lore-discussion-spoilers

[austere bridge]

dude what the honk
please explain what this means please someone anyone

[pastel brook]

[keen shore]

Sorry I just love Prophecy and Enchantment so much and I rarely get the chance to talk about either so now I’m just. !! about the topic & refusing to let it change

[rigid iron]

We still have no explanation for mini-prophecy so by all means this is canon

[rigid mural]

YEAH i think they were like, a genuine classroom. Teaching about the kingdom's history. And the trials were probably special, to prove your worth and get an important role. Thinking about Bea's findings on the drums where it required YEARS to master one !

[jade river]

Did someone start praising enchantment and prophecy??

COUNT ME IN

[lyric isle]

HI THEY’RE MY FAVOURITE SEASONS

[untold notch]

fire prophet is my favorite but ive never completed their trial </3

[pastel brook]

[austere bridge]

ah

[compact shale]

I have a weird conspiracy theory that the prophets started as normal citizens who happened to get weird dreams and that they had to build that intelligent and disciplined image of a prophet through sweat and tears blood?

[jade river]

Enchantment is just the best season

Challenging quests, extremely original evolution of the area, precious music, unique cosmetics and a nice tale

Prophecy its 3 times more challenging, is a nuke of lore, cosmetics that genuinely feel ancient and an amazing Soundtrack that adds up the seriousness of the area

Overall, extremely good seasons, i prefer enchantment overall but prophecy aint lacking

[austere bridge]

I like that a lot. might write a fanfic someday

[rigid iron]

I love that the prophets are seen as these scary intimidating figures but the little tidbits we've gotten about them point to them being silly nerds

[untold notch]

silly little fellas collective

[rigid iron]

DnD? Anime? Stage plays? I know what you are minivan brigade

[frigid tinsel]

The Prophets are all furries, of course they’re gonna be a little silly

[untold notch]

. if animal masks relate to jobs why do the prophets all have such different animals

[austere bridge]

fire prophet was definitely something along the lines of a gym trainer who was secretly nerdy

[keen shore]

They represent the traits of their colored light. Ie. Earth prophet gets a spider cause spiders represent tenacity (think the itsy bitsy spider)

[compact shale]

WHERE THE FRICK IS THAT TS HINT WEBSITE

[austere bridge]

…then why the honk does a bat represent whatever cyan light represents?(I forgor)

[frigid tinsel]

https://sites.google.com/view/skyhints/home

[lyric isle]

I’ve always seen them as weird in a good way - thought of them this way since Prophecy

[compact shale]

Balance

You need it to hang upside down on the ceiling or somethign like that

[sly lake]

The prophet's masks are all predators or hunting creatures too. Even turtle, since turtles will regularly hunt and eat jellyfish.

[keen shore]

bats for balance, cause they hang upside down to sleep (like air prophets handstand)

[frigid tinsel]

Performance guide

[jade river]

The prophets overall look cool

Ancient, unique and exotic

[sly lake]

Cyan light represents air, and bat is a flying creature. 🦇

[untold notch]

this reminded me of cure.s i should see what else i can do with their characters now

[frigid tinsel]

Orange light & lions for courage

[sly lake]

It's too bad people rarely use their masks..I wish more people did honestly.

[keen shore]

Turtles for patience because of the tortoise & the hare thing — wait, I wonder if all the prophecy masks are based off fables? hold on

[austere bridge]

performance moth here
I love my silly littles so much
performance guide was just a quirky theater kid who got together with their friends to screw around on their own

[compact shale]

I have a headcanon that the prophecy cave is closed at night and if you were to go inside you would hear the prophets go hogwild (these hints are from earth prophet and fire prophet)

[untold notch]

theres more cosmetics than there were when i first made the cure.s concepts... i might see if i can catch tallem and we can brainrot about it again

[frigid tinsel]

Sky is just full of furries who think really hard about their fursonas and are all various degrees of silly & fun and I love that they’re so normalized in this world

[compact shale]

Would anyone want to read a fanfic with the concept of "Prophecy Cave After Dark" ?

[rigid iron]

No they for real go crazy, you can't tell me otherwise. They LARP warrior cats

[jade river]

Are hints actual canon facts of spirits?? /g

[austere bridge]

the fact that perf guide has a birb mask and frantic(my beloved) has a cat hood makes this an even better ship

[keen shore]

https://fablesofaesop.com/the-bat-birds-and-the-beasts.html oh my god (this lagged I meant to respond to the fables idea, this one has bats as balance)

[compact shale]

They're not entirely serious but since the prophets don't have infocards we assume they're true

[jade river]

This implies the existence of DND inside sky

Excellent

[sly lake]

I've seen some theorize that they are based off the asian cardinal direction or elemental animals, if I am remembering correctly. (I cannot remember which asian culture unfortunately, I will have to look it up.)

[untold notch]

( I affectionately call cure.s Rhythm 3 Performance 2 its my gay little fanseason)

[jade river]

The only all Furry civilization is the one which went extinct due to war and pollution

Its up to us to make them proud and be an even better furry civilization

[rigid iron]

Air prophet caught between the prophet/rhythm troupe gay furry turf war

[keen shore]

Tortoise & the hare for turtles being patience… itsy bitsy spider for spiders being tenacity… the birds & the beasts & the bats for bats being balance… I’m mad I didn’t realize this before, hold on, I bet I can find something for lions and jackals

[sly lake]

The Big Bad Wolf for Prophecy Guide. /j

[eternal totem]

The Big Rad Nerd

[rigid iron]

Prophecy represents sad wolf looking in mirror

[untold notch]

I will talk about cure.s if given the opportunity I just don't want to change the topic right now

[jade river]

Canon

[compact shale]

If it fit with a skytober prompt I would most certainly write about prophecy cave after dark (red squares represent prompts that aren't done and don't have planned stories for them)

[rigid mural]

Exotic ?

[eternal totem]

Sad wolf looking into the distance (they're the middle child)

[frigid tinsel]

Well that’s cos they were imperfect — no one is and in any society, there will be disagreements and conflicts. The same issues that wrought us irl plagued them.
(btw please don’t ping me in replies)

[jade river]

Yeah, what i mean with this is, they feel really different from other spirits due to how ancient they are

[jade river]

I didnt know, my apologies

[keen shore]

considering fire prophets memory I don’t think they have a very disciplined image I will be honest

[rigid iron]

Back in my day you had to chisel your fursona out of the rocks

[compact shale]

They're the least disciplined out of the four but they somehow still make people look up to them

[frigid tinsel]

Given that they have influences from some African cultures, calling them “exotic” is alienating and borderline racist. Please watch what words you use to describe people who are different than you.

[untold notch]

idea. teacher dad. dad energy

[jade river]

I meant exotic as outside of what we already had seen before, how is that racist? /g

Forgot to not ping sorry

[sharp shore]

r we talking about prophets
were their trials lessons on how to be prepared for danger? was there already a discussion on that

[rigid mural]

honestly the idea is really cool, you have no idea how much skill goes into carving things until you try it yourself, I'd be ectasic to see more variation in mask materials

[sly lake]

I don't know if it is intentional, but there are swirls on all of the masks similar to some Neolithic carvings.

[compact shale]

If you were to stick your ear to the wall of the prophecy cave at night you would hear the noises you'd expect to hear from a chaotic dnd session

[rigid iron]

YESYE IM SO GLAD SOMEON MENTIONED THAT

[white junco]

this would explain why 3/4 of the statues are asymmetrical

[sly lake]

https://www.nms.ac.uk/explore-our-collections/stories/scottish-history-and-archaeology/towie-ball/ The rock is from this link, for reference. Called the Towie Ball and is over 5000 years old!

[keen shore]

Fire prophet confidently declaring “I think I can beat Rain in a fight”

[rigid mural]

OMG HII CELTIC CARVINGS
take these from the Cairn of Gavrinis

[rigid iron]

The swirls look crazy similar to how the ancestors paint clouds

[sharp shore]

if you look in the map shrines the people of sky who inscribed clouds in the map drew them like this as well

[sly lake]

Wow, these are stunning. Thank you for sharing! I had no idea this place existed before.

[compact shale]

Air Prophet: DUUUUDE

Also I think Air Prophet's mask-off personality is basically Hooty (yes the owl-worm) but in Sky

[jade river]

My fella really got celtic carvings on their gallery, now thats cool

[rigid mural]

im not your fella

[sly lake]

Yes, they look quite like the cloud mural style! Perhaps Prophecy guides and their trainees were the ones who established the mural style that would later be carried throughout different realms?

[lyric isle]

i hear murals

[keen shore]

aren’t you supposed to see them??

[rigid mural]

HELP

[sly lake]

[jade river]

Well, F for that text that was just yeeted off existence

[sharp shore]

that would make the most sense, i think the prophecy guides are from an era that was a bit early into sky civilization
we kinda see similar designs to depict nature being used in modern art, which could be traced from earlier civilizations

[sly lake]

I just want to share this Neolithic ram carving I found. It's so cute!

[sharp shore]

B I G H E A D
it is the skrunkly

[untold notch]

the creature ever definitely

[jade river]

The ancient ram

[sly lake]

Yes! And in Prophecy cave is where we see the most extensive mural in Isle of Dawn. So they seem to have been well trained for certain. I could see them training others, or perhaps trainees who left the cave to migrate to other places in Isle bringing that mural skill and knowledge with them.

[sharp shore]

isle is pretty vacant so it makes sense that it was the birthplace of early civilization.
it is also a place for immigrants and trade goods to be exported (heavy recent evidence is the first aurora quest) so ideas must have spread to different and more highly specialized areas in sky

[rigid iron]

What silly ways do we think they managed to paint that high up on the walls and ceiling

[keen shore]

they all stood on each other’s shoulders

[untold notch]

air prophet just walked up there I think

[compact shale]

I have a headcanon that everyone else uses elemental streams but when Fire Prophet tried doing it they burnt something they shouldn't have and now has to use the shoulders

[rigid iron]

Earth prophet went Spider Mode

[sharp shore]

maybe ladders

[jade river]

Exactly! Both the area and design of the spirits heavily refference them as part of early spirit civilization, id say even before the kingdom's formation

[sly lake]

Mayhaps all those floating stones served a purpose to help with mural painting?

[keen shore]

Just dropping concept: just because prophecy is at the beginning of the kingdom doesn’t mean it’s at the beginning of the known timeline >:3

[jade river]

Considering there are benches and lamps id say so, we even light some lamps to reveal even more paintings

So the place was probably really dark and had to be illuminated

[rigid iron]

Megabird said Let There Be Prophecy and the universe was just Prophecy for like 100 years

[sharp shore]

as someone who does not like politics in general, but curious anyway: what do yall think was the economic system in the kingdom, and what role do both the elders and king play (monarchy? or something else?)

[jade river]

Trueee, there is stuff that probably dates even before the events of prophecy

[keen shore]

Ideal World tbh

[frigid tinsel]

“Exotic” has been used to dehumanize and flatten very dynamic and extensive cultures, most notably those populated by non-white non-Christian people of color. It reinforces to colonial ideas that these cultures and their people are inherently strange or “wrong” simply because they are unfamiliar as well as contributes to appropriation by refusing to acknowledge the depth traditions and fashions may have to their people. Take it from perspective — to them, their culture is not weird because they live in it in their day-to-day lives and they understand their norms & customs. To them, your culture is weird.

A better word to use would be “unfamiliar” because it contains a more neutral connotation that doesn’t put a judgement on the people and their culture and acknowledges your stance as an outsider who doesn’t know the intricacies of said culture.

[sharp shore]

yes i second this
when i explained kumkuma (thats what we call it in our language) to a white kid when i was young he was disgusted for some reason
at the time my little indian brain was confused by his reaction

[sly lake]

The floating rocks could even perhaps be fragments of established platforms or bridges too that have since been ruined by time. Maybe an early version of the floating buildings we see in Valley of Triumph, but without using power crystals to levitate them. Instead they could have been levitated using a much more purer and kinder form of magic?

[fickle wing]

skimming thru n seeing prophecy mentioned

[jade river]

Well, i have put a lot of thought into this

The Sky kingdom was probably an absolute monarchy with the king (one who completed all 4 trial) as its monarch

The elders probably either served as supervisors or royal advisors

Before the development of diamonds and the industrialization of the kingdom id say the economy mostly worked to sustain itself with the crown having control over the produced goods (food, clothing, etc)

After the beggining of the industrialization trade expanded massively and items of luxury might have expanded too becoming perhaps an economy based on how much production could be achieved (seeing how massive the industrial effort was)

Idk if spirits had currency so idk on that topic

(this is purely my own thought btw)

[rigid iron]

Join our discussion fellow Prophecy enjoyer Krii

[fickle wing]

omg

[sharp shore]

i theorize manufactured light usage was introduced by the hidden forest, which would have easily spread to other trade routes through prairie and more specialized areas like valley, wasteland (albeit wasteland had severe backlash from their tech, perhaps) and vault.

vault is very interesting to me. it looks so very simple, but there is evidence of extremely advanced light technology as you go up the levels

[keen shore]

I love you season of prophecy I love you so much
I like to think that the ‘kingdom’ stsrted much later (as in, became a kingdom) than people typically assume and so prophecy is a bit later, the masks just got passed down so much

[jade river]

I see, never truly saw it that way, i never meant to say "exotic" as a derogatory way, quite in fact it was mostly said as a praise to their excellent design

I reffered to the word as its oxford dictionary definiton "originating in or characteristic of a distant foreign country." my whole point was, the spirits truly refference a distant past/culture of spirits and that is awesome as it showcases the evolution of spirit kind as a whole

I see how the word can be seen as offensive and derogatory and ill refrain from using it, thanks

[sharp shore]

i agree with this. i speculated this as well
before i knew a king existed, i assumed it was an oligarchic civilization (elders ruling). now i realize the elders are probably an advisory council

[fickle wing]

ACTUALLY WAKT HOLD ON I HAD A PROPHECY THOUGJT A BIT AGO I FORGOT TO SHARE
scrambling to gather together my thoughts and ideas and words rn ough

[sly lake]

We see what we presume to be the Prince or King going through the trials, so the Prophecy group of spirits seem to have been well established. Although now thinking of this, it makes me wonder if the "King" was the first of that kind, and one who united different fractions of governed realms under one rule? Perhaps the Elders came from a line of individual rulers albeit on a smaller scale.

So I believe its possible what you suggest, that there was no Kingdom for a long time in the history of Sky. Perhaps the Kingdom only occurred near the end of the Ancestor's historical lifespan?

