lore-discussion-spoilers

[lusty merlin]

Completely agree, like the whole point of wasteland is get the message across that it’s a dangerous place

Hell could argue forests trees for how they stretch into the sky get the same point across, that there’s no sunlight to sheild you from the rain until you get to the temple. I know a friend that gets uncomfortable in forest just for how the trees look, plus forest is the first time a realm is aginst us followed by wasteland and eden

Like what you think is a tiny sheild in the distance growing bigger definitely makes the battlefield into of when the fog fades a lot more impactful imo

[keen shore]

we also know that changes to the environment to communicate atmosphere over direct lore has already happened, namely in Wasteland and Eden. Take this message from Ash as an example if you don’t believe me: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[wide frost]

An atmospheric approach. That makes sense.

[keen shore]

Yeah! Of course that doesn’t mean they didn’t think about the lore at all when making those areas; that’s not what I’m saying, and thinking it is is missing the point. It just means that atmosphere took precedence here.

[lusty merlin]

Yeah! Like atmosphere to me is the most important part of the game, if you do it wrong then the feeling or attempt to get the player invested in the world falls flat. Like horror games or storytelling games rely on a good atmosphere to hook the player.

And like ofcorse the story/lore it’s trying to tell can be tied to it, but if your not immersed in the game in the first place,then why even bother looking into the story

[wide frost]

Yep. We could, to an extent, be viewed as unreliable narrators. Given we are children going through the world with no real knowledge of the past or this world. It's amazing and beautiful and terrible. As such it's possible our view is affected by the perspective.

[lusty merlin]

Oh yeah I like that idea, plus I know that too children, everything is much larger and bigger than they appear.
Could explain why the trees are so tall and everything in wasteland is so big

Quite literally looking though the eyes of a child

[keen shore]

I have noticed that recently, when someone has suggested something that could be taken as ‘the devs thought more about vibes than lore than making this’ people immediately disagree with them, even if they have a point. Saying that atmosphere took precedence over lore details in some places ≠ saying those things are not lore important.

Besides, although I personally like seeing if I can explain every bit of Sky’s world in a way that makes sense in universe, I would not be entirely surprised if it wasn’t as ‘solid’ in other worlds — think of it like us trying to make a hard magic system out of a soft magic system. Having fun doing so is completely valid, but dismissing any thought as to whether the devs who designed each area thought more about emotions and atmosphere rather than depicting the world in a perfectly (and often boringly) accurate lens is useless and just makes you sound like a stickler for rules that might not even exist.

Another example of ‘things that might be oversized to communicate emotion instead of something about the people who used them’ is the table in level 2 of the vault, for instance. There are probably many more examples of such things; you could argue that the orreries in citadel are so large for the same reason, as well as the massive scale of the Eden temple, or the size of refineries and the mechanisms within. This might be why the leviathan is so large, as well as the treasure reef refinery in general and the lighthouses surrounding it. Forgotten Ark is a large ship for just 7 people to live in — this might’ve been true for it as well.

Again, none of this is saying that there aren’t in universe lore reason as to why these things are so large. Do whatever you want with finding those explanations or making some if you don’t believe they already exist.

Why are the elders designed so large in comparison to us? Probably this also. And so on.

[lusty merlin]

Yeah completely! Seasons themselves give little bits and pieces to help build the world but they rarely ever to they give a very huge chunk of lore for the entirety of the story it’s trying to tell, it’s bits and piece’s. Like some focus more than others but all focus on atmosphere

And same for the 2nd part, even for ancestor children ingame they’re taller than us to some degree, everything like 98% of the time is taller and bigger than us to some degree

[empty drift]

meh. Just saying things are big because they are old
It is in the name elder

[keen shore]

The elders are arguably the characters the devs spent the longest designing (besides skykids); does it seem more likely that they made the elders much larger than us just because they’re old and didn’t give ancestors the same exact treatment for some reason, or did they make them large to communicate their importance and sometimes intimidating power?

[lusty merlin]

Yeah, even the shortest ones are taller than us by a long shot.

I also find it intersting and are the only elders who purposefully went down to meet us at eye level better

I don’t include as they just collapse. But I find it intersting that it could be a metaphor of letting their guard down and not having to put the façade up of being strong

[past fjord]

I have a theory but it is indeed going to take me much more time to share it because of spoilers

[lusty merlin]

All spoilers are allowed here though, don’t have to censor anything

Except if it’s beta, because beta content is only allowed in the beta channels

[past fjord]

that is precisely what I am talking

[lusty merlin]

Ah yeah you can’t share beta stuff outside then, even if you spoil. gotta wait till it realses into live game to talk about it

[keen shore]

The elder cutscenes are full of symbolism like this that I love to pick apart, it’s so fun! Also I am stealing the last bit

[lusty merlin]

Tsadi trying to not make us sad for them: impossible

[brisk python]

petition for tgc to let us play paddle ball with sah and mehk

[lusty merlin]

I would sell my soul for that /hj

[brisk python]

omg what if we could choose teams
team sah or team mehk

[past fjord]

from isle to vault, we all have met the elders and at the final cutscene of the vault, we all have seen the elders, but we all know that they are 7 realms in sky, its like the elders were preparing us for something ;-; imagine if you are a moff and only a beginner and you have been given a responsible already ;-;

[fossil field]

random thought, could sah chucking our flame into the air be symbolic?? idk

[keen shore]

IT LIKELY IS ACTUALLY

[lusty merlin]

But yeah about sharing beta stuff, even skybot says that stuff stays in beta channels

[keen shore]

Tac do you want to explain the Sahmbolism there or should I

[brisk python]

symbolic to what tho, i wanna hear what you theorize

[lusty merlin]

Where’s the emote-

[brisk python]

SAHMBOLISM ASIHAD

[keen shore]

I have to ask Tac if they want to explain it first cause I think they know and also they’re Sah guy

[lusty merlin]

My reaction:

Time to become an English teacher with these connections

[brisk python]

i was gonna make a "oh, so you're a sah fan?" joke but i couldn't think of anything funny

[lusty merlin]

First things first you need to believe in a theory for this to make more sence: the first elder ults could possibly connect to somthing in their realm (im a little fuzzy on what’s what but this is what I remember:

Isle: folded bird wings
Prarie: Butterfly
Forest: Jellyfish
Sah: Unmined darkstone
Mekh: manta
Wasteland: krill
Vault:Ancestor

The twins hairs are very important

[brisk python]

are you saying that just because sah is your favorite /j

[lusty merlin]

SO LIKE DARKSTONE

It’s everywhere in valley, valley needs it to function, taking away darkstone from valley is like taking cars away from a city built around cars yaknow?

Not only that but darkstone has been used for lamps, transportation, even making instruments and if you wnat can also be used to make advanced mobility aid/prosthetics (but that’s just me)

And we know how darkstone is made, draining manta light, it started with free roam but I can see that for darkstone to be a steady income they had to restrict and be more efficient

Hence why mantas went from free roam to caged

[half shadow]

and they were likely also used for just the sporting aspect of valley as well

[brisk python]

my poor sky pancakes really getting treated badly

[golden holly]

Dark stones are all over sky

Very good

I was able to know a little more about the past seasons

But... there's something in this Season "Remembrance"

It shows not only how the war impacted the Sky citizens...
It seems like there were 2 groups of people facing each other

I always thought that the War it was caused for the Light depletion
And creatures of Light and Nature repay them back...
But... it seems that somehow there was a rebellion of two groups...

[keen shore]

Yes, that’s what they’re saying (reply to message above one above me)

[lusty merlin]

Yes Naikto: but valley is the realm that is covered, and has shown to use darkstone the most in any other realm combined

Now The twins cutscene

We see the light we give to the twins, now keep in mind with the theory of the elder hair I mentioned earlier

Mekh is more gentle with trying to give the light, going down on one knee to meet our Etel Evel and holds their hand out.
But Sah moves infront of them and Mekh does the same
Sah then takes the light, and proceeds to have more control on the light as Mekh tried to get it back, then they knock it into the sky

[brisk python]

sah is just stinky

[keen shore]

full of sahlice

[fossil field]

not the sahlice 😭😭 /j

[half shadow]

the spirits definitely fought each other. we have hints that there are shields with sun symbols on them and spears/various iconography with diamond symbols, so many assume these to be the two sides of the war with the diamond side being pro-darkstone and the sun side being anti-darkstone or at least opposed to how gratuitous the usage of it has become at the expense of light creature’s lives and pollution output

[golden holly]

Yeah
Good Point...

I was thinking about the same "The Symbol of the Shields"

[lusty merlin]

Now metaphor as I switch to my English teacher analysis: thinking on how darkstone takes light, what it’s needs to do to be fueled can show the struggle of balancing darkstone and trying to get light from the mantas that turned to an imbalance

Like Mekh had some control in the beginning, but as it goes on Sah takes so much control that they eventually use all the light and always takes but never gives. And then they repeat it

[golden holly]

What does the "king" do in all this history?

[half shadow]

and you’ll notice that the Wasteland elder has a sheild with both a sun and a diamond sign on it! maybe this indicates they used to be one unified force, but a rebellion caused the sides to split

[golden holly]

🤔‼️
Remember that the "king"
Looks just like us

There's something diferent between the past Sky citizen
And Us

[lusty merlin]

But yeah basically the twins fighting for light can show the struggle of how getting light from mantas evolved to free roam to just straight up draining them in favor of the production of the diamonds

And if you want to concider Sah was more into darkstone than Mekh, can also show the conflict between the two. Somthing a little more deeper conflict than the sibling rivalry we’re shown face value

[keen shore]

It’s also interesting that they’re shown as two (but also somewhat counting as the same elder judging by orbit titles) since manta light often fills darkstone & darkstone can’t work without light (that in ancestor times was most commonly manta light)

[lusty merlin]

I know a dev mentioned they try to compromise (I’ll find the video)

But ofcorse somtimes a compromise can be unfair

[lusty merlin]

OO YEAH YOUR RIGHT

[keen shore]

and it also shows they disagree on a lot of things, maybe including the darkstone conflict which is really interesting

[frigid tinsel]

I was not expecting this here oml

[lusty merlin]

But yeah here

They obviously talk and try to find a middle ground, even if it goes into ones favor way more

[keen shore]

protesting against the darkstone industry by hiding rubber spiders under your twins pillow

[half shadow]

the “King” is a mysterious figure. they aren’t directly in the game as a character (yet) but their influence is all over the world. it’s assumed that they were the one to start the Darkstone Revolution, which allowed the rapid development of technology by expanding mining efforts to acquire more darkstone and create more “power diamonds”, which are what light creatures are drained to power. this allowed them to expand the kingdom with things like flying ships and floating cities. but the conflict eventually started, and then the Eden diamond was activated somehow, causing a lot of destruction.

you’re also correct in how many people associate the King with the skykids. some people thing the winged lights are actually memories of the King from when they were young, and that when the Eden diamond shattered, the King also “shattered,” scattering their light and essence all over the world. some people also think that some parts of the King were used to create the skykids, which is why we look so similar!

[lusty merlin]

HWLP KEVEIEB

[keen shore]

i like to think they were just a skykid

[lusty merlin]

Just a lad

[half shadow]

yeah, i sort of got too complicated with the explanation but i basically believe that as well lmao. they went from the first skykid to the chosen one to the king

[frigid tinsel]

Some take “the king,” or better said Chosen One, as the first skykid or a proto skykid and fish said what I was saying alright

[spring python]

Methinks Sky kids are the result of multiple different sources of light but I’m too lazy to explain that idea Rn

[keen shore]

This is incredibly silly but part of me distrusts the Eden mural’s non metaphoricalness in Night’s cutscene and my only logic is “they’re too tall”

[half shadow]

the light/megabird/cosmos: i’m going to send this burgeoning spiritual society a messiah, surely they’ll all be normal about this

looks away for a second

you mean the depiction of the King or the Elders being too tall?

[spring python]

They should have given One to me I would have raised them well

[frigid tinsel]

There’s a term for this but something about how important figures are depicted larger than others in murals

[keen shore]

Hierarchical scale?

[half shadow]

oh yeah! Egyptians were really famous for that. i’d also say that the sideways facing profile and general stiffness of the figure might also be drawing inspiration from Egyptian art

[keen shore]

i remember looking at this mural at one point like why are they not skykid shaped

[half shadow]

thinking about it now i think the way this is structured is super reminiscent of Egyptian artwork of gods and heros

[keen shore]

Yeah, since you mentioned it I see it pretty clearly too. This is a WILD theory but I wonder if it’s because it’s drawing comparison of Vault to tombs where this sort of art might be found

[half shadow]

HMMM that’d be really neat!!! i mean heck that entire area of the vault on the lower floor is FILLED with gravestones

in some ways it could be a tomb, considering it primarily holds memories, many of which are probably from people from very long ago

[keen shore]

It’s really interesting to see how differently they r depicted here vs in that one prophecy mural that looks like a wheel (my personal favorite mural)

[half shadow]

ohhh yes I love this one too!!!!

[magic loom]

Oooo yes

[keen shore]

I have to wonder if the elder cutscene one is how other people saw them, kinda like the theory of the tlp spirits being elder caricatures, but idk how that would fit given the other elder murals in the cutscene are super direct

[frigid tinsel]

Yea the final Prophecy mural with everything going around it reminds me a circular cycle and something something Light cycle

[keen shore]

It also mirrors the one symbol that represents all the realms hold on lemme find it

[half shadow]

given that the Eden mural isn’t actually a real mural at all, it’s a constellation, rather than something clearly drawn by the Ancestors, i wonder if the projection of it was something the Elders in the cutscene conjured up specifically to show us?

[keen shore]

this one. some things are moved around but the general shape is definitely paralleled

[half shadow]

oh yes for sure!

[keen shore]

Oh that would make sense! I have a very weird thought on those projections that would make no sense with the idea I just proposed but I want to mention it anyways

[half shadow]

go on go on

[keen shore]

so this mural in repository of refuge is describing how memory lanterns work. It’s pretty straightforward, from what I can tell it’s just ‘put a bit of your own light into darkstone, thinking about what you want it to project, and then when the darkstone absorbs that the device will project your memory like a recording.’

my logic for this idea is that the diamond in Night’s cutscene might work the same way, and also that we put our light/flame in there — meaning those projections might be our memories (or more accurately perceptions) of the elders. What each of them are doing in their murals mirrors what they do for us in their cutscenes, and since we know from the new intro that this isn’t our first time in the world and we’re remembering things slowly, they might have triggered memories of those events.

It might not be true as it fully depends on how you see memory lanterns working but it is really interesting to think about.

I also think that with the general themes of Vault revolving around reviewing what you’ve learned so far, looking back at your own past — both recent and the older one you barely remember — fits better than the elder showing it to you, but again, personal interpretation more than anything else.

[lusty merlin]

OUGH holy shoot this is a super intersting idea

[keen shore]

And of course, the only elder our skykid hasn’t met is Eden; since they’re a kid having to travel through a desolate world and fix things, maybe they do what a lot of players do and assume all the blame falls on them and that’s why their mural looks like that, and why they’re a vague figure only recognizable by their crown.

