lore-discussion-spoilers

[native galleon]

or do you mean treasure reef?

[static zephyr]

Both.

[native galleon]

it’s gw it’s all krill territory

[static zephyr]

Touché

Getting back onto my topic real quick we don’t know what happened to the other sky kids that either ended up in our void similar to ours whenever we got petrified or they are in a suspended sleep?

[floral skiff]

I'm a little more concerned about the statues that are on battle field and dark dragons

[static zephyr]

Probably what remains of the spirits that were killed in the war or Civil War that happened

[final trail]

gay

[frigid tinsel]

The petrified ones in stormlock? I see it as we free them by giving them our winged light. You can see them ascend to Orbit with us

[hushed steeple]

I had a dream once the new season was a wastland like area where every 20 seconds a massive blue light will sweep overhead and if you are not under cover when it does you are dead. King beam or something.

[floral skiff]

finally dark dragon whisperer

[rare fox]

someone can tell me if the giant krill in the final quest from season of abyss have a name ?

[cold sparrow]

no official name
I believe the community calls it leviathan or king krill for the most part

[half shadow]

yes. its name is ||my friend :)||

[frigid tinsel]

names for the big boi I've seen: leviathan, shadow leviathan, dark leviathan, great leviathan, Kraken Leviathan, Levi, Ruby, king krill, mega krill, Big Fish, giant fish, krill mother, elder krill, manyeyes, Many-Eyed Beast, fluffy, Spikey, Jorm the Worm
there hasn’t been an official name yet tho Tethy referred to it as “the big guy” for the poll of the week: #polls message

[half shadow]

the Big Friend

[spring python]

Mr Bombastic

[deep osprey]

Poor twirl

[sterile orchid]

TWIRL HAS LEARNED MAGIC!! I'M SO PROUD OF THEM

[torn socket]

Does sky's realms have thing like paper and books ? Since the memory cube kinda remove them

[sterile orchid]

there's a book in the starlight desert for the geographer, but that area is in kind of a limbo of canonicity so i would take it's existence with a grain of salt (it also seems to just be a book-like rock with murals drawn on it)

it seems most, if not all, of the history recording in the world is done through murals and the memory lanterns

[frigid tinsel]

there is a bald spirit in Apologetic Lumberjack's spirit memories who is reading a book and Timid Bookworm's spirit memories features them reading from a book too

[sterile orchid]

there is also the forgetful storyteller so i think books are like, 90% just stories since the history is recorded in so many other ways

[cold sparrow]

I think it's more that memory lanterns are like an audio-video recording medium, while books are for pictures and written words
like, we have videos and film and dvds and all that, but we also have (and use) books
they just have different purposes

[half shadow]

i think the lanterns can also record projections too

[wild pasture]

Basically, books exist, but they're predominantly switching to an audio-visual medium in memory lanterns. They've entered their "digital" age.

[tranquil quiver]

What if skykids never get cold? Constantly at a comfortable and warm temperature.
The only instances where they get cold would be in situations that harm their light. That being said, the last area is really cold.

[sharp lichen]

I think this is true, since they shiver when they’re running out of light

[vocal forge]

Isnt there something similiar in stormlock where in the final area a red lighht sweeps over it? Has that been theorised and explained?

[sharp lichen]

The red light comes from the large red diamond, which we more clearly see in the Shattering memories

[hushed steeple]

Sorta. Haven't played eden since its been implemented. But this was not a spotlight. The entire map turned blue except for places under cover.

[vocal forge]

No no i meant after the point of no return once you reach the harshest part theres a red spotlight that looks over the place and if you get caught you get caught in a meteor shower

[hushed steeple]

Yeah. I guess its like a hybrid of that. I feel like it did not summon rain though....I feel like if you got caught in the 20seconds blue, it would summon.....something else.

[vocal forge]

other cycles ive watched

piggybacj walks out,twirl follows him. he breathes in he breathes out then he does a levitating motion, and a final yoga pose. he walks back to the tent and sits down. he watches twirl do all the little things. twirl looks at him. piggyback looks at twirl. they stare at each other. then he walks out. twirl sits down as he walks over to a patch of grass. breathes in. breathes out. he doese the pointing up emote. then he does the fnishing yoga pose. he walks back to the tent and twirl kneels to him as he leaves. piggyback does not acknowledge it. Piggyback sits in the tent, as twirl throws a little tantrum outside over not being able to do magic. I think its just repeating, as the next time he does it, piggyback looks at him languidly but copies his final pose. then they do the grass summoning spell together after twirl learns how to do that.

crabwalker kneeels before the flowerbath, and there's a line of magic around her. she does the summon butterfly pose, and then bows. she goes back to the tent. she does this every five minutes.

casual and dh5 dont do anything.

[halcyon hull]

And many-eyed monster

[sterile orchid]

doublefive waits for you to give them the jam together prompt, and if you say no, they use the emote which is interesting

[fickle snow]

Am i going colorblind… or t that is green light?!

[sterile orchid]

that's what i'm thinking too! so far it just looks like a small light with some leaves flowing behing it though

[fickle snow]

Many things:
1: is that the enchanters making fireworks for askinf for help?
2 those looks like the lightseeker of the hat.-flat-hat and shush, like of they were like trading with vault? Idk
3 those look like minners, and flat-hat dudes, it has somme implication in lore or smt?
4: it looks again like the flat hat dudes and minners, but it looks like they were.. praying? Idk
5: isnt that the quad manta?

[sterile orchid]

all of these murals are the story that happened before the enchantment crew's boat crashed in the area (i think)

the first one is them using lights, something we see directly in the season quests so it feels pretty obvious
the second one is either the enchantment crew teaching or learning how to use the lights with the ancestors who live in vault (and probably the lightseeker crew in general)

3 and 4 looks less like it could be about miners, and more just. people holding umbrellas. what that means for either interpretatio i have zero clue
the last image is basically just nodding muralist wanting to put some light creatures up there i think.

and on the other side of the boat, which you don't have in any of these images, is a depiction of a storm - complete with lightning - which definitely looks like the reason they crashed in the first place

[lilac wharf]

Anyone in here got any clue what the light that spawned now that we're 4 days into Days of Bloom 2023 in the Forgotten Ark is meant to be? The one circling the Season of Enchantment guide's valley/oasis. It doesn't look like the Season of Enchantment crew's colored lights and appears to be using a more subdued version of the spirits' when their memories have finished being relived and they're heading to the temple/sky.

[halcyon hull]

Something butterfly related

[sterile orchid]

it's supposed to be the petal trail for the event! right now it's just like, leaves? a tiny, 'baby version' of the green light

[lusty merlin]

Might be looking way to into it but the fact valley which a lot of us here including me, associate it with the prime of the power diamonds. I find it interesting but also sad it basically suffers from light pollution, like what a lot of huge cities do it it’s own way, blinded from the stars. Like valleys foundation is built around darkstone! If i REALLY wanna reach, I could say it’s a metaphor on how the kingdom was so enamoured with darkstone itself that it completely got snuffed out what’s really important: life, the stars, ect.

Like I don’t even think this is twilight where the sun rises, I genuinely think that’s all eden’s doing

Maybe pre disaster the beam was much more controlled and dimmed but still

[sterile orchid]

where even are you

[lusty merlin]

Aurora concert, used the wings cuz I needed refrence pics and noticed this

[sterile orchid]

that still looks like the middle of nowhere

[lusty merlin]

Ontop of the temple, I thought there would be stars cuz that’s the reason I went but there’s none ;-;

[sterile orchid]

actually now that i think about it the only place i remember seeing stars in the elder cutscene.
you know, the place that isn't exactly real

[lusty merlin]

Yeah like the twins have stars but in the actual world they’re gone

Wondered if they missed the stars

[sterile orchid]

that might make me actually cry if i think about it for long enough omg

[lusty merlin]

Would fit with the whole darkstone pollution and production thing too, light pollution would be a nice sour cherry on top of the manta killing, factories, and everything

Everytime I find another environmental detail about Valley and what it could’ve been like pre disaster i sob

[sterile orchid]

at least it still has the same kind of aura about it but at what cost did it get like that

[lusty merlin]

Hh yeah

[lusty merlin]

Thinks of the boat under the icerink, why a boat? And why in the icerink? Then I realized like, that area of valley isin’t at the peak of the mountain, actually most of valley is near lower peaks that could definitely melt. Would explain the drop off too, summer comes, water runs, and boats can fly and float in the water too, even dreams ice rink is MASSIVE and would practically be like Venice if it melted, then I imagined Valley Venice and it clicked.

That’s my personal theory/hc but it’s cool to think about

[sterile orchid]

i had flashbacks to the elder memories and just. you know how they all seem to just kinda Be somewhere? how much of that is the space they're actually in, and how much is the place they wish they were

we're back around to making me sad

[lusty merlin]

OUGH

Daleth wanting to be with birds

Ayin maybe wondering ehat happened to eden (one I’m most unsure about)

Teth their anvil and workspace

Twins coliseum

Tsadi their temple to guard

And Lamed near their shrine surrounded by the other elders

[tulip ocean]

I missed reset i just woke up…
THIS ISNT GEN IM SO SORRY

[sterile orchid]

Tsadi also gives me PTSD vibes with how they fall out of the sky and instantly start attacking Nothing so it's probably not entirely that they want to be guarding the temple but it's just the place with the strongest memory

[lusty merlin]

YEAH TEAH YEAH JUST THEIR FIRST ACTION IS TO PROTECT US

TYEN THEY COLLAPSE AND WE HELP THEM

ha funfact ha: the music played in their cutscene is named “Two Hero’s” :)))) we and dusk are the two hero’s :,)

I love this lad so much they went through so much: fighting side by side with their people, which mind you, practically rarely happens in fiction, and when it does, said ruler is adorned in fancy clothes and the best armor to show their status (cuz it’s usually fantasy kings)

But Tsadi isn’t they just.. Their cape is torn, they collapse and are exhausted with only gauntlet and helmets being the sole piece of armor compared to their soldiers. I don’t care what anybody else says, because I genuinely can’t see Tsadi not caring for their soldiers. I can see them carrying as many wounded as possible, i can see them putting their lives first before their own, I can see them looking out for them and by god protecting them with everything they have. Every death is mourned, they’re not just numbers, they’re people, Tsadi’s people

Sorry for the ramble just oh my GOD I want elder content so bad I want to see what they were like

I can’t look at Tsadi and think they are war-focused and caring the minimum for their soldiers yaknow? Like alot of the times other fictional rulers only focus on how big the number is and if it outweighs the emeney. Like I see them caring so much for their soldiers well being, every single ones life is important. Like they were fighting and they were being destroyed, wasteland is just ruined but they kept fighting

Sorry I got a lot on my mind

[sterile orchid]

i have thought about this whole thing about 5 separate times since you sent this message bc haha brain is funny

anyway
the twin's version of the coliseum has the base of their shrine statue where i would kind of expect the stage in the middle of the actual coliseum to be may just be from an older coliseum from a really early version of the game that wasn't updated, but it tells me that their space is a mix of the temple itself and the coliseum outside which i think is cool

[lusty merlin]

Yaya! Like their home (I see the elders living in their temples),and the coliseum where performances, sports, shows, basically the heart of valley to me is intertwined with a place that would be sacred

[sterile orchid]

i also wonder who the gravestones in the temple are for, people the elders respected just as much as they were?
i could see it being a "hall of fame" thing where the longest-running champions of a certain sport are memorialized and the elders would obviously agree to that because that seems to be the thing valley was built for

[lusty merlin]

Yaya i can also see that, for me I also see like even the dreams skater could’ve been in it aswell, even when they performed once at the coliseum. I can see all sorts of people being laid to rest in the temple, artists, actors, champions too and even regular people, maybe ones the elders were close to as I personally seeing the elders being thousands upon thousands of years old.

So many would come and go

I already rambled on how happy the portrayal of death in sky makes me like 3 times already so I won’t do it again, but shaking my hands I love it I love it sm

[lusty merlin]

Anyways adore these guys 💖💖🫶

[sterile orchid]

i've been very quietly building up some skids that are basically the valley elders but. skid i may have a valley oc making problem

[lusty merlin]

Help me too

[sterile orchid]

i just need sah hair and i can start putting together cosmetics

[lusty merlin]

Sah hair is great it can go with a lot of stuff!

[sterile orchid]

so sad there's nothing that seems to mimic it so i can't even use a placeholder

[lusty merlin]

<—— completely bias

Closest I can think is baffled botanist hair with the one eye but that’s it

[silk forum]

im late to ask this but will the animation project reveal the lore?

[sterile orchid]

that is what we're hoping for

[silk forum]

also does seasonal spirits/guide stories connect with the game lore?

[sharp lichen]

Absolutely

[sharp lichen]

Not everything, since there is some stuff we already know, but I think it will expand on a lot of things

[lusty merlin]

I’d say they do in their own ways!

Short answer: there’s tidbit’s here and there, and rarely big story chunks but that’s pretty much it

Earliest seasons were always relive this spirit and that’s pretty much it. Ones we have now tell a variety of stories or would give insight on various things: Abyss showing the morbid power diamond process, to Remembrance shedding light on what it was like for refugees during the war. But they can also give worldbuilding that helps enrich the world, like windpath’s, assembly, performance and stuff. (addon but aurora would also fit for both of these: gave insight to a lot of things, some heavy and some that just cool and intersting)

It’s pretty much building on the small and ocasional bigger pieces to come to our own ideas with some enrichment added in🎉

[silk forum]

hmm alright thank you

[round parrot]

Hey lorechat, been a while.
Planning on making how fast/slow time flies in Sky, is it worth it? /genq

[lusty merlin]

Like in some areas it’s stasis, and in others it’s rapid like with the day chance?

[cold sparrow]

Your call! If that is something that interests you, go ahead and go for it.
Tho it's worth noting that the passage of time in Sky (or the lack thereof) is more of a gameplay construct that representative of 'reality' I'd say

[lusty merlin]

Yeah that too, do what you want🎉

[round parrot]

I think it is more of how often the bell in homespace rings (in-universe)
For example: How long is 24 hours in a Sky day? How many days of a year do they have? etc. (which I may answer)

Idk it's just that (my) skykids need to grasp at least a concept of time or I'll be have a hard time.

[lusty merlin]

Oo ya that would be cool to imagine!

But yeah like with rooty said about the passage of time: seems to be a gameplay construct

But feel free to look deeper cuz I also find the bell intersting, rings every 10 minuites I believe

[cold sparrow]

I believe it rings every 15 minutes, every quarter hour

[lusty merlin]

Ahh yeah makes sence

[round parrot]

Planning on using Days of Feast or Days of Fortune as a starting point or ending point (to a year) respectively

So I doubt my time calculations are not-canon in in-game lore

[lusty merlin]

Goodluck!!

[sharp lichen]

This could be interesting

Time doesn’t pass in all the realms except for Home

Days of Events are interesting because they’re more like mini-seasons

[slate saffron]

Kpversary

[slate saffron]

I'm kinda warry about making anything about how fast time moves in sky, because while the seasons definitely have some kind of rhythm to them in game, I've seen a lot of people argue that certain areas (like realms & whatnot) are in stasis.

