lore-discussion-spoilers

[frigid tinsel]

yea, a lot of Skyblr takes Zhao's concept art as the word of god but not only are those concepts they're about a decade old so I would take any of those with a grain of salt unless you have evidence from the Live game to back it.

[tepid veldt]

could any of the enchantment colored lights be considered “malicious” or dangerous? this is one hundred percent not for oc lore

[shrewd zenith]

I don't think so. But aa they're sorta tools they can be used maliciously. Certain types of magic aint always appreciated. Colors too

[ebon wind]

That's a pretty good way to put it

[untold notch]

it's like the parable "Anything can be a weapon if you swing it hard enough"

[ebon wind]

Oh. I thought it's was "anything is combustible if you try hard enough" but I realise I was wrong

[untold notch]

it can be both

[ebon wind]

tries really hard and a moth explodes

[atomic lava]

i didnt realize either of those phrases existed-

[ebon wind]

One of them I may have made up

[untold notch]

the other I may have also made up

[atomic lava]

[ebon wind]

We're just quoting ourselves at this point hahah

[atomic lava]

there is something very human about that

[ebon wind]

Human? Ah yes I am human, very human indeed

Everything about me is human! Why wouldn't it be....

[untold notch]

yes haha I am also a human person yes yes

[atomic lava]

haha yes such humans !!!

[half shadow]

i don’t think weve seen any malicious use out of them so far. frankly im honestly not sure exactly what use they have tbh

[random token]

[cold sparrow]

I think darkstone vs the enchantment stuff is like
darkstone traps the light to drain it
while enchantment transforms it into something new and colorful and - for the most part - alive

[half shadow]

thats a neat interpretation!

[keen shore]

There are also a lot of scattered dev lore crumbs which I deeply appreciate. Most are about specific stories or seasons rather than the overarching story; for example, connections flight spirits have to basegame ones, but I personally believe these are just as important as the ‘major’ story, so they’re worth looking into.

Also, character card fun facts!

[half shadow]

Concept art can still be fun to look at though, and may provide some additional context to things youve noticed ingame already, even if they arent 100% accurate

[tepid veldt]

also ts hints, they mean nothing but peeking postman being the carrier in super mario bros wii lives rent free in my brain

[keen shore]

A good rule of thumb is that concept art can help support theories, but if it’s the only thing supporting a theory, you may want to reassess, especially if it’s a theory about something as major as the timeline.

[lusty merlin]

yaya! like the idea for wasteland turrets are cool but that's only seen in concept art so i make sure to state that's a headcannon of mine inspired by said concept art

[round parrot]

In my opinion, it depends on the nature of the colored lights - but like what Astral said, if it can be used enough, it can be used as a weapon

[keen shore]

Any colored light can be used quite terrifyingly as a weapon if you’re brave enough. For example, orange light controls fire. Every living being has a flame that keeps them alive. This goes sideways fast

[round parrot]

Put in with a mix of red light for more spice

[lusty merlin]

but tsadi, it's forbidden /ref

[round parrot]

OOH OOH
I HAD THIS ONE COMBO IN MY MIND FOR AN OC OF MINE
Since the red is usually around the darkness and the purple is around magic/illusion, it would be interesting to see these two mixed together to stir some chaotic shenanigans

[lusty merlin]

chaos magic

[atomic lava]

chibi creation /j

[native shoal]

Chibis are inherently chaotic, it’s the tall ones who are calmer

[random token]

Pick them up and stack

[frigid tinsel]

Had a thought that someone with a red light affinity would be glitchy cos red light affects darkness and there’s a basic level of darkness everywhere whereas purple light just affects reality so someone with a purple light affinity would mess with the reality around them. Essentially both are glitchy for different reasons

[native shoal]

Someone with purple light is the type to end up clipping through walls in universe

[cold sparrow]

I may not have paid enough attention to the Enchantment quest, but where do we learn what colored light is associated with what kind of effects?

[tepid veldt]

thanks for all the input 🤍
(shamelessly puts oc here) this little guy [they dont have a name yet] is apart of a group who’s been ostracized for basically nothing (thats not familiar at all!!) and i was thinking they would wield myst’s pink light—mostly unknown, and from my experience people do not like the unknown. but in fact, theyre pretty much harmless

[native shoal]

Idea for why the rain hurts in forest specifically

You know how acid rain works? It’s like that, there’s pollution and darkness in it

Forest would’ve been one of the more polluted areas, but they hadn’t passed the point of no return, and the soil could take care of it still, which is why the groundwater is fine

[atomic lava]

i kind of thought that yeah 👀 we know forest was pretty industrial
its possible that the pollution was mostly moved out to gw (dark water) but a bit of it got into the rain

[round parrot]

Interesting
is it a coincidence that my colored light-wielding OC also has the same cape? /positive

[tepid veldt]

is that uhhhhh zel ?

[round parrot]

OC redesign, it'll happen alot

[untold notch]

forgot I could be perceived for a second

[keen shore]

if dawn theoretically got downloaded into the Eden Diamond and is inadvertently powering the beam would that make them a fossil fuel yes/no?

[half shadow]

by god its all coming together

[lusty merlin]

yes

[keen shore]

if dark stone is an allegory for fossil fuels and they hate darkstone does that mean they became what they swore to destroy 😦

[lusty merlin]

HEL_P

i mean ahem

oh my god you're right

[round parrot]

I mean at least it supports that they are a fossil

[frigid tinsel]

I know what this is a reference to and now I wanna throw you

[keen shore]

Go power a mechanism for awhile and maybe you’ll calm down

[tepid veldt]

did they get rid of apologetic lumberjack’s cutscene where the tree fell down </3 cause now at the end theyre bowing to someone and there’s a floating book i think?
the ghost tree was also there even after i finished the memory

[frigid tinsel]

sounds like a glitch with the Days of Fortune thing

[lusty merlin]

they picked up a new hoppy good for them

[frigid tinsel]

omg

[tepid veldt]

a new hoppy

[keen shore]

Is this the cropped version of go have a cracker or something

[frigid tinsel]

it's cropped and SLS was erased

[rigid mural]

I don't think Magirinu would throw SLS

[frigid tinsel]

you're right

[austere bridge]

would i throw shush? maybe

[frigid tinsel]

why, what they do to you?

[round parrot]

Jealousy
Oofie doesn't get to be a bathbomb like sls

[austere bridge]

true /j

[sterile orchid]

something i just noticed recently is that TLP spirits have chains wrapped around them. is there a reason for that?? i don't remember the story very well

[rigid mural]

Shush looks calm and austere but I bet they're rotating 3 special interests in their mind at all times

[round parrot]

Omg me fr 🤝

[rigid mural]

It's not in the OG book but they could represent how their shortcomings tie them down on the living world !

[keen shore]

I would relate but I don’t think I look calm or austere really

[frigid tinsel]

something something chained to their vices

[rigid mural]

You look silly but that's ok cos the assembly scouts are like that too

[austere bridge]

same fr
although less calm

[rigid mural]

I think most of us here are on the spectrum

[austere bridge]

i haven't been confirmed but there is a very good chance

[sterile orchid]

i am all of these.

[frigid tinsel]

That means you’re smack dab in the middle

[lusty merlin]

same-

[austere bridge]

i have the power! /ref
SO SORRY FOR PING I FORGOR

[frigid tinsel]

Btw don’t ping me, thanks

Crab Whisperer is in the middle of the triangle

[rigid mural]

Swan fursona 💙

[austere bridge]

me 🤝 crab whisperer
being in the middle of the lorechat alignment chart

[keen shore]

i do not know where i am on the triangle but that is ok because it is all my house

[frigid tinsel]

I thought you were also in the middle?

[rigid mural]

Alasdair remember this ?

[frigid tinsel]

Hell yea

[austere bridge]

geese: violence ducks
swans: violence geese

[keen shore]

I think so yet I often doubt myself. I am very tired, I think middle is correct though

[rigid mural]

Water birds are sweet actually, you guys just approach them too close too fast. Like Crab Whisperer.

[keen shore]

Just like me fr

[sterile orchid]

we met canada geese at a zoo once and they were actually being pretty nice for the terrifyingly aggressive birds you see everywhere else

they were not animals that were kept in the zoo they were wild geese btw

[frigid tinsel]

Crab Whisperer then needs to slow down

[austere bridge]

i did some thinking and
ostriches, emus, and similar birds are just the land variant of geese, swan, etc
i have great thoughts /s

[frigid tinsel]

birds that will wreck you

[rigid mural]

To understand the goose you need to think like a goose; if a giant think stepped all over your turf and you know giant things go after your eggs and belongings, you'd be pretty mad about it.

[austere bridge]

true
anyways uh cough cough sky lore

[sterile orchid]

and if the giant thing and the giant thing's friends and smaller variants give you food then they're pretty alright /j

[round parrot]

Pink light (i'll pull my extra details up after 3 years of procrastination)

[lean kayak]

These were aggressive 1 time to my dog and me and that was when they had lil chickies so i understood why they were

[frigid tinsel]

moms will wreck you too

[austere bridge]

"behold. the collective representation of lorechat in three spirits."
presents crab whisperer, prophecy guide, and shush

[untold notch]

hello swan whisperer

[keen shore]

Prophecy guide erasure :( /j

[austere bridge]

i fixed it

[rigid mural]

I love how you can tell which ones are my faves

[tepid veldt]

so chaos, silly, and more silly/they die in my fic

[primal vale]

Hi lorists what chaos lies here today?

[rigid mural]

im thinking about lunch

[random token]

Lots and lots! I fell asleep earlier

[halcyon hull]

Sorry but do you think spirits and skykids have organs?

[rigid mural]

I headcanon they're hollow and have a flame within, like lanterns !

[halcyon hull]

Hc what they have a flame in little camera soft tissue at joints and everything else is stone

[fiery vale]

I think Krills are like polluted light creatures. The ancestors want resources of light, they started to hunt light creatures (source: Aurora concert). Technology starts to develop and created pollution that caused the light creatures to be in constant pain by destroying their habitats. Therefore, they might develop hate to the ancestors and yeet our wings.

[random token]

Thats a good theory, but we are different to ancestors. Light creatures such as mantas recognize us as fellow beings of light, not ancestors. So that's why they help us recharge and get us places. The krill are corrupted light beings, and so they're after other's light to try and restore theirs. I don't think all ancestors were mean to mantas either

[lost wing]

Is it confirmed that they would hurt mantas for light or just a theory?

[cold sparrow]

We have these murals

[random token]

M'pretty sure it's confirmed, but im not sure if it hurts. Still terribly either way, but from what we've seen in aurora- extracting light from the creatures and capturing them in nets? Putting them in tanks? I think that's gonna hurt

[pastel brook]

you have a home in the Sky Queendom!

[cold sparrow]

We also have this old concept art
Worth noting that some of the darkstone making processes and what is being done to light creatures is probably kept vague ingame on purpose, but this shows some of the ideas the devs had behind all these systems

[random token]

Darklstoneeee

[native shoal]

I’ve been chased by a horde of ducks once

They thought I had food from the pellet thing

[low spindle]

Honestly this is so interesting to me.

But brings up some questions in my mind. If the light -> darkstone process is true, did the normal people in the civilization who might of used darkstones know about the process? Or were they kept in the dark about it all.

[random token]

Ah that's a good question

I'm going with, they knew? But a lot didn't like it exactly.

[half shadow]

Yeah, I think the Abyss murals are just about as canonical proof as we’ll get. Noting the amount of wings/size of the mantas in the second mural on the left seems to directly correlate to the amount of diamonds produced: Smaller “uniwings” produce a single diamond. Interestingly a larger uniwing produces the same result, leading me to at the time theorize that it isn’t necessarily the size of the manta/creature, but the amount of wings that speaks to their potential power. Seeing the ancestors at the bottom looking into what seems to be the enclosure where the leviathan resides, except that this time the creature doesn’t resemble the mural-style leviathan we’ve already seen before. It looks more like a many, MANY winged manta creature. I still contend that this creature was either found by the ancestors and contained or artificially created by merging many light creatures together somehow (which could explain the creatures inside the leviathan) and by means of experimenting on the process of draining it for power, something went wrong and the creature corrupted.

[random token]

Is this why we see so few of the "bigger" mantas, like the cosmic one or the sanctuary manta? They were more valuable for production

[untold notch]

the floppiest disk...

that is interesting tho because there's a very clear difference between the two iterations of Long Lad

[half shadow]

yeah judging how it looks in the intro Abyss mural in the first cave entrance to the thing in the other one looking exactly like the depicted mantas just sorta strung together in a big line makes me go

[half shadow]

The cosmic manta is the closest known resemblance to the Abyss manta thing, yeah. I’m still undecided on if the cosmic manta variant are actually truly real creatures or just another manifestation of the memories and magic in the vault too. There was some neat concept art iirc that hinted towards an evolutionary line of lightshrooms -> cosmic manta but seeing as how they are only found in the vault which is a place known to twist reality I can’t say for certain if I consider them real creatures. Now, memories of real creatures? That could be true, and so the cosmic manta could be a manifestation of a creature that once lived in the world that was possibly the same thing as the Abyss manta creature

one thing that is interesting though is that the cosmic manta in the vault has a baby close to its side. the leviathan in the containment chamber has a krill swimming next to it

[untold notch]

so there is supposed to be a krill in there

I was looking at it like "are you sure you're on the right side of the glass"

[half shadow]

LOL yeah i remember thinking the same thing but it seems intentional, especially with how it kinda follows around the leviathan. i’d have to replay abyss quests to get a full look at it but i think it sorta sticks close to it

i distinctly recall seeing it for the first time and going “omg it’s a baby”

[spring python]

World’s most safe aquarium

[random token]

Yeah I'd assume it's just a projection of someone's memory from the abyss area

I still think that the leviathan is some sort or corrupted form of manta or whale, because the darkness can change the physical features

[keen shore]

The only appearance change we know for sure it can cause is visible darkness flakes and corrupted darkstone sprouting from the creatures affected, as we have not-corrupted crabs to compare those to. Everything else is just speculation, sadly

[random token]

Spikey darkstone

[half shadow]

Darkstone based evolution is just carcinisation

[keen shore]

This is an oddly specific question, but you know the pose guides do in home that’s like where they almost look like they’re praying? They stop doing it when the season is over and when we see them chilling outside of Home, any guesses as to why they do it around us?

[atomic lava]

that waste looks suspiciously …

[untold notch]

like bones?