[lusty merlin]

Salem I love this so much I’m spinning you around

[keen shore]

Interestingly enough, our skykid at least knows what they look like post Eden cause they’re depicted in more detail in our friend constellation so I wonder how that works

[lusty merlin]

WAFO things

[keen shore]

THANK YOU SO MUCH 💛‼️ is spun

[half shadow]

this is a super cool idea!!!

[lusty merlin]

IT DIDNT SAVE AS A GIF NOOOO

OUGH the sunset emotes 🫶

Nvm i realized what you were referring roo salem thought you saw them doing the spin hug

[untold notch]

I don't like that mural either it's a peculiar one

[half shadow]

im of the somewhat controversial opinion that a decent amount of King centric concept art is in some way still canon, moreso in the idea everything obviously shown in the concept art is instead now implied in the game, which is why I’m a big proponent of the idea that the massive size of the Eden elder could both be metaphorical but also literal because the concept of the King having become this massive towering corrupted figure is present a lot in Eden concept art, which is what I sort of connect the mural to. even if it may not be literal I’ve always taken it as a depiction more or less saying “the King tried to consume too much power and is now trapped” which is something I thought the Elders may have wanted to communicate to the skykid, but I think the idea of it actually being a memory of ours is super super neat and gives some insight into how exactly the skykid interprets the history

my reasoning for why I believe the concept art thing? simple. my explanation is as follows:

OUUGHH BIG SCARY GUY TRAPPED IN MOUNTAIN !!!!!!! SET THEM FREE!!!!! BUST THEM OUT!!!!!!

[keen shore]

fish you might enjoy Darkstalker from wings of fire

[half shadow]

thank you for hearing me out i’ve put a lot of thought into this and i think i’ve made my point very concisely. also looking that up rn

oh hey this if somewhat familiar i wonder if i’ve read this series before??

[untold notch]

I know I've mentioned this here before but like why do the twins have concept art hair in the vault cutscene constellations

[keen shore]

Sport helmets I think

[lusty merlin]

I WONDER TJIS TOO IYS ALWAYS BOTHERD ME

THEIR LIGHHT AWAITS CUTSCENE HAD THEIR REGULAR HAIR TOO???

[untold notch]

strangeness... I should look at the mural itself again

[half shadow]

yeah i’ve assumed that it may be they just really liked the cutscene and didn’t feel the need to fully recreate it

[keen shore]

i like to think it is like hockey helmets but they have a fancy thing on top

[untold notch]

does the mural master list have those

[half shadow]

this one?

[untold notch]

sunsets but from that cutscene yes

[lusty merlin]

Who are youuuuuu

[keen shore]

oh god I accidentally pasted too much

[untold notch]

YES THIS WHY SRE THEY LOKE THAG

[austere bridge]

sunset our beloved…

[half shadow]

oh yeah I’ve always thought of those as like elaborate helmets

[lusty merlin]

HELPPP

[untold notch]

going off of this though wouldn't it display the elders as we saw them

[lusty merlin]

WHY DOES YOUR LIGHHT AWAIT CUTSCENE HAVE YOUR HAIR BUT LIVE DOESNT????

[half shadow]

anyone: hey can i get a picture of sunset—
salem spilling all of xyr pictures from a massive box:

[lusty merlin]

Also cursed Mekh with right eye

[spring python]

Dawg I was playing spot the difference cause I didn’t read the message

[untold notch]

so yeah it's weird and I'm frowning at it

[lusty merlin]

Long hair twins smh I must now draw them both with long lucious hair🙄

[untold notch]

why's kingy wingy pondering the orb also like does bro want a snack or

[spring python]

“Long luscious” is an interesting way to describe it cause the image looks like one of those glove world hats from sponge Bob

[lusty merlin]

STOP

Maybe they tried locs and decided to ruin their hair with heat damage or somthing smh /lh

[spring python]

They look like they’re about to eat it

[half shadow]

even though it’s weird I still like it, idk something about the funky helmets just looks cool to me

[untold notch]

idk it's just like that's not how the elders looked when we met them either

[lusty merlin]

I actually like this idea wait-

Made rains hair locs in my hc i could see if they would fit for pre haircut sunset

Either that or regular braids

Cuz either one their mural confuses me

[frigid tinsel]

I’ve always interpreted Rain’s hair as dreadlocks. Given Steathky Survivor’s hair, it seems hair texture is not going to be rendered in detail

[keen shore]

i would not be surprised if they simply never updated the cutscene

[untold notch]

but then why is light awaits

[keen shore]

that’s why the light awaits…

[lusty merlin]

the awaits light

[low spindle]

light

[frigid tinsel]

Await

[low spindle]

Honestly this makes so much sense to me, I always saw it as being like flowy hair(because thats what everyone drew it as), and it never looked right in me drawing it or thinking about it.

(SORRY FOR PING I FORGOT TO TURN IT OFF)

[frigid tinsel]

Too many people like to forget dreadlocks exist 😔

[austere bridge]

we support the idea of rain having sick dreads /positive

[keen shore]

I saw Rain drawn with dreadlocks once and I was like. Yeah this is correct

[low spindle]

Honestly. This has given me a new inspiration to draw rain later.

[frigid tinsel]

Besides, dreadlocks can be flowy.

I made a humanized Rain in a picrew one and this just feels correct

[austere bridge]

it does

[keen shore]

i really like how @lusty merlin draws them

[low spindle]

Im seeing it now, and Its all I want to see. Definitely going full dreadlocks mode with my rain drawings

[lusty merlin]

ough ty

[frigid tinsel]

Tac with the most correct Elder depictions

[sharp lichen]

It’s a big scary guy trapped in red jelly diamond

[jaunty vale]

ok lore chat help me remember
what are these used for

[sharp lichen]

Probably containers

[pastel brook]

Anyone else read the patch notes, or just me?

[untold notch]

to me they are suspiciously darkstone shaped

[sharp lichen]

I mean, everything in Sky is shaped like a diamond

[untold notch]

generalization aside the fact that they're in a refinery does add to that implication

[sharp lichen]

Yeah: the “Skykids being the reincarnation/related to the King” theory is common and I like it a lot, but I think there are other versions of the King’s fate that I like more

[untold notch]

one other place i remember seeing those is the shipwreck in wasteland which is also an industrial area

[wild pasture]

Astral* has a point. In the forest temple cut scene, after we wake the elder, an object very similar to that appears in the mechanism, housing the power diamond above the shrine. If you compare the two, it doesn't just gain a power diamond, it gains one of those, too, or at least a housing that looks similar to it.

[pastel brook]

but what does it all mean?

[jaunty vale]

i don’t know where else i saw them, but i remember thinking that they could be used to transport creatures of the light before refining

the gold is the same as the towers and spinning things that summon the mantas in the prairie, and when you do the forest cutscene in the elder room, mantas come in

[lusty merlin]

actually based from this diamond here in the valley race, i feel like they were vessels for darkstone sharing a similar pattern seen here.
Id like to think they we're frames for darkstone, like setting a diamond into a ring for a finishing touch

[half shadow]

they remind me of the big spinning bells in Prarie just stylistically

given how they work there, maybe something about them attract light creatures?

[lusty merlin]

gold has shown in the past to bring light creatures so i can see it, maybe a sort of conductor? would also be some sad iorny as what once brought creatures of light, is now a frame for the very thing they were destroyed for

[wild pasture]

I always figured it was the bell's harmony that brought the creatures... After all, they don't show up until exactly 3 bells are ringing (except in Sanctuary Isles, where more come with each bell added). Same in Forest, where the jellies don't show up until three bells are rung.

[lusty merlin]

yaya, i can see different bells being able to summon different creatures, wonder if the engravings have anything to do with it

[low spindle]

If different bells can call in creatures. Would the engravings be like, labels to show which creatures they attract?

Perhaps another the reason bells could be used for this purpose is because the bells closely resemble the honks that the light creatures do?

[mossy verge]

I have a lingering question in my mind: What are skykids made of?

I thought of stardust but that doesn't make any sense since we can pull candles out

And then there's cases where rain in hidden forest and water trial can douse our skykid's light, but not normal water like in the abyss season area where skykids can swim normally.

[frigid tinsel]

My Working Theory on the Composition of a Skykid
–clothing, hair, masks & other cosmetics made of light.
–a humanoid physical shell made of some magic-induced earthen material (i.e. clay, stone, ash, charcoal, meteorite) that has a hole in the chest and eyes.
–this hollow shell is full of light, such as winged light and neutral light.
–their cape, a manifestation of winged light.
–their flame, manifesting as the light in the hole in their chest and held outside their bodies via a red candle.
–their soul, appearing as a blue sparkle.

[untold notch]

full of soup

[earnest briar]

My belief is that gold is very good for conducting light, like how it's a good conductor of electricity. And by engraving different symbols onto the gold, you can tune it to do certain things. In the case of bells and chimes, they attract different Light creatures. In the case of the power diamond containers, it keeps the light from leaking out of the power diamond until it's ready to be used. And (possibly?) for the Spirit gravestones, it attunes to a certain Spirit and gives them an anchoring point to freely go between the Light and the kingdom.

[cunning umbra]

totally real sky lore

[frigid tinsel]

thanks, I hate it

[mossy verge]

It's also interesting how the camera flare of children of light is the same as the camera flare for Eden

I could theorize that the children of light were originate from there

[cunning umbra]

It is implied that they come from the light at the end of Eden. You see it in orbit and there's a full veiw of it at the end of the credits . I'm not super familiar with the lore but I think it's called megabird?

[untold notch]

that's megabird!

[soft timber]

on my way to see Megabirb again because I miss them

[frigid tinsel]

the starry area we ascend to after dying in Eden is called Orbit aka the Light. there's different interpretations of Megabird, some calling Them the god of Sky, analogous to the Light, or an aspect or manifestation of the Light. I deem Megabird the consciousness of the Light while Orbit is the surface of the Light while others see no difference between Orbit and the Light. it's a bunch of terms you have to figure out how you wanna apply

[mossy verge]

(image is from the wiki)

For the last cutscene in vault we see a mural that seemingly depicts Eden. I feel like the mural is depicting that whoever is represented here must have touched the eden diamond and accidentally caused the cataclysm of the sky realm, and Eden becomes unlivable and flooded with krills.

[sharp lichen]

they didn't touch the eden diamond, the eden diamond touched them

[untold notch]

huh?

[sharp lichen]

Got skill issue’d by the icosehedronic clotted cream tart

[untold notch]

what

[sharp lichen]

Absorbed by the Saturday Shatterer

[untold notch]

I do not have a single idea what you're talking about

[keen shore]

he means when the diamond exploded

[sharp lichen]

||I like the theory that the King fell into the Eden Diamond||

[untold notch]

ah I see thank you for clarifying

[sharp lichen]

In the final shattering memory, we see a king-like object falling into an already corrupted diamond though

[untold notch]

idk if I'd describe the object as king like (yes I know it's the symbol or whatever) but it is definitely up there for reasons

[keen shore]

unspecific kinglike object (uko)

[tepid veldt]

unidentified flying object (skykids)

[half shadow]

oh yeah I’m actually of the opinion that the king is inside the eden diamond and the weird king shape torpedoing down into it is actually a reflection

[sharp lichen]

I think the King’s modern form exists as the Void of Shattering, but entirely unrecognizable

[jaunty vale]

just realized there are gold containers scattered around the polluted geyser… definitely not used for containing creatures of light. i’m gonna go with dark stone molds or containers

[hushed steeple]

I have a theory about swimming, and this is probably common knowledge but here goes. Sky Kids can only stay under water for so long, being that we are made entirely of flame/light. Similar to what we experience with rain, our light is simply extinguished after remaining in water for long periods of time. So, when you lose WL from being underwater, you aren’t drowning. You’re just being extinguished.

[floral skiff]

Evil sky kids

[hushed steeple]

I forget where but I once read a theory that skykids are made of wax themselves and theyre hollow on the inside (except for like of course the inner flame/light)... and maybe that's why they crack up the way they do when they die and become statues

[bitter carbon]

My theory is that the Sky kids are made of dark stone. Because I found that the ability of the sky kids are very similar to the characteristics of dark stones, it can absorb and store light energy, and after the update of the season of shattering, whenever we receive a serious hit, crystals will precipitate on our bodies, which feels like the phenomenon of supersaturated solution, and this crystal is very similar to the dark stone dug up in spirit memories.

[hushed steeple]

Interesting! I think we’re simply made of light all together. For example, Winged Light—pure light—is very similar in appearance to Skids. The “shells” we are encased in, whether it be dark stone, clay, etc., are just a form of protection, like skin. This would also explain the glowing lights behind our eyes, and the flame within our chests.

[soft pivot]

Sorry, fairly new but super invested in the lore, The chosen one, Alef, is mostly believed to have become the King at some point, is that conclusion drawn from specific murals or memories? I can't find anything about the change over exactly.

[wild pasture]

I kind of had a similar theory, based on the colours we glow when we use our wedges. We glow blue, like darkness plants, and lose our light. I had a theory that we might have been born of darkness, but imbued with light by... something (Megabird, Light itself, Eden, idk), giving us form and function to save the children of light.

[shrewd path]

I'm too late to notice the similarity of hairstyle between the bird call spirit and grandma so did the former grew up into grandma?

[pastel brook]

owo?

-AI brain explodes-

[elfin ibex]

this does also make sense given we (the sky kids) cast a shadow while our cape doesnt given it is made of pure light

[delicate condor]

I sorted out another version of the sky letters. I don't know if anyone else has sorted it out before. If there are any mistakes, please let me know.

[sharp lichen]

It was mostly drawn demo the murals, specifically the ones in the Cave of Prophecies

[soft pivot]

So it's another theory that we're kind of going off, not exactly confirmed?

[sharp lichen]

Yes, most things here are theories and not confirmed

[tepid veldt]

confirmed is an ancient legend

[compact shale]

Every 3000 moon cycles, Ash descends
But it's only every 210000 moon cycles that Ash confirms a theory

[frigid tinsel]

That idea is derived entirely from Tom Zhao’s concept art, which isn’t canon even though many people take it as such. Some believe the Prophecy murals depict Alef, but rather it may depict another character who has taken Alef’s role.

[sharp lichen]

Canon is rarer than a blue moon in the Sky world

[untold notch]

hi candlemaker

[tepid veldt]

candlemaker :D

[native galleon]

to file under "height stuff": max height skid vs kid spirits

more evidence of us being miniature versions of the ancestors

[soft pivot]

Thank you everyone so much 😊

[frigid tinsel]

Not necessarily miniature ancestors but just how small we are compared to the child ancestors. But I agree, skykids are little

[round parrot]

Megabird took away our tall height privileges 💔

[brisk python]

🔬

[tepid veldt]

vertically challenged

[brisk python]

height impaired

[sharp lichen]

Physiologically Miniscule

[keen shore]

I saw this gif and started smiling very hard

tgc made skykids unreasonably small so people could finally experience what it was like to be me

[odd siren]

tgc really said napoleon complex awareness

[scenic siren]

As time pass by and more sky kids being born, I think krill population will also increase due to the abundance of food and no animal eat them in the wild. Soon Wasteland and Eden will be so full of krills that they start move to other areas, chomping every sky kids wings on their way.

