lore-discussion-spoilers

[snow cosmos]

reminder/lost memories i think
funny juxtaposition of words

[keen shore]

ah! That would make sense

[short owl]

The first song goes into how Megabird was these things that were destroyed (ice that melts, tree that falls). Runaway kinda sounds like someone desperate. Other than queendom come, a lot of these sound like sad ones

[quick jasper]

i think that’s more about the world of sky dying before? idunno

[frigid tinsel]

actually it was @rigid mural who had the idea that winged light manifests whenever a skykid feels a strong emotion or has a poignant experience. I've sorta been dabbling in that idea myself, but I primarily hold the desire path theory. I think winged light appear where many skykids have passed. this could become more likely when multiple skykids experience something poignant in the same area, which some places can inspire like on the rock leading to Isle Elder's temple

[untold notch]

is this egg theory

[keen shore]

OHHH SORRY FOR THE CONFUSION FOR SOME REASON I THOUGHT THEY WERE THE SAME IDEA INSTEAD OF TWO SEPARATE ONES 💔

[frigid tinsel]

prob cos we bantered off each other when discussing winged light

[untold notch]

i need to read the egg by andy weir still actually

[snow cosmos]

i can link you to a really good video reading of it if you want

[keen shore]

I don’t know how I think WL work yet. The name lost memories is a clue, but what are they the lost memories of? why are they child shaped and why do they make us stronger

[frigid tinsel]

though thinking of the "lost memories" quip – I still think it refers to spirit memories, however it could also be winged light if winged light maintains some inkling of memory from the event that caused it to manifest. for instance, in my ficverse, that winged light perched on the ruined boat after the isle intro cave gives newborn moths the instinct of flight, hence how they're able to fly but not a guarantee they;ll be good at it.

[untold notch]

i think to me there's a theme of carrying [the memories of] others with you on the skykid's journey mostly about spirits and elders but this could be a more direct extension of that

[halcyon abyss]

Nice to know someone else has those ideas too, about the WL. Thank you for sharing! I considered the idea of the WL being an important moment in their life that may have been the end of that sky Kids journey for whatever reason.

[untold notch]

this makes the one on top of the first cave sweet because it could be like "woo i made it up here" strong memory becomes winged light

[snow cosmos]

been toying with the idea that our first run through the game isn't actually our skykid's first life/incarnation and wl could be our own lost memories but i haven't put too much thought into shoring that up into a solid headcanon

[keen shore]

I get thinking it refers to spirit memories, but given that it’s stated as we see WL for the first time and the actual wording is “seek lost memories to gather winged light,” I think it’s safe to say that the kid shape itself is the lost memory

[untold notch]

for what its worth we do lose all our winged light when we rebirth so that could qualify them as lost but im still not sure why they're memories

[halcyon abyss]

I only think they're memories because we see one in the Running Wayfarer. I suggest it being a memory of importance because the sky kid in the memory helped them take to the sky.

[vernal iris]

I've heard of concept arts where the elders were named, but I've never seen them, where can they be found?

[keen shore]

Elder Names by Alasdair#8513

The Elders (plus the king & prince) have names based off Hebrew letters from concept development that are no longer canon, though the fandom sometimes refers to them as such:
Isle – Daleth (ד)
Prairie – Ayin (ע)
Forest – Teth (ט)
Valley – Samekh (ס) (they share a name, though the fandom refers to as Sah and as Mekh)
Wasteland – Tsadi (צ)
Vault – Lamed (ל)
Prince – Alef (א)
King – Resh (ר)

Though it seems the devs refer to the Elders by the times of day their realms represent:
Isle – Dawn
Prairie – Day
Forest – Rain
Valley – Sunset
Wasteland – Dusk
Vault – Night
Eden – Storm

[sage isle]

so, are we a descendant of the prince or are we butterflies turned into sky kids by the queen, herself, Aurora since the light was fading and we were flying to her (sounds dumb but I wanna know)

[uneven jacinth]

Ooo hebrew

[short owl]

And if you hear Megabird called Megan, know that one just orriginated from a typo

[idle heron]

This is the most interesting lore I’ve ever read 😭

[untold notch]

I cannot read any of that but it looks like concept art

[idle heron]

Zoom in it’s barely readable but it’s a cool timeline

[dense fractal]

Hi chat! been having trouble looking so im asking here ehe. Does anyone have links to the wasteland concept art? Any content helps!

[ivory grove]

not so confident about this theory, but im sure anyone could of thought about this.
i feel as if my theory could be as applicable as it can be, so i hope you guys kind of understand what im trying to say hehe.

these collectable, kind of motionless, but powerful energy know as the wingles (winged lights) are all scattered or placed purposefully (i think it is) in each realms including the sub level/areas. they are important (we all know it.) for buffing purposes or an additional level indication of, well, buffs. a kingdom will always have a ruler above everything. anyone can say the elders we have in each realm are the rulers, but i theorize that besides having six elders, there is one specific realm that once had but now demised matriarch. this is the connection, the wingles that we’re collecting are the left traces/marks of ||the king|| before what ever happened. it kind of makes sense to me that these wingles seems to portray interest, wonder, interaction and growth as we further into the kingdom with each realms. spoiler: i wanted to touch upon the lore in season of prophecy. the season is ||based interaction with trials of different elements that are present in the kingdom. why was it now so important to have conductivity with trials? the only main purpose of trials is to challenge individuals to seek sustainability without having any doubts, harm, etc. this leads to this believing that who ever can make/finish to the end without a scratch is the chosen or best fit to rule the kingdom. should would know why they needed a ruler, perhaps. but if u havent noticed, there is 1 wingle in each of the trial. ||and there would be even more wingles furthering into the kingdom after. seems kind of lost here, but to summarize, in my theoretical sense, the wingles are ||the king.|| EDEN SPOILERS: ||even the corridor before entering the storm had wingles that were instead of standing, sitting. this can be the last mark of the chosen (king) in the phase of settlement. eden, for me, will always resemble a tarnished castle, even after flying before heading into orbit. ||thats it, i have nothing else to say!

[old sentinel]

Is there maintenance going on in the office?

Is the ||office|| under maintenance?

[idle heron]

Tomzhao.com has loads of amazing concept art of sky

[patent elk]

Does anyone know how the quest in Lightseekers happened?

[eternal totem]

Not sure what you mean exactly, Lightseekers had no quest line, it only added the light catching quest to the daily quest rotation. Guide quest lines began with Enchantment (5th season)

[patent elk]

Ok thanks!

[opaque arch]

why they love aurora so much? lol

[steep current]

Hi everyone! random question that my friend and I were discussing, but are there any theories as to why mantas were being captured? It seemed kinda at random. Before the spirits were partying it out with the jellyfish and next theyre capturing mantas

[tulip salmon]

The kingdom have technology advancement with a kind of power stone, but it require light to work. The bigger the stone, the more energy it needed. The people used to harvest light farm (ex: laughing spirit from prairie) but then they start to hunt light creature for more energy.

Or if you ask about the concert show then it possibly been hunted for racing purpose

[halcyon abyss]

This is a wonderful concept! We were just talking about how WL might be monumental moments and important memories due to their location

[round parrot]

You can also notice mantas coming out of the walls in the post Forest Elder cutscene

[tulip salmon]

m a n t a j u i c e r

[round parrot]

to add on, Forest Temple is considered a diamond factory

[round parrot]

the poor mantas 😔 💔

[steep current]

wait so then all the creatures behind the temple have their light taken?

[round parrot]

Well, about to, but seeing the status of the realm... who knows how long the mantas have been waiting for freedom..?

[tulip salmon]

I've just discover that those star waterfall in vault charge your wing. And i have played for more than 1 year lol

[round parrot]

Wait WHAT.

[steep current]

lol I've been playing since sanct and didnt know either 🫠

[tulip salmon]

Yeah i suddenly found this 10 minutes ago, feeling like manually climb the stone stairs and discover that this place does have star water lol

Vault is even weirder at this point

[round parrot]

Purple light shenanigans 🎉

[tulip salmon]

i didn't even know vault has snow, i thought that was sand

[round parrot]

I think it changed after the update

[untold notch]

it is now tsadi tuesday

[round parrot]

TSADI TUESDAYYY

Btw does anyone have a clear image of Daleth? I wanna give them a santa hat for Daleth December 🧡

[grim python]

pretty sure this was added like last update because I remember screwing around with those a while ago while taking screenshots and they didn’t charge my wing or anything

[river crystal]

does anyone have concept art for the timeline/era of spirits? like how the abyss spirits would have happen after the shattering of the eden

[sharp lichen]

Timelines regarding seasons is mysterious info

[river crystal]

it’s just that i had seen someone drawn one but that was months ago, i was hoping they would see this

[sharp lichen]

@river crystal try this?

[sharp knoll]

Hello I have a peculiar request..
Can someone tell me if any spirit (seasonal and non) is interested in physics or math related subjects?

[rigid iron]

I know sparkler parent and thoughtful director have had hints about loving math but the TS hints may or may not be canon

Also! I hope everyone's having an amazing Tsadi Tuesday

[sudden smelt]

Wait wait wait what are star waterfall in vault? I didn’t kno there are waterfalls in vault?

[sharp lichen]

ME, I love math!

(I suppose Talented Builder and Slumbering Shipwright? Architecture involved that sort of stuff. For more esoteric science stuff, maybe the magic-related spirits like the Enchantment and Prophecy spirits.)

[sharp lichen]

I think in the 4th floor of Vault

[sharp knoll]

Thank youuu!

[sharp lichen]

War involves quite a lot of strategy, so you could look to Wasteland. And of course the Vault spirits (not including season of the little prince) are the smartest

[olive yarrow]

Soo, we have the warmongering commanders giving orders and being safe in vault, while the soldiers are being annihilated by the darkness

[keen shore]

Where did you get that from?

[olive yarrow]

I just kinda theorize based on the things i saw on the concert lmao

(Forget about the part where i say "warmongering")

[untold notch]

me hi

[keen shore]

didn’t see anyone mention them yet but probably geographer as well! I think they have some protractors lying around on their island

[sudden smelt]

Like the vault summit?

[keen shore]

No, where you first see cosmic mantas

[fading pilot]

The summit is the 6th floor, the fourth floor is a biggest floor it's the one where the cosmantas first appear.

[sudden smelt]

Where’s the waterfall then? Exact location?

[fading pilot]

Here are some screenshots

For context I'm standing on the community light island in the second picture

[frigid tinsel]

the watefall was added with the social light update

[sudden smelt]

Ahh ic. No wonder I haven’t seen that before

[boreal nebula]

I have a theory extending from my goggles observation that Backflip passed to WarrLo

On the murals from Warrior of Love quest so far I can see 4 figures which mighg have been mantallians (manta-racers)

Besides those 4, there is a 5th one, which has no particular silhouette, compared to the forementioned

[rain pond]

i have decided that from now on i'll see Alef-Resh as this figure (ignore the head underneath im working on some art )

[boreal nebula]

It's a tiny figure, but I don't think that's a sky kid, cause it seems to ride the mantas like the other 4 bulky figures

I thought that those 4 could be wearing the same shoulder pads as any of the warriors/soldiers like figure in Sky, and that headress could be a sign of the mask that usually soldiers wear in GW

So the 5th one could be Warrior Of Love themselves, and thus raise a question: who are the 4 mantallians?

Slim is Warrior of Love, ok, meaning that we know only 3 racers, Backflip, Red Cape and Manta Call Whisperer

Since these 3 spirits don't look all like bulky figures, it could be that, despite their different size, any kind of soldiers, slim or tough, could enroll as racer, and that's not for granted the 4th must be a bulky one (pretty much like the aformentioned whisperer)

My idea is that the only other ancestor with a distinctive element to be a flying racer could be Lively Navigator, from SoFlight, which indeed has already the goggles on them. And they aree supposed to be expert at flying in order to be able to direct all the boat drivers as we saw in their memory!

[keen shore]

Bowing Medalist, Peeking Postman

[austere bridge]

peek swag 💪
they were def the sky equivalent of a paper boy who tosses newspapers from a bicycle (except they have a manta)

[boreal nebula]

My favorite is Lively Navigator, as mentioned, but in case either Bowing Medalist or Peeking Postman was a mantallian, then guess I guess Lively Navigator could also be a perfect candidate as the sport speaker (I hope I chose the fitting words, the kind of guy who describes a race to the spectator), making a lively commentaries with detailed technical terms

[lean kayak]

So I'm in gw with my friend and i decided to get on top of the big statue on top of the temple and there's a big cannon looking thing and i noticed that the pipes all around gw go into this thing I'm guessing the pipes fed the light from the creatures to these turrets to power them up

[ashen gale]

belatedly yeah the procession appears to be that light is needed for society for myriad things and at some point the need became significantly greater than what was naturally available
either because less light existed than before, or because people were using too much

you can see mantas being used as part of more elaborate machines more explicitly in the abyss area in the larger ships

[pastel brook]

what do YOU think?

[sharp lichen]

What do WE think of you?

[lucid egret]

I wonder… Aurora is clearly here, given she talks, but what if the concert took all her power. Expending all the energy to bring us into her personal world and transform us into various creatures, eventually turning into a huge version of herself at the end of Through the Eyes of a Child through to Queendom. She may not have enough energy left to fully manifest, but she wanted to thank us for coming, for understanding what she had to show us
don’t mind the recording mark lol

[compact shale]

Oh, that's a nice observation! I have an AURORA theory that the spirits were the ones who spent their lifetimes making AURORA's light stronger so She could manifest and do all those things She did in the concert!

[old fulcrum]

what if aurora is a messenger like an angel of sorts preparing us for what is to come? maybe she was sent down to us from whoever sent us here

also have we figured out who sent us here?

i am very behind

[frigid tinsel]

Aurora seems more of a messenger of the past, not the future

[old fulcrum]

True

also she could be the very thing that created life as seen in the first memory (song).
also what if she was created with a twin of equal power but with a darker force? since it seems that dark plants have infested the realm of sky since the beginning as seen in the first memory (song)

||as i said im very behind on lore so i dont know whats happening or conclusions you guys have come up with||

[fickle snow]

true, like, prophets/monks, and, also their "deadtimes!" cause, if you see, their memories are also for transmissing aurora's message, therefor, makking person quote unquote "beileve" in her, giving her enough power for the concert

[old fulcrum]

I was today years old when i realized that the Isle mask looks like a boat...
and its been on my face since my moth days

[fickle snow]

😮

[fair lotus]

…I also did not pick up on that until just now.

[spring python]

Prairie Elder’s looks like the butterflies jar as well. Also, Forest Elder’s is shaped like a diamond, like the one they fix on their cutscene

[old fulcrum]

Prairie's is a Jar
and Forest's is the diamond thingy that powers everything

[rotund bay]

I found this mural in the hidden forest (is this lore or just a random mural?)

[fickle snow]

gw its like a kind of warrior-ish mask, and vault its like an inscription or smt

[compact shale]

Yeah, my idea is something like that!