& while it could be that the stasis thing is more of a game limitation then anything else, it can make it a bit hard to map it out.

Regardles, Best of luck to ye Myst! If it's something you're interested in it should be a fun thing to do nonetheless.

[sharp lichen]

Even still, there are still clear things that happen in the realms, like new seasonal events and shards

[sharp lichen]

They finally return

[slate saffron]

Exactly! Stuff like that is probably gonna help myst's project along (should they choose to, obviously. Don't wanna pressure them if they decide not)

[dull fiber]

I'm wondering if you can help me, please? I've been playing Sky for a short time, now, and while I like the game, I am at a huge loss as to what the storyline actually is. Someone tried to explain it, but even though they said that everything they told me is factual, they ended their summary also saying that they're thoughts. I'm someone who cannot immerse themselves in tragedy, and this is very much the outcome of the summary my friend gave me. Tragedy and sadness and unhappy endings and anything along those lines crush me and put me into severe depression and anxiety. The only bit of the storyline I thought I had discerned correctly was told to me that it was incorrect and it was something happy that I thought I had gotten right. I am extremely poor at being a detective and piecing clues together to get a story. That's not a strength of mine. I need help. If anyone can help, I'd appreciate it. I don't want to leave the game, but I may have to if it truly is a tragedy of a story to keep my mental health safe.

[native galleon]

Tac dropping absolute banger ideas as usual

[slate saffron]

I'm sure someone else can give a much better summary of the story than me, but I can say with absolute certainty that Sky is NOT a tragedy. It's all about the light, friendship, compassion, the cycle of rebirth & whatnot. Sure, it has some darker elements (like the krill, the situation in wasteland, etc) that some people like to exaggerate on occasion for dramatic effect, but overall it's ending can probably be described as positive.

[dull fiber]

So in other words, one day the Eye of Eden would be eventually destroyed and the world can be repopulated again?

[keen shore]

I’m going to summarize the story as best as I can while focusing on what we experience as players; if you want some more detail on pre-disaster things let me know and I’ll be happy to provide! Before I start, I will clear up what the other person may have meant. Sky lore is extremely and purposefully open to interpretation in a lot of aspects. The pins in this channel touch on this quite a bit. For what we experience as players in the current day, this aspect is drastically lessened since we have more evidence for everything, but if you wanted to get into older history of the world it would be more prominent. With that in mind, in this summary I will focus on things that are either strictly confirmed or very obvious.

[slate saffron]

Definitely. Of course, It depends on how you interpret the story, but things seem to point that way 👍

[keen shore]

The story we play takes place centuries after an ancient civilization fell. They were wiped out by a disaster that took place in Eye of Eden; the giant diamond you see in the last section exploded, incapacitating all their leaders (the elders) at once and spewing corruption into Eden and clouds into the sky that blocked the sunlight — you can see those over Wasteland. The results meant that the inhabitants of this ancient civilization — known as ancestors — are virtually extinct.

That, understandably, is awful. But the themes of this game heavily revolve around finding hope and community in the darkest of situations, and so this is where it starts looking up.

Our role is to free the spirits and take them to the elders to help them ascend to the Light, which is where they’re supposed to be, but since the elders were gone, they couldn’t reach there. The spirits can descend at any point to hang out with us after they reach the light, and they seem to enjoy doing so, giving us hugs and food when they see us. The elders are awake now; they aren’t doing nearly as well as they were before the explosion, but they’re here. As part of our efforts to help free spirits and wake up the elders, we’ve restored a lot of the world as well. It’s healing! Living ancestors themselves will likely never return — although we don’t know this for sure — but skykids populate the ruins in their wake and build a community similar to their own, made stronger by the intense darkness they have to face together. Tragedy is a major element of the story, but hope is even more prominent.

You can see this dichotomy really well with the Remembrance spirits, for instance

[dull fiber]

I was told about a king and a prince and stuff that happened during the trials and things and stars on top of the Isle of Dawn pillars. What's all that writing on the wall about?

[keen shore]

This is where we start getting more into speculation and theorizing rather than direct stuff, so peoples takes on this might vary — I’m gonna let you know that before I begin. This is a very up to interpretation character, even by the rest of the games standards

So ‘the king’ and ‘the prince’ are most likely the same character. You may also hear them referred to as One in this channel especially (short for chosen one) which is the result of personal speculation that a king label may not be entirely accurate. People may also call them Alef or Resh. All of these names are fine and they are the same person

Their story seems to start in Isle. The ushering stargazer spirit finds a skykid that fell into the desert from a shooting star during their memory. This is One. They are, to our knowledge, the only skykid that existed before the explosion. They are eventually taken to the trials, beat all of them, and are crowned in the ‘king’ position most people associate them with, which seems similar to an elder but for Eden. Whether they have power over the other elders or just that realm is foggy at this point. We also know they had something to do with the Eden Diamond because of the mural there, at the very least supporting its construction, and finally, they almost definitely died during the disaster itself. I do not use the word ‘died’ lightly here. They’re gone.

What exactly happened to them is the subject of lots of speculation. Some of the resulting theories include but not limited to:

1. They’re just gone, completely. You can’t find them anymore. The only traces of them left are implications we can find in the world of them.
2. They’re the kid we meet in limbo.
3. They got sundered into very many pieces and each of those pieces became a skykid. (You might see this one called the king reincarnation theory here)

Each of these have some degree of evidence behind them. We don’t know for sure which one is true yet, so right now it’s just your decision on which you want to go with

[dull fiber]

"Dead" gone or "disappeared" gone or "evaporated into thin air" gone?

[keen shore]

For that interpretation specifically, the last one

[slate saffron]

Isn't the king depicted in the Eden Mural during the Vault cutscene?

[dull fiber]

Those murals are a thing of beauty but make about as much sense to me as quantum physics lol

[sharp lichen]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

Maybe this document can help?

And yeah, what Strega said, Sky is not a tragedy

[keen shore]

They’re depicted in the Eden mural, although I do know there’s a theory that that’s our imagining of them instead of an actually true depiction since it’s so different from the others. There’s also another theory that it’s concept stuff that never got changed (because of the way the valley elders are depicted), so I decided not to put it with the likely to be accurate depictions. We can touch on it if you want but it is the same chsracter

[dull fiber]

So all the Elders, etc, we meet, they're all just themselves in spirit form? The only living beings are the creatures and us? And really, are we even beings? Lol I mean we have masks as faces lol

[sharp lichen]

Yes, the Elders and Spirits we meet are like ghosts; they don’t really interact with the physical world

[dull fiber]

Well this has certainly made me feel better about the game. I don't know if I'm ready to return just yet, I've been away for over 24 hours, but it has made me feel better. Thank you everyone. I really appreciate it I always thought that, even though the game will never get there because that would mean a definite end to the game, that everything being done in the game would eventually lead towards Eden's destruction. If anyone wants to DM me more information, if they feel comfortable, my inbox is open

Does anyone have any information about the individual realms? What each of their stories are? How they got to be that way? Why the people brought all this devastation upon themselves? I mean, how was the Doom Diamond (as I call it) created? What's the great significance of the stars prior to the Skykids? I feel so dumb 🥴🤪🤦‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤣

What be about the good and bad creatures? What are their stories?

[sharp lichen]

To talk fully about each realm could take hours, but I’ll have an abridged version.

Isle of Dawn used to be grassy and peaceful, but it turned into a desert.

The Prairie Elder has an apprentice in the Wind Paths. It’s probably the realm that’s changed the least.

Forest’s rain was created artificially by the Forest Elder.

Valley used to be the center of the kingdom of Sky

Golden Wasteland also used to be grassy, but constant war caused it to be far worse.

Vault of Knowledge was probably artificially constructed.

Eye of Eden was made that way due to the Doom Diamond

#news message

From other murals, we could see that the Big Diamond probably benefited the Sky people at first.

From the second Performance quest, and the quote “All are born by starlight” from the intro, we can assume that stars are the origin of basically everything in Sky.

Sorry if it seems a bit overwhelming

[dull fiber]

Not overwhelming at all. I want to learn even more lol I just wish it all truly was written down in depth somewhere so that lovely people like you can just link to something instead of typing it out all over again 😅

[sharp lichen]

I do have something linked above, and we use past discord messages for reference

[dull fiber]

That's already been devoured 🤣

[sharp lichen]

Now all we have is crumbs

You can’t fit all of Sky lore in a single discord message, or a 3 minute short, or a 5 page comic

[dull fiber]

LOL! Mmmm crumbs!

Oh I agree! It's just now that I've had a taste of the forbidden fruit...🤪

[native galleon]

interesting, in spanish it’s “the stars give us life”

[sharp lichen]

Same difference tbh

[sharp lichen]

I have some interesting theory videos, would you like to watch it?

[native galleon]

Yeah it’s just kinda cool how the translations of things give different insights into how things are, like the eden thing that came up the other day

[dull fiber]

This ghost would love them! I have no idea what happened to my nickname lol apparently they think I'm better off as a ghost 😂🤣

[sharp lichen]

You’re haunted

[dull fiber]

And just how did I become haunted? 🤣🤣🤣 boo! 😝

[sharp lichen]

I’ve been wondering.

The system for naming new friends in English is alternating consonants and vowels.

I wonder how it’s implemented in other languages, especially ones without vowels

[dull fiber]

Yes please, though for the videos. Admin seem to have too much fun with names 😝 I wonder why I temporarily became a spook? 🤣

[halcyon hull]

Not exactly like we have maskless masks no matter how strange it may sound

[dull fiber]

So what DO we look like underneath everything?

[sharp lichen]

Check dms

[sharp lichen]

Just a little black sphere for a head, nothing else

[dull fiber]

Well that's a little bit disappointing 🤣

[sharp lichen]

What did you expect, a mouth?

(Whether Skykids and spirits have mouths has been an extremely contentious long-running debate here )

[dull fiber]

Some sort of full body lol I remember doing a spirit (I think it was in Dawn but I can't remember where) where they found an entire child on the ground, asleep. That's why I thought they had some kind of full figure

[sharp lichen]

Ushering Stargazer, right

I think Skykids look like how we see them as, no real hidden secrets

2 legs, 2 arms, a torso, brownish skin, a black head

[halcyon hull]

What about their insides

[dull fiber]

Stardust

[halcyon hull]

I don't think so
What about flame? What about wl storage

[sharp lichen]

Yeah, Skykids do have a flame inside

[dull fiber]

They say their heart is made of flame. When we collect the winged lights, each figure we collect it from turns into stardust, so I like to think that our insides are also stardust but concentrated form thereof

I mean, seeing as how we don't have need of the bathroom ever...

[halcyon hull]

It's different
i want more mechanisms

[dull fiber]

I mean, we came from the stars. What else would be on the inside? Lol heck, we're all made of concentrated stardust in real life

[lusty merlin]

Oo i really like that idea!

Don’t know why but that reminded me of a personal headcannon I have for the “all are given breath by starlight” section in the intro sequence for how ancestors are made: I like to think if just one, or multiple ancestors want a child, they sculpt them from clay. And then bring them to their respective elder of whatever realm they live In to be blessed by them and thus, given said breath by starlight as the child is technically “born”. Frankly it’s how I explain why all ancestors have that small core on their chest like what skykids do, it’s where their starlight blessing would be. And the elders would be the starlight themselves :>

Skykids would also be starlight too as I see themselves being fallen stars in their own unique way

[native galleon]

I mean, it’s the same in Spanish, and my friend who plays in Italian also gets the same kinds of names. Don’t know what you mean by languages without vowels tho

[native galleon]

Another banger hc 😌 I love this theory but of course the silly goofy part of my brain is like, what if someone was just really bad at sculpting

[lusty merlin]

I can imagine since basically anyone can just make a child whenever they want, hell if it’s just one or two or three people, young and old they would have all the time in the world to learn how to sculpt and find their own style, can also imagine there being classes to learn too :,)

Like yeah you can always hire a sculptor. But I see the majority doing it themselves, the experince of learning and bonding knowing that small sculpture will soon be able to laugh, cry, smile, and run around is what many look forward too

To me that is

[half shadow]

this kinda reminds me in a distant way of that Robots movie when the parents order a kit at the start to assemble a baby robot, i always thought that scene was sweet as a kid lol

[lusty merlin]

Oo ya I remember that!

For me in sky with the whole elder blessing thing, it’s a little more ceremonial

[untold notch]

well

[sharp lichen]

That’s a skill issue on my part

[untold notch]

mood

[dull fiber]

I'm reading it, but it doesn't make sense by way of hearing the consonant "Alef" all the time 🤣 that's a lot of alefs to hear and say in a day 🤣

[untold notch]

I'm not a Hebrew speaker myself so I can't say

that may just be for writing tho? because the letters themselves have vowels in them you'd have to speak

[dull fiber]

Apparently it's the first letter of the Hebrew alphabet...it's also silent 🤣 the language already is off to a silent start! 🤣🤣🤣

[untold notch]

I'm pulling from memory of bar and bat mitzvahs I've been to, there were vowels in the spoken words

[sharp lichen]

Welcome to #hebrew-discussion-spoilers, I’m sorry I started this

[untold notch]

as much as I hate to agree with skybot I don't think it's that deep

[dull fiber]

For being the first letter of the alphabet, it seems useless apart from giving the vowels sound lololol

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/137073/jewish/Aleph.htm

[untold notch]

every language has quirks

[dull fiber]

I'll give you that one

[untold notch]

English has plenty of silent letters too, we're just used to them because we speak the language

my favorite example for this is queue in which only the q is actually pronounced and the rest is silent

[rigid mural]

tough though thought through thorough throughout

[pastel brook]

wow!

Who put all these candles everywhere?!?

[half shadow]

hebrew is such a cool language

[pastel brook]

Hmm, needs more crabs

[untold notch]

it's neat at least from an observer perspective

[static zephyr]

Wait if the sky kid is made of clay with that also means if they stay into the water for too long they will just turn all goopy?

I can totally imagine a sky kid just molding them self into different shapes when they’re bored

[sharp lichen]

There are usually 3 things that happen when clay comes into contact with water

1. They combine together
2. Clay breaks apart
3. Clay turns into sediment

None of those things seem great to Skykids it’s probably why rain damages us

[untold notch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/632004389137154048/1087568687273357323/IMG_6484.png

[static zephyr]

Oof

[untold notch]

epic embed catastrophe

[dull fiber]

I feel like rain hurts us because fire and water don't mix lol

[dull fiber]

TGC says they don't want to put an end to the game, for the game to keep going forever and ever. Well, there's one small thing (and maybe not that small): eventually, over the course of a few years, our capes will max out. The lore goes on to say that the strongest light will ever fully be able to conquer the darkness. So, what else would be left to do after each becoming the strongest possible on our own time? To finally defeat The Eye of Eden, get some kind of final end scene and that would be that. TGC said that they didn't want the game to end, but really, to have something without any end at all would cause things to get stale; it'd be years before that ending would come, anyway, as it'd take so long for you to actually max your cape out. It'd be like a never-ending TV series where the producers want to keep things going, but the story quality has gone down so much that they're losing viewers.

Once you finally defeat Eden, there could be an option for a cool prize or starting with a full set of winged lights so that you don't have to hunt them down anymore for your first go around, but your game and all spirits would reset and it'd be like you're starting over from square one again like you'd just installed the game. The only thing that wouldn't change is the friendship trees that you've worked on.