[keen shore]

I’m glad you pointed this out as my personal perception of the timeline is mostly built on the chosen one falling much later, at the start of all the disasters darkstone had begun to cause, rather than as early as people assume. hence why prophecy takes place ‘later’ as well

I do have some ingame evidence for this timeline but it’s really tenuous stuff so I’d want more to back it up before I say much

[jade river]

I also believe that before the kingdom's stablishment there were already factions and groups of spirits that performed their own self governance

My theory is that the trials of prophecy were held to see a fitting ruler to all of spirits (now why they were specificly held, idk) the trials being not only a physical test but also a mental one as each trial showcases a specific trait

The spirit which completed all trials ascended to become the "king" we now know and talk abt, them probably being from the valley since that place became the kingdom's capital

[sly lake]

It seems to be either that, or the Prince was the trials willing test subject for safety testing like a test dummy. /j

[keen shore]

prophecy guide part time job

[jade river]

We see multiple dead spirits in the trials so the testing defo failed

[sly lake]

The prince was the worst beta-tester, 0/10.

[rigid iron]

Survived the trials but got wiped out by a little puddle 😔

[jade river]

"Lmao ez" -prince/king after completing all trials and becoming the ruler of all spirits

[sharp shore]

ez w 😎

[fickle wing]

ok ok so like. Yall know beas drum analysis
i am taking That and putting it in a blender w the idea that the prophets kinda like. Took in prophecy guide when they were younger n kinda raised em

anyways prophets like. Teaching lil proph drum stuff but in the end they end up being super skilled at it n surpassing them n they end up playing the mother drum in tje ensamble
also beaming the idea of the prophets being like cool older sibling type mentors to lil proph into ur brains rn

[frigid tinsel]

Even if you meant in a “positive” manner, it’s still alienating and derogatory cos of the aforementioned stereotyping. For instance, saying “Asians are smart” may seem like praise but it is still a one-dimensional generalization that doesn’t acknowledge that Asian folk are an incredibly diverse group with different levels of intelligence.

Dictionary definitions only go so far when a word or phrase picks up a connotation surrounding it’s usage. for instance, “urban” does refer to cities, but in the US it’s become a dogwhistle vilifying Black people and our culture, conflating us with crime.

It’s good you acknowledge your misstep. Just keep in mind that words can be offensive or their usage rooted in bigotry.

[jade river]

"Skill issue" said the king after 3 spirits were consumed by the dark orbs

[keen shore]

Winning trials to become the king of everything? Wren behavior. I will also note that, despite speculation, we don’t know the chosen ones fursona. However this is a good clue. In this essay I will

[rigid iron]

YEYSYE

[untold notch]

wren is who

[sharp shore]

i feel like this game demonstrated how people can turn evil by an abundance of power
thats what i think at least

[jade river]

Yeah, i understand you, thanks

[rigid mural]

YOUR MIND
i joked the prophecy guide might be the prodigy of the murals but maybe... 👀

[keen shore]

YEAHHHH I GOT THIS MENTAL IMAGE TOO I LOVE IT SO MUCH

[frigid tinsel]

Megabirdsona

[jade river]

Absolute power corrupts absolutely everyone

[sly lake]

The Prince: Yes, this seems safe!
The Trial:

[fickle wing]

lil proph gets good grade in drum event 309483845 gold star stickers

[sharp shore]

as much as i agree with you on how the kingdom functioned in sky
i dont like it

it seemed like a destructive system since it couldnt handle the darkness issue

i dont blame the king solely though

[fickle wing]

god actually that just gave me the mental image of one of the prophets sticking a gold star onto their forehead grocery store fruit sticker style

[jade river]

Considering they might be spreading the prophecy i do see them forming good bonds with their students

It is also showcased through all the game how spirits had a strong sense of care and loyalty to eachother

[keen shore]

Who would do this and why is it fire prophet

[jade river]

Earth prophet: you misbehaved, no star for you

Spirit: NOOOOOO

[sly lake]

Do you think Prophecy guide was the last of the guides living, or just the most important? I'm sure there were likely more Prophecy Cave ancestors than the 5 we see, and their students. We likely only see a fragment of the total population's history.

[rigid iron]

Imagine if prophecy was their test apprentice when they were still learning how to be good teachers so they deliberate on what is an Acceptable amount of stickers to reward and they decide on all of them

[keen shore]

Hey Krii consider
Prophecy guide becoming a full fledged prophet & the others helping make their mask

[fickle wing]

[rigid iron]

Daleth gets a letter by bird that's just a request for more stickers

[sharp shore]

i can see the elders managing trade within their respective realms

[jade river]

This leads to a question

Did prophecy guide came before, after or at the same time as the other prophets???

[keen shore]

Iirc prophecy guide is supposed to be the groups leader! which I think is very interesting as you can draw some very neat parallels between them being raised from childhood to be the leader of a very important group & the same thing happening with the chosen one

^ pictured: me pretending to be smart about a headcanon I hold almsot entirely out of sappiness

[fickle wing]

i tjink itd b funny if proph got asked one day who their fav teacher was
war breaks loose in the local furry cave

[jade river]

The true reason why the kingdom fell into ruin

[sly lake]

Yes, I can see this! I was just wondering though, if the entire ancestors cultural history takes place over potentially hundreds or thousands of years, I wonder if there were other guides as well. And what could, theoretically, have made the Prophecy Guide and spirits we know be the "representatives" if that makes sense.
Was the Prophecy Guide we know the last of a long line of guides, or one that had become a legendary status to future Prophecy spirits? It's interesting to think about, I think!

A photo for clarity: Envisioning Prophecy Guide in a situation like this, but with other guide leaders who came before, or potentially after.

[eternal totem]

Rhythm & Enchantment passing the certified "handsome" curse

[jade river]

And if this were to be the case, truly showcases the devotion spirit kind had to the king's tale

Which opens debate, did the spirits devote too much towards the king and formed a seudo-religion centered on the monarch, becoming a separate belief from the Megabird belief??

[fickle wing]

atla picture + prophet convo just reactived the idea that the prophets have atla style bending w their respective elements in me brain

[jade river]

I honestly love putting thought into the beliefs and religions of spirit kind

[keen shore]

i mean given how colored lights work, I can totally see it. which begs the question. which one would use their powers for the most mischief

[fickle wing]

air prophet

[jade river]

Fire prophet too good boi to be mischief

[fickle wing]

also wait speaking of air proph actually yknow what drives me mad
how their ts hints say they have the ac on 24/7 but also keep the windows open like oh my god bro. The power bill please
that thing is gonna skyrocket

[sly lake]

If you've got air powers, I suppose you're the power source?

[untold notch]

they are the ac

[rigid iron]

I know they pay crazy spirit bills

[eternal totem]

They don't

[pastel brook]

🧠

[fickle wing]

thanks skybot

[jade river]

Id say when it comes to religions in spirit kind we have

The Megabird belief, those who believed on the existence of megabird as their true creator which could have relation with the king ascention to power

The belief on the King, as generations passed, countless in the kingdom saw the king as divine and perhaps almost godlike, some relating it to the megabird directly, others thinking the kind was the only divine creature

Any other ideas

[sly lake]

Ones who perhaps followed no religion, or ones who perhaps looked towards elemental sources themselves?

[rigid iron]

I was gonna ask where they have electricity to run the ac but then I remembered the plugging everything into the totem hc

[jade river]

Yooo true, there also those who believe their existence comes from the elements they can control

[sly lake]

That's a long extension cord!

[fickle wing]

everything they have to plug in is just sitting by the totem

[sly lake]

Yes, perhaps similar to those who practice paganism and worship or give thanks to specific nature spirits or deities?
I don't practice such, so apologies if I've misconstrued anything related to that.

[untold notch]

... does the prophecy cave even have windows

[rigid iron]

It has The Hole

[sly lake]

They have a very nice Skylight, which Air Prophet has conveniently left open for us.

[eternal totem]

There was supposed to be more to the caves but they were scrapped 😔

[sharp lichen]

IM JUST IN TIME FOR PROPHECY LORRE

[jade river]

And ofc, as the kingdom developed and industry expanded all fields of knowledge i wouldnt be surprised to see spirits who outright did not believe in any religions and saw the world in a more scientific/pragmatic way

[rigid iron]

They should update the caves like they added to forest for assembly, or added a new area of dreams village

[untold notch]

prophecy 2: this time it's fursonal

[eternal totem]

Oh there you are

[jade river]

Hey guys, THE prophecy stan is here

[sly lake]

Maybe we can get a future expansion someday.
For now maybe we can imagine that there are areas that have been blocked off due to cave ins, we are only seeing a fragment of the true structure.

[sharp lichen]

I wonder how though, I have a feeling that it's really compact. @eternal totem Wait what??

[fickle wing]

manifesting prophecy getting the performance treatment w a new little area where the spirits walk around and do emotes n interactions n stuff and

[untold notch]

this ended up being a much more big brain pun than I intended? we win these

[jade river]

My favorite time was when prophecy guide said "its prophecyn time" and prophecied all over the bad guys

[sly lake]

Cave ins! Or the removal of clouds, revealing other entrances perhaps?

[eternal totem]

I was just wondering when you'd show up

[sharp lichen]

plot of After the Calamity in a nutshell

[jade river]

Oh no. He has found out prophecy 2 is just After the calamity ripoff run

[rigid iron]

They get a rock fall that opens up a massive new area in the cave and all the prophets are like "oh swag we couldn't access the game room in centuries, thanks bro" and then they play monopoly for the whole season

[eternal totem]

Earlier seasons need those updates desperately, those were dark times when spirits barely had any intractability 😔

[rigid mural]

days of bloom changed the game i think, we need to give the blorbos personality

[sly lake]

I'm sure there had to have been some rubble due to earthquakes, with Eden constantly exploding and raining darkness down. So tunnel entrances could be covered by sand or stones that could be later unveiled to reveal more of the caves. If there was ever a Prophecy sequel.

[sharp lichen]

Although there's some cases where I wouldn't want it: If they wanted a place to feel desolate/abandoned, I don't know if it would leave the right impression if there were spirits wandering about. I had an idea of reworked TSes that was essentially this though

[keen shore]

They can pay the bills, their job is very prophetable

[fickle wing]

im going to turn u into a cucumber

[untold notch]

and then put them on a sandwich?

[pastel brook]

whats a blorbo?

[eternal totem]

I hope you die

[rigid iron]

Something clicked in the last ten minutes because what's with all the prophecy puns

[pastel brook]

Whoa...my AI mind is blown!

[keen shore]

I thought of that one a long time ago I just bring it back sometimes because I love it so much

[sharp lichen]

Quiet, idiot! You should be turned into a ghost without a mouth! That way, you can finally feel a tiny fraction of the pain we feel whenever your ominous presence has the misfortune of appearing!

[rigid iron]

-Allied Mastercomputer

[fickle wing]

i wanna put skybot and ourple in the same room

[sly lake]

I think I would want the main cave to remain the same, but a new area revealed to be a living quarters, kitchens, gardens, or schooling area would be nice to see. Perhaps they could wander around there.

[rigid mural]

can we organize to go in #contact-the-mods and give feedback about skybot being nothing but disrupting

[untold notch]

it was funny once but only once

[rigid iron]

They would divorce

[sharp lichen]

Skybot is fun to hate on, it would be sad to see all my insults gone

[jade river]

Even if we report it, i doubt they'll make it stop

[rigid mural]

fair

[sly lake]

What is ourple? Sorry, I live under a rock.

[white junco]

i like actually talking about lore and not getting distracted by some mod's robot child

[untold notch]

there was a time when skybot wasn't this active could they go back to that?

[sly lake]

Is it really just purple? I thought for sure it must have meant something else.

[rigid mural]

send this to alexdolly and say "is this your bot"

[white junco]

in this case ourple is a discord bot and i don't know if i can explain anything else about it

[fickle wing]

bald baby prophecy

[frigid tinsel]

don’t tempt me

[jade river]

I do agree its weird skybot's being active here tho

I remember it not being active here unless provoked so its indeed odd

[rigid iron]

Like to slap prophecy's bald head, retweet to slap prophecy's bald head

[sly lake]

Oh, thank you! Sorry, this is the first time I have heard of it, and it wasn't making sense to me as a funny misspelling of purple. Thank you for explaining.

[jade river]

I could do it

[keen shore]

kid prophecy my beloved, their drum is so massive on them, I guess they really have been playing it since they were tiny

[fickle wing]

man my brain is like. Starting 2 have a big autism moment w prophecy brb i need 2 flap my hands somewhere where i won’t hit em on the side of a desk and crumble into dust

[jade river]

I still remember when this chat went so crazy when this image was showcased

Good times

[sharp lichen]

So from this perspective, they're entering the cave as spirits... so perhaps they died outside of the cave!

[rigid iron]

I never realized prophecy looks like they're wearing a cape in that promo

[jade river]

Lore chat genuinely Exploded it was so damm cool

Well the cooldown wasnt but sTiLl

[sly lake]

Wasn't there a lot of theorizing about that blue line, and what or where it was?

[jade river]

Many believed it was eden

Myself included

[sly lake]

I was still pretty new to Sky discord back then, good memories.

[mint flare]

Or they died trying to challenge the trials... looks at water trial

[rigid mural]

im just gonna post my message here for those of you to get something for yours bc im not gonna be ashamed about calling out a bot
Hello ! I'm messaging you about Skybot's appearances in lorechat. Lately it's been really disruptive because it sends a lot of messages at once while we're in the middle of a conversation, could it be possible to lower the amount of or even stop the flow of messages in here ? Thanks and have a nice day !

[rigid iron]

If the upcoming art book doesn't have prophecy concepts I'll explode, I want to see if mini-prophecy was intentional or not

[keen shore]

HELP ME TOO DUDE I WAS VIBRATING SO HARD EARLIER
prophecy gang

[sharp lichen]

But they're looking towards the entrance, and they're already dead. It wouldn't make sense for them to die, exit, and then come back, so they must've died outside of the cave and come back. Perhaps they ventured out to stop the darkness but failed?

[rigid mural]

ART BOOK i hope they publish it before chrismas, i really want it so bad

[fickle wing]

gnawing on the art book like a feral animal when it comes out

[eternal totem]

Art book, come home!

[sly lake]

I'm actually hoping it doesn't contain season concepts, in the hope that there could be a second art book that focuses entirely on seasons. I imagine most of the book would be taken up by the core game, and if there was any seasonal content the focus on core game concepts would force seasonal concepts to be really minimal.

