lore-discussion-spoilers

[spring python]

It’s funny to pretend Sky kids cannot comprehend what he’s saying and the whole of LP was a confusing ride for them

[lusty merlin]

Omgg

[keen shore]

I know @rigid mural has a concept that Vault is like a golden record of the kingdom’s history and culture. They might want to explain it themselves but if they don’t feel up to it I can!

[rigid mural]

im busy rn but i will gladly elaborate after !

[spring python]

I mean I sort of had the impression each level was storing a region’s story cause of the constellations

[lusty merlin]

Joke theory but what if the little prince is our skykids imaginary friend I don’t think the prince can keep up with a few thousand skykids at once

[lusty merlin]

Yeah I thought about that too! I haven’t inspected each level in depth but I want to do it somtime

[spring python]

We got some grim imaginations if we killed our imaginary friend off like that

[untold notch]

it's like coping by writing

[lusty merlin]

Maybe it’s our skykids growing up and letting go of out imaginary friend friend like what happens irl

[keen shore]

How did our skykid know what gender was to think of this

[snow cosmos]

no need to call the entire channel out like that /lh, j

[frigid tinsel]

you say that as a joke but Ash implied that once

[lusty merlin]

We’ll never know

[spring python]

You don’t need to know what gender someone is to know they’re dead

My broski little prince rocking those was/were pronouns 😍

[untold notch]

death by copyright law HELP

[lusty merlin]

Help-

[spring python]

Like I know I’m probably wrong but I love to pretend that sky kids are the toddlers of the world so Megabird keeps letting them reincarnate

Idk I just love to pretend everyone just know they’re like absolute babies even spirits like awe look at them go

[untold notch]

they'd run into a table and kinda stumble backwards before continuing running

[lusty merlin]

They fall 50ft and are completely fine

[spring python]

HELP they copy whatever spirits do like babies and they’re awe struck

[slim plume]

That's just any time someone bonks their head in the Valley races

[spring python]

I kinda wish the server load was bigger just because I like to think the world is currently fully populated by sky kids who don’t know how to use their predecessors technology and live a much simpler life by comparison

[lusty merlin]

Yeah I can imagine social spaces having 20 skykids atleast

[spring python]

Yea and Sanctuary is like a hotspot

[slim plume]

I feel like the seasonal areas would be inhabited by skids who take breaks from all the candle running and weekly-sacrifice to Eden because Home just doesn't feel canon to me

But like... imagine all the buildings in Village of Dreams being occupied and filled with warmth and light again and the Dreams Guide is just watching with pure love and adoration

[lusty merlin]

Thats so cute oughhhh😭

[spring python]

Crying Rn, and I agree, I think home feels too impersonal

[untold notch]

home is where the heart is or whatever

[lusty merlin]

It’s honestly the less time to spend too in my opinion

[snow cosmos]

in my 'verse skykids land wherever when they fall, and often but not always end up adopting that realm as their home when they're not travelling

[spring python]

Sort of on that topic do u think the little prince’s death would have been like, super shocking to sky kids? Because to them death is not foreign but it’s not that permanent either. They die multiple times and they can interact with people who have died, its not like a barrier.

It’d be like, if we heard of someone who has a permanent migraine yk? Like we know what migraines are we just feel shock if we hear that it’s permanent for someone

[slim plume]

And not just Dreams too...

Prophecy Caves having an entire ant colony-like cave system of different skids living simple lives.
Assembly gaining an entire society of skids inhabiting trees, building sheltered walkways to protect from the rain, etc.
Wind Paths having navigators and skids dedicated to continuing the Flight crew's legacy of protecting light creatures
Sanctuary being, well, a sanctuary. Probably the closest thing to a city for the skids
Starlight Desert being a mainly uninhabited place, but still housing skids who prepare themselves for Eden or try to clear their minds of regrets (I'd see it being a place where skids go to reflect on themselves)

I know there's other seasons, but those are the things that first came up in my mind and just like- the endless possibilities...

[spring python]

YEAAAH like I love the idea that different places have different little live styles for their skids

[tepid veldt]

shattering kids like to vibe in darkness

[round parrot]

Astral with the Hollow Knight references

[tepid veldt]

yo there’s knight bob too?

[untold notch]

I've been consuming content recently

[sharp lichen]

Why doesn’t Home feel canon? I’ve thought about it, and it feels canon to the Skykids, especially because portals exist in other parts of Sky

[slim plume]

It felt more like a means to an end rather than an actual, physical place. The only thing in there constantly are the dailies shrine, the portals, the constellation table, and the wardrobe. With the occasional boat spells, travelling spirit, and "days of" guide too. It feels more like a gameplay mechanic to me rather than anything tangible in the canon

[lyric isle]

I made an infographic to try to explain the lightblur concepts a couple of people who frequent lore chat share!

These are in no way canon; these are just some shared headcanons and I thought illustrating them with simple diagrams could help those hearing these with no idea what they mean

I don’t know why food names beginning with s became the naming scheme but here we are

[sharp lichen]

I mean, it does exist in the official Sky map, and is in the Isle temple. Home was always a big part of Sky, it doesn’t seem like it’s just something to be thrown away as non-canon

[lyric isle]

acc is short for according, to clarify

[keen shore]

THIS INFOGRAPHIC IS REALLY GOOD AND WAS VERY NEEDED TY FOR MAKING IT!

[rigid mural]

vol you dropped this 👑

[lyric isle]

AWWW THANK YOUUUUU

[uncut pond]

Home is in the isle temple??

[rigid iron]

Alternative concept: somewhere in-between salad and soup where two separate lights in one body shish-kebab each other. Salsa maybe, like kind of chunky but some parts liquid.

Top ten paragraphs that make no sense without context

[lyric isle]

that idea is really cool tbh; curious to see if it works

[spring python]

Do they just constantly switch personalities or..?

[untold notch]

I think it's like. linguistic osmosis brb sorry

[lyric isle]

so sort of a case of salad where the cores have partially merged/influenced one another, but not completely? ooooo

[rigid iron]

My main thought would be like how binary stars are gravitationally bound to each other and sometimes you can know there's another star just by the slight wobble in the orbit of the first, even if it's completely invisible to our sensors. Kind of like when you have two completely different people become friends and they start picking up each other's mannerisms from spending so much time together, but like closer than that. Maybe they're able to pick through each other's brains idk

[frigid tinsel]

That’s kinda what’s going on with my skids Hikemasu & Kiset cos they’re not separating each other well

[rigid iron]

Also cause sometimes I pick vegetables out of salsa (not picky, I just eat weird) and like even though the tomatoes and onions and everything are different chunks they pick up the taste of the other stuff

[frigid tinsel]

Hikemasu has Kiset’s soul inside their shell, so they’re essentially sharing the body, but light is fluid and likes to connect so there is a risk of their souls “merging” to become one aka souping. But in their salad state, their lights influence each other, meaning they can feel each other’s emotions and influence the other’s feelings.

Hikemasu: better than nothing. Would be easier if you would help me.
Kiset: I do help you. I avoid your core, but I can’t do anything when your light pushes into me.
H: there’s still two of us.
K: and what if there isn’t?
H: Kiset–
K: we try, Hikemasu. We sort ourselves, we push each other back, we categorize our memories, but I’m feeling your disgust as much as you’re feeling my intrigue. I can’t tell whether the little aversion I have to the idea of completely giving up my light is actually mine or you influencing me. We are living a thought experiment, challenging our preconceptions about identity, personhood, and individuality.
H: you want results, but there’s no going back if we decide to merge.

[rigid iron]

There is no onion in my tomato but I can taste the presence of the onion like a scientist would see the wobble of a star and go "something is there". I didn't use to say HELP when something was funny but now I do. I have a friend onion in my orbit

[frigid tinsel]

And here Kiset isn’t sure if they’re genuinely remorseful about what they did to Hikemasu, but they still feel the urge to apologize

Kiset is in italics cos they don’t need to speak out loud — Hikemasu hears them well that Kiset’s voice comes across as Hikey’s thoughts.

So they are a salad cos until they gave up and merged, Hikemasu & Kiset were distinct souls in one body, however their emanating light does influence each other

[austere bridge]

new lightblur: salsa
in between soup and salad

[frigid tinsel]

This is also true for Pioneer in my fic

[untold notch]

love that linguistic osmosis big fan happens to me all the time

[lyric isle]

bringing up Toiba just to demonstrate the concept of shish-kebab for comparison

they’re the origin of the concept. they spend so much time around and very near birds that they’ve influenced their being; their collective light has affected theirs

more gradual than the changes of souping, but similar in that aspect. it’s why they at first feel a constant pull to be with ‘their kin’, then start picking up various increasingly prevalent instincts and traits over time from them. (it’s also the reason they have the characteristic feathers of various figures similar to them in nature (say, the troupe twins ), but they’re particularly insecure about this.)

they don’t feel very great about how suddenly all this started, but they grow accustomed to and embrace their avian nature proudly eventually

[white junco]

oh my god Bea are you still haunted
also this is really sweet sorry i’m easily distracted

[lyric isle]

not sure if the progression is from continual exposure but it probably is

[frigid tinsel]

I’d imagine continual exposure would provide opportunities for the effects of lightburring to intensify

[lyric isle]

yea that’s how I see it!

at first they couldn’t tell anything had changed as before this triggered they liked to imitate birds at what they do anyway

thought they were just getting better at their impressions. it was feeling and acting upon impulses and instincts outside of these places that caused the realisation that something had happened

[frigid tinsel]

Realizing that cos Tomatoá post-shard spends so much time among mantas they could get shishkebabed with mantas, but given the shard souped them with multiple mantas already, it’d be hard to tell the difference.

[keen shore]

I don’t know how to feel about the fact that I was immediately able to understand this

[sharp lichen]

I know how to feel: all of you are too hungry

[frigid tinsel]

I actually just ate, thank you very much

[keen shore]

How many people has Vela influenced to say HELP as an expression of shocked amusement
I’m gonna quote the phrase friend onion in my orbit a lot now

[white junco]

i have a guess on who i picked it up from

[keen shore]

Flexing on shushing light scholar by eating a tasty and nutritious meal

[frigid tinsel]

I’ve seen increasing usage of “y’all” among you

[lyric isle]

it was probably upon noticing they were perching on the delivery boat (they work in a postal service) that it hit them that it was Not just mimicry nor something they did exclusively around birds. That explained a few too many things, scarily in fact

[white junco]

among you say

[frigid tinsel]

None of these words are normal anymore

[tepid veldt]

everything must be analyzed for their hidden meaning

[white junco]

i have to hold myself back from stealing your british slang

[frigid tinsel]

I still don’t know where I got the British slang from
(Context: I’m American)

[white junco]

i’ve got some british slang in the mix too but it’s different stuff

[lyric isle]

I have some probably where I’m from but I’m not entirely sure what

[keen shore]

I hope I am not just evil to you all but an onion in your orbit as well 💛

[frigid tinsel]

Onions make me cry so yea you are

[snow cosmos]

pretty sure i've passed "brainwave" on to at least two of you, have definitely absorbed some of your speech patterns as well. you are all friend onions in my orbit 💚

[sharp lichen]

Be careful, we don’t want to discuss Crab Whisperer’s terrible food takes yet again and cause a civil war

[lusty merlin]

They like chocolate coated salami

Also Vol’s infographic is really intersting

[keen shore]

wait why am I being covered in chocolate

[snow cosmos]

HELP

[sharp lichen]

Somehow, I have a relevant fic excerpt

[untold notch]

:3c

[quick jasper]

salem(i)

[lusty merlin]

NOT YOU DONT WORRY, THE SALAMI MEAT I MEANT

[sharp lichen]

Would CW eat this?

[lusty merlin]

To me they’ll eat anything if it’s edible CE would like it

[snow cosmos]

scavenger mentality - can't afford to be picky

[keen shore]

I think crab whisperer would try to eat a seagull

[lusty merlin]

Im now imagine them doing that trick where you bury yourself in the sand with their cape covering them to wait for a seagull to land to catch one

[untold notch]

"try to steal my food again I dare you"

[uncut pond]

w h a t d i d I j u s t r e a d

[snow cosmos]

just because you pelican doesn't mean you pelishould -CW probably

[sharp lichen]

A crab boiled in coffee for 2 hours, then served on a baguette

[uncut pond]

I think this gotta be one of the worst food crimes in this chat yet (compliment)

[frigid tinsel]

Well Reddit did it first

[lusty merlin]

Unrelated but this reminded me how fast skykids can dig themselves underground with the candle and crab trick spells, lil drill’s💖

[quick jasper]

why is that a thing

[lusty merlin]

It’s so…. Brown? The crab looks like clay

[keen shore]

The crab was originally boiled in Pepsi before it was put on the baguette, get your crab crimes right /hj

[uncut pond]

Oh. Oh. Well I can't say I'm surprised, it's reddit
(this was meant as a response to Alasdair, mb)

[tepid veldt]

do you think the crab enjoyed that

[lusty merlin]

Let’s ask the crab: 🦀 💀

[keen shore]

I don’t think crab whisperer would eat any crab. They would eat nyquil chicken though

[sharp lichen]

In my newest fic, CW eats raw coffee beans regularly

[keen shore]

Crab Whisperer is the hat man you see after you take 17 red light

[uncut pond]

I like to think crabs are like the one thing cw wouldn't eat. Like, they'd eat another ancestor before they eat a crab

[rigid mural]

THE WHO

[keen shore]

oh suddenly this is no longer a safe space

[tepid veldt]

should i ask for context or run away

[sharp lichen]

RUN

[keen shore]

you ever get so tired you start seeing spiders? /ref

[lusty merlin]

A man with a lot of hats (I also don’t know context)

I usually just see static for so reason or stuff looks staticy 😭 (oh help-)

[tepid veldt]

yes i think i will take boardshoe’s advice

[uncut pond]

You can run but you can't hide
Be prepared

[lusty merlin]

Brb my cat demands pets and that requires my full attention

[quick jasper]

the context:

[tepid veldt]

ah

[snow cosmos]

you can run but the hat man will still find you

[lusty merlin]

Back

[rigid iron]

I'd ping Ash but they don't seem to be active right now 💔

[lusty merlin]

Best edit of the year

[rigid iron]

I'm not even lying when I say they were honestly really good

[tepid veldt]

the quality crashed but i think i made it better

[rigid iron]

Gotta love discord compression

[lusty merlin]

Love when my art degrades and small details are compressed out of existence 🥳

[rigid iron]

The sweet and salty and spicy was honestly genius, I'd move to valley if that's what they're eating over there

[quick jasper]

dang i kinda wanna try that now

[rigid iron]

I should try the cheeto milk sunbather special next

[rigid iron]

Akdhdj I saw this while backreading yeah the ghosts are still here

Week 2 of being haunted, the ghosts and I have come to an agreement over spicy apples

[untold notch]

consuming the salt has created a barrier they cannot pass, trapping them within you

[tepid veldt]

does that mean bea souped with ghosts

[sharp lichen]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[keen shore]

I keep rewatching this completely transfixed
And yes, salt and pepper apple slices are very good actually and I’m tired of pretending they’re not.