[old fulcrum]

ye i think the wasteland mask is the whales face like the shattering memory
and the vault? idk

[fickle snow]

vault its like a kind of book-ish thingy

so to resume, it is like each elder's mask represents the "most important" of their respective realm

[old fulcrum]

Isle: boats
Prairie: butterfly jars
Forest: power source
Valley: competition
Wasteland: (whales maybe) protection
Vault: knowledge ||lol||

[untold notch]

we still don't have the other two Aurora spirit cards

also what's the valley mask

[old fulcrum]

Spirit cards?

Boat girl said the masks from valley represent a different race
1 is flight race
2 is slide race

I might’ve mixed the masks idk I have to figure out which race they belong to

[untold notch]

it's interesting because valley is the only realm where the masks don't match the elders (I think)

[fickle snow]

maybe bc of this theory that they were one elder, but then they splited up in the twins, therefor, none of them have the mask, cause maybe it splited with them, like, it broke in a half

[old fulcrum]

Makes you wonder what they actually looked like…

Also what if they broke their mask in a race since valley seems to be the main realm for entertainment like seasons

[fickle snow]

at the start of their cutscene, you can see they appear like overlaped, and they hairstyle complements with eachother, maybe that is how they used to look when they were wone, and yes, maybe it happened like waht happened during theyr cutscene, that they send our flame to the nasa XD

[halcyon abyss]

My husband had a theory with the concert and finally, today, after many a times going through the concert I understand it. After his first time, he brought up the idea of a world above and below the clouds and now I get it. GW is the land below the clouds that was left to rot.

It only clicked because I realized why it's always snowing in Triumph(as a theorymy edit was to correct the wrong name for valley I used). That the land is so atmospherically high it can't NOT snow.

I wonder if the first group of travelers we see at the beginning of the concert were the first spirits to traverse this far on their planet. Sand is already taking over Isle, so perhaps they traveled such a long distance from an already decaying world and found the land of Sky with the help of the sky kid on the precipice. They had no where else to go except to the sky.

[earnest briar]

It's actually snow I think not sand. Way too white and not shiny like the sand in present Isle.

[keen shore]

Yes! The full runthrough

Isle - boat
Prairie - pot
Forest - darkstone diamond
Valley - simple athletic masks, don’t resemble anything
Wasteland - whale
Vault - scholar headdress, could be based off the shape of memory lanterns as well

[halcyon abyss]

It might be a mix. I'm still a little unsure on my beliefs of snow or sand. Mostly because they're not bundled up like they traveled in snow. So I think they traveled over dead land, which has now spread to Dawn.

Or maybe it is snow, where the glaciers were before they melted. Much to ponder. Oop. Looks like I gotta watch again. Oh darn

[sudden smelt]

I’m p sure it’s snow bc of the crunch when you step on it. As Canadian I can testify that’s exactly what it sounds like

[compact shale]

I once thought the Valley snow was sand and the ice was glass

[halcyon abyss]

But there isn't any crunch on Isle of Dawn in the concert 🥲

(And I too, enjoy snow. Spent many a time in Japan for snowboarding )

[fickle snow]

that is the other thing, they have ICE, and literal ICE RINKS, and there is a literal ICE SKATER, so :/

and atleast in the village of dreams there is (i think) the animation of snow, and, there is a literal YET so :/

[halcyon abyss]

Wait. I think we're discussing two different things, friend.

I was discussing two different theories. One about Isle of Dawn and the other about Valley of Triumph

[fickle snow]

oh i got lost XD 🥲 sorry

[sudden smelt]

I’m talking about valley not isle

[halcyon abyss]

I've been talking about Isle of Dawn with the encroaching sand with the travelers and I believe there may have been some confusing that some thought I was referring to Valley.

[sudden smelt]

Welp I’m dumb

[halcyon abyss]

Oh, no no.

Text can be easy to get mixed up. What I said may have been confusing.

[sharp lichen]

NO IT CANT BE

WAIT ITS ACTUALLY TRUE

[untold notch]

it really can be idk what to tell you

lmao?

[keen shore]

Valley mask is most likely analogous to maskless or just a basic athletic mask. Unlike the others, we don’t really get a replica of it from a spirit, the closest is proud victor who is maskless

[spring python]

Their powers are stored in the hair instead

[fickle snow]

maybe not hair but their mask

[young ocean]

Weird thing is wasteland, eden, and prairies island thingy all have whales. Idk if they are like gods for the wild animals or not but uh yk 💃🕺🏻 not just wasteland

[keen shore]

So another connected fun fact is that each elder has a specific creature that their hair & sometimes general theme is based off of. For example, Dawn (Isle) guides birds & their beard is based off a bird’s folded wings. Dusk’s (wasteland) is the whale (& krill which is also important in a devastating way but I can get into that later).

The one time where we interact with a whale & it actually does something other than just flying away is in Orbit, where it destroys something so we can fly through. Maybe whales have associations with protectors which is why Dusk’s mask has one

[young ocean]

Their masks for sure not maskless cause if you look at them they have a weird horn looking thing on the top. Ive only seen it on the male bc who isn’t looking at him 🕳👄🕳

[keen shore]

So there’s a reason I said they’re analogous to being maskless. I was referencing the masks we can get from spirits. In Sky, each realm is theorized to have a basegame (non seasonal) spirit who has a mask & personality connected to their elder. I can explain this in a bit if you’d like. The three options for Valley are Bowing Medalist, Backflipping Champion, & Proud Victor. Backflip and Medalist are both war masks based off whales in the same way as Dusk’s and Fainting Warriors, so that leaves Victor, who gives us the maskless cosmetic

[young ocean]

I dont do much lore thinking cause i aint good at connecting the dots for anything but the whales remind me of those big dragons in how to train your dragon 😭 cause one in abyss area is HUGE and has red eyes and kinda attacks us. The white one in eden like you said broke a building so we can fly through. But i dont get that. When your in orbit and hit one of the rocks circling around they actually brake. So its pointless that it helped us

[young ocean]

Okie 🕳️👄🕳️ i like reading lore theories so if your ok with it you can explain the mask stuff

[uncut pond]

Oh my god I can't believe I never noticed Dawn's beard looked like folded wings

Now that I think about it tho, I think Rain's hair kinda looks like a jellyfish sorta, and Sunset's Dora hair kinda looks like manta wings tho that might be a bit of a stretch

[untold notch]

day is a butterfly iirc and I think vaults is supposed to be an ancestor? someone said that to me once it mightve been salem

[keen shore]

it does yes! you’ve gotten them right so far!

dawn - folded bird wings
day - butterfly wings
rain - jellyfish
sunset - manta & (possibly) darkstone crystal cluster
dusk - krill
night - ancestor (like the hooded shawls ancestors have)

An interesting part is that this pattern is repeated in orbit; this is roughly the order every creature shows up as you fly upwards. It’s not perfectly exact, as they mingle a lot, but in terms of first appearances it holds true. Especially with ancestors at the end. If you carry it through, that means Eden’s connection would be skykids :3

[untold notch]

I'm so good at Videogames (remembering a single thing someone told me once)

[keen shore]

you are so right

[untold notch]

and Leon was it you who said that Eden represented the next generation in the life stages theory? I rotate that around in my mind a lot

[keen shore]

Dusk’s is krills specifically while their mask is based off a whale fun fact, making them the only one partially a dark creature,..

[keen shore]

i think that was Leon! I have placed it in my mental library also cause it’s a really cool observation, especially with how the roles have changed with us becoming the low on light and almost dead one and having to seek light when we previously brought our light to the elders before

[untold notch]

sah darkstones strongest warrior

[uncut pond]

Yes it was me! and I also believe dawn represents the exact same thing too but from the opposite perspective (in Eden you're dying, in Isle you're a newborn)

[keen shore]

Joining the anti darkstone war on the side of darkstone

[keen shore]

Unfun fact: this might be a metaphor for PTSD

[uncut pond]

I never thought about this, but it makes a lot of sense

[untold notch]

if I had a dollar for every time tsadi did not have a good thing I'd be rich

[lusty merlin]

saving this i love this so much

[vocal notch]

anyone have the time to inform me on the ingame lore or fanmade lore from start to eden? im REALLY curious...

[sharp lichen]

Ready

There needs to be a drawing of me just chucking this comprehensive document at lore moths

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

A note that this only included content that is very canon, and because Eden is a lot more speculative, it’s not as focused on.
@vocal notch

[austere bridge]

so if you’re saying that Eden’s creature is skykids, would that potentially mean that moth cosmetics are/resemble Eden elder cosmetics

[keen shore]

Yeah, good connection! I don’t know what else skykid hair would look like, honestly

[austere bridge]

also, if dusk’s hair is meant to resemble a krill, and how that could be a metaphor for PTSD, it ties into the light = memories concept in a sad, yet interesting way.
(this is venturing a bit into hc territory since I like to think that skykids shape their light to show cosmetics)

[keen shore]

Gonna explain the metaphor for PTSD part real quick just in case

Whale personality traits: protectors, guardians, defenders
Krill personaloty traits: attacking everything they perceive as a threat because they’re sick

I think that’s all I need to explain cause the metaphor is pretty obvious

[uncut pond]

Technically not a drawing but it's the best I could come up with at the moment

Tbh I wish I had that patience to keep introducing new moths to the lore like that

[fickle snow]

Lol this is the first time i read the document xd

[untold notch]

ough. my secret emotions

secret bones and secret emotions...

[fickle snow]

so, to resume, if i understand correctly (wich at this point, i doubt a lot) you are saying that, the methapor would be that dusk like kind of has both personalities?

[fair lotus]

so I just watched the concert again to look for bits of lore I missed in all the emotion the first time… and I’m noticing it appears that the soldiers are attacking creatures of light in The Seed. so was the war a war between the people of Sky and the Light? or perhaps those who supported harmony and symbiosis with the Light vs those who supported the unjust harvesting of it due to greed? could it have been a civil war of sorts, with the King leading a trained military against a smaller civilian militia or something of the like? what are you all’s thoughts?

[fickle snow]

Maybe, bc lets remember that in a psrt there is a dude with a dying manta. And it looks like he is sad for the manta, so :/

[tulip salmon]

I read this one fic that describes valley elders hairs meant to resemble their realm. for their hills and is for land

[short owl]

I still think it's due to the fact that the civilization needed way more light than the world could sustainably provide, leading to a war of two factions trying to save their people.

[austere bridge]

there were too much demand for darkstone but it had such a drain on the ecosystem that it couldn’t reasonably be sustained. two factions fighting, but neither can really win

[young stump]

Why are the elders so huge and the Sky kids so small?

[young stump]

I was wondering about this too. Where were all the spears coming from? I saw one krill but a lot of spears and a lot of dead ppl

When I first got this game in august of 2019, Apple reviewed it as potential game of the year. They said it was about the progression from childhood to death. Birth being Dawn, childhood being prairie and so on, each portal representing a different stage of life. Now the game appears to be soaked in misery and pain. Why?

[raven spindle]

Based information from concert and next season is possible civil war happened? Between spirit that hunt light creatures and onther try to protect?

[keen bear]

perhaps it is our ancestors who hunted the creatures, not us, the Skykids directly

[young stump]

This talks all about positivity and sharing and warmth but I feel like the game is now filled with a bloody violent history that has put a dark shadow over playtime. I remember learning the dropping dead/sleeping emote and how disrespectful it felt to watch a soldier die and then to mock it by doing a silly falling down and zzzzzz’s

Pls don’t get me wrong. I love this game. I play it at least twice every day because I play beta and live. I’m just so confused by all of the conflicting information that actually comes from TGC itself. Not lore speculation.

[compact shale]

Do you think TGC is getting worse at hiding the dark side of Sky? Sky's rating is supposed to be kept low so people of many ages can play so a lot of the darker parts are hidden in unspoken lore but I suppose TGC is hiding it less now

[sudden smelt]

aint this what a lotta people asking for tho? a view on sky's dark history

[sly lake]

Worse at hiding, or deliberately making the choice to show it? The game has had elements and remnants of war, pollution, greed, and sadness in it since the launch. Fantasy worlds that only have positivity and not the full range of emotions can feel artificial and fake.

Sky has dark elements, but there's always a light of hope that it continuously emphasizes. I think that's an important lesson that all ages should learn. That no matter the history, we can always strive to heal what's broken, and become better than our darker selves, both as a person and the whole of humanity.

[compact shale]

Do you think it was their intention to reveal it gradually?

Also, if they're showing both sides now, would it be better if it was more upfront in advertising?

[sly lake]

I can't say for certain, but I could see it as a deliberate intention. You don't release a story with all your cards on the table, if you want people to keep coming back. If Sky had released every single ounce of it's story at launch, I think people would play it once, maybe a few times at most, and then most would never bother to pick it up again. It's the mysteries of stories that keeps us turning the page, wanting to know more about the world and what could happen next. Since Sky is a live game with many updates, I'd feel confident in guessing that they planned to slowly elaborate on the world as time passes to keep player interest.

[compact shale]

I get that. I mean specifically, if Sky is going into its darker ages now, should TGC advertise that the game is kinda dark?

[sly lake]

Also per your second point, they have started showing more of the "darker" side of things in advertising. Such as the season trailer for shattering, the PS4 trailer showing moths dying in Eden, etcetera...

But even though there is a darkness, Sky isn't a dark game. It's just multi-faceted, and ultimately I think it strives to be a hopeful game. That even despite darkness and pain and mistakes of the past, there's always hope and companionship to find.

Also, if I remember right, Sky is tagged with "Mild horror" on the app store and has been for years now. Those Krill are scary!

[compact shale]

Ohh!

I can't help but think that at any moment Sky's rating could change to 10+ because it decided to try something real big

[sly lake]

We'll see! I think whatever happens, you can remain confident that no matter what sort of darkness is in Sky, I don't think it will ever become a "dark" game. Instead the history and the world just becomes richer, and moments of warmth and hope become more meaningful because they have the contrast of the "dark" to make them shine brighter.

[olive yarrow]

Aurora season (2022): shows war and people brutally getting killed

Sky in 2030 be like: able to see the wasteland war and participate in the past war

/j

[compact shale]

I think warcrimes would make this game a T in the ratings

[olive yarrow]

fr, but it would also feed us with tons of juicy lores

[compact shale]

I'm not sure about showing war crimes, but participating... hoo boy fhdhfshf

[olive yarrow]

Idk if we even have the Geneva convention in sky lol :v

Seeing the war live in front of our eyes is just something else

[upper prism]

I always thought the war in wasteland was fought between krills and ancestors. I got suprised when the ancestors fought against each other

[sharp lichen]

Just wait for Sky VR edition

[olive yarrow]

It can be the most beautiful experience in your life and the most traumatizing experience

[olive yarrow]

Maybe they're all just fighting to survive

[sharp lichen]

I’m convinced the reason Ancestors fight each other is the same reason why Humans fight each other

[young dune]

Oh ok, basically anything

[compact shale]

I want it for the concert
I don't want it because krills

[keen shore]

Oh was it we are one & I am two? I love that fic a lot too, and its writer! but what I mentioned is theorized, not headcanoned stuff ^^

[rigid mural]

I think that's because we play children ngl. Children get that something is bad but not how crushingly so.
That and just... that kind of dark humor could be used to cope.

Btw I think that in the recent Reddit QnA, they said darker seasons are to come, I think they genuinely want to show the heavier side of the story !

