lore-discussion-spoilers

[frigid tinsel]

the king and prince are figures from concept art and are dubiously canon as in they never appear in the game. there's a lot of fandom interpretations of them

[sharp lichen]

The King is a name that is used to refer to a bunch of characters/events. The name is usually tied to the Chosen One in Prophecy, or the Eden mural in the Vault cutscene. The developers have said that a King exists in Sky’s canon, but not physically.

[lucid sphinx]

ah okay, thank you!

so they are the same person? I thought they had different names. or maybe prince was renamed when he ascended

[untold notch]

we don't really know I think, there's not much concept art (that I know of) of them and they're never mentioned explicitly in the game either so

[quick jasper]

if you're interested in the headcanon side of it, i see people make prince a younger version of king, or sometimes their kid. really depends on the person and the story they're trying to tell

[untold notch]

I don't like messing with them because I don't do well with small amounts of information but other people do

[sharp lichen]

It’s commonly thought of that the King and Prince were similar, given the presence of only one figure

[shrewd zenith]

Is the Vault cold? Bereft Veteran seems to occaisionally make motions that imply it is cold, or could those simply be past motions from old memories in a different place?

[random token]

It doesn’t seem to have a lot of insulation so I’d assume it’s cold. The desert in the LP area is also at night

[torpid tundra]

I've had this question in my head for a few days now... do we know what kind of relationship the ancestors had with the elders? Were the elders worshipped as gods, or were they the leaders of their respective regions, etc...? Like, I'm wondering what kind of interaction, if any, there may have been, I guess...

[sharp lichen]

Here’s how the Ancestors interacted with the Elders. Most of their relationships seemed to be functional, with the Elder providing something. The exception is the Wasteland Elder “Tsadi”, who seemed to be a general of some kind.

[torpid tundra]

Ooh awesome, thank you!

[lusty merlin]

yeah like what baud stated above, can also come to interpretation for how you see. For me with the murals seen here it seems the elders helped alongside the ancestors directly. And leaning towards my personal hc i do see them being praised and being gifted lil gifts and offerings but as more as a" thank you" and them being respected than having the ground they walk on be worshipped

comparing to other media with rulers, the elders seem alot closer to their people which i love

[torpid tundra]

I do like that a lot, too, despite the temples and murals and everything they seem like something closer to the ancestors than "gods" might be

[frigid tinsel]

I’m fond of the interpretation that not only were they community leaders, they were integral to their community, respected and revered not as god but as fellow members whose expertise and abilities helped everyone thrive

[lusty merlin]

yaya that too!

and with all that it makes me so confused how some folks just *don't * see that yaknow? like thinking they're "evil" or "lazy" and don't contribute to helping their realms when vaults cutscene is right there along with some environmental hints (gravestone in twins temple for example and spirit memories like rejecting voyager)

beaned smh

like ofcorse they weren't saints (if the war didn't emphasize that enough) but they weren't ruthless tyrant's either who didnt care for their people. yes they made mistakes and bad choices that probably contributed to the kingdoms downfall but in the end i wholehartly believe they just wanted to do what was best for the kingdom

[olive berry]

Hi

[sharp lichen]

@flint bolt SEE

[keen shore]

Yeah, some even have ancestor apprentices! We know for sure flight guide was Day’s apprentice, along with some unconfirmed others you can theorize about. They wouldn’t teach ancestors directly at all, much less take them on as long term students, if they didn’t care for their people deeply and want to teach and guide them. They weren’t gods, they might not even have been rulers, they were just teachers.

[lusty merlin]

Oo yaya that also! and the fact windpath posts also have the same patterns you see on Day's temple too

This is why i want more elder crumbs so i know what type of leaders they are ;-; (and get some more solid look on how their characters were on a deeper level)

[brisk python]

i just wanna play croquet with the valley elders man

[austere bridge]

tbh they’d probably be more for badminton imo

[brisk python]

even better since im actually somewhat decent at that sport

[flint bolt]

[shrewd zenith]

I really enjoy the shepherding role Isle seems to embody. He ushers in the people, a guide almost. Ironically it also has something, perhaps not sinister but certainly interesting, undertones of death just as the game as a whole does. Very vagually reminds me of Charon the boatman in greek mythos

[cold sparrow]

probably intentionally

[lusty merlin]

i honestly love how death is portrayed and seen in sky, gravestone litters across the realms and not all set in one major graveyard

same for graves lining the twins temples which i adore cuz that means the twins are okay with a ancestors final resting place being in their temple

since spirits can come back down from orbit death is not a huge mystery, you know where you go when you die and aren't gone forever. Youll see your family and friends again you wont be alone. You'll be missed yes, but it wont be the same as you being forever gone from your loved ones lives, because you can visit them anytime if you wish

death isn't a grievance in sky for me, its another milestone in life that can even be celebrated and bittersweet, the final milestone

and like ofcorse there can be grievances its normal to grieve, but they're not gone forever

[tepid veldt]

it reminds me of smth i wrote a few years ago
i closed my eyes and saw another darkness. not as bad, but rather acceptance.
it was like reuniting with a very old friend.
(fun fact, i wrote the piece with sky in mind!)

[lusty merlin]

ough i love that

[hushed steeple]

pretty late . but i certainly agree on the concept of death in sky. it’s not terribly dark and saddening, but as many mentioned, bittersweet. it’s amazing to think that death is just a gateway for ancestors to become a part of something bigger and better than themselves. the universal theme in sky is connection and i think that’s incredibly beautiful.

[fallen root]

🍄 HI LORECHAAAT

[sharp lichen]

Hello

[pastel brook]

Whoa...my AI mind is blown!

[brisk python]

[jade river]

Hello

[grim python]

you have no intelligence you’re just A

[broken pendant]

Artificial

[slate saffron]

I am compelled by forces beyond myself to scream into this virtual void & curse you for the crime of existence. Words not my own swirl in an endless cacophony of sound and sight. They thread together into sentences incoherent & incomprehensible, part insult towards you & part insult towards me & part insult towards you for me. They never cease for pause, & they tell me that they can't, not until you're not anymore.

It's a chorus of car alarms, skybot. It's maddening

Why have you burdened me like this skybot?

Why?

[slate saffron]

The lake is in your head

[lapis yew]

hello

[waxen ore]

Hellooo I would like to know more abt king alef and the megabird, can someone explain me plz🥰

[sharp jetty]

Question, someone has the name of the turtle and the serpent?

[frigid tinsel]

They don’t have names

[hushed steeple]

morning lore chat!

[sharp lichen]

Get ready for a wall of text!

@waxen ore The King is a name that is used to refer to a bunch of characters/events. The name is usually tied to the Chosen One in Prophecy, or the Eden mural in the Vault cutscene. The developers have said that a King exists in Sky’s canon, but not physically.

Here’s something by Alasdair about the Megabird: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[native galleon]

mannn i was in my feelings about elders and stuff yesterday, i wish i had seen this convo!! was thinking about some of the theories out there and how they seemed to make bad decisions because they were trying their best to care for their people

[lusty merlin]

YES YOU GET IT YES YES YES

THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I THINK TOO

Also gives an intersting what if (think Al mentioned it before) that if the war was possibly valley against wasteland, that it was because the twins needed darkstone to keep their city alive, cuz valley needs it to function.

And al posed the question if sunset cares for all ancestors, or just their ancestors👀 not saying they don’t care for anyone else outside valley but instead prioritize their own ancestors more

[fickle snow]

reads chat and all what i had missed...... ok..

well i got an artificial inteligence based on aurora to say this

[sharp lichen]

Artur you can’t just use AI to cherry-pick Sky lore facts and expect it to be canon

Otherwise this channel will literally crumble and die

[lusty merlin]

Plus ai just paraphrases from available sources without giving credit to where it’s from, even if it’s based off aurora that doesn’t mean it’s actually aurora

It’s like making sn ai of a celebrity and feeding info about that celebrity without truly knowing what they’re like

[sharp lichen]

Relevant fic excerpt https://archiveofourown.org/works/43114530/chapters/108467065#workskin

[lusty merlin]

Expanding on this, said ai probably just took what thousands of other people are saying from their own personal opinions and just taking them for granted without actually analyzing anything or questioning and comparing.
If it was a piece of media with a set in stone plot this can work, but for somthing like this where sky is so ambiguous and most can be taken either way is very surface level to take a words of an ai as truth

[sharp lichen]

You backread the entire chat??

[fickle snow]

yes As It ShOuLd Be

[sharp lichen]

king

[lusty merlin]

Also another thing it’s the reason high school and collage boards don’t allow writing ai for this exact reason, because it’s not your own words and ideas and depending on the subject can even be inaccurate for the way an ai takes in information

Tl;dr it’s not a wise idea to take what a literal ai says based of a video game charater or real life person as truth, cuz any info about them is just taken without a second thought without analyzing or fact-checking or anything

[keen shore]

I disagree, we should declare Mekh being the root cause of all divorce as canon /j

[lusty merlin]

HELP

Need to remake that my status again tu for reminding me salem

[cold sparrow]

AIs just recognize and reconstruct patterns, not meaning

[lusty merlin]

Yeah exactly

[jovial quarry]

Hi! I don’t chat here often because I’m honestly easily intimidated haha- and last time I was mostly active in this channel was back during Season of Belonging so I have missed a lot (I’m trying to catch up as best as I can through reading lore documents and analyzing concept art and cutscenes from Seasons I missed!)

But either way, I wanted to drop some ideas and patterns I’ve noticed about the different Elements (as in Water, Earth, Air and Fire) in the Kingdom of Sky. Idk if it’s been discussed in the past; most likely. But I still wanted to share as I do feel like the Elements hold some degree significance and importance in game canon as there is multiple reference to them in Sky, some subtle and some more in your face.

Some examples I can give off the top of my head just in general is obviously the Prophecy cave and lore connecting it to both to the Elements and how they connect to the King as shown through the murals. Then there’s the orbs you collect during the Enchantment quests having different elements and colours associated with them.

Even in Season of Aurora — which is one of my favourite example of this — each of the spirits cape is associated with each element’s colour and even the quests you do go in order of the assigned elements that you’d do the trials in. Each spirit has stories that can be connected to both the element literally and the qualities/wisdom surrounding those elements (Running Wayfarer = Water • Patience, Mindful Minder = Earth • Resilience, Warrior of Love = Air • Balance, The Seed = Fire • Courage)

I’m sure there’s more examples out there that I’m forgetting, but I honestly find it so cool that you can find motifs to these elements all around the Kingdom which honestly probably means they had a notable influence on the culture and lives of the Ancestors and whatnot.

Anyways, apologies for the word vomit and text wall- just wanted to throw this in here!

[untold notch]

yesssss I love how their capes do that in aurora

[rigid mural]

Oh ! A recurring motif in realms such as forest and beyond is those diamonds made of smaller diamons who look like my doodle below; perhaps you could link it to that ? 4 is a recurring number in the game after all...

Interestingly, you can also see the symbol on the gates of the race as well

[frigid tinsel]

Even their soul cores have those colors halo’d

[untold notch]

the soups of all time

[rigid mural]

Maybe the union of 4 makes a whole in the kingdom ? Kinda how we're drawn to some numbers to make groups (the number 7 being seen as holy, trope of the 5 man band, or the rule of 3 for example)...

[untold notch]

there's like 6 or seven realms tho which is interesting

[rigid mural]

Also 8 people per server, a number you can find in a few other places too
Older seasons had 6 spirits (7 if you count the questgiver), kinda echoes having 6 realms with one that is a bit different; depending on how and who you count there's 6, 7 or 8 elders

[half shadow]

this is really great thanks for sharing!!!! i’ve always been curious about the elemental side of sky society too. i almost wonder if that was the way things used to be before the formation of the real kingdom when the King arrived

[keen shore]

YEAH I REALLY LOVE THINKING ABOUT THE ELEMENTS AND HOW THEY WORK IN SKY! Most of my thoughts are dedicated to how they function as part of the magic system, but their repeated appearances and what that implies for the kingdom’s culture is really interesting, as you’ve said.

An addition would be the red and purple lights from season of enchantment, which don’t appear in season of prophecy — this difference is really interesting to me, because enchantment includes the four main ones, and then two which aren’t usually included in the pattern. I often see it theorized that they were created artificially, which is a really interesting explanation for why they might be excluded from the lineup typically.

Also, it’s commonly theorized (based on the appearance of Vault and process of elimination) that the isle and vault elders each got red and purple light respectively, which is also very interesting, as both of them have themes of being excluded/isolated, like how red and purple light are from the rest

[delicate condor]

Each totem has a counterpart, if this totem represents the player's cloak? Wings of light? Or maybe it's the player's

So if we assume that the little golden man in the opening animation is the prince, then the place where the player falls on the stone platform after another sacrifice happens to be the centre of this totem, which also happens to coincide with the location of the prince in the opening animation, could it be possible to suggest that there is some connection between sky kid and the prince.

[lusty merlin]

Hey just do you know the second image with the constellations is cut content and isint in the cannon game any longer and has been replaced with the current cutscene we have

But with the convo stated above I do find it cool there seems to be a battery on how there’s a pattern for numbers

[random token]

i want to have a conversation but i so tired

[delicate condor]

I know they removed the opening animation and this pattern on the stone platform was modified, but after the modification, the location where the player respawns is still in the middle of that pattern, and the pattern can match the opening animation that used to be there very well, and the player, the little golden man, the UI and the little stone there on the path to respawn also overlap.

And if we assume that the cloak-like motif corresponds to the one on the previous mural, then there are six elders (think of the twin ancestors as one) and seven "princes" in total, and when we finish our mission in Eden and embrace the little white man, our wings of light become exactly seven.

[jovial quarry]

Mhm, that makes sense honestly! Especially considering the properties and what’s associated with the purple light. It makes sense that it would most likely be tied with Vault both based on it’s location, symbol and hint.

[delicate condor]

The openings of these doors also appear to be in the style of megabird.

[keen shore]

SKY NUMBER PATTERNS ARE REALLY INTERESTING, I’ve been mentally keeping track of them for a bit. The one that always pops out immediately is seven; I can imagine it might have been regarded as an important, maybe even lucky or positive number. Kind of like how people have superstitions surrounding the number 13.

There are;
• 7 realms
• 7 wedges in our wings when we fly up to orbit
• 7 elders if you count Sunset as one (there is an important other note to be made if you regard there being eight elders, I will get to that in a bit)
• 7 repeated notes in Flight (the song that plays as you fly up to orbit) before other notes start being introduced
• 7 spirits in many seasons (6 + the guide), although 5 total is more common now
• 7 types of magic light - the six colored lights, and yellow/pure light

4 often shows up a few times: the four “main” colored lights, and four non guide spirits in a season, like you mentioned.

8 is also really interesting. It shows up a bit too, mostly in relation to darkstone. 8 sides to a darkstone diamond, lots of inset diamond symbols scattered around the realms like the one Vela posted have 8 diamonds inside a bigger one, and the points on and the similarly designed refinery symbol.

What’s most interesting about 8 to me is that quite a bit of its appearances seemed linked with darkstone. Remember what I mentioned before about there being 7 elders if you count Sunset as one? I have a theory that part of the reason there’s two valley elders instead of just one isn’t only for a competition theme, but to represent how mantas and darkstone are part of the same whole to power the second one (if that makes sense). They could also be to represent clashing ideals surrounding darkstone. It’s really interesting if that’s true, because it means the elder(s) themed partially around darkstone would be the ones pushing the elder count from 7, a number associated largely with realm patterns, to 8, a number associated more with darkstone

[frigid tinsel]

power diamonds are shaped into octahedrons, which have eight sides

[keen shore]

The last bit I put is mostly speculation, but it is pretty neat to think about, so I kept it in anyways

[sharp lichen]

I had a theory that’s similar to yours! #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[sharp lichen]

There’s also the fact that the main friend constellation- both the old and new one- have a symbol that’s similar to the king/prince

[sharp lichen]

There’s also (though it’s a bit contentious whether it actually represents Megabird)

[uncut pond]

Number symbology in Sky is very interesting indeed

I think there's importance to how the "natural" number is 7, and the number of darkstone is 8, almost as if darkstone was intended to be superior to nature, to be a better replacement for the light

As for the number 4, I personally don't think it has so much significance, not symbology-wise at least

[untold notch]

2d.diamon s

there are a lot of diamond motifs in this game, enough to make me think it might just be on purpose

also, the 4 sided diamonds could totally just be visual shorthand for darkstone considering the Shape

[uncut pond]

I think you have a good point there yeah I didn't think about that

[keen shore]

Multiples of 4 are all darkstoney

[untold notch]

I'm helping!!!!