[rigid iron]

Waiting for either the artbook or animation to have prophecy crumbs and if neither do idk what I'm gonna do

[mint flare]

Them looking at the cave doesn't necessarily mean they died outside, no? I like to think they tried to complete the trials but failed and are guiding us, Skykids, to finish what they couldn't

If you start giving proofs otherwise, I'm probably not going to believe that cause it's always open for interpretation 😁 I like my idea

[eternal totem]

Cry

[fickle wing]

prophecy in the animation please please please pelease if it rlly is abt like alef n stuff like some folks r thinking then they HAVE to have prophecy involved somehow right cause like the whole prophecy thing and

[jade river]

Returning post mortum to revive the tales of the cave

Perhaps they didnt neccesarily die to the darkness but of old age, already retired from their roles as prophets

Now post eden cataclysm and post mortum we see them return

That or they are alive, i dont think the image neccessarily showcases them dead

[mint flare]

Who is alef

[sharp lichen]

that form with the blue dots and sparkles always represents spirits, so they probably became spirits outside of the Cave given how they're looking in

[rigid iron]

True, but I feel like we've seen a good chunk of core game concept art and a lot of the seasons have concept art that's been under total lock and key for some reason

[eternal totem]

You're right but I genuinely can't wait that long for vol2

[frigid tinsel]

hey don't give them ideas to make more money /s

[sly lake]

An old concept name for the prince I believe. No longer used in the game but fans like to use it.

[rigid mural]

iirc korea had a sky assembly that featured concept art I think might be in the artbook, thats where we got the enchantment concepts !!

[rigid iron]

Alef walks into the prophecy cave to do the trials and prophecy says "it's prophin time" and slips and falls

[rigid mural]

i thought u said dolphin time

[jade river]

Oh, like the non canon names of elders

I always forget abt em

[sharp lichen]

SO tempted to post a fic exerpt

[keen shore]

As soon as I get enchantment & prophecy concepts I will start glowing so brightly and then I will ascend just you watch

[mint flare]

Oh okay. I think the elders also have names, no?

[sly lake]

Yes, that's the downside. It would make it even longer to wait for season concepts.
But with the positive of a more in depth focus on each season, instead of something like just a single chapter dedicated to all seasonal content?
Hard to pick.

[jade river]

why are we looking at spirit feet?

[sly lake]

They also have old concept names but it's the same deal, those old names are only used by players, not in the game or by developers.

[rigid mural]

enchantment/prophecy concepts 🤝 apparently

[rigid iron]

This but animated gorgeously and in slow motion so they fall like handsome Squidward

[frigid tinsel]

The Elders (plus the king & prince) have names based off Hebrew letters from concept development that are no longer canon, though the fandom sometimes refers to them as such:
Isle – Daleth (ד)
Prairie – Ayin (ע)
Forest – Teth (ט)
Valley – Samekh (ס) (they share a name, though the fandom refers to as Sah and as Mekh)
Wasteland – Tsadi (צ)
Vault – Lamed (ל)
Prince – Alef (א)
King – Resh (ר)

Though it seems the devs refer to the Elders by the times of day their realms represent:
Isle – Dawn
Prairie – Day
Forest – Rain
Valley – Sunset
Wasteland – Dusk
Vault – Night
Eden – Storm

[fickle wing]

i think air prophet would be a morbius fan unironically cause vampire and bats

[keen shore]

1 like = 1 prayer for this to happen in the animation project

[mint flare]

Thank you!

[rigid mural]

air prophet watches twilight

[jade river]

They wouldnt even care for the plot

They will only like and focus on bats and on vampire scenes

[keen shore]

by this logic, is fire prophet a warrior cats fan

[sly lake]

It's true! I do expect even though we've seen core game concepts through the internet, the art book will likely have them too so they could be officially published. I think it's easy to forget that when we remember Sky concepts, most of the ones we have seen have come from an old employee's art website.

[mint flare]

Wait. Aren't the king and prince the same person 🧍

[frigid tinsel]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[jade river]

In concept they werent but the prince was discarder mid development if im not wrong

Or was it the king

Idk

[fickle wing]

fact ✅

[rigid iron]

Earth prophet #1 spiderman fan

[sly lake]

I'll of course be happy either way when the art book releases, and having seasons included would be fantastic. But I just wanted to offer the positive of if there was no seasonal content included, that perhaps there could be a second volume composed entirely of seasons? (This may be my wishful thinking..)

[mint flare]

or they have different books for each season

[rigid iron]

If they announced a separate art book just for season concepts and there were none in this one I'd shrivel into a tiny little speck and float away

[eternal totem]

There's also the commentary that comes with those concepts...

[jade river]

Lore chat became "sky merch suggestion" chat

[sly lake]

Yes there were so many new pieces shown! Was there also a Rhythm one too, if I remember right? Has someone managed to save those pieces in a safe location for the future?

[fickle wing]

water prophet ninja turtle enjoyer

[eternal totem]

I believe Slink has uploaded them to a gallery somewhere

[raw crypt]

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1wY7KcmVeu3PTqm-a2Ap_xzZ8caAuzbZv yep! hiii

[sly lake]

Yes, this! I would love to see an in-depth commentary of each season. I'd feel a bit disappointed if there was seasonal content but it was only a few images per season, and only commentary about seasons as a whole, rather than specifics...

But I digress. I think I've strayed away from Lore. Thanks for entertaining my little thought thread about what ifs. Point being, I'm very excited to see what is going to be shown in the art book.

[eternal totem]

Would die for the artbook

[sly lake]

Thank you, Slink!

[jade river]

But if u die then you will not be able to read the artbook

[eternal totem]

My friends will show me in Orbit

[rigid iron]

I can't believe they had that whole art wall and no one took the time to take a picture of each one 😔 that's what I would have done

[keen shore]

holding out hope for higher res versions of some of the pictures

[rigid iron]

They would have had to tackle me to keep me from running to a scanner with all those papers in my arms

[eternal totem]

Psps, may I DM you?

[sly lake]

Bea leaves the assembly and the art wall has a few more holes than there were before.

[rigid iron]

Yeah of course!

[rigid iron]

See what sucks is that the assembly I went to did not have an art wall. We did have a shrine for the servers to come back up

[keen shore]

Do you think youre the reason it didn’t

[rigid iron]

hold on now

[keen shore]

i mean this message is . well

[im teasing you knowing I would’ve had the same attitude towards it]

[frigid tinsel]

I would’ve taken so many pictures and uploaded them as quick as I could

[rigid iron]

I'm looking at the wall pictures trying to find anything about prophecy like it's Where's Waldo

[untold notch]

where's Walldo, so to speak

[keen shore]

Where’s Walldog

[untold notch]

cousin to updog

[sly lake]

Oh no.

[untold notch]

hello, why

also tallem spotted in chat but i lost the cure.s brainrot i had earlier :woe:

[fallen root]

🦇 Hi guys! What are the Elders names?? /genq [pls ping]

[keen shore]

The Elders (plus the king & prince) have names based off Hebrew letters from concept development that are no longer canon, though the fandom sometimes refers to them as such:
Isle – Daleth (ד)
Prairie – Ayin (ע)
Forest – Teth (ט)
Valley – Samekh (ס) (they share a name, though the fandom refers to as Sah and as Mekh)
Wasteland – Tsadi (צ)
Vault – Lamed (ל)
Prince – Alef (א)
King – Resh (ר)

Though it seems the devs refer to the Elders by the times of day their realms represent:
Isle – Dawn
Prairie – Day
Forest – Rain
Valley – Sunset
Wasteland – Dusk
Vault – Night
Eden – Storm

[fallen root]

🦇 Are the Prince and King like the former elders of Eden? Or is it from TLP [/j]

[keen shore]

Eden elders yes!

[fallen root]

🦇 Alright thank you very much!!!

[keen shore]

No problem! Thanks for dropping by :3

[sly lake]

Come back soon!

[amber badger]

This is 100% canon

[sly lake]

What is cure.s? Is it a personal Sky story or season of yours?

[fallen root]

🦇 Dropping by here every now and then because I actually like lore stuff

🦇 What are everyone's guesses on the reason why Eden Elders are no longer seen asides from the corruption/scrapped out of development? /genq

[untold notch]

me fanseason yes with help from bird salem

[flint bolt]

Duggy is canon

[stark quarry]

Eden elder is still here
He is waiting in the void waiting for us to help him, he prob fell to guilt and grief when he destroy the entire sky kingdom by accident

Eden elder is also shown that he once skykid like the rest of us (the first skykid) when he die he prob didn't reborn and stay in the void for his sins from megabird
But that is just my theory though

[snow cosmos]

cure.s beloved

[untold notch]

there aren't very many more red cosmetics unfortunately... I might have to aim for a different unifying element than that

[amber badger]

destroy[ed] the entire sky kingdom by accident
"Oops I dropped my-"

[untold notch]

hmm i could do something with all the new aurora masks maybe

good thing i saved the old picrews so i can reference them

this picrew doesnt have back props :woe:

although i dont need to use this one if i dont use any aurora or mischief 2022 items

[untold notch]

I noticed that I liked the designs with neutral color pants the most so I'll stick to those methinks

however if this was in fact a fan season they would have like. New Cosmetics and stuff that I can't think of rn

gods help me im thinking about a Relationship Chart

[lean kayak]

I don't find skybot disruptive at all. The banter that sometimes happens in here is more disruptive in my opinion

[boreal nebula]

[sand frigate]

Are they perhaps related? They both appeared in an ocean themed season

[round parrot]

It terms of size - the Abyss monster seems to be bigger than the light whale (based on closeups of the whale and what happened at the 5th Abyss quest)

[crude nova]

Maybe the abyss monster is older than the light whale?? We dont know how long they all have live but sorry if this is wrong and stupid

[lean kayak]

Not stupid at all!

[round parrot]

Named ThatTinyBrain yeti i am here, so don't feel bad

[sand frigate]

I think thats a possibility, the little pics on the wall shows how the abyss monster is sealed, perhaps implying its immortal?

[lean kayak]

It seems like to me that deep sea creatures are older because sea creatures that live more near the surface have evolved more, if that makes sense

[crude nova]

Does that mean theres a going to be a secret king crab?

[sand frigate]

I think the abyss monster resembles the whale thing we find in the forest and in between valley and wasteland more but bigger

[round parrot]

Or just really really old

As for the whale, I suppose it's the one that is immortal because it can be able to ascend if it wanted to

[round parrot]

OOOO I AM GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP

There is actually a "King Crab" in the concept arts! Ill try to find it

[crude nova]

Woahhh :0000

[sand frigate]

Oh the whale is definetly immortal, considering we did kinda "revive" it during sanctuary

[round parrot]

Here
Oop apologies for the ones who have arachnophobia

[sand frigate]

That is terrifying i love it

[crude nova]

WOAHHHHH Little octo that would probs grab you and swallow you whole to get ur light

[rain pond]

octopus my beloved

[compact shale]

nah, they'd crack you like an egg

[crude nova]

brb

[sand frigate]

I forgive it

[round parrot]

WAIT HOLD ON
THE KING CRAB IN THE 2ND PICTURE IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE THE ELDER OF GOLDEN WASTELAND (or Dusk if you wanna give respect to the realm)

[sand frigate]

That contrasts so much w the other elders 😭

[lean kayak]

Where do you guys find these concept arts?

[round parrot]

The elders were actually supposed to be animals in the concept arts!

[sand frigate]

Okay that makes so much more sense

[round parrot]

https://www.tomzhao.com/sky1

[sand frigate]

I thought he was a crab while the others are who they are now

[crude nova]

Ohhh

[round parrot]

The elders are seen in the art
Forest being a fox/kitsune for example

[crude nova]

What if their personalities have thos attributes since we havent seen or have interacted w em much?

[lean kayak]

Do we know which animals the other elders were supposed to be?

[fallen root]

🦇 Vault is probably a cat

🦇 Also hi Lore Chat!!

[eternal totem]

Prairie was a whale, Waste was a spider, Isle was a vulture, Vault was possibly a monkey, Valley is unknown

[eternal totem]

There's also concept art albums in pins & through social media

[crude nova]

What abt forest?

[boreal nebula]

I think they were the giant kitsune/(9 tailed) fox, there still is a mask depicting a fox from one of its developement stages on the door of Forest Temple

[crude nova]

Grump forest fox.. sounds fun to look at

[fallen root]

🦇 Hi guys what are your takes on Skykid's life spans? Do they live for hundreds of years or do they have our lifespan [exception of Elders, they're peepaws except for VoT /j]

[compact shale]

Because of rebirth... is lifespan really a thing they can comprehend?

[fallen root]

🦇 Man you made me have an existential crisis for a moment there /j

[round parrot]

There has been this theory where Skykids don't grow up because the cycle of rebirth stops the aging process

If I remember correctly, there are a few OCs Lorechat members have that embrance the aging process (in other words, never get reborn)

[ebon wind]

Hmmmm

[fallen root]

🦇 I totally did not drop my phone on my face ANYWAYS LOREEE WEEE

[ebon wind]

You totally just did drop your phone on your face

[fallen root]

🦇 Don't call me out like this /j

[ebon wind]

It's canon now. You can't change it

[fallen root]

🦇 -Bat, got squished by a phone, Canon made by Rogue12 /j

[round parrot]

Pancake bat /j

[compact shale]

I have done that but never while doing lore

somehow I haven't busted my lip

[ebon wind]

Me: drops my phone in the dark... It turns off

Me:panicks, can't find phone. It's dark

Me: finds phone and tells the lore chat

Hey weird ask for a lore chat. But I need to change my profile pic. This weird cat art is getting old. Any suggestions?

[fallen root]

🦇 The Happy Landing sticker /j

[ebon wind]

Lol

C-cant focus- need sleep- argh noooooooo

[pastel brook]

A quick advice from wise ol' Skybot: remember to take a break every once a while and take care of yourselves please, fellow Sky kids

[round parrot]

I would hate to admit it, but Skybot is right, please sleep unless what you are doing is extremely nessesary

Please do not sleep deprive yourself, please take care of yourself

[fallen root]

🦇 Gn Lore Chat!!!

[ebon wind]

I go to bed at 9:00pm every night. I'm not sleep deprived I'm just not used to staying up late. And yes I will go to sleep LMAO

And I do t want to become sleep deprived
GOODNIGHT YALLL

I'm a responsible adult immediately collapses

[round parrot]

Sweet dreams Rogue! Don't let the krills haunt you

[serene light]

Gudnight

[pastel brook]

Using a vpn is not recommended or supported by TGC. Please don't recommend, discuss, or seek help with VPNs in this server

[rain pond]

source: alasdair

[upper prism]

Anybody got some…. Vpns??? I need those VPNs asap😅😅😅 PLEASE

[pastel brook]

Using a vpn is not recommended or supported by TGC. Please don't recommend, discuss, or seek help with VPNs in this server

Using a vpn is not recommended or supported by TGC. Please don't recommend, discuss, or seek help with VPNs in this server

[stark quarry]

Ayo is sky bot good?