[keen shore]

I mean, every adult is dead, they’re literally ancestor spirits. We walk through the ruins of an ancient destroyed civilization on a daily basis. I’m not sure why you expected the story of its fall to be a happy one

[spring python]

If I wasn’t unwilling to leave the bed atm I’d draw my idea for a darker themed season and then drop it at the suggestions channel for it to never be looked at

Mainly because I appreciate the take on dark season as in, dark creatures cosmetics, but I also kinda wish we had a chromatic season with dark stone and metal like stuff as the main theme. Kinda like Pokémon UsUm necrozma aesthetic

[rigid mural]

Goth TLP walked so Emo Shattering could run, what will Let season do

[spring python]

“Murder is enabled”

[compact shale]

Imagine
Concert Warrior of Love but you get captured

[spring python]

Lowkey, imagine if some people got captured and then at the end the ones that didn’t had to break their cages

[compact shale]

I am working on an AURORA fic and there's going to be a scene involving trapped mantas that will give Warrior of Love their proper dosing of angst

[slate saffron]

What special or unique ability does yall's OCs have that isn't technically a thing in-game?

[untold notch]

lmao yoink

[copper saffron]

ive probably mentioned skye here way too many times

[spring python]

Hair arm

[short owl]

This game does a good job at emphasizing "pretty" and "friendship". This makes it easy to miss the darker elements until they're right there

[keen shore]

Wasteland and Eden are right there though

[rigid mural]

Autusm 👍

[keen shore]

Misinformation, all you need to do is venture into Vault to know autism is canon

[spring python]

Autism when Autumn comes

I know none of the vault spirits are neurotypical

[rigid mural]

It's a meme

[spring python]

Oh I see, I’m stealing that

My OC’s are so boring dawg, my actual non fanmade stuff is already too edgy I had to tone it down on sky

[rigid mural]

I have one that's literally a flowershop owner and that's it, do what makes you happy first and foremost.

[round parrot]

The ability to turn an elder mask to a weapon that you learned about/ are familiar with

[keen shore]

My only Sky oc is a skykid shaped cat, do whatever

[olive yarrow]

The ability to to stare at dark creatures deep in their souls and scaring them

[compact shale]

My Sky OCs do have powers but they're mostly connected to colored lights

One of them has a more powerful grasp on green light and can create big thorns

Another one has a more powerful grasp on blue light and can create new cosmetics out of water

[olive yarrow]

Sky is pretty much like.
"This one cute friendship adventure game where you wander across desolate ruins and polluted wastelands"

[uncut pond]

One of my OCs is pretty much invisible to dark creatures when not moving
In contrast, there's another that's so annoying that krills attack them on sight without the 5 seconds wind-up (there's a long story behind this)

[round parrot]

have I heard about the 2nd OC that you mentioned?

[compact shale]

That's Lipirela! They have a low priority level when it comes to development for now, though.

[round parrot]

Ahh I see!

[austere bridge]

showing up randomly and/or conveniently for 2
b i r d for 1

[untold notch]

one of mine just doesn't have a shell and the another is like that one person in an online game that doesn't have an Ethernet cable

[austere bridge]

for b i r d, it’s just one of my oc’s that I decided to soup
I have nicknames for some of my oc’s, and for this one it’s “bird boy”. their actual name is zefyr though

[old fulcrum]

Got a theory:
As seen in the first picture there 3 out of four king statues standing. What if the fallen statue represents the king who was in the elder memory in shattering?

Also now that I look at the shattering memory it kind of looks like the king has lost his head

[round parrot]

Hihi Skysona concept dump
||I have a planned Dark Plant Skykid, who is not naturally hostile and has been stuck at GW for a long while (due to the light no longer guiding them after honking)
When this Skykid got out out GW, they decide to see other Skykids, but due to their deformities and dark plant growing on them, other Skykids ignore or leave them at most. This would later cause the Skykid to be sort of untrusting, wanting to isolate themselves more yet wanting to socialize after being alone for so long. ||

[twin escarp]

Hi, I'm new to the lore, but I want to share my theory that I was talking about with a friend this morning and I don't know if anyone already mentioned it, but I'd like to share it.

I told that the season of shattering and the season of Aurora are connected, since as we could see in the memories of shattering, it showed us the evolution of nature towards destruction and in this season it shows us in the same way in the concert. . but living it first hand and spoken (mostly sung by Aurora).

In shattering it shows us a timeline and in aurora it shows us what happens within that line, it also practically "makes them solve the kingdoms after the destruction"

And that's it, the coffee I drink had some wisdom.

[upper prism]

Why didnt the krill attack the little prince?

[uncut pond]

The french boy isn't a skykid, and therefore has no light

[round parrot]

The krill was a representation of the Snake in the books, in which the snake did not attack the prince immediately, I assume it is the same for the krill.

[sturdy wyvern]

🇫🇷🤝

[spring python]

The serious answer is that it might a parallel to when the little prince talks to a snake in the book.
The real answer is that the krill was too stunned because they just saw a white person for the first time

[earnest briar]

Would they like it if I played music for them? I’m really good at a lot of music sheets and would love to cheer them up.

[sharp lichen]

They do have parallels, thanks for pointing this out!

[rustic glen]

rare colored lil prince screenshot

[main ledge]

Can we post links here to other peoples content? About their theories or supposedly imbedded info they’ve found in the game files?

[short owl]

I do not believe this channel allows for data mining - you need to find info legitimately in public releases or in game (though OOBs are ok)

[main ledge]

Fair. Should it be reported when spotted? I don’t like the person who posted it and just follow them to report spoilers and leaks

[upper prism]

Are these falling stars we are being told about at the beginning of the game???

[frigid tinsel]

No, that’s cyan light

[upper prism]

So the souls of ancestors?

[keen shore]

It could theoretically be fallen stars, but is likelier to be cyan light, as falling stars are rendered differently. Take how we look when we fall from Eden for example, & also the falling star in Stargazer’s memory

[upper prism]

But why is so much of it falling down over GW

[keen shore]

Cyan light is the light Sunset (valley elder(s)) have! It controls air and wind currents. They could be using it to cause the cyclone to block off GW for example

[untold notch]

that's it you're going to the toilet realm

[rigid mural]

STOLE MY JOKE /lh

There was already a theory something from the Valley was keeping the clouds/storm/krills of the Wasteland down, so I really like that theory !

[untold notch]

victory to the swift, Mr gay

[upper prism]

A war between valley and wasteland

[rigid mural]

Days of Sky called the two realms together "Golden Valley", could be a civil war !

[upper prism]

Why did they involve mantas into it 😭 what are they gonna do anyways

[rigid mural]

They rode mantas, could be war mounts.

[upper prism]

Makes sense

[keen shore]

I think it would be a civil war even if they weren’t already the same city! They’re in the same kingdom anyways.

I have a suspicion that this isn’t depicting a typical military battle, but is more about the survivors after the war. The cyan light was used to block off golden wasteland so the krill couldn’t get to Valley and wreak havoc, but it also meant no ancestors could leave either. They were trapped there; their only way out was through Dusk’s temple and the Vault, which for whatever reason, they were unable to open.

This is why you see no distinct sides and everyone is desperately fighting each other trying to get inside, along with so many ancestors dead on the platform where the diamond is. It’s also why they’re attacking mantas since free food

[upper prism]

It was also interesting to see the mountain before the shattering

[keen shore]

A sacrifice made for the greater good to protect citizens in Valley that led to an awful fate for everyone still trapped there

[spring python]

I genuinely think that Eden was just a mountain and people only built that castle or whatever it was after the Chosen One was found out

[rigid mural]

Hmm I beg to disagree, some ancestors are way too high up even if they were sent by Cyan light, they could have been riding mantas like Warrior of Love, making the latter targets to attacks.

As for fighting eachother, Seed of Hope shows they had enough organisation to hide and heal when needed, not a crab bucket.

[keen shore]

I think seed’s memory takes place during the war itself, not the crab bucket stage. As for the high up part, you’re probably right they were riding mantas.

As I said, I’m still not entirely sure this is correct but it’s what I’m thinking right now. It’s the best explanation in my head of why they’re trying to get inside Vault and also why there’s no distinct visible sides or leaders

[halcyon abyss]

I had a though about Vault. And scholarly type. I wonder if Vault can also be seen as a lab. A place to test out how light effects certain things. Made me wonder if Vault is where the catastrophe started. Hence why everyone wanted to get there because they thought it survived, when maybe it was the first place to be lost.

[rigid mural]

But why would they fight eachother to get in the Vault if it was closed ? Teaming up would mean a hope to force the doors open

[lusty merlin]

I was thinking a large mutiny happened, many wanted to escape while others who were still loyal to protecting vault and keeping krill at bay tried to stop them, maybe it was so big that any sort of leadership fell apart

(Sky lore giving the most ambiguous info ever to work with , real)

[spring python]

Vault is so inch resting to me cause it’s a realm that’s actually a building

I think it’s interesting that there was an emphasis on the entrance to vault, and the entrance to vault being at Wasteland’s temple too

[lusty merlin]

Same! I do have a theory vault elder used to look over eden or was the og eden elder. Since of the states you can light up, plus there’s big statues in the beginning of orbit which look like scholars you would see in the vault, I feel originally that vault was an extension to eden.

Other than that it’s just pure speculation

[uncut pond]

Remember that there's a broken temple in the middle of wasteland, perhaps the current temple was built after or as the first one fell. Or maybe the first temple was abandoned after the new one was built to protect the entrance to vault

[spring python]

Methinks maybe they acted as a leader overall, or maybe leader isn’t the word, but like, an advisor with high regard.

[lusty merlin]

Oo i remember having a theory that was the valley twins original temple that got destroyed when the war began to happen, seen with the states in the entrance to the temple, and it looks extremely similar to forest’s temple layout, plus there’s gold detailing on the pillars above and gold details in wasteland social space which you only see in valley (ignoring the elder temples themselves)

[frigid tinsel]

there's also that derelict temple in battlefield

[uncut pond]

Resh divorced Tsadi because they keep using all the money to build new temples, smh Resh can't understand it's just a hobby

[lean kayak]

Wait isnt that the blue light? I thought cyan came from prairie, right before you enter the social space

[rain pond]

They could also be using it to open up some holes in the cloud layer

Maybe they created the cloud layer but thought it was too cruel to not let any light in

[keen shore]

Blue light is found in Valley in our time, yes, but the prophecy murals show Sunset getting the power of cyan light ^^

[sharp lichen]

I liken it to shards, not cyan light.

Perhaps the Eden diamond had already exploded when the Ancestors were fighting v

[keen shore]

How would “orbs of darkness” work in Sky?

[untold notch]

trying to send the fire trial worm on the string emoji but I don't remember the name and it isn't loading

[sharp lichen]

Also, there’s no evidence of Valley participating in the war and the quest itself seems to ignore Valley. The things also seem to fall like shards, and above the Concert Wasteland, we don’t see any traces of Valley.

[untold notch]

yeah because the whirlpool clouds are in the way

also the part of wasteland we go through in the concert isn't canonically connected to valley anyways so like

[halcyon abyss]

I wonder if the spirits living in the sky were still talking with the surface world or communicating somehow.

Only wonder this because there is infrastructure around the maelstrom, like the folks from the sky were able to send things into GW as a mode of continuing to influence the land below the clouds they once left behind.

[old sentinel]

Is the ||office|| under maintenance?

[sharp lichen]

But the blue things fall from the whirlpool clouds

[untold notch]

and in the Days of Sky concepts valley and wasteland are both referred to as Golden Valley which would imply they were part of the same city which would require them to be at least somewhat involved

[sharp lichen]

I know that, but Wasteland already looks heavily polluted in the memory, implying that at the time darkness was already present in the Sky world, which could make these proto-shards possible

In all honesty, there’s absolutely no way to know (without asking)

[untold notch]

my last point is why aren't they red if they're shards because color associations are such a big part of this games lore

[sharp lichen]

Blue is still heavily associated with uncharged darkness, like the krill’s light being blue or the darkness plants, or even darkstone

[uncut pond]

Darkstone is blue when- yeah Baud beat me to it

[untold notch]

fair fair

they don't exactly seem to like. Land like shards do tho

[halcyon abyss]

I wonder if Corruption was already present in the Sky before the first sky kid appeared and that is why they opened their gates for the spirits. Sky kids were the middle ground, hoping that granting the surface the power of light could save the elders and their world. Only suggest this because of the little tunnel below the first temple with corruption in it

[young dune]

Stupid Question from a lote newbie (me):

Is Aurora canon? We can see through the quests that at least the spirits are canon (I assume), since they interact with the Sky world directly nursing people, riding mantas, mining, etc. It's not the Little Prince quests, that have no impact at all in the lore an all it spirits have no interaction with the Sky world

[rain pond]

I now see Starlight Desert / TLP as a dream shared between Sky Kids that mingled with the Purple Light in Vault to create a physical area and tangible cosmetics

[young dune]

Purple Light as in the Archives daily quest light?

[turbid ridge]

Someone commented that in the wasteland memory during the concert, it looked like the adults were only attacking themselves ??? Meanwhile we always thought the darkness was the enemy. So since they said that, I’m starting to think the history of sky is too close to home. Like irl wars are just people killing themselves. And in sky maybe they killed themselves and then the darkness was simply what took over after (like when ravens / crows come to eat the roadkill)

[untold notch]

bro literally goes to Eden and ascends that's pretty canon

a surprising amount of enchantment and beyond spirits only interact within their area and season spirits tlp is not an outlier there

[uncut pond]

Debatable tbh, you gotta remember that "canon" is loosely defined and not limited to just whatever you see in a piece of media, stuff like retcons and non-canon events are pretty common and you gotta take into account the irl/meta context of the things you see

In the case of baguette boy, he could be canon, but also could not because not only does his presence not really impact anything or have any direct relation to the world of Sky itself but he's also part of a collab with a different piece of media.
Even if the Starlight Desert and it's spirits are canon, that still doesn't confirm the child and his rose are

[frigid tinsel]

While TLP is sourced from outside material, the devs have integrated TLP material into Sky’s world well. They impact the lore because they’re a part of it. For instance, the theory that the TLP spirits are caricatures of the Elders.

The same can be said for Aurora. While some things are disputable, Aurora has been involved in planning and designing the collab that reflects upon Sky’s world, so there is stuff here we can call canon too

[uncut pond]

I guess it's kinda like the "what-if" scenarios from some long-running media franchises, they might not be canon to the main story but there are pieces and bits of them that are part of the main canon or reveal stuff about it

[untold notch]

right Aurora was Heavily involved in making her season ... it's possible that the tlp person could've if they weren't like dead

I don't like dismissing crossovers as noncanon just because they're crossovers

[halcyon abyss]

I totally believe AURORA being canon to the extent that her as a person outside the game has very similar beliefs and ideals of how to view the world as the game Sky portrays on different fronts.

She's such a vocal point for things that are wrong, difficult, and confusing IRL. Sky does a magnificent job in merging real life through fantasy of the world.