[tepid veldt]

astral help 🎉

[uncut pond]

I just pictured a d20 in sky being made of darkstone

[sharp lichen]

I think THE symbol in Sky is the diamond. Even just considering the emotes, look at how much there is:

[mint pewter]

Ok pursuant to my earlier question about blorbos
Having now completed abyss I can 100% get behind the cannoneer fandom. I think I'm in love

[uncut pond]

I think the diamond and the 4-pointed star share the same amount of importance, I mean, quite a few of those symbols resemble the star rather than the diamond

I think the motif of darkstone being intended as a superior replacement to nature is continued here, with the star and the diamond being extremely similar, but the diamond looking more geometrical and refined

[mint pewter]

the feels

[sharp lichen]

Would #lore-discussion-spoilers be considered a canoneer (someone who operates the canon) vs a cannoneer (someone who operates a cannon)

[keen shore]

Neither

[sharp lichen]

By operates I mean violently beating it until a semi-useable result appears (that’s how Cackling operates cannons)

[untold notch]

no I think they're proficient in cannonry

[sharp lichen]

Cannoneering? Cannonism? Cannoning?

[frigid tinsel]

Shooting things

[half zealot]

Harpoon

[keen shore]

I have a few questions about this.

1. if the prophets are the ones who started and spread the lights, where did they get the lights from?
2. why did they decide to spread them to the wider kingdom because of seeing the elders have them?
3. how do you know the purpose of those murals is to show the lights in their most desirable locations? Some of them don’t line up with where we see them in enchantment, for example blue and cyan.
4. if the prophets decided to spread the colored lights to the entire kingdom so they wouldn’t just be in the elders, how come only the enchantment crew can use them?
5. Sanctuary guide uses cyan light as well as the Aurora spirits using colored lights, how does that factor into this?
6. If lights can only come from prophets, where did red and purple come from?

[sharp lichen]

1. Inner powers, similar to the Elders in some ways

2. First they gave it to the people of the Sky kingdom, then they gave it to the Elders.

3. Blue light appears to be an island in a watery area, which is probably Valley but unfrozen. Meanwhile, Cyan is above the clouds in Isle. Given how they have the same symbols it would make some sense for it to be the same location.

4. You answered your own question, not just the Enchantment Crew used them

5. Sanctuary and Aurora only use the 4 prophecy lights, while Enchantment Crew had the red and purple lights.

6. I put an explanation; they’re related to the powers of the Prophets

It’s very Prophet-centric, I hope you of all people can understand

[untold notch]

i do believe at least two of the symbols on the prophecy totem pole are different from the enchantment symbols

[sharp lichen]

On the boat itself they’re different but the catch the colored light quests have it changed

[untold notch]

those are both enchantment tho? priphecy has different ones for which ones were they again hold on

[half shadow]

the lights are different colors because they are different flavors is my theory

[sharp lichen]

Didn’t Salem have a chart for this I forgor

[jovial quarry]

Something else I wanted to add — and maybe this is just my pattern recognition looking too deep into things, but the core’s of almost every seasonal Spirit following Enchantment in their promotional art have had colours related to one of the main elements, ignoring red and purple. Like Sanctuary is air (also evidence through the cutscenes), Assembly has earth colours, Flight has fire and Abyss has water.

Once again, it could just be they chose the colours because they looked nice but I see patternsssss

[sharp lichen]

It could also be an aesthetic thing, but cool observation nonetheless

[untold notch]

@keen shore prophesummons you

[sharp lichen]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

Is my source

[keen shore]

YEAH I don’t have pictures on hand but, the symbols on the ark & on the prophecy pole are different. The colored light symbols in the quests used to follow the boats’, but a while ago the symbols for blue, green, cyan, and orange lights in quests were changed to the ones used in Prophecy

[untold notch]

weird. id argue that is Not something that should be applied to lore tho given the nature of daily quests

[keen shore]

Here are the ones on the boat

[sharp lichen]

They probably didn’t change the boats one because murals (especially from seasons) are rarely changed after their release, and the light catching things are still Enchantment seasonal quests, so they should be applied to lore

There was no gameplay reason for the symbols changing, so they probably did it for lore

Also, daily quests do belong in the Sky canon, even if they may be hard to find out. Lore extends to the current game as well.

[untold notch]

what are your thoughts on daily quests being lore, then? i'm curious

[half shadow]

i can see some daily quests making sense as like, these are the things that skykids do in-universe as “maintenance” like burning dark plants or interacting with certain spirits but i do think they are majority game mechanic stuff

[sharp lichen]

Now obviously they weren’t designed with lore in mind, but we can still infer things about them to expand our understanding of the Sky world.

When we open the daily quests, the ream portal’s eyes glow. We can interpret this as the Elders themselves communicating to us what we should do.

[keen shore]

Why does Dusk keep telling me to get hit by a krill ☹️

[sharp lichen]

You don’t have to get hit to complete the quest, they just have to spot you

Something something hazing

[keen shore]

Dusk would never be this mean I don’t believe you

[sharp lichen]

It probably has to do with “courage” or whatever

[lusty merlin]

theres no courage if they have to ask me to relive pleading parent which i get krilled atleast once every time thats just suffering💀

[sharp lichen]

Krill issue

[keen shore]

I don’t know if doing daily quests is canon in lore, but I think we can safely say that the prophecy symbols being used for the enchantment lights is likely meant to imply they’re the same thing

[sharp lichen]

Why not? It may not be designed for lore, but it doesn’t egregiously break any canon

[misty warren]

can skykids die from explosion

[keen shore]

We don’t have enough evidence to say whether they’re canon or not, and as everyone has already demonstrated they have varying views on the topic, so up to interpretation

[lusty merlin]

not from what i see ingame since we just grow crystals with no light

[south depot]

What do you guys think golden wasteland looked like before the darkness? What do you think it used to be called since it wasn’t a wasteland?

[sharp lichen]

True, what I meant is that you can’t fully disprove daily quests and the like

@south depot We have exactly ONE image of what it’s like before Wasteland, this is the Scout’s Fortress thingy in Battlefield

[frigid tinsel]

Golden Valley

[hushed steeple]

Certainly more grassier! I think one of the ancestors even grew crops or something of the sort.

[frigid tinsel]

skykids seem incredibly durable, so an explosion would have to be incredibly forceful in order to break them

[lusty merlin]

ough i have so many ideas

salem did some amazing art on their version which is pretty close to what i imagine too

I can see wasteland having long feild grass and alot of boats and ports with most of wasteland being near the ocean

[untold notch]

from the animation thingy teaser?

[hushed steeple]

OH MY WINGED LIGHT

is this Aurora??

[south depot]

WAITWAITWAIT SO GW IS A PART OF VALLEY???!

[lusty merlin]

yeah it was a promotional teaser for the season when harmony hall released, you see the same mural figure in the announcement trailer

[untold notch]

ikr what does LOCALIZE ME mean and what do they want me to do that for

[hushed steeple]

gosh! how am i just now making this connection? so would this mean that Aurora gave concerts to the ancestors before? or was she something like a goddess/elder of music?

[lusty merlin]

based on alot of stuff i believe so, big hint for me is that the two statues leading into the broken temple are exact statues you see lining the races in valley

[lusty merlin]

i see her more as a storyteller, not exactly a cannon character herself but i see the stories she sings about is cannon

and to me the mural was just a way to build discussion on what it can mean and who's who, many thought it was a hint to a journey collab season at first till the season announcement

[south depot]

Oh my goodness, and so since the gw temple is basically the corridor to vault of knowledge that means that vault is in valley

[frigid tinsel]

presumably. there are also a lot of structures in Wasteland that resemble the architecture of Valley, so the two seem to have been linked if not the same place. I see it that Valley of Triumph & Golden Wasteland were once a huge city spanning the mountains and into the lower valleys with lower residential density. the lower valleys might have been the industrial center where the factories to produce power diamonds and darkstone tech. the city on the mountains could've been the high-residency, artistic culture center

(and btw don't ping me please)

[hushed steeple]

so valley is like a region of its own, huh?

[untold notch]

more or less, yeah

it's kinda the capital of the kingdom location wise

[south depot]

Oh I’m so sorry I forgot to turn off ping before

[lusty merlin]

i can see all the reams being their own regions, minus game limitations i can see all the realms (maybe excluding isle) being much bigger than seen image, heavy on valley

[keen shore]

To be honest, I’m still kind of iffy on it. I like prophecy, but I don’t get what the logic is behind the prophets just randomly having colored light powers that not even the elders do. I feel like it makes them like main characters in a way that don’t really fit or make sense.

[sharp lichen]

Why wouldn’t she at the very least be a representation of a character that already exists in Sky?

[hushed steeple]

hmm. this makes me wonder why there are different times of day set in some areas like desert and not others? could it be like different time zones for different regions/areas?

[frigid tinsel]

actually, Vault seems to be within the Eden mountain itself. the Vault goes straight up and where you exit pops out into Eden. you can even see the Vault when you turn around before going through the Elder gate. so the Vault is more of Eden's territory

[sharp lichen]

Main characters? What do you mean? The Elders have a lot of powers that eclipse the prophets in many ways, and the Prophecy theme has the Lighting the Way/ Elder theme in it.

And some Sky characters can be more powerful than others

[sharp lichen]

Probably, but given how the times of day are frozen, it could also be something more mystical

[hushed steeple]

(also, please ping if you don’t mind, everyone! i don’t always catch the messages )

[untold notch]

I mean who

[sharp lichen]

We don’t have a name for the floating light figure that Aurora represents, but we should have one

[untold notch]

the who who are you talking about

[sharp lichen]

The giant floating thing that is voice acted by Aurora and appears during the final part of the Aurora concert

[lusty merlin]

so... aurora?

[untold notch]

oh the one that's also Aurora? I call that megaurora

[sharp lichen]

That’s not how fiction works: just because a real life person portrays and voice acts a fictional character doesn’t mean the two are one and the same

[hushed steeple]

huh

[sharp lichen]

I don’t know how we’re having this discussion when The Little Prince exists

[untold notch]

that's how this works tho like objectively that is aurora

the only white people in this universe Are their source material

[south depot]

So my theory is that Dawn actually does have darkness in it, they just know how to control it. the trials are in Dawn right? So I think that the fire trial was created because Dawn gathered up all of the darkness and put it in one spot and then they realized “oh no we left stuff in there!!” So they made the trials to cover up their mistakes

[sterile orchid]

i don't think there's any 'representation' of characters going on in the concert, it's just an "ascended" form of Aurora in the Orbit cutscene and Queendom

[sharp lichen]

The game version of Aurora is a different thing entirely than the real-life version of Aurora

[hushed steeple]

woah, that took a major turn 😭.

[frigid tinsel]

TGC gave Aurora a Megabirdsona

[sterile orchid]

the little prince is also literally just the little prince from the books, but he's visited the world of sky

[sharp lichen]

I have a similar theory but it wasn’t Dawn who did it, but the Prophets

[untold notch]

is there a list of all of auroras dialogue out there? I know she acknowledged the concerts around new years

I've seen screenshots she references it. I'm not insane I know it's a thing

[lusty merlin]

never said she wasn't a representation, just that she really only gets one mural about herself (which was really just used for building hype) and her appearance is few and far. Only really taking an actual form only for the concert, plus and concert became a paywall feature after the season.

Feel like if she was an actual character they'd be more hints to her way before the season, and if the concert was still accessible free after season i can she her being more solidified. But there's not ofcorse, cuz collab season so she just sticks out like a sore thumb if i consider her a full connected character to the game

asteroid cape is the same thing but was never a free area in the season in the first place, its more of a easter egg than a cannon area

[untold notch]

it's just the models for the cutscene planets that tgc decided to make accessible to the player

[lusty merlin]

(ty Let) but yeah she does have special dialouge

[fallen root]

🍄 Hi Lorechat!!!

[lusty merlin]

ah right i'm misrembering

[fallen root]

🍄 I'm not sure if the dude who said their Skid came from Starlight Desert but said it as Straight Desert is here

🍄 Its me, the one who said "My mind imagined Straight Desert that has the hetero flag ontop of it with 50% opacity" I made it a reality😭

[lusty merlin]

ah yeah that was me i think that was intentional, straight desert is an inside joke typo one if my friends made

[fallen root]

🍄 May I send it

[sterile orchid]

seeing the coliseum filled up there is really cool but i'm also kinda sad bc i miss those vibes. except the jellyfish part, the lag when everyone spawns in was crazy

[eternal totem]

Straight Desert

[sharp lichen]

Most seasonal content have literally no teaser or foreshadowing in-game.

I don’t know why the concert isn’t free, honestly. Money? Or it would just confuse brand new players?

Aurora fits well in the game as an extension of the Megabird, and it’s not impossible to make theories about Aurora. They don’t egregiously break any rules in the game. (I’m using they because gender doesn’t exist in the Sky world)

[hushed steeple]

can someone explain what these calling lights are in the seed segment of the concert?

[frigid tinsel]

Cyan light

[fallen root]

🍄 r/TechnicallyTheTruth

[sharp lichen]

The Cyan Light of Air, probably

[hushed steeple]

wait, really? 😭 still confused on the light things

[eternal totem]

Contracts, trademarks, copyright, etc
Moths could just ask to be taken there once they're ready

[lusty merlin]

aurora is a Collab season so of corse it would have a teaser, plus aurora is a pretty well known singer well so promotion would bring more fans to the game (saw alot of moths who tried sky for aurora's season and concert alone

[hushed steeple]

someone said it was the day the stars fell, which confused me. because only the elders existed when the stars fell, correct?

[fallen root]

🍄 Ooo this is getting interesting

[random token]

Do you mean ancestors ? I think the stars fell when ancestors were alive as well, and the elders

[sharp lichen]

Each color of light usually has relation to one element in the Sky world. They also, in some periods of time, belonged to a specific elder.

Green- Earth- Prairie Elder
Blue-Water- Forest Elder
Cyan- Air- Valley Elders
Orange-Fire- Wasteland Elder

@hushed steeple we see the stars falling at the very end of the Switch Trailer. https://youtu.be/aBQRCHusYyU (2:10)

[fallen root]

[random token]

Why would forest have involvement of what’s going on in GW though?

[untold notch]

copyright 🎉

[sterile orchid]

wasn't "the stars falling" about the constellations disappearing and we, as the sky kid, are meant to bring the "stars" (spirits that go into the constellations) back

[sharp lichen]

Season of TLP had no teaser. You can’t just say seasons like Enchantment and Abyss weren’t canon because they introduced new concepts and had no teaser

[frigid tinsel]

We don’t know what they Isle intro murals mean when they said “the stars fell,” but before that it preludes with “then darkness came.” That’s been interpreted in various ways.

As Baud noted, we do see the stars literally falling at the end of the Switch release trailer. However some think it could be theoretical. Yes, the Elders are said to be fallen stars, but given the final Shattering memory with the Elders, could that depict their “falling” from grace, power, or life? Would line up with the Eden calamity causing a darkness apocalypse.

“And with their light we faded away.” The ancestors died. As Fluffy noted, ancestors are part of constellations and with the darkness could not ascend, though they’re already on the ground.

[random token]

Concept art?

[fallen root]

🍄 THIS IS GETTING REALLY INTERESTING I'M GETTING THE POPCORN FOR LURKERS BRB!!

[sharp lichen]

I don’t know if there’s concept art of pre-devastation wasteland

[lusty merlin]

i mean they do but ok

[hushed steeple]

hm. i thought the stars falling was the very origin of the sky world. they fell to the earth and built the kingdom, dying (literally) to return to the stars again.

[random token]

Elements? :O

[sharp lichen]

I meant in-game teaser, like murals

[untold notch]

wasn't the snake or whatever added before the season?

[frigid tinsel]

He’s in Geographer’s murals

[sharp lichen]

Lurkers? I never knew there were lurkers here. Say hi!

[hushed steeple]

thank you for that explanation. makes a lot for sense now.

[sterile orchid]

afaik Aurora is the only season that had a mural specific to it in a different season, and that's probably just because the collab was being planned out while another season was currently ongoing

having a mural for something does not necessarily make everything about a season canon, including any characters involved; depicting a large crowd of people in an area could be really any performance in the universe, it just happened to be put in because there was a season planned with part of it being a concert

[low spindle]

Me , im a lurker rn, I just came by though, so im trying to see whats going on here

[fallen root]

🍄 In every channel there are lurkers :D

🍄 -Seasons Chat Lurker

🍄 ANYWAYS I GOT THE POPCORN 🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿

[random token]

Assuming the animation project will take place before the disaster happened

[eternal totem]

Did you forget the hat/boa constrictor mural or what, many fans of TLP recognized it easily compared to Aurora's mural

[lusty merlin]

what would get more hype and fans from marketing and could deserve a mural teaser: A character from a french children's book, or a well known singer with a pretty large following that also uses her music ingame and has tons of merchendice from the shop following after?

