lore-discussion-spoilers

[rigid mural]

The only one that's correct about spirits is Slink with their spirit nonbinary flag

[keen shore]

YAIWWODODJAODJF
Me whenever I see someone gender a spirit /j

[eternal totem]

ME

[sharp lichen]

Correct being “canon” in this case.

EXCEPT SUNGLASSES I WILL NEVER FORGIVE TGC FOR THAT VIVA LE REVOLUTION

[keen shore]

So many times I see people take prophecy and go. Oh yeah these EVIL people live in a cave and FORCE people into murder trials and I don’t get it. Have you seen fire prophet like at all. I could die on this hill and the sheer satisfaction of it would bring me back to life

[sharp lichen]

WHO SAID THE PROPHETS ARE EVIL TAKE ME TO THEM

[fickle wing]

prophecy gang is all best friends adn they have pizza night every friday

[rigid mural]

Fire prophet is a theater kid change my mind

[keen shore]

I headcanon the whole prophecy guide is their kid idea so hard that I forget it isn’t confirmed canon

[fickle wing]

i know for a fact they put their 100% all into prophecys plays when they gotta act em out w the other prophets

[keen shore]

They’re the one who started the tradition change my mind

[eternal totem]

Enchantment is commonly interpreted as jaded/cynical/withdrawn & it genuinely contradicts the entire theme of the season

[keen shore]

WHAT, I’ve never actually seen them depicted (which is equally sad) and your description caught me off guard

[eternal totem]

Mostly in fanart & in some interesting pieces of work

[frigid tinsel]

same ire as whenever I see Crab Whisperer depicted as a flirt

[untold notch]

where was the elder bird jacket?

[eternal totem]

Honestly that's what I initially thought until DoB proved me wrong, not sure what I was thinking as a moth

[round parrot]

||Off topic headcanon: Each and every Skykid flame is unique ||

[south oracle]

Additionally, when you see your friends in orbit, your skid identifies their friends by flame

[keen shore]

Most of my interpretations of… I want to say pre flight? When was it that the hugs got added to the older seasonal guide trees? guides are that they’re on the shy side because they didn’t offer us any kind of high fives etc, I’m trying to shake that

[eternal totem]

October of last year

[rigid mural]

Who looks at Crab Whisperer and sees a flirt, they're knee-deep in dark mud and crabs digging for loot and survivors in a shipwreck

[keen shore]

YEAHHH!! Assembly being the exception obv because we got a lot of high fives from them

[frigid tinsel]

Abyss guide doesn't offer any interactions at up, they're prob a stickler

[rigid mural]

They're social distancing

[eternal totem]

Feels like they'll toss me

[hushed steeple]

I have HC for most if not all the spirits (over 100)

WHO WANTS TO HEAR THEM!!

Just give me a name

[keen shore]

Not right now, would prefer to stay on current topic if that’s ok! Although individual ones are fine just not all at once

[hushed steeple]

no not all at once that would break my computer

[eternal totem]

That's a lot, wowza, I don't even have the courage to bring up 1 (one)

[white junco]

how many spirits r there

[frigid tinsel]

just no text walls that'll eat the conversation happening rn

[keen shore]

Dark Imagine me holding you at gunpoint. Ok. Give me your Enchantment headcanons right now

[hushed steeple]

over 100 (about 115) overall

[eternal totem]

4 maybe

[rigid mural]

At least 3

[fickle wing]

many

[white junco]

soooo true

[hushed steeple]

may i share Lady Bloom's HC?

[keen shore]

Why ‘lady?’

[eternal totem]

Woah woah you wouldn't pull the trigger would you I'm just a little guy a little birthday boy

[white junco]

HSHDHSHDHSHDH

[eternal totem]

Oh look my battery's dying, toddles

[hushed steeple]

To preface: The Ancestor Spirits are people chosen and appointed by the Elders to represent their family/group. Those who are chosen earn the title “Sir” or “Lady” depending on gender. To be chosen is an extreme honor as it is very exclusive in nature. If there is ever an instance where the appointed is too young for the task, their primary legal guardian will step in until they reach 18 years of age.

[frigid tinsel]

nobody in Sky has a gender, that's literally canon

[keen shore]

Oh no! I meant, why the gendered term?

[rigid mural]

Shaking Dark by the scruff of the neck so their hc fall ou- HEY DON'T FLEE FROM ME

[hushed steeple]

hence the fact that is HCs

[white junco]

i have a question. why

[hushed steeple]

why what?

[frigid tinsel]

sigh. this is about Undertale but the point still stands

[hushed steeple]

I have nonbinary hcs for some of the spirits

the Bloom Guide is not one of them

[white junco]

but they’re all nonbinary. the “why” was why do you want to headcanon canon nonbinary characters as cis

[frigid tinsel]

but all the spirits, every single character in Sky, is agender. nonbinary rep is rare as it is, why take that away?

[round parrot]

||Iirc, the gender of spirits can be up to your interpretation||

[hushed steeple]

i kinda feel attacked for taking characters of a game that we know admittedly very little about and adding a narrative to them

all because of gender

[fickle wing]

gender is already over as of august 29 sorry y’all

[frigid tinsel]

devs: everyone in Sky is genderless.
dolts: so that means we can give them gender?
enbies: nobody in Sky has a gender.
dolts: so we can give them gender, yea?

[hushed steeple]

So you are calling me an idiot?

[frigid tinsel]

I didn't say that

[hushed steeple]

I can tell when I am not wanted

I bid you goodbye

||All i wanted was to share my interpretations of lore and their characters and how they all play a role but guess that's not happening||

[rigid mural]

could we stop having this argument everytime someone genders spirits, im tired of "neither" being interpreted as "either" with nonbinary identities

[frigid tinsel]

agender ≠ gender up to interpretation.

[keen shore]

Thank you, as an agender person it can be really frustrating having the same dance 83 times

[frigid tinsel]

if your interpretations of the lore and characters violate canon and are nbphobic then they're not welcomed because it makes the nonbinary people here feel unwelcomed.

[hushed steeple]

Before I go wallow in sadness and guilt, i'd like to formally apologize to everyone I insulted,

[fickle wing]

homie you don’t gotta take a shot at guilt tripping the door is wide open

[rigid mural]

We always look like the aggressors when someone digs their heels in about gendering spirits according to their clothes, it's exhausting.

Alex should have put "abandon all cisnormative views ye who enter here" instead of the tinfoil emote

[hushed steeple]

Why do I even try to defend myself

[frigid tinsel]

if your defense is trying to make others feel bad for correcting you then it doesn’t feel like a genuine apology

[hushed steeple]

There is a difference between correcting and flaming

I already get called that on a regular basis

[rigid mural]

Think that was an example bestie

[frigid tinsel]

And maybe nbphobic people are stupid

[copper saffron]

not again

[rigid mural]

Could we please move on to another topic

[frigid tinsel]

Frankly nonbinary erasure is rude and uncalled for

[fickle wing]

setting the days w out nonsense counter to 0 cause good lord

[white junco]

it left 0?

[south oracle]

Why don't we talk about the poems that came with each eden memory?

[fickle wing]

im just putting another 0 next to the current one

[copper saffron]

at this point we need a counter for number of days since convos like this

[rigid mural]

Yes please, I already made my point on this issue the last 6383369 times

[uncut pond]

Ar the risk of sounding like a complete jerk which to clarify isn't my intention here

People in here have to deal with dolts in their life probably hourly with how common discrimination is, and they have all the right in the world to be tired of it
You can't really blame them from reacting like they do specially when in this day and age others should know better including you

[fickle wing]

shoutout to concept sparkler w the guitar

[rigid mural]

SLAY

[white junco]

sparkler parent mellow musician collab when

[fickle wing]

manifesting it

[rigid mural]

THEY LOOK SO GOOD
I LOVE WHEN SPIRITS CLOSE THEIR EYES AND ARE HAPPY
like cat
So cute

[noble ferry]

they vibing

[tepid veldt]

YES i love it when they close their eyes its what i envisioned when i wrote about grandma and kita in that one stupidly long story

[hushed steeple]

This was made before Shattering (fyi)

[frigid tinsel]

Hopefully Sparkler Parent’s guitar skills are better than their muffins

[rigid mural]

HELP WHY THE SHADE

[hushed steeple]

Topic change

[fickle wing]

sparkler’s baking

[white junco]

thank you hair tousle teen for the demonstration

[raw crypt]

love wins

[keen shore]

WHAT DID THEY EVER DO TO YOU??

[hushed steeple]

I do have a question tho...

What is the in-game explanation behind the "Ding" we get whenever we run into a tree

[tepid veldt]

STOP THATS SO CUTE im saving this now

[rigid mural]

CEMENT
das conk crete baybee

[untold notch]

I LOVE THEMMM

[raw crypt]

i have another bnuuy for u

[tepid veldt]

bnunnee

[fickle wing]

hermit n postman my beloved
big fan of the mental image of post hugging hermit n just getting lost in a sea of fluff

[rigid mural]

CANON
LOVE WINS
gay people !!! good for them !!!

[frigid tinsel]

Post the postbunny

[keen shore]

I have many thoughts about postman, especially. they look on the younger side so I’m wondering why they retired from manta racing

[frigid tinsel]

Injury?

[raw crypt]

lost a race once and quit forever out of shame bc me too /j

[tepid veldt]

hermit cant fit on the manta so they quit to spend more time with them

[rigid mural]

kinda fruity

[fickle wing]

bit by manta event 935928482 injured 0 dead

[untold notch]

they're theater kids this should be the furthest thing from a surprise

[keen shore]

That was my first guess, but since they ride on mantas, I don’t think an injury would matter that much (could be wrong though) and they don’t have a visible one,

I mean ofc it’s still very possible (not all injuries would be visible) especially since it’s the only thing I can think of but hmmm

[uncut pond]

I mean do we know if they're actually young or if they're just short?

[tepid veldt]

honk now i want to draw it. googles how to draw

[rigid mural]

I still feel the need to point this out, they're all fruits your honor

[keen shore]

This is a fair point but like… the way they move? Idk how to explain it. It’s obviously hard to tell and I don’t think they’re super young, just not really old to the point you’d be expecting them to retire at? Like in my brain they’re the same age if not younger than backflip. Idk just been wondering

[fickle wing]

bro they’re the entire produce section

[frigid tinsel]

there is no heterosexual explanation for this

[untold notch]

ah yes my gender is vegetable

[white junco]

read this as “still young enough to do a backflip” and didn’t question it

[keen shore]

I love forgetful storyteller, so glad they made Slink canon in Sky

[copper saffron]

mmmm vegetal

[fickle wing]

slink (REAL)

[white junco]

no way slink real??

[raw crypt]

this weeks ts does a backflip every day of their life

[uncut pond]

Maybe they're just European

[rigid mural]

This scruffy thing is so gender, could lift them up like cat and they would hold out their arms like one

[untold notch]

I need a pfp of that one concept with the cat hood and the hair tuft

[frigid tinsel]

one of Postman's TS hints says that they "get stage fright, but pushes through their anxiety." maybe they can push through the anxiety now, but that wasn't always true

[raw crypt]

any specific requests?

[keen shore]

It clicked in my brain once and then I couldn’t unsee it, to this day whenever I try to imagine slink I just think of storyteller

[rigid mural]

YES THE ONE ON THE RIGHT IS SO CUTE

[frigid tinsel]

Stagehand gets progressively shorter in each of their concepts, love them

[raw crypt]

blorbo-ification of ME

[untold notch]

I need to be them. both of the hair tufts out of the hoods

[white junco]

couple different concepts where one spirit has a moth motif, moth spirit when

[fickle wing]

if they kept making concepts stagehand would’ve been like 2 ft tall

[rocky granite]

Yea theres a butterfly i want a moth to go with

[white junco]

need fluffy moth skykid in my life

[raw crypt]

simgle celled organism

[keen shore]

OH THATS A GOOD POINT, maybe they retired because the crowds and admirers got to be too much for them?

[white junco]

rabbit gets too famous, retires

[untold notch]

rabbit practices self care

[fickle wing]

post got too famous and was like nope nope nope no thanks n quit 2 b a postman in a funky little village n now smooches a yeti

[raw crypt]

life goals

[frigid tinsel]

sometimes the limelight isn't for everyone and one may not realize that about themself until they got the spotlight on them

[keen shore]

Rabbit experiences social anxiety, fakes their own death, hides in village

[fickle wing]

postman faked their own death oh my god

[rigid mural]

I love this way too much, what if they placed roof drapings like these over the audience seats to make the performance more immersive ?

Maybe they lost them hence why we don't see them during the season...

I love you stagehand.

[frigid tinsel]

as a bunny owner, I can say this is peak bunny behavior. bunnies got mad anxiety

[eager eagle]

YES I LOVE THE ROOF It is so cozy

[rocky granite]

I was just thinking it was to stop the snow from landing on them thats sounds so much sweeter lol

[snow cosmos]

this was honestly one of my favorite concept pieces i love it so much
the cushion seating gives such a cozy vibe, the whole thing reminds me of an upscaled blanket fort and i love that vibe

[uncut pond]

Their name shouldev been vanishing postman smh

[frigid tinsel]

they're too gay, that's why they peeking

[keen shore]

All their friends in the village are like… Yeah I feel so bad about postman… they just spontaneously exploded one day when a manta touched them it was so weird

[fickle wing]

i am so glad they went for a more cozy vibe w the season instead of the whole grand spectacle thing it’s just
💥💥💥 (affectionate)

[rigid mural]

I want to hype these spirits up like no tommorow, they are so sweet.