[uncut pond]

Iirc the Saint-Exupéry estate does tend to keep a close eye on adaptations and crossovers of TLP, so it's not Antoine himself but it's sadly the closest one can get (tho idk if they were that involved with the Sky crossover, so if anyone has any sources or interviews or streams about the production of the SoTLP please feel free to share)

[sharp lichen]

There are four camps in this channel:

Aurora and TLP are both canon: shared by me

Aurora is noncanon, but TLP is: shared by a few people, like Alasdair and Salem

Aurora is canon , TLP is not: shared by nobody

Neither is canon: shared by people outside this chat, but not here

[untold notch]

why camps

[cobalt palm]

Office is canon: shared by portals

[sharp lichen]

What’s another word for it

[untold notch]

opinion,

[spring python]

Stances

[rigid mural]

iirc Jenova Chen chose The Little Prince because it was part of what inspired Sky too !

[distant turtle]

Really I take the Warrior of Love scene and the Seed of Hope Scene (of the concert) to be the early and late stages of the same conflict, and I consider Valley and Wasteland to be different boroughs of the same city

[spring python]

Oh I fully believe the Aurora spirits are canon, even if Aurora herself isn’t

[cobalt palm]

By the amount of ghibli fans and inspirations, I would be surprised if there wasn't ghibli themed season, if not full collab

[spring python]

Wonder what the plot line would be

[cobalt palm]

Giant spirit bathhouse

[spring python]

Me after I watch a krill and it magically becomes a sea serpent

[cobalt palm]

And it's in one of the buildings in village of dreams, where spirits ask for items, and you have to go find them around the village to bring them back to the spirits, but as a minigame like a restaurant sim

[cobalt palm]

Final quest is to clean all the darkness off a krill
It's all coming together

I did have a dream about a 2d area, Nintendo area style inside one of the village buildings where you did some 2d minigames

[uncut pond]

You forgot:
-Aurora and frenchboy themselves aren't canon but the seasonal locations and spirits are
-None of that matters because Sky doesn't actually have lore and TGC has been gaslighting us the entire time

[untold notch]

yet another valley season

[cobalt palm]

I like valley too much

[compact shale]

I'm in camp 2, but in the sense that I think a lot of the TLP stuff is just a purple light illusion

[spring python]

Eden is yet to get a proper season with a seasonal area and all

[uncut pond]

The Void of Shattering is technically in Eden

[untold notch]

is it?

[spring python]

Really? it should try blowing up again

[uncut pond]

*pointing at pnr*

[untold notch]

those are distinctly not the same place

[spring python]

It’s somewhere similar ig

[uncut pond]

The giant diamond in the middle of pnr is arguably the void of shattering and pnr is inside Eden, therefore the VoS is in Eden

[untold notch]

it's everywhere and nowhere at the same time I reckon. different planes are weird like that

[uncut pond]

Yeah... good point

Tho if there was a seasonal area physically in Eden

1)where
2)HOW

[untold notch]

I think it's more so wherever the shards are than specifically within the Eden diamond

[spring python]

I have my own ideas but then ig we’re technically getting into oc territory

[uncut pond]

The thing is that Eden is supposed to not have any spirits. The whole thing is completely devoid of any signs of life except for krills and darkness, the place is deserted
It wouldn't make any sense thematically to have a bunch of spirits there

[spring python]

My idea was a last group of “court members” (I call them that but I don’t believe Eden was really a monarchy, I just have nothing else to call the people there) who were the only ones to survive the explosion, and went to an area near Eden’s social area (still in Eden but away from the storm).
I might ramble about this but whfhdhdh it’s just some ideas so it’s not rly contributing to much

[hushed steeple]

THEORY TIME (as stated earlier today)

Lets talk about this line from the very first song in concert "Exhale Inhale"

Take from my world no more

When this happens, our scene changes from our perspective with the Light of AURORA essentially welcoming us and telling us to prepare ourselves (a theory for another day) to outside of the magical sphere coated in what I am assuming the other Spirits's Light that they gifted to AURORA to make the Concert even remotely possible

Here's the thing

the sphere is surrounded by darkness.

Who else could AURORA be speaking to in this moment but the Darkness around Her? I theorize that AURORA (who is the Goddess of Light's Vessel connecting her to the Kingdom) has had enough of the Darkness taking over and Corrupting everything She has created.

Later on, as a segway to the song "Warrior," She reminds us that we are Warriors of Light. We, the Children of Light, are Her Warriors to battle the Darkness that as plagued Her Creation, destroying the Kingdom She loved so dearly

[untold notch]

is the darkness sphere the memory bubbles for all the concert songs or something else I missed

[uncut pond]

Interesting theory, but I don't think it thematically makes sense for there to even be a Goddess of light since it's very apparent that The Light is likely supposed to be some sort of Gestalt of all light creatures, formed by the sum of a lot of different individual beings rather than being an individual itself

[hushed steeple]

umm

remember the glowy sphere that appeared after Seed of Hope?

That but much bigger

[untold notch]

the aurororb? I'm still not sure what you're talking about

[hushed steeple]

mind you, this is just a theory and something that I noticed personally

[low spindle]

Haha imagine being stuck in aurororb.

Honestly I have a question. What things in the concert aren't "canon" vs what is "canon"?

[untold notch]

yes

[halcyon abyss]

I think what they represent is canon, but their spirits are just passing through.

[low spindle]

Fair enough. Next question-

[untold notch]

tgc really likes environmental storytelling but the problem is that there's too much environmental storytelling and little concrete information

[low spindle]

I think thats just gonna have to be. Technically isnt sky's story meant to be open ended? So I suppose that just helps keep it being more open ended, if they make it unconcrete

[spring python]

Aurora being a glowing orb is actually her true form irl btw, been to her show onde can confirm that’s what she usually looks like

[hushed steeple]

thats the fun of it

so many interpretations to the point of W A R

||and i am living for it||

[untold notch]

I personally am not living for war that sounds incredibly unfun

also I just like knowing things in general

[uncut pond]

The problem is that TGC's specific style of environmental storytelling doesn't give enough concrete information*
There are other games that rely on environments too and yet they give a lot more critical information without using words

[low spindle]

I JUST REALIZED THE MANTAS POEM HINTED THAT MANTAS TRUSTED THE ANCESTORS, THEREFORE BEING CAUGHT AND USED AS FUEL

[hushed steeple]

I theorize that Grandma Spirit is better at cooking than even GORDAN RAMSEY

[spring python]

Dw I’m not the biggest fan of the storytelling method either. Don’t share that a lot cause most ppl will go “it’s intentional” like I knows it’s just not my favorite 😭 But I still like the game so

[low spindle]

I prefer it this way. Makes me feel less bad about my ideas for the lore because its meant to be open ended and up for interpretation. Perfect for a game like this in my eyes

[compact shale]

I think the full concrete lore will only come when Sky ends and they release all the lore documents

[halcyon abyss]

My husband and I discussed this so much in-depth. We noticed this too.

[sharp lichen]

That’s just the “no white people allowed” option

[sharp lichen]

Illusions are still canon

[sharp lichen]

There is a lot of information, but it’s released through really weird an unconventional means. Like people in Sky not having gender is a massive fact, but you can only know that if you know it beforehand

[compact shale]

Okay, maybe I'm in the camp with you.

I have this headcanon that some vault scholars created the illusions because they didn't like the current state of the elder rule

[winter shale]

Oooh 👀
Honestly I'm 50/50 with TLP, like the idea of starlight desert is really good
Maybe The Prince is kinda a story made up by the spirits?

Kind of like their own handmaids tale, but the prisoners of Starlight Desert (and the area) were real

[untold notch]

the fact that the prince starts looking like a spirit after the season ends and their last quest is them going through Eden and orbit... it's a little bit inch arresting

[frigid tinsel]

they killed him

[winter shale]

Sentenced to death for getting into adults personal business 😇👍

[sharp lichen]

Keep in mind the Starlight Desert canonically exists in Sky

In my mind, the Prince is as well; the themes of The Little Prince fit very well into Sky and the more technical aspects (like the planet) can be explained by Sky’s weird astronomy.

[halcyon abyss]

Ooooh. Going off my own personal theory of what Vault could represent, maybe the spirits in the skylit desert were a part of experiments done by the elders

(An idea I enjoy is that Vault was a lab of sorts for testing how light and stars interact with the natural world)

[winter shale]

I feel like TLP season is the hardest to explain lorewise lmao

[sharp lichen]

Yeah, but not impossible. The spirits and location are rooted firmly into Sky, it’s just the seasonal quests with the Rose and Prince that could be debated.

Even still, there’s a mural showing the Prince in the Starlight Desert

[winter shale]

I kind of like the theory that the spirits were kind of like, war criminals or smthing??
But then why would they have their own personal islands built if they were imprisoned

[halcyon abyss]

Especially when all his quests didn't really interact with the world like all the other seasons. His is more story telling, but I suppose one could see his story as the story of what happened to the world outside of Sky. That humans neglected the surface and allowed it to disappear when it was their friend.

[compact shale]

I think Starlight Desert is a real location, but the things in it are illusions of purple light. As for the quests, they could just be a dream, also by purple light. The only real thing in the Starlight Desert is the big lantern, and if you destroyed it, you'd see what was really underneath the illusion.

[halcyon abyss]

Could be similar to a purgatory and you reap what you sow, kind of thing?

[winter shale]

Yeah exactly!!! And these islands are all further supporting the spirits delusions!

So it's like they're forever stuck in their own minds

[halcyon abyss]

I always thought TLP really resembled the seven deadly sins.

And yes!!! That's what I felt too. Especially as adults, it's easy to forget to practice community and harmony with the world outside of yourself.

[winter shale]

I just wonder why and how they ended up there, in the desert

[scarlet wigeon]

Sorry to interrupt, but if you read the book I think it’ll help !!

But are you guys trying to see how the book fits into the whole lore of sky? Like how it would fit into sky’s story?

[sharp lichen]

Let me think about this:

Star Collector is Greed

Gloating is Pride

Beckoning King is… also Pride?

Slouching Soldier is Gluttony

Sneezing Geographer is ignorance, which really isn’t a cardinal sin

Stretching Lamplighter? That’s compliance, again not a sin

I don’t think it matches up perfectly with the cardinal sins, instead it just shows how adults have bad examples and have bad qualities in general.

@winter shale It’s important to note that the spirits have chains, so they may be imprisoned/trapped there.

[keen shore]

there is evidence of valley participating in the war!

two valley spirits (backflip & medalist) have war masks
backflip is confirmed to be a soldier through slouch’s memory
general theme of duality in Valley, especially between mantas & darkstone, which could have been exacerbated and led to the war
twirling champion, valley’s lightseeker, has a hairstyle commonly used during warfare
Sunset heavily implied to be the one who stabbed Dusk

& Last but not least,
cyan light being used to block off GW doesn’t mean Valley had to be in a war with it. It just means they didn’t want something from Wasteland getting into their realm.
Idk about you, but war or no war, I can pretty quickly list off a bunch of things that might be

[winter shale]

But why would they be imprisoned? That's what I've always wanted to understand

[keen shore]

…Did you read the second paragraph of my post? That’s why cyan light would be used, also notice the “doesn’t mean they had to be involved in the war” part

[spring python]

MURDER LETS GO

[royal coyote]

Hi guys

[scarlet wigeon]

Hello

[sharp lichen]

Many, many theories. Mine is that they were setting a bad example for the Ancestor society as a whole, so they were imprisoned

[keen shore]

they weren’t actually imprisoned, they just went to hot topic

[spring python]

Meagrees

[sharp lichen]

GW was not being “blocked off”, there were active beams of blue stuff being directed against the Ancestors

[spring python]

I like the war theory, I like the violence

[winter shale]

War! War!

[sharp lichen]

We already have war, why not peace somewhere

[keen shore]

Why didn’t they hit the ancestors then? Also the blocked off part is referencing the cyclone, do you remember flying into there and dying at all? Or the cyclone in wasteland?

[keen shore]

Everyone is dead, that means there is no more war now 😁

[winter shale]

Can't have war if there isn't people to start war with!

[untold notch]

oh no the themes

[spring python]

Wait

[spring python]

I’m sorry I’ll stop before I’m flagged down to oblivion

[winter shale]

Another thing, do you think spirits died where you find their "souls"? Or do you think their souls are trapped in like, a strong memory they hold onto?

[spring python]

I agree with the war between realms theory, also they seem to be protecting the Vault with a lot of emphasis so I wonder if this wasn’t an actual attempt at reaching Eden to stop something from happening

[winter shale]

Cause some places, like sparkler parent, show good memories that really doesn't seem like they'd die in such a place

[halcyon abyss]

I apologize for the delay, I had to find my notes!

Ruler is Anger
Narcissist is Pride
Soilder is Gluttony
Geographer could be envy.
Collector could be greed/Anger(he gets irritated at TLP when he is questioned about it and shoo him along)
Lamplighter is an exception because he is the only one who doesn't think about himself.

[keen shore]

Probably the second! You could also say that that’s where their spirits were before they petrified, although they don’t necessarily have to have died there.

[spring python]

The names “memories” are misleading but I think it’s cause they’re still there, but showing u a memory of theirs

Maybe it’s something like consciousness fetching

[winter shale]

Oh i just saw something interesting 👁
Do you think the vault actually stored ancestors memories? And why?

[fickle snow]

completely off topic, but, if you see, in vault there is a like table, like, GIANT, table, and there are 6 chairs, and one of them is like in the ground, does this has some realtion with anything?

[keen shore]

Yes!! Been thinking Vault became like the equivalent of a bomb shelter as the corruption in wasteland got worse & the diamond exploded, so maybe they were storing people’s memories in order to preserve a past that would be forgotten otherwise. or, it’s just an easier and more convenient and vivid way of storing history

[spring python]

They died in a hurry

[winter shale]

!!!!!!!!!!!!
Stored people's memories, so the next generation doesn't forget about what caused the downfall

(The next generation did not happen, skykids happened tho)

[spring python]

Me staring at my sky kid in disappointment (she doesn’t know how to use or view those stored messages and there’s nothing she can do about it, however me on the other side of the screen has too many expectations)

[keen shore]

What if she can open them but just doesn’t tell you anything

[fickle snow]

or, maybe, they like kind of "sealed" it so that nothing but ancestors could open it, like, so that light creatures couldnt steal/destroy it

edit: lol wrong response

[short owl]

I imagine a lot of them would be useless

[spring python]

That’s so her omg slay, anyways she’s gonna hear from me when we get home

[short owl]

Financial and tax records mean nothing to a skykid. So would recipies, personal documents, and work notes. Do you know how many papers are used just for delivery records? I don't, but I bet there are a lot and many of them would be stored in massive archives

[winter shale]

An ancestor finally gets the opportunity to store their final memories, the story of their kingdom
They have to think hard, this will soon be a relic of the past.
"Rebecca this one goes out to you" they tear up as they pull out their acoustic guitar, singing the most off tune, cheesiest love song ever

[short owl]

Okay that one would be highly valuable

[spring python]

Imagine being the sky kid who finds it later, only to hear an acoustic version of Ed Sheeran

What about spirit mantas then? Did mantas somehow manage to become spirits just like ancestors in Vault? I mean, there are quite a few bones in there

[winter shale]

I wonder about the spirit mantas too, maybe because they were in such a protected and almost "holy" place they were able to have this second life form? (Which is the starry Lil manta guys)

[spring python]

Maybe that’s just what mantas look like after being exposed to purple light and the bones are something else (idk if mantas have bones to begin with)

[short owl]

Imagine if it was just a little off. Not like the professional songs out there. Not like the music on the music sheets. Just... A bit off key, and with an inconsistent tempo. The singer is clearly inexperienced.

