lore-discussion-spoilers

[untold notch]

similar to the incident involving the hole in the prophecy cave ceiling

[sterile orchid]

wait what

[fickle wing]

fire prophet go BOING

[lusty merlin]

YES TEH REDRAW EVER

[keen shore]

I LOVE 5IS PICTURE SO MUCH

[frigid tinsel]

“teehee, destroyed the entire kingdom, whoopsie”

[lusty merlin]

salem wheres that one fireprophet tweet when you used lowercase that one time?

[keen shore]

i… wasn’t involved in spiritwt… that wasn’t me 💀

[sharp lichen]

You may need to consult the ancient ones

[untold notch]

characters with one eye obscured my beloved

[lusty merlin]

YOU WERNT THE FIREPHOPHET ACCOUNT??

OH

[fickle wing]

THAT WAS ME

[keen shore]

DID YOU THINK IT WAS ME THIS WHOLE TIME

[fickle wing]

evil scary donut <3

[lusty merlin]

TY KRII HELP

that comment reminded me of this

[pastel brook]

wha.....

-does a big think-

[keen shore]

I’m sorry for stealing your identity Krii 💔

[pastel brook]

can I join in?

[fickle wing]

if i had a quarter every time my identity was stolen in spirit/eldertwt id have 2 quarters

[lusty merlin]

This the 3rd time I got somebody’s name wrong when it comes to sky

[frigid tinsel]

Krii and Salem sorta share similar energies

[fickle wing]

wait hold on brb fighting for my life to open this pistachio

[sterile orchid]

skybot wants to steal krii's identity i think

[pastel brook]

I hear you but..do you think it's true?!

[keen shore]

Ceasing and commodore reading this:

[lusty merlin]

SILENCE

IM SO EMBARSSED ABT THAT /lh

[pastel brook]

Do light creatures get cold? 🤔

[rigid mural]

omg it even got tbh in its eyes

[wild pasture]

I swear, I see Skybot saying random stuff so much more here than in any other channel.

[frigid tinsel]

yea that’s why we dislike it

[keen shore]

YEAH!! I picked margays because they’re nocturnal, they climb a lot, and I can’t explain it but their faces in general (like the face structure not just the eyes) have tbh creature vibes

[fickle wing]

got the pistachio opened and it tasted nasty. Betrayal

[sterile orchid]

oh no!

[slender sphinx]

.. would now be a bad time to ask who put the crabs on a skewer in the wasteland bondfire

[sharp lichen]

Probably Pleaful Parent

[rigid mural]

me, i was hungy

[lusty merlin]

real

[slender sphinx]

just some skykid

[untold notch]

I figured pleaful liked crabs

[sterile orchid]

okay so this is a lore question about lore chat,, why do you guys use a specific heart to react to messages sometimes? like salem and the yellow heart emoji

[frigid tinsel]

personalization

[lusty merlin]

Hi this is from the days of bloom thing but wouldn’t this imply skykids can connect dreams? I find that awesome

[sharp lichen]

Think of it like a specific person liking a message

[untold notch]

appears in your dreams to spout nonsense

[raw crypt]

OH HEAH i forgot to bring that up here but I think that its a little bit more info for the weird subject that is meditation in sky, like it seems to be associated with transitioning, like going from one place to another in most cases, or in this case goimg from one thing to another,

[keen shore]

I use yellow because it’s the color of friendship! I think the tradition sprang from that

[lusty merlin]

Like astral projection?

[untold notch]

ME PROJECTION

[rigid mural]

And the butterfly became Chuang Tzu at waking.
Which was the real—the butterfly or the man ?```

[raw crypt]

ty for the trans react, transimh mh gender in the trial of fire

[keen shore]

candlemaker:

[lusty merlin]

Oo I guess it’s somthing like that

[sterile orchid]

this made me think that everyone collectively projects you like a hologram

[raw crypt]

maybe!

ive always found meditation really fascinating mainly with it being before the elders, trials and every level of vault, like it could just be a game mechanic of start this thing but it seems important-ish

[untold notch]

there is as much evidence for this as there is against this

[sterile orchid]

we would never know because it requires sleep!

[untold notch]

OI

[sterile orchid]

,,did i say something bad,,

[sharp lichen]

British??

[frigid tinsel]

the 💀 react is like 🤣 but in a “I’m dead” sort of way

[untold notch]

you may have aoe attacked the entire chat but it's probably fine

[sterile orchid]

i was just referencing the actual astral projection which you can really only do while asleep

[untold notch]

about as much as Al is

[frigid tinsel]

in which I am not

[untold notch]

sleeping is something this chat is notoriously bad at, I've noticed

you're fine it was really funny

[frigid tinsel]

Why am I sleepy?
(Slept for 5 hours today)

[pastel brook]

@rigid mural you said you'd help me in Eden, right?

[grim python]

vela can you throw this thing directly into one of the giant red crystals then go home

[untold notch]

that's what I'd do tbh

or fall under the map "on accident" and server split

[sterile orchid]

i would hold skybot's hand and lead them through the whole thing because i'm a decent Eden guide

[rigid mural]

fruit sticker to your face

[pastel brook]

yes!

[tepid veldt]

was the fruit sticker yummy, skybot

[slender sphinx]

how does it know when to reply...

[tepid veldt]

youd be surprised how much it does

[slender sphinx]

omnipresent

[sterile orchid]

skybot has given us some funny conversations in the past

i think it responds after being pinged but it doesn't happen every time so hard to tell

[sharp lichen]

Skybot is bar none my least favorite member of #lore-discussion-spoilers

[sterile orchid]

everyone here is equally my favorite, including skybot

[sharp lichen]

I remember when everyone hated on Skybot

[sterile orchid]

gets very annoying sometimes and i have no idea why it decides to cold ping people at random (boy do i hope i never get that) but SO helpful over in help chat besides that 💖

[rigid iron]

Skybot's fine until they start asking oddly specific questions

[tepid veldt]

waiting for the day we get a valley divorce question

[sterile orchid]

that would be amazing

[untold notch]

I still try

[pastel brook]

Where did the spirits get their clothing material from? I'm too shy to ask them..

[sharp lichen]

Mooly Wantas

[static zephyr]

Maybe they’re not wearing clothes that’s just their skin

Kidding kidding

[hushed steeple]

Cotton probably

They grow plants so like it's the most logical thing plus they could be making some other fibres with plants

[wintry mist]

so i was writing a short story on my OCS and, since the world they reside in follows mostly the laws of the game, was looking for the elder's names
found them, but also found a prince and a king?? ive never heard of this before, if someone knows do you mind telling me who they are and where evidence of their existence is??

Also, are the valley elders named Alef and Daleth? theres conflicting information on that

[untold notch]

obviously their names are Valley and Elders /joke

[frigid tinsel]

The Elders (plus the king & prince) have names based off Hebrew letters from concept development that are no longer canon, though the fandom sometimes refers to them as such:
Isle – Daleth (ד)
Prairie – Ayin (ע)
Forest – Teth (ט)
Valley – Samekh (ס) (they share a name, though the fandom refers to as Sah and as Mekh)
Wasteland – Tsadi (צ)
Vault – Lamed (ל)
Prince – Alef (א)
King – Resh (ר)

Though it seems the devs refer to the Elders by the times of day their realms represent:
Isle – Dawn
Prairie – Day
Forest – Rain
Valley – Sunset
Wasteland – Dusk
Vault – Night
Eden — Storm

[untold notch]

that too yeah

[lusty merlin]

The king and prince are like super vague, in a sence we’re unsure if they’re both the same or different characters. I personally like to believe their the same if they still even go by king/prince ingame, but we really only see any reference to them in the vault cutscene and possibly the eden mural but that’s it. And that is done intentionally

[wintry mist]

yup, noticed this, I was confused because ive seen a lot of people in the fandom refer to the valley elders as Daleth and Alef

[round parrot]

Just a little note, please don't ping people with "don't ping" in their name

[frigid tinsel]

the Japanese/Chinese communities tend to

[lusty merlin]

Yaya that’s what I was about to say too so I guess it varies from community

[wintry mist]

whoops, wasn't aware, my bad
forgot that responding pings the other person

[frigid tinsel]

you can disable the ping when replying to messages

[wintry mist]

alr, sweet thanks

[harsh arrow]

why can the user just disable pings? 💀

[sharp lichen]

Aspen???? Is it really you??

What a coincidence!

so although we know an Eden Elder exists in the game, we don’t know what name it is. In fact, there are many, many names used for it.

[fickle snow]

um...... theory: next ts is someone from season of prophecy

[static zephyr]

10/10 theory

OK I’ve heard a theory going around about the little prince on how he’s somehow connected to the actual prince of sky and I just want to hear what you guys think about that sense we are unsure if the crossover Seasons are canon

[untold notch]

my opinion is that the two aren't related but I wouldn't call the crossover seasons non canon

[ocean grove]

So whats up over here

Anything interesting?

[wintry mist]

i’ve been here since june 2020 so yupppp HELLO
man i’ve been here so long and i have never heard of a prince or king 😔 am i truly a sky children of the light player? 😭

[cold sparrow]

sure you are
indepth knowledge of the lore is not required to play and enjoy the game
and the prince and king have questionable canon status anyway - those terms are taken from old concept art, and there is only one mural in the game indicating an actual regent of some sort, but their exact role in the current canon is still largely shrouded in mystery

[untold notch]

the King is just gone fishing that's why we never see them obviously

[cold sparrow]

🤔

[brisk python]

king went to go get milk

[earnest briar]

They're secretly just ice fishing in Village of Dreams and hide whenever we're there because they don't want any more of this King business and just want to have a good time.

[sharp lichen]

It’s been so long since we’ve all played 😭 do you remember Semi? Oli? Molly?

And yeah, the king and the prince are obscure, don’t worry about it

[round parrot]

Fishing with Laidback

[wintry mist]

played with semi yesterday a bit and i talk to oli occasionally

[wintry mist]

smh I KNEW IT it all makes sense now.. the lore… the names…

[graceful tusk]

Is the beckoning ruler the real king

[rigid ember]

wow long time since i talked here
hello

[cold sparrow]

unlikely that they would turn what is implied to be a central figure in the kingdom's history into such a minor character in a cross-over season
I once saw the theory that the TLP spirits are caricatures of some of the elders, so there might be some connection there
the way I imagine it... with the whole dream-y feeling of the area and the real-life storybook connection the season has, plus all the memory lanterns and the theory that some of this memory projection magic might have leaked out and warped the Vault....

I could imagine the TLP spirits to either be the dreams and desires of these spirits... perhaps their remaining memories and how they saw themselves has warped under the influence of the vault and the stored memories in there
or they might actually be fictional tales that have once been stored in the memory lanters come to 'life' (or, unlife? spirit life? ykno, turned into lingering memories in the shape of spirits)

[lusty merlin]

Morning lore chat

[half shadow]

WHY THE ROTISSERIE CHICKEN

[vague glen]

gw elder gotta grill

[lusty merlin]

Yeah you get me!!!

[rigid iron]

#2 grillmaster

[untold notch]

who's #1...

[lusty merlin]

Sassy ofcorse

[keen shore]

Dusk can’t be number one cause they’re not allowed to win anything 💔

[earnest briar]

Dusk is a winner in my heart 🥰

[half shadow]

after some introspection ive come to realize i was mistaken. the rotisserie chicken is absolutely essential and it took me some time to understand that. i’m listening and learning always and i appreciate the willingness from all of you to help me understand. have a blessed day

[rigid iron]

The rotisserie chicken is there because I couldn't find any burger stickers that I thought were girlypop enough

[half shadow]

you were so right. GW is #girl

[untold notch]

#girl ! this hot pink elder is named breakfast ‼️

[keen shore]

This elder has committed mur-HER 💖

[rigid iron]

Here you guys can have the background as a treat 💖

[half shadow]

GW’s character in my brain constantly struggles between them being an absolute softy and very gentle and only prone to brutality when absolutely necessary. or they’re like warriormale from tumblr. Train and fight!

[lusty merlin]

hit the SLAY button /ref

[half shadow]

the slay button is the one in front of their temple you have to light up that summons all the krills

[rigid iron]

Both

[fickle wing]

tsadi tuesday <3

[sharp lichen]

Supposedly, the King has been destroyed before we start our journey. I don’t know how a random spirit can just save themselves from complete destruction

[sharp lichen]

Even if the beckoning king isn’t the real king, I still heavily think it’s a physical place, if a bit warped

[half shadow]

I really like the theory that the little prince spirits are allegorical representations of the elders. not necessarily 1:1 but I do think it works out if we maintain that TLP is a story that was kept in the Vault and thus relevant to ancestor culture - which itself is kind of a stretch but it’s my favorite interpretation of how it fits in to canon

i don’t recall if somebody already mapped out which spirit correlates to which elder though

[sharp lichen]

Beckoning King is Isle (?), Star Collecter is Prairie?, Lamplighter is Forest, Gloat is Valley, Darkwater is Wasteland, Geographer is Vault

[half shadow]

right gotcha thanks!!

[sharp lichen]

I mean, the TLP spirits are near identical to the versions in the book, so unless the elders were inspired by the TLP adults (which I heavily doubt), it’s probably a coincidence

[half shadow]

Isle is interesting interpretation. i feel like we know less about that Elder than any of the others

[half shadow]

no I get that trust me I’ve read it, I’m just saying it might have been a consideration taken by the team on how to adapt them to the world of Sky

[sharp lichen]

Aren’t the TLP spirits taken word for word?