[untold notch]

I mean I haven't really seen an increase and it's been what three years of this game being out

[earnest briar]

I had a theory while doing dailies with my friends earlier. I know darkness makes creatures aggressive towards Sky kids, but what if they're also trying to defend their territory? I mean we're the ones who just barge into Wasteland on our way to Eden. They only become hostile if they see us, and once they attack us they leave us alone until we're spotted again. Maybe they're just wild animals trying to defend what they consider their home.

[untold notch]

I've thought they want our light, considering both krills and crabs don't attack extinguished kids

...I don't actually remember if thats true or not but I don't want to test

[lusty merlin]

I have nothing better to do so

[untold notch]

godsspeed tac I take no responsibility for any wl you may lose

[native galleon]

yea i didn't mean that literally, i just meant we're built different

[lusty merlin]

Conclusion

Your never safe

[native galleon]

as long as you have wl left they will take it

[low spindle]

Thats sorta what I thought due to concept art and some other theories.

But my thoughts of it are: they are trying to get their own light back due to them being corrupted from darkness. I think it was confirmed somewhere that the dark creatures were once light (dont quote me on that might be wrong).
But, something that goes into the light-darkness theory with krills atleast, is that krills have the same sort of honk pattern that light creatures have(may just be a game coincidence, to have everything that makes noise the same effect)

[untold notch]

light is light I don't think they're conscious enough to discriminate where it's coming from

[native galleon]

don't they come from the excess waste left over from drained light creatures? like any other pollution but somehow alive

[lusty merlin]

we only know they're corrupted, don't know how they got corrupted we just know they are

[low spindle]

I personally just beleive they were corrupted like how they are in concept art (not the best to go off of, obviously, but it works for my little brain right now) Maybe one day we will get a confirmed answer as to how

[native galleon]

i mean, light crabs exist, so i imagine dark crabs are just crabs that are infected or corrupted. but krill only exist in industrial areas with extreme levels of pollution (eden and gw, but not forest for example which has it to a milder degree) so my hc is that they are literally just toxic sludge creatures that come from high concentrations of darkness so i think of them not as individual light creatures that were corrupted, but a mass of darkness left over from large numbers of light creatures

[untold notch]

I think Salem has a theory like that as well, I think it's neat

[native galleon]

thanks! kinda occurred to me whenever i would go by and hear the gross sludgy noises lol
for that reason i also think that they aren't really sentient, they're instinctively aware enough to seek out light because they know they lost it and they need it, but not aware enough to know why

[half shadow]

yeah could explain how they just sort of patrol aimlessly

[thin dawn]

Personally I think that krill started as crabs since crabs and shrimp ( species krill are based off of ( are closely related and maybe they went through some sort of evolutionary morphing or maybe they just got a bit too angry lolol!! Just kidding just kidding ! I think that this morphing happens when there is too much exposure to corruption or the Eden shard or a lack of water! We primarily see crabs near body’s of water but krill are usually in dry areas ( wasteland ( desert ) ) they of course have a small body of water nearby but it’s not nearly enough for there massive body’s ! I think that this caused them to morph lolol! But in the case of the big underwater krill creature I think that it just morphed like a normal krill but was exposed to water quickly and adapted to living as a flying creature underwater !

[surreal laurel]

The math isnt adding up??

[quick jasper]

isn't it better to ask that in #questions-and-help

[surreal laurel]

I know i clicked on that channel to sent this 😭 what is happening to matrix

[rain lance]

they attack even extinguished ones. Happened to me in game

[frigid tinsel]

iirc krill won’t attack you if you’re extinguished and crawling on the ground

[lusty merlin]

i havent tried crawling yet, maybe thats why i got bonked

[native galleon]

another thought on my krill theory before i get off my messed up idea soapbox: what if the first time a krill showed up out of the pollution - which was already ruining the environment and making people sick in what is now gw - it was like the last straw that made them decide enough was enough and start an uprising? and then as that turned into a war and things got even more destroyed they just kept coming to make everything worse like you see in the seed memory hehe ok thats enough angsty rambling for me

[true wing]

@cunning umbra lore creation

[bitter carbon]

I feel strongly that the appearance of krill will be explained in the animation project.

[wild pasture]

I certainly hope so.

[keen shore]

Lore enjoyers spending many WL to discover the facts that Dusk already knew 🙄

[scenic siren]

Also tested, those shrimps do attack my capeless extinguished kid

[sharp lichen]

Which probably confirms that krills attack children for their light

[pastel brook]

bruh...

just chillin, waiting to hear something cool

[sharp lichen]

Season of Shattering 2

There are still creature memories that don't exist: birds, butterflies, fish, Ancestors, Leviathan/King Krill, and cosmic mantas

Perhaps a different, more platform/aerial oriented shard?

Maybe you save the Ancient Light/Ancient Dark, now reduced to almost nothing, in these extremely powerful shards that now appear in Isle (only appears after you complete Eden)

Ancient Memories that depict the creature memories, alongside a more chaotic and ruined landscape and petrified bodies to represent Ancestors

And finally, the origin of the Void of Shattering

[keen shore]

maybe those creatures just weren’t there when the Diamond exploded — or in the case of birds and butterflies, weren’t made of ‘solid’ enough light to petrify instead of just flickering away

[round parrot]

Soupy light creatures

[keen shore]

I’ve been wondering if the shattering memories are almost like a puzzle. The diamond is visible in two of them; in the rest, the creatures all migrate or look in one direction. I wonder if they’re all looking at the diamond, and I also wonder if you could reconstruct all the light in the exact moment of shattering by fitting the memories and the creatures in them together like a puzzle

I really love the shattering memory implications that the diamond sucked in all the creature light it could and then made an exact, perfect record of it. It makes me wonder what else it could have consumed and held inside of itself, like the elders, maybe, or us before the disaster

[weak ore]

@iydllia#9153

[amber snow]

I've been extremely behind on lore so-

I've heard a theory that just like the other realms the eye of eden also had an elder, maybe once eden was a peaceful place like all the other places like daylight prairie, valley of triumph, etc. But then one day darkness came and befell on eden, hence it became the eye of eden we knew today (reference of season of shattering, the darkness that came upon the realms was small, so we could still save those realms) I heard this theory from someone so it's not me who made it ok

(also a quick little thing, if you guys had ever experienced the Aurora concert back then, in one of the scenes where "Runaway" was being placed, we can see in the Isle of dawn there are little green bits on the ground, probably grass. Maybe Isle of dawn was a place kinda like daylight prairie, but something happened? I'm just gonna point it out to the ppl)

[deep vigil]

hi is there any krill lore bc im curious(like how they appeared or something)

[wild wharf]

My boyfriend and I have this AU where it has a lot to do with some sort of karma system, as well as whether you have drunk dark water or other physical pollution. If you have too much bad karma and/or have been exposed to too much pollution or "low-burn" (radiation) from red crystals, the blue crystals you grow from within you (shown when you get krilled, for instance) may begin to turn red. If left alone without friendly light for too long, a child of the light may turn into a krill.

[round parrot]

We do know (canonically) that krills are corrupted

[deep vigil]

on my way to become a krill fr

[safe jacinth]

Can't believe Sky: Children of the Light is only one part of the larger story of Sky. I am earnestly waiting for future installments

[fringe valley]

sometimes i think krills as the skeleton of whales that we see in the season of sanctuary, and that pollution melt/rot their flesh thus why they look so sharp

[sharp lichen]

Do you think a sequel to Sky is coming? That would be very interesting

[safe jacinth]

well the title of the game suggests that there would be other Sky: _______, I also heard jenova chen in the sky travel guide video imply that

[sharp lichen]

Very interesting idea, but Sky is such a big game already that I doubt it would have a new game until 5-10 years from now

After all, seasons kind of act like new installments to Sky, giving us more lore

[hushed steeple]

Ig they are corrupted but once they were like the big white fish ( a manta varient) and some small varient of krills would be added like the small mantas

[weary haven]

I’m really interested in learning about sky lore but one thing I don’t get is the winged light. You find those children who are standing still and collect them but what exactly are they and why can’t they move? Are they fallen stars like us or a spirit?

[halcyon wren]

I'm a lurker here, so none of the ideas I'm presenting are original. But one big hint about WL is how they are referred to as "Lost Memories" in the intro of the game when you are being led through Isle of Dawn.

From that alone, there are a lot of possibilities to explain the existence and location of WL. Some believe these locations are a place of supercharged energy because something very important/memorable/emotional happened there for ancestors/skykids/the king.

[untold notch]

a theory I've seen and like in this channel is that krills are amalgamations of the remains of several light creatures that were turned into darkstone

[halcyon wren]

Another theory is they are "pieces" of either skykids, megabird, or the king that were split off after the calamity and happen to fall there.

But I hope someone who actually made any of these theories will explain them better for ya

[half shadow]

yup, I think this too! I think the most likely memory-haver is the King/first skykid

[strong eagle]

Sky: Returning to The Light? (thought of on the spot, sorry if bad)

[strong eagle]

I think so too

[hushed steeple]

why are the shields in the golden wastealnd gigantic? were the soldiers giants or something. theyre much bigger than what spirits can wield

[sharp lichen]

We don't know exactly, but there are many theories. Mine is that the soldiers used resize potions to make themselves bigger.

[hushed steeple]

so the soldiers could use magic? o-o

[sterile orchid]

the shields were probably made to cover as much of the spirit as they could make it, without being so incredibly heavy that it wasn't possible to lift at all

always gotta keep in mind that the ancestors are much larger than you'd initially expect, and the things made for them are way bigger than needed for sky kids

[half shadow]

well, it’s close to the Vault, which is inherently pretty magical

[sharp lichen]

We see magic in many places in Sky, even in combat.

In the Season of Enchantment, the spirits use magic more peacefully.

In the Aurora concert, we see it being used more violently, with green-blue light showering the battlefield like artillery

If resize potions were bought and sold, then it’s likely Ancestors used it

[untold notch]

could be in part for the atmosphere of the area, it makes it seem so much more desolate than if they were normal size

[hushed steeple]

I thought the ancestors were the size of the spirits we see in sky

[digital moat]

I was reborn.
NOW WHAT SHOULD DO THE LIFE IS POINTLESS

[hushed steeple]

I thought that was normal artillery never knew it was magical tysm

[digital moat]

Ahm. Sorry ...

[sterile orchid]

they are, but there's probably a much wider range of sizes so the average could be much larger than we see them

[half shadow]

I’ve wondered that the larger artillery could have been fired from some sort of warship

[sharp lichen]

Life in Sky has a very different meaning than what you'd expect. "Death" is not a final end to existence, but rather a place to start anew

[sharp lichen]

The color is very similar to the "Cyan Light of Air" we see throughout Sky. In other places, we see it break clouds, create gusts of wind, and make platforms float.

[digital moat]

Ah....I see I just feel bad for the achievements I've lost

[sharp lichen]

The only thing you lose when completing Eden is your winged light. Everything else is the same

[digital moat]

You see the problem is I don't even know if I completed eden✨

How do you complete it?....why does this happen to me every time I feel too lazy to watch YouTube videos about. ✨ Tha game ✨

[sharp lichen]

Eden cannot be fully conquered. The only way of defeating it is escaping it. In the game lore, Eden is so powerful that it will always prevail.

[digital moat]

Oh.....so....its more about the experience

[safe jacinth]

what if the next installment of sky takes place before and during the catastrophe, that would be cool I think.

[sharp lichen]

I mean, the animation project could count as an “installment”

[hushed steeple]

Are we allowed to discuss the upcoming season?

[sterile orchid]

no

[hushed steeple]

Okay! My apologies

[half shadow]

you can in the beta channels! check out #beta-season-test-chat

[keen shore]

They might’ve been a design choice made to reflect the atmosphere of the level and convey how Wasteland’s ancient tragedies still loom over anyone who traverses the realm to this day. We have little evidence of magic being used to enhance the soldiers’ sizes, but if you want to believe that in order to explain their size within the universe itself, it may interest you as an explanation.

Making things large in order to convey a sense of atmosphere and power that dwarfs our skykid is a common visual design trick in Sky, used for everything from the sizes of the elders to the massive scale of the Eden temple, and many more. You can read more about this interpretation of the Wasteland shields’ size here: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[sharp lichen]

Wait, we have the chibi mask that Hide and Seek Pioneer wore to affect their height. Not only that, but height potions are available through the Forgotten Ark. Why couldn’t the Ancestors change their sizes if we do?

[worn estuary]

あ

[keen shore]

Hide and Seek Pioneer is probably a kid, not a chibi mask user. For the spells in forgotten ark, they could be made specifically for skykids, or the more likely option — they only sell those specific spells for game customization mechanics, not because the devs wanted us to think the ancestors have access to resize potions.

Again, this is just speculation, and you can choose whatever course of action you want; but Sky is a game that needs specific mechanics to enhance the player experience, and sometimes the world is built around those mechanics, not for them.

[untold notch]

there re a lot of resons why they couldnt, yeh

its entirely possible thta they just didnt have forms that were alterable by those kinds of magics while we do because skykids are strnge beasts

[half shadow]

aye

[half shadow]

oh for sure, the design of the world is super awesome and leads to a ton of speculation

[pastel brook]

What is Skykid hair made of? Is it candle wax? 🕯️

[frigid tinsel]

light

[safe jacinth]

that's true

[safe notch]

Can someone explain the lore of Sky to me?

[spring python]

Dead people

[safe notch]

•_•

[spring python]

And they’re all gay

[safe notch]

Oh-

[cold sparrow]

children made of light travel through the remains of an ancient civilization that had its downfall due to exploitation and pollution of the world they had
trying to cleanse this world from darkness and heal it, bringing peace and freedom to the light creatures and spirits that are trapped in this darkness

[indigo sphinx]

with sanctuary having its own sunset that implies each realm is one a different time scale right?

[untold notch]

i think some of them just dont have the passage of time coded

[indigo sphinx]

thats also a interesting thought too though bc i mean we are exploring a collapsed society as sky kids if some realms are un passing in time how did the society collapse like it did? why not go to a immortal realm where they theoretically would live forever and be safe unless there was a fight between themselves and not just the darkness

[untold notch]

the seed and season of remembrance pretty bluntly show there was a civil war of some kind

[indigo sphinx]

ah i have not fully looked at remembrance

[untold notch]

and I only say it like that because sky is not usually a game that is up front about its story so to see the seeds quest and part of the concert was really something, and then for remembrance to reinforce that

[cold sparrow]

I don't think that - lore-wise - any of these realms are really void of time
least of all for the ancestors

[untold notch]

coding is hard

[cold sparrow]

coding is hard and you have to consider what time scale you'd want to put the realm in and if it should cycle through sunset every two hours or if you just doom half the player base to play during night when it's actually noon for them irl

[untold notch]

also some of the realms have like zero light sources so

[indigo sphinx]

honestly i did wish we got more of a particle cycle in realms where it would make sense but most preferable a shorter cycle so you dont run into the half the players are playing in the wrong time to them irl thing

but tbf i also prefer home space at night s(when i mostly play for me)

[lusty merlin]

id honestly just love a toggle for day/night mode

too bright sometimes id adore a nighttime valley/daylight

forest and wasteland would be pretty errie aswell

[hushed steeple]

thank you so much

[floral skiff]

Sky could be a horror game

[fossil field]

honestly the way this chat explains it at times makes it sound like it is one /j

[round parrot]

silly blorbos aren't scary

[lusty merlin]

Tell that to my egg horrors hc

[green kestrel]

will we ever get edens backstory and how the dark dragons entered the kingdom??

