lore-discussion-spoilers

[lusty merlin]

I mean the elder masks and wing buff system is right there

[sharp lichen]

Ain’t no way I’m going through Eden to get red candles when I can just do shards instead

[lusty merlin]

Coward, I’d prefer 15 ac a week than just 4-6 a week /j

[sharp lichen]

And then you have to get the WL back…

[lusty merlin]

It’s therapeutic honestly, plus if you want more wing buffs/ levels that’s really the only way to get them

[sharp lichen]

This is more #gameplay-discussion-spoilers, but wing buffs are so cheap that you don’t really need to go to Eden to get them

[keen shore]

I think that, given that the game directly tells us that this is just the beginning after our first journey through Eden, saying that the realm is only meant to be experienced once by new players is a reach

[sharp lichen]

Not meant, but should.

Insert the #lore-discussion-spoilers message

I think Shattering partially fixed this, but it needed to have done more

[wild pasture]

The whole game is a cycle. Birth, death, rebirth, death. Eden is just one step on that continuous cycle.

[sharp lichen]

In a lore sense, this is true. Gameplay wise? Not sure

[keen shore]

Eden is awesome, why would you only want people to do it once??

[sharp lichen]

I mean people can do it to help out new players and enjoy it, but many people only go to Eden to get the AC rewards and nothing else

Why must such a cool place be turned into just another place to grind?

[uncut pond]

I mean isn't that true of every realm? Grinding is pretty much the only thing to do in the game unless you're willing to socialize so all realms are affected by the grind

[cold sparrow]

You can also replay it for the experience and journey
It's up to you how you approach the game
I like to do Eden not weekly, but every once in a while - yes, in part for the AC, but also because I enjoy the struggle and subsequent flight, I just don't want to burn out on it by grinding AC there too often

[untold notch]

the first time I tried to go into Eden I lost like 4 light and quit and looked at the wiki lmao

[sharp lichen]

Again, #gameplay-discussion-spoilers, but there’s far more to Sky than just grinding

[half shadow]

honestly some people have trouble with eden, some don’t, it’s hardly an objective thing that eden is either the worst possibly implemented feature of the game or eden is the best most rewarding repeat activity ever. my first time through eden was awesome and really got me emotionally during orbit just due to how i had been sheparded the whole way with another moth i met in vault where we then met a more experienced vet going through eden who helped us out. now i like to do that to help moths. i have problems with the part of the game too though, like i have with all other parts of the game

i gotta say tho i do long for that concept art of eden that had the giant king figure throwing lightning bolts at the top of the mountain…. that would’ve been SO cool

[half shadow]

i swear there was this one piece of concept art that showed the progression through Eden to Orbit and had the top of the mountain made into like, a massive body that was the King. different from the one of him throwing lightning. i’ve tried to look for it a few times but haven’t had luck on zhao’s website and i’m wondering if i just hallucinated it or something, but it’s easily one of my fave pieces of concept art that makes me go “arghhhh i’m Mad this isn’t in the game”

[cold sparrow]

nah that exists

all from zhao's gallery

[rigid mural]

Isn't there a trope about kings sleeping under mountains, waiting to be reawakened in times of needs ? Because I do like linking the Sky king to the Eden mountain as more than just a monarch and their throne

[hushed steeple]

Is it bad that I kinda see krills as cats

hear me out
Cuz, in the golden waste land in the 2nd stage/area, the krill looks at the manta ray and kills it. Kinda like a cat and a mouse
🧍‍♂️🫷😔

[quick jasper]

krills look like my cat when she loses the bug she was chasing. which is also moths often. guys i think i have a krill cat

[half shadow]

OH THANK YOU YOURE A LIFESAVER

[half shadow]

yes!!! honestly that’s the vibe i got when i first saw the eden constellation for the first time. like just look at it https://preview.redd.it/7n5gwd5xsgv71.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=05abbe0d96ce454bf977a3d70b820e1c91615f86

the figure is HUGE and perfectly encased in the top of the mountain

it send as a link which is gross, here:

[rigid mural]

OH GOOD POINT

[half shadow]

shoutout to the best mural in the game, i got legitamently creeped out and had chills the first time i saw it. just….. the weird uncanny realism of the figure compared to every simple depiction of the ancestors you see in all other murals, the fact that one of the stars makes it look like it has an eye, the weird open mouth accepting SOMETHING, maybe consuming it? it was one the coolest reveals in the game

iirc when you reveal it there’s also some fun eden noises that plays, all i remember is thinking “oh my god it’s screaming”

[sterile orchid]

oh god that last bit. the most terrifying take on this thing i've ever seen

[haughty talon]

I saw this mural as a throne near which the person in kneeling and eating baobun something. The throne idea re-enforced by presence of pillars next to the throne. Again idea reinforced when I saw the King's 👑 place in the starlight desert... Singular throne with pillars in the background.

[half shadow]

the secret revealed: the king REALLY loves bao buns

but that’s a good point about the throne, i hadn’t considered that!

[uncut pond]

Tbh it doesn't look like a throne as much as it looks like the Eden temple/castle

[sharp lichen]

If you take the little protrusion between the head and the arms as a lower lip it looks like they’re screaming

[half shadow]

yeah it’s so creepy. i love it

[sharp lichen]

Ancestors have mouths, confirmed

Honestly it looks more like a collar

The circle thing baffles me, what could it be?

[uncut pond]

I mean, there are light orbs in isle

They're pretty easy to forget tho lol

[sharp lichen]

True

I don’t think it’s a mouth, nothing in Sky has them, not even Aurora and TLP.

Now that I think of it, not a single thing ever created by TGC has ever had a mouth

[half shadow]

i mean…. what else could that be? the face is turned to the side, i can’t imagine it’s anything BUT an open mouth

i think it’s implied ancestors have mouths, there are cups and bowls and stuff presumably for eating things

[sterile orchid]

skids eat as well. they kinda just shove the food into their masks but it goes somewhere

[earnest briar]

we just stuff it into our mask and it gets absorbed like we’re a vat of melted chocolate and the food is the fruit and nuts and stuff being put in to add to the chocolate

[half shadow]

i actually don’t think they can eat, or moreso i don’t think they have a need to eat. anything that’s “eaten” by them is something made out of pure light like the little buns, which they burn, and with the tea set items i still don’t think they’re actually eating. they’re just pretending to, like kids pretending to pour tea and drink it when having a tea party

[earnest briar]

ignore the food analogy I’m eating ice cream cake

[half shadow]

oh man i wish i was you

[earnest briar]

Mom got a coupon for Dairy Queen so she got an ice cream cake from there and good Megabird it is delicious.

[past fjord]

I do not think it is a mouth, I think it is a collar. Because if it is a mouth, it should have a neck and a longer chin ;-:

[sharp lichen]

It looks like a collar of sorts

[wild pasture]

I was thinking it was a collar, too, or maybe some sort of full-head mask (like King Tut's mask).

[half shadow]

huh, I guess I can see it, I still think it looks more mouth-y myself. I feel like the collar would have some more detail to it if it was meant to be one, otherwise it’s just a weird looking spike protrusion on the neck part

[wild pasture]

Especially since it looks like it protrudes out the back of the neck, too. There's a little protrusion there, in line with the one in front.

[frigid tinsel]

It looks like a mouth to me, exaggerated cos of the artstyle

[half shadow]

stole this from a reddit screenshot, this is like right before it flares and you can see the outline a bit better

[sharp lichen]

Even still, no Elder, Ancestor, or Skykid has a mouth

[frigid tinsel]

They have no visible mouths cos they all wear masks or aren’t rendered with them

[half shadow]

true! i like to think of it as a stylistic choice, im hoping the animation can answer this question

[sharp lichen]

The animation project still shows them without mouths though

[half shadow]

well we havent seen one without their mask

[frigid tinsel]

They’re all wearing masks

[sharp lichen]

We still see maskless Ancestors and Skykids with no mouths

Is this going to be the new finger debate

[frigid tinsel]

Baud, you’re the only one asserting that they have no mouths despite ample evidence otherwise. Can we agree to disagree?

[hushed steeple]

Yeah, I think the collar makes me more sense. The pointed mask/face reminds me of Performance Guide and Penguin mask (aka my fave )

(also, my apologies if i pinged! forgot to turn it off )

[half shadow]

skykids have lil mitten hands ancestors had fingers

but yeah regardless of the ingame models I like to think that ancestors did have mouths, TGC has a clear artstyle with mouthless faces they usually do

[sterile orchid]

if we see a maskless spirit in the animation project then we'll have no need for a debate there's only a few in game (proud victor being the most obvious) that would have a chance at showing up and they're not even that likely of spirits to show

[half shadow]

i think any original ancestor would do frankly, the only ones we’ve seen from the trailers have all worn masks so if we get a scene of one without i think it would be pretty clear evidence

[untold notch]

I have a weird relationship with this mural because this is like the closest thing to One that's in the game but in this same set of murals is sunset with a concept art hairstyle so like. is it supposed to be like that or not

[half shadow]

i just made this doodle for no reason but please enjoy it. i promise i’m an artist

One just wants to show all their followers this cool ball they found

[half shadow]

oh which mural are you talking about? i don’t remember seeing a sunset concept art hairstyle but i might not have noticed

[frigid tinsel]

They ballin’

[sharp lichen]

Alasdair, what ample evidence is there that humanoids in Sky have mouths? The most you have is “game performance”, which is hardly a compelling argument. It’s not like mouths would’ve broken the game

[half shadow]

which side of history are you on: mouth truther or neck truther

[sterile orchid]

pretty sure mantas are the only creatures that are directly shown to have mouths and they're literally 2 triangles, a line, and a semi-circle with some vertical dimensions

[sharp lichen]

Yeah Skykids could’ve easily gotten away with a n64-style smiley face

[half shadow]

well my theory is that Skykids don’t have mouths or any discernible facial features other than their cute little eyes, but ancestors did have actual faces

[sterile orchid]

i don't really think they could? performance-wise, yes, but in terms of the animation it would look very strange

[sharp lichen]

It’s an incredibly important and useful neck spike for defense

[half shadow]

the King was known to charge neck first into combat

[untold notch]

the sunset art in this same cutscene, it's the sequence where they go through all the realms and their hair is Very Visibly not what it is in game

[earnest briar]

That would be adorable tho??? TGC give us smiley face masks pls

[sharp lichen]

They had their emo phase then

[earnest briar]

Have you considered they may have just gotten haircuts

[half shadow]

OH right that one! yeah i see your point there, i guess they didn’t think it was worth redoing or editing the cutscene huh

[sharp lichen]

There’s also the sus Isle mural, it’s possible that the murals are stylized

[sterile orchid]

i like to think it's just the way the ancestors drew them in murals so that it's easier to read

the elder shrine in the temple is also very simplified for both of them so it makes sense if it's all simplified so no one has to ask about which one of them is doing what if it "contradicts" older ones because both elders do the same things

[half shadow]

either way, i guess the eden constellation is the closest piece of evidence for Mouth Trutherism. all the murals are highly stylized and that does skew things, but i do think it’d be strange for a species of mouthless beings to give their king a big yelling mouth if they themselves don’t have them

ugh now im just wanting even more animation news….. almost half a year since the latest trailer

[untold notch]

the light awaits capes did so really I don't doubt it being possible

[frigid tinsel]

Ancestors are implied to need to eat and drink, which require mouths. Skykids also eat and drink sometimes by moving consumables to where they would have a mouth. They even chew marshmallows

[half shadow]

i’ve always felt like the skykids just kinda mimic eating sounds and then absorb the light from the fake food and then sit there like “i did it i eated :)”

[sharp lichen]

This may be a stretch, but-

Lots of food in Sky comes from light creatures or is directly related to light.

Skykids absorb light through their skin.

So, Skykids (and presumably Ancestors) “eat” foods by absorbing it through their skin

[frigid tinsel]

I don’t think skykids need to eat but I feel that physical objects can block light from moving, hence needing an opening. You’ll notice that when skykids collect pieces of light aka “wax,” it goes towards the whole in their chest if you stay still. That hole is basically their main entrance of transporting light in and out of themselves

[keen shore]

I’m a secret, worse third thing. Chin /j

[half shadow]

OH NO

[keen shore]

It’s like. I do not actually think it is a chin, it’s probably an open mouth. But my first thought when I see it is always Chin

[half shadow]

that’s the funniest option so it must be true

[keen shore]

you are so right

[sharp lichen]

I’m here in the shadows, discussing the actual fourth choice: Adam’s Apple

[pastel brook]

I know some secrets

well dont think about asking me!

[past fjord]

somebody kick skybot in this conversation, so I can reveal a secret

[ebon wind]

(the white one is skybot)

[royal delta]

Just gonna ask, during the part of the seed in aurora's concert it showed us the war in the golden wasteland. I'm still confused what were fighting against?

[lusty merlin]

Don’t know for certain, but we do know a lot of the soldiers were trying to get into vault, maybe for refuge? And since it seems to be ancestor vs ancestor,with mantas getting caught in crossfire and krill being a common enemy, that the war was a civil war between ancestors

[royal delta]

makes sense, though is that also the reason why the wasteland ended up like that?

[lusty merlin]

I’d say so, maybe when eden fell it also could’ve turned wasteland and starlight desert into sand. But I definitely see wasteland being destroyed from the war, which is a common sight of land whenever long battles happen, grass turning to mud and all

[royal delta]

true true, the ship in the other route of the GW temple probably was an enemy ship

[unreal apex]

I saw no weapons on that ship and it has a lot of cargo spilled out. Not sure it was a war ship

[lucid parcel]

ive typed this in general as well but what if the krills are an endagered species caus wethey only appear in goldenwasteland and ||eden|| and nowhere ele and those two places arent the brightest of places so i imagine they destroy an ecosystem to make it perfect for their living conditions adn thats also why there arent alot of mantas in gw its because its the perfect krill ecosystem and not the perfect manta ecosystem

[sterile orchid]

"enemy" ship does not exactly mean it's a war ship used in proper combat
cargo ships are a commodity during wartime to bring supplies to the bases near the frontline normally just talking about naval battles but since ancestors used ships to get basically everywhere i think it applies everywhere

[lusty merlin]

I can see an ecosystem imbalance happening for a lot reasons, one bing a big an analogy for global warming maybe considering treasure reef is practically underwater hence meaning sea levels rose by a ton

[lusty merlin]

I’m not familiar with the geneva conventions, but if they’re free to attack cargo supplies then shipwreck could’ve very well be targeted for that exact reason of just carrying cargo for the opposing side (rereading this I think I just repeated what your said in a differnt font mb)

[sterile orchid]

not very familiar with the "rules" of war battles (why would i need to be) but shipwreck is definitely just a large cargo ship - it's likely that whoever made it sink took everything they could fit in their own ships/bases and left the rest there because they have no use for it/battles got worse or away from the area and they couldn't retrieve the rest

[lusty merlin]

Yaya fair enough, and honestly it’s as good as you can get when trying to survive a literal wasteland

[sterile orchid]

I just want to mention how this message made me remember that there's a manta when entering the area with Graveyard. That gets eaten by a krill. And that made me sad because the behavior of it (flying in circles) makes me think it's lost, and it's very small which makes it feel like a baby

[brisk python]

stooooop that manta makes me sad enough as is

[unreal apex]

it reminds me of the one that leads/follows us through forest

[cold sparrow]

(this is not really a lore thing)
where do you got this from?