[half shadow]

you mean like, their titles or names? if so then no, for example there’s “the vain man” who ended up as Narcie. Lamplighter is the same term used in the story though

I dont know if all the same dialogue is there

[sharp lichen]

I meant the dialogue

[half shadow]

well iirc the spirits don’t actually have dialogue. if you meant the dialogue of like the different seasonal quests with the prince then yeah there’s direct quotes in those

[sharp lichen]

But it would be astounding to me for TGC to either bend over backwards to make 3 or so TLP characters slightly fit the Elders or to have it all planned for the elders to be inspired on the TLP characters

[cold sparrow]

I have regrettibly never read the book
were there any characters in the book that are not included in sky?

because depending on which and how many were left out.... that might be indicative that TGC has selected these for a reason
whether that may be that they just fit the narrative they wanted to tell in Sky in that season, or a bigger contextual reason

[sterile orchid]

i remember the spirit's memories having dialogue between the little prince and the spirit so they do say things but i've never read the book so i don't know if they say the same thing

[sharp lichen]

The pilot, which is the narrator character, and the snake, which is supposedly represented by the krill

[sterile orchid]

i thought the narrator character is the rose

[half shadow]

I dont think it’s that far fetched of an idea personally. The characters from the original TLP novel are meant to be generalizations of “adults” and their roles in society contrasted to children, and how adults should be able to learn from children’s ability to be imaginative and not forget they used to be children, too. I think that the theme of childhood and adulthood very much works with Sky’s core message and was probably one of the reasons why the collaboration was made, there was already a lot of synergy there in both stories, so I don’t think it’s out of nowhere to consider that the role the Elders play in Sky were contrasted with the role of the men in the novel; again, not 1:1, but it makes sense to me

[half shadow]

nah the original story has the pilot character! he meets the prince in a desert and the whole story is from the pilots point of view recalling the prince in a pretty mournful tone. the plane you can find in the starlight desert and the one you can ride in the planet are reference to him

[sterile orchid]

the mention of the snake being represented by the krill made it sound like it's about the season itself and not the book they probably left out the snake because that's just an animal, and the pilot's role would have been carried out by the rose being the guide, so tgc didn't include him either

[sharp lichen]

I know, but the things we get from the TLP spirits are only retroactively applied to the Elders in sometimes questionable ways. For example, the Darkwater Drinker’s personality is not in any way reflective of the Wasteland Elder besides the fact that they’re both… tired? Beckoning King to Isle is also odd, because we’ve seen Daleth to be pretty generous and caring.

[half shadow]

my point is more so that I believe there was an effort made to stylize the spirits after the different realms/elders and that there are a few pretty obvious ones - Valley and Narc, Wasteland and Soldier, Geographer and Vault - that could indicate things about the roles the Elders played in the Before Times, or maybe just the general culture of the areas as they existed in the past. it’s a pretty negative point of view obviously but that’s how it’s meant to be in the book as well. I dont know how well I’m explaining this as I have a headache rn but I’m bored so I haven’t put down my phone lmao

[sharp lichen]

Fair enough, but I’ll conclude: I believe the TLP spirits are just sending the message that “adults are uncreative and bad”, which makes sense in a game featuring and starring children

[frigid tinsel]

iirc it’s:
Beckoning Ruler — Dawn
Star Collector — Day
Stretching Lamplighter — Rain
Gloating Narc — Sunset
Slouching Soldier — Dusk
Sneezing Geographer — Night

[half shadow]

i would argue there’s a little bit more nuance to that point especially considering the novel’s points, and i don’t really think that’s the exact message that Sky is trying to tell either but i don’t know if i can explain it super well atm

oh thanks Alasdair, that’s neat!!

[frigid tinsel]

TLP spirits are analogous to the adults in the book, in which there are only the six. They are not 1-to-1, but they are very similar

[frigid tinsel]

Also, iirc, The Little Prince was one of the inspirations for Sky

[half shadow]

i was gonna type something about Dawn but my head hurts too much i’m gonna hop off for a bit, if i remember i’ll post it later

[sharp lichen]

I still can barely see it. Why is the star collecter Ayin/Prairie Elder when they’ve been shown to be more generous than anything and haven’t used related to darkstone? Wouldn’t it make more sense for Rain?

I don’t think it fits all too well

[frigid tinsel]

As stated already, the TLP spirits are caricatures of the Elders. Caricatures are not positive representations but rather exaggerate negative, perceived or otherwise, traits of the subject being satirized.

These are not good representations of the Elders. Via the TLP spirits, the Elders are not cast in a fair light.

[cold sparrow]

Prairie Elder and prairie people are shown to try and capture light - and perhaps even light creatures such as butterflies
and possibly shipped them off to forest/other places where such light was used and later refined

[frigid tinsel]

Star Collector hoards "stars" and, as the intro says, "all are given breath by starlight." light creatures could be equivocated to stars. light creatures' light were used to make power diamonds and Day Elder is often thought to care for light creatures. why, then would Day willingly send light creatures off to die? perhaps there were negotiations Day wasn't fond of and as demand increased, more light creatures were needed, but Day would refuse to send more. compromise sending more and more light creatures albeit reluctantly. to those who benefited from darkstone technology, it would seem that Day was stringent with light creatures, so they would be precieved as a hoarder of light creatures, of power diamonds, of stars.

Stretching Lamplighter overworks themself. Rain Elder's temple seconds as a refinery and even in their cutscene, they are constructing a power diamond. Rain also carried heavy blacksmith symbolism. so they were probably almost always seen working, creating, manufacturing – perhaps Rain overworks themself

[sharp lichen]

I guess

[cold sparrow]

I admit, there are some other associations that can be drawn too
I know the warrior has the biggest, well, warrior references
but lamplighter could just as well be a representation for GW elder
just following orders

while the warrior's drinking issue reminds me of prairie elder being all snoozy, and prairie in general being filled with these very same jars which surely have been used for catching and storing light for the most part, but also reminds a little of alcohol breweries and storage (especially that one cave with the boat, which even has little darkness sprouts growing out of... bottles filled with darkness water perhaps?)

[sharp lichen]

What do you mean “just following orders”? Wasn’t the elder a general?

I think the TLP spirits don’t represent one elder each, they might all be representative of the ancestors in general

[raw crypt]

the spirits are at least meant to be tied to a realm at least, thought id drop this concept art

[sterile orchid]

Dawn would be seen as "a strict guide" when it's really just that they're older and know what they're doing, giving experiences to people so that they don't make mistakes.
depicted as a strict king that doesn't like when it seems like statues might be stepping out of line

[skipping over star collector and lamplighter bc Alasdair beat me to it with a better explanation]

Valley is a place of entertainment - there's lots of sports, plays, music, etc. all over Valley and even the city layout seems to be done just to show off.
I imagine valley twins would be seen only as people who show off, only caring about public image, when they're probably just trying to get people engaged and interested in fun and healthy competition and it happens to be that darkstone is part of making that happen

Slouching soldier as dusk... i mean, the pollution is everywhere in the water for wasteland, so it could be that people who don't know why the water is polluted just kind of made up that everyone is choosing to not do anything about it, when in reality they physically can't do anything about it.

Geographer and Night feels like a pretty OK link to me. the spirit is studying the story of the prince, and seems to have a lot of information to look through already, and Vault is all about knowledge and studies of different things

[frigid tinsel]

with Slouching Soldier, true, you have a point. though consider that they're, well, a soldier. a lot of soldiers return from war haunted by what they saw or do. if they don't get adequate mental healthcare, they cope with their PTSD and traumas by taking drugs like alcohol and dark water seems to affect ancestors like alcohol does to humans.

the dialogue Slouching Soldier exchanges with LP is that they drink "because I'm ashamed." perhaps ashamed of whatever atrocities they committed during the war or even survivor's guilt. yea, they said that they're ashamed because they drink, but their dialogue and reasonings were cyclic. something had to send them into that cycle.

[frigid tinsel]

Slink the TLP spirits' #1 fan stepping up when needed

[sharp lichen]

Maybe, but isn’t concept art concept for a reason? Idk

[sterile orchid]

concept art is only an initial idea, yes, but everything still comes from the concept art. if it wasn't part of the general idea anymore, there would have to be an entirely new set of concept art

[cold sparrow]

that concept art shows that it was at least a consideration that these book characters can fit into each realm

[raw crypt]

i think their designs and little islands are meant to invoke a feeling of these people being from all over the kingdom and the concept art just sorta helps strengthen that, especially for characters whos ties r more unclear; I understand being wary about the elders and tlp association; i think its a fair assessment that the tlp r each from / represent a realm and so ppl tie elders bc elders are like. sorta a representation of their realms

[sharp lichen]

The “Elders being a representation of their realms” is an interesting theory, but I don’t know how accurate it is.

[raw crypt]

im not wording right but like, elders r tied to their realms as their leaders yknow

[sharp lichen]

Yeah

[sterile orchid]

not an exact "this is exactly what the people are like" kind of representation but giving us a hint of their personalities without having to go relive a bunch of spirits

[sharp lichen]

The thing is, it seems a bit odd to me. Why are the elders’ personalities being tied to other people entirely, without getting their own characters?

[raw crypt]

Yea!

And bc tgc hates giving us elder content lmao

[frigid tinsel]

the adults in The Little Prince were caricatures of adults and satirizing adulthood. you could say it makes sense to do the same with the Elders, who we, as skykids, don't see much of in-game

[sterile orchid]

also the elders are the most "adult" kind of role we can get when the spirits interact with the sky kids as little as they actually do

[frigid tinsel]

yup yup

[raw crypt]

Theyre sorta vague in game because we only see them in one cutscene and 1 orbit cutscene, and sometimes in murals and extra knowledge tidbits (ie flight guide is prairie elders apprentice) sometimes ppl draw upon other sources to try and flesh these characters out more, for fun

so we draw upon ppl in their realms and associated with realms

anyways post beckoning ruler prophecy throne

[sharp lichen]

Ok WHAT

[sterile orchid]

yo where'd they get that you can barely see the flame icon but it's there

[frigid tinsel]

looks like NetEase
lmao it says so in the small text at the top

[rigid mural]

Each TLP spirit is linked to a realm, so linking them to elders isn't that far-fetched.

[untold notch]

ask me again when tgc does anything with the elders

[sharp lichen]

Fair enough 😭

[raw crypt]

Yep! Netease! https://sky.163.com/news/strategy/20211012/29298_978047.html It was originally shown in yhe twt vids but it was cropped bc square so this is the full image

(love the additions like gloats awful haircuts (and soldier has no additions LOL))

[untold notch]

because when does wasteland ever get anything

[raw crypt]

average wasteland moment

[sharp lichen]

More than Isle

[tepid veldt]

must be a wasteland thing

[white junco]

wasteland just gets The Horrors

[untold notch]

but also, everything in this fandom is a stretch it's frustrating but how it is

[frigid tinsel]

I wonder if the devs have a number of designs for soldiers since Slouching Soldier and Wounded Warrior's outfits are similar. also there are a lot of generic soldier models

[sterile orchid]

oh no the haircuts

soldier having no concept art shown here is actually kinda funny

[white junco]

slink do you have the tlp concept where slouch has the emo hair

[raw crypt]

its prob cause the text is translating ghe twt posts, and in those posts the devs are talking abt the characters, usually how they resonate with them

but no one talks abt slouch directly for. probably obvious reasons so. SKIPPED in tye netease post

OF COURSE

[lusty merlin]

Looks like they’re gonna tell you they missed the schoolbus

[raw crypt]

early tlp spirit concepts for the most part r just . little guys

or so extra

[white junco]

TY SLINK

[raw crypt]

everyone else

[tepid veldt]

woah concept gloat

[raw crypt]

sorry i show up and its slink showimg the class tlp art for the 1000th time

and ikr tgeyre so cool i love clowns

[rigid mural]

im not over the gloat glow up

[white junco]

they took all of ruler's drip 💔 sad

[sharp lichen]

Bishop cardinal drip

[tepid veldt]

purble star collector theyre so cool

[raw crypt]

im glad they kept the scarf in a way, star “my husband died under mysterious circumstances” collector

[rigid mural]

thats the closest we can get in Sky to what happened in 1789 /j

[sterile orchid]

fourth one at the top of the gloating concept art reminds me of masquerade outfits

[raw crypt]

i got so sidetracked with concept art, while i dont think elders = tlp (either as similar or antithetical) is entirely canon/intentional (i do think the realms are tho), its a very fun venue to brainstorm about, and we get silly

goobuhbye

[untold notch]

baibai

[sterile orchid]

it's definitely not exact with what spirit fits where, but that's also how it winds up if you pass down stories enough times so i think it's about as good as we get

[raw crypt]

tlp spirits <3

[lusty merlin]

I mourn for this fit everyday/j

[raw crypt]

the absolute devastation that wouldve hit yhis fandom if they went with that design

[half shadow]

GOD

I think the final concept art stages are the closest visually to representing their respective realms - even the end stage Ruler, which controversially could be attributed to Dawn, has a staff like they do. all of the jars on Collector’s back resembles Prarie’s light jars more clearly. Narcie has a long paddle just like the Valley Elders use, et cetera. even if the resemblances aren’t as clear in the ingame models it’s still a pretty fair way to see what the designers had in mind. I think that they intentionally made the resemblances less 1:1 by the time the ingame models were created

it’s also neat to see that Slouching Soldier’s old design most likely contributed to Bereft Veteran’s in Remembrance. the hairstyle and cape color specifically!

[untold notch]

it's also worth noting that concept art for seasons (at least in what they post) usually shows the design process of one spirit, and I would imagine it's at least somewhat better than tomcepts as a source

[pastel brook]

Preposterous!

What was the Ancestor form of currency?

[untold notch]

I vote not candles

[pastel brook]

uwu

[sharp lichen]

I don’t get this, tomcepts also show various design processes

[untold notch]

just realized I had a faulty string of logic under that statement resorting in process

[south depot]

I’m confused, why do I see valley twins when I look up alef in images, I thought alef was Eden guy

[untold notch]

I want to say the distinction for me is between concepts that were made Before the game came out and concepts made After the game came out

[untold notch]

I remember hearing that other communities (the Chinese community in specific, iirc?) use different names for some of the elders so that's probably why

[sharp lichen]

But they still have the same canonicity, even if they cover different stuff

[untold notch]

that's not what I said?

[lusty merlin]

Yeah the Chinese community uses the old Alef daleth concept names to refer to The Valley twins than what we do for Sah and Mekh in the English community

[sharp lichen]

What’s the difference between unreleased cut content from before the game and unreleased cut content of seasons?