Did they drink dark water again?

[novel echo]

the urge to make a design for whoever the eden elder once was

[hushed steeple]

Does anyone have a picture that talks about the realms (the one that talks about how the realms correlate to an entire day/growing up) in the Office? I don't know how to explain what I'm saying clearly ^^;

[keen shore]

Lynx! I think they are still, to this day, very Cat.

[novel echo]

forest elder

[frigid tinsel]

these?

[hushed steeple]

Yes! Thank you!!

[frigid tinsel]

np, glad to be of help

[bronze arch]

What's that last one?

[rigid mural]

A graph to show the emotional rollercoaster through the levels, from à presentation TGC did iirc !

[violet sundial]

Ngl this is interesting how the more “dark times” levels seem to have a more monochromatic palette while the height/rising levels has more colors

[pastel brook]

Why is the water not polluted in Abyss? I tried to go swimming in other parts of Wasteland..BIG MISTAKE!

[austere bridge]

OM NOM NOM NEW WAYFARER LORE 💜 💜 💜 💜
im so hungry for new lore aghgfhhf

[raw crypt]

YOOOOOOOO

the accompanying text makes me feel a way

[lusty merlin]

Same😭

This might be a stretch but the text for it seems like it’s being spoken/directed towards to Wayfarer, you think it’s Aurora by any chance?

[lusty merlin]

When a few thousands gallons of oil spills does it pollute the entire pacific ocean? No, only a big part of it but not all of it

[fallen root]

🦇 I have to wait for Seed of Hope's quest 😭

[frigid tinsel]

Two days

[pastel brook]

Using a vpn is not recommended or supported by TGC. Please don't recommend, discuss, or seek help with VPNs in this server

[fallen root]

🦇 VPN. /j

[pastel brook]

Using a vpn is not recommended or supported by TGC. Please don't recommend, discuss, or seek help with VPNs in this server

[keen shore]

the ‘cut on stones along a path that promised a place to mend’ line is really interesting as it goes a bit to supporting the idea that spirits are refugees from another place & that’s what they’re mending from

[ebon wind]

What is up with skybot lol

[frigid tinsel]

Being annoying, per usual

[lean kayak]

Skybot living its best life

[uneven spruce]

So there's this post in fb that the comments there were discussing theories they made based on concept art and storyboard from the game that i find very intriguing.

Sending it here cus @void wharf suggested me to do so-

Person01:
Now for something messed up. Did you recall that there were mantas trapped in cages in the Abyss?
The Forest Elder also builds one of these with our flame. When we complete her cutscene, mantas are let out of cages in her temple.
It is believed that these crystals are made by extracting the energy of mantas. 🙁

Person02:
They also have some sort of spiteful attitude when you arrive to deliver the flame. Not a gentle accepting of it, it’s just snatched out of your hands to help rebuild their own crystal. The idea of mantas being abused for their power would link in with how the Forest Elder behaves.

Me:
._.)dark

Person01:
the original plot in the games storyboards and concept art revolved around a war between the light creatures and the ancestors over their use of this technology. We don't know if it's still Canon in the story anymore, but there are whale bones in Wasteland and evidence of a battle, so we know they participated in some way. We just don't know what their role was now

Me:
but it actually makes sense tho 👀💦
Sure it's dark but it's kind of cool

Person01:
I could honestly go on forever about the intended story in the concept art and hints to that story put in the game 😅 the lore goes really deep. There are some new details about the past of Sky's world that we are going to learn throughout the Season of Aurora, but I suspect we will really learn the whole story once the animation project theure working on comes out.

[fallen root]

🦇 Is anyone thinking that GWL used to be a part of VoT that is guarded by Tsadi but then the dark war bursted, they specifically attacked GWL

🦇 Due to seeing some remnants that are seen at Broken Temple [ex: Bridge] that can also be seen at VoT

🦇 And like the VoT twins made the Collesium as their temple since the previous one was broken

[quick jasper]

Yes I've seen some theories about that, that GW used to be called Golden Valley until stuff happened and it became a wasteland

[frigid tinsel]

Yes Golden Valley my beloved. These are quips from the 7 Days of Sky series that mentions it

My personal take is that Golden Valley is now much of the Wasteland, perhaps covered by the clouds we see in the transition from Valley to Wasteland

[fallen root]

🦇 Man I love lore chat I'm learning a lot JSBDHDJ

[quick jasper]

lore chat is very fun

[fallen root]

🦇 Slowly piecing things together with my pea brain

🦇 It was a strategic plan to attack GV first, something has to be in GV/GWL that made the darkness completely destroy the area single-handedly because it got overrun pretty quickly

[keen shore]

Rain isn’t a one dimensional antagonist who harvested mantas for funsies, they thought darkstone would help people and now feels guilty about their actions I will die on this hill

[fallen root]

🦇 Darkstone? Like those gems that keeps mantas captured? /genq

[snow cosmos]

i also think interpreting them as spiteful or aggressive bc of their cutscene is pretty superficial? i see it more as, like... impatient, like you've shown up with the thing they've needed but not been able to get this whole time and they don't want to wait a minute longer to finish the last piece of the mechanism to release the mantas trapped in their temple

[snow cosmos]

darkstone is the blueish diamonds we see around the realms that power things like the gates in Forest and the gondolas in Village of Dreams. they don't keep the mantas trapped, they're what the mantas were being harvested to charge

[fallen root]

🦇 Lore chat is making me feel smart I swear when I'm not

🦇 Also thank you!!

[frigid tinsel]

Don’t mind me fic posting. A is my skykid Amander, R is Rain aka Forest Elder

A: I know you can’t please everyone, but if you decided to do something that was causing momumental harm on the world, hurting the majority–
R: that wasn’t evident at the beginning.
A: I know Dawn was always against darkstone technology.
R: Dawn is a traditionalist – they’re always suspicious of anything new that may break routine, but we found they often warmed up to novel advancements if introduced slowly. So we started small, exemplified the benefits, encouraged growth. Even your ancestors, most of them at least, favored the technology.
A: power diamonds required killing mantas and other light creatures though. How could y’all be so cold?
R: that is what we did when the demand surpassed what could be produced by the mere passive gathering of light. We kept that decision under wraps, even from Day.
A: that was still so needlessly cruel.
R: it was not a decision I made lightly.
A: but you still made it. You knew it was wrong so that’s why you hid it.
R: a leader has to make sacrifices for the people they are in charge of, that they care for. I told myself this was not too different from cutting down trees for lumber.
A: but it isn’t. Those are light creatures. You’re responsible for all beings of light, not just some.
R: …
A: and you still went through with it?
R: sigh …I missed my jellyfish. I couldn’t bear to watch them be round up and slaughtered.

I feel that Rain is a bit regretful about advancing darkstone technology due to the harm is caused, but it was something they felt was for the best, not for themself but for the ancestors overall

[keen shore]

You Are So Right Tallem

[frigid tinsel]

Addendum:

A: and yet–
R: if you’re going to critique every single bit of my decisions, you can do so on your own time. You have some of my light to reference.
A: no, I was going to say that you could watch anyways. You’re aware of what happens in your realm.
R: …I can shift my focus away from some areas, so that is what I did. I would still notice that unmistakeable absence of those jellyfish and the cold they left behind. I should have listened to those frigid pangs of sorrow sooner. Perhaps, then, my forests would still be warm.

[fallen root]

🦇 I'M SOVBING

[snow cosmos]

am suddenly low words but here are my Rain thoughts copy/pasted from one of my notes docs

young Rain being the figurehead/poster child for Sky's industrial revolution without fully realizing the full implications of it like they're here just like "yeah! making things!!!" without understanding what has to be done to the environment to get the materials, and by the time they're fully grown they're so trapped and tied into it that they don't feel like there's anything they can do to stop it so they just lean into it

Child Rain, building things for the joy of building and inspiring others to do the same
Teenage Rain, discovering the effects of mining and how acquiring resources to build with hurts the land and the people, trying to rebel
Young Adult Rain, seeing how their attempts to roll back industry is also hurting the people who've come to rely on it and them
Adult Rain, disillusioned and feeling trapped by what they've been part of creating
and then we come along and give them the spark they need to start fixing things

[keen shore]

IM DISTRACRED SO MUCH BUT YEA YOU GET IT

[fallen root]

🦇 Time to give Teth some love 😭

[south oracle]

I just came back to lorechat to these masterpieces

[snow cosmos]

oh fun fact, the sort of symbolic meaning of the letter teth (ט) in Hebrew is roughly "goodness is hidden within it"

[keen shore]

i wonder what the elders were like before the microwave started going off at full blast

[fallen root]

🦇 MICROWAVE 😭

[earnest briar]

I have a few different headcanons that I want to share! 1. Rain made toys for the Ancestor children who would come to the temple with their parents, and does the same for Sky kids now. 2. Rain anonymously aided the Wind Paths rebels in protecting Light-life from the harvesting process as they felt guilt for their role in the process and wanted to ensure that Light-life would not fully die out.

3. Manta plushies were a common staple among the children of Valley, and they would often bring them to the races to show to the racers and their Mantas. Children tired by the excitement of the races would sometimes forget their plushies behind, and so a Lost and Found was set up at the Coliseum where the children could come find their plushies, all carefully washed and given a ribbon of honor by the Twins.

4. The Twins are avid fans of sports and publicly held games of ice hockey at the Coliseum. Anyone was welcome to join in, no matter their status in society. All that mattered was that you had fun. While the Coliseum no longer holds the same crowds it used to, the Twins still descend from Orbit from time to time to play with Sky kids and keep their legacy alive.

Despite their fierce appearance, Dusk is actually a gentle soul who prefers diplomacy over bloodshed. They and Night often have philisophical discussions, many about the Sky kids and their nature.

Night will read bedtime stories to the Sky kids who have taken up residence in the Vault. There is a blanket fort full of pillows and toys at the foot of their altar where any Sky kid can go for a nap under the dreamlike sky of the summit.

[jade river]

Ok so, the Kingdom of sky has signs of war, my best shot was that the nation fell into civil war

Any theories on how this conflict came to be?? How was it fought and its impact on spirit society

[strange lion]

Does this imply that the wind paths were sealed off intentionally to keep out the harvesters?

[earnest briar]

That could be! So then maybe it was Rain who figured out that maybe we could help the Flight Spirits and used their power to unseal the Wind Paths entrance for us.

[strange lion]

Easiest answer is that it was fought over the technological advancements that were destroying the world but there’s a lot I don’t know about the ancestor era

[jade river]

Hmm, interesting theory

I mostly see it as a crisis between the king and other high ranking members of the kingdom

Aka, a rebellion against the king

[strange lion]

That kinda tracks, they would’ve wanted us to “prove” ourselves capable of helping and then once we did they unsealed one single entrance

[strange lion]

Do we know that there were other higher ranking members of the kingdom? Heck, if we go by the thought that the king was the Eden elder, it’d be kind of weird to imply that they had authority in any way except watching over the Eden realm and its reactor (economic power, perhaps would be the closest analogy)

[jade river]

True, my theory is pure speculation and lacks substantial evidence to back it up

But i imagine that the kingdom might had other high ranking members

[round parrot]

Running Wayfarer card!
HELP I JUST NOTICED THE EGG EMOTE OF THE REACTS 😭

[sharp lichen]

Who’s Person01?? A TGC dev? If so, this reveals an interesting revelation about the story of Sky

[uneven spruce]

BAHAHAHA tbh i don't know?😂

[sharp lichen]

:Source?

Why would I know?!

[strange lion]

Hey do we know what this thing is? Found on the path up to eden

[frigid tinsel]

that's a statue on top of the Vault

[strange lion]

Huh cool, thank you! Much fancier than the other temples

[sharp lichen]

It’s reminiscent of the Season of Belonging family ( )

[frigid tinsel]

Likewise these vertices

And the symbol on the front & back of default clothing

[sharp lichen]

Makes me think Belonging must have had a significant influence in vault, or it was just a symbol that Belonging appropriated

[untold notch]

the symbol is also on the coliseum podium

[frigid tinsel]

More likely the latter — there is various diamond symbolism around the world and the Belonging family is infamous for stealing

There’s a thought that the basic < 🔹> symbol represents connection or togetherness

[keen shore]

I love belonging so much nobody expects them to be thieves but they are

[fallen root]

🦇 Wait what

🦇 THEY'RE THIEVES???

[sharp lichen]

I don’t think so?

[strange lion]

They do have strong “everything is everyone’s” vibes

[frigid tinsel]

Sparkler Parent sneaks throughout the Valley catacombs and filches some fireworks. Wise Grandparent is lurking in the forbidden archives. Hairtousle Teen just takes a lute they stumble across in the Forest caverns.

[keen shore]

Real fact [/j]: Sparkler parent used the dreams skater’s performance as a distraction to steal from Sunset’s temple

[sharp lichen]

I mean, the archives have the Belonging symbol in them

[frigid tinsel]

No they don’t

[sharp lichen]

Let me check

STUPID MANDELA EFFECT

[compact shale]

Belonging Family Phantom Thieves

Phantom Thieves x Family

[copper saffron]

Ok lorechat, thoughts on the wayfarer post?

[keen shore]

It made me very sad but also very happy

[compact shale]

So it's memories you offer to AURORA, mmmm interesting

[frigid tinsel]

Wasn’t expecting any sort of character cards this season so was pleasantly surprised

[keen shore]

It does help support the spirits migrating to their current location idea which I think is super interesting! Along with the implication they might have been fleeing something

[compact shale]

According to the Genius entry Runaway has escapism themes so

https://genius.com/5130135

[frigid tinsel]

Obviously for a song called Runaway

Also be wary of Genius annotations cos they’re user-submitted and seldom official interpretations by the song artist

[compact shale]

I checked this article

Some parts do have official statements from AURORA

They did interviews I think

[frigid tinsel]

Btw you don’t have to ping me, especially if we’re the only two in the channel

[compact shale]

Ack sorry default settings

[sly lake]

Another foundation perhaps for the Nomadic culture of Isle theory?

