lore-discussion-spoilers

[eternal totem]

What they eat/drink is made out of light, I think it just absorbs itself through their mask onto their shell

[keen shore]

I KNOW I FELT SO BAD, they are together now though if that helps :}

Every relationship (romantic, friend, familial, etc) that you imagine with spirits is always so heartbreaking bc of this reason, and then you remember you relived all the ones you know of and so they are together again and go :}

[untold notch]

I think sky kids should be able to photosynthesize. for fun

[south oracle]

Just be like "SUN"

[eternal totem]

They probably do

[untold notch]

this is good I like this

[frigid tinsel]

All their cosmetics are made of light, so I’ve been thinking that skykids could make their masks immaterial enough to let objects pass through to their mouths

[rigid mural]

had to flip it bc skycord bot is being homophobic but :]

[raw crypt]

WOOOOO

[untold notch]

feeling emotions

[slender panther]

this is real and true i’m a lesbian i can confirm

[sharp lichen]

IS THIS WHAT I THINK THIS ISS

[white junco]

gay people? yeaa

[fickle wing]

GAY EOPLE REAL

[keen shore]

thank you sm for psoring this it helped a lot with my anxiety :}

[rigid mural]

i love that psorntoo 💙

[keen shore]

SO TRUE <3

[rigid iron]

gay eeple <3

[south oracle]

!ts

[pastel brook]

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[eternal totem]

Oh lord it's TS week already

[half zealot]

IS IT I hadn’t even noticed…

[raw crypt]

AH MAN

[white junco]

ah man im still broke

[frigid tinsel]

How’s that tent

[white junco]

😔

[fickle wing]

manifesting leap so we get something other than likes cheese n crackers for their ts hints

[sharp lichen]

TSes? Just hack them into your game

[rigid mural]

Ok ok ok so I noticed you can kinda associate seasons with light and dark right ? They kinda alternate between happier tones and more somber ones, take enchantment which was a bit dark, followed by sanctuary which is obv light, who is followed by prophecy who is more serious then by dreams who is more lighthearted.

from then on you can notice some realms got more "dark" than "light"
isle: prophecy (more serious tone, dark kinda)
prairie: sanctuary (light predominance)
forest: assembly, flight (light)
valley: performance (light)
wasteland: enchantment, abyss (dark)
vault: TLP (dark)

and i dont mean "dark" as in "bad", i mean it more like, the tone is more somber and sad, i find it interesting that seasons alternate between lighthearted and more melancholic tones

[earnest briar]

Imo Flight is a mixture of light and dark. Y’know, because of how opening the Ark tunnel caused the rock and Dark plant build up that trapped a bunch of creatures we needed to save?

[raw crypt]

OH YEAH!!
AND 2022 SEASONS TAKE THEM TO THE EXTREMES its very funny

funny performance season squashed between dying 1 death via big leviathan and dying 1000 deaths via shard

[rigid mural]

Yeah but like, there's still a happy ending with all the little birds being saved and all, plus it's themed around light creatures
I do agree it's not just everything is good in the best of worlds, but my reasoning is that it's light themed

[lethal stump]

abyss and shattering being edgy as hjonk meanwhile performance is just sitting there playing their silly little instruments

[white junco]

getting hit by a shard but in a very silly way

[raw crypt]

hang on my friend said ot funnier

[keen shore]

Flight would probably be light because

• Heavy involvement of light creatures and our help saving them
• We don’t deal with corrupted creatures directly, just clearing away amounts of darkness spread from somewhere else
• Heavy themes of migration and movement
• spirits are very clearly anti darkstone with none of it being present in the wind paths at all

[rigid mural]

obligatory punk flight guide

[keen shore]

EXTREMELY TRUE this person bites transphobes

[rigid mural]

FLIGHT GUIDE DOES NOT TALK TO COPS

[raw crypt]

This makes me wonder what the season after aurora is gonna be, bc i assume aurora is gonna be more lighthearted/light, season of (cdi ganon voice) die

[eternal totem]

Dinner

[rigid iron]

I thought abyss was silly yeah some of the themes were dark but the message overall was very hopeful, unlike shattering which is just "what if eden...but everywhere"

[frigid tinsel]

Well, generally.
Like Flight was a very colorful, bright season. Even through the Wind Paths went dark between quests four and five, it was never meant to be dark, hence those two quests about saving light creatures and chasing out the darkness.

Treasure Reef is still dark even after Abyss quests. Nothing we did made it less dark — in fact, I’d argue we made it more dark by releasing the trapped krill and leviathan. The drowned facility has a dark history. You can still swim down into the depths and be surrounded by darkness. The final quest we went into darkness, not chasing it out.

Performance is often joked about being a dramatic tone shift — hey kids, you may have just gotten traumatized but now it’s time to volunteer at your local theater. Yet the community, friendships, encouragement, and general silliness in the Performance quests are all thematically light. Also the Village Theater was never infected with darkness like the Wind Paths were.

Shattering is dark cos... I mean, look at it.

[keen shore]

I think color palettes are worth mentioning here as well, with darker ones kinda contributing to the vibe of the season (prophecy, abyss, tlp) and lighter and more colorful ones contrasting (flight especially)

although, for some other dark/light seasons mentioned, this falls apart. Personally I can only really see the alternating light/dark theme beginning with tlp, especially because of dreams as it would have fit into the darkness slot but is a lot lighter and happier

in fact I would argue assembly is dark and dreams is light

[raw crypt]

DINNER

i was abt to say idk what I want from a sky season but i remembered my flooded mines idea I NEED MINES FROM ABYSS BUT MORE AND BIGGER i rlly wanna know moreabt the darkstone/light miners, show me evil minerals

[fickle wing]

big fan of how in some of the more darkerish stuff there’s still like
something positive even if it’s small
like yeah abyss is. Yknow but hey those funky pirate fellas got each other

[white junco]

the hc that skykids are close with their first season guide got so much funnier with shattering

[frigid tinsel]

As a TLP moth I did not get attached to the rose. Little French boy, however

[rigid mural]

ALASDAIR YOU GET ME

[white junco]

FRENCH BOY i miss him :(

[keen shore]

YEAH, this made me realize we don’t really restore the abyss ship at all when compared to stuff like the forgotten ark, it’s kinda more like dreams and tlp where it’s character focused, which is a very interesting tidbit

[eternal totem]

Chilling with LS guide while the youngins run around with ominous miniature lamp of the Eden diamond

[rigid mural]

OP might have been a jerk but i do feel a kind of fondness for the season

[rigid iron]

season of prophecy is pretty dark thematically and i think it really needed prophecy guide slipping to offset some of that gloom

[fickle wing]

prophecy gorp

[frigid tinsel]

From what I understand, Season of Prophecy was very serious

[rigid mural]

LIGHTSEEKER 💔
can i sit next to you guys

[eternal totem]

THEYE DID SLIP WHERE IS THE VID

[lethal stump]

prophecy was serious and thats why i loved it

[keen shore]

Everyone talks about propehcy being dark and ominous (like, even the way it’s described in the 2nd performance quest) bc I just remember being like. Omg, these people live with their friends in a cave and wear animal masks and have cool powers how do I join

[rigid iron]

so true

[white junco]

i just remember being like “oh hey a cave. why is fire trial so hard “

[rigid iron]

my most treasured prophecy gorp

[keen shore]

Jealous because your assigned friend is an emotionally manipulative flower arent you . I get THREE FRRIENDS

[frigid tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/probecy-guide-sky-cotl-sky-children-of-the-light-sky-children-of-light-prophecy-guide-gif-24765960

Yes ik embed fail but I knew the gif was on tenor

[eternal totem]

THE SLIPPY

[rigid iron]

Probecy guide :)

[fickle wing]

prophecy being serious is cool n all but yknow what i absolutely adore
all the goofy ts hints n stuff w the prophets like bro…….they’re friends……….

[frigid tinsel]

Okay boomer

[fickle wing]

prophecy w his stageplays is the bit of info of all time

[keen shore]

SAME HERE, the general vibe of extremely serious group goofing off when no one is looking is 10/10
although. given fire prophets memory idk if serious is a word I’d use for them in general

[fickle wing]

all the other prophets r w their students n stuff n it’s mostly serious then this fella is out here like 💪 💪 💪
love them

[rigid iron]

Sad people with dead students stuck in a cave ❌
Silly nerds who do stageplays and play board games and drive around in a minivan ✅

[frigid tinsel]

In media, it’s a good thing to add some comic relief into your dark and dramatic storylines so the audience doesn’t drown in desolation, but not too much so it doesn’t make the plot less serious

[fickle wing]

THE MINIVAN

[keen shore]

I remember seeing someone (idk who it was ages ago) talking about how depressing and sad and ominous it was thst the prophets lived in a cave and I was like… but I want to do that

[eternal totem]

Their own living spaces they had to cut out, damn 😔

[keen shore]

The minivan has to be a convertible because the guides mask wouldn’t fit otherwise

[fickle wing]

i wish i could be in a cave with my friends

[rigid mural]

my assigned friend is someone's ex :(((((((

[rigid iron]

the cave is so swag, i bet they all put their sleeping bags in the middle and then tell stories before bed

[keen shore]

IM STILL SO SAD ABOUT THAT , it’s very unlikely but I live in hope they will be added in the future or that we at least get concepts f them

[eternal totem]

LS guide will adopt you

[rigid iron]

counterpoint, head out the window

[eternal totem]

Hopefully we'll get concepts at least, it better be the most early 2000's teenager type rooms

[frigid tinsel]

I know Prophecy guide’s mask is more likely a jackal but dog behavior

[keen shore]

But all jokes aside. I have never quite understood dark prophecy headcanons like people dying in the trials, mostly because I cannot see any of the prophets killing anyone. I tend to gravitate towards sweet/silly ones instead like the guide being everyone else’s adopted kid that they raised together (Beloved Headcanon)

Headcanon that instead of the trials being a mandatory thing that ancestors in the area had to go to, they were purely by choice and also used for obtaining & honing light magic skills

[eternal totem]

It might've been a misconception from the murals, how those who failed the trials were depicted as fallen

[rigid iron]

same here, some people hc that the prophets sacrificed their students on purpose and I know everyone's headcanons are perfectly valid but i simply choose to believe they didn't know they wouldn't make it back and were very sad about it

[white junco]

sometimes i think about how prophecy guide is facing the spot where all the students gathered in the spirit memories and :(

[rigid mural]

dark i owe u my life

[eternal totem]

WELCOME TO THE FAMILY

[raw crypt]

SAME, i do hc a few (8) died bc nonsense oc and world buidilimg styff but like completely not on purpose completely not intended and things just kinda went bad bc eveyrthing was so shakey at that point in the timeline, prophets r my friends and i like them :]

[frigid tinsel]

imo Lightseeker guide would adopt anyone that asks

[keen shore]

My personal favorite is that the trials are a meditative space similar to the elder cutscenes (a conclusion that makes a lot of sense based on their general appearance) and that because of this “dying” inside feels like dying in a dream — it’s scary but in a muted way, although sometimes it forces you to jolt awake — which would be how you’d “fail”

[keen shore]

YEAHHH i asked about the fallen ones once to clear up if they were actually dead or not because it would have reshaped most of my perceptions of the season and the answer was just that they failed. which I very much get for vagueness reasons but also, Please I need to know

[rigid mural]

IT WOULD MAKE SENSE BECAUSE THE EARTH TRIAL IS ABOUT RESILIENCE RIGHT
so to lose, you have to give up

fire prophet being so friendly... i'd go through their trial solo for a high-five and/or a hug from them

[keen shore]

EXACTLY, I personally feel that the explanation I put makes a lot more sense than “they just died”. Both because of what you mentioned and also because of fire’s (the courage to not wake yourself up at numerous points, as you only get that option once if you were physically stuck there). As well as —

Concepts about trials honing abilities for light and deepening our connection to it, hence why the guide gets a halo, which I personally believe in, because we’re meditating to connect our inner light to the realms inside, like how (I believe) we kinda connect our light to the elders to see them

[rigid mural]

imagining a disciple asking to talk to them, and admitting that while they are aware, they know they are doing this for themselves, they also want to make fire prophet proud of them

[keen shore]

I just enjoy concepts like this where it makes the story more complicated than “everyone dies if they fail, the end”

[keen shore]

YEAH <3

[rigid mural]

I HEADCANON THE GUIDE COMPLETED ALL 4 TRIALS YEAH

[keen shore]

I DO TOO both because it explains the halo and because it’s really funny to imagine that prophecy guide only narrowly avoided getting crowned because they were just a little late

[rigid mural]

perhaps it wasnt about getting a crown

[keen shore]

I agree, I think it would be making the prophets proud for them :] or like, honing their own skills but that’s boring. I do know they’re canonically supposed to be the leader of the group so it also might be a requirement for that.

[rigid mural]

perhaps it's enlightenment, or a means to be eligibe to ascend, perhaps it's a boon, perhaps it's something required to do whatever that trial prodigy did in eden
perhaps they needed to master the elements for something beyond a crown

[keen shore]

The only option here I would disagree with is the second (unless you mean something else than how elders ascend spirits) because it would be super weird for that to be the only way. imagine you die and get shoved into the water trial to ascend.

However the other ones are believable and I think you just fired off a bunch of possibilities without headcanoning/theorizing any specifically, and I agree with that

[rigid mural]

My bad, i did not mean ascend like spirits, i meant like... go from ancestor to something beyond ? Something with enough power to directly change things... like the mural of the mountain that i link to the eden mural

[keen shore]

OH I THINK I GET YOU THEN like, connecting to the light on a much deeper level? maybe getting closer to Megabird and Their knowledge without having to die to do it?

[rigid mural]

YEAH

[keen shore]

What if that’s where they get the prophetic powers from

[rigid mural]

like the orbit water in dair's fic, you can dip in to connect with it without losing your integrity (you still get messed up and overhelmed by the cheer amount of memories in there)

[keen shore]

THATS WHAT I WAS THINKING OF TOO AKDJAOWOADJ

[rigid mural]

alasdair's fics my beloved, hir takes on orbit as well as spade's changed my life i think

the memory soup, made with love 💙

i like to think megabird isnt sentient as a singular entity, but is like those hindu gods who are comprised of aspects, so ascended spirits become an aspect of megabird

[frigid tinsel]

Reminds me of your headcanon that those who absorb colored light into their inner light get personality changes cos they’re “closer” to said light in a way

[keen shore]

atm the actual prophecies shown are just kind of there, not really an explanation on how the prophets Got them besides some loose red light speculation, so this would definitely go a long ways towards explaining that. However, it also raises the question of if Megabird even knows what happens in the future, because that’s required for this explanation to work.

I would guess no because I imagine Them being a conglomerate of memories, not really omniscient but kinda close with all the memories and knowledge of the beings inside them. So they’d know everything in the present and past but not future

[keen shore]

YEAHHHHH THIS IS ONE OF MY FAVORITES THANK YOU FOR REMEMBERING IT

[rigid iron]

It would be hilarious if megabird couldn't even know the future, can you imagine megabird seeing one of the prophets write down a prophecy like "oh fr?"