[uncut pond]

I don't think the Eye of Eden is going to be "defeated" ever, until TGC inevitably decides to shut down the servers permanently at least, and who knows how far in the future that could happen (and there's no guarantee that the staff working in the game will even be given the chance to make a "final season" if TGC decides to pull the rug)

Until such thing happens, the most possible scenario is that they'll just keep adding new seasons with new spirits and cosmetics with the occasional collab while the general status quo of the Sky world remains unchanged

[dull fiber]

Well, they can't leave people who have their capes maxed out without giving them the individual opportunity to finally be that shining light the world is hoping for. Besides, the game wouldn't really ever end even if there was an end as you'd just start back up again with a prize in your pocket. It'd be frustrating for people who have maxed their capes out to have literally nothing else to do. It would cause them to walk away from the game. That's not something TGC wants

[sharp lichen]

Who says our capes will max out? There’s as much levels as there are numbers.

The end of Sky as we know it is more of a gameplay thing than a lore thing, but it’s interesting to think about nonetheless

[dull fiber]

Well there's only so much space for embellishments before they run out of room lol 😂

[uncut pond]

With each new seasonal area, new Lost Memories and spirits get added, and so the maximum limit of winged lights obtainable increments

[untold notch]

I think the diamond has to persist for the shattering shards and their wl to keep being accessible

[frigid tinsel]

The lore goes on to say that the strongest light will ever fully be able to conquer the darkness.
source? /gen

[uncut pond]

(And besides, maxing out the cape was never really the thing most players are aiming for, most people play for the cosmetics and those aren't gonna stop coming anytime soon)

[dull fiber]

I'm not saying that it is, I'm just saying that due to space on the cape and how long a person plays, it'd be reached at some point

[sharp lichen]

Let’s calculate that:

[uncut pond]

Oh god not math /j

[untold notch]

I just felt a spike of fear in my heart

[dull fiber]

No, no math!!!!!

[untold notch]

like no shade I just am a little bit scared

[wild pasture]

They could easily have a colour gradient for the spaces on the cape. White = tier 1. Another colour... Blue = tier 2. Cape can now go to 30 wedges. Orange = tier 3. Cape how has 45 wedges.

Point is, there are ways to give us ever increasing cape "space" if they really want to. My idea is a bad one, but it's something I came up with in 30 seconds. TGC is smarter than me, collectively. XD

[untold notch]

they could always make massive gaps between wing levels the higher up you get

[uncut pond]

Real talk, I think the amount of WL per level is manually chosen by the devs rather than using some math formula, tho I haven't really looked into it so Baud might prove me wrong

[slate saffron]

It's actually impossible rn due to a wind barrier! So a sky kid will never reach the diamond : D

[sharp lichen]

I see we have finally become gameplay-discussion-spoilers

[dull fiber]

This is what happens when a newbie walks in (me) 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[sharp lichen]

For the earlier levels it was based somewhat in the Golden Ratio, but they ignored it for the later levels

[untold notch]

I mean we just talk about stuff sometimes

[frigid tinsel]

source?
cos yea, the winged light you need to level up increases per level, but it does not seem to be based on a pattern. it is cumulative but not in a pattern

[untold notch]

I don't remember the numbers or I'd be looking at this

[slate saffron]

A GHOST

[uncut pond]

Ah I see, so if the maximum possible level of capes (15th wedge) ever becomes achievable the devs could just manually make the 16th wedge virtually unobtainable

[sharp lichen]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[dull fiber]

Besides, I had no other place to put it that wouldn't be seen as a potential spoiler 🤣 so I put my thoughts here just in case 🤷‍♀️

[frigid tinsel]

Baud, you're not a source

[slate saffron]

Yes they are

[untold notch]

does the wiki say what all of the tier numbers are

[sharp lichen]

I literally put the source from the Sky wiki

[soft timber]

Heard prize in a pocket

[frigid tinsel]

you say "from the Sky wiki" but not a link or a reference to where in the Sky wiki

[uncut pond]

Here's an image from the wiki

[slate saffron]

Baud you didn't use MLA format citations & now you're gonna pay the price

[frigid tinsel]

huh, hasn't been updated for the 12th wedge, which you need 200 winged light/buffs to achieve

[untold notch]

that's definitely not the Fibonacci series or anything like that connected to the golden ratio

[lusty merlin]

folks who started playing since gratitude (2019) could get the two max stars like mid shattering i believe so thats like just shy of three years. And we got 5 stars so like roughly that would be 3-4 more years? maybe five for complete maximum wing light (im not good at math but thats the rough time estimate)

cuz after 150-200 it seems you need 50 wl to reach each buff now

[frigid tinsel]

it could very well be 100 wings to reach the thirteenth wing

[dull fiber]

Then a lot of people could possibly leave the game because of the frustration of not being able to get the 16th. Remember, they're as much of a collectible as cosmetics for a lot of people

[lusty merlin]

that too, so it can really chance until we see it for ourselves

[frigid tinsel]

well that's their fault in believing that the 16th wedge is even feasible when the 13th isn't even on the radar. every game has a max level, even ones that are conceivably infinite – the coding ends somewhere

[uncut pond]

Not really, they'll still be able to collect more WL, they just won't be able to level up and if they really care about the collectible aspect then not being able to level up further won't be particularly frustrating

And TGC keeps adding like just 1 or 2 WL per season so anyone that cared about collecting WLs would've given up long ago anyways (not counting spirit wing buffs for obvious reasons)

[wild pasture]

The 13th is on the radar, though, isn't it? Doesn't the game say "get X more to increase level" once you have 12 wedges? Just because it's a ways off doesn't mean it's not on the radar. As long as content continues to be released, and as long as new WL are given, th next level will always be attainable as long as it's not an arbitrarily huge number.

It's not our fault for believing that it's available, when all in game information points to it being available eventually, even if it's a long time coming.

[uncut pond]

That's what I'm saying, the max level will probably keep increasing at an agonizingly slow pace until like the 15th wedge at least, not sure about a 16th wedge tho

[dull fiber]

You've just proven my point that then there needs to be some kind of end to the game where they'd be reincarnated into a baby moth again because of there needing to be an end at some point. If there's going to be a max of something, then there should be an end to the entire game at some point. Otherwise, what's for people to do who don't live for clothing and shared spaces?

[pastel brook]

A "moth" is a new player. They have brown wings, they flap around uncontrollably, and they are drawn to flame!

[slate saffron]

I imagine that by that point the devs would work some kind of compromise in

[uncut pond]

There already isn't much for people who don't live for clothing and shared spaces lol, unless you like socializing (which is like, the whole purpose of the game)

[sharp lichen]

This is going to be heavily contested from me, but we’ll talk about that later

[wild pasture]

At the rate they're going, they could easily set the max at 20, and that would cover their butts for a good 10 years, lol. With 2 or so light being released each season, a season lasting about 2-3 months, and an increase of 50 light per level, it'd take us a long time to reach 20. Plenty of time to figure something out.

[sharp lichen]

I doubt the sky devs even know what the end of Sky will be, let alone us. They have stated that they don’t see Sky ending in the near future, so in reality it could be literally anything or everything.

[frigid tinsel]

thing is, 16th level isn't conceivable. at most, the max winged level may be 15 wedges. but the goal of Sky isn't to reach "the end of the game." as long as TGC keeps adding new content, we won't have an end. if you want an end, then it isn't going to be the 16th level, it'll be the 15th and that is so far in the future it isn't even worth worrying about at this point in time

[dull fiber]

They really do need to bring in more to do, too, and a variety of things instead of just the same "chase a spirit." I mean, you get spirits once lol there's not much after that except for visiting Eden once a week and collecting wax lol

[uncut pond]

I mean, there's the season quests and the spirits, but the season quests are really quick to do for the most part and so are most spirits (plus they're kinda repetitive)
There really isn't that much for people who aren't living for cosmetics when you really think about it

[sharp lichen]

One thing to point out is that the Sky devs have very little idea what the end is even going to be, let alone us. It could be literally anything, so speculating about it seems not worth it imo.

[sharp lichen]

Spoilering it because it's not really relevant

||To say that the rest of the game is cosmetics is not true. Again, playing for cosmetics is not the default way of playing. Just exploring the world and helping new friends is a great way to help people.||

[uncut pond]

The thing is that socializing can be really hard and exhausting, arguably more than grinding for cosmetics, and not that many people are looking in-game for friends aside from new moths who will drop the game in like 2 days out of boredom

The early game can be pretty rough and the post-game can get boring real fast unless you're actively going out of your way to socialize, and even then most other people won't

[frigid tinsel]

I just vibe in game, take things at my own pace. I’m not a completionist and speedrunning the game isn’t going to lead to a satisfactory experience

[uncut pond]

Wait I almost forget about music, it can be pretty fun to learn how to play songs in front of other players but sadly that aspect of the game is often overlooked

[frigid tinsel]

Relevant

[uncut pond]

That's cool, tho sadly not everyone can take things at their own pace due to how much FOMO gets promoted in the game

[frigid tinsel]

I mean, this is true for any game. If you focus on completing a game as fast as possible, you won’t spend a lot of time enjoying it

[pastel brook]

My theory is that manta's are really soft to pet.

[frigid tinsel]

Don’t get me wrong, there is satisfaction in completing a game, but that is not the only thing to a game. I have played Minecraft for almost 10 years and I have never defeated the Ender Dragon in vanilla survival

[uncut pond]

I know, personally I am not a completionist either, but I still believe that for the average person Sky can feel a bit lacking sometimes

[dull fiber]

For the longest time since chatting with you, I thought your icon was some kinda weird ape with a beard! 🤣 brain just figured it out 🤣

[shrewd mantle]

Yeaaaa once you do all the thing you can in sky it tends to get a bit monotonous. Only cr for the cosmetics and stuff. Especially if you’re either a loner or all your friends have left sky

[uncut pond]

I know how it feels to see all your friends leave Sky (or get screwed by timezones), and I also struggle to meet new ones. Worst possible combination

[sharp lichen]

I mean, doing stuff like on speedrun.com is fun.

The problem arises when people treat Sky almost like a job, as CR almost like an obligation they have to do.

Expending all your time and energy into candle running while not at least making an attempt to socialize in a social game makes you burnt out pretty fast

[dull fiber]

It's why there HAS to be a bajillion and one ways to keep players from getting bored.

[uncut pond]

I think a "bajillion and one" is quite excessive, but it would be cool to have more stuff to do. I think the devs were onto something with Prophecy and the trials

[untold notch]

they should add more quests where you get to do silly little things

[frigid tinsel]

Does there have to be so many things to engage all types of players or carter to a dependable playerbase who prefers a few specific play styles?

Yes I think there should be more things to do in Sky, but I don’t think they have to maintain player engagement forever. No game can conceivably do that. Some people get bored and move on — that’s fine

[dull fiber]

It's the fact that after two or three months of playing, you've done everything. That's the problem

[frigid tinsel]

Not really, no. Are you playing all day every day? People have lives outside of Sky — they can’t devote themselves to finishing the game like that

[dull fiber]

It's my fun way to say there needs to be a lot more to do 😅

[sharp lichen]

Again, if Sky is a social game, then the objective is not to win or to 100% it. You can’t befriend everyone in 2-3 months

[shrewd mantle]

I do get what you’re saying. It’s more of the matter that once you become a vet and do everything there’s really nothing new to do or stuff with a lot of variety since you’ve seen it all. Especially if you still want to be an active vet. Less engagement and inactive friends are the main reasons I dropped the game for a bit.

[frigid tinsel]

That’s a thing that’s true for every game. You’ve been playing for a while and, if the game doesn’t update, you exhaust all the content. Friends and multiplayer help you stay engaged with the game, but eventually they get bored or play other games or have to focus on their irl lives

[shrewd mantle]

Yea in the end the best way to solve the boredom is to take breaks to not exhaust yourself

[vocal lion]

Well, at least the flying is always fun for me.

[dull fiber]

It doesn't matter if you play all day or not. It doesn't take THAT long to find all the spirits unless you're deliberately taking forever.

@sharp lichen even with it being a social game, there's still the want for much more to do than what there currently is. Social game doesn't necessarily mean making friends with everyone. It also means working together on things that would need more than one person to complete something.

If they want people to stick around and play longer than a year or less, there needs to be a way to have more to do than people just helping younger players out because even that gets boring after a while

[sharp lichen]

More collaborative events is tricky, because does the playerbase even want that?

Many modern problems in Sky can be blamed on parts of the fanbase being annoying, unfortunately.

And it’s only natural that we would expect more out of our favorite games- I do, of course. But while we wait for our impossible wishes to become reality, Sky has never stopped being fun for the 3+ years I have been playing it.

[uncut pond]

I agree, stuff like skating with the skater in Dreams or diving into the darkest depths of the abyss just to get some small diamonds is pretty fun, I wish we got more of that in the future

[untold notch]

i meant daily quests but yeha

[shrewd mantle]

Yea instead of taunting a krill and watching a tree grow/hj lmao

[uncut pond]

Oh mb, but yeah having sillier daily quests would be fun too

[uncut pond]

Tbf the idea of watching the tree grow is to sit down and socialize (ew /hj) with others but yeah

[shrewd mantle]

Yea but most don’t. Instead you tend to stand there and just wait

What’s always funny is when a whole group of people surround a bench to take turns sitting for the quest to sit with a stranger

[uncut pond]

Tbh I think the game would benefit from having more stuff like the Valley races and the trials where you have some small challenge area and you can "compete" (or rather pretend to) with other players, like imagine if there was something like a smaller sliding race somewhere that was locked behind a two players door or meditation like in assembly, that would be fun and would also make for a cool daily quest

[sterile orchid]

completely unrelated to what's going on but i love this frog

[half shadow]

i feel like the subject of “is there enough to do in Sky” is very much based individual perspective. for some people it’s enough, for some it isn’t. though i’m sure most players enjoy new content just as a general baseline as well

i also think it’s pretty clear that TGC has settled into Sky for the long run. i can’t really conceive of them giving the game an ending anytime soon, though i do agree that they’ll need to be constantly adapting over time to fit players needs which it seems like they’re continually working to do just given the most recent blogpost. it’s pretty obvious they have these concerns in mind

ngl i feel like that sticking with sky being f2p is ultimately going to cost TGC in the long run

but that’s not really lore

[pastel brook]

???

[half shadow]

anyways hey guys why does hurt us but other water doesn’t 🤔 has anybody thought of this before

[pastel brook]

and thats all for todays episode!

Do you think crabs could be tamed?

[inner basalt]

Maybe.. good question skybot sproutbot.

[tepid veldt]

ill assume youre talking about dark water its probably polluted from all the factories and possible manta into krill production

[inner basalt]

Maybe the water was blue before it got polluted, just a idea.

[tepid veldt]

it would be possible since the water in forest is fine (although i guess thats clear but whatever its not dark)

[sharp lichen]

Kid named rain+ getting submerged slowly makes you die+ Trial of Water

[vocal lion]

I've wondered why we get rain sapping light from us, when we can also dive and swim.