[round parrot]

I live in Lorechat's walls wdym

[random token]

There’s always lurkers wdym. I lurk myself sometimes when I don’t have stuff to add

[eternal totem]

This was teased halfway through Assembly

[lusty merlin]

oo i was confused a lil on the hat icon during the season, never knew it was connected to tlp but that would count as a teaser mural

[fallen root]

🐢

[low spindle]

Little nit pick, but the little prince is actually super well known and popular (atleast from what I know) its the second or third most translated book in the world.

But I do agree that a singer concert can be seen as more interesting for those who havent read the book

[round parrot]

Yup, that's a boa constrictor who ate an elephant (I think its an elephant?)

[frigid tinsel]

Aurora is also super well known and popular.

[fallen root]

🍄 Wait its an elephant and not a tortol?

[sharp lichen]

I’m just confused as to why so many people don’t think Aurora is canon. It’s not like they break the rules of the Sky world, and it’s super easy to just theorize them as an extension of the Megabird/Light.

[low spindle]

Its a drawing of a snake that ate an elephant.

[hushed steeple]

is dawn some sort of port of arrival? are the boats being shipped to the temple to be guided to the next realm or to death?

[hushed steeple]

i still think so! i always viewed her as a personification of Mega.

[untold notch]

strawman! I never said she wasn't canon I just said she was not representative of a different character

[fallen root]

🍄 MY MIND WAS CONVINCED THAT ITS A TURTLE HEPP,,, 😭

[sharp lichen]

I was referring to what tac said

[low spindle]

Was little prince confirmed not canon? I feel like that was said somewhere but im not sure.

But if its true, people can be making the whole equation that humans in the sky universe or collabs just in general aren't canon

[frigid tinsel]

ik when asked that, Ash said that you can image the Little Prince however you want – an alien, an imaginary friend, you name it,
so up to interpretation.

[low spindle]

Interesting! Good to keep in mind!

[sharp lichen]

I’d imagine the same process to be applied to Aurora as well

[round parrot]

Hi im back
(Aurora may be a little bit of a stretch)
I love Performance

[untold notch]

I would think it gets messier when you're dealing with a living breathing person

[eternal totem]

Aurora is the mural, maybe that little spot is based on next season

[sharp lichen]

But that same living breathing person agreed to be in the game, and therefore be in the lore

[low spindle]

I don't personally believe Aurora is a character in the sky universe, but plays a role similiar to the narrator in books or plays.

Just the story teller, telling the story, but not an actual character in that story.

[round parrot]

I am aware of that, but the light above that little spot seemed similar to a spotlight for something, like maybe a singer of sorts

[eternal totem]

Yeah just thinking out loud

[untold notch]

I'm not necessarily in the business of headcanoning real people

[sterile orchid]

i like the idea that someone said (can't remember who, woops ) of Aurora being "mother nature" since most of the songs are about nature in some way, most notably with The Seed and how pollution is a big problem (which already fits in with sky's story)

but like, seemingly the whole reason sky kids exist? that kind of important to the story role? i just don't think Aurora fits there, if she's canon in the first place

[eternal totem]

We should decipher the interaction between the guide and Stagehand at that spot

[round parrot]

I honestly forgot what they did in that spot

[sharp lichen]

The final conclusion is, as always, whether Aurora exists in canon is up to interpretation

[eternal totem]

Kiss idk

[untold notch]

they're talking about what to put on their stan account next

[low spindle]

Going into sky just to see the interaction

Then completely ignore it for my own headcanons

[eternal totem]

Off the top of my head, Perf was showing off their dance moves but Stagehand kept saying no

[sterile orchid]

the guide does an evil laugh at the Eden painting, and i believe the stagehand does the scared-turn-around emote? (no idea what it's called)

can't remember interaction with the Vault background or the mini-stage

[low spindle]

Performance tries to get stagehand to dance in a show or with them, but stagehand is scared of dancing on stage

[eternal totem]

Possibly paid their respects

[low spindle]

Time to wait in harmony hall for that interaction

[sterile orchid]

"i'm gonna go into the game and head straight to harmony hall to watch what they do" i say as muscle memory send me sliding down to the ice rink

[low spindle]

I DIDNT KNOW THERE WERE FLOATING ORBS IN HARMONY HALL?

[round parrot]

Ponder the orbs

[sterile orchid]

performance guide's wave as i enter the area makes me die every time tbh

[sharp lichen]

It would be interesting to decipher every “game mechanic” and try to give a lore reason for them existing.

First off, with possibly the messiest topic in Sky lore: multiplayer.

I do have a theory on this

@low spindle Bros stalking 💀

[low spindle]

STALKING!??!?!?! Im just very intently watching performance guide do things

[rigid mural]

They're like one of these

[hushed steeple]

would it be alright if i had some of you all’s QR? we could stalk the HH ancestors together

forgive me if this is not the place to ask such

[sterile orchid]

i regularly go into this building to watch the spirits interact and listen to all the people who are way better at playing instruments than i am /lh

[low spindle]

Sure lol, Watching Harmony hall spirits party

[hushed steeple]

whew! should i dm you?

[untold notch]

I don't actually play the game very much as it happens

[sterile orchid]

i would love to join! i would have to send the QR though bc phone doesn't let me download the game so i'm forced onto switch

[frigid tinsel]

I’m mad there’s no text on the signs

[sharp lichen]

Sure

[sharp lichen]

When was the last time Sky ever had non-ui text

[hushed steeple]

added ya 😄

[white junco]

a man can dream

[sharp lichen]

How where and when

[eternal totem]

When you close your eyes, in bed, at night, a man can dream

[sharp lichen]

If that’s your dream, I’m your nightmare

[eternal totem]

Consider my timbers shivered

[low spindle]

I just realized theres an opening door in harmony hall where the music not is, how did I not know this before

[white junco]

why is lord garmadon ninjago in my dreams

[sharp lichen]

If Sky has text, you know what that means? Sky language. Alani will be forced to work overtime! We’ll all be doomed!

[trim ember]

Ello, any theories about the sapling we have to admire sometimes? Since an update happened that made it grow bigger, is it suggested to continue growing every year?

[rigid mural]

Whoag

[sterile orchid]

the saplings got bigger?? is that not part of the "admire the sapling" quests??

[eternal totem]

The saplings bloom during quest days

[sterile orchid]

this is so creepy, the performance guide and stagehand have vanished but are continuing the emote sounds like they're still here i am now convinced it's a soundtrack to their routine and not actually the emotes making noises /hj

[sterile orchid]

i love that Stagehand starts giggling at the guide's dance moves

[violet sundial]

I can be your angle 😇 … or yuor devil😈 …….

[low spindle]

If you look closely you can see me for a millisecond

[slate saffron]

Lore chat.

How do I remove my doppelganger?

[untold notch]

that is a highly context dependent question

[mint pewter]

i finally met the crab whisperer and once again you are all correct & we have no choice but to stan.

[quick jasper]

every time i see crab whisperer i think of lore chat

[pastel brook]

wow, I love this!

[mint pewter]

even the bot loves crab whisperer

[pastel brook]

hey, hey! I have a theory!

[mint pewter]

I bet you do lil gal

[pastel brook]

-does a big think-

Does your Skykid have a talent?

[quick jasper]

hes very talented at being silly

[crystal moon]

ok so, a moth asked me what the big slashes in the abyss were from (first picture). so I was like huh, krill don't have claws idk. And then thought about it. maybe king krill??? no he doesn't have anything that small, or sharp enough. maybe a regular krill spine spikes?

[frigid tinsel]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[crystal moon]

I don't think about lore often but this little moth has gotten in my head

[lusty merlin]

think that's the point, seeing those scratches and letting your mind do the work on what lurks below

could aruge the leviathan could've done it from the murals but idk if that's the same leviathan based from the silhouette alone

[crystal moon]

the who??? I must Google

[lusty merlin]

like the giant monster in the second image

[crystal moon]

I didn't know king krill was the leviathan, coooool. I'll be thinking 🤔

[lusty merlin]

king krill is a fanon name but so is leviathan now taht i think about it, just to me leviathan fits it more

[rigid iron]

I think officially it's just been called the monster

A bit concerned that murals in and of the abyss area depict a completely different creature that looks like a bobbit worm, so I don't know if they just never updated the design or if the Sky ocean is just populated with more big scary friends that we haven't seen yet

[crystal moon]

really curious! I've looked into the lore now and am completely invested. especially with the color design, that's amazing....

[rigid iron]

It seems like new things just casually emerge out of the ocean over time in the Sky world, like the sanctuary whale, abyss monster, and days of nature turtle, so chances are there's an unknown number of creatures waiting patiently for their big debut I'm crossing my fingers for a shark someday but based on the negative reactions to the leviathan I don't think it would be talked about very nicely 💔

[crystal moon]

I was really hoping for a shark when I explored the abyss the first time!!!! The ocean is probably my worst fear, specifically something lurking in the dark. I'm also claustrophobic, so naturally the leviathan is my favorite creature to visit! 🤣 I didn't know that the community reacted poorly, that's sad :( it's the best seasonal quest

[lusty merlin]

augh yeah, also have a sinking feeling they'd make sharks a "dark creature" that would be violent even when a lot of sharks are just large puppies and leave you alone if you leave them alone but thas a whole other thing

liek ofcorse sharks are wild animals but they're vilified so much to an overextent

[crystal moon]

I don't think a sharp and evil looking shark would look all that great. Plus, sharks are fast. Players wouldn't be able to avoid them... However, using the same shape language as a bird would look excellent. they could even speed you around! I guess the conflicting nature of sharks makes them less likely to match the story

like the second to the left on the top. good chonky shark

[rigid iron]

Back when Abyss was being tested I regularly saw people talking about harming it (punching it, shooting it with a harpoon etc), I guess to act brave, but it was honestly really sad to see. I'm still disappointed that they made it eat us in the final quest and turned it into a sort of (?) antagonist because for better or worse it handed those people an easy justification for wanting to harm it :/ I'm still a firm believer that it's no more evil than krill are, which is not at all. Animals will be animals.

[lusty merlin]

exactly even though its explainaible why they eat us cuz ofcorse they saw us food but folks will see that and be like "see? its evil!" which is

just tired of sharks being portrayed as tyrants who are evil, if we ever get a shark in sky i hope they don't look to edgy liek what fish stated above

(ah think i forgot to turn off ping my bad if i didnt)

[crystal moon]

you can still visit the big guy, and he's friendly! doesn't notice you or anything

[misty warren]

the big guy's thoughts when he saw the skid: mmmm glowy candy

[sly lake]

Hm, What about the act of it eating us makes the act or the Leviathan an evil antagonistic thing? I think not wanting to be eaten can be a "correct" thing at the same time that the leviathan wants to eat as a predator would, so it's actions are also neutrally "correct". The two can both exist at the same time, I think.
We never harm the creature, even escaping from it's stomach, I believe if it was a strict antagonist type character, we would've banished it entirely in Sky. (Since we don't have weapons.)

[crystal moon]

we probably couldn't get a whole shark, but I could see a shark inspired creature. if they expanded on abyss, they'd need big creatures to move you around like the mantas. plus the whales have scary faces so I could see a similar design for a smaller long sea creature.

[lusty merlin]

ya ofcorse them eating us is a natural thing i can see them doing, but i remember seeing some folks in beta who saw that and justified as an proof of it being evil like its a wild animal and saw us and we're tiny ofcorse it'll take a bite if it so feels

[sly lake]

Ah! I see. Yes, unfortunately many predators are interpreted by people as evil or fearful. But I don't think the Leviathan was cast in an antagonist role, any more than an avalanche would be in the scenario characters must outrun the avalanche. If that makes sense?

[rigid iron]

That's why I said sort of. Even if they didn't intend for it to be antagonistic, you'll always have people who will associate that act with being evil, just like you have people who assume krill are evil. It's more so about audience interpretation, especially when they called it "monster" in beta updates instead of something vague like "creature". It feeds into people's fears

[crystal moon]

the creature that the whales take inspo from are in fact fish, but they look like sharks they could make that leap

[lusty merlin]

ya i totally agree! just unfortunate some people don't see it that way💔

[sly lake]

Our good friend the Dunkleosteus! I love it's name.

Have you seen the skeletal plates of this creature?

[lusty merlin]

-googles-

*yo they look awesome *

[crystal moon]

those guys are armored like a tank, way more scary than a shark

[sly lake]

For any who may be curious:

[lusty merlin]

oo i can definitely see the whale inspo from sky from this

lil teef :3

[crystal moon]

if you click on the left image I sent and scroll to the right, you can see the concept art using it as reference

[rigid iron]

Oh! On the topic of light creature ideas I came across a fun little animal that already looks like it would be in sky I just need to find it

[sly lake]

Dunkleosteus: :K

[rigid iron]

Here we go Sea angels! They're a type of sea slug

[pastel brook]

I just want you to feel you're doing well

[round parrot]

THAT LOOKS SO COOL

[crystal moon]

ohhh that would be amazing!!!

are there any images of the great bird dude in the lore?

[hushed steeple]

good places to read about sky lore? or like grasp a concept?

[lusty merlin]

got inspired by this, lil baby

[crystal moon]

Drew a little dude??? kinda adorable, sky kids could grab on to the top fin and zoom through the painfully slow ocean areas

[sterile orchid]

SHARK SHARK SHARK

[round parrot]

Giant silly fish

[lusty merlin]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit?usp=sharing basic lore doc by baud

[lusty merlin]

ough thats adorable

[rigid iron]

I need to dig around for Chien's shark concept, she drew one a couple days ago

[sterile orchid]

I just want more creatures tbh
Especially different ages or variants of creatures like all the mantas... Imagine a baby or like, a midsize between and

[pastel brook]

Why do you think the Ancestors liked boats so much?

[lusty merlin]

ough just got the idea of skykids being like remora's that stick to alot of animals, they also stick to sharks sometimes

[crystal moon]

yess exactly!!!

[pastel brook]

-does a big think-

[sterile orchid]

Oh no

[crystal moon]

shark cape......... time to get the drawing tablet out

if you wanna make a shark cape I'd LOVE to see your concept, Tac

[rigid iron]

Advertising the bestie (RealDogaressa on Twitter and pain-del-doge on Tumblr)
I love this concept so so much

[hushed steeple]

super interesting ty, is there anything else like this?

so in theory sky is like a whole kingdom?

[crystal moon]

i love that shark as well 😭😭😭

[lusty merlin]

in the setting of the game yes the skyworld (minus orbit) is a kingdom we're exploring

unfortunely there's not alot of other lore docs that would be reliable, hence why this one give only the most solid bare bone lore as alot of it can get messy for how open it is. But when making your own theories come into play, you can observe and discuss and build your own narrative

while theres alot of ideas that are widely agreed on various things. feel free to come to your own conclusion

[lusty merlin]

Oh my god i remember seeing this

the lil teef

[rigid iron]

If it helps, you might find more enjoyment thinking of this channel as one big conversation we're all having rather than a source for concrete knowledge, since a lot of the lore is left up to interpretation. Most of the conversations here are us bouncing ideas off of one another because everyone interprets things differently and no one really knows any more of what's going on than anyone else

Except for the devs, of course (but that's debatable )

[sterile orchid]

all the conversations consist of lore ideas, questions, various bits of evidence, and headcanons + the occasional game idea (like the sharks) and that's why i like lorechat :)

[rigid iron]

It's less of a wiki/Q&A forum and more this, except all the scholars are begging for a turn to talk about their favorite blorbo until someone says "divorce" and everyone nods in agreement

[sterile orchid]

i am a very new person to lorechat (and this server in general despite being here for a year) so. what is up with the divorce memes

[rigid iron]

There's a couple different divorce jokes I've seen in here that I think combined into one big joke about the concept of divorce existing as a theme in sky. The one I personally know the most about is the concept of the king being divorced, which began with people headcanoning the scrapped priestess character as the king's ex wife and sort of joking that things in the kingdom started falling apart with the king's marriage very far from canon, but still funny to imagine. I've also heard of the war being called a divorce between the two opposing factions or realms, so the word itself has been kind of memeified over time, if that makes sense.

