lore-discussion-spoilers

[sterile orchid]

the unfortunate part about Sah and Mekh being my favorite blorbos is that it makes it easier for me to give them sad stories

[lusty merlin]

YES :33 🤝🤝 ME WITH SAHS EYE SCAR HC :33

[sterile orchid]

i think i saw that lurking in the art channels at some point what's the story behind it

[lusty merlin]

Sparring session gone wrong :)

THE HAUNTED TIMING HELPPP

[sterile orchid]

TAC SHOULD BE FEARED

"sparring session gone wrong :)"
gets haunted, implying that tac is more of a direct cause of what went wrong than just being the one to write the story

[lusty merlin]

I mean Sah did say Somthing to upset Mekh so Mekh lashed out sooooo :3

Me when I’m feared:

[sterile orchid]

why do i feel like the elders would actually be terrified of the people in lore chat if they actually existed

[lusty merlin]

Tsadi conserned why we have a gif of them roasting chicken on a Tuesday

[sterile orchid]

Sah reading my headcanon about why War and then getting increasingly horrified

[lusty merlin]

Haunted gone :(

[sterile orchid]

we could have all our questions answered if the elders were real but we would never be able to gainn their trust i think

[lusty merlin]

I would be embarrassed to talk to Sah because what would I say to them????

That just might be me caring about them a lot tho 💀

[sterile orchid]

oh yeah i would. literally cry myself into a puddle if i saw Sah in front of me. i would cease to exist immediately and never even get to say a simple hello

i want to know if their hair is as fluffy as it looks like it feels but i'm short as is i would never be able to reach.

[lusty merlin]

I forget but when sombody did a hypothetical hight chart wern’t both twins like 7ft 5??💀

[obsidian inlet]

So what is like the lore on Krill/dark dragons. Were they created? Have they always existed?

[sterile orchid]

i'm like. exactly 5 feet tall. every single sky charcacter outside of the sky kids themselves would tower over me and i would never be ready for it

[lusty merlin]

Just know they’re confirmed corrupted and that’s about it not anything of why or what they were before

[earnest briar]

I yearn to hear Grampa Dawn's stories 😔

[obsidian inlet]

Do we know if they were a corrupted light creature similar to manta? Or their own type of creature beforehand

[earnest briar]

I forgot the no ping again Sorry fluffy

[sterile orchid]

i legit had a small crisis over how small my sky kid was next to the aurora spirits and they're like, the shortest spirits in the game that aren't kids!! you could never expect me to say something if they were real!!!

[lusty merlin]

No context sadly, just know they’re corrupted and that’s pretty much all the info we get, personally I think they used to be a type of light creature we haven’t seen but that’s just what I think

[earnest briar]

yeah but Sky Kids are also really short even at max height

[frigid tinsel]

this old Vela doodle would explain why

[lusty merlin]

God I remember this

[sterile orchid]

please give me context.

[nimble ingot]

During Light Awaits development and concept art.

There is some evidence to suggest the 'light dragons' of Sky could have been at one point been the eel like creature we see in the Treasure Reef area from season of Abyss

[obsidian inlet]

That is super interesting, maybe they were unreal creatures like the crabs once were / still are! There are so many kinda neutral ground creatures we probably don't know

[lusty merlin]

Think we were calculating how fast Sah can move per second from catching our light in the cutscene cuz they were FAST

Also rememberd friction doesn’t apply to them they just slide

[sterile orchid]

EXUCSE ME?

[fickle wing]

sometimes i remember the whole thought abt teth trying to fill a hole in their heart with darkstone cause of that concept art of them w that chest hole but it doesn’t work cause it’s like trying to put a square block in a circle and then i explode

[sterile orchid]

tbh thinking too much about Teth makes me sad

[lusty merlin]

Favorite message from the entire thing

[lusty merlin]

Yeah :( hardened from the years of watching their realms be poisioned

The auto correct isint auto correcting today

[sterile orchid]

this is bringing my thoughts back around to that discussion on if they know anything of what's actually outside of their memory spaces.

[lusty merlin]

Personally I feel like they’re almost clueless, they know the diamond exploded and personally for me instantly died so they knew it happened

But didn’t know the entire kingdom was dragged with it until skykids showed up, since I like the idea of some of the kids regularly visiting them and opening up on what happened

[frigid tinsel]

if you believe they have an attachment to their realm – whether it be the "Elders are their realms" theory or that they are conscious of the going-ons of their realm to some degree – then perhaps they do have some awareness of what happens outside of their pocket dimensions. though given that those spaces are dark, I think they're secluded or cut off from that connection. they may maintain some awareness but it'd be like being unplugged or the radio channel they're tuned into gone fuzzy, maybe a few sounds clear through the static

[sterile orchid]

that's why i assign all my skids to a realm: so the elders are guaranteed to have someone to talk to in the story. I happen to have a lot that visit the valley elders but i'm trying to figure out ways to get more for the rest of them

[frigid tinsel]

I like to think that, with as many skykids that there'd be in-universe, each Elder at least has skykids who are fond of them, some more than others. those skids would prob talk to the Elders about things that are going on in their realms or the world at large. that and each Elder has a frequent flow of moths visiting them

and those skykids who have close bonds with their Elders would understand things those Elders are fond of or worried about, so the skykids would inform those Elders about that stuff or even bring things into the pocket dimensions for them

[sterile orchid]

my main group of sky kid ocs (aside from my protagonist moth) is one that acts as like, messengers for the elders so they can all ask how each other are doing, knowing everything that went wrong and that they're very likely to never meet up again.

[frigid tinsel]

I have a headcanon that Rain Elder will show skykids woodworking or blacksmithing if the skids bring materials. also, skykids might bring in small light creatures, say jellyfish for Rain or butterflies for Dusk

[sterile orchid]

sky kids bringing in the various toy props to play with the valley elders and anything related to history they can find for vault

Lamed reading stories to the little moths if they bring them a book

[frigid tinsel]

Regrettable Alasdair? I get haunted a second time and I'm demeaned? /lh

[sterile orchid]

i love these silly little headcanons in contrast to the heavy stuff, makes it a lot easier to deal with al of it

[earnest briar]

Consider however, the fact that the Elders can appear in Orbit once we complete their realm's constellation. I believe that because there are so many Sky Kids entering their pocket dimensions and sharing light with the Elders that the Elders are able to reestablish a connection to Orbit and are able to reunite with each other there and catch up. Like for example, everyone thanking Dawn for being the one to start moths on their journey and show them the path forward. Or Sunset apologizing to Dusk for not doing enough to stop their realm's destruction and the subsequent war.

[sterile orchid]

that is true,, and the spirits come down from Orbit and aren't stuck in any pocket dimensions so there's still a chance they could as well.

i just imagine that they wouldn't really think about that at first, but as they continue to be summoned by the group, they realize they can just go to Orbit any time they want so the little messengers eventually turn into just. any relevant news, i guess?

the whole story is still in a big WIP stage since a handful of the characters don't even have names yet so i'll figure out what their exact relationship is with each of them as it goes on

[native galleon]

So I started doing a bad thing- @lusty merlin

[sterile orchid]

"how you managed to become so powerful is beyond me"
There's two of them, that's how.

[keen shore]

they are very smart but also very silly when necessary

[sterile orchid]

They share only a couple brain cells and only use all of them sometimes

[keen shore]

I am dangerously close to launching into full defense mode be warned

[sterile orchid]

You've been haunted.

[keen shore]

This is like the third time today 💔💔💔💔

[quick jasper]

the valley elders are silly but not stupid. i can't see a pair of idiots running such a successful place like valley

[sterile orchid]

I'm also really sorry if I keep saying things that are bad I can't tell how much of this is joking

[keen shore]

DUDE it’s fine! I was half joking and should have used a tone tag; (/lh) would have been the correct one! It’s just a character interpretation hill I will die on /lh

[sterile orchid]

I call characters that I like "stupid" endearingly with my other friends All the time it's a habit

[quick jasper]

i talk ONCE in days and i get haunted. help me

[untold notch]

I simply must know, what do you think are the elders opinions on banana bread

[quick jasper]

I've never had banana bread idk

[untold notch]

it's a good experience I recommend

[keen shore]

i hate abanan bread. do not listen to the propaganda

[sterile orchid]

I like banaba but have never had banan bread

[quick jasper]

i like bananas and bread. maybe I'll try it some day

[untold notch]

I'm pretty sure it's more banana than bread but either way it is tasty

[sterile orchid]

My autocorrect changed those typos of banana but I went back and put them back in and now I can't stop laughing at it
why am I like this

[quick jasper]

banaba reminds me of materwelon

[fickle snow]

... we went from how the twins rule valley being ... well.. them... to ** b a n a n a b r e a d** preety quickly.... lol

[compact shale]

Isle: It's soft. I'll... I'll eat it.
Prairie: Yay, no food waste~!
Forest: meh. (inner Forest: absolutely enchanted by banana bread)
Valley (both of them): THIS WOULD BE A LOT BETTER WITH MUSTARD
Wasteland: Oh... it's... it's expiring so quickly...
Vault: (eats banana bread in silence as Valley twins run to get the mustard)

[quick jasper]

that's just an average day in lore chat

[untold notch]

mustard....

[sterile orchid]

MUSTWRD??

[fickle snow]

imma do his. i got to do thoi

what do you think are the toughs of elders on mustard? dies

AnD nOw I aM hAUNTEWs

[quick jasper]

the valley elders have enough crimes i don't think they need the food ones under their belt too

[compact shale]

they never have enough crimes
give them A L L the crimes

[native galleon]

yeah they’re meant to be silly and a bit immature! but not actually dumb anyway i have no idea if i’m going to go further w this i just had an Urge

[subtle cedar]

Yo could I have some help?
Im trying to tie lore to my character

[untold notch]

you're gonna have to elaborate somewhat

[round parrot]

It really depends on what you want your OC to do

[subtle cedar]

Essentially i need a backstory

[untold notch]

ok what's your characters deal

[subtle cedar]

Character name: Marlow

Trait: can adapt to the environment around him when in danger and change into any of the 4 elements accordingly. When not in danger he will stay in his calm form and shrink in size.

I was thinking like the trials maybe? Threy contain the 4 elements

[round parrot]

soup? (i don't have the infographic)

[lusty merlin]

RUNS AROUND AND SHAKES YOU

THEY'RE GONNA PLAY MONOPOLY!!!

[frigid tinsel]

here's the infographic

[sweet cove]

i just figured out that when you kind of just look/hover(?) at the portals to the diffrent areas, you can see diffrent items that go along with the elder, ex: the hidden forest has a hammer type of thing and an anvil shape that appears in the cutscene with the elder. im pretty sure this was already figured out but i thought it was cool

[frigid tinsel]

yea, those are their constellations

[tepid veldt]

oh my god they’re going to play monopoly

[halcyon hull]

I need to read this

[subtle cedar]

Idk but someone can you dm me a short paragraph backstory i need some help

[sweet cove]

i love this 😭
please share more if you have the time

[rustic glen]

I have some questions regarding the lightblur infographic. Why are Tearful Miner and Laidback Pioneer used as examples for the soup and salad type respectively? I think I understand the other two types but the first two escape my comprehension acbjdbshjcd could someone explain? thx

[tepid veldt]

salem probably has a paragraph explaining the whole tearful light miner is soup but basically xe thinks they could be souped with the other people in their memory + whale whisperer question mark

[rustic glen]

That sounds very interesting! Do you know anything about Pioneer being an example for the salad type?

sorry for the ping

[tepid veldt]

you’re ok with the ping. unfortunately i don’t know anything about the pioneersalad

[south saddle]

'xe thinks they could be souped' is a wild sentence without context (and also with context)

[serene light]

The whole lightblur concept is wild out of context

[hushed steeple]

Has anyone have thoughts on the theory of the "Spectum of Light Organisms"? I would like hear some of yours and express my theory.

[south saddle]

go off, I wanna hear what you have to say on it

[south saddle]

im thinking way too hard about this soup thing. but do you think skykids could have their light messed with like this? do you think there is some random pair of sandwich skykid twins or something out there (not directed at alasdair btw, just kind of throwing this into the void)

someone’s gotta liked the valley twins so much they made sandwich ocs…. that just seems like a thing someone would do

[tepid veldt]

if im reading this correctly that’s like, the bulk of lorechat ocs

[south saddle]

yeah fair enough.. might just go and make my own honestly

[tepid veldt]

go for it! it’s fun to figure out what stuff is wrong with your ocs and which ones need therapy and all that (hint: they all need therapy)

[south saddle]

i adapt one specific set of ocs into every fandom I go into to make what amounts to 17 different versions of one character so….. actually I have some in mind already that I can sacrifice

(also you are correct the more I think about an oc the more they end up needing therapy because of the convoluted nonsense I throw them headfirst into just to satisfy my hurt-comfort cravings)

[hushed steeple]

Weird, it won't let me send it.

[tepid veldt]

might’ve hit the filter, try again

[hushed steeple]

My theory is the light (wax) is Light, as we know. A theory I made about the "Light Attraction Dynamic" a few weeks earlier. If you want to hear about it, I can talk about aswell, including a diagram. An example I can give is the Manta. It has four orange points at the wings, head and tail. I think the orange colour is positive charged and the white is the opposite. That is how a Manta is created and the shape is formed.

[south saddle]

hmm… thats interesting, can you clarify on what you mean by ‘how the shape is formed’??

anyways.. um… guys the ts is narcissist i swear- i can prove it- you just have to adjust the shape a bit and squint and- (in denial)

i refuse to believe that ‘perfectionist’ doesnt refer to narcissist… or stagehand… or literally anyone that isnt this goofy looking guy

[hushed steeple]

As the Manta has a lot of Light that is opposite to positive. The charges repel each other from + and -. From this force, it makes the Manta wings long and stretched because of the repel on the charge in the orange, positive, and white, n e g a t i v e.

[south saddle]

oooo 👀 thinking about how other forces would affect manta now.. do you think manta fly so smoothly like they’re floating because of some magnetic repulsion type thing from the negative and positive charges, then? hmm…

[untold notch]

more than one spirit can be like that, hell I thought it would be lamplighter from that hint

[south saddle]

first hints are so vague eueueueue i was excited for possibly a pants spirit but I probably wont buy any of the ts cosmetics lol

[sterile orchid]

Me literally working on a set of sky kid twins that function just about the same as the valley elders:

[south saddle]

i have predicted the future- and the past technically-

[native galleon]

they're gonna do it!!

[native galleon]

Sandwich is one light shared across multiple bodies? 👀

just saw the caption. lol

[fickle snow]

… iam not hunted anymore! Yey

[mossy copper]

Can someone explain to me what spirits are

[cold sparrow]

simply put: dead people

[haughty wraith]

ded lol

[mossy copper]

yeah but r they dead sky kids? Or are they another creature?