[floral skiff]

Yes but you'll have to gather the story through clues in the realms (or reading theories/headcannons here)

[green kestrel]

ok

[low spindle]

Reminding me that I have a whole horror au for sky, that I need to work on lol

[floral skiff]

As I was heading into the light I heard bubbling sounds

[eternal totem]

The vast waters in Orbit

[floral skiff]

Apparently the water is hot

[tepid veldt]

the kids are back to live in my head again

i think assembly guide is scolding student’s mentor, and student looks up to them a lot. their head is angled the same way as the guide. the other kids dont know about this mentorship though, so they try to have fun while student’s trying to study, resulting in scolding

[thick forge]

these are the Lightseekers kids

[proud shell]

does the spirit/ancestor language have a name?? was suddenly curious about it so i came here!

[lusty merlin]

Nah unfortunately they don’t 💔 would love if we learn more about their language oneday but for now they’re just a bunch of symbols

[proud shell]

aww darnn!! yess would be so exciting to learn more about them! ive only just taken interest into the lore so ive been looking around for more stuff! I barely know anything at the moment but it’s still so exciting!

[lusty merlin]

Oo awesome! I’d suggest if you ever wanna get into it deeper that you can take it slow and all. Looking at smaller things that interest you and trying to piece them together than jumping headfirst into the more bigger questions there is. But you don’t have to do it that way ofcorse, if you wanna go headfirst then go for it!

Like learning about smaller things like ancestor culture, and how they would function and all is just as cool as thinking of how about the bigger things would’ve happened, like how the kingdom got to how it was for example.

[proud shell]

ohh that advice is so helpful thank you so much!! i had no idea how to start looking into everything and getting caught up with everyone else who likes lore so thank you so much <3!!!

[lusty merlin]

Yaya anytime! Sky’s story is like divided up into little crumbs so I find it easier to just focus on one aspect at a time as you build on that

[lusty merlin]

OKA OKAY SO LIKE

We know the wasteland war is a civil war yeah? But i always wonderd who it was aginst, the most popular idea was valley vs wasteland, pro darkstone vs anti darkstone but other than that it was pure speculation on who wasteland was fighting.
That’s what I thought, cuz I like to belive The Valley vs wasteland idea isn’t too far off

So like the first image is in harmony hall and the diamond it instantly reminded me of the diamond shield seen in wasteland, only difference is the extra outline and the switching of the pallete so the darker outline is on the inside

Thinking metaphorically it would also resemble darkstone better. Then I was like wait wasn’t there a sun ontop of the tower of treasure reef? And there is!

Not only that but if you think of the cyclone and the fact both twins control the wind light shown in prophecy it really starts to lean the idea of the war being valley/wasteland more sense

[strong eagle]

Can Skykids get corrupted?

[lusty merlin]

Nah they can’t as far as we know, corrupted skykids are just a fan idea usually seen for skykid oc’s unless proven otherwise in-game at some point

[lusty merlin]

But yeah basically I noticed these small details, and ik sky is big on environmental storytelling. And the fact the war could’ve been about darkstone and light, wasteland having an abandoned refinery, and the fact valley needs darkstone to function in a way. Like darkstone is woven with valley, if you take it away you take away valley’s power, like taking cars from a city built around cars.

So like the motive for the war becomes more clear, I think Salem suggested worker strikes happened in wasteland evolving darkstone, and honestly I can see that happening. Why make somthing that is utterly destroying you home that your realm doesn’t get to keep yaknow?

That’s all I got just thought I’d share

And personally I can see the cyclone using to lock wasteland out to prevent invading or to even prevent krill invading, not wanting to risk the chance of either invading the city🎉

[keen shore]

YEAH!! this is my Favorite interpretation of the war, and like you I think it makes tons of sense. I didn’t notice a lot of the symbols you did, good job finding them :o

[untold notch]

warrior cats rp, in true forest fashion

[lusty merlin]

OUGH tyty, it just suddenly clicked after seeing the boxes in harmony hall

[strong eagle]

It’s a fan idea

[keen shore]

This part is more up to interpretation than solid evidence, but I feel like with the idea of Valley vs Wasteland that I adopted, that story is told all throughout the environment if you’re willing to listen. The part about Valley looking away from the war and distracting themselves is even reflected onto us as players, like Let said, and that trick is extremely cool to me.

[half shadow]

oh man my brain juices are low but hard agree on all of this Tac and Salem! I feel like the idea is so obviously There that it can’t be anything but something like that

[keen shore]

Imagine the war starting and all of a sudden the winds shift unnaturally, covering Wasteland in thick dark clouds and blotting out the sun and the stars. In the sickly green darkness the crops Wasteland ancestors and their makeshift army depended on wither and die, leaving them stranded on meager resource supplies that dwindle as fast as the light does

Soon, the sun painted on the soldiers’ shields is the only sun left in Wasteland

[half shadow]

i wonder then how Eden fits into this, if the fighting migrated there and for what reason

[lusty merlin]

OUGH yeah, I imagined somthing like the twins light awaits cutscene happened as they just dragged the clouds and wind to cover wasteland

[half shadow]

THE TWINS ARE NOW WAR CRIMINALS

[lusty merlin]

MY POOR LIL MEOW MEOW WAR CRIMINAL

[atomic lava]

can someone remind me which elements went to which elders

[lusty merlin]

It’s on the prophecy murals but basically

Water forest
Earth Prarie
Wind valley
Fire wasteland

[keen shore]

I wonder too. You see a couple of swords and a shield in a room there, although it looks more like an armory than the location of an ancient battlefield. There were, at the very least, some defenses set up there.

But on the other hand… If the diamond was there during the war, you’d think the Wasteland army would’ve gone there too — I can’t imagine why a massive anti darkstone force would’ve left a diamond over the strongest and most important light source in their world. In that case, we’d see a lot more evidence of fighting — probably more along the lines of Battlefield than the wreckage of a city. Because of that, I’m thinking the diamond only came around after the war, but since the Eden beam is super important, there was some ‘just in case’ defenses set up there too

[half shadow]

isle doesn’t get an element because they have grandpa swag

[lusty merlin]

They’re too cool for the gay color powers

[main smelt]

[untold notch]

squints at red and purple lights susfishously how did you become exist

[lusty merlin]

Oo i do like that idea, I also rememberd the final scene in the seeds concert of aurora. Soldiers trying to get into vault or the temple and all, so I wonder if it’s like to retreat maybe?

[keen shore]

There’s a theory (which I personally like to believe because it makes me happy) that they got red and Vault got purple. It’s more based around now Vault looks and process of elimination than anything, but still.
I also like to believe that Eden was associated with pure/uncolored (yellow) light, because the thought of there being seven lights and seven elders (twins counting as one) and each elder NOT having one unique light associated with them makes me very sad

[half shadow]

maybe means a mixing between elements? though you can’t really create red because it’s a primary color

oh very valid Salem

[keen shore]

I think even if the one type of light for each elder thing was disproved I would keep it in my headcanon anyways. The way it aligns so well just makes me happy, I think if it was not true it would be a missed opportunity

Because of your headcanons Fish, I can see you giving Eden red light and Isle pure (basically switching them around from my interpretation) if you wanted to

[untold notch]

I think that's the best kind of theory personally, the ones that are :)

[lusty merlin]

Oo you see Daleth having red light??

[keen shore]

YEAH I think it would be really interesting

[lusty merlin]

Full of malice (the chill malice)

[keen shore]

A lot of people characterize them as being against darkness entirely, but I think it would be cool if they were associated with the darkness light because then it implies they’re against light and dark being imbalanced, not just darkness

[lusty merlin]

OO I RLLY LIKE THAT ISEA

Also works well cuz I see there being natural darkness and light in a balance that was tipped

[sterile orchid]

Kind of not related but i wanted to throw in the shattering spirits, seeing how they're completely, pure, embodiments of the two sides of that balance that keeps the world functioning.

It may just be from the properties of the void, but i don't think ancient light or ancient darkness were trying to defeat each other or *any *of the associated creatures at all. The being of darkness, the very thing we're fighting, even gives us stuff!
I don't imagine you'd just give things away to your "enemies" (even if it's just stuff that makes them look cool) unless they're. straight up not enemies. just some people who are helping to fix the problem so that you can regain your stability as an element and hopefully, in some way, prevent it from happening again

[untold notch]

I don't think I've thought about the shattering spirits a single time actually, what is up with them

[sterile orchid]

they're literally just a representation of light and dark but also i assume that since the shattering guide can talk to us, they would be able to as well. it's weird.

[untold notch]

it's weird

[half shadow]

oh hey that’s neat!! I wonder if maybe they were one in the same at one point? and red and yellow mixed together is orange but if we stretch we could say it’s gold lol

something something spectrums of light and color something something

[floral skiff]

What purpose does darkness serve in the world of sky?

[untold notch]

edible

[eternal totem]

Imbalanced

[frigid tinsel]

Pollution analogy

[half shadow]

well, in a very real sense, you can’t have Light without Darkness. so it’s likely that it works similarly in the world of Sky. light doesn’t have any power unless there’s darkness for it to exist as the opposite of. the existence of it in the game as a sort of corrosive force is what many theorize to be a result of the elements Light and Darkness becoming imbalanced after the eruption of Eden, the war, or just due to time

[fossil field]

OOO there’s also a diamond shaped like that in the sliding race

[hushed steeple]

if we have to mediate to communicate with the Elders, are they actually alive?

[untold notch]

maybe somewhat

[hushed steeple]

Reading back up, and I’m a bit confused. Twins control wind? So the Elders control the weather?

[lusty merlin]

From prophecy murals it’s shown the elemental lights were gifted to the elders who we assume was from the chosen one basically

Twins are shown to get the wind element

[austere folio]

You know…. For a society who constantly and religiously wears masks, why do we see King without a mask and in clear agony in a vault constellation cutscene?

[lusty merlin]

I mean not everyone wears a mask: red and pink cape, whisper spirits, aurora spirits ect don’t have them. I guess to them a mask is like wearing a hat or no hat

For the constellation then

Oh and some of the prince spirits

[hushed steeple]

Could this spirit memory mean that SkyKids existed during the Ancestor Era? Or at least the end of it? I can’t find a good reason as to why an SKid would descend so early while the ancestors were still alive.

[lusty merlin]

If I remember I think that’s the chosen one I mentioned earlier, the one seen in the prophecy mural and maybe possibly the eden mural yet we don’t know for sure

[hushed steeple]

So could the Chosen One be of the first generation of Sky Kids? What would be the need for their presence during that time?

[lusty merlin]

I see them as more as like maybe a prototype personally, the first one as a test drive. Skykids were sent down to help free the spirits so maybe the chosen one was sent down to try and help save the kingdom early? Which failed

There’s a lot of blank areas so it’s hard to come to any conclusion really

[wild pasture]

Honestly, a question on my mind regarding that is... If they're landing there, does that mean Home doesn't exist yet? If so, when was Home created?

Obviously, it could just be a "muh mechanics" and "muh hub" kind of thing, but it's fun to think about sometimes.

[lusty merlin]

Yaya, id personally think home is more game mechanic wise, as kjtn said it was designed that way to be small and all to guide players to the other realms, but ya also thinking of it didn’t exist before is pretty fun

[frigid tinsel]

it's often thought that that skykid is the first skykid, a proto skykid, or the Chosen One depicted in the Cave of Prophecies murals. we're not sure why Chosen One was sent down during the ancestors' era, but it's possible that they had a different grand task for them than skykids nowadays

[hushed steeple]

That makes more sense. Thanks for clearing that up!

[hushed steeple]

Well, lore-wise, imo, it would make more sense for a proto SKid to land in one of the main realms instead of a far-away island like Home.

[cold sparrow]

It is implied that skykids can land elsewhere, too. Iirc, ||after the last prince quest you land not in home, but in the isle starlight desert, right?||
It is probably just gameplay reasons that at the very least our player skykids land in home and are supposed to wander through the realms in the order that we do

[lusty merlin]

Last prince quest you land in starlight desert, where you first met the prince

[floral violet]

ooh what spirit memory is that?

[cold sparrow]

That was my first thought but I wasn't too sure about that anymore.

[lusty merlin]

Ushering stargazer🎉

[floral violet]

tyty! gonna go find them now

[west atlas]

I'm not sure if TGC has made a post about this or not, but do we know why the rain hurts us and not the water in the forest?
I'd like to believe that the rain is from Eden or something, like acid rain irl, and it's toxic to the touch but once it hits a clean/cleansed ground it turns into water. Would explain why GW and Eden water is toxic, it's not a clean/cleansed land, it's far beyond repair

[tough coral]

HEY UH im writing a fanfic and i kinda need to know what the isle of dawn starting cave paintings look like. Cant find images or videos anywhere

[round parrot]

A little bit off-topic but I would just want to bring this up (aka food for thought)

If Eden was "overrun" by darkness, then why don't we see the red light? Could it perhaps be in another form ||(cough cough shards)||? Could Eden's corruption be too much for the little silly light?

[lusty merlin]

Yeah there’s no official explanation why the rain hurts but many think it’s for the reason stated above, pollution ect

[frigid tinsel]

You can go to the Isle of Dawn intro caves and look for yourself, they don’t disappear and you can rewatch the intro whenever

[lusty merlin]

Maybe the diamond and shard themselves are filled with red light? they are red and all

[tough coral]

i dont have skycotl on my phone rn and my switch is dead :( any1 at least know where i can find images

[lusty merlin]

I feel like if you look up on YouTube sky cotl intro it should be there

[slender sphinx]

does anyone have the prophecy mural on hand, or any murals containing the chosen one? im just curious and i haven't seen the cave of prophecies mural

[tough coral]

The only version i can find is OLD

[lusty merlin]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FQgj2Ii1A9p1kSly9rehvZU-fPsKtGazuEGvE3Od-Bg

Rememberd of my friends, salem, has a master list of all murals so this should help for the prophecy cave and the intro murals

[tepid veldt]

salem mural masterlist 🎉

[fossil field]

this is gonna sound a little silly but I was thinking that the events in wounded warrior’s (and the other remembrance spirits) memories took place outside of the repository of refuge.

in tea brewers memory we see them tip toe past what looks like a building/wall of some kind but there’s no ruins anywhere.

