lore-discussion-spoilers

[midnight sonnet]

I know I was just joking

[ocean grove]

Ooo, i like that idea, definitely a good interpretation of the color use in the game, I really like that theory

[digital mortar]

almost like blue is neutral; not containing light, not lacking it, but the red is the negative light, where it needs it and will do anything it can to obtain it

[rare walrus]

I feel like the eden crystal was something the elders were against (either from the start or along the way)It would had started with vault of knowledge elder .

Another thing. The existence of the instrument with aurora voice means that aurora may had existed at some point but banished later

[violet sable]

Red = Needs light
Yellow = Has Light
Blue = Death

[midnight sonnet]

True

[violet sable]

I think she lost faith in the spirits so she just left. Exhale Inhale shows her coming back

[midnight sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/disappear-gif-10108384 Aurora

[warm aspen]

Also blue is lack of light i think.(again e.g. Krills, Dark plants that traps butterflies) Just using darkstone uses a bit of light to activate. But if it contains energy its yellow/golden/lit up. But if it's too much, it glows red, and it desires more. Shattering shards flows red, it literally has energy to make the seed sprouts fly and vibrate. Why is it red if the game calls them darkness? I think it's a bit of reach but darkness is just corruption more than just simple absence of light.

[tulip salmon]

dang 117 messages since 1hour ago

[violet sable]

Red things cause darkness from absorbing energy around them, this is explained by the darkness of an area when a shard is present as well as Eden crystal

[rare walrus]

Actually here is a theory

The seasons in the valley of triumph are related to music in some way (the one girl that does performances on ice im not sure). What if music was powerful and aurora's voice had a role at some point? It would lead the reason why they made a instrument with her voice afyer she dissapeared, it was special.

[digital mortar]

I think the red IS darkness. The darkness is similar to black hole in that it is ever expanding, containing it's own power. It needs more light, and as it contains a power akin to darkness (i.e darkness being just the absence of light) it can create more darkness plants that require you to give it light to stabilize it and make it stop sapping energy from everything it touches

[tulip salmon]

i really want to draw a comic to show my theory bc i can't write very well but too busy 🥲

[violet sable]

You get wax from darkness plants because they swallowed light

[digital mortar]

sometimes i find it helpful to use point form, arrows, flowcharts or mindmaps to get things out onto paper

[tulip salmon]

usually i feel like iap isn't relevent to story but this kinda sound right

[warm aspen]

In my head, red shards of shattering contains memories (compared to black shards) because it has too much light in it. The light from those beings, so strong they still contain memories.

[digital mortar]

ok brb to watch the concert again now lmao

[warm aspen]

Some even are alive and still can be freed: butterflies

[ocean grove]

Alright lore chat, im heading to sleep
Cya later

[tulip salmon]

so what i gather from skimming chat is that the King trap themself in crystal, red shards contains memories from them, TLP and Vault ties to plot and just the whole kingdom history in general.
oh and also Abyss.

[rare walrus]

I do see your point with the iap thing

I just kinda thought about why would there be a instrument with someone's voice plus the S of performance

[tulip salmon]

okay but the chat about megabird left and now went back
i theorize Megabird = Aurora, and she is an physical form for megabird to use so the breath might just get used to breathing. Megabird don't have physical body after all

[atomic lava]

hi this is a lot later than when you were talking about this, but what about the other lights? i'm curious to know what about them might be special like how the purple light casts illusions it seems
(sorry for ping but i didnt know if you were awake or not and im too curious^^ still very sorry)

[cedar sun]

The war was actually about the light creatures?!

[soft hamlet]

So can we considerate the scenes shown in Aurora’s concert canon ? Just saying

[torn eagle]

seems to be either
1 Light creatures and ancestors versus ancestors
2 Light creatures vs ancestors vs other group of ancestors

[torn eagle]

it seems collab seasons always can be considered canon at this point.. but how canon up to debate prolly

[stark quarry]

Their weapon is different from other? Any theory?
Wait does it mean they are from the same group? But why did they attack each other?

[lone hull]

it's canon

[frosty crater]

i think that there where tribes one for every elder

and they had a war over pollution and we play as the child that doesn't know anything about why something is the way it is

but the more we play the more we learn about the lore i think that's the point of the game just a theory though

[gilded socket]

We'll certainly never reach a point where we gain a full understanding of the lore

[stark quarry]

So its canon that Aurora is megabird? Or maybe their daughter??? Chosen one?????

[ornate rampart]

Too much lore on this concert!!

[gilded socket]

So everything is up to interpretation

@stark quarry I don't really think that can be confirmed as of right now?

[frosty crater]

she's definitely apart of the lore

[gilded socket]

Sky players: haha music vibe

The concert: THE FITNESSGRAM PACER TEST IS A-

[stark quarry]

Tbh i will just put Aurora is the daughter of megabird in my hc
I mean like she very very powerful

Also this scene tho

[ornate rampart]

We're living on her Queendom

[frosty crater]

shoot that kid had parents

[stark quarry]

At this point TGC should raise their rate
I mean like there a lot of death everywhere

[ornate rampart]

Also..... Isle of Dawn was pretty

[frosty crater]

pollution boi

[stark quarry]

Also did you guys realize isle elder is the first elder to appear on season quest?

[gentle oak]

I saw them too

[hot seal]

I was waiting for someone to point it out

[atomic lava]

just making a note to myself:
aurora can appear as:

• small/normal aurora
• giant
• light sparkles
• creatures
  she can shapeshift/choose how she appears and can choose her size

[stark quarry]

At this point she is a goddess istg

[gentle oak]

Honestly through the whole experience it felt like I was with megabird

[atomic lava]

i think she is definitely a goddess... not only all that with her form, but she changed our shapes as well, took us to ||orbit|| without us going through eden, was able to bring us to look at past times, etc... i am honestly amazed

[ornate rampart]

and lore wise, she guides us with her voice both at the beginning of the game on Isle and at the end in || orbit ||

[rugged briar]

Aurora as bits of light holding a form

[uncut bramble]

I'm here now fully expecting you guys made the whole story of the lore after the concert
Sooo
What you guys reached to?

[ornate rampart]

she's definitely our Goddess

[stark quarry]

You know i kinda laugh when i realized that AURORA collab is better than le petit prince collab
I mean they go all out!
With the animation of the creature and all!

[atomic lava]

YES i always loved that and it made me frantically lore-think even before i knew she was actually a part of the lore

[gentle oak]

I don’t think any season will beat this

[ornate rampart]

They could always bring a collab with another singer... but Aurora is special because she was part of the Sky's lore already

[gentle oak]

Honestly I don’t think they would do another singer collab season, this one was just too perfect

[worthy valley]

i think whatever the war was i think it was a civil war amongst the ancestors

[ornate rampart]

collab with Disney and getting Mickey & princess' cosmetics lol

[worthy valley]

some ancestors wanted to capture creatures of light for themselves while others strongly believed they should be kept free in the sky and they couldnt come to an agreement and someone just had to make things physical and thts what sparked a war

[ornate rampart]

I agree with someone here who said they could have been fighting in order to decide who gets the light creatures for power and energy

[worthy valley]

yaya!

[gentle oak]

My theory on the war so far is that the light creatures (mainly mantas) wanted to get revenge because of all the captured ones. Though I don’t know if revenge is a thing here, I did see a whale at the end of the warrior song. Maybe this is the same one as the one we see in wasteland? It’s very unlikely but it’s possible

[worthy valley]

maybe maybe

[burnt crow]

Valley looks like antartica here

[atomic lava]

i wonder if the war started at the same-ish time as the stuff that happened in abyss area and maybe at the same time as the one where they were catching mantas with the nets and stuff... do you guys think its possible that they were at the same time, from an organized idea above the realms, and that made them try to all go after the creatures? (sorry for jumbled paragraph of text)

[gentle oak]

Maybe valley looked way different before we came, or we could never access this area until now

[glacial chasm]

They’re the only elder that shows iirc. Maybe they were welcoming the newcomers????

[ornate rampart]

You know.... after seeing the war scene.... I guess karma worked on them and Shattering events happened.... ancestors themselves brought their cruel fate, taking with them the fate of the entire kingdom and innocent people...
This reminds me the Flood from Noah's Ark..... "God" was angry for human's behaviour and decided to create an apocalypse, saving few ones to start a new world

[hardy dragon]

I'm pretty sure some of you probably already said this but I think the light creatures was originally from the sea. I mean it makes sense right? cause they are mantas, jellyfishes, etc. But, as we can see in the beginning of the concert, the darkness polluted the sea, so the light creatures tried to find a new home. Meanwhile, the human on the land, were struggling with... something. Idk probably climate change or something. Then humans find the light creatures and think somehow they can mining the lights to change their environment. So they captured them, and war happened cause some groups think the have more rights to the light creatures than the other groups. So once again, the darkness fall. And I'm pretty sure the darkness from the sea was caused by humans as well.

[stark quarry]

Isle also covered in snow
But in today its just sand and sea around it
Could it be after the eden explode the climate in the entire sky kingdom change?

[burnt crow]

I thought it was grass that covered isle?

[stark quarry]

No no i mean before the grass
When the people traveling

[gentle oak]

That looked like sand to me, but you could be right too

[stark quarry]

Here
Its white though?

More pic

[gentle oak]

I mean the lighting in todays isle is way different which may make the sand look like snow in this isle since it’s much brighter

I mean I might be stupid too idk

[stark quarry]

Maybe

[burnt crow]

Oh wait yeah

[atomic lava]

maybe its white sand /hj

[cedar sun]

How come the child spirits are taller than us?

[cedar sun]

Possible

[atomic lava]

we havent eaten enough ramen 😔 (joking i think we are just perpetually short)

[cedar sun]

If I'm being honest, season of aurora is actually the first season where they gave us a huge ton of background lore

[atomic lava]

mhm !! they said season of shattering was the lore season (at least thats what i heard a lot) but season of aurora gave us so much that we couldnt have even guessed

[gentle oak]

It’s what shattering could have been 😔

[atomic lava]

its what shattering aspired to be and did not succeed

[round parrot]

Hope this helps
Infographic made my Alasdair

[atomic lava]

oh this is very good, thank you ! i wonder if the purple light is less of an illusion, and more of a reveal-ment? like instead of showing something that isnt there, its showing something that was there

[old bolt]

Noticed we were the different kind of butterflies during the concert?
(sorry for bad picture)

[random token]

All of this means I must listen to music and imagine a wasteland battle scene that I will never animate

[torn eagle]

Different type of butterfly and bird from light awaits

[round parrot]

Care to share

[ocean saddle]

my braincells think that the Sky COTL Universe is the Queendom the entire time

[torn eagle]

Is it safe to assume that the kid that walks up in the runaway segment of the concert runaway wayfarer?

But then the memory doesnt really match up with the one in the memory of wayfarer in isle

[solar bane]

Its more like
the concert is the detailed version of the aurora quests

[torn eagle]

Not really tho? Warrior in concert doesnt match with warrior in quests..

Does it?

[random token]

I think it might just be explaining the backstory to how mantas arrived in the riding area

[manic owl]

Can anyone explain what does last song quendoom means here?

[torpid estuary]

They have similar themes,
Warrior as the quest in my mind showing freedom in way of her helping the rider with the race
And warrior in concert showing the freedom of the mantas

[random token]

She’s a queen /hj

[torn eagle]

"That was liberating" - AURORA after Warrior

Forgot if that was the actual quote

[torpid estuary]

Hahaha yeah i think you're close to what she said i don't remember exactly either

[round parrot]

And warrior in concert showing the freedom of the mantas

What scares me are the poor unfortunate mantas that didn't make it out...

[torn eagle]

Tru TvT

Well its either theyre used for races or... insert light extraction sound

[round parrot]

light slurping

[forest iris]

What was the story for the Runaway part of the concert?

[fluid kindle]

can someone explain to me the battle in golden wasteland part?

i thought the spirits were fighting against the krills

[torn eagle]

I assume the one in the concert was before krills happened

And by seed of hope krills happened

Curious about the red beam of death and the falling blue orbs tho in the concert

[manic owl]

I got a theory abt this. In concert, warior song shows us that the ppl are catching mantas. It was for abyss factory heres the explanation https://youtu.be/6jeXpHssFHk

So manta is true form of krill before it got corupted

[round parrot]

...Oh my god...
I think the reason why the Isle Elder Crouches down is because of the pain they feel seeing their realm's inhabitance leaving... both light creature and ancestor
NOO WE NEED MORE DALETH APPRECIATION ITS DALETH DECEMBER

[torn eagle]

Aiya?

[upbeat rampart]

Wait so is the "GW fell because of war" theory confirmed?

[solar bane]

i think yea

[upbeat rampart]

I remember it competing with "GW fell because of <natural calamity>" something, those can exist side by side tho (I think)

Amazing, I mean justifies the GW elder holding a shield and spear which is more than just "to prevent any oncoming war" (since war was going on and people died and stuff)

[ebon wind]

It was quite obvious though considering all the weapons and stuff in wasteland and the baracades

[upbeat rampart]

Yes, I know but I remember somewhere in the past with people saying that it fell due to natural calamity or increase in darkness

The entire last part of GW did stand for a war-like settings but it was kind of disputed I think? Or idk I don't remember it quite so clearly

[ebon wind]

To be fair we don't really know what the war was for, a theoretically a war could be caused by a change in environment and how it was dealt with by the opposing parties

[upbeat rampart]

Given by GW elder holding two different symbol weapons, it was theorised to be about environment itself I think

[ebon wind]

The war is very mysterious, we know that light creatures were involved thanks to the concert but we don't see any krills however within the quest version of the seed we do see krills

[upbeat rampart]

I think light creatures kind of died (mostly extinct) due to this war so

[ebon wind]

Does that mean the krills were a third party or brought in near the end of the war as a last resort, or were they contained and released(unintentionally) as a result of the war?

[upbeat rampart]

That can be possible, however I highly think that krills are a result of the darkness being used differently--who were formerly mantas.

My proof point is with the vault gw floor, where the giant transparent manta is supposed to represent the krills (to me)

[ebon wind]

The giant Manta could also be the memory of an extinct type of Manta too, we know that darkstone contains memories of some kind and the vault stores that so I've always assumed that the mantas there are manifestations of those memories

[forest iris]

What was the story behind the Runaway part of the concert?

[upbeat rampart]

Possible, but the size of it reminded me more of krills and I made that association instead of seeing it standalone, it kind of did not make sense to see smaller mantas exist but larger ones kind of disappeared off of the sky world for the most part (Might have forgotten, I did not...go through sky lore after flight much, if at all)

[ebon wind]

It's like midnight here lol, sad I have to go, we were just getting into it too, love you lore chat! Hope to see you again soon! Goodnight good morning good evening and g'day from Australia!

[round parrot]

Here's my take:

A group of worshippers travel to Isle of Dawn, where the light (or in this case, Aurora), will appear

And so the group ventures off to Isle of Dawn, praying/ asking for mercy from the light during the cutscene where everyone was at the stairs center part thing, and so the light granted them boats

[upbeat rampart]

Good night! Take care, rest well as well.
I think they worship the light (and partly, the) king? I assumed it was loosely the case, given prophecy mural

[ivory warren]

I'll explain this one short and simple because I'm unwell, but here is my tske on the Aurora concert.

The songs encompass the sky world's history, but also a metaphor.

First of all, the spirits of sky seem to live alongside the light creatures in harmony, before eventually turning to harm and attack them out of greed for their own kind. In vengeance, the light creatures shut out the light, plunging the world into darkness and causing the spirits to turn to stone. However, as time passes, and the world heals, the creatures of light eventually welcome skykids, who hope they will live alongside them in harmony and work upon the mistakes of the past. The seasonal spirits we encounter in the seasons are spirits who wish to speak against the horrors of how the spirits mistreat the world around them.