[cold sparrow]

they're deceased ancestors! ancestors and skykids are related, but different

[haughty wraith]

ancestors (from what I assume) can't fly like us

[mossy copper]

So are they also born from the sky or

[cold sparrow]

they might have been but we don't know
we see some younger and some older ancestors, so there must be some sort of growth and aging process, but we haven't seen much of how they're 'born'
but I think one of the Isle murals tells the story of how 'everyone is given life by starlight' or something like that?

[mossy copper]

Oooh! Wait where are these murals?

[haughty wraith]

the white candles in the cave at the beginning as well as in the middle of the realm

[cold sparrow]

In the cave you pass through at the beginning of the Isle of Dawn

[mossy copper]

Okay thanks guys this is helpful!!

[haughty wraith]

tbh, it would be pretty cool if thats how light works in general

or at least the creatures and plants and the way we lock onto them like a magnet

[native galleon]

Skykids are magnets

[serene light]

I read that as nuggets and not magnets and I'm not sorry

[halcyon hull]

And we're gonna see it aren't we?

[native galleon]

whenever i finish it sure

[halcyon hull]

May I ask where to read this? here or somewhere else?

sorry if i digress

[sharp lichen]

Spirits are the ghostly versions of Ancestors, a past civilization that existed centuries ago. They were born from the stars like us, but they’re still different.

[native galleon]

it's not ready yet and idk where i'm gonna put it lol

[halcyon hull]

Tell me later please I need this

[sterile orchid]

also this. taking this TS, that i want nothing from, as a sign given to me by the game to save everything i can for that next special visit they said would "join us next season".

the theme that won the poll (Twilight Gloaming) is so TLP vibes and i'm holding out hope that narc is there since there's 6 spirits to choose from

[raw crypt]

if its tlp ill explode into shrapnel

[uncut pond]

sorry I'm very out of the loop but
a poll with themes?? a special visit??? what did I miss

[sterile orchid]

the special visit was a group of Assembly kids that all came as one group, here's the poll in question
https://twitter.com/thatskygame/status/1634011356184862721
((i forgot to turn off the ping omg))

there was only 4 of the 6 assembly spirits in the visit so i assume there's going to be a max of 4 spirits in each of these

[cunning umbra]

hey lore chat what's the elders' names?

[sharp lichen]

The Elders have names based off Hebrew letters from concept development that are no longer canon, though the fandom sometimes refers to them as such: 

Isle – Daleth (ד) 

Prairie – Ayin (ע) 

Forest – Teth (ט) 

Valley – Samekh (ס) (They share a name. Though fandom often calls one ‘Sah’ and the other ‘Mekh’ to differentiate) 

Wasteland – Tsadi (צ) 

Vault – Lamed (ל)

It seems the devs refer to the Elders by the times of day their realms represent:

Isle – Dawn 

Prairie – Day or Daylight 

Forest – Rain 

Valley – Sunset 

Wasteland – Dusk

Vault – Night

[cunning umbra]

which valley elder is usually called Sah and which one is Mekh?

[sharp lichen]

Usually, is Sah and is Mekh, but it’s nowhere near confirmed

[frigid tinsel]

Fandom terms so yea not confirmed, just the consensus

[cunning umbra]

lol thanks i wanted to know because i'm writing reaction lines for a bot in another sky server i'm in and i wanted to include the fanon names for them

[sterile orchid]

you can mix it up if you want to, but expect to cause confusion in the chat

[fallen root]

👻 Hi Lorechat

👻 Do you think VoT twins, if they were ever in the modern times, would they burn the kitchen down if they tried to cook something

[manic shale]

Yes

[nimble ingot]

That was how they discovered salt and pepper apple slices. XD

[sterile orchid]

they burned down the whole kitchen to just put some spices on an apple?

[nimble ingot]

That, and make cucumber sandwiches.

[sterile orchid]

i imagine they were explained that a stove/oven "is used to make food" and got a bit confused

[earnest briar]

Sunset: Instructions clear, burn down the kitchen to cook one (1) piece of banana bread.

They intentionally misunderstood what they were told to cause chaos for the funni

[lusty merlin]

To me would be able to follow a simple recipe, can only do super basic ones because if not then they’d accidently put a whole cup of salt than sugar

But I can see them being able to manage, just to me culinary isn’t what they’re too interested in

[tepid veldt]

what coffee do you think each of the elders like

[lusty merlin]

-cracks knuckles-

[tepid veldt]

ill be waiting

[sterile orchid]

Sah can probably be told to boil water and then put pasta in it, or other simple stuff like that basically?

[lusty merlin]

Yeah pretty much, if you tell them to fold the batter for example they’d just be “how do I fold liquid?”

[sterile orchid]

sounds like Mekh has to help them make any food that requires more than a microwave

[nimble ingot]

The twins be baking cookies. Got impatient and thought to try the 4000 degrees to bake in 5 minutes instead of 350 degree for 12 minutes.

[sterile orchid]

i forget everything of what was actually said in that audio but i can't find it again please help

[tepid veldt]

(stealing from the random quote generator-)

: We can bake these cookies at 400 degrees for 10 minutes or 4,000 degrees for 1 minute.
: No, that's not how you make cookies.
: FLOOR IT!!
: How about 4,000,000 degrees for 1 second?!?
: yOU'RE GONNA BURN THE HOUSE DOWN-
: I'M GONNA HARNESS THE POWER OF THE HONKING SUN TO MAKE COOKIES!
: DO IT!
:NO-

[lusty merlin]

Daleth: I can see theirs being light, not too heavy or sweet but more savoury

Ayin: Warm, definitely a lot of foam, type of drink to make tou sleepy

Teth: Black coffee, the abyss, the void, not an ounce of sugar or cream

Sah: Coldbrew, really loves it sweet, can’t stand anything bitter, loves whip cream ontop

Mekh: likes a good amount of creamer, but still a little bitter

Tsadi: likes it strong, little sweet but still pretty dark

Lamed: would go for a nice warm latte

[sterile orchid]

YEAH THAT ONE I REMEMBER THERE BEING SOMEONE WHO NARRATED IT

[tepid veldt]

thaaaaannks tac 🤍

[nimble ingot]

Hm?
Do you mean where the 4000 degree baking reference came from?

(also, sorry for the ping I just realised )

[sterile orchid]

yeah, i forgot how the conversation went so i couldn't get a good mental image of it 💔

[nimble ingot]

ah ok. Let me rephrase it (iydll though has the energy spot on XD )
(changing the numbers because iydll said it better)

Sah: Let's bake some cookies
Mekh: But it takes too long, can't we speed it up?
Sah: Hmm... The box says 'Bake at 400 degrees for 10 minutes"
Mekh: Make it 4000 degrees for 1 min!" >:)

[sterile orchid]

messing around with "incorrect quotes generator" and i got

Mekh: Can you please be serious for five minutes?
Sah: My record is four, but I think I can do it.

[tepid veldt]

god incorrect quote generator is hilarious, definitely recommend checking it out if you have free time totally dont have a really long google doc dedicated to it

[sterile orchid]

oh hey here's one that's very relevant to this conversation!

Mekh: So what’s for dinner?
Sah, staring at the food they just burnt: Regret.

[lusty merlin]

It’s the thought that counts

[nimble ingot]

Am not regretting taking iydll's suggestion one bit XD

Moth: What do you call a dictionary on drugs?
Daleth : If you say "addict-ionary" I swear I will cut you.
Moth: I was actually going to say "high definition", but your answer's much better.
Daleth : ...

[frigid tinsel]

Sunset prob makes good grilled cheese

[earnest briar]

If by good grilled cheese you mean cram every cheese in existence onto several slices of bread to create a tower then yes.

[half shadow]

: whatcha got there

, holding a manta and a straw: a smoothie

[nimble ingot]

🔨

[sharp lichen]

Of course the elders of the coldest realm would like cold brew

[half shadow]

based honestly

[untold notch]

they don't need more caffeine

[half shadow]

athletes get hot quickly even in the cold as well! source: was a figure skater for about six years and always wore athletic shorts and tank tops

[untold notch]

it's all that blood moving or somesuch

[floral skiff]

Gorth

[sterile orchid]

what

[brisk python]

mm soupy

[native galleon]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

presented without context

[sterile orchid]

omg i just got that joke

[half shadow]

oh i do like this theory! i was just going off the idea of being more visually based on darkstone in the shape of their hair, thus potentially being more likely to drink a manta

[sterile orchid]

drinking a manta is the most horrifying thought ever and i hate that it's so funny

[native galleon]

It’s so absurd you almost forget how messed up it is

(that particular manta is fine btw, there are ways to harvest light but poking them with a straw and trying to drink it is not one of them)

[fickle snow]

why now i imagine that would bat since their hair is more manta.like so they might be pro-light

[native galleon]

nah they’re both equally guilty involved imo, but they probably would use it as an excuse to hit them just for fun

[fickle snow]

ye yruee... btw hhow do you do the thing of guilty (the thing so that it has like a line)

[earnest briar]

Plot twist, it’s ‘s favorite Manta plushie and stole it from them so they want it back.

[lusty merlin]

I mean both are elders of The Valley, not just one or the other. They’d maybe have their own opinions on things, but in the end they work together and are involved together of what happens, what policies to place, and where to get resources from. Even when said on knowledge how you get those resources is brushed aside to ignore

So both would ultimately feel the guilt/and or be involved to an extent

[half shadow]

i was thinking of you and your valley elder takes tac when i wrote the meme

[untold notch]

ah tac is becoming the valley elder person to more people

[native galleon]

im sorry every conversation i touch turns into discussions of various elder crimes hhhh

[half shadow]

we need to talk about their crimes more i think it’s a good time

[untold notch]

this is a good thing

[lusty merlin]

I have attuned

[native galleon]

yesterday i took it from monopoly to being quietly complicit in the war at the expense of their own realm, now today i do this in response to a joke about a smoothie why am i like this

[untold notch]

I think you're doing great, nothing to beat yourself up over

[lusty merlin]

No its okay i really enjoy talking about the elders charaters that way, how they deal stuff like that :3 like how each of them tried to find their own solutions when in the war

[earnest briar]

The worst crime the Valley Elders ever committed was pranking an Ancestor child who showed up to watch one of their shows. (They just wanted to watch the cool magic performance.) and the twins immediately felt guilty about it and took the child to meet the twins’s favorite Manta as an apology.

[sterile orchid]

i take every single conversation we could possibly have and immediately think of the valley elders and throw them into it every time so i don't think slowly dragging everything into violence is that bad

[lusty merlin]

I blame Salem for the spike in using the :3 emoticon, it’s like a poison I have long accepted

[untold notch]

I need you to understand how much fun it is to talk about the silly things

[native galleon]

my problem is that I love serious heavy drama equally as much as goofy petty drama and i cannot separate them

[lusty merlin]

Yaya we can be sillay AND serious

If we discuss monopoly, cool! If we talk about how each elder delt with the war, also cool!

[earnest briar]

have both. It’s serious to the people having the drama but to everyone else it seems goofy and petty.

[native galleon]

both is good yes 😌 my favorite thing in stories is people just being people, even if they’re not people and they’re more like dead space demigods

[sterile orchid]

i love the fact that we can make a joke and somehow relate it back to actual, sad and depressing, canon lore in this chat so it's definitely not a bad thing

[minor edge]

Does anyone know what the NPC in the blue cape (in Office) says if you don't actually have the cape yet? I was distracted by something and didn't read it before buying lol 😛 I think he said like Weee or look at me or something.

[sterile orchid]

basically just flaunts it and taunts you for not having it i forget the exact wording (and the office is not open for bloom so i can't check)

[half shadow]

i get a weird feeling that isle elder was somehow the closest with young king. not sure if anyone else gets the vibe

[untold notch]

no I get it

[lusty merlin]

I know it’s a popular fannon idea alot like, unsure if it wad going to be the case in the VERY early story before it got scrapped yet I’m fuzzy on that one. But I can see that too!

[sharp lichen]

I could see that, especially since it's likely the Isle Elder distanced themselves from the other elders

[untold notch]

it is thought that they fell in isle and stuff

[half shadow]

yeah yeah. i think we can see in the prophecy mural them traveling on a boat together too, which i mean makes sense logically seeing as how that’s just what isle is for, but i always got that sort of vibe. i think the isle elder is the most interesting to me, personally, because it feels like we don’t really have as good a grasp on their personality as the others

which may be due to isle being the tutorial level and thus intentionally bland design wise of course

[sharp lichen]

i hate this, isle should deserve more love

the thing is, the presence of the bookie cave, prophecy, and seasonal spirits in Isle make me think it's more than just a tutorial level

[half shadow]

oh yeah of course, but i do think it’s intentionally made very simple appearing for first time players

[untold notch]

it's where the tutorial happens idk what to tell you

[sterile orchid]

also worth noting that everything you find in Isle besides the tutorial stuff is very out of the way and not going to be noticed, or even accessible, on your first run through the area

[untold notch]

it is by definition a tutorial level

[half shadow]

yeah iirc that’s officially why we don’t have quests or candles in the region too

[sharp lichen]

Let's dive into #gameplay-discussion spoilers and ask: Does the tutorial level have to be aesthetically complex?

In today's world with so few graphical restrictions, you can design your first level to be anything you want. First levels in most games, while mechanically useful, still have some stuff to work on.

Isle works in this regard: it establishes a story and teaches the player spirits, candles, spirit gates, winged light, and flying.

One thing to point out: Just because Isle is a tutorial level doesn't mean it has to be devoid of anything.

[untold notch]

I'd imagine it would be rather hard to tutor if there was nothing to tutor with

[sharp lichen]

I really think Wasteland does Isle's aesthetics better than Isle, in a way. It's not that I hate Isle- I love it! But it should've had more things that are out of the way, but still accessible to new players

[half shadow]

i cant tell if you’re disagreeing or agreeing with what i said. but i’ll say that i don’t agree that isle is devoid of anything in particular, i think it serves its purpose very well as the first area you learn to fly in, the placement of the first spirits and murals you naturally get to see because you don’t have enough wings to just fly past them, and the little floating island hidden in the clouds feels like a fun secret. we are on the same page about this i’m pretty sure, i originally just meant to relate the relative “”bland”” environment to the idea of its elder not being super well known about imo

i’m a simple man and isle works for me because i love to slide on sand so it gets 11/10

[sharp lichen]

I think that Isle does stuff well as a tutorial, but I want it to be more than that.

[half shadow]

yeah that’s valid i don’t disagree

i think it makes the transition to prarie right after a lot stronger for it though. honestly i love all the transitions between the realms, my favorite is valley to gw

[sterile orchid]

i was so confused on what the "island in the clouds" was but then i remembered boogie cave

[sharp lichen]

It makes me think on whether locking everything behind a spirit gate- even areas that still take you through the main story- is a blessing or a curse.