[sterile orchid]

please. stop. this is not only misinformation and not allowed in the server, but also unrelated to the chat it's being posted in

[brisk python]

either delete it or mods get pinged, your choice

[lavish dagger]

@sterile orchid show me the admin rules, I understand you want to become an important person here, but this does not give you the right to poke me 10 times in 5 minutes

[cold sparrow]

that's not a link to the source and tells me nothing
that said, this is not in the live version, and the hair cost afaik is very off from what the current costs are
this looks entirely fan-made

[brisk python]

i can just ping the mods so you can answer to them directly if you want

<@&600489743716712458> have fun

[sterile orchid]

good.

[weak shale]

thanks!

[brisk python]

thank you (sorry i didnt mean to reply ping )

[weak shale]

i love eating pings, so don't worry

[sterile orchid]

Thank you omi! that was frustrating

[brisk python]

very much so omi to the rescue

[sterile orchid]

they really wanted me to see that message reply with ping on and pinged directly

[brisk python]

moving on, i really really want more details on the sky animation maybe not another trailer as it would give away too much, but AAHH

[sterile orchid]

OOH YES ANIMATION STUFF i just want to see more creatures. i ADORE animals in real life and especiallly ones that are fake but based on actual things

[brisk python]

i swear if they show mantas being mistreated im gonna BAWL

[sterile orchid]

OH MY GOD?? SAME?? i will be the embodiment of "screaming and crying rn" but instead of screaming and crying it's. curled up in a ball, making a river of my own tears.

[brisk python]

I DONT WANNA SEE MY PRECIOUS SKY PANCAKES BEING HURT 😭

[sterile orchid]

i hope we see baby mantas
a whole flock of mantas & their tiny little babies would be so pretty

[brisk python]

GODDDD ID SOB BABY MANTAS ARE MY FAVORITE

[sterile orchid]

i wish there was a scene like Warrior in the aurora concert but we're sky kids among thousands of mantas i would be so happy.. and also literally sob if it was limited but that makes the memories even more special

[brisk python]

omg when we got to be mantas during warrior I was So Happy 🥺

[sterile orchid]

the fact that i get to PLAY as a BIRD and MANTAS during the aurora concert made it instantly my favorite songs ever and i am even more sad that i didn't have enough time to get something together for the wings or season pass.
on top of having my favorite cosmetics so far Aurora was also my favorite gaming experience i've ever had

[brisk python]

same,,,aurora really just. touched my soul in a way ive never experienced before and i am Not The Same

[sterile orchid]

you have no idea how much i wanted to cry, and how loudly i sang along to all of the surora songs when one of my friends told me he had the wings of aurora and took the whole group of us to the concert. it was such a rough day and i really needed it

we were waiting on the other two friends to get through the quests and i was like, actually breaking down by the time we got into it because i was so scared someone would suddenly get busy and i wouldn't be able to actually go.

[floral skiff]

Do dark dragons target unlit players

[brisk python]

eyes of a child man,,,that just. Hng

[cold sparrow]

questions about gameplay rather belong into #questions-and-help

[floral skiff]

Okay

[surreal pollen]

guys,a question about eden: what culture do you think that tgc used to recreate the transition of the soul to the afterlife?

[cold sparrow]

Journey's

[surreal pollen]

i mean the culture. i know sky is the little brother (or son) of journey

[sterile orchid]

the ancestor with their manta???? hello????? that made me so genuinely upset the first time i saw it and i'm STILL on the verge of tears every time.

[brisk python]

SAME HNGGGGG IT MAKES MY SOUL SAD

[cold sparrow]

genuinely, I don't think that moment in Sky is modelled on a specific culture, though I admit I'm not a scholar of all of the world's cultures and religions
I just don't hink TGC would want to associate one of the the core aspects of their game with a specific religion, culture, or heritage

[sterile orchid]

i've told you about my favorite little skrunkly Altair, and his connection with mantas and being my first sky kid character, made it even more sad because my silly little funny brain puts him in that image

[brisk python]

DHAHS believe me, same thing with some of my own chars 😭 either baby manta skid or my living manta rancher ancestor
you 🤝me
putting our chars into horrible situations bc funi

[sterile orchid]

i have about. 10 other characters all from different little stories of mine that are like that (but that's not exactly sky lore so i won't get into it)

[brisk python]

i wonder if we'll see the krill in the sky animation.......

[rancid cape]

Good morning lore chat ready for another day of barely getting any lore?

[wild pasture]

I know I'm late to the party (and I know this is probably the wrong channel) , but the Aurora concert was literally my first experience with Sky. I loaded it up, walked forward, and got the prompt for the concert. I thought "Hmm, okay, this just be the tutorial or something". Boy was I so glad to be so wrong. That concert... I was late, already two songs in (All is Soft Inside was the first I heard), but wow I was impressed. I am both mad that it was my first experience, because I didn't know the wings were both limited and the only way back into the concert after the season ended, and glad it was my first, because it was so stunning and beautiful. I went to that concert 8 times. I recorded it on my Playstation so I'd always have a memory of it.
I lived that concert in the far too few weeks I had before the end. I told all my friends about it. I told my family about it. I looked forward to seeing it again every day, even if I couldn't because I didn't have time or was too late and wouldn't make it to the next showing. I remember thinking as I played the actual game that the songs had to have been written for Sky, because they fit so well. With everything. The somber atmosphere with a dash of hope. The tragic fall in darkness with light ahead. The visuals matched so well with the lyrics, I was stunned that they weren't written for Sky.

Point is, Aurora concert is yes.

Sorry for the wall of text. Just... needed to say it. 🤣

[hushed steeple]

Kinda out of lore but really nice to hear about ! I love hearing people first’s stories in sky! And Aurora was such an amazing season for all of us

[sharp lichen]

We always have lore, just some facts are more hidden than others

If you want a truly cursed topic, let’s talk about the table (on level 2 of Vault in the 4 player door area)

[hushed steeple]

Can u develop how is it cursed?

[sharp lichen]

You have visited the very big table in Vault, right? Where the levitation spirit is, once you unlock the 4-player door in the second level.

It has chairs too big even for the spirits

[hushed steeple]

Yeah i have… never thought about it

Do you think it is related to how the weapons are too big for spirits in GW?

[sharp lichen]

Possibly

The only creatures in Sky that big are the Elders

But there’s 7 of them and only 6 chairs

[hushed steeple]

There’s no dawn’s elder face on eden portal right? Could it be? Or one elder has been banned

[sharp lichen]

True, we even see one of the chairs knocked over though

[sharp lichen]

Salem, your timeline thing is real odd to me. Why did you claim that the first 4 seasonal spirits and basegame spirits come at a similar/same time?

Their memories could’ve been petrified at similar times, but the actual date of the events could be different

[untold notch]

where's this timeline you're talking about

[sly edge]

I wonder if trees are extinct in the sky cotl universe

I noticed that the only trees we've actually seen in "full" are spirit trees.

The ones in hidden forest can't be confirmed to be alive or dead either since their canopy are above the clouds but it's quite suspicious that they don't grow beyond the cloud height either

[tranquil moon]

Pls ping me when you continue talking about this I am curious now

[sharp lichen]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

@untold notch

It’s good, but I don’t understand the specific claim that all base game spirits lived at the same time after the darkness?

Why wouldn’t it be before the darkness

I guess the main sticking point is that we don’t really know how long Ancestors lived for. We know they aged, but whether they actually died of natural causes is up for debate

Also, just because spirits have relations to other spirits doesn’t mean they took place at the same time

[cold sparrow]

the elderly (parent?) of the tea brewer's memory does seem to have died of natural causes, be it old age or sickness or whatever else that had them waste away

[sharp lichen]

That’s very interesting actually

[untold notch]

it makes sense that they all live at the same time considering the point xe mentioned in that same post of spirit memories having spirits from other seasons/basegame
additionally, this probably doesn't even account for the connections of flight spirits to other spirits (like basegame) that ash confirmed a while back

also a tangent, I've noticed this is like the second or third time you've responded to a Salem post from several weeks ago specifically to call it into question and I cannot help but wonder if you have other things to do with that time

[sharp lichen]

I can use my time as I please. I’m trying to piece together a timeline of my own and I’m trying to use Salem’s timeline as a reference point

[untold notch]

ah, I see. sorry if that was like an insult directly to your face

happy tomelineing ! that's not how that word is spelled

[sharp lichen]

It would make sense that most spirits lived in a time period of 30-50ish years with some exceptions for very early and very late seasons

[round parrot]

I think that is more of fanart than concept art
||How do I know? Resh doesn't have hair||

[cold sparrow]

artist: https://twitter.com/ixzhihuili

note that reposting other people's artwork is against this server's rules
doubly so, you shouldn't re/post other people's artwork without credit/source

[past fjord]

I don't even know where it came from

[cold sparrow]

then you especially shouldn't repost it

[past fjord]

I think it just looks cool

eh? I think you're living under too much rule, buddy

I am not even claiming the artwork was mine.

[cold sparrow]

it does, but a) reposting artwork without credit is not only against the rules, but (speaking as an artist) disrespectful to the artist
and b) posting it in this channel without source for where it originates gives it a false sense of authenticity which it doesn't since it's fanart

[rigid mural]

It's the rules of the server tho.

[cold sparrow]

speaking as an artist, this excuse isn't good enough
just don't
most artists despise their artworks ripped from their hands and scattered through the internet scrubbed clean of credit, with none of the attention and audience ever coming back to their own page

[past fjord]

I am an artist too, and I don't have claims over the artwork neither am I claiming it mine, I just send it here because I thought it looks cool

I do not mean to be insensitive, I do not know where the artwork belongs to so I cannot credit which belongs to.

[cold sparrow]

Then. Don't. Repost. It.
simple as that

[round parrot]

Doesn't hurt to try and find the artist who drew it then.
Google lens would be a suggested way to help with that

[rigid mural]

Not exactly lore but cursed thing I found a while ago, there's eyes under the eyelids of Aurora masks; reminds me of promo art on the app store for the concert where Aurora had proper eyes that weren't just dots

[untold notch]

is that the only mask that does that? I can't really check on account of I only have warriors and that one

[rigid mural]

I remember trying with others and it was the same for most if not all of them, though I could check rq

[rigid mural]

Same for all but Mindful Miner it seems.

Tbf it's likely just wierd clipping but it's still uncanny

[untold notch]

mindful miner looks like it has a hint of one but also What

[lusty merlin]

The bloom trees exist, I think those are the only alive trees I’ve seen. Trees can actually become petrified irl from volcanic ash which immediately reminded me of eden and the rain in forest I forget who brought it up first but I wonder if forest’s trees have gone through the same process

[untold notch]

worth noting that the orange light is chilling in forest and the orange light is Probably fire

[keen shore]

it came to me in a dream

[untold notch]

as it would

[hushed steeple]

Wait, I just got the point of hidden forest. Their leaves are technically ‘hidden’ by clouds. But in the animation trailer they show the leaves..?

[hushed steeple]

Is the ‘starlight’ referred to in the Dawn murals diamond power?

[uncut pond]

We don't know or have any way to know for sure, but "starlight" likely refers to The Light/Orbit or the light that comes from it, since that place is made of stars

[hushed steeple]

Ah, I see.

Few more questions. What are the Ancestors doing in this mural? They seem to be carrying something that resembles a sun.

Lastly, is it possible that there was a body of water, most likely a river, in this space?

[untold notch]

in what mural

[hushed steeple]

Sorry, I thought the picture sent. Odd. Here it is!

[untold notch]

I don't actually know the answer to either of these questions, but that does look like it could be a river

I'd check the switch trailer or animation trailer to cross reference

[cold sparrow]

neither of them show that spot too clearly to say either way

[untold notch]

that first one actually does - looks like a river to me

[half shadow]

they may be transporting light to Prarie for use in creating butterfly jars? or it may be metaphorical, as the Isle is the start of the pilgrimmage to Eden where they “follow the light”

or they could be the ever so mysterious patented Lightseeker Orbs

[warped holly]

~~ off topic but there was a mod ping here that i got notified for~~

[cold sparrow]

I don't see that
The closer I look, the more I just see hills and a cliff, but clearly no river

[eternal totem]

Yeah it's clipping, the Aurora masks give you lighter eyelashes on top of the actual eyelashes
Still looks weird

[half shadow]

i’m on team river too, i think it’d be cool

[hushed steeple]

It would probably be below on or at a lower level in the cliff. I don’t think there would be reason for a large, carved cliff without water. As always, I could be way off.

Are the tents and huts in Dawn marketplaces or villages? I also notice they have a lot of gondolas parked. That would explain the random broken ones we see in the sand in current gameplay.

[sharp lichen]

Fair enough

[sharp lichen]

Keep in mind previously we see a wooded area that seemingly is in Isle.

This area has children running around, and as we all know, children are incapable of buying stuff (/j), so it’s probably a residential area

It seems like the tent area is a marketplace

[cold sparrow]

realistically? probably not
but in this case, I think game design came before realistic environment design
the idea of this space was to force your skykid up the peak and fly off to reach the temple

[wild pasture]

If we take environmental change into account, it looks more like that whole area was ocean before, almost like the oceans in the Sky world were higher and receded long ago, after carving that cliff and the peak we climb up to. Not sure if/how that fits the lore, though... Like Rooty said, it's very possible game design came first, like in a lot of situations.

[sharp lichen]

There’s one thing that’s bothered me about Isle, and it’s the so-called desertification of Isle

It’s not like Isle being a desert is for gameplay reasons, after all the Switch Trailer highlights it

desertification almost always happens when there’s an increase in human activity, yet Isle being uninhabited causes it to turn even more into a desert.

It couldn’t be any Eden shenanigans: Isle’s so far away that not even shards come

[untold notch]

the ancestors there were affected by darkness though, it's possible it had a hand in the desertification of isle as well as wasteland

[wild pasture]

It's possible the the Sky world has a similar tilt as Earth. The Sahara desertification was entirely natural, caused by the gradual tilting of the Earth and change in its orbit (and many other complicated processes).

[sharp lichen]

I guess so, But I do wonder what’s the time period between the end of Ancestors and beginning of Skykids

[untold notch]

Ushering Stargazer's memory suggests the two periods overlap, if only slightly

[sharp lichen]

I meant the current generation of Skykids

[untold notch]

oh idk lol

[sharp lichen]

It does say “centuries”, but it’s still confusing how some realms were left basically obliterated (Isle) and some were untouched (Prairie, Forest)

[earnest briar]

Maybe some just recovered better than others? Isle has not a lot of light/Light Creatures apart from some butterflies, meanwhile Prairie has an abundance of them.