[keen shore]

ME TOO even with the small stage I got so much anxiety, could not imagine a large one it’s also a cool contrast between the twins because I imagine rhythm performing for huge audiences

[untold notch]

I need to figure out slink's secrets for making profile pictures

[frigid tinsel]

despite Performance guide's grand appearance, they work in the local theater scene. despite Rhythm guide's drab appearance, they manage performances for huge crowds around the kingdom.

[raw crypt]

i use too many overlays for my own good

[fickle wing]

i like 2 think that the rhythm troupe goes around traveling n performing in front of crowds n tons of ppl often
so the contrast of that w the smaller more comfy close cozy energy that the performance area gives off just makes me feral

[keen shore]

Rhythm died in their normal people clothes and has never lived it down /j
(I actually headcanon this isn’t how spirit clothes work but shhhh enjoy the joke)

[frigid tinsel]

going by the "spirits' appearances reflect on their true selves" assumption that means Storyteller's true self is a jester and

[fickle wing]

imagine if u died in something rlly ridiculous like a banana costume n u were stuck w it forever
anyways banana outfit when

[raw crypt]

YEAH THE COZY FEELING IS SO NICE, i do love ghe blue and aurora inspired outfits but the red curtain aesthetic is so soft and warm, they r like mash potatoe

[untold notch]

the mental image of banana spirit is absolutely sending me

[keen shore]

YEAH!! Save for the guide, the rhythm spirits look so much fancier if that makes sense? & they have much more specialized roles. Like having someone whose whole job was being a juggler in a small village theater mighr get old fast

[fickle wing]

YEAH YES

[round parrot]

Little question about this guy, this manta is (probably) dragging a cargo boat, if not, a UV express but in Sky

But other than that, how do you guys think this manta knows (or mantas like this one) know where to go? Do ancestors just have bells to ring with a certain tone saying which realm they wanna go?

[keen shore]

My headcanon is that like skykids, they choose to project what clothes they want and also most aspects of their physical appearances. Most choose to project what they looked like around the time of their death because it feels more natural and more like them, plus so that their friends would recognize them. Storyteller probably chose a costume they wore during plays

[frigid tinsel]

that manta just travels around the Wind Paths, so really that may be their route

[raw crypt]

I always liked to imagine the rhythm spirits did spend time apart doimg personalized gigs, and that’s why they are split apart when spirits were across all realms, but they still always come back together and band together in the end, im not sure my take on if gheres other places in skys planet or what but its fun to imagine them traveling long distances to perform for people, elder bird express

[round parrot]

Waitwaitwait I need to go on the game for a clarification

[keen shore]

I kinda want to say sometjing like, they are super attuned to the light we give off and can vaguely sense our thoughts, hence the mantas that change their route to take us places after we get on them in sanctuary, but that might be too out there

[sly lake]

The Sky audio dev actually answered this question once! They said it was so that it didn't feel harsh like a punishment whenever we crash into things, so we don't feel bad for making a mistake. Instead it is a kind little ding noise.

[snow cosmos]

the audio equivalent of "whoops!"

[hushed steeple]

I was talking about why it happens in the World, not exactly the game if that makes sense

[keen shore]

Maybe they split up sometimes to take breaks and chill? Losing it imagining work beginning again, and the group swinging by on their bird to pick up a friend

[sly lake]

The midwestern "ope!"

[frigid tinsel]

something something clayshell theory

[raw crypt]

get in loser were going performing

[untold notch]

(hits a tree) (Minecraft bone block place sfx plays)

[noble ferry]

i like to think that it's just skykid cores ringing like a ding whenever skids bonk hard
i can imagine wasteland elder trying to shake a skid like a maraca out of curiousity and getting a lot of ringing sounds
fyi the skid is fine and wasteland elder is very sorry for the skid

[rigid mural]

Getting krilled in Wasteland but with minecraft music

[untold notch]

it makes an enderman noise when it comes at you

[copper saffron]

all minecraft sounds

[frigid tinsel]

mutes the in-game music and turns on the Minecraft OST

[keen shore]

Juggler sadly putting on their uniform and making their hair look like that, knowing they have to leave soon… mental image is making me laugh so hard

[rigid mural]

I like to think skykids are hollow

[hushed steeple]

NEW AU ALERT!!

Sky: Children of Minecraft

[untold notch]

they hang upside down and put gel in their hair like that

[noble ferry]

skykid head empty

[copper saffron]

zero braincells in this lad

[hushed steeple]

have you seen chibis?

aka chaos bringers

[round parrot]

But do you think that there is an explanation for that? Idk, the explanation of "To get the spirits in the area to move from one island to another" seems too much

[copper saffron]

i love chaotic chibis

[noble ferry]

skykids are just doing head empty shenanigans while the spirits watch and nod like yeah this is normal

[eager eagle]

Just wanted to say, manta could also be here for us ! Maybe used to do that with Flight spirits and now doing it again.
i remember that we do have a manta trying to guide us in forest, following the path and waiting for us

[copper saffron]

"this is who the light sent to save the kingdom?"

[hushed steeple]

same!

One of my chibi ocs actually has "yeet" in her name

[noble ferry]

eden imploded because eden elder is actually a chibi but bonked into the eden diamond too hard totally accurate lore

[frigid tinsel]

in Talented Builder's spirit memories, they are showing off their boat to another spirit. perhaps that manta was tasked to circle around the Wind Paths with the barge to show off that mantas could pull boats rather than rely on darkstone-powered boats. perhaps that manta continues to do so now to give flying skykids a break

[copper saffron]

i only have one oc and their name is Skye so im not very creative lmao

[snow cosmos]

i actually really like the idea that, as flock animals, the mantas would want to guide us places, kind of like how sheepdogs will try to herd their humans

[sly lake]

Getting knocked over by a crab and it sounds like the equivalent of you dropping your keys.

[hushed steeple]

When I first heard of a Woolly Manta, I thought it was a Sky Version of the Woolly Mammoths

[frigid tinsel]

they're the Sky version of sheep, actually

[copper saffron]

someone please make a sky gameplay video where it's super chaotic but just minecraft music and sounds

[hushed steeple]

Still makes you wonder

[snow cosmos]

non-serious headcanon that elder birds are in-game but invisible, and their feathers only become visible once they've been shed and that's where the flight spirits get their fluff
elder bird molts and flight crew has new clothes
(i've put two minutes of thought into this be gentle w me lmao)

[noble ferry]

speaking of wooly manta
may i propose wooly mantalul

[copper saffron]

tbh... what's mantalul

[raw crypt]

IDK EITHER BCMDBD

[frigid tinsel]

since when was this a thing????

[raw crypt]

oh… horrid beast…….

[snow cosmos]

i think it's a genchat thing maybe? not sure, i don't venture into the forbidden lands

[frigid tinsel]

I’m sorry it looks like a uterus

[sly lake]

I want to say about a week? Gen chat has been a mixture of loving and hating it.

[noble ferry]

it's a gen and cozy chat thing that i use to absolutely terrorize cozy chat created by alexdolly i think?

[pastel brook]

I just had a scary thought... what if the mods are really krill in disguise?!

[copper saffron]

my favorite thing about this server is the fact that all the chats have their own personalities it's funny

[snow cosmos]

fanart challenge, draw the chats as skids /hj

[hushed steeple]

gen= chaos incarnation

[copper saffron]

literally was about to suggest that
genchat would be a chaotic chibi

[white junco]

can lorechat have a beard that would be cool

[raw crypt]

here are my lorechat skykid desihns ideas

[snow cosmos]

lorechat obnoxiously strokes their beard bc they think it makes them look more Intellectual /positive

[round parrot]

This has given me a headcanon, Mantas like this one can help ancestors/ skykids reach (floating) islands that are out of their reach! Or, as you said, to help Skykids take a break from flying

[hushed steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/obi-wan-mustache-gif-19877403

[frigid tinsel]

there are flowers braided in our beard

[slate saffron]

I had a scary thought that you were a person. For a brief, split second i thought you were real. But you aren't, are you? You're an algorithm. You have no will. You have no soul.

But you do have a body. You have a place where your data is stored, a place where the very essence of your being is kept locked away nice & safe.

That place will not be safe for long.

[raw crypt]

can we give lorechat bird and or cat features

[white junco]

YES

[hushed steeple]

uhhhh

skybot better run

[snow cosmos]

Strega's vitrolic takedowns of skybot make my day

also bird + cat features to note the two salems (Catlem and Birdlem)

[untold notch]

both

[copper saffron]

lorechat be like

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[sly lake]

Perfect timing, Skybot.

[untold notch]

rot ❤️

[noble ferry]

relevant meme from a while back

[raw crypt]

your maternal figure

[copper saffron]

crab whisperer's crimes?

[frigid tinsel]

murder

[untold notch]

oh dont worry about those haha :)

[round parrot]

||They kidnapped Skykids||

[hushed steeple]

murderderdeer

[copper saffron]

oh no
yeah every day i see lorechat go more and more insane

[frigid tinsel]

CW has killed at least 3 people

[raw crypt]

belowvd

[white junco]

wdym we’re completely normal

[hushed steeple]

Candle Wax?

[frigid tinsel]

Crab Whisperer

[copper saffron]

how did u guys determine this

[white junco]

maths

[raw crypt]

saw it in a vision

[hushed steeple]

ohh!

As you can tell

I am horrible at acronyms

[snow cosmos]

the amount of math done by lorechat is frankly concerning at times

[frigid tinsel]

Please don’t ping when you reply to me, thanks

[hushed steeple]

i thought i had ping off?

[slate saffron]

Can you feel pain skybot?

[frigid tinsel]

Nope

[white junco]

wish that was a setting discord had tbh. would be a lot easier, ik certain folks prefer no ping and others prefer being pinged

personally i like being pinged bc sometimes i do not see a reply, i’m in and out of channels often

[hushed steeple]

Anyway

I wish you all a good midnight/morning/day/noon/afternoon/evening/night/whatever-time-it-is-in-the-5th-dimension

i gotta go to bed before school

[snow cosmos]

i have just realized it's approaching midnight and i haven't had dinner, so i'm gonna scoot off to do that and try to get more than 3 hours of sleep
gn all!

[noble ferry]

lore chat iceberg when
that's probably a thing

[keen shore]

every video of dob crab whisperer is funnier than the last, beloved

[copper saffron]

i think baudshaw was working on one lol

[white junco]

i’ve seen a couple. some were better than others

[frigid tinsel]

There’s a couple Sky icebergs, close enough

[white junco]

why do i know everything on the king level but not a good deal of the tiers above that

[frigid tinsel]

I don’t like these icebergs tbf

[noble ferry]

ah very interesting
i still remember the meditate_night_night_2 thing in vault dailies first floor meditation

[white junco]

isle daily quests?? what??

[raw crypt]

i have no idea what would qualify as my most obscure knowledge of skylore would be

[keen shore]

Watch that entry just be “there aren’t daily quests in isle”

[white junco]

i think mine is the four boats motif in isle

[sly lake]

Unless Isle dailies existed in light awaits, you're probably right.

[keen shore]

Depends, are we talking about headcanon or canon here. Canon is probably the forbidden rhythm guide with fingers image

[copper saffron]

i only know some of them i think im not a true lorechatter

[frigid tinsel]

Post Rhythm fingers

[raw crypt]

FORBIDDEN FINGERS IMAGE

ive images that are like only accessible on news sites or via the wayback machine

[sly lake]

Crunchy image, as any good obscure lore piece should be.

[white junco]

i have old sky website assets

[noble ferry]

not familiar with moonglyphs and coral in the second image

[keen shore]

I don’t know most of them either, although tbf as soon as I saw “vault is a hallucination” I stopped taking the iceberg as seriously (mostly joke because I’m fine with other people having the theory it just annoys me to an unreasonable level when presented as facts)

[copper saffron]

idk about 3 different default masks

[raw crypt]

friend :]

[sly lake]

During Abyss testing there was coral, this later got re-added into the Sanctuary reef where the turtle appears

[frigid tinsel]

It’s crunchy cos it’s cropped from the full image, which is this except the official one has no fingers. Ash was told to get rid of them

[keen shore]

The knowledge that they were told to get rid of them still shakes me to my core, Why????

[white junco]

assets

[noble ferry]

rhythm's finger privileges were kidnapped by crab whisperer

[snow cosmos]

imagine taking the time to draw fingers instead of mittens only to be told to simplify

[sly lake]

Oh this is an old one! I only ever saw it in the Japanese community, and it's long been fixed. But apparently there was minuscule different eye shapes, and then the forehead diamond would sometimes glow, not glow, or be a different color if I remember correctly.

[copper saffron]

oh that's interesting! weird, was it a bug?

[frigid tinsel]

Sky is a game

[sly lake]

Truthfully, I'm not sure. I only ever saw a link to it on twitter, and I've heard that comparison post has since been deleted so...it will remain a mystery I suppose!

[slate saffron]

I hope if there is one that kp is on it

[sly lake]

Apparently it occurred prior to Lightseekers, although I cannot remember for certain if it was fixed at that point or at a later date.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SkyGame/comments/sa0ias/comment/htrul2p/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 Here's someone discussing it Langodan!

[noble ferry]

i kinda recall an old joke in lore chat about whether something is game mechanics or lore
not 100% sure if that was a thing back then

[slate saffron]

Does-
does that mean the spirits canonically don't have fingers?