On one hand, it allows the devs to fine-tune the journey, since they know exactly where to go. On the other hand, new players will be frustrated by the amount of backtracking they will need to do

[half shadow]

yeah i don’t remember being super frustrated by them myself, just curious and eager to collect more spirits so i could go see what was over there, but i’m sure it’s not everybody’s favorite

egads i’ve been haunted on this night

[sharp lichen]

Christ, I don't remember what I thought as a moth. How long has it been?

The only things I really remember was repeatedly dying to the krill, constantly being stuck in the Prairie social area, and miserably failing in Eden

[half shadow]

i vividly remember my first time in eden because of how awesome it was. me and this other moth had bonded in vault and went to eden together where a veteran player found us and decided to help us out the entire way through, and then during the ascent into orbit sequence there’s this platform you can stand on if you hit it and stop flying, and the veteran waited for us there so we could all fly through the whole thing together. it was awesome and inspired me to lead a three-moth team through Eden similarly

[sharp lichen]

I've been really interested on how Sky is for new players. I've been trying to watch streams of moths and stuff to see how they act

[keen shore]

People tend to ignore Dawn a lot and it makes me extremely sad. We do have some spirit parallel theories that we can guess their personality with, as well as their cutscene obviously, if you want me to yell about them :3

[sterile orchid]

would love to have you yell about them salem

[keen shore]

OK SO

[sharp lichen]

its been 5 minutes

[keen shore]

I can get into the specific reasons why I think this but just listing off their theorized personality for now. I think they are very stubborn and can unintentionally come off as controlling or rigid; however, they do it out of wanting to protect either other people or what they’re hurting (think for example being stubborn about the darkstone industry because they want to protect mantas). Basically, the care deeply for others and this manifests into wanting to protect them, which unfortunately can result in unintentionally coming off as controlling.

⬆️ THIS seems to be how Dawn is percieved by others. Which is really interesting, because in their cutscene they look to us to make sure we want to be guided to Eden and accept that decision, even when they would know it’s extremely dangerous for us. This means that either they trust us enough to not be overprotective in that regard, they see no way around it, or there’s some other reason I don’t know off the top of my head.

This is entirely headcanon, but I know a lot of people headcanon they’re the oldest elder, which makes a lot of sense with this personality too I think

[hazy vine]

What’s the next season called?

[untold notch]

we don't know that!

[hazy vine]

Damn I thought there was a trailer or sumthin

[frigid tinsel]

Nope

[tawdry copper]

If you wanna see what the next season is about and what it looks like, you can take a gander at the Beta channels, just know that you can't share anything about it outside those channels

[hazy vine]

The season of abyss sounds like it could be a thing

[half shadow]

YES THIS IS WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT!!!!!!

i basically agree with you on this 100%. and what with the theory about the tlp spirits mirroring the elders in a way equating the beckoning ruler to Isle elder further reinforces this imo if you believe that

[obsidian inlet]

The ancestors use to wear masks, as did the elders. And underneath said masks they ancestors are shown to have small bluish grey diamond shaped eyes. I'm assuming the masks were perhaps a thing of cultural importance due to their prevalence and almost refusal to take them off my the ancestors in their memories

What I'm wondering is they are never really depicted with mouths. Did they eat as we do? Or did they sustain themselves off of light?

[keen shore]

YES THEY ARE PARTIALLY WHAT I BASED THIS OFF OF

• rejecting voyager who seems to be protecting the sacred mountain from getting mined

[frigid tinsel]

Sometimes when the mouth question comes up, I’m reminded of this exchange back in January 2022

[obsidian inlet]

I guess this means don't take the art style too 100% literally

[frigid tinsel]

I literally have dont ping in my name, cmon

[obsidian inlet]

Oh I'm sorry, I didn't really read, I was a bit distracted. I'm sorry

[frigid tinsel]

It’s not a big deal, my nervous system is in fire rn and I’m irritable

[obsidian inlet]

I am curious though if the choice not to give the spirits a mouth was an artistic choice or a literal one

[untold notch]

I'd imagine artistic, but it's hard to say for sure

[fallen root]

👻 Hi Lorechat

👻 How do you think the VoT twins would annoy the living crap out of the other elders?

[keen shore]

Easy. Stabbing them

[obsidian inlet]

In all honesty, probably simply by delighting in the pleasures of entertainment instead of servicing the community

[untold notch]

carpeted kitchen

[half shadow]

probably artistic. it’s kind of a staple of their games almost, what with journey and abzu (even tho not technically tgc)

i need art of a skykid drinking a milkshake with two tiny straws in their mask’s eye holes

[sterile orchid]

i didn't have time to actually read this after asking you to yell ab it, as i was in a call at the time

my first thought is parallels to the elders and how Dawn would absolutely be seen as "strict and controlling" for giving advice that wasn't asked for, to make sure that younger folks don't make the mistakes they've seen older people do.

For instance, i feel like if they know someone who got horribly injured by doing something, Dawn would tell someone else who was thinking of the same or a similar thing to not even think of trying, to prevent history from repeating itself. because they would have definitely been alive for long enough to see it happening in real time and try to help prevent it in any way they can.

Eventually, through the stories of them fading into only the very basics as they usually do in real life, Dawn directing birds through the realms, as well as being stubborn and protecting, was dulled down to being someone who would tell statues not to move and yell at birds that don't understand them, for seemingly no reason

The line from beckoning ruler, "I am entitled to command their obedience! My orders are reasonable." almost feels like something that Dawn would say, if the wording and view of them was changed enough. Like it started as something like "You look to me for advice, and that's what I'm giving you" and was eventually taken in an entirely different direction

[keen shore]

YEAH YOU GET ME

I really like the connection you made here about the tlp spirits possibly being based off elders not in an intentional caricature way made by someone in the universe, but as projections created from the main thing people remembered of each elder

[untold notch]

and then you can have them be gay do crime

[round parrot]

Apple slices with pepper

[round parrot]

Kinda wanna add onto this.

In the Little Prince book, the king has this quote: "(If you are unable to judge anyone else), judge yourself. For that is the hardest challenge. It is easier to judge someone else than one's self."
or smth along those lines, idr
edit: it was one of my favorite quotes in the book

[sterile orchid]

i feel like there's no way they could be intentionally made to look like bad people by the ancestors it is, more likely than not, like that from a few generations of ancestors who moved throughout the realms, had kids, then retold their stories of the elders they looked up to, but eventually too many parts of them were left out and no one who knew the original stories was still there to double-check accuracy so they faded

[round parrot]

basically simplification to the point it doesn't make sense anymore? interesting

[sterile orchid]

i can imagine some grandparent trying to retell the story of how they once saw Dawn helping a few confused birds through a migration, but they either didn't know or remember specifics, so it was simply taken in as "they did something to direct the birds"/"they told the birds to do something" and never mentioned that Dawn has a connection to birds

[round parrot]

hmm... the "connection to the birds" is somewhat present in those lines. It is just VERY vague and will definitely not be caught at first hearing

[halcyon hull]

IT'S That one vocaloid A BIRD

[sterile orchid]

to be honest Sah's hairstyle does not look like it could be a bird

i agree with fish and salem, it looks more like it could be darkstone at least the raw material

[south saddle]

wait gimme a minute im gonna draw this

[south saddle]

here’s your biblically accurate skykid

[sterile orchid]

THIS IS SO GOOD

[south saddle]

heheheheh

[sterile orchid]

YOUR ART IS SO CUTE OMG

[south saddle]

lol thanks

i- wasnt expecting a compliment so im too surprised to say much-

[sterile orchid]

that's understandable
oh boy i've been haunted again. very close to or over 10 times so far, i lost count

[south saddle]

wow I think they like haunting me since my server name is short cause ive been haunted 4 times and I barely say anything heh

[halcyon hull]

Eh

[sterile orchid]

i
maybe??
it doesn't feel right to me though,, i mean like
neither option really works but it's headcanons

[tepid veldt]

tempted to photoshop a bird on top of sah’s head

[round parrot]

Do it.

[uncut pond]

You might be onto something actually

[sharp lichen]

Mostly artistic, I guess, because Aurora and The Little Prince are in Sky with no mouths

[native galleon]

wasn’t someone asking what krills used to look like? bc i finally watched the animation project trailer last night and i think we might have our answer

as much as i love my toxic sludge creature hc and will not let go of it until i get more proof, i mean, look at that thing

[halcyon hull]

Yes, I am very annoying and pushy
Where's monopoly

[untold notch]

hell

[nimble ingot]

That is the running theory on what uncorrupted krill could be.
Sadly no canon, or confirmed, look of uncorrupted dragons.

[static zephyr]

TGC please answer this

[nimble ingot]

For what it is worth, there is another small theory I got cooking about krill.

It is possible that it may be outdated, since it relies on concept art for Light Awaits (the old name for the game, during its beta release for ios).

In various concept art of the levels, there have been subtle hints of a massive creature seemingly following the skykid's journey through the realms. In old layout drawings for day, it has been implied that dark dragons could have attacked Day village at some point. And in Eden's level layout concept sequence, there is a sneaky image of several of the supposed dark dragons.

Now take note, that these concepts have been done back when the game's lore is under development, and some things may change, or remain. There is seemingly no real means to verify this, other than taking note of the evidence, and finding more viable proof in the current game.

What I noticed were the massive creature was eel like, with detached fins floating with the body (which is unique to this creature as no other creature in sky have floating limbs as their trait), with a flayed tail and stone like face.
It is somewhat similar to the whale with the colouration and size, however the body shape is much longer and slender.

The proof lies in TomZhao's concept art, as well as in very few online videos that managed to capture the creature in the game (that I know of).
Notably, the once was a time in Dawn's development where the creature was in in the cloudy section behind the temple. Back when it was a tunnel and the sky kid either flown through there, or rode a boat (this was when the Dawn elder's cutscene used to be of the elder powering up 4 boats for skykids to reach the next area and gain their flying ability).
The creature would make a brief appearance there, doing a barrel roll in the air and then disappearing in the clouds once more.
Interestingly, the creature was replaced by a sky whale, and then removed after another update,

The animation and whale model still exists, in the forest cave. With the same barrel roll animation.

To those hoping to see this old model of the creature, rest assured, the devs miraculously have added in a smaller version of the same model in the game today.

Simply head over to the Treasure Reef, dive under the water and seek out the strange creature that leaves a trail of blue bubbles in its wake.

Frankly, I strongly believe the creature was added in as a homage, or hidden reference, to this ancient and strange creature.
To get a sense of how big it once was, one can roughly estimate it to be as large as the massive corrupted dark creature in the abyss below (or trapped under the tower for those who have not completed the quests for Season of Abyss).

[nimble ingot]

Was there a message here a second ago?

[keen shore]

Yeas it got deleted by the filter

[nimble ingot]

ah darn....

I saw krill and that they got replaced.

I agree with that statement as the whale has taken the role of a massive creature seemingly following the skykids.
As we see one in the forest, then in sunset (on the way to wasteland), and on the way to Orbit in Eden.

[static zephyr]

The whale: proceed to smash through a building I HAS BEEN SUMMONED

[sterile orchid]

i love the whales so much they're so cool. terrifying because of how big they are but they're called whales for a reason

[keen shore]

Finally have the motivation to retype my message so what I wanted to say was;

I like to think krill are either

1. whales — partially makes sense due to size but the main reason I like it is for its symbolism with Wasteland
2. a species of their own that got disproportionately corrupted by pollution in the food chain. This makes sense and could happen irl if they were the apex non-prey (I don’t think I can say the word I mean here due to censor unfortunately) in their ecosystem

[wild pasture]

I headcanon that krill used to be the eel thing in Vault. We don't see any "living" variant of it out in the world, and cosmic animals only show up in Vault. It's possible they were all corrupted, and are thus effectively extinct.

The main reason I headcanon this is because the length of the creature, its lack of presence outside the Vault, and the many, many appendages (wings/legs) they both have.

[native galleon]

if it isn’t the thing from the trailer then this is my theory #lore-discussion-spoilers message

based on that one old concept art thing about darkness waste being left over from the “refinement” process and uhh. my fundamental need to make things weird

[wild pasture]

So... Krill are Sky versions of Grimer and Muk. Sludge that has come to life. I kinda like that idea.

[sharp lichen]

I still believe in the trailer thing, they’ll probably show how it gets corrupted in the animation project

[native galleon]

yeah most likely. but i’ll believe it when i see it

[nimble ingot]

That would be so cool

[languid island]

Krills are those light creatures, corrupted by the dark matter technologies (remember they are dripping dark particles)

I wanted to ask - what's the reason almost all of the spirits wore masks, and why do the children of light wear masks now?

[frigid tinsel]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[nimble ingot]

Going on a limb.
Masks in general are used to conceal one's own identity, while also used to represent another's.
In religion/spiritual ceremonies, a mask can be used to shield one's face from an entity while communing, or act as a vessel, or represent an entity.
In African cultures, animal spirits would be carved unto masks for performers or participants in a ritual. In Japanese cultures, a mask can represent spirits, or be part of myth in of themselves.
Masks in theatre are used to embody character, be it man or beast. However, there are many meanings and contexts to what masks would particularly symbolise and mean to a civilisation.

In Sky lore, a mask can represent a position, an identity, or perhaps be another reason entirely.
What we can gather are, most spirits commonly wear a blank mask that has no visible mouth (although this could be stylistic, albeit also a prominent detail in the animation project). While some spirits can possess a specialised mask that befits their role in some way.

For example, the spirits from season of prophecy wear animal masks based on real life animals that have not been seen in the game (notably, most of these creatures can arguably be associated with Africa. With the sea turtle, bat, tarantula, lion and jackal)

The short hypothetical answer is that Sky may have a religion or culture that is link to the masks.
Seeing masks are often associated with communicating, or connecting to a deity.

[frigid tinsel]

The common idea is culture. masks hide faces. Allowing one to build and project their own identity. Perhaps bare faces were seen as private by most ancestors. We know masks can signify profession, namely animal masks like Ash said.

Skykids wear masks to appeal with ancestors.

[sterile orchid]

i do wonder about the spirits that don't have masks though. if they were so important to the culture, why would some of them not have one?

[nimble ingot]

Perhaps they either are not with the ancestors that follow that tradition (for a lack of a better word), or are not yet initiated?

[frigid tinsel]

Nah, most child spirits have masks, but all those without masks are older, perhaps adults

[sterile orchid]

haunted again!!

[frigid tinsel]

Likely it was a norm but not strictly enforced. If someone didn’t want to wear a mask, they very well could

[atomic bone]

So I was drawing randomly trying to make ocs but then I came up with an eden elder headcannon:

I think the Eden elder was a queen and not a king, if we go back to the very start of the game with the isle of dawn cut scene we hear a voice singing whilst the screen is focused on the Eden temple
I think that this song could be interpreted in multiple ways for example a siren call but it also sounds quite melancholy almost like the person singing is in mourning or asking for help
But it also makes sense because during rebirth in the credit scene there’s the same voice singing again sounding happier, freer- almost as if our deaths is a way for us to give the Eden elder our light since in the game we are made of light, it’s similar to how at the end of every other realm we give an elder light to grow stronger again, it’s like our deaths or sacrifices help lift the curse of corruption.