Additionally, the story can also follow the idea the realms are based off of— life. The songs show the peacefulness and sweetness of life when you are young, until the world yets darker, and darker. However, there is always light and hope for you at the end.

This is all just my personal opinion on how I interpreted the meanings behind the concert, however it could be different for all!

[upbeat rampart]

Definitely, given the Eden and Valley, I think it also kind of represents how we're also "together" and kind of create a new life now, undoing (kind of / partly) the mistakes the previous generation did by misusing darkness.

I once had a theory of skykids being a kind of "piece" of the King (all skykids are, everyone representing different aspect in the loop of the "saving ancestors and making sure everyone ascends") and it kind of also could mean that they're "whole" in a way? I dunno lol, either ways, the ending was amazing and all interpretation for it sounds cool.

Also, never expected lore drops from AURORA season / confirmations

[celest spoke]

The blue missiles seemed to land in the krill spawn points iirc??

[keen wren]

Just saw the Aurora concert there’s so much lore omg

[silver dome]

They also gave off blue light, sort of like Krills, I think? This makes me wonder… Are Krills like scavengers? Maybe the fighting drew them closer to the spirits…

[hushed steeple]

Hi lore chat, saw this guy mostly was the only one with hair lol, what do you think?

[misty breach]

is that not one of the season spirits?

also lmao season of aurora giving the ancestor spirits so much trauma

[stoic wedge]

Me after learning that information:

[ocean grove]

Lore really went crazy last night

[misty breach]

yup

so much trauma for the ancestor spirits

[ocean grove]

Poor guys need a head pat

[misty breach]

They do!

[glad galleon]

so what i got from the concert

aurora is megabird

[misty breach]

yes. she is the albatross and we are hummungbirds

aka she huge we tiny

[uncut pond]

The Megabird isn't a person, at most Aurora is just somebody with a strong connection with The Light and the power to project illusions like Vault Elder

[fair lotus]

mmmm nah I’m choosing to believe shes The Light

[frigid tinsel]

I did not make this. I took it from Sophos, who is no longer active here

[atomic sorrel]

!concertwhen
Ooh one in 30 minutes
WAIT IM IN LORE CHAT 💀 SORRY EVERYONE

[pastel brook]

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[robust marten]

after reading the chat, i still not understand why they have a fight in golden wasteland ||save my brain||

[solar bane]

Like how most of the people agree aurora is indeed the sky goddess

[austere bridge]

I like to think that so much light was being ascended, that it allowed the light to have an avatar in the kingdom of sky. hence this season

[solar bane]

from my understanding
theres 2 sides
one that wants to protect the light creatures from being used as resources vs the ones that uses the light creatures as resources

[round torrent]

(sorry to interrupt) silly little theory i thought of, but heres my take on the whole sky game. i havent seen the concert yet so sorry if this sounds weird! (help me i was lazy with the whole thing sorry theres so many pics)

[robust marten]

so to these theories... we will have no end of defeating the eden and just continue knowing more of the past but can't have a bright future ?

[round torrent]

hmmmmm- maybe? its just what i thought of, haha theres a lot of loopholes and everything

[robust marten]

so crazy lol

[hybrid cloak]

Okay... This chat is huge, is there anything to read the theories you guys have?

[lusty merlin]

It might’ve been aginst eachother since there seems to be a lot fight eachother but also some are flung into the air, we got the krill from seed of hope but we don’t see a single krill in this memory. I got very little proof me cuz im still trying to figure it out, but it seemed like cyan light was falling down into the hole, and that seemed to be hitting the Gw spirits and making them fly up into the air from impact. There was this really old theory I have of the valley elders sealing wasteland: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

here, I changed a lot of stuff like what the war was about and how it started but them sealing wasteland is the main point. So maybe it could involve them somhow since we only see cyan light is only seen in an area with a ton of clouds

Again this is a stretch, and could argue it wouldn’t fit with the whole hero’s journey thing but it could be possible it was followed before skykids showed up (Salem suggested that) , plus a lot of ancestors seem to be trying to get into the vault, maybe to escape wasteland because they’re sick of being stuck under the clouds

Not sure how much sense this makes since I just woke up but yeah! Interesting to think about

[weak osprey]

They looked like they fighting each other to me

[soft timber]

appears nothing says Emotional Damage™️ than a seasonal collab like Aurora and Little Prince

[lusty merlin]

By not fitting with the whole hero’s journey thing I mean there being a good vs evil type of thing which sky doesn’t follow

[lusty merlin]

Everytime there’s a season collab now I’m just gonna be ready for pain

[sharp lichen]

THE TWO SHIELDS THEORY IS REAL THE TWO SHIELDS THEORY IS REAL

AFTER 2 YEARS IT HAS FINALLY COME TO MEEE

[rain pond]

WE REJOICE IN THE CIVIL WAR THEORY'S CONFIRMATION

[wild vortex]

I wasnt expecting seeing the reveal of two shield war in a collab season

[sharp lichen]

So here’s what I think:

The Isle of Dawn was declining even before it became a desert, with people leaving. People tried to find new opportunities mining darkstone in Forest, and then kidnapped mantas in Valley.

AND THEN THE CIVIL WAR

The blue things I believe to be Eden erupting, but one thing to note was that Wasteland was already ruined. People were fighting over the last scraps of land.

As for AURORA herself… I’m not sure. I think she’s a version of the Prophecy, ascended into a more powerful form.

[digital willow]

Wait.

Arouras cape looks like a wl emblem to me.

The orange cape that is the season emblem looks like how sky kids are depicted in murals kinda.

[whole arch]

My theory:

The ancestors were born at the Isle of Dawn when it was a lush paradise, and at some point they spread out to different realms.
In Hidden Forest they discovered a stone that absorbs light and generates power, and started using it in all those doors we find everywhere.
The Valley ancestors started kidnapping mantas and using their light to power their crystals, but the mantas kept busting out of their cages and flying to Eden, which was golden and unsealed at the time.
At some point in Sky's history they invaded Wasteland for their resources, fighting soldier and manta alike with spears while Wasteland called down light from the heavens, creating the holes in the clouds and devastating both sides.
Eventually Eden's light was sealed with a red crystal, possibly by Valley to better control the manta population, destroying a sizable chunk of Sky's environment in the process.

[uncut pond]

"THE CIVIL WAR
THE CIVIL WAR IS REEEEAL"

[severe abyss]

I’m not sure if this theory has been made before or if it’s already canon lore, but I think that we’re all one skykid spliced between different timelines that are each on a constant loop. This could explain why we’re all the exact same until we start copying traits from other spirits and choose our own personality

skykids that show dark are from a different loop but we can combine our loops by synchronizing our flames (touching candles)

The reason we’re in a loop is because after the end of our journey, the darkness in eden grows and consumes everything unless we keep resetting it

[uncut pond]

There's been a few time loop theories tho none of them have been confirmed

[earnest briar]

Nice theory, but it doesn’t make a lot of sense. If the world was in a time loop then why are Spirits able to make permanent changes to the world like in Lazy Days, or the Enchantment quests? Sunny Forest still has all the lights and underwater tunnel from Lazy Days.

[severe abyss]

Uuuummm good question

[celest spoke]

Leviathan and the krills were in big containment areas in Abyss— could there have been a deliberate attempt to mutate mantas/whales into krills?

[whole arch]

Or the containment areas are manta-powered generators and they turn into krills after losing all their light.

[uncut pond]

It is possible. It wouldn't even be the first time TGC tells such an story since Journey's War Machines were also intentionally created by that game's Ancestor equivalent

[earnest briar]

Plus the Spirits stay ascended and keep their golden color after we give them Ascended candles, even if we go through Eden again. Not to mention our wings grow stronger after giving Spirits AC and going to Orbit, which would make no sense if we were in a static time loop that never changes.

Basically, your theory is cool but there is a lot of evidence to the contrary.

[obsidian sapphire]

Hello I have a question but don’t wanna randomly change the subject

[severe abyss]

Only Darkness is affected by the loop, we keep everything but the winged lights we gave up in Eden
Idk why winged lights go back to their original places tho. I admit I haven’t considered it as much as I thought i have

[whole arch]

What's actually happening:

• At some point in Sky's history, a lot of ascended skykids were trapped in Eden.
• Our skykids' purpose for descending from Orbit is to gather their Winged Light and return it so they can escape.
• We get trapped as well, but we get our light back in a similar manner to reviving after losing all WL in other areas.
• We go to Orbit with all the other gold skykids, they give us AC as a gesture of thanks.
• We go back down, retrieve more WL and give the AC we earned to spirits, they give us their light.
• The cycle continues until all ascended skykids are home, but there's a lot so Eden runs aren't ending any time soon.

[bright pelican]

I wrote an essay on my thoughts regarding the games darker themes bc the concert made me think so much
If anyone is interested in reading it, I’d be happy to share

[cobalt palm]

So where do we think that the journey during "Through the Eyes of a Child" was based?
My thought is it is the destroyed vault / base of Eden as it is getting destroyed by the storm, trapping the spirits in darkness.

[mellow drift]

Ok this is most definitely not related (sorry to interrupt) and im sure not the best channel to ask this but, does anyone have that one concept art of the power diamond factory machines and manta cages? Ive been looking and I can only find one, the other had either a grey background or filled in grey, I had an idea while watching the aurora concert

[flint bolt]

So.
Aurora is...||Megabird?||

[frigid tinsel]

here

[spring python]

Brazil lost. Another loss for Golden Wasteland, brothers

[mellow drift]

THANK YOU SO MUCH OMG

[hoary ingot]

That’s what I was thinking when I saw her final form burst out of the clouds. Also, I thought the Valley people were kidnapping mantas for racing, but was also surprised to see the Wastelanders fighting them..?

[flint bolt]

krills are dead mantas that came back for revenge

[hoary ingot]

In the restored Prarie memory, why were all the SkyPeople kneeling. What was happening?

[olive yarrow]

It is it just me or we actually travel back in time when we were doing in the aurora concert

[whole arch]

It was actually Isle of Dawn, and seemed to be some kind of religious observance.

[hoary ingot]

Yes! I’m so used to seeing the green grass in Prairie that my mind instantly made that connection 😭

[whole arch]

The concert depicted several stages of Sky's history in different areas:

Isle - Low tech, ancestors revered the light
Forest - Ancestors discovering and mining crystals
Valley - Ancestors overhunting mantas (possibly as a light/power source), which escape and flee
Wasteland - War between two factions of ancestors (possibly over resources or ideology), the combat and industry causing immense devastation

[steep torrent]

Can I ask what is the mega bird/motherbird is? I’m lost😭

[lucid egret]

The sound krill make always made me think they were machines. Maybe a corrupt manta that got mechanical enhancements?

[hoary ingot]

I finally made the connection of Aurora’s “Seed” with its relevance to Sky, specifically GW. To me, it’s a bold lesson learned and warning that after you overuse and abuse all that is valuable in the name of greed, your status and wealth will no longer matter, because you can’t survive solely off of money, status, etc.

[whole arch]

I always thought they were segmented mantas drained of light, if you finish the Sanctuary quests you'll find a live one whose call sounds similar to a krill.

[frigid tinsel]

Megabird is the proverbial god of Sky, may or may not be analogous to the Light and/or the light cycle

[lucid egret]

OwO? Do you have a recording?
I did the sanctuary quests well over a year ago, I don’t remember

[steep torrent]

So when did we learn about this? I don’t doubt you but I just wanna know more info was it in like old files or one of the devs info ?

[frigid tinsel]

the elder manta in the Sanctuary quests just has a deep call. doesn't sound like a krill to me

[whole arch]

I don't, but you can see the segmented manta swimming in circles at Sanctuary Island after finishing the quest.

[whole arch]

It's the big guy at 6:25 in this Youtube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HLshYsCoDo
It looks like a whale with a bunch of manta fins.

[frigid tinsel]

the name Megabird comes from concept art. at the time, Megabird looked like this (first image) but not much was known about Them. it's one of the few things that might have survived to Live

[lucid egret]

Huh. Sounds like the thing you hear in the forest caves and the entrance to wasteland

[frigid tinsel]

I know what you mean. that's an elder manta, sometimes mistaken for a whale but whales have armored faces
also please don't ping me, y'all. it's in my name.

[whole arch]

Sorry about that, forgot replies ping people.

[frigid tinsel]

you can turn off the ping when replying

[random token]

I don't think the blue shards raining down on wasteland was any sort of deity, but caused by themselves because of overusing the light power

And this means time to make warrior ocs

[sharp lichen]

I think the blue shards was the result of the Eden Diamond shattering

All theories are welcome here, ||although time theories not as much||

[quick jasper]

eden looks different throughout the concert, last one i took in prairie rn

[sharp lichen]

Do you think the earlier ones were more yellow and less red?

[flint schooner]

I thought about Eden looking different, but I wasn’t completely sure! I wish we could OOB in the concert to explore better certain visual clues

[frigid tinsel]

I don’t think those are shards. It just blue/cyan light.

[random token]

I think sky time is different from our time

[sharp lichen]

It’s an interesting theory (maybe the Valley Elders tried to quell the war?), but remember that unlit darkstone is blue. Because of this, the Eden Diamond could also be blue, and blue is a symbol for darkness anyways.

[atomic grove]

After watching the concert I'm amazed how kind the mantas remain towards us despite everything the ancestors did to them. They truly are messengers of light

[frigid tinsel]

perhaps cos skykids aren't ancestors

[spice musk]

Aight so lore chat, a long while back someone mentioned the lore of battlefield area of golden wasteland, there were two different symbols yeah? Like there was 2 different groups battling eachother....well, uhhh, in the part of the concert showing the battle, i legit saw 2 of those guys have a sword against eachother....i feel that might confirm the theory???

I know sky is just full of lore and we can't fully confirm anything but sharing it!!

[slate saffron]

WOAH WHAT’S THIS FROM

[tepid sedge]

I've had quite literally all day to think about this, but Resh/Eden King is essentially the Onceler from the Lorax. My reasoning
-Both destroyed the world around them for their people
-They disregarded all warnings because they were essentially blinded by a goal
-Both realized they destroyed everything once it was too late
-Both rely on an outside force of good to repair their damage and fix things

[spice musk]

stolen from one of pics above but legit omg

[dry vale]

Can we talk about the relevance of Aurora in the lore

[frigid tinsel]

I think that's what's going on right now

[dry vale]

I see

[frigid tinsel]

the Aurora concert

[scenic siren]

After watching the concert, I noticed:

• Isle elder mask was broken from before shiny prince come. Maybe grandpa was bad at landing and hit face into mountain when fell from Megan
• Prince seems not weirded out by row of people crawling after him. That might be a common farewell way of Isle people
• Forest cave used to be flooded, water flows down from the holes above. Mining while swimming is hard. Now cave no longer flood, maybe later elder used water magic to make rain stop at Sunny Forest (where the hole leads up to) so mining dark stone would be easier
• Part of snow at Valley seems to melt in summer (I let my manta belly flop )
• The ancestors used long range magic missiles in war (shiny thing hit ground and blew up humans). The red beams from the hole that grill birds instantly seems like a thing of fire magic (in beam turret? from elder?) some ground-to-air stuff to fight missiles, but then ran out of light, beam stop and a human managed to stab spear into temple door button (maybe successfully opened it)

[regal forge]

Hey since we transformed from butterflies to sky kids in the concert, promptly followed by going into orbit
Do you think sky kids are like,,, reborn versions of the innocent light creatures killed off by the ancestors?
Maybe a mix of both creatures and ancestors that died in vain?
And that’s why we have light and aspects of light creatures, but also look like ancestors?