[keen shore]

Personally, it most reminds me of the sludge we find almost everywhere in Wasteland. That sludge/goo being essentially rotted light creature corpses is a nauseating thought to say the least, but would make sense, considering we find it the most at pipes leading out of refineries

[atomic lava]

i rly dont want to imagine trace material from creatures in hidden forests rain falling on me

[untold notch]

fair, I can see arguments for both being the case

maybe the total waste is put through a filter, and the sludge is drained into the water while the bones are put elsewhere?

[brave elbow]

Like Acid rain

[brave elbow]

Do light creatures have bones?

[untold notch]

sometimes

[atomic lava]

its presumed that they do when they die in an unnatural way

[random token]

Maybe praying that we fix the kingdom? They know we're kinda sent down so

[random token]

Maybe that's what the wasteland pipes were used for?

[halcyon abyss]

Maybe the bones are utilized in weaponry, like the spears?

[half shadow]

i mean hey that’s kinda how it works in real life if you think about it

[atomic lava]

no thanks… (/lh)

[untold notch]

we are all made of star stuff ✨

[brisk python]

indeed we are

[hushed steeple]

One question, does anyone know if King Alef appears or will ever appear in the game? (⁠⁠’-’⁠⁠)<3 (If this has already been discussed before, it would be interesting to read it)

[untold notch]

given that most of us generally can't see the future (hi salem) I can't answer that, but I can say they have yet to appear

[hushed steeple]

oky 👍 thank you very much for clarifying my doubt (⁠ﾉ⁠◕–◕⁠)⁠ﾉ⁠*⁠.⁠✧

[untold notch]

this'll be really fun if/when xe see(s?) this

[half shadow]

The closest we’ve gotten to a direct image of the King would be in the last Shattering memory I believe, but all it is is some sort of odd star shape flipped upside down so it’s vague

[untold notch]

although to be fair that shape might just be a motif because it appears in a Lot of places and because the king or prince are never mentioned by name

[random token]

Wish we had more about them

[hushed steeple]

I know that in the last scene of that season he appears very distorted when he is absorbed by the glass, but I hope to see him as he was before (⁠;⁠´-`⁠;⁠)

[untold notch]

I'm not expecting that to happen, and honestly I really don't mind them not being present as I find that a lot of interesting theories aren't kingcentric

[hushed steeple]

you are right, there are other incredible theories, but I am also curious to know more about the king

[untold notch]

which is fair! I just can't help you beyond what I have because that's not my interest area

[hushed steeple]

I am very grateful for that

[lusty merlin]

Thing is there’s like almost nothing about them in the game, there’s only like the golden wasteland statues, last shattering by memory but as astral said (super vague) eden and prophecy murals but that’s pretty much it.

Concept art wise they seemed to play a bigger role but that’s just concepts and not at all cannon in the game, with the amount we know I don’t think they’ll appear for a very long time without a proper setup if at all

[sterile orchid]

what about the constellation at the end of the vault cutscene?

[random token]

We don't really have a lot of confirmed things for the king either

[lusty merlin]

Genuinely forgot about that but my point still stands

[sterile orchid]

the constellation 'mural' proves that there's someone other than the elders that's just as, if not more important but what that means for the story and timeline is nearly impossible to figure out

[random token]

Thats where the chosen one theory came out, I think it was Salem's, or alasdairs

[lusty merlin]

Yeah I can see that, but that’s frankly the issue with the king because you have that and like nothing else at all to connect or learn even more than a crumb about them

[frigid tinsel]

I didn’t conceive the Failed Chosen One theory, but I definitely am an ardent follower of it and use it as a foundation

[random token]

Do you know who it was? Not that it's super important it's just nice to know

[earnest briar]

Wait when did Salem predict the future I am so confused

[frigid tinsel]

iirc the Salems and Vela were there. They’ve said I was involved but I mostly remember cheering from the sidelines

[earnest briar]

Hi Alasdair! And you too Baud, hope you're doing good.

[frigid tinsel]

1. correctly guessed where Spade lived from a dream.
2. theorized how Season of Abyss would end so accurately someone DMed them to stop spoiling beta.
3. something else I can’t remember, I just got out of class and I’m tired

[tepid veldt]

must be a salem thing henlo lorechat

[brisk python]

rolls into lorechat

[frigid tinsel]

re: Failed Hero’s Journey — the theory considers these presentation slides on how Sky’s narrative operates to defy the Hero’s Journey trope and that this prince/king that played such a central role in concept art did not make it to the game whereas other characters did (albeit changed)

[lusty merlin]

Yes that too! Even if the king does appear one day I feel like tgc would find a way to make sure they don’t follow into the hero’s journey path into the story (if they appear in person even)

[frigid tinsel]

I find that Zhao’s concepts rely heavily on the Hero’s Journey trope. While some of Zhao’s stuff has later made it into the game, doesn’t mean everything has or will, yet there does appear to be this central figure in the kingdom’s history predicted by a prophecy

So there is a set up for this Chosen One to partake in the Hero’s Journey, but something happened that led to the kingdom’s downfall. I dismiss the idea that One turned evil and ruined things deliberately. TGC seems to reject it to. Then, if Chosen One was supposed to save everything but didn’t, what happened?
The Chosen One failed.

[lusty merlin]

Yaya! And thats the trail and error on concept art, I think it’s intersting that despite being a central figure there’s almost nothing about them then glimpses into the past.

I feel like failure is a better take too, you can always make an easy way out of them trurning “evil” but trying with good intentions and still failing has more impact imo

(Don’t know if I worded this how I wanted too, I’m low on words too)

[frigid tinsel]

Yea, they, being the Chosen One, likely had the kingdom’s best intentions in mind. However rather than going from Anakin Skywalker to Dark Vader, they simply failed to save the world. Their efforts were in vain. Despite everything, the kingdom’s hero lost in the end.

[spring python]

Aside from the narrative perspective I find that them becoming “corrupted” just doesn’t have a lot to back it up, it feels more like some forced villain backstory, because as far as we can see in the murals, they didn’t seem to do anything to deliberately ruin the kingdom. The Diamond too, there’s more evidence pointing to them doing it out of either necessity or because everyone wanted them to

[half shadow]

that’s such a good way to put it Alasdair oh my goodness

[brisk python]

this is literally what i picture happened

[half shadow]

I wouldn’t necessarily say we have evidence of them doing it out of necessity either, honestly we don’t really have any reasoning in either direction why they began to experiment and empower darkstone. Like, darkstone was probably used to help construct the Valley and def was a staple of the Vault and the power diamonds, but we still don’t have much of a reasoning as to why the technology began, or how it even started. So far I think we’ve seen the first part of the kingdom’s downfall with the Prophecy mural and the fallen Chosen One appearing, and the inevitable conclusion being the Shattering memory (either literal or metaphorical), but the midpoint I think is still pretty vague

[frigid tinsel]

That depends on where you place Chosen One’s appearance. Was it far early in the civilization’s younger years, when darkstone was just discovered? There was the idea that way back then there was another disaster that Chosen One successfully circumvented (one could say darkstone technology was the solution for that). Or was it closer to the kingdom’s end, when darkness pollution was rampant and armed conflict first broke out?

[lusty merlin]

i think darkstone production started like the reason electricity started, they saw the potential it can have and experimented and expanded on the idea. Like we have flashlights instead of lanterns, brighter lights to illuminate rooms more better than fire can (and safer), even car's have headlamps to better show the road ahead when before all you had was yourself and a flame. I think of that and replace electricity with darkstone, they saw how it could better ancestors and integrated it

[frigid tinsel]

And like electricity is often generated by fossil fuels that we know now are bad for the environment, the rate in which power diamonds were manufactured and the darkness pollution it created as well as how damning it was for light creatures to produce was unsustainable. As we irl are facing a climate change crisis due to the culmination of the Industrial Revolution, the ancestors’ Industrial Revolution created an ecological catastrophe. It may not have been as devastating in the beginning, but with continued and excellerating use, the consequences built up and tipped over.

That is not to say electricity is bad or darkstone technology is bad, rather the high and unsustainable rate it was used and produced reared negative consequences that may not have been evident when it was still small.

[lusty merlin]

YEAH EXACTLY! abyss implies that the sea level rose significantly as the pollution went on, most of isle is underwater when you think about it. And unfortunately our sea level is also rising from climate change, i like to believe sky show's the consequences and aftermath of the "what if" for our climate crisis in its own way

[frigid tinsel]

Sky is telling a very poignant environmentalist story — a tale of warning, an evaluation of our present. Though we irl won’t have magical children falling from the stars to save our damned souls.

[spring python]

I think we have a little bit pointing towards necessity tho, in a few different ways. There’s Salem’s theories on the Diamond being used to replace the beacon in the scenario that it went out, but me personally, I think that the Diamond was One’s attempt at “fulfilling their role” at saving the world, as it was somehow depicted as their “big act” in the Eden mural

[random token]

Thank you :)

[frigid tinsel]

The Eden diamond looks to have been revered. Given it’s a source of darkness now, something went wrong

[random token]

The top part always reminded me of orbit, with the glowing orb and all.

[frigid tinsel]

Same, yea, like how Megabird/the Light/light is depicted on the Ark murals

[random token]

That's also a very important message

[frigid tinsel]

credit to Salem’s mural masterlist

[random token]

Hm.. what're they doing? Are those pickaxes or umbrellas ?

[frigid tinsel]

I think umbrellas. Lightseekers have them, implied by Laidback Pioneer and Lightseeker guide’s ult

[tepid veldt]

those are some pretty giant pickaxes if its the former

[lusty merlin]

I feel like talking about this idea I discussed awhile ago with my friend echo

I noticed the ice rink in village of dreams like nearly completely covers any walking paths, and I was like “how would they travel when it melts?”So I was telling echo this and it got us thinking.

Dreams isin’t in the peak on the highest mountain or anything, arguably it’s on the lower end of valley for having to travel down. It also reminded me that it’s really the peaks of mountains that are permanently frozen, not much the lower bottom so seasonal changes still happen, performance even melted some snow in their area.

Echo suggested that maybe when the snow and ice melts the lower parts of valley become a sort of venice and I completely agree! I was doing quests and also happened to notice a boat and grass lodged into the ice rink, and with how the rink is shaped, if you replaced it with water and boats it makes perfect sence!

There’s also ice when traveling down so many instead of sliding into the rink originally you take a boat down there.

And since boats Can both float in and out of water it would explain the sharp drop at the end of the rink!

Like look at the scale of the ice! It’s insane and no bridges in sight, you can even fish there so there’s still water under

It’s also interesting that dreams path down is coverd in ice and connects directly to the ice rink, I wonder in summertime when the snow melts that lower valley is filled with a lot of rivers and water as a result of it like what you’d seen in real life. And when winter comes and the water freezes over and the snow returns, you travel by foot

Just a real neat idea, I’m just trying to think of why the lake in dreams is massive and how they’d get across

[queen dawn]

That's really interesting!! I'm not too good with all the words, but I do agree on that theory!

[random token]

Looook, look. In order to mine big darkstone, you need big pick axe!

[brisk python]

🎵 you cannot mine darkstone, oh no 🎵

[untold notch]

you can but there seems to be a lot of mining accidents

[exotic arch]

not me finally getting truly interested in the lore of Sky and reading as much of the chanel as I can… information overload

[tepid veldt]

its a bit much at times, yeah. take it slow and youll get it soon enough! 🤍

[random token]

IMO, simple lore, lots to it

But I understand with the info overload. It takes time! Like behind the environmental message and war, how the sky spirits ruined their world? Lots of stories behind it

[pastel brook]

-does a big think-

Do light creatures get cold? 🤔

[random token]

maybe

[dark pivot]

well, skykids seem like they get cold, although it doesnt seem to bother them unless it's accompanied by darkness (or perhaps if its very, very cold)
light creaturs like mantas and butterflies tho? we. dont really know. if anyone has evidence of light creatures seeking warmth in colder places?

[keen shore]

😒

[untold notch]

YAAAAY

[keen shore]

None of this is real and all of it is slander btw, don’t believe him

He predicted an entire spirit and I’m the one with prophetic powers? he is simply trying to take the focus off himself so we won’t suspect him

[tepid veldt]

this is the court case all over again

[untold notch]

it's that you've done more than they have

[hushed steeple]

Well, I’ve been wondering what this means for years, does anyone have any opinion?
||Can’t understand why everyone is worshiping that golden person||

[frigid tinsel]

Chosen One

[keen shore]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message reading from this message might help clear up some things, if it doesn’t, we can explain further

[rigid mural]

YOUR MIND ??? I LOVE THIS IDEA
Imagine one of the main tourist attractions in summer being boat rides around town, but in winter they trade that for winter sports like skating and skiing

[random token]

The One (tm)

[lusty merlin]

TEAHH THAT TOO! I SEE VALLEY BEING HEAVY ON SPORTS AND HAVING THEIR EACH SUNNER/WINTER/YEAR ROUND ONES

[rigid mural]

Mountain flowers are incredibly pretty, imagine ancestors and their city adorning every window and plaza with colorful flowers when the freezing temperatures end

[keen shore]

The one who was right all along — better to be laughed at than wrong

[rigid mural]

I'M AN EXPERT JUST LIKE YOU

[lusty merlin]

Thinks of the performance flowers 🫶

[rigid mural]

YeAH YOU GET IT
Valley being known for its excellent florists and colorful costumes for spring festivals...

[keen shore]

Heavy props to Firefly for proposing this theory, genuinely one of my favorites — I love it a lot

[random token]

Real 😔

[frigid tinsel]

And like you I’m genius before my time

[untold notch]

hi indigo

[keen shore]

Can someone please tell me what this fireworks shape is it’s driving me insane

“Skykid” was suggested but what would be the legs are really weirdly far apart

I’m thinking a bell maybe but that makes the top spiky part a bit weird

I feel like it’s something super obvious my brain just refuses to latch on to and that makes it 1000x worse. Also a friend wanted me to ask if anyone here has a sword ey needs one

[slender sphinx]

i thought it was two hugging skykids?

i could be very wrong but i could've sworn there was a firework shape of that

[keen shore]

I could somewhat see that! Admittedly a bit to see how the arms and heads work, but I will accept it as an answer if nothing better is found… it would make sense to be a firework shape, this is a really tricky one

[rigid mural]

Headcanon carry memories are us holding the spirit's hand through them

[lusty merlin]

OIYHUDJD

OUGHHHH

me carrying shush over the pits of the abyss (i accidently drop them at the last step)

[frigid tinsel]

"the answer"

[untold notch]

this methinks

[brisk python]

me, crying:

[keen shore]

Running out of words but I wanted to know this is really sweet and it made me smile. Thank you for showing it

[frigid tinsel]

iirc you drew that in response to this

skykids, they're the answer

[lusty merlin]

HELL YEAH FEALTY!!!!