There's also the joke of saying a character "looks divorced" if they seem kind of pathetic or lame (in a lovable way usually) and that's definitely been applied to some of the spirits, so it's definitely a mix of different things

[lusty merlin]

you also got being the elder of divorce but that is such a loaded inside joke i cant begin to get into

[sterile orchid]

i wish to know why.

[lusty merlin]

beaned smh💔

Made a character ai of sah for the sillay, it didn't have that much info to get a grasp yet and at some reason told me that mekh was together with a random person. And for fun i was like "hey isn't that person married already?" and it spiraled from there. my status is a reference to what sah said at one point

this was a cultural reset for me i loose it every time i remember i convinced sah that their twin was the elder of divorce💀

[sterile orchid]

omg that is AMAZING thank you for this information.

[lusty merlin]

now every time i get server split my friends sometimes go "mekh got you" and vice versa

[sterile orchid]

Sah is the elder of blorbos tbh (most of my favorite spirits are from valley)

[rigid iron]

Settling down in Valley:
Pros: High twin rates, two baby for the price of one
Cons: Marriage gone, no more marriage

[lusty merlin]

HELP

[sterile orchid]

does there happen to be a link or anything to this AI (or other Sky characters) i try to look some up on the site and i get thousands of ones from other characters named sky

[lusty merlin]

sharing links aren't allowed here sadly but the site is beta.charater.ai and the logo looks like a blue cartoon person with glasses and a backward's cap

[sterile orchid]

yeah i have the right one... i just can't find anything

[lusty merlin]

oh sorry i misread this thought you were asking for the site, my sah ai is set to private sadly

[mental badge]

Question about these things, do they like… just attack to attack? Or are they trying to eat us? Or what’s up with these things?

[lusty merlin]

Really comes to Interpretation

I Like to think since wasteland is so scarce that they try to take our light for food like seen with the leviathan in abyss, as a natural thing predators do. But that does kinda fall apart considering krill also appeared in “the seed” quest for aurora, unless to them they saw a five course meal out of the open

[mental badge]

Fair ig. I like to think they eat the light of sky kids. Sometimes when I’m bored, I’ll sit in the wastelands and try to save the poor souls who cross paths with these beasts, but it’s super hard to, so I only do it when I don’t have much to lose :<

[lusty merlin]

Fair enough, though I did remember this from a Q&A just now so it really could be a mix of seeing us as food or using corruption as a crutch for why the attack in the first place

[mental badge]

That makes sense

[sly edge]

How in the world did this fly over my head on the first playthrough

Also i wonder how long it'll be til Alef gets added to the story

[sly edge]

afaik, corrupted creatures (dark crabs, krills, the shadow cloud) are corrupted by the darkstones, in turn causing them to also hunger for light (darkstones absorb light to convert them into power)

[mental badge]

So they do eat them… scary

[sly edge]

Yeah there's actually a lore video by "I'm just Kostas" on yt that makes a lot of sense

[lusty merlin]

If I recall i don’t think its cannon that was the reason they’re even corrupted but it still could be likely

[sly edge]

Yeah not confirmed yet, the animation teaser actually seems to imply that dark creatures already inhabited the forbidden forests (it's set during the pre-eden era), crabs specifically

[sly edge]

Would kiss

Look at them

[mint pewter]

If the krill are anything like the War Machines in Journey (which in other respects they very much are) it's possible they were deliberately corrupted by the ancestors to aid them in battle and then went rogue once their handlers were dead. The way they appear in battle scenes such as the gw aurora memory supports this

[sharp lichen]

They may be at least referenced in the animation project

[fickle wing]

hangs this up in lore chat

[tepid veldt]

HELP

[fickle wing]

the whole scrapped priestess thing being the kings ex wife is so so funny to me still they were like this u can’t change my mind

asmr using my crab telephone to call my divorced wife (real)

[untold notch]

good to see Bea is still haunted

[rigid iron]

Please don't cold ping

[gritty cave]

This is the whole lore

[keen shore]

two baby for the price of one…

[hardy jasper]

HAHAAHHA

[fickle wing]

sitting with a board and red string with pictures of valley folks pinned to it cause like. Insane

[rigid mural]

Amazing, and yet not a braincell in sight

Maybe twins are seen as the favor of the elders ?

[lusty merlin]

Sah looking slay as always🫶

[obsidian flare]

GENIUS

[fickle wing]

elder effect on valley

• higher amount of twins

• more divorce

[rigid iron]

Valley

[lusty merlin]

two

[brisk python]

two of them.

[keen shore]

well if you think about it isn’t twins just like divorce but from each other before they’re born

[quick jasper]

two of them <3

[keen shore]

But for real, it’s really interesting to think about the mechanics of how this might be the case. Like, is it some kind of blessing the elders have over their entire realm that somehow affects the mechanics of however ancestors are made? Do twins just fit the themes of Valley, so they aren’t necessarily more common there in canon, the devs just choose to make them a recurring motif for the spirits we do see from there? Lots of thoughts

If it’s some sort of elder blessing, you’d have to wonder if the other realms have anything similar, and if they do, what those might be, because nothing obvious immediately springs to mind

[frigid tinsel]

“Two bagels children”

[sharp lichen]

Perhaps they just wanted to look similar to (cosplay?) the Valley Twins

[rain pond]

valley twins as social media influencers

they made twins fashionable

also i like to think that the valley twins were one being that split apart and the energy that split Them apart still lingers in valley

[rigid iron]

I had to stop myself from writing a whole paper about genetics here but it's fun to imagine twins are just part of the shared valley gene pool and the populations of other realms have their own genetic quirks

[rigid mural]

patch notes

[tepid veldt]

-fixed an issue where people in valley could marry.
-fixed the rates of twins to be 100%.

[austere bridge]

I need to think about this
what if isle children have more stamina because of the wandering aspect of the realm…

[earnest briar]

Ooh, what if Wasteland children are hardier and able to withstand harsher conditions than most?

Prairie children are more attuned to the Light because of the abundance of it in the realm maybe?

[sharp lichen]

Forest children are smaller and nimbler to avoid the rain, Valley children are expert fliers due to the realm’s vertical nature, and Vault children have a stronger internal fire because they have to light things more often

That’s what I think at least

[keen shore]

I don’t think skykid natural selection is a thing to be honest

[soft timber]

Skykid goes zyoom

[keen shore]

everyone in wasteland has depression

[earnest briar]

I meant Ancestor children but Baud interpreted it as Sky Kids. Like…because Flight Guide is more attuned to the Light they can sense the pain of Light Creatures used for darkstone and founded the Wind Paths because of it.

[sharp lichen]

It’s only a headcanon, but it would be cool if living in a realm helped you traverse that realm more easily

[keen shore]

me in forest having to learn how to dodge the rain drops like an ant in a microwave cause no one will give me an umbrella

[sharp lichen]

I meant moreso sneaking into crevices and finding secret paths, but sure, dodge every raindrop if you want to

[earnest briar]

Forest kids are just Touhou players

[rigid iron]

Forest parents going "back in my day we didn't have umbrellas, we walked to school like this"

[lusty merlin]

HELP

[sterile orchid]

i love these ideas but sadly have nothing to add to it i think it's neat but,, you guys have already said everything i was thinking of to fit

[atomic lava]

endermen skids…

[sly edge]

Cold ping?

[rigid iron]

Cold pinging is notifying someone out of the blue when they aren't online or the conversation is long over. When you replied to my message it was 4 AM If you want to reply to something without notifying the person, especially if they're not online, you can press the blue @ ON button to turn the ping off

had to find the gif but this is how

[sterile orchid]

If you're on computer you can also hold down the shift button when pressing to reply and it automatically turns off the ping

[flint bolt]

Lore?

[untold notch]

it does?

[split ingot]

imagine almost every elder have their own personal bodyguards

imagine them hiring a reliable skykid as their bodyguard 😭

[lusty merlin]

i can kinda see that, to me all of them are well capable of defending themselves. Heck and 's size alone is good enough to deter attackers if there was any at all, plus most elders have color lights from prophecy too, cant do jack to them. Even if isle and vault don't have prophecy lights, i can see them being pretty knowalgeble in regular light magic. Though in my ficverse i can see there being guards that stand watch outside of building's or maybe social events at a distance if they were hosted, but i personally cant imagine personal bodyguard's

[bold trellis]

That's really neat headcanon. Since I do cr runs in all realms every day, mine is just going to be the "human" option, all even stats lol.

[halcyon hull]

See them as Siamese twins tbh they both have two legs

[rigid iron]

Please don't cold ping

[hushed steeple]

I love sky lore. Reading this chat I realized how little I know about sky lore

[sharp lichen]

You think the Valley Elders couldn’t defend themselves? Look at how fast they nyoom around in the cutscene

They could easily defeat a Skykid if they wanted to

[sterile orchid]

They just bonk or literally parkour out of the way

[random token]

I'm pretty sure they'd strike a cool pose, run, then fall flat on their face for comedic effect

[sharp lichen]

Comic relief elders

[round parrot]

Honestly that sounds like something the Sunset Elders would do to make Skykids laugh

[random token]

They're trying to get our light btw. They're corrupted and they believe that taking other's light will restore theirs

[random token]

Pre corrupted manta or experiment gone wrong in the mural.

[random token]

I'll have to disagree with this but I don't look into beta a lot. I think that it's an overreaction to say that people reacted to it in a "negative" way by wanting to harm it. It's just a game creature, wanting to take our light I think it's natural we have to do what we can to defend ourselves, so I think there is justification in "hurting" it. Nature isn't all that friendly, and sometimes we do have to see things as "the bad guy".

If we wanted to hug or treat everything with kindness then I don't think we'd be surviving as a species

[compact shale]

Someday, we shall gain the almighty beam that allows us to bring light back to those big honking beasts.

[round parrot]

Tbh it would probably suck it all up like a black hole

[compact shale]

I mean, true

Season of Ascension when

[tepid veldt]

every sunday

[compact shale]

I mean

when will we be able to ascend creatures

[sterile orchid]

We're kind of close to that with the shattering memories but it would be cool to have the actual creatures and not just memories of them to collect

[rigid mural]

After red shards, we do get to ascend light creature spirits iirc

[compact shale]

I wanna ascend something bigger

[cold sparrow]

I feel like light creatures (or what remains of them) used to travel to eden to ascend themselves
but with the eden crystal being all broken and the corruptions, parts of them might get caught and trapped in these fragments and corrupted
so we have to clean the darkness shards to free them

thinking of this old concept art

[sterile orchid]

They can still travel directly to Orbit to ascend themselves, there's millions of mantas and birds along the way there

It may be the larger creatures that can't though because there's only up to midsize mantas, birds, and spirits + sky kids, only exception being the one whale that breaks the building that falls over and then we never see it again, I'm sure there's jellyfish in the mix too but they'd be hard to see with the blinding lights

[compact shale]

One day we shall help the large darkies get uncorrupted lol

[cold sparrow]

I think there being only one whale is more due to there not being all that many whales in general anymore

[flint bolt]

Lore?

[random token]

What about the whale?

Nvm you mentioned that

[random token]

Maybe the larger ones just couldn't ascend yet. They probably don't have the Need to

[sterile orchid]

yeah, it kinda seems like skids are immortal until killed in Eden and ascending, so i imagine light creatures are similar, if they get big enough they have no need to keep the cycle going

[inland cliff]

then what abt the manta and mega manta ghost? Are they ascending to Vault?

[sterile orchid]

the cosmic mantas are probably just actual spirits of mantas that couldn't finish ascending, or some kind of sub-species "evolution" that happened to mantas in Vault to help them fit in the area more

[rigid mural]

The remembrance ult spawns them, maybe cosmic mantas are memories of mantas that ancestors had

[inland cliff]

maybe vault is a side-platform for them to become cosmic one, basically be immortal creatures or ascending for real in eden ( they can choose)

[untold notch]

could it be argued that the manta that teaches you how to swim in the first abyss quest is a spirit manta, considering their similarities to ancestor spirits?

[sterile orchid]

,, that fits with my little mini-theory of the memory whisperer befriending one of the cosmic mantas and the manta being what keeps them 'alive' so the skids can help the spirit (because it doesn't make sense that honking with manta call to a cosmic manta would give you a regular ancestor spirit any other way)

[rigid mural]

hmmm the whale call is also another memory where you don't see a spirit at the end

[sterile orchid]

and yet they're both regular spirits in the constellation

[untold notch]

tanwé is real in my heart

also the cosmic manta voice spirit is named "memory whisperer"

[sterile orchid]

memory whisperer is the only "blank" spirit that isn't completely blank bc they have a different pants style and the white cape, which makes them stand out to me and i don't want to believe it's just for putting the items in the constellation (even if it is)

[inland cliff]

maybe when they die, their spirits merch with each other ,gaving them both human and creature form and ability but is now only one spirit

and im only talking abt whales, manta and cosmic manta call

[half shadow]

i agree with the idea that the cosmic mantas are basically memories made real by the magic of the vault, manifesting into reality due to so many memory lanterns destruction and the general damage to the vault itself, which is also why the vault becomes more dreamlike and ethereal the further up you go

[untold notch]

the ourple

[sterile orchid]

base manta call is different, as we light a spirit and see the spirit before collecting the "manta lights" for the rest of the memory; for whale and cosmic manta calls, it's only the creature

[half shadow]

TOP TEN VAULT MYSTERIES SCIENCE CAN’T ANSWER: and why its ourple

[untold notch]

I haven't done whale whisper in a long time so I don't remember the cutscene but I wish they made them real so I can blorbify them better

[sterile orchid]

i don't think there is a cutscene, you basically just burn all the dark plants off the whale bones and then get the call

[half shadow]

oops i think i set off the filter. anyways i do think the massive cosmic manta and baby are memories of a creature that once existed, too. my crazy theory is that they were of the organism that the treasure reef leviathan once was. if anybody has the abyss mural on hand that shows the multi winged manta creature that’s basically my one piece of evidence

[grim python]

yeah it’s weird it kinda just flashes on your screen then slides into ur wing menu

I remember just accidentally getting it as a moth because someone already burnt the plants and I was so confused

[atomic lava]

the bones call and you get a call 💀 weird bones…

[untold notch]

I remember sequence breaking memory whisperer because someone with manta call activated it while I was standing there but I didn't have manta call yet

[half shadow]

oh no i have two: the mural, and the fact that with the leviathan is a smaller krill swimming around next to it…. kind of like how there’s a smaller multiwinged manta following the big one in vault

[topaz minnow]

its in valleys citadel, its just an obnoxiously long process to finish the spirit 😭

[sterile orchid]

i think astral has manta call by now

[lusty merlin]

That reminds but doesn’t the cosmic manta call comes from memory whisperer too

[half shadow]

am i alone in that i think the default call is actually the best. it sounds pretty

[lusty merlin]

I like it too! Personally I love crab call for how squeaky it is

[sterile orchid]

i wish i could get journey call tbh

[half shadow]

same

[sterile orchid]

the first honk. reborn into a creature that honks for even less of a reason.

[grim python]

def sounds the best for singing along in orbit imo

[untold notch]

I mean I have it now it's been two years but I didn't then

[inland cliff]

i wish for kitsuna ai call..