[rigid mural]

SHHDHDHJDHSHSDHSDHJDHJSHSD

[rigid iron]

megabird copying the prophets' notes

[rigid mural]

if you follow the egg theory (named after a short story) then technically, the prophets being/becoming parts of megabird mean they now feel like they really did write these prophecies

[white junco]

mildly losing it on it being called the egg theory. trans

[rigid mural]

spade, this is Sky

[frigid tinsel]

Yes, and?

[rigid mural]

this game is SO trans funfact i go by they/them because forest elder finished cracking my egg

[white junco]

everytime someone ascends to the light megabird gets slightly more trans

[rigid iron]

oh I love egg theory!! My mind did also jump to trans absolutely i follow both of those

[keen shore]

I’m gonna struggle to explain this I already know but what if there’s like… an already predetermined course of major events that will 100% happen that’s detectable by how the light will work through it. Kind of like how we know our sun is going to die in several billion years, and the universe will likely not last forever, but in a more obvious way because of how deeply light is intertwined with literally everything. Megabird cannot control it but They can vaguely sense it.

[rigid mural]

Look up "The Egg" by Andy Weir ! I really love this short story, basically one contains multitudes, reincarnation, bringing the experience of each life to complete a picture

[keen shore]

You can extend this further if you want to say the universe exists in cycles like how me & vela like to think light works in general. It just repeats itself over and over in a massive endless loop. And so any detections of the future are actually light echoes of the past.

But that’s REALLY out there so it will almost definitely remain as a headcanon

You know what I like this idea so much that I will steal it for a personal story

[rigid iron]

Omg yeah! I also absolutely adore the Kurzgesagt video, the visuals are so gorgeous

[rigid mural]

the light is this thing that looks beautiful at first because of the harmonious life, you zoom out and it's terrifying because we associate loops with unending cycles, then you zoom out and it's beautiful again because of the complexity of these cycles, then again zooming out you're terrified again because everything is so big, then you zoom out and realise it's beautiful and comforting to be part of that world, and so on.......

[rigid mural]

YES THAT'S WHAT INSPIRED ME I LOVE THIS
BEA YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOOD

[keen shore]

YEAH, concept. darkness inevitably being used as a means to stop/slow that cycle because the ancestors wanted to live longer/be more permanent

[rigid mural]

AND THATS WHERE MY IDEA OF DARKNESS NOT BEING INHERENTLY EVIL COMES FROM YEAH

[rigid iron]

Ooooooo

[keen shore]

Googling “am I allowed to steal a magic system if it’s almost all headcanons” because I want to play with this concept to this full potential /j

[rigid mural]

darkness can stop cycles, both good... and bad ! refusal to change in the face of a spiral that can only promise misery, a building withstanding time and erosion, someone that has integrity in the face of manipulation and so on

[white junco]

i had this hc a while back that light just naturally changes in strength over time its like how the tides one night can be higher than on another

[rigid mural]

like i got this whole headcanon ancestors sought out darkness when they stopped migrating with light creatures and sedentarized, because while migratory they could only do rough structures to stop at on their way that they will ultimately leave, now they needed structures that would be inhabited most of the time, so they needed to be sturdy enough to not flow away with the tide of the cycle !

[keen shore]

So many of the magic system headcanons I have about this game are just like. I want to play with and write about them SO BADLY for an original story but the fear that they’re the truth in world makes me too afraid to

[rigid mural]

im just going feral over my theory that our goal is not to push back darkness, but to restore the cycle and balance between light (movement, cycles, change) and darkness (stubborness, resistance, integrity)

[rigid iron]

Oh speaking of light and dark, i'll try to find it but I wrote a whole thing once about how humans being diurnal affects our archetypes for light vs dark and how an intelligent nocturnal creature would associate darkness with food and safety rather than day and therefore have an entirely different type of mythos where dark means good and light means bad

[keen shore]

STEALING THAT REALIZATION EVEN IF I DIDNT KNOW WHAT ID USE IT FOR, imagining it for crepuscular animals like cat

[rigid mural]

YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES

[untold notch]

it's always interesting to see other people's thoughts about the relationship between light and dark

[rigid iron]

Okay here it is, I'll just copy and paste:
I was just talking to my sister about the theory of collective unconscious and I realized how much of Sky is just Jungian archetypes. For those who aren't completely engrossed in random psychology/literary terms, an archetype is a symbol that has universal meaning across cultures because it derives from the collective unconscious, or unconscious human impulses that are universal and not just based off of culture. For example, many mythologies have the wise old man or sage archetype, and it's become a classic literary figure. Light and dark is another one, where light is good and dark is bad because we are diurnal creatures. We are active during the day and cannot see at night, so darkness comes with danger and unease.
Imagine for a second if Sky were made by intelligent nocturnal creatures and it would be completely different. They may associate darkness with safety, food, visibility, and see light as harsh and unlivable. It would be the complete opposite concept. Perhaps Sky: Children of the Dark, where light burns things away, and the extinguishing darkness would be a positive element.
So much of our modern storytelling comes from mythology and oral tradition, and that comes from our experiences as funny apes with bad vision

[untold notch]

because like i have one thought at any given point and that is Final Fantasy 14 and one thing that i always think is interesting is with the difference in the roles of light and dark as forces of activity and inactivity it makes my brain go brr

[keen shore]

Darkness being stillness makes much more sense to me bc of how empty and cold space and death are

[rigid mural]

hollow knight

i cant elaborate on why here, but i got the idea that there are dark creatures that are in pain if not straight up unnatural (krill, dark crabs) and healthy dark creatures that are just vibing (those crabs in sanct that are just little guys and dont attack)

im imagining light creatures typically are herding/flocking/schooling animals (birds, mantas, fish) since light is social, bonds, links eccetera, so naturally they seek out companionship

on the other side, healthy dark creatures would be in the image of solitary animals such as crabs, moose, leopards, lizards and so on, because darkness prefers solitude

and both are healthy given the circumstances of the organisms ! and we also have that duality within ourselves even as social beings, sometimes you need to be alone, oppose the majority or stay strong to not go with the flow

[keen shore]

Darkness cats because they’re solitary and see well in the dark,

[rigid mural]

YOU GET IT AND I LOVE THIS ABOUT SKY

[untold notch]

gods know i could talk about ffxiv lore All Day but one thing i really want to say is that in 14 there are 14 planes, one of which is tipped too far towards light and a second too far towards darkness and the light-aspected plane has areas where life just. cannot exist due to light overpowering everything else and on the dark-aspected plane death is never permanent and you always come back

[rigid mural]

i gtg sleep but lore chat my beloved, convo is super interesting

[hoary flare]

sip

The valley twins are the youngest elders and you can't tell me otherwise

[untold notch]

the absolute chokehold naoki yoshida and his game have on me

[hoary flare]

Also
Kinda pulling some OOB stuff outta nowhere
But
When the valley twins are not busy they go and practice their combat skills privately for something.

I think that they might be some sort of military leaders similar to the wasteland elder.

Which makes me really want to see a real fight scene involving those 2

[cobalt palm]

OMG yes, with the addition that too much light is also a bad thing, take the blinding diamond in the latest shattering memory for instance.
Also Eden if we could ever get there
♦️

[rigid iron]

Yeah!! I've always wondered if a mutually beneficial relationship between a light creature and dark creature would be possible in sky, since we've seen that mantas or butterflies will charge you up if you need it and don't seem to be harmed in the process. If light creatures just naturally shed light and dark creatures seem to need it, it may be possible that a dark creature would be able to feed off of some of that light. Maybe before the balance went all out of wack you could maybe see, for example, the sanctuary crabs digging up shells or small mollusks for the mantas to eat to lure them down and bask in their warmth. Stuff like that.

Butterflies that aren't worth a krill's time to attack nibbling on stuff stuck to their backs and the krill gets a little boost in return

[copper saffron]

wow didnt expect lorechat to get into the psychology of this

[hoary flare]

That makes me think that the abyss creature is somehow an indicator of a similarly gigantic light creature we have yet to see.

[rigid mural]

YOUR MIND

DARK CREATURES REGULATING THE ECOSYSTEM SO LIGHT DOESNT CROWD THE ENTIRE PLACE

Dark creatures and Light creatures living in harmony !
dark tarentulas inviting light frogs in their nest to bask their eggs in their warmth in exchange for protection...

[cobalt palm]

☯

[rigid iron]

YES light frogs

[keen shore]

Psst @tough coral you seem like you’d enjoy this convo

[torn eagle]

Dark and Light Creature Symbiosis? Who's the genius that brought it up Im having a brainrot about it TvT

[hoary flare]

Something outta the blue
Guys
Listen

What if the shattering shop realm is like an indicator of your character's inner turmoil because of the amount of pressure they have with saving the world.

Doesn't really hold up but it's an interesting idea

[white junco]

i actually wrote a poem about the dark/light balance recently ik i dont really have to ask but. can i post

[frigid tinsel]

oh I had been thinking of how there may be multiple planes of existence in Sky given Elders seem stuck in their pocket dimensions, Eden post-stormlock ascension weirdness, the Vault being as it is, and limbo as well as the frozen memories. but perhaps these multiple planes where light and darkness originate. Orbit is the true light plane, limbo is or close to the true darkness plane, and the world exists in the medium between them where light and darkness bleed into and interact. there are, of course, other planes that are closer to light or darkness and other planes apart from the continuum, but the world itself is perfectly between them. darkness rises from the depths, light falls from the sky.

but the world currently has much more darkness in it than light, hence we being pulled into more darkness planes such as limbo after dying, the frozen memories, inside the leviathan, where the Elders are stuck. everything in that void place has been pulled into a darkness plane from the darkness infecting the world.

the Vault is either a light-adjacent plane due to the amount of purple light affecting its state of reality or not on the continuum at all. I'm favoring the former but even though I speak of planes, many planes of existence do not have to be linear

[white junco]

hello

[frigid tinsel]

Spade poems, ily

[rigid iron]

Your poems are always so beautiful

[hoary flare]

Guys

Do you think megabird kinda looks like a black hole or is that just me

[slate saffron]

That's something I'm actually pretty curious about myself! As from what I can tell there are no naturally occurring dark creatures, with them all in some way being the product of a corruption (whether that be the harvesting method utilized by the ancestors or the pollution resulting from it). Beyond that dark creatures don't seem to be capable of much rational thought, with all of them demonstrating high levels of aggression when interacted with & hazy wandering when not (which could be indictive of the corruption that produced them clouding their minds, or game limitations so take that with a grain of salt). so given that, it's hard for me to imagine how a dark-light ecosystem could work as from what I can tell, dark creatures seem more analogous to an invasive species or horde of loaches, decimating the an environment & killing off the local fauna, overtime rendering it unrecognizable from it's former glory before inevitability causing it's collapse.

& since there doesn't really seem to be any light creatures that have been demonstrated to be able to moderate the population of dark creatures, it feels like any dark-light ecosystem is destined for destruction.

[rigid iron]

Maybe true, but I'm an optimist 😁

[hoary flare]

What even is megabird?

Is there a dark megabird?
Is megabird even real?
Are skids just worshiping a bunch of goofy lookin stars?
A nebula maybe?
A black hole?

[slate saffron]

Megabird is pretty evil, so it would make sense/j

[hoary flare]

How is megabird evil?

[frigid tinsel]

yea that's the previous way I had been thinking of the planes where the tangible plane is the world while everything ascends in one direction past it, losing materiality in the process and requiring more mental strength to acess, but not necessarily becoming less real.

what this other theory is that there are two extremes to Skys planes of existence – the darkest and the lightest. the world exists in the middle thus is equally susceptible to both light and darkness cos, since the lightest and darkest planes could be equidistant from each other, both light and darkness has an equal chance of coming into and affecting the world between them, existing in some sort of balance here.

there is also the alternative idea that the world is closer to the lightest plane, hence why light has been so dominant up until the ancestors screwed up. this plane may not have supposed to have so much darkness, but the ancestors opened up an avenue for more darkness to reach farther up the plane continuum.

[slate saffron]

They're constantly sending kids go sacrifice themselves in eden/j

[frigid tinsel]

just you. most often, Megabird is likened to the laniakea supercluster

[hoary flare]

Do you think skids are like
Biblically accurate angels but like

Not really

They have the closest connection to megabird aside from the elders (I think) but they also have minds of their own, express themselves like individuals.

[slate saffron]

I wouldnt be surprised. Sky took a lot of inspiration of Hebrew sources, so it would make sense that skykids are somewhat akin to angels

[frigid tinsel]

not biblically accurate cos they're humanoid. they're cute, not scary. they just look like that. they prob are closer to light by nature due to the flame within them, but idk if I'd call them angelic though it is not the first time I had heard that. as you said, they express themselves as individuals, so they're more more irl human children

[hoary flare]

But the fact that we have such a close connection to megabird and were sent there to restore balance and help spirits get home, really makes me think otherwise. Unless I want to bring up my "wax golem" theory.

[frigid tinsel]

skykids have also been likened to golems, at least their composition. can they not be both though? sent on a mission to help restore light but not purely made of light like ascending post-stormlock from Eden

[hoary flare]

Well, I wouldn't call them golems as I see them as more "homonculi" but the comparison still stands.

[raw crypt]

im a bit late and this arts old but its fun to think of naturally occuring dark creatures with a proper ecosystem, my darkness is a lot more solid and rigid so i thought itd be fun that an uncorrupted krill would be very similar but less rigid, worm off the string rlly LOL

[frigid tinsel]

golems in the classic sense – animate beings made out of inanimate objects. skykids have been called clay, stone, and wax golems by different theories. I have my own thoughts on that but regardless it doesn't make them any less angelic or take away from their connection from the light since they're filled with light.

[hoary flare]

They are little humanoid creatures that have come to life through artificial means, aka homonculis (at least that's what I remember the definition being)

[frigid tinsel]

well, by definition, skykids may be both golems and homunculi

[hoary flare]

Golunculi

[frigid tinsel]

golems can look humanoid and while it looks like a homunculus is technically a small or abstract human (and I don't see skykids as human, just humanoid, but I digress) both terms can apply to skykids depending on how you look at them

[hoary flare]

That does give me a headcanon though

Skids are made by the spirits using either clay or wax, and they pretty much let megabird itself bring it to life and send it down to the kingdom

[frigid tinsel]

perhaps that could be how ancestor children were made given there's a chance living ancestors weren't biological either – for example, see Vela's lanternfolk headcanon – but skykids are fallen stars. the spirits, being on the world, couldn't have constructed their physical bodies. skykids bodies likely formed upon hitting the ground

[hoary flare]

Kinda like how lightning makes glass when it strikes sand!

That gives me a headcanon for the 3 different types of skids

Clay skids that were made by the hands of the spirits, made for protection and combat to protect the kingdom itself

Wax skids that were made by the spirits to be more like scouts and information gatherers

And star skids that are a mix of the two, except not made by the hands of spirits, but by the star they came from

Clay and wax skids are near impossible to find and are akin to legends.

[frigid tinsel]

My Working Theory on the Composition of a Skykid
–clothing, hair, masks & other cosmetics made of light.
–a humanoid physical shell made of some magic-induced earthen material (i.e. clay, stone, ash, charcoal, meteorite) that has a hole in the chest and eyes.
–the hollow shell is full of light, such as winged light and neutral light.
–their cape, a manifestation of winged light.
–their flame, manifesting as the light in the hole in their chest and held outside their bodies via a red candle.
–their soul, appearing as a blue sparkle.

[hoary flare]

How would the cape be able to change cosmetically?