[rigid iron]

If you pretended they're not good you didn't do a very good job

[sharp lichen]

YALL NEED AN ACTUAL SPICE CABINET SALT AND PEPPER ARE NOT GOOD SUBSTITUTES

[keen shore]

I didn’t actually I just said that for dramatic effect

[rigid iron]

Bold of you to assume my spice collection fits in a cabinet

[untold notch]

you're concerned about that and not the apples

[quick jasper]

gonna go make me some salt and pepper apples brb

[lusty merlin]

S&P apple slices is lore charts official dish

[noble ferry]

y'all need to open a lore chat restaurant
the placemats involve crossword puzzles of lore chat terms and also grandma's buns also get served

[rigid iron]

Baud thinks the apples need to be spicier 1 like=1 spice (I'm joking...or am I?)

[untold notch]

I fully believe you will actually do this have a like

[rigid iron]

This isn't all of my spices I just didn't want to drag the spice box out with the expensive ones

I have like standards...or something. Maybe not?

[rigid mural]

cayenne goes really well with sauteed veggies

[quick jasper]

they have been made ( they look so bad LMAO )

this just feels like eating a slightly unusual apple. 7/10 for a snack

if i wanted a spicy apple i would've just put some tajin on it

[rigid iron]

Someone needs to send the twins some tajin stat

[sharp lichen]

Looking at your cabinet:

Each apple requires about 1/4 cup of spice, so here goes:

A large pinch of cumin
A pinch of ground ginger
Pinch of chili powder
Tablespoon of black pepper
Pinch of nutmeg
Salt to taste
Optionally Mint, Lemon/Lime, or the tiniest drip of Honey

Combine the spices together until powderized, add the optional ingredients later, and you have an ersatz Chaat Masala!

[keen shore]

I say this in the kindest way possible, but putting us in charge of making any food, especially ones specifically made to be unique, is quite possibly the worst idea ever made

[rigid iron]

Ooh thank you! I'll have to try that. I know I have a bag of garam masala hiding somewhere but I've never used chaat masala before is the substitute close or would I be better off finding the real thing?

Next time on lore chat restaurant! The cackling crab enchantment pot sauce 💚

[sharp lichen]

Honestly, it’s nothing compared to the real chaat masala. It’s perfect for most kinds of fruits, though sliced apples with chaat masala remains a favorite of mine. That’s the reason why I don’t like apples with pepper and salt, apples with chaat masala are so incomprehensibly better that I can’t imagine doing what the Valley Elders did

[rigid iron]

Valley elders gift list:

• Tajin
• Chaat masala

[quick jasper]

every culture throwing spices at the valley elders rn. please take them. anything but salt and pepper apples you have so many more options

[keen shore]

I could be wrong but I think that even if given other spice options Sunset would still just use only salt and pepper specifically

[rigid iron]

I wholeheartedly believe they just do it to mess with people

[lusty merlin]

Hey imma talk about hidden forest erosion In depth, see these trees? The roots, like number one sign of erosion, and the close to the temple the less grass that grows that’s also a sign of erosion, pairing that with the rain that softens ground and it’s the perfect set up for mining accidents like tearful and mindful’s.
Even then if you think of the forest caves below they would probably go under the area where the orange light is and the main entrance to the platforms which got some nasty erosion shown by the tree roots. Hence the rock slide accident in mindfuls memory , also could explain the collapsed builds because the foundation changed so much. Even in the area before there’s some exposed tree roots, I think the only area unaffected by erosion is the 1st area in forest.

Tl;dr Erosion is booming in Forest and it was quite literally starting to collapse on itself

[keen shore]

YEAH THIS MAKES A LOT OF SENSE AND IM GLAD YOU BROUGHT IT UP AGAIN,

I would assume that realistically, this is due to the rain, but my friend Eclipse @white junco wrote an amazing piece a while ago about Forest undergoing a massive flood in order to put out a wildfire and that’s what I like to imagine the erosion is from

[lusty merlin]

yeah that too! And would make total sence as a last ditch effort to save it

also doesnt help the amount of trees they were cutting down so that probably sped the erosion up cuz trees help keep the ground together if im right

[keen shore]

I also like thinking about this as it relates to the elders are their realms theory but I haven’t gotten very far with how that would work,

[frigid tinsel]

Forest could also be facing erosion due to deforestation — there are a lot of tree stumps and possibly uprooted trees. Apologetic Lumberjack suggests that there was a lumber industry and knowing all things ancestors, they prob didn’t moderate how many trees they cut down too

[lusty merlin]

yeah 100% I feel like their main reasoning would be "there's so many trees it'll be fine" (it was not fine), plus erosion can be very quick or take SOOO long to even notice, maybe it started out really slow so nobody noticed until it was way to late

[keen shore]

Forest in general has a big theme of destroying and hurting itself for the sake of progress and that plus the elders are their realms theory shaped my perception of Rain a lot I will not lie

[untold notch]

teenager moment

[lusty merlin]

aughh yeah that, and i really like that theory too; Valley is probably in the most pristine condition because the twins got each other to support one another, not a single darkness plant. Meanwhile Day seem okay, just tired but it still has darkness, the other realms are just, struggling, Vault looks okay inside but outside (starlight desert) is just a purple wasteland that's slowly starting to heal in some places flowers and grass near rose. Same for isle but their entire realm isint sand only the lower part,

[copper torrent]

Has anyone ever considered that Aurora may be our Eden elder? I know that sounds weird but

[keen shore]

Yeah, the elders are their realms theory is really devastating and it makes so much sense, hence why I really like it
Wasteland is also very Badly messed up too

[lusty merlin]

i highly doupt it, compared to the eden mural that is probably the eden elder with the mural in harmony hall (that was confirmed to be aurora to act as a hint for the season) they don't look alike unfortunely

maybe if there were more similarities it could work but to me their just another demi god, but its cool to think of none the less

[frigid tinsel]

Worth noting that there are darkness plants in Valley — the catacombs

[lusty merlin]

there is? OO YEAH I FORGOT ABOUT THE TWINS CRAB PIT

maybe the darkness originally starts at the temple's, but they slowly grow away from it to more suitable places. maybe the twins were stronger together and were able to keep the darkness at bay to an extent?

[tough coral]

I joke about the crab pit but i do genuinely believe that the crabs in the valley temple maze belonged to the twins. as pets most likely

[white junco]

grabs you shakes you ik this was an hour ago but ly bestie

[hasty temple]

👀👀👀👀

[lusty merlin]

brainrot is real imagine the elders being able to shapeshift into their animal concept designs and just wander around their realm

like i can see it, teth just wanting to de stress from elder duties and being like "screw it, lynx time"

[rigid mural]

@keen shore

[white junco]

LYNX TIME

[lusty merlin]

add on, sometimes ancestors find the elders in their animal forms and now see them as local cryptids or mythical animals that they've told the elders about many times but they always suspiciously dismiss their claims

[copper saffron]

i did make a joke theory that aurora is the prince/king lmao

[slim plume]

This is beautiful, thank you

[frigid tinsel]

Tac that is so cool

[untold notch]

instead of undercover boss it's undercover cat

[frigid tinsel]

Undercover boss cat

[tough coral]

Hey lorechat im going on a lore ramble to my friends does anyone have a picture showing the inside of the music shop (mainly looking for the architecture here- less interested in the contents of the shelves and more the structure of the building itself)

its... for reasons involving "sniv goes crazy about what the music shop and performance spirits imply for the lore about how spirits work and just sky as a whole"

[frigid tinsel]

Harmony Hall

[tough coral]

THANK YOU SO MUCH youre a lifesaver i promise to explain what im on about once i actually have some spare time but rn i only have time to tell my friends

[frigid tinsel]

Have some more

[tough coral]

All im gonna explain for now is that this building is literally in some of the BEST CONDITION out of any building in sky despite being in the valley, which is fairly close to eden, and the level of detail and evenness and quality in this construction does not seem like the work of skykids

okay ive got a moment- i am absolutely CONVINCED that the only reasonable explanation for how the music shop is so intact is because of the performance spirits

[frigid tinsel]

Valley in general seems well-preserved. Also the music shop only opened after quest 3 or 4 but was still there, so perhaps the Performance spirits worked on it before then to fix any disrepair, which could’ve been minor to start with.

[tough coral]

Think about it. They maybe painted those backdrops after they died. Couldve been skykids but also could have not been skykids and the stagehand is depicted with a paint stained rag iirc. also they... they choose to stay as spirits in the living world instead of ascending bc theyre always in the music shop??? which??? are they just there for the skykids sake or are they actually able to live fairly enjoyable lives as ghosts and is there a reason for that and is it because they are able to tangibly interact with the world around them

[frigid tinsel]

Performance spirits sans guide do ascend after the final quest

[tough coral]

are spirits slowly becoming more and more physical as the world heals. Are skykids starting to help them less by Letting Them Pass On and more by Letting Them Interact With The World
also i know they do but like theyre gone for two seconds and are immediately back in the music shop and iirc stagehand backstage

They could've just as easily been doing that to be dramatic as they couldve been doing it genuinely and then changing their minds

but like. If the performance spirits are responsible for fixing up the music shop that implies they're able to tangibly affect the world which in turn implies that spirits are either wildly varying in their physical presence or are slowly becoming more physical which is a HUGE DEAL

[round parrot]

Off topic question, but may I ask if the effects of using a certain colored light for too much affect Skykids? Or is it only limited to ancestors?

[lyric isle]

slightly edited version of my Lightblur Phenomena infographic as per request. if you share it around, please share this one

[frigid tinsel]

@keen shore your time to shine

[tough coral]

sooner or later we could be getting seasons that take place entirely in the present day if spirits are becoming more tangible. and the symbolism behind that? behind skykids helping the world heal and helping the spirits by giving them a chance to keep living their lives rather than letting them finally die? That is the kinda thing i am CRAZY FOR that is. oh boy. putting the past to rest by inviting it into the present. a final rest in the sense of having forever ahead of you and no urgency, no ticking time limit, no certain end looming, all the time in the world to live your life a thousand times over at your own pace, a thousand lifetimes to live even in death. the kindness of a second chance rather than the kindness of an end to the suffering. That's. ough

[untold notch]

this peace is what all warriors strive for /ref

[soft timber]

TAC PLEASE

[untold notch]

I mean if it just walks around I don't see what all the worry is about

[keen shore]

YOU ARE SO RIGHT I WOULD ALSO WANT TO GO INTO LYNX FORM WHENEVER. BEST EVER IDEA

[untold notch]

I know that this is a meme but how would the transformation work. is it like animorphs please say it's not like animorphs

[soft timber]

It is very much like animorphs

[tough coral]

sometimes im sad that the valley twins never got a cool beast concept art but like. Consider: secretary birds/some sort of mustelid

[soft timber]

Imagine if and just straight up be like lemurs or some kind of Old World monkey

[tough coral]

mush these 2 things together and u got the exact vibes of the twins

[untold notch]

immediate fear for spider tsadi transformation

[soft timber]

YES, JUST SPEED, SKILL, AND A WHOLE LOT OF ZYOOM

[tough coral]

immediate adoration for spider tsadi transformation (this is a friend) (spider grandpa) (in this house we appreciate spider grandpa)

[untold notch]

I would think sprouting limbs would hurt is all

[soft timber]

This is assuming they were human

[untold notch]

also because it's tsadi who is well known for not having a single good thing ever

[tough coral]

i actually designed a king Cool Beast Form once. for funsies. would any1 be interested in Seeing

[untold notch]

I would like to Seeing yes

[tough coral]

here they are! i put sooooo much symbolism into this one btw literally every design choice here represents something

•vulture body represents a connection to megabird (vultures being. yknow. Large Birds associated with death)
•wings are pinioned- trapped and grounded by the responsibilities that come with being king
•krill parts fading to the spirit starry pattern representing the downfall of the kingdom
•broken mask represents both the loss of the kingdom and their status and freedom- the masked side has a broken horn, clipped down to a harmless stub, while the unmasked side is intact, able to fight back, able to say "no, no, that's not what's going to happen"
•crystals coming from wings and chest r sorta. skykid symbolism. the responsibility and the guilt of what happened weighing them down, all the blame of it on them, when someone so young (assuming they were a skykid) should NEVER have been given such an important role in the first place

[dapper basin]

Wanna ask, is there a complete history for the Sky Kingdom? Like who even is the King? And how did the darkness come to the land?

[lusty merlin]

The history is basically crumbs we try to piece togeather. Despite what a lot of people may think (king being a skykid that fell from ushering stargazer’s memory, which even then couldn’t work because skykid and elders are confirmed different species)

We really got no solid clue who the king could’ve been or how the darkness even started, main theory is pollution, but that’s where it get interesting because you can come to your own conclusions on how the story could work, for me personally I’m slowly phasing out the idea that the king is even in the sky world anymore

(Mainly because i don’t wanna bother fitting them into my interpretation anymore💀)

[lusty merlin]

Also this is super cool whoaaa

[rigid iron]

Oh hey is Salem's colored light explanation gone? I was gonna put aside some time to read it but now I can't find it

[rigid mural]

Uhhh wth, it looks like they got muted ???

[lusty merlin]

That’s super weird what??😭

[rigid iron]

like...no warning or anything??

[spring python]

Did they hit the censor too fast? 😭

[round parrot]

I was in the middle of reading it when all the sudden it got deleted
I honestly thought that I was hallucinating

[quick jasper]

#freesalem why are they muted

[snow cosmos]

that's really odd, i don't think xe said anything that would warrant a mute out of nowhere?

[rigid mural]

Not the first time they get muted for nothing.