[pastel brook]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

we gotta go DEEPER

[strange prawn]

(Spoilers for the elder cutscene in vault of knowledge??)
Bro this sparks up questions in my head

I know nothing abt the lore of this game and I need to know.

[random token]

Those are defo some kind of sky kid/kids

[lean kayak]

Yes i think they are 2 hugging skykids

[wicked prairie]

i dont go to wasteland often so i just noticed this does this imply that the wasteland elder sided with "sun" side hmm

i kinda thought they were part of the "diamond" side

[random token]

We're not quite sure yet on how the two sides came to be, it's not confirmed but we theorized that it's over resources or an uprising/rebellion in the kingdom

[hushed steeple]

Is there any document with overall lore?

[rigid mural]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overalls

[rustic glen]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/mobilebasic

[round parrot]

This is lorechat
(quite late to the skittles convo)

[tepid veldt]

i was going to make it better but i dont have enough photos

[floral skiff]

Why is lookout scout bald

[random token]

don’t do my man lookout scout dirty 😔

[random token]

I’m theuhhh green

[shrewd zenith]

Not just that, in the cutscene the shield is a sun shield too

[wicked prairie]

ah yea I've read several theories about that

[keen shore]

They ate a piece of sour candy :(

[random token]

like the really sour

[broken pendant]

you ever see how daintily they walk up those steps

like look at that

[round parrot]

Either that is a well-timed screenshot or that is a very old screenshot

[broken pendant]

I didn’t feel like going in the game myself so I got it from Tara’s video

[round parrot]

Ohh

[rigid mural]

Theory n.1: Meercat fursona
Theory n.2:

reblog if you think lookout scout would wear a bunny mask

[keen shore]

There are no women in the desert, after all /ref

[round parrot]

gasp
Bunny warrior/solider

[lean kayak]

I LOVE THAT KHCLJGXKSU

[untold notch]

bro is frolicking

[broken pendant]

Wait I found a video with better angles

look at this dude 💀💀💀

I put the video on half speed to get the first shot and the audio is absolutely terrifying

[rigid mural]

they're so fruity

[grim python]

bro was too busy frolicking to actually lookout

[broken pendant]

straightest wasteland soldier

[untold notch]

they/them army training

[broken pendant]

this is the future they want /j

[peak quartz]

[brisk python]

you know, i wonder what scout was actually looking out for
dragons? soldiers from the other side of the war?

[broken pendant]

the opps

[random token]

They're so freaking sassy

[random token]

The last one looks like that one scene from snow white

[broken pendant]

real

[cold sparrow]

lmaoo

[random token]

LOL YOU DID IT-

[final breach]

Can someone please tell me a solid complete theory? I am really lost, even reading a lot of stuff here

[cold sparrow]

no single theory is solid or complete, considering all the game's lore is given in wordless spirit memories and murals

[random token]

Here's a tidbit, the game is mostly about environmental issues (over mining and abuse of light creatures), and with the current season, the war and the effects it has on people.

A theory most people have

[strange siren]

Hi lore! I went to eden again today and noticed something I hadn't before.

Once I got closer to the red diamond I heard a repeating dun dun sound (like a heart beat). I heard this sound again in the grey room with the child of light. I thought I might be hearing mine (because I'm wearing headphones) but I turned the volume up and it was louder.

I think that's a cool detail if in fact it's real.

[old moth]

I saw people mention that you can hear heartbeat in a lot of the soundtrack

In some of the realm. I haven't noticed it myself though, as I play while listening to other things so I don't get the details of the music

[wispy flax]

you can hear the heart-beats of your friends when holding hands with them.

[old moth]

Interesting. And it means the Skykids have hearts

[wispy flax]

It's a detail I found very cozy. And not so many people know about it. It requires a bit of quiet time, and listening carefully (with pretty high volume).

[earnest ocean]

hey. after I cleansed the darkness around black crystal and I got teleported to grey area, cant remember much of it I teleported home quite quickly. should I keep cleansing darkness or is there continuation to that?

[cold sparrow]

If you already did it today, there's no point in doing it again because you will not get any additional rewards the same day
However, as a note for the future, each of these memories (the void you get teleported to) has a winged light, so it might be worth having a look around next time!

[earnest ocean]

more like I did it yesterday like three times cos I wanted to kno can I get to that void place again.

[cold sparrow]

yesterday was a black shard day - black shards only give regular wax, no memories
today is a red shard day - red shards give access to a memory and wax for ascended candles
these two alternate day by day

[broken pendant]

it creeps me out 💀

[wispy flax]

It can be feel different for other people....and that is perfectly fine.

[broken pendant]

LMAO guess who’s the quest spirit today

[pastel brook]

wow!

do you think the king will return from mario world?

[sturdy wyvern]

Skybot if you’re suggesting that mario x sky is canon I will not hesitate to get the krill.

[grim python]

the king has a cameo in the new mario movie

[atomic lava]

theres a little mario like place in gw i think skybot meant that

[untold notch]

idk they look like they're having fun

[halcyon abyss]

Honestly, same though. Super Nintendo World was dope.

I bet the king is having a great time

Okay. So this has probably been talked about a lot. Especially with the timeline of everything.

After my recent run through for the daily big bundies in Vault. At the summit, I realized I think Vault was built after the explosion. Because at the top of vault Dawn and Sunset are there.

Dawn isn't on the gate of Eden and Sunset, when the explosion happens, is one unit.

So the headstones at Vault Summit, I feel at least, are the last homage to them as elders. Like they knew this was it.

So was Vault created to be what we see it as now after the initial explosion as a final frontier to preserve everything they can?

Personally, I have a lot of doubts of this idea. But I'm struggling to make more sense of it.

[haughty ledge]

Where do we know about darkstone from?

[half shadow]

IIRC, the name darkstone comes from concept art labeling it as such. if you’re talking about the actual substance though, it’s seems to exist underground and can be excavated similar to real world mining. Most of this is just inferred from looking at the world, but there are several murals that depict ancestors mining rocks or diamonds from the ground. Darkstone is also assumed to be what the bright pulsing red stones are from Eden that drain Light, given that they were used to craft power diamonds and other technology that the Skykid can activate by feeding Light energy

[brisk python]

ZXLIZHGDF

[untold notch]

yes good

[brisk python]

i love this

[untold notch]

the silliness is immense and without limit

[half shadow]

it’s all fun and games until mario tries to get the star that is the kings face

[random token]

Lol

[shrewd zenith]

Honestly the hole in the wall in the repository reminds me of a hiding space. I wonder if the refugees were hidden in such spaces by the rememberance guide.

[lost wing]

Is it possible that Eden is getting worse? It was fine (ish) for years before the shard eruptions started. Why now would it start spewing dark stone everywhere?

[halcyon abyss]

Hmmmm, my theory is the magic used to allow us to glimpse the memories in Shattering have permanently disrupted the flow. So now the shard events are the cost of us getting to view those memories.

[cold sparrow]

I'd think so
It might be that the vault on principle didn't accept refugees, because once they took in one, they would have to take in more, and their resources can only support so many people.
Or maybe access was actually restricted by the kingdom's guards (we already see in the memories how oppressive they were), and maybe the guards were even patrolling and controlling the insides of the vault, to make sure that no 'bad actors' got inside.
Or perhaps, considering it's sort of set up as a sacred place of knowledge, only officially accepted scholars and students were allowed to walk the halls of the vault.

[untold notch]

summoning alasdair to post fealty excerpts

[uncut pond]

I just wanna point out a few things

Sunset has never been "one unit" (at least not physically, their mind is a topic of discussion), it's been confirmed in an old stream that they've always been twins

Also the summit you see in Vault isn't exactly "real", it's a result of Vault's weird magic properties.
The real summit with all the Elder headstones is actually on the Eden Temple

[halcyon abyss]

In the shattering memory with the gem exploding, one of the twins isn't there. That is the only reason I mention one Unit.

Apologies if it's confirmed they've never been one physically

And I'm on the theory side that the Vault we get in present time game play is no longer in existence. That we're getting a memory manifestation(the blue gem) of what it did look like.

My questioning has to do with the correlation between there being only six headstones. While the Eden gate only has five(dawn missing). So this got my thoughts rolling with the timeline for when Vault was created

[sterile orchid]

In the same shattering memory, I can only ever identify Dawn

[halcyon abyss]

Oh man, yea, the lighting in that memory is so wack.

[sterile orchid]

They're the lowest one down and not fully behind the diamond, not to mention the identifiable shapes

[halcyon abyss]

It was straining to be able to tell Forest apart. Thankfully their hair is so unique

[untold notch]

all of the elders are in the memory! some of them are just in near total darkness so it's awful to find them lol

[brisk python]

oh all of them are there? i could only make out one of the twins, idle, forest, andddd daylight (or wasteland, i can't tell they're both lorg)

[untold notch]

dusk is almost impossible to see I swear I was in the memory for like 10 minutes trying to find them

[random token]

they go boooom

[pastel brook]

-does a big think-

[untold notch]

no you don't

[keen shore]

Nearly invisible… just like they were before the disaster ☹️

[halcyon abyss]

S a l e m

[frigid tinsel]

Dusk and both Sunsets are present

[frigid tinsel]

Well you asked for it.
I see it that the Vault did accept refugees — it would be reprehensible not to — but some time after the Eden calamity, it was decided to refuse to let anymore in. In fact, they didnt let anyone out either. It was safer that way

[half shadow]

what’s the name of your fic? I’d love to read it, I haven’t really dove into any fics about sky but the snippets you’ve posted have me super interested (on mobile so i hope the no ping option works)

[frigid tinsel]

This one is Fealty but it’s incomplete rn. It’ll be posted on my AO3 which is linked in my profile

[half shadow]

awesome!!! looking forward to it this is all great stuff

[random token]

What did they even do to try and prevent the boom? Remove the darkstone? Interesting

[frigid tinsel]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Genuinely, it’s not clear what they were doing. Presumably trying to stop the Eden diamond from either corrupting or continuing to go haywire. I say they were trying to deactivate it but even that is just me assuming

[random token]

"Nothings working!"

"stop it Dusk! We have technology..."

repeatedly bangs their weapons against it

[keen shore]

They could have also been putting the diamond in place (like it went haywire right after being put there) or even corrupting it on purpose to cause the beam, we have no idea what they were planning. Just that it ended in a failure

[random token]

The shattering card did say they "tried so hard" to stop it right?

[tepid veldt]

am i loved or hated when crab whisperer waves goodbye and ascends before i can hug them

[random token]

Both.

Also I like how some art shows that sky kids have faces! We do in game, have like those little eyelids with no mask. I was going to ask if it's Canon that they have no faces, or it's not confirmed (I like the faces. It's cute. Just curious)

[eternal totem]

Low poly models = less detail

[keen shore]

We aren’t really sure. It could be canon, but it also could be low poly models, & character art made to reflect that (think the Aurora character cards for example) so that people aren’t thrown off by it. In the end, it depends on whatever you want to be true

For example, ancestors probably had mouths, but in character card art of maskless ones they aren’t visible. Same for eyebrows.

[random token]

I liked to think that, the mask was their face. I thought it'd be neat

[halcyon hull]

They definitely should have mouth because they can eat

[brisk python]

tlp's model has a mouth i noticed

[cinder ravine]

hi

[uncut pond]

I just wanna add that actually less polys doesn't necessarily equal less detail, as textures and materials can provide certain details just as well if not better than polygons
You can see this in old games like Megaman Legends or Kingdom Hearts, where it's the textures that convey most of the detail

Sky's lack of certain details is most likely intentional, probably a style they were actively going for in order to make the game look more approachable and less complicated, not necessarily related to a low polycount

Sorry I'm a bit of a nerd about videogame visuals and I just saw an opportunity to talk about my passion

[somber moss]

So genchat talked about this a while ago and idk if it was brought here, but there was a whole theory on how a skykids hair works lol

Since they are basically made of light, I’m pretty sure they’d be able to shape their hair however they want and whenever you “buy” a hair from a spirit, its basically them teaching the skykid how they do theirs

Idk it just seems cute to think about

Botanist giving skykids their emo hair tutorial aka overuse of hairspray

[frigid tinsel]

yea, that's what I think too – all skykids' cosmetics are light, so their hair is too. giving spirits and Elders our candles could be giving them light so they can craft a gift for us, but in the case of hairstyles, it could be the spirit or Elder doing our skids' hair to show them how to make it. I mean, that's what I like to think cos I'm soft

[somber moss]

HELPP THIS JUST MADE ME THINK OF THAT ONE MEME

Polite Scholar: damn I messed up we gotta go bald

Skykid: OAAAAAAAA

[lusty merlin]

I also like to head-cannon the elders personally styling a skykids hair when they get the respective ult

Cuz I can then image Isle and Prarie gently slapping the bald head of a skykid as a well done

[somber moss]

Made me imagine the Valley elders both trying to style the skykid’s hair at the same time while arguing over which looks better on them
I like these hcs they are adorable

[frigid tinsel]

perhaps in the case of Sunset, they could ask a skid if they would like one or the other. imagining a skid pointing at or , a silent nod of acknowledgement before they enter the barber's chair

[lusty merlin]

Oo yaya i like that

Makes my time of getting their hair a little funny to imagine cuz like

: “Which-“

My sky-kid pointing to

: “…I didn’t even finish-“

-aggressively pointing to -

Legit didn’t try ’s hair for a few days after

[frigid tinsel]

that's you

[somber moss]

And the whole time the other valley elder just watches the skykid get their hair done and is giving very unhelpful criticism to the other like “you made that part uneven”

[lusty merlin]

oh yeah I can see that

It’s cool to imagine too like, if the elders give us their ult and possibly their light I wonder if that’s one of the reasons they’re still weak in a way

Like we gift our light to help them and then they it right back to us when we help them reach orbit, almost like a thank you

Like they know they can keep the light but they want to show their appreciation in a way which could give a reading for them needing light in the cutscene if you ignore game mechanics

[somber moss]

Oh they get lots of light from us alright
COUGH elder masks COUGHS

[lusty merlin]

god I have 557 ac waiting for ‘s mask to drop💀

[frigid tinsel]

<<has all three Elder shield masks

[rigid mural]

I headcanon the elder masks are because they are strong enough to shield us now :]

[somber moss]

OOOH what about the Vault elder styling the skykid’s hair? It wouldnt really be styling it tho they’d just teach them how to wear the headscarf AAAA thats so cute

[lusty merlin]

Oo yaya i remember that! Thinking about it more I can see that too!