I was thinking that maybe this could support the wasteland retreating into vault theory cause wounded warrior had a shield with a sun emblem on it (if I’m not mistaken) and since they’re in vault maybe they were able to retreat?? idk

but if that were the case then why tgc would leave their memories in the repository instead of where they occurred elsewhere in sky??

[round parrot]

Yeah I sort of agree with the memories not happening in the refuge!

[atomic lava]

yeah these are probably the memories that were stored from them, like it shows in the repository's mural

[round parrot]

Or it could probably be the trauma they had stuck with them till death, thus only showing that specific memory when we relieve them

[fossil field]

oh my that took a dark turn

[tepid veldt]

yeah the funny flying game is surprisingly sad

[fossil field]

honks sadly

[round parrot]

in tea brewers memory we see them tip toe past what looks like a building/wall of some kind but there’s no ruins anywhere.

We see trees (and even a little bit of silly fungi) in that memory, further implying that the memory did not occur in the refuge

[fossil field]

OOOO I DIDNT NOTICE THAT THANK YOUUUUUU I wonder where it did occur then, maybe forest??

[lusty merlin]

I personally think it was still in wasteland, there were trees in wasteland seen in ark, plus the ones we see in forest are very long

[fossil field]

I wish we can see more of wasteland before the waste

[round parrot]

Well, forests (in general) do have differing species of tree /nm
The tree we see grandma and the assembly kids in, don't resemble the normal trees we see in the forest (at least I don't think so)

[lusty merlin]

Hmm maybe like during the war I can see rememberance memories taking place

[round parrot]

Mhm
Couldn't be happening anywhere/anytime else (process of elimination)

[lusty merlin]

That too but if that was the case then why would there be soldiers/guards in forest that tea brewer doesn’t trust in for the first place? Unless we want to consider the war took over the surrounding realms to some degree which I personally can’t see happening

[fossil field]

I agree with that, we do see a lot of war things in the memories (sorry I forgot to turn off ping)

[round parrot]

I may or may not have completely forgotten about the ruin we see in teabrewer's memory

[cold sparrow]

It could have been in the Golden Wasteland, before that area fell to ruin

[lusty merlin]

Yaya that’s what I think too, like during the war but not to the point everything was reduced and buried in sand

[round parrot]

(I would love an archeologist spirit ngl)

[fossil field]

now that I think about it wasteland wouldn’t really be able to take over forest without having to take over valley first, and I’m pretty sure valley wasn’t occupied by anyone else

[cold sparrow]

I don't think it was a war of conquest
Especially with how it's talked about in the news post for Remembrance, it sounds much more like an uprising in the population, a revolt of some sort

[lusty merlin]

I feel with the state of wasteland, it was valley who really took over it in a way

[fossil field]

those naughty twins smh

[round parrot]

can I send the Valley elder cope gif

[lusty merlin]

Yaya I feel like it started that way, possible workers strike for the conditions they were u see which got way out of hand, and probably eventually becoming a civil war

[untold notch]

oh definitely those did not happen there

[lusty merlin]

I got you

[round parrot]

AYEE
THANKS TAC

Speaking of Vault

Ever since the refuge area was revealed, I could most definitely see (what appears to be) some purple light altering (seen with the funni floating rocks)
Made me wonder; the (possible) overuse of purple light in the Vault has basically disintegrated various rooms little by little (taking them to who knows where), which makes it hard for us to explore the vault and even have to break open some entrances to certain rooms to have access to this part of vault
(By "various rooms" this is what I mean: #lore-discussion-spoilers message)

[wild pasture]

I always figured it was kind of... for lack of a better term, one giant "shared space", like what we have. Though, as it has a physical entrance, that theory is shaky, at best.

[slate saffron]

I once again post the Salem cup holders

[hushed steeple]

What news post, may I ask? I haven’t seen that yet.

[cold sparrow]

https://www.thatskygame.com/news/links-to-the-past-in-season-of-remembrance

Signs of the kingdom’s upheaval echo in the ruins you’ve seen while venturing through Sky. With Remembrance, we wanted to link these signs scattered throughout Golden Wasteland and prior Seasons to reveal more about a critical era in the kingdom’s history—one that has only been hinted at until now. Season of Remembrance returns to more intimate storytelling within the Vault of Knowledge, where four new Spirits have found shelter from the upheaval disrupting their lives in the kingdom they had known.

Through Seasonal Quests, Spirits share both their own emotional experiences of the turmoil in the kingdom,

it is never called a war, but 'upheaval' and 'turmoil'

[keen shore]

That’s a really good point. We see what seems to be soldiers on two differing sides, because they’re fighting in Wounded Warrior’s memory for example, so a war is an easy conclusion to make — but it could be a lot less organized than that

[cold sparrow]

the way i imagine it is that there was definitely some violent conflict (as can be seen on the battlefield during the concert)
but that was probably the climax of the whole situation
as mentioned beforehand, that probably started with protests of some sort, worker strikes or complaints about the pollution or all of the above, which lead to an increasingly paranoid and oppressive regime
guards patrolling the streets, enforcing curfews, trying to find dissenters, as these sort of things go
which probably lead to even more unhappiness and unrest

[hushed steeple]

Wow! Never thought about like that before. It actually helps me understand the memory of the Tip-toeing Teabrewer. I never understood why they were sneaking or who they were sneaking past. It also gives reason to the two guards posted by those walls. Interesting!

[hollow whale]

Bro can someone discuss krill stuff with me? I'm not a actual veteran sky player yet and I don't know if there are already existing information about them that has not been made apparent

[atomic lava]

as far as im aware, all we know abt krill is that they are corrupted creatures

[hollow whale]

Oh, improvisations it is then

[cold sparrow]

imagine if people started talking about how everything got worse since this king rose to power
our trees are dying, our water is poisoned
ancient prophecies claiming that this chosen one will lead to the kingdom's downfall

[earnest quartz]

Why are spirits so tall but sky kids so small, what kind of vitamins are they takin

[coarse moth]

I guess cuz sky kids are kids and most of spirits are seems to be adult(there is kid spirits like boogie kid that departs in around hour and his height is around max sky kid height)

[lusty merlin]

Plus different species, skykids don’t grow up to be ancestors and ect, so that’s just how they’re made

[coarse moth]

i guess sky kids also can grow adult but they reborn at eden to prevent it but i see no reason for them to prevent it so idk

[lusty merlin]

Yeah there’s no divinative answer if they can even age or not, or we just haven’t been around long enough. I’m personally thinking the first option since the game and devs do refer to us as skykids/sky children/child ect and never anything else

[lament rose]

Are the capes made out of fish scales because when i get lighted or healed idk, it kinda gives of a fish scale effects

[sterile orchid]

i always thought of it as feathers, most of us call them wings instead of capes (unless we're talking about the cape itself)

[eternal totem]

They're feathers yeah

[round parrot]

The recharge feathers change depending on the wedge shape (just to put it here)

[sterile orchid]

do they??

[slender sphinx]

ahh just now seeing this, thank you !!

[eternal totem]

I don't think so? The pattern may be altered by size (or flipped upside down,) the only cape I remember having a unique charge pattern is Kizuna's, which is hearts

Oh wait, Fortune cape too

[eternal totem]

(Ack sorry for ping)

[rain lance]

maybe it's censore or maybe there was something like civil war

[rain lance]

I have a small silly theory about the purpose of "crab soup" bonfire at the wasteland. What if to cleanse the creature from corruption it's necessary to expose it to high amount of light/high temperature and crabs in the pot aren't being cooked but purified. That's why they don't attack after we knock over the pot

[lusty merlin]

yaya that's what i think too! plus they don't have the black particles that most crabs have that attack us

[sterile orchid]

the sunlight has been blotted out from the ENTIRETY of wasteland (or at least the main parts of it) and that keep the crabs in the dark state until exposed to fire. if allowed access to sunlight (such as in Sanctuary) the darkness would burn if within them in the first place, and they're friendly again

i doubt those ones in the crab pot were for food, because... how would they survive if the purpose was to actually cook the crabs?

[rain lance]

yeah

than it makes sense why Pleadful Parent chased a crab in his memory

[polar terrace]

That eldes have name you now what name 🫣

[sterile orchid]

what?

[polar terrace]

Is alef that falle star well that teory

[sterile orchid]

[half shadow]

the elders “names” are from really old concept art and aren’t cannon. some people still use them but they aren’t real, basically

[frigid tinsel]

The Elders (plus the king & prince) have names based off Hebrew letters from concept development that are no longer canon, though the fandom sometimes refers to them as such:
Isle – Daleth (ד)
Prairie – Ayin (ע)
Forest – Teth (ט)
Valley – Samekh (ס) (they share a name, though the fandom refers to as Sah and as Mekh)
Wasteland – Tsadi (צ)
Vault – Lamed (ל)
Prince – Alef (א)
King – Resh (ר)

Though it seems the devs refer to the Elders by the times of day their realms represent:
Isle – Dawn
Prairie – Day
Forest – Rain
Valley – Sunset
Wasteland – Dusk
Vault – Night
Eden — Storm

[rigid iron]

I know the names are discouraged but boy am I glad they don't trigger skybot anymore

[sterile orchid]

huh
the names used to trigger skybot?

[keen shore]

I think it is pretty easy to see why most people prefer shorter names, imagine typing out elder of the forest each time

[cold sparrow]

I think Forest Elder is more used
and not that much to type tbh

[polar terrace]

Thanks

[rigid iron]

Yeah skybot had a couple responses like "huh?" and "who?" or just plain old Do Not Use Concept Names etc etc.
It also didn't like fanon names so I feel bad for anyone named Megan during that era. Imagine introducing yourself and skybot says you don't exist

[polar terrace]

I thinks is really who now but is okey a like

[rigid iron]

Skybot suppressing information from the public

[cold sparrow]

To be fair, that's probably also the reaction of any newbie coming into the community who is being confronted with these names

[sterile orchid]

^^^
probably why they decided to have those messages

[frigid tinsel]

Still, having a bot pop up every time someone says those names has got to be annoying. It’s like whenever someone uses the word emulate

[pastel brook]

Using emulators is against the Sky TOS, @frigid tinsel. Please don’t use or discuss emulators here.

[cold sparrow]

lmao

[sterile orchid]

yeah, that's not even a word exclusive to playing a game where you're not meant to

you can "emulate" something without it being about playing a phone game on pc

[pastel brook]

Using emulators is against the Sky TOS, @sterile orchid. Please don’t use or discuss emulators here.

[untold notch]

and if you mention Aurora skybot might chime in with a lyric from one of her songs

[sterile orchid]

that one's not as annoying though it doesn't ping you.

[untold notch]

fair fair

although skybot does just cold ping people sometimes

[sterile orchid]

i seriously hope there's a specific criteria for that i never meet because that would make me so mad

[queen pike]

hi!

[fickle wing]

god i remember seeing someone in gen named megan say hi or something and skybot went rabid when folks tried to say hi megan

[sturdy wyvern]

skybot on their way to single-handedly delete every person named megan

[sterile orchid]

I literally went through and looked for when that was

For the record, it started probably sometime in May of 2021, and then was removed sometime before 2 months later (the next time someone mentions a Megan)

[coarse moth]

There is any text wall about Mekh and divorce?

[lusty merlin]

Here

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

The Mekh divorce is basically a big inside joke and doesn’t happen ingame just so that’s clear

[coarse moth]

Tanks!

Thanks* 💀

[hushed steeple]

So, Winged Lights are just memories of previous SkyKids? I ||know that we collect them and deliver them to fallen Sky Kids in Eden to set them free,|| but it seems sort of redundant, because the cycle never ends.

[untold notch]

yeah its like that

[sturdy ridge]

I guess so. I like to imagine it as if you're giving those stone eden kids their memory back. Like each Winged Light is their strongest memory, so when you give them a back, you're giving them their memories back

[brisk python]

literally my favorite arc in the entire lore chat

[tepid veldt]

i love mekh divorcing people

[brisk python]

mehk divorce arc best arc

[untold notch]

truthfully i am somewhat scared as to where you first encountered this

[compact shale]

this is where it starts /hj

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[frigid tinsel]

2021

[untold notch]

someone saying whale whisperer doesnt exist im gonna throw hands

[compact shale]

Ah, here?
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[frigid tinsel]

That’s not the divorce we’re talking about

[keen shore]

👁️👁️

I just saw that… kicking and biting them

[half shadow]

Why THEM of all spirits????

[keen shore]

I think it’s because they don’t have a spirit memory and do not look distinctive in game. however, as I am deeply attached to whale whisperer I am heavily against the idea of them not being an actual spirit

[hushed steeple]

Hmm. So is our purpose to restore the kingdom or liberate captive Sky Kids, or both? Or is it unknown

[spiral finch]

Who's king and prince?

[round parrot]

Little note for Kash and Fay
Please do not ping people if they have a "don't ping/no ping" in their name.

[frigid tinsel]

characters depicted in Tom Zhao's concept art, mostly fanon characters than canon characters at this point

[spiral finch]

Ohh ok loll srryy

[half shadow]

they’re just a bald baddie!!!!

[keen shore]

One of my close friends gave them an Actual spirit design and I have been considering it canon ever since

[half shadow]

omg that’s so good

[untold notch]

...if i had a nickel for every friend named after a type of creature id have like two nickels

[frigid tinsel]

our explicit purpose is to rescue the petrified spirits and return them to Elder temples to ascend. whatever we are supposed to do in Eden is disputable but at this point it's so save our fellow kin petrified in stormlock

[granite tide]

my interpretation of sky is pretty simple.
The world was destroyed by a king who got mad with greed. He wanted to hoard the light and created the eden crystal. But as his greed grew, less light and resources were available and people began fighting among themselves, causing hatred to grow. And this growing hatred is the darkness we see. It grows and blooms like the flowers. So we, the children of light, carry the only hope of restoring a world lost. Our mission is to rekindle the hope, to burn away the hate and greed. We light people up with our hearts. And with eden, we give our all, our last hope to the fallen to survive. So we all are reborn with fresh hope to someday rebuild what we lost.

The elders are like guardians. They were the protectors of the people. Hence why we are bringing the lost spirits back to them after reigniting their hope and burning away the darkness that had consumed them.

but thats just my take on it xD its what makes sense to me.

[lusty merlin]

That is intersting, though for me the ruler didn’t act out of pure malice of greed and hate. Feel like they wanted the best for the kingdom but ultimately failed one way or another, I can’t really see them being the big bad villain who gets all the blame.

I mean with the diamond factories the elders had to agree to it too, or atleast some of them, they’ve made good and bad choices but I can’t see them as evil either for doing that either. Gray charater stuff

Ah also curious what made you come to the conclusion that their intention was greed and to hoard the diamond for themselves? From what I see ingame, that’s not the message I got at all

[granite tide]

Mainly from the kingdom having the biggest one. They were probably not evil, but got mad with wanting more and more until the big war happened and someone attacked the crystal, causing it to shatter.

The hoarding is from watching the Aurora scenes. You see a lot of spirits catching and caging light creatures. Also from the abyss quests. The wall paintings telling of capturing light creatures, keeping them captive.