It could also be the reason we were able to relive those memories in the concert (not to mention BE different creatures)
We already had them from PAST rebirths

[spice musk]

Not to mention i'm wondering who was trying to capture the mantas, as well as they were getting taken out in gw area in concert song thing

[uncut pond]

I believe SkyAurora just has the power to create illusions from memories, not unlike the Vault of Knowledge, and experiencing these events from the point of view of Light Creatures is something TGC and AURORA believed might help make the emotional impact of the stories bigger

[scenic siren]

Juice manta to power beam turret, I think

[spice musk]

plus even before season of aurora, aurora is kinda an essential part of sky in my opinion, cause she's the voice that calls us at isle of dawn, then on journey and in orbit, plus credits. Makes me wonder if she's actually a part of the history, or just had the power to show us some of the past memories

Cause also, the quests are us hearing the stories, and it's like we bring them back to her so she may share more of it, or something? i'm literally just typing out what i'm thinking as i think it

[wheat patrol]

It's pretty heavy in lore while being unassuming...

[hushed steeple]

I was thinking, during the concert everyone was light creatures that were colored based off of their capes. I wonder if the light capes are made from come from the creatures?

Could there have been different colored light creatures, and had either been killed for their color, or had their color harvested from them

[scenic siren]

If so yellow and white must be most disliked colors in that world, all light creatures left now are yellow and white

[white obsidian]

Or possibly just the most common-- perhaps rarer colors were more desired and that's why they all dissapeared so easily

[scenic siren]

I would like a purple manta

Maybe the ancestors just used regular fabric capes and dye them with colors from plants. There is a lot of colorful flowers in game. Easier to collect than purple manta

[white obsidian]

That makes a lot more sense

[scenic siren]

While watching cat rubbing head into Christmas tree, I realised why sky kids makes little hearts when they bonk into hard surfaces. With those blob hands, poor kids can't scratch and must be very itchy. They need a back scratcher.

[flint schooner]

I couldn’t manage to get a better picture, but I noticed a peculiar spirit amongst those battling (I mean, they are the only one with hair)

Has anybody else noticed this?

[hushed steeple]

That would be the case If the ancestors made regular non-flying capes, but the light based capes are made of pure light, so maybe they found a kind of light to make cape fabric out of.

[high escarp]

the ancestors didnt fly though, their capes are different

they only have one wedge of light (likely due to being the default state of a cape) but even then ones with and without capes are incapable of flight, so its likely different when a sky kid is given a blessing to copy their appearance

[hushed steeple]

Yeah

[tribal junco]

i think the mask cracked from aging(isle elder is visibly old) although i'm not sure if this is correct

[daring chasm]

I hate that this is lore 😭 they abused those mantas

[hushed steeple]

Ikr, I thought mantas had the same relationship with the ancestors as they did with Sky kids

[wheat patrol]

Just like today, there were good people and bad people. I mean... Look at sanctuary islands.

[hushed steeple]

Yeah, and the Wind Paths

[wheat patrol]

Exactly.

I think it's good that they don't shy away from that darker aspect of the lore

[hushed steeple]

Yes, and I love how much it puts us in the role of a historian, or an archeologist, or since we explore a long fallen kingdom to learn more about it.

[soft timber]

We are the historians and archeologists of Sky, but with the body and mindset of children

[thin helm]

i agree and think this has to do with the sky kids are creatures of light thing

[thin helm]

this is what keeps me so drawn to sky uncovering ancient history tickles my brane so hard

[naive flare]

Alright so this place is exploding isnt it? Im diving in

[wheat patrol]

Exactly...

[soft timber]

Me: I want to learn more about our Kingdom
Also me: accidentally discovers some out of bounds stuff just trying to get to a candle faster

[sharp lichen]

Cope harder, Ancestors were not as good as us

[solemn glacier]

Hi lorechat! Question: if I wanna learn more about Sky lore, what do I do? Reas the entirety of the chat or is there a place all ideas are collected together?

[naive flare]

Sass aside, you think humans aren’t actively destroying environments and poaching animals this very second?

[uncut pond]

I think Baud might be referring to Sky Kids

[potent sedge]

So what do y'all think about the bright blue lights falling into GW

[soft timber]

Lol

[naive flare]

Oh man, i found out through asking specific parts on this chat because there are a LOT of different parts of lore and a LOT of different interpretations of everything, but i mean i would love to find a big file too 👀

[naive flare]

Ah well thats fair enough lol, it just struck me a strange to say

[wheat patrol]

This is real. We tend to forget the lore sometimes. I know i do. Lol

[soft timber]

Truth tho, like I find the most random lore stuff just minding my own business

[lean kayak]

Warrior of love and seed of hope made me tear up

I felt sad for the caught mantas

[severe abyss]

Can’t eat money was my favorite, but they’re all amazing

I haven’t listened to the last one since I need to see the concert to unlock it

[slender pewter]

(dont worry i turned off ping) wow imagine if it did just shut down we would have no sky concert but wait youve known about aurora for two years? bro i would have such a hard time keeping that a secret 😭

[stoic echo]

Did you see how the were breaking out of the cages? Maybe the mantas fled to GW and were hunted there until they were cornered then turned into Dark Dragons.

[soft timber]

This is so cool to know this! Like Imagine having years of content already planned so that if they are having a hard time or need more time to come up with something, they can still release content while they do so

[wanton fossil]

Did anyone else notice the obvious lore of the lush isle of dawn and valley filled with water in the concert

[white junco]

yea

[round aurora]

aurora concert spoilers:
||is there any lore about what aurora actually is like in terms of the game? like is she a deity?? is aurora god?????||

||the way she looked during the actual songs reminded me of winged light so i have a mini theory that aurora was actually one of the first winged lights to fall or she is a deity to the people of sky||

||also the last song made me think that maybe she is some sort of deity or goddess of sky because they chose the song queendom||

[mental oracle]

Sure felt like it to meeee

||I definitely felt like it was a religious experience ||

[silk kiln]

The last song got me thinking because how Aurora just led us through the rebirth place without having to go through anything traumatic like Eden's "squish them with a rock" tactic

[untold notch]

didn't get any ac tho because we didn't save any kids which is unfortunate

[narrow marsh]

Something super crazy to me was that season of aurora finally once and for all debunked the creature war theory, confirmed the civil war, and set us on track towards the two shields theory being studied more, all via one quest lol.
Its super important because before this the sorting of what is and is not presently canon from tom zhaos timeline was all generally speculation, but now we have confirmation that some parts of tom zhaos timeline concepts stuck into modern sky, and some things definitely didnt 💀

[stoic wedge]

Reminder that Sky Animation Project also depicted this.

Except it's way more civilization.

[untold notch]

the animation project coming out will be a Lore Chat Event for sure

[severe abyss]

Is that permanent? I kinda prefer the desert look

[stark marten]

It's not permanent, it's only accessible during a certain portion of the concert

[stoic wedge]

It's basically flashback lore moment, yeah. Doesn't affect the actual game itself.

[fickle folio]

What if Aurora was a prophet and alive and grew up in the same age group as Alef/Resh/ the first sky kid on the Isles?

[uncut pond]

Aurora was most likely some sort of religious figure or maybe even some kind of activist, and a person very connected with The Light
I wouldn't say prophet since all she does in-game is show old memories

[sharp lichen]

I was refferring to us the Skykids

[native shoal]

I can’t believe we got this much lore from a crossover, I was expecting it to be like shattering on clarity but this is the most clear I’ve ever seen the in game stuff

[uncut pond]

In all fairness we also had Abyss which was very clear as well
Edit: you're right Baud, tho I wouldn't say prophecy was as clear as Abyss and Aurora were

[sharp lichen]

This document has some ideas collected together, it can help: https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

[clear umbra]

Hello may I share my idea of lores here like from the king/prince or shattering something something I'm kinda new chatting here in lore discussion

[frigid tinsel]

Just shoot

[latent loom]

I really think AURORA is supposed to be a physical manifestation of Megabird, partially because of the concert stories being more from the light creatures’ perspective, partially because of how she greets us in this goddess-like form ||before leading us through Orbit to be reborn||

[gilded topaz]

Let’s talk about how Aurora is secretly one of the gods in the sky kingdom

[clear umbra]

Sooo …. Morning, afternoon, and good evening maybe, I just wake up from depression lol, first of the sky we can see the Nintendo trailer that sky was a peaceful and a lovely place just like on the isle of dawn, but what happened? Why they are running away? Because of the war between light and dark? Or maybe, It happened when the king (prince or whatever it called by him ) tried to experiment on different creatures just like on aurora concert on Valley of Triumph they trying to capture the mantas for a secret experiment. So, I think why the Golden Wasteland was the first thing that the king go to, why did I say that because of the very end there's a star on the top of the broken temple. And started there the war well, in long story short it was the king's fault, well maybe, his the one who keep trying on the experiments to make it into a better place but maybe and just maybe he accidentally overcome the dark. That's why on season of shattering at the very end there's two sky kids on top of the shard maybe and maybe one of the sky kid is actually king hugging one of the chosen one that fall on the sky and overcome the light that why we have Eye of Eden. No one can get to the Shard but one only and that's the chosen one. (Also that why in season of shattering have a memory of mantas, krills, jellyfish, and the elder's that trying to stop king on everything, and etc...) But hey it's just a theory a SKY THEORY
maybe just to be clear u can ask me anything I'm still working on this lol.

[versed reef]

Thats a great theory! I also looked into the 4th song in the aurora concert (warrior)
It showed people in boats trapping the poor mantas and the mantas seem to fly away, also the fact you are a manta yourself makes me wonder if you were in the story yourself.

[gilded topaz]

Personally I think she may be a prophet like being. In the concert she was shown enhancing a memory drastically, transforming all skykids and travelling the realms. She even goes straight through Eden like an absolute sky boss.

[uncut pond]

I don't think we ever go through Eden or Orbit during the concert, because when the song ends all the Skids are right in the seats where they were before the song, when it has been shown that after being reborn we just land onto the ground in a not particularly ceremonious manner
I'm very sure she just has memory-projection magic not unlike the one in Vault of Knowledge

One could also easily dismiss Aurora away from the canon as "TGC just put her in because a.her music slaps and b.they wanted to show us those lore flashbacks and thought this was the perfect opportunity" but that's no fun so I chose to not believe that

[sharp lichen]

Yeah, it’s not like we were literally time traveled to the beginning of Isle

[violet sable]

It's a memory, but she still resurrected the innocent children back then and we know she is likely a manifestation of megabird because she says "I made this queendom on my own"

[uncut pond]

What children

[clear umbra]

AURORA means the goddess the name itself of aurora is dawn, maybe I think she was the sky kid of the shattering hugging with the king tho just like my theory she suffer from a tragic war between light and dark idk it's my theory anyway lol

[violet sable]

Also, she was a tree before she became herself as explained in Exhale Inhale and she imparts a portion of her light to us, identical to how megabird is a part of us because it imparts light to children

When we fly past the child statue in the song eyes of a child, the resurrection begins. While in the memory we don't die, but the idea is that she forgave the spirits for polluting the environment and abusing mantas and let them ascend.

[uncut pond]

I really don't think you're supposed to take the lyrics at face value since the songs weren't even made for Sky

[violet sable]

Another thing I learned from TLP just yesterday is that dark water has an intoxicating effect on those who drink it, which could explain why krills are so aggressive because they come out of dark water

[violet sable]

"I was a living thing (a plant) before I was a human being" and they show her as a blooming tree while she sings those lyrics

[atomic lava]

i feel like that might be a different sort of dark water maybe fermented since it was in that big pot closed off for so long ? that might be why it has that effect

[violet sable]

Maybe so

[uncut pond]

I'm pretty sure that's what people call "symbolism*

[atomic lava]

be kind... dont tell others how to interpret lore, its all opinions and conjecture (/nm)

[violet sable]

Similar to how democrats and republicans interpret the constitution differently but neither are objectively right or wrong (except in the past when Repubs. did interpret one thing the law didn't mean which was why the law was amended)

[uncut pond]

Eh, I wouldn't say bad-faith interpretations of the law, media illiteracy, and comprehensive interpretations of media are all that similar.
Laws can only be interpreted in different ways due to loopholes in the system allowing people to ignore the cultural and historical context laws were written in
Media can sometimes be ambiguous by design, so having different interpretations is reasonable, but even that doesn't change the fact that proper context is needed to analyze it. Things still have to make enough sense given the message and tone, so even if an interpretation is technically not incorrect because of a lack of in-universe counterproof it can still be deemed wrong due to not fitting with the tone and message or the historical/cultural context

[terse prism]

Skykids and ancestors are two different races right

[atomic lava]

yes !

[uncut pond]

Kinda

[violet sable]

My brain:

[molten wedge]

Facts

[soft ledge]

In the Great Sky War, the Ancestors weren't only fighting the light creatures, they were fighting each other too.

I guess there were 3 factions in the war. There was the

• Greedy Ancestors
• Light Creatures
• Light Sympathizers (Ancestors who fought alongside the Light creatures)

Looks like not all of the Ancestors we're fighting for greed, some were fighting to defend the Light creatures too.

That explains the Spear rain in The Seed on Seed of Hope's memory and in the concert.

That and there's also two Ancestors fighting on the right side in the The Seed section of the concert

And there's this frame in Through the Eyes of a Child, which shows an Ancestor mourning for his manta.

It you think about it, losing a manta is the equivalent of losing your dog/cat

[soft ledge]

Sky kids and Ancestors might be related because Skids are a hybrid of Ancestors and Light Creatures. Skids have naturally dark skin and wear mask like most Ancestors do, but they also have the Flight capabilities of Light Creatures possess and can glow in the dark.

[spring python]

Am I going insane or is Aurora a god

[soft ledge]

It seems to be implied that way, so yes. Aurora is the Mother of The Light

[polar forge]

Goddess

[sharp lichen]

Shifting interpretations are a big factor of why the season of Aurora is so great.

When you first relive the Warrior of Love quest and hear the song, you expect the empowering song to be about the spirit.

But in the concert, the lyrics reveal more and center towards the mantas as the true focus of the song.

[naive flare]

Hey so in the seed song, where do the blue blasts originate from? I was trying to pay attention and it seemed like they kinda just appeared… next to aurora, was she causing them??

Also someone mentioned there were similar red blasts that were the things that knocked you out as a bird, but i didn’t see those, can anyone confirm if they existed too? Or was it just from more blue blasts

[spring python]

I got that idea from the whole opening her arms like she’s asking who’s her little pogchamps

[soft ledge]

Aurora was punishing the Ancestors for their hubris and greed

[naive flare]

Absolutely, and its so cool having this revelation because she has always been the voice to call us home, to isle of dawn and orbit

[sharp lichen]

I don’t know, there are two prevailing theories:

It could represent the element of air (that specific color is used a lot elsewhere), and given The Valley Elders used to possess that and the fact that Valley and Wasteland were one kingdom, it opens up the reason for their separation.

Or, since darkness typically manifests in the color of blue, maybe it’s a wave of darkness. It also falls similar to the Shattering Shards.

[spring python]

Do you think they’re lending her their memories when they do this? And that’s what she uses to create the concert images?

[soft ledge]

The orb is actually "Aurora's voice" since when you finish reliving them, it says "Return to Aurora, now that another voice has been heard"

[spring python]

Ic

[soft ledge]

Im guessing that memories are tied to music then. It gives a much more accurate projections of memory compared to the regular relives most spirits offer

That's why Aurora uses them to give us the most accurate relive of the history of Sky

[pseudo flax]

So the battlefield received new lore this season or i was missing it?

[soft ledge]

Yes, in the Concert, Aurora showed us the Great Sky War.

The Ancestors we're fighting amongst themselves and the Light Creatures. Im guess that there was 3 factions in the war

[pseudo flax]

I had a theory way before and it got way stronger now....

