances.

The ones in the graveyard also do emerge animations while the skykids are at the broken temple. This is intentional is the devs could have spawned them in at any place, and yet persistently had the dark dragons emerge from some place.

[pliant yacht]

Black holes are very small compared to the bright stars that they once were. And black hole is the only thing that can absorb light, which is why the darkness of krills are a threat to whole biology of sky kingdom.

[hushed steeple]

Drew this for when lore chat goes an hour or so without anyone speaking.

[torpid fjord]

I've always wondered what type of body the ancestors have.... I kinda think they're made of some typa wax sometimes... Like they're some wax sculpute kinda thing. Not really accurate though but it's a fun thought

[hushed steeple]

When ancestors were alive their body was made of some sort of rock.

[nimble ingot]

did someone summon a bobbit?

[torpid fjord]

Though I do think those lights we get wax from (red candle) are made from light creature lights

[hushed steeple]

I believe there are about 3 in lorechat, but there could be more.

[nimble ingot]

Indeed.

this one is an old one.
From the time before the emoji for these things changed >>

[hushed steeple]

Interesting

What if the abyss mural was actually depicting a massive bobbit worm…

[nimble ingot]

That be cool

I had a thought about what if when the island supposedly fell and sank into the ocean (this is a hypothesis I had, have not been able to get concrete evidence for it).

What if when the island allegedly sank into the ocea, it was dark water and the creatures trapped under it became corrupted dark creatures.

[hushed steeple]

I have a theory that the treasure reef is the dead leviathan we see in that initial mural. You can see weird, big, pointed figures jutting out on the right side of the beginner diving zone along with strange holes that could possibly be considered eye sockets? Not to mention the shape of the island being somewhat of a long ring that’s been eroded over time. Mixed with the previous descriptors and the knowledge that darkness seems to be able to turn things to stone it’s possible that this massive corrupted leviathan was slain by ancestors and turned to stone. And then the ancestors discovered valuable materials there and decided to build a dark stone factory on the island.

[nimble ingot]

It certainly has to have been flooded.
No way the ancestors prefere to mine, walk and check on the creatures that deep in the water.
And the abyss crew help substantiate this with them having these diving expeditions.
Suppose they found the island already sunk and the cackling canoneer competing with skykids with diving further down for more diamonds.

[hushed steeple]

Very possible, but what if instead of the island sinking, the kingdom of sky(or even the world sky is in)was flooded.
In the switch trailer we see that the cart appears to go from a desert(possibly near where starlight desert is)to forest then maybe wasteland(or the other way around, my memory is a bit fuzzy)and then appears in isle coming up from the bottom around where we start the game. But that can’t be possible as there’s nothing but ocean back there and the cart seemingly can’t cross bodies of water.
Well what if that ocean wasn’t there before.

Now to explain this I’m going to use another theory of mine that states the prophecy trials are prophecies themselves.
The water trial is about water rising and lowering and we need to make it to a hill with a beam of light.
This is a prophecy of the kingdom of sky being flooded with that hill representing Eden and the rest of the level representing the rest of the kingdom of sky.

If this is true we can assume that in the past there was more land in both isle and wasteland which means that it would be possible to go from wasteland directly to the bottom of isle at that time.

I have no idea what could have caused the flooding. Maybe someday we’ll get more information either supporting this or going against this.

[nimble ingot]

a mythical flood that has sunk an entire city...
How does that not bring up Atlantis vibes?
Let alone the biblical edition with Noah and an Ark?

[hushed steeple]

The Light: “Enchantment guide, I am flooding the world. You must build an ark and gather the lights-“
Enchantment guide: “On it! Gotta get the lights!”
The Light: “LIGHTSEEKERS! THE LIGHTSEEKERS!!!”
Enchantment Guide: “Well of course! I can’t get the lights without people who know the lights!”
The Light: “rraaaAAAAAGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH “

three hours later

Enchantment Guide: “Soooo… there was… an accident.”
The Light: “You don’t say!”
Enchantment Guide: “Y’know, if we had the Lightseekers we’d be able to get out of this no problem!”
The Light: “Why even bother warning them of a flood if they’re just going to fail in their escape anyway.”

[nimble ingot]

If only they listened...

[hushed steeple]

The entire intro cutscene from back then was just The Light venting!/j

[odd ferry]

Are darkstones powered by light? (Like the gems used to open doors in Forest)
If they are, how did the ancestors use them?

Also what was the eye in Eden powered by? I assume it was the same as darkstones

[sharp lichen]

Yeah

[hushed steeple]

I’ve been sitting here.
Patiently watching.
Waiting.
Anticipating.
For this moment.
This euphoric occasion.
When I might be able to prove the existence of Sky bobbit worms!
/j

[glad galleon]

The Forbidden Diamond : Eye of Eden ୧
‧₊꒷．a Sky: Children of the Light Cinematic・
. ﹏ ✶ : https://youtu.be/T6rkOzLdvEI ̑̑ ▾

Inscribing words upon the page, an invitation unfolds,
To hear the surface tale, where secrets lay untold,
A story of the Forbidden Diamond's might and gleam,
Come, partake in its lore, and unravel the surface's beam.

⠀ ⠀⸝⸝ references and inspiration from LE SSERAFIM

[nimble ingot]

That is a very good poem

The bluebeard reference, Eden, and others.
This peom has more layers than at first thought.