[sterile orchid]

i wouldn't exactly say that the towers in bird's nest being like, barely standing is "untouched" and all of forest's trees are petrified, dead, all of the treehouses connected are at least almost falling apart

it seems like Isle becoming desert was a natural thing. the reason we don't see the buildings, but only the boats, is likely because said building are shown to be made or of something like hay, wood, and some type of fabric for quite a few. i imagine absolutely none of those would stand up against much if there were a sandstorm, especially if there were no one around to keep repairing anything

[sharp lichen]

There’s also Valley which is basically pristine and has not that much light creatures

Where are all the buildings, all the trees?

[untold notch]

avalanches?

also, where does it say centuries again?

[sharp lichen]

What avalanches were there in Valley

-it says it in the Switch Trailer, at the very beginning

[untold notch]

I'm suggesting that avalanches were the reason there's so few buildings and trees visible on valley, I would think we all know well that we don't have to see something for it to happen

[sly edge]

Ah see, the animation takes place in the era before the stars fell, so technically the world was still as alive as it could be

But for the game (which takes place post-starfall), there's not a single living green tree leaf in sight as far as I'm concerned

We do have potted plants but idk

[untold notch]

I figured the forest was hidden because of all the clouds but idk

[sly edge]

true but i find it weird there isn't a single tree anywhere else either, it's as if they're just...dead

[untold notch]

probably because they are all dead, that's kind of a recurring theme I've noticed

[sly edge]

They got ratioed hard by grass and moss, they're everywhere 💀

[wild pasture]

Grass and moss are a much less complex organism, so it makes sense it would grow back first/survive in the event of a cataclysmic event. Simpler organisms can adapt and grow faster than complex ones. Maybe trees will start to recover eventually, if the darkness could be beaten back.

[earnest briar]

TGC please give us a Season of Healing where we help life return to places like Isle and Forest

[sharp lichen]

Kid named Enchantment:

It’s still unfortunate that not even grass grows in Isle, even in centuries worth of time it would heal back eventually

[earnest briar]

Interestingly enough the only grass in Isle is near the temple. Maybe that implies that Dawn has just enough energy left to keep a small bit of their realm alive?

[remote skiff]

the valley is really interesting to me, because think back to the sliding race intro. it says race and the city gates will open to welcome you

but as you slide down to the coliseum, there's hardly enough buildings to call it a city. given the floating platforms/gazebos with diamonds in the flying, i'd say it's likely that entire buildings could be held aloft with battery diamonds

so that sparse skyline may be because of the energy crisis...

[half shadow]

i don’t really feel like the exact environmental degradation, like the desertification of Isle, needs to be explained in exact scientific detail due to the real presence of magic in the game that effects the environment

it is interesting though. i’m curious to how it happened because at least in the switch trailer we see a pretty direct comparison between the past and the present. i think it suggests that like, it’s been potentially Thousands and Thousands of years

[half shadow]

i believe this too! i feel like another reason for the overuse of power diamonds would have been to create floating buildings and cities in the most opulent parts of the kingdom

[sly edge]

Come to think of it there don't seem to be any (fully) organic creatures in Sky are there?

Crabs, and ancestors seem to be made of stone or a mix of it. We skykids are hybrids of light and stone. Creatures are made of light and maybe(?) A bit of something else? And krill are corrupted light creatures

As for Oreo and the office cat, I'm unsure, but given the universe they might be light creatures too

[half shadow]

i’d say that they are “organic” for the world they’re apart of

[sly edge]

That's fair

Oh yeah, is the office canon to the story or is it just an embedded like little easter egg/ homage zone

[lusty merlin]

Yeah it’s just an Easter egg

[polar terrace]

Want see alef one season

[wild pasture]

A lot of people would argue it is canon. I'm not one of them, lol. I think it's just an Easter egg.

[untold notch]

I would not say very many people argue it's canon

[inner plover]

i saw smth that each realm is a stage of life. can someone explain it to me please?

[frigid tinsel]

Based on this pic that TGC gave at a presentation once

[sterile orchid]

Storm/Eden is also death. obvious reasons

[frigid tinsel]

Also this timeline in the Office

[sharp lichen]

If you’re funny enough Alef is in every season

[polar terrace]

Hahahaha no we’re lol only one ahhahahahahahahahaha loco

[sterile orchid]

if Eden is technically considered Alef, then yeah, Alef's in just about every season because you can see Eden from practically everywhere

[lusty merlin]

Except wasteland

[polar terrace]

I meet one season

the only thing we see is that it is in the stone and that's it

[sterile orchid]

it would be very nice to see them somewhere that's not solely, very vague murals in too few places to consider it proper canon

[polar terrace]

I don't see the laughter of what I said 🙄

[polar terrace]

Yess is canon I thing y believe 💁🏻‍♀️💅🏻🤷🏻‍♀️

That it 💁🏻‍♀️

[untold notch]

I hope the king explodes it would be funny

[lusty merlin]

Like a piñata or somthing

[sharp lichen]

I hope we get a 135 page book on the king’s divorcical adventures

[brisk python]

and it all stems from mehk.

[pastel brook]

rule number one: always give me peas

[sharp lichen]

Are you saying mekh secretly orchestrated the high divorce of wasteland and king elders?

[brisk python]

oh absolutely 😌

[half shadow]

i do think the king is inside the big fun diamond

i talked about it in here once but now i fully interpret that wacky final shattering memory with what looks like a king-shaped thing plummeting upside down into the top of the diamond that it’s actually showing a reflection, like how the reflection works in the void space when we die where we find the child of light. so on the inside tip of the diamond the king is there. i don’t have a good image of the diamond on hand right now but if i can i’ll try to illustrate what i mean

[sharp lichen]

Yeah

I also think the Void of Shattering is kind of like a spiritual manifestation of the Eden Diamond

Not exactly the King… just a remnant of them

[untold notch]

as a dimentio archetype i like to think the king was never real for the sillies

[sharp lichen]

What does the King have to do with Dimentio?

[untold notch]

it doesnt necessarily, i just have a divine obligation to be silly and a trickster

[sharp lichen]

Oh wait you were the one who compared yourself to Dimentio

Does that make me Mr. L

[untold notch]

does it?

[native galleon]

ok wait what

[tepid veldt]

sunset are the divorce people, you didnt know?

[sharp lichen]

Here’s the lore:

For some reason the “Mekh :” has been a divorce icon, I guess it’s because they’re 2 split Elders

Then there’s also this ominous marriage https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/632004389137154048/919822305306214460/unknown-2.png

[native galleon]

ive never heard that but thats bc im relatively new and tend to just lurk in here for fear of saying something wildly off base

[sharp lichen]

#lore-discussion-spoilers has some really esoteric stuff, don’t worry

||cucumber sandwiches ||

[austere bridge]

like that one time we figured out that skybot was the one responsible for the destruction of the forgotten ark

[native galleon]

lmao

[untold notch]

purely curious, how do you mean off base?

[native galleon]

like something that completely goes against some existing canon i didn't know about and makes me look ridiculous

[untold notch]

there really isn't a whole lot of canon to get wrong, it's always worth a shot

[tepid veldt]

pretty much what astral said, anything can become a good conversation so dont be nervous

[pastel brook]

can I join in?

[tepid veldt]

you, less so

[pastel brook]

What was the Ancestor form of currency?

I'm shifting into maximum overdrive!

[sterile orchid]

omg skybot no

[sharp lichen]

Uhhh candles

[untold notch]

i think bird salem hd something about that somewhere but i cant recall exctly

[native galleon]

pointing spirit would be like the richest guy in the world

[keen shore]

Ly has really neat thoughts on how Sky works economically but not what form of currency (if any, I think they would have used something) they would have used

[uncut pond]

I'm like 4 hours late but I still wanna add that Eden can also represent birth just like isle (or isle can represent death like eden (or both could represent both)) depending on the perspective

[keen shore]

YEAH i remember you had a really interesting write up on that! I think about it whenever I ascend Eden

I think because of the mechanics of how their world worked, namely that when someone died they turned into a spirit & still stuck around instead of just disappearing, Sky culture probably has a much more similar outlook on birth and death than humans would be used to. Skykids, obviously, would too. Idk if that link was intentional, it probably is, but it’s really interesting seeing that reflected in the realm symbolism

[half shadow]

liv if you’re still here i’d love to hear your ideas, while there are some things that a lot of us generally agree upon, there’s also a ton that we disagree on and with sky there really aren’t any concrete answers so please feel free to chime in!!

[untold notch]

tasty nuance

[tepid veldt]

im 20 minutes late but i agree! ive noted before that the gate you go through to rebirth has the same shape as the isle portal, perhaps hinting at the fact that you’re going back to your place of origin

[half shadow]

my take is sky doesn’t have currency they were all based and communists

[past fjord]

I have found something while looking through the murals in prophecy cave

It seems like they are fire, water, air and earth gemstones or light stones that they must have discovered or even forged and they are taking it to the king

and the elders were also here,

wasteland elder: fire,
triumph twins: air,
forest momma: water,
prairie elder: earth

[torn eagle]

If you look at the murals in the corridor before the actual entrance of the cave of prophecies you will see the elements in their natural "habitat" or original locations

In a different set of murals the shiny boi completed the four trials and and gained the 4 elements

Then the shiny boi gave the 4 elements to 4 elders.. which is the first image youve sent

[past fjord]

they were murals before entering the cave?

damn, I should have stop going through oobs, will look into it

well, it did not really help, it just showed the four element and their original place

[past fjord]

I don't see any shiny boi here

[torn eagle]

image by salem

shiny boi completing the trials and gaining the 4 elements

image by salem

the first image youve sent

[torn eagle]

... theyve changed the murals?!?!

[past fjord]

why am I not seeing any shiny boi with me

[torn eagle]

time to look into it

after my class is done kek

[past fjord]

no shiny Bois here either

[untold notch]

once you've done all the prophecy quests, light the braziers on the floating rocks

[torn eagle]

ah right you gotta stand near the murals and light the braziers kek

[sterile orchid]

is it fire trial that you have to get through for the braziers to show up?

[past fjord]

oohh I got it now

but the question is why is Eden here, and why are the elders have the elements stone? and isn't the fire came from the forest at the starting of the cave then why is it the wasteland elder holding it

[untold notch]

some of the lights got shifted around for unknown reasons, I think someone thought the orange light is in forest because there was a massive wildfire that they put out with the constant rain

[round parrot]

Hmm, since the murals we see were possibly recorded a long time ago, it might also be possible that the orange light migrated from wasteland - forest
I might be wrong

[past fjord]

the water stone is in the hand of forest momma tho

maybe the red diamond and the king is a different being, it seems here that they gave their faith to the red diamond

[round parrot]

Same possible reason, migration

Might be possible that the reason why colored lights migrate is because the environment was either too much or too lacking for it, thus moving to an environment that is best suited for the colored light in question

[past fjord]

thus they all worshipped him

[torn eagle]

A thought related to astrals statement

If fire was first found in forest and then the water element is given to forest elder to quench it

Why was fire given to wasteland elder

A thought that came was related to enchantment lights

Orange light related to fire is attracted to forest

Red light related to darkness is attracted to wasteland as a whole (appears in 2 places)

Could it be that fire was given to wasteland elder to combat the darkness that lingered there

But wouldnt that also mean darkness already existed in wasteland way before the darkstone era? 🤔

[native galleon]

ooh i have an idea about this! i like to think that the trials were a test to find the chosen one. in spirit memories you see the prophets guiding some kids through their respective trials which i interpret as them being like "ok, the elders said it was going to be a kid, maybe it's you idk" and then some of them finish but none of them make it through them all, much less gain the ability to walk on water/fly/etc that you would need to do to reach the stones (elements?). only the chosen one would be able to do that. so then when they finally do, they bring them to the elders and get a blessing - which would be winged light. hence them being able to go on to eden, give their light away, and be reborn. i think that's the connection to eden idk

[untold notch]

lowkey forgot I could be perceived for a second and got jumpscared when you said my name ngl

I believe cat Salem (may not be the original proponent) said that the trials mimicked the progression of the disaster? especially with the progression of the light pillar and where you end up

[torn eagle]

Ah yes that theory too ive seen that theory around here before ^^

... Dont see how that relates to previous thought tho-- eep

[native galleon]

that would be cool if the prophecy of disaster was somehow incorporated into the trials but in a way that's vague enough that the ancestors can't figure out what it means

[torn eagle]

Oh wait.. prophecy kek gkfjfjd totally forgot that aspect 🤔

Yall think the chosen one was able to grasp this hence giving the elements to the elders to prevent it?

"One often meets their destiny on the road one takes to avoid it"

[untold notch]

we're talking about prophecy and I wanted to mention that, is all

[native galleon]

i mean, they clearly didn't prevent the disaster, based on the murals the prophecy is probably more about the arrival of the chosen one but the disaster is going to be part of that i guess

[round parrot]

Off topic but I just want to bring this idea up:
In the prophecy caves we see the shiny boi obtaining each colored light from their respective trials, after of which, distributes them throughout the kingdom and was, presumably crowned king
Now, here's my question: Did the shiny boi absorb the colored lights, and had the power to distribute them throughout the kingdom?
Since we already see that the colored lights have been successfully distributed, would there still be some sort of mark/remnant/effect on the shiny boi after absorbing it?

[round parrot]

*I swear I've seen that quote, I don't know where though *

[torn eagle]

Thats a good question 🤔

My guess tho.. in some way.. yes

Just like how the elements left remnant.. uh.. "energy" for the lack of a better term.. in their original locations

Which the enchantment light with the same element become attracted to

[torn eagle]

Hehehe

[round parrot]

Ohoho I love the feeling of Sky thoughts rushing back
It's been a while

[past fjord]

the wildfire might also be true from happening because we can see the trees in the forest have no leaves

and when that happened, it might have taken to wasteland, where it can burn freely for the war

that must have explained the atmosphere in wasteland as well

[round parrot]

Just like how the elements left remnant.. uh.. "energy" for the lack of a better term.. in their original locations

Do you mean the smokey-like remains of the colored light when you collect it?

[torn eagle]

Nah not really now that you mention it hmm

Im talking more about why are enchantment lights located in where they are now? Considering the fact that they came from the ark and spread out when the ark crashed

[torn eagle]

Possible yea

Could also be the pollution via dark water

Could also be a mix of both 🤔

[pastel brook]

Anyone else read the patch notes, or just me?

plot twist: Skybot takes over the world! Muahahaha!

[fair crown]

Grandma’s food things are ice cream

[cold sparrow]

they rather make me think of sth like japanese steamed buns or german yeast dumplings

[pastel brook]

[sharp lichen]

Relevant theory excerpt:

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[sharp lichen]

I said they were used to enhance the kingdom in various ways: Prairie increased its agricultural, Forest used the rain as a defensive barrier, and Valley made floating islands because floating stuff is cool

[balmy spoke]

I wonder what the significance if any that vault doesn't have a dressing room, minus secret area i guess.