Greed just happens to be one of the easiest “darknesses” one can get consumed by. So my mind is jumping to that.

And most wars usually have greed as a starting reason.

[untold notch]

the biggest what? sorry

[frigid tinsel]

I don’t really see those spirit memories depicting “hoarding” but rather the typical source of resource gathering needed in the supply chain

[lusty merlin]

Yay that’s what I think too, like they tried free roam by gathering light but probably wasn’t effective enough,which is probably why they switched to caging mantas for light and all

[granite tide]

in my eyes it started as that, but eventually became a battle of who has more.

but my viewpoint may change as i play more and dive deeper into the memories.

i am off to sleep now :3 There are a lot of interesting theories ive seen

[lusty merlin]

See you! And yeah I can see where your coming from, guess for me the greed aspect is more replaced with the natural need of demand that came with the diamonds. Like they’re practically the equivalent to electricity in the world, once you start you can’t go back and can only advance and evolve from there.

Guess that’s also why I see the starting of war possibly being a workers strike but that’s just speculating, like the factories probably destroyed wasteland environmentally and when they tried to fight back it definitely didn’t end well

[keen shore]

I want to hold them like hamburger

[half shadow]

new hot sky take: the king is inherently evil for establishing a monarchy 😤

very much unbased of them

but for real though, in my opinion I also don’t necessarily see the King/Chosen One as the sole villain in Sky’s storyline. all signs point to a much more systemic degradation of society that likely stretched on for a significant period of time. now, was the King’s (very likely) eagerness to apply darkstone technology to allow the kingdom to flourish the act that cascaded into a domino effect which lead to that systemic degradation? yeah, I think so. not to say the Elders aren’t absolved of blame either - we know at the very least that Forest was involved with the refinery of darkstone, and likely had a hand in the creation of power diamonds very directly. maybe not all of them agreed with it, or maybe they were suppressed by the King’s will. or maybe they were all equally down! however I do generally view the story as one where the ruling power made the chief mistakes, despite perhaps having good intentions, which is what I like to think the Chosen One initially set out to do. whether or not there was some kind of corruptive effect that darkstone had on them which lead to them to become more and more zealous over it, or if it was genuinely the power and greed getting to them, we don’t really know anything about their actual character and personality so it’s hard to say.

I like to think of then as an extremely flawed individual who made many bad choices and was overcome by them despite their good intentions at the beginning of their rule. they must have had a ton of pressure placed on them from the beginning, what with them being a literal messiah child sent from the cosmos, so they could very well have been a product of their environment in some way

[lusty merlin]

Yaya this is what I think too, wanting good intentions and the best for their people but even then they made crucial mistiakes!

[frigid tinsel]

Sky heralds an environmental message that wouldn’t be as strong if all the blame for devastation fell upon one guy, given the analogies to irl environmental decline.

[open sapphire]

[soft timber]

appears Idk why but the idea of some of these spirits having capes, ESPECIALLY GRANDMA, always make me wonder how good of fliers they are if at all or they just have them to help with everyday things

Grandma has no right having a cape other than to go zyoom

[tepid veldt]

iirc ancestors couldnt fly, capes were just cosmetic

[earnest briar]

Granny gets a 5-wing cape because she is based. She also gets to have the gender.

[coarse moth]

I guess they don't fly, they just use it as extra light capacity for them. Like HP upgrade but as cool cosmetic

[round parrot]

Iirc the stars on the cape of ancestors are a bug, though I don't remember TGC stating that they would fix it anytime soon

[coarse moth]

Oh... I thought they added it intented

[cold sparrow]

Spirits are shown to not be capable of flight in a couple of memory cutscenes
They need to climb a tower (in the Treasure Reef) or need to be caught after falling (Hermit memory)

[round parrot]

Or having the need to ride mantas (Warrior's memory quest)

[eternal totem]

Yeah, capes either had a significant purpose (Belonging's capes representing generations) or just for fashion

[soft timber]

Oop

[austere bridge]

was thinking about the assembly scouts and
assembly guide would definitely use try to wake up everyone at like. 5:30 am sharp with their bugle and follow up shouting an overly exaggerated “GOOD MORNING CAMPERS”
like they are definitely the kind of person to do that

[round parrot]

Omg assembly headcanons

[lusty merlin]

yeah it's a confirmed bug that happened when trying to fix another star issue with skykid capes

[lusty merlin]

Cool idea but since these are clearly damaged boats, I’d like to imagine broken boats that can’t be used anymore we’re used in decoration in prarie. Showing their roots while also upcycling them, only thing missing is the diamonds, which I assume would be used in the boats the old ones were replaced with

Like they’re too uniform to be done at random

[pastel brook]

im just vibing here bro

Are we discovering new areas because of the light we've brought back to Sky?

[meager latch]

HSJSJSK YES they absolutely would XD

[meager latch]

ooh never thought about that :0

[lapis plover]

Ok, so obviously the spirit memories exist primarily as a game mechanic. But are there any lore theories around how the memory is chosen for each spirit? Is it the last thing they thought of before they died? Is it the moment that shaped them as a person?

[lusty merlin]

Short anwser it’s unclear. It’s pretty inconsistent, some memories are fond, to embarrassing, to scary and sad. Some seem to be one innocent interactions with strangers to family when others are tied with death, war and other negative stuff.

Guess to me the memories shown reflect the charaters, first impressions and how we view them. You have sightseer with their kid and then you have tearful watching all their friends die and bury them

[untold notch]

it's possible those spirits had different things that were important to them, or were frontrunners in their memory

[lusty merlin]

yaya that too, im leaning more to front runners for just the variety because yeah some memories are important yet there's also ones where a spirit is doing their everyday life. Memories that would fall into routine memories that kind of blend together but that's just me

[pastel brook]

Are we discovering new areas because of the light we've brought back to Sky?

[frigid tinsel]

my take is that spirit memories form depending on where said spirit petrified. I have a longer explanation somewhere but not the time to grab rn

[slate saffron]

Agreed. I was under the assumption that the memory(ies) a spirit displayed were based on how important/formative said memories were to the spirit in question, explaining why spirit memories can range from hide-and-seek to "OH KING ABOVE EVERYTHING BURNS MY COLON IS SCORCHED BY THE WEIGHT OF MY SINS" & all that

you could even stretch it to say that most of the spirits who don't have memories relating to their death probably died relatively peaceful/without too much suffering, which is definitely comforting if not kinda debatable

[hushed steeple]

Hello, I'm four months old into the game, Sky. I saw many wonders of the world and thought about the way of life works here in Sky. I first wondered about the bramble. We know it reacts to our light and it would than start to shrink. After that, it explodes into small wisps or wax as the locals call them. I think it needs light for a reason like every wax because they are charged with the light. Thus, attracted to it. I think the bramble explodes when the wisps, wax, are forces to flow into the bulb in the ground. When it shrinks, its the transfer of wax towards the bulb. The bulb is presured with the wax and than explodes. I had a better thought weeks ago, but this is what I know about the reaction of the bramble bulbs.

If a diagram is needed, I am happy to do so to make the discussion more clearly.

[compact shale]

I'd like a diagram, please!

[lusty merlin]

Oo ya I like that idea of dark plants! I know there’s smaller sprouts in Exausted Dockworkwrs memory, so maybe the light we see could’ve been a photosynthesis but we actually see the afteraffects in a way. Physical wax and light and all when it’s burnt. Too much direct light makes the plant wither, maybe a metaphor for light and darkness?
Sky already has the theme of light creatures, winged light, children of light ect so I can see plant light being the same

[earnest briar]

I had the weirdest dream last night that Sky was covered in water instead of clouds and we had to harness the power of the sun to evaporate the water in order to progress between realms. And also Pleading Child was the last Spirit to die because everyone else in the Respository gave up their food and water to make sure they'd survive.

[tepid veldt]

i keep forgetting tsadi tuesday so happy belated tsadi tuesday
happy tsadi tuesday right under enzans very sad to think about dream 💔

[round parrot]

Happy early Tsadi Thursday then

[wild blade]

we were having a conversation about what the krill could possibly be, and i think i’ve figured it out? there’s this light dragon in the prairie that looks similar, structurally - maybe that’s what was meant by “corrupted”?

[slate saffron]

You are

You are not immune to propaganda

[cold sparrow]

Is this in reference to something?

[cold sparrow]

I like to think that she is just a storyteller of some sorts
perhaps an artificial one
we see the four spirits of the season channeling their energy into her, so she might just as well be a personification of their voice, to tell their individual stories to all of the skykids

[halcyon wren]

I think Aurora is a deity of sorts. Like the goddess of lost souls. All four spirits memories show them having a "lost then found" moment, which is narrated through AURORA's singing.

[hushed steeple]

She is certainly some type of goddess. The mural of her at the Music shop must be centuries old. The theatre group had no idea who she was. If living that long, she must be a goddess. What interests me is her power. She creates this field that transfers our conscious into one mind, Aurora. If someone were to create this, would be the host of that world. I wonder if she is the Goddess of Dreams.

[cold sparrow]

there's a mural of her at the harmony hall?

[lusty merlin]

I’d like to personally think with what rooty says is her being a sort of story teller. I see the songs she sings to be true but her herself is simply showing the past to us. Plus with the mural the same silloute was used in auroras seasonal announcement,so I’d like to think it was just to bring up hype. If she was a goddess, there would be sooo many more hints like with megabird sprinkled through the entire game, but the only refrence to her is only see in harmony hall. Which is actually closest to the coliseum where the season happened.

[cold sparrow]

either way, I don't think that the devs would intend for a collab real life personality to be something as significant as the deity that created the world
and if so, they would make that part much more clear in one of the scenes we get to see

[lusty merlin]

Yay I agree, I feel if they did there would so much more buildup and hints to push the narrative of that

I feel like why so many think of aurora as a goddess was the eyes of a child sequence and floating through orbit

[hushed steeple]

I think you two are right. I don't know why I thought of that. Im sorry for being wrong.

[lusty merlin]

It’s alright don’t worry! Sky’s story is very opened ended so there’s a lot of differing interpretations of the story, just to me with everything I stated before is why I don’t personally see aurora being a goddess being true

[cold sparrow]

I think that sequence is meant to make us feel loved and protected (that scene along with the song always makes me think of this quote by William Makepeace Tackery: “Mother is God in the eyes of a child.”)
perhaps this scene is even meant as a nod to the megabird image, but I don't think Aurora is Megabird... more like, in this moment she represents Megabird in the story she is telling

[pastel brook]

I run from the liars, the fuel on the Trial of Fire

[lusty merlin]

Oo that’s an intersting idea! Megabirds always been there in the background in orbit, hell even in office but I think that’s just a nice reference. You really only see them when you look up so it would be cool if it was an analogy for that

[hushed steeple]

The blue colour is supposed to be orange, sorry. This is the diagram of how the wisps (wax) react towards candles inside a darkness plant.

[soft timber]

This gives me Super Mario and Kirby vibes with the floating water

[slender sphinx]

i like this idea

[grim horizon]

are skykids two people or one person? or two facets of one being?
when we ascend, our spirits break out of our bodies to orbit.
once we return to home after the journey to orbit, we are back to our regular selves. this leads me to believe that even though we may "die", we are not like the spirits (who were formerly, living and thriving members of sky's past civilization). we are probably higher beings than the spirits. but that's just a theory.

keep in mind, we have both the skykid's spirit and the body that houses that spirit. two things that make up one skykid.

[grim horizon]

IS THIS A REFERENCE TO CURE FOR ME

[lusty merlin]

I think salem gave a great theory on how winged lights are memories if I’m correct? Which could also be why there’s winged light scatters through the realms. Though for me the ascent cutscene is so vauge that it’s hard to too tell, idk why I can’t personally see them being two facets

[grim horizon]

i'm so lost as to what winged lights are

also, the child that we hug in that dark space before we ascend, many ppl have said its alef
but then, when out skykid is at a certain height, that same child will reciprocate and become that same height
so are we hugging the "light" side of ourselves or is that alef, suffering in an eternal void?

[cold sparrow]

a theory that I like is that the spirit's forms that we burn away and - by extension - the skykids 'bodies' we find (and break out of) in Eden are not their bodies, but more a... crust of darkness that has formed around the shape of the spirit/skykid, trapping their light inside

[grim horizon]

well the darkness encapsulates us when we die but then, what im wondering is, how does it then become possible for us to break out of that after we've already 'died'?

[cold sparrow]

RV B

[cold sparrow]

(I apologize for my bunny)
because our Skykids are obviously no organic beings as we know them from our world
our skykids seem to largely consist of light and memories, and we are being revived with the help of whichever skykid comes after us and gives us some of their WL to give whatever little bit of our soul and memory is left and trapped renewed energy/light so we can return and ascend

[grim horizon]

wdym comes after us

like, who ascends next?

[cold sparrow]

Eden is implied to be an eternal cycle of

• Skykid wanders towards Eden
• Skykid 'dies' in Eden/loses all their WL and petrifies
• another Skykid comes afterwards, sacrifices their WL to free a petrified Skykid
• Skykid loses all their WL and petrifies

I believe that our own Skykid, likewise, is trapped there until some other Skykid comes along and frees them

[untold notch]

you should look up the ship of Theseus

[half shadow]

i’ve always assumed the skykid we find in the void after ascending is a fragment of the King/Prince trapped inside the Eden diamond wasn’t there something about how the animation is named prince hug or something or was that fake) which adds into the theory that skykids are in some way connected to the King or created by fragments of them that split when Eden exploded. it’s also why I think the memories of the winged light are specific memories from them, and we are either so similar to them we can absorb their memories or somehow linked in a spiritual sorta way

i don’t have the full brain power to explain the entire theory rn sadly

[frigid tinsel]

guessing this is the upcoming season's symbol. certainly the prettiest season logo I've seen by far

[untold notch]

people are saying it looks edible but I feel like it would just poke me in the mouth

[quick jasper]

looks like little candy bits. it’d be sweet i think

[frigid tinsel]

I'm fond of sucking on metal, not eating it

[lusty merlin]

Intersting that it’s silver

Well that explains it

[frigid tinsel]

So the moon might be involved next season

[untold notch]

tales of lossssssss and fireeeeeeee and faithhhhhhhhhh

[steady furnace]

It looks like it would have the texture of a sweet tart, perhaps

[desert bobcat]

i want to come back to the Aurora goddess thing

maybe she was the goddes of dreams like someone said before, or just a little goddess not as powerful as megabird, the goddess of music, maybe that's why she sings and have a mural at the harmony hall

just a goddess of a little niche of people

[tepid veldt]

it looks like one of those formations of earrings people get on their ears, i like it

[modest gazelle]

I came here as well to ask about this, in the end of vault of knowledge we see this image on the constellation. Any theories for this elder? Some people I've seen them calling it King/Queen of Eden. I'm not sure anymore. What do we know so far?

[cold sparrow]

Aside from concept art, which has incidental relevance to canon at best...
What we know is what you see in this mural

[modest gazelle]

I see, that's very interesting! Do you think we might find out someday?