[glad galleon]

it's actually a teaser for a song I arranged but since I also do love the lore surrounding the song + lore of eden I wanted to make a little story out of both ideas

big thanks to my friend who helped me find good wording for the poem

[sharp lichen]

This is really good

[nimble ingot]

there is a puzzle hidden in the video O.O

[nimble ingot]

oh!
I think I cracked it!

||Is it going to release on 23 June 2023 at 17:00?||

[lusty merlin]

in abyss murals its implied manta's were used and captured for their light in darkstone production. It also seemed butterflies and light particles that fall off of mantas we're also used in prairie, but considering mantas would have more light, i assume they resorted to them for efficency and to upkeep the demand. Darkstone also seemed to be sky's version of electricity, but more advanced in some aspects as it can project figures, store memories in capsules for vault, and even make objects like some boats float. but it can also do more regular stuff like be a powersource for doors and ect

[glad galleon]

||that date is already a little back in the past but you got the spirit ||
didn't expect someone to actually decode it

[earnest briar]

Hi tac I would like to inform you that I saw you were typing and for some reason referred to you mentally as 'Sah but TicTac' and now I'm laughing at the idea of a TicTac with Sah's hair on it

Not even a box, just a singular TicTac.

[lusty merlin]

everyone is associating me with Sah now help

[odd ferry]

So are they powered by light or just made using light?
(Not trying to be rude, just a little confused)

[nimble ingot]

This is lorechat, we tend to analyse things.

Also, I enjoyed figuring it out. Thank you for sharing it 🙂

[lusty merlin]

ah ya sorry for not carifying but they are powerd by light! darkstone is seen being mined in mindful's miner quest for aurora and in the concert

[earnest briar]

Wdym you're obviously Sah's alternate account

[odd ferry]

And I assume your saying that the ancestors used light creatures to power it?
Sorry I'm just trying to get more clarification-

[hushed steeple]

WAIT TILL MEKH HEARS YOURE USING DISCORD AGAIN!!!!!!!/j

[lusty merlin]

yaya pretty much, by the looks of it try tried to gain it sustainably with fall off light but demand would've pushed them to find faster methods

[hushed steeple]

OMG someone ping htis jewel!!!

[odd ferry]

Then how was Eden's gem powered? If we have an answer-

[hushed steeple]

heres a sky-bot-level question, BUt

lore chat has lore¿

[lusty merlin]

ough i remember Alasdair brought it up but he think's eden could be like a blackhole of sorts, or more specifically a quasar from the beam that would suck any light in and project it back out (can find the convo abt it hold on)

[nimble ingot]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message
this one?

[lusty merlin]

yaya here, he explains it alot better than i do

[hushed steeple]

yes yes, and by lore, i mean like, lore of its own

(again, sky bot lever question XD)
(pd: imma steal his job >:D)

[odd ferry]

Thank you!

[keen shore]

I’m so glad I’m not the only one who associates them so deeply

[lusty merlin]

-sends that crab whisper sticker-

[hushed steeple]

Man, I’m hungry.
eats sticker

Oooh, stars and black holes?!
Time to mention my favorite theory!
The quasi star!!!!!

[hushed steeple]

So, I just realized that sky kids could be using nuclear fusion to power themselves……

That’s how stars are powered.
And quasi stars(aka black hole stars)are powered by black holes.

What if sky kids are using an internal form of purple light to have the ability to create cosmetics(aside from the cape(probably).)
I mean the other cosmetics certainly have a shadow!

[frigid tinsel]

they don’t need purple light, they just use regular light

[hushed steeple]

Yeah, cause white light has every color of light in it!

This is an image showing every way our sun could potentially appear to something(I believe.)
Since sky kids are born from stars it’s reasonable to assume this sort of idea could apply to a sky kid potentially.

Our sun generally appears white to us but is technically green if you go by waves of color in the sun in which green has just slightly stronger wave lengths than a few other colors.

[sharp lichen]

Wait how??

[hushed steeple]

Consumption of purple light.

[nimble ingot]

XD darn it

oop, what happened?

[hushed steeple]

Passage guide is a witch!!!/j

The previous image didn’t set well with me.

[nimble ingot]

lol aw, I liked the zoomed in look.

All ghosts can float, lol.
They just dont do that often.

It is interesting to see the guides do this more than most ancestors spirits though.

[hushed steeple]

Bird

Wonder who their cobbler is.

[nimble ingot]

am low key jealous at their comfy and sturdy looking shoes.

[nimble ingot]

welcome to lorechat.
Have some cookies
🍪 🍪 🍪 🍪 🍪 🍪 🍪 🍪 🍪

[desert badger]

are the sky spirits like dead things
i thought they were alive stars :(

[hushed steeple]

Thank you!

They always pay attention to the birds but never the children their massacring!
THEY WOULDVE BEEN SUCH A BEAUTIFUL TREE YOU FIEND!!!!/j

[desert badger]

NOOO THEY'RE DEAD???? HOW DID I MISS THIS

[nimble ingot]

The game is haunted.
The ancestor spirits were trapped in the realms.
They had unfinished business, and/or were bound to the mortal realm.

Us skykids are tasked to help them pass on.

[hushed steeple]

The game is haunted by those from my discontinued analog horror series thing.

[nimble ingot]

Sky in a nutshell:
Seasons of OCs

[hushed steeple]

I wonder what percentage of the Sky community are furries.

[covert hazel]

We need a poll

[hushed steeple]

I’m totally not a furry guys, totally UwU./s/j
||Why am I doing this||

[hushed steeple]

That’s what the next poll of the week is gonna be about lol./j

[covert hazel]

I am most definitely a furry. I'm not super into the community of it or culture but I have a fursona and I want a fursuit so like

[sharp lichen]

In #lore-discussion-spoilers it’s 99%.

Everyone except Skybot (for now) (for the time being) (in this case)

[hushed steeple]

Fun fact:
Everyone is a furry now!
I don’t care if you don’t wanna be one!

[hushed steeple]

Makes sense, furries are literally the back bone of society lol!

[earnest briar]

I mean I heard they tend to pay artists pretty well for commissions, so I'd say that's a good thing for the artists.