[nimble ingot]

That would be a nice twist on the Light Awaits lore adapted to the current day Children of the Light Lore.

The voice we hear in the game singing, is established to be that of Megabird. Aurora is the singer behind the voice and is associated with the Megabird in the game with her flying to Orbit with the skykids, the implications of being a deity that is aware of what is happening in Sky, and her sheer size in the concert. Making her the largest spirit to encounter in the game (dwarfing the elders as well).

The King is the only missing elder in the lore, while absent and seemingly removed from the world, is still relevant to the lore of the game, especially with Eden.

For what it is worth, the roles of the King (or Queen) and the Megabird in Sky, can be compared to mythos such as father time and mother nature. More notably so on mother nature given the diamond shape is at times symbolically linked to femininity (motherhood)

[pastel brook]

A "moth" is a new player. They have brown wings, they flap around uncontrollably, and they are drawn to flame!

[nimble ingot]

Hi Bot
Long time, no see.

[sterile orchid]

The "king" is the person who rules over the kingdom of Sky, given that we have never seen them in the actual game, they could very well be feminine (and possibly be called a queen) but still be called a king in the canon

[frigid tinsel]

More likely just Eden Elder

[sterile orchid]

that's probably what they would be called anyway, yeah

[static zephyr]

Actually, we do see him…

We see him in the shard final memory overlooking the chaos from above

[nimble ingot]

Just want to touch on something about the singing that I just realised.

Aurora's singing in the game at the start is notably sung incomprehensibly (no real translation or understandable lyrics).
This not only makes the singing and game feel mysterious, but draws the player in with their skykid. Becoming immersed with their moths being in a world with no grasp on what is going on, or understanding the words spoken to them.

Whereas in the concert, Aurora sings in English. The words are now understandable to us players and by extension our skykids. Noiw that our skykids have travelled part of the world, befriended the spirits and now able to connect with the voice of the spirits through the concert memories. They begin to understand the words.
All while Aurora still asks the question, "Do you understand what is happening here?"
As if telling us (the player and the skykid), even though you can understand the what is being said, Aurora (the voice) still questions whether the skykids (us) actually understands what is going on.

Almost asking who we are as skykids in the realms, what role do we play here, and what have we learned about the past and what can be done about it in the present.
Even the announcement from TGC of the season of remembrance relates on that note!
"Where the past meets the present"

[pastel brook]

A "moth" is a new player. They have brown wings, they flap around uncontrollably, and they are drawn to flame!

[sterile orchid]

why is skybot mentioning moths so much

[nimble ingot]

Correct.
As well as in a mural in Eden, in the all elder's cutscene in Vault, and in the water mural circling the portal to the Office in Vault.

[nimble ingot]

Because I was typing out the word, I presume.

[wild pasture]

Any comment with the word moth and a question mark can summon the demon.

[frigid tinsel]

That’s just a symbol, an effigy. Not the guy

[sterile orchid]

what we have seen is INCREDIBLY vague though, there's not enough to tell what's going on with them.

[static zephyr]

I mean, they are wearing the same mass that the king does

[sterile orchid]

worth mentioning that that's in concept art
it's entirely possible that it could still be part of the canon but again, it's too vague and. literally just a star shape. that could be anything!

[atomic bone]

What if after the corruption the king was no longer able to take a physical form for themselves instead forced to live either trapped in the crystal or through other beings/things

[static zephyr]

Possible

[frigid tinsel]

Common assumption that “king” was corrupted but not only possibility

[static zephyr]

Do you think it’s possibly his power, hunger or something else that could’ve caused the corruption or what if he’s the source of the darkness?

[frigid tinsel]

None of the above.

[sterile orchid]

(ABSOLUTELY RANDOM THOUGHT THIS IS NOT SERIOUS)
something i think would be hilarious is if the diamond itself was the real eden elder, and it eventually just got fed up with all of the stuff the ancestors did to the environment, so it killed everything

like, just imagine we keep theorizing all this time about how there might have been a ruler over the sky kingdom that somehow became the diamond, or did something to it in an attempt to fix the problems that were going on, and how we never actually see them - but then it's revealed that we've been seeing them this entire time.

sorry for posting at the exact same time as you alasdair i didn't notice you were typing,,

[wild pasture]

That would be one heck of a plot twist, Fluffy!

and I'm haunted again! Twice today!

[sterile orchid]

this is definitely over 10 times of being haunted in the last week and i'm so confused

[wild pasture]

It does seem like there's been an uptick in hauntings lately.

Remember only seeing a few, sparse mentions of it before Bloom. After Bloom started, it's been everywhere.

[sharp lichen]

Void of Shattering is the King trust (they have the same 3 last letters)

[frigid tinsel]

So does fine dining but no one is eating them

[fallen cosmos]

Can someone tell me what dark stone is?

[sharp lichen]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

A raw material mined from the ground that is refined into power diamonds, which open doors and do other stuff

[sterile orchid]

this new PC update for discord message links is very confusing for me, i keep thinking everyone is just linking to the channel and not a specific message

[round parrot]

Idk why but I dislike it when I see people go all "The Corrupted King is the bad guy." or "The King is the reason towards the fall of the kingdom." (at least along those lines)
The king wasn't evil. The king wasn't the reason towards the fall of the kingdom.
Just because the king was given a concept art depicting them big and corrupted does not mean they are evil. All concept arts must be taken with a grain of salt.
Also, the ancestors were the one who led the kingdom to its fall. The production of diamonds, the war, etc.
I have a guess that the reason why the king was unable to do anything was either

a. The ancestors were not loud enough to speak to the king about the situation
b. The king is a literal child
c. All the above

I don't think the king was power hungry, greedy or anything like that. Since the king could've been a child, I don't think they would be able to find power hunger under all the responsibilities and pressure that the kingdom needs.

TL;DR: The king isn't evil.

Sorry I just needed to get this off my chest.. I really wish I could word this better but I am not good at doing that.

[sharp lichen]

I agree. They were presumably a good leader, building the Eden Diamond and even sacrificing themselves to try to save it

[untold notch]

the King is my golf partner but they always hit it in the water

[wild pasture]

I think the main reason people would say that (besides TGC seeming to cast the king in a rather negative light), is because the fall of anything is blamed on the leader. Company, club, entire kingdoms. It's usually blamed on the leader, and in some ways, it's accurate to do so. Unless the leader has lived a life where they were purposely kept separate (read: figurehead) so others can take control, the leader of the kingdom bears at least some responsibility for what happens in their kingdom.

The king may not be "evil" per-se, but they are culpable.

[frigid tinsel]

They are culpable, yes, but that does not mean evil

Someone with power can certainly do their best to do what they would was the most good for what they responsible for, but they could’ve made bad calls or lacked info or poorly weighed sacrifices, whether advised by others or not, that had bad consequences down the line

[wild pasture]

No, it doesn't. A good king is still capable of great evil, even if unintentional, though.

[frigid tinsel]

Certainly ruining the world is a bad thing, but is it or the actor evil if it was done with good and just intentions or the actor was ignorant of the malignant consequences?

If someone pressed a button that gave them $1000, unaware that doing so would kill 1000 people, are they evil?

[wild pasture]

The act itself is "evil". Death of thousands is evil, even if the actor causing it is unaware. That's what I mean.

[frigid tinsel]

This, of course, bears the question of whether the kingdom was aware of what would happen down the line because of their production and usage of darkstone technology

[wild pasture]

Basically, what I mean is, the actions of a good king can cause great evil to be done upon a world. Even if good intentioned.

[frigid tinsel]

Yes, the deaths of a 1000 people is horrible, but if the person responsible had no idea that would happen, are they truly bad?

Tbf this is getting too philosophical for my exhausted self, I’m taking a nap

[wild pasture]

They themselves, no. I would argue they weren't. That doesn't alleviate the guilt and culpability, though. That's been what I've been discussing, though probably in too many words. They may not be "evil", but their actions caused a great "evil".

[keen shore]

With your help I can change this

Wait hold on

[keen shore]

counterpoint

Sorry I will now attempt to join the discussion on a serious note

[keen shore]

I would personally say they’re as culpable as any of the other elders, although that entirely depends on how you believe power dynamics worked between all the elders before the disaster happened, and a bunch of other factors we don’t know yet. I prefer the interpretation that they do have some blame but not all of it, since Sky has a lot of parallels to irl issues (like climate change for instance) that would fall flat if only one person caused them as opposed to entire societies

[nimble ingot]

Here is a tid-bit that may support Draconys' point on the King.

Recalling past theories and comments on the King in the lore, as far as I can tell from the old messages, plenty of folk thought of the elders as the villains (antagonists) of the game. Being the ones meant to defend the realms and were involved in the Eden crystal explosion.

The King being associated with Eden, and implied to be a major contributor based on Light Awaits lore.
Citing the Light Awaits timeline, the elders and the King ruled over the kingdoms, discovered dark stone, used its power, became corrupted and the kingdom fell into darkness.
This may not be relevant to the current game's lore, however a part of this theme can be seen.

All of that said, it is important to note the lore in sky is left open to interpretation for fans to create they own story based on the lore in sky. Which in turn leaves some areas blank. The parts that are certain though is the game does not have traditional story telling structure as one may recognise in Journey (that uses the monomyth philosophy and focuses on the protagonist's journey and the challenges they face, which may include antagonists).
However, Sky deviates from this and uses the collective Journey Which notoriously lacks protagonists and antagonists. It focuses on the change the characters undergo throughout the story, be it good or bad.

One can see this in other fantastical works such as in the Ghibli films. Where even though one may interpret some characters to be 'good' and 'bad', the film makes it abundantly clear that all characters can change and are not to be written off based on their stereotypes.
Take for example Howl's moving castle. The witch of the west may be wicked and abrasive, yet the other character still treated her with kindness and acceptance.
Hayao Miyazaki's work has been mentioned in a past interview by Jenova Chen as one of the inspirations.
Which makes this argument relevant to the King's, and elder's, roles in Sky.

[untold notch]

I'm not reading all that happy for you or sorry it happened

[nimble ingot]

Thank you, just glad to be back in Lore chat.
And sorry for the wall-o-theory

Try 'Speak Message' it helps digest long messages.

[keen shore]

A fun fact that has been in my head a bit: you can see in the prophecy murals that darkstone existed for at least a while before Storm fell, whereas in the concept art people sometimes reference for them, they discovered it!

[sterile orchid]

aaa i want to say things but i'm in a call and don't have much time or brain power for typing out longer messages
from what i can understand of what's going on these are good points though!!

[nimble ingot]

True.
Old lore stated dark stone was discovered in forest (rain).

Which somewhat reflects in the game where forest is the first realm skykids are introduced to environmental hazards (other than crabs).

Dark stone has been part of sky civilization for a good portion of their existence (hence floating buildings and flying boats)

[keen shore]

Everyone already said the points I wanted to say very well so I have just turned into spouting loading screen fun facts

[untold notch]

sometimes the small facts are fun

[sterile orchid]

loading screen fun facts are awesome, i wish the actual game had them

[untold notch]

... the title screen is right there

[wild pasture]

I think the loading screens in Sky are a weeee bit too short, lol.

[keen shore]

Fluffy… /t

[sterile orchid]

[keen shore]

there are loading screen fun facts when you boot up the game

[sterile orchid]

i always think of that as game news not fun facts,,

[untold notch]

it does both

[keen shore]

That is a good point… (in evil voice) I guess it’s open to interpretation
We should probably get back on topic though

[wild pasture]

Was going to mention those. It would be interesting if they had a random message after the first daily login. Like, the first could be the message TGC wants it to be (its current intended purpose), but each login after that could be random. They could hide little tidbits of lore there.

[untold notch]

waig what was the topic j forgot

[keen shore]

Another thing you have to consider with this discussion too, especially if you consider Storm as the leader of everything (fitting with the king title more) is, how many decisions would they have to make where it isn’t a question of one option hurts people and the other one doesn’t, but where every course they can take hurts someone and they still have to choose

[sharp lichen]

Welcome to Sky philosophy

[half shadow]

the king is inherently evil because they’re a monarchist. this is the only based take sorry ||/j||

[earnest briar]

Sky revolution 😳

[sharp lichen]

Then again that does lead to the ethics around child monarchs

[wild pasture]

A situation like that is probably beyond my philosophical capabilities to explore. It is a highly morally grey discussion, and it can be argued from either end of the discussion. They could be seen as evil for letting things get to that point (or even actively killing), or good for trying their hardest to minimize casualties and trying to correct course.

Obviously, this is the barest exploration of that particular topic. This theoretical conversation could probably go on for days, and still barely scratch the surface.

[half shadow]

i don’t think that they were a child monarch for the entire time personally

[sharp lichen]

Depends on how long the Sky timeframe is. If the King was a Skykid, they theoretically could’ve never grown

[wild pasture]

Egh, I don't wanna think about child monarchies... Just reminds me of the an abhorrent example of one in Genshin. 😑

[earnest briar]

I have a headcanon that the previous Eden Elder died suddenly and the King who was their apprentice they were training was shoved into the role before they were ready, leading to a lot of bad decisions made by an inexperienced child trying their best to be a good leader.

[half shadow]

tbh the King is a wildcard. they could have overloaded the diamond to try and bring renewable energy to the entire kingdom. or they became corrupted somehow by darkness and intentionally ruined it to spread more darkness. or they could have tried to trigger it to erupt to end the war that (presumably) had reached Eden. or they were pressured into messing with the diamond by the Elders or expectations of the entire kingdom to continue to innovate with light energy. or they took it upon themselves to somehow absorb the power of the diamond a la the Eden constellation with them holding an orb up to their mouth. all we really know is that the Elders seemed to be present when it happened but other than that anything could be true

[earnest briar]

Maybe it was a meeting the King held in an attempt to find a way to stop the war but the diamond chose the worst possible time to go kablooey.

[half shadow]

it could be entirely their fault because of them choosing to do something selfish and wrong out of greed or it could have been a tragic accident from someone trying to do good for their people. i like to think it was a bit of column a, bit of column b

i’m a corrupted king concept art enjoyer however. i think those ideas were awesome looking

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[half shadow]

but it can be. take my hand

[untold notch]

the kings ultimate downfall came from them trying to establish a smoothie store in the kingdom

[halcyon hull]

Real

[half shadow]

the megabird called them cringe and they decided to take everyone down with them

[untold notch]

where's the your humansona is cringe image

I know I sound insane for saying that but I swear it happened

I FOUND IT YES

[sharp lichen]

I disagree, everything fell apart after the failed divorce run

[untold notch]

the smoothie store was an attempted comeback but it couldn't hold

[keen shore]

Wow just like the wasteland army

[frigid tinsel]

The ice cream machine was always broken— oi

[half shadow]

confirmed

[floral skiff]

Vault of knowledge? It's not very vault shaped

[untold notch]

it can be any shape it wants to be 💔

[round parrot]

Well then what shape do you want it to be then?