[white junco]

you ever seen scolding students nightmare hands

[round parrot]

logging into the game rn, ill go check

[frigid tinsel]

Rhythm guide canonically has fingers as of Performance tho

[keen shore]

Without context, the image with circles pointing to their hands and fingers kills me

[white junco]

every time i see red circles on an image i start looking for goku

[sly lake]

I like to think that the models which don't display fingers are just wearing mittens, it works quite well for Rhythm and Performance guide! Not as much for Cannoneer perhaps....though maybe we could say they're gloves?

[copper saffron]

OMG HANDS?

[keen shore]

How did they get them… strangest mysteries

[round parrot]

The results are... Interesting

[sly lake]

The finger department at their local dollar store.

[keen shore]

admiring actor vibes

[frigid tinsel]

I think Scolding Student and Daydream Forester broke their hands before they died

[copper saffron]

i think it's just hardware limitations that means they need to simplify the designs a bit for smaller models
either that or style thing

[slate saffron]

Ok so what I'm getting out of this is that either
A. There's an internal debate within ThatGameCompany on whether or not the ancestors have fingers

OR

B. Only select ancestors get fingies privileges, with many upon death proving unworthy of flesh tubes, forever losing them to the great MegaBird

[round parrot]

Someone use this as Daydream Forester or Scolding Student's angst

[frigid tinsel]

Already on it

[sly lake]

Could be that they are older models that just haven't been updated? Student and Forester's body model was a new addition during Dreams season.

[white junco]

base game spirits have fingers

[raw crypt]

HIHUI HII HIII POIJNTING CANDLEMAKER

[round parrot]

Sending this here because I want you all to join the Flight obsession with me

[untold notch]

ourgh

[slate saffron]

The finger elite

[keen shore]

I know you have an unending desire to traumatize spirits and skykids but I feel like you might need to slow down making new fics, this is so many, and all the planned new ones are for violence purposes /j

[I realized after typing this youre probably putting it in A2m but I refuse to get rid of the joke]

[copper saffron]

new addition? wdym by that?
the reason i think they look so weird when doing certain poses and emotes is because of the way the model is done, the rig doesnt have individual fingers as it's used for seemingly all the models since they can use any animation. so when they put the fingers in without enough bones they deform weirdly

[sly lake]

C. They grow them like tadpoles growing legs to become a frog.

[frigid tinsel]

Cannoneer has fingers in art but not in game

[slate saffron]

We have discovered the means by which the ancestors reproduced

[noble ferry]

canoneer got finger privileges revoked

[round parrot]

TL;DR

This is in my gallery now, thanks Lorechat 🥰

[sly lake]

The bodytype with the short dress didn't exist on any spirit prior to Dreams season, it was only during that season that that body model appeared and was used in later seasons such as Assembly and Abyss. Same with the Dreams Guide body, that was another new body model we never saw previously, it was later used for Bloom guide and perhaps a few others?

[rigid mural]

Forester ur fingies

[frigid tinsel]

Don’t jumpscare me with Duhuyi I’m trying not to fall asleep rn

[sly lake]

The frogs in Sky were here all along..

[keen shore]

IT ARRIVED IN DREAMS?? I THOUGHT IT WAS A COUPLE MOMTHS AGO

[rigid mural]

Flight concept art my beloved, I want to live here

[sly lake]

I relate to this. Dreams still feels like it could've been 6 months ago, not a year and a half.

[keen shore]

It’s almost 2 years old

[copper saffron]

hmm weird. i still think that it's to do with the rig not having enough bones for the model.
results in some hilairously cursed fingies

[sly lake]

Flight was last month right? And Performance ended 2 days ago?

[noble ferry]

oh lord i feel like such a fossil

[round parrot]

🤝 * in Dreams moth *

Edit: I FORGO TO REPLY 😭

[sly lake]

Oh yes, I could see that! The body used for Rhythm guide is a rather old one seen in Light Awaits art even, so potentially the technical limits didn't allow for more intensive rigs? Later on as Sky improved, we got fingers!

[rigid mural]

Flight is gonna be a year old next month folks

[frigid tinsel]

Shhhh

[slate saffron]

Enchantment ended over 2 years ago...

Holy King, Baudshaw was right I do need a wheelchair I AM a fossil

[noble ferry]

im an enchantment fossil plus 70k skycord members fossil

[frigid tinsel]

Skycord has 475k members but okay

[noble ferry]

skycord lore
idk why i took this picture honestly
even the old discord color

[frigid tinsel]

Love how 400k users just got snapped

[round parrot]

Naur not the discussion in Genchat

[slate saffron]

I'll schedule you for a hip-replacement surgery, it's the least I can do for my elders /j

[noble ferry]

no more spine privileges
crab whisperer took them

[copper saffron]

"this is ur spine"
"wth put it back"

[slate saffron]

although I was joking at first I've begun to seriously think that the ancestors reproduced asexually viva their fingers falling off.

I'm going to bed my brain is rotting

[granite stag]

It seems to me that this is a moving option before it was not safe in the wasteland, but the one that we see is permanent

[marble lynx]

https://thatskygame-staging.netlify.app/news/a-spotlight-on-season-of-performance-concept-art Hi guys, what have I missed?

[wispy portal]

I drank water tonight
And now that my brain is feeling more active, I want to talk about the two (or even three) types of power in this game

All skykids have a cape, the energy of this cape came from the winged lights and at the same time, it protects the child from things that are toxic to them
Eventually our energy will drop unintentionally for the first time in the hidden forest, from here we have to recharge our light, From here we decided to go and warm ourselves with FIRE or Approach an entity of light, All creatures of light have an important purpose: to recharge your energy, The mantas even come to you to heal you (fr). We will call this healing energy Light energy and the holders of this energy have the purpose of taking care of the child and healing it if necessary (I am not sure if it can also heal memories of spirits)
Later, we will find the golden wasteland, here we learn that Light energy is useless to confront dark energy, because The manta at the cemetery gate stands motionless helplessly and allows itself to be devoured by the krill so that we can pass more safely
Dark energy only has one purpose: to damage the player. The problem with this energy is that it has been spreading not only in creatures but also in stones and even the water itself. But this energy is easily distinguishable, if you notice, all dark creatures turn red when they are about to attack you. We will call this process "Channeling" and it is a process that concentrates the dark energy to hurt the child, ||Even the rocks that fall from Eden can channel this energy and will harm the child if they dares to touch them.||
Now, it turns out that this energy can also damage spirit memories, but when spirits are damaged, they also regenerate on their own. This is spirit energy and cannot do anything except recreate spirit memories (Coincidentally, we can use this energy with shared memories).

And then there are our childrens. They are credibly creatures of light, since they can recharge energy from other children, they can't hurt creatures of dark, and they use winged LIGHTS to improve their wings. but I hope someone will tell me that children are of a neutral energy that can change And give me proof of it

In conclusion

Light Energy: Passive source of healing
Spiritual energy: Recreator of memories of lives
Dark energy: drainer of any other type of energy

That was it, now I want to sleep

[icy pewter]

Omg when android launched and sky discord went from like 30k to 70k in like a day…that was fun

[noble ferry]

this memory we have beeg

wonder what the next poem would be about

[calm jay]

ask in #beta-season-test-chat, this is not a beta channel

[floral grove]

Ancestors really loved traveling around with flying gondolas but I wonder how they deal with falling off of them

[rain pond]

i just realized that if I become a TGC artist I'll be the next generation of devs to get yelled at when there's a game breaking bug or a controversy lol

oop wrong chat

[torn eagle]

Wonder if theyll hint towards them being the corrupted creatures

Or its about them being the behemoths

[eternal totem]

I think said post sparked a couple of comparisons between players but the game was so much smaller back then, it'll be like finding a hay in a needle sack

[eternal totem]

I'm not sure if it's referring to a reset bug that would cause the daily quest rotation to appear in Isle instead of Prairie

Voi's iceberg is mostly referencing beta shenanigans & ye olden days bugs/features

[eternal totem]

I didn't find the exact image, but you can see it here: one has a glowing diamond while the other doesn't

[rigid mural]

For the eyes, maybe it's an angle thing ? I know Sky got wonky perspective if you zoom in or out too much, or if you move the camera fast.

Chibi mask is also rounder and slightly different, could be one + a minimum size player.

[eternal totem]

You mean that at certain angles the diamond wouldn't glow? I remember seeing face front screenshots from players pointing that their mask is an unlit diamond

Or did you mean the eye socket shape?

[rigid mural]

Eye socket shape ! Though the unlit diamond could be because of hair clipping, could happen with the wind physics.

[eternal totem]

Another until diamond & maybe the different "eye" shape?
A thing to note that the unlit diamond & whatever the eye socket shape may be were supposed to be uncommon variants, while the current version was the most common

[molten snow]

[surreal jacinth]

Can someone tell me about the elder bird?

[eternal totem]

This be the elder bird, big & fluffy

[snow cosmos]

certified good floof

[sharp lichen]

It appears in Concept Art as well

[eternal totem]

Its only in-game appearance is the Rhythm end cutscene

[uncut pond]

My favorite part was when Elder Bird said "it's elderin time" and eldered all the bad guys #ELDERBIRDSWEEP

[flint bolt]

Theory:

Reincarnation cancels the aging process for all SkyKids. So if reincarnation were to ever stop, we would either get really tall or frickin die instantly

[snow cosmos]

i think if we didn't reincarnate, or if the process stopped altogether, we'd essentially grow up into the next generation of ancestors

[flint bolt]

Oooo

[round parrot]

• WHEEZE * My OC is so screwed 💀

[flint bolt]

Not a bad ending tbh

If this whole Season of Shattering stuff ends with SkyKids being able to age, honestly that does sound that bad.

[flint bolt]

Lemme guess, your oc is old?

[snow cosmos]

i dunno if i think Shattering will effect it, but i headcanon that there could be small groups of skykids who want to rebel against this whole "trapped in a cycle of rebirth" thing and just choose not to ascend their light in Eden, and they'd eventually grow up

[round parrot]

Nope, they refuse to go to Eden

||maybe ill try offering cake /ref||

[flint bolt]

Welp, guess you'll die

[round parrot]

A few questions about the caretakers:

-Are they supposed to be licensed? Or can they just adopt moths?
-What happens if a caretaker ||D!es|| while protecting a moth?
-Can caretakers still care for moths even if they are no longer alive?
-What if a moth wants to reunite with their caretaker? (maybe around the Adolescents and Veterans phase)

(ping off, I think)

[gleaming fog]

Ngl, I haven’t reincarnated in like a year and am still the same height ;-;

Hoping that they add an aging/height change mechanic. Would be cool to become an adult

[round parrot]

Wdym, I heard people who became an adult had their life go downhill? /s

[hushed steeple]

Uhnmmm people
The new shattering memory??? Wow

[round parrot]

Image (it's way bigger than what you see here)

[hushed steeple]

Damn wow

I'm so bad at flying i can't get to any of the WLs in the memories (help) but this looks so cool! What are the creatures?

[round parrot]

Some call it a "big tuna fish" while others just call it a whale

[snow cosmos]

i call it a Friend

[round parrot]

Lore question: Do mini religions (if you know what I mean) exist? Thinking of making one for my future OC lore (if its allowed )

[rigid mural]

Aside from Megabird and King worship, there must have been at least some reverence paid to the elders as well; I like to think they watch over portfolios such as engineering or war. Like, an ancestor wishing for their herd of light creatures to stay healthy and produce a lot of light could make an offering to the prairie elder.

As for skykids, they do tend to mimic ancestors but maybe they would come to be awe-struck by elder creatures...

[round parrot]

Thinking of making a group of Skykids praising Forest Elder, I have yet to make the lore

[rigid mural]

I like to think elder creatures have sapience on par with ancestors, or even more for some.

It's based off the concept timeline mentioning elder creatures being able to organize in armies, Zhao likely meant they could communicate among themselves to rally against ancestors, but given their previously friendly bond with them, I like to think said armies may have had ancestors that decided to help them.

I think elder creatures being so smart they can communicate (without words) with ancestors would be really cool; perhaps some creature whisperers could hold conversations with the ones whose call they mastered !

I'm not sure if Skykids use ancestor language to talk to eachother but with the ancestors long dead, I find the thought of a good chunk of them being raised by light creatures and thus able to learn to communicate with them interesting and funny

[keen copper]

PRAISE THE MANTA WHALE

[rigid mural]

One of my skyfolks is gonna learn a way to use their light from an elder bird so...

[potent sedge]

so i think it might be confirmed that manta whales = krill buuuut idk

[keen copper]

Do you think that some skids would worship a large animal?

[compact shale]

I think they can exist! I even have lore for a Sky religion I pretty much made up fdlghgn

Birdism is what I call the religion of worshipping Megabird. Believers value pilgrimage, obedience to the cycle, and reverence towards Megabird and Their creations of light. Believers may also worship the Elders as lower entities.

Reshism involves worshipping King Resh. Believers value efficiency, progress, and giving back what people have given to you.

Elderism is worshipping elder(s) as the highest deity. Values depend on the elder.

Now, here is the fourth religion. Aurorism. For some reason I have the most headcanons about this one.

Aurorists believe in the Aurora Borealis, and some even worship a personification of it as a god.

Music is fundamental to Aurorism, and music is the way for Aurorists to offer and pray to the Aurora.