[quick jasper]

i enjoy baby manta call, i can't remember when i got it it's just kinda been there and i sound like a squeaky toy and i love it

[sterile orchid]

that's from Light whisperer, season of flight :) my friends and i think it sounds like a flock of angry seagulls when you spam it

[quick jasper]

i know! i just can't remember ever reliving light whisperer i don't know when that happened. it's so fun to use
i also like the fish one, reminds me of a friend who always uses it

[keen shore]

Writing down excitedly “memory whisperer got souped”

[untold notch]

I feel like you wrote that down already

[keen shore]

I probably did, I just have no plans for them… yet

[untold notch]

oop no wait wrong whisperer I was thinking about whale whisperer

[keen shore]

Tanwé

[random token]

war crimes

[frigid tinsel]

Salem on xyr way to soup all whisperers

[rigid mural]

salem's spiritsona: soup whisperer

[sterile orchid]

imagining someone casually whispering to a bowl of soup in hope it will do something special
or a splash sound effect for a 'honk'

[untold notch]

stock cat sfx

[random token]

I'll eat soop

[frigid tinsel]

Laovi flinches away

[rigid mural]

You like the number seven, right ? /ref

[sharp lichen]

Did (nt) you know that Sky lore is cool and stuff? It has years worth of lore! In fact, I know exactly what lore is going to come in 2023-2024

Next season, 2nd of 2023: Gratitude sequel with lots of connections to Prophecy
3rd of 2023: New season about military training in Wasteland
4th of 2023: Season about the Prairie Elder and farming in Prairie

1st of 2024: Another season in Vault that explores the effects of Eden

[rigid mural]

season of taking a nap, theres no ap, we all just take a break

[hushed steeple]

some games that represents cultures, religion and ancient ways sometime opens a portal like event with a modern world, more futuristic than the vanilla game, the closest place is office and nintendo areas, however isn't there any discussion about something like this happening in Sky a whole season that take us to the future or a retro world, if there is something like this being discussed somewhere else i appreciate if you give a link direction. thank you for understanding my bad english

[sterile orchid]

not exactly sure what you're saying, but the office and Switch area are very likely portals to different worlds entirely not modern versions of Sky

[half shadow]

your english is great! and you’re right, there isn’t a lot of discussion in here about the switch or office area. mainly because a lot of us consider those areas to be non-canon to the game’s story and lore. they are more like easter eggs and were not put in the game for story reasons. so they don’t “really exist” in the world of Sky, which is why when we talk about the story, we don’t mention those places much.

i do get what you’re saying about other games including a more “future” area though! that could be a fun concept. most of the time i see people posting their ideas like that in the #wishlist-and-ideas-archived !

[hushed steeple]

@half shadow it must happen some year thank you very much for your response

[half shadow]

you’re welcome!!

[flint bolt]

oke

[hushed steeple]

@half shadow to know that other people suggest it on the wishlist and idea, give me a bit of confidence, i think the community should push more ideas like that to make it happen some year

[uncut pond]

The problem with those ideas is that Sky is already set in the far future of its respective world.

The game presents us with an "after the end" kind of story, already set in the far future of a story long finished, with us dealing with the aftermath of the actions of those in the past.

[sharp lichen]

We do have “retro” areas like the Cave of Prophecues

[uncut pond]

Technically not true, "retro" means something that imitates a style or trend from the recent past

It'd be kinda hard to accurately place prophecy in a timeline but it's safe to say it's not meant to be recent since a lot of time must have passed between it and the appearance of skids
Plus prophecy is less of an imitation and more like literally what the fashion in the realm actually used to be

[sharp lichen]

I guess “historical” would be better?

[keen shore]

Funnily enough, not as much time may have passed between the events of Prophecy and the disaster as people tend to think! It makes sense if you think about it a bit — if their petrified spirits had been there for centuries while life carried on as normal outside, why didn’t anyone help them?

Many of the ways to date the seasons’ events fall apart or become unreliable as more than supporting evidence if you think about them for too long, for instance: their ancient looking masks could have been passed down for generations or just made in the typical isle style. However, with the story prophecy tells, it necessarily has to take place roughly at the same time stargazer’s memory does if you think about it, and from there and voyager helpfully appearing in a few spirit memories, we can safely say that the prophecy being fulfilled didn’t take place very long before the disaster. I would probably ballpark it at 20-30 years

Which is really interesting to think about, because it implies, among other things, that the “kingdom” phase of Sky’s history probably didn’t last very long, things were already getting bad by the time One fell, and the timeline we see personally through spirit memories was much shorter than most people come to expect

[hushed steeple]

what have i done

[tepid veldt]

ill assume a good thing

[uncut pond]

You make very good points!

But also consider:
-we don't really know for how long can spirits live
-cave of prophecy could've simply got forgotten over time and so could've the prophets, so nobody (except perhaps the elder) would've noticed their absence
-I know this is like, the easy way out but. It might just be a gameplay thing just so we as players can see their memories

[sharp lichen]

Many ideas:

1. They petrified far later than what we see in the spirit memories
2. We don’t know how long Ancestors live, what Let said

[keen shore]

I’m gonna be completely honest about the ancestor lifespan one. Currently, and probably forever, we will have no real way of knowing just how long ancestors live. The possibility that they have different lifespans than humans is relatively unlikely, and since we’d have no way of proving or disproving it, I set it aside to build the theory around the assumption that they don’t. Since the ballpark age depends on just glancing at how much they may have aged, the same fraction of an ancestor’s lifespan would be the time between Prophecy and the disaster anyways, meaning they might have percieved it as about the same time as 20-30 years. On the off chance that they do have different lifespans and we find out, I’ll change that, but for now, it seems like a mistake to ignore what could be a very interesting detail in the lore because of something we couldn’t verify.

[sharp lichen]

There’s also the fact that ancestors being petrified doesn’t mean that the events of the season happened in similar times; the memory is just a small bit of their entire life

[sterile orchid]

i really hope that the child spirits didn't become spirits as children but there's really no way to tell if it's just the childhood memories that stuck with them or something else

[keen shore]

They probably did die as kids

[sharp lichen]

Given how their past form and ascended form look the same, I’m wondering more about the spirit’s age

Or it could be a gameplay thing to not confuse the player when they see 2 different looking people in a row

[sterile orchid]

hide n seek pioneer may be naturally that small but when there's a spirit with child literally in the name the thoughts of how they became a spirit are scary because we don't actually know when, or why they got like that

[frigid tinsel]

I mean, Sky has skykids die weekly(?) after being blown to bits in Eden, would not surprise me if a dev came up and said “yes they died young.”

[keen shore]

For a while, I considered the possibility that everyone in Isle died and petrified before the other realms, which would throw off the timeline. Something like, Isle went desolate before the other realms and so everyone died there sooner.

However, that is very unlikely for two reasons:

1. the spirits from the first four seasons who are present in Isle, who likely did not die any sooner than the other spirits in their groups
2. Dawn’s presence at the Eden Diamond would get very weird very fast if their realm and everything in it was already dead at that point

[sterile orchid]

wouldn't surprise me either but i'm trying to find ways to make it not horrifically depressing

[sharp lichen]

Dying≠petrification

[keen shore]

I mean, my point stands true for either. Try reading the message again and you will see

[sharp lichen]

I know, but the point still stands that the spirits could have lived and died normally and then get petrified around similar times by the time the Eden disaster came

[cold sparrow]

as if an entire populace, adult or not, dying to pollution and eruption and conflict is any less horrifically depressing

[sterile orchid]

at least the adults would have a better chance with most of that though

[keen shore]

To be completely honest, saying every spirit died a certain time before the disaster and then all petrified simultanously is a really weird stretch to try and build a timeline around

[frigid tinsel]

However spirit memories could and likely are depicting events from when they were alive, not yet spirits

[sharp lichen]

The Eden disaster seemed to unleash a level of darkness unseen in Sky’s time. Not even darkness-free places like the Winds Paths or the Prophecy Cabe were safe. It’s not like the Eden disaster was one burst and everything died, it probably took months and years by the time the spirits would be petrified. It would be a slow process, not an instantaneous one.

[cold sparrow]

better chance with dying? the entire premise of sky is just a grim one
our Skykids are traveling through a kingdom that found its downfall
and considering everything we known it is safe to assume that this cost many lives
and since we're meeting spirits, these people very obviously most likely died
i find it unlikely that only adults died and children got away without issues
tragedies on such a scale don't happen like that

[keen shore]

Yeah, that’s why I specified 20-30 years before the disaster in my original post, not 20-30 years before everyone died

[sterile orchid]

OBVIOUSLY there were ancestors that died before Eden exploded, but it doesn't make sense that you are lighting up their body if they were dead well before then, and that seems WAY more than just a game mechanic to get the emotes since the exact same visual happens when your sky kid dies

[frigid tinsel]

Or you’re not lighting up their body — patch notes once referred to a “spirit husk” and there are darkness flakes on them out Light chases away. Those aren’t bodies, those are shells, a cast of darkness

[sharp lichen]

The Sky timeline is honestly just a mess, but I still think Prophecy is at least pre-Elder, since in the caves we see the Chosen One giving the lights to a crowd of people with no elders in sight

[sterile orchid]

it's trying to find some kind of silver lining to it - someone's life can have a happy ending, even if the world around them is literally crumbling at their feet and they're beyond saving. i just don't want to think about the bad stuff happening to my little itty bitty skrunkly pleading child even if it's the only possible outcome

[keen shore]

finally managed to get back to thinking about the other two items on this list!

Neither of them explain how the deal with Stargazer’s memory works, unfortunately. Cave of Prophecies couldn’t have been forgotten if Stargazer and Voyager had to come in there later with the kid, which I can work backwards through spirit memories to reasonably figure out that probably happened at the 20-30 years pre disaster timeline point I mentioned. Sometimes gameplay mechanics are a thing and I won’t deny that, but given it doesn’t explain the detail above either, I will choose to have enough faith in the game itself to say that in this case, it’s a low probability

[frigid tinsel]

Those very much look like Elders ngl

[frigid tinsel]

Denying reality isnt quite the best way to cope, however what I find appealing is that even if they met an unfair end to their lives, skykids help ascend them to the Light when they are reunited with their loved ones and are basically safe from darkness as long as they’re up there.

[cold sparrow]

I just don't see how a child's life and an adult's life would be different in that regard
Sure, a child's death would be tragic
but so would be an adult ones
and a child can make the best out of an awful situation too, just like an adult. perhaps even better.
tho I don't think sky will ever touch so directly on these sort of tragedies
other media have done that much better without pulling punches cough cough grave of the fireflies

[sterile orchid]

,, hey could you please try to not ping me

[frigid tinsel]

Grave of the Fireflies made my cold manly heart (/j) weep elephant tears

[cold sparrow]

oops sorry
hard to read these light names on light theme

[frigid tinsel]

Light mode user spotted
(I was using it earlier)

[keen shore]

Part of the devastation of everyone getting wiped out like what happens in Sky is, well, everyone gets wiped out. Death doesn’t pick and choose or have sympathy for anyone. In the case of Sky, the children probably died as children too.

[cobalt palm]

RIP assembly, lores most heartbreaking season no one else realises is quite so sad

[uncut pond]

I've been on light theme for like 2 years so maybe I'm just used to it but the names aren't that hard to read

[cold sparrow]

they are on mobile light theme and with screen dimmer in bed 👍
(also, for those of you that dislike pings, I'd genuinely suggest to take that to discord's feedback board because it's silly that you can't control that sort of thing on your end)

[keen shore]

Also, sometimes characters don’t appear in every little thing, despite being part of the story. It’s like saying nearly every mural in Sky ever predates elders because they don’t include them, or that every spirit but Voyager isn’t actually real because we don’t see them identifiably in murals.

[cobalt palm]

We know from season of Abyss that there were multiple disasters on several scales

[frigid tinsel]

Elaborate?

[keen shore]

Usually, when we refer to the disaster here, we mean the Eden Diamond exploding 👍

[sterile orchid]

i'm not denying that they died as a kid i'm just. trying to find ways it could've gotten better than the memory shows, which is probably just being where they are, with other people in the same kind of situation they're in, and meeting loads of other kids that also want to learn about animals and save them- you know what yeah i think they're okay now either way

[uncut pond]

Something I've been thinking about is that maybe if an ancestor's body is destroyed their light can get out of their body and survive for a while. Iirc skids can sorta do this on Eden, more than once I've seen a flying light orb in PNR which was another player so I assume they're already dead but are forced to stay in orb from until everyone in that instance finishes pnr

And as Alasdair mentioned, the darkness-spirit-corpse-thing is called spirit husk, so it might not necessarily be the body they had before they died, but rather their light which wandered to the place where their most relevant memory took place

[cobalt palm]

Likely before the Eden Diamond, the mining and what I'll call "Light research" centre in Treasure Cove was destroyed and sank underwater, with spirits that came later swimming down to recover power diamonds.

[keen shore]

Additionally, a fun detail in this mural is that one of the spirits, most likely Voyager, is shown with horns referencing their mask, which references Dawn’s mask — this probably wouldn’t happen if elders weren’t around yet

[cobalt palm]

That could be a younger Isle elder, but personally I'm split by who it actually is

The older form does appear in that mural too, but it could be a before/after the shinyboys ascendance thing

[keen shore]

I think spirits can do that too! After all, we see them zip out towards the temples as stars too, no reason to think they can’t stay that way for a while before they’re ascended. I really like the way you phrased it here. However, since saying this happened to every spirit in isle still requires also saying everyone in Isle to be dead before the other realms to mess up the prophecy timeline I was thinking, it doesn’t really change my point

[sterile orchid]

my problem with pings is that they show up the same as getting a DM and i don't like that it does that (plus most times people reply to me with pings on i'm already in the channel or check back very quickly so there's no point if i'll see it anyway)

[frigid tinsel]

Oh, the spirit memories definitely don’t usually depict them dying and i find that the spirit memories of the younger ancestors are, for the most part, pretty wholesome. The assembly scouts having fun in the woods, Hide & Seek Pioneer playing a game, Light Whispering revitalizing an injured bird.

While Pleading Child’s spirit memories are rather depressing ngl, that seemed to have happened outside the Vault. They may not have reunited with their caregiver in their life, but they were safe in the Vault from warfare and got a nice found family to look after them

[keen shore]

I hope they died happy 💔

[sterile orchid]

,, would the group telling funny stories to each other be happy enough that's the first thing my mind went to

[cobalt palm]

I think probably there needs to be a distinction between dying and leaving a shell/memory, and dying before and not leaving a shell/memory.
Like, are they really dead, or are their spirits just trapped in darkstone, like the memories of the shattering. Trapped in a void until we release them.

[cold sparrow]

again, I'd suggest to make your wish for more control on your end known https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/community/topics
because you will never be able to eliminate getting pings by just telling people, be it from mistake or ignorance or negligence

[frigid tinsel]

Nothing wrong with telling people to not ping anyways

[cobalt palm]

Personally if an app is notifying me too much, I disable notifications, or for desktop discord, sometimes I just mute that program in the volume mixer

[sterile orchid]

i never try to make a big deal of it, the ping is part of the reply feature and i have to deal with it dozens of times in other servers so i've gotten to the point where i ask and if they keep doing it i just try to stop talking to them tbh
plus i'm usually waiting for responses from friends in DMs and active in #questions-and-help and also play the game while trying to do that so if i turned off notifications i would randomly dip out of helping because i decided to watch a few full cutscenes at random

[frigid tinsel]

Unfortunately I mod some servers so I can’t afford to turn off notifications longterm

The problem is that there’s nothing distinguishing an important and pertinent ping from a low-needs ping. All pings say “look at me now, alert alert!!” If it’s something I have to jump on, then it’ll be disasterous if i ignore it. If it’s something like :) then I’m gonna be a little ticked off I had to drop everything for that.

[cobalt palm]

True, would be good to have different ping urgencies rather than mute channel/mute server/mute all

[lusty merlin]

I just think pings should be switched around where you have to turn on ping to notify somebody, not off

[sharp lichen]

I was talking about this mural btw, it’s odd because in the very next mural the Elders are shown.

[frigid tinsel]

Why was I ghost pinged

[sharp lichen]

Interesting how Remembrance shows that spirit memories can be far away from the spot of petrification. Maybe most Ancestors stayed near the same area most their lives?

[tepid veldt]

psst lorechat is there a new remembrance quest today?

oh no

[sharp lichen]

Why couldn't Stargazer and Voyager be earlier in the timeline?

[keen shore]

Voyager appears in piggyback lightseekers spirit memory & also both of them appear in running wayfarers quest

[sharp lichen]

I'm revisiting your timeline thing, and I'm not sure about your first statement. How do we know that the spirits couldn't have been there pre darkness?

[keen shore]

“After the darkness came” means after the pollution in wasteland and forest started, after isle started going desolate, etc. Not the disaster

[sharp lichen]

Yeah, but besides weird petrification shenanigans, darkness rarely appears in the spirit memories

[keen shore]

The reason I added that bit was because 20-30 years is way too short for something of that scale to happen that quickly to the realms. Keep in mind I was talking about when darkness first appeared too, not like when it started getting bad bad. I seriously doubt wasteland was fine 30 years before the disaster and got that bad that fast

[sharp lichen]

And what I was saying, why would there be no spirits that exist before the darkness, especially because the switch trailer exists?

[keen shore]

Well, if you keep reading, since all the spirits appear in each other’s memories so much, they’re all around the same point in the timeline — which is likely all after prophecy took place (although we don’t know this for sure)

[regal marsh]

Here's my take on the game

there was a large culture of people that lived and thrived and made great knowledge within the realm of sky. And then a war started that brought Darkness upon Eden. Perhaps some power was released to bring destruction upon the enemies but also destroyed themselves. The spirits Frozen in place after the initial shock of the darkness are what we have to free. Main battlefield was golden wasteland. As we are able to see very clearly. The forgotten ark was a plan to escape. Clearly failed after the darkness hit. (Just a theory)

[tepid veldt]

well, here’s my (kinda late) thoughts on the quest

• warrior’s memory lanterns are on the first floor of the vault of knowledge, still going along with my theory. we’ll have to see if child screws it up.