[lusty merlin]

Pre game sky didn’t fully come to terms on what it’s identity was until it released, cut content of seasons are more consistent and more grounded with the theme and identity of sky, that’s how I see it

[untold notch]

don't have the words to explain that currently, but I will say that the game itself matches the concepts we were talking about pretty well too

that's always important regardless of which flavor of concepts it matches with

[signal spire]

what is general lore for the forest elder?

[untold notch]

has a big ol hammer

[sharp lichen]

Let me pull up the image

[sharp lichen]

I don’t see this, although many pre- 2019 Sky concepts aren’t in the current game for a reason, there’s still q whole lot of stuff that fits well with Sky’s themes of togetherness and unity

[half shadow]

well I mean both of these things can be true. some stuff made post game launch probably are the same way.

i would agree with Tac though as i think it’s obvious that things like more recent concept art from past seasons versus concept art from when the whole game was in production, aka when the main story and setting was being designed, would have more stable grounds just because of what is already established at this point. i’m pretty sure that’s all Tac was trying to say

obviously some concept art from pre-2019 are still present and relevant to the game today and thus, at least in my opinion, perfectly viable for theorycrafting, but post-game release concept art is probably much more aligned with the game as it is today as well.

oops I meant both Tac and Astral, not just Tac!

[keen shore]

I’m late but there’s also a lot of other connections to each elder in the tlp spirit memories. Like for instance, beckoning ruler’s memory includes them telling birds where to go, lamplighter’s centers around them maintaining a darkstone device, slouch’s is about them trying to escape from wartime trauma and guilt while surrounded by pollution…

there’s a lot of cool details in the memories that you can connect easily to the elders; I’ve just listed the elder personality traits you can reference from their cutscenes easily. It’s definitely not only a design resemblance

[sharp lichen]

Yeah, definitely. The problem is, we get so little concept art?? Where’s my beloved Shattering concepts??

[untold notch]

died in the Aurora war

[lusty merlin]

Yeah exactly

[sharp lichen]

I have a very weird relationship with Sky canonicity. Does it directly contradict any worldbuilding or theme that came before? No? Then it could very well be canon

[keen shore]

to me it’s intentional but they’re not exactly one to one parallels if it makes sense. i gotta wonder if the elders were based partially off those specific book characters when they were being developed, then were changed to be their own characters and fit into the world better — if I remember correctly during the TLP collab announcement it was implied that Sky some inspiration from it. It could be that while the elders were being created, the characters from TLP were used as part of their inspiration, so they ended up being similar to spirits whose concept was ‘tlp characters altered a bit to fit in Sky world’.

This is just speculation, since I don’t know enough about TLP the book to know for sure

[sharp lichen]

Weren’t the Elders originally animal furries?

[sterile orchid]

concept art is not 100% canon, but can be used to support other points by basically saying "oh look there's an old image that supports this idea as well, so it was at least intended at some point"

there's still some similarities between what we get in-game and the concept art so it's good to remember the concepts

[keen shore]

Yeah, like, if it’s your only piece of evidence, then the theory it creates is often weak, but if it’s with current ingame stuff it can help support those

[sharp lichen]

I do hope theorycrafting doesn’t become a competition, where it’s judged from weak to strong. I’m in the firm belief that the vast majority Sky theories are worth treating equally

[keen shore]

that is not what i meant by calling a theory weak, it just means it’s shaky in terms of evidence

[untold notch]

I'm in the firm belief that evidence is the real king in this channel

[fickle wing]

i think if you went digging in thge valley for a rlly long time youd find a ps3 frozen in the ice

[sterile orchid]

channel pins actively encourage us to not do that actually. give counter evidence for it and see if there's more things the other person can dig up, but never say something is outright wrong

[keen shore]

For instance, I can say something like… the ancestors didn’t make clothes, they just grew them from their body like fur and sometimes shed them, because we never see them making clothes. This is fine as a headcanon, I don’t really care, but if you’re trying to canon chase it wouldn’t be taken very seriously. This is what people usually call a ‘weak’ theory

[half shadow]

yes to all of this i totally forgot about the birds in ruler’s memory!

[sterile orchid]

oh no. why would you give me this image salem

[keen shore]

I am tired so maybe the words I chose weren’t the best, but arguing about semantics is boring and frustrating anyways, and to my knowledge the term ‘weak theory’ is a fairly common one that does not imply a theory battle royale

[frigid tinsel]

Something I’ve noticed is that Shattering seems to reuse a lot of previously discarded concepts. There’s a reason I made this meme with a Tom Zhao concept after the final frozen memory was revealed.

[sterile orchid]

imagining the ancestors like a chow chow or poodle. currently dying brb

[keen shore]

alright hermit sit down it’s time to shave you

[untold notch]

wow I hate this !

[keen shore]

Good :3

[sharp lichen]

It still technically could be canon, as horrifying as that imagery could be

[half shadow]

anything could be canon, some things just have more evidence than others is what i believe Salem is meaning to say. theories are just theories

[keen shore]

That’s the reason I picked it as an example! Otherwise, I ran the risk of people saying “actually, this can be disproved by (evidence here)” and entirely missing my original point

[sharp lichen]

There’s no evidence against it however. Let’s get off the horrifying train and talk about, say, where the Elders came from. For that, we have literally zero leads from it, so each theory can be considered equally likely to be canon

[half shadow]

that’s kind of their point i think?

[frigid tinsel]

There’s also no evidence for or against the idea that the entire universe was made last Thursday

[fickle wing]

IMMEDIATE mental image of hermit but like. Shaved down like this

[sterile orchid]

NOO

[sharp lichen]

What have we wrought

[half shadow]

i think we have some evidence for where they came from, don’t we think they fell from the stars as well? i cant recall exactly

[sterile orchid]

the lion cut cats look so cool sometimes but i hate seeing it

[fickle wing]

or we could give them a minecraft cut

[sharp lichen]

True, but Sky is so hazy with so much stuff that I’m thinking finding a complete, accurate canon too hard to be worth chasing

[raw crypt]

i need the shattering and aurora concepts yo return from yhe war bc my 2020-2022 concept art message haunts me for that reason

[frigid tinsel]

Why does this exist, who thought that was a good idea?

[keen shore]

Yeah, this! Along with the addition that, if you really wanted to get the most probably accurate idea as to what the intended story behind an event is, you’d probably go for a theory with more evidence — this is what people tend to call ‘stronger’ theories (to my knowledge). It doesn’t mean the ideas with less evidence are bad or shouldn’t exist, they just have a lower probability of being correct

[lusty merlin]

Minecraft dog

[sterile orchid]

people like styling dogs into shapes. have you seen this guy?

[sharp lichen]

Probability? Are we gonna find the chance of any theory happening in Sky?? AP STATS DONT FAIL ME NOW

[frigid tinsel]

Illegal

[fickle wing]

apparently it was a dog grooming show and there was also a heart one

[raw crypt]

yeah i get what you mean!! sorry if i seem wishy washy but i do agree and its fun thing to consider since sky took insp from tlp how much that influenced the narrative

[half shadow]

i mean we had a theory about mantas being drained for light, then abyss came along and all but confirmed that via the mural, so i’d consider that proven myself

[frigid tinsel]

This reminded me of egg dog

[fickle wing]

running over to valley with a pair of kindergarten craft scissors to give hermit a fresh new haircut

[sterile orchid]

i was trying to find egg dog but the best i got was sphere

[sharp lichen]

Omw to backread 2 million messages to catalog 80,000 theories and sort them by lowest to highest probability of happening

[keen shore]

And that’s fair for you to decide for yourself. I’ve debated this point of view in the past, but have found that, instead of lessening my stress, it just makes me less likely to think of ideas that I actually like to explain things I would otherwise dismiss as ‘too vague’, like WL. In short, telling myself it isn’t worth looking too deep into things doesn’t make me happier and just ends up limiting my creativity.

[frigid tinsel]

Hi wonderhoy I see you like egg dog

[inner basalt]

yep

[sterile orchid]

i love how some of us are having an actual discussion and everyone else is just looking at weird dog cuts

[untold notch]

big agree with your about me wonderhoy sorry thats unrelated

[inner basalt]

see someone gets me

[untold notch]

the new event in jp... emus base card is the only good one to me

[frigid tinsel]

Drawing the lurkers out with weirdly cut dogs

[inner basalt]

this is my rhythm guide dog say hi to him

[fickle wing]

fan art for this beast

[inner basalt]

i need her card omg.

[sharp lichen]

Eden Diamond black hole theory confirmed??

[untold notch]

you wouldn't download a sandwich...

[frigid tinsel]

😔🤘

[inner basalt]

HEDLP

[sterile orchid]

why it pixel

[inner basalt]

naww they made them pixel 🤯

[untold notch]

they got downloaded but not in the lossless file format

[sterile orchid]

did the sandwich get downloaded too?

[inner basalt]

sadly yes/j

[half shadow]

i mean, i don’t expect you to? i personally was just saying that it’s something that’s happened before. iirc the “light creatures drained for power” theory was began due to a piece of pre-2019 concept art of the Forest elder temple acting as a refinery for mantas, which then years later ended up being all but confirmed canon. the evidence before Abyss was more or less the existence of the refinery, the way that butterflies seemed to be used for light energy or at least stored and then shipped through the kingdom for some unknown reason, and probably some other things i can’t remember atm.

all this to say that it was a fairly reasonable theory that had some decent evidence scattered throughout the world before it was finally confirmed. that’s what Salem is trying to illustrate i’m pretty sure. xyr example with the hair-clothes theory being a “weaker” due to lack of evidence in comparison to something like the light creature draining theory was just meant to show that some ideas have more clear reasons they might be true compared to others. this doesn’t mean one is better or more fun to talk about, obviously.

[sharp lichen]

I te was a joke, I’m not doin all that

[keen shore]

Tone Indicators Save Lives

[untold notch]

I cannot help but feel if that's the exact opposite of the goal

wait . twas a Jest. explodes

[half shadow]

oh alright i thought you were genuinely confused or not getting xyr point, my bad

[sharp lichen]

It paints a worrying picture of me that you think I was seriously going to do that 💀

[half shadow]

well i wasn’t really taking that part seriously i just used it to get my thoughts out lol

in any case i would argue that yeah, it’s not really so simple as “absolutely any theory could be canon” and that there are definitively some that are More Likely To Be Canon. i believe that while a lot of Sky’s story is interpretative, especially the bigger picture things, there’s also a decent amount of things that just make more sense given ingame support than other things

again though that’s not to say that theories like the clothes hair theory aren’t inherently worse or less fun to discuss. i love the idea of shaving yeti into fun minecraft shape

[untold notch]

for today's theory I am throwing One against the wall like a bouncy ball

[half shadow]

i also do hope it never becomes like a competition or that this channel has a competitive vibe to it; just because there are some theories that may be wider accepted or supported doesn’t mean that they’re 100% true, and i hope that my own passion doesn’t give off any sense of superiority in that regard myself

[keen shore]

NOOOO…

[untold notch]

tell me your secrets... boioing

[raw crypt]

boioioiong

[fickle wing]

soaking resh in milk and throwing them against the wall to make a loud thud

[sharp lichen]

High treason

[half shadow]

i would give them a noogie

[untold notch]

throws the bouncy ball in your face and runs away while you're stunned

[keen shore]

Do you think you could throw their mask like a frisbee? Evenly balanced on all sides, could probably use it like a throwing star with enough effort

[fickle wing]

snapping off the points and using them as rlly bad darts

[sharp lichen]

Ceresheal

[keen shore]

shoving them in a locker and calling them a nerd like I’m a 90s bully

[sterile orchid]

you can get playing cards stuck in things like a knife if you throw them the right way, i'm sure a mask could be used as a weapon

[keen shore]

Why did we all immediately jump to violence

[sterile orchid]

i don't know

[half shadow]

we can’t say they haven’t earned it

[sharp lichen]

Spirit violence is inevitable

[inner basalt]

this image still makes me laugh

[sterile orchid]

looks like the minecraft wheat icon ngl

[half shadow]

looks like a paint brush of mine

[inner basalt]

my sister said it looks like gabe the dog

[keen shore]

HELP

[inner basalt]

EHDLPP

[frigid tinsel]

put 'em in the pit

[sterile orchid]

i don't remember seeing them before but now that i have.
yeah, i think Salem was right we should try playing frisbee with the mask. looks like it would be fun

[untold notch]

uses their mask as an umbrella

[keen shore]

It’s like frisbee but with more murder (because the spikes would hit people)

[sterile orchid]

better hope you have good reflexes

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[tepid veldt]

its so deep that i cant see the words “its that deep” are cut off in discord’s preview

[forest iris]

I heard of a theory that skykids are actually blind without the masks, that somehow through the light they gain the ability to see. This is mainly based off of two points:

1.) The most obvious - without masks, skykids always have their eyes shut.

2.) When skykids are near an object (walls, items, lanterns, etc.), they will reach out to touch it.

And also bonus: "sound is more than half of the experience"... A bit far fetched but this may be alluding to that.

Lore chat, thoughts?

[cunning umbra]

Skykids actively look at and touch things in their environment that they probably only would have been able to if they could see. I think the sky kids are blind theory is a bit strange because I feel like it doesn't make much sense with how they move and react to the environment.

[pastel brook]

just chillin, waiting to hear something cool

Do light creatures get cold? 🤔

[cunning umbra]

Considering how many manta just casually hang out everywhere in valley they probably don't get too cold but the only jellyfish in valley hide in caves (yes I am answering skybot's question )

[untold notch]

your body will

[lusty merlin]

Yeah i feel like we’d have terms to hint to said blindness or making it more clear

Like when we “call” to help the light guide us when it’s not named echolocation. And Skykid’s somtimes do flips or spins on their own at random, I feel like if they were blind they wouldn’t make sudden movement that would throw them off corse

And aurora spirits also have their eyes closed too, basically maskless with just facepaint and white lashes yet they manage fine and all. Like all we’re doing activities that somebody with blindness that would be challenging and/or dangerous to do without assistance, like unsafe mining, a war medic, and racing in the air

I bring aurora spirits since if skykids are blind here, then wouldn’t it apply to the aurora spirits aswell for the same eyes being closed thing?