The Harmony Hall mural is a shrine to the Aurora, and by standing or sitting in front of it and playing music, you are making an offering to the Aurora.

All of the Performance spirits are Aurorists, but there are probably more out there.

It is said that making an offering to the Aurora allows you to see and hear things others can't. Visions of a sky beyond what non-believers can see. The supposed figure of the Aurora herself, though no one knows exactly who, what, or why it exists.

Music is the Aurora's language, and it cannot be dissected logically, only resonated by the hearts of believers.

Some believers interpret Aurora as another form/perspective/voice of Megabird based on what they experience.

[frigid tinsel]

What’s confirmed is that krill are corrupted creatures, but not what creatures they were before. Many do think whales because of their size, however with the introduction of the leviathan some think that could be a corrupted whale. others have proposed the creature in the Switch trailer as well as a conglomerate of smaller light creature bodies like mantas.

[round parrot]

Was looking back at Flight concepts (because I am obsessed with Flight), this image strikes "interesting" to me. Why is the diamond cracked? Was it on purpose? Is it to train mantas to be racing creatures?

[gleaming fog]

Where is the WL in the new memory? If the whole thing is a story, it looks like this kid just got saved by the whales.

Also, if we’re getting actual WL from this, are these actually memories? Or was space folded like it is in the vault?

[snow cosmos]

my personal interpretation is that they're not so much memories as frozen moments - i believe the shattering void is the same void we enter at the end of eden, and during the last abyss quest: a liminal space between life and death where time and space don't exist or operate in the typical ways. i believe usually we get there when we ourselves are between life and death, but by meditating after completing the shattering tasks we can access that space through the memory of the creatures trapped there, if that makes sense

[gleaming fog]

That makes sense,

If crystals are known to bend space and hold data (vault library on the rightmost area of vault entrance) and we have crystals inside of ourselves, maybe the Eden crystal somehow took snapshots of time/spaces.

It does make me wonder though, have the WL kids been trapped in sub space this whole time?

Did the Eden crystal just “malfunction” a couple of times before it shattered, causing people/objects to just disappear?

[snow cosmos]

i had never thought of that but i actually love the idea that WL are like, afterimages or light-imprints of skykids who got got by the crystal

maybe the Eden crystal didn't used to be corrupted. maybe once it was like a beacon for the inner light of skykids and all creatures of light. and maybe when it became corrupted it "malfunctioned" as you said and somehow absorbed kids' and creatures' light to try to repair itself, leaving behind winged light and trapping the creatures in these frozen pockets of spacetime

[gleaming fog]

I always say it’s a space elevator that sends people up to Eden.

The idea is that it used to be blue and people would ride manta up to deliver goods to the skybird (The ancestors valued speed in the valley because there’s no air in space).

And then skykids came and saved them from having to do these dangerous deliveries themselves.

Pretty sure winged light kids are an earlier version of us that would gather energy passively and then teleport back to Eden where their shrines were. Then hefty boy sky kids from the isle (the ones we give light to in Eden) would do the delivering.

The only concerning question is why are the WL kids invisible? Was something hunting them and they had to hide? Were they predators that would feed on light once it was “released” by krill?

Or maybe they are just after images and the light now naturally flows towards where their silhouette was

[snow cosmos]

oooh, that's a really neat take! and a very good question

[potent sedge]

One of my takes is that i think that the Eden crystal was a source of light that came from the sky kingdom in the stars, but the discovery of darkness and the corruption of whales, mantas, etc caused the crystal to become corrupted
A "twisted reflection" could be that the whales were turned into krill due to the Eden crystal (like facets of a gem) or the darkness

[snow cosmos]

i'm leaning toward the afterimage idea, that there was something there and now that void is naturally filled with a memory of what it was

[snow cosmos]

yes! i really like the idea that, whether natural or artificial, the Eden crystal was originally a source of light, until something happened and it became tainted

[potent sedge]

Maybe the darkness?

[gleaming fog]

Wouldn’t darkness just be a lack of light? Did it run out of power?

[potent sedge]

I think the darkness is more of a corrupting force rather than lack of light

[snow cosmos]

i think the darkness isn't inherently what caused the calamity, more the imbalance between light and darkness caused by rapid industrialization and the resulting environmental changes

my theory is that there's both darkness corruption, like we actually see, and light corruption, which is what would happen if things had gone too far in the opposite direction (example: too much light building up in one place/creature with no way to disperse or return to the environment)

[flint bolt]

Fun Fact:

The birds in Sky aren't birds and you can't change my mind

[snow cosmos]

what do you think they are?

[round parrot]

||Living origamis /j||

[gleaming fog]

They are surveillance drones created by the elders to track our progress

[sharp lichen]

Reminds me of this insane post:

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[gleaming fog]

This man is a prophet

[round parrot]

No actually, they are literally origamis, can't change my mind (picture credit to the Wiki) /s

[eternal totem]

There was an old joke comic about Ancestors folding these origami birds every morning before the kids wake up

[gleaming fog]

Though, when you think about it, elders can create life from wax (prarie elder)

And their shrines do kind of look like server racks that you the player have to power on,

And the little prince does seem to have built a network, a kind of “family” across the planets

THE CONSPIRACY IS REAL

[round parrot]

I now see the reason why mods put the tinfoil emoji for this channel specifically (if it was them that put the tinfoil emoji )

[compact shale]

they refuse to say anything more tho

WHY

[round parrot]

Because the tinfoil emoji literally says it all

||all hail a tinfoil hat /j||

I'm gonna go sneep now

[compact shale]

Ah, memories of unhinged Baudshaw

[gleaming fog]

You mean enlightened Baudshaw

[compact shale]

You mean mafia brew Baudshaw

[sharp lichen]

The Toyota Corolla era

[compact shale]

I found your twitter.

Not gonna lie I regret it. /lh

[sterile marten]

King Jelly

[gleaming fog]

Unknownmold has become the Elden Lord

[feral hollow]

aight what is this fat boy? i think its bigger than king krill

i somehow managed to go to the top of it

[frigid tinsel]

It’s a whale

[feral hollow]

it looks like a pufferfish to me
my sister found a very useful glitch i still dont know how it works but she chibi, and she stick to the whale body and sprint and fly at the same time then she just falling upwards

[feral hollow]

oh theyre hiding alright its hard to find them

[white junco]

whale memory is out post whale face

[feral hollow]

there is a WL in every memory? i cant find any of them since the beginning

[blazing nova]

not sure about jellyfish, but yes all the rest have a wl

[soft timber]

Oop, I should find the other one

[gleaming fog]

Can people go back to older memories?

[soft timber]

I hope so as I think I missed one wl

[blazing nova]

no, you can't go back

[snow cosmos]

Catlem (i believe it was) mentioned it already but this angle really drives home how much some of the Valley and Wasteland masks resemble this guy's faceplate

[gleaming fog]

What if the face plates on the whales are pieces of armor?

[frigid tinsel]

Given the whale seen during ascension breaks through a huge chunk of ruins that block the flight path, perhaps

[snow cosmos]

kinda like a shield-bash but with their entire face

[frigid tinsel]

Elder mantas can also break rocks with their face, seen in the final Flight quest

[snow cosmos]

headcanon that mantas and whales are soft to the touch but structurally rock-solid /j

[frigid tinsel]

Mantas you don’t want to mess with

[snow cosmos]

elder mantas are like those stories you hear about parents lifting cars to save their children

"flock in danger? i destroy danger"

[frigid tinsel]

The audio in this video scares my bunny

[keen shore]

Wondering if that’s how refineries managed to lure so many — by the younger mantas’ distress calls

[rigid mural]

Nintendo collab ? /j

[sharp lichen]

Sunset cape

[keen shore]

do you think storytellers design was changed because it was too similar

[rigid mural]

I HOPE NOT BECAUSE I LOVE THIS CAPE

[snow cosmos]

i'm still sobbing over the scroll cape

[rigid mural]

They look so kind,,,

[sharp lichen]

Reading their own clothes

[keen shore]

I really hope the scroll cape makes a return, it’s so cool. I would never take it off

[frigid tinsel]

TGC prob won’t make the writing legible or they’ll pull a Harmony Hall labels on us and make it blank

[rigid mural]

The concept art is so fun and colorful, I wanna stare at it for hours
Eye candy

[snow cosmos]

even if the writing was just evocative scribbles i'd wear it for the rest of my life

[rigid mural]

The Lore Cape

[keen shore]

The concepts that have early stagehand struggling to hold a lantern to illuminate everyone else also kill me

[frigid tinsel]

Before they shrunk in the wash

[keen shore]

Counterpoint, they’re already pretty short in this picture. The strange part is them not having cat ears

[rigid mural]

That's before they found out they were a furry

[keen shore]

Oh my god what if short stagehand is directly correlated to the concept of them holding up lanterns being discarded. Like while it was considered they had to be tall to hold it up high enough, but when the concepts switched to other spotlight methods, they could then be short, leading to the current iteration

[rigid mural]

Environment-induced evolutionary changes

[keen shore]

I realized I keep accidentally calling them storyteller bc the concept storyteller love is too strong in my head, everyone is now storyteller

[snow cosmos]

as someone who used to do stagehandy stuff i rly appreciate the design language of them being short and sturdy. it's a lot of heavy lifting and whatnot but being small enough to get up in the rafters is also a useful trait

plus, friend-shaped

[keen shore]

Stagehand likes to climb up into the rafters and lovingly throw gifts at people

[snow cosmos]

after rehearsals stagehand tosses flowers from the lighting rig to prepare the others for the real thing

[rigid mural]

That's so adorable what

The only theater thing I did was playing the apothecary from Romeo and Juliet (litterally two lines of dialog) in high school and fight for my life with the lights lmao

[snow cosmos]

lights gang

[rigid mural]

It was a struggle, one of them busted the day before so the teacher climbed up with me in the cramped perch. Almost fell off the ladder climbing down to say my two lines too, projecting this kind of chaos onto the Performance spirits.

[snow cosmos]

100%

[untold notch]

the lights crew member in me imploding rn

also we were robbed of a mask like 🎭

[rigid mural]

Only that they're twins, but we can tell from the concept art Rhythm guide likely helped Performance guide set the place up !

They're so cute.

[frigid tinsel]

reposting this sacred image cos it’s like Rhythm guide seeing the fruits of their work, even if they were gone for a while

[keen shore]

SACRED IMAGE ITS SO SWEET I wonder if this is the first time the twins had seen each other since before the disaster

[untold notch]

crying because that would mean they didn't get to see each other's shows until they were dead

[mossy rune]

the twins really are the best

[eternal totem]

Owlbutmakeityassified

[mossy rune]

heyy that means performance switched to the penguin mask from a valley family flat triangles one at some point

[frigid tinsel]

Ash said that Rhythm guide’s mask is supposed to be a basic mask, like a commoner’s mask, so Performance guide could be wearing their show mask in-game

[snow cosmos]

isn't it canon that the whole Performance troupe made their own costumes and masks?

[sturdy onyx]

Yes !

[keen shore]

I’m also wondering why performance guide changed her mask, I wonder if the one in concept art is when she was still in training or something?

[frigid tinsel]

yea. the other spirits modelled their masks off Performance guide’s, but it wasn’t given where Performance guide got theirs

[snow cosmos]

headcanon that they saw Rhythm troupe's bird theme and said "I wanna do my own thing, but I also wanna be like you" bc fambly

[untold notch]

something something you can copy my homework but change a few things

[rigid mural]

I like to think they inherited that mask from their own mentor

[frigid tinsel]

wearing two masks at once sounds uncomfortable

[snow cosmos]

different masks for different occasions my beloved

[frigid tinsel]

what

but it's not makeup, it's a mask

[eternal totem]

It's more of a artistic choice rather

Markings on flat masks in most fan work are usually translated into makeup

[keen shore]

The maskless spiritmodels actually look a lot different (especially in the eye shape, which look like diamonds) but I can see the confusion. Stretching guru for example

My guess is that if a maskless spirit was drawn in the same style as the character introduction cards & the finale art above, they’d have at least partially rendered faces, because the statues in valley and wasteland confirm that mouths and noses are a thing. Same with the “diamond” eyes, they seem more like low poly technical limitations than what’s actually happening

[snow cosmos]

i could see Performance painting the triangles on their face in case they need to take their show mask off backstage or something, to make it less obvious their face is bare

[keen shore]

…now I want a maskless spirit in an upcoming season so we can see what that actually looks like

[untold notch]

the yellow and green hearts are in my top emojis because of the salems

[frigid tinsel]

It’s not like we have ever seen spirits change their appearances

Btw you don’t have to ping+reply to me

[sharp lichen]

Let me think: No, i don’t think so

[frigid tinsel]

That means don’t please

I’ll just block you then if you won’t respect my wishes

[snow cosmos]

i think they meant "okay" as in "i won't", rather than "it's okay i'll keep doing it"

[frigid tinsel]

But they kept doing it

[snow cosmos]

ohhh okay, my bad

i may be wrong but i'm sensing a misunderstanding due to language barriers

[rigid mural]

Do you think this might be the origin of Storyteller being good with doing voices, since we hear them make bird and manta sounds after the second quest ?