[hushed steeple]

Furries occupy very important jobs in society too. In fact a lot of them do so if furries disappeared society would likely collapse.

Wait, if isle was full of furries,
And the kingdom of sky rejected isle,
THEN MAYBE THATS WHY THE KINGDOM OF SKY COLLAPSED!!!!/j

[nimble ingot]

It may explain why the realm has the highest animal mask ratio.
Literally season spirits from, rhythm, belonging, gratitude, prophecy (whole group) and Passage (whole group post completion), are wearing animal masks.

The few exceptions are piggyback spirit from light seekers, candlemaker, usherer and rejecting voyager.

[hushed steeple]

THATS WHY VALLEY WAS SO WELL OFF!
CAUSE OF THE COMMISSIONS!/j

[earnest briar]

There's something so funny to me about the fact that furries are so integral to our society but so many people think they're weird. Like yeah they can definitely be weird but that doesn't mean they're all morally evil creepy people who want to eat your baby. There's a thing called boundaries, and most people tend to respect them. Even furries.

okay but what would our Esteemed Peepaw's fursona be (I'm talking about Isle Elder)

[nimble ingot]

Vulture

[earnest briar]

wait Ash gives us Spirit fursonas sometimes. Was that what she said Isle's was?

[hushed steeple]

So, even though it can be hard to live comfortably on commissions, if wasteland is already in a depression of sorts, vault doesn’t care for money, Eden is BO CGSRSFIGJCH, Isle is fully furry, and Forest and prairie are partially furries(with forest being more industrial and likely having more money.) THEN VALLEY CAN BECOME RICH AS THE MAJORITY OF THE KINGDOM IS COMMISSIONING THEM!!!!!!
/j

[pastel brook]

Use this link to learn about how you can protect yourself from unsolicited DMs and friend requests, and how to report accounts to us moderators on the server. #general-sky-discussion message

[hushed steeple]

I wonder if I can measure the Eden mountain using chibis!/j

[cyan wren]

Fr

[hushed steeple]

Stagehand just fails to make it into short gang.

[nimble ingot]

If you do get around to doing that, I bid you godspeed, you brave soul.

[keen shore]

As a diplomatic representative of short gang, we have decided to let Stagehand into the short gang

[hushed steeple]

As they who invented short gang in terms of cbm stage hand does not meet the 2 cbm max required to enter shortgang and allowing them would be unfair to abyss guide and hide and seek pioneer.

[keen shore]

People who aren’t even members of short gang gatekeeping short gang, you hate to see it… Stagehand is welcome in our ranks any day /lh

[nimble ingot]

And thus a splinter group has formed.
Which shall be known as the Shortgang rebels.

[grizzled gust]

So uh, about the Season of Passage. One thing I noticed about the four spirits is that they have very different models than the other young spirits or to any previous spirits, it was almost like they’re more closer to be children of light then spirits. Not only just the four of them, but all the other spirits that showed in their memories. Could Season of Passage be about how spirit teaches the ancient cotl?

[hushed steeple]

Those I have labeled shortgang in terms of ancestors are very likely children or teens.

[hushed steeple]

No, children of light are meant to look like ancestors.

[grizzled gust]

why do the others in in passage’s ancestors memory glows so much

[nimble ingot]

they could be ancient skykids (the fallen before they went to eden)

[hushed steeple]

Do sky kids have memories to relive?

[grizzled gust]

That’s what I meant XD

[nimble ingot]

yes.
We just dont teach emotes to other skykids (as far as the game is concerned). But we can make them with the diamonds.

[hushed steeple]

Oh, wait, I see. Are you saying the children glowing white are sky kids?

[nimble ingot]

yup

[hushed steeple]

Maybe, they could’ve been the past helpers of the passage guide!

[grizzled gust]

Like these?

[nimble ingot]

Exactly.
It is the closest thing us skykids have to creating memories that the ancestors make.

Either from the scattered diamonds, or from the share memory shrines.

[grizzled gust]

If that’s the case, there is a lot more layer to the season then

[nimble ingot]

yup.

One that is slowly building up from other seasons.

See prophecy, and performance (aas well as Aurora and Little Prince too, though take with a grain of salt given the collabs).

[grizzled gust]

No way the spirits are not only just recordings? They lives?

I feel like they are not “physically” there but in spirit

[nimble ingot]

They are reliving their last living memories.
Thier memories are a bit different since we do not see a diamond used for them.

I suspect it is the stone husks that are acting as the 'share memory diamond'.
Since it is present when the memory is completed, and it glows blue as it shatters (implying the memory has been relived and the spirit is no longer trapped).

[hushed steeple]

Gratitude’s last living moments weren’t even in their own land!
Tragic!

[muted compass]

genuine question but if there's an "adult" height pot, could that imply that adult skids exist or is it just me overanalyzing things idk

cuz if you think abt it, the faceless mask just makes us look older

[grizzled gust]

So the four ancestor from passage could also use the same way to trapped their spiritual self tho they’re sky kids and usually dies in eyes of Eden and rebirth?

[hushed steeple]

I don’t know, I don’t even think the adult height is actually as tall as adult ancestors.

[hushed steeple]

I don’t think those four ancestors were sky kids.

[muted compass]

that's true 😭

i think the adult pot makes us like. a bit over max height

[hushed steeple]

However, the baby spell ACTUALLY makes us around the average size of a real life 6 m/o baby.

[grizzled gust]

I think if they really want to make them into ancestors, they could just use the models of youth ancestor instead of using something that is visually similar to skids( unless they are incredibly lazy to create new models)

[muted compass]

that's also a good point, im not sure what the actual measurement is for chibis is tho in game. i do know max height is abt 3'11 but then again, there are so many possibilities on what u get

[hushed steeple]

The thing is that ancestors and sky kids intentionally look the same. So it’s not lazy, it’s just lore.