But all the skykids gather round, cause they hear It in the singer's voice. The song was written and sung with love. With hope and loss. With true emotion. Skykids who hadn't felt anything from music in years begin to cry.

A lost memory, recorded in stone, brought the past back from the unknown

[winter shale]

Oh.... oh my.....

It seems you left everyone speechless

[fickle snow]

...speechless sounds

[mossy moth]

That was beautiful

[short owl]

Sorry, didn't mean to silence everyone

[fickle snow]

spams the cry emote in sky

[winter shale]

Oh my god
What if these spirit memories we have to go around and collect, are vault memories that were lost?

[fickle snow]

true, like, with the explosion, since vault is so near of eden, there mioght have een somethings that falled

[halcyon abyss]

That's a great idea! The whole thing is us going around to "help spirits find their way" so lost is a beautiful way to put that

[round parrot]

Aww that's sweet
Since their design has an instrument (the harp specifically), perhaps they can play with you?

[earnest briar]

I would love to. Duets are fun, and I'd be happy to teach them how to play some of my favorites.

[lucid egret]

That. That’s absolutely beautiful. I think I’m getting emotional over text

[fickle snow]

aahhhhhh crys till eden explodes the whole sku

[opaque arch]

lol

[keen shore]

Forgot to mention it earlier but also a good chunk of the valley spirits are wearing straight up armor, as well as the Citadel’s name [citadels are an inner part of a city with strong defenses so that it’s harder to take them during war]

Especially with Wasteland right there, I think the shadow of war on Valley is pretty obvious.

[halcyon abyss]

OOOH! What if the spirits of Valley were unknowingly helping supply mounts for the war?

Like the races from the view point of the warrior of Love is showing them building a relationship with the manta and befriending it. But in AURORA's version they're capturing the mantas. So what if not everyone was aware what learning to ride the mantas was about???

(forgot to add that there could be a split, those who were aware what it was, and those who weren't)

[frigid tinsel]

seems that ancestors treated mantas like we do horses – sometimes they carry us around for transport, sometimes for fun races, and eventually repurposed for war

[young stump]

From the promo, I literally did not understand that the Sky kingdom had fallen
I’m not clever so I couldn’t understand anything from all the poetry interspersed in various places
Every time I get one of those surveys that asks me if I understand what’s happening, the storyline, my answer is always no
And I’ve been playing for 3 years on a daily basis, beta and Live
And worse, I’m 57!
I’m just dense

[fickle snow]

and maybe not related, but the twin's bats (or whatever those things are) look a bit like swords

[frigid tinsel]

in Orbit, they look like they had swords

[fickle snow]

i havent unlocked them, but yes

and during their cutscene, they have a quite belic behavior with each other

[sharp lichen]

It’s fine, you’re not dense, if anything Sky is a game that rarely reveals its secrets

[frigid tinsel]

tbf all the NPCs are dead (spirits) or dubiously alive (Elders)

[fickle snow]

why it doesnt allows me to write i think

edit_ it allowed me 😄

[keen shore]

there are ruins and dead people everywhere, I think the fallen civilization bit is easy enough to figure out

[rigid mural]

To be fair we do need to dig in news articles, streams and this very server to get details, but I think the game makes it pretty clear that you explore the ruins of a fallen civilisation while rescuing ancestor spirits; you can see it being straight up said in the introduction to the game:

We connected the seven realms with the power of starlight.
But then the sky went dark, and our Kingdom shattered.
Many of us are still trapped in these realms.

Please, Child… Bring your light to our fallen spirits.```

[fickle snow]

a question, what is that "orb" or "plant" that its inside the anestor's spirits

[keen shore]

Their spirit core! You can see it glowing blue like a star when you call them down for instance

[fickle snow]

ohhhhh, like our kind of hearth that says in the lore moths article, but of an ancestor, and corrupted

[keen shore]

yes!

[young stump]

I can understand it now, only because I’ve been playing so long and because you singled out that paragraph
There was so much focus on how warm, beautiful and friendly the game was that I missed everything else

[olive yarrow]

We can literally buy armored masks and firework sticks from wasteland

[keen shore]

Yeah! We were talking about armor in Valley mostly here, but thr armored masks observation still works for Valley because 2 spirits from there have armored masks as well ^^

[rigid mural]

oh salem you've never seen the valley spirits with helmets from Light Awaits ?

[keen shore]

i have NOT show me please

[wicked plover]

Can talk abt part of the season here?

||I saw mantas on top of the war on wasteland part, my first thought was they're a 3rd side fighting for themselves against the 2 sides fighting each other, but maybe, them being a war mount for each side seems likely||

[rigid mural]

I don't have them 😔
I think Dark or Krii has them but you're more likely to find them in a playthrough of Valley, when greeting the elder at the shrine.

[wicked plover]

||I actually thought they were all united against the mantas but I saw a thin spirit guy killed by a soldier spirit with a spear||

[sharp lichen]

You can talk without the spoiler bars!

It’s a civil war most likely, we see two shields of different icons.

[wicked plover]

2 shields theory, right? One fought for technology to stay and the other for manta rights ||to not be juiced off for said technology||

[sharp lichen]

Something along those lines

[keen shore]

There are some aspects of the two shield theory that still need to be explained before I consider it canon I think. Like why Dusk has one shield symbol at their altar & then another in their mural in Night’s cutscene iirc

[wicked plover]

Ah I see

Valley, GW and Eden are the biggest reasons I stayed for the lore

[halcyon abyss]

I thought about that too, then I saw two different warriors attacking the same manta. So I think you're right about 3 sides

[wicked plover]

The reason they're even there is they're supposed to be cavalry mounts for one side or the other but they turned against everyone, including their owners

Thats what happens when you cage them like display and then suddenly they're around polluted waters like in GW

Also, I noticed smth, while this can imply krills are mantas turned dark

Krills resemble crustaceans than smth like mantas and stingrays

Also, it is almost widely accepted that krills are machines of war rather than living beings or they're enhanced living beings

[keen shore]

nah, krills are confirmed corrupted light creatures

[wicked plover]

Wait, I remember seeing a light creature with lots of segments like krills, it is

Elder mantas

[keen shore]

Are you talking about the creature in the second to last floor of Vault or the one in Sanctuary?

[wicked plover]

Sanctuary

[keen shore]

yeah, that’s the elder manta!

[wicked plover]

I came back just for the concert, I enjoyed it all, especially the GW and Eden parts

So, cleared up the mantas' involvement in that battle, next thing Im confused abt is where the explosions come from, could just be weather

[sharp lichen]

The mural shield has no symbol, it’s probably just a simple representations

[keen shore]

I think I mixed up the symbol and the shape of the shields, mb. For example you can see the diamond ones are a pentagonal shape like in the mural whereas the sun shields are octagons and by their altar

[sharp lichen]

Yeah, it’s not like the Wasteland Elder would use one shield

[untold notch]

dusk slamming a krill with the shield

[wicked plover]

And ending it with spear to the neck, quick and painless

[untold notch]

I'm not sure if krills really have necks I just like the imagery of the bonk

[wicked plover]

Pretty sure they do, their carapace is segmented to allow for their slithering movement

[untold notch]

i don't volunteer to be the one to fly up and check

[wicked plover]

Now Im just imagining a God of War 4 and Ragnarok with Wasteland elder and Idk, Sky kid or one of the Valley elders as "BOY"

||Even better, there's a spear and you can play as the BOY in Ragnarok||

[wicked plover]

Dw, there's google or if you search, there's a model rig of the krill showing it's carapace and body

[halcyon abyss]

I had a thought of the celebration for the caravan of ancestors who traveled Isle of dawn first. Once they're on the grassy lands and the birds fly over, I feel like they're rejoicing because they haven't seen birds in who knows how long.

[wicked plover]

The grassy isles feel nostalgic, both for our first gameplay and seeing the perspective of what Isles were back then

[halcyon abyss]

Oh man, Absolutely

[wicked plover]

Im getting nostalgia for a time all of us havent been to, grassy Isles, it looked so full of life

[halcyon abyss]

It looks as vibrant as Prairie

[round parrot]

Have you guys seen the Nintendo Switch trailer for Sky? There was a grassy isle scene in it I believe

[wicked plover]

Yes, the light creature looked squishy

[round parrot]

Silly light creatures

[wicked plover]

Idk what it's called, it looks to be bigger than mantas but obviously smaller than elder mantas

[round parrot]

Ohh
the one that looks like it has a krill eye?

[wicked plover]

The one in Sanctuary so big, so squishy

[halcyon abyss]

YO. I NEVER ACTUALLY WATCHED GHE NS trailer. WHUT A THING

[round parrot]

The one that goes around the topmost part of the island? Yeah that is an Elder manta
OHH WAIT THE ONE THAT APPEARS AT ONE OF THE QUEST CUTSCENES?????

[halcyon abyss]

The thing they were riding on absolutely looks like an ancestor of krill.

[wicked plover]

Hell yeah

[halcyon abyss]

what a trailer!! I really wonder if Isle of dawn was the beginning and end of everything. (I am aware it represents rebirth)

But to see it so green and teeming with life and caravans. Just... Woah. How cool :cCry

It really was like the edge of the world and where Sky began.

[wicked plover]

Elder crab, when 👀

[round parrot]

Elder Skykids and Elder Butterflies when
an Elder crab exists, its just that it is in the concept arts

[olive yarrow]

i made this based on people's lore

[autumn zinc]

what do mantas eat? Because they have mouths, they gotta be consuming s o m e t h i n g

[lusty merlin]

irl they do eat plankton, so it could be that, plus warrior of love feats something to a manta so it could be a light ball

[wicked plover]

Ooo a bigger and more detailed butterfly 👀

Can ride elder butterfly?

[round parrot]

I would see it as the butterfly picking YOU up (if it is bigger than a Skykid)

[wicked plover]

The biggest ones carry you alone while the ones still at the "young adult" stage still needs 2 others to carry

[round parrot]

I wonder what an Elder Skykid would look like?

[wicked plover]

Skyadults? Skydults? Goofy aaa names

[halcyon hull]

reminds me of those claw-like things

[round parrot]

Looks like a literal crab 🦀

[wicked plover]

Could be a holy site for the people that are now spirits or could be ancient crustacean creature bones

[harsh pecan]

This is so true

[olive yarrow]

They probably eat those light glitters

[harsh pecan]

Wait where is this 😭

[olive yarrow]

It's not on the game lmao

[harsh pecan]

Ik

[pastel brook]

Did you know crabs are non-flammable?

[olive yarrow]

Let's make em flammable then!

[round parrot]

Speaking of dark creatures

Why are krills' eyes round? We know that rounded parts of a creature is a connection to light (and yes, a krill's eye does emit light, but it is not nessesarily the light like the from light creatures)

Unless it is a sign of a krill's past of having light (which would be debatable)

[atomic lava]

popping in quickly to say krill having light in the past is actually not debatable ! its been confirmed that theyre corrupted light creatures /lh /gen

[round parrot]

Well, it was said that they are corrupted, but their orgins of the krill pre-corruption is debatable (at least I think so)
But thank you!!

[wicked plover]

The mantas' frequent presence in that war opens up the possibility that they turned into the krills we know through corruption and growing to the size they're in, still doubt it tho cuz crustaceans and myliobatiformes are different

[scenic siren]

The dark stones need to be lit at the same time and they are far from each other... Maybe this is the way ancestors opened door to get in their houses back then

[celest spoke]

I was watching the very beginning of the concert again, and Aurora looks more ominous on closer examination— the tree exists, her light goes to the tree, her light leaves the tree, the tree withers and dies; her light rests on the stone pillar for a while, and a dark plant grows there after she leaves; her light rides on a creature of light that expands to a manta, but when her light leaves it, it gets encrusted with darkness and crashes into the sea

[olive yarrow]

This is possible tho, they're pretty much bigger than us skykids

[compact shale]

Honestly that was the most unexpected part of the concert for me

[upper prism]

Maybe shes showing us the light cannot be at all places at the same time so she needs us?

[olive yarrow]

you guys know that space station in office right?

Well what if it was actually a weapon of mass destruction

WAIT. I HAVE AN EXPLANATION.

That thing literally shoots a laser beam to the planet, and the space station looks like it has some sort of a laser weapon, similar to that wasteland turret we see in the concept art

What if our past ancestors has mastered laser technology and space travel and use it in the war?
this could explain why the ruins in sky is just heavily destroyed
Although that can be debated by catapult and cannons

[sturdy wyvern]

Isn’t the office supposed to represent TCG’s actual office?

…wait…

[olive yarrow]

yep, but you can go to the space station through the tv

[sharp lichen]

Unfortunately, it does not seem that the Office is canonical to the Sky kingdom’s lore.

Although the Sky kingdom is advanced (look the Vault of Knowledge), it is not space-travel advanced.

[olive yarrow]

||or maybe it's the command center that operates and directs the firing of the space station laser 👀||

[olive yarrow]

True, but they do sort of kinda have laser

[sharp lichen]

The Wasteland statues could’ve also had “lasers”, we see them powered up in murals

[olive yarrow]

yep, maybe they're deactivated or dead or maybe their lasers are dismantled

[near portal]

You mean the Mario playground in wasteland? Sorry i was backreading some lore

[cobalt palm]

Yes that one but looking like the interior of a building, with minigames such as carrying things to spirits, going through mazes, and other stuff all in a 2d perspective

[near portal]

Ohhh I see. Could be fun(ny)

[near portal]

My lore idea for today is what if the krill "learned" from the war and that's why they seek and destroy light. Or maybe they're just protecting their own paradise. It's pretty nice digs for a darkness creature

[rain pond]

we should make a sky lore bible AI, train it so it knows what we know about the lore, and then have it make theories for us

at the very least it would produce some good food for thought every now and then

[compact shale]

Hmmm... you know what, me likey

[celest spoke]

What lobbed the blue fireballs into GW in concert flashback? Any explanations besides Wrath of Angy Aurora? Blue color doesn’t fit Eden; idk what/how Valley could do

[untold notch]

you'd have to be very careful about what you tell it

[rain pond]

all the confirmed stuff and some theories with very good basis probably, idk

[olive yarrow]

Maybe they think we skykids might eventually grow into adults, and possibly start another war.