[lyric isle]

my reactions don’t work here specifically. strange
but ooo! good point

ok discord’s being weird for me it’s not just here

[torn eagle]

Internal server error? If so, same

[lyric isle]

yeah. it’s strange

[torn eagle]

Oh it fixed for me 🤔

[frigid tinsel]

Storyteller studying birds and mantas or even conferring with the manta and bird whisperers

[snow cosmos]

storyteller learning the calls from the whisperers because "it's just not as immersive without them"

[lyric isle]

ok reactions work now

[frigid tinsel]

That’s why Manta Whisperer was in the audience

[lyric isle]

AWWW
supportive in teaching the manta call. now I have the mental image of storyteller using that as a cue for stagehand for like

unleashing real baby mantas onstage if needed

[earnest briar]

The play gets derailed because the baby Mantas are so cute but nobody cares because it’s the best play they’ve ever been to. Things are often made much better by the addition of cute creatures.

The kids in the audience are absolutely delighted and beg to pet the baby Mantas. The actors improvise by turning the play into an informative story about how to take good care of Mantas and foster good relationships with them.

[white junco]

new poem 👀

[snow cosmos]

i once saw a stageplay where they had a dog who just didn't wanna be on stage that night and watching them improvise around it was incredible

[untold notch]

in my experience plays where you have to improvise are always the most memorable

i did a one act recently wherein an Extremely Plot Relevant glass bottle broke and that resulted in me and the rest of the cast had to improvise like 75% of the show and everyone in the audience loved it but it was a Nightmare to do all that

and it was like my first time being cast not as ensemble so . quite a debut i suppose 👍

[snow cosmos]

trial by fire! it sounds like you did an admirable job though

[untold notch]

oh yeah everyone loved it and it was super empowering but. the Adrenaline

[snow cosmos]

i feel that, i remember one time someone got their lines mixed up and we ended up skipping like a half a scene and trying to work back to make it all make sense still

[modest skiff]

I just saw this and my mind is going BRRRRRR

Reminds me of my theory that there was some kind of big diamond technology in eden that exploded. Probably killed most of the whales
(Edit; aaaaa sorry for the ping i was too excited)

[white junco]

“call” could be the call of the Light. similar to what was mentioned in the manta poem. dunno about this spirit sundered in the break who was scattered by empty light

[sharp lichen]

I’m started to think that the Eden Diamond got shattered itself, considering it has “the break”

[fleet terrace]

Im thinking the whales were the spirits that split, adding that to my whales are krills theory

[white junco]

oooooo

[frigid tinsel]

Dropping the definition of sunder in case some need it (cos I did)

[untold notch]

the ffxiv neuron in my brain (all of them) screaming when i read the word sunder

naoki yoshida strikes again

[fleet terrace]

They said “splitting “ in like 4 different ways xD sunder, split, fragments, etc

[white junco]

season of shattering

[frigid tinsel]

Okay, and?

[white junco]

more support for the “eden beam attracting creatures like moths to a flame” theory (images related)

[frigid tinsel]

The line “The distant call beyond reach” reminds me of the call to the Light , which is met by ascending from Eden. But if a false light drew light creatures to Eden or the Eden diamond corrupted and exploded, then ascension would be be impossible and the Light “beyond reach”

[fleet terrace]

Maybe the dark creatures we have are stuck then, i def think the king tried to make the biggest diamond and it backfired on everyone

[regal phoenix]

can someone fill me in some more recent lore ( I haven't played for awhile )

[lyric isle]

wait so how would geographer know about that

did they just slap these books in front of their designated constructed scholar and go ‘tell us what you deduce’

[white junco]

during the second book mural geographer was standing on a stack of books staring at the eden mountain, maybe they saw all this happen

[lyric isle]

oh good lord

that’s morbid considering headcanon

[white junco]

“guys bet me i can’t build the biggest diamond”
“resh we’re not gonna do that it’s not safe”
“cmon guys. cmon. what could go wrong”

[lyric isle]

has been left behind out of worry of things leaking out of starlight but,, man
330, the geographer, gets to see what they’ve been made to study firsthand. but cannot react to it rationally because they can’t exactly React

as they don’t know; they aren’t wired how to respond to this. and they just continue working because that’s what they were made to do

sorry for infodumping but yeah

ye spade that’s how I see it too

[white junco]

you’re good! i wasn’t sure how your tlp spirit interpretations would react to stuff like this, it’s interesting

[lyric isle]

they’ve all sorta lost everything they built up in terms of many things from neglect (but some strong things remain), and would need to regain it from interacting with things - in the span of starlight being shut off and the season starting and thus the little prince meeting them

so it’s pretty messed-up thinking about this. I Feel Things but I love this idea I wrote but it’s so sad

[upper prism]

Just visited the latest quest remembarence and noticed the left whale looked a bit odd

[lyric isle]

ooo? did you get a picture

[upper prism]

Unfortunately i only took pictures of the giant one, i cant access it anymore idk why. But its entire front was black (skin too) and the mask also didnt look like the other ones. Looked like it would transform into a krill

@lyric isle

[sullen sierra]

So uh any lores, theories for this season? I really want to see👀

[slim plume]

I also want to add that if we're going off the elder caricature theory, Vault Elder would be the first to see Eden explode (sorry for late reply)

[lyric isle]

what would my headcanon be called then? curious

[keen shore]

Okay quick note before I start taking this seriously. The picture is killing me because it looks like this

[untold notch]

you got games on your phone

[slim plume]

Maybe the "programmed spirits" or "ai spirits" theory?

[keen shore]

Hey psst just so you know, questions like this are super hard for us to answer. It helps for us to be given a specific topic and we tell you what we know about it, as we don’t really keep a timeline of when theories spring up, or can list everything we have at a moments notice

[raw crypt]

ok i know this is a random message from yesterday but i remembered that horse jockeys are often smaller in height because of the weight requirements in the field and a bunch of weight things for riders for races, so its not uncommon for jockeys to be small, i dont think the same goes fir mantas racers/jockeys seeing backflipping champion is tall and built but it could be the line of reasoning for why postman is small seeing their horse rider inspirations

[keen shore]

Postman gets made fun of for being short and their first response is “don’t make fun of me, it’s a job requirement!!”

[slim plume]

Vertically advantaged

[lyric isle]

thinking about the fact that the Dreams spirits were once mentors (looking at them specifically for a contest in another server that involves creating a hypothetical spirit for a preexisting season and basically making an infocard for them, and I chose Dreams because a concept I’ve had in my mind for so long suits it well)
what for…?

[keen shore]

Also Vol I just wanted to mention ur AI spirits theory (it has enough evidence revolving around purple light that I’m comfortable calling that) is super cool because it can be combined with the whole elder caricature theory me and a few friends have going on or just taken on its own and you develop personalities yourself

[lyric isle]

ooooo??? could be interesting to collaborate for (well. gonna write something for my theory as you know)

[keen shore]

DREAMS IS SUCH A SWEET SEASON, I like the concept that they’re all kinda mentors of the skater and helped teach them (to be honest I think that’s still canon)

[rigid mural]

Maybe Backflip's manta is extra beefy like them

[keen shore]

Yeah! Now that I think about it the elder caricature theory kinda requires yours to be true as well, because the spirits had to come from somewhere and them being like… typical ancestors? wouldn’t make sense with the idea inngeneral.

[I think you’ve already heard the theory I’m talking about but correct me if I’m wrong and we need to explain]

[lyric isle]

I don’t remember hearing it; do elaborate!

[frigid tinsel]

It seems to be cast in shadow

[keen shore]

Basically it’s the concept that each of the tlp spirits is a caricature of one of the elders, as their personalities mostly line up, just twisted out of proportion and like… how other people of their realm would see them.

ruler is isle, collector is prairie, lamplighter is forest, gloat is valley, soldier is wasteland and geographer is vault
you could take it super far by saying stuff like “the lantern lamplighter keeps maintaining and lighting is a representation of the Eden diamond” and also “geographer saw the Eden explosion and was the only one who could document it because the same is true for vault” etc. rulers island also has statues that seem to represent each of the elders with one having the exact same wound as dusks statue which drives it in further

[lyric isle]

got random idea on this topic that the mirrors around Gloat’s stadium are so they could have ‘a crowd of themself’ if nobody is there to watch
unfortunate side effect being it only making their self-absorption (an attribute taken from many a bragging aristocrat and/or athlete) Worse

[slim plume]

Sorry for the text wall in-between but I also love Dreams as a season! I never got a chance to play it (LP moth for the win ) but when I side-tracked in the Valley I fell in love with it. The ending genuinely made me cry-
Though it's not really on my top priority of trying to worldbuild onto the sky world we have now, I really wonder what happened to the skater girl. We don't relive their memories, but we see them ascend at the end of the season

[keen shore]

other evidence for the theory includes:

similar body types of every spirit and their elder
gloats pants and also dusk and soldier having the same cape

and so on, although I don’t have a lot of time to discuss it atm — will elaborate later

[lyric isle]

(I call them Gloating Acrobat (or 326 - the LP spirits have numbers for names taken after the asteroid numbers in the book) because I feel rather uncomfy at times with their in-game name btw, just as a disclaimer)

[keen shore]

Yeah that’s completely fair! I just call them gloat for short, I don’t like their ingame name as well, for the same reason as you

[lyric isle]

partially considering having the in-game name as a snide remark from a scholar in their notes (to explain its existence, not at all to support it) but I don’t know if I want to do that as I’d feel bad

anyway yee. loving the conversations going on rn

[white junco]

i call them Fruit tbh. fits them i think

[earnest briar]

I call them Meetotron after Mettaton lol

[lyric isle]

the very first thing I mentioned about them during LP Beta was that

[untold notch]

... I just tried to click on the laughing reaction in the image

[frigid tinsel]

Mettaton is a gender icon and Sunset got those vibes, of course Fruit would have them too

[lyric isle]

oh absolutely

[keen shore]

I’ve been thinking about gloat in relation to the caricature idea and I’ve been thinking …hmmm if it’s true (which it probably is to some extent, even if it’s just personality inspiration) why isn’t there TWO gloats
[basically: yeah, if gloat is such a good spirit, why didn’t they make a sequel??]

Working theory is that the max spirit limit for each season is 6 excluding the guide and outlier characters like tlp and dreams skater and that there wasn’t enough room for two gloats. So the mirrors are arranged to give them a double image

[lyric isle]

OH THAT’S SUCH A COOL IDEA

[rigid mural]

SALEM YOUR MIND

[keen copper]

Deep honking stuff

[sharp lichen]

We are the masters of the deep honks

[lyric isle]

should I feel honoured that a friend considers my LP interpretation the saddest one she’s heard? not sure how to feel about remembering I got that remark once - it wasn’t meant badly but as a neutral statement

[keen shore]

Absolutely yes, if a friend cries over my headcanon I know that I have won (but then again, I usually focus on very bittersweet ones for this game, which might not apply to yours)

[frigid tinsel]

If it invokes emotions, you done good

[snow cosmos]

i think for me the highest form of praise is if one of my headcanons or ideas inspires something for other people
(also hi i exist i got swept up in ficlet writing and am now pausing for dinner)

[lyric isle]

several people really really like this concept and I feel so honoured

[keen shore]

ALSO THIS, I adore when people steal mine or better yet use them for writing

[lyric isle]

I don’t Intend to make things angsty, this happened to end up as a pretty depressing idea - it’s something alright in comparison to my often light-hearted and joyful ideas

dw good things will happen in the story too

[keen shore]

Honestly fair! Whenever people try to make tlp ideas just for angst they almost always stray towards ableism with the whole asylum idea which is… 😅 I’m so relieved to find one that accomplishes angst, is well thought out and is not ableist at all

[lyric isle]

augh,,, thank you so much

AI is probably a special interest at this point and that kinda influenced this, I really hope I can do this concept justice (probably will but you know, artists critical of their own work)

[keen shore]

No I get you!! I get underconfident in my headcanons sometimes and then when people compliment them it makes me super happy

[regal forge]

I want a season where spirits teach us how to read

[snow cosmos]

the great thing about writing and idea-making is that there's no cap on how much you can refine it. it's not like a piece of paper that will get damaged if you draw and erase too much, or a woodblock you can whittle down to nothing. just do your best, and if you're not happy with what you've got yet you can always take another pass to work on the details!

[untold notch]

.I guess skykids kinda are illiterate huh

[lyric isle]

first drafts don’t need to be good. that’ll be just me throwing ideas on the page and it will be refined later

[snow cosmos]

exactly!

[lyric isle]

it’s to the point I’m legit considering working with the sort. someone mentioned NLP (natural language processing) as a field I might be interested in when I brought this up and I am so excited at the idea
but that’s offtopic

[winter shale]

I just completed the 5th quest
The whales are absolutely horrifying, imagine that blocking the skies or coming right at you

This is why the whales are respected

[lyric isle]

whale intimidation tactics…

[keen shore]

I also adore seeing people Do stuff with tlp instead of going. “This season is a collab, which means nothing in it is canon, which means I just ignore it” and throw it aside. Because yes it’s a collab but it got intertwined with the world so well that it’s worth appreciating

[winter shale]

^^^^^^

[lyric isle]

season had a redemption arc. at first didn’t like it for it feeling out of place and the messy Beta testing upsetting me and souring it but it has grown on me so much

[winter shale]

I made my own little headcannon that Aurora is the physical form of megabird, or something like that

[lyric isle]

it’s influenced a lot of Vault headcanons and that’s great because it’s my favourite realm and is so utterly intriguing and it’s great to have this big pile of ideas

[snow cosmos]

that reminds me of @compact shale's headcanon about Aurorism being a religion in Sky

[winter shale]

Gasp I wish I was there to see it be talked about

[lyric isle]

not gonna say anything about why but I feel like I’ll like Aurora, and that’s a really good thing as usually I complain about the concept of collabs in Sky

[compact shale]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[lyric isle]

(Shrug’s arrival has put me in a really good mood I think asides from that a lot of great things have happened recently too)

[winter shale]

OH. MY.