[sterile orchid]

also if sky kids were blind then what's the point of the emotes
you can still use them when maskless, and maskless players can see you using the emotes, you could make a case for "gameplay mechanics limit this" but even then it doesn't make sense

[lusty merlin]

yaya plus hide and go seek wouldn't make sence, we point to another skykid when we find them, not touch them

[pastel brook]

hey, hey! I have a theory!

Sounds like it!

[south saddle]

skimming through lore chat is so surreal because i double take every time gw elder is referred to as dusk

[hushed steeple]

What are the names of all of the elders?

[lusty merlin]

Elder Names by Alasdair#8513

The Elders (plus the king & prince) have names based off Hebrew letters from concept development that are no longer canon, though the fandom sometimes refers to them as such:
Isle – Daleth (ד)
Prairie – Ayin (ע)
Forest – Teth (ט)
Valley – Samekh (ס) (they share a name, though the fandom refers to as Sah and as Mekh)
Wasteland – Tsadi (צ)
Vault – Lamed (ל)
Prince – Alef (א)
King – Resh (ר)

Though it seems the devs refer to the Elders by the times of day their realms represent:
Isle – Dawn
Prairie – Day
Forest – Rain
Valley – Sunset
Wasteland – Dusk
Vault – Night
Eden – Storm

Here🎉

[pastel brook]

heeheehee

Did you know crabs are non-flammable?

[round parrot]

But you are

[blazing holly]

crabs just flop themselves

[frosty mortar]

I'm still ever so confused by the rain and storm one bcs it's not everyday you get rain nor a storm

[round parrot]

well, there really isn't another way to name forest other than Teth
unless you've got ideas

[cold sparrow]

Hidden Forest Elder is always an option

[ebon wind]

Does that mean one valley elder is sun and the other is set? 🤔

[halcyon hull]

Sunset 1, Sunset 2.

[ebon wind]

Ah yes I believe that sounds more academic

[cold sparrow]

Sunset Left Half, Sunset Right Half

[tepid veldt]

we are the sunset elder

[round parrot]

Valley and Elder
(but I do think that the names being Sun and Set is cool)

[south saddle]

googled sunset synonyms cause I was curious, and consider this: sunset and sundown

basically same thing but distinct enough to be different

[south saddle]

forest could be evening? they do have that kinda vibe, and it's in between day and sunset so,

[round parrot]

Sundown is basically dusk

[cold sparrow]

I think tbh the point is that they're basically two parts of one and the same

[south saddle]

yeah fair was just suggesting stuff that wasn't two halves of the same word

[cold sparrow]

I think if anything, it should be that day = noon and rain = afternoon
but that doesn't sound as nice

[round parrot]

But the way on how we went in was not evening tho? plus, Vault is already called night

[south saddle]

?? what? also I might be misunderstanding what evening even is

mkay so yeah it's basically just another version of sunset, rain it is

[static zephyr]

Hmm do what do you think the Elders want now that I think about it we don’t know what they want or do

[cold sparrow]

want in what way?

[round parrot]

A hug

[south saddle]

dude i am way too dyslexic for this conversation

[static zephyr]

hug

[round parrot]

Oh sorry
I was the one who misunderstood evening

[south saddle]

no I think we were both confused honestly

i thought evening was like a fancier way of saying afternoon

[cold sparrow]

evening is the time between afternoon and night, starting shortly before sunset/dusk and ending sometime after

[static zephyr]

It is

[south saddle]

god y'all are all saying different things and im so confused
let's just stick to rain or something

[static zephyr]

Ok ok if you don’t mind me changing the topic
How do you think all dark creatures are created since the poem says “and all life breaths light” so how did they become dark?

[south saddle]

MY EYES
my brightness is not low enough for this

[tepid veldt]

krills are confirmed to be corrupted (insert that one interview screenshot here) and i believe salem and alasdair share a theory on crabs being corrupted jellyfish. i could try and find the theory hold on a moment

[round parrot]

Well, we do know that they are corrupted, but don't know how far the corruption is nor their origins prior to corruption

[tepid veldt]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message salem :D

[static zephyr]

Ya and the dark dragon members poem also called then a reflection or a dark reflection

[round parrot]

I really like Salem's theory - yes
But I don't think that last point has stable ground

[tepid veldt]

found the photo as well (brightness warning)

[static zephyr]

Maybe that hunger is it trying to regain its light? Also very interesting so the massive krill in the abyss and use burning away a plant to save a menta so we went into its soul and using our light we saved it and the millions of light creatures it consumed

[cold sparrow]

did you forget a word there?

[south saddle]

we don't know what creature they're corrupted from or if they (uncorrupted version) even exist anymore so

[static zephyr]

The uncorrupted ones could be the

[sharp lichen]

Or the creature we see being ridden on in the switch trailer

[south saddle]

maybe,, it makes sense but idk

[round parrot]

Tbh I think that whales are much bigger and wider than krills, based on the whales we see and whale bones

[south saddle]

yeah, krills seem to be skinnier overall

[static zephyr]

I mean the darkness could have eaten away all of there skin leaking them in there boney form

[south saddle]

but the bones are still too large from that, if you're basing it off of the bones we get the call from

[static zephyr]

And there hunger is them trying to regain some mass I feel like darkness is like a quadriceps fungi!

It uses the body and sucks all the nutrients in muscle mass out of them and keeps them alive and use the host as a puppet

and dark pants remind me a lot about mushrooms and fungus in general so it’s not that far of a possibility

But that’s just a theory
A GAME THEORY

[cold sparrow]

Krill being corrupted whales is a popular theory and certainly, they're the only organism in that size we've seen so far
But it is just as likely that they're corrupted versions of a species that doesn't exist anymore, or that they're just original darkness organisms like the plants, but come to life

[static zephyr]

Touché touché

[south saddle]

quadriceps????

???????????

[cold sparrow]

you probably mean the cordyceps fungus
zombie ant fungus
TLOU fungus

[static zephyr]

Yes easy way to describe it “zombie virus, but a fungus”

[south saddle]

that makes
alot more sense than leg muscles mushroom

[static zephyr]

Just watch “the last of us” on HBO MAX or play the game and your know what I mean

Another topic do the sky kids talk or is it just a gameplay feature?

[sharp lichen]

They probably could communicate in many ways, including by honks or telepathically

[south saddle]

skykids honk everytime they message so,, maybe?
also,, originally chat was never going to be a feature, skykids would only communicate with emotes so maybe not

[static zephyr]

I kind of agree what if our bubbles messages are use using telepathy but in order for it it work you need to have a stronger connection with the sky kid and if you can’t use telepathy then we communicant with the emotes

[cold sparrow]

in reality skykids are just honking morse code or charading the entire alphabet

[analog swan]

Sorry to just but in but what if different notes mean different words? Like higher and lower honks

[static zephyr]

Maybe god this is fascinating

Ok we ether communicate through telepathy, lower and higher pitch honks,or just our emotes

[analog swan]

I like the thought that the skykids have a whole language on their own through just. Honks.

[static zephyr]

Probably

[analog swan]

Yeah pitch is the word

I also like to think that skykids can talk to the creatures as in they understand them, like the butterflies

[rustic glen]

You can see how everytime we type something in-game our skykid honks, so my theory is that by honking we "say" what we type, using pitches that we couldn't understand/identify

[analog swan]

Yeah!

I wonder if there will be a Krill call someday in some season? And then with that like you could get the krill to do a tiny honk at you

[round parrot]

A dev stated that there won't be any time soon, since it sounded "annoying" (for a lack of better term)

[sharp lichen]

Krill call would be terrible sounding gameplay wise

[analog swan]

Yeah ok thats fair

But then again I think any call too many times is annoying, yes?
I also think a krill call would have a much lower pitch than the others

[sharp lichen]

Also, if it would sound like a krill, it could scare new players

[analog swan]

Yeah fair

[cold sparrow]

to be fair, the crab call doesn't sound exactly like the crabs either

[earnest briar]

What if it was just a tiny little meow noise, sounding like a cat?

[round parrot]

I think that would be a cat call atp

[earnest briar]

Also Myst I love your Surge pfp.

[round parrot]

AYEEE THANKS

[flint bolt]

Lore chat, whats the deal with rocks?

[round parrot]

nature

[flint bolt]

wooaah

[untold notch]

edible

[wooden ferry]

I was thinking, yk how there is a war at the end of the aurora season

[untold notch]

aurora does show the war that happened in the past, yeah

[wooden ferry]

What if it was a hint for the next season

since it’s refugees

[untold notch]

I mean, the golden wasteland has been that way since the game released, and the announcement blog post for remembrance somewhat suggests that

https://www.thatskygame.com/news/links-to-the-past-in-season-of-remembrance citing my sources is important it's from this post

so I would say yes, aurora and remembrance are related due to the war, but I wouldn't say it's quite like that

[south depot]

Can someone give me the lore of all the aurora spirits

[untold notch]

it is impractical to wear a crop top while mining

[cold sparrow]

impractical but not impossible

[untold notch]

impractical and unwise

[cold sparrow]

that's quitter talk

[untold notch]

it's getting sliced by a rock talk

all I'm saying is the diamond wouldn't have exploded if sky had OSHA

[cold sparrow]

okay but genuinely
is there any specific of the aurora spirits you're interested in? because they all have their individual stories to tell

[south depot]

All of them really, I’m working on a head cannons list for all the spirits and I’m stuck on the aurora season and i wanna know their stories

[pastel brook]

underneath darkened skies, there's a light kept alive

[round parrot]

warriors' memory

I'm surprised the manta didn't yoink them off it's back after the og rider got injured family guy style /ref

[frigid tinsel]

Yup

[south depot]

Lol imagine a moth finally gets done with wasteland and is safe in vault and then they hear the krill call

[craggy acorn]

Gonna sneak up to random people and just krill call behind them 😭

[south depot]

Deep honk spam bug with krill sound 💀

[flint bolt]

Hey lore chat, why are the elders old?

[south depot]

Because they are dead

[flint bolt]

nyuuuu

[proud shell]

because they’re elderly id say

[lusty merlin]

Ya I agree, pretty clear if you look at , I’d like to believe they dont age normally and can live well over for thousands of years but that’s how I personally see it. I think the animation teaser mentions a time frame “___ before the stars fell” but I can’t find it for some reason. But if we see one of the current elders or not in the animation teaser, then we can possibly know if they age normally or don’t

[untold notch]

or if they were always like that, it's certainly a possibility

[lusty merlin]

That too!

[proud shell]

they’re all old?? I thought it was just the isle elder :0

[untold notch]

I mean the isle elder looks the most crumbly but they could all be old

[lusty merlin]

Well we don’t know for sure, I’d like to think they all are. Hoping the animation teaser will confirm or not than leaving it ambiguous

[untold notch]

confirm or deméter

[lusty merlin]

I just woke up /lh

[earnest briar]

Demeter. I myself dislike it when something becomes the Greek goddess of the harvest.

[lusty merlin]

Autocorrect is not on my side

[untold notch]

wait I just remembered

ok did the thing hi

[lusty merlin]

Hi!

[sharp lichen]

technically they’ve lived for centuries via the switch trailer

[untold notch]

omg me too we should be friends

[lusty merlin]

Ah I rememberd wrong, the stars fell quote is from the switch trailer not animation trailer. But I’d still like to think the animation project is still set around this time, but yeah if we see an elder cameo then I’ll take that as evidence the elders can live for a pretty long time

[lusty merlin]

Yeah I couldn’t remember what the timeframe was until I double checked, but centuries is definitely more than what an average person can live

Would be cool if we get a slighty younger Dawn with some hair left and a shorter beard but I’ll also be happy if we get current Dawn either way

Starved for elder content

[rustic glen]

I'm so hungry for elder content I would eat every crumb the animation project gives us

[lusty merlin]

Right they’re so???? Like they’re so important to the story, overseer of of their realms yet we only get a few seconds with them face to face

I want to see more of their characters

Ik sky focuses on everyone than keeping focus to the super important figures in its world so everyone has their story to tell but 😭

[mossy bay]

Random, but do you think it’s safe to say that aurora is the mother megabirb?

[cold sparrow]

have you watched their respective song memories? I think out of all the spirits in Sky, the Aurora spirits have some of the most comprehensive memories

Runaway is shown with their guardian/parent, traveling, possibly fleeing from bad living conditions elsewhere, possibly on a pilgrimage, to and through isle. During that journey, the parent grows weaker and sick, can't make the climb up a cliff, and dies. The little Runaway kid then has to continue their journey alone, onwards to find a new home, where along the way they are spotted (and probably picked up) by other ancestors heading the same way. (I think you can recognize at least two spirits in the boats that are indicated with color, but I forgot which exactly those are)

Miner is shown, along with other miners, to try and mine out an area in Hidden Forest (which seems to have been common practice in forest, as a mural in the Treasure Reef I believe? shows). They are chasing away the wildlife (jellyfish) that live there to do their work. A bit later, one of their collegues is buried under a rock fall/cave in, but the jellyfish lift up the miners (whether they're meaning to save them or just play with them). (Note: After the cave in, only the Mindful Miner and one other miner is shown. It might be that the one buried under the rock couldn't be saved. It could also be that this same cave in left the other two stuck and without exit, thus needing the help of the jellyfish).
After that, the Mindful Miner is seen trying to protect the jellyfish from other miners.

The Warrior is shown to be taking care of a manta and assisting an older ancestor getting ready for a manta riding race. In this race, this other ancestor falls down and gets hurt, leaving them incapable of taking part in the next race. The other ancestor then hands the goggles off to the Warrior, effectively telling Warrior to take part in their stead, and they do, finishing as the winner.

The Hope spirit is shown on the battlefield, with a tent, which seems to be a makeshift medical station. They're running around and searching the wasteland, finding a wounded warrior and bringing them back to this tent to help them. They head out to find another wounded warrior, but on their way back, they get attacked with arrows and fall, too wounded to return.
After that, warriors - who the Hope presumably has helped before - head out to search for the missing Hope, find them and help them back to their tent/base, just barely escaping the notice of a krill.

In the concert, we see these four spirits come together then and channeling their power into whatever Aurora is, who then tells stories in her songs and her concert that are very remniscent of these memories, but from the point of view of the light creatures (or the world itself that these creatures inhabit), just abstracting these memories that the spirits have brought with them into a more general but beautiful and heartwrenching tale.