[frigid tinsel]

Salem muted for no good reason 2: electric boogaloo

[lusty merlin]

Typical sky server L #freesalem

[quick jasper]

silenced for having good lore takes

[spring python]

They were too powerful

[lusty merlin]

If they’ve been muted before how long does it usually last for if I may ask?

[rigid mural]

Until the mod decides to unmute them.

[frigid tinsel]

afaik mutes come with a warning stating how long one was muted for unless it was automatic, but even then it seems mutes can only be manually unmuted

[lusty merlin]

That’s so dumb😭

[rigid mural]

It's likely a mod because Skybot snipes messages right away.

[frigid tinsel]

Like many things in the Skycord mod team

[quick jasper]

they did that for what!! let xem speak!!!

[keen shore]

Update: I have now been mysteriously released

[lusty merlin]

SALEM HAS BEEN FREED

[spring python]

Gasp

[frigid tinsel]

🎉🎉🎉

[quick jasper]

FREE FROM SILENCE JAIL

[snow cosmos]

WOO, SALEM W

[frigid tinsel]

Welcome back to the land of the living

[keen shore]

Time to instantly post about soup again

[quick jasper]

guess skybot wasn't a soup enjoyer

[snow cosmos]

skybot was afraid of you spreading the soup gospel, too powerful

[quick jasper]

soup too good, got thrown into the shadow realm

[keen shore]

The problem was apparently that my message was too long and triggered the spam filter so I’m going to post each light individually

[rigid mural]

??? I've seen longer messages be fine tho ???

[keen shore]

Yeah, I’m not really sure about that either. I guess the best decision is just to roll with it.

[lusty merlin]

This entire spongeBob scene sums up this entire situation imo

Anyways soup theory time

[rigid mural]

HOW ARE YOU SO FAST

[lusty merlin]

I HAVE VIDEOSTAR AND WAS A INSTAGRAM FAN EDITOR IN 2018😭

[spring python]

Soup

[keen shore]

Okay so here goes. The Retyping

Skykids can be colored-light souped too. They’re less susceptible to it than ancestors, but more susceptible to elders; this is because of the amount of light each of them have. [Ancestors have the least light and so are quickly affected by any changes to it, whereas elders and skykids have more and so it takes more colored light to give them visible changes].

Colored-light souping affects personality, with each light having a list of personality traits associated with them. I compiled these partially based on my perception of each elders’ and enchantment spirits’ personalities, with some oc stuff and some observations on the behavior of each element thrown into the mix. You’ll notice some traits repeat across categories, while others are direct opposites; this is because I see some lights as related and others as opposite to each other. I can explain this later.

Colored light souping can also cause memory loss depending on its degree

[lusty merlin]

it begins

[flat tangle]

Woah..
That's pretty in depth

[keen shore]

Starting off, we have

Red / Void / Tradition
• resistance to change
• superstition; generally ritualistic behaviors
• stubbornness
• Attempt to control everything as much as possible; intense anxiety when the situation is beyond their control
• Can also manifest with aspects of depression, especially in relation to sluggishness
• Struggles with task inertia

[spring python]

Why am I relating to a colored light

[frigid tinsel]

Hikey

[quick jasper]

WHO souped me with a red light irl

[flat tangle]

Okay
Soo I have a smol doubt
If skids have more light when they share it with elders do you think they permanently kinda combine with the elder's light.

And since the elders are in a weak state when skids give small proportions of their light to the elders is it possible that the elders slowly regain their lost strength

[keen shore]

Orange / Fire / Courage
• Recklessness; carelessness about own safety
• Increased energy & activity levels
• Impulsivity
• Impatience
• Fixates easily on things but burns through that fixation really fast. Often approaches tasks in cycles of diving very deeply into them & getting over their head, then burning out fast and having to take a break, and then finally repeating that cycle.
• More prone to loneliness.
• prioritizes helping others over helping themself, especially when this tendency leads to ignoring or downplaying their own needs.

[quick jasper]

well now red and orange just sound like my adhd

[keen shore]

I accidentally made like half of these just adhd and autism but magical so like

[flat tangle]

They are ABSOLUTELY AMAZING. Good job!

[soft timber]

This is all just me with patience

[spring python]

Me when my adhd doesn’t let me fly it just gives me anger issues instead

[soft timber]

Calling me out I see, me and my possibly undiagnosed autism and ADHD

[snow cosmos]

red: autism (low-energy)
orange: adhd (impulsive)
green: autism (low-energy, hyperempathy)
cyan: adhd (task-switching)
blue: adhdtism (hyperfocus, sometimes low empathy)
purple: autism (high-energy)

[quick jasper]

truly feeling like right now

[soft timber]

This

[keen shore]

Yellow is uncolored/passive light and I’m still debating if it can cause personality changes, which means Green is next.

Green / Earth / Tenacity
• Tendency to quietly endure bad situations instead of making an effort to stop them.
• Quiet, but steady.
• Tendency to focus all their energy into one thing (especially taking care of others) and leaving little for themselves or other things.
• Hyperempathy
• Prone to loneliness
• Feel down & less energetic if not around plants or animals a lot to ‘recharge’; Prone to seasonal depression
• Generally sluggish and not very energetic, tend to sleep more than the others

[earnest briar]

Magical autism and ADHD lights my beloved

[rigid mural]

Autism purple light, iykyk

[lusty merlin]

This is so cool oughhh 👍

[keen shore]

Green is definitely depression adjacent as well, sorry Day for giving you 2 kinds of depression (magical and normal)

[frigid tinsel]

Eh, Dusk has magical and normal depression & PTSD

[snow cosmos]

still doing better than Dusk [the midwest with 73 kinds of depression and also got stabbed]

[quick jasper]

depression²

[earnest briar]

Elder group therapy fic when?

[keen shore]

Thank you! Colored lights are like one of my favorite subjects so I take as many opportunities to mess around with them as possible

[snow cosmos]

rip to whoever got beaned

[frigid tinsel]

Hope they didn’t get muted

[soft timber]

Depression^2 but with a dash of anxiety and just sad

[keen shore]

This isn’t a competition smh, pitting two close siblings against each other. I bet this is why they understand each other so well

[rigid mural]

This is my son(a), they have every disease.

[earnest briar]

Megabird is totally the Elders’ group therapist lol

[frigid tinsel]

Indigo, beloved messed-up boy (nonbinary)

[snow cosmos]

indigo, poster child for purple light autism

[rigid mural]

Aiming the autism beam at the entire Vault of Knowledge, ESPECIALLY Shushing Light Scholar.

[frigid tinsel]

SLS is so autistic, they’re such a mood

[rigid mural]

Noise sensitivity creature.

[lusty merlin]

Is it alright if I use these light interpretations for inspo of how the elders would be characterized? this is super well done (ty Salem^^)

[earnest briar]

Oh honk guys I just realized something. So uhh the idea that people can be influenced by colored lights and the fact the lights are autism and ADHD-coded is kinda ableist because it implies that autism is a thing that can be caused and doesn’t happen naturally which is uh- yikes

[rigid mural]

I'm autistic.

[snow cosmos]

i think of it more as like... the colored light doesn't introduce new traits but rather amplifies existing ones?

[earnest briar]

Fair fair that makes sense.

[lusty merlin]

Color light amplifier’s real

[frigid tinsel]

Post relevant fic exercpts

[earnest briar]

Idk I think it would be cool if people were born naturally in tune with the colored lights and sometimes even have access to using the light powers from birth.

[snow cosmos]

you can also think of the colored lights as analogous to brain chemicals if that helps! presence of excess colored light leads to the brain working in a different way

[keen shore]

Autism and ADHD would both exist naturally outside of colored light souping, to clarify, and I didn’t make them similar intentionally 😔 it was definitely something I thought of after I had typed it out and backread it all

[low spindle]

Those ding dang color theories, just be pure light. Then you can be all the colors

[earnest briar]

Many Spirits are definitely autistic-coded tbh.

[frigid tinsel]

Oh cool I have that headcanon — it’s called a colored light affinity, wherein one’s inner light is naturally or coercively attuned to color light. It makes them more willing to seek out colored light as well as colored light to seek them out. Someone with a colored light affinity is like a colored light magnet and said colored light can be more reactive to the individual. One can be born with an affinity or an affinity can be induced by frequent exposure.

[snow cosmos]

this can also be true! i have one skykid who absorbed purple light as they fell (landed in Starlight Desert) so this is how they've always been, and i think @white junco's character Saga has a strong light attunement that's not correlated to being souped at all!

[keen shore]

yes!! in fact this is partially what they were intended for! The largest inspirations for each trait were their personalities as I believe they’re all colored light soups to some degree

[soft timber]

Also, it's more like "I can be more comfortable with myself knowing that I can see the same traits I display in a character and relate better" rather than "this is ableist and wrong"

[lusty merlin]

Chimesmith and jelly whisper especilly

[rigid mural]

If that's what you're worried about tho, it's just me projecting on spirits that chose to live in a quiet environment & in a place that would enable special interests, nothing wrong with that.

For the lights "causing" autism, I concede it may have been misunderstood because it's an inside joke and I apologize, my idea was the same as both Salems in that it exacerbated already existing traits (there's an interesting convo to be had about the diagnosis being done on excessive traits, not just their presence).
That and imo it takes a LOT of time in close proximity to a light for it to start warping you.

[lusty merlin]

Oo i see! That’s really intersting

[earnest briar]

I wonder if some people can be attuned to more than one colored light? Like how people can be on different levels of the autism spectrum.

[frigid tinsel]

For example, I have a skykid, Hikemasu, who already has anxiety and an adherence to rules. After they were red light souped, that anxiety became paranoia (didn’t help they started to see visions of things that darkness hid like the Ark murals) and they began wielding power to maintain a social order.

[keen shore]

Do y’all mind if i continue posting the other colored lights or would you rather have this discussion first? I’m struggling to tell whether it’s resolved or not, and I definitely think it’s important to have.

Colored light soups among ancestors would also be a lot rarer than the neurodivergencies (or in the case of green, mental illnesses) they parallel, if that helps.

And yeah, Enzan, I believe that! We had a conversation a while ago about very controlled colored light souping as something adjacent to mental illness medication. For example, someone who struggles with anxiety might microdose on orange light. I can totally see that being a thing for some aspects of colored light souping, not necessarily able to cancel out the traits it’s caused but to take the edge off of unequivocally harmful ones. For instance, I have it so that purple light soups can sometimes experience hallucinations and vivid terrifying nightmares, red light might help with that

[earnest briar]

Hey didn’t Hikemasu like straight up break Kiset’s body and slurp their light?

[frigid tinsel]

Hikemasu: no I didn’t eat Kiset.

But yea, Hikemasu destroyed Kiset’s shell and pulled Kiset’s soul into their own body, becoming skykid salad

[keen shore]

yes but they deserved it

It will always be funny to me how I started typing out these light traits and immediately stopped because I could name a bunch of ocs off the top of my head who this was half their personality and it made way too much sense

[frigid tinsel]

For context, Kiset is the reason Hikemasu became red light soup

[lusty merlin]

Im fine with either You can keep on posting if you want, but if you want to have the discussion first that’s fine too ^^

[snow cosmos]

agreed, i'm fine to move on if everyone else is!

[untold notch]

wasteland doesn't have enough corn to be the Midwest

[keen shore]

I’m gonna finish up the traits list just for completion, feel free to talk around me if you need to!

Cyan / Air / Balance
• prefer being free & in the open; prone to claustrophobia
• Easily understands many different perspectives; perhaps too easily, as they want to please everyone and spiral or get anxious when they can’t.
• Indecisive
• Energetic
• Intensely competitive
• sometimes struggle with controlling the volume of their voice

[earnest briar]

Guys I’m sorry if I came off as uhh what’s the word, I think it’s white-knighting? I also have autism and I love the colored light stuff you guys have been talking about.

[low spindle]

Sounds like moths

[keen shore]

No it made sense and was a valid concern to raise! It’s something I didn’t catch myself so I appreciate you bringing it up.

[frigid tinsel]

Nah that wasn’t white-knighting, you had a valid concern and we just cleared up the misunderstanding

[earnest briar]

Aww, thanks. You guys have so many cool ideas and I love coming here and talking about them.

[keen shore]

Blue / Water / Patience
• extreme patience, often to the point of harming themselves & their health; IE — attempting the same task for ages, starting and restarting it to get it perfectly right, and refusing to give it up even when repeatedly failing and frustrating themselves.
• Perfectionistic
• Stubborn
• Struggle with interoception [perceiving and identifying sensations within the body, such as particular emotional responses or pain]
• Feel emotions strongly to the point of struggling to express them and coming off as apathetic.
• Tries to change their environment & the people around them to fit them, not the other way around, like water eroding stone.
• Can be unintentionally selfish or rude as they struggle with comprehending other people and their emotions. often struggle with navigating social situations due to this

^ I developed an entire non Sky oc based off this without realizing the autism parallels until months later when I described it and someone had to tell me this directly, oblivious

[earnest briar]

Omg that’s me. I struggle so much with adapting to stuff, plus I have so many issues trying to sort out and understand my emotions that I come off as uncaring. I’m a perfectionist and man am I stubborn when it comes to being told to do something I don’t want to do.