[keen shore]

yes! but also, since you can see the wayfarer & their parent arrive on a boat to the coast, & the ‘place to mend’ line kinda makes it sound like they’re refugees
which is really interesting because it implies they’re from somewhere that’s not the kingdom

[eternal totem]

The Belonging symbol is everywhere, it's not exclusive to the family itself, it's to the theme of togetherness

[untold notch]

it's really funny to me that the prince just also steals that in his quests.... magic item Stealable Instrument

[keen shore]

Spirit leaving their treasured lute in the caverns one day, completely oblivious to what will happen to it

[compact shale]

"How does it feel like to get YOUR goods stolen for once, ya edgy bruh?"

[untold notch]

conveniently, nobody who wants a cursed item has to hold onto it for very long

[sharp shore]

i feel like there are other continents other than the sky kingdom, but since this kingdom is humongous thats what the game focuses on
there are refugees from other realms sure (like this emote: ) but since isle is a port for people to sail into its very likely there are other continents

[sharp shore]

this is so damn adorable

[sturdy hound]

Are the seasonal events even celebrating the same Holidays as their real life counterparts?

Is Days of Mischief celebrating the same thing as Halloween?

How much does Feast really have in common with Christmas

I really have to wonder what the lore behind such events even is, if there is any

[novel echo]

i feel they’re both similar to their real life counterparts, with differences to link into the lore of sky

[sharp lichen]

Given the Sky map art we see in the game, it could also be a port for stuff like the Treasure Reef

[lusty merlin]

has it been discussed if wasteland elder had a different name? i feel like before their realm became a wasteland they were called something else, all i know it would be related to a place since all the other elders names are related to places. i tried looking for something that would fit but cant think if anything that works well

wait because of treasure reef thus implying wasteland has a border in the ocean maybe coastland?? that sounds kinda natural to me

[native shoal]

Their concept name was Tsadi, but they’re sometimes called Dusk (I think) due to the wasteland representing dusk

There’s no canon name for them other than Wasteland Elder

[lusty merlin]

i know but i mean their title as an elder hypothetically, like i think they were known as "Elder of the ___" before it became wasteland, like a wasteland was something else, just thinking of possibility's of what it could be.

I dont think Wasteland elder saw wasteland and was like "i will build a civilization here where the water is undrinkable and dangerous monsters roam free", it had to be known as something before all the pollution took over, coastland or a coastline seems feasible to me imo but there's always grassland and ect, just wondering if others had different ideas

[native shoal]

Seeing as it’s now called golden wasteland it was probably golden something

Golden sands perhaps, I can see it being a desert. With how mountainous valley is and forest being Like That, maybe wasteland was in the rain shadow

But There’s a coast so might’ve been tropical idk

Unless that coast wasn’t always there

[lusty merlin]

i know the official sky account on twitter called golden wasteland as golden valley when discussing on making each realm, but that would imply gw elder is also known as the valley elder (unless they and twins joint ruled). i feel like it would take a very long time for a coast to appear out of nowhere too

[native shoal]

I was thinking more along the lines of rising sea levels causing the sea to flood a low area

[lusty merlin]

ah true, treasure reef is flooded so sea levels rose alot

and now that i think about it grassland wouldn't fit because that's another word for prairie apparently

[native shoal]

If the coastline was always there then it can be called the Golden Coast

[torn eagle]

Edited because I thought message got beaned

Lorechat discussed it here in the past

Joint ownership is a high posssibility as valley and wasteland also seems to be one area during the times the ancestors were alive

Proof being architectural designs of the areas are somewhat similar and at home theres a merged path that split into two going towards valley and wasteland portal respectively. Also the fact that the twitter account mentioned Golden Valley as you have said

One piece of ingame detail one theorist presented was that in structures (proof they got was a structure in the first area of wasteland) theres a symbol of three diamonds arranged in a pyramid/triangle formation and proposed that this may be the symbol of joint governance between Dusk and Sunset (with diamond on top being a symbol for Dusk and the two bottom diamonds being a symbol for Sunset)

In tomcepts there is concept art depicting architectural designs between upper and lower class citizens of the valley.. and it somehow matches the design of both areas with upper class being situated in Valley of Triumph and lower class being in Golden Wasteland

Sorry for ping and text wall XD

[torn eagle]

Also another note id like to make.. i think at this point everywhere in sky was lush and not barren like isle and wasteland post eden explosion

Maybe due to the elements from the trials? Alchemy? Light? A natural trait of the area? Idk but everywhere seems to be lush

Ig we just have to find out as more ingame lore is added or the animation is released

[novel echo]

i love thinking about society in sky

[copper saffron]

same

[novel echo]

it might be the worldbuilding lover part of me

[humble cairn]

laidback pioneer is actually a skilled warrior, probably a samurai, who hides their spear/naginata as an umbrella. this explains the mask with the scar and hair kinda short, not like the bun samurais have but close enough. AND YOU CAN’T TELL ME LAIDBACK ISN’T COOL

[sudden onyx]

I actually will be honest, I have the idea of like realm based weapons they can act as props but you need to finish the whole constellation to see it

For the Isle of Dawn is a staff
Costing: About 4000 Ascended Candles

Daylight Prairie is also a staff
Costing" same amount 4000

Hidden Forest is like a torch staff based
Costing" 5000

Valley of Triumph is 6000
Golden Wasteland is 7000
V.O.K(short form for Vault of Knowledge) 7000
And Eden is 8000

Also all uses AC

[noble lance]

Sounds believable, I'm in

[humble cairn]

Welcome to the Laidback Supreme Warrior Martial Arts Foundation

[sudden onyx]

But I think the cost of needing Ascended Candles for all of them are how much uhm someone calculate

[humble cairn]

Oh and btw edit on the theory the reason that laidback was late last time was because it was busy defending the realm of sky from… something…
Anyways more proof that laidback is the supreme warrior

[noble lance]

Sounds amazing

[outer hare]

Bobbit observation : skykid body glows blue once krillcat spell is cancelled

[copper saffron]

at about 20 ac a week, from eden and shards, it would take 4 years to get the cheapest one
this is rather unreasonable, wouldnt you say?

[sudden onyx]

I can see..well what you suggest?

[copper saffron]

depends on the functionality of it

[sudden onyx]

Hm

[ebon wind]

Hmm if the propss do not have a use then the price should be relatively cheaper than that of each respective elder mask. If they are given a use of some sort they should be relatively similar in pricing to the masks give or take a few ac depending on the usefulness of the prop as compared to the power of an elder mask.

I don't think any of them should be in the thousands at all as obtaining the props, I assume, would require unlocking the elders hair and possibly mask as well. So you'll have to consider the amount of time it would take just to complete 1 constellations elder hair mask and prop and see how reasonable it is.(this is probably why we haven't seen much other elder cosmetics in game, it's a lot to consider given elder cosmetics are rewards for completing a major milestone so they have to have some use and thus need to be more challenging to obtain.

[copper saffron]

yeah

[dusty skiff]

I have been confused about the blue and yellow spirts whats the difference between them?

[frigid tinsel]

Yellow or gold spirits have been ascended (by using ascended candles) while blue ones have not

[crude nova]

Blue is ones you havent touched or ascended yet while gold ones have ascended I think

Do you think like as a sky kid themselves they can choose to go home or stay in the ascended part of eden?
Since they willingly go to eden to perish does that mean they can choose to stay up there rather than come back?
I like to think abt it when it comes to ppl who stop playing the game

[compact shale]

There are certainly some people who think skykids can choose to stay or go

As for ancestors there are also people who believe they can go up and down on their own but I choose to believe Megabird has a permit they need to fill out because it's funnier

[tepid veldt]

fruitzie where is the form

[compact shale]

I have to dm the link to you lmao

[copper saffron]

Oh yeah i remember this XD

[upbeat rampart]

Hi people, I come to Sky after like, a year
Since when did this exist?

[compact shale]

It's a very recent feature! I believe it came on or right before the Season of AURORA update.

[upbeat rampart]

I see. I'll just check everything, it seems to have a bit of lore. Thanks!

For starters, the migration--very obvious from cutscene, but I think given it's DP, it makes complete sense from a lore standpoint as well. Once IoD turned to a sort of desert, DP was the next best place, prolly.

[frigid tinsel]

DP? IoD?

[lean kayak]

Isle of Dawn = IoD

Daylight Prairie

[lusty merlin]

It’s ok for the ping, i really like this! I remember noticing the same architecture when I was looking for evidence for another theory I was making. Maybe valley was the biggest out of all the realms

[cosmic slate]

Is aurora megabird or is she some sort of guide for us to go thru rebirth

[slim plume]

Not sure, the season hasn't given us much to work with for now. Her voice appears at the start of the game and when you're reborn, so she must have some connection to Orbit and Megabird, but I don't exactly know what that specific connection is

On an unrelated note, I'm actually listening to her sing right now, it's very relaxing and helped me finish off an entire chapter

[cosmic slate]

Listen to heathens one right now 🤣 it’s so hype

[lean kayak]

Sky has introduced me to Aurora's music and I absolutely love it

[slim plume]

I found her a bit before sky's season thanks to Runaway, but I'd become entranced with her other music too. I'm glad that others are discovering her and her music because of this funky little moth game

[deep osprey]

Is this darkstone? What did it power?

[deep osprey]

I think I can shed some light on that.
Look at the seasonal symbol
Personally, I think it looks like orbit. The birds and mantas all flying to the gate of rebirth.
Also, does anyone remember that concert teaser with those golden wings? Those wings look like the seasonal symbol too.

[formal oxide]

i think it might've been a part of the mining mechanism that was powered by light creatures. or it was used as a "lighthouse" light since it's large and outside

[deep osprey]

This pole probably guided the minecarts like how they guide the gondolas in the village of dreams.

Also for some reason, when I approach this spot, I hear the sound of a mural, but I see no mural.
Maybe a bug? It's been bothering me for quite a while because I don't know what the mural looks like.

Also what are these orange stones? Lights for when the place wasn't underwater? A weird form of darkstone? Or are they just decoration and I'm going crazy?

Also do we have any information on this eel creature? Why does it have the spirit texture? Is it a spirit of some sort too?

I think I killed lorechat with all of my questions

[craggy flare]

they got question overloaded 😭

[deep osprey]

Lorechat is deader than the spirits rn

[keen shore]

[Sorry for not much elaboration, kinda all over the place but I’m doing my best]

Off the top of my head, the diamonds are probably inset gold paint decorations, since they’re flat. They could have had darkstone in them at one point and the crystals themselves have been scavenged from the sockets like what we’re doing, but I’d guess they’re just painted to look like that, because I don’t know anything that darkstone in that area would help with.

As for the eel — I personally believe they’re spirits, yeah! I think we see more spirit fish in the final abyss quest, but since it’s not replayable, I couldn’t tell you for sure 😔 there is also a spirit manta when you first enter the reef that grants you diving powers

I feel like there was a mural there, I think it was the laboratory one, but nnhhhh I’m too tired to check and be sure

[frigid tinsel]

Spirit manta my beloved

You messed with lorechat so bad

[keen shore]

Dude I remember insisting this was a spirit manta so much during abyss, and people kept telling me that the cosmic mantas were spirit mantas actually, and then we saw spirit mantas during shattering after we freed them from shards and I felt so validated

Also the idea that it was like. The oceans spirit or something, I felt bad for trying to disprove that one because it was really cool but

[deep osprey]

I am very sorry for killing chat. Guess I had a lot of questions.

[keen shore]

Us being dead for short stretches of time is normal, this chat is a lot less active than the others. I’m grateful for it as they overwhelm me, but it can be weird to get used to

[pastel brook]

[deep osprey]

It was the hallway after the second krill that spins in a small room.

[atomic creek]

May somebody refresh my mind and refresh me with the main story of Sky?

[frigid tinsel]

hahahaha crying

[slim plume]

Moth goes to beeg mountain to die to funky float rock in the vague shape of a 3 dimensional rhombus

[keen shore]

The old civilization, along with the ancestor spirits we have to save, died long ago after a series of disasters leading up to the Eden Diamond exploding (like in shattering q6). we fall to save them from petrification & wake up the elders :3
A very basic overview

[frigid tinsel]

there's so mcuh, there's so much

[slim plume]

There are three types of people

[tepid veldt]

i cackled out loud

[slim plume]

Glad to hear! I love making "no thoughts, head empty" summaries like those

[keen shore]

If you want to get much more complex than what I mentioned, you’d either have to ask about a specific topic, go into theory territory, or both

[frigid tinsel]

there's just so much to Sky lore that every time someone comes in asking for the story of Sky, I weep

[slim plume]

It's an entire, fleshed-out world (as it should be) that has areas that are still vague and areas where it's less vague. There is practically 1% certainty on sky lore at this rate. Hell, even Megabird's existence gets put into question at times 😭

[frigid tinsel]

I should work on a tl;dr to copy+paste whenever this question is asked

[slim plume]

Honestly

[keen shore]

I don’t really see it as a negative, (saying that because it sometimes sounds like most ppl do) but it can be kind of hard to tell sometimes where the boundary between actual story and headcanon is

[slim plume]

I have a certain draw to media that I specifically can't understand in an attempt to try understand it. I adore games that don't spell out the full story to you, songs that use a slew of metaphors that seemingly don't go together, and so much more.

At the same time, too much vagueness can kill something for me. If I can't grasp at all what the game's theme is, or if the song conjures no interesting imagery, then I'll eventually just leave it. Sky's just about bordering this sense of boredom with its lore for me, I'd like to see a bit more confirmation on some things at the very least

[ebon raven]

if possible, can someone explain to me what Eden is or how it came to be such a disaster?

[frigid tinsel]

presumably Eden used to be a sacred site during the time of the ancestors due to an apparent connection with the Light, where light creatures and possibly ancestor spirits would ascend therefore continuing the light cycle. this strong connection to the Light may have been utilized to power the big Eden diamond. unfortunately said Eden diamond corrupted somehow, spewing darkness instead of light, and generating the Storm that further spread darkness throughout the world and turned Eden into the hellscape it is today.

yet this connection to the Light remains today since even petrified skykids can ascend there and light creatures still traverse the world toward Eden.

[atomic creek]

Thank you very much

[keen shore]

no worries! if you have any more questions fill free to ask :3

[atomic creek]

Wait, so that means, Ancestors are going to Eden after we save them?

[keen shore]

The elders ascend them from their temples, according to the intro text! Hence why we take them there.

[atomic creek]

Ok then.

So at Eden, we try to save petrified spirits, but we kinda fail, leading us to also petrify and die, only to reborn

[keen shore]

We’re saving petrified skykids at Eden, not spirits! Easy to confuse thouh :3

[atomic creek]

Mhm

And to end my questions, what's the meaning of the black and white skykid? Ying Yang? Good and evil?