But in reality we're just a thing to sacrifice lol

[near portal]

Possible, but the krill also attack the manta, so idk if we're special

[rain pond]

I think that due to the corruption (and pain [due to it?]) the krills have impaired perception and are rushing at any Light lifeform because they see Megabird in it. Megabird has been said to be an abstract amalgamation[kind of] of every living being

[keen shore]

Why would they have a shield from each side though?? throws a wrench in the whole theory tbh

[austere bridge]

1. they were originally sided with one, but dusk’s ideals changed over time
2. the side dusk was on lost, and putting the shield of the opposing faction next to dusk at their temple was a show of victory or dominance

[olive yarrow]

Manta also participate in the war tho

[spring python]

Ion think that krills have that much of a thought capacity, I love them to death but we're talking about the animals that can no longer see you the moment you hide behind a rock the size of a crab

[wicked plover]

The laser could have blown up those men who were shown to be fighting in the concert

That is assuming their laser does explosions rather than slow cutting

But those are blue fireballs, not lasers and they're coming at a distance those lasers weren't even angled at

So back to square one

[sharp lichen]

Wasteland Elder doesn’t ever use the shield with the diamond logo

[olive yarrow]

maybe they can somewhat feel it through their body tho, also they can still see things even if their vision is very small

[wicked plover]

That means he fights for light creatures from day one, nice

[spring python]

I also dont think thats the case cause as far as we know, krills seem to be attacking because they charge at any light instead. Note how a krill also attacks a manta at the start of Wasteland. I dont think it has a thought proccess or rationality behind it, I think that corrupted creatures become desperate for light as an attempt to stop their own agony

same with crabs. After charging at you, aggressive crabs will also consume the light you dropped

[soft timber]

flies in Would, theoretically speaking, there be a jungle-like area in Sky?

I thought of how rainy Forest is and then I realized that with the loads of trees still around and in that realm and the loads of water that it can also be classified as a rainforest. Though I wonder about other kinds of geography and jungle came up first.

[olive yarrow]

I don't think they eat our lights tho cuz when we dropped our winged buff it just disappears on it's own

And also, maybe they are corrupted creatures tho

[olive yarrow]

Hidden forest:

[spring python]

they do eat it, it disappears on its own as well, but if a crab is near theyll actually get it themselves

[olive yarrow]

wait what
i didn't know this

[soft timber]

I forgot sorry

[halcyon abyss]

One day the night went dark and the stars disappeared.

Maybe the blue fire balls could be nature shooting stars from the heavens to try to end the war quickly.

(This is a theory based on not knowing the timeline for the war.) Since GW is below the clouds and from the switch trailer we see the stars are clearly still there when the way to the sky was open. So maybe the stars fell during the war and those are the blue explosions?

(I'm at work if I don't respond right away!! )

[wicked plover]

Dw abt it, taking your time isnt bad, this makes sense

[spring python]

its hard to spot because most of the time in Wasteland, you lose winglight near darkwater, which makes it disappear instantly, its easier to observe it when losing it near sand

[olive yarrow]

Magahd, do krills also do that?

[spring python]

nope

[olive yarrow]

man, i wonder how big of a wl do krills like to eat

[wicked plover]

Nature does have its way of wanting war to end, all the destruction just adds onto the already bad pollution

[rain pond]

chat what is the volume of a sky kid

[untold notch]

I don't think we can calculate that

[olive yarrow]

We can use aurora's voice for comparison tho

The avrage human conversation sound is around 60dB. But Aurora's voice is pretty calming and soothing.

And according to google human whisper is around 30 dB.

To me aurora's voice is more like 50 - 60dB.

With this in mind, we can somewhat compare the sound of our honk to her voice, although it's very hard because there were other thousands of people.

Thankfully, we can tell wich is our honk. And then we can kinda compare our honk.

I will use the moth honk here.

The moth honk is quite a loud one, so it kinda sits between 50 ~ 68 dB.
Slightly less than a human shouting

(These are all just assumptions, i am not a mathematician)

[untold notch]

wait is it volume as in sound or volume as in space occupied

[olive yarrow]

Wdym

[untold notch]

this person asked about the volume of a skykid, but volume can refer to how loud a sound as well as how much space a 3 dimensional object takes up and i wasn't sure which

[olive yarrow]

True...

Sounds can depend on what honk are they using, the distance and the background sounds too, soo um yea.

There's not really an exact way to calculate it

[untold notch]

which is what I said

[olive yarrow]

i n d e e d

[soft timber]

Loud honkers if I do say so myself, kinda like children playing outside

[earnest briar]

Omg why are we calculating the amount of decibels a Skid's honk makes? Sky gravity calculations 2: Darkstone Boogaloo

[outer moth]

Hullooo
Does someone know if Aurora's paths in Isle and Forest are in the real game ? I can't find them

[keen shore]

Do you mean from the concert?

[pastel brook]

wow, I love this!

[eternal totem]

Those are what pre-existing areas used to look like in the past, Isle's is the whole realm while Forest's is underground cavern, they're not accessible in that state outside the concert, only what we have in the present

[outer moth]

Yes !

[keen shore]

Yeah, then it’s what Dark mentioned above!! ^^

[outer moth]

Oh ok, I was looking for the little cavern at the beginning of the song in Forest, before going to the underground caverns, but ig it is where the passage to the Wind Paths are ☺️☺️ tk very much !!

[outer moth]

Thank you ☺️☺️

[sharp lichen]

THE SKY MATH RETURNS

||For context, in spring of this year I and some others spent 3 days trying to find the gravity of the Sky world and the speed of the Elders||

[sharp lichen]

Volume as in 3d area or volume as in sound?

[rain pond]

3d area

[sharp lichen]

I calculated the surface area so this should be easy enough-

[rain pond]

because i'm trying to figure out if a sky kid shell stuffed with trinitrotoluene (TNT) can collapse the underwater complex of Treasure Reef

[untold notch]

I think asking about that sentence would only make me more confused

[rain pond]

i was being brainrotted by 2Rb + 2H2O => 2RbOH + H2 explosion

[sharp lichen]

Is this Skykid a moth?

[rain pond]

yes, ignore hair and stuff because i wanna know how much TNT can be stuffed inside it and idk what exactly sky kid hair is

[sharp lichen]

A moth is made of 1 spherical head, 4 cylindrical limbs, and 1 rectangular prism body

[celest spoke]

Actually, if you try quickly retracing your little jelly path from whence we came, you can see the top of an entrance tunnel, maybe the same one that we normally need to stomp open inside the hollow tree

wrt sound volume: in space, no one can hear you honk except somehow we do

[tepid veldt]

or in simpler terms, a circle, a triangle, and two lines

[sharp lichen]

Would you like it in freedom or metric units?

[rain pond]

metric please

[nova kestrel]

Hold up hold up hold up
Was pursuing my timely hobby of taking pictures of Krills with extreme detail, and I got one moments before I was purposely KRILLED
But the call they let out, is one of a creature of light, this not only proves my theory of Krills being whales of darkness, but they contain some light(this goes for crabs as in sanctuary memories they let out the same call just different sound)

[untold notch]

weren't their calls red at some point

[nova kestrel]

Not sure been playing since shattering

[frigid tinsel]

They were red during Shattering

[sly lake]

I think it only lasted one update during the launch of Shattering, so if you avoided getting attacked by krills during then you may have missed it.

[left dew]

I have a question for the Sky theorists that I haven't really seen talked about in past discussions but, are the crabs edible?

[short owl]

But in seriousness, there is evidence that ancestors ate crabs (see the memory by the wasteland crab cooking pit and the tummy full memory), but not a lot of evidence that we eat

[frigid tinsel]

ancestors could've eaten crabs but skykids don't need to eat. skykids seem to be able to if they want to but there is no need for them to eat or else they die need

[left dew]

Other than marshmallows what other food would skykids eat?

Because it almost seems to be a crystal gem type situation

But in that case what cant skykids eat?

[frigid tinsel]

I think skids could eat anything that can burn or at least is made out of light. think the "light mochi" granny serves or tea biscuits on Days of Bloom tea sets

[nova kestrel]

Light

[fickle snow]

ohhh, i had never seen the call on the krills, but yes, i also think they are corrupted whales

[atomic lava]

lemons 😈

[sharp lichen]

Here goes:

The volume of a moth Skykid is 21,000 cubic centimeters. That is 21 Liters or 0.75 cubic feet. Expect a bit of margin of error, so much decimal conversions

[rain pond]

138.6 megajoules of energy from a sky kid filled with TNT

[sharp lichen]

Can that destroy the Treasure Reef

[fickle snow]

this went too far xD

[sharp lichen]

You weren’t around for early 2022, this is nothing

[rain pond]

i'm calling in for the night

when you next see me i'll have an answer and also a 3D modelled design for Alef-Resh

[fickle snow]

smt random about the krills and aurora

[broken pendant]

man I decide to check lore chat and you guys are calculating the volume of a sky kid

[short owl]

I was around in early to mid 2021. I can confirm this chat has had times where it has gotten Out Of Hand

The size of a skykid is based on candle height assumed to equal photo height in the Office.

[fickle snow]

but.... could you remind me why did you calculated the volume of an skykid again?

[compact shale]

Because we're curious and bored

[flat crow]

Why is our light drained by rain, but not when we swim?

[short owl]

Water quality most likely. Something in the forest air must not be right - and in irl, rain has been known to collect pollutants

[fickle snow]

but therefor, why does the water where we swim isnt polutted, at the end of the day, the RAIN, is falling IN the water, shouldnt it pollut i?

[short owl]

Plants maybe? Irl, plants and even animals can extract pollutants from water. If you have a fairly large puddle with lil guys purifying it, maybe it just dilutes too quickly to keep the water polluted?

[sharp lichen]

I think the speed of the rain really hurts the Skykid.

Stepping on a pebble won’t harm you, but a pebble falling on you could get you hurt.

[fickle snow]

😮 but, ohh, yes, i have seen that when it hits the skykid, it looks like if it was hitting us/them real hard, so maybe its that

[untold notch]

I think that it is incredibly scientifically implausible for rain to hurt people due to the speed at which it falls which is a concept I don't remember the word for

[round parrot]

About the fire era and the darkstone era
Were there Skykids during that time? If so, then what was their purpose? (For the Skykids in the darkstone era, I hc that they would dress up like ancestors to adapt to the changes in the kingdom)

Another question about pre-darkstone era:
Was Vault real before the discovery of darkstone? In no, then who or what was Vault Elder before the discovery of darkstone and the construction of the Vault?

Also good morning Lorechat

[fickle snow]

cough we are a piece of clay that can fly with nothing but a little of light cough

[frigid tinsel]

the only skykid who lived during the ancestors' time was One

[round parrot]

I dont really see a Skykid's skin to be made out of clay imo, but made up of some sort of dark material, to keep the light inside and possibly protect the Skykids from wounds (by using the crystals as a protection mechanism)

[fickle snow]

in the lore document that @sharp lichen, i think it says that we are made of something like clay

[round parrot]

Yeah but it isn't official, now isn't it? /nm

Its just my opinion anyways, to each their own

[sharp lichen]

It’s not just rain: the dark rain is already uncomfortable, and because earth materials in real life are affected by some material differently, it’s possible that the speed of the rain hurts you.

The pebble analogy works well

@fickle snow Not clay, an earth-like material broadly. Sky chemistry is hard.

[sharp lichen]

Nobody really knows about the Sky timeline, least of all us. Could the Chosen One be a Skykid? Who knows?

[frigid tinsel]

any solid material can block light, so skykids don't have to be made out of a special material when any theoretically can do as long as it can hold their light within.

[sharp lichen]

Making a full, 100% Sky timeline is impossible. If you want to make fun, focus more on the broad themes of the game rather than the specific details

[untold notch]

there is a maximum speed at which anything can fall and rain is at its maximum speed. you've been outside in the rain you can confirm it doesnt hurt

[fickle snow]

irl rain, but sky rain? no one knows but our skykids

[sharp lichen]

The rain in our world is much different than the dark rain in the Sky world, and we are not the same composition as the Skykids.

[untold notch]

if you apply real world physics and science to sky to find out how much energy a tnt explosion would detonate why don't you apply it to the physics and science of rain

[frigid tinsel]

skykids can survive crashing into solid walls at excelling speeds. I don't see how the rain could damage them by force rather than magical properties

there is likely darkness in the rain and it drains on their light, precipitation from the Eden Storm was fills the world full of excess cloud cover

[sharp lichen]

1. They used to take damage

2. I think it’s a combination of the force and magical properties.

3. Many forces in Sky already damage us physically, like Crabs, the Eden Storm, and Dark Dragons

[fickle snow]

and maybe, since water can like, refract light, maybe it like kind of weakens our light that way

[frigid tinsel]

yes bonk damage used to be a thing, but it isn't anymore. compared to crabs and krill, rain being able to damage them from force, especially when rain doesn't hurt most people irl, is really making this problem more complex than it has to be. even when skykids took bonk damage, they exclusively lost winged light, not neutral light power like they do under the rain.

the simplest thus likeliest answer is that there is darkness in the rain that takes their light since it is a given that darkness takes light. skykids even shiver if you keep them in the rain for too long. the rain is abnormally cold to them, probably due to the darkness there, whereas in Valley, full of snow, is fine.

it is analogous to acid rain, which does damage due to the pollutants in the rainfall rather than the force of the rain falling.

[fickle snow]

😮

[keen shore]

I’m taking this as a challenge btw
(This is a joke I’ve actually been working on the timeline for awhile)

[short owl]

Btw, snow can be quite warm when on a mountain. Found that one out the hard way.

[fickle snow]

valley (?)

[frigid tinsel]

that is such a Canadian sentence

[fickle snow]

and something i saw, during the concert, the spirit ilusions vibrate with aurora's voice, what do i mean, i mean that, like they like have a kind of "beat" that happens in sincrony with aurora's voice

[keen shore]

absolutely! comparing rain to crabs and krill when it comes to hurting skykids by force is… not really a valid comparison. rain is a lot smaller and has much less mass than both of these things.

also… skykids are covered in a thick clay shell. if raindrops came down hard and fast enough to penetrate it I’d be shocked

[frigid tinsel]

music and light have a close relationship, like how singing in Orbit in harmony to the song. prob just another way to show attune to the light

[safe sphinx]

did we get hints at resh during the concert

[sharp lichen]

Winged light is just light power but more. You can lose winged light if you stand in the rain long enough. And you lose far less light standing in the rain than on crabs and Krills. Sure, it’s a lot smaller, but there’s a lot more of it too.

[sharp lichen]

Resh lore in Sky is…. Heavily debated. We don’t even know what to call them.

[safe sphinx]

[sharp lichen]

We got Resh, Alef (are they the same?), King, Prince (are they gender neutral terms??), Eden Elder and Chosen One (names based off theories?), Storm, One, funny child (the best name fr)

[safe sphinx]

what the honk

also. funny child?? elaborate :SkyLol:

[fickle snow]

XD

[short owl]

Got locked out of the car on a trip to snow. I was wearing several footie pajamas underneath to keep warm.

[sharp lichen]

The child was too funny, got beaned from Sky world

[autumn prawn]

Yo does the forest elder got a name or gender at all? Been curious

[keen shore]

Their canon name is elder of the forest, but fanon names include Rain and Teth!
As for gender, they don’t have one, same as every other Sky character. ^^

[teal bronze]

What are the ❇️ for?

[frigid tinsel]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[untold notch]

honestly yeah alasdair is right

[broken pendant]

nothin

[lament falcon]

Hi

[crude flame]

I mean, this is a good question though ! It makes me wonder if we’ll ever be able to find more spirits in the base-game constellations with those
Even if it’s probably unlikely and simply an insignificant detail, it leaves room to wonder

[sharp lichen]

I think they’re ways to give the original constellation structure. So for example, the stars are there to make it more convincingly look like a spear and shield.