[uncut pond]

Not really. This concert mostly just confirmed things that have always been in the game since launch, the concert just showed us much more clearly the specific events

[pseudo flax]

Krill, in my theory, used to be creatures of light

For some reason they lost their light and now they are trying to get it back, that's why they attack light, they are trying to rekindle

Knowing what really happened in battlefield it makes more sense, krill s could've been the last resource from the light creatures

[uncut pond]

There's no proof that Aurora punished anyone. There isn't even proof that the blue blasts were even intentionally sent by anyone, although if there's anyone that would be a suspect it's the Valley Elders since their realm posseses the blue light and the Twins have the cyan light

[pseudo flax]

I never knew the war was against light creatures...

[uncut pond]

It was between ancestors, light creatures were simply on one of the sides. Mantas were most likely used as horses by the troops

[soft ledge]

Krills was a result of Light extraction methods used by the Ancestors to harvest Light. They showed this in Season of Abyss and how they extract light from light creatures, starting from mantas and to the giant dark dragon underneath the ocean

[atomic lava]

i agree with this but.... then what about the krill? (/gen) they appeared to already be dark dragons in the quest so was it a four-sided war?

[pseudo flax]

Krill already exist in abyss, they are just freed

[soft ledge]

Okay maybe this is how it went down

The greedy Ancestors were running out of firepower necessary to win the war, so they resorted in extracting Light from bigger creatures to create a massive shift in power.

[pseudo flax]

Also there were no krill in battle they appeared AFTER the war so it doesn't makes really sense if they are from abyss since it's probably pre war

[atomic lava]

its definitely a theory but it doesnt make sense to me, especially since nobody in their right mind would trust their enemy to become an ally just because they lose their light 😔 maybe if they were desperate but theres no signs that anyone was actually winning that war from what i see

[soft ledge]

No no, Krills are actually light creatures that used to be prominent anywhere in the realms. They have the uncorrupted version of Krill in Sky: Animation back when Sky was ported on Switch

The Abyss was some sort of factory where they abduct light creatures and extract their light there. It would make sense why there are krills trapped in there

[terse prism]

Ouhhoho do you have screenshots
I'd like to see them (the slow timer 😭😭)

[pseudo flax]

Forest also used to extract but there are no krill s there

Maybe bc forest is lot smaller and couldn't handle bigger creatures??

[pseudo flax]

This looks like a whale to me tbh

[soft ledge]

Back when they were a light creatures, they were big enough to be used as carriages, similar to how we use horses to pull carriages.

@pseudo flax indeed, but they share similar properties with the krills, see those headlights?

[polar forge]

War Machine vibes, either that or I've played too much journey

[soft ledge]

This is what they look like when zoomed on their face

[pseudo flax]

Headlights got me

I would say it maybe just lanterns from Spirits but it's really very similar to krill spotlight

[atomic lava]

the light is definitely a krillish feature but it honestly just looks like a bright-eyed doublewing manta to me, hardly like a dragon the way the krill look

[soft ledge]

It's because the light creatures loses the rounded fin features once their light is extracted. I could show you what the Giant Dark Dragon looked like back when it was still a light creature, but I'll have to go back to Abyss and take a screenshot of the mural

[pseudo flax]

Anyway my theory still holds, maybe they released the krill to tide the war, and it actually brought doom for everything

And krill s are indeed creatures of light that lost their light, so their attack may just be trying to rekindle

[soft ledge]

Or it's just agitated since it attack everything that moves, even Ancestors, otherwise why would they avoid Krills when they can't even generate their own light at all

[pseudo flax]

I think ancestors also had light in some way, I think all spirits did

Crabs didn't and krill s don't attack them

[soft ledge]

Alrighty I'll brb, gtg and take a screenshot of the mural in Abyss

[atomic lava]

there are lots of possibilities but honestly i just think theyre very different creatures when the crabs became dark crabs, they hardly changed except they got mad ig /hj

[pseudo flax]

Tbh I think two different wars happened at the battlefield and we saw both of them this season

[spring python]

Atp I’m convinced Aurora music inspired Sky to begin with idk if it’s confirmed or not, but this single line feels like it already covers half the lore

[white obsidian]

They're angry because the darkness particles are itchy and they can't get them off/j

[pseudo flax]

She's involved since the beginning so I wouldn't bet against it

[copper saffron]

am i the only one who thinks that aurora isnt a god

[round parrot]

Good morning
How is lorechat rn

[pseudo flax]

Oh no she's just a singer, a bard

[white junco]

i think megabird is such a huge fan They lent her some of Their power

[atomic lava]

😔 theyre just like me fr ! texture issues, those poor crabs

[rigid mural]

YEAH TBH
Exhale Inhale too ! The lyrics fit Sky so well, it's incredible.

[copper saffron]

to me, exhale inhale is megabird talking to the skykids about its creation and what it thinks about what happened with the ancestors

[keen shore]

you’re right, that’s just what white people are like in Sky

[rigid mural]

During the song in the concert, you see things animated when in contact with the "voice"/light, and becoming overcome with darkness once it leaves them.

I saw it as an introduction, whatever the light is, not much is alive.

If you could fly and be the bird, then you would see the forest burn
Looking at
The 4th Prophecy mural with the orange light in a forest fire...

[keen shore]

The part with the flooded forest made me think of Spade

[rigid mural]

That's funny because it made me think of you !

[spring python]

Someone mentioned how Heathens also seems to fit a lot

[round parrot]

YES HEATHENS
THAT ONE IS MY FAVOURITE

[keen shore]

the parts where we were birds reminded me of you…

[cobalt patio]

Just learned that there’s lore to this game

I just was like “wow pretty game imma explore the whole map”

[rigid mural]

With no solution for the scared, tasting pollution in the air```
Given that the "Exhale Inhale" part right after has ancestors circling you, I like to think that part could fit how they felt near the end of it all...

[white obsidian]

You just need to scrub em with a toothbrush like a turtle after you flip em

[frigid tinsel]

I think Aurora's music tends to fit Sky because both of environmentalist and collectivist emotional themes

[round parrot]

Oh wait are we analysing lyrics rn?
Or just the songs in general

[atomic lava]

yes !! and make sure to take your sanctuary crabs to the nice crab island for a playdate to make them feel better when you finish

[soft ledge]

I think crabs are just being crabs. Nothing special about them since they're already grounded creatures. But anyways, i found the mural! I had a stranger help me with it xD

This is what the giant dark dragon looked like back when it was still a light creature. Rounded fins instead of sharp tendrils

[white obsidian]

Okay I know I was joking but thinking about the few regular crabs in the crab pot in Wasteland-- perhaps they were cleaned for proper consumption?

Maybe that's why they didn't change much either, the darkness is external rather than internal

[rigid mural]

That is when you let them in
Let them in before they go
I would rather feel alive with a childlike soul
With a childlike soul```
This made me feel Things™️, it fits the experience of playing skykids so well. Youthful beings not yet hardened by trauma letting themselves be vulnerable with eachother. 

That and the juxtaposition with all these dead ancestors and creatures... yeah. They will never come back like they used to be, but we can still see them in the stars ("they will all be your friends") and try to learn from what went wrong to never do it again...

[atomic lava]

actually theyre specifically called dark crabs ! ^_^ at least for sure on the wiki but im pretty sure in a livestream i heard they were dark crabs then too, when someone was asked if there were any light crabs

[keen shore]

these lyrics also made me think of you,

[frigid tinsel]

there's a reason I have this song on loop

[soft ledge]

If there were any light crabs, the thought of them being able to fly is terrifying since they're already aggressive to begin with 💀

Just imagine flying spiders, but worse

[frigid tinsel]

not all beings of light fly. see: turtle

[round parrot]

Oh and the fish

[soft ledge]

I feel like they can, they just don't do it often since they're used to swimming

[atomic lava]

i doubt they were able to fly but that would be a bit scary to see one coming at you lol

[hot spoke]

Aren't the nice crabs from sanctuary and graveyard light crabs?

[soft ledge]

But the common traits Light creatures often share is Bioluminescence (Can generate light naturally) and Flight

[frigid tinsel]

beings of light just have to have light. ancestors are beings of light but cannot fly on their own

[round parrot]

Ok but seriously I don't really think that Heathens would fit as much as the other songs, it is just that Heathens is talking about a specific topic, not the general audience. While the songs in the concert talk to the general audience about a general topic (Exhale Inhale, Runaway, All is Soft Inside, etc.)

[round parrot]

Those crabs are still corrupted, just less hostile than the crabs we mostly see

[soft ledge]

No, you're mistaking them for Ancestor spirits.

Ancestor spirits are the soul of Dead Ancestors. When they were still alive, they're dark creatures who are grounded and can't generate light on their own.

[atomic lava]

if by graveyard crabs you mean the ones at the fire, i have a theory its possible theyre nice because they recognize that you freed them, but they might also be nice because by being put above the fire the darkness was burned out of them (but its just a theory)

[round parrot]

A turtle literally has a shell on its back and you think it can fly?

What's next flying pigs? /s

[keen shore]

All light creatures can fly but some of them can only do it once.

[frigid tinsel]

ancestors don't gain light when they die. they have souls made of light, therefore even when they were alive they are beings of light. being grounded is not a trait limited to beings of light given krill, dark creatures, can fly.
also please stop pinging me.

[soft ledge]

Example of:

Light Creatures

• Butterflies
• Birds
• Jellyfish
• Manta
• That big giant whale in the Jellyfish cave
• Krills (Now corrupted due to Light extraction)

Dark Creatures:

• Crabs
• Ancestors (ALIVE ANCESTORS, NOT ANCESTOR SPIRITS)

Remember, Light Creatures are Bioluminescent and Capable of flight, if someone doesn't possess any of those traits, then they aren't considered light creature.

Ancestors (ALIVE) can't fly, and aren't bioluminescent, so they fall in the category of Dark Creatures

[round parrot]

Kind of like how not all birds can fly, penguins and ostriches don't fly unlike other birds

[keen shore]

Alive Ancestors are bioluminescent! Have you seen the switch trailer? Their eyes glow, just like ours do from inside our shell! :3

[lusty merlin]

I love that their eyes glow sm, lil flashlights

[soft ledge]

Those are just mask

Ancestors wear mask like we do, if you remove that mask, they're faceless

[atomic lava]

best explanation ive seen yet !!!

[untold notch]

average valley spirit death

[soft ledge]

I will explain why the Ancestors are dark creatures, it'll just take a long time since i have to gather some screenshot of evidences

[keen shore]

Hot take: there are no dark creatures in Sky besides corrupted ones such as krill and corrupted, which are equivalent to zombies & suffering from an illness, not necessarily living species on their own. Ancestors, crabs, & turtles are all light creatures

[sharp lichen]

Counterpoint: Void of Shattering

[lusty merlin]

Not all of though most have diamond eyes, I can think of like only two ancestors that are faceless (blushing and and another ancestor in ceremonial worshipper’s memory)

[frigid tinsel]

ancestors are bioluminescent – in the Switch release animated trailer, living ancestors are depicted with glowing eyes. they can also manipulate light, which means they have light themselves that can attune to the light around them. since light allows bonding, they have to have light internally that allows them to connect with light externally.

likewise, in the new Isle intro, it's said that "they were given breath by starlight." this also indicates that they lived because of light.

[keen shore]

Void of shattering is (in my opinion) not a living creature — it’s a bunch of light creature memories that got sucked inside the Eden Diamond when a vacuum was created at the moment of shattering. Hence, its name & why it fades as we release more and more of the memories

[rigid mural]

You can take crabs to geysers, ancestor memories too if you're not a coward (some will even sprint to you).

[lusty merlin]

You can put them in geysers??? (ik what im doing when I get in sky again)

[keen shore]

Man, I wish Backflip had known about this before the accident

[sharp lichen]

Considering the Void of Shattering is conscious enough to, well… be a guide, it has to have some sort of control and is thus living

[round parrot]

Oh yeah!
I completely forgot about that

Hmm... But would that be considered as jumping really high like as if you went too high after jumping on a trampoline?

[keen shore]

Counterpoint: the memories are sentient to an extent & that’s what’s “communicating” with us. Think of an entity that’s basically a blend of a thousand fragmented memories of a thousand creatures all at a single moment. It has the minds of all those creatures, combined; it speaks with all their voices, & it holds their singular desire, to be free.

That’s the void of shattering. It is sentient, but not living… I’m not really sure how it would be ‘alive’ to be honest. It’s a void

[south oracle]

If you throw it hard enough, anything can fly.

[potent sedge]

I'm still wondering something about Eden that still doesn't really add up.
We know there are statues and stuff, and all of them are going towards the crystal or reaching out to it, but..... why?
Why are we going towards the crystal?

Are we trying to prevent another Shattering from happening [if the final memory from SoSh was any indication of a previous one]?

I recall in one of the SoSh memories that the krill have a 'twisted reflection' or something like that and that crabs or mantas [i can't remember] are going towards the false light [which could mean the crystal in eden].

[keen shore]

I think we’re trying to fix the diamond. It’s pretty clearly the thing causing most of the darkness throughout the world, and the logic is that stopping it means that darkness stops getting everywhere. Like how when you clean up a water spill you stop the source of the water first before making any attempt to clean up the spill itself.

The interesting thing is that our skykid almost constantly has Eden on their mind from the moment they first wake up in the world, so you could make an argument that they’re always known about & are heading towards the diamond. They wake up thinking their duty is to stop it. I’m not sure if I’m going to say that’s true quite yet or if we just realize the diamond is what’s causing everything when we see it & it clicks, but it is a possibility

[cobalt palm]

Petition to throw the diamond into the abyss to see what happens

[uncut pond]

I hold a similar interpretation, but about Megabird instead. I don't think The Light itself is really an entity, but rather a collection of memories (and in the case of ancestors, their spirits) but it isn't like, conscious or sentient despite its individual components being able to manifest separately at will

In this sense, the Void would be like, an "antagonist" of sorts to The Light, filling the archetype of the Dragon/Rival character (although neither of them would really be individual characters), being really similar in a superficial level but having very contrasting elements fundamentally

[keen shore]

I want to try this but unfortunately cannot pick it up quite yet

[sharp lichen]

There’s also the final quest, showing something falling into the Void of Shattering. Whatever it is, I believe it’s the sentient form of what the Void of Shattering is now.

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

The something has great similarity to the King/Resh/Eden Elder, as my theory above tries to show

[uncut pond]

Sadly we don't even know if the something, whatever it is, is even falling into the Void or being launched outwards from it, since we know the giant diamond (or the beam below) can push things upwards with immense strength

[frigid tinsel]

not to take Baud's side but there is a vortex above the thing suggesting it is going downwards.

[uncut pond]

Yeah good point, although we still have no idea of what the thing is even if it does greatly resemble concept King/Prince's mask

I kinda wish shattering memories had higher poly/more detailed models that weren't so obscured and hard to look at, even it the thing itself still remained a mystery, because even then we could have a better idea of what we were looking at more easily

[keen shore]

I’m not really sure what to do with That Thing. It’s just sort of inexplicably there

[keen shore]

see that’s the immediate resemblance but why would they be on top of the diamond?? any explanation as to that just feels silly

[uncut pond]

EXACTLY like Why is it There. how

[sharp lichen]

Maybe the Eden Temple was higher than the Eden Diamond? If the original structure was intact, it could’ve reached higher up.

[keen shore]

They were doing backflips on top 💔

[uncut pond]

Still, we don't even know what The Thing is. Is it a mask? A head whose body disintegrated (this one is too anime to be canon to Sky tbh)? Perhaps just a broken part of a statue? Did Storm have a mecha like in concept art? WHAT IS IT

[keen shore]

I cannot remember who it was I want to say Vela? Mentioned that it might be a turret head, which makes marginally more sense if it fell on top somehow but hmmm

[soft ledge]

Why Ancestors are considered Dark Creatures

Exhibit A:
Ancestors are flightless. They are a grounded creatures that's not capable of flight, that's why they use Mantas and other light creatures as a mode of transportation.