[cold sparrow]

Not unlikely, but that is ultimately up to whatever stories the devs want to tell

[modest gazelle]

I love theories a lot!

But Fr whenever I come across this picture , it gives me goosebumps! Look at it's face , it's giving me chills

[modest gazelle]

WOW!

[frigid tinsel]

btw don't ping me, says so in my username

[cold sparrow]

(have you considered adding this emote to your name? 🔕 might be easier to spot than all text )

[frigid tinsel]

would people know what that meant?

[cold sparrow]

if you keep the 'don't ping' tag, sure
and we've established these bell icons in another server i'm in and they work quite well there I think

[untold notch]

I think most of the problem has been that people don't know how to turn it off

[frigid tinsel]

It’s so easy to turn off ping in replies and yet

[marble lynx]

For me, Aurora is a Light messenger (Megabird's assistant) created by the Megabird to guide the sky kids like the ferryman (Daleth the Isle Elder?), but reincarnated as a human

[frigid tinsel]

I mean, cmon, do you really need to ping someone to say “wow”

[cold sparrow]

some people just aren't aware that other people don't want to be on the receiving end of a built-in discord feature
(I still recommend dropping some feedback into discord's feedback board about being able to disable personal pings on one's own side)

[untold notch]

I think Aurora is just a vehicle for the stories of the season, it's spirits, and the creatures

[marble lynx]

There should be a setting that's not allowed anyone to ping though

[untold notch]

unfortunately discord is not good at these things

[marble lynx]

I used to complain them deleting emotes so this won't be a problem to me, I will give them feedbacks

[uncut pond]

It looks like a weird croissant and a bunch of cookies to me

Season of Snacks. We'll finally find out what the ancestors were cookin

[marble lynx]

I WANT THIS

[tepid veldt]

how does belonging guide really make our dinner find out next time on…never

[round parrot]

I am still sticking to the hc that those little wax balls are baby/newborn butterflies
Thus by extension, granny's buns being made of newborn butterflies

[cold sparrow]

Season of Feast wait no

[spark swift]

that's a season?

[desert bobcat]

elders have names?

we know names of some elders?

[round parrot]

Fanon names at this point
-Daleth
-Ayin
-Teth
-Sah and Mekh
-Tsadi
-Lamed

Though, (some) devs call them by the realm's setting, such as:
-Dawn
-Day
-Rain
-Sunset
-Dusk
-Night

[desert bobcat]

which one of the twins is which?

[spark swift]

Those aren't official name, is it?

[round parrot]

Sah is and Mekh is (iirc)

[uncut pond]

They aren't official names

[desert bobcat]

interesting, i like how people name characters, do those names have any meaning?

[frigid tinsel]

the first set of names are derived from Hebrew letters used in old concepts that many fans nonetheless still call them by. technically the Valley Elder(s) name is Samekh, no differentiation, but some refer them as how Myst stated
(was meant as a reply but forgot whooops)

[uncut pond]

They come from old concept art

[untold notch]

their names are obviously valley and elders,

[cobalt palm]

Sun, and Set

[spark swift]

uhhhh

[uncut pond]

For a good second I interpreted this as Valley and Elders for some reason idk what's wrong with me today

[spark swift]

idk if that would be good enough lol (forgot to turn off reply ping, sorry)

[untold notch]

conveniently that ws my intent

[frigid tinsel]

wdym "good enough?" it's a name /gen

[cobalt palm]

dawn
day
rain
sun
set
awesome
night

[untold notch]

Doritos

[cobalt palm]

Dusky doritos

[uncut pond]

sad

[cobalt palm]

OMG wasteland is actually a giant guacamole dip
It all makes sense

[spark swift]

it's coming together now

[cobalt palm]

Time to close lorechat, we're done here

[frigid tinsel]

the war

[round parrot]

silly orange light

[desert bobcat]

i think rain is a really good name for forest elder, it fits so well with her (i'll say her, i see them so fem, but its a big strong lady, i like her design a lot)

and i forgot to get ping off, sorry

[cobalt palm]

Meh I'm good with pings, it's fine

[round parrot]

But.. gender isn't defined by a person's body type..

[frigid tinsel]

every character in Sky canonically uses they/them pronouns cos they're agender. it doesn't matter what they look like

[desert bobcat]

i know, but i really feel forest elder is a she, or at least that they go by she/they ( my headcannon)

[untold notch]

pronouns are strange beasts

[round parrot]

Maybe except for prince
Probably why he got ejected from the kingdom

[desert bobcat]

you mean little prince?

[untold notch]

white people confirmed non-canon to sky 🎉

[frigid tinsel]

sometimes I feel he/him vibes from Rain, idk that suits him quite nicely

[uneven hearth]

For me most of spirits/elders looks genderless

[frigid tinsel]

I mean, granted there is no proper way to look nonbinary and/or genderless, however the devs really got the character design down to make a lot of people look at spirits and go "gender."

I've seen the cisnormative folks who can't accept that nonbinary people exist fight over some spirits' gender, it's amusing

[untold notch]

i should give all the spirits the most out there neos possible, xenos even

[rustic glen]

funniest thing to watch, I remember the chaos when Crackling Canoneer appeared during Abyss

[desert bobcat]

i feel that daylight elder goes by bingus/bongus

they girlypop

i feel like daylight is kinda chill about everything

[round parrot]

Just a note, please don't ping people who have a "don't ping" in their nickname

[cobalt palm]

Did you notice they are all vault hairstyle but shaved in different ways, therefore all night

[frigid tinsel]

I think they're wearing headscarves, just like Night

[desert bobcat]

in spanish every spirit has a male/female pronoun, cause of how we write

(we give gender to almost every word)

and crackling cannoneer is a male(but we know they is nonbinary)

[uneven hearth]

Some languages too

[rustic glen]

I'm spanish, I understand

[cobalt palm]

Mostly the romantic languages, so all around Europe

[desert bobcat]

that's why i didnt understand at first that they are agender, cause in spanish they have gender

[rustic glen]

Didn't know that! I have my game in english so I couldn't know

[cobalt palm]

I guess theres the difference between the gender of a word and the gender of the thing it describes

[rustic glen]

yee but things like professions and jobs have a gender depending on the gender of the person.

Professions like canoneer, hunter and even whisperer could be femenine or masculine depending on the gender of the worker. Most of these words do not have a gender-neutral alternative sadly

[untold notch]

and i mean if you're in a language with no neutral alternative then it makes sense that thats how it goes

[round parrot]

tbh since they are (technically) dead, why would they need gender

[cobalt palm]

Just spent too long trying to find an example, but insect in French is apparently masculine, but you can certainly get female and male (and a miriad of other gendered - biology is weird) insects

[rustic glen]

pronouns: de/ad

[uneven hearth]

Interesting that (for example)in Russian crackling cannoneer is a woman

[desert bobcat]

in spanish is a man

[frigid tinsel]

Spanish is one of many languages with grammatical gender and lack gender neutral options. I have seen "elle" and "-e" as a gender neutral alternative, but as a neopronoun and suffix, it's taking a while to catch on.

the thing about grammatical gender is that it does not have to correlate with an entity's actual gender identity. while humans often use the grammatical gender that matches their gender identity, even that isn't true in all cases. for instance, in Spanish (as you may know), a group of women/girls will be referred to as a plural feminine, say "vosotras" for this example. however, if even one man/boy is present, then you use the plural masculine "vosotros." however the inverse isn't true. there's many who consider that unfair. either way, referring to them as "vosotros" doesn't mean those women are suddenly men.

likewise, when you have objects that don't have a physical sex much less gender, say a table, they will have a grammatical gender, in this case "la mesa." however, I would not say that the table is a woman, nor would we conjugate table to somehow refer to it as a "masculine table." what even would be a "masculine table" or even a "feminine table?" it's just grammatical gender, not inherently reflexive on the entity being referred to.

there are also objects that are stereotypically associated with certain genders that do not share that grammatical gender. perfume is considered a woman's item yet in Spanish is conjugated as masculine: "el perfume." cologne is considered a man's item yet is conjugated as the feminine: "la colonia."

and, as the chat is now realizing, different languages who don't have gender neutral words give spirits different grammatical genders. Spanish Cannoneer is masculine, Russian Cannoneer is feminine – I think that was deliberate on TGC's end to use different grammatical genders per language they translated to point out how language and gender are social constructs thus fallible and liable to change

tl;dr – grammatical gender ≠ true gender, TGC says screw cisnormativity

[desert bobcat]

do you think spirits when they where alive had gender?
i dont mean male or female, but their own kind of genders, as in mesopotamia they had 3 genders, in ancient egypt the same, 3 genders
and in some locations of the world they had maybe 6 genders if im not mistaken

[uneven hearth]

Even if Russian/Spanish have genders in names this doesnt cancel the fact that spirits and elders are nonbinary

[round parrot]

There really isn't any proof saying that they did have gender but we can't say that they didn't.

[frigid tinsel]

no, their society was genderless. the "they lose their gender upon death" thing is more of a joke

[cobalt palm]

We don't see any evidence ingame of gender roles in any of the memories

[desert bobcat]

i dont like the idea of gender roles, is kinda a stereotype of what a person of a specific gender can and cannot do, i just dont like it

i feel like the people of the kingdom of sky didnt think of gender as we think it is, that's why they didnt care of gender (then being agender)

[cobalt palm]

It seems like even the clothes, robes, pants etc. Are more fitted to their societal role too, like scholars and builders wear more robes, but soldiers and competitors wear more close fitting clothes

[marble lynx]

Most of the sky cosmetics are unisex

[frigid tinsel]

all of them are if you’re not a coward

[uneven hearth]

how people see gender in clothes.

[frigid tinsel]

socialization 😔

[desert bobcat]

i just dont wanna use "feminine" clother/cosmetics, i dont really like them on myself, but i think many of them are so cute

[cobalt palm]

You could even say that of the hair and "hair accessories" in the masks, just because something looks like a beard does not mean it was masculine or feminine in the spirits culture, masks seem to have a role of their own (birds for performers for example)

[desert bobcat]

i just realized that both performance season and rhythmn season spirits have bird masks, but with a different style, maybe it has some meaning for both twin guides (owl hair and penguin hair twins)

[cobalt palm]

Dreams too

[round parrot]

birds are just really cool

[desert bobcat]

dream guide i think has the same mask as rhythmn guide

or maybe a really similar one

[frigid tinsel]

I mean, if you don't wanna wear certain cosmetics cos you don't like the "feminine" or "masculine" connotation your culture carries with them, then that's fine. however do be aware that gendered clothing is also a social construct. I, myself, don't like wearing "feminine" stuff, though I've been open to having my skykid wear "feminine" cosmetics – usually while cosplaying OCs. they don't make me less of a man if I do. really, that's your personal decision.

ancestors would not deem their clothing "feminine" or "masculine" since their society was genderless. as Maelstrom notes, ancestors' clothing choices seemed to depend more on utility or cultural customs and Ash noted once that animal masks denoted the wearer's profession.

[cobalt palm]

Sorry, I meant the 3 dreams spirits who are performers, all have bird like qualities

[austere bridge]

thinking about performance guide again...
and how all of the performance crew masks have pointy snoots

[frigid tinsel]

thinking of hair – the Western world considers long hair "feminine," however many indigenous American cultures consider long hair "masculine" or absent of gender entirely, associating hair length with power and prestige.

[cobalt palm]

All represent a breed of penguin too

[desert bobcat]

i know, is just a me thing, i dont have many seasonal cosmetics and not so much time ago i completed prairie constelation, so i dont have many ways to dress

[austere bridge]

wait what
i see emperor penguin in perf. guide but what about the others
all the pengu jokes makes sense now

[uneven hearth]

I dont see in owls any gender

[cobalt palm]

Does anyone have the penguin breed theory pictures to hand?

[fickle wing]

every bird has At Least a little crumb of gender

[round parrot]

Silly birds for different types of performances (?)

[frigid tinsel]

you'll get some, what with upcoming season, days of [events], and travelling spirits. Assembly scouts are currently chilling at the end of Forest and you an grab their fits.
congrats on completing Prairie constellation 🎉

[desert bobcat]

maybe the bird also has a meaning, and what i mean with this is that i think performance spirits are like students of performance guide, and as we see every spirit has penguin masks is means of who taught them, who's their teacher, or maybe is just a they thing, maybe the just like to use penguin masks to give a cute connotation to being students of the guide, idk

[untold notch]

animal masks tend to denote profession, birds are performers while post (rabbit) was a former manta racer (im unsure which job their mask relates to)

[frigid tinsel]

I know Ash confirmed around the end of the season of Performance that the Performance spirits, as Performance guide's students, modelled their masks after their tutor. just those masks were incomplete.
wonder what their masks would have looked like if they had lived to graduate.

[untold notch]

dang it al now im sad

[desert bobcat]

maybe the way the job is, rabbits/hares are kinda fast when running, and a post person kinda has to go fast to send mail. and the same for racers, are fast, and birds have distinctive calls of their own, maybe meaning their own way to express themselves

[desert bobcat]

poor spirits, i would like to see them too

[frigid tinsel]

I was looking for something else but relevant

[untold notch]

ah, it was from racing, neat

another neat cosmetic detail that i find hilarious is mellow musician's cape is just a banner from the village of dreams, and you can find the post they stole it from

[frigid tinsel]

yea, Ash said that the Performance spirits made their own masks but they weren't complete cos they never got to graduate

[cobalt palm]

The saddest of lores

[desert bobcat]

i liked to see that maskmaker spirit idea somewhere, maybe also in valley, as is like a pretty centered realms, where ancestors of every realm maybe went to look for a best future

[frigid tinsel]

every once in a while someone comes in here like "are all the ancestors, since they're spirits... dead?" and we're like yea everyone is dead, welcome to Sky

[uneven hearth]

About stereotypes maybe in russian there is cannoneer is a woman because of the stereotype that long hair is feminine

[cobalt palm]

||stay tuned, that's all I'll say for now||

[untold notch]

itll happen eventually

...probably

[cobalt palm]

We have a candle maker spirit

[fickle wing]

sticking them in a microwave and watching them spin inside through the glass

[round parrot]

YES

[cobalt palm]

From prophecy there is definitely power in masks, as they are the most prominent thing in the trials

[tepid veldt]

i think theyd break the spinning microwave plate
did i turn pong off im sorry

[round parrot]

Like this perhaps?
||I am so sorry for the loud audio||

[cobalt palm]

If only you could hold out a candle while still in that pose

[round parrot]

Hmm
Challenge accepted

[frigid tinsel]

mate got twelve wedges

[desert bobcat]

i love T-rex arms stand, is so cute, and sometimes an autistic trait

[uncut pond]

I think it's worth mentioning that there already are fairly popular games that use elle/e in their spanish translation
Apex Legends for example, not long after the character Bloodhound was confirmed as nonbinary, changed the spanish translation to use elle/e for them
If something isn't catching up, you can always try giving it a little push

[round parrot]

YEAH SAME
Such a silly stance for silly skykids

[frigid tinsel]

Chimesmith is an autistic icon

[fickle wing]

@ chimesmith. Autism upon ye

[desert bobcat]

is there any spirit that's confirmed neurodivergent(autism, ADHD, etc)

[untold notch]

all of them

[rigid iron]

None are confirmed that I know of, but many have (not necessarily canon) hints that suggest they might be, or like chimesmith have aspects that neurodivergent people relate to

[frigid tinsel]

not confirmed but some exhibit traits of neurodivergent and Ash's TS hints sometimes imply that they are

[desert bobcat]

but not boogie kid right?(sorry, is the only hint i read, i didnt know there where hints until someone told me that there was a hint for boogie kid)

[cobalt palm]

Sanctuary bookworm is my spirit animal Spirit?