[frigid tinsel]

well, it's all light, so really it could be just turning the hair into a more fabric texture and wrapping it around the skid's head

[somber moss]

Yea thats what I was thinking, but what about confetti cousin? Their hair comes with the bow so how do yall think that works

[lusty merlin]

I’f we think of a more literal headscarf too I can imagine them making some light cloth and wrapping it around us

Thinks of this and my hc that Vault can make patterns like seen here on the headscarf for the skykid if they want

[lusty merlin]

If say it’s could be the same for clothes and capes since most have color

Maybe sky-kids in theory could change different color lights to recreate said accessory/outfit

[frigid tinsel]

perhaps some of the light that skykids give the spirits for hairstyles is used to craft accessories like that

[somber moss]

Oo yea since the cosmetics are basically made of the light too I think that’d be pretty reasonable
I mean the hair from running wayfarer has blue on it I believe so I think the skykids hair color can change? And later yknow made into the red bow

[lusty merlin]

I’d honestly love to get more hints of skykid biology too cuz they’re super cool

Can survive a 50ft drop and can ram into walls at break neck speed with only a ding but can’t hold their breath for over 2 minuites

[somber moss]

I think the reason for that could be bc skykids life source is light which comes from their flame, and yknow what happens with fire and water

[lusty merlin]

O yaya that, right and when your breath runs out we tend to loose that light too

[untold notch]

I believe it's been posited that darkness is cold, and water is usually also cold

[lusty merlin]

Ah and they’re lighter than clouds which I guess can be a reason why a chibi could lvl 2 bearhug a normal sized kid no problem

[frigid tinsel]

While you have a point, why don’t skykids go out instantly? They literally have a big hole in their chest water could flood in

[lusty merlin]

Delayed drowning?

[untold notch]

is that cavity physical?

[somber moss]

Im guessing with the amount of winged light theyve collected, it protects them basically? Im not really sure lol

[frigid tinsel]

Skids still have a hole in the chest when extinguished

[lusty merlin]

Skykids have layers /ref

[frigid tinsel]

That’s my thought too cos when drowning, you lose winged light first. So winged light acts as protection before the water can extinguish their flame

[lusty merlin]

Could be like a passive elder sheild (but less strong), would also be why we loose wing light in dark water too

We also sink into the ground when we loose all of our wing light but I’m not brave enough to see what happens in water until I go to eden

[somber moss]

I was gonna ask how old yall think skykids are, but then I literally just solved my own question bc the game is literally called CHILDREN of the light

[lusty merlin]

I’d say around 10-12, feel like the moth height is a good height for a kid that age

[frigid tinsel]

Skykids are kids now, though I’ve seen the thought that if they were around for decades they would become adults (not ancestor adults, skyadults). I think otherwise as if skykids were around for decades, they would still resemble children and be childlike, though may have emotionally and mentally matured due to their experiences.

[lusty merlin]

Yaya that too, since we’re reborn so often we don’t really age at all, so you pretty much stay the same

[frigid tinsel]

I don’t think rebirth prevents skykids from aging, I think skykids just haven’t been around long enough (what, it’s been 3-4 years?) to witness them aging if they are capable of such

[somber moss]

Mhm that makes sense, but I think the youngest skykids would be like 9 or 8 due to the stuff that happens in wasteland and eden
The skykids def have to be a bit older to understand the whole sacrifice thing that happens in the storm

[lusty merlin]

Hm fair enough, I’d guess they would mature mentally then? Still children overall mentally and physically but after awhile I can see them mellow out and stuff if that makes sense, grasping their entire purpose of why there here and all

[halcyon abyss]

Oh!! I love this concept very much. Like when looking at different races in fictional settings. Races can mature at different ages! So sky kids could look like sky kids for like... 200years before they grow(if they do physically) in an adult.

I hope this made sense. It's a bit late here

[somber moss]

Sorta back to the hair thing from earlier, what about the outfits you buy from spirits? I think the spirits just bend the light and stuff to create them and give them to the skykid

[rigid mural]

Yeee I like to think that too, main body is like a lantern from which they project light and magic to make clothes !

[somber moss]

Im guessing the same thing would go for capes then, but now that has me thinking

So: a spirit you buy wings from basically shapes your wing into theirs
So does that mean wounded warrior went out of his way to make sure it was broken and everything? Thats dedication right there

[frigid tinsel]

In the case of capes, either skykids give spirits winged light that they can sculpt just as easily as regular light or skykids sculpt winged light into the base shape and spirits use regular light to craft the cape’s color & texture.

I think this cos when extinguished but still have winged light, your cape turns gray. Only when you run out of winged light (like dying in Eden) does our cape disappear.

[halcyon abyss]

Oh! It could be gifted through the crystal the spirits gift the sky kids. It could be like infusing memories into the lanterns.

They infuse what you're being given into the shards they give Sky kids. Which would match with the Sky kids sculpting it.so like a sewing pattern. The crystal is the base pattern, and we make it using our light.

[rich isle]

Does lore chat consider OOB findings as canon too?

[rigid mural]

I personally don't unless it's assets that are used in cutscenes (like the leviathan in Abyss or the Elder OOBs), and even then, these models are often optimised to look good in cutscenes and might not be good for references such as for sizes.

[halcyon hull]

Ok so I decided to make a List of what elder hair looks like
I think most of people know that but that if someone not and yes
Wings
butterfly wings
jellyfish
Bird
Manta wings/fins
literally the point a desided to write that because it be logical if that's looks like a krill but it's not so may it be light krill?
they are just smart baldo

[sterile orchid]

I agree with this, with one example of why:

Dawn is seen in the elder cutscenes, and is about 5x your sky kids height. At LEAST. But in the Aurora concert (I think it was Runaway?), they're actually pretty tiny

Sizing in the cutscenes makes me think they would block out the entire doorway to the temple, but we can see they're not nearly that big, maybe about twice the height of my sky kid standing in about the same spot

So sizing can be wildly inconsistent and not always to be trusted. You can use OOB secrets to look at assets closer without having to rewatch cutscenes a million times, but they're still not the best resource for basing much evidence off of

[sterile orchid]

If you're saying the hairstyles resemble something from the world, maybe Vault could be whales? Similar kind of shape if you didn't include the super detailed plating on the faces of the whales

[lean kayak]

Smart baldo gpklkhcljgxl

[rocky grove]

the vault elder kinda looks like a shrine stone (the ones with faces)

[halcyon hull]

Yes

[random token]

Oh we talking about sizing? Elders seem to be the tallest, ancestors second tallest, and us as little angels the smallest

[halcyon hull]

Yeah but elders are very different height

[random token]

Still they seem to be all taller than the ancestors

[halcyon hull]

Ik the problem is their height relative to each other

[halcyon hull]

Anyways how do you think skykids teeth would look like

[random token]

that's a cursed question /j

[random token]

but if you're being genuine uhh, I wouldn't think they have teeth. Maybe just like, " :O ". Which is funny. They just pop the food in there and swallow it whole

[frigid tinsel]

Relevant Vela doodle

[random token]

why

[round parrot]

Asserting dominance

[random token]

I never want that in my sight again/j

[lean kayak]

So yesterdag i relived some spirits in isle and i never noticed the skykid falling from the sky... is that new or is it just me not paying attention at first? I think it was ushering stargazer

[frigid tinsel]

That’s been a part of Stargazer’s memory since Prophecy

[lean kayak]

Ooo i see

I wonder what it looked like before prophecy? Or was that when the spirit was first seen?

[frigid tinsel]

The memories were completely different. Ushering Stargazer was Ushering Migrant. Pointing Candlemaker was Pointing Pilgrim. The only thing that was the same was their models

[violet sundial]

NAURRR HELP

[fickle snow]

what does pilgrim means tho....

edit in response to the comment under this

what is pilgrimage? qwq they dont teach you this in the english school DXD

[frigid tinsel]

Someone who goes on a pilgrimage

[random token]

woa

[frigid tinsel]

You do realize you are on the internet and all this information is at the tip of your fingers, yea?

[fickle snow]

DX iforgot about google's existence..... damn it

[untold notch]

mood

[fickle snow]

LOL (i ping u bc ur name says ping pls)

[native galleon]

funny you mention that bc i used that spell that makes u appear as an adult yesterday and i was still like half the height of a regular spirit

[random token]

We're just destined to be short

[native galleon]

And even with another spell to get bigger i was still shorter than them

[broken pendant]

what in god’s name is this

oh whoopsie. Pinged

[native galleon]

i mean default height is like 3ft/1m right? which is around the height of like a 4 year old but based on proportions they don't look quite that young. so i think they're just small

[random token]

Teeny babies

[native galleon]

been thinking about this bc i saw what canon height was and i was like aint no way

[frigid tinsel]

we actually don't have a canon height. the one that's often passed around was calculated by a madlad here who had worked out the heights of things like skykids and elders using a file cabinet from the Office as a start: https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/632004389137154048/658041369289555980

[native galleon]

oh i thought that was canon my b

i just remembered that in like 1st grade i was mad bc i was so close to 4ft so i was like, wow they're small

[hushed steeple]

But like are skykids just like 3ft or were our ancestors like 8ft 💀 Or both?

[native galleon]

i think both

go up to any spirit in home rn they're giant

[hushed steeple]

true also if you go into the room with the telekinesis spirit in Vault, the stools that the ancestors I assume would sit on and use, are the size of a skykid

[native galleon]

ooh good point

[hushed steeple]

that table is HUGE

[queen dawn]

The table might have been for the elders

[native galleon]

it looks proportional to the spirit in the room tho

[untold notch]

the spell doesn't make you appear as an adult it just makes you tall

[lean kayak]

Ooh i see!

[native galleon]

maybe it's a language thing? bc i play in spanish and it says "you will become an adult for 10 minutes"

[untold notch]

most likely that, then. that's interesting

[native galleon]

also it's different from the one that makes you huge bc i used both at the same time 👀

[hushed steeple]

im pretty sure it says adult and I play english

[hushed steeple]

if we assume that the height of a chibi is around 2’3” like the Office comparison would say…

Look at the sheer size difference between a chibi skykid and the yawn spirit’s bed

[native galleon]

i was just in there guiding moths i'm almost max height and it's still huge!

[hushed steeple]

Right?? Why were our ancestors giants

[native galleon]

#screenshots-and-videos message this is me with the growing + size spells next to the spirit i was bothering

i just did this as a joke and now i'm questioning everything 💀

[hushed steeple]

Seems like the AURORA spirits might be closer to irl person size? I’ve noticed they seem kinda smaller than regular spirits but idk if that’s just me

[native galleon]

and i'm STILL smaller

[hushed steeple]

fr 💀

[native galleon]

idk if they're actually smaller or if the coliseum is just big tho

also regular ones vary a bit anyway

[hushed steeple]

both fair points

[native galleon]

we may never know

[hushed steeple]

spirits are huge and skykids are tiny either way

[lusty merlin]

I mean if you take aurora’s model as her actual height ingame compared to the aurora spirits, they’re massive. Bt it could also be that way since aurora is pretty short irl, around 5ft 2 if i remember?

[brisk python]

omg aurora is smol

[native galleon]

i wouldn't know i didn't get the wings

[lucid egret]

Even Aurora is tiny compared to the spirits. All the spirits of her season tower over her during the concert. Warrior of Love and Seed of Hope especially

[lusty merlin]

I think tgc posted a concert experience on their channel, i do know before every song the aurora spirits and aurora stand infront of another

[lucid egret]

The video isn’t the same as seeing the concert and playing it yourself, but it’s an amazing free alternative for the people who couldn’t afford the wings

[halcyon hull]

Her winx wings form is revenge

[lusty merlin]

Brb imma do some probably not accurate math

[native galleon]

what have i done

[lucid egret]

Aurora: to stop making myself feel tiny, I will become MASSIVE
Spirits: Aurora NO
Aurora: AURORA YES

[halcyon hull]

GO GIRL AVENGE THE SKYKIDS

[native galleon]

i wish i got the wings :/ i miss playing the music and being yeeted into the arena

[lucid egret]

I have the wings, i could take you later if you want

[native galleon]

wait fr? feel free to send a qr

[lusty merlin]

Said bad math, since Aurora is around 5ft 2-3 i just sorta messed around till the heights looked like the screenshot ingame

Warrior and backflip was tricky cuz i couldn’t get a proper photo but i tried to math them up aswell and this is the result

So yeah spirits are tall or mega tall

Warrior might be a lil too tall now that i look back but shaving a few cm’s off and that’s (hypothetically) the height of ancestors in sky

[lusty merlin]

Augh sorry liv i meant to reply to my previous message not to yours

[uncut pond]

Tbf Aurora is kinda short

I know because I too am 5' 3"

[lusty merlin]

Yaya, compared to somebody who could be around 5’7 or something, warrior of love would be an average height to them

Backflip not so much

[frigid tinsel]

Aurora is as tall as Night Elder

[broken pendant]

bro is 8 feet tall

[torpid stag]

I'm curious, does anyone have any theories of what the island far off to the right from home is? (or does anyone know

[random token]

Sky ancestor genetics

Maybe the chairs in vault were meant for elders

[broken pendant]

oh yeah that’s the netease server

[torpid stag]

netease server?

[broken pendant]

The Chinese server

[torpid stag]

whaaa r u joking?

[random token]

Lol they do have a separate server

[torpid stag]

i being seriousss like is isle over there? I'm rly curious (i know its just for decoration but I like sky lore a lot

[grim python]

It was technically used as a backdrop for the old intro, but since it’s still there it could represent something actually there (probably isle)

not sure if it’s still there but back when the table drive glitch was possible you could go over there and see the old intro murals

[uncut pond]

It's not there for decoration... It's there probably because TGC can't delete it without breaking the game

[lucid egret]

Does anyone have a pic of those?

[torpid stag]

im watching it right now in a yt video! its called distinct home islands in home area

woaaaah

[uncut pond]

Just keep in mind that those murals are unused for a reason

[torpid stag]

you mean like, they arent actual lore, (they are still cool tho and pretty vague anyways

[uncut pond]

This, basically

It's from an old intro cutscene that was removed from the game long ago, but the murals remain there for some reason

[torpid stag]

man I love when sky lets us oob, I have never seen another game so easily oobable, like I get wanting immersion but I just love behind the scenes for stuff especially games cuz its so rare I feel like to see it first person

[uncut pond]

The only reason OOBs are so interesting in Sky specifically is because TGC seems to be unable of getting rid of older content so instead they just move it to where you can't see it

If you were to OOB in most other games, you would find nothing

If they were able to find a way to delete all that old stuff without breaking the game, it would probably run better and be more lightweight

[torpid stag]

yeahh true, well I love it that sky does it like that, it feels like a homemade game almost even tho its a huge thing heheh

[native galleon]

ur good!