[tepid veldt]

diving also takes away light if you stay under for too long. the light mushroom thingies are there to help us out

[vocal lion]

Yeah, and our characters also need to breathe

[half shadow]

(i was originally just joking about how this discussion always comes up without a clear answer) but now i’ll talk about it for real and reiterate my basic understanding that yeah the rain is polluted something fierce, meanwhile diving in non-polluted water is fine so long as you stay near the surface where the Light energy is most condensed (signified by light blooms usually) but the further away from the surface you get, the farther from the Light that the skykid needs to survive, so their own light starts to drain slower unless they find another spot where Light energy is more condensed

they don’t need to breathe technically, if they did then why can they stay underwater indefinitely so long as they stay in like the shallow part of Treasure Reef with the boat

[tepid veldt]

~~ok good to know you were joking i got a little confused ~~

[half shadow]

i also don’t think Skykids get cold technically, the emotes are basically just them mimicking what they see from the ancestor’s memories so they’re kind of pretending to shiver. cos they are little babbies

[sterile orchid]

i don't think they need to breathe exactly, while fire does need oxygen to keep burning on real life that's probably not the case for sky kids since they're magical little beings presumably made of pure light

i always thought the blue bar when diving is an extra bit of "light" before your flame starts dying out from your sky kid "inhaling" or, more accurately absorbing more water than they can handle

[inner basalt]

sorry

[half shadow]

oh no no need to apologize! you just reminded me of it

OH GOD IVE BEEN HAUNTED

[sterile orchid]

eye of fish

[inner basalt]

HOW ID YOU EVEN BECOME HAUNTED THAT QUICK??

[half shadow]

IM NOT SURE WHAT I DID

[sterile orchid]

it's a role randomly assigned to you, seems to be the most prevalent when people are sending messages in the same channel

[inner basalt]

OH

[half shadow]

discord’s haunted

[sterile orchid]

i have been haunted like 6 or 7 different times and it's funny because it's always when i least expect it or we start talking about haunted role

[inner basalt]

BELP

[sterile orchid]

i think like 3 of those hauntings lasted for hours but it was probably because i wasn't talking

[fickle snow]

Ahhhh, i hav e been rockple

[frigid tinsel]

They do shiver on their own if you leave a skykid in the rain for a while. Perhaps they can get cold but only certain cold bothers them

[marble lynx]

I swear, now I don't play Sky (I'm busy) and I'm kinda burnout

[marble lynx]

it will look horrible unless it's fanart

[cunning umbra]

quick everyone give me interesting facts and popular head cannons about the vault elder

[untold notch]

autism beaam

[sharp lichen]

Autism blast

[keen shore]

The entirety of Vault is depicted as their temple in an Isle mural. This means that instead of making their temple a monument to themselves, they wanted to make it a place where ancestors could live, learn, and study as much as they wanted :-)

idk if this phrasing makes sense but I hope you get the idea, I think it’s really sweet

[frigid tinsel]

while many Elders' hairstyles are said to mimic creatures (i.e. Rain Elder's resemble a jellyfish and Dusk Elder's resemble a krill), Night Elder's headscarf is reminiscent of the ones many ancestors wear. some adherents of the hairstyle-creature theory will headcanon that the resemblances is due to the Elders' fondness or at least connection to those creatures, so following that train of thought, Night Elder is fond of ancestors.

[sterile orchid]

reminds me of a manta and saying they have a fondness for creatures they seem to resemble made so so suddenly happy

[keen shore]

Holding myself back. Holding myself back. Holding myself back.

[keen shore]

Yeah, theirs is a manta!!! :3

[untold notch]

you're going to make a valley citizen joke aren't you

[keen shore]

No…

[sterile orchid]

every one of my thoughts goes back to valley, and especially the valley elders or how much i ADORE mantas. every single one.

[keen shore]

Did you know the colosseum is shown as part of Sunsets’ temple? Just as Night’s temple is the largest and most comprehensive library in the kingdom, Sunset’s was the most famous performing stage. Night chose to make their temple centered around knowledge and learning while Sunset focused theirs on art and entertainment, a place all their citizens could come and celebrate

[sterile orchid]

i was thinking about how the elder cutscene for valley is a mix between the shrine room and the coliseum just last night!! really drives it home that the coliseum is the temple it just so happens there's a room connected to it where their shrine is

[frigid tinsel]

you like the number seven, right? /ref

[frigid tinsel]

really hones in how Sunset and Night appreciated the skills and knowledge of their people

[sterile orchid]

i also want to bring this back down here to the more active chat now that it's uh. not 3 in the morning for me

[keen shore]

Thinking about this…

[sterile orchid]

they are just kinda There in the elder memories, how much of that is their wish that the world wasn't broken

[keen shore]

I think it’s partially the space they’re most connected to because the last 3 have theirs in roughly the same spot as the temple, but the first 3 are much foggier… maybe they’re starting to forget what their favorite places looked like, like how you start to slowly forget someone’s face

[sterile orchid]

Dawn being the oldest and very clearly has not been visited in much longer than the rest basically forgetting what their own face looks like represented by the mask having to be put back together:

[keen shore]

OH MAN. YOU

[sterile orchid]

ME?

[untold notch]

i think youve activated salem

[sterile orchid]

is that good or bad i have no idea

[untold notch]

's probably fine

[keen shore]

this is my reaction to that head canon (I am trying not to cry)

[sterile orchid]

I WAS TRYING NOT TO START SCREAM-CRYING WHILE TYPING IT BUT IT JUST FITS SO WELL

[brisk python]

AAFSYFOUHOHCUPVI

[sterile orchid]

oh hi vanya

[untold notch]

oh the words just registered I'm gonna go sob or something

[sterile orchid]

i'm sorry

[untold notch]

no it's in a good way

[brisk python]

IM SCREAMING AMD CRYING

[sterile orchid]

of course my playlist has to start playing Aurora music, which makes me cry, when i'm trying not to cry

[keen shore]

Man. I gotta wonder how long it’s been since any of the elders have seen themselves

[untold notch]

dusk especially, what have they become, what did their face look like beneath the mask

[fickle wing]

MY HEART. OW

[sterile orchid]

do you think they're even like, awake before we go to give them the light?

day was sleeping before we specifically went and woke them up during the cutscene
hard to tell if that's just bad timing or not
how long they've even been asleep

[sharp lichen]

Yowie

[sharp lichen]

Mirrors do not exist in Sky (this statement has not been backed by any credible source)

[sterile orchid]

salem sent that message and that was my first thought, now i've got all of lorechat crying

[shrewd mantle]

But water does so, and so does ice

[frigid tinsel]

the floor of limbo and frozen memories are reflective. there are mirrors on Gloat's island in the Starlight Desert, but they are not reflective.

[sharp lichen]

Fair enough

[untold notch]

I wonder why those aren't reflective

[cold sparrow]

because reflections are hard in games

[untold notch]

yeah fair I was thinking about it because of how mirrors work but theres totally also that

[sterile orchid]

my thought? they're covered in dust & dirt from being left outside for who knows how long

[frigid tinsel]

the frozen memory reflections are funny cos you can tell that the devs just made a model parallel the player's movement since if you lie down in certain poses, that model will peek through the floor and interject with your skykid

[sterile orchid]

really?? gonna mess around with that later

[cold sparrow]

that's basically the easiest way to do reflections in games
and for a mobile game, probably the most efficient

[untold notch]

try the deep bow or scared emotes that'll be funny

[frigid tinsel]

also in frozen memories, only your own skykid is mirrored, not anyone else in your perspective

[cold sparrow]

it's extra funny if you're riding on someone's back

[earnest briar]

I am going to believe that they dreamed and that their dreams are the reason their realms look the way they do. Like…Isle misses seeing their realm full of life but remembers it’s beauty which is why there’s still some flowers and grass on their temple island. Prairie remembers their realm as vibrant and beautiful, full of enchanting and majestic creatures. Oh I am so sorry I didn’t see the no ping part.

[frigid tinsel]

But yea here’s my reflection model peeking through and putting my lute on my chest

[sterile orchid]

the reflection does make for some really pretty screenshots though

handstand apparently phases part of your hand & cape through the "floor"
(these are old screenshots)

[fickle snow]

.. i cant belive that one message abt elders made me actually back read the whole thing... .... anyways, talking abt that, and what would that fit in by example, it seems like dusk was weakened/wounded or smt

[sterile orchid]

wh
which message about the elders

my brain is not able to put down words into a message at the moment for some reason so i'm just gonna go re-watch the elder cutscenes for the 15000th time so i can try to piece some thoughts together

[lucid bridge]

What is this glowing thang

[cold sparrow]

some flying floating glowing petals

[sterile orchid]

start of the petal trail for the bloom event (since you're asking in lore chat, it DOES seem to be a less powerful Green Light i only say that bc it's small, and green. it would very well just be a generic light carrying leaves or something)

[lucid bridge]

Thanks!

[grim horizon]

what kind of voices did the spirits have? asking this cuz for certain spirits we have to carry their memories in the circle thingy and sometimes when we're idle or leave the circle, they will call to us in a manner that sounds like a tiny cry

[sterile orchid]

judging by how grandma/belonging guide mimics our honk during their wax event, it seems the spirits had the same kind of voices sky kids do. probably because, aside from the base honk, they're all mimicked from the spirits in the first place

[alpine widget]

Guys, I think I just figured it out.

[halcyon hull]

Are they shiny or very deep calling

[alpine widget]

So, you know how you use a deep emote, perhaps the meditation one, and there are yellow circles? Or when you level up your wing buffs. My theory is that has to do with power. I think the story the trials tell is the first part of Edens story, then it is the memory candle in Eden that is the second part. Correct me if you have any other ideas please.

[vocal forge]

I know that the conversation has moved on, but I like reading up, and as a player of three years, and also one with 12 stars (astonishing), I find this is false. "There's still much to be wanted". Is a rather ambiguous line to say.

You can explore, take time to find every nook and cranny in a place., or you can learn to play music, i've perfected many sheets. You can teach yourself to trick fly to avoid krills, or even try going wingless. You can also even try out trials, and get really good at them. The trials are fun, if challenging, and take time to perfect.

I've made spaces, helped over 20 moths, and taken my time to learn to oob. There is plenty of things to do, to dabble in every sphere to get the most enjoyment. Even as my friends come and go, i assure you there is fun to be had.

[wild pasture]

I think the point largely still stands, though: it's up to you (the player, not specifically you, Fini) to make your own fun at some point. And for more dedicated players, that point comes quickly.

[vocal forge]

In that way it’s similiar to minecraft. Your imagination is your limit.

[wild pasture]

Now I wanna go mining in Sky. 🤣

[vocal forge]

Go explore a cave

[uncut pond]

The children yearn for the mines

[brisk python]

tearful light miner

[alpine widget]

@alpine widget does anybody have any problems with my idea? It doesn't sound right to me.

[lusty merlin]

I feel like the yellow rings would be consistent you know? Like crab walks lvl 2 emote has them so would that also correspond with power too? Feel like the elders would have those rings too if that was the case yet they don’t

And with the levelling up wings we don’t really have said rings, we just glow brightly

[alpine widget]

Wait, do we know who the trials elder/God is? I heard someone call them the prince or something.

[lusty merlin]

Ah they’re not the god of the trails but I’ve talked about them before let me find

[alpine widget]

I'm going to look at more lore that looks like it connects to this. He/she looks like an important character to the timeline.

[lusty merlin]

Copy pasted

the sky world is believed to be a kingdom, but the prince is a very broad subject

it boils down to like in the prophecy mural there seems to be a chosen one that could've very possibly be the same figure seen in the eden mural before we open the 2nd door to begin climbing the mountain. The prince/king names are from concept art, but some devs have mentioned the king very broadly yet that was 2-3 years ago, so its unsure if they're still even use those terms.

other than that there's nothing else on them: what they did, what they're like, how involved they were or their relationship to the other elders ect. absolutely nothing. Like you know they exist but other than that, that's all there is

[alpine widget]

It just seems a little, too coincidental for that to be the case tho, it's just how all the elders surround it. It seems important.

[lusty merlin]

That’s unfortunately how sky tell it’s story, it gives a piece of somthing but not the full image: we just know that figure in middle was important and the elders got the color lights, that’s pretty much it

[alpine widget]

||this seems a little too far fetched. But doesn't this seem like the end scene?||

[lusty merlin]

Like when you finish the game? No not really, I think it is supposed to represent the prince/chosen one but again, really vauge

[alpine widget]

||it just catches my eye how all of the manta are surrounding it||

[lusty merlin]

If that’s somthing you wanna look into go for it, but to me it’s definitely a mural to keep note of, but I can’t see it representing anything else than what I already speculated about

Also you don’t have to spoil text, this channel is lore discussion spoilers for a reason so anything is allowed aslong as it’s not beta stuff

[sharp lichen]

I will add on that just because the devs said something a few years ago doesn’t mean it’s false. If so, are we to discredit the base game lore?

And @alpine widget Interestingly enough, we do know that the figure you’re referring uses gender neutral pronouns, most likely they/them. But other than that, I do agree with what you say. The first and second murals do seem to connect.

[lusty merlin]

Never said it was false? Just saying the last time they were mentioned were 2-3 years ago so it’s unclear if the devs still have the same ideas before

[sharp lichen]

If so, wouldn’t they, I don’t know, at least tell it? If they chose to rename/change/remove a previously important character, they wouldn’t just keep it hidden. Dev speculation is something I am completely against, they could be thinking anything and we don’t and shouldn’t know about it.

[lusty merlin]

I really don’t know that’s what you thought I was saying but it definitely wasn’t, just pointing out how long they haven’t mentioned them, that’s literally all.

[alpine widget]

Wait, would if we're the character seen on the wall, it would make sence right? Because if the character was important, then the trials wouldn't reset. It makes their journey useless. But if we're the character on the wall, that would make a lot more sense. Yes I know a child of light is drawn with wings on it. But in the trials, you get your wings taken away. The character is also gold. And to add on to your statements, I was just thinking of ideas, I never came to a conclusion. I don't think anyone has here yet.

[sharp lichen]

I also might think that we are the figure on the trials as well. The ending song when we complete the 4 trials is called “Fulfillment”.

[hushed steeple]

So, how sad does sky lore get?

[sterile orchid]

Well I mean, Eden. Literally everything that goes there dies.
There's tearful light miner who is a spirit with the sad tale of all of their friends dying and leaving them in a sealed off cave alone

[cedar forge]

I was wat ill call a "funk* because not everyone care about my personal matters but as I was in this funk I come to realize the area you first encounter a krill looks exactly like the temple of Hidden Forest

[frigid tinsel]

All the ancestors are dead and many had tragic endings the more you think about it

[sterile orchid]

Just brought up the best example of that I can think of since it's such an obvious one

[quasi turtle]

Why it's look like there's three skykids holding theirs hand

[cold sparrow]

that's a symbol you can also find on the stone plate at Home
and that looks a lot like the figures of skykids holding hands you can see while flying through Orbit
might just show that all skykids eventually return to the light/megabird?

[frigid tinsel]

Fun fact: the constellation table at Home used to only have a cape

[sterile orchid]

i KNEW the constellation table changed at some point while i wasn't playing!!