[uncut pond]

Tbf the canonicity of the dressing things in the pre-realm areas is debatable, since it seems very gamemechanic-y

[untold notch]

those could definitely be for ease of gameplay in a way similar to home, and they probably are

[uncut pond]

Yeah, I hc that skids can just change appearance anytime anywhere canonically

[untold notch]

I'm gonna be busy for a bit but I have a vivid memory of a ktjn message about home being for gameplay since it would be a pain to go through all the realms to get to vault or wherever

[round torrent]

hey, is it just me, or does grandma have five stars on her cape…?

does this mean that spirits could possibly fly too? or is it something else?

[uncut pond]

It's a bug introduced in performance, spirits aren't supposed to have stars

[grim python]

did they ever confirm it was a bug I always thought it was intentional and to show what the wedges look like on a cape

[uncut pond]

Given the amount of discussions this chat had about the canonicity of home, I'd assume such message would've come up before, but who knows

[uncut pond]

The patch that introduced it was supposed to fix another bug about cape stars and they never mentioned anything about adding stars to ancestors so it's not hard to infer they introduced a new bug while trying to fix an older one

[round torrent]

i see, i got excited for nothing. thank you for the information tho!!

[sharp lichen]

I mean, game mechanics can still have a reason to exist in lore.

I still think Home is canon

[untold notch]

it may have been in beta chat, I can't recall exactly

I have a bit of time, I'll see what I can find

it might not have been ktjn but hmm

[grim horizon]

guys i was thinking about aurora's songs and the sky lore
aurora's lyrics mainly talk about children, light, love and fighting to stay alive amidst the darkness
i'm pretty sure tgc chose those songs deliberately, because the lyrics feel so lore-accurate ^^

also, one song from aurora that was not used in the concert or the quests is "apple tree". so the song is basically about mortality and fighting, struggling even though you have a strong desire to make change
you want to have a purpose, you want to "save the world" in the aftermath of destruction, "save them all" because that is what you HAVE to do (giving back winged lights, for example). and also the second verse about the hunter:
"hunger is quiet if you do it right
hunter is loud and predictable
scaring away every prey so they're gone before the hunter arrives
would you be kind and put away your sword,
you cannot cut away what we got [...]
we are not here in physical form"
think about the physical form for a sec. when we die after giving away all our winged lights, we hug the other child of light, then our spirits explode out of the stone-body that has now been weakened and killed due to the disaster in eden, en route to orbit and then back to home after the long journey
THAT BEING SAID WHO ARE OUR SKYKIDS AND WHAT ARE WE FIGHTING FOR?

i am sorry for this super long lore post i'm just thinking also what if aurora is a coincidental sky lore analyst

[white swan]

I wonder if someone or people have made sky lore comics or fics…
I really wanna see how they wrote the lore and the seasons and events

[cold sparrow]

according to an interview, it was actually Aurora herself that chose the songs

[untold notch]

it's been said before that Aurora had a good amount of influence on the season itself so I reckon the songs were chosen with intent

[grim horizon]

oop my bad

[sharp lichen]

Yes there has: on AO3

[cold sparrow]

https://www.pushsquare.com/features/interview-how-fortnite-inspired-building-a-better-virtual-concert-in-sky-children-of-the-light

[white swan]

Ooooo i will definitely check that out

[untold notch]

idk what the deal is with exhale inhale, through the eyes of a child, and queendom, but the four songs in the quest are definitely the ones they are for a reason

[cold sparrow]

So on an Apple Music interview, on the Travis Mill show, Travis asked her what the most difficult part of working with [us] on this concert was, and she said it was for her to pick 7 songs out of her entire portfolio. When she picked the songs, I asked her if she could give us some inspiration. So she gave us descriptors.

Like with 'Runaway,' she said "It's a small boy, I feel like we have to help him over the ocean. We have to help him get home. He is lost. Maybe we can show him that he can belong with us. Have a home with us."

And we also asked Aurora, if a player were to come to your actual concert, what do you expect them to do? So she showed me this emote, and I said "what is this?" And she said it was how deaf people clap because deaf people go to her concerts, which I was pretty shocked to hear.

So when she picked these songs... We actually took one out because we ran out of time, but she didn't pick 'Cure For Me', which at the time was her most popular song. But she wanted to give us a range of all kinds of emotions, ups, and downs.

Her favourite song is 'The Seed' which I actually agree with. But there’s a line in that that says, "When the river was poisoned, when the last tree has fallen, you cannot eat money." And it's based on one of the last American Indian chiefs when the colonists drove them out of their land, he said this. [The quote in question is a Cree Indian prophecy]. But when she made the song, it was from the perspective of a seed from a tree. And it's a very strong environmental perspective, so we worked that song with my own sensibilities. And look at Flower. If you've played Flower, that game is about that tension between humans and nature. So I turned her songs into this narrative about how nature views humanity. And then the player would be playing as nature. They're the fish, the bird, the manta ray. So the player is essentially a part of the concert, and they experience humanity from a third-person perspective. Humanity is something else. But that's how Aurora picked her songs, and then her song choices influenced our narrative decisions for the concert, and it all came together in the end.

[grim horizon]

this is very cool
i prob shouldve done my research before randomly theorizing -_-

[cold sparrow]

no it's fine random theorizing is fun and the fear that you don't have all the info shouldn't stop you
I just wanted to fill you in on some info that I have

[grim horizon]

thanks for that btw

[cold sparrow]

the overall point is that Aurora's songs are definitely a great fit and her values align very much with the story that Sky is trying to tell

[hushed steeple]

I notice that when we ever come in contact with light, like fire, we absorb sparks or flames. It reminds me of some sort of tether. It goes directly into the center of us.

[grim horizon]

there is a light gem in our skykid's chests that is removed when we pull out the red candles; once we dont have the candles anymore it goes back on our chest

[lusty merlin]

Oh I love this

[grim horizon]

reference

[keen shore]

I have a suspicion that this is what trial of fire is! More specifically, it might be a prophecy about us ascending Eden after the disaster, which is really interesting to me. It fits the timeline the other trials being prophecies theory has set up and there are lots of similarities:

• Traversing thick darkness that actively tries to kill you at every turn
• Doing so by running through spots of light that keep us alive (candles and braziers)
• Having to avoid massive darkness monsters
• Escaping by becoming extremely glowy and destroying darkness with a touch

You could argue that it could be a prophecy for the entire world after darkness and not just Eden, that bit depends on interpretation. I think both interpretations fit what you’re asking here though

[keen shore]

Vela was the one who originally brought it up!

[hushed steeple]

Is it me, or are more spirit graves in social space? It makes me wonder if social spaces, if they existed during Ancestor Era, were considered designated places of burial. For example, some ancestors in Daylight are buried in a small circle with a slab of stone before them. There are other slabs of stone but with no gravestones, which also makes me wonder. I could just be overthinking as always

[keen shore]

We see a few graves that aren’t in social spaces! However, the spirits we meet all have graves in social spaces, you’re right. I have to wonder if skykids erected those ones

[hushed steeple]

Interesting thought! The gravestones seem to be cracked and aged. Could it be that surviving loved ones or other ancestors erected these graves? And what were social spaces considered before Sky Kid era?

If I recall correctly, there’s a spirit that lost their friends to a cave-in. I can’t remember the name, but I do remember the dead being buried by said ancestor.

[keen shore]

I think they weren’t really a separate place like how skykids see them, they’re just kinda the first spot in each realm so they were the most convenient places for social spots. Like, the beach of Isle may not be particularly sacred to ancestors, but it’s the first bit of Isle our skykids see so it’s important to them

[keen shore]

tearful light miner! The memory doesn’t show them burying their friends directly and in fact, at one node, they make rock stacks similar to symbolic graves, possibly implying that while they were stuck in the cave they couldn’t bury their friends on their own and they returned later to do it

[lusty merlin]

Thinks of my love on how death is portrayed in sky and the gravestone placements

Also its super cool that theres gravestones in places that are confirmed to be named social spaces! And not an actual graveyard

[keen shore]

I was actually thinking about the graves in Sky because of tearful light miner’s spirit memory a few days ago, because the graves are worn away in a way most graves we see aren’t — not only that, but they’re buried away from the sky. If most/all gravestones work like the ones we use, where you walk near them and the spirit attached is summoned, or they just have a connection — those spirits being buried away from the sky & still in the cave they died in gives me Many thoughts

[lusty merlin]

Ough yeah, I wonder if gravestones are made of somthing that attuned to spirits, and since tearful used rocks their friends couldn’tvisit

[frigid tinsel]

Yup, that’s our flame. You’ll notice when extinguished, the light will go out and leave a black hole in our chest

[keen shore]

sometimes I wonder if those spirits couldn’t connect to the ‘new’ graves either. The worn down nature of them is implying Something.
I personally go with soup theory for it (this spirit memory is what spawned soup theory in fact) but you could argue the spirits who died in the cave were entirely lost to darkness

[austere bridge]

soup! heck yeah

also thinking about how in the ancestor world death is less seen as sad and tragic(although there are some VERY tragic deaths) and more just. moving on. to begin their light cycle anew. i think the word i'm looking for here is bittersweet.

[lusty merlin]

YEA I AGREE I COMPLETELY AGREE

AND YES LOSS AND GRIEF IS STILL FELT BUT EVEN THEN SPIRITS CAN STILL VISIT THEIR LOVED ONES, THEYRE GONE BUT NOT GONE FOREVER

[tepid veldt]

i really like how sky portrays death as that way that sounds so weird out of context

[sharp lichen]

Lorechat is weird out of context

[untold notch]

I aspire to be weird in context

[tepid veldt]

guide moment guide moment guide moment guide moment

but also, the appearance of shared memory candles has lore implications? since when-?

[remote skiff]

diamonds weren't just power sources i guess

[tepid veldt]

oh crystals i cant read

[remote skiff]

also, they have the same shape as the diamond on eden... and if crystals contain shared memories, and we gather lost memories (aka winged light) to bring to eden...

whose memory? what spirit was sundered in the break per the whale poem from shattering?

[tepid veldt]

wait what if they were turned into memory lanterns

[remote skiff]

then they'd be memory lanterns, not crystals?

[tepid veldt]

wait oops that was me not thinking again, forgot that theyve been called memory lanterns in game instead of a fanmade term

[remote skiff]

it's ok, i think they do call it that in the patch notes? lemme check

nope, just called the ultimate gift prop

[sharp lichen]

Shards contain creature memories, and shards erupt from the Eden Diamond…

[remote skiff]

eden elder eden elder eden elder ede--

[sharp lichen]

Yes, I have a 30 minute rambling video about how the Void of Shattering is the remains of the Eden Elder

[remote skiff]

I've literally taken friends on lore tours that last over 2 hours

most of it centers around the mystery of the absent crowned figure seen in the murals and even more motifs

[sharp lichen]

Field trips or Expeditions we call them

[lusty merlin]

Maybe their they are smaller scale memory landerns, ones you can use for a short while before they die out and need power, while compared to memory lantersn being bigger they can last longer and even project stronger light

[remote skiff]

but the shared space spells take the form of memory lanterns, so i personally can't agree with that

[tepid veldt]

#seasons-events-chat message dunno if anyone has logged on but here’s the new version

[frigid tinsel]

Grass longer

[tepid veldt]

ice rink melted </3

[sharp lichen]

Global warming is real

[remote skiff]

it's called the changing of the seasons

[misty warren]

are masks like a cultural thing? but they're some spirits who don't wear a mask though

[tepid veldt]

iirc some have theorized that the masks are based off of profession but im not too knowledgeable on that

[sharp lichen]

It’s probably a fashion thing, like how some people wear hats and some don’t

[earnest briar]

Baud you do realize people also wear glasses because they need them to see. They're not just for fashion.

[sharp lichen]

True, a better analogy would be hats

[compact shale]

I did hear about animal masks being symbolic though

[earnest briar]

Actually, it'd be a cool idea if some masks were like contact lenses for Ancestors. Like, it helped them focus their inner light better.

[copper saffron]

memory candles are memory cubes now, neat

[keen shore]

All I want to know is who gave the skykids darkstone

[sharp lichen]

Technically Mellow Musician

[keen shore]

Considering we record ourselves like memory lanterns in them, I feel like a vault spirit has to be involved somewhere here

[static zephyr]

Can I post a theory I have here?

Ok then

I shared this theory with a couple friends and I wanted to hear what you guys think about it on this server

in Auroras concert during The Seed we see balls of blue light I feel like those are stands in for darkness being created and falling onto the golden wasteland meaning the darkness is created through negative emotions and also possibly feeds on it and the reason why darkness was created in the first place was because I believe the battle/war that was going on below us

[atomic lava]

can you explain 👀/nf

[compact shale]

Mellow Musician's guitar has darkstone in it

[atomic lava]

oooohhhhhhh ty

[sharp lichen]

It's interesting, since uncharged darkness is also tinted blue

Dark Dragon's spotlight, dark plants, dark crystals, etc.

[frigid tinsel]

I call it passive darkness, not that it's harmless but rather it isn't actively taking light as does red or hostile darkness, like charging krills and corrupted darkstone

[static zephyr]

They could be showing that they are from darkness

[frigid tinsel]

however we have blue lights – blue light and cyan light, the latter of which those falling lights in The Seed more closely resembles

[static zephyr]

Ok ok somthing I noticed during the season of the abyss something to do with the krill king or that massive krill we saw
What if the krill’s come from darkness corrupted mantas because when we got swallowed by the krill king we entered the same place we go to when we die in Eden what if we go into the very core of those creatures and we reignite them with our light returning them to there purest form?

Because eden seems to be conscious to some degree the unlit sky kid that we need is possibly the ‘elder’ of Eden who could be Eden themselves lost in a pool of darkness and sadness we bring them back to the light by just a simple hug one that is pure and simple

[flint bolt]

Mantas were hunted for light and food back before the Sky fell.

I will provide zero explanation, goodbye.

[frigid tinsel]

per usual

[pastel brook]

im just vibing here bro

When we reincarnate after Eden, are we a new person or the same?

[misty warren]

probably not in the same body

[untold notch]

hm ship of Theseus

[misty warren]

i still have no idea if ancestors need to eat or not but it seems that skykids don't need to

[native galleon]

so i've been reading and heavily enjoying the theories about the war and while running battlefield just now i noticed the giant bat thing next to a diamond shield??? 👀

[lusty merlin]

Ohh do you have photos? Not quite sure what your referring too

[keen shore]

Ohhh is it kinda sword shaped too?