(1/3)

Due to slow mode, this exhibit is split into 3 parts. Kindly wait for the others to arrive before making a comment about this

Exhibit B:
Ancestors don't possess bioluminescence (the ability to naturally produce light) all Light Creatures share, they don't glow in the dark at all. While the eye on their mask glow, they're still considered a Dark Creatures due to how insignificant their eye glow is. Even crab eyes glow, but there's still called Dark crabs.

(2/3)

[regal forge]

King did a swan dive into the shard after dropping 5 candles into it on accident

[frigid tinsel]

Only hostile crabs are call dark crabs

[soft ledge]

"Oh Holy Moth 🤣 we've seen Ancestors fly in the orbit before don't be silly!"

Exhibit C:
I can't believe i have to explain this multiple times. The Ancestors we see in the orbit are SPIRITS. Spirits of DEAD ANCESTORS.

Do you difference between Alive Ancestors and Spirits? Yes, one is glowing and the other isn't. That's because one of them is dead. You know how ghosts can walk through walls and fly? That's the same thing with spirits, you can do all sorts of scary and impossible hijinks when you're dead.

That's why the Spirits show up when you walk near their tombstone, they're still considered Ancestors, just a dead one 💀

(3/3)

[keen shore]

I’m not really sure why a dark creature would magically turn into a being of light upon dying if that light wasn’t already within them, tbh

[regal forge]

I think dark creatures need to be hostile against light or light creatures to be ‘dark creatures’
Not to mention their eyes glow red
Krills also fly which turns down the flightless meaning dark creature theory

[frigid tinsel]

Also spirit memories depict what the ancestors did while alive. Levitating Adept and the ancestors in their memory were capable of telekinesis when alive

[soft ledge]

You don't need a light to be a Spirit
It's kinda like how humans become ghost upon death, there's no real explanation as to why this happens or if it's even real or not.

We'll just have to let the Spirit theory sleep for now until more information shows up

[uncut pond]

A) grounded =/= dark. Also Ancestors could levitate while alive like Alasdair said.
B) light crabs exist, only corrupted ones are dark
C) I can't believe I have to explain this multiple times. ANCESTORS CAME FROM THE STARS. THEY'RE FALLEN STARS. THEY'RE MADE OF STARLIGHT. LIGHT. MANTA SPIRITS ALSO ARE TRANSLUCENT JUST LIKE ANCESTOR SPIRITS AND THAT DOESN'T MAKE ALIVE MANTAS DARK. Why is that so hard to understand. It makes no sense to have ancestors be dark creatures when THEY CAN ASCEND TO THE LIGHT WITH US.

[regal forge]

I believe ancestors are a neutral creature
Neither light nor dark
Similar to non-hostile crabs and the turtle

[keen shore]

I think I’m gonna stick with the idea that ancestors are light creatures & their spirits are the light that was inside their bodies, to be honest. It makes more sense to me and it explains where spirits come from in an easy way, whereas this concept doesn’t as much /gen

[soft ledge]

What's sets the Ancestors apart from most Dark creatures is that they can use magic! Really cool right.

That's how Ancestors built their civilization in the first place. The existence of magic in this universe helped them advance

[keen shore]

please stop pinging alasdair on replies ty, it’s right there in his name

[frigid tinsel]

1. I already asked you to stop pinging me but since you’re making no effort to, I’m blocking you.
2. the magic in Sky is light based. They have to have light in order to do magic stuff. Ancestors have light — their souls — which become their spirits when they die.

[soft ledge]

It's a habit, otherwise how would they know im replying to them. It avoids confusion due to the messages i spam every minute

[keen shore]

He’s in the channel, of course he’d know you’re replying to him… there’s like 3 messages a minute at most… also don’t ping me either Ty

[uncut pond]

You can reply without pinging too

[soft ledge]

Well sorry, I wasn't paying attention. I'm not being rude or anything

[frigid tinsel]

Also you can turn off pings while still replying.

[regal forge]

I would recommend using ‘(replying to [person])’ if you need to be specific to people without replying at all, too

[soft ledge]

Thank you! I didn't know that

[frigid tinsel]

I’m keeping you blocked cos you’re filling the channel with a heavily disputed theory

[regal forge]

I’ve never noticed that button O:

[soft ledge]

Isn't that like the point of this channel? No?

We talk about lores here and there's no problem starting a respectful debate here

[frigid tinsel]

Except you’re not taking our counter evidence respectfully.

[soft ledge]

How??? I'm just countering your evidence with another evidence? I wasn't being rude or anything

[ebon wind]

This channel is in its core meant for friendly debate, that's the only way we can get more solid ideas on the lore of sky, I don't see the problem

[sudden marlin]

Time to talk about some observation I made randomly
So I was redoing the warrior of love’s quest for the fifth time and I happened to notice two things interesting:

1. The reason the Backflipping Champion fell must’ve been because he was getting a little too confident in his position on his manta, happening to stand up more to allow his manta to speed up (somewhat similar to how horse racers will ‘stand up’ or how bikers will to gain more speed, if you get what I mean), but I’m guessing a sharp turn or wind current made him lose balance, then trying to hang on yet slipping, causing him to fall and break his leg and blah blah blah.

2. Somewhat similar to the first thing, but a bit different. One of the reasons other than Warrior most likely being an inexperienced rider must’ve also been their stance, kind of sitting on Champion’s manta rather than lifting themselves up, which you can see the other racers do if you look close enough. I assume that the stance must’ve slowed the manta down and once fixed, allowed them to speed up and then win?

anyways thank you for listening to my ted talk

[ebon wind]

I will say this comment is not ok, the whole point of the lore chat is to look into the lore of sky, and without creating theories you cannot look into the lore deep enough, it's the same in real life, a theory is not proven flase until sufficient evidence debunks it.

Oop sorry for the ping I forgot to do the thing

[untold notch]

from what I can gather it's been debunked

[white junco]

al can block whoever he likes

[sharp lichen]

There are some theories that are “debunked” that can still be considered acceptable

For what I remember, the Chosen One theory being the Skykids was a theory so uncommon that it got essentially “debunked”, even if it has a lot of evidence

||still a bit salty on that||

[white junco]

the theory you mean is the one that frames the skykids as pieces of One carrying out their legacy, which people disliked because it removed the skykids’ agency and placed all the importance on One

[sharp lichen]

I never said that, what I theorized is that the “Chosen one” was referring to the Skykids itself saving the Sky world.

[white junco]

ok then ignore me i thought we were talking about something else

[ebon wind]

I don't have anything against Alasdair blocking them I just think their reasoning wasn't fair and came off as entitled (sorry for the wording it's really hot and I can't english)

[frigid tinsel]

yes, you can create theories, but it is up to you to maintain evidence supporting it. likewise, just because you have "evidence" doesn't mean that evidence is substantial or true. we can also point out flaws in one's theory as well as the many many counterevidence that disproves it. without sufficient evidence, a theory is merely a headcanon. headcanons are fine to discuss but should not passed off as fact.

not every "theory" has to be entertained, especially if it can be thoroughly debunked, which this one has been. yet they continued to pop in asserting it is true, which is more rude cos it is taking from actual worthwhile debate about Sky lore.

also, as Spade said, I can be block whoever I like and since you've ignored my plea to not be pinged and have baselessly accused me for being "mean" and "entitled" (are you kidding me) multiple times (are you even here in good faith? or just to stir discourse?), you are also blocked. leave me alone.

[untold notch]

this is why the block button exists ┐⁠(⁠´⁠ー⁠｀⁠)⁠┌ they are using it correctly

[frigid tinsel]

I don't use ze/hir pronouns anymore btw. just he/him and they/them

[ebon wind]

I don't use discord on server like this much it is usually with friends so I am not used to turning off the ping so when I sent my first reply I didn't forgot to turn the ping off because I only just learned about it, like I said you can block who you like, that's your decision but I didn't like the tone in which they gave the reason as to why they blocked them. I only came here because I wanted to see what was being discussed about the new things shown in the concert but was greeted with an argument which I wanted to calm down before giving my own feedback to the ideas and theories we share here.

[rigid mural]

I'll be honest, I don't mind discussing theories proven non-canon if they're interesting, but some can be kinda bland sometimes. Thinking about the ones trying to have a clear big bad evil guy vs good guy like in the hero's journey, when sky wants to break that trope by not having a single hero, but multiple.

I don't really endorse putting down other theories, but I also think trying to remove the agency of skykids to make it about One isn't as deep as it looks.

[sharp lichen]

What’s your feedback to the ideas and theories?

[ebon wind]

I haven't even gotten to read them yet

[sharp lichen]

If you’re talking about my old theory, I literally did the opposite. Instead of removing the focus of the Skykids by focusing on Resh, I removed the focus on Resh and replaced it with Skykids.

I said that because of the nature of the game and the fact that we complete the Trials and the track “Fulfillment plays” after that played a pretty clear sign that we were the Chosen Ones destined to rebirth the kingdom.

[frigid tinsel]

so you're gonna call me "entitled" and "rude" for not entertaining a theory that's been thoroughly debunked but you haven't even read what it was? are you kidding me?

[sharp lichen]

I think Rogue12 meant the other theories beforehand that related more to the AURORA concert

[frigid tinsel]

so talk about that rather than trying to be the grandstanding third party who has no idea what they're talking about but wants to diss other users here.

[ebon wind]

But I guess I'll start with the ancestors being dark creatures thing

I don't think ancestors are either light or dark creatures, I don't remember if this was in concept art or not, but I do remember something about ancestors not being able to fly, a key characteristic of light creatures, however they do levitate at times. I believe they might use the power of light in order to things like this but aren't necessarily light creatures

[rigid mural]

I'm not calling anyone out in particular tho, just explaining why I think some theories may face some blunt rebuttals.

[ebon wind]

.
Alasdair, I'm not dissing anyone, I was judging the way you worded something, not the person who actually wrote it because tone is something that isn't easily conveyed online and I frankly do not know you so I can't judge your character

[frigid tinsel]

and yet you called me "rude" and "entitled.” that says more than ‘tone.’
please drop the topic and discuss lore like you claim to be here for

[rigid iron]

Just dropping my two cents here but if all light creatures fly and all dark creatures don't, where does that put fish?

[rigid mural]

Flying fish.

[keen shore]

[puts head in hands] I forgot about the fish…

[white junco]

in my stomach, yum

[rigid iron]

They can all fly they just don't do it in front of us because they're shy 💔

[ebon wind]

Not all dark creatures are grounded, we all know this because of our no. 1 favourite dark creatures that gives us nothing but love, the krill

[rigid mural]

Yall are cowards, we got flying whales in a fantasy world, of COURSE fish fly. Proof:

[ebon wind]

Amen

[keen shore]

maybe we should make this an offishal theory

[sharp lichen]

I think the whole flying/grounded thing isn’t really a useful way to describe light and dark creatures, I think togetherness/isolation is a better theme.

[ebon wind]

I think the reason ancestors can't fly is because they are neither dark creatures or light creatures

[rigid mural]

Yeah ! I had a theory light creatures have flocking/schooling habits while dark creatures are more solitary.

[frigid tinsel]

interesting to note that crabs will help turn over flipped crabs and four krill show up when you open a gate in battlefield. I agree, darkness seems to have ties with isolation/solitary, but we often find some in groups.

[ebon wind]

Like crabs aren't light creature but we know that they aren't exacty dark creatures either

[keen shore]

What about Wants to help us vs wants to hurt us

[rigid iron]

Dark plants care not for the matters of man

[rigid mural]

What's your thing about orange light storms bringing dark creatures together, maybe they team up to get light partially under the social influence of light

[sharp lichen]

Goes well with togetherness/isolation, since many light creatures interact with other light creatures

[frigid tinsel]

I don't think that would work cos it falls under a good vs. evil false dichotomy

[keen shore]

I think uncorrupted crabs are light creatures! Their eyes glow, you just can’t see their inner glow through their stone shell, which many other light creatures have to some extent, just on less of their bodies. Think about a whale’s stone face for example

[keen shore]

Good point. As someone with social anxiety whenever I see someone trying to socialize with me my eyes go red & I do a charge attack at them /j

[sudden marlin]

Oh cool we’re talking about light and dark creatures

I think one thing that I’ve noticed is that dark creatures don’t really seem to be,,,’alive’. Crabs will only really move in circles, then charge at you if you’re near. Krills move in a repeated pattern and don’t move unless they also spot you. And including the abyss creature (talking about after the quests), it only does move in circles below. So my note here is that the light creatures are alive, and dark creatures, probably not

[rigid mural]

Thinking about how we got crab memory quests & see one ascend during some red shards

[frigid tinsel]

oh right

[rigid iron]

I guess my only classification for light vs dark creatures is whether they expel or suck in light but I guess we don't have any live ancestors to test that

[keen shore]

YEAH I associate light with life & darkness with the absence of life, aka death (or just never being alive in the first place). This means corrupted light creatures like krills are akin to zombies

[rigid mural]

I think ancestors could count as light creatures since their hands are warm

[frigid tinsel]

that's actually a nice baseline to start with. light creatures emanate their light and the sharing of light between beings of light is mutual – thinking skykids gaining light from spirits or the mantas they ride. dark creatures take light and don't give it back, like krill eating our light & extinguishing us and crabs knocking light out of us. the only time a being of darkness seems to give light is when we melt dark plants, but by then the dark plant ceases to exist.

[rigid iron]

Yeah! That's why I consider skykids to be neutral, because we can give off and take in light in a way that's balanced

[frigid tinsel]

I think of beings of light able to "share" light, able to both emit and take light. so skykids fall under beings of light since they do both. I'd imagine other light creatures share light between them since they're constantly emanating it.

[copper saffron]

yeah, i consider that too!
i headcanon that skykids' physical forms are darkness based, while their 'soul' and life force are their light

[soft timber]

This works too! It makes sense as all light creatures are completely or nearly completely made out of light while dark ones are the same but nearly completely physical

[frigid tinsel]

it also fits the community or collectivist aspect of light, sharing light between them to bond light we do meals

[rigid iron]

Oh that's true, there's probably a mutually beneficial reason for light creatures constantly emitting light. Trying to think of this from a biological perspective but I wonder if anyone's tried to classify different creature interactions into parasitism, mutualism, etc for a better idea of those kinds of interpersonal relationships and how that changes between light and dark

[ebon wind]

I had this theory(this may fall under headcanon) that dark creatures retain a form that is ideal for taking in light but is horrible at keeping in inside itself and can properly disperse large amount of light hence why we can burn dark plants and why krills expell our winged light but don't actually take it in

[ebon wind]

That's sounds like a good idea actually, I'd we can classify the creatures in sky it should give us a better understanding of them

[ebon wind]

Somewhat like a yin yang scenario where one is give and the other is take makes sense since it is light and dark we are talking about

(thanks for telling me how to turn off the ping, it takes a lot of stress away from thinking that I may be waking someone up or interrupting their work)

[untold notch]

bea is still haunted njce

[shadow star]

Do you guys have measured of
how tall sky kids in realife?
I think i saw someone did measure it. And thought it pined in lore chat. But i can't find.