[runic tiger]

I didn't expect that the spirits for season of rhythm are also spirits of the season of performance

[sterile orchid]

rhythm guide and performance guide are twins and we love them both

[sharp lichen]

If I’d have to put a number on it, I’d say it’s 6/10 in terms of sadness

[sterile orchid]

yes i know this is very old by now BUT it was on my birthday so i didn't have a chance to see it and only thought to look now
i visited this oob thing last week and was so confused about when in the cutscene they were in anything even close to that pose i never put it together that it could be the end because they're so tiny and blurry there

it's super nice to just go visit them :) they're in such good poses for fun pictures

[austere bridge]

crab whisperer posting:
#sky-memes message
(we love crab whisperer here‼️)

[keen shore]

👁️👁️

[brisk python]

TOOK YOU LONG ENOUGH TO SHOW UP /j

[keen shore]

Sorry I was stuck in the cat carrier 💔💔💔💔

[sterile orchid]

omg

tearful light miner has actually been mentioned twice today and it only now managed to summon you

[keen shore]

Oh my god now I have to find the other mention

[keen shore]

I FOUND IT. WERE YOU GUYS TRYING TO SUMMON ME ALL DAY

[sterile orchid]

NO it was just the best example of depressing story

[brisk python]

TEARFUL LIGHT MINER

[keen shore]

👁️👁️

[sterile orchid]

your use of the eye emojis gets me every time

i still have yet to make myself some food so i need to go do that i'll brb

[keen shore]

😁 ☹️

[eternal totem]

Tearful Light Miner (happy)

[sterile orchid]

that is
the perfect nickname you could have given me, haunted role
welcome to Fluffy's Haunted AGAIN

[eternal totem]

Don't has treats

[keen shore]

No treats? Leaves sadly

[eternal totem]

Pspspsps

Gives you a potion (sinister)

[sterile orchid]

what does the potion do

also i don't have the role anymore and i also have things to eat so i guess that means i now Have treats?

[untold notch]

sinister things

[tepid veldt]

i like sinister things

[fickle wing]

oh my god……….a sinister effect

[frigid tinsel]

Potion of Sinister — 8:00

[sterile orchid]

what kinds of sinister things can it do

[keen shore]

well let’s just say… there’s a reason everyone is dead

[round parrot]

old age

[sterile orchid]

are you telling me you made eden explode?

[brisk python]

you souped everyone

[sharp lichen]

What did they mean by this

[sterile orchid]

it's a sinister potion as a treat

[eternal totem]

Have a sip and find out

[kind sun]

In eye of eden, After giving your winged light to the fallen stars / shrines, You enter another stage. After a while you find some kind of "King" Jellyfish or something. After, there's a tunnel with multiple structures falling left and right, One of wich is too big and blocks the way, Until, Out of the clouds, Some kind of worm goes trough this structure with ease, Breaking it. Does anyone know what is that thing supposed to be? Does it have a name or resembles anything else in the game? Or can you see it anywhere else?

[sharp lichen]

I believe it’s a whale

[kind sun]

Can you find it anywhere else in the game? Does it have a name?

[eternal totem]

Forest underground caverns entry cutscene, transition from Valley temple to Wasteland social hub

[shrewd mantle]

And the last area in hidden forest before you get to the meditation shrine to go to the next realm. Well… the bones at least. That’s where you get the whale call

[sharp lichen]

And the world map and the ancient memory in Season of Shattering

[sterile orchid]

those creatures are called whales! you get a call from bones that seems to be from that creature, and the icon of the call appears to be a fish: something which the sky whales resemble more than actual whales (and the spirit for the call in the constellation is "whale whisperer" which is where the name comes from)

there's also which is an emoji of the creature, and has the title of "whale" attached to it which makes it pretty obvious they're called whales

[keen shore]

Whale whisperer mentioned I have appeared agin

[untold notch]

whales my beloved

[sterile orchid]

so you just appear whenever we mention spirits that could be considered soup?

[untold notch]

... xe might

[brisk python]

tearful light miner

[keen shore]

YOU

[vocal forge]

Tearful light miner

[keen shore]

YOU.

[untold notch]

candlemaker? or are they just scrambled

[brisk python]

me
OOPS SORRY FORT HE PING

[halcyon hull]

Joyful light miner

[young lynx]

[crimson bone]

Noticing that there's grass and flowers slowly forming at the forgotten ark area near the other sapling spirits, tells me that in the near future updates— sky will slowly restore back to what it was once before just like that flashback during the aurora concert of the isle of dawn memory

[pastel brook]

I run from the liars, the fuel on the Trial of Fire

[sterile orchid]

unfortunately the ark will only be getting the grass for days of bloom 💔 inbox message even says it'll fade in the last few days so it seems that the ground can't grow grass without lights constantly being used (or it's just to make bloom special, hoping it's that)

[brisk python]

i just remembered i had a thought while i was trying to nap:
during the season of performance, it's the first(?) instance of actually seeing our skykid speak actual words

[sterile orchid]

i just remembered that happened at all

[vocal forge]

proof

[sterile orchid]

my image of more verbal sky kid/ancestor language has always been hand gestures and honking but it's always in actual words in the game
most likely because that's the only way we'd be able to understand what they're saying and not have to guess what means

[brisk python]

play the performance quests?

i guess i'll go find it since you dont seem to believe me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shhelGVbIxc&ab_channel=nastymold nastymold's video, as listed on the wiki

there's your proof. @vocal forge

[regal rock]

Hi people!!! I was wondering what’s the best source for finding lore about sky! Like maybe a written thing or a video?

[sterile orchid]

there's a few different resources you could use as starting points buried in the pins somewhere, pretty sure there's a whole doc to introduce new people to the giant puzzle that is sky lore but i don't have the link

[sly edge]

Not canon lore but look what chatgpt spat out when i told it to write a mockup sequel plot for sky cotl:

This darkness grew and spread, swallowing up everything in its path. It consumed entire civilizations, leaving nothing behind but emptiness and despair. The Children of the Light watched from above, unable to enter the Void without being consumed themselves.

But within the Void, there were whispers of hope. Children of the Dark, born of the Void itself, began to band together. They discovered that they had the power to resist the darkness, to create pockets of light where they could find safety and sanctuary.

As they grew stronger, the Children of the Dark began to explore the Void, searching for a way to push back against the darkness and bring light to the land once again. They formed alliances with other beings trapped within the Void, including lost spirits and creatures of shadow.

With their combined power, the Children of the Dark began to push back against the darkness, carving out pathways of light and reclaiming lost territory. But the darkness was not easily defeated, and the Children of the Dark faced many trials and tribulations along the way.

As they journeyed deeper into the Void, they discovered that the darkness was not simply an absence of light, but a malevolent force in its own right. They encountered twisted beings and malevolent spirits that sought to snuff out the light wherever it shone.

But the Children of the Dark were determined to bring hope to the Void, and they fought with all their might against the darkness.```

[sterile orchid]

This actually sounds like it could be an awesome shattering 2

[south saddle]

that just sounds like an average sky cotl fanfic

[tepid veldt]

i was about to say that flashbacks to my jellyfish creation post

ooh thanks for the funny book title haunted role

[sharp lichen]

There’s this document here, https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

[earnest briar]

It's probably just fanart. Besides, that instrument below it doesn't exist in game, so that increases the likelihood of it being a fanmade thing.

[sharp lichen]

I can’t believe fake leaks have made it here

[rustic glen]

It just looks so much like the images we've seen from the animation project lol, but yeah maybe it's just fanmade or a fake leak

[cold sparrow]

if the top image isn't from the animation teasers, it might be from the switch trailer
those got similar styles and similar/the same characters

[eternal totem]

The top image is in fact a promo for the anim project, not switch trailer

[brittle meadow]

I have a question. Does anyone here have a screenshot of the wall mural depicting Eye of Eden's elder? I think it appeared in one of the vault cutscenes.

[round parrot]

I ate it sorry
Jokes aside, here

[brittle meadow]

Thanks

[halcyon hull]

part of the constellation with people just ↗️↘️↗️↘️↗️↘️↗️↘️

[round parrot]

zigzag moment

[sterile orchid]

Yeah why is that how it is,,

[lean kayak]

XD

[sharp lichen]

Is it a mouth or a knife in their throat?

[sterile orchid]

Absolutely no clue

[keen shore]

afraid of chin I see

[sterile orchid]

[keen shore]

I think about that mural sometimes, it’s really interesting how little it matches the other depictions of the Eden elder

[sharp lichen]

It’s possible it was almost a sort of propaganda user to glorify the Eden Elder

[frigid tinsel]

Well that’s out of left field but yea

[half shadow]

It doesn’t really look like propaganda to me. it looks weird and frightening. and it’s also a constellation, which we don’t actually know if it’s representative of a real mural the Ancestors made or just…. a constellation

[sharp lichen]

I mean, there are many different muralists in Sky, and they probably have different styles. It’s possible that the muralist in the Vault had different drawings for the Elders. Reminder of how the Isle Elder is depicted in Isle vs Vault.

[keen shore]

The diamond it’s projected from is somewhat implied to be from the top of the Vault elevator and would be the one projecting the realm levels,(!) so it could maybe be propaganda.

There are two options here — if that diamond is meant to project the elders alongside their realm constellations as the elevator ascended, a lot of people would see that mural, so I guess it works. I personally think this is unlikely, because I don’t know why it wouldn’t do that for us, and since Vault seems to be a place of storing as much accurate information as possible I don’t know why they would present propaganda as fact. The higher levels seem to be populated almost entirely by scholars, not average people, who would be more likely to see it and think it wasn’t true, rendering it useless.

The other option is that those elder murals are projected by Night directly and we would be one of very few people who would see it, which means it wouldn’t be very useful propaganda.

It also begs the question of why the other two murals of them aren’t the same way.

(!) = this might not be true, it’s just what I thought happened

[sterile orchid]

I feel like Night being the one to make the murals appear over the constellations would make the valley elders looking more like concept art make a bit more sense in the actual game

[keen shore]

Sunset is shown differently in the cutscene too, more aligning with a concept design they had; so I’m wondering if this mural was designed very early on and they never changed the designs. If that’s true, I wonder why they weren’t changed during prophecy, since they are very important to the story

[sharp lichen]

I mean, we have sus Daleth and Tsadi Dorito, so murals seem to be more stylized than accurate

[half shadow]

I feel like if Night is projecting Eden’s constellation to the skykid it would make sense why it looks off putting, most likely to try and inform the skykid about the elder

sus daleth is my favorite guy i love him

[sterile orchid]

My phone is dying so I will have to go get on my computer I'll be right back lore chat

[keen shore]

There is another option here of our skykid being the one to project and make those murals, which is my current headcanon, but I’m aware that this might not be believed by a lot of people so I didn’t include it in the original

[half shadow]

the difference in murals being older designs may also possibly be Night trying to convey how things Used To Be, whereas Eden’s constellation, i think, shows moreso What Went Wrong

[keen shore]

that is a good point! I think for this it mostly depends on what character interpretation you decide to go with, since it’s ambiguous ingame

[sharp lichen]

In real life, people have been depicted in drastically different ways in art, so why not in Sky as well?

[half shadow]

yeee. i can imagine it being Night essentially trying to convey “this is why the realm youre about to go into looks the way it does. this is why it’s different there. this is why it’s dangerous.”

[brisk python]

gah i need to show tac something so bad but i dont wanna break the convo

[sterile orchid]

i remember there being the "eden elder has a mouth" interpretation of this mural and
Any light that enters the area will be "eaten" by Eden and light is often shown to be 🟡 shaped which is what the person depicted here seems to be holding
being depicted in the mountain makes me think it's saying "this is where you need to go it will eat your light."

it is a little weird that they would have a mouth but it seems like the easiest thing for people to notice so i'm just going off of that

[half shadow]

i personally spent the game wondering about the Eden Elder before i even knew what they were because the big scary doorway in home fascinated me so going into it i had these questions like “what the heck caused all of these people to die, what the heck happened all over the world, why the heck are things like this” and then seeing the Eden constellation reveal made me immediately go “OHHH….. someone did something WACKY huh”

[sterile orchid]

oh boy when i tell you i didn't care about the game as much as i do now i really mean that. the lore was "too vague" when i was a moth for me to get too invested in it and Now look at me discussing probably the most vague piece of actual evidence we have of anything sky lore right now

[sterile orchid]

people break conversations here all the time

[brisk python]

but it isnt even important it's just funny and relates to valley elders

[sterile orchid]

i would love to see this

[brisk python]

@lusty merlin pictures taken before moments before disaster
(sorry for the ping i saw this in the shop and just. needed to share)

[keen shore]

POV youre a manta 💔

[sterile orchid]

it really does look like they're gonna beat up the viewer i love this

[brisk python]

it looks like mehk boutta paddle sah into orbit 😭

[lusty merlin]

Same energy

[sterile orchid]

[brisk python]

SAME ENERGY CHSJCJS

[keen shore]

This is entirely speculation but I have to wonder if the elders really know how bad Eden is. They know the diamond exploded — they were there for that, and the first two elder cutscenes have that event as a looming presence in the background — but in terms of going into Eden itself and seeing the actual effects of that corruption…

[sterile orchid]

i can hear the bonk sound effect already

[brisk python]

mehk leave sah alone 😭

[keen shore]

Addition

[sterile orchid]

it's ALWAYS sah getting picked on when we bring up the valley elders.

[keen shore]

I cannot explain it but they simply have that aura

[lusty merlin]

OUGH yeah, they weren’t exactly around to see what became of It exactly :(

Man now I’m thinking of Al’s skykid oc’s that talk to the elders, and eventually having some grasp on what it’s truly like and just, being horrified yaknow?

[brisk python]

sah is an easy target 💀

[sterile orchid]

sah looks like they would be the more aggressively competitive one but clearly it's mekh

[keen shore]

Sah based their haircut off darkstone of COURSE I’m going to make fun of that

[lusty merlin]

Like what do you mean you go there to die by sharp rocks raining down to ascend, what do you mean it’s a constant storm?

[brisk python]

mehk bullying sah bc they're 0.0001% older or smth

[sterile orchid]

every time the valley elders are brought up i get incredibly happy and excited because they're my favorite blorbos but i can't help but make fun of Sah every time

[keen shore]

The elders probably have a loose grasp on what skykids have to deal with daily but I mean… they’re trapped, they’d have no idea about the specifics. I can imagine them being utterly shocked by them

[brisk python]

SAME VALLEY ELDERS ARE ALSO MY FAVORITE BLORBOS

[lusty merlin]

Yeah like: what do you mean everyone’s dead? you do this every week? eden is just crumbled?