[native galleon]

i do but they arent loading

here

[lusty merlin]

Omg help when you said bat I thought you mean the animal bat💀💀💀

[native galleon]

idk if you would call it a bat or a paddle or what, all i'm saying is it looks...familiar

[lusty merlin]

A sword maybe (machete?), think I saw a smaller version on some ancestors in the seed memory or that section of the aurora concert

[keen shore]

I think most people refer to it as a sword, but it honestly could be a blunt force weapon (like a bat is) so it just depends on what you want to call it

[native galleon]

exactly, it looks too big for ancestors 👀

[lusty merlin]

I would say Tsadi used it but if they did then that makes me question the spear rainfall we see in both seeds memory and woundful warriors memory

Like I have no idea how that can work, if an elder throwing tens of thousands of spears up like arrows at the same time, or a bunch of ancestors somhow having the strength for that

Either way unless they’re like magic (which I can’t tell) idk how that would work

[keen shore]

I have a personal suspicion that the reason the shields and weapons in Battlefield are so large is just for dramatic effect, so that they loom over the landscape. Unfortunately, that doesn’t really help us figuring out why they’re like that in universe, unless you want to go the possibly wrong route of “they’re just smaller in canon” and not think about it

[lusty merlin]

Blacksmith working for dusk: “why are these shields twice as tall as a person-“

“Let’s talk about something else for awhile” /ref

[past fjord]

maybe they were other elders that fought the darkness in gwl and has fallen along with the soldiers

that are tall and giant like elder like, so that may explains the big shields

[native galleon]

Oh it reminds me of other elders alright, but I was too nervous to just spit it out because i'm dumb

[lusty merlin]

I feel like we’d get some hints if the elders were directly fighting in the battlefeild

And everyone is still pretty short but and are tall enough unless this fossils decided to take a swing with the spear

Salem, I love Daleth but that lad cannot hold those those spears/swords💀

[past fjord]

yeah I also too am dumb

maybe the elders that we have right now are the only ones left to protect each and every realm from darkness and thus has been left to defend every realm while other elders are busy enough to fight a war in gw

[lusty merlin]

Wait I’m a little confused, are you suggesting there were other elders beside the ones we see ingame?

Like the main 7 we see

[past fjord]

yes, perhaps. How else would you suppose and give an explanation to a giant shields and swords and spears

if there aren't elders, then they are big and giant fellows

[native galleon]

Ok what I was getting at was, questions of scale aside, there are so many hints about valley being on the other side and the style of that weapon reminds me of these things. that's all

[past fjord]

oohh I would suppose there aren't weapons, they are bats that are used to play hockey

[keen shore]

The stabbers 💥

[past fjord]

after all the twins are the youngest elder that we have met in the realms

[lusty merlin]

sorry I have to hard agree to disagree of there being other elders before the main 7, since there’s nothing ingame that would suggest that there were previous elders or that being an elder was just a title and they were not born that way.

There could be bigger ancestors though, I know talented builder is just, very tall

[native galleon]

i've gathered that they're usually more interested in sports and entertaining but i mean, when push comes to shove, bats are an effective weapon

sorry i took so long to actually say it i was worried that it was either a dumb theory or so obvious that it's not even worth mentioning. possibly both. idk

[buoyant granite]

Hi, i have a question about the lore..can i ask?

[past fjord]

the shields a lot bigger than spirits tho, and only the brave warrior from GW can lift those shields that big, but of course the gw elder can't hold that much shields at once

[lusty merlin]

Sure, but said anwser can be vague depending on what it is, sky lore is just pretty open

[past fjord]

we only based on what we see about our observation and thus cannot call them facts or the truth behind the lore, but we will be sure to try our best

[keen shore]

If you want a possible in universe explanation as to the shield size, consider the giant potions which we know the enchantment spirits can make; we also have a mural of ancestors taking them to get taller!

[lusty merlin]

Yeah which confuses me a lot, I know wounded warriors friend who looked pretty strong was holding a shield but idk if that sheild is downsized

[lusty merlin]

Oh yeah I forgot about those

That can also work really well now that I think about it!

[past fjord]

now that I would love to see, where can I find the mural?

[native galleon]

me 2 months ago: idc about the lore or anything im just here for aurora
me now: SAMEKH WAR CRIMINALS CONFIRMED????

[keen shore]

SANDWICH VIOLENCE

[round parrot]

Here's an idea:
What if there were boats? like the flying ones, with shields bigger than ancestors along the sides to protect the ship from attacks

[buoyant granite]

..i think that the war between kingdoms the other side was the hidden forest due to the symbols i saw in the temple of teth, diamonds and the golden wasteland the elder's logo was a sun

[floral skiff]

Wouldn't it be funny if the soundtracks contained lore

[past fjord]

or what If they just really built a lot of big and gigantic shields as their own defense

[keen shore]

Here! Third one

[past fjord]

from the flying krills, of course that would make sense, because after all, the people cannot fly and their enemies have taken advantage because they have the ability to fly

[lusty merlin]

Maybe

I can definitely see the symbols yet that would mean forest troops would have to go through valley, if valley was even on their side (that happens a lot in the past, country marching through a neutral one to get to the enemy and it usually doesn’t end too well)

Plus forests realm isint that populated, yet we won’t know for sure unless we get a seasonal area with a small town or village

[round parrot]

I have this headcanon that *headphones (or tools like headphones) draw in sound or light from the air, converting it into music (aka bg music)

[buoyant granite]

WHAT ARE THE ELDERS OF THE VALLEY OF TRIUMPH? SIBLINGS? COUPLE?

[past fjord]

and we know krills are like cats that likes zoomies and just like to zooms over anything that moves

[round parrot]

Twins.
Silly twins

[floral skiff]

Friends

[stone crater]

aw thats actually adorable

[lusty merlin]

They’re confirmed twins by the devs, and it’s pretty easy to tell, same masks, hair (kinda), clothes, weapons ect

[native galleon]

they were roommates /j

[round parrot]

And the share the same tomb

[past fjord]

except cats are more vicious than krills

[buoyant granite]

How the little prince touched a krill without fainting trying?

[lusty merlin]

Also they like salt and pepper apple slices but yeah I love the twins

[round parrot]

The krill was a representation of the snake in the book

[keen shore]

You like the twins? I never could have guessed… /t

[native galleon]

god speaking of roommates, imagine the drama when they go to war and the world ends and they have to share the void for eternity

[floral skiff]

The twins eat raw eggs and nails without milk

[buoyant granite]

Thanks...wait...Who is the voice at the beginning that asks us to help the fallen? Who created the children of light?

[lusty merlin]

Yeah me neither! /j

It’s not like I made a plush, wrote fanfic, or drew dozens of fanart of them and made tons of headcannons

[round parrot]

Oh and don't forget your pfp

[lusty merlin]

I talked about megabird here but in concept art: they seemed to create skykids to help heal the kingdom, and while the process could be different I feel like their main role transferred over

[lusty merlin]

Ah yes my Sunset Sah lesbian pfp how could I forget

And my bio

[native galleon]

i like them too, something about characters that would be the absolute worst irl is infinitely entertaining to me

[buoyant granite]

this could be the king right? see everything that happened and not be able to leave, just create life to try to fix everything, we are like world repairmen, we clean up what is harmful,

[lusty merlin]

I remember a dev saying they arnet around anymore but not in the way that we think. (Whatever that means) personally I like to think it’s megabird telling us but even I’m unsure

[buoyant granite]

Oh, ...who is megabird sorry, i don't know the lore-

[lusty merlin]

I talked about them way earlier here before but it gives a rundown of what I think they are

[native galleon]

anyways this game is consuming my life and i have brain rot! i will be drawing about it! good night ❤️

[strong eagle]

Megabird is only the Skykids’ deity

[pastel brook]

I'm shifting into maximum overdrive!

Do you think light creatures are scaled? 🤔

[sharp lichen]

I mean, we see this happening in Valley

For once you’re true

[sharp lichen]

TOYOTA COROLLA

[round parrot]

Maybe except for the food part(?)
I personally don't see light creatures sources of meat food

[sharp lichen]

Megabird seems to be an originator/progenitor of The Light, an an-encompassing force which consists of all light in the world

Light itself is consumed by the Skykids for food, though

Why wouldn’t Ancestors?

[round parrot]

well maybe because they are made of different materials
then again, it's just speculation

[sharp lichen]

Eh, I see all light creatures being made of the same fundamental light

Kinda like how all plants are made of the same material

[flint bolt]

I mean, (gameplay wise) they do provide use with a outfit changer thingy before you leave, so maybe it's giving you the opportunity to unlock stuff and change into something new?

[tropic zodiac]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BvaSxnKgjM26MPZ8FXn2iXzxi3N2-PJphkHFirbMGJg/edit?usp=drivesdk

Just some info I compiled

[lost wing]

Hi lore chat! I was watching the idle animations, and I noticed that sky kids will occasionally scratch the back of their neck/head. This could mean that they have human-like organs and cells and whatnot because in order to feel an itch, you need nerve cells and a brain. They also stretch in the same way we do, which could mean they have human-like muscles and joints.
But then again, they like to copy spirit’s behaviour, so these could also just be things they saw spirits doing.

[sharp lichen]

There’s no “scratch your head” spirit, though.

We do know Skykids have nerves because they feel pain, but many fantasy creatures have fantasy biology that use magic instead of biology to explain how it’s alive. Given how we’re called “children of the LIGHT”, I think our ‘brain’ is more analogous to a core of light.

[past fjord]

I have also seen the official animation just now and I saw trees and I don't mean the tress from the hidden forest but trees with leeeeeeaves

[sharp lichen]

It’s the same, at least from what I see it as

[sharp lichen]

Leaves

[tepid veldt]

leaf :D

[past fjord]

and also I have noticed a civilization, like a village and they have trading system

[untold notch]

yeah the realms of sky used to be so vibrant but then everyone died

[past fjord]

this looks like to me as the old hidden forest

and of course we all surely recognize where those stairs at and that temple

they must have made their house made of stone and somewhat fabric like a tent

[past fjord]

Oh to think that this is what the old isle looks like is just so saddens me, now it just looks so empty

[slim mango]

After update, i can see all spirits now glowing like us. 🤔

Your lore?

[rigid mural]

👀

[slim mango]

Nice! 👍

[past fjord]

it's probably because when we go near to the spirits, we get lights and our light level increases and we get wing energy just like from skykids

that is why they give glow effects like that now, that is one of tgc adding up details I guess

[slim mango]

Nice, i sometimes recharging my wing by using spirit light

[shrewd zenith]

I can't decide if the capes have a feather pattern or a scale pattern. It looks like basic feather pattern when theh charge but I don't know.

[hushed steeple]

so guys

I have a theory about krills.

[misty warren]

spill the tea

[hushed steeple]

lemme type is a bit long

[sharp lichen]

I do think this is Isle

[balmy atlas]

Hi, I want to ask about something, is it true when we go to eden we'll get extra 1 wing buff at the end of the tunnel of light? (The sound like star at the end)

[half shadow]

this isn’t necessarily a lore answer so you’ll probably have a better time asking #questions-and-help !

[past fjord]

some obvious theory, spirits are people that died from the war or probably of old age, which are obvious which is why they are spirits and called spirits, but the thing is that spirits are bigger than us skykids so we basically are not like alike with the past people, so this would mean that we are somewhat a new generation of this spirits?

[half shadow]

it’s not clear that all spirits died in the war, as there were small groups of survivors after the war and potentially after the explosion of Eden, like the Abyss crew.

and yeah you’re right, Skykids and the Ancestors aren’t the same! it’s more like Skykids are an “artificial” creation that look like the Ancestors instead. Skykids won’t grow up to become Ancestors

[past fjord]

another thing is that if they are ded, this would mean these are people are now extinct, I have never seen any sky npc that are not spirits tho

[half shadow]

yeah, all of the ancestors/spirits are dead. the skykids are the only ones who are living

[past fjord]

even from any seasonal spirits, they are all ded even if their stories says otherwise, they are still spirits and not living ;-;

[half shadow]

yeah, it is kind of sad. but they can still communicate with us and visit, which i think is kind of beautiful. death isn’t the end in Sky, which feels like a comfort

[past fjord]

even the elders are spirit and are no longer living, so it means that there are no longer living people in sky except us

[past fjord]

except if we use a big potion

[buoyant mortar]

hihi lore chat! is there a name for the big cosmic manta in vault?

[past fjord]

yes, it's named is before disaster happens and it turns into a krill, surprise surprise

[buoyant mortar]

@desert bobcat

[desert bobcat]

why tagging me here?

[past fjord]

that's how krills are made btw, through mantas, first they stripped the manta’s light energy and their light power and transform them or transfer them into the power diamonds and untill all is left for the mantas are darkness and that is how krills are made

[desert bobcat]

wow, that's not really ethic, but which artificial factory made process is ethic nowadays

[past fjord]

=

[desert bobcat]

what about kreb

[past fjord]

Krebs are just simple krebs

[desert bobcat]

they're dark cause they simply are resistent to darkness?

[past fjord]

Though I may have actually seen a crab stone that has a claws in this video, but I don't see anyone that has claws with out Krebs in sky

[desert bobcat]

are krebs artificial beings?
they kinda look artificial in those trailers, they have chiseled characters / patterns on them
or they just hide on rocks?

[supple goblet]

i would love to go on one of the tours

[untold notch]

I think some people lovingly call it floppy disk

idk what it is though? I think it's a memory of a creature that once existed similar to the cosmic mantas

[earnest briar]

Howl, we don't actually have a confirmed origin for the Krills beyond them being former Light Creatures. So don't go telling people they're Mantas, because for all we know they could be something else entirely.

[hushed steeple]

my theory about krills

[desert bobcat]

i just started thinking about this right now, if manta becomes cosmic manta and then cosmic manta become krill, what if that big manta is closer to be a krill than the other cosmic manta?
like a process of conversion

[untold notch]

it's just manta -> krill I believe, the cosmic mantas are separate

[desert bobcat]

really?

[hushed steeple]

I think krills were those whales we see in the orbit/ sanctuary/ forest ( or something very similar) or baby whales because of the size, and they are prominently in the graveyard where there is a big skeleton. ( guessing their mom?)

. but when darkness fell some sort of darkness parasite overtook their brains. but in order for this parasite to control the krill, it needs to kill the krill first. The blue and red light that we have are the sensors of the parasite. It turns red when it sees light creatures because it preys on them ( the krills before they turned into krills must’ve held a lot of light inside them. and they must’ve loved to play with other light creatures so the darkness parasite is using this inherent trait. that’s why when the krill shines the red light on us there’s like 10 seconds timer, its giving us enough time to get away.

And the reason I say that they must've been baby whales is because, of their size in comparison to the big whales, and the fact they looked skeletons is because theyre half dead TT.

[tepid veldt]

now im gonna call it floppy disk too

[cold sparrow]

we don't even have confirmation that krill were once light creatures
all that is officially confirmed is that krill are "corrupted"

[untold notch]

well we don't actually know if that's how krills are made but I can tell you that krills ignore extinguished skykids

[hushed steeple]

do you think it holds any ground

[earnest briar]

forgot about that. I'm all about coming up with origins for the Krills but I don't enjoy it when people go claiming one of their theories is more canon than another person's theory.