[frigid tinsel]

it wasn't pinned but you can find the message here: https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/632004389137154048/658041369289555980

[soft timber]

What's getting me is that at absolute most (without spells) is the biggest Skid is less than 4' tall

[shadow star]

Thx

[frigid tinsel]

you’re welcome, please don’t ping me

[rigid iron]

Me n the ghosts are chilling for the foreseeable future

[ebon wind]

Did I ping? /gen

[white junco]

you didn't that time

[ebon wind]

Oh good I was getting paranoid lol

[quasi juniper]

I'd like to put forward the idea that the krills and crabs are search and destroy drones looking to exterminate the survivors of the war

I think it fits with how the crabs detect skykids by sound and explains the blinking red light (ignoring the obvious game mechanics reason of course lol)

[ebon wind]

Given they are based off of the war machines from journey (this is in terms of gameplay and is an assumption) it is a total possibility

[quasi juniper]

oh? haven't played Journey. Nice that it fits with my hypothesis 😁

[ebon wind]

Krills are very organic compared to other ancestor technology however

It could be like the fortune dragon except covered in a sort of costume or something like a car

[quasi juniper]

the movements and the sounds seem mechanic to me.

the patrol paths (again game mechanics) fits nicely I think 😁

[frigid tinsel]

krill are confirmed corrupted creatures, likely light creatures

[quasi juniper]

the highest levels of tech do tend to go for the natural looks.
they don't stay janky and blocky

[ebon wind]

Oh I just thought that krills were still a mystery at this point

[quasi juniper]

confirmed? dang

[frigid tinsel]

Basically by Jenova Chen, TGC’s found. Also please don’t ping me

[quasi juniper]

ahh. didn't notice the name. my bad

[ebon wind]

Well that confirms that they are corrupted but that doesn't rule out the theory of them being mechanical! /j

[quasi juniper]

I mean, they could've been corrupted via mechanical 😛

[ebon wind]

Maybe they were currupted by a computer virus!

[quasi juniper]

or if we make this "theory" popular enough, maybe we can get it retconned!

[ebon wind]

Hahahahahah

They could be mechanically modified creatures that have been corrupted

Finds a tiny specifically shaped hole in something and just stuffs the theory into it until it fits

[quasi juniper]

yeah!!
krills and crabs as drones! lol

should've posted this when I came up with it a year ago lol

[ocean grove]

If the theory is that they are corrupt light creatures that might have something to do with it, like they remember and repeat old habits

[pseudo flax]

Battlefield had 2 wars

Aurora doesn't shows war between elders, it shows war between light and spirits, and then the light ascend for the first time

Spirits thrived after, but they doomed themselves and declared war to each other

In the elder wars krills were released as a weapon, but they don't obey, and instead attacked and won, so no one is victorious

War between elders had krill s, no krill s were found before

AURORA is the first one to tell the first story, it shows the spirits coming for the first time to the realm, it shows them mining the forest and then capturing the creatures, but the creatures strike back and free themselves, that lead to a war, and although spirits had few casualties, they won

After that they thrived for years, and elders were born, the extraction of light was happening in few places but they needed more, so they built a bigger facility to do it, at treasure Reef

There they not only managed to remove the light but they created krills

At this point maybe they started to argue, was it right to continue? Few tried to help the creatures and other wanted more power

This leads to the second war, the side that wanted more power was losing and release krills in the hope of turning the tides, but krills don't have a side and instead attacked everyone

Spirits united in the hope of fighting against their own creation, but lost and now everything is ruins

Ping me please

[untold notch]

nice evidence you don't have there

[pseudo flax]

I'll elaborate further when get home 4% battery rn

Ii showed few evidences in my post tho (lack of krills In concert for example is one of them)

Aurora is light memory from before spirit era

[atomic lava]

guys i just want to mention aurora said she was thinking about prometheus and how he stole fire to create the humans, with "giving in to the love" ! just thought you guys would like that, even if we only see the song through cape and dress ^_^

[pastel brook]

shards, you keep me crawling on my knees

[cobalt patio]

What the heck is an Alef

[atomic lava]

alef is the name we use for the prince/chosen one ! he was the first sky kid to come down to the ancestors, and is believed to have become king after completing the trials, also believed to have caused the explosion of eden (though as the king, we call him resh)

[pseudo flax]

wall incoming, sorry in advance (may take time tho)

[fiery oracle]

I don't think there's a real connection, but during my last eden run i noticed that the light we turn into after dieing is very similar to the light during the war part of the Aurora concert

(sorry I cut you off Megah)

[copper saffron]

this is partially why im unsure what exactly those lights are
what if they're the stars/spirits falling

[fiery oracle]

The concert blue lights are destructive while the eden blue lights help other skids

[pseudo flax]

those lights falling have a very peculiar blue hue

i expected a krill then i noticed everything was blue and expected a really big krill

[fiery oracle]

Like the kig krill ?

This ?
(Not my screenshot)

[cobalt patio]

Interesting, is there a link or something that has a well rounded summary on the lore? I’m very curious

[fiery oracle]

The pinned messages have a lot of info if you're just starting to get into the lore, like the names of the elders and such

[pseudo flax]

i expected a regular krill but the blue was so big mi mind actually melted and then i noticed it was because of the shards falling

[fiery oracle]

A "leviathan krill" on a similar scale to the megabird would be very interesting, like an embodiment of darkness

[rocky hill]

Can I get the summary of lore in the game anywhere?

[pseudo flax]

WARNING! This text may contain spoilers about Sky.
I don’t recommend reading it if you haven’t relieved all spirits and completed all the Season of Aurora, including the concert.

Theory: Aurora introduced part of the history that was never told before, and it tells what happened when the spirits first reached the realms.
Evidence: Concert act 2, 3, 4 and 5

To make things easier I’ll slice things up in chapters
There is an event I’ll call “Spirit Era” this is where elders developed and spirits thrived.
Prologue - Before Spirit Era. We did nothing about that until AURORA’s concert.
Chapter 1- Spirit Era. Some things in game take place here tho its most seasons.
Chapter 2- After Spirit Era. Most regular spirits are situated here, this was after the Elder War and when the spirits were declining.

So let’s get started with Prologue

Prologue Act 1- Spirits came to land in groups of many, nothing existed here before, just the creatures of light, and everything was peace (Concert Music 2)

Prologue Act 2 - Spirits are much like humans, so they started to develop a society, and for this they needed resources, They went mining and creatures of light even helped them at first (Concert Music 3)

Chapter 1- Spirit Era. Most seasons are here, Performance, Abyss, Rhythm, Sanctuary…. This is where the Spirit society was at its best.

Chapter 1 Act 1 - Spirits developed a way to extract light from creatures of light and they built facilities in Wasteland (Forest Facility was a bit later we’ll get there) (regular Lore)

Chapter 1 Act 2 - Spirits Started to hunt creatures of Light to use them in those facilities, perhaps the minerals were over? (regular lore, Music 4) Some Spirits Started to help the creatures instead (Season of Flight)

Chapter 1 Act 3 - Creatures of Light start to fight their way to break free (Music 4) and fight spirits back, those creatures had help from some spirits that were against the use of them to produce energy (music 5)

Chapter 1 Act 4 - Spirits were in dire need of energy but they couldn’t produce enough, so they built a new facility with a lot more capacity and started to drain the light of bigger creatures. This created Dark Dragons (Abyss)

Chapter 2 - After Spirit Era. Decline and end of spirits

Chapter 2 Act 1 - The war between the Light and the spirits grew stronger, specially after the creation of the Dark Dragons, Elders got involved and tried to stop this madness from happening (theory, tho an Elder War is actual lore)

Chapter 2 Act 2 - When they noticed they were losing, as an ace in the sleeve, the losing side (the ones that wanted to continue light extraction) freed the dark dragons.
Dark dragons didn’t pick sides and attacked everyone, they are too strong even for a group of spirits or an Elder to take them down (Spirit lore) so spirits need to unite and hide to survive this new common enemy

Chapter 2 Act 3 - Spirits made weapons against Dark dragons, trying to get rid of them (catapults in Wasteland) but they failed, and were unable to defend themselves (Forgotten ark, crab fields) Maybe the Forest facility was built in this time since now they needed the energy to get rid of Dark dragons or they would be doomed forever

After that it was just time, trial and error, and with time Dark dragons grew stronger
Eventually the last spirit passed away, and at some point after that our journey began.

[cinder valley]

Sorry, didn't realize you were posting a thread )))

[pseudo flax]

Finally i can finish it... it was another term I used in Chapter 2 act 2, instead of "ace upon sleeve" and it had a name of an american politician

[atomic lava]

😔 #freemegah....

[hushed steeple]

I'd like to think that aurora is a goddess that helped us throughout the gameplay, when we honk and there's a direction where were supposed to go, also think that the orbit is her home?

[atomic lava]

love that

[hushed steeple]

also i found some images on google with the ||king|| and ||prince|| stuff, I'd like to think that the ||king|| got corrupted for some reason that he resigned terror across the kingdom of sky, the realm elders became involved and used all their might to stop him to the point they ascended to orbit, and then with the ||king's|| lost, he forgot all his memories and became us (the player) journeying through the kingdom

[mortal sluice]

He knelt down at the end, dawn Grandpa

[upbeat jasper]

related to this, has anyone noticed elders from the other areas appearing during the concert stuff?

[mortal sluice]

Personally I haven't noticed any one else, which makes me wonder why?

[ebon wind]

Does that possibly imply that the Prairie temple predates the arrival of the spirits or is it just a funny time thing

Because the elder was standing there as if he was waiting for their arrival or welcoming them to the realms

Another possibility is that spirits had already settled there and built some temples and the elder was waiting for the arrival of the rest of the spirits, it's still open to ideas I guess

[upbeat jasper]

i feel like the memory poems from shattering support your timeline, particularly during chapter one:acts 1-2

~ the jellyfish memory gives off the vibe that they were just starting to be used with no warning (“songs lost to the void / bewildered in final moments of stillness”). the jellyfish in their memory are brighter than the creatures in following memories, which could mean that their life essence wasn’t completely drained when the jellies died. this also makes me think that the power shortage could’ve just started

~ in the crab/dark plant memory, maybe the spirits became more greedy and/or desperate for finding a power source. building and setting off traps for crabs who weren’t as helpful as the jellyfish

~ the manta memory mentions a “merciless harness,” which reminds me a lot of what was being used in music 4 to capture the mantas

perhaps as more resources and creatures were being used up, corruption (shards) would rain down to try to balance out what had already been destroyed. some crabs adapted to the huntings by using bits of shard as a means of protection

~ for the krill memory, maybe they are creatures created/formed(?) in response to the continued spirit-made destruction on the land. the falling shards had been a warning for the people to stop destroying, and now they may feel more regret when faced with deadly creatures. i didn’t want to do this, but you left me no choice kind of thing

[i could probably also tie this into some other stuff, but rn it’s around 6:35am and i haven’t slept yet. also really curious as to what you guys think of my addition to that original message ^-^]

[sick owl]

Please don't get mad at me but can we talk about||beta|| in this lore channel??

[eternal totem]

No

[hoary ingot]

I don’t know if anyone has made this connection yet, and as always, I could be way off. ||After experiencing the concert for a third time, the first leg strikes me. Especially the lyrics. Aurora is believed to be the voice that calls us forth into the Sky world, and I believe she is projecting that history to us during the first song. The lyrics, “My dear, come near. Do you understand what is happening?” makes me believe that Aurora (in some way, the role of MB) is instructing us on our mission before we are incarnated into the sky world. She projects to us creations, spirits, who then fade away as if they were going to Orbit. The lyrics, “Crawl beneath the Earth to feel the hunger and the thirst” reminds me of reliving spirits’ memories. We have to go to certain uncomfortable places, some dark and some light, reliving their memories and “feeling the hunger and thirst” (gaining their expression). Next, the chorus struck me in particular. The words, “Who is calling me? For the emergency?” can be the question of a sky kid. Aurora is the one calling us as there is an emergency in the Sky world. Lastly, the outro, to me, is a warning from Aurora/MB as they prepare to send us down to do what we do best. “Take from my world no more” meaning, Aurora/MB is tired of what ever destruction is happening in Sky, and we are the ones to fix it, ensuring that darkness will take from the world no more. ||

[cedar sun]

Very weird theory, what if aurora is a skykid and she grew up, since we're basically a star(?) What if she's a sun? Like she was once a star but since she grew up she became a sun (since the sun is a huge star)

Idk just a theory that popped up on my head

[cedar sun]

You know this could be a great story au

[halcyon hull]

We all know that Sun isn't a big star

[cedar sun]

But the sun is a star

[halcyon hull]

but the sun is a yellow dwarf

[round parrot]

Hhhhhh I had this question in mind for almost a year now

But why do butterflies turn pink when we do the butterfly charmer emote?

[simple flicker]

Maybe they're sharing their energy?

[round parrot]

That can't be right.. we hold hand with friends and they don't turn pink

[simple flicker]

True. I mean it is called charmer. 🤔🤔

[untold notch]

which is, a type of star,

[rain pond]

stars can't grow into suns though?

I mean the credits theme could be a duet between AURORA and Megabird (omg megabird pianist spinoff when)

[odd siren]

this is a different universe than ours so maybe suns and stars work differently

[rain pond]

that is
in my opinion
the least interesting explanation

it's like saying "maybe the grass is different in prairie than isle, hence why isle is now barren while prairie is still lush"

it's perfectly reasonable but really... boring.

[round parrot]

One more thing is that the butterflies flap slowly, this may be possible because they are trying to rest? I am not so sure

[static coral]

Yall sorry to interrupt but can someone tell me the names of all of the elders, nearly all works too! [i forgor 💀 ]

[static coral]

tyty

[round parrot]

We also call them by the time of day (what the devs call the elders)

Dawn
Day
Rain
Sunset
Dusk
Night

[versed plover]

so, so what do you think about Aurora and her role in all of this?? Like I still believe she is megabird because gestures and she's the light of Eden that guide us through all realms since the beginning, also she's the VOICE, also she's megab- gunshots

[rain pond]

a) what is the light of Eden? If you're referring to the Eden beam, it's probably not megabird. it doesn't lead us through the realms, otherwise the indicator would be at the beam 24/7 instead of pointing to the elder temple

b) AURORA has different representation to every Megabird icon in the game AND in concepts.

c) Why would AURORA(assuming that AURORA is Megabird) need to journey to their own domain, Orbit?

The word Journey indicates that it was as much of an undertaking for AURORA as it was for the Sky Kids, what with needing to make that rainbow glowy ball and having to make sky kids collect the memories and such

[slate saffron]

Why did mantas need to get captured alive during the 2nd concert song? Was it something necessary to the process to harvest their light? I can't imagine it made it any easier, considering at the end the creatures break out of their cages

[twin osprey]

Hmm my guess would be, she wasn’t bringing the sky kids(us the audience) but the people who had fallen in the war(?). They have all turned into stones just like the ones in eden.

[hushed steeple]

i wanna do that but scared i might get copyrighted, i did take some inspo tho

[sharp lichen]

They! But yeah, why is the Isle Elder’s mask broken??

[frigid tinsel]

Suns and stars are the same thing

[sharp lichen]

Perhaps they wanted to use it for manta racing, similar to how people in real life race horses against their will

[sharp lichen]

I think “star” means moreso the Light in general. After all, the “stars falling” doesn’t really make sense using our definition.

[pseudo flax]

I think it makes sense, it follows what i was thinking when I theorised it!

Also, i did update the post now that im not muted anymore, bot was mad with me bc a phrase I used in Chapter 2 Act 2, instead of "ace upon the sleeve" i used another expression that had the name of an american politician, i guess his name is blacklisted...

Anyways, original post is here: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[uncut pond]

If the Ascension to Orbit is anything to go by, then stars in Sky are less like the stars in our world and more like. Just light beings/consciousnesses that shine brightly in the night sky, Sky's cosmology in general is very different from ours

[pseudo flax]

Isn't in the beginning of the game mentioned that the stars fell and made the world dark, and its our fate to recover the light and bring back to the skies? then starts would be the Winged Light scattered around

[hoary ingot]

Who are the bodies of these families that have turned to stone? It was so depressing, it almost brought me to tears.

[pseudo flax]

they are ones in the war, i therized about the timeline you can find my post bit up

[uncut pond]

Winged Light currently refers to the energy Spirits and Lost Memories gift us and which let us fly. If you're referring to the static glowing children, those are called Lost Memories now

Also Spirits and Elders came and arguably fell from the stars, yet the sky went dark much after said fall so something else might've happened

[hoary ingot]

Gotcha. Why have their bodies turned to stone? Could it be that the clay we could possibly be made of hardens after time and we become stone?