[frigid tinsel]

skykids have light manipulation abilities. personally I think they manipulate winged light to alter their cape's shape and neutral light to affect the cape's color. you see, when skykids are extinguished, their cape loses color but not shape

[hoary flare]

Oh ok

[snow cosmos]

i wish i got to be friends with an emotionally manipulative flower, instead i got a pretty rock that tries to kill me literally on the daily

[untold notch]

my friend is a sports mom

[lethal stump]

my assigned friend is a sad wizard

[fickle wing]

sitting here drinking a pina colada with traveling merchant wearing a manta cape

[jolly phoenix]

man i love doing the chacha slide

[steep prawn]

my friend is apprentice of an elder

[tough coral]

HEHEHEHE sorry i missed it, i was robloxing with some pals- but i am ALL FOR seeing dark creatures in a more natural light- whether they're corrupted or made from the darkness theyre just as much of an animal as a manta and a bird and i LOVE seeing takes that treat them that way

it means a ton that u pinged me btw. like knowing that some1 saw a conversation and thought i'd wanna see it genuinely made my day

[crude flame]

I know I’m late to the party, but one take I’ve had regarding the relationship between light and dark goes something like this:
The relationship is somewhat symbiotic, but also functions as a predator vs prey type of scenario. Light can overpower darkness, just as easily as darkness can consume light. Basically lesser than or greater than in terms of power. Like: butterflies < dark plants, dark plants, < candle flame, etc.
Seeing as how darkness is a natural part of Sky’s ecosystem, considering Darkstone is a natural resource, it isn’t inherently evil, nor necessarily the one solely at fault for corruption.
Some light creatures may have hard outer shells, particularly around their faces, and dark plants may be especially flexible compared to the likes of Darkstone. The two can share each other’s qualities of softness or hardness. Light can also share it’s energy with darkness, giving it the consciousness, fluidity and ability to move. While darkness can grant light it’s tough outer shell, as opposed to the fragile one it normally has.
Their relationship doesn’t have to be inherently negative, but rather, a balance that must be maintained in order to remain harmonious.

Yet, if the two combine in an unfavorable way, and fail to sustain that balance, corruption is inbound, which means that “corruption” is technically a two-way street for them, as light would be capable of corrupting darkness, the same way darkness can corrupt light. If there’s too much of one compared to the other, it can kill, as mentioned above, but it can also corrupt. Making darkness no longer solely at fault, but rather, the imbalance of light and dark together. The imbalanced combination of the two creating corrupted creatures also reflects how light and dark are two forces that are dependent on each other, yet cannot be outright combined in our own reality.
Feel free to poke holes in this, I’m curious to hear others’ thoughts because I’m not really sure if it holds any water at all, and I’m also curious to know if there’s any problems with it that I’m not seeing, I kind of just Sky brain rot in my own little corner of interpretations, and back to that corner I go
I suppose you can simply take this as more food for discussion if anyone wants it

[round parrot]

Here are my thoughts; Yes, I understand that light and darkness exist to balance each other out, we (potentially) know where light come from, but I am not so sure about darkness, were they the cost for light's existence? Or did something bring it here?

[snow cosmos]

conceptually, darkness is the result of light. ignite a flame, cast a shadow. in terms of corruption (as we see it in-game), i'd say that's darkness getting out of balance as an equal and opposite reaction to an attempt to industrialize light production

[crude flame]

I don’t know if there’s a canonical explanation for it as of yet, and others can feel free to correct me, but to me, I personally tend to think that darkness is necessary for light’s existence, in the sense that light always casts a shadow!
Where exactly it comes from aside from that though, I have no idea

[round parrot]

Fire doesn't cast a shadow iirc, it does however, cast a shadow to opaque things, perhaps the ancestors (not intentionally) helped the creation of darkness?

[snow cosmos]

that's what i was trying to get at, fire itself doesn't cast a shadow but the body of a candle would

[rapid arrow]

Random thought relating to this conversation (and it’s a bit weird) what if the reason why they industrialized light is because they were scared of the dark (mood) and often times the reason why people are scared of something is because they don’t understand it

[snow cosmos]

on an unrelated note, i've decided i'm developing a Vault spirit oc because I can't be stopped

[rapid arrow]

Yesssss

[untold notch]

ocs abound

in the vein of ocs i gave this person different horns and i still need a name for them

[snow cosmos]

notes so far:

Title: Amnesic Archivist

Found in an area of Vault next to the Archive door and opposite the entrance to the Secret Area/Office called the Stacks

The Stacks are full of shelves upon shelves of damaged memory cubes - maybe we need to unlock them to complete an overarching task?

They have complete memory loss

To help them we have to:

• Go through the other areas of the Vault and collect a memory from each worker (Praying Acolyte, Levitating Adept, Meditating Monastic, Polite Scholar)

• Help them sort through the memories to figure out what their role was

Finishing their memory unlocks the ability to open Memory Cubes

[untold notch]

oh i didnt read spirit at first oh neurons are firing birdlem

[snow cosmos]

i have one brain cell that pings around my skull like a Windows screensaver
every now and then it hits the corner perfectly and i have an Idea

[untold notch]

it really be like that

[crude flame]

You just described how I feel sometimes so perfectly

[untold notch]

ohhh I have so many ideas that are pieces of ideas

I need to figure out what you would get for reliving the spirit first off

[wintry coral]

someone should write a book abt the lore so i can read all of it and be caught up 🧍

[round parrot]

Honestly if there was, Lorechat would singlehandedly make trees go extinct /lh

Unless you mean a document, then that would save the trees

[crude flame]

From my understanding, the thing about Sky’s lore is that it’s so open to interpretation that what is truly canon is very small, at least in comparison to the theories and headcanons, which are super extensive, because people are just so darn creative

[untold notch]

California girls dance spirit /hj

[snow cosmos]

rough appearance concept

disheveled hair
vault-standard headpiece
robes
cape is a stand-in (i'm imagining it looking like book pages)
memory cube prop
tired/dazed/confused facial expression

[untold notch]

there are so many decisions to make in creating an oc actually

i made something. a performer of some kind

[snow cosmos]

did you mean: a whole cutie

[untold notch]

why not both anyways i now have two whole ocs without names i must fix this

[snow cosmos]

god relatable
i just give them descriptors until i find a good name

[untold notch]

I mean the idol character is a spirit

[snow cosmos]

could be something like Captivating Idol

[untold notch]

I think they give you a jumping and waving fists emote like what you might see at a concert

[snow cosmos]

oh nice, maybe something like Enthusiastic then?

[untold notch]

Enthusiastic Idol works yeah

naturally I/we must make the rest of the band now (I think they would have a microphone but there isn't a microphone prop so)

[snow cosmos]

there isn't a microphone prop yet you mean

[untold notch]

of course

[snow cosmos]

I could see Concentrating Keyboardist
with a keyboard instrument (not piano, keyboard) and an intense stare emote

one of them could be a sibling of Mellow Musician

[untold notch]

i thought of that immediately when you said concentrating keyboardist

[tepid sedge]

So I have a theory on the little light circles on the sky kids chest, do y'all mind if I share it?

[snow cosmos]

fine by me!

[tepid veldt]

please do! i have nothing better to do at 12:35am

[untold notch]

Rocking Guitarist

[tepid sedge]

So, from what I've noticed in my game play over the last couple of months is that whenever you take out your red candle the circle on your chest dissapears, and when you put it back, the circle reappears and your character puts their hand on the spot it should be, like they're putting it back. So I have a theory that these candles are somewhat like a soul, so when you go to light someone up and see them, they're sharing a small piece of their soul to show you their trueself, kind of like a trust exercise. A better way to describe it is "Hey, you were really nice to me, here's how I truly am, hope you accept me." Sorry if this doesn't make sense, it's like 1:40am

[untold notch]

they give an air guitar emote

[snow cosmos]

upgraded emote is the knee-slide thing

[untold notch]

I need to stop almost gendering the spirits that I Made

[snow cosmos]

oh god relatable, i definitely understand that

[untold notch]

now I just need a drummer to complete the quartet

[snow cosmos]

Flailing Drummer - their deal is that they have so much energy and they need a bit of help staying on beat but they're doing their best

[untold notch]

i feel like i want a more subdued character tho because we have two really energetic spirits already

[snow cosmos]

oh mega valid, drumming is pretty high-energy as an activity so maybe something that flips that?

short cape that doesn't get in the way, headphones to protect ears

[untold notch]

my original was fire prophet pants but once i saw assembly pants i knew that was good. also all of them have days of rainbow cosmetics and this ended up being the last one available </3 i might switch some around

[snow cosmos]

oooooh i like them a lot

[untold notch]

they are So Cool all of the bands fans agree that they are the Coolest

[snow cosmos]

mellow musician is so proud of their sibling and their friends

[untold notch]

also im a big fan of how we both independently arrived at the sunglasses mask

[snow cosmos]

maybe try switching the headphones onto drummer and the cape onto keyboardist if you wanna go short cape on drummer?

[untold notch]

that might work yeah

[snow cosmos]

yeti pants could also work rly well on one of these guys

[untold notch]

woo

[snow cosmos]

there we go!

or wait, does guitarist have a rainbow piece? cause they could also rock the cape, depending on your preference

[untold notch]

the guitarist has the earring and i also just remembered the braid piece exists im switching things around

[snow cosmos]

ohhh perfect

[untold notch]

i wanted to give the drummer some red because they also all have red

people go on Sky Twitter and be like "they're a 10 but they wear a fish cape"

i think im happiest with the singer and the guitarist the pianist and the drummer arent peak to me but i can work on that when its not Very Late O'Clock

[snow cosmos]

big agree, i just tried drummer but with prince scarf and i like that look personally, balances the red and yellow

but yeah i should get to bed too, it's past 2 am for me

[untold notch]

finally a combination of cosmetics in which the drum is visible

i underestimated just how many days of rainbow cosmetics there are. something to think about

i also solved the problem of the idol and drummer having the same cosmetic

[snow cosmos]

excellent!

[untold notch]

"I should go to bed"
"I should also go to bed"
(narrator voice) and then neither of them did.

[snow cosmos]

wheeze

oooh keyboardist could also use the red fox mask

[untold notch]

concentrating keyboardist was the one i envisioned as mellow musician's sibling and thats why i gave them their mask

[snow cosmos]

ohhhhh fair fair fair, nvm!
i saw mellow's hair on drummer and got confused lol

[untold notch]

completely understandable (I was gonna say something about as a sibling I'd never do that but my twin and I have literally the same hair in opposite directions)

[snow cosmos]

drummer copying mellow's hair cause they look up to them and keyboardist going "dude srsly"

[untold notch]

drummer is The Coolest to everyone except themself and mellow is also very cool

[snow cosmos]

as a fellow artist, keyboardist thinks mellow is Very Cool
as a sibling, they're an Absolute Idiot /affectionate

[untold notch]

gods if thats not just how it is sometimes

mellow is older

[snow cosmos]

keyboardist and co are like, kids/teens starting a band in their garage, and by the end of the season they're headlining at the coliseum

[untold notch]

i need to give the drummer an adjective (and this is rlly minor but it would be cool if their adjectives spelled out their band name)

could also use their names for the band name if more letters are needed but hmm

[snow cosmos]

yoooooo yes
okay we've got

Enthusiastic
Rocking
Concentrating
.... something that starts with a U? for CURE?

[untold notch]

your mind is so huge i was thinking like. (w)rec(k) or something but that wouldve been tricky

[snow cosmos]

hehehehe >:3
Unrelenting? like rhythmically?

[untold notch]

this is the best this is so great

[snow cosmos]

they could write songs about the corruption issue and have this whole environmental spin on the band, cause they're looking for a CURE

[untold notch]

brainrotting is so much fun when you do it with other people

crazy that the mellow/keyboardist family has two minivan performing troupes

[snow cosmos]

right?? what a wild coincidence
mellow Definitely Doesn't let the kids borrow the Performance van

[untold notch]

they could probably team up too or like the performance crew helps them record mvs

[snow cosmos]

i'm screaming internally this is so good

[untold notch]

im starting to get tired for real this time tho so ill probably sleep soon

[snow cosmos]

yeah me too i just ate so my body will stop being hungry and let me sleep
this has been so much fun tho

[untold notch]

definitely

[snow cosmos]

sleep well!

[untold notch]

you too whenever that happens

[sharp lichen]

Yeah, I wonder if Sky lore was more clearly explained this channel would be dead

[marble lynx]

Indeed

[marble lynx]

And no good headcanons, theories, and fantastic fanfics

[tepid veldt]

where would we go if this channel didnt exist

[eternal totem]

I don't think it would be dead, just down on a different path

[white junco]

yeah there’d still be theories, they just wouldn’t be about big overarching things that really should have some explanation

other fandom’s lore: we decoded the in-game alphabet!
sky lore: hey guys so what exactly do you think caused the world to end

[rigid mural]

Other videogames: «we helpfully put lore together on a handy site so everything is at hand :)»
Sky: «browse through 2 years of social media to find one (1) crumb»

[round parrot]

Sky lore is that vague, kids ✨

[noble ferry]

sky lore is everyone putting together their brain cells to try to get some answers but then concluding by giving up and just making up random stuff up at this point

[snow cosmos]

other games: here's the history of the world!
sky: the gods have names probably

[rigid mural]

Sky lore, where even devs have headcanons about what happened

[keen shore]

I can’t decide how to feel abt the vagueness because I want to know everything but also, I’d be grumpy if some of my cool headcanons were wrong + not being able to theorize abt as much with my friends.

I really enjoy small confirmed details though :} like the character card hints for example. Someday I hope we’d get those for pre-flight seasonal spirits - even just the hints and no art would be awesome

The duality of I Need To Know Every Little Detail but also I have so much fun making up headcanons abt everything

[snow cosmos]

i think my personal compromise would be "tell me about the plot, but let me build the world"

[keen shore]

I GET THAT but also like, the plot is so intertwined with the world that I feel like you’d accidentally pull up both

[snow cosmos]

fair

[keen shore]

There are some things which we definitely need more infobits on, just because there’s barely any already. i want to know more abt the pre disaster world and history for example

[snow cosmos]

i like theorizing and figuring out things about how the ancestors lived but i also want more solid information on the war

[keen shore]

EXACTLY I’d like more information just because we dont have enough to make more than basic theories atm

[rigid mural]

I forgot if it was Jenova Chen or someone else, but I think someone at TGC described Sky like a theme park where you can pick which ride to go on.

The comparison irked me because it broke the immersion for me & diminished the importance of the story of the kingdom, but maybe TGC doesn't see Sky the way we do; maybe they're adding stuff to fit realm themes to inspire us and evoke feelings more than to explain the lore.

[snow cosmos]

i do remember hearing somewhere something about emotional beats being higher priority than story ones i think? might be misremembering tho

[keen shore]

I kinda suspected the second paragraph already, and thought about t a lot. personally I’d be ok with that though! this channel is just what it inspires us to do if that makes sense :}

I’d still adore a concrete story, don’t get me wrong, I’m just not as angry at sky being more for inspiration than concrete lore as I thought I’d be.

[rigid mural]

Don't think they would change direction if I'm right and tbh, it's their game, but I do really appreciate that we're seen and that they drop us a crumb from time to time.