Got a lot on my mind

[keen shore]

Whenever I go into the elder memory from shattering where the diamond throws them back I imagine Sah hitting the wall of the cave and making a squeaky toy noise as they slowly slide down

[sterile orchid]

hoping we get to break them out of those voids some day but i'm saddened by the thought of it never happening :(

[lusty merlin]

YOU

[keen shore]

You threw them into the SNOW do not act morally superior

[sterile orchid]

i want to INTERACT with the SKRUNKLIES please tgc just give me one little wave emote at them i am begging you

[lusty merlin]

DO NOT SPEAK OF THE OLD TIMES AND THATS DIFFERNT

[sterile orchid]

i actively headcanoned that if they had meetings at the top of eden, Sah would be pushed down by the wind and have to climb all the way back up by themselves

[keen shore]

Never forget the tragedy

[sterile orchid]

i can barely see that what is this image

[keen shore]

low res Sah plushie facedown in the snow

[untold notch]

tac made a sah plushie and cast it into the frosty wastes

[sterile orchid]

NOO

[brisk python]

i was gonna say mehk pushed them as a "haha funny prank"
mehk gives off that energy to me cjdjfj

[keen shore]

and then abandoned them outside to die while they ate pizza

[lusty merlin]

Theyre in their natural habitat

I CANT JUST IGNORE PIZZA DELIVERYHELPP

[keen shore]

you LOST Sah for like an HOUR

[sterile orchid]

Sah just left out of every single important decision that affects everyone because Mekh has bad judgement for when to be silly

[brisk python]

tac i would pay you so much to buy a sah and mehk plushie from u ngl
i, too, wish to have sah facedown in the snow in my yard as mehk watches

[lusty merlin]

THEY WERE INSIDE WRAPPED IN MY BLANKET NOT OUTSIDE

Fun im haunted by Sah’s ghost plush ig

[sterile orchid]

WAIT THAT'S JUST LEGIT A PLUSHIE YOU MADE YOURSELF? CAN I HAVE ONE?

[lusty merlin]

Took way to long to make them but yeah I made them myself :)

[brisk python]

tac. give
mom said it's MY turn with the sah and mehk plushies

[keen shore]

They weren’t left out of the stabbing ☹️

[sterile orchid]

sending that message and then just glancing at the typing notification and just seeing "tac is behind you" made me scared for a second

[lusty merlin]

The ever

[sterile orchid]

aww
so tiny and squishable.

[lusty merlin]

Very squishable :)

[sterile orchid]

tac isn't haunted anymore

[brisk python]

sah stress toy.....

[sterile orchid]

suddenly had the thought that my manta racer boy Altair would probably go to the valley elders for guidance on whether or not he should go to Eden, because he's terrified of the stories he's heard about it, then they just sit there staring at him the whole time and wind up just as scared by the end
i just want to note that the stories Altair has heard about Eden are heavily shortened and simplified explanations of what it's actually like. But even just the concept of "that mountain you see off in the distance all the time? if you go there, you'll lose your light" is literally the end of every life a sky kid who has only experienced sanctuary and valley could imagine even if those people who have gone there are obviously still around

[nimble ingot]

Greetings Lore chat.
How was the season of Remembrance for you?

[sterile orchid]

sad

anyway, i really enjoyed it. not too much in terms of lore but that's fine because it's my first ever fully completed season all of the spirits are equally my favorite but if you ask me which one specifically it's an obvious pleading child purely because manta plushie

[nimble ingot]

Aw, congrats ✨
Fair point. It may not be a big lore season, but there is a little bit of lore on the side. ❤️

[sterile orchid]

as soon as i saw the ultimate gift was not only perfect for adding to my WIP vault character but also summons some form of manta i HAD to get it 💖 ✨

[nimble ingot]

Ah noice 🙂

A friend of mine likes the scarf. Adds a nice flare to their character.

[sterile orchid]

i also like the scarf but i want to be using the pendant as the neck accessory and i can't have both
gonna keep it in mind in case i ever make another vault oc

[nimble ingot]

I hope TGC may one day find a way to have multiple items be worn at once.
Perhaps check item combinations and let skykids wear X item as long as it does not interfere with Z.
Ex. Your pendant and the scarf, or the rainbow tassel and the mochi bunny.

[floral skiff]

Ouch what a major continuity error

how can this lightcatcher be in the social hub and the sapling at the same time?

[untold notch]

they're silly like that

[floral skiff]

My best explanation is that lightcatchers are grimwalkers (clones)

[nimble ingot]

Secret ghost ability?
Creating a memory clone like a phantom?

[untold notch]

I was just gonna say spirits can do whatever they want but eh

[nimble ingot]

You can still say that.
If they can do it, then they can, lol

[floral skiff]

Dear the-vividry#5809, you claim spirits can do whatever they want and yet they chose not to come back to life? Curious.

[nimble ingot]

Not enough spirit credits to do that.

[sterile orchid]

oh my god i've never seen someone refer to someone else by the full username

[floral skiff]

FluffyFeathers#1023 hi

[sterile orchid]

[keen shore]

Any ancestor who tried to come back to life now would probably die again in like a month, I don’t blame them

[sterile orchid]

why is that so vaguely intimidating??? it's literally just my username!!

[floral skiff]

Completely unrelated but a bird flew into my living room

[untold notch]

in this economy?

[keen shore]

Being a spirit rn is objectively better than being an ancestor. You get to do whatever you did while you were alive, but you never get headaches and also you can teleport into the sky at will

[sterile orchid]

crab whisperer in forest social space

crab whisperer gets to do whatever they can think they can do like "climbing a cliff" by teleporting on top of it or walking while doing literally anything else

[fickle snow]

Bc acordong to persons that died and camme back, actually dying its like that, whatever you think happens

[keen shore]

even funnier, I don’t think they’re doing it on purpose. They always do a shrug emote after landing

[sterile orchid]

they also do and before doing that so i wonder if they were thinking about climbing the tree to get up there but because they're a spirit it just kinda put them up there?

[keen shore]

What kills me is that this happens to no other spirit, just them

[frigid tinsel]

Cadet on top of Performance Theater:

[untold notch]

I think they do it on purpose because they are epic

[sterile orchid]

i wish i knew what this meant

[frigid tinsel]

when Season of Performance first came out, Cadet was seen floating in the sky

[keen shore]

THIS IS THE SECOND TIME IN A ROW IVE FORGOTTEN ABOUT THEM NOOOOO

[floral skiff]

scaredy cadet

[nimble ingot]

[mentioning a game mechanic]
The Lightseekers at the saplings use the emotes of spirits of their respective realms.
Crab Whisperer is using Shrugging Alchemist's shrug which is in Ark.

[sterile orchid]

i've seen piggyback do some emotes with shush, then walk up onto the higher level and do basically nothing else for a while wonder if they just like standing there

[keen shore]

given their similar masks I like to imagine these two are doing very strange things together

[nimble ingot]

Perhaps it is because there are not a lot of spirits in Dawn for them to use

[sterile orchid]

crab whisperer also has a twirling contest with twirling champion so i don't think it's too much of an issue to have piggyback with emotes outside of isle

[keen shore]

I feel bad for Twirling Champion,.. at one point crab whisperer plays dead to get out of a conversation with them

[frigid tinsel]

Crab Whisperer passes out after they twirl so I think we know who won

[sterile orchid]

is it the twirl contest bc i thought that was just that they spun too fast and got dizzy

[keen shore]

⬆️ these are two separate incidents

[frigid tinsel]

I am currently watching the lightseekers at the wisteria tree so I'll keep yall posted

[sterile orchid]

omg when do they interact besides that

[keen shore]

I think it’s right before then!! Twirl goes up to them and tries interacting and CW just goes hognose mode

[sterile orchid]

it does seem like the majority of the emotes each of them use are from their respective realms and usually upgraded versions

uh oh crab whisperer is moonwalking for me

[frigid tinsel]

they'll nope out of existence in a moment

[sterile orchid]

sitting there running in place next to the tree

cat just launched themselves off of my keyboard and decided to add \ to the chat

[sterile orchid]

this really was true they are Not Here and i'm confused

[keen shore]

They do that a lot

[sterile orchid]

just moonwalks out of existence

i thought maybe they would just not be somewhere for a bit but no they are literally just gone twirl is having a contest with themself

[wild pasture]

Is it a glitch or network thing (ex, will a relog/reload bring them back)? Or do they really just poof for a while? If they just poof, that's kinda weird.

[sterile orchid]

reload brings em back

either way it's really weird because they specifically disappear when there's an animation error (walking constantly)

[wild pasture]

Maybe it's the game code trying to fix the error.

[sterile orchid]

they are slowly ascending into the clouds.

[keen shore]

It hasn’t been fixed from last year so I like to believe this is intentional and Crab Whisperer is just like that

[sterile orchid]

ok so through the constant walking animation i managed to see what i think you're talking about

crab whisperer walks in front of twirl, then (tries to scare twirl away? )

i managed to get in a server where they're not walking constantly but i don't expect it to last

[frigid tinsel]

👋🏽

[sterile orchid]

are they not just on the cliff behind that tree that's where they're meant to go and i have no idea why

[sterile orchid]

yep, next animation cycle started and they're broken again 💔

[sharp lichen]

If Skykids can teleport, why not Spirits?

[floral skiff]

I don't know

[sharp lichen]

They probably could

[nimble ingot]

They likely can, given they disappear and reappear where they like.

Game mechanics aside, from a lore observation, both spirits and skykids have a similar appearing and disappearing animation in the constellation. Furthermore, the spirits do this as well at their grave sites, when they reach and ascend at a realm's temple and at the end of the season.

[sterile orchid]

the only difference between spirits and sky kids being summoned is that the spirits spiral to leave while sky kids just kinda poof

[nimble ingot]

true, at tombstones.
They reach out and spin while shrinking and disappear when a skykid leaves the tombstone.

[sharp lichen]

Being a spirit is similar to being a Skykid in some ways- You have the freedom to go wherever you want, but you can’t really interact with the world

[nimble ingot]

Agreed.
It would be hard to interact with the physical world in ethereal form.

A skykid has been suggested to be a hybrid of the former living ancestors/children of the light and the ancestor spirit in concept art.
A La Golems (in my opinion)

[sharp lichen]

I’ll have to replace them

[sterile orchid]

why would you release the crabs??

[keen shore]

There’s actually two of every lightseeker but they make sure they’re never in the same place at the same time

[sterile orchid]

I don't know if it's what laid-back just does or what but I saw them using the same emotes they do in the social space down by the sapling earlier

Don't remember sapling laid-back using the march emote

[round parrot]

They do!

[hushed steeple]

my question is, how are the spirts in different realms at the same time? when you visit forest, they’re all gathered around the tree, praying to (toward?) it. then, you visit ark and they’re all there again.

i suppose, as spirits, they have the ability to travel quickly. after all, we’re all made of light. it would make sense if we could travel at the speed of it

[cold sparrow]

they're just astral projecting to different places at once
like streaming to different platforms

[frigid tinsel]

I suppose you’re not to think too hard about it or rather suspension of disbelief — they’re only in one spot in-universe but all the stuff from the previous years are back for newer folk to enjoy so like ¯_(ツ)_/¯

I like to think that the lightseekers all are focusing on the big task of revitalizing the Ark’s flora, but with the Wind Paths close, one or some of them will go off to check the sapling or wisteria tree

[hushed steeple]

makes sense! i have a tendency to over analyze 💀

[frigid tinsel]

We also know that when they dematerialize into spirit sparkles that they can move pretty fast

[untold notch]

me projecting

[sharp lichen]

Pretty fast? Well, how fast??? There’s only one way to find out-

[frigid tinsel]

you ever rescue a spirit and let them out? you know what happens after?????

[sharp lichen]

Time to calculate the exact speed of a spirit trail! (No I’m not doing this)

[floral skiff]

Every spirit is in a quantum superposition

[rare swift]

Why Eden Elder bad?

[round parrot]

They aren't bad. (as far as I know)

[sharp lichen]

Wdym? As in, a bad character, or morally bad?

[rare swift]

Lol i don’t know I saw people saying “I can fix him in general”

[sharp lichen]

I don’t know either, really putting the L in general

[untold notch]

ok that's a little funny actually

[raw crypt]

unfortunately theyre not a character we see on screen so it’s impossible to really get a read on them/its very up to interpretation

[untold notch]

they're out there babygirling the king

[raw crypt]

“out there” im right here (because it is funny)

[untold notch]

it is so funny

[round parrot]

I once saw someone in genchat trying to date the king (in the past)
Goodluck with the divorce

[untold notch]

it's not the kings first

[keen shore]

People’s interpretations on them vary wildly, to me they are just a skykid

[raw crypt]

the king has gone through several divorces bc ppl r speedrunning king divroce any%

[keen shore]

does getting ripped into uncountable pieces count as a divorce

[untold notch]

probably?

[raw crypt]

yeah cause its funny

[rigid iron]

she took half of me in the divorce 💔

[round parrot]

took "that cost me an arm and a leg" too literally

[frigid tinsel]

self-divorce

[keen shore]

sunset…

[sharp lichen]

at least 2, according to sources

[sterile orchid]

This is a huge guess and entirely dependant on something we can only see next year but I'm betting the Bloom events will be at least connected to the areas you can go in through wind paths
(so like, if the event reaches Valley and it's not by the hermit's hut, it might be in village of dreams somewhere)

[sharp lichen]

It's very interesting to see Days Of events actually become important and canon to the Sky lore

[frigid tinsel]

They always have been

[sharp lichen]

Didn't they use to take place in Office?

[sterile orchid]

I'll have you know crab whisperer moon walking themselves out of existence is a very important piece of information that fits somewhere /j

[halcyon hull]

And floating for no reason

[sterile orchid]

Earlier this afternoon when they were slowly ascending into the clouds instead of teleporting onto the cliff:

[south saddle]

this is my favourite running joke in lore chat thank you for being consistently funny

[steep hearth]

does anyone know the next traveling spirits?

[sterile orchid]

we haven't even gotten hnts yet and probably won't for at least a few more hours

[nimble ingot]

#questions-and-help
It is best to ask on that channel.

TS arrive at set dates, you can see when it is at #news (The hints are usually 2 days before the arrival date)
#news message

[untold notch]

I will continue as long as people say the word

[sterile orchid]

and it will be funny (for a while)

[wild mulch]

Is the big table room in the vault of knowledge like a eating place for the main elders or something? (I’m just starting to learn about the lore )

Bc you need like five people to open the big door main reason I thought about it lol

[half shadow]

The Big Table has vexed and confounded lore theorists for countless eons. Many ache to understand the truth of it and yet no answer has revealed itself with full satisfaction.

[wild mulch]

Interesting hopefully an event or something will come up with more info or something in the meantime I shall wait

[nimble ingot]

The room takes 4 players to open and has 6 seats at the table.
There has been many debates and theories surrounding that table in the history of lore chat.

Assuming that the twin elders take a seat each, that leaves one of the 6 known elders without a place. That and couple with one of the chairs toppled over, there has been speculation about what would have happened at that table.
Seeing the scale is too large for the ancestors, this table of one of the few places where we can see the elders may have physically existed in the Sky kingdoms.

[wild mulch]

Interesting where are the other places exactly I don’t think I have came across other things close to the size comparison, maybe the ship reck in the wasteland

[nimble ingot]

The forgotten ark is also a place where possibly the elders themselves may have been present based on size and concept art. Albeit sadly not outright confirmable based on the lore and its history in the game.

During Light Awaits, the Ark was seen as the divine vessel that would have transported the elders and some ancestors to Eden for safety (possibly ascending to Orbit to escape the darkness).
However, since the changes that became part of Sky: Children of the Light, the lore changed and the Ark's role in the story has some of its meaning left up for player's interpretation.