[floral skiff]

Vault shaped?

[round parrot]

What shape exactly?

[round parrot]

Vault of Knowledge is a vault, therefore it is vault shaped.
Am I getting your message (and the one a few messages above) correct?

[hushed steeple]

he wants vault to be square? (it already is wdym)

[round parrot]

Vault isn't exactly a square, rather a mixture (of a vault) and the tilting towers

[hushed steeple]

maybe the real vault shapes are the squares we made along the way

[untold notch]

built in a fortnight or so they say

[keen shore]

I hate you. Stole my joke

[hushed steeple]

i love how vault elder said "it's vaultin' time" and proceeded to vaulted the place
now imagine vault elder doing the vaulting

[untold notch]

night elder drinks mountain dew

[round parrot]

You go Night

[sterile orchid]

this is an amazing message

[halcyon hull]

Where can I see divorce lore I can't find

[frigid tinsel]

Just look up divorce in this channel

[halcyon hull]

Hard

[round parrot]

Just a little note, please don't ping people who have "don't ping" in their name.

[outer hare]

bobbit

[tribal plume]

omg haiiii, ok i've been like super duper invested in the sky lore/backstory for like the longest time, i don't think i've ever talked here before tho. i just have like, a question on if there's any like lore theories as to why some of the spirits have capes and some don't. like it's probably not that deep, idk im just curious as to why that would be

[bold magnet]

Well 3 of the spirits in the first section are isle spirits. The last one kind of lives in a cave with crabs. That could maybe have something to do with it?

[tribal plume]

oh yeah ik that, im not super sure about what relevance that might have though since it's not like isolated to specific realms like obv there's spirits without capes in every realm, and spirits with a cape in every realm excluding isle. not sure about the cave thing w crabs though esp considering the stealthy survivor is kinda in a similar(ish) position?

[sharp lichen]

I thought it was somewhat of a class thing, where some spirits couldn’t afford or didn’t need capes

[tribal plume]

that'd make sense, i figure it would be like a select thing but i don't know to decide if it's because of a factor like occupation, class, or just some having the ability to fly and some don't

[bold magnet]

Crabs are attracted to light (like capes)

[tribal plume]

yeah ! but what's that gotta do w one spirit being capeless and one having a cape ykwim

[bold magnet]

well environment they live in? Idk sorry…

[tribal plume]

ur fine no worries ! im kinda just wondering about it i haven't really been able to think of an explanation that makes a lot of sense that's backed by anything

[bold magnet]

Isle is known for being the area where you get your cape. Maybe a cape is something you have to earn?
Oh no you got haunted

[tribal plume]

i was thinking thatt maybe . i figure it'd be like an honorary thing, like how in valley the victor and thrillseeker have capes . but i don't know how they'd be capable of "earning" their capes while other spirits who've also done something notably valiant (ie the saluting captain, who i figure would probably be considered, especially in terms of war being such a big theme in sky lore) are capeless

[untold notch]

they could also just be a fashion thing

[tribal plume]

i thought that too, that they were purely cosmetic but i don't know if that means the capes just don't matter and some just do or don't wear them and the ability to fly is irrelevant
(but then i got to thinking, no they could definitely fly, the flying race in valley was built for a reason)
but then i couldn't figure out if that just meant all of them could fly or none of them could fly. because it can't be that none of them could fly (again, the flying race thing) but if WE'RE without capes then we can't fly

[untold notch]

I've thought the flying race was for all the manta racers valley has

[tribal plume]

if that makes any sense at all, sorry if that might be confusing how i worded it i'm not super great with like putting thoughts together

[tribal plume]

oh that's crazyy that'd make a lot of sense though actually, i kinda overlooked that. im gonna go w that for the racing thing, idk to settle on the capes just being purely cosmetic though iykwim. cus to us they capes are wings so what are they to them

[sharp lichen]

I think that spirits didn’t fly, while Skykids could.

[tribal plume]

woah waoah woah im trying to type something but my messages keep on like disappearing that's nuts hold on

[round parrot]

Probably hitting a trigger word (skybot deletes messages with certain words)

[tribal plume]

WHAT WORDS idk what im saying wrong like at all is there like a list of things u can't say bc im tweaking rn

[round parrot]

Idk honestly
I know one but I can't say it cause... it'll get deleted

[tribal plume]

😭😭😭

[tribal plume]

i don't talk in here often or like at all idk if im like doing something wrong or like bypassing something messed up or what i just wanted to add, i rllly hope im not like bugging the system or

i just dk why i can't say it 😭😭😭 i feel like im tripping

[sharp lichen]

Lmao it happens sometimes, and yeah I agree!

[tribal plume]

hells yeah ! they were just playing dressup i guess, i'd have just liked to think it was something important

[untold notch]

it's the word after existence I think, probably because its similar to an unsavory type of person

[tribal plume]

oh what the what

that'd make sense i guess, that mess had me retyping it like 5 whole times though it was like tilting me i was about to go crazy 😭😭

[untold notch]

in my infinite wisdom I tried to type the word that gets filtered directly into chat to say which one it is

[tribal plume]

CRAZYY I JUST TRIED TO TYPE SMTHN AGAIN AND IT AIN'T GO THRU, do u guys just like go in blind w these trigger words cuz i literally can't even remember what i said like is there nothing to go off of

[untold notch]

sometimes it's a bit of guesswork yeah

[tribal plume]

they don't have like a list or anything fr ?

[languid skiff]

lol
am enjoying my time reading ur theories nd thoughts
but the way u react to all of this is so endearing

[untold notch]

they do not have a published list no

[tribal plume]

😭😭😭😭 bro im tilted

[round parrot]

There can't be a list because
A. The words are definitely not going to be appropriate for this server
B. It's going to be considered as spam
C. All the above

[untold notch]

it's funny tho because hell isn't filtered somehow but some innocuous words are

[tribal plume]

i mean im not asking for like an extensive list of like every inappropriate word in the book just something to go off of cus i literally have no idea what im even saying wrong like im so fr. like at least an IDEA of what not to say, ykwim?

[languid skiff]

oh would u look that
same thing happened rn lol
but i experienced same thing
it kept deleting my paragraph till i gave up

[tribal plume]

because i had to watch whole paragraphs get deleted just to retype them and then they get deleted again like how do y'all live like this 😧 im getting scared !

[untold notch]

sometimes the strat is to copy what you're saying in another tab and trial and error through it

[tribal plume]

no bc i didn't even figure to do that cus i didn't even think it was actually getting deleted or nothing i just thought like my wifi was acting a fool or smthn

[untold notch]

yeah no it's like that for long paragraphs too because skybot doesn't always like those either

[languid skiff]

odd since I've seen ppl here post journals lmao

[tribal plume]

ACTUALLY WILD.

[untold notch]

it's . very inconsistent lmao good luck

[languid skiff]

but i guess all u gotta do is type in simplified words nd that it lmao

[tribal plume]

ACTUALLY CRAZY, YEAH NAH IM NOT TALKING IN HERE AGAIN IT'S LOWKEY WACK IM TILTED FR thank y'all tho for engaging w me

[untold notch]

happy to, sorry you won't be staying but I completely understand why

[languid skiff]

u were entertaining to talk to nd listen to tho
good luck out there

[halcyon hull]

Can I see monopoly now

[untold notch]

monopoly has been canceled due to inclement weather

[fickle snow]

THE WINE HAS ARRIVE-.. hm? oh, sorry wrong universe-

i have arrived!

someone might have already said this, but, have someone seen that, in the cutscene the twins spawn like, they look like one elder, but then they divide, so i was wondering, what if before the great war, or before a certain point in the sky world, they were one elder, not two

[untold notch]

it could be more metaphorical, as darkstone was probably Pretty Divisive

[fickle snow]

Thats another thing that itought, and i just tought of smt, ‘s hair looks like a manta, like i said before, maybe they were a liiiitle bit more pro-light, not totally cause, duh, but more that, while ‘s hair is, as someone said, more like darstone

[native galleon]

i dont think it would always be that clear cut but also the idea of being like. a darkstone tech bro is so funny to me

[halcyon hull]

headcanon out of nowhere
I love to think that sometimes one of the Valley twins stands on the other's shoulders to appear taller or just idk

[sterile orchid]

They absolutely get into arguments about who's taller, when they're both the exact same height

[grim python]

at elder conferences they stack and wear a big trench coat

[halcyon hull]

THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE ONE CHAIR

[native galleon]

thats why does their hair like that

[halcyon hull]

to include hair as an argument?

[native galleon]

to claim that they’re taller

[sterile orchid]

Their hair is taller therefore they can't be the same height

[static zephyr]

What in the name of Eden is going on here?

[sterile orchid]

Head canons about Valley elders being silly little guys

[static zephyr]

I’m not surprised

Why am I not surprised?

[lusty merlin]

I feel like that’s the point, to keep us guessing

When you complete their constellation they’re even called “Elder of The Valley” and this is done intentionally as their sky shop pin also says “Elder or The Valley,” not Elders. And with both missing an eye and arm, and maybe even a leg where they could’ve been perfectly split does make you wonder.
Were they always two people, or one person? I find it super cool the devs made them this way! For me i personally think they were originally two people , but when they fell they didn’t fully split. Hence why I think they have one eye and arm, it’s unclear if their legs were like that to but that also would be cool!

I feel like they aren’t sure themselves, but I also think they like to play with the idea to keep their people guessing. I know i was surprised when there was two of them instead of one when I first played sky

[slate saffron]

The elders are kinda like personifications of their realms design wise, what's more competitive then 2 people in the same job?

[lusty merlin]

Also what I deeply appreciate is that like both twins have their own personality you know? Because there’s sooo many times in media that twins just act like a carbon copy of one another personality wise, but in their cutscene you can like see their different personality’s and I adore that. Even if they were one person and split, they arnet exactly alike which I find cool

[static zephyr]

Like in the shining

[lusty merlin]

They also have the petty sibling bantering too both trying to take the light as it devolves into stealing it and playing keep away

[sterile orchid]

I find it so funny that when initially steals the light and knows they've basically already lost so they just glare at them

[lusty merlin]

I’ve never seen it but I just know the twins girls hold hands and be creepy. But yeah protrayal of twins like that I don’t really get, but since it’s for a horror movie it would make sence for the twins to be acting like a single person to throw you off

[lusty merlin]

The turnaround of when they do an over the top backflip and the slow turnaround always gets me

[static zephyr]

I wonder how the twin would act in a meeting I can imagine them arguing about what the game of the day would be

Edit; got to love those siblings rivalry’s I should know I have 5

[native galleon]

it’s like that one fic (this is my way of saying that i found it and i’m obsessed)

[sharp lichen]

The we are the one thingy?

[lusty merlin]

I feel both would listen to what the other elders have to say, give their input as needed and decide and or compromise to make sure it works out for everyone. Can see being a little more laid back when Is more like uptight and serious because they want to do their job properly

[untold notch]

we are one and I am two?

[static zephyr]

Meh makes sense

[lusty merlin]

I need to read that again just,,

God it’s my favorite twin fic I love it so much I love Alasdair’s writing 🫶

[halcyon hull]

I also finally realized what they save a rhombus on their chest without additional details simply because there's two of them

[quick jasper]

i showed the fic to my friends

[keen shore]

yes! they have to share it like an xbox

[lusty merlin]

Hi Salem!! Spinning you!!

[sterile orchid]

Mekh gives me so many "incredibly aggressive and hates losing" vibes for some reason but that might just be the lore chat funnies getting to me

[halcyon hull]

Evil twin

[keen shore]

I’m holding myself back from posting the image

[sterile orchid]

What image

[untold notch]

I don't know which image you mean but I think you should do it

[native galleon]

some of us are newer post the image

[lusty merlin]

Do you know how little that narrows it down? /ref

I know what it is, do it

[sterile orchid]

EVIL BABY

[lusty merlin]

I KNEW IT JENEKNSHDDI

I HATE ITBUT LOVE IT

[native galleon]

ALDHDJFHSNSS

[untold notch]

ah that

[lusty merlin]

I have it saved in my photos so I can look back in stellar awe

[sterile orchid]

"choose a way to born" omg I'm going to die

[quick jasper]

I'm gonna start calling sah Evil baby

[keen shore]

I love the original image so much so when I got the idea to edit this it was like a sinister lightbulb went off in my head

[lusty merlin]

Oh yeah like the <>? I find that super cool aswell, all the other elders have them yet the twins have the most simple designs out of anyone, but that could be since they’re participating in athletic sports.
I had an idea that the patterns on an elder are like earned in a way, like the more experience the more patterns you would revive. Also think it could be an age thing, more older you get more patterns you recive but that could be that I hc the twins to be the youngest

[native galleon]

Pls this is so funny

[halcyon hull]

Yeah that's cool too

[native galleon]

Wait i thought them being the youngest was canon lol

[sterile orchid]

Okay give me a second I can't keep looking at evil baby while I'm holding my phone I have to go get on my computer

[lusty merlin]

Where’s that image of the cats where it was like: my son and his brother cheese that you tease me with Salem cuz this also fits

[keen shore]

this is you

[lusty merlin]

I mean we don’t know for sure, the elder ages arnet really mentioned. It’s really comes to speculating, I think alot of folks agree Isle is the oldest from their beard and cane. For all we know could be the youngest and we’d have no clue

PPFTTT

I CARE FOR THE TWINS AN EQUAL AMOUNT THANK YOU VERY KUCH

[halcyon hull]

Small meanie
Like chosen one

[untold notch]

could be as well

[sharp lichen]

Elder age is an interesting topic, because they could’ve just all came at the same time

[native galleon]

fair, i think sometimes i just take fanon ideas and run w it
also your bio tells a different story

[halcyon hull]

Nah it's definitely Dusk

[lusty merlin]

Listen we will ignore that-

[lusty merlin]

Yeah! Like they could’ve came down togeather or over the years so it’s super cool to think about

[keen shore]

Elder ages basically just come down to personal headcanon; we have very little information on how they entered the Sky world (if any at all). They are referred to as ‘stars’ both visually and in text (for example one of the shattering poems) but what that means exactly in terms of how they work is unknown

[lusty merlin]

Sorry I couldn’t help myslef

[sterile orchid]

also me ngl

[lusty merlin]

Yeah pretty much! I also find it cool isle shows that the elders can like age and are not just stuck in the form they were made in like eons later

[keen shore]

Unfortunately, this is also unclear — they could have been made like that to begin with

[earnest briar]

Peepaw Isle has always been old. They’ve got that ancient bone-creaky swag

[lusty merlin]

Ah yeah that too

I wonder if the animation (why did ir correct to that???) will give us a hint on if they stay the same or was younger and then grew

[halcyon hull]

Cheese is Sah

[lusty merlin]

-Looks to my pfp and the endless fanart I’ve done of them - Yeah I adore Mekh

[earnest briar]

Oooogh I just had an angsty idea

[sterile orchid]

it would be interesting if the valley twins are referred to as one person because they got the title passed down from one person and both decided that it would be best to rule together - their connection to each other probably makes it quicker to think things through

It could also be that their connection to each other runs so deep that they chose to be referred to as one person, because they technically are
or they started out as one and for whatever reason got split apart but still somehow think & act the same as if they never did, so prefer not being reminded that they are now two people

[sharp lichen]

I am one and we are to

[native galleon]

i don’t think it’s a title that gets passed down tho??