[low spindle]

Im starting to realize these light parallels are very close to how I think

[snow cosmos]

did you mean Analír aka Rain But Wolf

[frigid tinsel]

Personality types but for neurodiverse colored lights

[rigid mural]

Lore chat in: "Maybe I'm not as neurotypical as I thought"

[keen shore]

MOOD, I will be honest. Part of the descriptions I wrote for purple and orange light especially are based off my experiences and how I think, especially the “fixated on things and burn through it quickly” parts

[frigid tinsel]

Relevant

[quick jasper]

bold of you to assume i thought i was neurotypical in the first place

[keen shore]

I can also see cyan soups as being super competitive I forgot to add that one hold on

Finally,

Purple / Mind / Creativity
• Creative
• impulsive
• obsessive
• In severe cases, struggle with hallucinations and intense and vivid nightmares.
• Extremely curious & generally nosy; feel as if they have to experience Everything, sometimes harming themselves to do so (IE, sticking your hand over a flame to find out what burns feel like)
• hate structure and vastly prefer spontaneity
• Easily lost in their own thoughts
• love loud noises, activity, music, any kind of stimulation, and will actively seek it out — sometimes to their own detriment (as pain counts as stimulation)
• Constantly need enrichment and challenges, get easily depressed without them. Can do like 83 things at once and be equally focused on all of them somehow

[spring python]

Lmao I have severe anger issues, am super stubborn to the point it’s detrimental to me and struggle with inertia when I’m not medicated and to add to it my favorite color is red so

[keen shore]

Souped when you weren’t paying attention, my secret hobby

[lusty merlin]

Me with every text about the color lights:

[spring python]

Can I get my stability back

[keen shore]

unfortunately no I lost it in the war

[snow cosmos]

you can have some cyan light [balance] as an apology though

[spring python]

That’s fine I’ll just wage another war and find it dw about it

[quick jasper]

who souped me with orange and purple irl. what is this. why did i get turned into a Halloween color palette

[lusty merlin]

Also I relate heavy for green and a few from cyan, I’m usually told my voice is too loud a lot of the times even when I think it isn’t

Welcome to lore discussion where we find out what light were souped with

[snow cosmos]

does a little red-and-green boogie

[spring python]

I actually had soup for lunch yesterday Idk if this is relevant info

[keen shore]

Writing out the colored light traits based on how I see the elders and each element acting and slowly realizing I relate a bit too much

[quick jasper]

looks at soup irl damn lore chat would love that

[untold notch]

this is the most inconsequential hill but I Will die on it. corn is a defining feature of the Midwest

[keen shore]

what if it had corn but all the corn has died and now there’s just sand

[earnest briar]

We’re the ‘Why are you buying clothes at the soup store?’ meme but instead of clothes it’s colored lights

[snow cosmos]

consider: wasteland was farmland prior to being a wasteland

[untold notch]

if you're referring to pre war it works then but there's nothing now it's just like. wyoming or something

[keen shore]

Buying cosmetics from tearful light miner call that buying clothes from the soup store

[frigid tinsel]

When you actually get soup from the soup store

[snow cosmos]

HELP wyoming truly the nothingest state

[untold notch]

I don't know what happens in Wyoming but then again does anyone

[frigid tinsel]

Nothing happens in Wyoming

[snow cosmos]

iirc there are like. 2 escalators in all of wyoming and one is in the airport

[spring python]

Having war flashbacks Rn

[lusty merlin]

Gonna dip out cuz school starts soon but knowing me I’ll be back In 15 minutes see y’all

[untold notch]

I'm going to grab you

[spring python]

Trying to see if I can align any of my skid OC’s in this or if I just leave them be

[untold notch]

(actively at school ) yeah

[rigid mural]

They're so normal.

[frigid tinsel]

Yea.

[snow cosmos]

the normalest little boy (nb)

[untold notch]

hm I need to be poiple I think

[keen shore]

Fun fact, I consider all the elders varying degrees of colored light soup. I haven’t decided yet if they were always like this or if it was a slow thing that happened over time due to passive use of their powers to upkeep their realms.
If it’s the second one, I’ve decided that Rain is the most soup with Dusk in second place (as always)

[frigid tinsel]

The one thing Dusk is beat mental health wise

[rigid mural]

Night could be more progressive as the Vault wasn't always there.

[untold notch]

I need an outlet for science brain so bad

[keen shore]

oh I thought you said you needed to be people (fate worse than death) sorry

[untold notch]

oh no I just say words silly sometimes (onion as a replacement for opinion, etc)

[frigid tinsel]

It was my OC Nanif that ate Indigo btw. Nanif calls Indigo “supper”

[rigid mural]

"Night with a spawn point"

[snow cosmos]

i feel like none of my skids are on the same level as y'alls in terms of chaotic energy

[frigid tinsel]

W is Wanin, N is Nanif

[untold notch]

indigo is an outlier and will not be counted

[sharp lichen]

Same, all my OCs have things like law?? And morality??

[rigid mural]

Indigo would be florida man (like crab whisperer) if it wasn't for their insatiable curiosity.

[frigid tinsel]

Amander is chaotic neutral and Naihho is neutral good or lawful neutral, idk

[snow cosmos]

i wouldn't call my skids lawful, more just... comparatively tame?

[untold notch]

I don't think haze or lupo know what laws are

[spring python]

I havent named my children vberiagvb

[snow cosmos]

ermine and kat'ri are probably my two candidates for chaotic skids - ermine is Creature /positive and kat'ri is a little bit feral /neg

[untold notch]

cure.s is of course in the same boat as flight guide on that axis

[sharp lichen]

Riamair is the essence of lawful neutral, Ganjin’s just true neutral

[lusty merlin]

Would my skykid oc (that I have yet to name😭) that eats dark plants and crabs raw be considered chaotic neutral

[sharp lichen]

We’d need to know more

[spring python]

I have twins cause I like to think if a star gets torn in two when descending then the skids will be twins but idk what to name them

[untold notch]

then there's purple and the metallurge and the soldier and training that have very little substance to them

[lusty merlin]

They have a laidback personality of “messing around and and see what happens” for funsies, they eat dark plants and crabs because they just want to

[untold notch]

castor and Pollux is an option but that would be Rather Obvious Symbolism

[spring python]

im thinking astrid and arca but idkfbruiegbieu

[frigid tinsel]

A lot of my moth gang are chaotic if not slightly unhinged

[snow cosmos]

stares directly at Zadercaf

[frigid tinsel]

I would post fic excerpts but there is so much swearing

[rigid mural]

Omg I have twin ocs too ! Their names are Canary and Pinecone :]

[lusty merlin]

#sky-fanart-sketches-and-art-chat message updated design but them

[snow cosmos]

yo that's sick

[frigid tinsel]

Tac how are you this good

[keen shore]

those designs go hard, huge fan of when people add on to in game cosmetics or make their own, and you did it rlly well

[lusty merlin]

Many ideas that I want to express and share

[untold notch]

I need to give cure.s their own cosmetics they're a fanseason why wouldn't they have unique cosmetics

[frigid tinsel]

Admiring the way you drew the withered antlers, really gets the whole withered vibe

[spring python]

HIGH-FIVE also I love their names 😭

[lusty merlin]

Thank you! I also have one with their found family sibling from skytober cuz I love them #completed-sky-fanart-and-creations message

[spring python]

OH TAC I REMEMBER SEEING THAT DRAWING ITS SO COOL DJWIDNID

[austere bridge]

I rember one time people talking about “oh wait what if when skykids wear smthn like the dragon mask they get little dragon claws or birb mask gives lil birb talons”
I love that concept so so much

[lusty merlin]

Ive had them for an entire year and still don’t have a name for them 😭

[untold notch]

character creation is like that I think

[austere bridge]

does this mean cat mask gives toe beans? yes. yes it does.

[frigid tinsel]

Tac that is so cute omg

[lusty merlin]

Omg yeah that’s super cool!

[spring python]

When I’m done with my exams I’ll draw them properly 😔 they share tassels

[lusty merlin]

LOOK THEM THEM OMG

[rigid mural]

YEAH I name my ocs after nouns that fit the game's autogen naming conventions (alternating vowels and consonants), only exception is Bird Keeper, who is actually an elder bird soul in a Skykid body.

[untold notch]

I must away I have mischiefs to do

[spring python]

Yaah I see a lot of people using the sort of autogen names but ever since I started writing as a kid I was the sort to choose names with meanings and it’s a habit I struggle to let go 😭

[hushed steeple]

OKAY I AM BACK TO RECONSTRUCTING THE HC DATABASE FOR THIS SEASON

Can someone give me a quirky HC for Wayfarer, or as I like to call them, Veifer

[frigid tinsel]

The what

[hushed steeple]

my 89 pages worth of HC for the sprites of the kingsome

[austere bridge]

running idea generator
they are definitely amazing at either surfing, bodyboarding(surfing but laying down basically) or both

[snow cosmos]

some of my skids have autogen-compliant names (Lumi, Yivinu, Wisutri), others have word names (Grim, Kestrel, Harken, Fathom) and others are completely random (Sholaan, Toska)

i have it that skykids usually either name themselves get their names from other skykids, so the naming conventions vary

[hushed steeple]

sand body surfing

[spring python]

Auto mod is out for me today, I just wanna say Warrior of Love tried to off me 6 times and ran away at the speed of light and I’m never forgiving them

[rigid mural]

I'm giving performing skyfolks bird names (Robin, Tanager, Canary) so it fits their mask :]

Other names include Abalone (based off a selkie), Basil (a florist) and Wake/Horizon (they change their name after realizing some things).

[hushed steeple]

i think the mods are looking into it

they asked some of us if we had video of the maybe bug

[spring python]

Awe the name change 😭❤️

[keen shore]

Warrior of Love would never do this, what did you do to make them angry?? Smh

[hushed steeple]

whats another word for desert that isn’t wasteland?

[frigid tinsel]

Wasteland doesn’t even mean desert

[austere bridge]

I mean I think either the arctic or anarctic tundra counts as a desert due to the technical amount of precipitation

[hushed steeple]

sandy wasteland

[spring python]

they hate me because i tried to take over their homeland (overkill if u ask me)

[untold notch]

there are surprisingly few purple cosmetics in the game so it's hard for me to show that their cosmetics tend to appear as purple because they dont focus on their appearance so the purple light gets to be silly

[keen shore]

Oh same, I stole the valley temple and now Sunset is mad at me? Really weird and overdramatic imo

[spring python]

spirits are so dramatic smh

[snow cosmos]

you also salt and peppered their altar

[untold notch]

it's easiest to see when their mask triangles become purple the worst is when their hair starts having like purple highlights

they need custom cosmetics so bad there really is so little purple

[keen shore]

It was a peace offering they should be happy about it

[white junco]

ik this was like an hour ago but yea, Saga fell during the season of lightseekers & naturally has very strong light that they fine-tuned with Double Five Lightcatcher. They’re very skilled with light manipulation & can see what i’ve been calling the light web, aka the strands of light flowing through the kingdom that connect each being of light. they know a lot about the light cycle and are always willing to talk about it

sorry i am so snoozy all the time 💔

saga also looks like this, silly jelly enthusiast

[austere bridge]

silly little guy

[untold notch]

the silly

[white junco]

like to slap their jelly head

[rain pond]

it's time for more cursed food discussions

[calm ridge]

does anybody know how old sky kiddos are?

[frigid tinsel]

Could be any. Some age them as old as the player has played the game, some age skykids years to decades. But they physically resemble young pre-pubescent children

[calm ridge]

interesitng

oh my god me focusing on sky made me lose the ability to spell correctly

[austere bridge]

funny, I make sure to not abbreviate anything I say to other players in sky, just to make it easier for them to understand. (I do understand that there is a large portion of the sky fanbase that are not native English speakers, and I want to make it easier for them.)

[white junco]

yea there’s always a phase when talking to someone new where i speak super clearly because i have no idea if they’re using a translator or not

[untold notch]

i need to name my purple light kid... I'm not super satisfied with their cosmetics either but I didn't want it to seem like I was copying vela with indigo

[austere bridge]

how about
maroon
maroon is a shade of purple, right?

[tepid veldt]

i thought it was a shade of red but i dont know

[quick jasper]

maroon looks kinda red and purple...

[untold notch]

im not really in optimal headspace and I don't have enough emotional object permanence to get back where I was when I first made the picrew so idk why I brought it up if I'm not gonna be able to actually do anything

[jovial quarry]

hi! i was wondering if anyone knew if there is a big doc out there of compiled lore theories and things in and out of the game relating to it? i’d like to check it out and catch up on lore i might’ve missed throughout the years!

[untold notch]

now that I've directed you here I can say to look at the pins for lore stuff although that's not necessarily what you're asking about I am not aware of any such documents but other people might

[sudden smelt]

Is there any large document containing most of the lore compiled together?

[earnest briar]

This is the average Vault scholar's idea of a gourmet meal lol

[untold notch]

@opal scroll

[tepid veldt]

have we seen this type of lantern before ? kinda looks like playfight’s little orb that you got from them is inside

[rain pond]

spravelling lantern seller

[untold notch]

why is this here sorry

[boreal nebula]

Because I am sleepy and because I live more here in Lore than in other channels (so I didn't spotted Discord sending those pics in the wrong one) 😅

[untold notch]

mood honestly

[tough coral]

OH OH theres at least one in the storage room in the valley temple maze

[boreal nebula]

We can only see that lantern in the valley temple, beside in their memory there are also among the crates and shelves with firecrackers... which would explain where they got the sparklers for the emote 🎇

You have a good point, it could be that they used the same light as the magic orbs from Enchatment (or maybe just simple yellow light, despite those being maybe just worshipped by Lightseekers in the altar in the long cave in Isle), maybe in a more advanced age. Cause in the Switch Trailer (and I think on the animation preview) the ancient Ancestors, or at least they look like in a previous stage of the civilization) used telekinesis or animal connection to use tiny bitterflies/fireflies as light source for lanterns.

That being said, I had noticed that particular Sparkler's lantern too before they first arrived as TS (from my Sky expirience at least) and I was a bit disappoint they didn't had any lamp/lantern as prop but instead a simple pinwheel ♻️
I get it is cute, but I see wasted potential for something lesser than Days of Summer Light prop (because that is an IAP 💸 . Luckily we got a similar thing with Season of Assembly, the spotlight which is placeable and draggable prop

[boreal nebula]

Indeed

[copper charm]

Hello again chat! I do not bring audio this time, but instead an observation.

Has anyone else noticed how important the colors green, red/yellow, and usually two shades of blue tend to be?

I’m sure there are more, but yesterday I noticed how the aurora season’s capes and the prophecy season’s masks have very similar colors, or at least fall under the same color branch I’d say. The only color difference would be with the lion mask’s red marks and the seed cape’s yellow colors. Even then, I believe the two count was warm colors and that’s the only significant change.

I’m not really sure if this applies to anything, but I do think it’s interesting how these two seasons with the most “down to earth” characters have similar pallets. It’s making me think these colors have some sort of cultural significance in the world of sky. The main significance I could see with the colors at least would be the four major elements: water, earth, fire, and air. These elements do correspond somewhat with each spirit and their story, light blue meaning air (prophet of air and warrior of love spirit ((this spirit’s whole thing is being a manta rider and being in the sky))), dark blue meaning water (prophet of water and the running wayfarer spirit ((the spirit has no association with water, but we can assume this maybe applies to whatever the spirit is carrying and/or the isle being surrounded by water?))), green meaning earth (prophet of earth, mindful miner ((miner))), and red/yellow or generally warm colors meaning fire (prophet of fire, seed of hope ((we don’t know what their story is, unless you’ve seen beta content, but the song itself is about habitat destruction. Fire is an extremely destructive force, just as it can be a helpful one, so it may apply to this same system with that knowledge))).