[keen shore]

we can dream that it also leaves spots open for more spirits in the future as well

[compact shale]

Honestly, not the worst idea

[crude flame]

I think you’re right, and that’s most likely its main purpose of course, but the star icons themselves are still intriguing to me nonetheless, it feels like an empty spot almost !

I wouldn’t be surprised if new spirits were never added there since they’ve mostly added new content and spirits through seasons, but it would certainly be a pleasant addition!

[floral cypress]

So, is aurora just God now?

[copper saffron]

everyone has a different interpretation of it. i personally dont think she is, not exactly, but others do

[scenic siren]

Personally, I don't consider collab seasons to be 100% canon (like the little prince season. I think there is no reason for a huge crown, or huge stack of book to float on clouds outside Vault)
The only god-like thing jn this fantasy universe is a magic yellow bird. Aurora is an alien singing in the coliseum with very skilled special effect team of spirits

[short owl]

I hear you ... But on the other hand, it's Aurora, who sang the intro and post eden songs. There's an argument to be made that this season is more than a colab.

[scenic siren]

That might be just the game background music Like there is background music in Forest but the trees are not playing flute

[slim mango]

When i go to The Seed segments of Aurora Concert, i saw there's a same pose of this two buff soldier...

One meter far!

[round parrot]

Asset recycling ♻️

[plucky yarrow]

are all the spirits in the game dead? because if they are thats really sad

[round parrot]

Yep

[plucky yarrow]

nooooo

[marsh wedge]

What are the dumplings grandma feeds us made of?

[copper saffron]

light, probably

[marsh wedge]

I want the recipe

[short owl]

I here she uses lots of love, so be sure to stock up... And maybe bring a few friends

[pastel brook]

doesn't make any sense to me

[rain pond]

so i 3d modeled my design of the eden elder

and they can move

[uneven jacinth]

Lore here sure is interesting.

[rustic glen]

This is so interesting! Do we know how tall skykids are? (at least how tall chibis and max height players are)

[sharp lichen]

If elevators can float inside Vault, books can surely float outside Vault.

[sharp lichen]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[sharp lichen]

I don’t think she’s as powerful enough to be a god, I think she’s roughly on the power level of an Elder.

[zealous inlet]

[sharp lichen]

Rhythm lacks concept art, but they are shown in the season of Performance #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[flint bolt]

Ah yes, because a woman that can levitate, make other people levitate, manipulate the world around them, change the time of day, can change appearance at will, and has direct access to the after life IS DEFINITELY A ELDER LEVEL.

M A K E S S E N S E

[short owl]

If you grow giant, semi translucent and Glow and you think that's normal, you're probably a god. mortals do not do this.

[flint bolt]

that was sarcasm my friend

[short owl]

... beep.

[rain pond]

i still strongly believe that AURORA was a "twin" to the Eden Elder

[sharp lichen]

ALL THESE ARE THINGS SKYKIDS CAN DO

[sharp lichen]

Yeah, like a successful version of the Prophecy

[rain pond]

megabird dropped at least two of these authorities possibly close together in time, unsure about location.

either megabird sent aurora after eden elder failed, or they were sent into different places and after AURORA's first success and the failure of the eden elder, AURORA heeded Megabird's call and went to our Sky kingdom.

[untold notch]

nonsense I do that all the time

[rain pond]

this may also canonize the Journey cosmetics if Sky and Journey share the same god

[sharp lichen]

How so?

[short owl]

Yes. Skykids. The creatures definitely not handcrafted by a literal god to ultimately act out the responsibilities of a minor diety.

[rain pond]

it's doubtful though, Megabird doesn't have any connection to fabric

[sharp lichen]

Skykids are just silly little things, they just happen to have godlike powers

[short owl]

We are gods of death, leading lost souls to the afterlife.

[flint bolt]

you skimmed through that

[untold notch]

when did journey have a god what

[sharp lichen]

It’s still true

[rain pond]

this is the only possible (read: very dubious) connection

also Journey doesn't have confirmation of a god anywhere but the murals show the mountain spewing out a bunch of the holy symbols which become animals and the red cloth. im inclined to believe it's a deity or a deity-like thing

[keen shore]

As stated in the intro, elders are the ones who ascend spirits, not us ^^ we just use our flame to burn away the darkness around them so they can go to the temple

[flint bolt]

how does sky kids physically manipulate the world

[short owl]

So... Does that make us assistant to the gods? Cause we had to fix the elders for them to send the souls to the afterlife... After picking up the souls who has not made their way there.

[rain prawn]

I guess

[keen shore]

I personally believe the part where Aurora does all that is a dream or illusion of some sort. I stopped calling it non canon because I realized it wasn’t quite the right word for what I was experiencing. You can see she uses the spirits’ memories to create the illusions as well.

To be honest, if I had to guess I’d say the concert focused more on being an emotionally driven experience than perfectly accurate and slotted into the magic system of Sky, so I’m ultimately not too worried about making her a god or whatever.

I also think it would be weird if someone whose physical form was only referenced in a performance mural teasing the collab was suddenly the creator of the world or something along those lines.

[sharp lichen]

More talking about Eden

[keen shore]

I guess you could phrase it like that!

[keen shore]

Do you think you could elaborate as to what you mean by this? Are you wondering how we ascend when we get to Eden?

[sharp lichen]

Funny table prop, Shattering, Flight, dark plants

[sharp lichen]

By “leading lost souls into the afterlife”, what I assumed Null meant was the sequence in Eden PNR where we save the Skykids frozen in Eden

[keen shore]

OHHHH I assumed they meant spirits! It’s the same logic for those skykids though, we give them light to free them & they fly up through the beam on their own. we’re not really guiding them, we’re just freeing them so they can take the same journey we do

We’re fellow travelers, not guides

[still portal]

I just came here and haven't read theories cuz I wanna say mine. Maybe someone said similar thing
I think Aurora is a kinda megabird
And we see how sky children were made.
We were created after that civil war from light creatures
And a had a deja vu when I saw consert first time. Aurora reminded me voice of teller from the beginning. (who said that created us to help spirits)

[flint bolt]

myeh >:T

[keen shore]

Again, I think it would be really weird if someone we’ve only seen visually referenced to tease the season itself had such a large impact on Sky’s world.

Given what we see in the concert and the fact that we don’t have to be reborn after, insinuating she didn’t actually take us to Orbit (& by extension everywhere else) and it was illusionary, it seems silly to interpret her powers as exactly literal and real things that 100% physically happened to us.

[lusty merlin]

Even if that’s the case I can’t see anything that would back this up, don’t even look like twins in the first place, plus if it was true then wouldn’t the concerts be permeant? Seems unfair to shut out lore from new players when the concerts are no longer accessible unless you got the wings

[keen shore]

This is also implicitly assuming One has godlike powers which I don’t think is necessarily true either

[silver glade]

Especially considering that after each song we are suddenly transported back into our seats as if we all just came out of trance

[spring python]

I genuinely think One was a regular Sky kid who was mistaken for someone powerful cause they passed the trials at a time no one else managed to

[pastel brook]

I, Skybot, judge of all trials, find @spring python to be a cool Sky kid

[eternal totem]

Get the hell out of my house

[spring python]

Skybot thinks I’m cool I’m officially cringe

[keen shore]

Same here but maybe more powerful light magic wise than the average skykid

[lusty merlin]

Oo i can see that! For me they’re a mix of an elder and sky-kid on my hc, a prototype for the sky-kids that we see in game, but them being a normal skykid can definitely happen

Thinking of ushering skygazers memory 🫶 I really think that’s One

[spring python]

Ooh yeah you two make good points, they do look slightly extraordinary in every concept art they’re in

[untold notch]

I'm obligated to mention that twins don't always look the same or even similar but this isn't me disagreeing with you

[lusty merlin]

Yaya ofcorse, just compared to the statues we see of one and seeing aurora I don’t see any similarities

[keen shore]

Then again given what skykids do, I can see everyone thinking they’re so cool and special but that’s just normal skykid things, so I’m indecisive

[lusty merlin]

Skykids takes a candle from their chest
The ancestors:😮😧

[spring python]

I think I’d start crying given the idea of what the irl analogy to that would be 💀

[spring python]

Maybe they’re like a “prototype”, so a sky kid except with less limitations

[eternal totem]

Megabird on the 7th day said let there be a child so unhinged

[keen shore]

The only difference I know off of the bat is they wouldn’t have WL so they couldn’t fly but idk about the rest

[eternal totem]

They're a good climber I guess

[spring python]

Uuuuh they’re shinier. Stargazer never had to pay for light bills again

[lusty merlin]

L wingless ratio

[sharp lichen]

No, unfortunately

[fickle snow]

maybe, but, as idk who said, maybe alef was like, a """fake""" choosen one, like, the fake avatars in ATLA, and like, very little persons knew about aurora, maybe she is not megabird, but yes at least she has something to do with megabird.

[eternal totem]

This one? This is the only concept art of Rhythm spirits, however judging by the designs those date back to the Winter 2018 version

[sturdy onyx]

Yes this one!

[verbal aspen]

I'm glad I scrolled back to see this 🙂

[eternal totem]

Here's a whole gallery to all the Korea Assembly concept art that we could find, by Slink: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1wY7KcmVeu3PTqm-a2Ap_xzZ8caAuzbZv

I believe this is the one you're looking for

[fickle snow]

...

[keen shore]

Do you have any evidence for them being the fake chosen one? I mean, they seem to resemble the prophecy murals really well

[low spindle]

SHATTERING STUFF

[fickle snow]

not really, but, the murals were painted by who? exactly,, by ancestors, so, maybe, he was just an skykid like us, but, since he passed the trials that no ona had been able to, he was like kind of worshiped, named king and etc, but he was corruptible, like it happened, but the murals were painted by the spirits that named him king so :/

[keen shore]

but the murals are a prediction of the future, that’s why it’s called season of prophecy. How would they be fake if they fit them exactly?

Also can you provide evidence for the parts about them being worshipped and also corrupted somehow

[fickle snow]

1: yes, the murals are visions of the future, but the murals just say that he would go trough all the trials and become king, but as someone said, no one said what would happene next, or if he had something especial apart from being the first dude to pass the trials,

two: and yes, shall i remind you that he is trapped in eye of eden, that there has been many times (at least that i have heard) that he was corrupted, at least mentally, due to power, like, that frase in spanish that says "el poder se le subio a la cabeza" (i dont know its equivalent in english) he got over confident and started overusing light, in other words, "creating" darkness,
and the worshiped part, literally both in the cave and eden there are murals that show the spirits bowing to him, :/

[untold notch]

if my Spanish knowledge is right I think that phrase is more or less "power goes to the head"

[fickle snow]

right

[keen shore]

for clarification we don’t know if the corrupted stuff was canon or not. people used to and still sometimes do just assume it is true but there’s not any evidence for it in the current version of the game (aka, not concept art) and it doesn’t fit Sky’s themes very much to have a singular villain behind everything

Also I get the confusion with bowing, but people do do that to people they don’t worship, like those in higher positions of authority for example

[sharp lichen]

But it does fit to have the reason for Sky’s first demise is created by a singular person, which would only highlight the Skykid’s success.

And yes, I do believe the King/Chosen One is now stuck inside the Void of Shattering

[keen shore]

…Maybe? I could see that if it was a mistake or something caused by them failing due to being alone, but if it was caused on purpose, it makes them a villain, I can’t see that at all

[fickle snow]

yes, and, he was not alone, the elders suported him (at least until tbefore they tried to get the red diamond thingy out of eden), and also the spirits made their part, but he was the detonating thing that made the sky persons to start overusing light

[spring python]

I think they felt pressured to do what they did

[sharp lichen]

I believe the King failed not because they were evil, but because the idea of a single person doing everything alone just doesn’t work in the real world or Sky world.

[waxen quest]

Sky: Children of the Light

Can you belive this piece of information? I definitely couldn't

[fickle snow]

waht

[sturdy wyvern]

Quick! Lurkers! While lore chat is dead!
Steal their lunches

[pastel brook]

[untold notch]

hey wait we need those lunches give those back

[frigid tinsel]

Imagine having lunch

[untold notch]

the cucumber sandwiches...

[frigid tinsel]

I'm making grilled cheese, food of the kings

[fickle snow]

where are you going with that

ok lore chat is dead afgain cprs the chat

[pastel brook]

[sturdy wyvern]

Anywhere but here!
🧰🍪

[untold notch]

this chat isn't active consistently

[fickle snow]

krills are hungry (jk)

[frigid tinsel]

I remember the days when every morning I'd be backreading 400+ messages

[keen shore]

Yeah, now you do the same thing, just in a different server!

[sharp lichen]

Huh?? What different server?

[frigid tinsel]

the Minecraft server

[silver dome]

What—

[frigid tinsel]

I run a Minecraft server

[fickle snow]

😮

[sharp lichen]

I suppose this channel has less controversy now

[untold notch]

I like that controversy is annoying

[soft timber]

flies in Gloating Narcissist is like that one friend or family member who wins a whole lot of awards

[south oracle]

That sporty cousin that you only see on Thanksgiving

[potent sedge]

My theory is that the krill were originally light creatures but the crystal or darkness turned them into krill and because they were originally light creatures, they're drawn to light but they can't help but attack/eat us

Also i wanna know y'all's theories about home
Like
What is home
Where is home

Is it a part of the kingdom of sky or is it separate
Ik there's a homelike space in the ||end of Eden just before orbit|| but idk??

[livid dagger]

What's a Good video on the sky lore

[sharp lichen]

The Sky Map shows home right below Isle

[keen shore]

it also shows the trials and orbit as real physical locations in the world, and also a diagonal vault, so maybe not the most reliable source as much as I’d like it to be

[sharp lichen]

But the Sky team clearly put a lot of effort into the map, and it somewhat reflects the old map as well.

[keen shore]

I mean… do you think the trials and orbit exist physically within the world? do you think vault is diagonal instead of completely vertical?
i think the map is more how the skykids conceptualize their world rather than it being how it actually works

[sharp lichen]

I don’t get how people seem to discredit really cool things in the Sky world by making it “not real”.

[keen shore]

I’m ambivalent about Home being real, I’m just trying to say I don’t think the ingame map is a perfectly reliable source on how the world looks… you can do what you want, I know you seem to be more interested in canonchasing so I wanted to mention that

[untold notch]

I don't think children have the best cartography skills

[round parrot]

Conspiracy theory headcanon that the concert recruits Skykids to becoming Aurorists

[soft timber]

Lol yea, the one who grew up as either a sports person, gymnast, or just one of those regular athletic peeps

[fair lotus]

well mine certainly got indoctrinated

[short owl]

I mean neither do most adults.

None of them have arial views of the world though so it's understandable

[sharp lichen]

But the children aren’t drawing the map

[frigid tinsel]

then who do you think drew the map?

[fair lotus]

I dont think the maps are supposed to be accurate. theyre like, pictures of landmarks

[compact shale]

Megabird /j

[untold notch]

idk who you think is but I'd love to hear

[halcyon abyss]

So I think after a lot of thought and mural hunting, concert watching, and Eden playing.

I think I like the theory that the world is cracked and doesn't really exist anymore. That Sky is chunks of the earth that merged with the clouds because of how much light interacted with those locations before the explosion.