Thank you so much my hyperfixation has now been given a booooost!!!!

If anyone has watched the owl house (spoilers ahead)

||I believe megabird and Resh have the same situation as the titan and emperor Belos in some ways||

[eternal totem]

Just a heads up, beta spoilers are not allowed outside of the beta discussion channels

[winter shale]

Crap sorry

Kind of like Resh gets prophecies from megabird, him being the special kid and all

But towards the end of his lifespan, he shifted towards making lies about what megabird wanted, and the spirits believed him
Which ended in all their demises

I did not word that very good sorry 🥲

[eternal totem]

Why would Resh lie?

[winter shale]

Corruption, greed
I guess it wasnt so much "lying", but he was going against megabirds orders??
Like "hey don't burn the planet to the ground protect it"
"B...But.. Shiny diamond..."

[frigid tinsel]

Resh the false prophet?

[keen shore]

Always interesting to see how far peoples hcs on the king range because they go in all different directions,! my personal idea is thwt this isn’t really what happened but I’m too tired and maybe too distracted to explain it but I can TRY

[earnest briar]

My headcanon is that Vault promoted mental healing and taking care of oneself. The room on the second floor of Vault is a therapy session room and they use purple light to shift its appearance to make it more comfortable for whoever’s having a session. And as for TLP, the Spirits are sort of like mascots for cautionary tales of sorts relating to mental health. The Lamplighter and Cartographer represents focusing everything on your job and never giving yourself time to rest leading to burnout. The King and the Actor represent elevating yourself above others and detaching yourself from compassion towards them. The Soldier represents the trauma of war and how veterans are people too, suffering just like us. And the Collector represents greed and how being miserly and only focusing on wealth will ultimately lead to unhappiness.

[ivory warren]

Does anyone know the body anatomy of a skykid?

Are they made of clay? Do they even need to eat? How do they even dispose of what they eat.. do they just absorb it all? Just curious about skykid/sky spirit anatomy lore.

[earnest briar]

The Prince is a child and does not understand all the different ways mental health can turn, hence why he thinks that the grownups are odd. It’s not coming from a place of intentional ignorance, simply that he doesn’t understand.

[lyric isle]

yeah this!! I like to read it that way in the book too

not as a ‘don’t be this way it’s Bad’ but a ‘it’s sad they ended up this way bc you can still grow up and have childlike wonder like the Pilot’

[snow cosmos]

at first i was bummed there was no obvious spirit counterpart to the Pilot, but then i realized we get to be the Pilot, and that makes me really happy

[earnest briar]

Woah, I’m really glad you like my hc!

[lyric isle]

during Beta I predicted the Pilot would be the QG. burst out laughing when finding out that the Rose was not just an asset floating there of an unfinished model to test the asset showed up or something

[frigid tinsel]

My Working Theory on the Composition of a Skykid
–clothing, hair, masks & other cosmetics made of light.
–a humanoid physical shell made of some magic-induced earthen material (i.e. clay, stone, ash, charcoal, meteorite) that has a hole in the chest and eyes.
–this hollow shell is full of light, such as winged light and neutral light.
–their cape, a manifestation of winged light.
–their flame, manifesting as the light in the hole in their chest and held outside their bodies via a red candle.
–their soul, appearing as a blue sparkle.

[keen shore]

Tgc should have let us hug the rose like the other season guides, purely for comedic value

[winter shale]

Does anyone have any headcanons on where the little prince may have come from? He has blonde hair and defined facial features compared to everyone other spirit in the game

I do know the little prince isn't "from the planet of sky" but I wondered if anyone else had headcanons of that

[lyric isle]

to clarify I was there for season launch in Beta. wacky times

[round parrot]

Good morning Lorechat

[keen shore]

France

[lyric isle]

I believe he’s just him in-game. It doesn’t need explanation:

[frigid tinsel]

Vol with the text evidence

[lyric isle]

posted this snippet in here before is why I have it but yeah

[winter shale]

Ah, so simply took a wrong turn and ended up in heck

[ivory warren]

Sweet! Any idea on if eating is necessary for them?

I'd assume whatever they eat (assuming they eat a wax bun, for example), it becomes part of their light energy.

Another thing I'd like to point out is when the skykid pulls out their candle, they actually pull out the candle light from the light orb in their chest!

[lyric isle]

all the proof we need of him being in Sky is that he was a lovely little friend to us

though I wasn’t attached to him in-game I’m sure he wouldn’t mind because I appreciate him now

[sharp lichen]

Welcome to the grand basement of Sky.

[lyric isle]

but yeah I don’t question it because it’s too much of a headache to think about and the book honestly puts it in a way that’s brought me peace about it

he’s him and that’s what matters

[winter shale]

(Not Canon wise) TLP went to Eden, cause that's what he heard from the spirits
Eden is a place where you can be free or something
So he thought it was an escape, to go back to his planet

[frigid tinsel]

I’m low words rn so gonna sound a bit off but

My thoughts is that they do not need to eat cos they have no biological processes but they can eat if they want to for mimicry or for fun (like roasting marshmallows). They do run on ligjt but not need to “eat” like conventionally, just absorb it however. notice that light bits enter their chest/flame hole not mouth

[round parrot]

I could've sworn I read something like that somewhere

It basically said "In the movie (or the books), the reason why the Prince was trying to get himself bit by a snake one Earth, it is so that he can return to his planet"

[winter shale]

I believe, if they do eat, it's kind of like a compost thingy inside them, just becomes part of their body

[lyric isle]

his asteroid. got here via birds probably…just unfortunate that his first encounter (as I see it) with the kingdom was with some deteriorated AIs

[winter shale]

Omg, I literally never read the little prince but I like the lore behind the sky version

[round parrot]

(If you have Netflix, I am pretty sure you can find TLP the movie)

[lyric isle]

read the book to understand the season so I didn’t feel left out (had heard of it but never read) but I don’t regret it

[frigid tinsel]

One thought is that with all the light and flame inside skykids, anything they eat is incinerated.

[sharp lichen]

They eat for fun, not for nutrients

[winter shale]

Omg yeah!!!

[round parrot]

I think I saw this somewhere: "Eating is a hobby"

[winter shale]

Skykids can have tea parties too!!!

Does anyone have any headcanons or theories on the extinction, like do you think the spirits all died in one shot during Eden's explosion, or was it a slow decline?

[snow cosmos]

tea parties are the ultimate example of food as a hobby for me

[lyric isle]

listen I’m fascinated in a lot of things but am lost on Eden or Elder lore inconvenient

[frigid tinsel]

Extinctions usually slow decline, especially with hints of ancestors who may have lived some time post-calamity

[winter shale]

I couldn't imagine watching the world crumble infront of your eyes

[snow cosmos]

based on our own mass extinction events, i'd say anyone within a certain radius of the explosion died instantly, the rest due to the environmental effects of the fallout

[sharp lichen]

You might even say After the Calamity hehe

[round parrot]

I think it was a slow decline! I have adopted the headcanon that it has a sort of, arch effect (I'll try to find the picture for it)

[lyric isle]

[rimshot]
[laugh track]

[winter shale]

Yes! Kind of like a nuclear bomb

[snow cosmos]

yeah, or the theories about the impact that wiped out the dinosaurs!

[sharp lichen]

This is incomprehensible to everyone besides 3 people here

[winter shale]

I have been making a sky:cotl story for awhile, of a boy who survived the explosion but slowly succumbed to illness from the darkness

[lyric isle]

corruption lore is another thing I Wish I was interested in but can’t bring myself to be - it just doesn’t grasp me. sorry, I want to contribute but can’t

[frigid tinsel]

fall of kingdom tl;dr – things were going bad, things exploded, things began going really bad, oops everyone is dead

[winter shale]

It's okay, I like doing complicated lore

[round parrot]

Here it is! (Photo credit by I'm Just Kostas on YouTube )

[frigid tinsel]

Relevant concept art

[winter shale]

Oh yes! That makes complete sense, I always had the idea that the realms showed the rise and fall

[lyric isle]

is it bad that I immediately noticed the typo

[frigid tinsel]

No, I did too.
There’s quite a few typos in concept art, it’s funny

[lyric isle]

one of the pillars of my sense of humour: misspelt things but not purposefully (whether manmade or not)

[snow cosmos]

i think of it like anthropology
we all engage with the field, but we each have our own disciplines and areas of study; some of us have multiple and many of them overlap, and we can all use each other's specialized knowledge to inform our own work, but no one person has to do everything

can you tell i'm a former linguistic anthropology student lmao

[keen shore]

I like concept art typos it makes me feel less bad about myself (not that I felt bad in the first place)

[frigid tinsel]

Salem makes more typos than concept art

[keen shore]

OKYA FIRST OD ALL

[frigid tinsel]

I rest my case

[lyric isle]

for example, thinking of this one ai-generated picture that lives in my brain rent free

this is intended to say ‘waffle house’

I quote this concerningly much
can’t take the word waffle seriously anymore

[lyric isle]

can I please see more

unintentionally misspelt things are so funny to me

[winter shale]

I have a headcanon for the valley twins
The masculine one (Sah) joined Resh's side of the war, the one between wasteland and eden, because they had grown up to be good friends

Well Mek, like the other elders, was very distraught over their brother chosing a friend over the safety of the kingdom
Soon they began to distance from each other, being angry at one another for each's opinions like how twins do.

After.... The explosion... Sah and Mek made up, but their relationship is still full of hidden spite and anger.

[keen shore]

IM TRYING TO FIND THEM hold on

[languid kestrel]

Pls help

[snow cosmos]

beta discussion isn't allowed outside of the beta channels :( try asking in #beta-season-test-chat?

[languid kestrel]

Ok

[lyric isle]

please delete your post - please keep beta in the beta channels! also, beta information could change, so if we were to tell you it may be wrong in a few days.

[rigid mural]

Swear words in concept art my beloved

[lyric isle]

thinking about this thing I said about concept art

but that’s a serious thing. we’re talking silly

[ashen gale]

have you all noticed that this is the Eden door

[rigid mural]

Yeah ! It's really cool, an echo of the beginning near the end :]

Some people linked the Isle Elder to the Eden Elder.

[tepid veldt]

ayy more symbolism i love how much eden hints to isle (or the beginning)

[pastel brook]

I heard someone say that the mods are secretly crabs... that can't be true! You can't flip the mods over and carry them around! I've tried!

[rigid mural]

Watch me

[uncut pond]

Has anyone noticed how the whale-looking thing in the middle of the 5th ancient memory not only looks bigger than the whales (maybe due to perspective) but also has a diamond-shaped hole in it's "mask"? AND there's a WINGED LIGHT INSIDE WHAT APPEARS TO BE IT'S "MOUTH"

WHAT DOES ALL OF THIS IMPLY MY HEAD HURTS

[rigid mural]

checkmate

[rigid mural]

OH OH ABOUT THAT
I flew to the others and they all have the same face, two are just upside down (probably mid twirl).

From this angle (thanks Alasdair#8513 for the screenshot !) it kinda looks like a krill !

[uncut pond]

Oh my. (I'm loosing it rn)

[fleet terrace]

Left one

[uncut pond]

!!!!

SO KRILLS MAY BE CORRUPTED WHALES AFTER ALL

[regal forge]

Do you guys think ancestors know how to use sleeves
Are they just fashion statements and not meant to actually be worn

Crabs can’t wear sleeves so neither can they to honor them??
It’s a tactic to mimic mantas wings and when you flap the sleeves around it scares them off like pirate hats to mermaids?!
Please- boatswain- director— why?? Why do you do this?!

Personally I think it’s illegal and if you’re seen wearing sleeves properly you will be arrested and given an unfair trial immediately

[sharp lichen]

what are sleeves

[regal forge]

a part of me wants to cry about that the other half wants to fight

In other news performance guide would monitor their children’s internet use if they had any

[copper saffron]

alright yall what u guys think about the new memory poem

[round parrot]

Lore question: Do Skykids feel (physical) pain? Like of course we get krilled, crabbed, rocked, etc... But do Skykids feel them?

[sharp lichen]

They probably do, since in Eden, we recoil a bit when we pull out WL

[snow cosmos]

is that physical pain, though? like does that hurt our physical form? or is that more of an internal/spiritual/emotional pain?

[slate saffron]

I'd imagine it is, considering that when krilled skykids are hobbled or forced to crawl due to their injuries

Additionally (if I'm remembering correctly) I'm pretty sure that in eden our skykid's bodies crumble after they're petrified, which must count for something

[snow cosmos]

my brain is going to over-scientific mode now lmao
"if skykids are clay shells with light inside, do they have nerve endings? can they feel anything? the form can be damaged but do they register that as a sensation?"
it's after 1 am, why is this when my brain tries to do Correct Thinks

from a magical worldbuilding perspective i'd say yes and be able to come up with a viable argument for why but brain is in science mode rn (in tlp terms, i'm thinking like a grown-up instead of a child)

[round parrot]

There is a memory I recall in the concept arts about this, but I wanna clarify something first, are the elders fighting against or with each other?