[pastel brook]

look at it go, look at me dance over the Sky like a krill

[untold notch]

the problem with my purple light kid is that I keep accidentally basing them off myself somewhat but then it ends up getting messy because I have adhdtism and those are colored light traits so

[round parrot]

Reading back the colored light personality traits, just now realizing my OC, who is accosted with the green light is quite similar to the personality traits Salem shared

You live another day, dear OC

[sharp lichen]

An update to this:

Sometime between Prophecy and Enchantment, perhaps near the peak of the Sky kingdom, all the lights were in the possession of four Valley priests.

(After this season is completed I’ll do a more up-to-date theory)

@copper charm The lights also appear in the season of Enchantment and Sanctuary as well! The Sanctuary Guide uses the cyan light to create air that spins the bells around, and the Enchantment Spirits use the lights for a lot of effects.

[copper charm]

Oh hey, this was discussed before!

So it seems to be a personality/element thing?

[uncut pond]

The most important colors when it comes to symbolism in Sky are definitely warm yellows and cold blues, symbolizing light and dark respectively

Outside of that, colors usually seem to represent the different realms and their respective elements/traits (Enchantment lights and Aurora murals) or are just purely cosmetic (most spirit capes)

I haven't looked too much into the capes and masks of Aurora spirits but you definitely could be onto something

[copper charm]

Yellow and blue are definitely the most important. The best/worst part about colors is that they can have multiple meanings, which of course might be unique to each story. Whatever the case may be, I just noticed a small pattern here that I might keep an eye out for.

[round parrot]

Hello Lorechat! I bring you today three whole documents regarding on why Isle was excluded - which made me fall down a Starlight Desert rabbit hole (not as deep as I expected, but it is still a hole)
Ft: Zhii

Zhii's details he pointed out: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JEA0fCnPG7got0-dsAUTxYmmKu0beTURuEhXA6Db16c/edit?usp=sharing
Zhii's thoughts on the details:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cKKANFC9yJNEkhJbk6w6cG3RA3FLoHxyTPwOXelRIJs/edit?usp=sharing
My thoughts on a certain detail (specifically the Starlight Desert detail):
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IGsU_MYI1FR1xg6LGZ2MUAEotNymn3q29eJfY6b1M1Y/edit?usp=sharing

Gonna go rest my arms for typing for so long

[sharp lichen]

TLP lore is always good

[lusty merlin]

ooo this was really interesting to read

[untold notch]

I have a thought that goes something like red light darkness obscurity obscures daleth something something exclusion but that would be a concerningly wide scale

[slate saffron]

Who are the valley priests, if you don't mind me asking?

[sharp lichen]

The Season of Aurora spirits, I don't know what to call them but I don't like "season name+ spirits"

[slate saffron]

Ah, OK 👁️ 👄 👁️ 👍

[keen shore]

I don’t think warrior of love knows what an organized religion is to be honest

[untold notch]

good for them! good for them.

[slate saffron]

It takes two.... to start an organized faith centered around the worship of an all-seeing prophet

[untold notch]

today I will compile all of salems colored light descriptions for easier access I need to make a Google doc about all this light stuff eventually

[slate saffron]

Will this document help propagate the old faith?

You're typing & it scares me, have a wold

[untold notch]

Cat Salem's Colored Light Personality Traits*
Background Info/Context #lore-discussion-spoilers message

Red Light #lore-discussion-spoilers message

Orange Light #lore-discussion-spoilers message

Green Light (with a cameo from yellow!) #lore-discussion-spoilers message

Cyan Light #lore-discussion-spoilers message

Blue Light #lore-discussion-spoilers message

Purple Light #lore-discussion-spoilers message
*named so because there are two lore chat regulars named salem lol

[keen shore]

Wolfve

[untold notch]

the formatting isn't ugly let's gooooooo

I would've done circle emojis but there was only one blue so. capes it was

[tepid veldt]

oh my god this helps sm thanks astral and salem

[untold notch]

maybe sometime in the future there will be a Google document with links to all of these posts

[tepid veldt]

well now i have a question, if skykids are naturally a certain trait (for example competitiveness) would being souped with a colored light (cyan) amplify that trait to the extreme?

[untold notch]

I think so yes

[tepid veldt]

i was going down a deep dark and incorrect path of theory land so i needed to ask, thanks

[slate saffron]

I feel as though sky kids being naturally preordained to have a particular kind of personality/personality trait rather than just gaining it/learning it overtime is a bit funky

[untold notch]

this message is a nightmare to edit on mobile I am opening my laptop

[tepid veldt]

i was thinking that skykids could be embedded with a certain colored light that gives them their personality traits but thats saying that skykids are emotionless husks, which they arent

[untold notch]

this from the other salem may be helpful

[keen shore]

Yeah, what you’re talking about was something I considered but it brushes up too closely with ‘the skykids are robots before they learn how to do emotions’ idea for me so I dropped it quickly.

[untold notch]

my understanding was that the skykids generally had the personality traits already and the colored light just amplified it, possibly even worsening it

although, in that vein, if a skykid with an affinity to a certain colored light gets souped with a light opposite that light, what would happen?

[keen shore]

@frigid tinsel has it so that the previous affinity gets entirely erased and the soup floods it out, I believe

[frigid tinsel]

A sharded skykid loses their colored light affinity and, yea, presumably would also be unsouped depending on the severity.

[untold notch]

i see... i was hypothesizing something like neutralization but that would also makes sense

[frigid tinsel]

Also if a skykid is souped with colored light that isn’t their affinity, they just become soup with an affinity. I haven’t thought about multiple affinities, but I believe that could be possible

[keen shore]

Oh my god Hikemasu really does win at every bingo

[frigid tinsel]

Hikemasu has a natural orange light affinity. Was thinking them bejng red light souped replaced it but yknow what, nah

[keen shore]

I’m so glad they are allowed to set things on fire too 💛

[slate saffron]

Isn't that how real life children work? Babies don't really have innate personalities to my understanding, & instead gain/develop them overtime, with most of their time being spent learning how to express their emotions & learning about the world around them & whatnot. I feel as those if skykids had innate personality traits that woud brush them more closely to being robots than anything else (which i agree would probably be weird), as only robots (I'm my opinion) could have innate personalities from the get-go.

[frigid tinsel]

Strega, this is a whole can of worms I don’t think even lorechat is capable of handling

[untold notch]

ill go grab the abnormal grip image

[slate saffron]

Ö

Can of worms as in the topic is too serious or Can of worms as in my opinion is slightly funky

[untold notch]

can of worms in that there is just a whole lot goin on in that message, i think

[slate saffron]

👍

[frigid tinsel]

I don’t mean that to shut you down but that’s just a lot and it’s close to midnight

[slate saffron]

That's completely understandable, don't worry 👁️ 👄 👁️ 👍

[pastel brook]

the mysterious and all-powerful Skybot sees all! ...also, i'm stuck in the mods' basement again, can you let me out?

[rigid iron]

Perish

[pastel brook]

Inconceivable!

[outer hare]

bobbitesth

[pastel brook]

hey @hushed steeple can you take me to geyser real quick

[outer hare]

tsk tsk dont ping people skybot

[stable bronze]

I have a question that may or may not have been answered already: why do skykids’ eyes appear closed

[sharp lichen]

Nobody really knows, but my theory is that the mask has the eyes that allow them to see, and the no-mask option just makes the mask invisible, instead of removing the mask.

[opaque lotus]

just popping into lorechat to share a blessed theory/observation:
sky kids are mimics! they mimic the voices of their ancestors to speak to each other, they mimic the outfits their ancestors wore, they mimic their expressions, sky kids are mimics!!

then again this is actually very sad- sky kids must be so desperate to connect with the culture they've lost that they mimic their ancestors' mannerisms, clothing, and voices just to feel connected :(

i really am just the occasional lorechatter who drops the saddest honkin theories and then dips for a month 💀

[rapid wyvern]

So sad but yeah that's true

[opaque lotus]

i doubt anything will be able to top my hide'n'seek theory though

[rapid wyvern]

I have a theory!

Has anyone thought about why we see so many diffrent types of weapons throughout sky? Even in places were there are no dark creatures (valley) we see that yeti has battle axes. So who was he fighting? It had to be sky people because valley has no dark creatures.

[tepid veldt]

may i hear about your hide’n’seek theory sun kid

[eternal totem]

Cutting trees for wood fire, to maintain their hut. Where did that even come from

[rapid wyvern]

And in golden wasteland if the fortress doesn't make sense. Krills can fly, and we see them fly over the walls in the cut scene at the last room. So if it was meant to keep out an invasion from other sky people from a different realm??

[rapid wyvern]

Yeah, except there's no trees anywhere in Valley.

[round parrot]

Perhaps the axes were used for hunting?
(then again, there really are no signs of life other than mantas and birds)

[rapid wyvern]

True, they could be for hunting. But it's an odd weapon to use for that. Which brings in another theory.

Do sky kids eat? Do they eat light creatures? We see a see a spirit in forest called a "Hunter" and she carries a bow and arrow.

[round parrot]

Then again, I remember Ash saying along the lines of that Yeti wasn't a species, Yeti had a fursuit (to possibly protect themselves from the cold)

[untold notch]

spirits and skykids are different

[rapid wyvern]

I don't think he would attack anyone! I think they're for self defense. Don't you think it's odd how he's all alone on the top of the mountain by him self when there's a whole city just below. Was he driven out?

[round parrot]

I don't think the way Skykids would eat similarly to ancestors. In fact, I think they just absorb the food and go on about their day

[eternal totem]

I personally don't think so, she probably follows a certain lifestyle & wants to be left alone

[rapid wyvern]

Oh okay

[eternal totem]

Self defense is plausible but then I can't imagine anyone looking at her & thinking, yes I can fight that, I definitely would not be squashed

[hushed steeple]

b r u h

[earnest briar]

Raya, Dark, the Spirits don't have gender. So please don't refer to Yeti as a he or a she.

[rapid wyvern]

So if the axes and bow and arrow we see are for hunting, what sky animal are they hunting?

[earnest briar]

Even though they have cosmetics that make them appear a certain gender, that doesn't mean they are that gender.

[rapid wyvern]

I disagree, I think they do based on clear body shapes and sizes and hair styles.

[earnest briar]

The devs literally confirmed that the Spirits have no gender. ALL the Spirits. We're talking about word of God here.

[round parrot]

oh boy, here we go again with the gender argument

[rapid wyvern]

That's just politics

[untold notch]

skykids and spirits being agender is canon it is dev confirmed why does this keep happening

[rapid wyvern]

And I'm not going to argue with you about that, it's my opinion. No need to fight

[round parrot]

We have had this argument in the past

I am getting intense Deja vu

[rapid wyvern]

Calm down bro

[earnest briar]

Raya it is literally canon that none of the Spirits have gender. Calling it politics and then hiding behind 'its my opinion' is really disrespectful to us, and to the devs. If it makes you upset that the Spirits have no gender, you don't have to complain about it being politics. It makes you come off as whiny.

[round parrot]

Lore is up to interpretation ≠ Spirit/Ancestor gender is up to interpretation

[rapid wyvern]

I'm not hiding behind anything, I'm just calling it what it is. You can't just order someone to not have a view or opinion. You come off as pushy and kinda hostel for starting a argument over nothing.

I mean no disrespect to anyone

I was minding my own business and having a nice conversation

[earnest briar]

You're the one who started this by refusing to accept that it is stated in Word of God that the Spirits canonically have no gender regardless of their body shape or clothing or cosmetics. If you won't accept that because you need to gender everything you see, then too bad because it's set in stone and you can't change that just because you want it to.

[rapid wyvern]

Bruh I started nothing! I never said "let's talk about how sky kids have gender" that was you! And I don't need to gender everything I see! That's really rude to say that. I just took it how I saw it. You can't seem to understand that you're the one that started the argument and are being very hostel and accusatory. You need to stop.

[earnest briar]

Okay, I definitely took it too far there. Sorry.

[rapid wyvern]

This is a friendly chat for lore, not arguments and hostility.

[eternal totem]

I was messing with them, I already knew that

[rapid wyvern]

Every one is entitled to their own opinions and view of the game

[earnest briar]

Still, it's important to keep in mind that if the devs say something is canon, we should respect that and not ignore it just because it doesn't fit with our views.

[untold notch]

because, you know, they're the creators of the game

[eternal totem]

I know

[rapid wyvern]

again seriously

We know

[eternal totem]

Don't clump us together, I don't entirely agree with you

[rapid wyvern]

But seriously if sky kids have no gender at all then how does the population grow? How are there adults and kids? Sky kids are born from the sky but what about spirits who weren't?

[earnest briar]

Gender and sex are different things.

[eternal totem]

They too are born from the sky

[round parrot]

Skykids don't reproduce from my understanding
Megabird is the one who makes the Skykids

[untold notch]

they better not they're kids

[earnest briar]

Gender is the social roles humans created, sex is what determines whether we hold the baby or make the baby.

[rapid wyvern]

Uhhh no they're not... You have to have two different genders to get kids.

[eternal totem]

What is going on 💀 this is unnecessary, use they/them & move on, it saves everyone the headache

[earnest briar]

Raya seems to think gender is the same as sex. They are not. Gender is the social roles humans created, sex is what determines whether we carry the baby or create the baby.

[untold notch]

I should get that light doc started

[rapid wyvern]

That is the most obvious thing. I KNOW the difference between sex and gender. You have to have a boy and a girl to get kids. that all I'm asking is how does sky keep getting kids if there's no gender at all.

[eternal totem]

From the sky

[rapid wyvern]

I mean spirits not sky kids. I know sky kids come from the sky

[round parrot]

Skykids are different from ancestor kids.

[eternal totem]

From FedEx

[rapid wyvern]

From Amazon

[round parrot]

||Wish.com||

[rapid wyvern]

😆

[untold notch]

idk they're all dead it's not like it matters anyway

[eternal totem]

Yeeeah, it's not that deep

[rapid wyvern]

Shrugs idk just wondering man

[south oracle]

Why don't we find a different topic to discuss?

[untold notch]

I don't know how to write documents

[round parrot]

Starlight Desert theories pspspspsps

[rapid wyvern]

Sure I'd be happy to if SOMEONE doesn't want to argue about that too.

[eternal totem]

Stop that

[rapid wyvern]

What starlight dessert theory?