[nimble ingot]

Note to clarify.

The memories of the spirits may not be their last living ones (I should have been more clear on this, my apologies).

It is unlikely every memory of the spirits were their last moments alive. As it is also possible that not all spirits have chosen their dying moments. As some may have chosen to relive a different memory instead.

As far as I learned, it is uncertain when and how all ancestor spirits have fallen (passed away).
And is also uncertain with interactions beyond their memories were when they were alive, or as ghosts.

[grizzled gust]

But they are not tho….. atleast in models they are completely different

[hushed steeple]

Have you seen the switch trailer yet?

[nimble ingot]

I am not confident that ancestor children are like skykids.
As much as I am unsure if skykids can truly pass as ancestor children.

It is somewhat reminiscent to the tale of Pinocchio when considering whether skykids are real children, or mere imitations.
Given they are fire proof, can fly and have a holy flame keeping them alive. It is unlikely a skykid is a human/ancestor.

However, it is unknown (as far as I know) whether a skykid could eventually 'grow up' to become an ancestor.
(suppose one can, it may have taken a long time. And not only that, a skykid existing for that long would probably have become very powerful. Perhaps as powerful as an elder?)
||Perhaps becoming a Prince of Sky? ||

[grizzled gust]

Prince’s souls shard theory? (Or fragment of spirit

[nimble ingot]

Possibly?
(I should look that up)

I am bouncing off other theories at this time.
The chosen one, the first skykid, skykid/Pinocchio for instance.

[grizzled gust]

From what I heard about the theory is that a parts of us(spirit) came from the shards of the shattered twisted king/ prince of light, mega separated the prince’s spirits in to many pieces so it wouldn’t created another powerful being that would pretentiously destroy the environment like the king, but also being able to sacrifice in order to save the lost spirits in the storm. That spirit/soul/personality shard helps explaining why we collect winged light and able to infante the Prince in the end of the game.

Fun theory but lot’s of thing unexplained

[grizzled gust]

I’m not saying all skid are probably youth ancestors and the other way around but just the four spirits from the Season of Passage could perhaps be ancient skids

[nimble ingot]

The ones that completed the trail?
Quite possible, as well as being possibly the same individual skykid that did all the trials.

[grizzled gust]

YES

They literally look like us(even the ones in memory), the whole season except the guide which totally look like my other ghostly fellas

Plus seeing the particular spirit from dawn literally picking up skid that just fell from the sky(some says it’s the prince of light too)

[untold notch]

the prince is a Wendy's employee

[nova meadow]

I thought those two skykids were Jack and Jill because they went up a hill carrying a pail of water
And then they tumbled down the hill

[hushed steeple]

But they could also just be very young ancestors like pleading child.

[grizzled gust]

But even the pleading child has longer limbs then skykid unlike the one I show that’s literally a rip off version of skid(even the heights are similar)

[hushed steeple]

Just by eyeing this picture I can tell they are taller than(or at the very least as tall as)pleading child.

[grizzled gust]

Probably cause you are using the chibi mask?

[hushed steeple]

I’m using a lore chat measurement system known as cbm. If this were a sky kid they would be significantly shorter./lh

Oh, also, wasn’t the wayfarer from AURORA the size of a skid in their quest?

Oh my megabird they were shorter than my Sky kid!
And now look at them!
All grown up!
And dead…

[hushed steeple]

By the way, if these memories weren’t blue and instead grayish, like normal spirit memories after reliving them for the first time, Running Wayfarer would be more white like the small ancestors in the passage spirits’ memories.
I have no idea why they are like this but they just are.

Ooo, these ancestors are close to the average height of a 12 year old!

Makes sense for passage and assembly spirits since they’re referred to as adolescents.
Makes sense for warrior of love since their quest takes place in the past, seemingly when they were an adolescent.
And for flight guide, well, they were the apprentice of the prairie elder.

[sharp lichen]

I think it would be unlikely they were children of light like us. They were the same/similar height to other spirits. The Ancestor Spirits were likely a different species entirely.

[hushed steeple]

They were referring to the passage spirits themselves.

[sharp lichen]

changed it

[hushed steeple]

Also, height is no longer an identifier as Running Wayfarer was smaller than some skids today.

[sharp lichen]

My theory was that the Void of Shattering is the king/prince in a different form, forced into this dark body but still helping us regardless.

[sharp lichen]

It's possible the infant Ancestors were smaller, but the Passage spirits were labeled as "adolescent"

[hushed steeple]

Around the average height of a 12 year old.

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[hushed steeple]

That’s cause you’re too tall to recognize the reality of it all.

I’ve started cataloging the general stage of life for each ancestor.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-wlVpi0LeCZcCTmU3m4f3vYLA-NwbWa_OVgcPbXVPOE/edit

[keen shore]

What makes figuring this out especially infuriating is that TGC reuses models so much that these could be ancestor children,cjust reusing the child of light spirit memory model because it’s the easiest. Given our current lore knowledge, this is likely the case, as boring of an answer as it is.

[pastel brook]

Did you know crabs are non-flammable?

[hushed steeple]

I come with a big batch of measured spirits.(just wait, there’s more)

Part 2 of the batch!

[nova meadow]

Is the tgc hand a canon part of sky lore?
Y’all I was joking, not a genuine question 😭

[hushed steeple]

I forgot Sparkler Parent…

[flint bolt]

how tall am i in cbm?

[sharp lichen]

idk, what is your height in the game

[hushed steeple]

1.4/4

[flint bolt]

a

[hushed steeple]

I’m tired cause it’s late but I’m also bored cause I’m wanting to watch a stream but have to do other things to stay entertained too. So here we go!