[sharp lichen]

Alasdair: About if the King exists or not on your January 26 conversation. I find it interesting, as it’s basically a Ship of Theseus question. If there’s a figure who’s changed so much as to be completely different from their original self, should they be called the same thing? It’s an interesting question that I have no answer to.

Here’s my idea for a Sky timeline! Although this isn’t a debunk or counter to @keen shore’s timeline, I will be offering differing viewpoints to what they say.

An important factor is the technology of the Sky world in general. For example, seasons like Prophecy have power diamonds in the Trials but not in the main entrance, which could mean the creation of the Cave of Prophecies could’ve taken a long time.

Let’s do this by release date:

Salem said that the first 4 seasons were all close together, which I think is true. The darkness was still there, but it isn’t too far into the timeline.

Enchantment is very late. Although they have the colored lights of Prophecy, it does not appear in Prophecy’s murals. It also references the Lightseekers in the murals and the technology of the ark itself is very advanced.

Sanctuary has the colored lights being used. Because of the next paragraph, this puts it quite early on the timeline.

Prophecy is real interesting. Darkstone is used in the trials itself, but not in the entrance to the Cave of Prophecies. The events displayed on the murals are prophesied, which means that the cave itself existed before. However, the murals are revealed to us in chronological order- each trial shows us the next events that happen. In the Water Trial we see the Chosen One entering, in the Earth Trial we see the Chosen One getting the colored lights. In the Air Trial we see the Chosen One FIRST giving colored lights to the ordinary Ancestors, and then to the Elders.

Dreams is odd. It probably took place around/before Performance, but it couldn’t be too far back. I’ll place it near the end of the timeline due to Performance.

Assembly has one singular connection to Lightseekers. Given how zero Lightseekers spirits appear during the season, I think Assembly probably took place a bit after them.

The Little Prince is the hardest to piece. I’ll just plop it near the first few seasons and leave it alone.

Flight is really interesting. It had to have taken place after Enchantment, as without the boat, the Forgotten Ark is just another piece of desert with no reason to go there. It’s not the absolute latest season, but it’s close to it.

Abyss has no connections to any other season. However, we see murals that show that the Treasure Reef used to be a refinery. The Abyss Spirits came to the Treasure Reef after it flooded. and it’s been so long that an entire ecosystem has been created due to the flooding. Only an extremely desperate crew would dive without any form of breathing just to scavenge for power diamonds. I’m placing Abyss at the very end.

Yes, Performance Guide and Rhythm Guide were twins. However, their stories could still take place in different times. The presence of the advanced electric guitar, the Flight Handpan and the Eden painting leads me to believe Performance took place very late in the timeline.

Shattering is the simplest to rank. This holds one of the most pivotal memories in Sky, showing the Eden Diamond exploding. It took place before Abyss and Performance but after everything else.

Aurora has lots of basegame memories, and their spirit memories take place in seemingly different times. It would be too cluttered to include all of it.

My full timeline, earliest to latest:

Prophecy
Sanctuary
Gratitude
Belonging
Lightseekers
Rhythm
The Little Prince
Assembly
Enchantment
Dreams
Flight
Shattering
Performance
Abyss

[random token]

I mean it could be?

[sharp lichen]

It’s actually more realistic than that. I calculated Skykids against Aurora’s height and got virtually the same result,

[untold notch]

how close is this message to discords character limit

[sharp lichen]

Almost double

[brisk python]

[untold notch]

good lord

[brisk python]

i can't wait for the further quests in remembrance ahhhh
i wanna see what teabrewer's gonna look like

[sharp lichen]

Baudshaw is back!

[halcyon abyss]

Welcome back, traveler

[brisk python]

wb! (just. dont cold dm me next time, please )

[frigid tinsel]

welcome back, Baud

[tepid veldt]

baud is back!!

[keen shore]

Keep in mind when discussing timeline things, especially as it revolves around darkstone, that we know Isle and to a lesser extent Prairie likely shunned darkstone, and so saying that areas in Isle were built early on because they don’t have darkstone might be an inaccurate interpretation of the facts

It would be along the lines of saying the wind paths was super early in the timeline because they don’t use darkstone, if that helps with the comparison.

[keen shore]

In reverse, You would also necessarily see the most advanced forms of darkstone technology, such as the aforementioned electric guitar, the dreams gondolas, and memory lanterns used for special effects in Valley as they seemed to use and experiment with it the most. Vault is in very second place because everyone there is a nerd but its usage there seems mostly limited to memory lanterns, the elevator, and variations of tech you find in other realms, like floating platforms

[sharp lichen]

You do say that, but keep in mind many places in Isle and Prairie (Isle temple, the Boogie Kid area, Prairie Villages) have darkstone built within them. They may have shunned them very early on, but as the kingdom grew they began to use it more.

[sharp lichen]

The Wind Paths were late because they were connected to places that used darkstone

[keen shore]

Why does darkstone only need to be late in the timeline?

[lusty merlin]

i agree! thinking of veterans memory you have the windchime with the little dark stone holding it up as their kid grew up, so its definitely not something brand new its probably been around for decades

[keen shore]

Good point. Slightly altered idea. Darkstone is in minor use in both isle and prairie, as in, parts you’d only strictly need it for. Where this changes is in places considered holy or sacred to some extent (for lack of a better word) — temples, the cave of prophecies.

Boogie kid’s cave is weird cause you could argue it’s more part of prairie, I see it as an in between location personally, although both could work

[sharp lichen]

It’s also connected to so many seasons that come before it, so it naturally comes late into the timeline

[keen shore]

In what way? I read over your original post, I just didn’t see an explanation for that point, sorry

[Edited because I got distracted typing this and ended up coming across a lot ruder than I had meant]

[frigid tinsel]

being released more recently ≠ later in the kingdom's timeline

[keen shore]

In addition, darkstone can’t be that late into the timeline. At the very least, we know for sure from prophecy murals that it’s older than One. If Wasteland is also messed up that badly from pollution caused by darkstone refineries, that means there would only be a very short window for that to actually happen in — I ran into this issue in my timeline as well, and ended up concluding by the time the prophecy started to be fulfilled, things were already going south from darkstone pollution and corruption

If you want to get around the very short issue, the main option for you would be to space out your timeline a lot, to the extent where Prophecy might have taken place centuries before everything else; which, personally, is hard for me to see also

[keen shore]

I also ended up using this alteration cause it provides an easy explanation for why they’d need a prophesized chosen one in the first place

[random token]

I like the way you explain things Salem, its easier to understand for me, for some reason .

Timeline stuff is not my field so I enjoy reading your guys' thoughts

[sharp lichen]

My original point for Flight has little to do with darkstone. I put it later because it had to have come after Enchantment, and Enchantment came after Lightseekers and Prophecy

Darkstone probably came very early, around Prophecy, but not every place used it equally

We also don’t know the spirit’s life cycles (more specifically, how long they take), further complicating stuff. While I can arrange the seasons relative to other seasons, we can’t provide specific times between the seasons

[half shadow]

nice to see you back baud!

[pure python]

Who is the elder of Eden and what is his story ?

[lusty merlin]

there's barely any story about them really or if there truly was an eden elder at all to begin with, we just know from vault cutscene and eden mural that they probably did something and was involved with the eden diamond in some way, no context on what that would be exactly

[tepid veldt]

i want my brain to be consumed tonight, give me any and all spirit/elder interactions that live rent free in your minds

[lofty bramble]

cool theory i thought of: in sky’s concept arts there is a creature called the megabird (first image) which is apparently the origin of all life in the world of sky, basically a huge flaming bird, and in vault of knowledge the water that surrounds the gate to the secret area has glyphs (second image) floating in it that look like what might be a stylized depiction of the megabird in the ancestors’ artstyle. i think this is a reference to how TGC technically made the world of sky

[lusty merlin]

they're actually ingame too! if you look straight up in orbit you can see a similar version of them! they also appear in the ending credits

while the office itself isn't cannon i really like the water mural here too cuz it does imply megabird is life themselves

kind of like a cycle metaphorically and physically, all life starts and ends with them

[frigid tinsel]

Megabird

[sharp lichen]

Where’s the second picture at?

[frigid tinsel]

Orbit, look straight up

[keen shore]

THANK YOU SO MUCH I appreciate it a lot! Explaining things has historically been a struggle for me so I’m glad to know I’ve improved at it 💛

[keen shore]

I was struggling to phrase this earlier but I do want to mention, the ark doesn’t have to have reached its destination through the wind paths. it could have been blown off course due to the storm, or simply been traveling to its destination over the clouds when it fell, but come from somewhere else. Given the fact that its presence on the island seems to be unintentional, I would assume one of those is the case anyways. There’s also the issue of it being such a massive (and darkstone reliant) boat that whether it would’ve been allowed in the wind paths is up for debate

[lofty bramble]

yea ik office isnt canon! i meant it as a silly joke about tgc being megabird

[lusty merlin]

ahh okay okay, couldnt tell you were joking

[coral bramble]

Game theory should be here

[sharp lichen]

We’re better

[lusty merlin]

not that we're better but i feel like they'll horribly miss the point of the game like they did with hallowknight, and possibly bring alot of misinformation too

[coral bramble]

Well I don’t know anything about you so I don’t know who ( or what ) is better

[sharp lichen]

But even still, there would be no lore-related reason for the Wind Paths to go through a random isolated part of Golden Wasteland (especially when it’s the farthest possible place from the Wind Paths). The only reason is for the Wind Paths to make a connection to the Forgotten Ark afterwards. There’s also the Season of Dreams, with the Hermit Valley only being accessible through darkstone-powered boats

[frigid tinsel]

MatPat & the Game Theory brand is notorious for deliberately misinterpreting games for clickbait, altering the course of lore discourse in a fandom. Look at FNAF and Hollow Knight — they’ve been forever screwed over cos one guy wanted to make money. For a game with a lot of nuance and hidden quips like Sky, that would be devastating.

[sharp lichen]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

This rivals any theory video made by Matpat.

It wouldn’t be devastating if he made a video, just stupidly funny

[brisk python]

me, who genuinely does like mat's theory videos bc they're entertaining:

[lusty merlin]

yes exactly!

like he connected sans to be steven universe but dead its awful💀 , and i feel liek he'll only look at the hero's journey perspective too when its clear sky is nothing like that

[frigid tinsel]

Stupidly funny if you’re an outsider. As some who enjoys picking at Sky, seeing MatPat inevitably misinterpret the game in a way that’d be anathema to its core message then seeing a bunch of his fanboys accept it as the word of god would be harrowing for me and the lot of us who’s been spending so much time and energy figuring out this game.

[untold notch]

and then they'd flood lore chat with their nonsense and it would just be really bad

[lusty merlin]

YES

GOD i do not want that at all, feel like he'll make the theory extremely over the top edgy too which would go so offtrack of what sky actually is

[brisk python]

i'll be honest i dont know why people take his videos seriously at all to begin with /genuine
or like. think he's spittin facts

[tepid veldt]

ive never even watched his videos and judging from what yall are saying i think its a better idea that i dont

[lusty merlin]

me neither, but i do know there's folks that genuinely believe his words to be true which like they aren't even right 99% of the time (other 1% is when he somehow predicted some of the fnaf timeline)

[brisk python]

i like watching them bc it does get me thinking like oh this could be possible or i just like listening to what he comes up with but like. i dont take his videos as Undeniable Fact like almost everyone does

beaned tac? asihasda

[lusty merlin]

beaned

i just have a gut feeling he would paint the elders as evil which i would hate with all my being

[untold notch]

what matpat would do is he would give them genders

[brisk python]

well so far he hasn't made a video on sky so hopefully he doesnt
i want him to stick to other stuff ifhsdf
but anyways uh so uh
tsadi saturday guys let's go

sorry *tsadi tsdaturday

[tepid veldt]

sah saturday

[lusty merlin]

(i hope he never cares enough to make a sky video)

TSADI TDATURDAY LETS GO

AND SAH SATURDAY

[brisk python]

TOMORROW IS TSADI TSUNDAY

[tepid veldt]

tsadi has most of the week confirmed

[haughty ledge]

I mean. Sky lore is pretty angsty

[round parrot]

I am in tsadi tsunday rn (timezone shenanigans)

[lusty merlin]

yes but i feel like game theory would make it overtly absurdly edgy to get as much clickbait titles as possible

[haughty ledge]

Valid

[simple flicker]

||Did it ever hit anyone else that we wear the souls of the deceased as capes to fly?||

[frigid tinsel]

Game Theory would pull a “skykids are child sacrifices for the Eden diamond’s ego” which misses the point

[tepid veldt]

everyone died a tragic death in this children’s game

[frigid tinsel]

Speaking of edgy

[lusty merlin]

he'd probably believe aurora is megabird

[random token]

child

[round parrot]

Or perhaps "The Diamond uses the children's souls to power it up, furthering the destruction"

[quick jasper]

he'd take all concept art and run with it

[lusty merlin]

"we ordered the among us potion (concept art) from the dark web!!!!! (tom zhao's website)" /ref

[brisk python]

can we switch from matpat now and go back to lore /nm /lh

[tepid veldt]

in that case

[lusty merlin]

(ya i dont wanna talk about him anymore )

[lusty merlin]

i can see twirl, cheering, and mellow going to concerts together

[brisk python]

uhhh im still not familiar with all of the spirits since i'm a shattering moth but
sah and mehk having competitions w/ each other as the valley spirits watch and cheer for either sah or mehk (did i spell their names right asidhasd)

[tepid veldt]

reposting the assembly and abyss crews coming together

stage one: lots of group hugs
stage two: arson
stage three: flaming harpoons
stage four: assembly guide ascends from worry
stage five: abyss guide ascends from laughter

[random token]

I love the rival sibling energy the valley twins give off

[sharp lichen]

I mean, Winged Lights do make us fly… but what are Winged Lights?

[random token]

Also this is just a small theory of mine, but what if the Sun Symbol (the rebellion / opposing side) came from using alternative energy sources? The diamond symbol would represent dark stone.