[snow cosmos]

that process and those priorities may have also changed over the course of development, to be fair - i think probably hitting the emotional beats was a huge priority during pre-release testing, but now that they've got those more or less nailed down they might be able/willing to focus on lore development

[keen shore]

Yeah that also makes sense! You can definitely see the lore getting more developed and thought out as the game was out further. Animal masks are a great example of this, where what jobs meant what animal got thought about more over time

[compact shale]

Sky lore, God cannot save us

[rigid mural]

To be honest you could have your cake and eat it, on balancing story beats and lore.

Look at the switch trailer and what I assume is the upcoming Playstation one, it would be really cool to have TGC tell their story through other media as well ! No preset beat to follow.

[snow cosmos]

if i had to guess, i'd say the primary purpose of the basegame is to take us on an emotional journey more than through a story, and the seasons have been like lore/worldbuilding expansion packs

[compact shale]

I'm still confident in the theory that they'll release their lore docs when Sky shuts down

[soft timber]

That is only a theory, a Sky theory

[pastel brook]

We ask everyone to please post only in English on this server, @north solar. Unfortunately, moderators and staff aren't able to support all the languages spoken by our global Sky family.

[keen shore]

I AGREE, I do think they started thinking about the lore more for the seasons — mostly because they needed to in order to make each season work in the existing world. Idk how much lore was thought about for gratitude (it’s still hard to figure out) but there were some thoughts on how to make the season work for lightseekers, like especially the thought that they existed in the first place, and then it really started kicking up around enchantment.

It’s entirely possible that part of the reason enchantment is better at relaying the story in game is just because they figured out they needed a seasonal area to do environmental storytelling in, and also quests separate from spirit memories, which would need to be in the area so that players would find them without the quest hints

[rigid mural]

LIGHTSEEKERS 💙💙💙
I hope they come back for Bloom next year, I miss them already

[snow cosmos]

patient zero, ladies and gentlefolk /lh

[rigid mural]

I'm going to attack you like a rabid crab.

[keen shore]

It’s ok I am happily infected as well, me too Vela

[snow cosmos]

do it, spread the sickness

[keen shore]

I already did and I think it was entirely from bullying crab whisperer

[compact shale]

What I've heard about Gratitude is that

1. They have the color scheme of Sky candles
2. The Gratitude bells are what you hear when you purchase something and it rains down on you

[rigid mural]

Oh ! You also hear bells at some wax events, though it seems to change between them and the handpan.

Granny shakes a bell just like you do when reliving a gratitude spirit too, so bells could be associated with beckoning groups of folks (wax events, belonging) or creatures (prairie village, forest boneyard)

[snow cosmos]

oh, speaking of sickness and entirely unrelated to anything else, i have a proposed name for the process of skids losing their light in forest: rainrot (this is mostly a joke but also a little bit not)

[keen shore]

Headcanon that bells attract skykids like they do light creatures and that’s why the bell is there

[eternal totem]

You're ringing the same bell Grandma granted you, you're given the bell at the beginning cutscene of Belonging, it would funny if the bell can only work on the folk from the same family

[compact shale]

So bells are the psps of the Sky kingdom?

[eternal totem]

Perhaps

(I couldn't finish the season so I technically never returned the bell, it's still with me in spirit)

[rigid mural]

Oh
Oh
Grandma nooooo
https://youtu.be/TRhW50Uz8sM

They look so sad, I hope seeing skykids everyday cheers them up...

The song of Lightseeker one (of course I had to re-watch it) sounds a bit ominous at the end, kinda like a beautiful day with storm clouds on the horizon. Hope they re-use it !
https://youtu.be/uUuDs4cW_f0

[eternal totem]

The end cutscene will have the family reunited, as you return the bell back to Grandma you'll be invited to sit down with them, unfortunately I never saw it as end cutscene were tied to AP

[keen shore]

This reminds me a lot of the assembly opening cutscene which is also super heartbreaking. just the same kind of concept with the guide sitting where their friends/family used to be and are now fond

[rigid mural]

I KNOW I SAW IT AND IM FILING FOR ADOPTION

[keen shore]

THE ASSEMBLY CUTSCENE IS STILL MY FAVORITE JUST BECAUSE OF HOW HEARTBREAKING IT IS,

[eternal totem]

A couple of scouts do sit at the table

[rigid mural]

WHAT
I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT ??? DID THEY START DOING IT TODAY ???

[compact shale]

EXTRA CHAIRS! EXTRA CHAIRS!

MAN I BET BOTANIST IS HAPPY THEY DONT HAVE TO COOK TODAY

[rigid mural]

The assembly kids are so cute

[keen shore]

I KNOW RIGHT

[snow cosmos]

i like how they added extra chairs as if we use the ones we have- everyone knows the proper etiquette is to stand on the table

[eternal totem]

They politely bow before they enter too, haha, we just jam ourselves there

[compact shale]

On witnessing the other children stand on the table

Botanist just sits there because they've seen this before while Chuckle tries to make a joke about it

[snow cosmos]

headcanon that the Assembly kids are friends with the kids from Belonging and that's why they're comfortable going to Grandma's for food

alternative headcanon that sharing food is just part of Ancestor culture and there'd be no reason to feel awkward about accepting it from someone

[eternal totem]

In what culture sharing food is not normal? 😳

[tribal forge]

So I've been chatting for more than a hour with a friend of mine about lore and we came up with some theories

Lmao it's not major lore stuff but still something

We talked about creatures mainly krills and whales

[snow cosmos]

i guess sharing food is pretty normal but sharing it with strangers/non-family is usually seen as exceptionally kind rather than the norm, at least how i grew up

then again, i also grew up with the idea that if you accept something from someone, you owe them something, so there's a bit of automatic "oh no i'm fine it's okay" for me

[sharp lichen]

Spill

[tribal forge]

So I've come up with this:
Krills are eden spawns and they're attracted by decay and destruction, this explains why they started to nest in wastelands: they got attracted there by the war (which led to the development of long ranged weapons such as spears to fight off the krills)
Krills are also creatures made completely of darkness, a species apart from the others and not corrupted light creatures, this explains why we see a small sized krill in one of the season of the abyss memories (its probably a hatchling)

The bones found in graveyard and vault could belong to a massive creature that got extinct by the time the game takes place (the switch trailer does show a creature that does not appear anywhere in the game) OR if not that the bones could belong to a full grown whale meaning that the whales live for an astronomical amount of time explaining why there are only a few of them here and there and why they appear smaller than the bones

Also I think that the graveyard is a place where all whales go when they sense that their end is near

Sorry for the wall of text

We've also talked about some other stuff but they're still in beta so I don't think I can talk about it here

It was about the elders and the eye of eden tho

[hushed steeple]

Hey Lorechat! Lately I've been thinking of abt the peculiarity that is the Season of Shattering. With no spirits and memories polarizing themselves into light and dark, without mentioning the 'Ancient Memories', this season is rich in lore tough quite mangled up.

My theory is that each ancient memory comes from ancestors living in Mt Eden, as I like to call it. This would not only explain why we can't relive any spirit's memory in the realm, (aside from the pain and stress reliving those memories can cause). My theory is that these ancestors were sucked into the Eden Crystal, their memories caught upon the Hell that is, probably, being stuck in a darkstone crystal.

The Jelly Memory is reminicent of a spirit seeing Jellies ascend into Eden, somewhere they could slip trough the Turrets, the Manta memory is probably a manta herder who helped light creatures get trough the Turrets who got sucked in oooor a 'shapeshifter' like Rythm Guide and was harvested to create the crystal, the Krill is probably a kid's memory of seeing all hell break loose and his imminent death, the crab one I'm unsure of

[marble lynx]

I heard that everything in the Ancient Memories has a timeline but they are scattered in different parts

[tribal forge]

I love this theory

[rigid mural]

Had a headcanon that ancestors living in the forest actually are really warm and welcoming because someone left to fend for themselves in this environment would surely perish.

That, and the description for the orange light found in this realm... yeah

[eternal totem]

Oh I see what you meant, it is normal to share with distant relatives/neighbors & strangers (to an extent) here
When my grandma was young she used to cook for the whole village, I'm reminded of her when I see Sky's Grandma

[keen shore]

I agree with this and also for isle, although that would be more bc of like closer to the light stuff than a harsh environment (at least to begin with).

i wonder how wasteland would work because it would also be a harsh environment but like. The only spirit group from wasteland that we see loves to commit theft

[hushed steeple]

Well the thing is that Sky is based upon certain asian cultures, such as Tibetan culture and Steppe Nomadic Culture, mongolian I presume (based on flight outfits), which I've been reading about and most of them are some of the most hospitable and welcoming cultures!

[keen shore]

After all… Why do you think the enchantment soup pot is so large

[eternal totem]

To cook rice

No really, during weddings here we cook large portion of rice in really big massive pots

[rigid mural]

I forgot in which server I said so but I think I talked about how wasteland folks could be wary of total strangers asking for ressources in an environment that doesn't have much to start with, but among themselves, their friends and the rest of their community they would share almost everything.

[keen shore]

YEAHHH THAT MAKES SENSE it definitely fits a lot better!! Ty!!

[hushed steeple]

Ooh, in my culture the host was charged to feed the farmhands in addition to paying them for their work. My great-grandma would have big pots full of soups and milk stew, which my father would help around with, to feed the workers!

[rigid mural]

Cooking for a lot of people is really fun because you don't have to worry about making too much food or using too many pots and pans for a single person; imagining wasteland communities having a giant communal pot or wok to cook meals in.

[hushed steeple]

Wasn't Wasteland a green lush prairie?, I'm talking abt switch trailer

[keen shore]

No, that’s Isle! You can recognize it by the landmarks :}

[hushed steeple]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KevTXLvpmVI&ab_channel=thatgamecompany, check 0,18 (I was pointing out the wrong trailer)

[snow cosmos]

that does look like a pre-war Battlefield, and the awnings and drapery look a lot like the style we see at Ark

[hushed steeple]

True!

[slate saffron]

Stop judging my soup pot.

[untold notch]

i am still thinking about CURE

[snow cosmos]

CURE beloveds

[untold notch]

I think they could use a bassist but I'm fresh out of appearance ideas

could be the season guide tbh

[snow cosmos]

oooh yes!! i could try and come up with something if you want

or- what if the guide was their manager?

[snow cosmos]

here are two possibilities (i couldn't remember which cosmetics we already used)
1 has rainbow braid and cape, 2 has rainbow hair and braid
from what i remember keyboardist has both hair and cape, so maybe those could be split up? i dunno, i'm just spitballing

[untold notch]

the bassist can have the cape and braid I think

[snow cosmos]

sweet!

[untold notch]

granted if this is a season theyd all have like. Cosmetics but

[snow cosmos]

naturally
we work with what we have

bassist's adjective could start with an S if we want the band to be called CURES

[hushed steeple]

If I may interject it may be a singer? Singing Bassist

[snow cosmos]

we've got Enthusiastic Idol already i believe, but a backup singer bassist could be cool!

plus Idol gives a jumping up and down emote, so a singing emote from Bassist would also fit

[hushed steeple]

So are you doing a season?

[snow cosmos]

something like that! it's mostly @untold notch's brainbaby, i've just been stirring the pot so to speak

[hushed steeple]

Ahhh! What is it abt?

[untold notch]

we're giving the people what they want and what they want is performance 2

[hushed steeple]

So are you creating your own cosmetics?(sound really cool, the idea)

[snow cosmos]

short version: mellow musician's younger sibling is starting an (environmentally-themed?) garage band with their friends called CURE(S)

[untold notch]

no i cant draw im just having thoughts

the enthusiastic idol would have a microphone instrument and the bassist would have a bass guitar this i know

[rapid arrow]

Little headcanon
Skykids bonking each other’s mask to show appreciation and love

[untold notch]

like cats

[keen shore]

Are we talking rubbing their cheeks against them like cats or bonking foreheads

Or the third option, running at each other and headbutting like goats

[compact shale]

I thought we were talking about them taking off their masks and slapping them against each other

[frigid tinsel]

I’ve had the thought that ancestors and, by extension, skykids would press their foreheads together for that same reason

[marsh comet]

Sorry if this has been answered before, what is the manta thing the skykid was riding in the switch trailer? It had a searchlight like a krill.

[keen shore]

The creature unfortunately doesn’t have a name yet + we don’t know a lot about it as that’s the only time it’s appeared, but there are theories abt it being what krill looked like when uncorrupted :]!

No need to apologize btw, we get asked the same questions a lot, and this one isn’t even all that common.

[marsh comet]

Oki thanks! 😄

[keen shore]

No problem! If you have any more questions I’d be happy to help :]

[uncut pond]

What do y'all think an hypothetical Valley Elder(s) mask would look like?

I've tried to come up with a design but like
It's atrocious
And I'm really bad at designing stuff (I'm not creative at all)
So because lorechat tends to come up with great ideas for designs and stuff related to lore I'm asking here

[keen shore]

The more I think the more I have no ideas that aren’t just like, a solid block of light with one horn covering the whole face. My best guess would be horned masks similar to the ones in valleu (I can’t remember who has them, but they’re like fainting warriors but cover less of the face and have smaller horns)

[uncut pond]

That's actually a really good idea how in the world haven't I thought of that before

[keen shore]

Tbf the elders do not have them at all so it’s easy to forget they exist

The other options are these like… spiky/plumed helmets that you see the coli statues wear and also both twins in their mural in the vault cutscene, but those have a similar problem to the basic masks in that they’re absolutely huge in the amount of area they cover

[uncut pond]

Wait wait what if it was like what you described but it only covers one half of the face and it has like the horn on the side that isn't covered

[keen shore]

Also I hate that this is the conversation that made me realize that the triangles on twirling champions masks are just the twins faces, like how they are on the realm doors

[rigid mural]

Skykids pressing foreheads with ancestor spirits they grew close to,,,

[snow cosmos]

this but Ponyo is an ancestor ascending

[keen shore]

Based on how light recharging works, physical contact has got to be super common in this world as a whole. Literally curing colds by giving your friend a hug

[rigid mural]

YES YOU GET IT

[frigid tinsel]

Yes yes yes like that.
Even like dramatic falling from midair head pressing or just holding each other’s hairs and spinning. Gets me soft

[snow cosmos]

this but ancestorssss

[frigid tinsel]

🥺

[rigid mural]

YES YOU GET IT

[snow cosmos]

we are on the same wavelength

[keen shore]

Levitating adept learned levitation magic so that they could make their short friends float to adequately hug them

[rigid mural]

[frigid tinsel]

So who else is touch-starved

[rigid mural]

Like this ?

[snow cosmos]

vela how absolutely dare you /positive

[keen shore]

AWWWWWWWW brb sobbing

[frigid tinsel]

Vela

This is so sweet oml, crying

[keen shore]

Every time I look at this image I melt into a pile of goo /positive

[frigid tinsel]

Sneaky Survivor, my beloved

[keen shore]

I KNOW RIGHT I feel like they would help out strangers and skykids if they needed it, like how we were talking about ancestors in forest doing earlier

[rigid mural]

I want to provide them somewhere cozy to rest at, they look like they went through some stuff and try to look tough for skykids.