Do you think that mask eyes are separate from actual eyes? I’ve noticed that on every mask I wear the glow of the eyes are spherical. And while walking through the back stage area of the village theatre I noticed these are still on the masks despite not being worn. So maybe the eyes of masks are separate from actual eyes and are able to be controlled when worn possibly through the use of dark stone! This might explain why dark stone shows on one of the masks from Remembrance, because masks could be completely made out of dark stone(usually.)

[sharp lichen]

What I’ve said before:

My interpretation was that the eyes itself were in the mask and the “maskless” option only made it invisible, so the eyes are still there

[hushed steeple]

I’m not saying sky kids don’t have eyes. I’m saying masks might have their own eyes if that makes sense.

[sharp lichen]

I’m saying the eyes are contained in the mask

[hushed steeple]

I’m confused, sorry.

[sharp lichen]

You said that mask eyes were separate from actual eyes

I’m saying (for Skykids at least) that their eyes are contained in the mask.

For spirits, they already have eyes and masks don’t change that

[rough urchin]

I once had a chat with my friend and we were talking about sky theories... Here's what we sort of talked about:

If skykids drain light and need it to survive, doesn't that mean that a skykid is darkness and not light?
Also only the skykids have shadows, not the wings so kinda makes sense
And the eye of eden is literally a red light rock, plus lightning
So skykids live on light and that's why eden wanted to take light from them because they used up too nuch light which is how the darkness came, and the krills and crabs once used to be light creatures, until we used up all their light. Now they're angry so they attack us
revenge moohaha

Anyways that was all

[floral skiff]

Any huge lore revelations as of recently?

[balmy spoke]

Sky kids don't have teeth

[balmy spoke]

About the biggest revelation in recent memory

[floral skiff]

Cool 😎

[balmy spoke]

Oh and people have been measuring things with chibi's and have measured krill and ruby amongst other spirits too

[grizzled gust]

How about the changes of the prophecy cave, the prince of light is gone

[hushed steeple]

You have to do the fire thingy on each rock each time you wanna see it.

[hushed steeple]

I’m confused on what you’re trying to say with “their eyes are contained in the mask.”
It doesn’t make much sense to me(sorry.)/lh

[hushed steeple]

Ahem!
/j

[hoary ingot]

oh wow 😭

[marble lynx]

my hc is only dark sky kids and half-corrupted sky kids have teeth, but this is only in my ficverse

[marble lynx]

sky kids don't have actual eyes without masks, probably

[earnest briar]

Sorry, but you guys are completely off about the Sky Kids being the bad guys. We don't take light, we share and bring it, and Light Creatures share with us as well. There are non-hostile crabs as well if you know where to look. Also, would a species who we are explicitly told are here to help the kingdom by freeing the Spirits and helping them ascend be stealing the light of every creature they come across? In fact, you guys have it backwards. The Spirits were the ones using too much light, because they were taking the light of Light Creatures in order to power those gems we see everywhere. Your first encounter with a Krill is literally it attacking and killing a Manta right in front of you, proving that it's not just us they're hostile to.

Their exploitation of the world's resources is presumably what led to the kingdom's downfall after things became unsustainable. The reason we lose our light and die in Eden is because the Eden Diamond is messed up in some way and completely out of control.

The shards are literally called 'fallen shards of darkness from Eye of Eden' and when one lands we get the message 'Darkness has fallen in realm name'. I understand the fun behind making up cool ideas, but taking evidence from the game into account is also important because otherwise you'll end up with stuff like "Sky Kids are eviiiiiiiiiiil and we're the bad guys messing everything up" and no real evidence to back it up when it gets scrutinized. If we're so evil, then why are we collecting Winged Light to return them to the statues in Eden and free our brethren so they can pass on as well? The line when we enter Stormlock is "Return the light of the fallen".

I'm not even the most experienced lore nerd here, and I was easily able to debunk that theory of yours.

Sky doesn't shove paragraphs of lore dumps into your face every 5 seconds. It relies on immersion and paying attention to your surroundings in order to learn and understand things, and that's not that difficult to do if you don't rush through the game.

[hushed steeple]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-wlVpi0LeCZcCTmU3m4f3vYLA-NwbWa_OVgcPbXVPOE/edit
Here is the doc I made to attempt to categorize ancestors in terms of development(baby, child, pre-teen, teen, etc.)If you are interested in seeing my interpretations and/or providing your own ideas or critiques I would suggest checking it out. I have added more spirits to it and organized it better.

Also, short gang requirements have been changed. An ancestor must be able to be considered a teen in terms of height.
||Frantic Stagehand is considered short gang now||

[hushed steeple]

Oof, discord is ruining my format.

[sharp lichen]

Skykids do not drain light at all. Instead, they share it with others. If you see how a Skykid lights a candle with another Skykid, they don’t take away that light. They both get more.

Skykids have a physical body, so of course they have shadows.

[marble lynx]

For me, flight guide is a teenager despite their height

[rough urchin]

Skykids do drain light when they fly, and why does the cape not have shadows?

[marble lynx]

Capes make out of light

[hushed steeple]

Sky kids lose light as they fly because they are using it to propel themselves through the air.
And the cape is made entirely of light which does not have a shadow.

[sharp lichen]

Their own light, it’s like humans consuming their own energy

[earnest briar]

We use our own energy, we don't take it from others. Light Creatures share their energy with us as a form of symbiosis, and we presumably share some of our own with them in return. Also if we only drained light from Light Creatures, then explain how we get unlimited energy by flying through clouds, or from the various lanterns and other items scattered around the world.

Those lanterns don't just extinguish themselves, they stay lit.

The whole idea behind flying is a symbiotic relationship in and of itself. We carry the Winged Light and keep it safe, it helps us manifest and power our capes so we can travel more easily, and then we take it to Eden so that we can return it to the Sky Kids there and help them ascend to Orbit.