[untold notch]

it's unclear why exactly that happens I think, but if it's anything similar to skykids in Eden it's because they ran out of light

[uncut pond]

Their bodies might've always been made of some kind of stone, but it was the light inside that made the bodies mobile, so when Skids lose their light due to darkness, they become statues

[hoary ingot]

Ah, okay.

In the scene we see where Isle is restored, is that a display of spirits’ arrival in the realm of Sky? I know it could possibly some religious service, but they seem to migrating and Dawn is waiting at the temple for them.

[uncut pond]

Isle is never actually restored, that's most likely just a memory from before the extinction of the ancestors

[pseudo flax]

i belive its the original arrival of spirits, ye
i have a timeline here: #lore-discussion-spoilers message
Its backed by some events in Shattering too, tho we cannot say its the correct timeline

[hoary ingot]

That’s what I meant. The memory.

[hoary ingot]

So where did these spirits arrive from? The stars? I get so confused at the very beginning/basis of lore. Did it sort of happen like humans arrived or evolved onto the planet?

[pseudo flax]

Sky lore is very open,theres no way to know where the spirits came from, but there is a concept art that shows sky realm above earth, it has a flow that people from earth arrive here, so it could be possible that spirits were humans once...

[hoary ingot]

Woah??? That actually makes sense. Like, Sky being an afterlife for humans.

[hoary ingot]

Or, now that I think about it, it could be a second chance for a new civilization after the first earth is destroyed..? Hence, the migration or “arrival” and the gratitude the spirits expressed (kneeling, hands clasped in prayer) during their arrival. As always, I could be way off.

[pseudo flax]

possible, but other concept arts shows the human world alive bellow the Sky

[hoary ingot]

Ah, I see. Maybe it’s just the afterlife we journey through as the photo depicts. Yet, who are these “empty souls” and how do they become empty?

[pseudo flax]

if we were full souls at some point and ascended to the max, i dont see how could we become empty souls, maybe they are newly created souls?

[uncut pond]

Said concept art was from very early in the conceptualization phase and is no longer canon, the new intro murals very clearly show the spirits cane from the stars and were eager to return to The Light

[hoary ingot]

“Eager to return to the light” would explain their readiness for and acceptance of death?

[uncut pond]

What acceptance and readiness? The wasteland spirits didn't seem very eager to die, and after their extinction a lot of spirits remained trapped in the realms, so they probably could only ascend through the Elders or other rituals

[soft timber]

Just noticed Granny has 5 stars on their cape, but only one of them is still lit

Makes me think that Granny has been traveling and putting children in their cape, almost like a birb grandma

[earnest tapir]

grandma does have birb call’s hair

[soft timber]

Yis!

[random token]

So do humans ascend to being sky kids? Or just end up in the same place

[pseudo flax]

its concept art, it mjay not be actual lore since in isle it shows spirits falling from skies, but you can interpret the way you want since lore isnt set in stone

[random token]

Yeah I understand.

[flint bolt]

what da lore chat doin

[random token]

||so basically aurora grabs us and goes "fix it" and yeets us down||

[olive yarrow]

So that's why manta's love to kidnap us skykids...
They're being kidnapped in the past by. um. "People's"
And because we skykids look pretty similar to them, the manta might think we're them and so they got their revenge

[random token]

I think they recognize us as the "good" side, and want to help

[rigid mural]

Makes me think of passenger pigeons, you know how hunters used to be able to get some by just randomly firing at a flock of them migrating ? yeah
this but with mantas

[random token]

Something in the lyrics related to us being nice to the mantas, and helping them in the war

This came as a big shocker to me.. I always thought the sky people were friendly to the mantas

[rigid mural]

Passenger pigeons used to be so numerous and hung out in such vast flocks it almost looked like a cloud, I wouldn't be surprised if that was the same with Mantas. Ancestors could have been surprised an almost limitless-looking supply suddendly vanished...

[olive yarrow]

When aurora

[rigid mural]

I think the song here could be about mantas having to fight their way through this area !

[olive yarrow]

True, and then we also watch the people that hunted them down got brutally "make sleep" in wasteland

[fickle snow]

they were, but as time passed by, they needed more light, and they started using them for "fun"

[random token]

Previously or after the war? Because I don't think all the sky people would agree on abusing the power

[olive yarrow]

They probably rebel against them tho

[pseudo flax]

i made a timeline here #lore-discussion-spoilers message this is what i think happened

[random token]

I don't think they're necessarily evil for overusing the light, I just think they made a huge mistake and it was too late to fix it. Just trying to help their world

[fickle snow]

true

[random token]

That is a good theory! But I think the dark Dragons are just corrupted light creatures

[olive yarrow]

And ofcourse, the manta's aren't too happy about it and they got screwed up

[pseudo flax]

the process of removing light may had corrupted them, its backed by abyss lore

[random token]

Poor fellas were trapped

[fickle snow]

true, lets not forget that, when u go to wastelands, there are crabs that dont attack you in the fireplace, and if you watch carefully, they dont have like the dark rocks of the other crabs

[random token]

Riiight! And the light bait on fishing pole

[olive yarrow]

Man, i wonder if there are instances where crabs fight each other

[pseudo flax]

crabs may have joined the war after fragments fell, since they were being hunted too, so that would explain the big war etween light and spirits

[fickle snow]

true

[olive yarrow]

I bet they're being hunted for food

[pseudo flax]

with those fragments crab at leat had a wepaon to defend themselves

[fickle snow]

or light

[hushed thorn]

just watched the concert and my friend had the idea that Aurora was a goddess that the spirits worshipped but eventually the elders stopped following her ways (respecting nature being one of them) and started harvesting creatures for light, which is why the realms decayed

[fickle snow]

ohh, that could be kind of acurate

[olive yarrow]

||This could explain why she's yellow like the light we see in the end credits||

[pseudo flax]

i dont like the idea of Aurora being megabird, but many are theorising that

[fickle snow]

remember, when the spirits didnt had their memories/light back, they were like in a position of like kind of worshiping aurora

[flint bolt]

Lore chat. Tell me the lore of sky bot.

[olive yarrow]

He's the masterpiece made by the sky people, but he got too powerful and then he became sentient, and he also try to adapt to be like us.

wich people may not like

[untold notch]

skybot was created and is annoying thats all

[flint bolt]

I like this one better than astral's.

[pseudo flax]

skybot ate crabs once

[olive yarrow]

Isn't this a little bit too much for just abusing the manta's?

[fickle snow]

but it wasnt just the mantas

it was every creature in sky

and eden i think

[olive yarrow]

oh right, i forgor

[tulip salmon]

okay now i finally watch concert and, that last statues in Through the Eyes of a instantly remind me of eden shiny boi

[olive yarrow]

Eden shiny boi but not a kid

[tulip salmon]

my boi forever sit in guilt huh

[random token]

That's so sad.. They're still not evil. They just wanted to power their world and used too much

[fickle snow]

he was alef, he is the last remanent of alef, his light, that he grants us for scaping the eden rock

[olive yarrow]

They're also just trying to survive...

[fickle snow]

the thing, its like irl, we could say humans are just trying to survive, but we are destroying everything in the only planet that we could possibly live in

[frigid tinsel]

The ancestors didn’t realize or ignored the consequences of their actions

[random token]

Yeah :(. Both sides believed they were in the right and that caused conflict

[tulip salmon]

i still can't see Isle elder in second song uhu, i only get to see their silhouette for a bit

[olive yarrow]

Fr man...
Such an accurate depiction of human

[random token]

I just wonder what the elders did during that time period

[left quail]

So... We are the bad guy huh...

[olive yarrow]

*our ancestors

[random token]

No I think we're part of the good side. Sky people had a war between them, one had mantas on their side and they recognize us on that side. At least that's what I believe

[left quail]

Like we came.. we mine resources.. capture manta... And full blown war on GW...

[fickle snow]

not us, we are trying to repair what our ancestors did, like if, in idk how many years, when humanity has fallen and its apocalipsis, a 10-years old fixed one handedly the troubles that we are generating pokemon flashback

[tulip salmon]

kinda always been us the bad guy (if we're talking about human sin influence in fiction)

[random token]

Guys, wild idea, but you know how the people came from a different island like in the switch trailer. What if they used up those resources too?

[left quail]

Ah... So the seasonal quest memories are from good guys... Concert are from bad guys?

[fickle snow]

true

[olive yarrow]

They're not us, we skykids are living in the far future and we're seeing their remnants

[olive yarrow]

||we are trying to repair things by sacrificing ourselves....||

[random token]

Aurora: please fix what they did :(

Us: lol honk spam

[frigid tinsel]

There is no bad guy, it was just people trying to do what they could to survive yet took the pain as a necessary evil

[fickle snow]

i was seeing smt, that, when you start the game, someone (aurora) tells us: remember child

[left quail]

Boi~ this flip a lot of things...
Shattering memories... Aurora quest... Aurora concert...
The lore is deep~

[tulip salmon]

maybe dealing with civil war or politic problem, ||in early beta some of the elder were divided in the Seed song||

[olive yarrow]

For the first time we've seen the brutal things that our ancestors did back then

[random token]

Ohh. Do you think they liked each other? They are leaders

[fickle snow]

our eyes are open, we see the truth, and altough it hurts, theres nothing we can do

-my self

XD

[tulip salmon]

may some do, some don't. It's hard to interpreted when we don't get to see them interact much

[fickle snow]

the only time when they are together is during vault's scene

[random token]

Forest elder is def aggressive

[olive yarrow]

omagad, imagine the elders having a meeting and discussing about this.

Sky really described humans

||This is similar to how irl we have presidents meeting in the UN and talking about world problems||

[fickle snow]

twins are definetly the most wholesome/bruhlsome elders XD

[random token]

YESSA AND WHEN they tried to fix the problem in shatterjng?? And then it go BOOM

[tulip salmon]

this is similar to journey, but we sacrifice ourselves to maybe have a chance to do something to eden

[olive yarrow]

boom, everyone got greedy, they don't think twice, BOOM problems.

[random token]

"ok we gotta fix this"

"Too late"

BOOM

[olive yarrow]

||Nope, we just go there to die||

[tulip salmon]

still better corporation than outside world bc even if the world end, we human might still have petty war

[south depot]

Here’s my theory from someone who doesn’t really pay attention that much:
Maybe ancestors were harvesting materials(like light) from Eden until one day they harvested too much which caused a big explosion which stretched out to almost all the realms. Vault was protected because it had a very tight protection spell around it which caused all the darkness to go around it and strike wasteland (which previously looked like completed forgotten arc) to be hit the hardest. This also caused corruption in the people living there which turned them against eachother, This started a war in which people needed to find an upper hand, enter manta hunting, harvesting light from krills, etc. Now the fallout corruption fell onto forest which is less polluted than wasteland since it’s farther away from Eden and that fallout reached all the way to prairie. the forest people tried to clean it up out of their realm and they dumped it all where polluted geyser is. We can assume since isle is farthest away it didn’t get any of the polluted corruption, just the winds from the explosion in eden, which stripped away all the grass from it except for the two most important spots to the realm which were protected by the elder. Now due to the fact of how advanced and modern everything is in valley, I think this area developed after the event of Eden. Now us as sky kids are here living in the realms, we are creatures of all types made up of light creatures, ancestors, etc. we want to restore this place for everyone, not just the ancestors, not just the light creatures, but all, as we follow the ways of aurora

[olive yarrow]

If we implement real life human behaviors on these elders, there might just be wars raging all around sky lmao

[tulip salmon]

i mean, they don't start to slap eachother the moment they gather in vault, or got told off bc there is a kid in here💀

[fickle snow]

what my miind cannon thinks that the elders said:

isle: what are we going to do

praire: lets just call the light creatures they might be able to do something

forest: are you crazy?? lets just smash the* ***** out of this thing!!

valley: lets just knock it down to space!

gw: i will just stab this thing

vault: something nerdy jet wise

alef: ...

boom

[olive yarrow]

This is soo funny yet somewhat true at the same time 💀

Also, who's alef

[fickle snow]

the king/first skykid of sky

[tulip salmon]

the price of immortality and don't need to eat huh 💀

[olive yarrow]

Y E S.

We can decide when we're gonna die anyways, sooo

[fickle snow]

and lets not forget (i think i over use that expression xd) that when eden colapsed, spirits tried to fly away of their problems (literally) so maybe the same happened with their last land, but, they failed to scape this time

[random token]

I like how after all that happened Prarie elders solution to problem afterwards is just to sleep until we came

[fickle snow]

and in warrior of love song lets not forget that there is a part that says: i cant recall last time i open my eyes to see the the world as beutifull

as someone said somme days ago, maybe we are the reincarnation of maybe alef, that was also an sky kid, but we lost our memories of what happened

(they didnt mentioned alef but the point is the same)

[olive yarrow]

This could explain why there are so many jar's in praire

[tulip salmon]

okay but does anyone think Vault Elder might have to something with how the King turn out? The trope of evil royal council can kinda fit them

[fickle snow]

yes

oh and lets not forget that, all the elders seem to respect HER, and yet, they bow to us, even vaulterine (that is how i will call her now on)

[south depot]

Everyone here : omg lore in aurora
Most sky kids: I’m gonna honk now

[tulip salmon]

i love them being see as soft maternal but i love having morally grey character more lol

i feel like they used to teach Alef the stern way, cold and logic on all above. But after everything went mayhem they have change of heart and choose to be more emotional available

[fickle snow]

and again, they recognize us as someone they have to take care of, like they did with alef

[tulip salmon]

their cutscene show them hesitate to told us something, and then just let us decide what to do with the crystal cube

[fickle snow]

do you mean vaulterine's scene?

and lets not forget that it looks like if she had been crying in the floor, until she sees us, deep lore fools, deep lore

[olive yarrow]

I wonder if every single crystal in vault holds a valuable memory or something

[frigid tinsel]

Don’t make jokes about body size, it’s offensive

[tulip salmon]

well of course vault represent old age, might just mean we're old, we choose based on knowledge and skill over time

[olive yarrow]

She have seen everything they did...

[tulip salmon]

i have a theory about it, but that had to do with next season so not now

[random token]

I don't think it was about body size, eating a lot can make people sleepy

[frigid tinsel]

They removed the comment about Prairie Elder bejng fat.
Also don’t ping me, it’s in the name

[tulip salmon]

ahem
*depression *

[south depot]

Someone pls explain alef

[random token]

O ok

[random token]

Well sorry replies automatically have pings turned on. Prairie does have a hit of chub and that's okay. More room to hug

[olive yarrow]

It kinda makes sense yk.
He didn't move for god knows how many years

[random token]

Yeaa. Id sleep too

[tulip salmon]

Alef is what the community collectively call for the old King, to my language community Alef is Spiky hair Valley Elder name

[olive yarrow]

what's an old king

[fickle snow]

maybe the first sky kid and the one that messed up everything and doomed us to die and reborn over and over again to fix things up

[random token]

Ik u meant to ping the other guy

[tulip salmon]

idk why i wrote that lol, it's just the king

[olive yarrow]

Lmao

[fickle snow]

fact: all the spirits only have one "winged light"

[random token]

Due to prairie elders size, it means we can group hug him a lot more

[tulip salmon]

but he pretty much went extinct in Sky gameplay so might just call him the old King

[olive yarrow]

Are there atleast reference images on how this alef creature might look?

I'm curious

[haughty talon]

So found this guy during the Aurora music voyage

[random token]

There was one yea I think

[tulip salmon]

ohh i remember a video from tgc youtube back in 2019-2020(?) it's so cute

[olive yarrow]

any idea on where can i see it?

[tulip salmon]

lemme find it hmmmmm
ah crap my internet is slow again

[fickle snow]

yes but no, in a shattered memory you can partially see alef, but, you have to be lucky for getting the right memory, and it is not dayly the shard ebemt

[tulip salmon]

it's a reference to old concept art, you will have to fly pretty high in order to see it

[fickle snow]

that too

[olive yarrow]

Wdym "fly pretty high"?