[keen shore]

Headcanon that they were also in the wastes sneaking through and trying to help people

[rigid mural]

Also I get emotional whenever my doodles make people feel things, thank you, love you guys

[frigid tinsel]

I like to imagine they’re usually the one who pops up in Orbit to console Amander, not in a sweetly way but to motivate them, reminding them that they’re strong and capable

[keen shore]

Ricochet damage from our emotions

[rigid mural]

Sneaky Survivor gets stuff from the top shelf for Courageous Soldier

[keen shore]

I don’t remember why but as a moth I just immediately assumed they were friends and didn’t really question it

[eternal totem]

I think the Survivor relive used to start where the Soldier left off

[frigid tinsel]

Given by the amount of reacts to my message, I think we need a lorechat cuddle pile

[snow cosmos]

lorechat assembly when

[eternal totem]

I maaay be wrong, but I remember it being that way for some reason

[keen shore]

I’m not touch starved but I want to join

[eternal totem]

Well can't find anything on it but it's pretty common that Survivor & Soldier are considered friends either way

[keen shore]

So true, I have always considered them friends without really questioning it, glad to see I am correct /hj

[eternal totem]

Friendship so strong I hallucinated a false relive

[compact shale]

I vaguely remember there's someone out there who in summary believes that Assembly camp is actually Lightseeker boot camp but personally I don't believe it

[snow cosmos]

oh i meant like a Sky Assembly but for lorechat, but this is a nifty idea i hadn't thought about

[keen shore]

I DO,

[compact shale]

That would be cool but hella chaotic

What would be our workshop? Memory cube making?

[snow cosmos]

y e s
or lore-writing, but we already do that lmao

[compact shale]

Or

Memory cubes that sort of work but in a gimmicky way

[snow cosmos]

memory cubes that are essentially boxes with writing or mini-dioramas on the inside, like?

[rigid mural]

I am okay at arts and crafts, could teach you how to make a bird origami

[uncut pond]

Memory cube that has an mp3 inside and plays the DooM lore each time you touch the cube

[eternal totem]

Memory cube that unveils Student's secret own written fanfictions

[snow cosmos]

so i'm looking at Tom Zhao's concept art for memory cubes and
it looks like maybe they don't open per se, but activate? i'm thinking of holocrons from Star Wars

[compact shale]

Same on the first part except I can't teach you anything I do

[frigid tinsel]

Yea, they’re supposed to project whatever is stored inside. Yet we haven’t been able to activate them

[snow cosmos]

ahh okay! i see, that's super interesting. i'd never seen the art for the mechanics of them

[compact shale]

Imagine the horrifying twist when we open a memory cube and realize

It's the brain storage of a dead ancestor

[snow cosmos]

they uploaded their brains but we lost the technology
or did you mean their literal brains-

[keen shore]

But yeah had to stop away for a bit but the reasons I believe this are

• lightseekers is based off forest in terms of designs and clothes, implying they’re from there, assembly takes place in forest
• assembly masks have many similar designs to lightseeker ones, including ones that are practically the same (cadet n crab whisperer for example)
• similar cosmetics, like scolding students cape (scold also has a triangle mask) and shush’s cape
• similar themes to taking care of plants kinda like in days of bloom? idk how to explain this
• guides of both groups both have a much more complicated design on their mask which represents the whole group
• it’s really sweet

[lethal stump]

SNEAKY SURVIVOR MY BELOVED

[tepid veldt]

sky spirit assembly when?

[frigid tinsel]

Season of Assembly

[rigid mural]

I think Ash confirmed the link between the two too !

[raw crypt]

funfact yesterdays sunlight music sheet was pioneers!

[rigid mural]

NOoo I FORGOT TO PLAY IT

[frigid tinsel]

Cadet also crab calls like Crab Whisperer when you fish up a crab

[rigid mural]

Cadet 💙
I'm adopting the entire treehouse, they are all so sweet

[compact shale]

My new HC for Cadet is that their ocarina has indents in it from rubbing it like a worry stone

[cobalt palm]

In the first age, in the first battle...

[sturdy onyx]

Hello Lore chat !

[cobalt palm]

Hi owlie!

OK theory time, season of flight was preparing us for the shattering.
The spirits knew something big was coming, so to prepare us for a huge set of darkness they arranged a small amount of darkness to enter their area to show the sky kids they have the courage within them to face it.
Maybe I'm just a huge flight fan though.

[sharp lichen]

an online event will be too chaotic for anyone to handle, a real life event? oh my goodness,

[snow cosmos]

that's the fun of it! >:3

[sharp lichen]

we all argue about spirit hcs in person

[stable bolt]

Hello☺️

[snow cosmos]

and cuddle puddle on Alasdair

[stable bolt]

Anyone? Do u have hint for the next ts?

[snow cosmos]

i'd ask in #questions-and-help

[sharp lichen]

vela doing real life art exhibitions

[snow cosmos]

proof as to whether there are in fact two Salems

[frigid tinsel]

I see i would buried

[sharp lichen]

strega and i will come in wheelchairs

[snow cosmos]

is that a complaint? /lh

[frigid tinsel]

I’d just like to still be able to breath

[snow cosmos]

that can be arranged

[cobalt palm]

I have a, feeling a real life lore assembly would need miles of wall space for concept art and the worlds supply of red wool/string

[compact shale]

That's why we genetically engineered wooly mantas

[cobalt palm]

It's all coming together

Speaking of which, how am I only now seeing this
#completed-sky-fanart-and-creations message

[lyric isle]

hiya, lore chat! missed you all

[eternal totem]

Welcome back Vol

[lyric isle]

not feeling like talking much but looking forward to engaging once I do

[keen shore]

YEAH the link is confirmed, but the specific relation is unfortunately not :( I hope I’m right though because it’s the simplest and imo cutest option

[keen shore]

HELLO!!!! Glad to see you again

[frigid tinsel]

I like to think only a few of the Assembly kids have close or immediate connections with our Lightseekers (I headcanon that CW saved Cadet in the Wasteland, Assembly guide is Pioneer’s child, and Scolding Student is SLS’s little sibling). The rest are Forest natives who were inspired by tales of the Lightseekers the others had brought.

[keen shore]

I get that for fic timeline reasons and because only some of the masks match, However, I want to believe it is true for all of them and so I will

The only things that might be able to stop me is direct dev confirmation it isn’t true, or a somehow even sweeter headcanon, and even then it is up in the air. I’m still super happy you made scold n shush siblings btw it’s adorable, S family

[rigid mural]

Scold and Shush's niches are librarian, that's why they're chastising you after you relive their memory

[snow cosmos]

as a Library, can confirm

[keen shore]

Wait but why are our skykids scoldable, are they mad at us because we can’t read

[snow cosmos]

we made too much noise chasing them around

[untold notch]

no honking in the library

[frigid tinsel]

For a moment I read “niche” as the gender neutral term like “nibljng” and was confused who the librarian spirit was

[snow cosmos]

it's me, i'm the librarian spirit

[violet sundial]

Greetings! I wanted to drop in again to say that I’m probably not gonna be as active in here anymore in general (well… i mean… in terms of how active as ive been recently which is Very Little 💀) cus Sky’s not been doing it for me lately and i enjoyed talking to you guys a lot and wanted to let yall know that

[raw crypt]

Ahhh I understand, I hope you take care!! Trying to say more but it feels awkward sounding HMFHDJD butI just hope things r well for u and ur awesome cool 💕💕

[compact shale]

What's a nibling

[frigid tinsel]

gender neutral alternative to neice/nephew

[keen shore]

Every time I hear nibling I go “oh cool, gender neutral alternative for sibling!” And then immediately feel like the stupidest person on the planet. Without fail

[untold notch]

if it's any consolation I immediately also did this

[keen shore]

OH THANK GOD IM NOT THE ONLY ONE

[untold notch]

I can think but only sometimes

[tepid veldt]

vol!!! sorry for being so late but welcome back!!

[frigid tinsel]

in lorechat, thinking is not a requirement although highly appreciated

[keen shore]

Example of something people say when they are not thinking: the basegame spirits are boring

[untold notch]

I spent all my thinking on CURE.S 💔

[lyric isle]

on another note, sunlight is so so adorable and I will discuss it more once I feel up to it

[keen shore]

SUNLIGHT IS SO CUTE it evokes the same feelings as days of bloom, in that I adore it and am mad because it will end and the spirits will leave

[compact shale]

SAME I'M MAD TOO

I EVEN MADE HCS ABOUT THE NEW CANON INSTRUMENTS

[keen shore]

I could say something like. The fact that assembly did something similar to days of bloom helps go towards my theory abt them being lightseeker apprentices but, I don’t think it’s that deep and I don’t want to make it that deep. I just want to look at the scouts being cute and try not to tear up

[compact shale]

I WANNA HUG EM ALL ^>.<^

[raw crypt]

I WISH BLOOM AND SUNLIGHT WERR PERMANENT limited time cosmetics be damned i love seeinh the funny guys in action

[keen shore]

SAME HERE, I’m so glad the sapling quests are a thing at least, wishing there was something like it for sunlight, 💔

[compact shale]

Yeet, I wish there was a way to take some of em back to the area temporarily

Hmmmm 🤔

lmao

[frigid tinsel]

I love playing music with them

[keen shore]

I love trying to stab you with the marshmallow stick while you play music with them <3

[compact shale]

I like to think that they borrowed the guitar from Grandma

[keen shore]

OH MY GOD CADET COMES WHEN YOU PLAY MUSIC?? I’ve never tried because music in Sky makes me super shy/anxious so this is my first time hearing abt it.
Cadet switch player real

[compact shale]

Does this imply that ocarinas are canon in Sky?

[frigid tinsel]

Yea, today when I clicked jam along, there was a little cutscene of Cadet running up to join

[keen shore]

Are ocarinas not irl instruments as well

[raw crypt]

OMG FOUR OF THEM TODAY

[compact shale]

They are but this means it's not just a secret area IAP thing

Also Scold has two instruments, panflute or drum

[keen shore]

THATS SO PRECIOUS you don’t have to but I would really appreciate it if you recorded it!! I didn’t even know it was a thing

[frigid tinsel]

Perhaps and idk what to do with that implication. Does one of the Legend of Zelda timelines accidentally intersect with Sky and the only imprint it left on the world was the propagation of ocarinas? Idk

[raw crypt]

i javeny been on sky today i have been SLACKING gdmdhdndnb but sunlight is so cute i must fish more so i can impress botanist i will outfish them

[compact shale]

ALASDAIR NO DON'T GO INTO THAT

[snow cosmos]

ocarinas do like. exist-
they're italian, i expect they're canon to sky in the same way drums are

[frigid tinsel]

did they exist before or after Legend of Zelda?

[rigid mural]

Before

[snow cosmos]

they're late 19th century

[frigid tinsel]

TIL

[rigid mural]

They're wayyy older

Like, we got wind instrument orbs from 12 000 years ago I think

[snow cosmos]

the italian ones are late 19th century, i believe that's the origin of the word ocarina. the ocarina itself has been found across central and south america dating back at minimum 4500 years

this is all based on rough memory and quick google searches so the info may be wrong but they definitely have existed since long before zelda

[compact shale]

Headcanons about Assembly's new canon instrumetns

Scold's drum: An instrument they had since they were a toddler. When Shush carried them while doing work, they tended to drum on Shush's bald head a lot, thus giving them the idea to give Scold a drum
Scold's panflute: An instrument Scold knows a few songs on, though they mostly use it to manage their anger. If they're really mad, it won't be a song they're playing at all.
Daydream's Winter Piano: An instrument Daydream plays sometimes when helping Laidback Pioneer with Lightseeker duties. In moments when they need absolute focus, Pioneer has Daydream play songs that help them focus or console the citizens they help. Daydream used to have a regular piano, but it broke and Pioneer splurged on a Winter Piano because it would last longer.
Cadet's Ocarina: A cool rock they carved themselves. It has several oval-shaped indents on it because they use it as a worry stone more than they use it as an ocarina.

[frigid tinsel]

tried to record it but Cadet was already there when I went to sunny forest

[keen shore]

losing my absolute mind at the scolds drum one

[frigid tinsel]

now I'm playing music sheets with them,thanks

[frigid tinsel]

slap that bald head

[keen shore]

Giving scold salami, they know what they have to do

[marble lynx]

You make me hungry in midnight

[keen shore]

ITALIANS ARE CANON IN SKY? /j

[frigid tinsel]

Spade

[compact shale]

This sounds like the start of a song that doesn't exist

[tepid veldt]

everything is canon if you believe enough
mb i didnt turn pong off 😭

[torpid stag]

Are there any well known nicknames for each of the valley elders? (I always call them bobcut twin and spikey twin)

[compact shale]

Samekh

Sah for spiky and Mekh for bobcut

[torpid stag]

Woah rly? I have never heard that before

[compact shale]

Samekh was one of the scrapped Hebrew names but we still hold onto them because names guud

[frigid tinsel]

They can also be referred to as Sunset, which is how the devs refer to their realm

[thin dirge]

I guess it can be easier to call them by those names to identify, but these names are very very old and the devs don't even use them, even they get confused abt using those elder names tbh

[frigid tinsel]

imo there prob isn’t that much of a difference between the twins

[keen shore]

I like to use this and also not distinguish between them I think it’s cooler even if it’s not canon;
Will obviously explain if necessary

[thin dirge]

I just use "Valley Elder", etc just to make others understand, lol.
But I wonder if the realms they reside in really were the same realms the stayed in from the beginning, some of them could have changed realms

[frigid tinsel]

Shameless fic plug — I like to think the Elders are named based on the time of day or weather condition they were born under. Sunset Elder(s) were born during a sunset.

[torpid stag]

Oooo I really love all these theories~

[keen shore]

YEAHHHHH AND THATS WHY I CALL THEM BOTH SUNSET

[torpid stag]

Omg chillssss

[untold notch]

"let's speak as if this is you" goes so hard

[frigid tinsel]

Worth noting that even during the concept phase when they were called Samekh, there was no distinction between the two. The twins were Samekh, that was their one single name. So I like to think the same applies to Sunset

[torpid stag]

It's hard for me to think of them as one, but it only makes sense. The way they act with each other reminds me of sorta right brain left brain in a way

[frigid tinsel]

You can read the whole Valley Elder(s) fic here: https://archiveofourown.org/works/40284843

[keen shore]

ITS SO GOOD READ IT

[acoustic onyx]

Skychildren thought

Okay so we clearly aren’t the first of our kind, we may not even actually be children we just have the height and shape of children, we never age and use magic to seem older, we are also made of both darkness and light which would explain why instead of withering away our bodies become sold as out light separates from the dark, we are likely created by the elders whom did not want their kind to die out so they created hybrids and we are the only generation that can fully come back instead of either staying in a permanent memory ready to be relived or a still form of light waiting to be taken away from where we had separated from our bodies, this would also show how the elders were mostly light, they did not have a shell instead they had monuments to replay their final memories

Also explains part of the ending where you fuse the light and dark halves of your character

[torn eagle]

Check out the concept art below

Tho historically most of the concepts lean towards megabird creating us rather than elders.. but as per skylore everything is up to individual interpretation

[torn swallow]

out of curiosity, i don't normally go in this channel, do you ppl think we can touch spirits and elders?

[white junco]

yes! we can hug the spirits

[frigid tinsel]

well, we can touch the spirits. we hug granny and season guides, high five Flight guide and Performance guide, and could drag along the Performance spirits in Performance quest 4. so skykids can touch the spirits.

as for Elders, that's debatable since there isn't a case where skykids do physically touch the Elders. Forest Elder and the Valley Elder(s) take light right from our hands, so it wouldn't surprise me if we could physically touch the Elders as well.