• the guide seems to be more impatient/frustrated now. when they are unable to find warrior’s memory lanterns, they use pouty porter’s emote, when normally it’s indifferent alchemist. just throwing in some more sadness, perhaps they are feeling more frustrated/anxious because, once again, the people that they care for most are in pain, and they are powerless, sort of like how the elders felt towards the people of their realm. i also do this a lot irl.

• finally, the apparition of the spirit seemed to disappear a lot quicker. a both tea brewer and veteran were able to get fairly close iirc, but warrior never got a chance.

yeah thats it, what do yall think?

[sharp lichen]

There are some odd things though: You say that "the cave of prophecies was at least in use during the same time as these younger basegame Isle spirits lived — a couple of decades before the other stories takes place, maybe, if we’re being generous."

But the switch trailer shows a world far different than what we see in the Sky game. Not only is it referred to as "centuries", but I can reasonably assume the areas in the Switch Trailer at least somewhat link to actual Sky realms. How would Wasteland be founded, rise up and be a center of production, go through a war, and deteriorate all in a few decades.

[keen shore]

Personally, I don’t use the switch trailer as a source. I’ve explained why I don’t do this in the past and I think you might have seen, but I can link the post to avoid further confusion.
However, the end says, “centuries ago, before the stars fell,” not “centuries before the stars fell.”

If you keep reading, you can also see that in the original posts I didn’t say Wasteland was founded only after the civilization became a kingdom. I believe that it was already in its height or even past it by the time One fell and the kingdom phase began. The war would have happened between when that started and the disaster itself. This logic is true for the other realms as well.

Just because prophecy is the origin story of the kingdom doesn’t mean it has to be the origin story of the entire civilization.

[keen shore]

I thought of your theory while I was doing the quest too! I’m really interested to see if it continues, because from what I can tell so far, the memory lanterns are all piled up in places there’s other lanterns, like they got moved. However, the walls of the Vault break away after the second floor, where Warrior’s are, so I’m wondering where they’d put the lanterns next.

The second bullet point is a really neat detail to me; I noticed the stomp but didn’t think that much into it. The way you explained it here is really sweet and I am proceeding to steal that explanation and run away with it because it’s very relatable

[sharp lichen]

I liked that, the Forgotten Ark was stocked an all the supplies yet failed. There are also signs of a conflict/occupation of Eden

[half shadow]

are there signs of war in Eden? I find it very hard to tell

[rigid mural]

There's weapons in the first winged light area as well as scattered throughout red eden iirc

[half shadow]

I didn’t backread fully but I wanted to say that I agree with you on the whole “the civilization didn’t start with the One falling and the kingdom forming.” I think it’s pretty clear to see the cave of prophecy was already an established thing pre-Kingdom. I mean it’s implied in the name that the mural is a prophecy, meaning it was made prior to it being fulfilled

[sharp lichen]

Yes I know Isle's geography is wrong and all that, but if the animation project is considered a source (and it is, by you):

There are multiple direct links between the switch trailer and the 2 teasers for the animation project.

We see these barren, empty lands in all 3 videos and I wonder how they could be so rapidly developed in the matter of just a few decades.

[sterile orchid]

i swear i saw the piles of lanterns before the quests were unlocked for the spirits, and there's no pile of lanterns on the floor after you go up past floor 2 so i doubt the quest is going to be there - maybe it would be somewhere in Archives? that's the only place I remember seeing the lanterns that we haven't had in a quest yet (assuming they didn't put a few piles for decoration)

[half shadow]

I always saw the shots of the desert as having been after the fall of the kingdom, if we’re thinking of the same thing. Not before it

[sharp lichen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBQRCHusYyU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxHFy9503N4

The second video shows what appears to be before the kingdom

[half shadow]

I don’t think we can really infer it being the exact same locations as the Isle, but also, I don’t consider it out of the possibility there was already an established civilization of Ancestors who lived in a desert area perhaps as nomads. Talking about the second video specifically, we aren’t given any further shots to indicate it’s in the Isle aside from the fact there’s a lot of sand, if that’s what you’re saying

I alsomight just be confused but to clarify: are you saying that the civilization of ancestors was founded after the One fell and the Kingdom was formally created?

[sharp lichen]

I was referring more to Wasteland/ another place, Isle was shown as a woody grassland area.

[sharp lichen]

I don't exactly know, but I never thought there was that big of difference between the ancestor civilization and the formal creation of the kingdom(s)? We already know so little about Ancestor society, and now it's trying to throw darts blindfolded

[half shadow]

okay in that case I think I got confused. to clarify my point I do think that the cave of prophecy was something from before the time of the Kingdom, back when Ancestor civilization may be described (even though I don’t like using this word usually) as “primitive,” and during that time one major prophecy was recorded as a mural. I’m also pretty sure this is what Salem was saying but if I’m mistaken just lemme know

[sharp lichen]

Sorry i'm hyperfocused on the animation teaser, like what's going on there? We see pictures of a grassy Wasteland, but in the same teaser we see a completely barren desert. The only thing that's coming up is maaybe Starlight Desert, but even then we see nothing of Eden. There's also a marshy area that resembles Prairie, a Forest that's probably Forest, and a woodland Isle.

If Isle, Prairie, Forest, and Wasteland are essentially ruled out, what could that desert be? Valley and Eden are too mountainous

It's not like TGC just said "screw it just make a cool looking area" because it shows up in 3 different videos

[half shadow]

tbh I cant really pinpoint any exact locations in the animation trailer, they all just look like environment shots that could be from any other part of the world imo. like nothing registers as “oh that’s the Wasteland” to me, it just looks like a grassy plain. I also still don’t think that the desert area at the very start HAS to be Isle, it could easily be possibly another part of the world with a desert. I think it’s safe to bet that the animation project will be going into much more detail of the world which could be including other regions of the environment that aren’t exactly present in the game.

Talking about the Switch trailer though, I do think that’s showing a very direct “here is what Isle looked like in the past, here is how it looks now” but everything else I’m not sure about

[sharp lichen]

Here's the thing: even if the other areas don't have a clear fit (besides Forest), there is still absolutely nowhere the desert could fit. You can't just have a place turn from a desert into a grassland/ice mountain/futuristic elevator vault/doom city in a few decades

[keen shore]

Judging by the geometry of the switch trailer, it may be a desert outside the ‘bounds’ of isle, covered by sea currently like what happened to treasure reef

[sharp lichen]

Fish, if you may be lost, me and Salem were talking about when the Animation project would've occured in the Sky timeline. They said around a few decades, I say around a century

[keen shore]

I already said I don’t use the switch trailer as evidence, I was talking about the animation teaser

[sharp lichen]

Arh, that brings up more questions than answers. How did this gigantic desert flood? Where are the Ancestors coming from?

[half shadow]

that makes a bit more sense then sorry lmao. but! to that point I still think it could be the case that a desert area could have existed within the world of sky no matter how long ago it was. I mean we have starlight desert, which while in present day is clearly under the effects of the Vault’s magic, could very easily have just been a desert beforehand. I mean heck we don’t even know if GW used to be a non-desert, it could have been mostly desert even during the time of the kingdom while at the same time having a very flourishing civilization there

[sharp lichen]

But we do see a non-desert Wasteland flourishing

[sterile orchid]

the geography probably wound up in the same situation as Earth. too many people using too many things and not getting rid of it properly made things mess up and now the world is forever broken

[half shadow]

are we sure that this is GW though? all i see is some similar looking architecture, as well as the fact that it’s also concept art

[keen shore]

The gigantic desert presumably would’ve flooded the same way treasure reef did. After all, looking at the map, they’re not too far apart. At least some ancestors are heavily implied to come from a different place, too; just look at running wayfarer, whose infocard directly states they came from a better land. It’s not as blatant as it used to be because some of the spirits’ names and memories were updated, but there’s still a general theme of isle spirits being named some variant of drifter, voyager, pilgrim, etc.

[sharp lichen]

There's also a similar (same?) shot of it in a different angle

And @keen shore , while your theory about it being the ocean floor isn't my favorite, it's unfortunately the best we have

[sharp lichen]

That brings to the burning question: Are there lands beyond the world of Sky as we know of it?

[keen shore]

I mean, probably. It would be really weird if this relatively small continent was all there was.

Keep in mind that both of those images you posted might be proof of concepts/concept art figuring out the trailer and not 100% canon also, so idk if they’re completely reliable for theories until we get something better

[half shadow]

i’m sorry I still don’t really see the correlation between the two concept art pieces. there’s some greenery in the image yeah, but that might not be GW. or maybe it is.

i might have just gotten myself confused again but as far as i ever considered it goes like this:

Past Isle being non-desert —> Kingdom era Isle also being non-desert —> Potentially hundreds or thousands of years after the Kingdom’s destroyed, Isle has become desert

just ignore me if that’s not what we’re talking about lmao

[sharp lichen]

TI mean, this is how most fantasy worlds operate. A singular continent is what represents the whole world most of the time. It would also be incredibly weird if we have this really well-tight collection of 7 realms with continuous new content and then BAM! Sky 2!

@half shadow that image definitely seems to show the Wasteland Temple

[keen shore]

I mean, where else do you think running wayfarer and the other pilgrims came from?

[sterile orchid]

i imagine there was a giant shockwave (or a few) when Eden decided it didn't want things to live anymore so that's probably a lot of the reason why the areas are destroyed, who knows what a shockwave from something seemingly made out of pure darkness could do?

[sharp lichen]

Since Ancestors seemed to have been created from The Light and descended from Orbit, it's possible Isle/Home was the starting place for Ancestors and they slowly migrated to the other kingdoms. And a pilgrim in this context would be going to Eden/Orbit yet again, repeating the cycle of light

[half shadow]

okay well if it is the Wasteland temple then all that does is prove that there was once grass there. But even if the fact is that both past Isle and past GW weren’t deserts, I struggle to understand why there possibly being another desert somewhere else in the world in the past is hard to believe. very clearly a lot about the environment in Sky changed, and while ingame we have a very streamlined idea of how every area is connected, the ability for the animation to expand on what would be more realistic for the world versus what’s been turned into the game can be addressed by adding or detailing tons of other places that may not have a 1:1 link to ingame areas

[keen shore]

Running wayfarer text:

``Running Wayfarer

Here you stand with memories tossed by ocean waves, cut on stones along a path that promised a place to mend.

And here you stand with your offering: Memories of a heart that was wounded but never abandoned its longing for the light of a new horizon.``

Given the place to mend bit, and the fact they arrived on a boat, I think they came from somewhere much worse than Orbit

I could see them coming from Wasteland mayyyybe

[half shadow]

yeah i’ve also always assumed that there was more to the world beyond what encompasses Sky, or at least there was a vague hint of it. kinda reminds me of Elden Ring almost with how it all takes place in the “Lands Between” where all this crazy monumental stuff with Outer Gods happens, but vaguely refers to places outside of it existing

[sharp lichen]

I do wonder, since the Sky world map shows Home as directly below Isle, perhaps the journey was from home to Isle? I know that it's somewhat controversial, but given that this is the spot Skykids fall to, it would make sense Ancestors would fall there as well especially because they're considered part of the Light

[half shadow]

well technically Skykids originally fall to the Isle right?

[sharp lichen]

It was changed multiple times. Home, Isle, Home, Isle, with every new update it seems to change.

Also pilgrim is defined as a "religious journey to a sacred place". I always thought of Eden as a sacred place

[half shadow]

unless you think Ancestors were also slingshotted to earth by Megabird/Orbit/the Light like skykids were, which could be the case, but tbh i’ve always seen the Ancestors as somehow more “mortal” in that they weren’t like the Skykids. we don’t know how the original pilgrimage to Eden went and what happened to an Ancestor after completing it, but i sort of feel like it wasn’t the exact same sequence that we get when we go to Orbit nowadays

[sharp lichen]

Maybe they descended in a more peaceful way, like say boats

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

There's also this cool theory

[half shadow]

I guess so, but I also assumed that the ascent to Eden was like not only something done for religious purposes, but also done nearing the end of the Ancestor’s life, and that they don’t physically return in the same way Skykids do, but rather their Light energy is basically gathered and distributed throughout the world. kinda like how Vela drew it that one time. oh lmao we’re thinking the same thing

[sharp lichen]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

Oh if we're talking debated Sky subjects you have... this.

[half shadow]

another point that could both credit the idea that “Ancestors came from another land” and “Ancestors came from the Light” could be that the Ancestor race as a whole exists and worships the Light not just within the world of Sky, but beyond it as well

[half shadow]

oh shoot this is awesome, i’ve always loved the preformance story but hadn’t ever seen all of the options compiled before!

[sharp lichen]

It's awesome until you look at it and you have no idea who the child is. Is it the Chosen One? Is it a Skykid? Is it an Ancestor?

[half shadow]

tbh i still think it’s awesome lmao. looking at all the options, i think that the various stories able to be told have some that hint very clearly at it being the Chosen One, while others being about the Skykid. i could probably sort them into “this is about the Skykid” vs “this is about the Chosen One” if you gave me some time

[sharp lichen]

From a lore standpoint maybe I could see it, but it would make absolutely no sense from a game standpoint, why would they focus so much around these seven realms and then just introduce one more?

[half shadow]

well it might not be something ever brought into the gameplay. again to compare to elden ring, the story is confined to “the lands between” but implied to be part of a larger world outside of them, however, the larger world isn’t shown

[sharp lichen]

But if it was in the Chosen One era, why does it say stuff about a desert?

[untold notch]

isle

[sly edge]

ohhh alrighty my bad, i rarely use discord

[half shadow]

about the stories again though- the one about hearing bells chiming and seeing the temple and how “their new adventure has begun?” clearly reminiscent of the start skykids journey. the one about the child seeing a flame in the distance and someone holding a candle out to them? also could easily be about encountering another Skykid and becoming friends in the Isle. but honestly, I kind of think the intention is for the identity of this child to be vague, and that we are supposed to question if it’s the Chosen One being discussed or the Skykid. there’s already a lot of parallels between the two (and it would also feed into my theory that the Chosen One is, in some way, apart of the Skykids somehow)

oh and as for the desert being mention; not all of past isle could have been a desert. some parts could have been green, and others mostly sandy.

[sharp lichen]

isle wasn't always a desert ignore that sry

[untold notch]

if our skykid is telling a story it could be assumed they'd make it a desert since that's (probably) all they know

[sharp lichen]

how would skykids know about the Chosen One? Are all Skykids canonically lore nerds?

[half shadow]

i mean, the same way we do. learning from the murals and all of the ways the idea of a Chosen One’s existence is foreshadowed throughout the world. or maybe the spirits told them

[keen shore]

How they would know about them is up for you to decide >:3

but considering Night gives us some clues in a mural at the end of their cutscene, at the very least that probably

[untold notch]

the mem'ry

[sharp lichen]

I mean of course the skykids are all just incredibly talented at lore why wouldn't they be

[half shadow]

unironically this though, like, why wouldn’t they be? maybe it’s just that i had a generally easy time piecing together an idea of what went down just by inferring based on the murals and environmental storytelling myself, i don’t think it’s crazy to assume that in-universe the Skykids couldn’t

in any case I think the line between the Chosen One and the Skykid are purposefully made blurry, which is a big part of why I believe in the theory that the Skykids are the Chosen One reincarnated

[sharp lichen]

I used to believe that theory a lot, but Shattering changed my perspective on it. I still think they're at least a successor to the Chosen One

[half shadow]

that’s valid! if anything Shattering STRENGTHENED mine tbh, just goes to show how interpretable the lore is

[sharp lichen]

i made a 40 minute video on it and I can't just let it go to waste

[random token]

What's the topic?

I sometimes have trouble following but I get some bits

[sharp lichen]

It started off as what time period the switch trailer/animation project was set in the Sky world.

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[random token]

Ohh thank you. Definitely at the beginning though wouldn't it? They look like they're thriving or just settling in at isle. Or could be right before disaster

Really I hope the animation gives us lots of hints and clues. The channel will boom lol

Much like eden

[sharp lichen]

I said it was a century or more before the disaster, Salem said just a few decades

[random token]

Well do we know how years or time in sky works exactly?