[lusty merlin]

I don’t think they’re make a real life person part of a collab a main central figure in the sky story to the same level as megabird

Also rooty this is a great In depth analysis

[south depot]

Wait wait wait what’s megabird

[lusty merlin]

I talk about them here but from little we know their what you’d concider a god in sky? It’s weird, and there’s not much we know or if they still go by megabird, we only do as said charaters concept name and design is the most similar to the art and final game

[cold sparrow]

A concept derived from old concept art - and some easter eggs seen in orbit. Megabird is assumed to be some deific embodiment of the light as a whole, a sort of communal consciousness that all light (light creatures, as well as spirits and skykids) comes from and returns to.

[lusty merlin]

Id love to learn more about them but I doupt that’ll happen for a super long time or ever for the whole “come to your own conclusion” storytelling sky has

[untold notch]

woe

interpretation be upon ye

[mossy bay]

But they did exactly that in the season of aurora… they literally descended from the heavens to show us through music and story telling the most important story of the sky kingdom, how all creatures and spirits are connected to one source

[untold notch]

my stance on that is why wait three years to show such an important figure

[sharp lichen]

Ah Aurora canonicity debates, my favorites

[cold sparrow]

did they tho? we first see aurora in a sphere of light and magic, surrounded by the four spirits of that season

[untold notch]

it's not even that, it's just who aurora is in the world

[lusty merlin]

Im gonna exaggerate but: If Taylor swift did a collab with a video game for example and did somthing similar like aurora, would she also be a god like status in that games lore? when the whole thing is yes, grounded in sence but still clearly a collab

[cold sparrow]

I believe that within the story that the concert tells, Aurora represents herself as a megabird-esque figure. I don't think Aurora is megabird, though. She's a storyteller, a personified voice.

[untold notch]

I feel weird about making aurora a deity of the sky world, in no small part because that's a Whole Entire Real Person

[sharp lichen]

Characters rooted from collaborations can still be canon in the lore, after all Aurora herself participated in the season and helped work on it

[mossy bay]

Nope I’m certain we see her descend from the sky, it’s only later on in the season that she is cocooned in a ball of light before she emerges to perform the concert

[untold notch]

baud we're not disagreeing about whether she's canon it's about what role she plays in the story

[sharp lichen]

In that case, I think Aurora represents a character who is very real in Sky’s story.

[lusty merlin]

I think your confusing the queendom entrance where she does fall from the sky to start the song to when she’s in her orb and decends to the middle when every concert begins

[mossy bay]

We also hear auroras voice at the beginning and ending of our cycle in sky

[untold notch]

I'll admit I don't remember the opening cutscene of the season of aurora super well

[cold sparrow]

Timestamped: The moment Aurora in her sphere rises from the platform where she has been waiting the whole time, before descending onto the stage
https://youtu.be/lzUg5ffOyOo?t=77

[mossy bay]

Nope I’m referring to the start of the season, not the start of the concert….

[untold notch]

the concert to me is super interesting, because it tells the same stories as the quests but from the perspectives of the light creatures of the world rather than people such as skykids

[mossy bay]

https://youtu.be/7421JkIjHd0

She descends from the sky and takes her place in the coliseum surrounded by the 4 spirits

A ball of stars that then take her figure, no other seasonal guide has been introduced this way

[untold notch]

I can't watch that video right now so I'll have to step out of this conversation

[lusty merlin]

Oh yeah she does. I’m still hesitant to put her to the same pedestal as being a “god” though to the same level as megabird for the reasons I stated earlier. She’s more like a storyteller to me, the songs she sings are true but she’s kinda in a state where she’s there and also just showing what happens and the history of the kingdom

[sharp lichen]

Why can’t she be both?

[uncut pond]

I mean, with Aurora being a real life singer and all, it's only natural that TGC would give her a more flashy introduction :v

[lusty merlin]

I just don’t like putting a real life person to be the same level as a “goddess/megabird” seems super out of place to me, that’s just how it is to me

[cold sparrow]

That is fair, hm.

I'm still hesitant to consider this as proof that she is megabird. If anything, that puts her more on the same level as skykids than an ancestor spirit.
It might also just have been a design choice made (possibly even requirested/suggested by Aurora), to make her seem a bit more like 'a being from out of this world'.

[untold notch]

I feel like deifying a real person is a fun and nifty way to form a parasocial relationship and those are Unhealthy™️

[untold notch]

white people confirmed not from sky kingdom /hj

[mossy bay]

I’m not even an aurora fan HAHA what a trip. We’re only speaking on her place in a GAME not real life…

[uncut pond]

If I were a singer and got to collab with a game I like then I, too, would like to have a super flashy introduction

So that's why I don't think Aurora's introduction is meant to be taken at face value

[cold sparrow]

Still, she is in the game as herself. She isn't introduced as Aurora, in the role of Megabird. She is introduced as singer and artist Aurora, here to perform a concert.

[sharp lichen]

I think in a meta sense, Aurora is playing a character that definitely exists, although it’s different from the real life Aurora.

She does stuff that the real life Aurora doesn’t/cannot do

[spring python]

If she wasn’t a real person i wouldn’t mind saying “oh she’s like Megabird” it’s just that it’s kinda awkward to imagine Aurora sliding into TGC’s dms like “hey there, want to make me into a god in your universe? 😘” and then they actually doing it

[cold sparrow]

Like, celebs can play fictional characters, even in games. Cyberpunk is just one of many examples where that is very much the case.
But Aurora is in Sky as herself.

[uncut pond]

The miniature frenchman sees this message and crumbles into dust

[rigid iron]

Me personally if I did a collab with a game I'd make myself extremely important to the lore

[cold sparrow]

It would still be up to the devs whether they want to agree to that.

[sharp lichen]

Aurora had a large hand in making the season, though. I think it’s less “sliding into TGC’s DMs” and more “hey Aurora, how do you feel about doing this?”

[mossy bay]

I just feel like the fact that she turned into this massive motherly figure during the end and guided us through orbit was very reminiscent of how people have described the very vague picture of who the mega bird was,,, it’s very easy to draw similarities when there’s nothing else to compare her to

[spring python]

Id make myself the villain then act extremely likable irl so that everyone would forgive me for my heinous fictional crimes and hate every other character for being murdered ir something

[cold sparrow]

I can absolutely picture Aurora being all "and then, imagine, I come from the stars all sparkly and magical and it's beautiful"
Not a line I heard her say, but I can just totally imagine it in her voice

[untold notch]

I mean he's objectively not like that's a main plot point of the season

[uncut pond]

Ik but I just think it's funny

[untold notch]

I mean who wouldn't want to arrive at a venue in a ball of stardust let's be real

[cold sparrow]

exactly

[lusty merlin]

Yeah like aurora had a lot of say in the season collab too, she chose the outfits, songs and ect from what I believe. So she had a lot of creative control, I feel wanting a god like role in a story doesn’t really fit her. Like she wants to share the stories her music has to tell, I feel like being a god like figure wasn’t the intention or was misinterpreted that way

[rigid iron]

YES You understand what I'm saying more than anyone else here

[untold notch]

I don't even know if I'd call megaurora motherly but that's a vibes difference

[fickle wing]

hi lore chat happy julius caesar got stabbed day

[lusty merlin]

Hi krii!

[sharp lichen]

But we don’t know what Aurora was planning with TGC, maybe she wanted to have a bigger role in the lore. In any case, we shouldn’t be speculating over it

[mossy bay]

But arriving in the scene as a ball of stardust holds meaning in this game, we arrive in a ball of stardust, the orbs also leave a trail of stardust, idk I don’t think it’s necessarily bad to draw conclusions from these similarities

[untold notch]

this is just like tsadi omg

[lusty merlin]

Agree to disagree then, just from what I’ve seen of her I don’t personally think her intention was for her to be a god for what I stated earlier

[cold sparrow]

Again, if anything, I would rather consider her like some form of Skykid. A person that came from the light, sure, but not all of megabird.

[mossy bay]

A sky kid before our time,, I could get with that

[sharp lichen]

If anything I’d say the “Megaurora” is closer to a demigod, like the Elders. They’re basically a more powerful Skykid.

There’s also the odd parallels to Prophecy that make me question if has more lore relevance

[untold notch]

because everyone came from the light

[cold sparrow]

Like, surely, none in this creative endeavor wanted Aurora to actually be an Ancestor spirit.
"Sorry to say, but in Sky, you have died centuries ago"
So they had to make her something else

So I agree in so much as that Aurora is not like any of the other seasonal guides.
She is just an oddball, much like the Shattering memories and the TLP rose.

[mossy bay]

I haven’t been in this channel for a while and I miss throwing around ideas,,, thank you

[uncut pond]

Tbh, I think that in order to believe that Aurora is megabird you would first have to assume that the Megabird is an actual individual that's capable of having a will of its own and not just a thing that exists and vaguely resembles a bird
The nature of "megabird" is ambiguous at best

[fickle wing]

right after tsadi tuesday………

[cold sparrow]

That too!

[untold notch]

any featherless biped is megabird

[lusty merlin]

Yaya that too

[cold sparrow]

Aren't we all a little megabird?

[sharp lichen]

Aurora is a large part of the Megabird, but not all of it, at least that’s what I think

[mossy bay]

Well tbh I’ve never had a clear cut definition of what the mega bird is or was in this game… I would like to think that aurora was the mega bird personified to tell us the story of the sky kingdom, because that is what is feels like

[sharp lichen]

Yet the Season of Prophecy references are very weird. The mural in the Harmony Hall with Ancestors cheering, the elemental lights having such a big influence, the fact that we do the pray emoji when we meet them… what does it all mean?

[south depot]

Yo how is your name that color

[fickle wing]

the ghosts

[uncut pond]

(replying to both azaura and baud) That's fair, but again you'd have to assume that "megabird" has a will of its own, which isn't a the biggest stretch but also neither in-game stuff nor concept art seems to support this

[lusty merlin]

Thing is we know they exist but like we only see them twice (three times) presumably, once if you look straight up in orbit, the mural water circling the office gate, and another time after the credit sequence ends so there’s not alot about them. They more appear in snippets

Plus with Leon, yeah. There’s not alot to go off of even

[rigid iron]

I personally think she was rather godlike, especially at the end of eyes of a child where it transitions into orbit, but I'm not too keen to jump into this conversation and get Caesar'd

[sharp lichen]

For “In-game stuff”, there is absolutely nothing. The most we see Megabird is a few murals and visual confirmation that it exists. We know nothing of their personality, or if they even have a personality

[cold sparrow]

Godlike, yes, on purpose probably. But all of that happens within the confines of the concert and its storytelling. Likewise, we are fish and bird and jellyfish.

[uncut pond]

As far as we are shown in game, what people call "megabird" is just the galaxy in which Sky's planet lies, which just so happens to be bird-shaped

[sharp lichen]

Ceasar salad sandwiches

[lusty merlin]

I can get that vibe too, it’s weird since I still don’t concider her a full fledged god but more of what rooty said of being a short of other light creature puts it pretty well

[sharp lichen]

Which means Megabird could probably be anything

[rustic glen]

or anyone

[sharp lichen]

Ah, hello! I haven’t seen you before

[uncut pond]

Pretty much. But also we see that The Light is made mostly from individual light creatures and ancestors, so the idea of megabird being an individual just can feel a bit like a stretch sometimes

[sharp lichen]

Again, isn’t the Light only in concept art?

Then again, I get what you’re saying mostly

[fickle wing]

honestly i see the whole aurora megabird deal as being up in the air like
to each their own with the idea like we don’t have exact concrete things to really place down
personally im in the boat of aurora being a sorta extension of my interpretation of megabird it’s fun to think about

[lusty merlin]

Could also imply they’re the universe themselves since the small ball of light where I assume is orbit is just a tiny grain of sand making up megabird

This might be influenced from my own beliefs (not trying to bring in actual religion at all) but it’s one of the reasons I can see that being a possibility

Would fit sky pretty well too, skykids are stars, ancestors/spirits “return to the stars” we ascended to the stars ect

[uncut pond]

No, The Light is the official in-game name given to the pre-rebirth area, or "orbit", as players call it, which is also the one place where we see all light creatures of all kinds coming together during the ascension after Eden

[sharp lichen]

True, but still leaves a wide array of interpretations for theories

[half shadow]

I generally view the Megabird as a representation of the cosmic, seemingly divine presence that sent the Skykids and Ancestors potentially down into the world and sort of was the reason behind the cycle of rebirth via Light energy. I think it’s only interpreted as a bird due to its swirly fun shape which translated into something bird like in the Ancestor’s eyes, which is why the bird is such a principle part of their iconography

from the Enchantment boat in GW we can see that they did know what the general shape looked like. I don’t have it in hand but the iconic swirls were one of the murals painted on the side of it

[rigid iron]

No yeah! I think the idea of aurora being megabird's humansona is a really fun interpretation, or like in a spiritual way where aurora's self insert is a conduit for messages. Yeah it assumes megabird is like a god god with control over things and not more of a conceptual amalgamation of all things type god, but I still think those readings are interesting

[lusty merlin]

Yaya this is how I see them too, would they kinda be like an “outer god” to you like how Elden ring portrays theirs? Gods that exist and can influence things from afar but are not directly present and stuff, and by influence I don’t mean drastic influence where they rule

(Idk how much you know of Elden ring but that was my first thought)

[half shadow]

i’ve been on an Elden Ring hyperfixation kick since the new DLC was announced, i’m very glad you could sense that because that’s kind of exactly what i was thinking of LMAO

[lusty merlin]

HAHA SAME BRAIN🎉

But yeah thinking of it that way i like that personal interpretation of megabird too. Fits with how I personally see them best with all the other things I tie to them

[fickle wing]

humansona bit just made me think of like. That one comic with the person saying hey is that your fursona? that’s cringe but with resh saying it while megabird draws aurora

[half shadow]

megabird says YOURE CRINGE. cut to resh sobbing in the mirror, the eden diamond behind them

[south depot]

How would you explain the sky lore to someone who hasn’t played the game

[lusty merlin]

We’re children sent down to help trapped ancestors and help them ascend to the light again. We go through realms and meet each of the overseers of said realm in a weird limbo state, then we climb a mountain which is our destination, die, hug possibly ourselves, ascend, be reborn, repeat

[rigid iron]

They made a child go up the mountain that kills you 💔

[earnest briar]

everyone is dead and we have to save them, eventually perishing ourselves from blunt force trauma.