[compact shale]

If you glomped a spirit, would you fall epically?

[rapid arrow]

I’ve said this before but I’ll say it again cause it’s cute

Skykids bonk eachother to show appreciation and closeness

[snow cosmos]

bonks all of u

[untold notch]

(gently rams my head into your shoulder as a display of affection)

[rain pond]

I am of the opinion that ||sky kids can, with a little effort, remove their masks and the faces underneath, resulting in the inner light blasting out of them like a very powerful spotlight||

[compact shale]

Yeet

reminds me of the opinion I have that Megabird COULD make us walking winged lights, but chooses not to because that would creep out ancestors the way biblically accurate angels creep out mortal humans

[rain pond]

also I am of the opinion that should this beam of light hit a krill, it will fall out of the sky and sleep in a way that resembles this

[compact shale]

Ah yes, plushies, the best lore-entific models

[torn eagle]

satisfied krill go sneep snorp

[rain pond]

imagine a krill loafing and unloafing

[compact shale]

Krill are all legs no dairy

where does the legmass go

[tepid veldt]

haha yes its 5am and im gonna read this definitely ready

[tepid veldt]

at a loss for words rn. alasdair you write so damn well i cant

[round parrot]

The King just basically ||said a "No Cost too Great" and peaced out ✌️|| /ref

[torn eagle]

Ping off - thought my screen had a crack because of this image 💀

[sharp lichen]

||disappears from most of Sky lore like a boss||

[true dew]

Fun brain thought of mine about skids

If their body is made of dirt, clay, or any earthy material n their soul is the one bringing it to function, then does that mean skids can modify their body?
Like, not just height, but also material, strength, n so on
Perhaps they can even add more limbs or legs or other body parts?

[earnest briar]

biblically accurate Sky kid lol

[eternal totem]

I did see fan art of Skykids modifying their faces like clay, with thumbs & tools. Also, I believe that Skykids can reattach severed limbs as long as it doesn't succumb to darkness & disconnect, although not too sure about external limbs that don't originally belong to the body

[tepid veldt]

if i had an oc that interacted with an elder, how would they interact? trying to write some oc lore but im really lost rn

[round parrot]

I would suggest looking for the personalities of the elder your OC interacted with, then look at your OC's personality!

[tepid veldt]

oof, thinking abt doing an elder connoisseur thing too many elders and too many writing ideas

[tepid veldt]

decided on valley elders and amethyst. this’ll be fun

this one

[compact shale]

I have several headcanons related to the clay body

1. Our inner light can heat up and cool down at extremely precise levels, which allows it to soften the clay enough for us to move our limbs but not enough to melt us into a goop

2. Resize potions heat up our light and randomly stretch or squish our body, then cool down when the effect is done

3. Physical cracks in the body are healed by the light absorbing nutrients from the nearby ground. The more fertile the ground, the faster it heals.

[round parrot]

But how about it turning to stone in Eden? Or is it the equivalent of the clay freezing?

[compact shale]

Not enough light to move the clay around

[slate saffron]

So does that mean placing a skykid into a blast-furnace could be their equivalent of torture, as through that you could distort their bodies into unrecognizable forms without killing them?

[snow cosmos]

Strega why

[rigid mural]

I like to think it's the same thing that made ancestors the way they are (shells) !

[round parrot]

If our "clay" bodies can have literal fire inside of it, and following the context of fire being a source of light, I would say it's kinda like a swimming pool, we shouldn't stay in it for too long, but it is enjoyable

[rigid mural]

I like to think Skykids are like, magic paper lanterns. Thin paper skin that mysteriously resist shock (maybe through the strenght of their inner light), hence why they seem to shine from within !

Ancestors could be way thicker and resist darkness better at the cost of being less easily recharged.

[marble lynx]

Or just a hollow clay container?

[compact shale]

*inhale

*unhale

[slate saffron]

Actually I'm wrong. It wouldn't be a blast furnace as that would just harden their bodies to the point where they're unable to move if not shatter them completely.

A more effective way to give skykids the body horror treatment would be to place them in a very steamy/humid environment for a long period of time to soften their bodies & make them more malleable

[snow cosmos]

It wouldn't be a blast furnace as that would just harden their bodies to the point where they're unable to move if not shatter them completely.

tbf, the idea of being conscious but trapped in a petrified body is pretty horrifying to me

[tribal forge]

I've just realized something very dark about the being an elder...

[round parrot]

Just had a thought about this, in Orbit, where our bodies are literally glowing, is it still clay? Or the light that formed inside the hollow clay body?

[snow cosmos]

personally i think we leave the clay body behind once we hit the post-eden void

[tribal forge]

Not only they're condamned to stay there for eternity and watch their kingdom slowly decay seeing that with time everyone around them is long gone... But they also have to pass the rest of eternity leading sky children into their demise... Fooling them into thinking that it's something good.
They literally send thousands of children in eden knowing well that that will k * * l them and that those poor souls are stuck in am endless cycle of d * * th and rebirth and they're not able to help them... That must be... Awful

[round parrot]

What about rebirth? Where do we even get our clay bodies in the first place?

[snow cosmos]

for rebirth i can think of two possibilities - either we get a new body in the image of our last, or our light is put back into the one we left which has magically been transported out of eden, i'm a lil foggy on this part

i'm still working on a theory for the origin of the bodies, though

[slate saffron]

unhale

[snow cosmos]

i'm personally toying with the idea that Ancestors are the same kind of being as skykids, it's just that because of the cycle we're stuck in we never get a chance to grow up and become them? and my creation-myth answer for how Ancestors happened is that the Elders made them out of clay and Megabird taught them how to imbue the vessels with light

[round parrot]

In the starting scene, we fall down from the sky (as a star), to then be introduced to our skykid, already having a body

Idk I thought this would be interesting for the orgins

[snow cosmos]

my thought here is that either a) the body forms when our star hits the ground, or b) there was a vessel pre-made and waiting for light, and when we fell our light got absorbed into it or something

[round parrot]

ok, idk how to explain this but I got an idea

so basically our body is made of light, but it is solid unlike the insides
I'm gonna sneep now, I need braincells

[slate saffron]

Megabird is a theft who steals rocks from the hard-working ancestor to make child sacrifices smh smh

[tribal forge]

Guys have you ever thought that sky kids are just failed attempts to do something impossible? We should stop eden but die in the process.. We're nothing more than one of the thousands of attempts that miserably failed.

Whovever sent us down is panicking, they're fooling themselves into thinking that we will be able to fix the mistakes that led to the demise of the kingdom.

[snow cosmos]

depending on what kind of bird they are, stealing rocks isn't necessarily out of character

[round parrot]

||Pale King's children||

[tribal forge]

There never was a chosen one in sky, we're fooled into thinking that we are but we're not. We're literally brainwashed so we can reach eden and try to stop it, and when we rebirth we just try and try again... We're not the chosen one, there never was a chosen one to begin with.

[tribal forge]

LITERALLY BRO

THIS IS HOLLOW KNIGHT BUT WORSE SOMEHOW

[round parrot]

Hollow Knight is basically inverted Sky

[tribal forge]

Yes

[round parrot]

I have a little headcanon that my OC thinks that there is someone out there who is the chosen one, they haven't seen, met, nor heard of this "chosen one", but they believe that there is one, and it is not them.

[snow cosmos]

petition for skykids to stop going to eden
just say "screw this" to our divine purpose and live our own lives

[sharp lichen]

I’m not sure if we’re ever told to stop Eden, we just do it because we can. Like a sort of childlike curiosity

[tribal forge]

I love this, in my sky story I've another headcanon:

Sky children are just ancient forgotten spirits who lived alongside the elders and other spirits reborn and who lost their memories.

[tribal forge]

We are led there tho, it's implied that we gotta stop it.

[snow cosmos]

i like this actually- as a player of a game we go to eden because that's how the structure of games work, and because we're rewarded for doing it with a special currency. but as skykids in the world, there's really nobody telling us anything. we interpret meaning from a dead culture and assign ourselves purpose based on that

[tribal forge]

Exactly

[snow cosmos]

the uplifting spin on this is that we are the chosen ones - and we're the ones who chose us

[tribal forge]

We're not actually told but we understand that we have to do so since thanks to murals and other things we're lead there

[sharp lichen]

I like how immovable Eden feels. Like it’s a natural force similar to the earth or the sea.

[tribal forge]

Indeed

[snow cosmos]

as someone who grew up in the Land Of Earthquakes And Wildfires, yeah, Eden is 100% a force of nature

[tribal forge]

The angry red rock that vomits more angry rocks

[snow cosmos]

welcome to California in the summer /hj

[tribal forge]

Btw can someone explain to me who or what is the elder bird?

Is that the entity that sent us down? Are they the eden elder? Are they God?

[snow cosmos]

Megabird is commonly thought (at least by lorechat) to be the (sort-of?) god who created us
an elder bird is i believe a creature that was teased or included in concept work that hasn't yet made it into the game

[tribal forge]

Even tho today I came up with the sick idea that we the sky children are fragments of the eden elder for some reason

I've no proof for that it's just cool

[forest hornet]

Question
How tall can skykids get? Or how tall can guides be to compare
I'm asking cuz I'm filling out an oc template and I wanna have somewhat accurate heights

[tribal forge]

I think they can be adult sized? Some of them are

[snow cosmos]

megabird (from the credits) vs elder bird (from character art)

[forest hornet]

I mean like specifics with feet and inches
Could be too much to ask but I'm hoping there are theorys or something here 👀

[snow cosmos]

i believe there was a decent amount of math done about this but i missed the conclusion

[sharp lichen]

Funny enough, there’s a plethora of evidence that supports your theory

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

@forest hornet Someone measured it using office items, chibi Skykids are 27 inches and max height Skykids are 46 inches

[tribal forge]

So megabird is the light thing we see?

[forest hornet]

Thank you!!

[tribal forge]

Omg I need to hear more about this

I hope that my other headcanon of sky kids being also spirits reborn who lost their memories could be also plausible

Like what if they're reborn ancient forgotten spirits who were fused with a fragment of the Eden elder.?

I really hope it can be true

[sharp lichen]

The biggest piece of evidence is that beforehand, the constellation of our friends was in the shape of a King’s crown. And after the constellation update, it changed to an image that’s similar to concept art for the King/Eden Elder.

[hushed steeple]

What if krills are made of nanomachines?

[sharp lichen]

Maybe in the past, but nanomachines break down over centuries, don’t they?

[uncut pond]

I believe the current constellation is just post-kaboom Eden

[sharp lichen]

Even then, it has resemblance to the King

[lethal stump]

thats the great thing about sky lore: anything can be true. the devs purposefully left many aspects of the story vague for us to fill in the gaps however we please. there are some theories that become confirmed or denied (i.e., "krills are corrupted light creatures" was just a theory but then was confirmed by devs on twitter), but generally you can rest well knowing that your headcanons are safe

[sharp lichen]

Also, the golden figure we meet at the end of Eden could be the King, so perhaps they’re connected to us

[rain pond]

if you are talking about the first tab, I'd say that it resemble the King's shoulder pads but not the King themself - I can't see the 4 pointed star that is a key feature of their head

[uncut pond]

I mean... Yeah why wouldn't it? The King has always had diamond symbolism and they're definitely connected to Eden

It's all connected I tell you

[lethal stump]

you dont require the 4 or 8 pointed star - we also see the king depicted with a 3-pointed "european" crown in some reliefs and murals, so its clearly varied. the first constellation is still a crown, if not being a direct reference to the King it is still a reference to royalty of some sort

[rain pond]

oh it's a crown

[lethal stump]

you can even see an outline of the king symbol in the background

[hushed steeple]

Who is going to be the nrxt traveling spirit?

[lethal stump]

we dont know that yet. if you have TS questions, head to #questions-and-help

[frigid tinsel]

yknow, due to the brutality of Eden, I don't think skykids' are supposed be "fix" Eden

I believe the futility we face in Eden is one of skykids' own making. Whatever skykids were originally supposed to do in Eden is up to debate, yet they aren't strong enough to make it far without dying. Skykids could just buff themselves up with light and charge on past their fellow peers' corpses to get to the center, but they have such a love for each other that they can't help but give up their own light to save their petrified friends, weakening themselves so they will ultimately succumb to the darkness in the point of no return. This leaves more bodies for other skykids to save, weakening themselves in turn, dying, and sustaining the cycle.

[frigid tinsel]

there's actually been one elder bird in the game, seen in the final cutscene for the Season of Rhythm.
(I hit enter too early twice)

[lyric isle]

LORE CHAT MY DREAM TS

[keen shore]

SHRUG IS SO GOOD, My friends were all were losing it over the ts hints a while ago, it was chaos, we couldn’t decide whether it was shrug or shush

[rigid mural]

hi salem

[flat tangle]

Howdy guys

[lyric isle]

unbelieveably hapy. my throat hurts form screaming

[raw crypt]

SHRUG SO GOOD but shush was a VERY funny guess for no particular reason

[frigid tinsel]

oh yes, for no particular reason

[keen shore]

IM SUPER EXCITED FOR SHRUG
I love enchantment because it was my first moth season, I still remember being blown away by the separate area and the storyline ad cool magic stuff, man… I love the cape so much and it’s such good nostalgia

[rigid mural]

absolutely no particular reason this weeks TS being shush would have been hilarious

[raw crypt]

absolutely

and ITS BEEN SO LONG SINCE AN ENCHANTMENT TS thriving

[keen shore]

Both enchantment spirits we’ve gotten recently have a confirmed fursona, what does this mean? Well the answer is simple. Furry boat

[raw crypt]

FURRY BOAT

[keen shore]

They were on their way to the convention when the lightning bolt struck 💔

[raw crypt]

scare and shrug commission nod for art of their fursonas

[frigid tinsel]

somewhere a Christian is making a Noah's Arkvreference

[eternal totem]

HOLy the Alchemist hints
"Good at styling people's hair" IT'S REAL I thought of the exact same thing

[frigid tinsel]

Enjoys a good natured prank
Would fall for "updog"
so who's gonna do it?

[eternal totem]

The very specific scenario of them braiding Enchant's guide hair when they were younger is real

[rigid mural]

SCARECROW FARMER

[keen shore]

This weeks ts welcomes visitors into their home
Man…

[rigid mural]

Kindly old folk welcomes you into their home to drink tea and talk about the immensity of the universe...

[keen shore]

And you pay them back by updogging them :(

[eternal totem]

Trust me on this they have the tea alongside a small bowl of sunflower seeds

[rigid mural]

I think they would find this funny.