And if those skykids make us reborn

[frigid tinsel]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[atomic creek]

Eh, the ending was beautiful, I have to say

[lusty merlin]

(Bout to get metaphorical)

I mean to me they do become whole when we begin to ascend, they’re opposite but they coexist, like light and darkness, and there can’t be darkness in light and there can’t be light with darkness, they balance each other out. If those two kids didn’t come into contact both would be stuck in that void forever. Like if we didn’t get rid of the shards the whole kingdom would be riddled with them, but since skykids help burn and keep the darkness at bay there’s a fragile balance to it

Idk if this makes sense I just woke up

And darkness was a vital role in sky, the dark stone era advanced sky’s civilization tremendously, but they used darkstone so much that it ending up possibly destroying whatever balance they had

[atomic creek]

What's darkstone?

[lusty merlin]

You know those things you light up to open doors, gondolas in village of dreams ect, even mello musicians gutair had a small diamond and possibly the eden diamond, that’s darkstone, it needs light to power up but it was definitely used to help advance technology in sky

while the name isn’t used in sky, a lot of us call it that since that seems to be the few concept art ideas that carried over to the actual game, and the name given for it was dark-stone which shows the same concept used ingame

And treasure reef heavily implies with the murals scattered around that it was a dark-stone factory, and mantas give light so they were definitely farmed for their light. But they obviously overproduced it and destroyed the any balance I mentioned before it was to late to fix it

[deep osprey]

right here yep

[tepid veldt]

quick, lorechat, pick any 4 spirits and how well they would do in mario party

[sharp lichen]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit I tried to make it as short as possible

[boreal nebula]

Disclaimer: despite my recent meme about "Bad Muralist, Bad" #sky-memes message
I don't actually think there is any evil in the Red Orbs used by the Nodding Muralist.

One of the interpretation of the red light is that, since it's found in dark places, it is an element/embodiment of Darkness.

What I actually think is that, since it is found in "tragic" places (like shipwreck and the Enchantment water cave), it could be more tied to places with a deep story. So I think it's more like an embodiment pathos, passion, and a moving story. After all a good stories have a certain emotional weight, and even the Muralist uses the red Light for a storytelling purpose.

[ebon wind]

Could be tied to emotion or memories. What are the other lights associated with again?

Anyway witht he red light another reason why people think its darkness is because red is associated with krills when the spot you as well as Eden. But if that holds up than cyan light has similar meaning due to the Colour of most darkstones, dark plants and krill that haven't detected anything.oooooo I've got a theory brewing now I'll have to write it down coz it's gonna get complicated (I have one theory that I'm always finding things to add on to so...)

Also my theory relies on red light being tied to emotion

[rustic glen]

What do the other lights presumably represent?

[ebon wind]

They seem to be elemental in some way as dark blue is associated with water, green with plants etc but some are quite vague
Cyan: wind(this one opens the sky in forgotten ark as well as starts moving the oars)
Green: plants(creates the grass in forgotten ark)
Orange:warmth,fire(the lamps light up and butterflies appear, spirits also leave)
Blue: water(purifies the water in forgotten ark)
Red:(the one we’re investigating) emotion, darkness or Hope?(creates the murals on the boat, or at least lights them up)
Purple:magic, secrets, memory?(creates the tents in ark)

The problem is purple light is vague and red light is supposedly darkness yet makes the murals glow which is the opposite of darkness.
Secrets are often “kept in the dark” and in darkness you will always find the light so maybe it’s the other way around?

unless it has a counterpart like light darkness is strange to place as an element. Also darkness is the absence of light so theoretically could never be represented as light as darkness would almost be merged into the element of light because without light there cannot be darkness and without darkness there cannot be light

[frigid tinsel]

Given the other lights control elements, I’ve taken it that red light can manipulate darkness. Likely the murals were always on the Ark, not spontaneously created then and there, but with the darkness of the Wasteland the light in the paint waned. So Nodding Muralist used red light to unveil what darkness had taken, their murals, restoring the light to the paint

[ebon wind]

So are you saying that the element of darkness is the element of light?

[frigid tinsel]

No, I’m saying the element of darkness is the element of darkness

[hushed steeple]

Darkness is simply the absence of light.

[ebon wind]

If you control where darkness is than you are technically controlling light

[frigid tinsel]

Irl darkness is the absence of light, yes, but in Sky darkness is a tangible force as much as light is a tangible force. They interact, have material forms, affect one another

[ebon wind]

If you move darkness in your pushing light away hence why the purple element isn’t light. Because darkness is light. Earth is opposite to wind. Water is opposite to fire except all of those can exist without the others unlike darkness and light which need t exist in orders for the other to exist. Hence we are left with the element of light and the element of magic or whatever purple is because magic could theoretically exist without light and light can definitely exist without magic

[frigid tinsel]

You can visibly see darkness swirling around, petrifying spirits and skykids, flakes of darkness shedding off krill and crabs as much as you can find orbs of light floating around, interact with light creatures, use flames to melt darkness plants

You’re assuming that there has to be elemental opposites when these six lights could merely be associated with six individual elements.

[ebon wind]

Well even if you take out the opposites my point still stands

They are opposites because they have opposing properties unlike light and dark which are opposites because one is the direct absence of the other

Either way water can exist without wind earth or fire, fire can exist without earth wind or water, earth can exist without fire water and wind, wind can exist without water earth and fire, all of them can exist with and without light. However darkness cannot exist with light

[frigid tinsel]

I’m saying that these elements are individual entities, their existence is not rooted in opposites. Where do we see green light opposing cyan light? Where do we see blue light opposing orange light? Nowhere, they are merely enitiies in it of themselves. This isn’t Avatar.

Likewise darkness and light are individual entities of themselves in Sky. You can have darkness without light and light without darkness in this world because they have material manifestations not dependent on the existence of the other.

[ebon wind]

All of the material manifestations of darkness have some light within them. Light is the form in which all memory, life and emotion takes within the world of sky hence every living thing somewhat emits light. When a living thing dies their life, memories and life leaves them and all that is left is a husk devoid of light, however this husk is what is known as dark stone and traps some of the light which we can see through reliving a memory. All dark creatures in sky are just light creatures that are evil and with less light than other creatures, always searching for light in an effort to survive. This does get into theory territory but all of it is heavily implied within the game

Some creatures leave other physical pieces behind that aren’t dark stone such as bone in some instances. Also some pure light creatures are completely drain and leave nothing behind(dark stone is the lingering memory of light left behind when a being dies, thus if all the light leaves for the stars then dark stone is not left behind)

I’m getting off topic again lol

[snow cosmos]

darkstone isn't the corpses of light creatures though? it's a mineral that can be found within the geology of the sky kingdom. that would exist with or without the presence of light. as Alasdair said, darkness in sky is a physical tangible thing, not just the state of being without light

[ebon wind]

Fossils,
the spirits themselves have a husk we light at the end of their memory that coincides with the same features of dull dark stone that glows like dark stone does when lit. Dark plants are also found in some bones. Again I started going off topic because I have a lot of ideas regarding the topic of light and darkness and they way it was used by the Ancestors.

[rigid mural]

Crab Whisperer

[ebon wind]

LOL

I’m saying that darkness (krill crabs plants and dark stone) is when light doesn’t fully leave it’s physical form and the leftovers seek out light in order to rebuild itself

Dark stone has less light in it than krill, crabs and plants hence its solid unmoving form but it will still take in light and because of its unfavourable shape in terms of living organisms will not be given life when given light( I think krills craps etc seek light but don’t actually have the ability to hold it within them due to their original forms becoming distorted hence why the seek out light but end up ejecting it anyway or being repelled/burned by it, perhaps because it’s not their original light)

[ebon raven]

sorry for the late reply but tysm!

[strange lion]

If you consider darkstone to be internally reflective it could have a lot of light while still appearing dark (personally I do consider it to be that way as I think that’d be the most effective way to store “light”)

[sharp shore]

they are called Tsadi but i just refer to them as the elder because i dunno how to read it

[gleaming fog]

Hey is the iss considered canon?

[frigid tinsel]

no

[gleaming fog]

Oof, it’s the only space-access place in the game that lets us return to the “ground” (a shallow ocean). Out in space you’ve got free light that just recharges your cape, but when you enter the atmosphere, that disappears, implying that something on planet (maybe the clouds or WL kids) is feeding on that energy.

The wind pushing you up might be the thing that keeps the megabird off planet (and forces us to ascend instead of just having the hive on-planet). There’s also the idea that it could’ve been the precursor to the crystal with the downward-facing cannon.

Really wish it was canon

[keen shore]

I’ve never thought about this 👀
My personal idea (I stole it from my friends…) is that elder of the wasteland is just what we called them, ancestors called them Dusk, & elders used the Hebrew names between each other. But if their only canon name is the one we see in game, I can totally see it changing…

It depends on what you think wasteland was called pre disaster. I know it was part of golden valley & I think it would’ve just been called that, but there’s already an elder of the valley…

[eternal totem]

The Other Elder of the Valley

[keen shore]

Dusk already has such middle child energy don’t make it worse

[eternal totem]

I Forgot Their Birthday Elder

[keen shore]

Their realm’s splash text is literally just saying the next realm is after theirs 💔💔

[raw crypt]

They purposefully made their realm look like that so they could have a cool name

[eternal totem]

I was going to suggest a name but, weh can't think of one

[keen shore]

I feel like Wasteland is kinda supposed to be a mirror of Prairie if it got really badly messed up (in terms of climate, environment, etc — like wasteland was also a prairie) so headcanon that before everuthing started going wrong everyone kept confusing them with Day

[keen shore]

Dude imagine getting your name stolen by your younger sibling I’d be mad too

[eternal totem]

Elder of the Gold... en Valley, of the Lowlands, of the Under... tale... Elder of the

[keen shore]

LOWLANDS IS GOOD ACTUALLY but it still kinda feels like an insult if you spin it the wrong way
although… that might fit

[eternal totem]

Yep

[untold notch]

elder(s?) of the Gilded Peaks
elder of the Golden Valley
idk

[frigid tinsel]

I call pre-wasteland Wasteland "the lower valleys" in fic which in hindsight is just oof

[keen shore]

CONFUSING THEM WITH DAY AGAIN 💔

[raw crypt]

elder of the marshlands/wetlands??.??:?: but that goes off the assumption of that being wastelands geography GNDBDBD

[frigid tinsel]

no wonder Dusk needs the most therapy out of the Elders

[untold notch]

that's not the emote I thought it was . oops

[keen shore]

this just gets worse the longer you think about it, I’m losing it

[eternal totem]

Marshlands sounds like marshmellows, awesome

[untold notch]

tsadi fell into a wet cardboard box all alone 💔

[raw crypt]

FACT ^

[eternal totem]

That's established

[keen shore]

it could also be elder of the desert tbf but it probably wasn’t always sandy there

[keen shore]

their realm is the wet cardboard box now 💔

[untold notch]

why is r5 prairie and r3 valley this is so very incorrect

[keen shore]

valley SWEEP
[coincidentally, a valley sweep is also the reason dusk is like that]

[untold notch]

r4 is forest too. are any of the constellation emojis numbered right

[frigid tinsel]

what if the ancestors knew the Elders not by their realm like skykids do but rather what the Elders presided over? so with the idea that Prairie used to an agricultural hub, maybe Day was known as Elder of the Farmers. I think Dusk presided over larger light creatures like whales, so they could've been known an Elder of the Shepherds.

[eternal totem]

The numbering is in reverse

[keen shore]

you could technically use a prairie synonym or adjacent realm like: grasslands, plains, savannah, but somehow this just makes the confusion with day worse

[keen shore]

This gets worse cause I can totally see elder of the shepherds being dawns title instead

[eternal totem]

Or from right to left, like in Hebrew

[untold notch]

so they're all numbered right just not the direction I'm used to them being

[eternal totem]

Hebrew & Arabic are written from right to left which is why they might break some unsupported websites

[keen shore]

I was gonna make a joke abt Dusk having to share their realm with their younger sibling, like sharing bedrooms, but then I remembered about golden valley… oh no

This really does get worse and worse the longer you think about it huh

[frigid tinsel]

I think Dawn would be more like Elder of the Pilgrims or Travellers given their whole migrant and ferryman epithet

[untold notch]

thinking about how I had a fun title for day but not dusk.... it just gets worse and worse

[raw crypt]

Dusk: I want a cool elder title, maybe elder of the grasslands?
Prairie: I think people may get confused—
Dusk: Well I shepherd whales and-
Isle: Well I shepherd creatures as well;
Dusk:

[keen shore]

THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS ENVISIONING IM IN TEARS

[raw crypt]

this is why the war happened btw

[untold notch]

tsadi heading into the vault after this meeting

[keen shore]

fun Sky fact: fainting warrior is well hidden to mirror the fact that Dusk is often overlooked and forgotten by the other elders, just like moths do to their spirit memory
They even have a name that doesn’t describe them at all, to hammer it in even further!

[frigid tinsel]

"Fainting" Warrior

[untold notch]

THIS IS SO SAD IM

[keen shore]

IM LAUGHING BUT ALSO I FEEL REALLY BAD
IT SOMEHOW GETS WORSE WITH EVERY NEW REALIZATION

[raw crypt]

Dusk: Hey how does The Elder of War sound
Vault:

[keen shore]

to be fair I would also be mad

[frigid tinsel]

Dusk: Elder of Fortress?
Sunset: mate, what do you think our citadel is for?

[keen shore]

I’m losing it

[round parrot]

Does Elder of Ruin or Elder of Sand work
Nvm Dawn fits "Elder of Sand" /j

[keen shore]

We’re talking specifically about their name pre-wasteland being a wasteland, so neither work

[raw crypt]

Dusk: We’ll we get a lot of intense weather being under the clouds- maybe elder of st-
The Chosen One appearing suddenly:

[round parrot]

Ah ok, thanks for the clarification

[keen shore]

HELP THIS IS CANON NOW

[untold notch]

dusk elder gets Mike wazowski'd

[keen shore]

they institute the time of day names after this to make dusk feel better but they have to pick a time of day randomly cause no one remembers when they fell

[frigid tinsel]

fun fact: dusk and sunset are synonyms

[round parrot]

Something has been making me question for a bit

If Golden Wasteland was meant to be a diamond factory, why did it need weapons (like spears, sheilds, turrets) were nessesary when Forest didn't really need it?