Like I think as long as we let people know that Krills are corrupted something and let them come up with an idea from there it's fine.

[ornate orchid]

floppy disk lol cute

[untold notch]

there's a lot of interesting theories on how krill are made, but until tgc tells us none of them are confirmed canon

[ornate orchid]

i was personally under the impression that they were born from corruption

honestly so many different people have different interpretations of the lore we're given and a whole lot of stuff is fanon but without real backing

[desert bobcat]

i think that's all the channel is about, people trying to explain aspects of the game lore, just like people nowadays explain space and science, the thing here is that we cant prove anything, so it would be more like ancient greece, where they think and is kinda hard to prove

[earnest briar]

The fun part about not much being canon is that cool theories can be made. However we have to make sure to remember they're just that. Theories. No theory is more canon than another. Heck we could say the Valley and Wasteland Elders got divorced, and it has just as much merit as another theory.

[desert bobcat]

honestly this is the krill theory i like the most tbh, light creatures parasited by a darkness parasite, and as i understood they kinda still inside their heads( light creature) cause it let you 10 seconds to run, kinda makes sense, but doesnt explain where is the mask like thing on the whale's face

[cold sparrow]

this channel is absolutely about coming up with possibly explanations and theories
it's just important that when a newbie asks for some explanations, to not just give your theory with an air of authority and confidence that makes it seem like the universal truth

[untold notch]

my personal trick is to not say anything with confidence

[hushed steeple]

thank you <3 O: I never knew there was a mask on their faces

[desert bobcat]

i dont think it is a mask, but it has something of a stone like material on their faces, the actual whale model has it, and elder mantas/manta whales also have it, but regular and cosmic mantas doesnt

i think it is like the material the crab's bodies are made

[hushed steeple]

ohh ill have to look that up

[untold notch]

it also just might not be a whale

then again, tgc is inconsistent with it's bone placement

[ornate orchid]

who cares about the accuracy of a fantasy creature when cool bones

[desert bobcat]

krills are so deformed that they really doesn't seem to come from any creature if im honest

[untold notch]

sometimes they don't have the bones

[ornate orchid]

i think a more likely candidates of actually being corrupted light creatures are the crabs

[hushed steeple]

maybe the darkness deformed them? or something

[desert bobcat]

crabs seem to exist before the darkness corrupted the krills i think, crabs are just stone like creatures which are agresive i think

there will always be a creature that will attack/feast on other creatures, just like in real life the actual cycle of life

[ornate orchid]

you see, in some areas (wasteland bonfire, one specific island in the sanctuary islands, dev are) the crabs don't have darkness particles and are passive towards players. they are pure white as opposed to the speckled white or even the completely dark crabs we see in daylight prairie & the wasteland

[sharp lichen]

Also, crabs can ascend like most light creature

[ornate orchid]

and! we have crab call!

[desert bobcat]

we will only get calls from light creatures?
then i will be forgettin about getting krill call

[ornate orchid]

there is no krill call in the game, so

[sharp lichen]

Because it would sound like death

[cold sparrow]

in some old QnA, one of the devs said they tested krill call and it was annoying lmao

[earnest briar]

Its so funny when Krills suddenly snap their back for no reason and start heading back the way they came. Chiropractors hate them.

[ornate orchid]

the only calls we have are light creatures'

i find the crabs peculiar, because when you save the white crabs at the bonfire from becoming that spirit's dinner, they emit hearts. they're thanking you for saving them. and the crabs that have fully become corrupted (the red shard crabs) cannot be pacified at all, and will charge at any light creature that makes noise

[cold sparrow]

they sound they make when they pass by you is just the noise of their bones cracking

[earnest briar]

They also really hate memory candles (now diamonds) for some reason despite the fact they're just sitting there.

[hushed steeple]

that must be painful

[untold notch]

quasont

[desert bobcat]

is like the krill light, maybe crabs are so small that they lost all control about what to do and got total agressive, just like rabies in real life, animals go total crazy

[ornate orchid]

mad crab disease

[desert bobcat]

what if there where a way to purify those crabs, like, getting those red crystals out of them, but it would be hard if you cant flip them over

imagine a purifying season, just like abyss getting us a new mask with a use, we could get a crab purifier prop for that season quests, that could be used in any realm

but it couldnt purify shard crabs( the ones with red shards on they're back)

[hushed steeple]

yes please I wanna see what wasteland was like before the corruption

[ornate orchid]

i think the reef is actually pretty close to showing what it may have looked like. season of enchantment & days of bloom 2023 as well

[hushed steeple]

would it still have been green? I thought it was golden since the name

[ornate orchid]

the reef isn't exactly green either, so i don't think so. it'd make more sense for the green to be the result of corruption

[untold notch]

treasure reef is Far Away, to be fair

[ornate orchid]

fair enough :p

which... what do you guys think the corruption is? it's heavily implied that the technology (the big diamond rock that is in eden, but that also represents the technology used throughout the kingdom) did them in, right? according to the ancient memory

[hushed steeple]

ohh treasure reef does have a sheen to it

[desert bobcat]

i think is something like IRL pollution, some waste that those light crystals leave behind after absorbing light

[ornate orchid]

i'm basing it off of the dev notes, where they state that the hidden forest was based on the concept of the consequences of (technological) advancement. the rain in the forest is also polluted, since water as a whole isn't harmful to us, but the rain is

plus, of course, the final ancient memory showing the elders being harmed by the diamond of eden

[desert bobcat]

then why doesnt the river water doesnt do any harm to us, if the constant rais is polluted it would pollute the river too right?

[supple goblet]

i always wondered that!

[ornate orchid]

how else would you explain the rain being harmful, but not the water in other areas? home, isle of dawn, daylight prairie, the winding paths, valley of triumph and golden wasteland all have water in them that we can swim in

[hushed steeple]

maybe it is polluted but we're immune to it?

[supple goblet]

acid rain?
i was backreading earlier and saw someone mention/theorize that the rain mightve been a defensive mechanism or something

[ornate orchid]

yes, polluted rain and acid rain are the same thing, no?

[desert bobcat]

it seems like the cosmic/jellyfish like fungus on the trees are immune to that pollution

[ornate orchid]

also, i'm not sure, considering the developer comments (the "consequence" concept was not an early stage but a late stage concept! it's not a scrapped idea) as well as the cave of prophecies showing the forest elder being linked to the water element, which takes the form of rain in the mural paintings

[supple goblet]

yeah, if you mentioned polluted rain/called the rain in forest polluted rain then im sorry for not seeing it lmao 😭 alot of the times while reading things i skip over things especially with no spaces

[half shadow]

an interesting thing to me is that typically darkness corrupted creatures have a sort of crustacean-y look, with armor plating and spikes. light based creatures are smoother, round and more simplistic. whales in sky have always been fascinating to me because they seem to be the only example of a creature with blended characteristics of light and dark. they have pretty heavily armored faces, including facial spikes, while the rest of their body is a lot more aligned with typically sleek light-based elements.

[desert bobcat]

maybe is like big fish in real life, they leave for so long that they start to get heavy weights of a toxic compound
(on real life big fishes is mercury, in sky would be darkness)

and that starts a process of blending on them

[lusty merlin]

Well we’re affected by darkness and loose light, even if rain can only be affected by air pollution, I wonder in sky if any chemicals can fuse with the water and even be in the rain when evaporation happens. Then again there’s colores light that summons water so sky doesn’t really follow the regular rules of nature . Maybe there’s small amounts of darkness in the rain but not enough in the river and puddles so it could diluted, when with wasteland, water it’s just pure darkness.

Forest can be implied to be a big producer of the diamonds we use to light, which In turn factory’s do cause air pollution, so the actual way of having polluted rain isint too far off

[ornate orchid]

yes! technology is utilised a lot within the hidden forest, especially in comparison to isle of dawn, daylight prairie and golden wasteland

[desert bobcat]

maybe that weak amount of pollution gets "crystaliced" in darkness plants, that melt (in daily quest it says melt X amount of darkness) and cause in wastelant there is a lot more darkness you can see more plant and bigger plants

[ornate orchid]

valley of triumph and vault of knowledge also use a lot, but the vault of knowledge is indoors, so perhaps it was shielded

[desert bobcat]

in fact, in wasteland there is a ruined refinery of light crystals

there is where we found our first krill

[lusty merlin]

Yaya! I also find it super intersting Valley has the most visual use of darkstone, when Vault is covered in it for an array of things yet there’s not a single factory. In valley and obviously none in vault.

Kinda what happens with a lot of materials irl, the countries that the material came from barely get any, when the other countries (who are usually more powerful) take and leave almost nothing for the other country

[ornate orchid]

this ties in nicely with the fact that valley is the only realm to show a distinction between upper- and lower social classes...

[lusty merlin]

Also intersting valley is the most livley of any of the realms: races, the coliseum, citidel, theatre ect and each uses darkstone one way or another, they relish in the culture of their city and enjoy it to the fullest

[buoyant mortar]

adri did i unintentionally drag you into a rabbit hole

[desert bobcat]

i think valley is the only realm that got more of its culture preserved, and where i think there are more spirits, cause there are 2/3 seasons in it, and almost every season has to do with valley's culture, rythm, performance and dreams

and yes, you did

[ornate orchid]

that might also be because they're still working on expanding the lore for other areas. except isle of dawn, which only got one and a quarter of a season. poor isle of dawn deserves better than this hahaha

i know it's the tutorial area, and messing with it too much would perhaps confuse new players, but still. give the poor old man some love, tgc!

[desert bobcat]

can we says that aurora is canon herself? and the same with little prince

[lusty merlin]

I feel like valley is just more focused on being an actual capital city compared to the other realms, where everyone else seems to be transporting goods to having vault being a sort of university

I definitely see the other realms having their own villages but nothing to the extent of valley

[keen shore]

Valley seems to be at least partially based around the idea of panem et circenses (keeping the people happy and distracted from the war in wasteland just below by just giving them games and bread). An interesting detail is that, since we go into wasteland after and most new players don’t immediately notice some of the spirits we meet in Valley are wearing armor, the philosophy of keeping Valley’s citizens distracted with flashy races and games and a beautiful city also works on us as players

[ornate orchid]

and then you get to vault during season of remembrance, and are basically hit over the head with the fact that military might was used to keep other starfolk under someone's thumb. presumably the king's

[static zephyr]

Or the elders

[lusty merlin]

I wouldn’t exactly see the aurora and prince being full on cannon

Ik ash said we can see the prince as our imaginary friend if we want

And for aurora they’re more of a story taller to me, story she sings are true but her herself i don’t fully see existing in the story of that makes sence

[ornate orchid]

the way the elders are presented throughout the story doesn't give me the impression that they were the ones that were tyrannical...

[desert bobcat]

i remember seeing a video of a sky theoirist that showed a mural where the king sims to be screaming or eating something, withou whering the mask that ALL the society wore forever, like, it was suffering in case of it screaming

[desert bobcat]

is something like us or a godly being that observed everything happen, and to help us do what we came to she tells us what happened

[static zephyr]

Actually, better, idea what if the unlit sky kid we see when we die in Eden is the ‘king’ of Eden or before Eden was well extremely deadly and he was the one who caused all the problems with the kingdom of sky do to his little understanding of environmental damage it seems like each of a different sectors of the king are responsible for different things before us being woodwork, daylight Prairie being agriculture, etc.

[ornate orchid]

yes. that's the vault of knowledge elder awakening cutscene, where they show the memories of the elders. they're all portrayed as working with their people, or at least being among them (in the valley elders' case)... plus, it's the elders that are being hurt by the eden diamond burst in the final ancient memory

[lusty merlin]

Just because they wernt tyrannical doesn’t mean they weren’t the ones that started the war possibly

I mean was leading soldiers in the vault cutscene. The elders while we don’t know much about that can have their own reasons of doing whatever they did, whenever that’s looking out for all the ancestors or pritorizing the ancestors in just their realms

[ornate orchid]

the mural shows the wasteland elder fighting against huge creatures, though

[lusty merlin]

That’s just a skeleton though, the ones we see in graveyard

[static zephyr]

Perhaps the same creatures we see as the giant krill we see in the season of abyss?

I have nicked name them the krill kings

[ornate orchid]

it's possible that the war on creatures, the corruption of eden, and the civil war all happened around the same time or as a result of one another. at least that's how i interpreted everything

[static zephyr]

WAIT what if because of all these events and the darkness that was created from all of this is what made Eden into Eden!

[desert bobcat]

aurora shows us some images of the war, that kinda seems like they fought against dark/light creatures, i dont really remember, but the seed of hope shows us that there where krills when they were around

[lusty merlin]

Yeah and they also showed ancestors fighting ancestors too, mantas seemed to have gotten caught in the crossfire and krill seem to be a common emeney aginst both ancestors.

[static zephyr]

Maybe krill’s used to be peaceful but only attack them because they hit there children?

[desert bobcat]

i believe eden is where the megabird helped light creatures to ascend, and like that maintain the light cycle

[lusty merlin]

What children exactly? Unless you mean skykids then they really didn’t exist until after the kingdom fell

[desert bobcat]

i believe the first skykid in existance was the king right?, which i believe we see fall through a spirit memory in isle

[static zephyr]

I mean the krill’s kids the spirits were seen attacking smaller krill’s could be younger krill’s they could be trying to wipe out the population starting with the young ones (star wars in a nutshell)

[lusty merlin]

Krill kids are a fannon concept though? They’re not cannon in the game and are just an idea for skykid oc’s

[static zephyr]

no I mean younger/smaller krill’s

[ornate orchid]

season of remembrance shows us different army factions of starfolk too, the wounded warrior's memories in particular. so it's not just the oppression of civilians, but a full-on civil war. the fact that eden corrupts first and the other realms corrupt later makes me think that there was infighting between elders of some kind, whether that's the elders against the king, or elder-on-elder violence

[lusty merlin]

Oh my god my bad

But if they were hostile for attacking smaller krill then why would adult krill attack us?

[ornate orchid]

elder-on-elder violence is a funny sentence i didn't think i would ever say in my life

[static zephyr]

Wait what about the meeting table in the vault of knowledge they seem to be in a meeting and then left in a panic

[lusty merlin]

The meeting room confuses me cuz those chairs are too big for the smaller elders yet too small for the bigger elders like

[desert bobcat]

i just imagined 2 grannies fighting

[ornate orchid]

i thought that was for the clergy of the vault, not the elders? 🤔

[desert bobcat]

is kinda big, it really has to be made for the elders, and i think it has 6 seats, just as the number of realms

[lusty merlin]

Where did you hear that exactly? First time I’m hearing about a clergy?

[static zephyr]

My idea was that they where having a meeting about the king and his damage to the environment before they can do anything Eden erupted/corrupted causing the elders to go fight or attack. Whatever was happening, which was the final memory.
Because of this battle, it put them into a weakened state, and some of them went into a slumber of some sort to regain their power

[ornate orchid]

i don't know how to describe them LOL librarians??