[raw crypt]

hydrate hints r common with ts but its rlly fitting for shrug seeing as they have the blue light

[keen shore]

Hints list for reference from Raider#9469

🔹 This weeks TS is a sometimes forgetful teacher
🔹 This weeks TS always welcomes a visitor to their home
🔹 This weeks TS sometimes forgets to eat
🔹 This weeks TS is rapidly approaching your location
🔹 This weeks TS enjoys a good natured prank
🔹 This weeks TS wakes up before dawn
🔹 This weeks TS is working on their artistic skills
🔹 This weeks TS is reminding you to hydrate! 🚰
🔹 This weeks TS likes to discuss philosophically about life and the universe
🔹 This weeks TS doesn't understand modern memes
🔹 This weeks TS would fall for "updog"

• extremely treasured fursona hint: markhor

[rigid mural]

Indifferent Alchemist: "Here, I just prepared some tea, do you want some ?"
Scarecrow Farmer: "Oh sure ! How's the updog by the way ?"
Indifferent Alchemist: "What's... updog ?"
Scarecrow Farmer, trying not to lose their mind: "NOT MUCH, YOU ?!"
Indifferent Alchemist:
Indifferent Alchemist:

[raw crypt]

HJEHDHDHD YEA
also omg the artist skill hint,, drawing alongside nod

[keen shore]

That’s how alchemist died

[eternal totem]

Say it smells like updog in here

[frigid tinsel]

they giving a polite chuckle.

[rigid mural]

Updog tea

[eternal totem]

Ash read my mind for these hints

[keen shore]

Still stuck on the visitor hint, imagining them doing that for travelers they come across in wasteland,

[rigid mural]

YEAH 💔

[eternal totem]

Older folks are really like this here (for the most part)

[rigid mural]

I wonder if they do that because they're lonely

[frigid tinsel]

Picturing them setting up a boffy

[flat tangle]

Soo the new ts might be indifferent alchemist from season of enchantment

Got ittttttttttttt

🍞

[frigid tinsel]

Well the #news post has their silhouette

[lyric isle]

"Alchemist Fact! I am 100 metres from your location, and approaching rapidly!

Start running."

[keen shore]

Just realized two enchantment spirits (nod and shrug) have the “reminding you to hydrate” hint and scarecrow has a hint abt them hoping for rainy days, What Happened

[lyric isle]

to be fair I mean that positively

shrug's element is water so

[frigid tinsel]

Dehydration kills you faster than starvation

[eternal totem]

Lots of older folks got a lot of time on their hands, so they'd sit down at cafés or just outside their house/balcony & just chat with anyone that comes by, maybe it's out loneliness but also it can be that they just enjoy the company

HOWEVER (rubs my hands with evil intent) Alchemist is the longest surviving Enchanter, so it is with a tinge of loneliness

[frigid tinsel]

This is a bad time to say I’m killing them in my next fic huh

[keen shore]

NOOOO THE EVIL INTENT… I can see it though… if they have the ability to purify water with blue light they’d probably survive the longest… nooo

[eternal totem]

Who's NOT being killed

[frigid tinsel]

Only cos they gave me multiple heart attacks in a 30 minute period

[keen shore]

I mean, if the fic is about post crash enchantment (which I’d guess it is because it would be weird for them to die earlier), its kinda a given… although it’s making me lose it that this is revenge for making you think the ts was shush and panicking

[rigid mural]

Older folks from wherever you're from inviting strangers at their table to chat VS slavic grandmas looking out the window to glare at people

[keen shore]

Estrmeely happy at the possibility of alasdair enchantment fic even if it doesn’t end up happening bc I have been secretly wanting it for ages and wishing for it

[frigid tinsel]

I’ll have to finish Fealty to put that on the queue

[keen shore]

Shrugging alchemist vs hiking grouch

[eternal totem]

Enchanter as in the family that being Alchemist & the guide, when the guide was still a child at least half of the family had been wiped out

[rigid mural]

FEALTY 💥 💙 💥 💙

[rigid mural]

WAIT THESE TWO GOT HINTS ABOUT DOING ART

THEY ARE FRIENDS

[lyric isle]

there was something I made because last time I was torn between whether Shrug or Geographer was more likely but I didn't expect Scold but will post that another time

[frigid tinsel]

debating whether to wait until we get SLS TS so I can spice it up with their TS hints or just
idk I'm looking at this almost 9k unfinished draft with fear

[rigid mural]

Alasdair I'm eating your writing, don't let the hints stop you

[frigid tinsel]

okay but what if I publish the fic and an SLS TS hint is "they eat a full 4-course meal every day" like cmon

[keen shore]

OH I GET YOU THATS SUPER DEPRESSING STILL THOUGH, although the idea of tjem being related is rlly sweet

[rigid mural]

Would make the fact they stopped sadder

[frigid tinsel]

oh, I like how you think

[rigid mural]

This is reminding me I need to eat dinner.

[keen shore]

make your own ts hints, ascend to godhood

[rigid mural]

This weeks TS could narrate a Natgeo documentary

[frigid tinsel]

there is this bit

[rigid mural]

This weeks TS doesn't like showing emotions but still feels them intensely

This weeks TS's favorite color is purple

This weeks TS is worried for a spirit in the realm they're in

[frigid tinsel]

this weeks TS isn't bald, despite appearances

[rigid mural]

THEY AREN'T ???

[frigid tinsel]

my SLS has thin, wispy hair

[rigid mural]

I was alluding to Aarizon 💀

[frigid tinsel]

oh

[rigid mural]

Pretty sure you could make a game out of making people guess which spirit you're thinking about with fake TS hints

[frigid tinsel]

Aarizon is bald. they shave their head

[rigid mural]

LIKE TO SLAP THEIR BALD HEAD
REBLOG TO SLAP THEIR BALD HEAD

[rigid iron]

Are we still getting zodiacs or are those a lost cause?

[lyric isle]

ok but this further strengthens my headcanon of "if shrug and geographer met they'd be good friends"

[rigid mural]

BEA IM SO SORRY I ONLY ASKED THE FURSONA

[rigid iron]

[keen shore]

Shrug would be friends with so many vault spirits; unfortunately, they never managed to get there

[frigid tinsel]

this week's TS is older than the zodiac

[rigid mural]

Salem ???

[lyric isle]

anyway hi yeah I am very happy. I would talk about headcanons for Geographer more but for now it's about Them. the Alchemist

[keen shore]

What? Should I repost my headcanon for enchantment for context

[lyric isle]

if a hint for Geographer is that they have great handwriting I will be a little upset
to me their writing is mostly incoherent scribbles (extra note that they're an AI (all of the LP spirits are to me) so yeah) but the other LP spirits can kinda read it

Geographer mostly needs to dictate their writing when asked

[frigid tinsel]

thought: Alchemist giving CW some potions and spells for the journey, tells them to not worry about repaying them. CW promises to pay them back someday. CW never gets the chance

[lyric isle]

anyway I will see you all. so excited to finally see this happen

[keen shore]

(Just to be sure my headcanon is that the enchantment crew was heading for vault with stuff to preserve isles culture so that it’s remembered, but crashed before they could get there)

I can explain it a bit more and why I think it but it’s not much more complicated than that, I just like it because it adds a really heartbreaking detail to the story :}

[rigid mural]

@keen shore this is you

[keen shore]

WIDJWOWLWKDJFJF AND NOW IM WONDERING IF THERES A ZODIAC IN SKY, my first thought was “when the gratitude spirits came they invented it”

No wait there has to be because of days of fortune right

[rigid mural]

Maybe it's the friend constellations

[rigid mural]

DoF follows the chinese zodiac tho

[keen shore]

I KNOW, I’m just thinking that if like, you made it a canon event you’d want it to revolve around some kind of zodiac right? Even if you changed what the actual one is to make it fit the world better

[frigid tinsel]

what if the Gratitude folk were a troupe that travelled to and/or throughout the kingdom to spread the new year zodiac traditions? hence why their spirits herald them to skykids

[keen shore]

YEAHHH I like that idea!!

[tribal forge]

So that's true??. OH

[sharp lichen]

There are Star constellations in the friend lighting area, so maybe it’s based on that?

[clever dagger]

do we know why the sky kids wear masks?

[frigid tinsel]

probably to mimic the ancestors' culture of wearing masks.
why do ancestors wear masks? /shrug

[clever dagger]

but some do not? we know that the elder masks provide protection but did the others at some point as well?

[lethal stump]

i like to imagine masks are a coming-of-age thing. we've seen how they denote families and jobs, so i can imagine people getting masks for those roles. maybe richer ancestors have several masks denoting all the cliques and roles they're a part of, where poorer ancestors might only have one or two masks denoting their job and family. mask culture would probably differ among class lines like many artistic/social cultures have in the past

[eternal totem]

You do see that with the Belonging spirits specifically

[sharp lichen]

I’m gonna say it
I’m gonna say it

[lethal stump]

yeah. the belonging family strikes me as upper class, so they seem able to splurge on having masks for the whole family (including kids who might grow out of them)
the "default" masks are probably commonly made by maskmakers, available in all sorts of sizes, which is why we see so many spirits wearing them

[sharp lichen]

That’s what the point of the mask is

[eternal totem]

Ok

[frigid tinsel]

was thinking ancestors wore masks as a sort of privacy thing, that they considered their faces something they don't show in public. exceptions would be around close friends & family, when alone, or in strenuous situations where a mask would impede whatever they are doing – considering Dismayed Hunter not wearing a mask cos it could block the sight of whatever they're hunting and sweating on the mask from running around would be uncomfortable.

[nimble ingot]

Am back, what did I miss?

[frigid tinsel]

there also could’ve been a countercultural movement to not wear masks, defying social norms, hence the maskless spirits in Valley and Wasteland, which likely used to be a part of Valley

[lethal stump]

there could definitely be that too. maybe a mix of both - it could be considered more "proper" and "polite" to wear one's mask around other people, but also serve as a show of status. someone could be seen in several different masks throughout the day, showing how they can afford multiple, whereas someone else might only have one...but wearing no mask could be seen as improper in public, or be a sign of intense destitution

it would be almost shameful to be seen without a mask

[frigid tinsel]

given there are a lot of “basic/default” masks, I doubt anyone in Sky would be too poor to have a mask or being maskless was a sign of poverty. consider Valley that, even though they’re divided into working and wealthy classes, everyone seems to have been aptly cared for. yet there are quite a few maskless spirits there.

if it a privacy or politeness thing, it wouldn’t be socially shameful to be maskless due to wealth but rather in the same way we irl wear clothing. being maskless is akin to “showing your ankles.”

we also known, from Ash, that animal masks signify job, so perhaps some ancestors may have had multiple — one for when they’re on duty and one for when they’re off. the animal masks could be crafted themselves (see: Performance) or produced whenever someone new is employed or, in the case of basic masks, en mass for everybody.

[lethal stump]

i admit we dont really know how the kingdom was run, however every civilization has had its poorest of the poor, no matter how generous the government was. there would probably be at least some ancestors who were so broke they couldnt have a mask

[frigid tinsel]

that’s assuming ancestors had to pay for their basic masks rather than something that someone is always avowed to have. if the Sky kingdom was a generous as it seems, then they likely had some form of universal basic income or societal program to ensure basic needs were met, including one basic mask

[earnest briar]

Do you think they traded in candles like we do? Are scented candles considered to be the equivalent of gold or jewels?

[frigid tinsel]

again back to when it wouldn’t be practical to wear a mask, say when moving around a lot or exercising, it would be difficult to breathe with one, especially if they were made of stone as that one dev statement suggests. so in those cases it could be acceptable to forgo a mask in public.

there is also the possibility that some ancestors during war or battle could’ve lost their masks in the chaos, such as Wasteland spirits. they also are moving around quickly a lot, so they could’ve taken their masks off for the previous reason

[lethal stump]

we dont really know anything about how spirits traded with other spirits...we know they exchanged goods but we dont know much about their currency. aside from assuming they trade in candles like we do

candles would be a super hard to regulate currency though. irl you can make hundreds of candles in a day...it feels counterintuitive to have such an easy-to-counterfeit currency

[frigid tinsel]

personally I don’t think so — candles are easy to make, so you’d have an economic crisis with the inflation that’d cause. likewise, I don’t think skykids trade in tangible candles but rather light — candles is just a way to demarcate those lights into countable amounts.

[raw crypt]

Yeah I also see candles as just a way to quantify light and less so as a means of currency, I imagine spirits need the light to help the skykids form their cosmetics :]

[lethal stump]

agree to disagree - if the kingdom was a kingdom in the traditional sense it would be a feudal monarchy, perhaps even militarized oligarchy as the kingdom slowly collapsed. those types of societies will always lead to an impoverished class, they rely on it to work properly. but we dont really know if it was a true kingdom unless a dev confirms. i just assume that the phrasing of "kingdom" implies it was a feudal monarchy

[rigid iron]

Well you can't really make a hundred candles in a day if the resource for those candles is limited. You still need a source of wax/light and we know energy sources were valuable to the spirits

[lethal stump]

we know the ancestors had brass/bronze/gold, whatever shiny metal the diamond moulds are made from, so they probably had precious metals enough to create a form of currency that was easier to regulate

[nimble ingot]

If there would be a whole beach full of diamonds, then a diamond would not be worth much.
The value of a candle is not in the wax. It is the light.
The light is what the ancestors valued and cherished.

[marsh rivet]

Can skykids get depression? Because with what they go through all the time, I'd have depression too if I was a skykid. Kind of an odd and sensitive topic, but I want to know you guys' thoughts on skykid mental health.

[lethal stump]

depends on if they have neural pathways like humans do...considering they're not really biological creatures they likely cant experience clinical depression the way we see it. but could they be emotionally unstable ? probably yeah, assuming they have emotions of their own

[hushed steeple]

Maybe under the influence of Darkness and Corruption inflicting an inbalance of light, such as one was theorized with chemicals in the human brain

[frigid tinsel]

monarchy, yes. fuedal, no. Sky is not a medieval fantasy, rather a form of science fantasy given the high grade of technology they have. as technology progresses, conditions improve and more people think, leading to enlightenment-esque ideas on how society and government should be run, changing said society and government for the better. this is how we have modern democracy and monarchies with parliament to ensure the people are seen and represented.

additionally, it is thematically inappropriate for Sky, which celebrates supportive community and mutual caring, to have the sort of extreme destitution and class oppression you are suggesting. that would require ancestors dehumanizing their fellows to accept extreme poverty as necessary to society, antithetical to how Sky is.

[lethal stump]

four humours theory but sky

[nimble ingot]

Skykids being the avatar of players, that makes theorising on the lore meta.
Simply put, if a skykid can feel love, they can feel pain.

One does not have to study for a degree in fictional anatomy to know that.

[white junco]

i tend to interpret skykids as being able to feel the same emotions and struggle with the same things that we do, even if they work in a different way. so yea, i’d say skykids can be depressed

[marsh rivet]

wait were you guys talking about sky monarchy??! ooooh sorry i interrupted with my goify skykid mental health that's way cooler 😳

[frigid tinsel]

I’d imagine so given, as you said, skykids’ situation is dire — the weight of a dead civilization and saving the world on their hands, the almost futile nature of Eden, the darkness threatening their light. they have emotions, they do not need to be biological to experience emotional highs and lows like depression.

[frigid tinsel]

One does not have to study for a degree in fictional anatomy to know that.
I feel called out

[lethal stump]

just because sky is about friendship doesnt mean there cant also be a contrast of suffering. if skykids, beings of kindness and community, are rebuilding a broken civilization that fell to cruelty against one another, i see that as adding to the narrative, not taking away. it shows hope for the next generation to heal from the sins of the past, no matter how terrible those sins were

[white junco]

the ancestors still placed great importance on community. skykids are their descendants, the two communities aren’t opposites

[rigid mural]

I don't think Ancestors would have late stage capitalism and grind culture like we do tbh

[slim plume]

Valley would have so much advertisements and clickbait imo

[white junco]

me getting in my boat in the morning for a 1 hour commute to golden valley to work a desk job and then commute 1 hour back home

[nimble ingot]

We don't know what caused the darkness to spread in the game. All we know is there was a storm, the stars fell and people fell.