[round parrot]

I can help you out!
But I might loose motivation like 1/8 or 1/4 on the way

[untold notch]

I should try when I'm not like . At School

[rapid wyvern]

Wakey wakey it's time fo school

[tepid veldt]

astral go pay attention

[rapid wyvern]

FYI grandma's is coming up if anyone wants to go

[hushed steeple]

hallo

[round parrot]

Ok so, the TLP spirits theory
There has been this theory going around that the 6 TLP spirits represent each Elder
Slouching Soldier being Dusk, Gloating Narcissist being Sunset, Sneezing Geographer being Night (debatable), Star Collector being Day, Stretching Lamplighter being Rain
Now, the Beckoning ruler, it is too unfitting that it would be symbolic to Dawn, but rather, The Eden King.

I assumed that – perhaps there is a symbolism of Isle Elder – the area itself. I saw it as a symbolism of Isle – from the sand, to the cloud formations and where Starlight Desert was found – which is at the first floor (usually symbolising Isle because of all the sand and the constellation that appears during the cutscene before we get to the 2nd floor).

(1/4)

Skybot plsplspls don't bonk me I promise I am good

[hushed steeple]

I HAER THEORIES

[rapid wyvern]

Interesting

But why?

[sharp lichen]

Not exactly, there are some places where they don’t mimic at all.

[round parrot]

Now, time for another common theory
The purple light (which is usually associated with the mid/illusions) going out of control and heavily altering Vault in the process (which means that the Vault we see in the game isn't actually the real Vault, which is proven by the after-Elder cutscene before we journey to Eden, or go to a portal of homespace)

I'll just point out one think before we proceed with my thoughts. Vault's tint or color is dark blue/ navy blue (whatever you wanna call it).

So, here's my thought; if Vault is dark navy/ dark blue (for the majority of it), then why is Starlight Desert purple? (I think) It was the purple light’s influence.

(2/4)
Skybot pls no bonk

[rapid wyvern]

Lmao how else was I supposed to try and tell them I understand 😂

[rigid mural]

I'm not really siding with you, just wondering why you're bringing that up.

"How are ancestor babies made, btw I think there's only boy and girl 🙄" is such an obvious bait.

[grim python]

this is fr why I always said I was scared of this chat why are you guys talking about skykids reproducing 💀💀

[untold notch]

this isn't a common occurrence I swear

[lyric isle]

yeah dw this is never something that usually comes up. I never think about it and never have

not what I expected to come into here to though

[rapid wyvern]

Just because they started a gender argument out of nowhere, it was just a thought I had. And it wasn't bait! And I don't think there's only boys and girls. I never said that!

[rigid mural]

If I had a dime everytime someone tried to bring in reproduction in lorechat I would have two dimes, which isn't a lot but still wierd.

We play glowing winged toddlers, I think the idea of a genderless world where reproduction isn't important shouldn't be that hard to fathom.

[rapid wyvern]

Look can we move on?

[round parrot]

Another common theory/ assumption (I'll keep it short and brief)
We know Eden is a mountain, correct? Well, this common theory tells us that Vault was built and/or located at the side of Eden's mountain

Considering this, it would later also tell us that the path to Starlight Desert is very inaccurate (not that it was accurate in the first place) The purple light would've be able to alter space too.
(I bring this manifestation theory to have a solid base to my thought)
So, I thought. If the area of Starlight Desert was manifested (in, presumably another area that was influenced by the purple light, not in Vault itself, ofc), how did the spirits come to be?
Based from how the manifestation came to be (specifically the spirits), it would go two ways:

1. Perhaps the symbolic spirits were manifested during the time Starlight Desert (as a whole) manifested.
2. Spirits/ancestors would study the area, but due to the purple light’s influence, it altered the spirits/ancestors too, making them become what they became to be in certain areas.
   (3/4)

[rigid mural]

You're posting your opinion on a public server, don't be surprised when people raise an eyebrow when it's not a good one.

[lyric isle]

I have a very specific headcanon for Season of Little Prince I’d usually love to share and compare and contrast, but now won’t be the time I share it

[round parrot]

So sorry for the text walls lorechat, I just really like where I am getting here with these Starlight Desert thoughts

[lyric isle]

it’s ok! we can talk about this once dust has settled

[rigid mural]

Yeah sorry Myst ! It's just that some stuff irritates me.

Please don't use the headpat emote to react to my messages, it feels patronizing.

[rapid wyvern]

For the record I wasn't trying to start anything, I didn't know that saying she or he would cause so much anger. 😭

[untold notch]

while there's people here I'm making a doc about light stuff and theories but I don't know what to put in it so if y'all have anything you would want to see included please do toss a ping my way

[lyric isle]

will DM about this later if that’s ok, would love to

[spring python]

Dw in about 3 hours I will ping you and demand you share it /j

[rapid wyvern]

😭

[untold notch]

my dms may be off so just ping me here if that doesn't work

[tepid veldt]

light stuff and theories? like, colored light or things like soup? (i forgot the technical term mb)

[earnest briar]

The problem is that you ignored us saying multiple times that Spirits have no gender and then started throwing a fit when people told you to stop, and hide behind 'it's just my opinion uwu' like that makes you immune to consequences. You started this. You do not get any pity or sympathy just because you put crying emojis and go 'Oh I didn't know' even though we told you several times.

[rapid wyvern]

What? How did I start this? I didn't ignore you, I said I know about what TGC said

[round parrot]

Oh
Oh wait
Did I mention in my last 3 posts that Starlight Desert manifested because of Isle Elder???

If not then I'll make it clear that I believe that Isle would've had a huge contribution to the manifestation of the area, from the sand, and the cloud formations. (and the fact Starlight Desert is found at the first floor of Vault, which is also usually tied to Dawn)

(3½ / 4)

[rigid mural]

Litteral TGC devs: "Spirits have no gender."
"Just disagreeing" folks: "I pretend I do not see."

[spring python]

I’m cis and I can still grasp that concept like 😭

[earnest briar]

'That's just politics' is a very bigoted take tbh. And then hiding behind 'It's my opinion uwu' when you get backlash for it is scummy.

Give up Raya, you are very clearly in the wrong here.

[round parrot]

2nd part to 3½ (short and brief)
I would like to think that Dawn was the one who envisioned the Elders, locked by their own chains, chained up by their abnormal use of darkstone (also the color of the chains are blue which usually correlates to darkstone and/or ancestors )

[austere bridge]

only time I’m glad someone got beaned

[violet sundial]

Popping in to say hi

This happening

💀

People can have “feminine” body shapes and be male and vice versa irl so.

[lyric isle]

hiii I love your take on Starlight Desert so much (dw, not ignoring the current conversation, more so not wanting to ignore your ideas instead)

[broken notch]

Hello lore chat

I see the current situation and I shall continue to lurk

[rigid mural]

I very much would rather talk about Myst's theory, it's really interesting because it's the first time I see Isle Elder associated with that season this way !

[lyric isle]

YEAH IT’S REALLY COOL

[earnest briar]

Myst your theory is so good, I love it.

[violet sundial]

I don’t really have anything to talk abt lore wise rn so i’n gonna. Disintegrate again byebye

[austere bridge]

yea! if isle elder is responsible in some way for starlight desert, then it makes sense why they could be seen as represented by beckoning ruler! (they could be beckoning them to quit the use of darkstone )

[spring python]

I also like to think that though the entrance to starlight is in vault that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s a vault domain so idk how to explain that LMAO

[rigid mural]

I really like associations between Isle and Vault, both realms are really small and meant as passageways to another, bigger realm. They're liminal and I love it ! Both their elders also didn't get Prophecy lights.

[untold notch]

and them being perceived as arrogant or whatever is like how in uh I hate to make this correlation but political cartoons insulting the other party or somesuch

[spring python]

(Prophecy lights? /gen)

[round parrot]

Bonus part: Since the TLP spirits represent each elder (except Isle), it came to me that the realization of Narcissist threw me off

Ok so, just need to point out that there is a current ongoing headcanon about the Valley Elders used to be one but got sandwich'd

This led me to believe that Narcissist symbolizes either of two things:

1. Dawn sees them as the same person/elder/ancestor
2. Valley used to be one but got sandwich'd somewhere within Sky's history

[untold notch]

this'll be something to put in the doc then I reckon

[earnest briar]

Personally I'm of the belief that the LP Spirits are mascots of cautionary tales made by the Vault to promote mental health that were brought to life by Purple Light. But Myst your theory is also really cool!

[spring python]

Me being a self proclaimed prophecy fan despite not knowing it’s lore at all LMAO

[rapid wyvern]

What does grandma's food taste like?

[lyric isle]

personal comfort thing and I hope it isn’t forceful, but can we not call Gloat that name around me? thank you

[round parrot]

OOOO I SEE WHERE YOU ARE COMING FROM!!

[austere bridge]

from what I have absorbed via lurking, prophecy lights are the elemental lights each represented by each of the trials.
(blue for water/patience, green for earth/tenacity, cyan for air/balance, and orange for fire/courage)

[rigid mural]

Wisdom of Fire, Earth and so on. All the Prophecy trials are associated with a particular color, which matches with the Elements from Enchantment ! Water is blue, earth is green/yellow, air is cyan and fire is orange.

[lyric isle]

I see the Little Prince spirits as kind of artificial intelligence and projections made of purple light and memories given form, if that makes any sense

highly specific but still

[rapid wyvern]

Can anyone explain the story shown on the walls of the cave?

[eternal totem]

Yeah a common consensus is that it's way outside Vault, Wasteland outskirts, just influenced by the Vault

[untold notch]

we can try! there isn't a lot of concrete lore in this game

[round parrot]

Last Starlight Desert thought:
I thought of something about the area where the Prince was last seen (and where the krill was seen)
I thought that was what Isle Elder thought they symbolize - nothing, only a fossil of what they once were
Now I know what you will ask: "But what about the krill? What does it have to do with Isle?"
Good question. Here's the funny thing (that I think):
This krill symbolism is different from the rest, I based the krill on the snake, (which is found in The Little Prince book), and searching up the symbolism of the snake it gives you this:
"In a story about mysteries, the snake is the only absolute. His poisonous bite and biblical allusion indicate that he represents the unavoidable phenomenon of death."

If I am not mistaken, the Prince (in the books) wanted the snake to bite him, in order to send him home.

Now. Back to the krill
Since the krill is connected to the snake - I believe that the krill symbolizes Isle's guilt and/or loneliness (and perhaps wishing to go back "home" which is presumably orbit)
Now, while I don't think Isle Elder is dead, but instead, inside of his own pocket dimension. With only the view of the Eden Mountain and a flock of birds for company.

(4/4)
OH THE TEXTWALL JUMPSCARE

[austere bridge]

from what I’ve seen, a lot of the concrete lore is The Word of the Devs

[spring python]

Personally I like the similarities between Isle and Vault as “characters” in the sense that they feel like the closing of a character. Isle elder is like a gentle beginning to a journey and Vault like it’s gentle end (my god I can’t explain anything LMAO)

[untold notch]

it's alright about the text walls
and isle being the snake could also tie into their psychopomp imagery

[rapid wyvern]

I was wondering why the krill didn't eat the prince when it saw him

[eternal totem]

Because he's French

[austere bridge]

gosh darn it

[spring python]

I have my criticisms of the way sky’s story is told but I like that the elders are sort of a marking point, and Ig that Isle and Vault are like, the “lows” of it in the sense of both being calm before the storm kind of elders

[rigid mural]

YEAH VAULT ALWAYS FELT LIKE THE CONCLUSION TO A JOURNEY
Like organizing papers after writing for a while, looking over what you just made before submitting it.

[round parrot]

Prince doesn't have winged light

He's not like other Skykids 💅 (not that he is one)

[untold notch]

it could be that he's not made of light like everyone else is

[eternal totem]

No it's because he's French

[rapid wyvern]

Smart

[tepid veldt]

beware the french

[eternal totem]

Thanks, I wish I could say the same about certain topics

[spring python]

YEAH YEAH and also it’s kinda bittersweet how they sort of look sad? But kind of gentle? It’s like “hey it’s time to say goodbye”

[round parrot]

I wish Sky had like, extra cutscenes when we get rebirthed
I just wanna see my Skykid run up to all the elders and give them a big hug

[rigid mural]

Instead of using it, they store your light in a diamond to twinkle among the numerous fake stars

[austere bridge]

maybe they are just there to sort of say “you did wonderfully, child. good luck with the end of your beautiful journey.”

[rapid wyvern]

But that means we can't go up to eden's heaven space

[tepid veldt]

youve given me an idea

[spring python]

Vault elder is so precious, when I’m done with exams I wanna try drawing them

[round parrot]

"- may you shine amongst the stars above as from below, we watch you twinkle.. along with many others"

[untold notch]

they are so tiny

[lyric isle]

I think if you could play around with spirits in Orbit I’d go to Eden a lot more often

[austere bridge]

this is making me cry but it is not the first time I have cried from my own ideas

[rigid mural]

I feel like the elders bowing at you kind of implies they know of your ultimate demise. They may feel guilty about it and grateful to you.

[lyric isle]

painting with stardust with Nod. I would be in tears in a happy way

(they’re my favourite spirit of all)

[rapid wyvern]

Yes! They should make that a thing! We need to see the spirits happy together in heaven space

[spring python]

I know it’s a noble thing to do but god did my ego shoot up when the elders kneeled 💀

Case in point my sky kid is pure of heart, I’m not

[rapid wyvern]

Haha same, it felt good to have recognition of all you did for the world

[eternal totem]

I went through Vault purple light hallucinations & all I get is a round of kneels & a t-shirt

[spring python]

“Guess I’ll die”

[rigid mural]

I very much still want to run up to them and hug them all.

[round parrot]

Famous Child of Light last words:

[rapid wyvern]

I mean dang edens death is SO BRUTAL

[spring python]

Hey wait when did you get a T-shirt I didn’t get that?

[rapid wyvern]

Hey wait, you guys got T-shirts?

[round parrot]

skill issue

[austere bridge]

there’s some p comfy looking pants from some of the vault spirits, but idk about t-shirts

[rapid wyvern]

Lol the same comment at the same time😂

[round parrot]

The T-shirts are cool man

I got one saying "No Yeti?" with the megamind face but it is yeti

[spring python]

It’s funny cause I forget the world of sky is teeny tiny and that if I hugged any of the elders it’d be just hugging a regular sized human and not a titan

[rapid wyvern]

Lmao this is the best ahah

[austere bridge]

looks at skykid
me: smol 🤏

[frigid tinsel]

This is why moments like these make me soft

[eternal totem]

Squishable

[spring python]

DUSK DUSK DUSK DUSK DUSK THEY FNDBCIDBFJDBDRHFB

[white junco]

dusk

[austere bridge]

the blorbo ‼️ ‼️

[round parrot]

At this point, calling the Elders huggable is an understatement.