[lusty merlin]

I think canonically a lot of the spirits in vault are called scholars

[ornate orchid]

YES THAT. thank you. i used clergy because they make me think of monks

[static zephyr]

They seem to be pretty small compared to the elders, though

Definitely too small for the table it takes four sky kids to open the door that room imagine how many scholars it takes

[ornate orchid]

there's a joke in there somewhere
how many scholars does it take to open a door?

[desert bobcat]

can we say that the social spaces are kinda like graveyards? cause it seems to be tombs there, just like the 4 person door in the first floor of vault, where you use telekinesis emote

[lusty merlin]

Yaya I see that too! It’s super sweet the gravestones are in social spaces to begin with! To me it shows that death in sky wasn’t treated with the same somber mournfulness as it does irl, but more seen as a bittersweet time

[ornate orchid]

also, this may be unintended by devs, but the ancestor spirits are a whole lot bigger than the sky children. have you ever sat next to the pleading kid or compared your proportions to those of the hide-and-seek spirit? the size difference is significant

[desert bobcat]

i think it is cause of the eden light cycle before the eden pollution, where the death ones ascended with the help of the megabird, which meant the world would still be as beautiful as ever

with this i mean the @lusty merlin 's msg about death being bittersweet

[half shadow]

my favorite mural got mentioned i have to post King and their fun ball

[lusty merlin]

I’d like to think that’s just how ancestors are and was intentional, if you think of auroras actual height compared to the aurora spirits shes tiny, even then ancestors are more taller than avrage to us irl

[lusty merlin]

Did you know ancestors like backflip if you follow that logic would be around 7ft if I recall?

[half shadow]

i feel like they’ve gotten a bit better with spirits meant to be seen as younger, at least much better than hide and seeker being really weirdly Large for no reason

[lusty merlin]

I know skykids are tiny compared to ancestors so it probably could be just a quirk of being differnt species

[ornate orchid]

some kids are just ridiculously tall. i'm looking directly at my 175cm-at-11-years-old classmate from elementary school

[desert bobcat]

i believe they changed hide-and-seek pioneer model once right? before she was a lot taller and had a dress-like cloth, like the tip-toing waitress

[ornate orchid]

are they different species? it never seemed that way to me at all. they have the same qualities as the ancestor spirits, in life and in death

[lusty merlin]

Ah by bittersweet I mean in sky it shows even if spirits can visit the kingdom, and this visit and talk to their loved ones, that death is still mouned and painful. Looking to Teabrewer, mindful light miner, and veterans kid and even woundful warriors

[desert bobcat]

i believe the skykids always come from the stars, not like the ancestors, which idk where they come from, and the same with the spirits, which in life i think they where born from their mother, just like humans

[lusty merlin]

Yes they’re different species confirmed by (I think by ash) but definitely one of the devs confirmed it

Same for elders too, they’re also their own species

[ornate orchid]

then skykids are an evolved species, which would explain the similarities and differences. i mean, they are ancestors after all

[desert bobcat]

i believe that spirits even having capes like us they couldnt fly like us, they always used boats, or other creatures, just like the boat that's needed in the flight season quest

i am getting here some ideas out of nowhere, just giving ideas for new theories

[lusty merlin]

Yaya I agree, capes to me are just another piece of clothing for ancestors like how masks are to me

[ornate orchid]

we learned how to fly

[desert bobcat]

but why did everyone use a mask? like every spirit has a mask, everyone except aurora's season spirits

[ornate orchid]

masks cool. the aurora spirits resemble some of aurora's looks from the music videos for the songs they represent

[lusty merlin]

personal preference, plus you have the spirit that gave us the maskless cosmetic so its not just the aurora spirits

[desert bobcat]

i believe that spirit actually wears a mask tho

[lusty merlin]

a maskless spirt that gives a maskless cosmetic and makes our skykid maskless wears a mask?

[frigid tinsel]

No they don’t. Pink cape Valley spirit is maskless

[desert bobcat]

wait a sec, i will search it up in the actual game, give me a moment to see if it is true

[ornate orchid]

some of the wasteland ancestors are maskless too, not uncommon

[desert bobcat]

i just accidentally checked the red cape spirit and yes, not every spirit wears a mask
but i believe most of them do so, is like a minority of maskless ancestors

[frigid tinsel]

Btw don’t ping me, says so in my username

[desert bobcat]

and aurora's season spirit kinda painted their faces, they are maskless spirits with some colour on their faces

[lusty merlin]

yeah exactly, so to me that implies masks to spirits are just their own personal preference, now sky kids i don't know for sure if the same rules imply

[desert bobcat]

maybe masks where kinda annoying in the battle field, some of them just didnt like to wear them, but some used them as protectios, as armored plates, just like the ones the whales and elder mantas have

mask where bothering their periferal vision, so some of them just got reed of them

[keen shore]

A lot more ancestor spirits are maskless than you’d first expect; wearing a mask seems only a bit more common than wearing a cape

[frigid tinsel]

I would say the majority of maskless spirits are basegame spirits while the majority of seasonal spirits wear masks

[desert bobcat]

it seems like skykids are more expected to wear mask for some reason

[sharp lichen]

Why not, they appear in the game, they don’t break any fundamental rules, and collaborations aren’t immune to being canon

[lusty merlin]

and we close our eyes when we are maskless which is also intersting

[frigid tinsel]

No one enforces skykids to wear masks. In fact, I’d say a significant portion of the playerbase doesn’t wear masks to no repercussions. Nothing is enforced about outfits — express yourself however you wish

[desert bobcat]

maybe is cause light can harm our little eyes?
or maybe we cant see and they act like glasses

[sharp lichen]

Valley would win due to the sheer power of speed and divorce

[lusty merlin]

i wouldn't say theyre glasses imo, i mean aurora spirts have their eyes closed and can see fine

[sharp lichen]

The question is: is it a neck, a lower lip, or a collar?

[lusty merlin]

i can see ones not directly fighting wouldnt wear masks, maybe the air is more heavier in wasteland (pollution) so they dont wear one unless necessary to get more air. I know when I wear a mask it can get stuffy after awhile, and one that were directly fighting wore them to protect their head obviously

[desert bobcat]

i really meant the first time we come to the world, we come with a mask, which is really interesting, we came capeless, but we didnt came maskless

[frigid tinsel]

Just cos we have one at default doesn’t mean we have to keep wearing one forever. It’s like hair — you don’t have to keep wearing the moth hairstyle.

Again, don’t ping me

Also it’s really hard to go capeless after first receiving winged light. If anything, it’s more enforced to have a cape than to have a mask

[lusty merlin]

ya i agree, the moth look is more like a base to me, something to build off for our sky kids to grow and discover their identity and how they want to be perceived

[desert bobcat]

sorry i forgot to get ping off

and i know you dont have to use mask or hair, is just i am curious if it has any canon meaning in coming to the world with a mask, cause hair could be more basic, almost every spirit i think has hair, but not every spirit has mask as we just talked

[frigid tinsel]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lusty merlin]

i mean most call spirts and even some background character ancestors are bald

and unless we get any hint if having a mask did mean something to skykids then ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[desert bobcat]

maybe call spirits where something like biologists, we know almost every one of then if not every one are called whisperers, maybe their job was to understand how light creatures work and how they did thing, just like a biologist

or maybe they just liked to observe the light creatures and started to mimic their sounds

[lusty merlin]

i could see that yeah, would honestly love to have seasons of seeing different ancestors doing their jobs

[desert bobcat]

we actually see the windpath forger do something it its own memory i think, and the same with the one at the island next to it

[lusty merlin]

that too builder is cool, id love to see a chef spirit one day praparing food, id LOVE to learn more about the types of food ancestors used to eat

[desert bobcat]

we only see cookie-like balls in the teaset of days of blooms and in the new picnic set of days of bloom

which we just smash on our faces (or on our masks in case you're wearing one)

[lusty merlin]

yeah that's why i want to see actual food one day, like even a bowl of soup would make me extremely happy cuz id love to see how ancestors make a bowl of soup someday

[untold notch]

haha tearful light miner reference

[pastel brook]

I hear you but..do you think it's true?!

I tried salt & pepper apple slices, would not recommend

[rigid iron]

I would!

[pastel brook]

a lil bit of life advice from good ol' Skybot: don't look directly into the Eye of Eden, kids

[crystal cape]

What’s this

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

Did you hear that? It sounded like... Oh no! A KRILL!!!

[frigid tinsel]

no it’s me with it is that deep

[sharp lichen]

Tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist Us!!!

[pastel brook]

do you think the king will return from mario world?

[half shadow]

oh my god i love tinfoil moth

[fossil field]

hey lore chat I’m new to the lore thing and I was wondering if I could ask a few questions

[sharp lichen]

Go ahead, welcome slate

[shrewd zenith]

So I know that out of boynds stuff likely isn't canon but I am absolutely convinced of the theory now that the trees in Hidden Forest are petrified/dead, likely because of the spread of darkness as well as the blast from the Edensplosion. These are the tree tops in-game. Again out of bounds so I doubt the canonicity but yeah.

[sharp lichen]

Also, the trees extend to the clouds, and why would there be leaves on the clouds?

[fossil field]

thank youuu

do we know which elders fought on each side?? cause I noticed tsadi’s shield has a sun emblem on it

and is there a list of agreed upon lore that I can look into

[frigid tinsel]

No and no 😔

[fossil field]

that’s a shame 😭

[sharp lichen]

Not exactly, but there are some hints:

1. The turquoise light things we see in the Aurora concert belong to Valley, so it’s possible they may have intervened
2. We see a sun shield in Eden

And, there is a list of agreed upon lore: https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

[fossil field]

thank you!!! I’m looking forward to learning more

[sharp lichen]

The best way to learn is to talk here and ask questions!

[fossil field]

looks like I’ll be living here then

[shrewd zenith]

Yay, new roommate

[sharp lichen]

There’s always more room here in the Mansion of Horrors!

[untold notch]

it's not the mansion of horrors anymore we branded I think it's the Cave of Silliness now

[halcyon wren]

So tiptoeing tea brewer's memory showcases strict broder crossing checkpoints. Do we think they were traveling to other realms for the herbs or simply other areas within GW?

Their spirit introduction mentions they were taught which herbs to find in each realm, so that's where my mind is.

[frigid tinsel]

more likely their town was under siege given the soldiers present so civilians' movement would be heavily restricted, hence Teabrewer evading being seen. it's unlikely that they were crossing into another realm, just trying to get somewhere out of town where they could scavenge in foliage

[rigid mural]

Dropping this here, cosmetics coming back when not extinguished anymore :]

[pastel brook]

wha.....

Don't count on it..

[static zephyr]

Hey the battle of the GW seemed to be between the GW and the VK

perhaps the people wanted the knowledge sealed within the vault or the GW sprites perhaps? 🤔

But my question is what did we learn in the VK from the Eder of the VK?
Perhaps something about the king?

[past fjord]

it is not confirmed but it is my theory on krills that they are made out of light creatures

[earnest briar]

Don't ping me several hours after I send a message, that's rude.

[past fjord]

my apologies but I was asleep. And I am only entirely explaining what I meant when you have said something to me several hours ago when I was asleep

[static zephyr]

To add onto that krill’s are light creatures turned into krill’s by dark plants forming in there souls

[earnest briar]

Krills is the plural term, Krill's is something belonging to a Krill. And its their, not there.

[past fjord]

perhaps maybe why don't you should go and check out the murals in the abyss.

[past fjord]

It should be krills are*

[desert bobcat]

i think krill doesnt have plural, i think it is like sheep and fish, isnt it?

[past fjord]

yes, perhaps

or maybe this is the krills origin

[desert bobcat]

as krill is not a name of a fictional creature we can search it up on internet

and i think it still is manta in plural too
i mean that manta doesnt have plural either

[earnest briar]

That's where we got the name, I think. Because they looked like bigger versions of irl krill.

[past fjord]

they are indeed just like shrimps after all

[desert bobcat]

their real name(or one of them since now krill is their "local" name) is dark dragons, but they dont look nothing like dragons

[cold sparrow]

Krill is only the fandom's name
the official name for these things is "dark dragon"

[past fjord]

well, it looks like a shrimp rather than a dark dragon to me ;-;

with a behavior of a cat, it zoomies everywhere they see light, just like lasers

[desert bobcat]

they deleted my msg cause i used the word mur***

[pastel brook]

this is all an enigma to me..

Are we discovering new areas because of the light we've brought back to Sky?

[cobalt palm]

An interesting find from a kind member of our group, which this channel may find interesting

While reading about Ghana textiles today, I learned about some of the traditional icons they print on fabric, and one of them is called "Nsoromma" and meand "Children of the Sky"... and it looks like the sun symbol on the shields in Golden Wasteland. 🙂
https://www.facebook.com/groups/thatskygame/permalink/898467184808549/

[wild pasture]

That can't be a coincidence... Can it?

[half shadow]

That’s sorta neat!! I would say that the sun symbol is kind of not exclusive to this reference as most sun symbols are pretty simple like this

[pastel brook]

Did you know crabs are non-flammable?

[craggy vault]

[sharp lichen]

This emote is what I see Skybot as

[cobalt palm]

Needs more peas
🟢🟢🟢🟢🟢

[keen shore]

you can’t call it the cave of silliness, that’s just the cave of prophecies when no one’s looking

[tepid veldt]

i think its the cave of prophecies even when everyone is looking

[upper sable]

Has it ever been explained why sky people wear masks?

[cold sparrow]

nope

[barren yew]

There is a theory for sky kids wearing masks if I remember correctly. It stated that they wear masks because their eyes are as bright as the sun, but I may be wrong

[untold notch]

who is to say that is not what we are

[somber moss]

Not really lore related but I noticed that when your in the area after orbit, sometimes you can still hear the hearbeat noise
Is it there to imply that yknow the skykid is literally dead?

[untold notch]

I would think if you can hear a heartbeat you are the opposite of dead

[somber moss]

OAHKSKWJDJWHSNBSNSJ
In that case what do you think is happening when you hug that other skykid after loosing all your wl? I cant really wrap my head around it

[sharp lichen]

It’s more a fashion thing, like how in Mario wears

[sharp lichen]

There’s many, MANY, theories, but here’s something to take note of:

In the final Shattering Ancient Memory, we see two Skykids hugging each other at the very top of the Eden Diamond. It counts as one WL/

[violet sable]

Permission to DM?

[rigid iron]

About what?

[violet sable]

A question about one of your YT vids

[rigid iron]

Ok then

[fossil field]

little hc/theory
in hidden forest instead of fighting in the civil war like wasteland and potentially valley what if they supplied weapons??

we see plenty of working spirits there like the apologetic lumberjack, or tearful miner, the aurora quest/concert shows dark stone being mined there, and forest mama wields a hammer so it doesn’t seem to far fetched that forest would produce things.