[vague glen]

the eden diamond said is anybody else going to pummel this child? and then didnt wait for an answer

[fickle wing]

funny rock go 💥

[half shadow]

children are a renewable energy source

[lusty merlin]

The children yearn for the diamond

[vague glen]

forbidden tic tac

[half shadow]

megabird explaining their plan

[proud shell]

did anyone figure out what the diamond was supposed to be??

[half shadow]

presumably the mother of all payloads, jack power diamonds, perhaps crafted to harvest the purest form of Light energy present at the top of the mountain

[proud shell]

ooh icic!! wasn’t there also a theory that it exploded and that’s what made the kingdom fall or am i mistaken

[south depot]

My mental health

[untold notch]

a tasty snack

[lusty merlin]

Being serious it might be made of the same material those diamonds we light up are just much bigger

And yeah I belive that theory too since wasteland and vault are reduced to sand which could’ve been from the explosion

[spring python]

I see Megabird as the world itself in a literal way (like how Greeks see Gaia or how Yorubas are described sometimes)

[lusty merlin]

Oo I like that too

[half shadow]

yes, that’s one of the biggest suspects behind why things went kaboom. we aren’t sure if it happened as a result of the unspecified war between the ancients, or perhaps was what kickstarted the war, but the subsequent “eruption” devestated the world and left only few stragglers left alive

[proud shell]

oh goodness

[half shadow]

then those stragglers died out and an unspecified but probably very long time, given the term “centuries ago” was used before, is when the skykids are sent down by the cosmos/the Light/“Megabird” as a means of helping the ancestor spirits ascend back into Orbit as well as generally help the land recover

GEHSHJFFJ I SAW THAT OH MY GOD THATS GREAT ROOTY

change it to youre honking cringe to make it Legal but that’s so good

[rigid iron]

Whoah bad word

[half shadow]

i didn’t see anything it’s all legal here 👍👍👍

[brisk python]

wh-what happened

[cold sparrow]

LMAO okay here

[lusty merlin]

HELPP

[half shadow]

i’m crying that’s perfect. please put it in the meme channel too it deserves it

[proud shell]

woahh who is that I thought it was the wasteland elder at first, is it not??
this might be such a stupid question I just got into the lore of sky im sorry

[rigid iron]

This is why shattering came before Aurora

[pastel brook]

all my krills, greeting me here as a friend I'm home, waiting for time to let go...

[cold sparrow]

that's what the King/Eden elder looked like in early concept art

[lusty merlin]

Very old concept art charater known as the king but we don’t know if they even go by the king in live. we just know there was a sort of ruler in sky shown in the vault mural cutscene and possible eden mural but that’s it, super vauge on purpose

[half shadow]

that’s the King/Resh/Prince/Alef/Chosen One…. they have a lot of names and are most present in concept art, thus their canonicity is debatable, but we do have confirmation that they did at one point exist in the lore but that they are now “somewhere we can’t reach” or something like that, i forget the specific wording

[proud shell]

SPOOKY

[rigid iron]

According to skybot they have no parents

[lusty merlin]

Ya pretty much, not much known about them and I think it’ll stay that way for a super long time unfortunately

[rigid iron]

This is important lore to me in my heart

[half shadow]

i highly encourage you to check out thomas zhao’s sky cotl gallery, it’s the main repository of early concept art and has a ton of really awesome art!

[lusty merlin]

WRONG THING I DIDNT MEAN TO PUT A SICKER HELP IGNORE THAT💀💀💀

[half shadow]

^

let’s take ibuprofen together

[lusty merlin]

Anyways ya the concept art is cool to see what the game could and wasn’t

You also get things like spider :) I will not elaborate

[half shadow]

indisputable best piece of concept art i am taking no further questions

[lusty merlin]

Anyways gonna do geyser see ya!🎉

[rigid iron]

They've considered those spider things twice and I think they should consider it a third

[proud shell]

I think not are you kidding me those r so scary omg

[half shadow]

i love the octopus he’s just giving a hug

[slate saffron]

Give him back to us

[half shadow]

REMEMBER WHAT THEY TOOK FROM US

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[rigid iron]

But it could be, if you believe

[brisk python]

but what if it is that deep

[keen shore]

they were born in a cardboard box in a dumpster all alone…

[untold notch]

they're also at Mario world

[sharp lichen]

Skybot also hates salt and pepper apple slices, maybe they’re more right than we imagined…

[untold notch]

in light of recent information I've decided skybot is never right about anything

[sturdy wyvern]

Wait hold up is Remember the trigger word for this one?

[untold notch]

it does that one randomly I think

[keen shore]

You’re right, I ended up abandoning the idea for that reason. I appreciate the compliment too 💛

Iirc that theory was initially made when the jellyfish memory was the latest memory that got released, so everytime you relived a shard you got sent to jellyfish until the next quest dropped. I got crabs as the creature I was gathering fragments of a lot during that time and ended up making a false connection

[sharp lichen]

I can’t believe you’re defending the valley elder’s atrocities

[pastel brook]

-strokes non-existent beard-

🧠

Are we discovering new areas because of the light we've brought back to Sky?

[untold notch]

I need to actually try salt pepper apples now that I think about it

[hushed steeple]

do we know the next season yet?

[wild pasture]

Nope.

[sterile orchid]

there's a teaser in #news but we don't know anything else

[wild pasture]

Yeah, we only have an image to go off of. Not really much, but it is something. No name or details yet, though.

[fossil field]

they’re good as long as there’s not too much salt

[untold notch]

I would think that's a pattern with salt

[hushed steeple]

No cause wait—

[south saddle]

behold, a megabird

[tranquil quiver]

Let us discuss…
Why did the guards take Pleading’s mother away?

[frigid tinsel]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wild pasture]

Well... It seems like it could related to the war, so I'd to say it's likely one of three things: she's a rebel, she's a sympathizer for the "wrong side" (or was reported as one, blind patriotism during war and all), or the war has gotten so out of hand that literally any "recruit" will work (as opposed to the normal of only men being drafted). There are plenty more possible reasons, but these are the three that stand out most to me for a war-time scenario.

If it's not due to the/a war, it could be quite a few possibilities since we have so little information, far too many to be listed here.

[cold sparrow]

we don't have enough focus on the parent to know whether they were actually a sort of rebel or not
but I can imagine that a paranoid regime might have taken them in for questioning/containment simply for being friends with the wrong people
for perhaps 'aiding and abetting' a criminal just because that criminal happened to be a neighbor who they were friendly with

[sharp lichen]

It does NOT taste good

[untold notch]

i've made worse decisions

[sharp lichen]

Like playing Sky ||/j||

[inner basalt]

def boogie kids dog if he had one

[lusty merlin]

They would put the dog in those lil outfits

[untold notch]

that thing i don't do anymore? maybe yeah

[inner basalt]

LITERALLY

do you think gloating narcissist would have a cat

[cold sparrow]

if anything, gloating narcissist would have some bird that can mimic whatever they're saying

[lusty merlin]

I can see that maybe a cuckato? Would match their vibe

[inner basalt]

not gonna lie it would probably annoy the skykids and he would be like “it’s okay! i’ll only have him for a minute:)” then proceeds to literally have it for as long as he can

[hazy vine]

Krill was from the sadness of the people put on to robots that went corrupt

[slate saffron]

The krill aren't robots actually! It's been confirmed they were originally living creatures that were then corrupted

[lusty merlin]

yaya its confrmed here

[sterile orchid]

Even better if they actually try to release it again but it just keeps following them everywhere regardless. Almost like the bird has the same kind of personality

[inner basalt]

yeah accurate, the little Prince would be confused

[fickle snow]

..... i cant believe i just went trough all of those 350 messages... @m@

Anyways, why does thia looks so alike to the one in thr wind paths…

[hushed steeple]

The arches are everywhere in the game, but the things hanging off of them..I wonder what they mean as well

[sharp heart]

this was day 1 of the season but i dont think i ever sent it here

So, In 3 of the 4 memories, guards are shown as an enemy (the 4th kinda does its own thing), and in all 3 memories with guards we see a female spirit "interacting" with them. In the first, when the two "good" soldiers stop at the flower shop, they are attacked and the female shopkeeper presumably dies there. In the second, the wife/caretaker of the old man goes to get food or something and sneaks past guards, clearly scared of them. And in the third, the mother is straight up taken away, while her son is left. What if the war was some super extreme kind of discrimination against women?

[rigid iron]

I don't know if women exist in sky but honestly a really interesting pattern nonetheless

[lusty merlin]

I feel like the shop keeper wasn’t targeted for them to be the only one to solely die, as wounded warriors friend also perished in the attack.

Plus this is just me but I really don’t think tgc would add sexism into their game, even if they’re breaching topics like war but that’s just how I personally see it, feel like everyone in wasteland was treated with the same unjust way.

[sharp heart]

well, female presenting at least

[rustic glen]

irl krill surprisingly look pretty much like how light creatures look in-game

[lusty merlin]

This is a stretch but they reminded me of Shimenawa. They’re styalized ropes used in Japanese culture that are usually seen strung across toji gateways, shrines and or sacred landmarks/Shinto shines and also in ceremonias.

And the reason for them is to symbolically is to ward off evil spirits, but in some cases they’re also wrapped around trees to bring in good spirits.

They’re a lot of types too: Daidai is a bitter orange used for fortune.

Gohei or Shide which are folded white
papers which represent lighting that’s a symbol for a word I can’t say, but it what helps women raise their natural chances of having a kid.

And pine twigs mean longevity/health

Reason I see this being possible is as not only is Shimenawa used for shrines, they’re used for what’s known a ground-breaking ceremonies for construction of a new building

Abyss is very obviously a factory but we don’t know if it was a completed factory if you ignore the wreckage, the mining area seemed to have been in the process of digging out, so it’s very possible that is that is Shimenawa above that gate, that it was kept there in part of sky’s own Ground-Breaking ceremony

Again this is a stretch, and the rope above doesn’t resemble any traditional Shimenawa, but sky is known to include cultural clothing from various cultures: Dancing performers Gat, yeti’s Iggaak (snow goggles) that are a spitting image to Inuit snow goggles, so it’s not impossible theyd also take inspiration from other cultural practices

Would be cool if this was intentional

[sharp heart]

shame we never got to see un-wasteland, like how we saw grassy isle in the aurora concert (which hadnt been seen since the switch release trailer)

bro wrote a whole dang essay

wait abyss is a factory? i thought it was some kind of krill research facility

[lusty merlin]

Help yeah

I remember seeing Shimenawa in real photos in the past and I dug into it wondering if it could have a deeper meaning

Again I really only did surface research so I hope I didn’t get somthing wrong

[rustic glen]

I personally see Abyss as sort of a lab rather than a factory

[lusty merlin]

In the murals it’s shown ancestors taking mantas to transform them into power diamonds aka the diamonds used to open doors/gates or power the dream gondolas for example

[sharp heart]

THOSE WERE MANTAS???

[lusty merlin]

Whatever it was, from the mining area it seemed to be still in development while mostly done looking to the mine. So the Shimenawa idea could still work

I mean when you ask why there were tons of caged mants we set free and mantas in the murals and showing the diamonds beside them it gets pretty morbid

[rigid iron]

The warding off evil spirits idea is really interesting considering the mural at the entrance that's our first hint at the leviathan, and how that could be read as a warning that the area is dangerous. Maybe the last people to step foot in the abyss area before the scavengers did left both warnings and protective items, kind of like how they put messages over nuclear waste sites so people don't go digging.

[lusty merlin]

Oo that can work too

Whatever the intention, tradition in construction or to ward off evil both could work really well

[sharp heart]

wonder if they'll ever add a 4th type of exploration? land, air, water, what could a 4th be?

[lusty merlin]

If we go by four trials then darkness probably

Which I would hate if it’s something like rainwords shaded citidel (crawling with spiders)

[sharp heart]

i doubt it would be darkness considering its children of the light

[lusty merlin]

Yeah but then we also have trail of fire (you die in the dark), eden, krill, dark water ect, I guess the scene were we hug the light kid before ascending counts aswell as being in darkness so it could still possibly happen one day

[halcyon hull]

Megabird is far above orbit and the orbit is high above the world of Sky
Therefore, the Megabird is too far away from there and the Sky's planet and Sky's planet cannot be in Megabird.

[sharp lichen]

Maybe, but a being powerful enough could teleport from the Sky world to Megabird directly

[halcyon hull]

Why

Why would they do that

[sharp lichen]

To show us, possibly? We haven’t seen the pure instance of the Megabird for years now, it would be cool to finally see them up close

[halcyon hull]

Think they could just stay there even at this moment someone could be at the orbit or someone will arrive in minutes maybe it's not hard for them to teleport but we can't tell if that's not annoying

But who knows

[rigid iron]

Please do not cold ping if you'd like to add onto older messages

[graceful tusk]

Guys is the E.T prince from outer space or is he just from our planet

[round parrot]

If you are talking about prince, then yes. He lives in an asteroid named B-612

If you are talking about Prince Alef, then yes(?)

[keen shore]

tunneling in the ground. the children yearn for the mines

[slate saffron]

The children yearn for the mines, but they've yet to learn that the mines yearn for them back.

They're hungry, dontcha' know?
So very

very

hungry

[round parrot]

a strange force beckons the children to wander this rocky labyrinth

[slate saffron]

I deeply desire a "King of the mountain" type plot with a being of primeval dark being trapped under the mountains of sky, desperate to escape. It's song carving labyrinthin paths to the surface above, pleading with gullible skykids to give it the release the elders have denied it so.

Or maybe a krill butterfly, a krill butterfly would also be nice

[slate saffron]

This keeps happening, how terrible

[half shadow]

yessssssss

[untold notch]

eat the rocks

[keen shore]

*Forest ancestor children are exceptions to this rule due to past events.