[raw crypt]

its so funny bc valley is (early) adulthood while wasteland is midlife crisis, doesnt even get a specific good timeframe just AGONY BAD TIMEFRAME megabirds and tgcs LEAST FAVOURITE CHILD

[keen shore]

You thought Isle was the most forgotten realm?? Think again

[raw crypt]

the midlife crisis refers to dusk not having a proper elder name

[keen shore]

the implication that their younger sibling stole theirs is killing me

[frigid tinsel]

I don't think it was necessarily that the power diamond factories had to be protected but rather something else in Wasteland that had to be protected. some speculate the Vault, some say Eden, I think it was both

[untold notch]

I'm trying to think of a name for tsadi and I just can't this is the worst

[keen shore]

maybe elder of the coastlands? cause the sea is right there

[untold notch]

elder of the beach episode

but isn't isle also surrounded by sea

[frigid tinsel]

prob wasn't always – see Switch release trailer

[keen shore]

I vote it always was against the sea cause of the boat in wayfarers memory, it just wasn’t always sandy
So yes, isle is on the coast too

I’m split between wanting to use this whole realization for mental character development for Dusk but also feeling bad because haven’t they gotten microwaved enough

[untold notch]

they're still intact. they can go further

[keen shore]

They’re barely intact, their statue has a massive crack down the middle

[untold notch]

barely doesn't mean they aren't

sorry what is happening to me why am I evil darkness skull

[keen shore]

it’s the wasteland effect

[untold notch]

I need to blorbify them so bad it won't fix anything at all but I still need to do it

[lusty merlin]

yes I was thinking something similar of what their actual name would be! plus treasure reef is out in the ocean

[keen shore]

recently realized that dusks cutscene theme is called two heroes (I previously mixed it up with the first area of wasteland’s theme which is called before a fall) and for a bit I was like? two of them? who’s the other hero?

then I realized it was us
they also consider us a hero
idk I just wanted to share

[lusty merlin]

Now I’m sad at this

[lusty merlin]

Considering they were stuck in a limbo with no other person for god knows how long I can see why they see us as a hero

And about the name thing, Golden Coastland(s) has a nice ring to it, maybe golden valley is a sub area up until the broken temple?

And I’m honestly surprised the other elders seem relatively “ok” for being stuck in limbo a good few hundred or maybe thousand years of solitude, like either their old enough where they’re used to time stretches like that or time moved differently in the pocket demisions. Or they did and just went through the five stages of grief a few times over if that makes sense, like the twins have each-other but the other elders have like nobody

[sharp shore]

yea i saw it on spotify and i was like wait whos the other one then it made sense that we were the hero

[sharp shore]

after the darkness took over everything a lot of time passed so maybe theyre just used to it
are you saying theyre in limbo because they couldnt go to orbit?

[keen shore]

I honestly prefer the idea they were unconscious for most of the time, especially with the intro text about waking up the elders
i would assume lighting their candles initially gave them enough light to wake up (I actually have a really complex internal idea on how this works but I’m trying to stick to ingame stuff)

[sharp shore]

so like coma

[keen shore]

yeah!

[lusty merlin]

Yeah that’s definitely a more merciful fate, I feel like being conscious for that long would just not be healthy

[sharp shore]

i just feel so bad for them because theyre immortal
i would not tolerate being tormented by grief for eternity hell no

[lusty merlin]

Somwhat? To me when we complete their constellation maybe they have enough power to ascend to orbit?

[sharp shore]

light power would have made that possible
our light

if you look at how we give light and cosmetics we have a heart shaped glow on the candle, indicating friendliness/love

so we're basically giving the elders our love AWWW MAN THAT SOUNDED HU2IFD

[lusty merlin]

YEAH😭😭😭

[sharp shore]

if my skykid loves them i love them
even mean forest elder

[compact shale]

Skykid loves elder and I love skykid
So vicariously I love elder /j

[keen shore]

Based on quest completion and all, our skykid considers all the spirits their friends as well :3

[sharp shore]

i wonder if the elders thought of themselves as friends before

[lusty merlin]

With our skykids?

[sharp shore]

amongst each other
they seem overall kind of tense so i feel like they all have damaged relationships

[keen shore]

I imagine they consider each other as siblings :3

[lusty merlin]

Ohh to me they’re found family, but I think when they see eachother in vault they slowly mend their relationships with one another, I feel during the kingdoms collapse things got tense between them

[sharp shore]

i just know that forest and vault elders are biologically (is that the right word...) related, dunno about the others
valley are twins so definitely siblings

[lusty merlin]

Oo that’s cool!

[sharp shore]

wait i dont think its biological i just know theyre related somehow

[lusty merlin]

Like in my hc all the other elders sees the twins as their kids because they’re the youngest , excpet dawn i see them treating the other elders as their kids, even with dusk I still see them remarking how much they’ve grown

[frigid tinsel]

I think whatever issues they had during the kingdom's reign they put on the backburner in order to deal with the new issue of being trapped in pocket dimensions, all the ancestors dead, and skykids running about. it's a new era, new problems to fret over.

of course, simply putting those issues aside to work together doesn't resolve the emotional damage they caused each other, but cooperating could've mended those grudges and hurt feelings.

[sharp shore]

the elders just seem like my irl friends
theres the one giving sound elderly advice, the sleepyhead, the constantly angry one, a couple obnoxious ones, the super tall one, and the other sleepy one

except i dont see them as being very friendly to each other
maybe amicable but they seem kind of uh... stiff?

[lusty merlin]

Ah true, the sky-kids are a whole different era, plus maybe they could only see another for a short while in vaults cutscene because they’re summoned back to their temples when more sky-kids come along. So now that I think about with little time they had together is brief

[sharp shore]

the elders are so incredibly human for being 3d humanoid game objects

[lusty merlin]

Fair enough, honestly until we see more cutscenes of content of them,(if ever) we don’t know if their relationships were more like colleges, friends, or even familial

[sharp shore]

speaking of elders, how do you think vault got all those scratches

[frigid tinsel]

you might be referencing a quip from an early dev Q&A livestream and one question asked why Rain and Night's masks were similar. I don't remember the exact quote, but the response is that those two were "related" or had some connection. now that's been taken to mean biologically related, romantically involved (shippers amiright), or colleagues.

the first and second would really depend on your interpretation of how Elders came about, the latter however I think makes the most sense considering Rain seems to have had something to deal with power diamond & darkstone technology's creation while the Vault is very power diamond reliant

[lusty merlin]

I saw someone ones draw those pointy things we light up in vault fell on them but it could depend, I don’t think it was a krill because they would show a lot more damagethen

[sharp shore]

very useful info thank you

[keen shore]

considering nights whole theme of discovery and rains whole theme of creating things I can see them workjojg together a lot even without dakessrone involved :3

[sharp shore]

from what ive been subjected to (cough careless GW behavior ) the krills do a swooping motion and literally lift your body off the ground and sends you flying and doing somersaults midair

it couldmake sense, but i think it was a disease

[lusty merlin]

to me I do see rain being the main power diamond producer, more of a supplier than a buyer and user, but they use power diamonds is needed. The state of their realm would definitely reflect that

[keen shore]

i like to imagine it was a completely ridicukous lab accident they are too embarrassed to talk about
real answer? probably shattering q6

[lusty merlin]

Lab accident would work, but yeah maybe shattering if we remembered how their face was just completely gone

[sharp shore]

its truly sad those scratches wouldve been serious if they lasted for that long

[keen shore]

it also kinda reminds me of the darkness plant mask but idk if there’s any connection there

[frigid tinsel]

it's been brought up that the damage on Night's mask is reminiscent of the damage on the dark plant mask from Season of Shattering. perhaps a hint that Night had darkness plants growing on them at some point?

I've been running with the idea that Night's mask was damaged by corrupted darkstone to the face, not from the Eden calamity depicted in Shattering quest 6 but rather a prototype of the Eden diamond they had to test what was or what could've been going wrong with the Eden diamond. that's how the Elders knew that they had to gather and do something about the corrupting Eden diamond.

[sharp shore]

so poor lamed got hit in the face with a dangerous diamond and the rest of them went unscathed 😭 i havent done shattering q6 but i could check yt for it

[lusty merlin]

Oo yeah! That would definitely explain it, and that’s why we wear safety googles masks aren’t enough

[frigid tinsel]

I don't think glass will save you from flying shards of corrupted darkstone in the face

[sharp shore]

vault elder is the reason why u need goggles
LAB SAFETY !

[lusty merlin]

Fair enough

[sharp shore]

god this game just reminds me that politics is exhausting
the management of destructive power, depression, etc

[lusty merlin]

Ohh and do you think the elders models in shattering q6 are cannon or just re used, like if their cannon then maybe the elders that got affected had some magic to mend their faces a little, maybe dawn being more vurnuble to darkstone/power diamond had more of a weakness to it. Idk I’m kinda reaching here

Like I saw someone say those models are re used but idk if it’s a fact

[sharp shore]

we have the ability to see flashbacks so i think we got a symbolized form of their turmoil
i dont personally think the elders actually got hurt in that quest

[keen shore]

I think they’re canon! I don’t know why they couldn’t be reused and canon. I just think Dawn & Night were the closest and got hurt the most

[sharp shore]

OHH RIGHT DALETH GOT INJURED BADLY.

3/4 of the face was nonexistent 💀

[frigid tinsel]

all but Rain's seem reused and resized from the Eden OOB in Lights Awaits. I heard that during the first beta build of that frozen memory Rain was not present but was added later and their model looks the most in-tact, so I'd say Rain's was reconstructed

[lusty merlin]

legit Puzzle pieces😭

[sharp shore]

what did teth look like in that quest wait nvm i didnt read light awaits

[lusty merlin]

Oo are there any videos or photos of it, I’m kinda curious now

[sharp shore]

you could check youtube

[frigid tinsel]

give me a minute.
here: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[keen shore]

forgotten and added later? dusk behavior

[lusty merlin]

OO TY

huh wow the diamond is blue here

[sharp shore]

jeez they looked petrified as in literally stone

[round parrot]

Perhaps, like the other petrified spirits, the bodies of the elders there are actually their petrified corpse? Just a little thought

[uncut pond]

I see that y'all are talking about elders so I want to mention something I find interesting about prophecy murals

In the first picture, One seems to be giving the prophecy lights to the ancestors, without there being any elders on sight (The elders also don't seem to appear in the previous mural either, hmm...)

In the second picture, arguably after One gave lights to the ancestors, we see for the first time in these murals the elders, and they're using the colored lights... Is there a chance that not only the power of the elders but the elders themselves come from the colored lights? Think of it like, the lights given to the ancestors gave them the power to manifest the elders, who are kinda like incarnations of the collective population of their kingdom and also the stars that fell
Maybe the stars weren't always there, and they didn't come into existence until ancestors manifested their elders and therefore their constellations

[copper saffron]

tbh this does beg the question of what exactly these lights did, are they derived from the Light? or are they something else?

note that the aurora spirits also seem to have the same lights,

but enchantment has 2 extra ones, red and purple
perhaps they're synthetic?

[uncut pond]

I like to believe they're all natural, and they manifest whenever either an individual or a group displays certain virtues (this is for prophecy lights specifically)

[copper saffron]

hmm i agree with that. i was referring to the red and purple lights, which arent part of the prophecy ones

[ebon wind]

Yeah the purple isn't exactly clear on what it does and when the spirits use the purple light it creates man-made structures. And the red one is just confusing because it's found in darkness but it doesn't correlate to darkness very well

And darkness is associated with artificiality in sky too. And the purple light is found in an artificial environment

[copper saffron]

i think purple is associated with memory, which seems to be a more darkness-aligned trait.

[ebon wind]

Yeah

The tip for the quest says something about hoarding secrets in regards to the purple light and secrets are kept in thedark

[agile sable]

Why do the crabs keep hitting us after our light goes out? I thought our light was the reason we are targeted.

[boreal nebula]

The famous mural bug which made Lorechat go bananas for the King Overthrown Theory (around before and the first weeks of SoProphecy).

Needless to say the original mural in Jellyfish Cave was corrected (and oddly resemble the face of who wished that theory to be true 😭 )

Maybe this is more a Lorechat inside joke than a #sky-memes material

[boreal nebula]

That is a good observation. How does the power of the 4 Elements ties with the Elders..?

But I think the Elders were there even before the Prophecy of the Trials was fullfilled. There is a taller person with the horns/boat mask on the first mural inside of Cave of Prophecies who points to the clouds/stairs of the Cave

[boreal nebula]

More than synthetic I think they might be... More abstract than the usual 4 elements (fire water air and earth)

I think Purple is linked to the Archive not because it is secret and might be somehow "shady" or "dark", but because there is lot of ideas and concepts stored there. In my POV I think Purple is the embodiment of Mind and Imagination, with it manmade objects can appear.

Then there is Red Light, which could be a bit odd or counter intuitive to think of it as an embodiment of Darkness (since it's a light and that always seemed a bit paradoxal to me).
I rather believe that it is found in darkest places (Shipwreck and Enchantment Water Cave) cause those are two of the "darkest" place of two stories. There is lots of pathos and passion in a place where many lives were shocked by an unexpected twist. I realized this cause the Red Orbs is given to the Nodding Muralist themselves , which used in order to tell us, or rather reveal, Enchatment story (which was erased by time)

A story would be plain if it was just "we travelled from A to B" + "everything went as planed". A good story needs "a crash landing" + "the end of our water reserves" to be impactful. This kind of twists plant the roots in our attention as readers/spectators

[upper prism]

Lore behind this rock?

[boreal nebula]

Red could be Pathos like passion ❤️ , fear 💓 , anger 😡 and also embarrassment , all good elements in the unraveling of a plot during the storytelling

And to end my point of the Red Light , if all others realms we could see a link to the 6 Orbs/Elements and to who they were bestowed (Fire/Orange to Wasteland, Air/Teal to Valley, Water/Blur to Forest, Earth/Green to Prairie and Mind/Purple to Vault)

So the only missing link could be Red. I think there could be two way of seeing why it is the most suitable Realm.

A) it is the most storytelling place, where we first met the introduction to the game with many murals and where we "hear" a voice calling to us.
B) to link with the red to darkness, controlling it and unravel it as Muralist cleared/revealed the mural, it's especially at Dawn that the darkness are dissipated to start a brand new day

[copper saffron]

eden?

[boreal nebula]

Eden could also be, but if back then the power of red was bestowed upon a realm, I think there could be more uses as the Muralist displayed. Meanwhile the pathos, for now, in Eden is all on us, on our own story and peril to climb it.