[hushed steeple]

THE KINGDOM OF SKY IS AN ELABORATE SETUP!
A FACADE!!
ITS ALL COMPOSED OF STYROFOAM!!!
/j

[earnest briar]

I think Sky Kids would see Styrofoam as a delicacy

[flint bolt]

agreed /nj

[earnest briar]

I'm thinking of someone feeding a Sky Kid a Styrofoam cup like a protagonist from a horse girl movie feeding a horse an apple

[hushed steeple]

“Here buddy, here! Take the cup!”
Sky kid opens mouth revealing horse teeth
“AaaaaAAAAAHHHHHHHH THAT WAS MY HAND!!!!!!!!!!”

[earnest briar]

A Sky Kid with horse teeth sounds utterly cursed. I love it.

[tender rock]

This is all about my size estimates of the GW dragons btw
If the dark dragons on the GW on average is 30-50 ft in length, and the ones on Eye of Eden is about 60-70 ft, the ones on the frozen memory during specifically on one of the red shard events, is about 70/80-110 ft, then how huge is the Abyssal Dragon/Thousand Eyed Krill under the Treasure Reef?

[hushed steeple]

Krill are around 65.9-74.9 ft long. The giant dark creature may be around 450 ft long.

[rough urchin]

It was just a theory though but thanks for listening everyone

[hushed steeple]

... definetly not me... coughs furball

.. wait im not a cat- XD

I could just say I’m a plant cause that’s technically true!

Fur? What fur!
Uhhhhh…
This is just… very small
Uhhhhhh
Grass!!!

[hushed steeple]

asuhi i justr realised there was a whole discusion about the percentage of furries in ilse XD i will go investigate!

[hushed steeple]

Heeheeheeheehee!

[hushed steeple]

wait wh- 🦊

[hushed steeple]

This is a sign I probably shouldn’t be in a position of absolute power!

[hushed steeple]

.. and now im vconfused

[hushed steeple]

Yeah, I just realized that wasn’t an example of that.

anyways i will go investigate the amount of furries in sky isle

[hushed steeple]

Omg can I join?!

[lusty merlin]

Was thinking of this as a headcannon but the more I thought about it the more I felt it made sence so. Fair warning this is more headcannon leaning but i still think it could work.

I’ll call them cores, the small circles that we spirits and sky-kids have and all, it made me think of the elder cores too. Like if they’re truly that size and all and why they’re diamond shaped.

Recently I’ve been thinking about them as like the inner light, cores being sky’s version of a heart. For spirits, this can be manifested to be a condensed light, for the elders I feel like the cores are actually windows into an inner light that would go through their entire body if that makes sense. Before being gifted light from our skykids, their cores don’t even glow at all.

Unrelated to the text here, just looking at photos but like just looking at the differnce made me think

Just got thinking on how different the biology e for elders and ancestors would be

[earnest briar]

I've always seen the Elders as like...specifically made to have the role of acting as leaders, guides, etc to groups of people. They were essentially the prototype to Ancestors. They're more attuned to the Light than most Ancestors are, so they're connected to the realms they guide and govern through the Light in them. So when their realm's Light takes a hit, they'll be affected as well.

Yes this means that the Ancestors are unintentionally hurting their Elders when they do stuff like mass Light Creature harvesting for darkstone, yes this means the Elders are suffering so that the people they care for can prosper, yes this means that the people of Wasteland were more than likely horrified when they learned of the effects of the darkstone industry on their Elder's wellbeing and this contributed to the eventual conflict.

[lusty merlin]

I agree with them being made to be leaders, we have creatures legit named Eder birds and elder mantas, andking/elder jelly that seem to be the biggest of their species, would would be the ones to look over the smaller counterparts. I also see elders being the same with only the difference a few of them are much bigger than ancestors.

Maybe an elder is like a keystone part of a population in the sky world, made to be leaders to help guide the others in the right direction

[hushed steeple]

i am totally not styil counting furries in isle

[sharp lichen]

Also, Elders aren’t that much larger than the ancestors as compared to other light creatures. There are some ancestors who are larger than some elders

[hushed steeple]

WELL, after, much investigation,, and counting, and remembering that you dont need to have a fursuit (mask) to be a furry @hushed steeple and i have commed to the conclusion that...

THERE are 13 furries in isle!!!! 🦊

[hushed steeple]

Did you look at passage and the memories of the regular 3 spirits there?

[hushed steeple]

i know the one of the 3 spirits-

... WAIT

Theorem :3: if you live in Isle of Dawn you are a furry./j

[nimble ingot]

Why exclude the other six realms? /j

[hushed steeple]

You can be a furry in other realms, but not everyone in those realms is a furry.

[nimble ingot]

exactly

There are some spirits in dawn that did not have animalistic interests as far as we know, nor have an animal mask.

[sharp lichen]

Theorem :3:3: if you live in Sky you are a furry

[hushed steeple]

This just in, the entire Sky community is now furry!

[hushed steeple]

go count them and rellief theyr memories you theb :v/lh

[untold notch]

can confirm

[hushed steeple]

Pointing candlemaker is the normie, ushering stargazer is a furry but doesn’t know it yet, piggyback Lightseekers lives in forest so maybe maybe not. Sassy Drifter is a furry but since all gratitude spirits technically aren’t residents of Sky they don’t count.

In total, counting the spirits that are in other spirits’ memories but can’t be relived themselves, there may be about 23 furries in Isle maybe.

ok yhen

WELL, after, much investigation,, and counting, and remembering that you dont need to have a fursuit (mask) to be a furry @hushed steeple Something and i have commed to the conclusion that...

THERE are 23 furries in isle!!!! 🦊

[hushed steeple]

You accidentally notified a non lore chat resident to a post about furries.
Congrats!🎉/j/lh

....

[nimble ingot]

ok.