[earnest briar]

So you know how Dusk has a crack in their statue and has an injury in their cutscene? What if they had an injury from their creation? Maybe caused by clipping off the Eden mountain on their way down since Wasteland is at the foot of Eden.

[sterile orchid]

we've never seen it happen but it would be interesting

[lusty merlin]

Yayaya!!! I really like that cool! It’s super intersting to think on why they chose to be referred to as a single elder and not just elders.

[halcyon hull]

Sure you are

[earnest briar]

So despite being a warrior they’re actually not really in the right condition to be one and might end up feeling guilty for the deaths of their people because of their injury preventing them from fighting as well as they could means Dusk could have saved so many of their people but weren’t able to.

[lusty merlin]

Wait so do you think dusk fell when darkstone was fully established in the realms?

[earnest briar]

this was before my second message

[static zephyr]

I feel like the darkness is strongest at night how we are stronger at day

But I’m only speaking common sense

[native galleon]

omg i thought you said dawn. i was very confused lol

[earnest briar]

basically Dusk cannot have anything nice to the point where they’re injured from birth and cannot fight as well as they could because hurting them is fun.

[sterile orchid]

i don't remember seeing any visible injuries on Dusk though,, might be hard to see in the cutscene and i just never paid enough attention.

i know i did that with the valley elders and didn't notice they had prosthetic arms, missing eyes, or that mekh's expression changes when they look at sah at the start

[native galleon]

the crack is because they got stabbed :3
oh my god this chat is altering my brain chemistry i swear

[earnest briar]

Not a physical injury, an internal injury to their Light. Like how some people’s hearts can end up weak and they can get heart attacks.

[fickle snow]

Lol x2, btw how do you do that kind of text, like with a line in it

[static zephyr]

I feel like the Eder of the GW was a good friend to the king and after his turn to the dark he was heart broken and because of that it weakened his light

[sterile orchid]

this chat has collectively ruined my ability to think about the game properly. (/lh)
i'm always searching for weird things that could be something for lore, or re-watching cutscenes as many times as i can just to figure out if i missed anything and keep myself reminded of what happens in them so i don't have to go re-watch it later (< always winds up having to re-watch it later)

[pastel brook]

[fickle snow]

Dont zzz on me bot! I was zz when it was written! (Sry I had to say that)

[static zephyr]

[sterile orchid]

can't stop thinking about this image

[fickle snow]

Theoryyyyy

I think one of the only thimes where we actually hear our akid’s voice is with aurora’s i think it does is that it tunes our voice into aurora’s

[half shadow]

it’s all sounds that Aurora herself recorded, edited slightly to make them more musical, but it is actually just her voice

i’d say that the default honk is the skykids normal voice, but the other calls are still them just mimicking things they’ve heard

[fickle snow]

Ik, but i mean in lore

[half shadow]

well I think the default honk fits better for lore then, seeing as it’s the first voice we ever hear out of them before they’ve seen enough of the world to mimic the sounds of other creatures

[fickle snow]

Yes yes, that true, the actual voice it ye smight be the honk, i mean that, the aurora voice intrument might work, at least lore wise, like turning our voice (honk) into aurora’s

[half shadow]

i’d see it like the skykids were copying how they’ve heard Aurora sound, yeah. they seem to be capable of picking up sounds pretty quickly, even if the calls don’t always sound exactly the same that the creatures do

[pastel brook]

You're a part of the Isle of Dawn where the light comes from the dark 🕯️

[fickle snow]

Silence bot

[half shadow]

we need an edit of a crab with lasers in its eyes going SILENCE BOT

[sterile orchid]

the spirits manage to make just about the same noises as the creatures the calls are for, right? i remember bird whisperer making actual bird noises

[fickle snow]

Yes ik

[untold notch]

there is one somewhere

[tepid veldt]

i gotchu bro

[half shadow]

thank you so much everybody here is so smart

[sterile orchid]

I HATE THOSE CRABS SO MUCH THEY ARE SO TERRIFYING

[brisk python]

ngl i read this as skykids coping instead of skykids copying 💀

[tepid veldt]

quick where’s the cope gif

[sterile orchid]

coping how they've heard aurora

[ocean grove]

Hey lore chat
So its a pretty accepted theory that krill are corrupted light creatures, but i seem to remember this getting proven outright somehow and i cant find where? If anyone could help out or just tell me if its been proven or not that'd be great.
Thank you ❤️

[brisk python]

tbf after the aurora concert i was also coping from the emotions 💀

[sterile orchid]

same i feel like all my emotions about it were made stronger because i had stayed off of this game for so long, and then i just. come back to the best gaming experience i have EVER had?? yeah no wonder i'm so obsessed with it now'

[lusty merlin]

Here, outright confirmed from Jenova Chen who is TGC’s President and Creative Director

[brisk python]

i got you

[sterile orchid]

as usual with this gif i get stuck at Sah looking like basically forever. as far as i'm concerned this is a still image

[brisk python]

it's so funny bc i had to turn off gif autoplay to see if it would help my phone discord stop being stinky, every time i come back to look at it, it looks like sah is INDEED coping with the skyrocketing divorce rates thanks to mehk

[sterile orchid]

just. head in hands, crying, with "C O P E" over the top of it

[untold notch]

it's so fantastic

[sterile orchid]

if this was posted as Literally just a still image of that Sah frame at the beginning, i would never know the difference and just assume it's taking a really long time to load

[untold notch]

sometimes I think about how that's originally from a yoru ni kakeru mmd of the twins

[sterile orchid]

felt like it was from a video but have never been able to find it because i never thought to ask, i will now go dig through the internet for this

[untold notch]

godsspeed

[tepid veldt]

oh my goodness thats so funny
i keep confusing sah with mekh and mekh with sah at this point theyre going to be sahmekh 1 and sahmekh 2 for me

[untold notch]

their names are Valley and Elders obviously

[sterile orchid]

I LITERALLY DIDN'T EVEN NOTICE. I WAS RIGHT

[fickle wing]

samek and h

[sterile orchid]

i love samek and h

[ocean grove]

Thank you so much

[native galleon]

moth me trying to run away from the crabs in hide and seek cave and getting beat up bc i didnt know you could flip them

[sterile orchid]

spider crabs are horrifying monstrosities that should not exist, and yet they do. i hate them.

[fickle snow]

Me too

Edit: wait you can flip them?!?!

[sterile orchid]

try deep honking next time you see crabs

we are not going to talk about how i sent a message that was just "i" and it got deleted

[nimble ingot]

Me wondering why crabs in sky only have 4 legs.
Speculating it may because it is easier to animate a 4-legged creature than a 6-legged creature.
Then looking at Krill with their 12 24 (I counted it in the past and forgot the total) legs O.O

I take 4 legged crabs looks cuter than 6 legged one, thus a stylistic choice.
Also, adding that to the pile of references and coincidences to the number 4 in Sky.

[wild pasture]

If you think spider crabs are horrifying, do NOT look up the Amblypygi spider. That thing is a creature born from the fires of the Underworld. It's like a spider crab, but much creepier.

[sterile orchid]

OKAYY TIME TO GO LOOK UP CUTE FANART I HAVE SEEN ENOUGH HORRORS

obviously, i looked it up. didn't even get a good look at it and i already agree with you

[wild pasture]

It's nightmare fuel.
Worst part is, for the longest time, I used to think it was fake because it was in Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire. It wasn't until a "did you know" video revealed to me that that thing was real. shudder

[ocean grove]

Ok really sorry to bother you again, but where can i find the source of that screenshot

[lusty merlin]

Here! https://www.thatskygame.com/news/sky-2nd-anniversary-livestream-recap

Need to scroll down a bit but you’ll find the text

[tawdry copper]

...I looked it up, instantly regret everything

[wild pasture]

Yeah... They're terrifying. Regular, Itty bitty spiders got nothing on that family of spider...

[lusty merlin]

Whoaaa they have like pinchers?? And spikes almost?? That’s so cool

[wild pasture]

They've definitely got some weird features, that's for sure.

[lusty merlin]

And they walk like crabs do apprently which is super cool and they’re still considered a spider

Wait reading more they seem to be in they’re own order so if they’re just called that for the spider like appearance

[wild pasture]

Yeah, they're not "spiders" per-se, but they are arachnids. They're more commonly known as "tailless whip scorpions".

[lusty merlin]

Oo that’s rlly cool!

[sterile orchid]

OH I'VE HEARD OF WHIP SCORPIONS. i've even seen them in videos before and nthought nothing of how scary that actually was, for some reason the clear photos were worse

[wild pasture]

Apparently, people keep them as pet?! What?! Why?!

[lusty merlin]

Looking at a few home videos they’re kinda Sillay

[wild pasture]

I wouldn't want to wake up seeing that demon spawn... 😭

[lusty merlin]

Apprently they don’t even have venom so they’d just try to pinch you but yeah it would be scary seeing one out of nowhere

[sterile orchid]

if there's any lurkers out there, welcome to #discussing-the-horrors

[lusty merlin]

I can only imagine what the creatures in sky would look like, if mantas can fly in air I can only imagine what other sorts of creatures can be possible

Ah and whales looking like this:

[sterile orchid]

i do wonder how many other aquatic creatures we can turn into things that definitely do not live in water

[lusty merlin]

OUGH I have a few in mind let me finddd

In order: Siphonophorae (class of deep sea jellyfish)/ Leafy Seadragon / Sea Angels

Basicailly anything that’s bioluminescent, a deep sea creature, or and would have ALOT of fins

[sterile orchid]

SEA ANGELS

[lusty merlin]

THEYRE SO CUTE LOOK ST THEM LIL GALAXIES

[sterile orchid]

i love those little things so much i wish we had them in the game. would look perfect as something to base a little raincoat outfit for a sky kid off of

[lusty merlin]

OUGHH yeah

[wild pasture]

I don't know why, but I'd like to see horseshoe crabs. I think they're a lot cuter than regular crabs. We already have crabs, though, so it's unlikely more crabs will be added.

Their shape could make an interesting base for a cape, too.

[lusty merlin]

Ooo yeah I’d love them

[wild pasture]

Could you imagine finding a friendly giant squid flying through the clouds?! That would be cool!

[tepid veldt]

SEA BUTTERFLIES OMG
i thought they looked cool in ac and theyre so pretty irl 🤍

[half shadow]

breaks down the door

fun topic

i have a bit of a nitpick - animal crossing was weirdly wrong about labeling the sea butterfly creature. the one with the wings is actually called a sea angel! a sea butterfly is a different, similar animal! the main difference is that sea angels do not have a shell and are thus considered sea slugs, while sea butterflies DO have a shell and are thus sea snails. here’s what a sea butterfly looks like!

either the angels or butterflies would be such a good creature to draw inspiration from in sky i feel. the cosmic mantas already give me sea slug vibes. specially, cyere elegans!

[untold notch]

that's so pretty what

[half shadow]

they’re super crazy! this is another one, colors vary slightly but they’re still awesome https://alchetron.com/cdn/cyerce-elegans-ab955036-e0c0-4684-8f38-84c76bf0e90-resize-750.jpeg

embed fail 😔 sad

[lusty merlin]

Oh my god they remind me of those like projects of making costom flower petals with wire and a sort of mixture to make the petal inside

[earnest briar]

I want the sea bunny! Or one of these little guys.

It has a hecking smiley face why would you not love it?

[frigid tinsel]

awww, a cutie

[wild pasture]

It looks so happy.

[tepid veldt]

i love it can we have a furret walk video but with this

[nimble ingot]

TGC could take notes and consider more creatures.

(As well as including baby turtles, please 🙏 )

[wild pasture]

Why not put some of these images in #wishlist-and-ideas-archived. Might inspire TGC a little bit.

[lean kayak]

:3

[ocean grove]

Hey so um
Does anyone have that one soup sandwich shish kebab salad diagram?

[untold notch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1049411818289893507/1074079612914647131/vol_-_lightblur_infographic.PNG I think it's this?

[nimble ingot]

Stating the obvious with being a devil's advocate here.
Making fan art, or suggesting to a company with ideas, drawings etc.
Folks should be aware that if a company decides to use ideas from their community, the credit for these ideas would reasonably be up in the air, if not fall under the name of the company.

Its a mess, the company cannot simply take another person's original idea (keyword, original. Which means instances where a person can reasonably come to a similar, if not same, conclusion would be excluded.)
But they can take inspiration from it.
There is more to this, but what has been said thus far would do for now to state the obvious.

TGC may not steal people's ideas if these were suggested to them and they work them into Sky.

[ocean grove]

Yep! Thanks for the help

[gusty tangle]

Awwwww su cute

[sterile orchid]

not too sure how the previous conversation about cute little, real life sea creatures, they could add to the game warranted a response about how a suggestion can't be too specific it's an important message but i don't think we're the ones needing to be reminded of it

[ocean grove]

Ok what light creature are Krill?
I could be very wrong but im pretty sure theres three main candidates, that being elder mantas (as seen in abyss murals), that one ancestor creature that looks exactly like one (as seen in the animation trailer), and whales, as they are heavily linked with wasteland (as seen in the map and entrance to wasteland). Is it all three, is there a definitive answer? Is it possible that they're all krills when corrupted?
(Sorry for so many questions today lol)

[half shadow]

short answer: we don’t know yet!

[lusty merlin]

The only information we get on krills is that they’re corrupted sadly, not on what they used to be or how they came to be. Like the switch trailer Is the closest similarly, but the small size alone compared to krill and the stark differnce like the light creature having wings and not horns and legs is flimsy at best

Basically they’re just there, they’re corrupted, and we don’t know anything else like what fish stated. That’s how sky lore is sadly, one crumb and like nothing else

[ocean grove]

Yeah i feel that
Good to know that no new confirmation has come out yet haha

[sharp lichen]

Key word is yet

We should make an animation project bingo

[untold notch]

that would require the project to happen

[sharp lichen]

As in a prediction

[untold notch]

regardless

[thin dirge]

Idk how to animate, and I had one planned for years

Also hi

[hybrid badger]

Gonna pop this question in
Been having this thought for a while but why do butterflies appear after clearing dark plants? They're trapped something like that?