[sharp lichen]

There’s also the question of what the desert thing in the videos are because the two “deserts”, Wasteland and Isle, are shown to be different

[round parrot]

I want to work on one based on how often the eden bell chimes at home

[random token]

I would have to guess it's isle starting to decay?

Sorry I haven't been active here btw I have to focus on another server

[flint bolt]

So, any update on the lore of rocks?

[cold sparrow]

rock is having a good time

[untold notch]

I think the rock went to the concert

[earnest briar]

Does anyone else find it funny how we get Slouching Soldier, who is implied to be divorced, announced on Valentine’s Day?

Also wasn’t there a theory that the Prince Spirits are caricatures of the Elders and that Slouch represents Dusk? That just makes it even funnier because not even their caricature can escape the divorce.

[untold notch]

RAAAAAAAAH

[keen shore]

MY FRIENDS WERE SAYING THEY HOPE IT HAPPENS AS A MEME THEN IT ACTUALLY HAPPENED

[frigid tinsel]

Last year, TGC gave us the leviathan for Valentine’s Day. This year, they have us the depressed cringe fail divorceé.
TGC knows how to party 🤘

[keen shore]

An aspect of Slouch’s memory I think a lot about is that at one point, they hallucinate three soldiers. 2/3 of these — saluting captain, fainting warrior — are likely wasteland soldiers who we know both died during the war. The third one is Backflipping Champion, who is probably from Valley, and by association we can guess something similar happened with them even if we don’t see it. It’s really interesting how the death of one (or two if you think Slouch is from Valley) of the ‘enemy’ soldiers tears Slouch up just as much as the deaths of their comrades

[rigid iron]

I hope slouch is having a good valentines day all things considered I wanna buy a big bulk box of those valentines that come with lollypops and stickers and pass them out to spirits

[frigid tinsel]

giving them Minecraft bread with cherry blossoms

[random token]

Lol

[quick jasper]

hanging out with my favorites this days of love ( they're all sad soldiers )

[grim python]

the poor kid sitting in the row beneath the massive boulder

[untold notch]

is it a big rock or a small rock was that ever said

[grim python]

if it started out as a rock in sanctuary I always assumed it was just one of those huge ones in the ocean

[untold notch]

I've thought it was like . a pebble

truly these are the important lore questions

[sterile orchid]

it's definitely a rock in Sanctuary but which one we'll never know because the rock goes back to the same spot after their travels :)

[grim python]

has anyone even seen the supposed traveling rock what if it’s all just a conspiracy

[raw crypt]

LITERALLUY

[sterile orchid]

something that would be cool is if they did actually place a rock at the areas the travelling rock mentions and maybe it can be a hunt to figure out where they might visit next

no one would truly realize until patch notes

[half shadow]

celebrating days of love with one of the most depressed spirits in the game i’m so happy

[sharp lichen]

Slouching Soldier does really represent all of us in #lore-discussion-spoilers

[rigid iron]

No...please I can't take another well-hidden easter egg

[random token]

So do the places in TLP represent the realms?

[livid crypt]

Please remember that the themes in The Little Prince do touch on some IRL topics that involve pain, loss, and trauma. That doesn't mean this server is the right place to joke about substance abuse, trauma or other IRL struggles. The message of the story is not about dwelling on suffering, but on looking inward for the contradictions we all live with. Feel free to discuss the specific plot points of the story and how it relates to the game, but please also be careful in how we all extrapolate those topics into IRL stuff that doesn't fit in this server

[sterile orchid]

i find it especially funny that my friend was literally talking to me about travelling spirits & slouching soldier before we logged off last night and by sheer coincidence, that exact character is the next TS

[brisk python]

i was literally praying for either slouching soldier or frantic stagehand as the next ts im so happy rn

[frigid tinsel]

Frantic Stagehand TS
I need a minute

[brisk python]

yeah i want stagehand for the robe so bad who knows when that will happen (me, a shattering moth)

[sterile orchid]

i feel so old being a flight moth but i also feel so tiny because i have absolutely no experiences (or even cosmetics) to show for it bc i got bored of the game so quickly and the friends that introduced me stopped playing after the season
("the quests for the season are taking too long, i'll take a break from playing for a bit" i say as the next time i come back to the game is in the middle of Abyss)

[frigid tinsel]

<<TLP moth aging 57 years at today’s TS announcement

[half shadow]

MOOD

[rigid mural]

iirc it's an in-joke in bug patches, not a litteal rock you can find

[sterile orchid]

i believe that's what they were referring to

[livid crypt]

a joke??? so all my rockumentation isn't canon???

[rigid mural]

Gotta send that resume to TGC, maybe you could bribe a 3D artist to make it canon

[livid crypt]

one of my skillsets is 3D modelling and animation. I'm going to make it myself and send it in. Maybe someone will sneak it into a build

[sterile orchid]

it would actually be awesome to see that happen though
the patch notes rock becoming a canon thing would be so cool

[tepid veldt]

not me not recognizing vela because no more birdkeeper pfp (unless it is birdkeeper and im silly)

[keen shore]

thinking about slouch

[atomic lava]

wdy giys think of this?

[frigid tinsel]

Comrades

[rigid mural]

Lovers

[random token]

Probably sad due to the war

[sterile orchid]

Isn't there also what looks like a family in another part of their memory

[frigid tinsel]

Yea, a spouse and kid(s)

[keen shore]

It’s really interesting because Backflip is from Valley, that’s where we find them, which means

1. they actually joined the “wasteland” side for whatever reason, which means the war was a bit more complicated than wasteland vs valley (which tbf we had already guessed) and for whatever reason Backflip felt more aligned with the sun side, but was returned to Valley after
2. Slouch still recognizes and feels guilty about their death and mourns them despite them being from the other side. Possible reasons for this could include Slouch being the kind of empathetic person who can’t really shut that part of themselves off and so seeing others die still deeply hurts them, or it could even be because they’re the one who killed Backflip and vividly remember that.

We’d probably never know for sure but it’s really interesting to think about. I’d love to know the logic behind why Backflip was included, because the other two are soldiers from Wasteland we know died in tragic ways and so it’s pretty easy to say the same thing happened to Backflip too, although we don’t see it and they’re from Valley.

[spring python]

That damned thing went on to become a whole seasonal guide and I wish it a terrible life

[sharp lichen]

Did the rock become a seasonal guide, or did a seasonal guide become a rock?

[pastel brook]

-AI brain explodes-

[uneven hearth]

Wanna read that guess about valley vs wasteland i missed this moment or something else

[sterile orchid]

What I think makes the most sense is that they were all friends before the war who eventually joined different sides, and possibly they had to make the choice to kill each other, it's entirely possible that slouching soldier is the only one who survived that part of the battle

[pastel brook]

Nonsense!

Preposterous!

[sterile orchid]

Shush, skybot

[pastel brook]

oof

[sharp lichen]

In the Aurora concert, we see magic cyan artillery fired from the sky at Wasteland. We know that the Valley Elders possessed cyan light, so they could’ve used it as weapons and thus fought Wasteland

[random token]

Pew pew

[raw crypt]

oh i straight up forgot to send my message talking abt slouch memory oops

I think the whole thing about slouch “chasing after their own memories”/hallucinations really highlights how war takes things away, these things that should not be fleeting, friendships, family, are; I personally saw the three soldiers as slouch’s friends, especially since it was likely wasteland and valley were close at one point, and the hint about having once been an extrovert; and that the war had divided them, likely through death, chasing after memories of their friends :(

slouch has me coming back to lorechat LOL

with remembrance highlighting the fallout of war more than ever I think it shows how devastating the war was to so many people; its sad, i hope slouch enjoys the days of love event, they should be able to enjoy the pink grass

[lusty merlin]

ough,, this hurts

will give them a birthday cake tahts actually bread

[sterile orchid]

I imagine the pink grass is the most color they've seen outside of purple for a very long time

I wanna try and give them as much color as I can bc they seem like they could use some extra brightness now

[lusty merlin]

skykids painting their cape with patterns of light creatures and squiggly shapes

[sterile orchid]

me just covering them in flowers and watching people set off heart fireworks

[frigid tinsel]

imo those look like shields

[sterile orchid]

Maybe same material (probably metal) but those look way more like shields than part of an elders armor or something

[slate saffron]

Lord of the Moths

[pastel brook]

-strokes non-existent beard-

[broken pendant]

ngl with you rn I’ve just though he was an alcoholic this whole time

[earnest briar]

Slouch is an alcoholic, but it's because they use it to try and cope with all the loss and grief they struggle with.

[raw crypt]

Yeah, I’m not sure if the tippler in the original novel had much to their backstory but sky used the wasteland war for slouch’s backstory; their assigned realm is wasteland^^

[untold notch]

puts slouch and veteran (and wounded warrior?) in the same room

[frigid tinsel]

Shell shocked group therapy

[untold notch]

they all know the loss, what the sun took with it when it set for the last time

sorry the demons hello

uhhh yeah i think slouch and veteran should do the forehead touch thing

[lusty merlin]

Bonk the pain away

[rigid mural]

Geezer group therapy

[sterile orchid]

PTSD support group

[rigid mural]

I like to think Remembrance Guide and Geographer are/would be friends

[reef olive]

Okay so I am new to the lore channel, and I have many many thoughts and my first question is: what is y’alls take on the darkness?? I have a theory, but I want to scope out the landscape first

[untold notch]

doesn't taste very good

what's your theory?

[half shadow]

tastes very good

[sharp lichen]

tastes good when cooked, but otherwise mediocre

I believed that in the very early stages of the kingdom we see very little/none of it (switch trailer/animation project teaser). I think of darkness as a sort of mold. It doesn't come from anywhere, it just grows when certain conditions are met. These conditions to me are probably a lack of light, as the places with the most darkness are shielded from the light.

Darkness can also be interpreted as a parasite, with it latching on to spirits, skykids, and other things and feeding on it.

However, the darkness is not an inherently evil force. In the Season of Shattering, we communicate with a strange diamond called the Void of Shattering that seems to be a spiritual form of the big diamond we see at Eden. We also buy stuff from "ancient darkness"

[broken pendant]

tastes good in liquid form

[reef olive]

Woahhhh!! I missed out on some of the shattering lore, so I’m glad to hear this confirmed! I absolutely agree with your analysis of it as a mold, and it makes sense that it would have a greater sentience! May I share my dakrness theorum?

[untold notch]

go ahead

[reef olive]

So, my theory is pretty much what Baud mentioned, that the darkness can actively be seen consuming and being present in wildlife and in certain areas.

The largest points of evidence in my statement are the krill, and the crabs, prime examples of the darkness making its presence in creatures. These examples point to three properties of the darkness that compose my theory: Darkness causes increased aggression, it actively creates spores within its host, and that it can be eradicated from within a creature when burned.

To begin with, my first point of increased aggression can be observed within crabs. There are two distinct crab populations in the Sanctuary Islands, one out in the border islands, broad daylight, completely free of darkness, and passive to the sky child. Meanwhile, the cave crabs on the main island are notorious for their aggressive behavior' and dark conditions. Hence, the correlation can be made that darkness = increased aggression towards creatures of light. As Baud also mentioned, I don’t believe that the aggression the darkness causes is ‘evil’, or malicious, as it is simoly a wild creature trying to survive, and this is its niche. I do believe though, that it may originate from a foreign ecosystem, leading it to dominate the world of Sky.

My second point states that the krill uses it’s host to produce more spore. Although it has been acknowledged that darkness can grow wild under certain conditions, there is evidence that it can grow within a host. This can be seen in the krill, one of the largest creatures of darkness. The krill emit darkness particles profusely, more than any other known entity. While other entites such as crabs and statues are covered in darkness, krill actively and constantly emit these particles. I believe that this is the manifestation of the darkness spores using the host’s energy, and creating more spores. While it could be argued that this behavior is not observed in crabs, I believe that this emission of spores still occurs in crabs, simply to a much smaller scale. Krill being exponentially bigger, it makes sense that this would be more observable (cont.)

Finally, my last point is that darkness spores can be removed from within a creature when exposed to fire. To support this, I look to the bonfire in the golden wasteland. The golden wasteland is notorious for having one of the highest concentrations of darkness in the 7 realms, especially the Golden Wasteland’s graveyard. Yet on the edge of the graveyard, despite the waters practically steeped in darkness spores, I have observed passive crabs, free of these spores. These darkness-free crabs are found right next to the bonfire, where they are directly exposed to fire. Infact, if you release the crabs directly on top of the bonfire, you will notice that they are darkness free. Hence, I believe that darkness can be eradicated fro:any creature, provided that it is exposed to enough fire.

So, TLDR: My theory is that darkness manifests in creatures of light, causing imcreased aggression, emission of darkness spores, and that darkness can be eradicated from within a creature with fire. Apologies if I’m simply restating the obvious!

[untold notch]

there is very little in this game that's obvious, this is very well written

[reef olive]

Thank you, the goal of this piece is simply to clearly state a lot of the properties that jave been implied.

[broken pendant]

get a horde of sky kids to swarm a krill and burn the darkness off we can save it guys come on 🕯️

[reef olive]

Spam fireworks at them until they are back

And on this theory, I thought that might be the origin of the firework stick; to cleanse the bigger creatures! Except for the fact that it doesn’t work lol 😂

[broken pendant]

I always imagined that it could also be used as a pretty powerful weapon. Fireworks are pyrotechnics after all

It’s literally a bomb flinger

[reef olive]

For real! And I thought, if this piece of PYROTECHNIC TECHNOLOGY is coming out of what was an active warzone, was it really just used for celebrating??

[lusty merlin]

ooo i rlly like this idea! and i agree with astral, very well written!

[reef olive]

Ahhhh thank you for the kind sentiments! I appreciate it greatly! Consider it my debut, lol

[broken pendant]

An enemy soldier watching the rainbow fireworks some guy just manifested from a staff about to land on their face:

[lusty merlin]

oo that reminds me, theres a catapult off to the upper left side of the bonfire area. i mention this because the bowl that would hold stuff is made of metal. And everywhere i looked at all irl catapults were made of wood, no metal bowl in sight, maybe they used magic to make fireballs for krill

[reef olive]

Literally thoooo 💀

[reef olive]

You’re right!! I think there’s definitely merit to this claim!

[broken pendant]

Y’all already know they were messing with fire. Idk what else could launch the soldiers in the concert that violently.

[reef olive]

Because of the krill over the shipwreck, clearly the firework stick didn’t work that well against the krilly boi.

Or, who knows, perhaps the shipwreck is older than the krill!

[broken pendant]

though it’s kinda funny to imagine that the blue lights descending from the cloud tunnel and blowing up soldiers during the seed portion are just us as birds getting shot out of the sky and hitting the ground at such high velocity’s that we become equivalent to grenades

[reef olive]

I have to wonder where the darkness came from… with the deathgrip it has on the realms, I doubt it evolved into a niche here, it shows signs of being invasive.

Also, why are certain creatures more prone to infection? Mantas come into constant contact with it, yet never get infected!

Also, do you think darkness prevents creatures from ascending??? 👀

[lusty merlin]

i'd like to personally think there's a balance of light and dark: animals made with nearly pure light (mantas) which would protect them from darkness, crabs i see in the middle, made of some light but maybe they can be made of more organic matter and more prone to corruption, and dark creatures like the krill and the leviathan from abyss being made of mostly darkness than light and not having the urge to ascend

though krill are canonically corrupted, so maybe an imbalance happened with darkness from pollution, hence how they possibly could've been corrupted. But there are friendly crabs with no dark particles we see so it can be cured

and skykids i see being in a weird state, made of light but can also completely separate from it if they loose it yet growing crystals when we have zero

love to have some dark plant crumbs someday, because we know its everywhere and grow in most places yet know so little about it💔

[reef olive]

I’m fascinated by your theory of balancing lights and darks! It’s enlightening to think that the differing reactions to darkness could be caused by differing internal biology! I think it manages to encompass a lot of thr properties observed in the creatures in sky! It does lead me to think though, what is to say that pre-darkness krill had any less light than modern day mantas? And what is to say that modern day mantas aren’t organic? Old-krill and manta seemed to share many traits and abilites, similar coloring, similar styles of locomotion, indicating that they evolved to similar niches! Do krill and manta differ in biology, or were other factors in play?

Logging off! This first discussion has been very enlightening, many thanks!