[tulip salmon]

if i can find it i will show you but unfortunately i have bad eyes sight, and my usb have 500 pictures

[random token]

You can look it up! I don't have the image ATM:(

[olive yarrow]

Is it that little guy next to vault elder?

[random token]

The lil guy is vault, smaller is sky kid, the big one is alef I think

[olive yarrow]

Magad, alef is gigantic

[random token]

I forgot gw has a lil head I made my own design of him

[random token]

Ye he can squish us like bug but we pop back up

Stupid skybot

[tulip salmon]

Alright the one easier one to find is those huge columns in battlefield and all over gw, in concept art those columns seem to be some kind of defense tower
it's the closet shape to King

[olive yarrow]

i wonder who would win if aurora vs him

||Obviously aurora would definitely win, but i still wonder||
/j

[olive yarrow]

ooooh i see

[random token]

Aurora battle!! We demand! Giant kaiju fight

[tulip salmon]

magic vs mecha, your choice of power tbh

[olive yarrow]

LMAOAOAOAOAOAO

[random token]

Aurora does a godzilla roar /j

[olive yarrow]

Sky kaiju 💀💀💀

kinda want to do a size comparison between alef and aurora

[tulip salmon]

if you want to find concept art about the king outside game then search for tom zhao, he has all of his works up there

SKYBOT AHDGIDIQ IM SORRY

we really need more dark creature /from tom zhao

[cunning shell]

I would cry if there were spiders

[tulip salmon]

can't imagine how horrible the spider model gonna be but i need more for my oc

[olive yarrow]

The turret one looks like something that would really scare off skykids lmao

Imagine just having a nice day and suddenly you got laser beamed 💀

[fickle snow]

i would dye

[tulip salmon]

c l e a n s l i c e

[cunning shell]

The turret might not be bad if it was slow, possibly

[olive yarrow]

The fact that the turret fires a laser is just absolutely terrifying

[tulip salmon]

nah turret is just horrible in all way, if it's the same size as those columns in gw we're doom

[fickle snow]

wait, but then, this dark creatures should have their light counterparts, shouldnt they?

[cunning shell]

This is a good point. It would definitely be scary. On the other hand, we’re made of light, so they would hypothetically be on our side. Unless it was a dark laser

[olive yarrow]

Those columns are absolutely massive, if turrets are that big then the laser would be enormous

[frigid tinsel]

There are no light dragons

[fickle snow]

yes they are, the wales, you never saw it really-

[frigid tinsel]

Whales are whales.
Also don’t ping me

[olive yarrow]

light sucking laser

I like it

[fickle snow]

just imagine eden with all of those creatures...

[olive yarrow]

Eden with laser turrets, giant insectoids.
It would straight up like something from a war 💀

[fickle snow]

AND crabs and rocks and dragons and wind and... bla bla bla bla

[tulip salmon]

i know sea creatures have reputation as begin of every life, but having more light and dark variation other than aquatic life would be nice. And no, we don't talk about the bird

[olive yarrow]

And almost nobody will ever dare to step foot on eden again

[fickle snow]

true

i got trauma the first time i got to eden, imagine what would happen to the future generations of moths XD

[tulip salmon]

okay tgc you sneaky ppl, what is this, do you want me to cry

[hexed saddle]

Hi, I don't know if it's already been said but I think aurora is a kind of prophet or representations of big bird, the entity divines mother of all sky kids and light on the world. for the simple reason that she is able during her concert to use the light and to guide the sky kids, there is also a kind of call by the spirit of the season, the four spirits with it and we sky kids bow down to her as if she were superior to us and that we owed her respect. another huge proof is that during the concert when she speaks behind her there is a gigantic luminous ball like the first version of eden in sky

[fickle snow]

finally someone understands what i have been trying to say all this time

(or well, what i have been thinking)

[hexed saddle]

thinking about it maybe the king of sky (first sky kids with power of trials) organized concerts with the inhabitants from time to time to reward I don't know what and since there is more kingdom this concert is dedicated to the sky kid, a rare event that occurs every century perhaps, something mystical which justifies the construction of this stadium

[fickle snow]

hm, well maybe, since there is a literal COLISSEUM with an ice rink in valley so, yes

[hexed saddle]

exaclty

[fickle snow]

😮 omg even more lore!

[olive yarrow]

They don't just build a giant colosseum for no reason tho

[olive yarrow]

She's definitely either a prophet or a god

[fickle snow]

i think a god, that just as in somme religions, took a "human" form to talk with us

[olive yarrow]

She can turn into a human too tho

[hexed saddle]

moreover in this first concert song when you listen to it it really makes gods "who is listening? who is calling me? for the emergency" in the form of light, like in the belly of king of abyss

[tulip salmon]

can i call the four spirits as prophet bc its a bit mouthfull to call them - four spirits. or just follower

[hexed saddle]

yeh I think, and right after this light turns into an aurora, and then her stage name fits perfectly x)

then there are four strangers who strangely stick to the elders

[fickle snow]

yes, and lets not forget that it also seens like its like, someone drowning like the: ** inhale-EXHAL-inale-EXHALE**, klike how sky is drowning in darkness

[tulip salmon]

kinda wondering why the spirit need to do some kind of ritual on her? is that to make a human vessel

[fickle snow]

yes, maybe and the most probable

and lets not forget, all of them are like echo-concious spirits, far away runawayer (or however he is called in english), mindfull minner, warrior of love, seed of hope :/ ik they make reference to their songs, but yet, its weird

[hexed saddle]

"Take from my world no more"

[tulip salmon]

after each concert they had to maintain her human form again bc she keep turning into celestial creature

[fickle snow]

and lets not forget, she leads us to eden and its not something that creates pain, its like what it techincally should. be, dying in peace

unlike normal eden that is HELL

in other words: W O R S H I P A U R O R A

[tulip salmon]

i'm so sleep deprived i can't think of any lore lol

[sharp lichen]

SLEEP

[fickle snow]

XD

[tulip salmon]

n o

[sharp lichen]

One thing to note is that AURORA has connections to the season of Prophecy (if you were around for that), so maybe Aurora is a chosen one?

[fickle snow]

and another detail: under darkened skys there's a light kept alive

[rigid mural]

An avatar !

[tulip salmon]

woah what

[fickle snow]

i wish i had, aurora season is my first season ever XD

[tulip salmon]

did prophecy cave went through some changed?

[sharp lichen]

Basically AURORA and Prophecy are very connected, there’s the central golden figure that’s worshipped by many, with the 4 colored lights (blue-green-cyan-orange) representing each element, each light is connected to one follower of the Chosen One, and the idea of the past in general

[olive yarrow]

OMAGAD WHY DIDN'T I THINK OF THIS 😭😭😭

Btw their color looks very similar to those elements in prophecy's cave

[fickle snow]

and also

I was a moving thing before I was a human being I was the ice before it melts, **I was the tree before it fell **.

**My dear, come near **

[sharp lichen]

Look at the similarities

[fickle snow]

runaway far awayer: water

mindfull miner: earth

warrior of love: air

seed of hope: fire

[olive yarrow]

The lower image is from prophecy right?

[tulip salmon]

no it's the first one, the one below is in music shop

[fickle snow]

so in little, aurora is the goddes from sky OMG

[olive yarrow]

WAIT, YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT THIS IS ON PROPHECY???

[gentle oak]

It appears when you Light those lanterns on the floating stone platforms

[limpid niche]

Ya, the murals reveal themselves after you light some of the floating rocks there (and or after completing each trial at least once).

[hexed saddle]

mega bird juste behind (hors something esle)

[olive yarrow]

The accuracy is just unbelievable

[fickle snow]

and also the part of

do you understand what is happening?

like how the spirits and elders didnt understood what was happening and doomed sky

[high dagger]

Theory: Alef as we know them never existed and it was Aurora the whole time

[fickle snow]

OMG OF COURSE! ACURACY!

[sharp lichen]

Or: Alef was a failed version of the Prophecy, while Aurora was the successful version. Aurora stayed in Orbit just chilling, while the King/Prince stayed in Sky trying to fix stuff

[tulip salmon]

i thought she pull the sun down here lol

[fickle snow]

bruh

[olive yarrow]

The fact that we hear aurora's chant in orbit just really makes it clear that aurora is some sort of a god or a chosen one

[high dagger]

Huh also a possibility. Like what if they tried to force the prophecy into Alef but it failed because it wasn't about him

[fickle snow]

and also, the thing of: dawn, midday, dusk, night, the sun changes colors

yes, that is also a posibility, like due to discrimination against women like irl, they modified the history and they told us alef was the choosen one and deleted aurora from map, but with aurora season, the truth has comme to the light

[gentle oak]

I Wonder how the concert could be canon? Did Aurora actually come down and hold it or something else?

[limpid niche]

To me, their context is distinct enough for them to be distinct, even if they share that element of an audience admiring (or worshipping, or whichever term you prefer) a (though not necessarily unique) central figure.

IMHO, the prophecy mural’s central ‘character’ was the player’s character itself, especially after clearing the element trials.

As for that mural in music shop, one may also think of it as a early hint to this season before TCG announced any official hint or trailer to this season (meaning this collab season has been in the works since before season of shattering at least).

[sharp lichen]

I think the concert could be made canon, the black spheres that transport memories are essentially just a window to the past

[fickle snow]

memories themselfs are a window to the past

to remember its to live again

[hexed saddle]

and then these two scenes, it's actually the inhabitants who asked him according to the lyrics if they could join the kingdom of sky we would say, I ask him if they are the first inhabitants or not, in people who want to escape the suffering of the real world but end up destroying their paradise

[fickle snow]

true

and that part

and i kept runing for a soft place to fall

[sharp lichen]

IMHO, the prophecy mural’s central ‘character’ was the player’s character itself, especially after clearing the element trials.

That's an interesting (though unpopular) theory that I like a lot. After all, once you complete all the trials, the track that plays is called "Fulfillment".

[limpid niche]

Regarding the idea of this concert ‘being canon’, it’s up to each player, as the Sky world is purposefully ‘vague’ enough to let players form their own ideas (and letting players form their own ideas can be more engaging to some players than being directly ‘told’ what the lore is).

As for the concert, (hidden as it’ll spoil some of the hype) ||it’s quietly worth noting that all the songs from Aurora played in this concert all predate the game of Sky. Very few if any was original to Sky (unless you count the vocals when the Sky kid ascends to orbit, and maybe a few other very minor examples).||

[fickle snow]

(hey dude, please, dont kill the hype, thanks ;D

[latent loom]

so this might be a bit more of an outlandish theory, but the concert itself and part of Through the Eyes of a Child has given me a new idea. first part contains eden spoilers

||so after we die in eden, before we can enter orbit we greet a glowing child like a wing light, which we then hug and absorb to become whole again||

the entire concert emphasizes that we aren’t alone, either in imagery, in song, or in quotes aurora tells us. especially in Eyes of a Child, we see two butterflies together, then two mantas flying together.

now I know it could just be for concert purposes, but we are turned into creatures of light, eventually turning back into ourselves while ||flying through orbit||. what if Megabird fused creatures of light with the children of the ancestors, forming Children of the Light?

[fickle snow]

TRUE!!

[sharp lichen]

Sky children can fly like birds, connect to each other like mantas, and swim like knifefish!

[hexed saddle]

because there also creature of light

[fickle snow]

OMG TRUE!! and they can also be corupted like dragons

[high dagger]

If that is the case then are we making more sky kids by bringing light to all the stone children in Eden?

[hexed saddle]

no i think it's sky kids who lost their light, to have more sky kids it's probably just mega bird / aurora

[high dagger]

I know that's the current understanding. I'm just playing with the idea.

[fickle snow]

and, maybe, the elders treat us more gentilly since that is what worked with aurora while the other way round destroyed alef

[tulip salmon]

i don't think Alef is a false prophecy, maybe the prophet did see the future, but not in a "saviour who wil light our way" kind. They guess it right that one will pass all trials, the immortal who will be consider leader of all leaders. But they never told specific what will happen after that

[latent loom]

I wasn’t expecting my theory to gain so much traction!

[fickle snow]

yes, maybe from aurora's legen derived alef's legen, both were true, but none had a defined ending

[hexed saddle]

but the prophecy has already come true, right? the prince and king of sky, first kids and all. who is alef ?

[fickle snow]

yes, and so has aurora's

maybe the profet in the cave its alef's `rpfet, while the four spirits in valley are aurora's.

and lets not forget

isle = dawn

valley = dusk

[latent loom]

the event description called the concert ‘the story of Sky’s rebirth’

[tulip salmon]

they are only there to teach and search for the one prophecy has told. So yeah, they only see the beginning of doom

[hexed saddle]

the sky kids would be the reincarnation of the former inhabitants of the kingdom, and that's why we relive the spirits, the memories

[fickle snow]

yes, theyr "rebirth"

[sharp lichen]

A theory I’m considering is that Alef/Resh did the whole Hero’s Journey and failed anyways. This would contrast with the modern Skykids totally ignoring the Hero’s Journey. It would make sense!

[fiery oracle]

Maybe the prophecy isn't about one person, but a process which keeps repeating like the rebirth cycle?

[tulip salmon]

if the elder is like skykid, then Alef may have been needed, an emperor to unite all kingdoms, personally i think they didn't really need one🧍

[gentle oak]

I really like how the season ends by the way, it seems (to me) that the spirits thank us by helping them relive their memories and accepting their past lives (doing the respect emote) and also in believing in them by Aurora.

[fickle snow]

that scene shattered my soul in a million pieces 🥲

[fiery oracle]

I feel like the ancestors aren't 'native' to the world of Sky (as we can see their arrival during the concert), which is why their presence disrupted the natural cycle of Sky. But by reliving their memories and sending them to the orbit we are slowly incorporating them to the world

[haughty talon]

Random 🧐 food for thought images

[tulip salmon]

the king is corrupted by dark stone as well, i still can't think of why eden explode but i feel like it has something to do with King

[fickle snow]

true, while we are "native" to sky, therefore, we dont interrupt the curse of things, we fi them, since we are literally "bornn" from sky's stars

[frigid tinsel]

That’s acfually not a far-fetched theory. Ancestors are referred to as our ancestors.

[tulip salmon]

probably meant to show the aftermath of war, no side gain any better than other

[gentle oak]

Their kid died 😭

[limpid niche]

Or another tragedy that may have happened. Whatever the cause, similar outcome which characterizes a tragedy.

[fickle snow]

that is how eden ORIGINALLY was

but when darkness/alef arrived, aurora retired and gave up on sky, but now, since the four prophets are back, she returns

[fiery oracle]

The skids would be the mix between the natural order of sky and the ancestors, trying to unite or mend the relationship between the two

[tulip salmon]

yeah that could be it too, maybe war and epidemic

[limpid niche]

Or environmental, especially with what culminated in the shattering or the blighting of the golden wastelands (or ‘desertification’ of isles) among other examples.

[fickle snow]

at the end of the day, sky (aurora) was just defending what was hers, just like earth, defends what is hers trough pandemoics and natural dissasters every 100 yeasrs

[fiery oracle]

I don't think she gave up, rather she lost power and couldn't do anything so she sent creatures of light and then us the skids to fix it, and now that we did a good enough job she can manifest

[tulip salmon]

shattering season show us some kind of dark bloom seeds, maybe that was polluting land along with lot of stuff

[fickle snow]

exactly, and actually, if we see, the shards that fall are there, because eden is weakening, therefor, losing the abitly to stay together, therefor, darkness is weakening too

[fiery oracle]

Like an invasive species brought from where the ancestors came from

[tulip salmon]

after 3 years of offering light and spirit, she's finally have enough to come down here

[fickle snow]

😮 true!