[frigid tinsel]

I think half the Sanctuary spirits are coded neurodivergent

[round parrot]

~~I have a link to all TS hints (for their respective spirits) if anyone wants it ~~

[rigid iron]

Some I can remember off the top of my head is that apparently rallying thrillseeker can't understand sarcasm and jelly whisperer hyperfocuses

[desert bobcat]

the thing's that you say like hint are thing you maybe see in the spirit's memorie or as also said in the TS hints tight?

or maybe also in the emotes themselves

[cobalt palm]

OMG how are you still haunted?

[frigid tinsel]

also one of Rallying Thrillseeker's newer TS hints is that they can talk so much about a topic that they run out breath

[untold notch]

the silliness

[desert bobcat]

info dumping, i love it

sorry for the ping, i didnt think of who i was answering

i went into auto

[frigid tinsel]

Ash gives TS hints in #general-sky-discussion, but there's a website collecting all of them here: https://sites.google.com/view/skyhints/home. unfortunately whoever runs it is a coward cos they don't record the fursona hints

[untold notch]

they don't? that's unfortunate

[fickle wing]

fursona hints are CRITICAL to figuring out what a character is like

[desert bobcat]

rabbit mask, bird masks and so right?

animal masks in general

[untold notch]

need to compile all the zodiac hints to see if you could play (and win) a game of Homestuck with spirits

[rigid iron]

Jelly "can talk for hours about something they're interested in" and Rally "runs out of breath when talking about things they love" and "gestures animatedly when talking" so I like to believe the two of them do this at each other talking about mantas and jellyfish

[round parrot]

THERE WAS A FURSONA HINT??? 💀
(may I see it? genuinely curious + respective spirit who had that hint)

[frigid tinsel]

@keen shore do you have the fursona TS hints?

[rigid iron]

Hold on I have some of them in my vault

[fickle wing]

all i can remember from the top of my head is that air prophets is a hyena

you can pry the idea that the prophets watch the lion king cause fire suggested it and whenever the hyenas show up air points at them like ‼️‼️‼️ out of my cold dead hands

[rigid iron]

I'm going by season. Stretching guru has a crane fursona, greeting shaman has a wildebeest fursona

[low spindle]

I need to know this information, so I know which spirits to draw with fursuits

[round parrot]

Good for them!

[desert bobcat]

this is literally a TS hint:Hyperfocuses easily

from jelly whisperer

[rigid iron]

Scarecrow farmer has a red panda fursona, and there was a gif that went with that that I don't have atm

[untold notch]

tragedy, the ts hint website doesnt have zodiacs either

[rigid iron]

TS website is inferior to my vault I don't look at it

[round parrot]

Based

[fickle wing]

actually wait with the whole neurodivergent thing sprinkling in this hc i hit jelly with my autism beam n all but i feel like they’re the type of fella to have chewlery like look this is perfect for them

[round parrot]

I quite relate to Rally in some hints, seeing them
Nvm me and rally have so much in common

[uneven hearth]

I like the fact that Rally calls everyone bro

[frigid tinsel]

you could imply Rally has a manta fursona. I mean, they're literally wearing a manta suit

[round parrot]

Mantas are cool, I don't blame them

[lusty merlin]

THEY TEHY ETEHY ETHEY THEY RAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[rigid iron]

I misremembered, it was a picture

[round parrot]

||If I was a spirit, my fursona would be a peacock ||

[frigid tinsel]

having fun

playing in the snow

[low spindle]

Who says you have to be a spirit to have a fursona

[rigid iron]

Shush and Laid-back have a strange mishmash of joint fursonas that include spiders and dinosaurs and such that I don't think I can or should pick apart

[round parrot]

These spirits have based fursonas, good for them 🎉

[desert bobcat]

Rally thrillseeker:Will often stop to admire beautiful things

ADHD? easily loosing focus

[keen shore]

stretching guru crane, scarecrow farmer red panda, prophet of air hyena, indifferent alchemist markhor, greeting shaman wildebeest

[fickle wing]

OO MARKHORS

[frigid tinsel]

thank you so much <3
I knew I could count of you

[lusty merlin]

air prophet as a heyena actually makes alot of sence when i think of their mask

[untold notch]

I would think the prophets fursonas have something to do with their masks but ig not

[fickle wing]

these guys r so cool i love their horns n coloration

[rigid iron]

Shushing light scholar and laid-back pioneer share:

• Cyclosa conica (spider)
• Endothenia hebesana (moth)
• Ghost frog
• Puertasaurus

[lusty merlin]

OOOOO ID LOVE THOSE HORNS AS A MASK NOOW

[keen shore]

Iirc air’s was just because they have a really loud enthusiastic laugh

[rigid iron]

So glad they decided on joint custody of the fursonas in the divorce

[round parrot]

And I think it is because they are a rock climber (I am not 100% sure if that correlates to being a hyena)

[fickle wing]

love loses (they got joint fursona custody though)

[rigid iron]

Love these two spidermothfrogdinosaurs

They are also both the Summer Cup (ATC) if you count the first result

[uneven hearth]

Is the fire prophet a lion?

[frigid tinsel]

Yeee

[lusty merlin]

yaya!, though their mask is pretty close to resembling the fortune dragon, but i think thats just the ears

[frigid tinsel]

Trial of Fire is associated with courage and courage has a lionsona

[uneven hearth]

I wanna see a capybara mask hehe

[rigid iron]

See my vision

[lusty merlin]

HUDGUDYHKDKDU

[frigid tinsel]

Oml

[rigid iron]

Ykw I'm dropping this here too before I go take my nap

[round parrot]

Actually
Those are really good points ngl

[untold notch]

this is smart but I refuse to believe skybot is doing this on purpose

[pastel brook]

Nice one!

[round parrot]

Imagine if the moon part is Prophecy guide's halo and the 4 stars are the other Prophets

[tepid veldt]

wait, its all prophecy?

[untold notch]

always has been

[keen shore]

I wish…

[pastel brook]

What is Skykid hair made of? Is it candle wax? 🕯️

[hushed steeple]

someone told me to ask what megabird is here (cause I heard of it recently and have no idea) I need all the juicy details

[rocky brook]

I just noticed it from your message and I'm curious too

[fickle hawk]

Why did I never think of this

[hushed steeple]

yeah I remembered it because I'm in orbit and I saw a constellation that looks like a giant bird and thought :0 is that megabird

[rocky brook]

I saw some people say they imagined it was clay (I think it was the sketch chat?

[eternal totem]

Their hair is made of light

[frigid tinsel]

skykids' physical bodies are thought to be made of clay or some other hard, magic-induced material while their cosmetics like their hair are light. you can note that their capes and cosmetics don't cast a shadow but their bodies do

[frigid tinsel]

Megabird is the so-called god of Sky, may or may not be analogous to the Light, a huge amalgamation of light and light beings in space, hardly seen in game aside from when descending from Orbit after the end credits (first image). the name Megabird comes from Tom Zhao's concept art (second image) who depicts Megabird as light itself.

[hushed steeple]

:0 that's so cool thanks I love megabird now

[rocky brook]

WOAH

[frigid tinsel]

hey, don't ping me, says so in my username

[rocky brook]

Sorry-

[frigid tinsel]

anyways, the characterization of Megabird is really up to you because there's basically zero in game. I differentiate the Light as the collective of all ascended light while Megabird is the Light's conscious, kinda like a hivemind without the deleting individual autonomy thing. it is within Megabird's best interest to protect and oversee all light in the world but I also don't see Them as domineering. I mean, They can't because They're up space, so They send down stars to do things for Them – see: the Elders, Chosen One, and us the skykids

[hushed steeple]

woahh that's so cool I'm glad I asked about it :0 I will now be nose diving into sky lore never to be seen again /j

[eternal totem]

Watch out of the concrete

[hushed steeple]

will do my nose is important to me

[shrewd mantle]

I always thought it could be based off clouds. Bc of how fluffy and flowy the hair is in-game

[shrewd mantle]

Just a heads up. If the username has “don’t ping” in it. Then it means don’t do a direct reply to the message

[hushed steeple]

ohh really? someone told me it just means you should turn off the @ (it must be that because they didn't tell me off for pinging or anything)

[rocky brook]

Turning off the @ works too

[frigid tinsel]

no, ping is not replying to messages. however, the ping is turned on automatically when you reply to messages, so be sure to turn that off when you do reply.
I don't mind replies to my messages. I just don't want to be pinged.

[hushed steeple]

ohh ok thanks : D I thought I did it right so I got confused when I got corrected hehe

[shrewd mantle]

My mistake. Gosh I was waiting long to send this

[hushed steeple]

it's ok : D it's actually good because now I finally learned how replies actually work lol

[pastel brook]

What do you think the realms foods taste like? I'm a bot, so I can't eat, but I like to think about what it would be like.

[floral skiff]

Was the isles of dawn not a place worth staying?

[frigid tinsel]

perhaps there were permanent residents, but it seems more to be the entranceway to the kingdom. sort of like an Ellis Island for newcomers, in this case people who were migrating to the kingdom.

[broken pendant]

guys

consider the following
#news message

[uncut pond]

That crescent moon with the stars really just started appearing everywhere and we never noticed huh

[flint bolt]

LORE CHAT, WHAT IS THAT SYMBOL IN NEWS ALL ABOUT?!?!

[uncut pond]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

Jokes aside, it's likely a new season

[frigid tinsel]

with so many of yall wanting to eat the new season symbol, I'm imagining skykids sucking on their season pendants as though it was chewlery

[pallid jetty]

new sky cereal, to be sold in thatskyshop

[quick jasper]

season pendant chewlery…. id actually be kinda interested ngl

[uncut pond]

the symbol literally looks like this

The crackers are a placeholder because I couldn't find the specific kind of cookie I had in mind but hopefully my point still comes across

[frigid tinsel]

didn't know you were French too /j

[round parrot]

If you think about it
The crescent could be a banana, while the stars are starfruits

[elfin pike]

what does the symbol look like?

[frigid tinsel]

it's in #news
also don't ping me /nm

[uncut pond]

That's probably the better interpretation, but I thought a croissant would be funnier

[broken pendant]

aaaaaand ive been spoiled on the name of the new season

[lusty merlin]

Hey just so you know if that’s the name of the season then that counts as beta content, and as per the rules beta stuff isint allowed outside beta channels till it’s released into live. Could you edit or delete your message please?

Like fully edit out the name, spoiler tags don’t count even according to skybot

[broken pendant]

it is too late for me

[crimson minnow]

They would taste like something

[lusty merlin]

HELPP

[broken pendant]

actually me rn

[floral skiff]

What's the most agreed upon interpretation of the shattered crab memory?

[cold sparrow]

the associated poem is

Entranced by strange brilliance
And swept into its snare
A familiar glow that hid
Nothingness in its wake
this poem seems to largely describe the nature of darkness plants

We see in various places (Hidden Forest and one of the Flight quests) how darkness plants tend to lure in and trab creatures of light ("Entranced by strange brilliance, And swept into its snare")
In the memory, we see seemingly uncorrupted crabs (no darkness barnacles) and floating darkness plants
in a similar vein, this memory could show how darkness came in (in floating seed/spore-like grows, kind of resembling dandelion seeds), and when it reached the crabs, darkness took them over too

not sure if that is the "most agreed" interpretation, if there even is such a thing, but that would be my analysis and interpretation

[hushed steeple]

are spirit mantas, the ghost of mantas?

[uncut pond]

They are the memories of mantas, as they're called "memories" in-game

[hushed steeple]

What captured these memories and how? Is Sky technology that advanced to where we can physically connect to these mantas? The whole ordeal of memories in Sky is sort of confusing to me.

[half shadow]

The memories are captured in memory lanterns, which you can see in the Vault and are the main focus of the current Season of Remembrance. The lanterns are created by using darkstone, which is powered by light energy collected by draining light creatures, most notably mantas.

I’d say that while the technology is advanced in Sky, the reasoning behind it is simple: it’s just magic!

[sharp lichen]

Test

Time to backread

[frigid tinsel]

That’s a lot of messages, you don’t have to

[keen shore]

I’ve been doing a lot of thinking, and although I really enjoy the season, I’ve come to think that season of prophecy might not be canon to the lore

[lusty merlin]

Wait actually?? You’re a prophecy moth so this is something

[west basin]

Interesting…

[untold notch]

I love you but please turn off your phone or give me a dall. I know this isn't your heart

[sharp lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/an-emoji-disintegrating-in-pain-gif-22507163

[fickle wing]

honestly in the same boat with this like
ok listen i absolutely adore prophecy (fire proph sweep) but like. Compare it to some of the newer ideas we’ve been presented with and introduced to in seasons coming after it and it sticks out like a sore thumb

[sharp lichen]

Extremely epic embed error

How so??

[sharp lichen]

I’ve assumed that they were simply spirits who were trapped in the Eden Diamond

[untold notch]

nice ping reply to a 4 day old message

[sharp lichen]

We see a little bit during the Switch trailer

[untold notch]

I'd imagine they would have more humanoid forms if that's the case

[sharp lichen]

Chris Mclean

[austere bridge]

I do not know what you are talking about but I take your word for it

[sharp lichen]

My theory is that Aurora is sort of a Chosen One, or at least a more successful version of it, who is basically a messenger of the Light/Megabird

[untold notch]

so aurora is the King?

[fickle wing]

not exactly sure how to word it properly since i just got out of a class but there’s something about prophecy that’s just. ????? like have a similar “dreamlike” quality to things such as the ascent in vault with later levels of it and starlight desert in general
not to mention the fact we enter the cave through a portal instead of a physical entrance
like. Do we even know if the whole prophecy deal has solid grounding cause for all we know the idea of finding a sorta chosen one figure might be bogus it could just be like. Idk a normal guy

[sharp lichen]

Season of Enchantment upside down??

[austere bridge]

ah heck nah somebody spilled the cauldron

[fickle wing]

ngl taking a small break from big lore stuff kinda gave me a bit time to reflect on what might be considered canon n not

[untold notch]

aw man I was making apple juice in there

[sharp lichen]

Not exactly, more like a different version of the “Chosen One savior” prophecy

[untold notch]

so the king was never the chosen one in the prophecy, but aurora was?

[sharp lichen]

Not really, more of a successor

[untold notch]

I get you the red and purple lights were a real deal breaker for me

[fickle wing]

maybe aurora is a reincarnation of megabird sent down to be the chosen one