Total amount of spirits - spirits that do not have animal masks/cosmetics/interactions with animals whatsoever + any skykids (players) that are furries = more or less, at least half of the total characters in Sky.

[hushed steeple]

And at least 1/8 of them are suspiciously rich furries.

Ever get the feeling you’re being stalked by a dev?/j

[hushed steeple]

.... it was a joke XD

[nimble ingot]

I know, hence not actually doing the counting.

[balmy spoke]

It's just a sky theory 👀

[hushed steeple]

no no.

BBUT HEY, ITS JUST A THEORY,

A SKYY THEORY

bon apetit

And then the whole world takes it for fact!/j

.. since when this is meme chat? XD

Since I returned.

anyways imma go count memes in-

anyways imma go count furries in every single realm

[nimble ingot]

Lorechat is chaotic neutral when starved for lore long enough

[hushed steeple]

Trees are weird, like, you’re gonna tell me they’re plants and expect me to just believe that?
THEY ARE LITERALLY LIKE 10,000,000x BIGGER THAN A COMMON FLOWER!!!!!/j

[hushed steeple]

yesyes,...

also---

whats lore chat lore¿ like, lore chat lore, if any?

[hushed steeple]

Well, I’m a plant that’s also a biologist and was once asleep for like a year and a half I think.

Also, there are bobbit worms stalking lore chat.
Or more so hidden around lore chat.

And I don’t know what happened to wooly manta.

[nimble ingot]

ooh boi, where can I start?
(am serious)

off the top of my insomniac head:
King propaganda, woolymanta, skybot eats peas, bobbit...

[hushed steeple]

I think I’m the first person to ever measure a roughly 450 ft long creature using 6 month old babies stacked on top of one another!

wait...

[nimble ingot]

from what I have seen on the lorechat over 2 years. I would say you are most likely the first to have actually measured that big boi

[hushed steeple]

I mean it’s only been around for over a year now!

[hushed steeple]

THERE IS LORE????

i meant it as a joke XD ok but
(why there is no meme to express the feeling qwq)

https://tenor.com/view/pulpfiction-jules-samuel-jackson-tell-me-more-interested-gif-12363448

[nimble ingot]

I got u fam

[hushed steeple]

tha<t

answering to the coment under this bc i have o patience

idk, i remember it used to allow me, but since the "this is pure gold" that i sended of alasdair0s fanfic, it donts

[nimble ingot]

||not sure why lore chat wont let you post gifs, you can get around it with uploading them instead. As in download and then attach them like images.||

[hushed steeple]

interesting,

ANyways

whats the lore

[sharp lichen]

officially confirmed

[sharp lichen]

It's so off-topic that it's not worth talking about anywhere besides dms

[hushed steeple]

damn

[hushed steeple]

Oh No!

[viral bay]

Wait what

Gratitude spirits aren't Sky residents??

[sharp lichen]

They don’t have an established home in the Sky world (for now), they just sorta hang around

[lusty merlin]

I mean yeah it was tgcs first official season so ig they didn’t think of seasonal areas until later

[sharp lichen]

Gratitude needs more love 💔

[slate saffron]

So you're saying.... they haven't been getting the gratitude they deserve?

[unborn mulch]

I hope someone makes a lengthy video explaining the sky lore because I know close to nothing

[frigid tinsel]

Gratitude spirits are in Sky, so I'd say they're residents of the Sky world

[pastel brook]

My theory is that you are all very cool...maybe even as cool as me!

[hushed steeple]

Wasn’t it stated that the gratitude cosmetics were from another land?
(Also, technically rhythm was their first season but was simply called Winter 2018 instead)

[hushed steeple]

This is the closest thing I could find to what I’m talking about.

[drowsy flare]

I thought honks and deep honks were forms of sending light energy but if the krills can also do a honk when they charge towards a creature does that mean a little part of the light mantas are still in them? This is just a super wild theory xD

[hushed steeple]

Technicly no
They are "exotic" guifts, but that could just mean only found in far off places like Abyss or the new season location

And seing that they were the first seasin spirits we got, that could be the " comeing to sky",

Exotic in terms of culture typically means foreign.

[hushed steeple]

Also technically no. The first ever season was rhythm introduced in the beta.

Oh yeah🤔
Keep forgeting that they used those spirits in the trile version of the seasons before thay officially made it a thing

Also, as far as we’ve seen gratitude doesn’t fit any realm perfectly in terms of style.

Honestly there steong animal theaming does bear some similateries to the isle spirits ( the reatham spirits are birds, so it doesnt count in the general animal theme)

But I see your point ☺️

Right, but at the same time they’re somewhat stylized like valley masks.
Valley masks have a circle around the eyes with a line going through it at the half way point where the corners of human eyes would be.

True

The problem with that is valley is specifically bird themed.

They probably started as a far off coloney of Isle ( kinda like how the wind paths were first established by Priery spirits) that become its own thing over time

I just remembered peeking postman.

Not conected to any kingdom, and even more seperate then Wind paths ( who were a major trade and transport crossroad in the old days)

What if they’re valley spirits.
Judging by peeking postman being a rabbit it could be that other animal masks were used as well. However, they may not have been as popular in valley. I suspect they could’ve been a part of the wealthy community. And exotic could have been referring to the fact that this was the first season in the live version.

That last part is what I ment by it being the "first season" before.

It is also pisible that they originate from multiple realms, forming a unique culture

Thinking back, they likely would have been part of the working class community since there appears to be a separation through color.

[hushed steeple]

Maybe.

[hushed steeple]

They seam to exteavagant for just working class spirits.

That fact that they always apear at the oltar dureing days of love makes me think they had more.....spiritual/ceremonial/guidence ocupations.....you know

Now that I think about it. Their masks have the exact same quality and similar style to valley masks. Pristine and seamless, almost like they’re ceramic or something. As well as being animal masks with the same sort of patterns as valley animal masks.