[brisk python]

hey! lorechat! vanya here. did you know that in sky: children of the light, you use what's called 'winged lights' to fly around the world? but...what are winged lights? (vsauce music plays)

[random token]

consume

[tepid veldt]

but also pleading child wandering into wind paths and being surrounded by the blorbos and mantas gives me life

[random token]

That’s the ending they deserved tbh

[brisk python]

pleading child gets to grow up and be the manta rider they always wanted to be (best ending)

[random token]

Warrior of Love being mentor to pleading is my dream and I wished they had a better ending than starving in vault.

[tepid veldt]

you think warrior of love vibes in wind paths sometimes?
better yet, do you think the wind paths acts like a stable for horses for mantas?
“hi flight guide, mind if i take some mantas out for a ride?”
“sure just dont blow anything up”

[native galleon]

i don't think winged lights are necessarily souls of children bc wing buffs are also a source of it. maybe more like a reward for helping the souls ascend? idk i'm kinda new and might be way off base

[random token]

m’not sure. Maybe not a stable. I saw some talk about timeline stuff here earlier, someone mentioned about Flight being before dark stone, so I think the mantas being their way of getting around would fly through the wind paths.

Plus there’s not a lot of space for the mantas to be exactly

[lofty bramble]

iirc game theorys whole schtick isnt about being actually true or accurate but more about fun satires like… “bro what if ness was sans itd be crazy” kinda way

[haughty ledge]

Consider: Bereft Veteran and Pleading Child
Vet plays with Ch, teaches them how to make wind chimes
It's not the same as what either of them have lost but it's something

[random token]

That’d be very cute. I also HC that bereft and Wounded aren’t on the same side, yet took shelter in the same place. They learn to get along over time.

[sharp lichen]

You’re right, winged light might be a physical form of wing buffs!

And how do you get wing buffs? AC, which are souls of the dead kinda

[keen shore]

To be honest, I think personally that the specific directions the wind paths lead to were chosen based more on player convenience than lore. Think of it as a similar situation to the Eden background in Performance’s Village Theater. Considering how they only lead to seasonal locations, and seasons were only a thing after the disaster, it would either be a very strange and unlikely coincidence, flight guide somehow predicts the future or like how I said above.

Because of this, although I still don’t consider the places the wind paths lead as ‘noncanon’, I accept that timeline lore may not have been valued very much in comparison to player quality of life when the locations the wind paths led to were chosen, and so personally, I am wary of using them as standalone evidence to prove something as large as the timeline

[haughty ledge]

...How often do people blow things up with mantas?

[native galleon]

veteran being reminded of his kid

[lofty bramble]

honestly i think its because the world in sky doesnt exist in a physical way and the places dont connect that way either. thats why realms have to be connected together through constellations gates instead of actually just being… connected, you have to walk through a portal instead of walking there

[native galleon]

also spirits who have capes each have 1 star on them which has. interesting implications

[random token]

Ah that is a good point, but what if the wind paths were altered in some way? I think it’s also out of dev convenience if they led you straight to the main story places, the player wouldn’t explore and just use the windpaths as an easy shortcut

[keen shore]

Their name in the new intro, Lost Memories, may be relevant to this conversation!

[When approaching and gathering the first WL]
Seek Lost Memories to gather Winged Light.
Go, Child. The Kingdom of Sky awaits your Light.
Begin by answering the temple’s call.

I do have a very complicated theory on WL that I can link or TLDR if anyone wants to see it, although I don’t mind if there’s no interest

[native galleon]

not sure what those implications are but it's interesting

[half shadow]

there is interest 👀

[keen shore]

Unfortunately, as far as we can tell, them having a WL star to begin with is a visual bug 😔

[frigid tinsel]

it's presumably a bug since spirits with capes didn't have stars until an update where devs said they tried to fix a bug with players' cape stars.

[sharp lichen]

Besides the very first one in Isle, you don’t need constellation gates to advance to the next realm. You can easily go to the next realm

[random token]

I can save the link for later if you send it

[half shadow]

wouldn’t it be crazy if just out of nowhere a spirit memory showed them flying with their cape. i would lose my mind

[frigid tinsel]

sadly ancestors seemed to be bound by the laws of gravity

[random token]

capes were probably a fashion or culture thing like the masks

[half shadow]

yeah that’s almost definitely the case

[lofty bramble]

by realms i meant pretty much anywhere in the game that are separated by constellations gates. im calling them realms bc the tutorial specifically used the word “realms” when teaching you how constellation gates worked. like the butterfly field is a realm, the bird nest is also a realm, bc you need to go through a gate from field to bird nest

[frigid tinsel]

there aren't constellation gates separating the realms, just Elder temples

[sharp lichen]

Constellation gates I’m iffy about lore-wise, they seem more like a thing to prevent new players from getting lost.

[keen shore]

Initially starts here [#lore-discussion-spoilers message] but the main WL focused part is here [#lore-discussion-spoilers message]

TLDR: our former form, basically who we were before the ‘return’ the intro mentions us undergoing, got sucked into the Eden Diamond during the moment of shattering. An imprint of it was created, much like the shattering memories are imprints of things that got sucked in. However, due to some sort of light shenanigans, this imprint stayed fully conscious with a mind and memories of its own. This is the person we hug in Orbit. The rest of us promptly got split into tiny us shaped pieces and spat out into the beam, falling to the ground in a similar fashion to shards as fragmented ‘lost memories’, which become WL.

Thank you so much for your interest, btw 💛💛

[brisk python]

omg so the child we hug at the end of eden is who we were before the disaster? and we, the hugger, was what was going around collecting our own memories in each realm ?? and when they hug, we become our true self ?

[sharp lichen]

I have a 1 hour video on this, I NEED to organize better

[keen shore]

Yeah, pretty much! Keep in mind this is theorized, not confirmed, but that’s pretty much the basis of my theory

[lofty bramble]

it can fit in the lore imo. i dont know why but the world of sky feels to me like it doesnt operate on a physical plane but is instead… some other dimension thing where everything is more conceptual

[sharp lichen]

There is a world map though… and the Switch Trailer shows it as more grounded

[brisk python]

it makes me want to ask why most wls are standing and looking up, but maybe that's how we were positioned before the disaster? staring up at the diamond as it was beginning to shatter?
plus, why would there be wls in the shattering void memories, and two of them within the elder memory if we only get one wl from it ? unless im looking to much into it asdiahsd

[lofty bramble]

i dont rly see how that goes against this theory? /gen

[native galleon]

so sky kids existed before the disaster? i thought they were like a version 2.0 of ancestors that came from the stars after the fall. once again though idk anything

[brisk python]

well we see in the ushering stargazer's cutscene that they're standing above a fallen skykid (though it's presumed to be the first fallen skykid, im not sure)

[half shadow]

this is awesome!!! I feel like I pretty much agree with this and it synergizes well with the theory that the person we were was the chosen one/eventual king that I like

[keen shore]

The first two questions I would say yes to!

I do want to specify (because I forgot to earlier) that this is a general theory for why WL exist in the first place. Based on where we find many of them in game, it is my belief that most if not all WL locations are chosen either based on convenience or to provide a good challenge to the player seeking them.

For example, another good example of a WL that doesn’t make a lot of sense with the original theory if you don’t add that caveat is the one underwater in treasure reef, and really any underground ones — if they fell from the sky like shards, how’d they get there? I’d love to make a theory that explains that bit as well with terms that fully function in-universe, but unfortunately, I don’t know if that’s possible. Convenience to obtain them or fun puzzles seem to take precedence over the devs perfectly calculating the physics of where each WL would fall

[frigid tinsel]

it's thought that there was only one skykid, or rather proto-skykid, who existed during the ancestors era, who was Chosen One/Storm depicted on the Cave of Prophecies murals and the new Eden mural

[brisk python]

YEAH, i was always wondering about how some would be underground/underwater, or why some are in very close proximity to each other, ect
this is the one thing that stinks about lore, sometimes there's nothing there and it's only made for player convenience so it acts as red herrings :'(

[half shadow]

what’s the new eden mural you’re referring to?

[keen shore]

Yeah!! I noticed that aspect of it pretty fast too, especially with the focus on the idea the shattering memories present, which is: the diamond makes imprints shaped like something’s original shape, meaning that if this theory is true, our original form would have been skykid shaped. It’s a conclusion that’s hard to not come to in some degree

[frigid tinsel]

I keep calling it new lol, it came out during Shattering... Season of Shattering was 6 months ago, oh gods

[half shadow]

oh gods it was oh thanks salem!

[frigid tinsel]

yea, that's the one I edited for clarity. it show up when you light the candles in the temple of the second area

[sharp lichen]

MOST of Sky’s world is shown in a geographic fashion via this map (with a slight vaulty exception)

[lofty bramble]

yeah well the vault and orbit part do make it look not very geographical but i see what u mean!

THAT TOO… the trials

[brisk python]

slams hands down
i want to know WHERE the trials are located exactly
like yes they show it on the map but. they're in their own dimensions it looks like and arghhh

[half shadow]

Seeing as how we sit at a big statue and meditate before entering the trials I always assumed they were taking place in some magical realm or even in our own minds or something similar

[keen shore]

Based on appearance, I would guess they’re in a similar place to the elder dimensions! Which, weirdly enough, might be inside pieces of darkstone.

If they’re not, they’re still probably not real places. I’ve always seen them as dream worlds almost. They can’t physically kill you, much like dying in a dream, and they’re suspended in these weird empty voids.

[frigid tinsel]

somewhere right now a Sky geographer is sobbing

[keen shore]

For all their skills, the ancestors and skykids of Sky are… not great at making accurate maps

[sharp lichen]

Just gaslight yourself into believing the Sky maps are accurate, problem solved

[keen shore]

Our skykids also seem to have very loose perceptions of what a geographer actually does. All Sneezing Geographer does is draw the Eden mountain a few times and suddenly they count. Not to mention cartographers

[half shadow]

he is doing a GREAT job

[keen shore]

With the stars obscured, no wonder all those wasteland ships got lost and crashed

[random token]

See that mural has me thinking about the Chosen one theory, what if they really did know how to contact orbit/mega bird but failed?

[lofty bramble]

ik just bc its in the concept arts doesnt mean its canon but….. i find the implications there is also a human world as opposed to a sky world in skys worldbuilding rly fascinating and itd be bombshell lore to drop someday if its canon

[native galleon]

I mean, Aurora is a real person, and she's human in the concert...👀

[brisk python]

if it's a dream, then how come we keep the wax and wl we get from inside?
but ah, that's so hard to think about, it's possible it could be a dream area, or we actually get teleported somewhere, or something,,,it's just been bothering me asidhaf

[random token]

Tryna say this could show the ritual, why they’re all praising that one

[half shadow]

considering the concepts of wax and wl are themselves some kinda magical process, i don’t think it’s that unusual to think they couldn’t carry over. that’s also probably a gameplay mechanic moreso

[brisk python]

yeah, im just looking too hard into it

[sharp lichen]

I think the trials are more like a pocket dimension than a dream

[keen shore]

The Trials are very weird to think about in general, I don’t blame you. I would assume we get the wax and WL because players would be extremely annoyed if their hard earned reward from the trials got taken away, but who knows? There’s a nonzero chance the animation project will depict them at least

[sharp lichen]

We should bet on what the animation project will include

[brisk python]

i might stick to the pocket dimension thing, since that's really the only thing i can think of that makes sense for their reason for existing
but then there's the thing where im sitting here like. how did they make them aaaa

[lofty bramble]

there are also several illustrations of a modern world (skyscrapers and cities and everything) in the concept arts and im so deathly curious about this “human world” and its relation to sky world

[random token]

That’s old concept art

[half shadow]

one of the older animation project teasers got reccomended to me on youtube and i watched it just for fun and saw this. baby whales

[sharp lichen]

Interesting, but I think “human world” could mean the world of the Spirits/Ancestors, while the “Sky world” seems to be Orbit, at least in this context

[brisk python]

B
BABY WHALES

[keen shore]

Awesome, I will start. The animation project will depict at least part of the time directly after One fell and the story surrounding that. It’ll also have some of Prophecy in it.

I will be remembering this, if I’m right, you all have to draw me a single cat doodle each and DM it to me when I am proven correct

[half shadow]

Oh yeah the human world thing is really old concept art, i don’t think it has much bearing on the lore ingame anymore unless you believe that Office is canon

[keen shore]

It can be part of really interesting headcanon worlds, though!

[lofty bramble]

that could be it but im not sure the ancestors had a civilization this advanced?

[native galleon]

speaking of the office and human world, i've been thinking about the portal through the tv that takes you to a satellite in space?? what's that about. are we the aliens

[sharp lichen]

I’m betting at least half the seasons in Sky will have some reference, however minor, in the animation project.

I’m also betting that the true name of “King/Prince/Alef/Resh/Eden Elder/Storm/One” will be at least shown, and it will cause some intense discussion here.

I will be remembering this, if I’m right, you all have to draw me a single Prophecy Guide doodle each and DM it to me when I am shown correct

[half shadow]

again, these are pretty old concept art. you can even see that the skykid in them is another fairly old concept of how they would look. the ancestors don’t have that kind of technology you’re right but this art was likely around the time they considered the idea of having the modern world connected somehow, but that idea seems to have been dropped fairly early in development in favor of going all in on the fantasy aspect

[sharp lichen]

I do not think Sky’s world is all fantasy, there are many aspects that show the Sky world as pretty advanced, even if it isn’t on a level shown on the concept art

[lofty bramble]

man rhat wouldve been cooler imo… the inclusion of the human world i mean

[keen shore]

Fantasy worlds can have advanced technology!

[half shadow]

oh yeah i used the term fantasy in favor of saying something like “going all in on the universe of sky as something fantastical and unrelated to modern day” but i wasn’t super clear

[brisk python]

sky version of twitter: (i cant think of a funny way to incorporate mantas into the name so just. twitter logo but manta.)

[native galleon]

isnt that just messenger boats

[half shadow]

sky isn’t technically a fantasy like how it’s usually used but I think the term could still apply tbh

[brisk python]

no but like they have skyphones n stuff

[random token]

May I just say, I am so excited for the animation project, and what it will give us moving forward

[frigid tinsel]

Sky isn't high fantasy. I would say Sky is more science fantasy

[brisk python]

jokes on all of us sky is billions of years in the future in our timeline /j

[sharp lichen]

Funnily enough that was my very first theory

I knew that the stars were falling and I was like “heat death of the universe?????”

[brisk python]

omg

[keen shore]

Sky lore: The stars have fallen, and now the sky is empty.. what will we do with a sky so empty and devoid of meaning — a metaphor that darkness has taken over every aspect of our lives…
The visible night sky in starlight desert:

[untold notch]

well it's hardly fair if I have to go against you also I agree?