[untold notch]

IM GOING TO ACCIDENTALLY THROW MY HAMMER AT YOU

[keen shore]

can’t help being a Gemini! /ref

[slate saffron]

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves

[untold notch]

ravening for rocks and minerals am I right chat

[keen shore]

Prophet beef: one of them keeps eating water prophets crystals when they’re not looking and no one will admit who it is

[untold notch]

(it's earth)

[lusty merlin]

Hi I’m back, Salem mentioned flights arch did somthing similar with shimenawa but with bells and got me thinking and I found some things!

🎐 < this is a Furin or a Japanese wind chime. And it was used in the summer as many believe hearing the sound can trick you into thinking there’s more wind to cool you down. Not only that but bells in Japanese culture are said to ward off evil and bring protection too. I bring these up as flights bells seem to take inspiration from Furin bells, their info card even uses a furin chime!
The main differnce is the gold material with the feather replacing the furins tanzaku: which on their own is used trationally to write good wishes to the future. Furins also tend to have costom tanzaku’s too.

Plus bells in sky are shown time and time again to bring in light creatures, yet can also accidentally bring in darkness seen in one of flight quests .

Again i just think possible inspiration could be taken to have its own spin on it but it’s cool nonetheless!

[untold notch]

this post is my house now I live here

[lusty merlin]

I’ll join you🎉

[south saddle]

bro i wanna live in a bell let me iiiiinnnn

so basically shimenawa = GET OUT and furin = GET IN

makes sense for furin to be in wind paths since that's practically the entire plot of the season anyways

wait no furin is 'get out' aswell,, im confusing myself

[lusty merlin]

Both are basically like, get out bad and come in good just with differnt symbolisms I’m guessing. Again I just think these could be possibly inspired by the two and not direct copies but it’s still intesting to think about

[south saddle]

true true

[lusty merlin]

Feel like when it comes to decor, sky is more suptle if they take inspiration. And with cosmetics they tend to directly use with minor changes as there’s a good handful of cultural clothing directly or heavily inspired somtimes

[south saddle]

yeah they tend to just take bits and pieces from everywhere and put it in for flavour

[untold notch]

good soup

[lusty merlin]

Good soup

[south saddle]

good soup

[lusty merlin]

I do kinda want to categorize all clothing that does have cultural ties in sky, I think it would be cool. Can think of a few off the top of my head and I do think there’s also certain outfits that took inspiration from differnt cultures too, some more obvious than others

[south saddle]

yeah
if nothing else, itd be cool to see everywhere they took inspiration from

[untold notch]

debating whether to summon c, they'd probably have plenty of answers to this

[south saddle]

do it I wanna hear other ppls answers

[lusty merlin]

C too yeah! x have alot of info on different cultural inspirations from sky

[half shadow]

SLAMS

ABYSS ATTIRE IS BASED ON ANCIENT SCANDINAVIAN AKA “VIKING” ATTIRE

[sharp lichen]

I don’t know of the base game, but here are some things I’ve noticed from seasons:

Lightseekers: East Asian
Dreams: East Asian
Enchantment: Middle Eastern
Prophecy: Worldwide
Assembly: American, specifically relating to Boy Scouts
Flight: Inuit and Siberian, I think?
Abyss: Scandinavian
Remembrance: WW2-era clothing

[half shadow]

i don’t know about Remembrance specifically it seems to be the most one based in-universe and outside of any specific culture

[untold notch]

@half zealot do you wanna infodump about cultural influences in sky

[half zealot]

IM OUT AND MY PHONE IS DYING 💔💔💔💔💔💔 Have fun though!!!!!!

[half shadow]

i remember typing up big rambles about the abyss cosmetics and spirits because i was sad it seemed like so many people didn’t like them LOL

[lusty merlin]

Sparkle on🎉

[untold notch]

abyss my beloved the ever ever

[half shadow]

literally search posts by me in this channel that mention viking i talked a LOT

[keen shore]

I remember Bea talking abt how they have a theory Prophecy has some African influences (hard to pin down where exactly cause they’re used super vaguely in the season and he had to SEARCH for them) and that’s my only contribution

[untold notch]

there was that one theory about a certain Egyptian myth but I don't want to remember that

[keen shore]

I don’t blame you 💔

[half shadow]

i do agree with Baud about how prophecy seems to be more worldwide

[keen shore]

Bea talks about the prophecy dundun here, it’s really interesting #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[untold notch]

DRUM TALK!!!!

[sharp lichen]

There was the drum, I believe, but also the bat mask resembling Camazotz

[keen shore]

I keep putting off researching it cause time and energy but the murals in the cave remind me of Paleolithic cave murals

[half shadow]

oh yeah that whole deal was def intentional

[keen shore]

I’m not gonna ping Bea cause he’s offline and I know he doesn’t like cold pings but he has a lot of interesting prophecy knowledge, 10/10 recommend

[untold notch]

I love having friends that are also repositories of very specific sets of information

[keen shore]

The general appearance of the stone animal masks is probably based off somewhere since they’re so distinctive, although I have no idea how to begin researching that sadly

[brisk python]

like a repository of refuge ahahaha get it

[untold notch]

woagh...

[keen shore]

Some of the tlp spirit designs are based off elders but slightly to the left, that’s another one although not exactly cultural

I am stream of consciousnessing so you all get lots of edits to clarify 👍

[lusty merlin]

Going more specific I think dreams is more Korean/China inspired for some spirits

Dancing performers Gat has ties to Korean/Chinese culture and so their their instrument, i know many call it a lute but more specifically it seems to be a pipa (which has Chinese origins)

I also want to say spinning mentors hair could also be inspired by traditional Chinese and or Korean women hairstyles as both usually have their hair in loops yet I can’t find any specific style

[untold notch]

I remember hearing that the dancing performers hat causing drama

[keen shore]

Augh. Yeah. 💔

Gratitude cosmetics are based off Bhutanese festivals (this one is confirmed!)

[sharp lichen]

Yeah, I said East Asian to prevent any…. Things from happening

[keen shore]

I think for the seasons after rhythm especially, the devs pick a location that they want the story to be in & a basic backstory for the spirits, then they start delving into cultural inspirations. Like abyss is seafaring scavengers in a probably cold region, so they get associated with Vikings and so on

It might have happened for the first four seasons too (like lightseekers seems to have heavy ties to Forest) but since they don’t have seasonal areas of their own it’s harder to BYEEEE GTG

[untold notch]

ktjn said once that the realm is always important to the story (which is probably why there's so many got dang valley seasons)

[lusty merlin]

Ah reminds me too that the gates we see in dreams also seem to be inspired to torii gates which came from Japan too, so I guess dreams is inspired by a small bundle of east Asian countries too yet not all of them

Yaya I think enchantment is the most upfront with their cultural inspirations which I like alot because it’s wonderfully done too!

[hushed steeple]

Was the area behind the first gate of Forest a docking station? I just noticed after all these months that those are boats stationed there.

[signal spire]

any reason for the aesthetic similarities between orbit and vault? Is that what they were trying to learn?

[untold notch]

orbit and vault look similar? how so

[signal spire]

"space" imagery, the cosmic mantas resemble orbit more because it has those yellow stars as well.

[lusty merlin]

I feel like we’d see cosmic mantas in orbit if that was the case, also think the offical name for cosmic mantas are spirit mantas and or memory’s(?) since we see one come from memory whisperer.
Which could explain the star pattern as spirits also have constellations and star patterns of them when they pass, so maybe certain light creatures after dying become cosmic?

Also if they were studying orbit then we’d had to think of why, spirits can ascend and decend as they please from the sky seen with ts’s and event spirits, so that also means they can travel to and from and thus communicate with one another clearly. Like unlike death for us where it’s unknown, it’s pretty clear in sky that it’s known where you go when you die in orbit. That’s kinda the only place I can see the reason for trying to learn about orbit if they were

[tepid veldt]

im just curious, are jellies considered cosmic/memory jellies? or do they just share visual similarities w the cosmic mantas

[lusty merlin]

Basically if they were studying orbit the only reason I can of why they were study it is to know what happens to them, but that anwser is kinda already told, I feel like the space similarities could’ve been foreshadowing in its own way

[lusty merlin]

Maybe? It’s hard to tell since all jellies so far have the same sparkle pattern, yet with jelly hairs/king jelly and cape it’s shown they used to be a different teal color before

Cosmic mantas and small jellies could also just be another species yet it’s super hard to tell if that’s the case

[tepid veldt]

icic, thank ye tac
theyre pretty regardless

[signal spire]

i actually feel like this is the reason we don't see them in orbit. They're not like, real living things that can be reincarnated, almost like theyre "made" of orbit or something lol.

[lusty merlin]

I could see that, the memory whisperer cutscene when the spirit manta appears could be explained if it’s like an illusion of sorts

And vault (in my personal opinion) could be affected by magic too. Like a type of magic that could warp the surroundings, could explain how respiratory refuge is floating in the middle of nowhere along with the islands the higher up we go in vault. Spells exist to give us cosmetics/props for a short while before vanishing, so I wonder if a more permanent magic exists too

[lone flax]

Ah the deep thinking channel.. home sweet home

[signal spire]

imo that could also be a parallel with orbit. Like, im just theorizing but maybe vault works as a sort of "pocket" orbit. It could have worked as something before orbit for pilgrims.

[lusty merlin]

To each their own then, the orbit idea is definitely a cool concept

Oh that reminds me but to expand on this I think said magic could be the purple light we find in vault. Like in the ark quest after you give it, snoozing carpenter used it to make things, little shops throughout the ark, so purple light does have the ability to create things out of thin air, so maybe an acess could actually warp the surroundings seen in vault. Could also explain why the before and after place we end up when we do the vault cutscene is so different

[signal spire]

yeah, whats interesting about vault though is that space doesn't even work normally? Like its just infinitely big and anything can fit in it (at least i think)

[lusty merlin]

Yaya, rooms can look much bigger than they appear, which I can personally chalk up to the purple light too. If it can create things from thin air I don’t see why it can create more space itself but that’s just speculating, I wish sky’s magic system was more solid because it’s super Interesting what color magic can do depending on the hue

[static zephyr]

I mean, it is designed to hold all the knowledge so of course it’s gonna have to be infinite

and not to mention the countless scholars that probably used to inhabit the vault they kind of remind me of Buddhist monks. They are obviously putting all the way all their desires in order for the quest for knowledge and tranquility.

[signal spire]

i'm wondering why the starlight desert is there now. just speculating but could it be somewhere created by the rose or the little prince? If so it would show that people can just make their own areas in vault.

[static zephyr]

The rose in that sense. It’s obviously much more powerful than we think she is but we are not entirely sure if the little prince was even real in the first place and I’m going theory is that he’s our imaginary friend and the starlight desert in that sense, could be a representation of the sky kids imagination

I mean, we are called sky KIDS or CHILDREN of light so we must have a child like imagination in that sense

[lusty merlin]

Starlight is weird but cool, the title under is is literal “where dreamlike worlds collide” so I wonder if it’s a type of being in a lucid dream state in a way, then again there’s so many more ideas

[static zephyr]

Then, in that case, do you think the little prince is our imaginary friend? Someone to keep us company on our journey?

[signal spire]

tbh i feel it could signify how the entirety of vault works. Like some psychic space where those with a powerful enough (mind?) can materialize their own area based on their knowledge.

[lusty merlin]

As ash said that’s for us to interpret

Personally for me it would make sence if he was since if he wasn’t, that means the prince went to eden millions of times for each and every skykid

[lusty merlin]

I can see that yeah, but then we have the spirits and their own places too, I heard they could represent caricatures of the elders but I don’t remember the details well enough to explain it

[static zephyr]

Yeah, now that I think about it that actually explains a bit

[signal spire]

shared spaces could also kinda show it too. Using a lantern we can kinda make our own little space in the world.

[inner basalt]

do yall think that the gloating narcissist is ftm

[lusty merlin]

There’s nothing to deny or prove it but if you wanna think that’s the case go for it

[static zephyr]

we are showing to be incredibly powerful especially when we ‘transcend’ taking on our true forms as pure light we quite literally destroy anything in our path, and if we do run into any rubble or small boulders, they just completely break apart the moment they contact us, and then in the trial of fire spoilers ahead || we completely vaporize the dark creatures that go around it||

Now that I think about it I wonder what would happen if we run into a krill while we’re in the form? Will they be purified? Or will they just break apart and dissolved into light particles?

[lusty merlin]

I have my own anatomy reasons why skykids get hurt by the things they do. Basically our base is made of natural darkness (think of crabs, as I believe there’s a balance of natural light and dark) and everything else is made of light. When we’re hurt badly our light detaches so we have a chance to survive. And when we ascend since we’re in a weird limbo space, we take in as much as we can to make the journey up, think of salmons making their way upstream.

It’s just how I see it but it’s my reasoning on why skykids can survive a 50ft drop but crumble when phyiscally hurt by krills, crabs, and rocks

[static zephyr]

What about the trials then? Do you think there’s like gods then in this world? Because these statues of the different features, do you think they could be different gods, each one representing the elements?

[lusty merlin]

I think were more in a meditative state like how we are with visiting the the elders. Mind/soul is elsewhere but body is still sitting at the alters personally, plus in the bloom teaser there’s legit words saying “in my dream, I was a butterfly” as in the update notes we actually do turn into butterflies apprently. So it could be a sort of lucid dream too that actually happens and is not just all in your head

Maybe an astral plane of existence?

[static zephyr]

Maybe it’s the same astral plane that we go into whenever we’re close to death such as in Eden and when we get swallowed by the krill King?

[pastel brook]

bruh... talking about hacks and hackers is against the rules @lusty merlin

[static zephyr]

Whaaa?

[lusty merlin]

Bro what?