And Valleys is all about art and higher aspirations, so ceremony's would fin into that too🤔

They’re also musicians!

Yup

I think we might be on to something🤩

[tiny anvil]

Since the lore of sky symbolizes life, could it mean that the theme (?) of each land is something humanity is passionate about? Such as art and knowledge

[hushed steeple]

So kinda like how Priery spirits eatablished Wind paths, Valley spirits formed there own culture in far off lands

[hushed steeple]

That is the exact truth.
Each realm represents a different stage of life as well as cultural progress!

[tiny anvil]

That's cool! I don't know much about the lore but I just finished eye of eden and it left a deep impression on me

[hushed steeple]

I’m getting rid of the far off lands thing.

Well they could also be nomadic
A comunity rather then a location

[hushed steeple]

Possibly, though I think for Rhythm and Gratitude they’re just musicians and other artists trying to spread entertainment around the kingdom.

That makes sence

[tiny anvil]

At the start of the game we are given a bit of lore about how we should save the spirits(?) and whatnot. What is like. The deal with that ?

If at the end you are supposed to die either way right? Is it that each time you die a new child comes and saves this world?

[hushed steeple]

Rytham is more music/circuse/thratre themed

Gratitude is more spiritual and ceremonial, performing at wedings and such feal...

[hushed steeple]

Sky kids were sent down by The Light to guide the spirits trapped in the kingdom back to The Light.

[hushed steeple]

We don’t know how canon events are.(at least I don’t)

[tiny anvil]

What does the light symbolize?

[hushed steeple]

The Light is the creator of light creatures, sky kids, and ancestors.

[pastel brook]

Hey @hushed steeple, it looks like you shared a link to a private message, so it has been automatically removed.

[hushed steeple]

https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/mobilebasic
Ok, here it is now.
This is a doc to help you get started with the lore.

-Isle - Down/ Birth / nomadic life and begining of civilizaton

-Priery - Morning/ Childhood / early Agrerian civilization

-Forest - Noon / Teen years/ Growing industrialization

-Valley - Evening / Adoulthood/ Peak of civilization

-Waistland- Twilight/ Middle age /Fall of civilization

-Voult- Night / Old age/ post apocalips

Another cool thing is the elders are designed to represent how you see adults in those stages of life.

There's a lot more to this,but Im kinda in a rush now

This is the fondational symbolyzm of the 6 kingdoms

Ok, bye

#lore-discussion-spoilers message
This has a link to a Gnomon video that has a portion that goes more in depth about that.

[sharp lichen]

I mean, so do crabs as well. So your theory might hold some water

[sharp lichen]

Also, Eden is Midnight/Death/ End of Civilization

[hushed steeple]

And orbit is the dark before the down/ rebirth/ begining of new civilization

[sharp lichen]

Yes, each realm represents a progression threefold.

They represent the progression of the day, the progression of life, and the progression of society

[sharp lichen]

The spirits are dead. That’s why they’re called that. Their souls are trapped in the black shells you see when reliving a spirit, and you have to free them.

[sharp lichen]

The Light is an all-encompassing force which consists of all light in the world. It also exists as “Megabird” in Sky’s concept art.

We see it as a massive supercluster of light at the end credits, and in other places.

[gleaming crow]

Does anyone think the sky realms could be the same world but at different times? (as in more than just a symbol?) Because I remember seeing somewhere how broken temple (first area with 1 krill) looks like the inside of forest's temple (but broken). So then that means sky had different leaders at different times. So then homespace could be just a transitioning space between time periods and we can ✨️time travel✨️ (I'm grasping at straws here haha...)

So then we are less like a savior, but more of like a witness to the world's happenings and its history. My theory is that Eden is the last test (and an optional one, since our role was to bring the lost stars home, which I think we did prior to entering eden. It is a test to see if the kingdom of sky can be saved and prosper under a new leader, the skykid) but it is a test that all will fail because of our need to save all those who came before us.

[tiny anvil]

Free them into the light? Would the light be "the end"

[tiny anvil]

Could you elaborate on the last part?

[gleaming crow]

Haha... it's a bit cheezy and cliche.

My theory is that there have always been skykids, and as they age, they come spirits (hence runaway spirit looking small, like a skykid, in their song)

I was thinking that as skykids, our kindness is eventually our downfall. I headcanon that the winged light we collect is actually the light from all the original skykids that have died in Eden, so when we reach eden at last, all that light recognises their true selves and wants to rejoin their old bodies. And we being kind, can't refuse that offer. So we end up giving up everything. We are a part of them as much as they are a part of us, and so it is a trip doomed to fail because we can't be selfish enough to keep that light for ourselves.

(oh that's a long message, oops)

[earnest briar]

No, the broken temple just looks that way because in concept art, the Forest temple was a refinery for darkstone into power diamonds, so it would also be a refinery. Also, if the realms were all the same place but at different times, then how can the geography change so drastically each and every time? It takes centuries, even millennia for a place's geography to change so much.

I'm very confused on how you think something can go from a completely barren desert to a vibrant prairie full of life, then a constantly raining and flooded forest, to a frozen and icy mountain, then back to a barren, dead, and polluted wasteland. The geography and climate is so different across all the realms that it just doesn't make any sense for it to be the same place but at different times.

[gleaming crow]

ah yes the climate... didn't take that into account

[earnest briar]

For that to be feasible, the world of Sky would have to be much, much older than our own. And humans have only been around on Earth for a short time compared to the entire history of our planet. It's a cool theory though! I like the idea.

[gleaming crow]

I mainly based it off of the broken temple looking like forest's temple (and the fact that we only see light whales in forest and gw, so I thought the two could be the same place. And idk time travel seemed feasible haha)