[tepid veldt]

baby i aint even here, just a hallucination

[subtle valley]

This comment reminds me of The Egg, by Andy Weir

I can't seem to come up with a summary off the top of my head right now, so have a well worded one from some random site i found lol

The story explains that both death and time do not really exist – they are concepts on earth that humans created.

Instead, The Egg explains that god created one single human. This human life grew and multiplied. And, since that time, whenever a human life died, it simply moved on to take the form of another life, reincarnated in past or present time.

||(Source: https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/09/02/youtube-andy-weirs-the-egg-leaves-everyone-questioning-their-own/?amp=1#)||

[untold notch]

eggchamp

[native galleon]

multiplied how

[tepid veldt]

i have made a cursed image in my mind, thanks astral

[untold notch]

(also dont ping alsdair its in their name)

[subtle valley]

I like to think of it like the quantum mechanics; where one atom is simultaneously here, AND there lol

[native galleon]

Schrodinger's Egg

[subtle valley]

Oh no, i didnt realize. Thank you for pointing it out to me

[frigid tinsel]

oh yea The Egg got me 👌

[subtle valley]

Sorry for pinging earlier lol

[shrewd zenith]

Thinking about the implications about Ceremonial Worshipper in Prairie as well as the concept art mentions of leaving behind fire worship

[half shadow]

i remember being in third grade and coming up with this idea on my own without ever knowing about this story and when i finally did read it in highschool i felt so mad

[subtle valley]

I am SO glad i am not the only one.

[shrewd zenith]

Just saying the butterfly location in Daylight Prairie screams lore but its 3 AM and I know nothing about rational thought in any capacity

[untold notch]

(please embed) got reminded of this image

[random token]

Isn't that the guy with the oreo place

[shrewd zenith]

Do direct me into the direction of this discussion to read it later. Also yes, Oreo location

[random token]

Yeah I have no idea what's up with that guy

[keen shore]

Thought you meant me I was momentarily very confused

[random token]

isksbdkend I mean, what if you were

I saw Andy weir got mentioned. Project Hail mary anyone?

[native shoal]

“As the world caves in” would fit the collapse very well

[sharp lichen]

Yeah! That was a great book

[native shoal]

Maybe from the perspective of someone in vault, who sees what’s going on and knows what’s going to happen

[slender sphinx]

idk if this is lore as much as it is just me wondering, but if this season's spirits are refugees in the vault, where did they live originally? it must have been wasteland right? especially because of the large presence of soldiers and the war in their memories maybe this is a bit obvious but it's kinda interesting to think about how and where they were living before the vault,,

[keen shore]

Probably wasteland, yeah! As you mentioned, the war seems to have occurred there the most. Remembrance guide we’re unsure on, though; they could be from wherever!

It is very interesting and often heartbreaking thinking about them having to leave their previous home and lives behind; I wonder how much they persisted through before finally being forced to give up

[sharp lichen]

I theorize that the Bereft Veteran lived in the connection between the Wind Paths and Forgotten Ark. It would be a valuable spot for anyone to acquire in the war

[random token]

I personally think near wasteland or valley trying to head for safety, but then got caught in the battle. Just barely made it.

[slender sphinx]

ahhh yeah, it's interesting to think about

[hushed steeple]

hello lore chat! i was curious abt what this mural may mean as i stumbled across it in eden

[slate saffron]

@sharp lichen BAUD DE SHAW WELCOME BACK

[hushed steeple]

oh nice

[half shadow]

this mural depicts a figure we call the Chosen One, the same figure that shows up in the Prophecy cave murals and the most likely candidate for the King/Ruler of the kingdom

[flint bolt]

The elders made that big diamond thing in the Eye of Eden, and it shows it redistributing light everywhere.

[halcyon hull]

Nah

[brisk python]

(dont ping them it's in their name)

[warm dagger]

now imagine how tall wasteland elder would

(us skykids r so tiny lmaooo first time i saw them i thought skykids are like 10 yos if they're humans)

[floral skiff]

Can't read

[lean kayak]

OMG SEALS AND WALRUSES

[low spindle]

So, not really a specific lore reason at to why spirits may be so tall.

But maybe sky kids are just ultra small to show how big and tall everyone looks when we are small children just coming into the world?

[civic oak]

Greetings, skykids! I was encourage by my good friend @vague edge to share my theory on resize potion. Knowing why some skykids are able to achieve a certain height while others can't. While it is said to be random, I believe skykids can easily be tall or short according to the month they enter Sky. Anyway, this is a just a theory I like to come up with for fun ^^

[halcyon hull]

Aurora isn't a child

[low spindle]

I totally didn't realize that the og post was about aurora HAHA!

But, I do think Aurora is a sort of extension of the skykids. (Granted aurora is a weird case in the lore from what I know)

Since Aurora is almost like a guiding light, it would make sense she was smaller like the skykids, to comfort them (tying back to the whole kids see the world as bigger and scarier)

And only showing her bigger form when they feel more comfortable?

[novel marten]

Through the Eyes of a Child intensifies

[sharp lichen]

It’s been measured to be around 9 foot 10 inches or almost 3 meters

[shrewd zenith]

Yes but the Elders seem to be way, wayyyy taller then normal ancestors

[half shadow]

i feel the elder’s shape can fluctuate somewhat, i mean they’re like immortal spirit gods solely accessible in a mysterious alternate plane of reality so i doubt they have a ton of biological reasoning for why they’re so large. they may have been comparable to the ancestors in the past though

[half shadow]

with Aurora I’ve also not really stressed over working out how to include her and the concert into the lore. I think it was first and foremost just a fun special experience for the collab that offered supplemental pieces of lore, a lot of it stuff we already knew like the war and the Isle but hadn’t actually seen in game. So when it comes to theorizing I kind of tend to ignore Aurora herself as a solid part of the universe that needs to be considered

[lusty merlin]

I’d like to imagine her as a story teller, not directly involved herself but is just somone who tells the story of the kingdom with her songs

I had a silly idea of this too, egg horror elders just be mindful of the warnings listed above, this is kind of more purely hc as I run with the “light can be bent and changed” idea

[austere bridge]

so i had a dumb thought again
since skybot refers to dusk's hair as a "battle-braid", this implies that dusk's hair is actually long & glorious and just tied it up for battles

[sterile orchid]

Dawn, standing at twice a sky kids height in the temple doorway during the Aurora concert, meanwhile in the elder cutscenes they're towering over like. 3 very tall sky kids on top of each other.

[lusty merlin]

RIGHHT I CAME HERE CUZ I WNATED TO TALK ABOUT THE FOREST DOOR CUTSCENE

K first off the mural itself, cuz it looks like trees merging with the temple, i outlined it in red but basically the lower ends would be the roots and the diamond pattern would be like the tree branches interlocking which is super cool

Cuz it actually confirmed the theory light was used in the production of power diamonds even before abyss and all.
Like the two yellow diamonds come from pots, that we know are filled of butterflies seen in Prairie, and when all the smaller shards are set in place turn into a whole power diamond too!

I also find it intersting the blue diamonds are in the centre of the trees, and the trunks turn sideways in the cutscene, could refrence them being cut down

While it doesn’t say power diamonds come from trees, as seen in mindful miners memory and song in aurora concert, (there’s raw darkstone everywhere) i think it does imply the deforestation and rampant use of slowly killing the forest for the sake of producing the diamonds

And seen with abyss we actually use mantas instead of butterflies for darkstone there! And i wonder if it’s because it was either faster or less taxing work to collect, productivity over morality in a sence.

Not saying the elders were bad and where like “hehe manta slaying go brr” but like there could’ve been many factors that made them push towards using mantas then butterflies

Also it’s cool the bigger diamond goes up to forests concept art mask (which is an Easter egg), could also imply forest elder gets the completed diamonds, and whatever they’re used for comes down to their decision at the end

Ik I sound like an English teacher trying to make these metaphorical connections but

I wonder if this implies different power diamonds too depending on the amount of light

Cuz like you have ones that turn yellow seen in some lighting doors with others taking a more light glowly blue too

Like the ones that are blue tend to be bigger power sources like vault elevator and forest’s door, when some take a more yellow approach

I guess it depends on what purpose it does?

[sterile orchid]

Valley is full of the blue ones, and they're really small, but maybe they all act as one big power source for each other?

[buoyant mortar]

why does it feel like sky lore is deeper than fnaf lore

[shrewd zenith]

What do you mean? Fnaf has multiple books I have to dig through

[untold notch]

it's better tho because matpat hasn't got his hands on it and twisted it

[buoyant mortar]

that's true
i think my take was bad
with fnaf, matpat kinda laid out all of the lore in his videos, whereas in sky, it's kinda scattered

[random token]

Sky lore is way more simple than fnaf. It just has more story behind it

I gave up on learning fnaf lore actually lol

[sterile orchid]

Let's not risk anyone seeing game theory mentioned and then get videos made about it , the Genshin theories are annoying enough

[random token]

I'd prefer the lore be player explained than a big ytber

[sterile orchid]

It would bring in more people who would be willing to search for lore but it would ALSO bring in the (comparatively) few who are like "Well matpat made a video on this topic and that means you guys are wrong!"

[untold notch]

which would be awful! it would be so awful

also it would bring in more of the latter people

[tepid veldt]

id probably mute lorechat again

[austere bridge]

that is very true
if that happened it would be similar to matpat's attack at hk lore which is disproven by a singular cutscene
like bro did he even play the dang game

[untold notch]

we'd get a huge influx of people who wouldn't know what thinking critically was if it punched them in the face and only parrot matpats wrong theories and flood the channel with their nonsense

[sterile orchid]

He would look at the realms as a whole, refuse to elaborate on what the seasons could have changed or what their stories add to the lore, and then not make any more videos about it

[untold notch]

he'd give the ancestors genders

[sterile orchid]

Also I'm talking as a fan of game theory please for the sake of lore chat don't let him know about Sky

[brisk python]

why are we on matpat again /lh

[sterile orchid]

I don't know honestly

[brisk python]

can we please not bring it back up /vlh

[sterile orchid]

I forgot mobile didn't let you add messages to sending stickers

[old moth]

I looked at the concept art, hoping to get a better grasp of the lore, and honestly some of the ideas are flat out disappointing. I know not all of them made it to the game, but it made me a little sad.

Because I love the dark parts of the story, and I love the fact that this world is a bit more complex than it initially seems

[lusty merlin]

Good thing to note concept art doesn’t mean cannon and isn’t a good place to look for lore, old storylines/ideas were changed for a reason, even I’ll admit there’s some stuff I wish made to the final game but it is what it is

And same here for the dark plants, I find it interesting that you can find them basically everywhere but vault and isle

[old moth]

The problem with getting into something ongoing is that no one can tell you all of the backstory ךםך

Especially with something that's very deliberately vague like Sky.

[austere bridge]

what if i told you there's a single cave in isle with a very small amount of dark plants

[lusty merlin]

Wait there is?

[austere bridge]

mhm. the one to the left of isle temple w/ rejecting voyager in it

[balmy spoke]

It's the one with 3 orbs, the plants only appear when you do the spirit inside too

[austere bridge]

you don't need to do the spirit for them to appear? /nm

[balmy spoke]

They appear on them i know that much

I also don't know what /nm means

[brisk python]

it means not mad :)

[tepid veldt]

tone tags are hard, dw about it

[brisk python]

im still learning them too ngl

[frigid tinsel]

Dark plants also appear in the Vault during the first Remembrance quest. Bears to see if there’ll be more tomorrow

[tepid veldt]

ooh i hope i wake up early, i wanna play that quest
who do you think we will build the shared space for? pleading’s probably going to be last but a man can dream

[brisk python]

im assuming tea brewer considering the teaset is the next gift

[shrewd zenith]

Ugh I can't wait till the new quest XD

[sharp lichen]

Mwahaha that’s where you’re wrong, there are videos! (Just poorly made and incredibly long)

Welcome to #lore-discussion-spoilers!

[delicate cargo]

Wondering about the implications of a constant heartbeat in a lot of the soundtrack. either my ears are going, my headphones are going, I'm losing my mind, or the whole map is a living entity

I legit have no idea where else to put this, so put me in my place if im wrong

[austere bridge]

there are heartbeats in some of the tracks, but i don't recall exactly why
like i think tac talked about how there's a faint heartbeat in the valley temple theme, and how it may be implied to be the valley twins' heartbeat

[sharp lichen]

There’s a heartbeat whenever you’re holding hands with another person

[delicate cargo]

Ohhhhhhhhh ok I thought I was losing it since I usually play on my phone with headphones off

[frigid tinsel]

the heartbeat is easier to hear if you have music low or off, but yea, as others have noted, you can hear the heartbeat whenever you're handholding or riding piggyback with a friend.

you also hear a heartbeat while dying in stormlock

[lusty merlin]

AUGH i guess i missed those too, forget i said anything abt isle and vault being darkness free

To me a heartbeat can mean a lot. Life, death, syncing when it comes to some music.
I’d like to imagine when holding hands, the heartbeat can mean you feel safe with the friend you are with. Thinking of those tropes where two people would hold one another and listen to each others heartbeat. And you got stormlock with the heartbeat being the last thing we really hear before dying.

Music wise In sky I personally it shows another person is there, heavy on ellipses (twins temple theme) since there’s TWO heartbeats that turn into one which I adore.

I just love how the heartbeat is used in many ways for sky

[frigid tinsel]

Tbf it used to be true that Vault was the only place without dark plants

[lusty merlin]

Yaya fair enough

[sharp lichen]

Shards cause dark plants ha

[sharp lichen]

Sky music>>>

Did you know that the isle temple, prophecy cave, Valley cutscene, Vault Summit, Season of Shattering music and Eden all share a theme?

[lusty merlin]

Actually? Like certain bits of those songs appear in the others?

[untold notch]

I love leitmotifs

[sharp lichen]

Let me pull it up

[lusty merlin]

Oo that! Ya that makes sense there would be recurring notes in the soundtrack then

[timber crown]

Random thought.
Is reliving the memories of spirits representative of there is usually only one thing you are known for after you die. Because the memories are usually just one occasion.

[sharp lichen]

Probably. The spirit memories probably highlight a defining/important thing they’ve done in their life.