But how do they get stuck in dark plants tho

[lusty merlin]

Darkplants grow fast I assume, like we have two mantas stuck between the plants seen in forest. Idk if they’re sucking the light or what but if mantas can get trapped, I guess butterflies can too

[thin dirge]

Probs landed on them, and then the other butterflies tried to help and go stuck....

Remember there were mantas stuck on them too

[hybrid badger]

No I mean how did the butterflies get stuck inside the dark plants
Unlike mantas they're not visible until you cleared the plants

[lusty merlin]

Oh that yeah no idea, sky is like that unfortunately shows a cool detail and never delves deeper into it other than “this happens”

Probably so we speculate and stuff and all but who knows

[sterile orchid]

i always just thought they were there to give you a recharge boost because haha funny wasteland water
never thought of why butterflies

[hybrid badger]

RIP my lore gotta make something up

[lusty merlin]

Feel free to! I have alot of personal ideas in my interpretations with no evidence but ig that’s the fun of it🎉

[sterile orchid]

i never found it :( i did find loads of funny videos and memes though

[vocal forge]

So, what has lore chat deudced from season of shattering?

[wild pasture]

From what I've gathered... Very little. The little that was revealed in Shattering was stuff already known/theorized. Shattering basically confirmed it, or showed what was already known in a new way.

I mean... Just look at the memories. A krill attacking light: we know they do that by gameplay. A giant whale... What new thing did we learn? Crabs and darkness plants... That one could have some merit, potentially explaining how darkness spreads. Mantas flying, we know this, at best it shows manta migrate in large packs, but to... where? From where? There are obviously others, but they're just as bare bones as the ones I've listed. At best, the one I've seen mostly debated here is the Eden crystal, where there's an effigy on top that could represent the King? Other than that, the memories are very bare bones, with little revealed.

My point is, I know little to nothing about the lore, and yet I barely learn anything I didn't already know just by playing through the "story". To my knowledge, maybe one memory has merit, the rest don't.

But what do I know, I'm a self-admitted lore noob, and I'm throwing out an educated guess. 🤷

[halcyon hull]

Mantas are ascending
Like creatures in other memories as I understood that

[sterile orchid]

we do know from the diamond memory that the elders were there when the diamond exploded but since we see it right after, where they're all basically just dying, we have no idea why

[wild pasture]

Okay, so my interpretation is off, but it doesn't change my point. We know they ascend, just by doing Eden. We learn nothing from the memory, and in fact, if they are ascending, we learn even LESS from it than I theorized.

[halcyon hull]

Well they ascending in stone
at least in a poems
This may have role idk
But yes not much lore

[vocal forge]

we can assume the krills came from the crystal or were around it when it happened. its interesting that directly after it we're greeted to whales. possible connection?

[halcyon hull]

These both are descending

[tawdry copper]

I like to think the whales are descending to fend off the Krills to protect the ascending creatures of Light, but they failed, and that's why we see so many Krills in Eden

Same with the Elders, tbh, it looks like they're trying to fight off the darkness from the Void of Shattering, but again, they failed

[halcyon hull]

Peas lore help

[sterile orchid]

peas lore

[foggy vault]

we boutta discuss sum pea lore..

[tepid veldt]

what’s the hottest pea lore yall

[sterile orchid]

OKAY SO apparently the "official flower of april" is the sweet pea flower. (or daisies but shut, this is pea lore)
so it seems we're technically still Bloom-themed even if none of the roles mention flowers

[vestal quest]

We need more lore peas

[rigid iron]

PEAS

[sterile orchid]

bea is a sardine though (haunted)

[rigid iron]

Seems fishy

[halcyon hull]

Soup

[tepid veldt]

does the soup have peas in them?

[balmy spoke]

I have a interesting theory about this

Light spreads darkness

We (skids) are darkness with out light, we have light appear from us, our heart is light, and when we lose it darkness growths appear, it's the same colour blue as well, and the models are interesting to look at (when the body is invisible due to bugs).

Light creatures are darkness when their light runs out too, the growths are much faster but it isn't endless growth, much like our little darkness shards on us, a butterfly just turns into a little bud, 3 a little plant, many a bigger plant. Essentially if you pilled skids onto each other we'd make a plant too.

The growths on our body is just the darkness taking over from running out of the inner light.

[hybrid badger]

Ayo-

[wild pasture]

This is actually pretty close to what I personally theorized about Skykids, and why we "lose" our luminosity (and turn blue) when we flap. I theorized that were born darkness, given light, and set on a purpose against those that bore us (darkness). Basically, as an ultimate atonement for the "sins of our 'father'", our "father" being darkness.

[south saddle]

jumpscared myself with this just now

this is not relevant but I needed soemone to know that I almost screamed when I saw it

[misty saddle]

Pea lore

[sharp lichen]

I have a whole video about it, would you like to see it?

[naive stratus]

in this situ-pea-tion would eden be. the mouth. where u get eaten.

[south needle]

golden wasteland is pea wasteland and "Golden wasteland" was just a distraction from skybot's evil plan

[round parrot]

pea propaganda

[south needle]

[thin dirge]

Peas.....

[brisk python]

new names for the realms:
isle of peas
pealight prairie
hidden pea
valley of peas
pea wasteland
vault of peas
eye of peas

[mint ore]

Peas of Eden

Peas of dawn
Daylight peas
Pea forest
Peas of triumph
Golden peas
Peas of knowledge

[flint bolt]

Pea kids

[tepid veldt]

not sure why hidden pea sends me, maybe its because its a singular pea whereas everywhere else is multiple peas

[flint bolt]

PEA FOREST

[inland cliff]

Peas was there since the dawn of isle
Peas have seen things
Peas have been to the great war
Peas have seen the great blue print
Peas have read every book, Peas have burned every book
Peas has conquer the Sky kingdom
Peas has now enlightenment into a being of pure peas

[forest mica]

peaden

[rigid iron]

MegaPea

[pastel brook]

-AI brain explodes-

[raw crypt]

season of prophepea

[forest mica]

Season of peaformance

[sharp lichen]

Helpeame

[fickle snow]

Pea this is true,i agrepea (sry for ping 😭

[rocky grove]

NOOO

I thought this was genchat for a second

[untold notch]

at this movement speed? not a single chance

[rocky grove]

it took me a minute

[nimble ingot]

Sorry for the late response.

This was typed up while convo was going on. I intended for it to be seen as a generalised statement.
Knowing how many fans of the game made suggestions, passively hoping for TGC to take them into consideration.
While folks would use speculate and become upset at TGC for taking these suggestions, and accusing the company of stealing designs/ideas.

That message may not have fitted in well with the convo, perhaps it is better suited for fanart or suggestions channels.
Thought to explain myself.

ooh damn, lol
Got haunted.

[frigid tinsel]

based username

[rocky grove]

how do I tell you these unfortunate news? this is April fools

[flint barn]

Peas fools

[lusty merlin]

Peas fools

[nimble ingot]

(I could have sworn that I would not put "Honking" in front of my name.)
Would mods/bots on this server change your username?

[frigid tinsel]

yea that's haunting

[ocean grove]

Peas. Peas.

[nimble ingot]

Behold, the one who summons the Peas.

[vocal crane]

[pastel brook]

owo?

[pastel brook]

[brisk python]

peabot please

[sterile orchid]

How's it going pea lore?

My discord isn't updating some of the nicknames and role changes so I need to restart my phone

[fickle snow]

context of chat today: PEAS

[sterile orchid]

I think all of today will be peas

[errant oasis]

[untold notch]

I really do hope an actual conversation happens I do find this a tad annoying

[sterile orchid]

Yeah, I can't think of anything to get something started though

[lusty merlin]

I can think of somthing: what regional foods/specialties would each realm have?

[sterile orchid]

Omg tac I just noticed

[lusty merlin]

:3

[sharp lichen]

Well, it depend on what food was eaten by the ancestors. If they ate light/light creatures, it might be something like:

Isle: Birds
Prairie: Butterflies
Forest: Mantas
Valley: Snow
Wasteland: Nothing

[sterile orchid]

VALLEY IS SNOW?

[lusty merlin]

notice wha?, i have no idea what you're talking about /s

[sharp lichen]

It’s a very nutritious and clean form of water

After all, snow cones exist

[keen shore]

There’s a lot of isle seasonal spirits with ts hints about preferring spicy food, for one

[lusty merlin]

oo yeah! maybe isle before had alot of herbs and spices originate from them

[sterile orchid]

Snow cones are not actual snow!

[sharp lichen]

Shaved ice, yeah

[lusty merlin]

i can see birds and mantas being used to hunt, we know this from dismayed hunter looking for somthing. Prarie i can see being more involved with farms and vegetables, lots of sun and clear weather so it a great place to grow

[untold notch]

my opinion is that isle was a big melting pot of cultures, what with all the people that traveled to and through it and the food reflects that

[lusty merlin]

oo yeah that too! especially since in the switch trailer it looked like tehre was a market place

[sharp lichen]

Hmm, we do see mushrooms grown in Wasteland as well, but they might be more necessity than cuisine

Though I don’t think traditional “vegetables” in our sense, were used, they probably ate a raw or refined form of light

[lusty merlin]

forest with how humid it is and rains like 24/7 could focus more on mushrooms and foraging, like lightbloom stew I can see alot of stews and warmer foods to help keep you warm from the rain

Valley i like to imagine focuses on hot foods, they live in the mountains so warm food would be rlly nice. Also can see them getting the most exports of food, concidering you can't really grow alot in winter unless you got a green house

[frigid tinsel]

Actually eating snow is bad for you because:
—it’s mostly air, so the water content is minimal
—you use your body heat to melt it, which is dangerous especially if you’re at risk of hydrothermia
—other pollutants can be in snow that you’ll ingest

[lusty merlin]

yeah i can see vegetables and fruits having a diffrrent structure, though to me i feel like they would mostly be like our food with a little sky twist to them

[lusty merlin]

yeah that too, like with rainwater you don't know what was absorbed in since they can carry bacteria, viruses, chemicals ect

[keen shore]

Forest probably has lots of soups in general; I’d be really curious where the ancestors there would have gotten crops from. Probably prairie and maybe wasteland?

[sharp lichen]

That’s not gonna stop me

[frigid tinsel]

Thats why You have to purify rainwater before drinking it

[lusty merlin]

have fun with dark sickness

[keen shore]

…New depressing reason for upper wasteland ancestors to have darkness sickness

[lusty merlin]

i feel like with a little engineering you could build a farm that can grow crops without just completely overwatering them, but i can also see prairie and wasteland being the main food exports

and OW salem

[sterile orchid]

OWIE

[sharp lichen]

The only clear real life plants are flowers, I wonder if they could be eaten or brewed? We do know tea of some sort exists

[frigid tinsel]

Perhaps that’s how many ancestors there got darkness sickness — before the Wasteland was a wasteland, the darkness could’ve been thin enough to dilute in the rivers and oceans thus not visible, making many not realize it’s not safe to drink.

[untold notch]

on the other side all of the vault scholars are really bad at eating so their food is more about getting nutrients

[frigid tinsel]

You can eat anything in Sky if you’re brave enough. In fact, I know a conniseur in the act

[lusty merlin]

ough yeah, that can definitely happen, and when you notice it its too late

[keen shore]

I am going to use this for evil! Thank you!

[sterile orchid]

SALEM NO

[sharp lichen]

WHAT DO YOU KEAN BY THI

[frigid tinsel]

So am I. Imagine ancestors getting darkness sickness and having no idea where the plague came from, all the while continuing to drink from the source

[lusty merlin]

you like the number 7, right /ref

[lusty merlin]

slow poison

[sterile orchid]

pls omg what is that reference from i get so confused every time you guys mention it

[frigid tinsel]

Salem wrote a fic

[keen shore]

Sky Italy: 😀
Sky Rome: 😐

I POSTED THIS IN THE WRONG SERVER IM GOING TO YELL

[lusty merlin]

yeah! a completely happy everything is okay and nobody is hurt fanfic that i adore <3

[sterile orchid]

can i read it

[white junco]

viva l’italia

[keen shore]

THE FIC. I WILL GET A LINK TO THE FIC IM SORRY

[sterile orchid]

i knew this was out of context but didn't know why

[keen shore]

Fluffy, would you be okay with me dming the link to you? The fic itself comes with some content warnings (eg body horror) and idk if posting it here would be a great idea with that in mind

[sterile orchid]

ooh yes that's fine

body horror is the most terrifying kind of horror for me but the fear is purely visual so i'm sure it will be fine

[frigid tinsel]

Relevant

[fickle snow]

whre is the fanfic everyibe is talking abt

[lusty merlin]

body horror my beloved

[keen shore]

I don’t want to overexplain the fic and spoil it too much but one of the characters has darkness sickness and is from Wasteland so I was going to use Alasdair’s idea on how they contracted it

[frigid tinsel]

Water you dont want to drink in Sky:
—Orbit’s
—Wasteland’s

[white junco]

dink my oiter

[earnest briar]

Orbit's water gives you a really weird trip, Wasteland's water just kills you

[white junco]

i have one skykid who remembers very little of their mothhood bc of wasteland water

[lusty merlin]

relevant regarding wasteland water

[keen shore]

I am all over the place still but on the topic of cuisine; I can see Forest ancestors having a lot of foraged foods in their diet, with some keeping small vegetable/fruit gardens (I think we see chuckle and daydream do this somewhat). I like to imagine the forest was a lot more lively in their time and they could gather food from it when crop exports from other realms got too expensive (as I don’t think Forest has dedicated farms)

[lusty merlin]

OUGH YEAH IMAGINEING COMMUNITY GARDENDS NOW

[earnest briar]

Consider tho: Rain has a garden they tend to specifically for when the other gardens don't produce enough food so that their people have enough to eat

[lusty merlin]

ow yeah omg, them learning green magic so the crops grow faster

[sharp lichen]

I’d assume Prairie has the best crops, given their elder has green light

[frigid tinsel]

I bet Forest used to have a lot of foliage that was edible in one way or another. The darkness rain would’ve killed them all off

[keen shore]

I like to think the area around forest brook is the ruins of a village; it explains all the hollows in the trees surrounding the water, since Forest ancestors seem to have mostly lived inside hollowed out trees

[lusty merlin]

YEAH THAT TOO, WPULD ALSO EXPAIN THE POTS AND LIKE THE STRAY BOATS AND BUILDINGS SCATTERD AROUND

[keen shore]

The only flaw in the idea is that there’s no furniture left behind, so I’m brainstorming saying something like… all the food and plants started to die so the villagers packed up and tried to leave but they never made it anywhere

[sterile orchid]

every time i come back into lore chat i get confused for a split second at tac's profile picture not being Sah until i remember what day it is

[sterile orchid]

forest end is also like, the only place that it doesn't constantly rain and there's lots of sunlight because it's also not covered in clouds, this idea fits almost perfectly

[frigid tinsel]

Salem got haunted with the worst name, I will fight a robot on your behalf

[white junco]

i think prairie elder’s pin poem references crops

[sterile orchid]

the wha

salem got un-haunted

[keen shore]

Prairie and Wasteland definitely seem like they would have had rolling fields of crops in the past. I would assume they exported most of the kingdoms food (except for maybe Isle; I can see them being independent enough to grow their own food)

[lusty merlin]

ough i wonder if they would be brave enough to suspend food export for valley when the war broke out

[frigid tinsel]

Feeding your enemies during wartime is a bad idea

[nimble ingot]

Curious Question.
Can Skykids taste anything? Or are they sensitive to darkness in food?