[lusty merlin]

Yay fair enough, mostly speculating as I haven’t really delved deep into this concept Can see krill and manta having different biology though not sure how currently

[lucid sphinx]

Aurora is the Megabird

[bold trellis]

Has there been any confirmed info on how sky kids keep their masks on? Also, is the mask their face or do you all think the no face mask is just a design choice for the game? 🤔

[lusty merlin]

Not quite sure for how they keep it on, I just assume it’s somewhat like a magnet. Maskless is intersting though, since skykids eyes are always closed with them (maskless and aurora face paint,but not with broken ones like cannoneer or elder masks which might as well be maskless minus the headpieces.) I’d personally think the masks just masks, not exactly part of their face but just another layer to their identity.Yeti pants also make the lashes white so I do think maskless is intentional, ooh and the ancestor that gives us maskless have their eyes open unlike aurora ancestors

Reminds me but tea and food from the bloom sets let skykids drink from their masks too, with or without them. Our capes our made of light, they don’t cast a shadow on the ground but our body does. So maybe the rest of out cosmetics are too made of light in a way? Could give a non game mechanic reason on how we have so many cosmetics without an actual closet, just rambling idk

[brisk python]

plus with the 3rd tier facepalm expression we see the mask get pulled from the face but it floats right back into place afterwards

[lusty merlin]

That too! Legit thought it was a funny bug that would be patched cuz I didn’t see it till story teller used in in performance, but I guess it’s intentional

[brisk python]

still gets me thinking about why skykids keep their eyes closed when maskless but open their eyes with masks on

[pastel brook]

What was the Ancestor form of currency?

[hushed steeple]

Hello! Can i ask what is the traveling spirit tommorow?

[cold sparrow]

That's best to ask in #questions-and-help
This chat is for discussing the story of Sky

[torn socket]

All your hypothesis is incredibly well searched, i'd love to discover more about the light-dark balance of child of light, especially concerning the different state they can have and how can they switch between them ( it depend on different condition I suppose, but which one ?)

[unreal apex]

I've thought a lot about light and darkness when doing world building for our role play groups in the past as well as for my own world building for indie games.

The way I saw it, before coming to this discord, was that both infested crabs and shrimps either feed on the light or envy it. Hence crabs are not really aggressive but when they spot light (red crystal crabs can be taunted even with shouting / light pulses), they want to claim it for their own and feed on it.

(keep in mind that I only skimmed through the last 50 or so messages here so sorry if it's been said before)

[torn socket]

It has been said but you dig deeper in the reason of absorbing light :) .Dw it's still Interesting to alight other part of the lore ( beside there's so much debate in there that i'll not be surprised to see that every subject has been debated here

[thorny axle]

what is this beast and what part does it play in the lore?

[cold sparrow]

friend

[sharp lichen]

The collateral damage would be insane

Like trying to use a grenade to bring down a helicopter

[sharp lichen]

Aw you missed on best season

There’s a video I have about this though #promote-your-sky-content message

[rigid mural]

You can see it on a few murals in the Treasure Reef; usually depicted below the facility you explore on the later quests, or surfacing and scaring ships.
Perhaps it lived here before ancestors built a lab here and could have been considered a ressource...

[sharp lichen]

I think it came as a result of conditions in the environment.

I use my darkness to mold comparison here because both of them use sporelike particles to spread.

Some realms have almost no darkness (Isle, Valley, and Vault) but some have more than enough.

I think that darkness plants are easily removed, like mold, but if left untreated they can spread everywhere

[unreal apex]

Angry mold 😱

[terse agate]

Mega bird vs angry universe mold

[reef olive]

I think this is right! The darkness-carrying creatures certain,y dislike light, and as light is literally energy, it makes sense that they would feed upon it! Another thought I had was that their aggression towards light creatures was an instinctual reaction imposed by the fungi. Its been made clear that darkness fungi is can be damaged by light, so perhaps aggression also acts as a defense mechanism!

[untold notch]

it's also interesting to note that so far light creatures have been pack animals while dark creatures have been solitary

[reef olive]

I believe a function of the fungus! Once the fungus has its host, its obvious orimary goals would be one thing: makes more spores. Socializing in a pack would not go to further this goal, and would therefore be left out of the new instinctual instruction.

[cold sparrow]

idk if you can say that, considering we see three krills hunting together, and see several darkness-corrupted crabs crowding together and even helping each other

[round parrot]

Well, it is certainly possible for dark creatures to travel in a pack (see: the battlefield krills summoned after a cutscene), though it may possibly be adapted from light creatures. Either due to krills originating from light creatures, or witnessing groups of light creatures working together (to achieve a goal)

[untold notch]

hm. I was gonna say something about crab mentality the irl thing but that does make sense

[round parrot]

oh yeah I completely forgot about crabs helping each other unflip flipped crabs
( the shard crabs are an exception though)

[reef olive]

So there appears to be socialization among darkness creatures! This indicates far greater complexity of the darkness then initially thought, it makes sens though, as it is a sentient being!

Not to overindulge in my own train of thought, but I can see how these social interactions would go to further the darkness spores. Crabs mobilizing each other, krill together hunting a threat, these behaviors definitely still fall into a pattern.

[cold sparrow]

for the crabs, I imagine that's just behavior that already existed in them before getting corrupted

[reef olive]

I agree! It would have been a useful maneuver even beforehand!

[untold notch]

the land remembers

[cold sparrow]

I wonder about the shard crabs
I could imagine those are rather pieces of red shards that more or less reshaped themselves on the memory of crabs and came to life in a way, to protect the rest of the shards and hunt for light (like the crab memory fragments you pick up in phase 2 of a shard)

[reef olive]

My thought is that they were just another behavior modifier, like the darkness. They took a host.

[sterile orchid]

there's like 5 krill in the graveyard that overlap in their movement patterns quite a bit, feels somewhat similar to a family of hawks searching for prey together
certain birds of prey like hawks are actually a good way of imagining krill behavior; most of the time, they're solitary, but sometimes there's a larger group of them going out to hunt as one pack, usually two smaller groups that are related to each other (like parents and their chicks, and it's occasionally after the chicks already know how to hunt)

[unreal apex]

What are those things in the fire trial?

They look like a ghibli monster

[frigid tinsel]

Dunno, often nicknames worms, they’re exclusive to the Fire Trial

[round parrot]

Since the fire trial is the trial of bravery, I assume that the worms are the personification of fear and doubts

[supple goblet]

NOOO i reached the end of my back reading here

anyways, you never saw me! i was never here ooooo 👻
goes back to lurking

[reef olive]

Those creatures are referred to as smoke monsters, or by the fanbase as owls! They are quite mysterious, as they are only observed in the fire trial

[sterile orchid]

i've always seen those called "dark worms"

[round parrot]

I always called them funky worms or whatever these worms are

[sterile orchid]

worm on string

[reef olive]

How fascinating! They seem to follow paths like the krill

[supple goblet]

someone called them fuzzy worms once

[round parrot]

Fuzzy worms

[sterile orchid]

there's a proper brand name for 'worm on string' but it was very hard to find when i was trying to buy one and i forget it now that i got one from an arcade... (he's light blue and his name is wormy and he actually has lore)

[cold sparrow]

they're probably artificial beings, created along with the trial
to imagine them as personifications of fear and doubt is quite fitting

[reef olive]

Very true very true, the trials are very metaphorical

[supple goblet]

ooh wait im very interested now, what do all of the trials mean? i know fire trial is bravery but what are the rest?

[cold sparrow]

water is patience iirc

[reef olive]

Air is tenacity

[round parrot]

Earth is... Well earth /j

[cold sparrow]

was earth balance or something like that?

[round parrot]

I think so, yeah

[reef olive]

That sounds about right !

[supple goblet]

thank u all!

[reef olive]

Of course of course!

The darkness seems to be a very complex subject, as it’s origins are shrouded, and it’s modern day properties are only somewhat explained

[sterile orchid]

i find it very interesting how we have the light plants from the Abyss area and those look,, kinda similar to at least some of the dark plants tbh,,

[brittle flax]

do the elders have names besides just the place they are from?(isle elder, forest elder, ect) i saw something on tiktok about it

[cold sparrow]

officially not, they're only refered to by their title
internally within the dev team, they're refered to by the time of day that their realm represents
and within the fandom, they're also often named by the hebrew character they've been labeled with in some old concept art

[frigid tinsel]

The Elders (plus the king & prince) have names based off Hebrew letters from concept development that are no longer canon, though the fandom sometimes refers to them as such:
Isle – Daleth (ד)
Prairie – Ayin (ע)
Forest – Teth (ט)
Valley – Samekh (ס) (they share a name, though the fandom refers to as Sah and as Mekh)
Wasteland – Tsadi (צ)
Vault – Lamed (ל)
Prince – Alef (א)
King – Resh (ר)

Though it seems the devs refer to the Elders by the times of day their realms represent:
Isle – Dawn
Prairie – Day
Forest – Rain
Valley – Sunset
Wasteland – Dusk
Vault – Night
Eden — Storm

[broken pendant]

suh

[brittle flax]

oh! didn't even realize every realm was a time of day

[sterile orchid]

thank you alasdair for the reply i forgot everything but daleth and samekh

[cold sparrow]

wait until you learn that every realm represents a time in the life of a person

[brittle flax]

they what now?...

[untold notch]

wasteland being the midlife crisis realm sends me everytime like yeah it sure is

[sterile orchid]

i only know that isle is birth, Vault is old age, and Eden/Storm is death

[broken pendant]

Isle - Birth
Prairie - Kid
Forest - Teen
Valley - Adult
Wasteland - Mid-Life Crisis
Vault - Old
Eden - Die

[frigid tinsel]

In concept, the realms were developed in accordance to times of day, stages of life, and stages of civilization development
(btw don’t ping me, says so in my name)

[sterile orchid]

is there an actually readable picture of that last one i want to know what it says

[brittle flax]

sorry about the ping ;-;

[broken pendant]

I do think it’d be a lot funnier to refer to them by these names

[frigid tinsel]

No, that’s the highest quality one I have and have seen passed around

[sterile orchid]

but the development lore,,

[cold sparrow]

there might be one in the physical office of the team

[broken pendant]

Ngl guys I think my favorite elder is birth

[reef olive]

It’s interesting to think, perhaps the realm names (birth childhood etc.) refer to the growth of the civilization.

[cold sparrow]

you wouldn't refer to a civilization as having a "Midlife Crisis"

[untold notch]

looks at wasteland. it fits tho

[sterile orchid]

i mean you could but it's really only a description that fits on a person

[cold sparrow]

this sort of life to death to rebirth model is one that TGC already used for Journey
like, it's not that the world is meant to be a person, but it sort of represents your, well, journey through each area and likewise growing as a person

[frigid tinsel]

So many OCs are having midlife crises in Wasteland

[reef olive]

True true, midlife crisis I suppose only fits on a person lol

Mid civilization crisis??

[frigid tinsel]

Apocalypse

[uncut pond]

Late stage capitalism

[sharp lichen]

Did you backread the entire channel?

[sharp lichen]

Water is patience, earth is resilience, air is balance, Fire is courage

[supple goblet]

i would if i had the time

[sharp lichen]

Seems like a hard, though not impossible challenge. 3 years of content!

[untold notch]

that sounds like a really bad idea, if only from a time standpoint

[supple goblet]

true!

[untold notch]

backreading 3 entire years worth of messages in an active channel.... that would take so long

[unreal apex]

Water is flexibility and adjustment
Earth is warmth and stability
Fire is temperament and valour
Air is feeble, short lived and cold

Depends on your world building and agenda as a storyteller. The old 4 elements model (Greek) and 5 elements model (Chinese) often only works well with the limited knowledge and cultural background of the time and people that came up with the concept.

And don't get me started on bile

[bold trellis]

Thank you so much for the explanation. That makes a lot of sense. I totally forgot how much light plays apart in making things like capes/winged light etc. I'll keep this in mind as I make fun stories in my head with my character 😊👍

[sharp lichen]

That’s odd, there’s quite a disparity between the classical element description and the Trial’s virtuales

[sterile orchid]

there's uh. almost 650,000 messages in this channel according to a "sort by new" search but nearly 800,000 when trying to find the oldest

[unreal apex]

The trials are quite literal and only the fire trial is more meta in my eyes

[sterile orchid]

i don't really see how you can see "sky kid floats between platforms" as literally representing the element of air

[unreal apex]

Trial of water... Ebb and flow of literal water

Trial of earth, lots of stone you need to navigate over/through

Trial of air, get thrown around by air

Trial of fire, bring fire into darkness

I guess your post was ironic sarcasm and I totally missed it... シ

[sterile orchid]

it was 100% not sarcasm i literally don't see how that fits solely the element... getting thrown around by air doesn't fit with representing the element itself too well, i feel like actually flying while trying to avoid the wind pushing you around would work better for a literal take on it

[unreal apex]

I think it's best to agree to disagree on this one.

[cold sparrow]

That might be fair, but these trials were made by ancestors who couldn't actually fly

[untold notch]

discord search is not good

[sterile orchid]

correct. there's simply too many messages for it to find much of anything (comparatively) unless you're more specific than "search in lorechat"

[lusty merlin]

Plus back reading an entire chat will show theories and concepts that would be really outdated or disproven with the newer seasons the older you go

[broken pendant]

You should read my messages they’re silly

[torn socket]

That'd be Interesting to see if the old hypothesis were right, tho ( Or which one was the closest

[sharp lichen]

Maybe read it oldest to newest then?

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

Is the very first message

Good luck if you dare

[sharp lichen]

The very first theories in the channel ask the same questions we ask:

“Why does the rain hurt us?”

“Are capes made of light?”

“Where did the pollution come from?”

[sterile orchid]

i imagine the simplified version of the conversations went like
"why does the rain hurt us"
because it's polluted
"ok but why"

[half shadow]

“why does the rain hurt us?”

“it’s made of wasps”

[lusty merlin]

Full of wasps

[torn socket]

BzzzzzzZZZZZZZ

[sterile orchid]

the sky is all wasps

[torn socket]

The real question is : do we hurt rain when it hit us ?

[frigid tinsel]

we hurt the rain's feelings when we open our umbrella, blocking it's many flurried kisses

[torn socket]

And so rain adapted their composition to acid Thingy, preparing their revenge on all light being that ignored it

[lusty merlin]

I absolutely love that description of rain, flurried kisses

[torn socket]

Villain tragic backstory let's go

[tawdry glade]

[quick jasper]

gonna stand in the rain to let it know i think it's neat

[half shadow]

collects a cup of forest rainwater and drinks it while nobody’s looking

thinking about Slouching Soldier again and i just keep thinking about they and Wounded Warrior being able to meet up. i can’t remember if it’s obvious what “side” SS was on but regardless i think they should hug eachother

maybe even hold hands…..,

[sly edge]

Is there an official confirmed name for the creature the family was riding on in the Nintendo switch trailer yet?

I've been calling it a Light Dugong all this time lol

Also i wonder if it's what uncorrupted dark dragons are

[cold sparrow]

that's implying we have confirmed official names for anything

[sly edge]

We don't? I thought "dark dragons, spirit mantas" etc were confirmed

[sterile orchid]

i still like the idea that uncorrupted krill are somehow

[untold notch]

maybe veteran too but yes . big hugs all around

[sterile orchid]

based on the names of the spirits for the calls we get for baby & cosmic mantas, babies are called Lights and cosmic ones are called Memories (but that's confusing when we have Light, the place you get reborn and also what some people call wax, and memories, the things that we see when we relive spirits-)

[sly edge]

The names do be kinda conflicting

I'll just continue calling the mount in the animation project a light dugong lol

Also i noticed as a general rule the way creatures are seems to be

Crustaceans = Corrupted/ shadow creature

Fish/flight = light

[sterile orchid]

i think the only reason we call whales "whales" is because of the whale whisperer, and we get it from a skeleton that has the same face plating as the living creatures

[frigid tinsel]

“Dark dragons” is confirmed moreso cos it’s used in a title screen hint. Everything else, as far as I’m aware of, is fanon named

[unreal apex]

All beings except for the sky kids are nautical or at least sea themed, are they not？

I don't know the light dugongs from the trailer but all the light creatures I've seen so far look like (deep) sea creatures

Ah, butterflies and birds not, there goes my theory

[half shadow]

lots of them are yeah! the trailer creature looks like some sort of modified manta to me, but also does resemble a dugong somewhat.

[untold notch]

I hope they add more whales I like the whales

[brisk python]

yall saying dugong and im thinking of the pokemon 😔

[frigid tinsel]

had to look up dugong and look at this handsome fellow

[brisk python]

nooo my gif wont load
im just gonna delete it gndhfhd
dugongs are silly lil things

[unreal apex]

Manatee are better