What one can gather from in-game's evidence is 7 ancestor spirits either came across the Ark and tried to restore it in some way, or were possibly part of the voyage that wrecked and their dying wish could be to restore the environment that the Ark has damaged. (Season of Enchantment)

Furthermore, it is nice to see the area being revisited with the Days of Bloom event.

Where the Season of Lightseekers help bring more life to the area.
Notice them also creating orb like spells as how the season spirits from Enchantment have done their season quests.

[wild mulch]

True I’m excited to see when the flowers all bloom! and the orb like spells do seem to be used a lot by the spirits in quests

[nimble ingot]

Without spoiling anything about the event, I'd suggest keeping an eye on that butterfly fountain near the Lightseeker's camp. 👀

[wild mulch]

Ok thanks!

[south depot]

This might be a bad idea but… I enabled commenting access to my hc slides

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/10YftumDhlCpQhb1jdLvgwyxTcUaGQI6vh1Ic1CBNzl0/edit
Table of contents coming soon

[nimble ingot]

You....
... have a point with the spirits eyes ...
I wonder if the devs either had a mask for them that got scrapped very late in development, or something.

cool doc though 👍

I love the Enchantment section. ❤️
Well done

[sharp lichen]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

The document is not complete until this is added

[south depot]

💀💀💀added. slide 56

[half shadow]

fire prophet my beloved. i’ve never seen them

[south depot]

fire prophet never coming back, he helicoptered away and has no chance of stopping

[nimble ingot]

Agreed XD

[nimble ingot]

You should have seen how many skykids tried to hold on to them arms. Just to send flying into the ocean after 3 turns.

[half shadow]

and they’re valid

[inner basalt]

mekh listens to gumi and uhh more more jump songs

[quick jasper]

who would listen to wonderhoy though

[untold notch]

the performance troupe

[inner basalt]

yeah

[round parrot]

Gumi
also nice Honey I'm Home pfp

[inner basalt]

ty!! we’re a system so charon set it as that lol

[ancient cave]

Someone tell me if I wanna go deeper, I can just ask this question here.

I wonder, what kind of life exists under the Sky kingdom? is it human?

[desert bobcat]

in my opinion humans are really far from being in SKY, but maybe we could think of the SKY world as a very relative """"heaven"""""(and the equivalents in any other religion besides Christianism, i dont have much info about any religion, im an atheist myself, but wanted to make a comparison)

or the sky world could simply be another branch of the same tree the human world is in, think about it as an imaginary tree, where every world is in (honkai and genshin inspired)

i mean, light creatures ascend and cycle the light, maybe SOME humans ascend to SKY

[ancient cave]

So it's like a different universe from the others? Just like space theory about other universes. I can't think if it was a heaven because the shard thing and Eden. So, I think it was a different universe or hidden place somewhere in the earth self

[sterile orchid]

it seems to me that places like Home, Isle, and Wasteland are all ground - mostly due to them having a visible and very obvious ocean rather than a 'sea' of clouds
so it seems like the clouds in Sky's world are MUCH lower to the ground than they are in our world, making any land that's higher up being surrounded by clouds, and making the rest of it "a kingdom built in the clouds"

that is, if it's not like that due to the world being "shattered" like we hear early on in the game (either initial intro scene or that opening tunnel in Isle i can't quite remember)

[cold sparrow]

I believe it was once planned that human modern cities (or what remains of them) lie below the kingdom of sky according to concept art, but that idea was obviously scrapped
I don't really see there being anything else besides maybe more ancestor ruins below the clouds, as there's plenty of spots where we can see through the clouds/get to the very ground and see just a vast ocean around Sanctuary/Abyss

[desert bobcat]

this is only an opinion, but think of it like related worlds,

they are not independant of each other, each worl has their own life and things, but themselves are related, just like brother, cousins, parent are

and like this we could get journey's world into the mix

[sterile orchid]

i don't personally like the idea of a Sky multiverse that also includes the actual world that we live in
the story does have some parallels to how we, as humans, are destroying our own world and we might wind up like the ancestors but it feels weird to say that the world are related

[desert bobcat]

if i could draw (idk how to) i would do a little diagram, but at the moment i will need to let it at your interpretation

[south saddle]

in the concept art gallery there's a piece depicting the sky world being positioned over the human world- but it is, yknow, concept art, so take that with a grain of salt for how canon it is now

-like three other people have already said this.. oops......

[uncut pond]

I mean, we've already seen what actually lies below the clouds
Isle of Dawn, Golden Wasteland, Sanctuary, and Abyss are all below the clouds

[sterile orchid]

basically anywhere you can see an ocean instead of clouds on the edge of the map is below the clouds in the world
it's trying to figure out why we can't see anything of anywhere else while below the clouds that interests me

[halcyon hull]

I really want to see the foot of Eden mountain closer

[fickle snow]

Lore vhat!

[sterile orchid]

I SAW THAT EARLIER I'M SO PROUD OF THEM twirl just needed a push to spin more and they used the magic to it's fullest potential finally
and laidback seems to have always kind of known how but just needed to get the hang of it first

[round parrot]

OMG WHAT
I NEED TO SEE THIS INTERACTION

[sterile orchid]

THEY'RE SO CUTE I LOVE THEIR INTERACTION YOU HAVE TO GO SEE IT

i want to get a video of it to share later because it relates to some Thoughts i have but i don't have a clip yet

[nimble ingot]

TGC Flower Easter egg!? 👀

[sterile orchid]

that's the petal trail in general
what we're freaking out about is twirl and laidback using the flower magic

[round parrot]

I absolutely ADORE their interactions

[nimble ingot]

Here is hoping a certain white faced, yellow petalled flower does not pop up with their 'friendliness pellets'

[sterile orchid]

that gave me. a reaction.

i don't actually know how to describe it but that was definitely not what i was expecting you to say

[nimble ingot]

[Why Skycord no let gifs work?]

[clear stone]

"assuming that the twin elders take a seat each" obviously they argue over who gets the seat and then end up sitting one on the other's lap out of spite and stubbornness /hj
or they can fuse into one being if necesary

[sterile orchid]

i mean,, people can stand while talking to a group of other people maybe one of the elders wouldn't need a seat because they prefer standing or walking around during the discussions?

that would be hard to prove but it seems like it could make some sense (i'm thinking wasteland elder, they seem like the type who wouldn't want to 'take a break' if something important is going on)

[round parrot]

help why do I relate

[halcyon hull]

YEEES FIGHT

[halcyon hull]

Or one of the twins is standing on the back of a chair in a T-pose

[sharp lichen]

One of the chairs has 2 divots, maybe it’s like a dual seat with 2 Valley Elders sitting

[keen shore]

:(

[sterile orchid]

why the sad face salem

[keen shore]

I don’t like those chairs

[sterile orchid]

wh

why?

oh i don't 0 candles now

[sharp lichen]

The table has collectively traumatized us

[eternal totem]

That table is too small for the Elders

[keen shore]

Let me put it this way: what do the imprints in stone (and their existence in STONE in the first place) imply about the properties of elder butts

[sterile orchid]

i am so confused
OH MY GOD

[sharp lichen]

HELP

[eternal totem]

And it's too big for the Ancestors, it might've been a display table for the lanterns to display a map

[sharp lichen]

PLEASE NO

THE VAULT ARCHITECTS WERE JUST BAD MASONS

THATS ALL

[eternal totem]

Dude is in denial

[keen shore]

Now you know my pain… looks dramatically into the distance like a werewolf

[sterile orchid]

i am trying so hard to stop myself from laughing so hard i start wheezing, and also trying not to cough from holding it in

[eternal totem]

The table is in the distance

[keen shore]

Every time I see the chair with two imprints my first thought is wow one for each cheek…

I’m so sorry

[sterile orchid]

I HATE THIS BUT IT'S SO FUNNY

[native galleon]

literally same 💀

[nimble ingot]

ooh, excellent observation. ✨

[eternal totem]

All of the chairs got that

[sterile orchid]

i'm so shattered from everything going on right now i am speaking in random noises

[keen shore]

Oh no… we can’t use two elders sitting in each as an excuse…

[nimble ingot]

(not me looking at my office chair that stood the test of time of me sitting on it for year...)

[sterile orchid]

salem, i may hate this (/j), but i love that you brought this observation to the table it is the funniest thing i've seen so far

[eternal totem]

That's not the only thing we're bringing to the table

[halcyon hull]

They play rock paper scissors

[sterile orchid]

OMG WHAT ELSE IS THERE

[keen shore]

Our b

[eternal totem]

My will to maintain this form of darkness

[nimble ingot]

Imagine the elders playing a long game of Monopoly

[halcyon hull]

because of this, the war began

[sterile orchid]

the twins use the power of being two separate people to collectively be the most rich "person" in the game every time

[native galleon]

meanwhile dusk and day:

[eternal totem]

That's why the chairs are crumbling

[round parrot]

I honestly thought they would be bigger

[keen shore]

I like the interpretation that it’s a symbolic table or to hold a large map… I am not strong enough to handle the implications of the alternatives

[eternal totem]

My tinfoil hat theory is that it's a coding error

[keen shore]

In my heart the room is filled with many smaller tables and it’s the vault cafeteria

[native galleon]

Yeah i dont think it’s literally for the elders bc 1) not enough seats and 2) as we’ve seen before scale doesn’t matter…but god is it funny

[lusty merlin]

The chairs bother me so much help

[sterile orchid]

hello tac

[round parrot]

I swear I have a meme for this

[halcyon hull]

By the way what chairs are we talking about

[round parrot]

The one in Levitating Adept's room

[sterile orchid]

they also now bother me and i refuse to enter that room for longer than it takes to get the candle cake from now on so i don't think about this forever.

[keen shore]

It’s like the line from that one Aurora song… the world is covered in our trace…

[pastel brook]

underneath darkened skies, there's a light kept alive

[lusty merlin]

HELPENKENF

[sterile orchid]

HOW DOES THAT FIT I DON'T EVEN KNOW ANYMORW

[halcyon hull]

Wasn't it By our trace

[keen shore]

I don’t know I listened to it like once

[lusty merlin]

Honestly I hope they pull a memory candle to crystal reskin, cuz if they can change memory candles and everything about it to be crystals they can change the chairs

[sterile orchid]

yeah it is by our trace but if you ask spotify lyrics it says "by our trails" which
makes less sense to me since, from what i hear, Aurora absolutely DOES NOT PRONOUNCE AN L THERE

[native galleon]

Personally i think they would play monopoly in that one throne area you see in orbit or maybe the top of vault, people think they’re doing serious things up there but they’re yelling at each other about park place

[lusty merlin]

Oh hey I made a chart about who would do what lemme find

[keen shore]

I will also mention (since we got distracted) that there are in fact 8 elders and even if the twins shared a chair that means one of them would still have to sit on the table or the ground

[round parrot]

omg
what if that room was for family game night

||Isle didn't come because they are the sand||

[halcyon hull]

they don't invite Storm because they don't pay taxes

[sterile orchid]

haha we're back to the ability for me to mention Sah falling down from either
-Wind
-Sheer coincidence
-Mekh pushing them
-Or all three, possibly multiple times

[lusty merlin]

Sah is the worst type of player you can have

[native galleon]

she writes and sings all her songs in a second language, sometimes a word or 2 is off

[keen shore]

I can only guess what the personal stuff in question is

[round parrot]

The divorce

[lusty merlin]

The stabbing

[sterile orchid]

The War

[native galleon]

day is the banker because they’re the only one everyone can trust

[sterile orchid]

my only idea for Day is that they take a lot of naps so i cannot imagine them being a very good banker

[round parrot]

Can I please imagine Ayin making paper airplanes out of paper bills

[lusty merlin]

Eepy but being able to get stuff done

[native galleon]

I didn’t say they were good at it, just uncontroversial

[lusty merlin]

Doing their best

[sterile orchid]

i love that the only time Mekh shows up in this is that they take all the tiny house pieces

[native galleon]

i think they would also laugh like an evil villain

[lusty merlin]

Under the radar as they slowly take over

[native galleon]

yes…more of a quiet evil chuckle if you will

[sterile orchid]

who would suspiciously be the person with the most money every game? like, everyone thinks they secretly take money from the bank when no one else is looking (to cheat), but they're actually just really good at not spending it

[round parrot]

Teth

They were not in the war for a reason
||(at least from what I know of)||

[sterile orchid]

...were any of the first few in the war at all?

[round parrot]

Highly doubt
But, I would think of them as suppliers for the wounded, sending a few ancestors to treat soldiers (or colored lights)

[lusty merlin]

Feel like Tsadi was the only one personally fighting while the others were either sending supplies/troops or doing their best to be neutral and distancing themselves. Like some can help yeah but in the end with valleys power they don’t want to mess with them (since I see the war being aginst wasteland and valley)

[sterile orchid]

i feel like Vault may have not had a choice since the wasteland temple is directly connected to it but i also don't think they had anyone they could send out

[native galleon]

oooh this is one of the things ive been thinking about a lot! i imagine forest being neutral in the sense of laying low and benefitting from both sides, like they recognize the harm being done to their own realm and support the cause enough to stay on sun side’s good side, but at the same time they’re supplying all that darkstone and making bank (or whatever system they have. idk. they benefit from it is the point)

[lusty merlin]

Yeah and from remembersnce it seemed more as a refuge and all for wasteland ancestors

[native galleon]

so in a way the monopoly thing totally fits

[sterile orchid]

boy do i hate that it does ngl
hoping the ones supplying darkstone weren't supported, at least by their elder, but they probably didn't care

[lusty merlin]

Yeah like! And they saw what happened to wasteland and by god they not want that to happen to what little life their forest has left

Basically to me comes down to: sacrifice your realm and people by destruction, or let it do so quietly without violence

[round parrot]

tbh it feels more of chess to me

[native galleon]

but at the same time, they just have all those resources and technology…would be a such a shame to let it go to waste, right?

they’re in a very interesting position when it comes to the war and i love getting into it

[sterile orchid]

what makes me think about this is why the hell is there just. forest temple v2 all broken and crumbled at the start of wasteland??? it's something that's been in the back of my mind for a while, but i only started actually thinking about it in the past couple days

[lusty merlin]

To me it’s not like they had much of a choice, this is more theory territory but I like the idea the war started as a worker strike since darkstone production was ruining wasteland and it spiraled out of control. Forest being in the same boat as i can also see them being producers, and seeing what became of wasteland I feel like the only option is to really keep production to save themselves

[sharp lichen]

The table always brings us to chaos

[sterile orchid]

i do wonder how much the elders had a choice in what their people were doing.

i know that Teth is literally seen making darkstone when we wake them up with the light (even being sad that they couldn't actually put it together at the start) but that doesn't mean they can't regret starting production of it in the first place, right? maybe they did?

[sharp lichen]

Prairie also has an abundant use of darkstone, Isle a little bit

[native galleon]

i can see them being aware of the consequences of production but still continuing bc it’s like their main resource and it’s useful, kinda like how people refuse to give up certain things to protect the environment

[lusty merlin]

Prarie a little bit yeah but isle I personally think it used another system with light, like seen in the prophecy door. Unless I’m remembering wrong

[sterile orchid]

boogie kid island

[native galleon]

i think they all regret things now, hindsight is 20/20

[lusty merlin]

Ohh yeah I kinda forgot about that

[sharp lichen]

Also the boats in Isle probably used darkstone as well

[native galleon]

Isle just sitting on alternative energy sources this whole time and not telling???