As in, what would be worse for a skykid:
The world spiciest chilli pepper?
Mankind's hottest hot sauce?
Any food/drink that has Darkness plants in them?

[wild pasture]

Considering they're likely a fallen star, do they even have taste buds?

[nimble ingot]

Betcha, a skykid would be an interesting contestant on the Hot Ones (a spicy hot wing show)

[sterile orchid]

the only thing we see skykids eating is like,, what i think of as cookies and bread
they seem to enjoy it, otherwise why would they be eating it, but also they don't seem to have much of a reaction to eating anything so it's hard to tell if they can taste

[lusty merlin]

yeah😬 just thinking since if tensions we're high pre war that they made it clear they wouldn't support them and food if the war did break out. but im also thinking if they feared they would be targeted

meant to reply to al's message above help

[nimble ingot]

In the Food tables, true.

We know skykids can drink teas/coffees/water, as well as food balls that are yellow like a cake/desert and white like a bread (like a bao bun) or theoretically most foods that may fit the context and/or look of the foods eaten at the tables and granny's meals.

You also have a valid point on Skykids being indifferent to eating food. Where a skykid can potentially go weeks without eating anything.
Suppose that the game does not include a 'survival' mechanic, one may suppose that a skykid needs light to sustain themselves. No matter if it is a flame, a friend, a candle or even the sun/stars themselves (when in outer space)

Thanks to this convo, I would like to propose a theory that skykids are like Wall-e, in Sky. (thanks FluffyFlowers)

▫️ Both arrived during or after mankind left the planet.
▫️ Mankind changes for the worst during the time they were away.
▫️ Skykids are tasked by an unknown being to journey through the would and cleanse the Darkness (similar to Wall-e bots tasked to clean up the pollution in the world).
▫️ Similar to Wall-e gathering up trash and compacting them into cubes, skykids gather wax from candles and compact them into new candles.
▫️ Both skykids and Wall-e hoards relics from the past civilisation.
▫️ Both skykids and Wall-e learned about human compassion/emotions through observing and empathising with memories of humans/ancestors.
▫️ Both would sacrifice themselves in desperate situations, which makes them selfless and compassionate.

Anything we would like to explore more on this?

[sterile orchid]

that's a very wild but fitting comparison

[nimble ingot]

Agreed.
Granted it is not an exact fit.

For instance, where would the elders fit in this?
Would they be the captain(s) of the ship, or the autopilot instructed to keep the ship (ark) away from earth?

Would the rogue robots be the crabs?

If the trash is the wax, what is the darkness?

Perhaps it is best I dont overthink it, lol.

[wild pasture]

To be fair, we burn darkness into wax/light, so it's still potentially similar enough in that vein.

[nimble ingot]

Hypothetically, a skykid meeting Wall-e would be fun

Wall-e meeting a skykid and the winged menace holds up a candle.
Que the robot panicking and trying to figure out why this small human likes fire so much, can miraculously survive falls and yet share in fascination towards hoarding mankind's trinkets like Ariel from Little Mermaid.

[wild pasture]

I think they'd share the same fascination with fire. Wall-E has the lighter, remember? And he seems really enthralled by its flame. I wish I was better at drawing. I'd draw a Skykid holding up a candle to Wall-E's lighter.

[nimble ingot]

aw ❤️
I see what you mean ^^

Fair enough, I was imagining wall-e worried a skykid would hurt themselves, thinking a skykid is like a human that is not fire proof.

[wild pasture]

Oh, yeah, that is true. He is rather protective of humans. You have a point, I could see him panicking a little bit at first.

[nimble ingot]

I wish there could have been a second movie.

Where eve and wall-e adjust to living with each other. Humans adjusting to living on earth.
Just the high jinx from Wall-e teaching humans about how earth is, vs the captain teaching the humans how to live in earth. And potentially wall-e and eve even learning about watching over kids.

[wild pasture]

That would be awesome! It would be hard to live up to the legacy of the original, though.

[nimble ingot]

True.
I'd say it aged nicely.
Not exactly like fine wine, but still charming.

Wonder what other movies/franchises folks would like to compare to Sky?
Just for fun

[tawdry copper]

We talking about WALL-E here?

[nimble ingot]

ye!
And its still open for you to add onto it ❤️

[tawdry copper]

Oh, boy, I am a HUGE WALL-E fan

Notice some people talking about a sequel, and I just wanna say: the movie is fine as it is. As cool as a sequel would be, as Draconys said, it'll be very hard to live up to the legacy of the original. And knowing Disney's track record with sequels, if they made a sequel to WALL-E, they might completely butcher it and everyone will hate them for it. WALL-E is an absolute masterpiece from start to finish, and I'd hate to see it get ruined with a sequel

[sterile orchid]

AGH randomly thought about this and my thoughts are Screaming

you know how,, everyone is thought of as a star,, and they become an actual star when they die & ascend to Orbit,, what if they missed the stars because they remembered the people they were fond of when stargazing,, and then they couldn't do that anymore

[south saddle]

EVERYONE FORGETS THE MARSHMELLOWS!!!!!!!!! skykids eat marshmallows too

[sterile orchid]

I HAVE NEVER SEEN THESE MARSHMALLOWS IN GAME

[south saddle]

THE MARSHMALLOW PROP?????

[sterile orchid]

THE WHAT???

[south saddle]

it was like a whole thing during days of summer

[nimble ingot]

ah true!
The campfire during days of summer.

[sterile orchid]

i've only played long enough to collect mischief spells like 2 years ago, then last year's feast to now i have never seen a days of summer

[south saddle]

i- .... okay well

[untold notch]

I wasn't playing but I know of it

[sterile orchid]

yeah i've heard of the event but never actually seen it 💔 or any associated items that i know of

[south saddle]

oh lord now im thinking of how I bought the damn lazy days umbrella and then immediately has a ts with an umbrella

[untold notch]

pranked

[sharp lichen]

YO THIS IS SO COOL

[nimble ingot]

XD
The one that can only be placed, and does not work like the carried ones.
Felt a bit scammy.

Low key wish props as big as that (like the tent too) would help protect skykids from rain and/or krill attacks.

[south saddle]

sprinted all the way to forest for this pic because I hate the ones on google

[sterile orchid]

that's so cute omg

[sharp lichen]

Days of sweeplight

It proves we need need Season of Lightseekers 6 (there’s the og, Assembly, Bloom 2022, Bloom 2023, and this)

[untold notch]

they also eat fire

[south saddle]

oh YES wait imma get a ss of the flaming marshmallow hold on

[nimble ingot]

Points for taking the time and effort. 👍

[brisk python]

I REMEMBER THE MARSHMALLOWS omg it was so cute

[sharp lichen]

Lightseekers cinematic universe when

[nimble ingot]

Lightseekers have been in more events than other seasons. (not complaining)

Though hope other seasons also get to play with events (like how enchantment and assembly started dipping into the event hosting game).

[south saddle]

GOT ITTTT

delicious

[nimble ingot]

that is one spicy marshmallow lol

[wild pasture]

You can also roast marshmallows in Aurora's concert version of the coliseum.

[south saddle]

OH YEAH I forgot that was there since I never used it lol

[nimble ingot]

One can use any flame to cook them sugary fluff balls.

[south saddle]

yeee.. fluff little flame ball marshy memmo

[nimble ingot]

Would be cool to visit a marshmellow factory in Sky.

[south saddle]

yeah, I wonder where the skykids get the marshmallows- they kinda just pull them out of a random pocket (???)

[nimble ingot]

Skykid have a hammerspace lol.
Skykids be like cartoon characters.

[south saddle]

mhm guess that's where they get literally anything they carry that isn't visible then- like spells n stuff

[nimble ingot]

I love how the lore would go as far as to explain how ancestors would mic paints, but say nothing to how skykids get a hold of half the items they get from spirits. Even if it would be an item from the ancestors that stood the test of time.

[south saddle]

yeah- and how spirits have seemingly infinite amounts of everything they sell to the skykids

[sterile orchid]

This makes me wonder how the closets work

[nimble ingot]

Right.

Reminds me of the sweet animations for TS visiting. Like the fire prophet spirit packing a bunch of pants in a suitcase. ❤️
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkSn3OgUc5E

[untold notch]

my opinion (stolen from alasdair) is that skykids project their cosmetics so the spirits aren't selling physical versions of them

[nimble ingot]

speaking of which.
Place your bets folks.

Would TGC put another spirit next to the closet again for days of rainbow (which I found a bit funny, but sad seeing the event deserve more attention).
I hope they possibly add it in a realm like in citadel and have the spirits ride a boat and tossing out rainbow confetti and the like.
Seriously, for the most colourful event of the year, it needs more variety to celebrate what the event stands for.

[sterile orchid]

My phone keeps not updating the role colors and nicknames for some people so I see astral as still being purple but also a pea

[wild pasture]

Usually, games like this don't explain why they have multiple protags. In most cases, it's safe to assume each individual player is the only one, and there are no more in the lore/story. Hence, they'd only need one item.

At least, that's how a lot of other MMO games deal with that little lore inconsistency. After all, if there really were millions of heroes, the world would never be in peril unless those heroes went rogue.

[sharp lichen]

It’s more confusing here, though, since you need multiple players to progress through parts of the game. Is there only 8 people in the lore? Here’s my explanation: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[wild pasture]

It really isn't, though. More confusing, that is. Most MMO have content like this, that requires more than one "hero", yet the lore remains consistent.

The main issue in Sky is that there are no other sapient beings alive besides Skykids. If there were still some remnants of sapient life, it could be explained away that the Skykids helping us are "mercenaries", so to speak. As it is, though, your theory is sound, and it works with the lore. I've been working on a theory of my own, one that tries to explain mechanics and such like that which would fit this conversation, but I'm still ironing out some issues with it.

[halcyon hull]

Yes you don't

[halcyon hull]

Just like real life
You can taste everything at least once

[soft timber]

on my way on a manta Am ready for the new wave of Moths because man can they be active

[sterile orchid]

[sharp lichen]

Not the most confusing thing said here tbh

[hoary violet]

peas

[nimble ingot]

[halcyon hull]

[subtle cedar]

back history, long long ago, alef, later king resh is the only one to ever complete the trials, and the elders are proud of him, and eventually becomes king. No one after alef has ever completed the trials.

As marlow falls from the sky, he crashes through the cave of prophecy, (holes in roof). The prophecy guide would like more people to complete the trials and "adopts" marlow as his teacher for new comers in the trials. He teaches marlow, Patience, Tenacity, Balance, and Courage and grants him elemental powers to help aide him in showing new people the trials. The prophet guides hope is that by allowing marlow to teach newcomers Patience, Tenacity, Balance, and Courage, like what the prophet is showing marlow to show to other people , that one day marlow will be extremely good at these things and become strong like alef, the only completer of the trials ever.

few years go by and the prophet guide sees marlow has proved that he matched up to what alef was and is free to leave the cave of prophecy to explore and give his gift to teach others the things he has learned, his elemental powers are now there to protect himself and others as he journeys through the various realms finding new people, and spirits and making friends and teaching them the lessons he has learned from teaching people in the trials.

He gets to the golden wasteland where marlow encounters his weakness, darkness. His elemental powers stop working as his feet sink into the contaminated soil. He trys to traverse through, but the water and dark crabs are too much for him. He begins to feel exhausted from the draining energy of the darkness. before he gives up and sleeps on the soft sand, he is greeted with a very angry krill. Marlow trys to flee but without his powers he isn't able to escape, and is knocked out cold.

some lore discussion of my character

marlow: (calm form)

thought you might enjoy some lore that i researched to my sky kid

[dull seal]

So is the Eden Crystal just a giant Shared Memory gone wrong?

[lusty merlin]

It’s more of the material (darkstone) memory crystals are made of, not that it’s an actual giant memory crystal if that makes sence.

Like a lot of us think the diamonds we light up to power doors, boats, memory lanterns, lights, electric gutair ect are made from darkstone, and all have different functions.

Memory crystals to me would just be another type of technology with some possible magic helping them do what they do

[ocean grove]

Speaking of this, is it just me or does all the things like shared memory's being darkstone now feel kinda like we're just repeating darkstone era?
Like with shattering shards and season of flight it feels like sky has been getting more corrupt, like we're repeating past mistakes
Idk i could be reading to much into it but its been bugging me for a while

[sterile orchid]

i,, yeah that does line up actually

[fickle snow]

laughs in i never use shared memories and i wasnt in season of fligt, therefore i am light-ologist (echologist)

[halcyon hull]

It's actually different
Because skykids don't need sacrifices to make darkstone work and spirits
probably I'm not sure
But doesn't it means

@lusty merlin is still Mekh lover

[ocean grove]

Oh, good point considering its just spells
That does make me feel a little better about it but the shattering shards and such still worry me a little lol

[lusty merlin]

Huh I swore I changed that

[halcyon hull]

It's fate

[lusty merlin]

Anyways To me it’s more like skykids finding remnants and just making use of them. Like we’re not making more darkstone, we’re not mining the ground or hurting anymore creatures for them. We’re more of dusting off old stuff we find useful. Ancestors produced darkstone because their civilation needed it, and evolved it it. Skykids don’t need that really, they don’t really live as a civilation with jobs or rules they have to follow, they’re just kids doing their own thing

I think I fixed my name (ya I did it’ll probably take awhile to register tho)

[ocean grove]

That makes alot of sense
Good to know no mantas are being juiced for our shared memories

[lusty merlin]

Yeah plus like if that unfortunately was the case, I feel like sky would give some sort of hint, even if it would be super vague.

But also since the game is targeted for a broad age range, having the skykid you play as be apart of juicing mantas would really not go over well with a lot of folks

[ocean grove]

Haha yeah i imagine
But you're right, and they could probably hint at it in a way that would be recognizable without having to bust out the juicer

[lusty merlin]

Yaya I feel like it would be similar to abyss murals, showing the mantas and then the diamonds side by side