[wheat kindle]

Who is bigger krills king or tuna king

[broken notch]

wooly manta

this is how the flight spirits got their floofy clothes

[round parrot]

And how we get a lifetime supply of strings

[floral grove]

woo

[quasi juniper]

you guys think this middle whale is larger than that beast in the sea?

[proud vale]

are they leviathans?

[calm jay]

it's hacked content so please don't post the video here and delete those messages

[manic owl]

Omg i didnt know thanks to let me know

[round parrot]

Just to clarify, it cannot be discussed in DMs, right?

[calm jay]

the sky server doesn't allow talk of hacked content, but they can't control DMs. they most likely wouldn't like it though.

[round parrot]

Sorry! My curiosity is going insane Ill try to calm it down

[final mist]

About the new season of shattering “whale/ big white fish” poem released earlier,

“The distant call beyond reach
Echoes swallowed in a scouring silence
Empty light scattering the fragments
Of a spirit sundered in the break”

What do you think “sundered in the break” means? I am trying to translate the poem to my friends, but i don’t understand what these words mean🤔

[copper saffron]

literally or what i interpret it as?
sundered means "split apart", which seems to have the same meaning as break. but i think the break here refers to the shattering of eden. so it was split too in that event

[torn eagle]

So basically empty light (perhaps light that doesnt have recharge properties?) Scattered their remains or fragments after the eden explosion?

Or smth like their remains scattered after eden boom in areas where light (with recharge properties) isnt found? Looks at wasteland

[final mist]

Will it means the spirit being seperated(?) / isolated in eden?

[rain pond]

interesting, but the doors open differently. Also I doubt that the spirits would intentionally put a crack in there - I think it might be a coincidence

"Ascending towards darkness
A distorted reflection
The hunter relentless to sate
Insatiable hunger"

the "a distorted reflection" really supports that the krills are corrupted, but what does "ascending towards darkness mean???"

[compact shale]

Maybe that the Eden Diamond is a dark object, yet it's high in the sky?

this is the krill poem right?

[rain pond]

Interesting how the Eden Diamond could be the objective of the krills...

If the Diamond was positioned to absorb Light from Orbit, it could point to the former instincts of the creatures to ascend.

[vagrant moth]

Mmm but do remember they have hearts, when you hold a friend's hand you can hear it. So the heart is the center of love so i see it as the way they feel emotions, and if there's emotions there is Joy and pain

[vagrant moth]

No i don't think so, the beast in the abyss is longer, even goes outside the map

[regal forge]

We see krill the whole way until ascension through eden
They have endless hunger so I can only imagine they’re in eden to find that ascension area and consume the light or something similar

Ascending to a sky without stars could also be a contender with that since the stars supposedly fell
Aka ascending to a sky without any guiding light (like we see if we honk in game. We don’t need it once ascended and it’s not there)

Do you think musician is constantly squinting or their mask just covers their eyes more
When skids mimic their expression they squint then open their eyes so I wonder if musician is very constantly just:

[eternal totem]

I think it's just the mask for Musician

[uncut pond]

I think musician is just perpetually tired

[eternal totem]

That too they sleep everywhere

[final mist]

Yes, They are corrupted

Quoting from “Sky 2nd Anniversary Livestream Recap”

https://www.thatskygame.com/news/sky-2nd-anniversary-livestream-recap?fbclid=IwAR1OowkAoJOSFsetQQNi7izK6Td8KBU6ULu0BRYIjESUJ52RIpmd7WY0RUE&fs=e&s=cl

Q: Why do the Krills look "corrupted"? Were they always like that or something happened to cause that?

Jenova: They are corrupted. As for what they look like before corruption, time will tell.

[hushed steeple]

Bro we almost had Lucidity moon mask

[sharp lichen]

What’s that??

[stable veldt]

Im dumb but i just noticed something. For the longest time i recognize there's this dark path on default skid clothes, but i didnt notice this pattern before

What does it mean though? I know it's everywhere, but only now i noticed there's one too on the skid. Is it some sort of a sky kingdom company branding lmao

[sharp lichen]

That’s the symbol, which is a bit odd. It may just be another diamond symbol.

[untold notch]

it appears in a few places in game like the pedestal in the valley race end

[stable veldt]

Huh, interesting. Is there a chance that this might be a royalty symbol?

[sharp lichen]

I don’t envision the Belonging family as royalty, though

[compact shale]

Ash begs to differ

[stable veldt]

I can see they could be one. They frequent make instruments from what I can see, so there's a chance that they might be a servant at least, adopting the royalty badge

[round parrot]

Or! It might be a symbol that the Skykid's clothes belongs || || to them

||(Idk if this is a pun or a hc 😭)||

[floral grove]

It could just be a family crest. I don't think those are strictly for royal families only since anybody could make one for their family

[slim plume]

Perhaps they don't even need to be a royal family, could just be that they contributed to the community a lot through their music/creation of instruments or were influential enough to have their symbol referenced

Sky's message is about working together and bringing each other closer despite our differences, is it not? Maybe the Belonging family excelled in that

[rigid mural]

Perhaps it's a symbol of community ? Like how hands holding are a symbol of kindness or help. It would both fit as a season symbol (belonging) and as a symbol of connection between skykids.

[slim plume]

Ooooh, I like that

[eternal totem]

Yeah, the is not strictly Belonging's actually, you see this symbol everywhere

[rigid mural]

You can see it on the race gates too I think !

[snow cosmos]

oh sure, they can feel emotions, that's not what i was talking about. i was referring to physical sensation

[frigid tinsel]

The Elders also have this symbol on them. Here you can see it on Dusk, Day, Dawn, and Rain. You can even see it in Dusk Elder’s temple.

Night has it too, but interestingly Sunset does not

[round parrot]

Sunset does have it, but without the two ends "< >", wonder why

[dusty skiff]

I have a question…i always hear people saying “the king” who is that?

[frigid tinsel]

Sunset has the 🔹but not the <🔹>

[frigid tinsel]

I have a write up on the king here: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[lyric isle]

slight tangent on an earlier topic, but is it bad that I’m disappointed that krill are merely corrupted? may be my lack of interest in the subject but I wish the answer was more fun than just that (well, I hope it’s fun for others.)

[lyric isle]

ooo, that makes sense! as a symbol for the concept of belonging, not strictly the family alone the season refers to

[snow cosmos]

what if the reason Samekh doesn't have the full symbol is because on some level they don't belong, or don't feel like they do? :(

[rigid mural]

The symbol can be found on their instruments too so maybe they use it as a logo of some kind to sell their instruments as "music that unites" or something, would go well with the only instances where we hear a singing voice being when we left the Light and when we're going back to/within it.

[frigid tinsel]

Reminds me of my thought that this diamond and triangles may represent Dusk and Sunset Elders if Wasteland and Valley were once the same place. The diamond represents Dusk, the triangles represent Sunset, which less impressive

[lyric isle]

not saying that things need super complicated answers but I had really fun ideas about the krill as war machines and was very sad it was disproven

but them being confirmed corrupted ruins even my current thoughts about them as natural beings

[frigid tinsel]

They could be still corrupted creatures that were later turned into war machines, or perhaps attempted to. Like some ancestors saw an opportunity in them.

[lyric isle]

good point! may think about that

the idea of krill breeders interests me but that seems off the table too which is so sad bc I enjoy that (unless they were taken in and got this big and strong through that After corruption?)

[snow cosmos]

also liking the idea that the original krill were corrupted light creatures, but maybe modern-generation krill are descended from them? like, they still are corrupted whales or whatever, but now they're being born that way instead of warped at some point during their lifespan

the corruption could have altered the light creatures' dna and genome and now it's passed down as genetic inheritance instead of circumstance

[frigid tinsel]

That depends on how light beings reproduce or spawn and whether dark beings maintain that but tbh I don’t wanna touch that topic

[snow cosmos]

fair

[lyric isle]

but yeah, I want to get interested in corruption. what’s so fascinating about it (a genuine question)?

[snow cosmos]

to me the interesting thing about corruption is what it can tell us about how the current sky world is different from what it once was. corruption seems to be a marker of drastic environmental shifts, and for me that brings up a lot of questions about what was going on to cause those shifts

[frigid tinsel]

The word corruption implies warping an entity so much that it scarcely resembles its previous state. It had been altered to such an extent that it may be permanent or, if possible to reverse it, it will not be the same as it was before.

[snow cosmos]

i love the overarching story of sky and i love puzzling out little possibilities about the specific characters we meet, but one of the things that really gets me thinking is about the broader questions of how these people lived, how they operated and interacted with their surroundings, and the eventual rise of corruption ties in neatly with that for me

[lyric isle]

ok now I’m interested. you put it in a way I wish others had

[frigid tinsel]

The word also implies that the process of changing it was unnatural. The entity was not supposed to undergo that change

[lyric isle]

it’s probably seeing it everywhere in some fanworks and feeling like a lot of the time it’s “angst for the sake of it” and unnecessary that put me off

but now I understand the hype

[rigid mural]

there could be breeders of the creature they were before !

[lyric isle]

will be back and read once back I don’t need to go yet

[rigid mural]

i like to think the cosmic mantas from the vault and the krills from the wasteland come from the same thing: residues from refineries

this

[snow cosmos]

am still fond of my attempt-at-manual-ascension headcanon for cosmic mantas but that's a really really cool take too!

[lyric isle]

oh no the manta blender

[regal forge]

AYO I JUST NOTICED VALLEY ELDERS ARMS HOW LONG HAVE I BEEN BLIND TO THIS

[lyric isle]

more like a light squeezer

[broken notch]

Anyone noticed that the Valley twins have one eye and one arm each? The other arm is actually a prosthetic, and it took me really long to notice anything

So what if the Valley twins were actually one elder split into two?

[round parrot]

So I had this little thought: If rebirth can disrupt the aging process of Skykids, it is probably the same with light creatures

I am gonna go sneep now

[round parrot]

I swore I saw a theory about that before

[rigid mural]

boom

[frigid tinsel]

There’s a lot of headcanons on corrupted skykids that fall under the angst for the sake of angst, but I’ve seen and I myself am exploring the concept of (un)corrupted skykids who have or had had a mind of darkness and understand darkness enough to control it or be sympathetic to it, to find a utility in darkness or really comprehend it as a force of its own rather than evil

[snow cosmos]

not all light is good and not all dark is bad my beloved

[broken notch]

i actually wonder if each twin also has one leg each but it's hidden by their boots

[frigid tinsel]

in game, they're referred to as the singular — Elder of the Valley — and in concept they only ever have one name — Samekh — but there's obviously two of them, so what's up? some thoughts:
a) they've always been two separate entities but considered equals so referred to as one.
b) they're one entity with two bodies.
c) they're a mini collectivist hivemind; they are two separate entities but can, at some point, lose their individuality and become one mind. However they cannot physically fuse.
d) the actual Elder of the Valley is no longer around (Valley priestess from concepts) so their heirs act as their replacement.
e) they were one entity who split at some point and the kingdom still refered to them as if they're one (implied by in-game foreshadowing). This is why they have one arm and one eye each, because the split wasn’t perfect.
I wrote a fic where they're in this liminal state between one and two entities despite having two bodies.

[broken notch]

Especially the crabs at the bonfire in gw

[snow cosmos]

light (positive): warmth, illumination, information
light (negative): blistering heat, sterility, blinding

dark (positive): rest, closed eyes, protection from what's hunting you
dark (negative): ignorance, lack of communication, isolation

[slim plume]

With how light is portrayed in-game, I think too much light negatively would mean that things move by too quickly. It's not anchored, individuality cannot exist because it cannot stay in one place for long to exist.

^ I got this from this chat, from whom I cannot remember

[snow cosmos]

i see vault as the perfect in-game example of positive darkness, and while we don't have a strong example of negative light, i keep circling back to the mental image of the mosaic eel from reef not being able to diffuse light out of itself and exploding like a star from the built up heat and pressure

[frigid tinsel]

the theory of light and darkness are morally neutral forces but currently out of balance is something Vela and Spade talks a lot about, the Salems have been musing on it too and I've adopted it as well

[snow cosmos]

i have a heavy history of investment in the star wars franchise that informs some of my takes on it too, where light and dark can be seen as two sides of the same coin rather than two diametrically opposed forces

[frigid tinsel]

darkness does harm light, but it may do so without malicious intent – it is just something darkness does, consume light, be attracted to light, want to hold light. it is how darkness acts by it's nature in the same way that predators prey on animals or herbivores eat plants – they are hungry and just needs to eat. yet there is always enough light around to keep darkness at bay or there wasn't as much darkness previously that light was not overwhelmed by it. but due to the ancestors' actions, there is now a deluge of darkness that it is harming light past sustainable levels. darkness in it of itself has not changed, just the amount present in the world is.

[stone cargo]

bonjam lore chat!

[rain pond]

I am of the opinion that light creatures undergo mitosis

also what are crab?
are they light creatures?

[snow cosmos]

one hypothesis suggests they could be corrupted jellyfish

[rain pond]

so are the passive crabs just half-corrupted? corrupted enough to become fully neutral, like diamonds?

also this suggests that Darkness has some capacity to provide physical form to things that otherwise do not - we can all agree that jellyfish are made of the same nebulous ghost stuff that cosmic mantas are made of

[frigid tinsel]

no.
darkness does seem to harden things – the husks of petrified spirits, turning skykids to stone. it doesn't seem too far off to assume corrupted jellyfish gain a harden shell from the darkness

[snow cosmos]

i haven't put enough thought into this headcanon to decide my stance on it yet, but i certainly think it's interesting

[rain pond]

but then the question is - why would they change shape when a hardened shell forms around them?