They’d also be able to distribute weapons, shields, or boats through the wind paths so they wouldn’t have to trespass on the others turf.
just a little idea

[sharp lichen]

I wouldn’t be surprised if Isle and Prairie distributed things like boats, light, and jars to the war

[lusty merlin]

oo yaya i can totally see that

[pastel brook]

heeheehee

[low spindle]

I adore the idea that instead of being fighters, that isle-hidden was more for the supplies

[untold notch]

I don't think flight guide would have allowed darkstone within the wind paths personally that might not be what you're talking about

[frigid tinsel]

Flight guide: state your business.
Boat captain: taking power diamond supplies to the pro-darkstone fighters.
Flight guide: …

[untold notch]

flight guide deserves to be able to bite people

[reef olive]

I just had a big revalation on the function of darkness

(I did the super big wall of text a while back on some of its properties)

I was experiementing with crabs in the golden wasteland, exposing uninfected crabs to infected crabs, to see what results would occur. Both parties were neutral towards each other, and would not interact with one of the opposite faction. I had made the connection that the darkness fungi is able to infect creatures, but I wondered, why weren’t the infected crabs able to infect the crabs without the fungi? If not creature to creature, how was the darkness spread?

This led me to a thought: what if, like sky children, all creatures have a light source that must be diminished to a certain point before they can be infected? Observing sky children in eden, only once our light sources have been dimished, do the signiature darkness particles begin to appear on our character. When we are just exposed to darkness plants or darkness infected creatures, we do not immediately become infected.

[lusty merlin]

Oo ya I had a similar idea where every creature has a certain ammount of light and darkness, darkness being the base lights builds off on. If there’s too much darkness/ too dim of light that that’s how I can see when currouptin could possibly take hold

It’s intersting how darkness acts in sky, would love to get more hints on how it works someday

[frigid tinsel]

Like our flames can melt darkness plants, light can push back darkness, but if the light isn’t strong enough then the darkness can overwhelm the light

[slow fox]

Like how the Spirits are corrupted in Eden and we use wing light to save them since it's stronger than our candles

[round parrot]

Just a note, please don't ping Alasdair, it's in their nickname

[soft ledge]

Shared Spaces Shrine Theory:
Shared spaces are actually some sort of highly advanced projector that solidifies light and project it on a 3 dimensional space using the contents of Memory Lanterns. The Vault Dwellers use this technology to build and operate the tower. This could also explain why the Vault appears to be really big on the inside.

The Space Diamond (the giant diamond that projects items) is probably capable of making pocket spaces too, which is why the Remembrance room seems to expand infinitely. The Space Diamond on the top floor is mostly likely the "Core" of the Vault, It acts as a control room and it is also being guarded by the Vault Elder.

[soft ledge]

Memory Lanterns:
Memory Lanterns are devices capable of recording a memory and projecting it on a 3d space. It can record both animate and inanimate objects but I'm not sure if it can project both at the same time. The Memory Lantern Ult Gift projects a flock Spirit Manta. Now that we've got concrete evidence, It is finally safe to say that Spirit Mantas aren't real but at the same time, they were.

Let me explain: Think of the Vault as some sort of Museum. It has all the artifacts and items kept inside it in order to preserve their culture and history. The Spirit Mantas in this world are probably extinct, which is why a memory of it has been recorded inside a Memory Lantern. The Spirit Mantas you see throughout the vault are just projections of a long extinct sub-species of Light Mantas.

Aside from Spirit Mantas though, there's another kind of Light Creature in the Vault's 5th floor. It resembles an eel with numerous rounded fins. No one knows what this is called yet, but for now it's the Spirit Eel. Just like Spirit Mantas, this creature has been extinct for a long time and is being projected on this floor to preserve it's existence.

I guess Memory Lanterns are being used to preserve the Ancestors' memories and remind them of what they've lost after the war.

[sharp lichen]

Yeah, makes you think how advanced Sky is

[misty warren]

still wondering who made skykids in the first place

[cold sparrow]

the light, probably

[sharp lichen]

We are called children of THE LIGHT

[misty warren]

LIGHT YAGAMI MADE US?!?!?

[hard island]

Yes

[hushed steeple]

So the large, blue diamond that rests atop the Vault Elevator is basically a big Shared Space projector?

[tranquil moon]

Does anyone have a fun lore fact of the day?

[atomic lava]

let me cook smth up

ok 😌 fun fact, while most spirits that give you a call are named as a whisperer of that creature, the cosmic manta call spirit is called the memory whisperer
which is a lore fact bc……. 😥
lore implications i suppose

[sharp lichen]

So Paloma used to be the wife of Tortillas…

[tranquil moon]

Ty for this new info

[tranquil moon]

Who? And who? I don't know either of those names. Unless you mean pigeon in spanish I know that xD

[sharp lichen]

It’s an inside joke sorry

I’ll dm the video it’s based on

[tranquil moon]

Okay xD

[fossil field]

idk if this belongs in lore or memes but until the devs say otherwise I am convinced Sah’s toothbrush looks like this

[untold notch]

@lusty merlin thoughts

[lusty merlin]

Yes

[untold notch]

the expert has spoken /j

[lusty merlin]

Yeah this works a little bit better more in memes but lore accurate to me in my book

They think the harder they press the cleaner their teeth will be

[untold notch]

I don't want to think about the elders having teeth actually

[fossil field]

that’s actually a little terrifying now that I think abt it

[lusty merlin]

But my sharp teef hc :(( /lh

[fossil field]

do all the elders have sharp teeth in your hc or just the twins??

[lusty merlin]

Yaya all of them! (though somtimes I forget to draw them ) just a lil spice to their designs

[fossil field]

I like that

[desert bobcat]

i have a question that was in my head since one or 2 days ago

are both valley twins male or there is a male twin and a female twin?

i always thought it was both male since someone said they thought one was female

(idk if this belongs here)

[untold notch]

none gender left beef

[fossil field]

it’s up to your interpretation, they’re whatever you’d like them to be.

no one’s version is more right or wrong than the other (that’s what I remember being told)

[untold notch]

there's a ktjn screenshot I could post for this one moment

[desert bobcat]

i mean, forest elder really looks like a strong lady, who doesnt need a man to be happy or to help her

[untold notch]

outdated nickname but. yeah

[frigid tinsel]

Everyone in Sky is canonically agender, like dev confirmed, so it’s best to refer to them all with they/them pronouns

[desert bobcat]

makes sense

[half shadow]

technically, according to canon dev word, nothing in Sky has a strict gender. the concept of strict male or female doesnt necessarily exist, and every spirit is referred to as they/them, a gender neutral pronoun. you can check the character cards from spirits of past seasons for an example of those pronouns being used even outside of the game. so, lots of people stuck to using those pronouns. others tend to assume a spirit is male or female based on how they look

[untold notch]

I'm leaving it there so you don't have like three people piling on about this

[half shadow]

sometimes weirdos come out when this topic is brought up sadly

[frigid tinsel]

Transphobes, usually

[untold notch]

yeah I'm just coming from a point of like I know those were all separate responses but when you get three from different people it can get Overwhelming and I want to try to not do That

[fossil field]

I know sky kids and ancestors are different races (species?? Idk), are elders different from the two also?? or are they just special ancestors?

[frigid tinsel]

Either the Elders and ancestors are different or Elders are to ancestors like elder mantas are to mantas

[fossil field]

okay thank youu

[left scaffold]

Does anyone know of any good lore overviews I can show to my friend, like YouTube videos or something like that? I’ve played for a while and I feel like I’ve got a good idea of most of it, but it’s hard to explain to someone who has no idea about what’s going on in cutscenes and murals

[frigid tinsel]

Baud made a lore basics google doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit
But that’s about all I trust. There’s been some general write-ups in this channel I could dig up, like my own about darkstone technology being the downfall of the ancestors’ kingdom: #lore-discussion-spoilers message
but as expected they’re rather buried in the channel.

A lot of Sky lore is up to interpretation thus intentionally vague, however there are a lot of in-game clues you can use to piece together a story

[left scaffold]

Thank you! That’s really helpful, I’ve never been good at explaining game lore

[frigid tinsel]

One thing my own write up doesn’t talk about is the war, which is it’s whole thing

[sharp lichen]

There are YouTube videos, but they only talk about theories instead of actual coldhard facts

[fossil field]

@lusty merlin I noticed in valley that the tombs in the social area are different than the ones in the colosseum and race areas. Instead of being painted gold they’re blue. could it be social class related? Any ideas why it’s like that??

I also noticed that when you get close to The Twins graves their eyes light up

[lusty merlin]

OO i'd like to think it's to help decorate them better and blend in more well with the surrounding building. Valley is definitely the one to show off from any of the realms. Only other time ive'e seen gold used on a grave is on the ones in the 8 player door. (gold jewelry almost)
I wouldn't say it's a social class difference, i personally feel like since valley is accented with so much gold that why not decorate the graves too, make them stand out than blend in.

[fossil field]

OH I LIKE THAT i can imagine the twins planning out the perfect grave colours

[wild pasture]

Also, those ones are in doors, protected from the elements. Makes sense the decoration would have worn off the ones in the social space, since they're outdoors, exposed to the elements at all times (as opposed to only when the doors open for the others).

[lusty merlin]

yaya! i can totally imagine gravestones and boats with such an array and colors before they feel into disrepair

[slate saffron]

Sky: children of the light

[tepid veldt]

yup, thats us

[round parrot]

They use it to bite people

[slate saffron]

The elders are a lot like beluga whales when it comes to teeth

It's alot like being bitten by wet straw

It's un-baleen-able

[pastel brook]

Nonsense!

[sharp lichen]

Esnesnon!

[pastel brook]

Nice one!

[sharp lichen]

Interesting how they light up in blue, and when you complete the cutscene they turn yellow. Now where have we seen that before

[pastel brook]

Nice one!

[keen shore]

A fun Elder Statue fact is that almost all the elder statues’ eyes glow blue when you light the candles that start the meditation circle, and then after you finish the cutscene, they turn yellow as whatever mechanism that allows you to progress forward is activated.

The two exceptions to this rule are Dawn and Night’s statues. Dawn’s does not glow blue before the cutscene starts, but their statue’s eyes glow yellow after it finishes. Night’s does not glow blue to start with either, although since we ‘wake up’ somewhere completely different afterwards, we have no way of knowing if theirs glows yellow after as well.

Speculating why Dawn and Nights’ statues don’t glow blue beforehand is always interesting to figure out. For Dawn, I would guess it’s because we sort of reconstruct their face, including their eyes, when we give them flame. For Night, I have no idea. There is visible damage to their face but only around one eye; they aren’t entirely destroyed.

[pastel brook]

have you considered how the moon phase affects this?

[keen shore]

The blue unlit and yellow lit color palette is really interesting since it mirrors darkstone’s phases. You could take this to mean there’s darkstone inside the elder statues that contains a bit of their light and that’s how we reach them; I also like to think it’s a small visual clue to them being trapped inside the Diamond

[pastel brook]

and thats all for todays episode!

[lusty merlin]

eats this eazts ths eats this eeats this eats this eats this

[frigid tinsel]

there’s darkstone inside the Elder statues that contains a bit of their light

[lusty merlin]

HELP

[untold notch]

isn't there like zero darkstone in isle like none Whatsoever

[frigid tinsel]

Boogie Kid island

[lusty merlin]

Thinking of the desire paths for the realms, if you don’t know: desire paths are basically paths carved out by people, think of a dirt path in the grass showing use overtime even when there’s a paved bath beside it

Anyways rhe desire paths for the realms are intersting

Isle seems like a lot of moths stood there or went in a circle trying to work the courage to see what lies beyond

Prarie looks like a run and diving head first as the player is more comfortable

Forest seems to be a back and fourth, hesitant if to go or not, (maybe from the rain)

Valley and wasteland is super cool as they’re a fork, seeming to look like players can’t decide which one to go, let valley is shown to be most consistent and used path with a curve, maybe because of being able to decide if they wanna go there or wasteland. While wasteland seem’ to be less used

Vaults path is like the thinnest throughout, straight ahead

Sorry I went on a little rabbit hole of desire paths a few days ago and started thinking when I noticed these

[keen shore]

♦️ 💬

[lusty merlin]

NOOO HELP

[slate saffron]

Life could be dream
Life could be dream

[slate saffron]

Lord of the flies

[sharp lichen]

And Earth Trial

And probably flying boats

[sterile orchid]

where is the dark stone in the earth trial..? I know there's diamonds to open a few 'doors' (moving stone slabs into the air) but i swear they glow Earth's shade of green not blue or yellow like dark stone is

[hexed silo]

this is so cool

[keen shore]

This is really out there but Wonder if the fork between valley and wasteland is a reference to how intertwined those two realms used to be

[lusty merlin]

yeah cuz i was thinking that too

[sterile orchid]

that makes the most sense, i doubt that sky kids are the only people who have ever used the home area & portals. There is a portal to Home at the end of Vault at least, as well as numerous statues, can't really think of why anyone would make these statues designed to bring you somewhere else, only for them to not be used by anyone until a child falls from the sky

[untold notch]

if I wasn't busy I'd go in there and take pictures of the braziers at the entrance

[half shadow]

are the isle boats not darkstone?

[frigid tinsel]

it's less a portal and more like a statue we can meditate in front of. there's one in Forest boneyard and Wasteland battlefield too

[sharp lichen]

They had to be

[sterile orchid]

the only time i mentioned a portal in that message is for the ones in Home and the one that brings you back to Home at the end of vault

[shy sphinx]

What if its not your skykids' heart beat but the heartbeat of eden? 👀 Dunno if it makes sense but the red stone is technically the heart of eden? And the sound you hear from it gets closer when you reborn because the heart of eden is embracing your skykid to be one of the statues there (?)
Sorry if it doesn't make sensee

[untold notch]

... where do we even see boats in isle?

because if it's just in like runaway I'm Hesitant because the bags in the boats are all the assembly prop bags

[sterile orchid]

there's a few scattered around, wrecked and buried in the sand. there's also one in the [point emote spirit] memory but there's really no way to tell how it's floating

[frigid tinsel]

oh thought you meant this Home statue

[sterile orchid]

i didn't even know that was there

[sharp lichen]

Pointing Candlemaker’s memory and the Switch trailer, to name a few

[inland cliff]

im starting to think that isle of dawn and golden wasteland isn’t a part of the “Sky kingdom”
Basically they’re not located in the clouds, rather the surface. They’re isolated dunes ,have shores surrounding them ,and in GW we can clearly see clouds above us. As for forgotten arc , the ship that deliver us isn’t a common boat, rather than a flying ship, so its likely they’re located on the clouds surface, also maybe abyss map lies somewhere around the wrecked ship. I like to think that when war ended in gw, the other elder banished the land to the surface since its now completely polluted, same thing with isle

Im still keeping this even though it refute all theories ever existed and even the canon one