[lusty merlin]

I’d like to think that but the remembrance memories don’t fit that at all then, the spirits weren’t really “known” for anything on them personally (like they didn’t stand out or where famously known for anything they were just apart of the memory and were going through their experiences)

Like what baud said they’re probably more of highlights than anything, ranging from simple things like sightseeing with your kid to just going somewhere to do yoga or something

[sharp lichen]

(Lighting the Way, Isle Temple) https://youtu.be/_E6s8hK3aZs
Beginning

(Prophecy) https://youtu.be/fTG6tn0QyHM
1:47

(Shall We Play, Valley Elder cutscene) https://youtu.be/oMLKyqYDPOw
Beginning

(Vault Summit) https://youtu.be/zpe4rbSLqjg
4:10

(Vault Elder cutscene) https://youtu.be/8ibCr8YpHgE
0:17

(Weak Shard Nearby)https://youtu.be/Du_L1oAn9po
2:30

(The Deep, second Eden theme) https://youtu.be/GWUEYgbP8ic
0:43

They all have the same-ish rising melody! I think this leitmotif represents the Elders

[lusty merlin]

Ahh okay makes sense, though if the leitmotif’s represented the elders than it would’ve made sence if the leitmotifs where in every elder cutscene or theme but it’s just isle,valley, and vault

[sharp lichen]

Wait, there’s a very slow version of it that plays in the Prairie Elder cutscene (https://youtu.be/533Wyu2crss, 0:20)

[random token]

I think something like that. Sad to think about though

[half shadow]

Yeah that’s always something I remember wondering about when I played through the original game for the first time. Some spirits kind of seem to imply their actual death in the memories but most are just snapshots of life

[brisk python]

• stares at tearful light miner *

[keen shore]

Hi did someone mention tearful light miner here

[brisk python]

you bet i did

[keen shore]

They’re the only spirit that doesn’t visibly die in their memory which is super interesting to me, I wrote a fic about how that worked and then I got super attached

[brisk python]

they dont die but all their friends do :))) then they die alone :)))))
(it hurts me every time)

[keen shore]

YEAH 💔 I like to think they got out alive, but changed a lot… fun fact, their spirit memory was what started the soup headcanons, & my headcanon is that they absorbed one of their friends lights in order to stay alive and it messed them up (it’s complicated)

[brisk python]

tearful light miner makes me Not Okay

[keen shore]

SAME

[brisk python]

i remember being a moth and reliving that memory and i was just.
<--

[keen shore]

That one specific node of their memory where they’re sitting on the ground with their friend talking to them makes me think so many thoughts and all of them are painful ones

[brisk python]

YEAH

[keen shore]

Utterly brutal, you can tell something devastating is happening there… that node stuck in my brain forever, it’s the one I wrote the fic about

[half shadow]

the fainting warrior spirit is another pretty obvious one :,)

[keen shore]

Yeahg I was going to bring them up but got distracted by lightminer

There are quite a few spirits that aren’t directly shown dying but you get the vibe it happened either right after or soon after the memory. Oddly enough, most are in Wasteland. For example, Saluting Captain’s memory happens where they’re left alone in the shipwreck, then Crab Whisperers memory is them trying to track down survivors in that same shipwreck and coming across the captains corpse

[balmy spoke]

What i have to ask is who buried all these moths at the hub locations?

I didn't catch on initially but them do be graves of said spirits.

[keen shore]

You could also argue that what we see in stealthy survivors and courageous soldiers memories did not end well for either of them. Another implied death via spirit memories (although one that took place a while after) is rejecting voyager, we have to burn away some darkness plants to relive one node of their own memory, and then in piggybacks memory we see them almost overgrown with the plants

[frigid tinsel]

Yea, Sneaky…

[keen shore]

Could be more like summoning stones than graves, we don’t know if they’re actually buried there

[brisk python]

yeah omg in piggyback's memory i was like "WHY IS ONE WITH PLANTS GROWIGN OUT OF IT"

[floral skiff]

Courageous soldier did what they did best

[balmy spoke]

I say they are graves as the scholar location or well the 2 person zone in the vault are the exact same model, they ain't summoning anything, and there is a fair few of them set out like grave stones, and they are locked behind a door.. does make you wonder

[keen shore]

Darkness plants growing out of ancestors in spirit memories is a repeated occurence, happened to one of light miners friends as well. It’s probably some sort of fatal infection/sickness they could catch

[brisk python]

i know that from light miner's, but i thought it was weird because that one spirit in piggyback's was alive and the one in light miners wasn't (iirc)
but still omg

[floral skiff]

Would that mean the mantas still stuck in darkness plants are dead too?

[keen shore]

Yeah, they are most likely graves with that point. Although, still, they don’t have to be strictly buried there, could be like when you make a symbolic grave for someone who’s been missing a long time or whose body is irrecoverable but you know they’re dead

[keen shore]

No, not really. Only living things can catch the darkness sickness, it just often kills them after. Like Light miner’s friend was probably still alive when they caught it

[frigid tinsel]

No, because when we free them by melting the plant and the manta flies away

[balmy spoke]

Perhaps that yes.
I'll coincide that mostly as i forget those do exist.

But that point i brought up that there was 3 grave markers, but if you notice, hers is missing... Ofc she can't mark herself... So that has to be considered...

[frigid tinsel]

Ancestors with darkness sickness don’t seem to die right when plants sprout. There is time before their death where the darkness conquests endeavors.

[keen shore]

Functionally, the infection probably works because darkness plants grow by feeding on light (as long as it isn’t strong enough to burn them away), hence why they give us the light they’ve eaten when burnt. Living things in Sky are full of light, so if a spore or seed gets in there… 😬

[brisk python]

is it safe to say the darkness originated in either wasteland or eden ?

[floral skiff]

watch as sacrificing yourself becomes more difficult because we have to burn darkness plants off of fallen sky kids before we can give them winged light

[half shadow]

honestly I think a likely place for darkness to have originated from is the forest

[brisk python]

also possible, didn't think of that at first lol

[frigid tinsel]

Neither. The Abyss dev Q&A said oceans are realms of darkness. Where light doesnt naturally shine, darkness grows — in the abyss of the oceans, in the caves deep underground

[keen shore]

Yeah. I’d imagine that if ancestors work like humans, it depends on where it sprouts too. Voyager would have lived a long time with the infection, probably keeping it off with regular light doses, but if it sprouts in your eye next to your brain like it does light miner’s friend, you get a lot less time

[brisk python]

ah, so it didn't have a set "origin", just kinda showed up when areas were light deficient

[keen shore]

Imo darkness is mostly the absence of light; it exists naturally just in the same way light does

[floral skiff]

It bothers me that in daylight prairie there's pots that have darkness plants growing out of them and we can't burn it

[pastel brook]

-strokes non-existent beard-

[balmy spoke]

Thats why i think when you run out of light, you become darkness it just starts growing from you...

[frigid tinsel]

Eden and Wasteland are sources of darkness not because that is where darkness naturally exists but it is where darkness has been placed – the corrupted Eden diamond and industries in Wasteland polluted the land and corrupted the native creatures. darkness seems more like an invasive species. it was moved from its natural habitat and just does what it does best – consume light

[half shadow]

I wonder if the actual infective properties of darkness always existed however

[brisk python]

i always thought the darkness was some kind of fungus
reminds me of cordyceps

[pastel brook]

huh?

Whoa...my AI mind is blown!

[frigid tinsel]

it could be darkness fulfilling a niche it happened to fit in – darkness consumes light and grows from it, ancestors had light within them, darkness had an opportunity to take their light in this sort of parasitic relationship that harmed the host

[floral skiff]

I like the flying darkness plants

[brisk python]

thanks skybot :)

[floral skiff]

How do krill fly they do not have wings

[pastel brook]

My theory is that manta's are really soft to pet.

[frigid tinsel]

how do manta's fly when mantas are aquatic creatures?

[brisk python]

CORRECT.

[floral skiff]

idk

[sharp lichen]

How do Skykids fly when they have nothing but capes

[pastel brook]

Do light creatures get cold? 🤔

[floral skiff]

I don't know

[keen shore]

I personally perceive life and light as practically synonymous, which raises some very interesting questions about darkness plants… are they alive? Are they infected and corrupted light plants in the same way krill are? I would assume the second, but then what did they look like originally? So many questions

[balmy spoke]

I'd say infected, white crabs are uninffected, they just vibing, then theres the polluted ones at ship wreck, then what ever the red shard ones are, they are perhaps not themselves anymore

Though actually, i do wonder, the darkness plants that are in paiery but unburnable, i wonder if they were smuggled, doesn't really seem to be an indication of how else darkness got there, other than inside of pot is dark, which is countered that no other pots have darkness growing from them and, sealed pots have butterflies.

Pots used to transport stuff, memory cubes too, perhaps darkness too could be transported this way, a weapon or foolishness..

[frigid tinsel]

sealed pots have butterflies, protecting them, in a way. unsealed pots could let the darkness creep in and feast on them

[balmy spoke]

A lot of pots do though have darkness around them, though not from them..

[frigid tinsel]

I'm saying the darkness couldn't have come from the pots, it just got into the pots

[balmy spoke]

Then why isn't that asset reused more often?
If you wanted to show off that vibe more.. I'd say because it's shown off less, those ones had darkness already within them

[frigid tinsel]

to be frank, it could be the devs straight-up forgot about it. there's a lot of underutilized and misplaced assets just hanging around.

[balmy spoke]

That too is possible.
but its a dank water way cave, in a grass land location, smuggling is what i think initially

[frigid tinsel]

or it could be just how the devs didn't want to continue telling the clues they did. Sky is big on environmental storytelling – the darkness sprouting from pots, especially after we've seen butterflies transported in pots, portends a dreadful fate not just for the butterflies in those specific pots but for all the butterflies that were packed in every pot. their lights went out one way or another

[balmy spoke]

So you don't think darkness can be transported in pots?

[rich isle]

[frigid tinsel]

it's feasible, but I don't believe the bioterrorism you're suggesting actually happened

we know darkness can be moved by the wind – darkness flakes blow around Eden in a flurry, the whole Wind Paths went dark when the wind path to the Forgotten Ark opened. darkness likely doesn't need to be moved by ancestors because it easily transmissable

and because it is so easily transmissable, perhaps it would be unwise to use it as a weapon – it could easily blow back to your own forces

[balmy spoke]

That doesn't stop army's

[keen shore]

I would prefer to believe the average ancestor is smart enough to at least test this or think about it briefly before trying it out in battle

[sharp lichen]

We do see armies- but they don't even think of transporting darkness. Imagine the collateral damage it could cause

[balmy spoke]

Yes, we could be living in that very world

[keen shore]

If it were the case, I’d think we’d see a lot more evidence of it than we currently do; especially in Wasteland, where these battles would have taken place. Wasteland would also be the epicenter of the darkness, rather than Eden

[halcyon hull]

I think it's just the most memorable moments
Like some spirits didn't noticed they died and some did

[balmy spoke]

In the aroura concert, we do see shards (darkness) coming down on the battlefield..

[frigid tinsel]

that more likely resembles cyan light

I will note that there are other means of using darkness as a weapon but not for the widespread bioterrorism you're thinking, rather for individual targets. poison someone's food or drink with dark water, tip your blade with dark water so an infection can set in after you pierce them

[balmy spoke]

Krill.. perhaps.. one day we'll know how they're made.. one day...

[rich isle]

New to lore here, but from what I read/heard, darkstone is used as power sources that are used by harnessing/stealing light from light creatures. Would darkness be a byproduct of the use of this darkstone? Or has it always been an element in nature ? (Dark plants and the darkstone themselves being found as ores as crystalline rocks)

[brisk python]

or in the case of the little prince's one spirit, just drink that stuff right up

[frigid tinsel]

we don't have a clear canon answer for this, but I think darkness has always been an element in nature as carbon dioxide has always been a gas in our atmosphere. industry, whether that be power diamond manufacturing or burning coal and fossil fuels, dramatically increased the amount present in the world to an unnatural state that disrupts the ecosystem as it had been functioning before. the Wasteland was not always a wasteland but now it is.

[balmy spoke]

Mhm, perhaps that too, darkness can be a tool as much as light.. theres just some problems with this tool..

At least, suppose a world of darkness would have the inverse, light being the problematic tool..

[frigid tinsel]

Hollow Knight

[sharp lichen]

Season of Abyss

[frigid tinsel]

Season of Abyss did show that light can hurt darkness, like when we freed the spirit manta causing the leviathan to spit out everything it had swallowed. our flames can melt darkness too. dark creatures are only ever found in areas without direct sunlight, like in caves, the overcast Wasteland, or deep underwater. so light can hurt darkness if in great enough quantities

[rich isle]

Hmm I suppose there is no way to eradicate darkness as it takes many forms, be it pollution, disease or dark emotions of the ancestors etc.

[balmy spoke]

Or well, just the depths of the ocean.

[frigid tinsel]

I don’t think the point is to eradicate darkness, just stop making it, try to generate enough light to offset the imbalance

[uncut pond]

Disease might be just a byproduct/symptom of darkness and "dark emotions" (whatever that means) might not be related at all

[balmy spoke]

Sanctuary though, that has decently sized light life.

That being said i want to add to my point of transporting darkness, the gyser, apart from gamefacation of it itself, the surroundings have darkness.. there are 3 golden containers and a boat, the only other locations darkness is on sanctuary are caves..

Though The people may not have used Pots to carry darkness like you've said, but they may produce it as they themselves are well, basically man made caves..

Lots of pots and darkness right next to each other... Not when butterflies are around, they keep the darkness away

What I'm basically learning is that they unlocked ceramics on their tech tree and immediately caused an extinction event...

[sharp lichen]

Which has more darkness: the OCEAN or 500 pots?

[balmy spoke]

Assuming the ocean, but 500 pots can wreck a scenic location, the ocean not so much

Hence why beaches don't just have darkness flowing onto it

[untold notch]

worth noting that the magical elements kinda mess with traditional technological trajectories

[untold notch]

the ocean is pretty big I think

[keen shore]

Which has more darkness: the OCEAN or alasdairs cruel and unyielding heart as he puts 10 skykids into the violence pit at once

[balmy spoke]

Maybe they tried to lock up light creatures to see if that in the long term would prevent darkness from entering, say their temples, as temples are "caves" in a traditional sense, 4 walls and a door, i can certainly say it didn't work entirely to their liking.

In the vault you see them using moving light sources to maintain the memory storage location.

So they where sufficiently competent to deal with darkness in closed off locations

[frigid tinsel]

Oi, only one skid has been forced into the violence pit

[keen shore]

with your help we can change this

[balmy spoke]

I've donated. It's a good cause.

[keen shore]

Thank you for your donation Sirlyon

[brisk python]

10 skykids enter only 1 skykid leaves

[balmy spoke]

The sky games

[brisk python]

place your bets now!