[lusty merlin]

Oh to me completely think they were in to deep to stop it. Like to me it’s a matter of darkstone helped advance the sky kingdom as a civilization so much that if it stopped now it would put alot of systems reliant on darkstone into jeopardy. It’s would like taking away electricitybuilt around a city that needs electricity to function. Like getting rid of darkstone would be pushing back progress, and with the mining accidents seen with both miners i can imagine the deaths would make it worse knowing they couldn’t really go back

[earnest briar]

I have a headcanon that gold is the equivalent to darkstone. It’s just that gold is somewhat harder to mine and more difficult to properly use as opposed to darkstone. Like…gold is clean energy like wind power. It can work well in the right conditions but it needs to have the right conditions otherwise it’s pretty much useless. And darkstone is stuff like gas. It can be used for a lot of things and is versatile, but it’s use is much more harmful.

[lusty merlin]

Plus I like the idea darkstone tried to take light naturally (laugh emote memory) with mantas without harming them, but as demand grew they needed that source faster thus the caging and very possible killing started

[lusty merlin]

Oh I can see that! Gold brings light creatures and this help guides animals while darkstone takes and gives nothing in return

[native galleon]

i don’t think it’s as simple as the elders being completely for or against darkstone, i think everywhere (but forest especially) they would have recognized both the harm and benefits and made decisions based on that. there’s a lot of gray area

[sharp lichen]

Yes, similar to the modern idea of industrialization

[lusty merlin]

Ya I see that too, some have more positive or negative opinions. But in the end it’s kind of the conclusion that if they want to give their people a better life, with better conditions, that moving on with darkstone would be the only way

And they tried to do it sustainably, but that kind of gave way to the demand of needing it as it was weaved into their lives

[native galleon]

and of course those positive and negative opinions would be influenced by how it affects their realms directly, like for wasteland is obviously more negative, valley more positive but with forest i think you see a lot of both which is interesting

[earnest briar]

If the (presumably) plan to harness Eden’s light actually worked and the diamond didn’t go boom, I wonder how Ancestor society would have changed? Would they switch back to using gold instead of darkstone now that they no longer needed to kill Light Creatures to power their way of life? Would Wasteland be able to recover and heal? It’s so interesting yet sad to think about what could have been.

[lusty merlin]

Ough yeah, and it ultimately lead to their own downfall in the end

[keen shore]

Forest’s industry seems heavily based around mining and forestry, both of which obviously damage the environment especially in excess, but the workers there may not have had much else to turn to. Rain could have tried to restructure their realm so that was no longer true, but it was a very deeply engrained way of life, and time around the war seems generally stressful for a lot of realms — for instance, a lot of trees in Forest are burnt and broken, implying a fire. I can see their logic being that they would weather the hard times until they ended and then figure out a way to improve their realm… but the hard times never ended, they just got worse

[earnest briar]

Season of Restoration where we help Rain plant new trees and allow Forest to heal when

[native galleon]

yeah and idk how the economy would have worked but they had to have benefitted from that industry, otherwise why would they continue

[wild herald]

Hi ^^

[earnest briar]

Give us another Elder apprentice please. I want to see an apprentice of Rain seeing how much the destruction of their realm hurt their mentor and wanting to do something to help the realm heal and us helping them do that. And if we have Rain themselves make an appearance in some way at the end and show them happy that would be so good.

[wild herald]

[sterile orchid]

as per my usual thought process, valley comes to mind here yet again

i imagine people wanted things to be more extravagant in the more populated areas. make things like races more challenging. they were willing to pay for it themselves if it meant the ideas could come to life! and this new technology, made possible with light, was said to be the answer to this demand.

i doubt anyone was told when it started requiring the entire creature to be made either.
it makes me sad to think about the business practices involved in things like the manta races and i don't want to get into it ||but i'm sure you can figure out where my brain is going ||

[lusty merlin]

Yeah that’s how I see it going down too, thinking it’ll just be for a little while but it never stopped

[lusty merlin]

I find it ironic that manta racing is a popular sport while wild mantas were being used to make the very foundation that the city thrived with

Not to mention being captured in valley too seen in warrior of loves section of the concert

[keen shore]

Valley was built off both kinds of manta, peeled and unpeeled… I think the elder hairs are meant to reflect that

[sterile orchid]

my brain went in a darker route than them just being wild mantas.

[earnest briar]

I have a headcanon that the Valley Elders used the races to raise funds for experiments into creating a sustainable darkstone industry that didn’t require the sacrifice of Light Creatures and the creation of extreme pollution and destruction to continue. They knew it wasn’t sustainable and wanted to find a way to make things better, so they started using the popularity of the races and how much Mantas were loved by the general populace to start raising money. They wanted to try and help their friend Tsadi and their realm but then the war broke out before any progress could be made into researching alternatives and everything went to honk.

[native galleon]

Peeled and unpeeled omg 💀 i feel bad for laughing

[sterile orchid]

OH MY GOD THIS IS SUCH A CUTE AND TRAGIC IDEA I BOTH LOVE AND HATE THIS SO MUCH

[lusty merlin]

Oh ow this hurts but I can totally see this

[native galleon]

“i doubt anyone was told when it started requiring the entire creature to be made either” 👀 now that. that is interesting
edit: sorry i think i forgot to unping

[lusty merlin]

That too! I feel like either they gave a half truth on how darkstone was made or still think it was being done sustainably till the war broke out

[sterile orchid]

i need to cleanse the darkness out of my brain so i'm gonna take a small break from sending messages, lorechat

[earnest briar]

I am a firm believer that Sunset didn’t realize the effects the darkstone industry had on Wasteland until they came for a visit and realized how bad it was. As Elders they have the biggest chance of enacting changes that will actually do something, and as friends of Tsadi and the ones whose realm has benefited the most from darkstone while other realms suffered they feel like they have an obligation to fix things as best they can and at least try to undo some of the harm that’s been caused.

[lusty merlin]

Yeah I can see this. This hurts more since I personally think they were the other side of the war but have never actually went down to fight wasteland head on and didn’t want to look at it. Trying to pretend they arnet fighting one of their closest friends because they wanted to stop darkstone production, but when they see what they’ve done, yeah that feeling of guilt would hit hard

[sterile orchid]

one little extra thing to throw in: what if both

[native galleon]

i mean…i do like the idea of an epic elder showdown happening at some point, late in the game when things have really deteriorated. but. in general i see them wanting to help but not actually being fully willing to make the big sacrifices that would be needed, so they try to compromise and it just isn’t enough

[lusty merlin]

Yeah!!! I feel like that’s how alot of wars start too, one wants somthing or wants to stop somthing, they try negotiating, they try compromising, but somtimes you just can’t reach a conclusion where everyone will be happy, so you resort to force to get what you want depending on the severity

[frigid tinsel]

The stabbing

[native galleon]

it’s funny how when i started during season of aurora, i was like “the seed? really? what does a protest song about climate change have to do with this fantasy game” but then i realized the whole situation and how it was handled probably has a lot of parallels to exactly that

[earnest briar]

Augh I just had a sad thought. ‘Feed me sunlight, feed me air. Feed me truth and feed me prayer.’ What if that was the motto/chant of the rebellion in Wasteland talking about how they’re sick of the destruction and pollution of their home and want it all to end? Their home is like a dying plant and they want to see it bloom again like it used to.

[native galleon]

the area that contributes the most to the problem is the one that suffers the least, and does it mean they didn’t know or care? well, probably not, but fixing the problem would require a lot of sacrifice that people may not have been willing or able to make so they come up with band-aid solutions ANYWAY not to get too political but yeah

[autumn yew]

Hey I m on the server since a pretty long time now and I don’t even know what is this channel for, anyone to enlighten me ?

[lusty merlin]

Basically talking about sky’s story and everyrhing i between, theorizing why some things are the way they are or how they got to that point

We also have wasteland elder Tuesday

[native galleon]

we do? is that today?

[autumn yew]

Ooooo I see I see thx !

[earnest briar]

Happy Tsadi Tuesday my dudes, gals, and agender pals!

[lusty merlin]

OH WAIT ITS TSADI TUESDAY I COMPLETELY FORGOT HAPPY TSADI TUESDAY

[native galleon]

The rotisserie chicken??? 💀

[lusty merlin]

They like to grill :3

[native galleon]

Pffff

[sterile orchid]

OH YEAH TSADI TUESDAY

this channel can go from depressing topics, to completely random conversations with headcanons mixed in, in literally one message and i love it

[tepid veldt]

tsadi tuesday! 🎉

[sharp lichen]

Of course, grilling chicken for Olive Garden

[sterile orchid]

i have thoughts about these messages but i will have to write them somewhere else so i don't accidentally send it and have to wait 30 seconds since i would instantly delete it, so give me a minute

[earnest briar]

If Tsadi had just grilled at the talks about the darkstone industry’s effects then everything would have turned out fine 😔

[sterile orchid]

how often do you think they burn the food either because they get distracted from it just long enough or because they like the taste of it being "a bit darker than normal" (it's almost entirely black)

what?

[sharp lichen]

They probably grill their cucumber sandwiches well done

[sterile orchid]

cucumber sandwiches??

[untold notch]

who in their right mind grills cucumber sandwiches those are tea sandwiches to have with tea

[nimble ingot]

Was about to help with clarifying well done as in how much something would be cooked, like a steak.

[sterile orchid]

tsadi, apparently

[sharp lichen]

I’ve been converted, my past sins are to be erased. I used to despise cucumber sandwiches, but now I only see the right.

[nimble ingot]

🎉

[sterile orchid]

my brain is still a bit fried from earlier what's going on again

[nimble ingot]

Thin cucumber slices with some mayo, salt and pepper is delicious on fresh bread.

[sharp lichen]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

The fabled lore…

[untold notch]

I don't even know the original cucumber sandwich lore I just know you don't grill them

[nimble ingot]

good memories.

[sterile orchid]

oh by the way i'm a bit worried about this being considered spam how would i prevent that

[untold notch]

truthfully I do not know how the spam detection works, good luck

[sterile orchid]

agh
guess i'll try to keep it as short as i can but i have a Lot of thoughts

[nimble ingot]

For what it is worth back when I had long theories or messages.

Typing it out till it hits the limit, and while at it let other folks carry on may be a way to do it.
Simply reply back to the former message to help link them together.

[tulip salmon]

I just play Remembrance last quest so here is some of my discovery that kinda make me a bit too emotional/ spoiler for who haven't play it:

• There are 3 ghost mantas outside of repository after last quest, 2 adult manta and a miniature version of it.
• I thought those were meant to represent the spirits so seeing only 3 of them is weird. Turn out Wounded Warrior haven't leave at all
• In the start and now those mantas will bring you to a light elevator kind of columns? There are 4 of it, each one is taller than the previous. I still think this somewhat meant to correlate to the spirits again, or just there as an easter eggs.
• The little cave near Pleading Child place, and their manta friend doesn't let anyone ride it.
• Just Wounded Warrior in general.

[sterile orchid]

oh noo i never thought about the mantas correlating to the spirits.

[tulip salmon]

Wounded Warrior please rest, i can't bear to look at them sleeping in that heath hazard corner anymore

[old moth]

Why would they go back to gold? I always assumed the Eden diamond was meant to be an energy source. If it worked, they would just use that to power everything

[earnest briar]

They'd still need things to put the energy in to use it. Like batteries and those charger power banks you carry around.

[old moth]

Oh, you mean to store the power! I didn't understand what you meant lol

[tulip salmon]

Personally seeing gold only exist in valley, i thought gold is just way to flaunt wealth in there but seeing your headcanon it does fit to be a second source of power storage like darkstone
And it make more sense than from mostly rely on light creature then jump straight to darkstones imo.

[old moth]

I think that with a functional Eden diamond, they would have been just a more modern society. And they probably wouldn't have all died

[cold sparrow]

it doesn't only exist in valley tho
gold bells are also used in Prairie

[sterile orchid]

gold is also in forest temple, the ruined temple in wasteland (right before you enter graveyard) and the doors to the Isle temple and cave of prophecies

[frigid tinsel]

Gold seems to have been used for both practical and aesthetic purposes

[tulip salmon]

Based on how the bells look i thought it was supposed to be bronze, what i was thinking of were those statues in race and Valley temple entrance

[sterile orchid]

seems like gold mechanisms need light to function and if darkstone is made with light, it seems like it would have a lot of it
you see a lot of little darkstone crystals in forest temple, for instance. all working together to spin that huge mechanism that opens the doors (which also have darkstone crystals near them)

[tulip salmon]

From my memory the bells appear to have green spots like bronze, i was wrong lol. Thank you for correcting me ^^;

I wonder if isle door use diamonds as well or something completely different? Because (again i could be wrong) i have only seen this kind of door strictly from Isle.

[lusty merlin]

It seems like there is a small ball on the isle door instead of an actual diamond compared to Prarie, same for prophecy door too, there’s not actually a diamond in the slot but we can still light it, I assume it’s light powerd and is simple enough that it doesn’t need a diamond

[sharp lichen]

Though the Bookie Kid’s cave still has diamonds, and the Prophecy Trials

[tepid veldt]

bookie kid

[sterile orchid]

BOOKIE KID

[fallen cosmos]

is there like a mega Google doc to the lore?

[frigid tinsel]

Not a mega, rather Baud’s lore basics doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

Sky lore is incredibly vague so canon information is sparse, leaving room for much speculation.

Ah, I have been haunted.

[sterile orchid]

you don't became krillbait, which i guess means you won't get krilled?

[frigid tinsel]

I am krill resistant

[spring python]

R u now

[frigid tinsel]

My haunting was brief albeit not unremarkable

[sterile orchid]

^most relevant messages start here ^

The people in Valley were the main ones looking into using darkstone, a few projects were given authorization from the elders for things that it seemed the general public of the kingdom would enjoy (namely races)

As demand for it grew, because they realized more and more was needed to keep expanding the city, or repairing parts of race tracks should they be damaged, the practice became worse and worse, and no one was told about what it was becoming

Starting out, the production was nothing too bad as it was only a small bit of light from a few creatures, and didn't seem to harm anything. Slowly moving up to lots of butterflies kept in jars, to small mantas, to those mantas needing to be bigger and bigger

Eventually, the twins realize that there may be a problem on the horizon (but didn't see that said problem was a bit closer than expected) so they go to pre-war Wasteland to check on Dusk, and how things are going since the twins would know about the factories in the area

They learned that the way it affected everything was Not Going Well and decided to help by working towards research for a new way to fill the same role as darkstone, but it was too late for them to actually get anything done before the war started

For some reason I feel like they would try to keep things quiet about it at first, in hopes they aren't too late ("it just started, surely there's a way to fix it before it gets worse!") but it would soon grow out of hand and spread too much for it to be of any help

Sunset would be pressured into a place where they have to go against the people they actually agreed with, so instead of going out and fighting alongside their people, they stayed behind and watched everything crumble to dust.
Their relationship with Dusk. Their way of life. Everyone's lives. All gone, and all because they didn't realize the problem quickly enough

omg it didn't get nuked

[lusty merlin]

OUGH