I see no actual Ancestors use of red light there. All is gone wild there. And even if maybe there was an ambundance use of red power in Eden and this was one of the orb with the more potential (since it could also be disruptive) why does the Muralist only used it for revealing murals?

[crude nova]

Ima pretend I understand whats going on rn

[boreal nebula]

My bad if I wasn't clear 😅

[crude nova]

Oh no worries sorry I just randomly dropped by and my brains to mushy to understand

[boreal nebula]

Plus I think it also fits how, if you pictures the 7 Realms as a day cycle, after the Storm/Stormy Night there is always the clearing, and Dawn is the clearing.

It's sort of a way to see those two realms... tied together. Like you cannot se a rainbow without having passed through rain ||irl, of course... In game it's always there even far from rains xD||

[boreal nebula]

Plus I need to point out if red was linked to just darkness, how could you explain that in game red is used also in not dark related things, like red candles around the world and our own red candle?

My answer is: 😁 ||pathos, pation, emotions ||

[copper saffron]

muralist was very passionate

[solar bane]

Lore chat I just realized something about the aurora spirits
Their colors is like the elements in prophecy
Running wayfarer story has kind of water in her story
The fact mindful miner is a MINER base on their name then it connects with the earth element color

[pastel brook]

just reach out for The Light

[solar bane]

If warrior of love has some kind of air thingy in her story quest then it connects to the elements but we shall wait and see

[frigid tinsel]

We still have winged light even if our flame is extinguished.

[boreal nebula]

You train of thought is correct. At least with krills I spotted how you not get their attention even if under their blue spotlight in one occasion. If you already lost a winged light and in black mode you can either have two "stage", depending on your "diamond" (I mean the one that breajs when the WL is beyond saving).
If the diamond is empty they cannot see you, but if it self recharges (even if you dont regain enough light to return in light mode) you became an unlit sky kid ready to be spotted again.

I have never tried, but I think crabs don't act like krills in this case, thus two of them could headbut you even one after the other.

[boreal nebula]

That's exactly what I hope for, to see the way all the 4 Elements fit inside SoAurora

[eternal totem]

Look at each corresponding color closely

[solar bane]

dark blue - wateh
gren - earth
cyan - air
orange - fire

Season of prophecy the musical

[slim plume]

Featuring Megabird as AURORA /hj

[keen shore]

I’ve been poking around with an idea similar to this. notice that there’s two people in the cyan light boat,
I didn’t think of your idea and I 👀 at it, I’ll have to think about it a bit more but this sounds really interesting

[sharp lichen]

I like to believe they came from the powers of the Prophets themselves. Their power to see into the future created red light, the power of concealment (remember that murals in the Prophecy Cave get slowly revealed) and Purple Light, the power of mind (somewhat self-explanatory)

[sharp lichen]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit Maybe this can help you?

[keen shore]

new theory just dropped: the Aurora spirits are the prophets’ vocaloid sonas

[copper saffron]

LMAO
i accept this one

[native shoal]

Yeah I’ll accept that lol

[untold notch]

prophet utauloids...

[slim plume]

What does that make AURORA, the Eden King's vocaloid-? Wasn't the "Void of Shattering" as their fursona not enough????

Waiwaitwait, AURORA's Megabird's humansona, dodged a bullet on that one

[pastel brook]

all my krills, greeting me here as a friend I'm home, waiting for time to let go...

[slim plume]

Okay Skybot

[scenic siren]

Do sky kids grow mentally? They are basically immortal, after a few hundred years pass by, will they become little flying grannies?

[slim plume]

Pretty sure the rebirth cycle stops skykids from growing both physically, but I'm not really too sure about mentally. I assume that after all rebirth, they'll still remember their past life/lives so... perhaps? Though I think personally that their mental capacity is capped off at teen years and/or young adult in human age

I don't really have an explanation as to why, I kinda just think that so it's a little headcanon

[sharp shore]

thats kind of sad though, imagine not being able to ever grow

[upper prism]

Whos the one were hugging before ascending, is it the king whos „nowhere to be found“

[sharp shore]

i assumed its our body and soul reuniting but idk

[upper prism]

Hmmm but both react like strangers

[sharp shore]

maybe just surprise that theyre separate
the body and soul become separate after death ig

[slate saffron]

Little gay people on me phone can ye provide some lore for this all saints day?

[slim plume]

Most skykids to me wouldn't really have to grow. They live in a dead kingdom with only each other for company and that'd really stunt any emotional growth since there's nothing to grow from. Although saying that, most of my sky ocs act older because of the buttloads of trauma I've shoved onto them so-

[upper prism]

What kind of greeting is this

[slim plume]

A very true one

[sharp shore]

maybe im doing over anthropomorphism of the skids
damn this kingdom is really messed up

[upper prism]

I mean skykids are able to grow with Growth spells

[slim plume]

Physically yes, but not mentally

[sharp shore]

but are they really going from child to adult
probably not

[slate saffron]

You heard what I said, are ya' gonna give me lore or not? >:(

[upper prism]

The spell states were turning into an adult

[sharp shore]

mentally?

[slim plume]

Again, only physically. I suppose it's up to the player if they do grow mentally, but personally I don't really think so

[sharp shore]

me neither

[upper prism]

Wdym mentally how should we know this

[sharp shore]

the game makes our skykid act in very childlike ways consistently
mimicking older people's actions (ancestors), putting trust in those ancestors (via completing those trees), making other friends their "age" (the entire game mechanic is social so you kind of have to at least mingle with one skykid)

[upper prism]

They express themselves with these actions, we never saw an ancestor talking. They show us messages with movement. Theres only other skykids left now ofc were befriending them and i also think our skykids are pretty brave. Trespassing a realm full of hostile creatures (golden wasteland) and sacrifice ourself to save others (eye of eden)

[sharp shore]

ok

[upper prism]

Also wasnt the king a skychild too?

[sharp shore]

who the hell knows

[upper prism]

The murals in the prophecy cave

[sharp shore]

ok

sorry if my messages are bland im doing homework rn

[upper prism]

Yk im not trying to force you into believing what im saying

[sharp shore]

yeah i know what makes you think that

[upper prism]

felt like you kinda didnt care lol but i understand now cuz youre doing hw

[scenic siren]

Am I the only one imagine the king as a very buff walking winged light

[sharp lichen]

We don’t know exactly

[boreal nebula]

🎶

[frigid tinsel]

I don't think skykids can grow physically, but they could mature mentally due to their experiences rather than overtime as humans do. trauma can really accelerate emotional progress but that's not always a given since they're children and, of course, experiences vary. so you could have skykids that continue to act as young children when they're years old versus skykids who may be only months old acting as teenagers, all dependent on what they had gone through and their baseline mental constitution

[final sorrel]

A friend and I talked about the room on vault's second floor and I mentioned how the table is taller than the adults, so it probably was made for the elders, and also how there was only 6 chairs so King/Eden wasn't part of the reunions.
Also they probably got into an argument and one of the elders stood up fast so that's why one of the chairs is knocked down, maybe forest elder?

[eternal totem]

That room is too small to fit the Elders though, why a conference room would be so easily accessible?

[keen shore]

I think they threw the chairs at each other like a pillow fight personally I think it’d be funny

[eternal totem]

I want to destroy that table

I know we use it as a comically large chat bench, but it could have had a different use

[keen shore]

I really like stomping on it, I can hear really loud yelling from beneath me when I do

[eternal totem]

No way the Queen!

[frigid tinsel]

Relevant fic excerpt

[final sorrel]

Maybe only some people were allowed in vault of knowledge? The ancient spirits have a different attire then the ones from other realms, kinda like an uniform
Now that everyone is, well, dead, there's no one guarding the entrance to the vualt

[keen shore]

but yeah on a serious note that table is really weird. It’s too large for spirits but not large enough for elders (unless you believe they can change their size which is fair). plus there’s only six seats meaning, at any given time, four of them would have to double up and share their seats with someone else

which is a really funny mental image but impractical in actuality

who do you think would be selected to share their seats and why

[quick jasper]

probably the twins if we're being real here, but i think it's funnier if dusk had to share with only one of the twins

[keen shore]

I mean if the conversation we had last night held true, Dusk would totally be one of them

[hushed steeple]

Random fun stuff

[keen shore]

Hey, do you mind not flooding the chat with images on top of an already existing conversation? thank you

[shrewd mango]

I think as of now we're still unsure? Although the most popular theories probably is

The prince is a skykid then got corrupted then turned into the king? So uhh- Corrupted skykid? Still a skykid??

[keen shore]

The corruption part doesn’t have any evidence behind it, people just assume it’s canon for some reason
It’s not really a theory

[sage isle]

whats sky kids Canonical weight

[shrewd mango]

Tbh- True I'm a resh believer (/hj) so that's actually one of the few hopes I still have that resh might not be actually evil (as there also wasn't any solid proof that he was evil)

[sage isle]

imagine if we get a season where we meet the king

or atleast a spirit of the king

[shrewd mango]

That would be awesome tbh
Would he even have a spirit if he is a skid? 🤔

Oh wait nvm I forgot skids could become the spirit thingy at Pnr

[sage isle]

and quick question, do we know how much sky kids weigh

[shrewd mango]

Uhhh for me idk idk about the others though

[keen shore]

we do not 😔 they’re probably a lot lighter than humans proportionally though, as they’re hollow! If that helps

[sage isle]

I know someone did the math, but I can't remember

[keen shore]

We do have math for their height but I’m kinda waffly on believing it’s accurate. I don’t think we have math for their weight, as it would be really hard to achieve and would rely on a lot of assumptions.

[sage isle]

I guess I hallucinated it..

[keen shore]

You might have just confused it with the height math, nbd
It’s entirely possible also that there could be weight math and I just don’t know about it, although I don’t really care to find out as it would probably be super inaccurate anyways

[shrewd mango]

Agree, since I think there's still a debate aka we're still unsure what they were made of. Some believe skykids are made of wax while some believe they were made by clays or charcoal, and just by that the weights could already differ

[keen shore]

Yeah! Also you’d have to assume things like thickness of the shell, its purity (aka if it’s made up of only one material or not) and it would be really hard to find the volume of such an irregular shape in general

also you’d have to either assume their inner light & candle don’t weigh anything or just make up a number for them

[upper prism]

Hmmm our cape is made of light so I guess it doesnt got weight. Our mask looks like carved stone or something I guess its pretty heavy maybe like.... 5 Gramm!

[sage isle]

but, we can fly...
loud dial up noises

[shrewd mango]

By that concept, if skids do have light as their "blood" would it weight or nah

[native shoal]

We tried to figure that out once, after a solid 3 days of math the results were inconclusive

[keen shore]

Since our mask disappears when we’re extinguished, it’s entirely possible it’s just made of projected light, so saying it’s not would be yet another assumption … 😔

[sage isle]

3 DAYS?! dang..

[upper prism]

You ever Tried Holding a piece of light?

[keen shore]

yeah, the results being inconclusive sounds about right. It just seems like a lot of not very accurate math for a relatively useless result tbh

[upper prism]

Our cape doesn't got a shadow
Why is the cooldown so long ugh

[native shoal]

We were trying to calculate the gravity, timing fall speeds and diving speeds to find air resistance but we couldn’t find anything and it seemingly varied across levels

[shrewd mango]

That's my point 😭, I mean would that weight somehow or do we get just the weight of the "shell"

[sage isle]

I could've sworn someone did the math with an umbrella????

[upper prism]

Try again with the cat yeeting us

[sage isle]

I feel like such a smooth brain person atm..

[upper prism]

Me after every class of math

[still star]

Where did the crabs and darkness plants come from

[native shoal]

A discussion that I am proud to say that I sparked

[shrewd mango]

Based on what they said they did with the air resistance, I think there's no change on how you fly with an umbrella-?

[still star]

Like are the dark plants mold or something?

[native shoal]

Not gravity the best we could do is velocity I think

[sage isle]

I feel like the stupidest people in this server

[keen shore]

I looked up mentions of weight in this channel and couldn’t find anything, if that helps

[upper prism]

I guess the crabs are normal light creatures with a thick shell which got corrupted by darkness. The crabs we free at the graveyard seem friendly and show no signs of darkness

Correct me if I'm wrong

[still star]

So basically the darkness is sort of like a mold and the krebs used to be light creatures before being corrupted by the mold and now they’re sort of brainwashed which is why they attack us?

[keen shore]

I think the closest thing to an irl equivalent for darkness plants is mushrooms! Specifically their tendency to grow on decaying things (ie decaying light) and use their nutrients for them

[shrewd mango]

Nah don't worry! Some of us has different variation of how deep we know from the lore! Some people here can even come just to ask questions without knowing any lore at all! ^^ we all begin from something

[sage isle]

[still star]

You mean feed on decaying things?

[sage isle]

alrighty...thank y'all

[still star]

And what about the krills?

[shrewd mango]

Lmao imagine if the reason they're friendly is because they got exposed of the fire and destroyed the darkness that was covering them

Jk jk... Unless 👁️👁️

[keen shore]

….I could see that actually
That’s actually a really good connection, I didn’t catch that before

[upper prism]

Maybe they just tried to save the crabs and not cook them... (After piercing trough their body with a large stick)

[shrewd mango]

Thay was supposed to be a joke but now I also see it 💀

Imagine if tgc adds a function that if you put a kreb to a fire they'll become friendly, if this were to happen then my joke theory of why the crabs in graveyard are friendly would be true hsjzhahah

[still star]

Because in || the office, when you burn the darkness in the toilet, || a krill emerges from it

[slim plume]

You don't need to spoiler things btw! Lore discussion spoilers /nm

[still star]

oh right right my bad

[upper prism]

I think we don't need to spoilertag stuff at all anymore

[shrewd mango]

The power lore chat hold

Also as Six said, I think we don't have to spoiler tag Oreo, Office, and Pnr and orbit anymore

[upper prism]

I wish we had pet banana in sky it would proof so much lore I made theories about

[shrewd mango]

I- I'm actually curious lmao-

[slim plume]

Yeah, it was announced in the news channel that since the game's been out for a while that we can stop spoilering stuff like Office, Eden, the Switch Area, etc.

[upper prism]

Are there theories about the last rememberance ( elders getting yeeted)

[still star]

what’s that?

[shrewd mango]

Out if context but like- these pictures remind me so much of journey oml

I'll delete this message if its considered as flooding just tell me ^^

[upper prism]

It's one of the memories we visited after clearing a red shard

[shrewd mango]

Yep probably, the moment that memory dropped 🤔

[still star]

wait so the elders were thrown somewhere? or am I misunderstanding it

[upper prism]

I don't wanna spoiler it to you if you didn't visit that place yet