And now after the concert, Eden hits differently.

I also think Krill could be the embodiment and creation of the amount of death from the war.

[sharp lichen]

The maps are created by the Map Shrines (with the ) symbol on them, and by meditating in places, it fills out itself. I think the map was created by the Light, not the Skykids, because there’s no way the Skykids know what the entirety of the Sky world looks like.

[halcyon abyss]

I could see if skykids are reincarnations of their previous selves, I could see them having a hand in creating a map for each other, knowing their next embodiment could find it.

[untold notch]

they don't , they only know the areas where the map shrines are

and also they can Straight Up Fly

[sharp lichen]

Read this: https://uxdesign.cc/understanding-ux-in-video-games-diegesis-theory-f59d5a94cbcf?gi=2b03fcb76270

A thing being “diagetic” means that the thing is useful to both the character (Skykids) and player (us). Meanwhile, a “non-diagetic” thing isn’t really used by the character, only the player.

In my mind, the Sky map (like most other video game maps) are non-diagetic.

even an unfilled Sky map has some things that new Skykids can’t reasonably know

[halcyon abyss]

Great article, really helps those who are interested in such things to consider balance between what's just for me as a player and what's for the game.

I think the BEST part about a Game like sky and TGC, is there are a lot of things open for interpretation from interacting with the game. To think a map system was designed within world is a neat idea that's cool to think about creatively.

I believe it's awesome to think Skykids helped will together a map.

[sharp lichen]

Either it’s non-diagetic, or diagetic and accurate. There’s no use gameplay wise to create an inaccurate map

[halcyon abyss]

From an ancestor it could look "incorrect" if it's from a skykid.

[frigid tinsel]

the inaccuracies could be stylistic, given the whole map shapes out like a diamond, a common symbol throughout the game

[halcyon abyss]

Oh! Another thoughts I had, for the longest time I'd been in debate about the rain and water in hidden forest. And HF never really fit into any of my theories.

During the concert there are stars above the hidden grove so the war hadn't happened yet. This also works well with my belief of Sky being chunks of land heavily touched by light.

I think the Jellies are what keeps the water pure in forest. Since we don't see any other ground than the little bubble we fly into and out of surrounding forest, the jelly fish are present and when they're risen from the water, the rain stops.

Just more thoughts :3

[uncut pond]

The map's one and only purpose is to let us find Lost Memories more easily after getting krilled, it's not supposed to be accurate. That's also why the map only has the signature landmark of each zone rather than accurately showing the different masses of land across the clouds.

[sharp lichen]

I don’t think so, since the new Sky map shares a lot in common with the old Sky map. This extends beyond lost memories, with things like Orbit being in the top left corner or the Starlight Desert being right of Vault.

[uncut pond]

Desert being to the right of Vault when coming from Wasteland is one of the things that make me dubious of either of these maps ever being meant to be canon and not just stylized concepts/intentionally inaccurate depictions

There's also the chance that TGC just didn't put that much thought into the geography but I prefer to believe TGC is better than that

But eh, the reason some parts of the map just don't make any sort of sense (like desert being to the right or the vault being constructed by Italians) is most likely because those areas wouldn't have fit into the map as well or even at all if they were depicted accurately, TGC very clearly took some creative liberties with this

[tiny kelp]

How dark are the theory allowed to get

[uncut pond]

Ah...

(the joke comes from speculation on how ancestors extracted the light from mantas to power diamonds, some believing it was crushing them and turning them into juice)

[tiny kelp]

Ok this chats pretty unhinged

[keen shore]

you know, even if the map isn’t perfectly accurate, it’s still useful to us… it maps out WL as well as shows us areas in the realm and loosely how to get to them
i still haven’t seen any explanation on your end for diagonal vault which is the main sticking point for me here

[tiny kelp]

Um, so I recently had a very unappealing theory about Eden and why the only people there when we came were children.
In certain anicent cultures children where considered the purest and most valuable thing to exist.
And when times got hard they would ||offer them to the gods/stars,|| usually on top of mountains.
Returning the stars meant that the children would have to "ascend to the stars" themselves, such as ours did in orbit. But the ones in Eden did not succeed. And more children were offered in hopes of appeasing the stars until nothing was left to give

This is just a theory tho, a game theory

[uncut pond]

You see, Vault being diagonal is confirmation for the existence of Italy and therefore Sky Rome

[keen shore]

I will squeeze you between my fists like play dough

[halcyon abyss]

I think the vault is depicted as right of GW because it matches the mural in the Isle of Dawn temple of the progress into Sky domain.

(I'm so sorry for the ping, I forgot to turn it off!)

[uncut pond]

CATHOLIC SHUSH IS REAL AND SO IS SKY ROME. NO ONE CAN DENY IT ANY LONGER

[tiny kelp]

Isn't vault a part of the wasteland
The majority of it is under ground
It's the only "realm" that isn't a realm
It's a building

[halcyon abyss]

I think it was at some point.

(Not the underground part)

[rigid iron]

the majority of vault is underground?

[uncut pond]

(I don't mind the ping btw, but remember that others generally don't like getting pinged)

The problem isn't Vault being to the right of wasteland... In fact it's literally to the left in both maps

The problem is Starlight desert being to the right of Vault when coming from Wasteland

[halcyon abyss]

Oooh!! I see I see!! I just noticed that too with the desert being to the right when you hook left.

[tiny kelp]

The vault shouldn't even have clouds around it on the map it's literally one solid tower/structure
That map is specifically for gameplay purposes

[halcyon abyss]

Also, I know there was some talk of if some thought Home was real or not. There is a stone depiction of home above the big door into the first temple. I think our home with all the gates, might be what they envisioned the stars to be like?

[halcyon abyss]

Visually yes, I agree.

I think Vault doesn't really exist anymore, so with our light we're able to see what it was.

(And I only think this more so having just been through orbit. )

[uncut pond]

I think the post-elder room that leads to Eden confirms vault does exist, just not in it's 'former glory' but rather in a decayed state

[tiny kelp]

Out of all the realms it's the most likely to still exist
The majority of it is underground hence the name vault
The structure you come out of going into Eden is the top of it

[sharp lichen]

I mean, the orange particle thingies could be seen as clouds

[keen shore]

Vault does still exist, it’s just very destroyed at the moment. Consequences of being right underneath the center of the explosion, I’d guess

[sharp lichen]

Vault being constructed by Italians is a worse fate than I would imagine

[halcyon abyss]

Yes, the decrepit room you exit vault in, I personally believe that is all that is left of vault. Considering vault was a place of deep knowledge and around the center of where light was collected and stored (for whatever reasons, looking at you jars on the wall, I like to think we're attuned with vault so we can see it for what it was like before the explosion.

And once we've been through it and seen, We're magically deposited into this tower before Eden. In all other areas we can visually see where we're going, but vault is the only one where we don't see going to the next place.

[jade river]

inclined tower of vault confirmed?

[tiny kelp]

I think the realms feed into each other
The hidden forest feeds into the Valley, Wasteland is a part of the Valley but is more military based (i say this because in homespace they share the same path, and tgc recently changed the texture of that path to be more visible), the Vault is a part of Wasteland that feeds into eden
Eden isn't even visible in Wasteland so it's safe to assume that Wasteland Is at the base of the Eden mountain

I'm gonna make an accurate sky map someday

What's on the other side of the Eden mountain

[frigid tinsel]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

In Zhao’s concept map, the realms geographically spiral around Eden, so there could be various outer realms beyond

[untold notch]

the skybox in wasteland is all clouds (can't see anything) a better way to decide that is due to wasteland temple and vault being connected

[tiny kelp]

So where the realms built before or after the storm
Now I have more questions lmao

[frigid tinsel]

Before, the Eden Storm is a product of the Eden diamond corrupting.
Also please don’t ping me, it’s in my name

[tiny kelp]

O im sorry

[halcyon abyss]

Isle of Dawn explains the ancestors belief of the stars breathing life into the world. Harnessing the stars, they were able to connect the seven realms, then one day the sky went dark (assuming this was when Eden exploded)

[tiny kelp]

How did the diamond truly corrupt is what truly bugging me
I wanna believe it was them destroying there world to advance themselves but that may not be the case
How would that affect the diamond

[frigid tinsel]

We don’t know how the Eden diamond corrupted.

[tiny kelp]

Maybe it received too much power and eventually exploded, maybe paralleling to the forest elders which ran out of power and broke

[untold notch]

forest elder did what

[tiny kelp]

I was referring to how the forest elders diamond is also broken, and how she was able to fix and power it with light

[frigid tinsel]

Dunno how his diamond broke but presumably it can’t hold itself together since it is out of power

[tiny kelp]

And the Eden diamond is definitely holding itself together but it's emitting an insane amount of energy

The diamond may have ran out of power and simply fell to the ground, shattering itself

[flint bolt]

Baudshaw is not a creative color

[sharp lichen]

???????

[round parrot]

Ah
A dhmis reference I see

[flint bolt]

You just aint good to paint with

[obtuse schooner]

Hello~
you know what's cool? The recurrent theme of reliving memories in order to be re-established.
I'm gonna think on this before going to sleep lol

[untold notch]

ok skybot

[obtuse schooner]

I think the diamond represents the universe as a whole... maybe it unleashed the light and contains darkness to protect us from it, so it only comes out in manageable doses. Something like that

And maybe the dragons are actually protecting the diamond 🙂

Bc greedy humans try to take all the resources~

[fickle snow]

but they got corrupted with alef's darkstone industry

[obtuse schooner]

Oh, I don't know what that is... I joined Sky in November so I only know Aurora's season

And... don't know what other reference that may have been heh

[round parrot]

Its not stated that Alef was the one who corrupted the Dark Dragons, in actuality, we don't know the origin of corruption of Dark Dragons, it is debatable whether they came from the waste of ||juicing mantas to create the energy of Dark Diamonds|| or something else (of which I do not remember)

[fair lotus]

are darkstones a confirmed thing or just a popular fan theory? as in, they were mined up or whatever?

[round parrot]

Its a confirmed thing

Its all around the map

[untold notch]

its not confirmed that its alefs darkstone industry either - forest and wasteland were likely involved in darkstone production due to the architecture of their buildings

[round parrot]

Mhm (and not to mention the similarities of the Forest Temple and the area in GW where we first see a krill)

[fair lotus]

all I’ve seen is that mining was a thing, not that they mined an evil stone

edit: “evil stone” is tongue-in-cheek. I dont know that I even believe in morality, and I’m aware that rocks dont have thoughts and feelings….

[untold notch]

im not sure stones have a capacity for evil ,, its more that the amount of it they were mining became unsustainable

[frigid tinsel]

darkstone isn’t evil — it’s a material, it isn’t conscious or moral, it was just used excessively and caused so much pollution when refined into technology

[fair lotus]

I didnt think they did either thats why I was confused lmao

yeah thats why I thought it was a bad theory, glad to know thats not what people mean

still, calling it darkstone seems weird considering its just rocks

[halcyon abyss]

I like to think this too. That the Eden represents the essence of the earth or the universe. Too much of one thing can cause there to be imbalance, thus creating the fracture of the light and goodness

(Figured I'd add that I support a lot of different ideas :3)

[obtuse schooner]

Yes, I think that diamond has consciousness of the whole

[shadow kindle]

did anyone ever mention that the lights in the center of the seasonal spirits match the color of the lights floating around their respective realm for the ark rebuild quests

[round parrot]

Actually they do! They most likely have a connection with the 4 colored lights they are associated with and it combined with their light in general!

[halcyon abyss]

Through the ancestor memories and AURORA'S concert we explore two different sides of memories. This got me thinking about how history can repeat itself if we don't do something to change our ways

And how we can learn from our past just as much as what we should strive for in the future.

[tiny kelp]

If thats not the cause they are a subspecies of light creature
In the switch trailer crab like and krill like creatures of light where featured
I believe they had to adapt to a cruel environment or die trying

The water may have also fried there brains in a way
Cause the light creature in the trailer was a companion and the crabs were skittish

[fair lotus]

anyway… so what is darkstone? if its not supposed to be a special spooky rock, why is it called that?

[uncut pond]

Darkstone isn't evil in the same sense that weapons-grade uranium isn't evil. Sure, you could argue that it's "just a rock", and that'd be true, but that's not how it was used
They have special properties that were misused and caused irreparable damage

[tiny kelp]

It's a stone of dark color

[frigid tinsel]

raw darkstone is probably blue, actually. you can see chunks of it in the spilled mines at Treasure Reef

[fair lotus]

I am aware inanimate objects can’t be evil. “evil stone” was tongue-in-cheek.

[lusty merlin]

sinister stone /ref

[tiny kelp]

I was probably used for "evil"
Which gave it the name to people who where against the use of it

[untold notch]

buy my sinister potion!

[frigid tinsel]

darkstone is prob called darkstone cos it absorbs light. in the absence of light is darkness, hence the stone is "dark."
refined darkstone used in technology is actually called power diamonds.

[uncut pond]

I believe it's often called "darkstone" because all the darkness and corruption (arguably and allegedly) came from it's production

[fair lotus]

I’m just trying to understand if the theory is that they found something that inherently corrupts, or if its more of a poetic name. tbh, I think sky isnt about literal lore so much as themes anyway

[tiny kelp]

Eden is a reference to the lost paradise of man
I think that has more meaning than it let's on

[shadow kindle]

wait also have there been any significant lore discoveries since season of assembly (I assume there have) -- I've been super inactive since then but aurora sent me into a sky renaissance period so if anyone has links to some good lore dumps pls feel free to pass them my way bc I was a big lore nerd like a year ago but I feel like i've missed so much

[frigid tinsel]

except darkstone technology is not inherently corruptible, just how it used and created caused harm. it's possible darkstone technology could have been used sustainably, but the mass production and scale of it led to ecological devastation.

[fair lotus]

right. thats what I was thinking. I assumed the darkness was manmade, a metaphor for greed and selfishness

[tiny kelp]

That metaphorical darkness may have manifested into something physical
Us as humans are capable of magic if enough people believe we are

[fair lotus]

certainly in the universe of Sky, where the people of Sky seem very magically adept, their greed and disrespect for Light/Nature/Harmony manifested as an actual destructive force

[frigid tinsel]

I don't think darkness is "evil" too but rather out of balance with light. it's like an invasive species – it is just doing what it does to survive, brought into an environment where it has no niche to keep it in check. darkness seems bad because it hurts us beings of light, but darkness preys on light like wolves prey on deer – it's just attaining energy needing to grow. the darkness is not inherently bad in it of itself, but it's current imbalance, in it's excessiveness, is bad.
(also don't ping me).

[fair lotus]

I’m gonna be honest I dont know what ping means

I’m assuming it means to use @ name or whatever?

edit: SORRY I didnt mean to actually tag a real person

[tiny kelp]

Yes
I love this analogy!
Too much light can blind you just as too much darkness can do the same

[uncut pond]

Most things in Sky are metaphors, and if darkness were to be a metaphor for pollution and waste then it probably is inherent to darkstone, but because darkstone was found underground and isolated, it didn't affect anything else until it was mined and refined

Kinda like how radioactive materials are inherently harmful to most living things, but are found underground where they usually don't do anything