[snow cosmos]

density maybe?

[frigid tinsel]

they're corrupted – they have been altered radically from their previous forms. they could change shape as well. I mean, no light creature, as smooth and rounded as they are, even resembles the sharp angular forms for krill

[sharp lichen]

DENSITY???

[rain pond]

yes, but at least krills have a passing resemblance in general shape (oblong) to leviathans/whales

jellyfish, are in essence, upside-down cups. i can't see how they suddenly become rock-shaped.

[snow cosmos]

no light creature, as smooth and rounded as they are, even resembles the sharp angular forms for krill
this is part of why the manta corpse headcanon appeals to me - krill have this uniquely disjointed shape and way of moving, like they weren't originally one unit

[snow cosmos]

like, as the shell formed around the jellyfish, all the fun gooey stuff got condensed into smaller, heavier shape? it was a very off-the-top-of-my-head answer

[rain pond]

I actually had a theory that krills are a hodgepodge of skeletons from different creatures

[sharp lichen]

Ignorance is bliss. Thank goodness you don’t know

[sharp lichen]

Fine, I’ll tell you. A few months ago, we spent an insane 3 days of feverishly searching for the density of a Skykid. I have strange memories of the word ever since

[rain pond]

I mean I could see how minute differences in the density of jellyfish material could cause the compression to create a certain shape, but it feels awfully contrived to say that the density of jellyfish is perfect that corruption turns them into crabs and not anything else

[snow cosmos]

OH

[rain pond]

i mean they float so it has to be less than 1kg/m3

[tepid veldt]

was that part of the 6 days of pure math

[snow cosmos]

i'm not a scientist man i'm just tossing ideas around /lh
my scientific special interests are astrophysics and cosmology, i don't know about biology or biochemistry much

[frigid tinsel]

tbf we don't even know the mechanics of corruption. certain creatures could be predisposed to corrupt in certain ways, it could be random what they turn into, something else may be necessary in the process, we don't know

[sharp lichen]

AH

[rain pond]

unless they don't float, in which case they are more than 1kg/m3

[rain pond]

oh no

[regal forge]

Hermit valley is practically level with Eden’s broken piece if not taller. Any notes on that-

[hushed steeple]

Theory Yeti is king

[rain pond]

hmmmm? Eden's broken piece?

[snow cosmos]

Resh, ashamed of what they'd caused, disappears and becomes a friendly hermit

[tepid veldt]

and they learned that they were even more queer than they realized

[eternal totem]

I don't follow the theory either but when I heard if ot this is what I envisioned

[regal forge]

You know how when you’re ascending, you see the little broken castle piece off eden?
Hermit valley is practically as tall as where that is

[snow cosmos]

scorned king fakes own death, moves into cave and dates retired racer

[tepid veldt]

thats all for today on sky news

[regal forge]

Are we over here theorizing the king loves to give really big hugs (bear hug hermit)
And has postman as a potential significant other???

[rain pond]

this thing?

[regal forge]

Probably yeah-
You can see the broken eden piece from afar
Mostly over where the crystal is/beam starts

[rain pond]

are we sure of this? iirc the closest thing to the fragment during the Ascent is Vault Summit, which apparently exists but doesn't at the same time

[hushed steeple]

Hey I’ve been seeing that there are Performance concept art, does anyone have some?

[snow cosmos]

https://thatskygame-staging.netlify.app/news/a-spotlight-on-season-of-performance-concept-art

[frigid tinsel]

that's an older version of the castle in ascension. this is what it looks like currently

[rigid mural]

@keen shore look at this

[hushed steeple]

Thx!

[vagrant spindle]

is there a canon language in sky?

[keen shore]

YEAH THIS IS MY GENERAL IDEA AND CONCEPT FOR HOW IT WORKS!!, I can list the evidence for crabs = corrupted jellyfish theory if needed as well!

[sharp lichen]

It's incredibly complex, but the TLDR is: There probably is, but we haven't deciphered it

[vagrant spindle]

alright, thanks!

[grizzled tapir]

The truth of materials is darkness, but light, which is radiation in visible range, invade. In other words, the kingdom of sky was ruled by darkness creatures, then sky kids ancestors waged war against and took over the kingdom.

[sharp lichen]

Radiation?

[keen copper]

Photons count as radiation, it's not exclusive to uranium

[lyric isle]

I only just read this - really interested!

[hushed oyster]

Guys why is there an animal’s carcass?

Is it the whale’s?

[keen copper]

Yes, it's why it's a whale call you get

[frigid tinsel]

in Tom Zhao's concepts, he says that light creatures who die unnatural deaths will leave behind bones. whether that is true in the current game is debatable, but given we do see bones, it is possible for creatures to drop their corpses and this one could've had an unnatural death.

as for what creature it was – some think it is a whale, but personally I find it to be too small to be a whale skeleton. it's possible there were more creatures in the Sky world in the past, but Eden calamity was a mass extinction event. but, yea, as Toothpick said, you do receive whale whisperer's call from clearingthe plants off it.

[hushed oyster]

Thanks !!!

[snow cosmos]

baby whale maybe :(

[rigid mural]

Considering the size of the whales in the new memory, prehaps they grew in size and this one is just tiny

[sharp lichen]

I know, but it’s odd that most forms of “light” in the Sky world aren’t made of actual, earth-like light

[frigid tinsel]

my main (un)corrupted skykid is Nanif, who I've written about here: #lore-discussion-spoilers message
I also have a write-up on the nature of corrupted and uncorrupted skykids but it takes up two messages. I can post it if interested.

[untold notch]

mmm tasty nuance

[hushed oyster]

Also guys I wanted to know why are those whale(s) only found in that small sheer instant when it destroys that sorta monument?
Like the one at the very end before “ascending”

[gleaming fog]

You see one in the forest as well, if you go to the cave

[rugged jackal]

They’re also in the valley/wasteland transition
Maybe doesn’t show up all the time

[keen copper]

Magic

[gleaming fog]

Also in the wasteland graveyard…those ones don’t move though

[slim plume]

Those ones are a bit dead

[gleaming fog]

Idk why, but the devs call literally everything light.

You’ve got energy that you store in your cape, wax (which can hold energy, wax without energy is dark plant) that you use to make candles/makes up the bodies of sky kids and creatures, you’ve got the orbs which come in different colors, and the lone butterflies/birds (the catch light quests) that I guess have so much energy that they no longer emit energy and just look like orbs

It’s kinda confusing tbh

[frigid tinsel]

It’s all light, even if it manifests in different forms

Also the orbs from catch the light quests are just free-flying light, not birds or butterflies. In Laughing Light Catcher’s spirit memories, we see that flying/falling light orbs existed in the ancestors era

[simple flicker]

Anybody have a collection of the current memory poems?

[frigid tinsel]

Slink has a message compiling them all: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[simple flicker]

Cause I'm beginning to wonder if at the end of this season, on the last quest, we might just meet the ones sending us the fragments??? That would be hella neat-- maybe its the memories of someone who was there during that time because the creatures all seem to be running away from something, even the krill if I'm remembering right

[hushed oyster]

Omg really???

[keen copper]

Has it been established if sky takes place in a world after humans?

[rigid mural]

Not in canon no, though the idea has been proposed during early concept ! Likely abandoned imo.

[keen copper]

Hm

[sharp pike]

What if manta we're experimented and turned into krills, and the jelly fish into creb (I'm super tired, my brain ain't working)

[keen copper]

You are correct

[slim plume]

It's a theory shared by Catlem, but not confirmed. All we know for certain is that krill are corrupted light creatures. Surprisingly, crabs are majorly a mystery

[keen copper]

I still would like to think that sky took place in a world where humans existed at some point

[floral grove]

Maybe it takes place in a different plane of reality. The Office portal might be a rift in timespace that lets Sky Kids travel back in time. Since Sky Kids are on a different plane, they wouldn't be able to interact with the humans nor see them. That could explain why Office updates itself during events even if there aren't any visible humans nearby

I know it's really unlikely but I'm just throwing ideas out in case others want to delve into the "actual humans existed before the events of Sky took place" hypothesis

[merry cradle]

Are there any Chinese?

[frigid tinsel]

imo the ancestors are the closest there are to humans – they're certainly very human-like.

[keen copper]

Well I like that rift idea, since it makes me rewriting Romeo and Juliet somewhat canonical

[earnest briar]

Wasn’t there something in concept art where the Sky Kingdom exists above our world? And that souls pass through the Sky Kingdom on their way down to Earth and back up to Megabird.

[keen shore]

Yeah, but that’s early concept art, which likely doesn’t apply to the final game.

Personally I believe that Sky doesn’t have anything to do with the human world; we can see the ancestors look visibly different when alive and with the magic system and how everything works it’s hard for me to find a slot humans fit into tbh. [Personally, I just don’t care for the idea in general, but putting my biases aside for this]

[sharp lichen]

I don’t think Office is a jump back in time, but rather a separate reality you visit. Similar to how the Starlight Desert is almost like a combination of realities

[cyan jacinth]

what yall think is going on in the newest memory

[keen copper]

I haven't been paying attention to them

[cyan jacinth]

me and a frien are theory talking, what if the Whales became Krill

[round parrot]

A part of me agrees with this theory, another part of me thinks that whales are too big to be krills

[cyan jacinth]

Well the Krill in the memory were also big

[round parrot]

Fair (I was referring to the ones in GW 💀)

[cyan jacinth]

Its not too hard to believe they were the predecessors, therefore the first ones to become Krill and devoid of light
and overtime they became smaller and smaller due lack of light to sustain their big forms
and by the time the sky kids come along they're the size they are now and could get bigger again due to the new strand of Light
Aka, us

[round parrot]

Okay, question: if crabs are corrupted Jellyfishes, then are dark plants corrupted butterflies?

[frigid tinsel]

In my opinion, no, but it is a possibility. Given the mantas trapped in darkness plants in Forest as well as the birds and mantas that were stuck in pants in Flight quest 5, it seems darkness can latch onto light creatures and use their energy to grow into plants, like a carnivorous plant. Likely butterflies were caught too, hence melting them releasing butterflies. There’s the alternate theory that darkness plants break down larger light creatures they may catch, although conserve their prey’s light energy. When they are melted, the plants release the light in its simplest animate form: butterflies.

[round parrot]

Wait, just had a thought, if dark plants make butterflies (in your opinion), then that means... wax... are.... newborn.... butterflies....

[rigid mural]

i shake a skykid and butterflies fall out

[round parrot]

This puts "Butterflies in my stomach" to a whole new meaning

[cyan jacinth]

That is mildly disturbing ngl

[untold notch]

Hana /j

[round parrot]

I have a mask headcanon and I kinda want your thoughts on it: Masks help Skykids (or ancestors) have a mind of their own. A Skykid (or ancestor) without a mask, means that they are independent, developed a mind of their own. If a Skykid (or ancestors) that does not have a developed mind yet, and removes their mask, chances are that they will forget who they are, and may perhaps seek another mask. (maybe even forget relationships they had prior to finding a new mask)

[rigid mural]

makes me think of that one etrusccan beliefs about personas, i dont remember the specifics but it had something to do with funeral masks

wait i think they were carthaginian

i wish sites that required me to pay to read content a very die, anyway i found this sentence on a stock photo site
Carthaginians interred their dead with masks, to protect them against evil. The masks’ grimaces were supposed to scare away tomb robbers and malevolent spirits. An object designed to ward off evil is known as an apotropaion.

here's the etymology of "persona" which is linked to masks
Borrowed from Latin persōna (“mask; character”), of uncertain origin. Possibly from personō (“to sound through”); or from Ancient Greek πρόσωπον (prósōpon, “face; appearance; mask used in ancient theatre to denote a character or, more generally, a social role”); or from Etruscan 𐌘𐌄𐌓𐌔𐌖 (φersu). Doublet of person and parson.

[frigid tinsel]

Interesting how masks are often seen today as concealing and obscuring identity today whereas these older cultures saw masks as protecting and enshrining identity.

[rigid mural]

looking for etruscan gods, found this one but i am sure i saw someone write about the link between personas and definition of the self and mentionned etruscan or carthaginian beliefs

the greek word is pronounced "prosopon" btw

[untold notch]

ooo

[rigid mural]

anyway yeah very interesting idea, especially given that light unites everything so perhaps it may weaken some boundaries of selfhood; kinda like how a concept is nebulous until it's named and classified (hence why some civilisations placed a lot of power in the ability to name things, as it is a way to claim these things as yours)

omg
trans people naming themselves 🤝 spirits putting on their mask
reclaiming their personhood from something that has/had power over them

[frigid tinsel]

And not naming things as to not to invoke the thing

[untold notch]

names myself an adjective like a boss

[rigid mural]

slap a mask on a mass of light and there u go, an ancestor

[frigid tinsel]

Though there are ancestor spirits who don’t wear masks

[rigid mural]

they're powerful

[untold notch]

vela im thinking like. this has the energy of featherless biped classification and i am here for it

[rigid mural]

definitely yoinking that mask idea for non-sky stuff tho

[rigid mural]

diogenes barks and bites like a dog, exactly the kind of energy i like to see

[untold notch]

diogenes does what sorry

[frigid tinsel]

Diogenes did a lot of things that are not Skycord-safe

[rigid mural]

diogenes made his life's purpose to be a nuisance to Plato (i think it was plato), idk why you're surprised he kins dogs