Making friends is the very crux of the game. Without friends, you would be having a hard time and eventually falter.
The game has gone over this idea so many times. It has been ingrained throughout its history.

[fickle wing]

ngl the second paragraph hits the nail on the head for how i feel abt a handful of thoughts out there that go into the sorta thing of ppl saying ancestors did all these p Yikes things n go full 100% angst w theories
like. Folks can go ahead n do that if they want or whatever ig but looking at the themes of sky being stuff like community n healing n friendship just throws it all off when ppl try n shoehorn all that stuff in
like yeah it’s possible to have darker elements to stories n theories n do it in a way that works well but a good chunk of stuff folks do is like a pizza cutter
all edge no point
it doesn’t even add at all to the story n is there for oo angst reasons so dark so like ??????

[rigid mural]

THIS PICTURE PRETTY MUCH

[fickle wing]

EXACTLY

[lethal stump]

you can add angst and it still have a point but go ahead i guess. almost like conflict is what makes a story

[white junco]

there’s a difference between angst and headcanoning characters as awful people for no reason

[rigid iron]

Yeah there's not a ton of evidence supporting a feudal society. I mean, good for you if you'd like to interpret it in that way and that makes you happy, but that would fall under farfetched headcanon/au territory

[compact shale]

(eats the roller)

[fickle wing]

sometimes folks just

[lethal stump]

you cant heal if you were never hurt

[rigid mural]

I think the kingdom exploding counts as hurt

[white junco]

i mean the apocalypse happened that’s a pretty canon hurt

[compact shale]

They say fandoms tend to fill in what is missing

No I'm not gonna finish that

[frigid tinsel]

it's better to have never been hurt so unncessarily at all. plus there is already darker elements to the Sky world that reflect real life – environmental devastation, animal cruelty, technological isolation, war, apocalypse – all to make the kingdom's society flourish, flourish in a way that they shared their wealth and cared for their fellow citizens. there is nothing suggesting the kingdom had an oppressive class system. there is already enough hurt to heal from.

[lethal stump]

yeah but what led to that apocalypse ? its not just one day resh woke up and decided to end his whole kingdom
the reason i see the kingdom in a darker light is because these catastrophes dont just happen. they require build up. they require the necessary material conditions. so i headcanon a world with those material conditions

[stone cargo]

(hi krii, bea, brick, vela, spade ❤️

hello also rest of lore chat)

[white junco]

yea the thing that led to that apocalypse was the overuse of darkstone and abuse of light creatures. that is in the game

[fickle wing]

darkstone makes u act a lil goofy

[nimble ingot]

The King is gone. They can no longer be saved.
They had gone to the angst void and did not return

[frigid tinsel]

and I just listed what those material conditions were – blindlessly hurting the environment and it's creatures in the creation of darkstone technology.

[rigid iron]

He woke up and chose violence (canon)

[rigid mural]

He was forced to eat darkstone when he was 6

[nimble ingot]

headcanon acknowledged, but not universally accepted.

[lethal stump]

thats not. material conditions. gah.
yanno what i dont even care im gonna just go do my dialectical analysis in peace.

[frigid tinsel]

I don't think you know what material conditions are but sure

[untold notch]

what kinda things count as material conditions

[white junco]

hi star!

[sharp lichen]

The King is like a mascot of angst at this point

[rigid mural]

Like I get that not everything is rainbows and sunshine, but Sky already has this buildup you're talking about; you got Tearful Light Miner's memory, the Shattering intro poem, the Golden Wasteland hinting at a war, the Treasure Reef likely being the site of experiments on light creatures and so on, it's underestimating the game to think dark topics aren't already being explored.

[white junco]

me burrowed deep in the gw sand hearing some people talk about sky as just “that pretty game”
not exaggerating, saw many folks react poorly to shattering bc “it doesn’t fit the themes of sky”

[frigid tinsel]

there's a lot of angst potential you can further explore from the environmental devastation, the animal cruelty, the implied war, and the fact that the ancestors went extinct after the Eden calamity

[fickle wing]

light miners memory just
man
i remember seeing it for the first time n after a bit it kinda hit me what they were trying 2 say w that bit and like it kinda made me stop for a sec cause like i wasn’t expecting that sorta thing from this pretty flying game i found on the appstore

[rigid iron]

"the material conditions of society are what influence our desires and intellectual development" so material conditions would be whatever influenced resh to want darkstone/build better technology

[marsh rivet]

meowmeow I've already come back and I say: Sky has a corrupt monarchy, kinda like France in the 1700's. especially in Forest. Bet that the GW war was not a fight against darkness, but more a fight against forest which was lost as they were incredibly technically advanced, so when GW lost the war it just kind if became Forest Elder's personal Trash deposit for drained light creatures, hebce the immense amount of krill and darkness. Forest Elder was probably some sort of Corrupt, power-hungry monarch who exploited Prairie for riches (Light creatures to power Diamonds) and all other realms kind of noticed too late/never.

[fickle wing]

homie where did you even pull that from

[marsh rivet]

no idea

[slender panther]

hey guys

[frigid tinsel]

Forest has a boneyard so

[magic marlin]

wait where do u get the idea of the forest elder being powerhungry and corrupt?? [i do not mean thiz in a negative way btw]
i dont get that at all from their cutscene or temple, honestly i get the opposite from them; the fact they have that little area of forest behind their temple, completely untouched and full of light, locked behind a door, makez me think they cared at least a little about the damage theyd been doing with darkstone mining, and wanted to fight against it

[rigid iron]

Material conditions in Sky could be just about anything. Power, influence, greed, etc. Doesn't necessarily say much about the kind of system the Kingdom lived by, feudalism or otherwise. Could be like our current society where 1% of people do 90% of environmental damage, so material conditions would really mostly apply to whatever malicious thoughts are rattling around in Resh's hollow coconut

[nimble ingot]

Agreed.
Naturally, the game cannot go into detail on serious topics (such as depression, death, pain, cruelty etc.) without jeopradising the family oriented rating the game has.
However, it is able to give the impression across to some extend and allow knowledgeable and mature players to fill in the gaps, while sparing younger players. Hence the idea of having friends being key to fully exploring the game.
One would not expect young players to be taking on challenges head on, though can still give aid to players that do.

Despite its flaws, it does seemingly intend to explore topics cautiously, then delve deeper upon revisiting the same topic.
Hence why seasons quests and later updates slowly give more lore beans, and more intense content for players who are willing to seek it out.

[frigid tinsel]

yea, I see Forest Elder as a bit mean, but not power hungry nor corrupt. if anything, they seem so morose in their cutscene – corrupt leaders double down until they die.

[slender panther]

what’s the topic today guys 😁

[nimble ingot]

When is the new shard quest out?

[frigid tinsel]

#questions-and-help but Thursday

[magic marlin]

itz been jumping around but after some backreading itz been mostly if skykidz can experience thingz like depression and pain, along w how the kingdom used to be like :]

[slender panther]

i’m going to pull my sky kid out of my screen and personally ask them

FR 😭😭😭😭

[nimble ingot]

I meant rhetorically, though thanks, @frigid tinsel 😄
I get the feeling the shards may be ramping up to a finally.
From crabs, jellyfish, mantas, to Krill. What else do we have left?
Fish? Eel? The leviathan? Or even something else?
These are shards from Eden, wouldn't they possibly involve some events from Eden itself?

[marsh rivet]

that is the truth. maybe, after the light creatures slowly got less and less and some species got endangered, Forest Elder finally realized that what they were doing was wrong? Probably. They probably tried to preserve the creatures behind the temple, yes. Those are some good points. So, all in all: Forest Elder wasn't corrupt, they just became greedy over time and realized what the heck they were doing way too close to too late.

[frigid tinsel]

I don't think greedy either – just doing what they thought was right. turned out, they were wrong

[slender panther]

real

[white junco]

i don’t think someone could be greedy and power hungry and be described like this

[magic marlin]

exactly !!! i think they were really just misguided
they were doing what they thought waz best for the kingdom, and felt regret when it came about that they were very, very wrong.

[fickle wing]

ngl first bit of their light awaits cutscene just
gives off regretful vibes

[slender panther]

when i’m in a FACTS REAL 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 competition and my opponent is Jay

[marsh rivet]

oh wait yeah, that makes even more sense! Forest Elder, being mislead by the misconception that what they were doing was right and that they were just making the kingdom stronger, only later realizing that it in fact wasn't! True true.

[slender panther]

ME GIGGLING (Real)

[fickle wing]

fighting for my life 2 get the clip of what im talking abt thru

[nimble ingot]

In light awaits concept art, the forest elder was considered to be a trickster at one point.
Misguiding skykids in a misty maze with alluring balls of light in the distance.

[slender panther]

SHEES SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO 😁😁😁😁😁

[marsh rivet]

woah okay this changes things.. again!!?

[nimble ingot]

"Oh no. My Diamond. It's Broken" /J
(Couldn't resist)

[fickle wing]

going INSANE at the reaction on the vid cause i just remembered discord says the name of the emoji

[slender panther]

Don’t let that emoji out to the locals it’s my creation (i’m laughing so hard)))

[magic marlin]

HELP HEHEHEHBHJBVKDF

[rigid mural]

OOUUH THEY LOOK LIKE THEY HAVE WRIST PAINS TOO

[raw crypt]

Ohh that video is so interesting, it almost looks like their hand is hurt, carpal tunnel the artist struggle 💔💔💔

[fickle wing]

pov. Isle elder

[slender panther]

OHHOHHH UR RIGHT

[fickle wing]

light awaits teth cutscene my beloved my everything like. The one we have rn is cool n all but oog…………

[nimble ingot]

Can say the same thing for Dawn elder's

[slender panther]

light awaits teth my beloved

[fickle wing]

TRUE

peepaw moment

[raw crypt]

HI GEEZER

[slender panther]

GET IT GRAND PA!

[magic marlin]

they take one step and u just hear the crinkling sound of aluminum foil [it iz their bonez]

[white junco]

mate the first time i saw dawns LA cutscene i cried i got jumpscared by the feels

[fickle wing]

they sound like a minecraft skeleton

[slender panther]

HELP ME

[rigid mural]

ily dawn elder

[slender panther]

He’s tall so he’s cool (wait. hold on is daleth tall i haven’t been keeping up..i forgot…….sorry……….walks away shamefully..(

[sharp lichen]

Average lorechat veteran

[foggy lotus]

this look threatening to me/hj

[slender panther]

i’m not a veteran i’m new here. i jsut Got here . i’m so. sad. so sos sad

[white junco]

(image by slink)

[slender panther]

OH THIS IS REAL THIS IS REAL! THIS IS REAL.!!!!!! REAL

[magic marlin]

SO TRUE SOOOO TRUE I AGREE FOR REAL

[raw crypt]

everytime i see this image its so true bit also i think of the “lets take ibuprofen together” meme bc of the pose

[nimble ingot]

Same, even if the scene was in Light Awaits (before my time in Sky). I wish the boats were there, I wish the elder could show some of that cool staff skills, I hope the mask falling apart bit was either retconned or possibly told in a different way if that detail is canon.

Dawn deserves to be its own realm, not just a moth daycare that is more intend on sending skykids out to find all of the other realms.
The elder being the ferryman is a major part of the lore with the boats.

[fickle wing]

the way they fall back apart in the light awaits cutscene after activating the boats for you makes me just

[raw crypt]

SOBS… PEEPAW…

[fickle wing]

bawling

[slender panther]

peepaw no..no..No..no…why does this have to hapepn..nononono…aghhsahjjagua..pepaw…it’s Ok. i,l save Yiu.

[fickle wing]

also balling (shoutout to that 1 mural in dawn)

[foggy lotus]

we were supposed to go to prarie in boats??

[slender panther]

AUAGEJWHAGAUSYAGhagsauuagahaaga aAGHHH AGH AGH AGH 🔥AGH AGH🔥 AGH🔥🔥(sorry i started burning in fire while i was laughing)

[eternal totem]

I was feeling sad about old beta Isle then I got slam dunked with Isle balling

[frigid tinsel]

that's why I think the Elders burn through light, hence the need for light offerings – the light awakens them by giving them energy, but their actions use that energy and light.
granted this is Light Awaits so idk if it's still true in SCOTL but there has to be a reason the Elders need to be awakened by our light.

[fickle wing]

grabbing this thought n putting it in the pile of things i think r neat

[nimble ingot]

Dawn elder may be the best basket player, or the best hoop.

[rigid mural]

Maybe they lost this light at first but with the offerings growing more and more numerous, they regained enough strenght to keep their mask !

[frigid tinsel]

so once the ancestors died out, there was nobody to give the Elders light offerings to replenish their energy. as the Elders used to the last of their light, they fell unconscious.

I wrote a quip about Vault Elder from this line of thought, hold on.

[raw crypt]

i think skycord should allow everyone to swear once so i can post your honour im balling meme /j

[fickle wing]

ur honor im fricking balling

[slender panther]

censor the swear word silly style like how krii did it

[raw crypt]

stupid moth im [redacted] balling

[frigid tinsel]

so I think Vault Elder has the ability to summon the other Elders into their pocket dimension since they're all there in Vault's cutscene.

in my ficverse, after the Eden calamity, they were all locked away in their pocket dimensions but still alive for a time. Vault Elder tried summoning all the Elders to their space, but failed. they use the last of their light trying to reunite the other Elders, yet cannot reach them, and dies.

then the skykids' light offerings reawaken Vault Elder. at first, they have periods where they slowly build their strength then do one big push to try to call all the Elders back together, using up most of their light in the process. each time it fails and they pass out. the skykids reawaken them, oblivious to Vault Elder's struggle.

Vault Elder has only the knowledge in their mind to help them but isn't sure what the problem is. they keep trying, but each failure only brings them more sorrow. are they meant to be alone forever? it would be an apt punishment, they find, but they refuse to give up.

overtime, as each of the Elders regain their strength, Vault Elder is able to grasp a faint sense of their presences, something they never felt before. they use these wisps of this sensation for one more ritual, pushing nearly all of their light into it, and calls for the Elders. they stand on weary legs, waiting.

finally, the Elders arrive.

Vault Elder collapses in Dawn's arms and cries. they apologize for siding with the king for so long, for turning away from each other and Megabird, and lament the loss of the ancestors. the other Elders form a big group hug and the warmth of their light keeps Vault Elder conscious.

[slender panther]

stupid moth im balling

[sharp lichen]

This is the worst image in this server

[raw crypt]

:(

[sharp lichen]

It’s horrifying

[frigid tinsel]

Baud I can think of much much worse

[sharp lichen]

Even still the last thing I expected in this chat is Isle Ancestors balling

[nimble ingot]

Sky is a game and some bugs can be so much more cursed than a basketball hoop meme.

[eternal totem]

Baud can't handle the balling

[nimble ingot]

See, log moth, darkness glitch, chrome krill.

[sharp lichen]

I thought the isle ancestors can never be balling

[foggy lotus]

isle elder would instantly crumble if hit with a basketball

[eternal totem]

"They will never be balling"
⛹️