[eternal totem]

Dusk enjoyers summoned immediately

[rapid wyvern]

I really wanna hug Wasteland elder. They seemed so hurt and afraid in his cut scene

[rigid mural]

Tbf only Valley and Vault elders are around the size of regular ancestors according to most size comparisons, the rest still are really tall.

Imagining Day elder holding ancestors...

[spring python]

I love Wanderley

[tepid veldt]

friend shaped

[austere bridge]

they are all friend shaped

[spring python]

Valley don’t count they def piggyback each other to get taller

[frigid tinsel]

Isn’t Sunset 7ft tall?

[rapid wyvern]

Who is dusk and sunset?

[eternal totem]

When they're in a trench coat

[round parrot]

Day gets a specific title
If you know that one concept art, you know what I mean

[spring python]

14 if they cooperate

[austere bridge]

sunset would definitely do the thing where they look at night and go “heh. short.”

[untold notch]

dusk
sunset

[rapid wyvern]

Ohh

[frigid tinsel]

Though it seems the devs refer to the Elders by the times of day their realms represent:
Isle – Dawn
Prairie – Day
Forest – Rain 
Valley – Sunset 
Wasteland – Dusk 
Vault – Night
Eden — Storm

[eternal totem]

Your dad and mom

[tepid veldt]

are we thinking of the same thing, i dont think we are

[white junco]

teth's friend :)

[spring python]

Also I know u probably had these lying around but I think it’s funny to pretend you died just to prove the elders are huggable

[austere bridge]

day definitely comforts rain when the depresso is hitting extra hard

[round parrot]

🧡

[tepid veldt]

yes we are thinking of the same thing

[round parrot]

Great minds think alike 🤝

[rapid wyvern]

Lol Day is a amung us

[austere bridge]

round! /positive
brings me back to that thing where concept art megabird was just a circle b/c smooth is associated w/ light and there’s a lot of light in prairie

[spring python]

HELP I thought the manta was an umbrella 💀

[rigid mural]

I couldn't find the doodle I did of Day showing butterflies to Butterfly Charmer so here

[tepid veldt]

FRIEND

[lyric isle]

took a while to find the picture

The only constellation I’ve completed (and very recently) is Dawn’s - it made me so happy to see a friend in Orbit

have been slowly getting more attached to the Elders; Dawn and Night are my favourites

[rapid wyvern]

Proud grandpa

[frigid tinsel]

Here

[austere bridge]

day is such an adorable bean

[lyric isle]

AWWWW

[rapid wyvern]

Do you think this monster is what attacked wasteland? Or just the small ones?

[rigid mural]

Alasdair what would I ever do without you

[frigid tinsel]

See also

[austere bridge]

it’s a mega krill, also known as the leviathan or mama krill
(name changes depending on who you ask)

[lyric isle]

my favourite Day concept art is the one that depicts them as incredibly round

[tepid veldt]

that is beautiful

[rapid wyvern]

I like leviathan

[austere bridge]

I would like to mention this again now that we are once again seeing round Day

[lyric isle]

WAIT TRUE

[rapid wyvern]

What's true?

[austere bridge]

in concept art, smooth and soft things tend to be associated with light while sharp and jagged things tend to be associated with darkness.
that concept art of Day is incredibly round and smooth.
there’s lots of light in prairie.

[frigid tinsel]

Zhao’s concepts for reference

[rapid wyvern]

Oh! Oh! I have a theory!

So you know how TGC said that Day had an apprentice? (The flight guide) what if the other elders had them too?

[keen shore]

yeah, shape language in Sky is a really big deal! As well as color language, which is also visible in the concepts Alasdair posted. There’s a reason why the elders become simple, distinguishable shapes on all the murals they’re in,

[rapid wyvern]

Why is Dusk shown on the danger side?

[round parrot]

I am gonna go sneep now, I might reread all 500+ unread messages at 9 in the morning tomorrow (depends on my mood)

[rapid wyvern]

Oh my gosh guys look! The sky prince!

[eternal totem]

Why do you sound like I'm watching a TikTok

Like & comment for a part 2

[white junco]

during this stage of development the ancestors were more darkness-aligned, i doubt it had anything to do with dusk specifically

[raw crypt]

triangle :]

[rapid wyvern]

Doritos

[rapid wyvern]

Wait! So beta elders were ... Evil? The drama

[eternal totem]

Not me being evil shadow skull

[round parrot]

If I remember correctly, Dusk was corrupted in the concept arts, not sure how that would be linked to the game lore

[white junco]

not evil! these concepts are very heavy on light as weightless and moving, and darkness as sturdy & solid. so the ancestors were just more solid. i think they leaned neutral

also yea dusk was corrupted in some concepts but here specifically i think they're just being used as an example for color & shape language

[rapid wyvern]

Ah okay

[spring python]

The second one is so cute I want it as a pet

[rapid wyvern]

I want a pet manta we can fly around on and control 🧡

Then players could have manta races and the reward could be a heart

It was amazing to ride on the krill this Halloween

[autumn zinc]

Day and Dusk??????

[eternal totem]

Prairie & Wasteland

[autumn zinc]

w h o?

[eternal totem]

The Elders, the guys, people in charge of their realms, gang, bros, homies, etc

[autumn zinc]

Ah yeah thanks.

[spring python]

The group leaders

[tepid veldt]

the alpha males /j

[spring python]

NOOOO

[opaque lotus]

my hide'n'seek theory is this: in the spirit's memory, we see the kid playing hide n seek with an older spirit. because my theory is that the spirits are mostly located where they are when they died, so the headcanon is that the kiddo was playing hide'n'seek with an adult who was playing with them to distract them from the imminent end

[white junco]

killing you /lh

[boreal nebula]

Well, any kind of kid, like in real life, learn by immitation, but I don't see it as a sad part. To me it's rather funny and cute

Some things, like the emotes, are different (in my own POV) because as kids IRL they don't always get right away what they imitate and how to perfectly repeating that.

For example now it seems any Ancestor's call is a slightly different (or at learn some sounded slightly altered over the updates to me) or before the arrive of the Lightseeker in Dailies (from this Days of Blooms) I had no theory of why the Teamwork Spirit cutscene seemed different from this pose/emote. Skykids only raise their candles while the ancestors seems to make more along the Butterfly Caretaker emote.

But the crucial thing DoBlooms sparks me a parallel was that any of Lightseekers seems to perform (besides random goofy emotes) a ceremony, to collect light/living light (as maybe they did in some concept arts). This ceremony recalls me of the Spirit which is called Something Something Ceremony and they seems to teach others this kind of ritual (so a little theory of mine and maybe of/from someone else is that could be a little school for new Lightseekers).

Back on track, if sky kids are so goofy toddlers who misunderstand some of Ancestor's actions! When we discussed the above Team-Ceremony I also joked about "If they copy/mimics so badly this emote, imagine hitting the floor 💫 while deepbowing ... at this point an Ancestors could be so thoughtful to soothe the wound 🩹 and the skykid would probably (again) misunderstand that as a free cosmetics ! : 🆓 🤕

[fickle wing]

i want to eat this picture

[boreal nebula]

🆓

Then maybe the skykids would go away and tell other skykids, who would bonk their heads hard and that poor Spirit would be forced to rescue all the clueless skykids mimicing the same mistake to get their own bandage cosmetics

Another example of clueless sky kids is that we already have a CLEAR example of them misunderstanding what they do wrong in a Abyss Quest, if only they keep collecting Resources (Prisms / Power Diamonds) they probably would even break some game mechanisms like platforms or skiilift gondolas or even the Wastaland Temple gates!

I made a *draft about this somewhere

* draft cause it's a bad drawing, but it actually took alot of time for me to draw 😅

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[boreal nebula]

One my of first thought was that they prolly died near their memories (as many spirits suggests) but I think it's just a case of being a very vivid event which holds alot of meaning to them instaad.

That being said it could also be that at least some could have died near their spots but not all of them, so it could be a mix of the 2 theories

[lusty merlin]

First thing I see when I open lore chat

And tebkanlo I can definitely see this happening

[boreal nebula]

@round parrot they don't eat, they splat grandma's buns on the face and swallow in one bite burning marshmallows, unaware of the fire-eaters

[marsh raptor]

Am I allowed to send like a big paragraph of a theory for a game here? Bc I have one

[frigid tinsel]

As long as it is Sky related

[keen shore]

Dusk Shield Nap Pile My Beloved

[rocky grove]

I giggled and don't regret scrolling up that is adorable

hey lore chat just checking in

[primal rapids]

Uhp all my theories I had got debunked when we got the map lol. I was just trying to figure out the shape of the realms... Was it a circle around home? A circle around the windpaths? A straight line? A spiral upward from home to Eden, with the windpaths in the center??

All I got is that windpaths did end up being sorta center lol.

[fickle atlas]

Could someone tell me all in sky creatures names please

[lusty merlin]

Most you probably heard of what you’ve already seen.

Crabs: those grey and charge at you

Red crabs?: those crabs with red shards during shard events

Whales: think of those big creatures you see in forest caves, heading to wasteland from valley, and ascending to orbit

Birds

Elder bird is this unit: (seen in Rhythm and light whispers info card)

Mantas

Jellyfish

King jellyfish: they’re only seen in orbit ascent but they have crowns on

Dark dragon (krill):

Cats

Turtle

Basiclly 99% of the animals you see in game are what they are irl, except for whales because they look nothing like whales

[fickle atlas]

Thank you very muxh!
But ive noticed that theres one more creature like a whale in orbit
Sometghjng like this
And it breaks some ruins with its head
It looks different than the other whale in daylight prairire that is seen far in the ocean (at least it looked dofferent to me im not sure..

[frigid tinsel]

That’s the whale

[lusty merlin]

Yeah that’s a whale, again they look nothing like whales irl I was also confused they’re called whales

[fickle atlas]

Oh okay

[lusty merlin]

To me we go up at an angle , think of stairs , we only go down when we entre wasteland but go straight up in vault to orbit. Orbit would be way up and our skykids just descend back down when we’re reborn

Maybe stairs that twist and turn but yeah

[lusty merlin]

Imma draw this because then that would make more sence to me of what I’m trying to explain

Edit:this might take longer than I thought

[grim python]

very moving theory I agree

[frigid tinsel]

goats.
TGC give us the Sky goats

[crude flame]

If we never see goats as an actual animal in the game, we should at least get a mask for them in Days of Fortune eventually, so we can get an idea of what a Sky goat might look like from that

[lusty merlin]

This is so out there and might not even make sence but what if the trails didn’t originally hold the elemental lights at all at first? What if the lights fell from the sky all over the kingdom and the trails were used to see who was worthy of wilding them! And whoever completes it is worthy of said light, I thought of this because the fire magic here landed In forest, maybe when the lights first fell they warped their surroundings. Maybe the reason forest trees don’t have leaves is because they’re still recovering from the fire magic burning them, even probably after thousands or more years. (I feel fire magics affects would be more unforgiving, same for other elements)

And the chosen one (whoever that could be) might have come across the prophecy caves and saw them. Told the other elders about it as they try to do figure out what the murals mean. Maybe some of the elders Day,Rain,Sunset, and Dusk each tried the trail’s with the chosen one accompanying them, and the chosen one and the elders managed to help one another and work together to retrieve the lights. (Teamwork for the win)

And like what happens in prophecy the murals are revealed one by one. Eventually the giant one is revealed, except showing the chosen one maybe? Maybe it did but it’s not visible without doing the quest I think. But because of this the elders retrieved the lights and used them to help with the kingdom, and maybe the chosen one was made king because of it (or not like who even knows anymore). Oh and maybe the elders saw themselves sin the murals and wonder if they will be in the situations the murals show, I feel like by seeing dusks everyone gets uneasy because it implies they will have to fight at some point. And maybe the prophecy caves faded into legend overtime, maybe it was more hidden. But yeah just thought that would be cool idk if would even work

Like the lights falling would be pre elder era to me too

oo addon but what if by seeing dusks mural seeming to prapare for battle made elders nervous and began to prapare for a battle their not even sure when would take place

like what if power diamond production was so abundant was because they use them to build weapons and machinery to protect themselves, while in the process over harvesting mantas for their light and crashing light creature population

Some nice irony to the war (I like to think aginst darkness and krill) may have started because of their pollution and farming of light, like it could’ve been slowed and maybe avoided if they regulated diamond production it who knows (I’m not completely sure but with climate change it’s not that far fetched to think somthing similar happened in sky, just realizing before it’s to late)

Like a slow death but you don’t realize your dying and push away the signs because it wouldn’t happen that quick, right? (It does)

Didn’t help that the elders seeing THEMSELVES in the murals made them realize the predictions were accurate, if they were up until then why shouldn’t they believe it would still continue down that path?

Tl;dr: don’t go caving with your family and friends, or you might get magic powers while also discovering your entire home might be at risk of war and over prepare while you over preparing IS the cause for the war and the fall of the kingdom

[trim mural]

Hey is it okay if I dm’ed you something if you don’t mind

[tepid veldt]

quick question bout lightblurs: can a skid have multiple lightblurs at once? (for example, getting saladed, but then getting souped. the affects of the first one stay after getting souped)

[frigid tinsel]

sure, go ahead.

[trim mural]

thanks, your dms are though but i sent a friend req, you can remove it later ^^

[frigid tinsel]

yea, though it depends. let me offer my OCs Hikemasu/Kiset/Maslon as an example.

Hikemasu has a natural orange light affinity. as an experiment, Kiset puts a lot of red light inside Hikemasu's body, turning them into red light soup. subsequently triggers a red light affinity with Hikey that doesn't cancel out their orange light affinity.