Anyways with king krill I can see that but for orbit it says we’re reborn so I do think we die in eden after losing all of our light, like is still kinda fuzzy though which I think is on purpose

[inner basalt]

oh as well as in the aurora concert, we turn into different animals(manta, jellyfish, butterfly and so on), this is also a method of lucid dreaming i believe?? im tired so tell me if this is wrong

[lusty merlin]

Yaya i actually think this too! Plus aurora holds the hands of each spirit before each song in the concert and the whole arena flashes before fading, and when a song ends we’re in the same place we were

[static zephyr]

aurora in a sense is a storyteller She tells us the story on how the first spirits arrived in the kingdom in “run away” she shows us the story of the war in “the seed” and we see the aftermath of Eden in “through the eyes of a Child” she shows us the story of the kingdom so we can learn from those mistakes she’s a passive being who watches and waits

[inner basalt]

yeah! kind of like shifting, when you say your safe word, your back in your room or any other area, and through the eyes of a child, it’s describing the kingdom and its mistakes to hurting skykids.

[lusty merlin]

Oh yeah shifting would actually be a great term to fit with this!

Now that I think about it, meditation also is a big part of sky. We meditate at the elders temple, meditate to anwser questions, meditate to start certian quests, hell we even meditate for phase two of a shard and to go up a floor on the vault elevator. Plus we meditate to get back to our last checkpoint in game too!

It’s passive but it’s there

[inner basalt]

also i noticed, that one spirit in valley of trimuph has no mask, the others have a mask and yeah, but some seasonal sprits don’t have a mask.

[static zephyr]

I think when we meditate we change our inner light in order to transcend slightly into the spiritual realm

[lusty merlin]

To me masks are like wearing a hat and no hat, maybe masks have significance and symbolism but also not to the point where not having a mask is seen as bad thing. Apart from the spirit that gives maskless there’s also a good handful of maskless spirits too, basegame and seasonal

[static zephyr]

I wonder what the masking signify to the sky kids my ongoing theory is that it’s a filter for their eyes what if they’re light it’s just so intense that whenever they open their eyes they basically blinds anything or burnt anything to a crisp I imagine that their mask are like a filter for that light not exactly extinguishing it but just we can get to the point where they can open their eyes

I mean we’re pure embodiments of light confined within a clay body light has shown to be an incredibly powerful force no way, a clay body and a fire core hold a star in its entirety

[inner basalt]

yeah! like even when we do the sneeze emote, without mask our skykids mask doesnt kinda swipe off, but with mask it does.

[lusty merlin]

That too, I remember watching forgetful storyteller doing the facepalm emote and losing it

I do know it’s confirmed masks do hold value: ash confirmed rhythms mask is a “commoners mask”, marching also has the same mask just with an eyepatch. Animal masks can also reflect an ancestors job, and with performance: performance guides mask symbolizes their rank as a teacher/mentor in a way with the rest of the performance crew being students from this masks

I know i can find the messages talking about these but I’ll have to do some digging

[static zephyr]

Capes also hold a significance!

[inner basalt]

also, notice that guides with masks, if you turn the camera around, you can’t see their real face, really good detail

[static zephyr]

Interesting

Capes also seem to have a type of significance to the ancestors they seem to be earned and their capes and are linked through the events that are designed onto them

[inner basalt]

also, when we fly and our cape looks strange after one of our wedges are gone is a really nice detail!

[static zephyr]

It’s also it’s signifier to other players whenever you’re low on light!

[inner basalt]

yea! and whenever all of your wedges are gone it doesn’t show.. pretty nice ngl

[static zephyr]

And then the detail of your cape, slowly fading into gray and then your character losing all the details as they become ‘unit’

[lusty merlin]

Found them

Correcting myslef but the performance grew haven’t graduated yet which is why they don’t have full animal masks

[inner basalt]

that’s the name? oh nice

[static zephyr]

It’s not been proven, but it’s but it’s been given by the fandom

[untold notch]

me plane

[inner basalt]

oo! also i forgot that performance and rhythm guide(?) are siblings

[round parrot]

breaks through the door
since it seems like we are on the topic of masks, I have a wild take that the markings of the Aurora masks are an after-effect of each of the spirits using their respective colored light (based on one of Tac's headcanons)

[lusty merlin]

Oo yaya! Works well too since each used a differnt coloured light to update the coliseum too!

[sharp lichen]

You do give your light to all the Elders though. For the others, you just give it to them

[round parrot]

well, we can't say for sure that the twins always fight alot
when we summon them in Orbit, do they fight? (they seem chill)

some people (here) see the twins "fighting over your light" as playful
think about it, if you were trapped in your own pocket dimension for god knows how long (with your other half), and a random kid shows up
as elders of the valley, elders who have races in their realm, they seem the playful/sports type of people

[inner basalt]

yeah i might delete that

[round parrot]

..sorry if I sounded harsh, I didn't mean that

[sharp lichen]

I don’t like deleting messages, even if other people disagree with them.

[inner basalt]

no it’s fine, besides it’s hard to describe them since i don’t know how to describe them besides yall can describe them in different ways, i see them as chill but fightful twins

[sharp lichen]

It’s for very different reasons though:

Isle uses it to make birds
Prairie uses it to make butterflies
Forest uses it to make the power diamond thing
Wasteland uses it for themselves
Vault uses it to activate a memory lantern
Valley just plays with it

[round parrot]

speaking about giving light to the elders of each realm, would you assume that we are receiving light in the pnr void? unless that is our own light, and we are being reunited with it

[sharp lichen]

I mean, it’s dubious how multiplayer actually works for the Skykids. The game tries to treat every Skykid as an important, special one that relives all the spirits by themselves. My personal headcanon is that in the lore of the game, there were some earlier Skykids beforehand who relived all the spirits, and the modern Skykids don’t have to do it.

[sharp lichen]

The PNR void thing is interesting. I’ve had many theories about what the light is

[inner basalt]

also ngl whenever we’re in limbo i forget that if you used a resize spell and you got shorter, your light will be your height

[round parrot]

yeah that's adorable

[inner basalt]

yeah, i actually smiled at that whenever i went to pnr yesterday on my switch account

[sharp lichen]

People like to focus on the pre-Skykid lore, and I understand that, but there’s lots of things to think about how Skykid society works

In short, you know how in the game, each of our friends is represented as a single star in a constellation? Well, in the actual lore, it would be like that but much bigger, with millions of stars.

The idea is that the star physically represents a Skykid just chilling there, and they descend to the Sky world whenever they “get online”.

[round parrot]

a society composed of skykids is an interesting concept
shuffles my au under the rug

[inner basalt]

also ik everyone’s talking abt this but it’s very interesting whenever we put our candle out, our core is gone, but whenever we put our candle back in, our core is back.

[round parrot]

yeah
our candles is basically the core (or at least resides in it)

[hushed steeple]

It is interesting on how the Sky kids act around themselves. What I describe them are nomads. I think the journey, the rush, the feel for going to place to place is what Sky Kids are, Nomads.

[inner basalt]

also ngl where did our skykids get their candle from
like did they just steal it

[untold notch]

I'd think it's a part of them

[round parrot]

I originally thought that they pulled it from their back like cartoon characters

[hushed steeple]

Sky kids would make candles from essence (wax). I think the Sky kids themselves are made of essence.

[sharp heart]

its the little light in their chest, its essentally their hearts. thats why you cant do basically anything when you lose your light in eden

[static zephyr]

I want to discuss with you with how the isles elder seems to be sone what out casted from the group do not participate in the quest system and it seems like they’re people left him for the daylight Prairie in favor maybe because he was older than the rest of them he certainly shows his age probably they got into a disagreement on her way. Should be new vs old after all.

[cobalt palm]

I don't know about cast out, Isle is certainly seperated, we saw in the concert that it was the passageway that the spirits used to get into the realms of Sky, I guess before Isle was discovered, they were a nomadic society, or migrating from something we don't see

That area they migrated from us now covered with sea, so maybe there are old ruins out in the ocean before Dawn

[static zephyr]

Oh I see what they set up camp at the isles, until eventually moving further inland soon forgetting about the isles hidden behind a ocean of clouds

[cobalt palm]

The Isle elder seems to me to be the one keeping that route open, in a similar fashion to the windpath spirits in flight

[static zephyr]

I see

[cobalt palm]

Isle does seem to be a special spot for falling stars too, that is the only place with a spirit memory including a falling star

[static zephyr]

Perhaps that was the first maybe the king or the prince?

[cobalt palm]

Could be, that's certainly been speculated on, the clues we get are in the murals in Isle, cave of prophecy, and an odd collection of folklore during one of the performance quests

[static zephyr]

There’s obviously a much deeper story being told here and not to mention that we see the king in the final shard memory over, looking it all from high above probably wanting to take the power of Eden for themselves they give off a very ominous and threatening feeling in that memory

[cobalt palm]

Personally my current headcanon is that it didn't happen once, it happened a first time, but as we see with Eden, we keep repeating the cycle, so it kinda keeps happening, and now a lot as the child of light splits into more and more sky kids

[static zephyr]

What are we are a winged light just more conscious and powerful? And that’s what drives us to Eden to return to ourselves the unlit kid we see after we inevitably succumb to Eden….

[static zephyr]

Also, if you don’t mind me asking what is it like being a community shepherd?

[cobalt palm]

I wrote a whole thing on this ages ago, and realised I couldn't complete it

Here's the first fragment

They could be the way that The Light, or child of light empowers us to guide and ascend the spirits to The Light.
Again depending on interpretation of the narrator in the introduction, and who we hug in the dark room, whether that is the king, child of light, ourselves, or all 3, they are the power leant to us by The Light, to be returned in offering at the storm in Eden. If this is the king, this adds a touch of poignancy on regret of their power and ambition, and sense of growth that they are becoming one with the universe by spreading their power to the children.
If this is a manifestation of The Light or Megabird, this is similar to a religious experience of touching God, becoming one with the universe, transcending duality etc. And can work with both Western and Eastern philosophies externally to the internal “lore”/pantheon in Sky.
If this is ourselves, it is being at peace and finding the internal strength to give our all, and continue through to The Light, so works at a “humanistic” level as well.

There is the potential that these were the remaining parts of light scattered by the King prior to be taken by corruption in the storm, the Kings remaining light before being consumed by darkness.
There is certainly a relationship between winged lights and the statues of corrupted kids we save in Edens storm, so they were the ones who came before us, or possibly our past selves in the cycle of rebirth.

[cobalt palm]

Not at all, though I'm a little less shepherdy, as I'm actually a mod for the official Facebook group, and so honorary shepherd here, but the whole mod/shepherd community, and TGC community managers are amazing people, I've never known a more supportive, genuinely passionate about the game, and community group of folk.

[static zephyr]

Incredibly interesting God it’s like this game was built for theory’s and I won’t be surprised if it was also, thank you for sharing it with me I’m happy you shared your experience with me so I can get some insight on how it’s like to be part part of the TGC group!

Also, please excuse my poor grammar English is not my first language

[cobalt palm]

Keep being a positive force in the community, with the PS5 launch the community has again exploded.

No problem with your English at all, I wouldn't have known!

[static zephyr]

Thank you I hope you have a really good day/night!

[cobalt palm]

Haha literally the first message in the game help is to try to figure out the lore, and they have woven in a lot of subtly, some say too subtle at times.

Hope you have a great day/night too!

[static zephyr]

I’m glad they did. It makes it a whole lot more fun speculating and coming up with ideas what the story is!

[slate saffron]

What happens to a sky kid's body while they're offline? Does it just kinda sit in place like a statue, hollow & devoid of life?

can vines grow in a hollow sky kid's body?

[static zephyr]

oh, that’s the thing our bodies are made of clay and with a that Clay is, pure, unfiltered light I think darkness we just evaporate almost immediately if he comes into contact with our in our light similar to when we take out our candles to burn plants

[cobalt palm]

I guess they become a star, and can be called down by their friends.

Also that moment you spend ages looking for a screenshot you know you took, but didn't name properly, and it'd just be easier to retake it, but you've already sunk time into finding it... Yeah

[sharp lichen]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[slate saffron]

So does the body go with the skykid or stay dormant on earth as their soul departs to take their glory in the stars?

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[plucky brook]

Maybe when you close the app for a second and come back, its sitting dormant but when you close it completely it goes to the stars

[pastel brook]

🧠

You are all so cool!

[keen shore]

🥪 I am very happy tonight so you all get the gift of one (1) sandwich. Share it wisely

[round parrot]

slides a rock inside of the sandwich
someone is getting a cronchy sandwich

[keen shore]

i am NOT naming names (you know who you are) but someone here would eat a rock sandwich

[pastel brook]

huh?

heh...you would think that

[rigid iron]

Sentient today aren't we

[pastel brook]

But what about the writing on the walls?

[round parrot]

for the love of Daleth's divine beard
the bot is sentient again

[lusty merlin]

Wow I wonder who /s

[inner basalt]

whenever texting, rhythm guide would DEFINITELY use ‼️ and 🤯

[untold notch]

rhythm guide talks like a TikToker

[inner basalt]

definitely has typos on purpose

[inner basalt]

me core

[untold notch]

so true

[south depot]

anyone have a document with the war lore

[inner basalt]

they probably uh say emojis irl(i do this)
like
“ hey do you know where uhh.. one of your spirits are? “
“ no. boom emoji boom emoji “

[untold notch]

I don't know a lot of documents but I doubt there is one about that unfortunately

[lusty merlin]

Yeah plus it’s like so vauge

We just know there was two sides, possible civil war cuz both sides included ancestors, happened in wasteland, was on the sun side, wasteland sufferd greatly, refugees fled to vault seen in rememberance, and that’s pretty much all the solid stuff there is. Everything else is speculating

Nothing confirmed on who, why, and what they were fighting aginst and for

[inner basalt]

and performance just, types like a adult ( r is rhythm, p is performance )
(R) “ hey you alr “
(P) “ Yes im fine. Don’t worry about me. Heart emoji. “
(R) “ HEDLP “
(P) “ Do you mean help? “

[untold notch]

nah they're twins they insult eachotjer relentlessly

[lusty merlin]

They shift between normal convo and petty bickering

[untold notch]

they'd be absolutely tearing into each other and one would go "wanna get pizza" and the other would go "yeah sure" and it would stop

[fickle wing]

i want to put both in a room and leave a cardboard tube there and see which one walks out alive (they’re already dead but whatever)