Hikemasu kills Kiset and absorbs Kiset's light into their body. while their light influences each other, their souls remain separate, so they're a skykid salad. however Hikemasu still has a lot of red light inside their body, in fact continues to collect more in order to prevent their and Kiset's souls from fusing (since red light is associated with darkness and darkness is associated with isolation). so Hikemasu is not only red light soup but also skykid salad with Kiset.

eventually Hikemasu & Kiset's lights fully fuse, creating Maslon. however Maslon exists within Hikemasu's body so they have all of Hikey's red light, so Maslon is both skykid soup and red light soup.

later when Maslon's soul is split, Hikemasu & Kiset become separate again. however they share Maslon's memories between them, making them a sandwich. Kiset, due to the experience of their soul being within Hikemasu's body along with all their red light, gains a red light affinity from the exposure. Hikemasu is still red light souped although they empty themself eventually after the experience.

[lusty merlin]

Oo i like this! I’m still trying to grasp the concept of soups, salads, sandwich’s ect but I find this super cool

[frigid tinsel]

oh and I forgot, Maslon, in attempt to bond with Kiset & Hikemasu's sibling, Tomatoá, spends a lot of time with mantas. the exposure to manta light, as well as Tomatoá manta soup (sharded w/ manta memories), turns them into a manta shishkebab. Kiset & Hikemasu maintain that as well when they split

tl;dr – Hikemasu is microwaved

[tepid veldt]

ok i think i got it, thanks alasdair
runs to type up summary of oc

[marsh raptor]

I probably sent this before but

Here’s my theory on like abyss and shattering and Eden because for me they’re somewhat connected
(I put a spoiler bc yk it’s spoilers for new players)

||So In one of the Season of Abyss quests we accidentally unlock like the gate where the krill’s are kept in, also the king krill

And the king krill gets released and had like beef with the elders or something, because the way to get to Eden is through vault n stuff, and Eden is basically like home of the elders n stuff

So we see this white krill that looks like the king krill kinda, the one that like bursts through a wall, and it could’ve been the king krill aswell, but something happened at the elders banished that krill under treasure reef

So once that krill got released it went straight to Eden, through the starlight desert probably, it could’ve possibly went through the wind paths, from that wind path quests where we had to clear the darkness

Once it went to Eden that krill and the other smaller krill’s decided to just destroy Eden, making shards fall onto different lands of the world because the king krill wanted revenge so they decided to make damage that would take seasons to repair which is why the shard event is still here ||

[tepid veldt]

i come with another oc who is totally mentally sane

this is picamu; a saladed skykid with their enemy. (might not actually be enemy. could be really bad friend, but this skid caused a lot of harm for picamu.) often appears to be disagreeing with themselves, talking with themselves, and sometimes (actually no more than sometimes) hurting themselves. picamu has several scars and bruises from punching themselves, trying to hurt the bad skid but is physically unable to do so.

contemplating of souping them with either red or blue light

[lusty merlin]

There was a white krill? Sorry Im trying to think of what krill your talking about, unless your talking about the on in orbit when they break the building to let us ascend, because that’s a whale, not a white krill (they look nothing like whales but they’re called whales for some reason)

[stable bronze]

I dont think anyone sees the dragon looking head on them so that’s why they are considered whales maybe?

[lusty merlin]

From far away maybe but I think they atleast notice the heads overtime, then again krills are called “dark dragons” so it could just be certain creatures mean different things in the sky world

[boreal nebula]

I just quickly relived Playfight (Erbalist ?) in Forgotten Ark to achieve a daily and I wondered:

Since we see no other mushroom like those even outside wasteland, could it be that that spirit cutscene is a clue of the origins of darkplants? An edible mushroom fell in a pool of dark water, becoming The First Infected Dark Plant, thus infecting all its similar through spores (or in s stretch, the long roots of shrooms). It's a wild theory, I know, but it shows that A) despite dark water existed and B) there were just mushrooms there but now, around those same spots, we darkplants

This makes me wish to have more memories about dark plants origins or at least see how ancestor reacted/treated such infestation, and how they possibly weed them out. So far we only have darkplants blocking a memory fragment or a quest item fragment

[hoary ingot]

Hey, Lore! I have a small theory I’d like to share. This also might come as a bit of a spoiler if you have not completed the newest spirit memory for this season, so I’ll hide this.

||Given the season’s newest spirit memory, I think it’s safe to say that the ancestors had some sort of festivity for manta racing, which might be what the citadel would be used for.

Once you enter Village of Dreams, you see a lot of banners laced everywhere. You see the same thing during the spirit memory. I believe that the ancestors were getting ready or participating in some sort of event at the time of “the end,” which would explain all the left over decorations. ||

[fallen root]

📺 Maybe it was a normal mushroom/bloom seed at first but since dark water is on F.A then mayybe it evolved into the darkplant we know today

📺 Plus the darkplant-staircase in graveyard looked like blooms to me and some of my friends

[lusty merlin]

Really went out with a bang then

[spring python]

If the world ended before the World Cup could end and Brazil could win I think I’d also forever haunt the word below

Maybe the spirits are still around because everyone is salty they didn’t get to have the event

I’m joking btw idk what the rules of spirit presence are in sky and I doubt they’re the same as in spiritism because I think at no point they hint at coexisting realms

[hoary ingot]

HAHA!

I think Village of Dreams might be my favorite place in Sky. Not only is beautiful, but I think that if you want to know more about how the ancestors lived, it’s the place to be.

[keen shore]

oh this is brutal… an apocalypse in Valley as there are still tattered banners and signs for a performance planned that never made it to fruition
Like in the village theater, where the performance spirits never got to do their play correctly before everuthing went bad

[spring python]

They still needed a toddler’s help to get it correctly even after death /lh

I’m not sure if what we’re seeing during Dreams is a memory or if it’s the spirits actually living that in real time but I think it’s even more heartbreaking if the skater child died before they could perform

[keen shore]

We’re their emotional support crew member

[spring python]

Performance guide picked us up by the collar and then presented us to stagehand like “look what I found us” and then we became the assistant’s assistant

[untold notch]

did someone say macbeth on stage or something

[safe sphinx]

what's the lore for the first aurora quest? or at least what's the story? i'm having trouble figuring out why the lady just died or something... perhaps this has already been discussed here but alas i am late to the party

[fiery oracle]

They probably died of exhaustion right ?

[safe sphinx]

Ah ok

I thought she had a heart attack or something lmao

[frigid tinsel]

everyone in Sky is agender, so most use they/them pronouns to emphasize that.

[fiery oracle]

Idk for sure but since they were traveling in a desert/island it might be heat exhaustion or just fatigue

[frigid tinsel]

it’s thought that the child is Running Wayfarer and the ancestor who died was their parent or guardian. they travelled from someplace and the parent died, so child Wayfarer continues migrating to the Sky kingdom on their own

[fiery oracle]

Considering they buried the body right there, it must have been really urgent to move

[safe sphinx]

speaking of genders in sky, i didn't know everyone was agender that's cool
i originally thought there were some subtle gender hints in spirits, with ones with dresses/slightly protruding chest area, and i obviously knew about skykids being agender
that's so cool
but what about aurora/lpp? does the same apply to them? curious

[frigid tinsel]

btw y’all don’t have to ping me

[fiery oracle]

Oops sorry didn't mean to be a reply 😅

[ionic lake]

I have a theory that idk if has been said before but hear me out.

So, we are sky children of light right? But what if we aren't, and instead a more accurate way of describing us would be sky children of heat.

Think about it, it wouldn't make sense light being the main thing to sustain skykids, because otherwise in places like golden wasteland and vault we would die very quickly as it is dark/inside. It would make sense that its heat sustaining us instead as these places could still be warm.

Also, in forest the rain drains our energy. How does rain drain our light? Wouldn't it make more sense if the rain was draining our heat, from it being cold? Same with the water in golden wasteland that drains us. And the water in other parts of sky that doesnt drain our energy would be warm?

Also, our candles are literally our life source, yes they are light, but they are heat sources too! As for how we fly? Light powering our wings is a bit confusing, ik the game is made up with magic and stuff, but on a science based level, say it was heat(thermal) energy that powered our wings, and the heat energy is converted into kinetic energy which allows us to fly!

Lastly, sky kids recharge at a light source, or rather a heat source. Because think about it, if skykids lost all their heat energy from flying or cold, they would need to take in heat to replenish that energy.

This might be very far fetched, but i just thought it was interesting. Though i will admit, children of light sounds way cooler than children of heat

Edit: i apologise for the essay oml

[white junco]

tlp is a fictional little boy and aurora is a real person so they can have gender

[frigid tinsel]

appearance and body types do not equal gender. nonbinary people don’t have look androgynous.

[safe sphinx]

absolutely!

[fiery oracle]

Looking back on the chat from earlier about the banners for an event still being up, I'm starting to think the world of Sky went through a "rapture" event where everyone died at the same moment and their spirits are repeating their last moments if that makes sense.

I'm still kinda new to Sky cotl so I don't know all the lore but the fact that some parts of the world are almost intact even though everyone is a ghost or spirit really weirds me out

[white junco]

maybe whatever happened only affected living things except for right at the disaster zone

[safe sphinx]

thinking about stealthy survivor
interesting spirit
their memory we see is set in the wasteland we see today
does this mean wasteland had an apocalypse before the apocalypse? or is stealthy survivor a "survivor" not because of the krill, but because they survived the rapture?

same with the scared spirit (i forgot their name); are they running from the eden explosion?

[fiery oracle]

The season of performance didn't really show anything about the lore other than how the ancestor spirits lived, but why are they still trying to perform?

[white junco]

what about the isle stories?

[fiery oracle]

Same with Aurora, i don't get how a live concert would fit into the world of sky.

Maybe they've been dead for so long they just decided to keep on living in a way?

[white junco]

auroras a collab so i’m not thinking about it too hard, the performance spirits may have died before they got a chance to perform & helping them finish their performance is what allows them to ascend

[fiery oracle]

Ah that's right, i forgot about the ascension part of the lore that makes sense

[keen shore]

Evilly pulls out mass petrification event idea

[untold notch]

SLALOM hi im compiling a doc about Light Stuff do you have any nominations for Things To Put In It

[keen shore]

HIII do you mean like, the mechanics of light and how it works? If so I’d slide vela’s light cycles (and associated concepts) in there

[untold notch]

yeah stuff like that im also planning to put ur colored light stuff in there

[keen shore]

Do you need an explanation of what I just mentioned or do you remember it? I can elaborate if necessary,
Im thinking what else might be good, maybe how it interacts with darkstone?

[fiery oracle]

Are there any other docs that have already been compiled about the lord I could read ? I'm trying to learn more about the lore but it's a bit confusing because it feels like I'm missing a lot of info

[frigid tinsel]

Baud’s is the only one that is remotely good at introducing the lbasics of the lore

[fiery oracle]

Who is that ?😅

[frigid tinsel]

he wrote a thing: https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck

[fiery oracle]

Thank you very much

[rigid iron]

The subtle gender hints thing reminded me that gloat is like the only canon self-proclaimed man so far and that's so real of them

[untold notch]

its a vela image i can search it up if i need

[fiery oracle]

Maybe they're sexless but not completely genderless, like they can identify as masculine or feminine. But also this spirits is from a collab with the little prince so the cannon is dubious

[rigid iron]

I believe gloat is real. They are canon in my heart

[frigid tinsel]

also you can call yourself a gendered term without being that gender. ex: I’m mostly a man but I have some friends who call me “princess.”

[white junco]

if the ancestors had anything resembling gender it wouldn’t look anything like what we know. masculinity & femininity probably wouldn’t be a concept there

[white junco]

can’t believe kinnies are real in sky

[untold notch]

i have none gender but i tend to use masculine terms yeah its like that (also a lot of gender neutral terms are actually just not good to me sorry)

[white junco]

i’m probably agender tbh, like i’m a masculine person but what is a gender

[untold notch]

a miserable little pile of secrets, of course

[frigid tinsel]

Shadow the Hedgehog

[white junco]

exposed

[spring python]

I’m not very gender but it’s ok

[white junco]

i looked too closely at gender and now i’m confused

[rigid iron]

I like to imagine spirits don't even have men, gloat invented a whole new word for their identity so they can be the handsomest of something that only they are man is gloat's neogender

[spring python]

You know what I am though? I am a WASTELAND FAN LETS GO GOLDEN WASTELAND BEST NATION LETS GO

[frigid tinsel]

Spade, one of your kin

[spring python]

I mean technically most pronouns are neopronouns in sky world

If there was a sky World Cup then wasteland would win

[white junco]

i got sniped for tsadi sweep

[rigid mural]

#tsadituesday

[untold notch]

skybot confirmed to be one of dusk's many antis

[white junco]

dusk antis dni

[untold notch]

i should make a side blog for sky stuff i think but tumblr Scares Me

[spring python]

Like skybot’s opinion matters dusk would sweep them

[white junco]

oh yea i saw you made a tumblr

[untold notch]

there are a lot of buttons and i do not know what they do and it is scary

[white junco]

reblog stuff

[frigid tinsel]

there’s no Skybot on tumblr

[rigid mural]

VAI DESERTO DOURADO NUMERO UNO 🏆🥇🥇☝️☝️ CAMPEAO DE MUNDO

[quick jasper]

skyblr is friendly i swear

[untold notch]

not necessarily skyblr just tumblr in general

[soft timber]

doots my way in here Skybot in Sky is just a Manta

[white junco]

to skybot, a sky child is just a regular child

[hoary ingot]

If I wrote a Wattpad about an ancestor who became the first Sky child would y’all read it 😟

[keen shore]

Gloat invented the man category just so that they could be the only one in it and so be the best man ever

[spring python]

NÚMERO UM DO MUNDO GW LETS GO HEXA PENTA DUSK CAMPEÃO LETS GOOO

[frigid tinsel]

I’ll fight them for that title

[white junco]

can we team up

[quick jasper]

count me in for the fight

[untold notch]

y'all have fun with that now if you'll excuse me I definitely don't have popcorn to make

[keen shore]

you fools, gloat wins at every competition (or so they think so)

[white junco]

but consider: i am powerful

[quick jasper]

also consider: i have 2 genders. twice the gender power

[uncut pond]

Missed opportunity to say "I am all of me" smh /j

[frigid tinsel]

yea cos you can defeat god, need that on my team, but the man is mine

[white junco]

ofc

[white junco]

can i still say i’m undefeatable

i’m hanging on to the other side

[uncut pond]

I WONT GIVE UP TILL THE END OF ME

[white junco]

IM WHAT YOU GET WHEN THE STARS COLLIDE

[pastel brook]

Hey @spring python, I've heard you know where every single Winged Light is!

[uncut pond]

You dumb bot
Just as I was about to continue the lyrics