#lore-discussion-spoilers

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untold notch
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english is a horrible amalgamation of many languages

snow cosmos
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exactly

nimble ingot
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lol, you may have not met Afrikaans then.

German + Dutch + a bit of French and you get that hybrid of a language.

frigid tinsel
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as a writer, I fight English every day

keen shore
lethal stump
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My current idea of a creation myth goes something like this:

There was always Light and Dark. But in the before times, they were unconcentrated, wild. Eventually, the Light and Dark came together to create the Primordial Beings, The Megabird and The Megapod. These beings of Primordial Light and Darkness created the universe, the planets, the stars, chipping in equally in what was considered their creation. One planet was given Life. That planet was first a planet of water, created by the Megapod; then the planet had islands high above the water, created by the Megabird; then the planet had continents, created by the Megapod. On this planet they created living beings of Light, Dark, Neither, and Both. The beings of Dark lived deep below the waves, the beings of Light lived high in the clouds, and the beings of Neither and Both were spread throughout the land. The stars aided them in this creation, and all together, these deities created the world.

snow cosmos
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to be fair, the difference between German and Dutch is pretty nominal as it is. if Dutch hadn't existed as a language before German was codified it would have been included

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there are dialects of German that are more different from each other than German as a whole is different from Dutch or Afrikaans

untold notch
lethal stump
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FINALLY DONE BACKREADING

keen shore
# lethal stump My current idea of a creation myth goes something like this: There was always L...

This is the first one I’ve actually seen described so far where the deities in question create the planets. It’s one of those things where I could technically see it (due to the existence of colored lights) but the possibility that Megabird is just the creator of all of life and the stars and warmth makes a lot more sense to me on a personal level.

Personally I doubt there’s a darkness god, also specifically because of the way I believe light works as representing everything alive, with darkness on the outside as death and unchangeability. I also don’t believe in neutral beings (neither light nor dark) within the world. Am curious why Megapod is an isopod; if I had to assign darkness a fursona it would be a constrictor snake

nimble ingot
# lethal stump My current idea of a creation myth goes something like this: There was always L...

Most mythos would present this idea that before anything was made, there would be chaos. From that chaos came a spark of light, and from that light comes order, or an action.
Primordials may not be exact opposites of each other, however can embody elements that contrast one another.

As for the stars falling, several mythologies would look to stars to being pieces of light that can either bring new life, represent the past, or even guide the present. Stars are as vital to the elements of life, as is Light and Darkness.

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Ergo, a primordial can act as a god, although may not necessarily be gods.

lethal stump
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in my mythos, the Stars are the Elders, and each Primordial Being has their own set of Elders (both Megapod and Megabird have their "child" so to speak, a Prince and Princess, because parallels are fun). when the Stars fell, it was because Megabird cast her own Stars from Orbit à la Lucifer Myth. If Megapod had cast his stars from the abyss then the world would've stopped functioning- the stars fulfill many roles such as controlling weather and other natural phenomena
(these are just my HCs btw im not claiming them as fact ! i just love to worldbuild)

nimble ingot
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May I ask if you would recognise Winged Light in Sky as Stars?
Even if the name has changed a long time ago, they still have that iconic trait of shining, twinkling and star symbology.
Being Children of the Light, they may play an important role in the lore.

lethal stump
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the Winged Light are actually fragments of Alef in my mythos, they're what is left of his soul

sharp lichen
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I think they are, so maybe the “stars falling” could be a divine force sending WL to help the world

nimble ingot
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True,
The season of Performance gave a juicy nugget of lore about stars falling down.
Some would shatter and scatter to the ground, others end up as 'motes,' some become children of light, and some potentially become skykids
These are just theories and hypothesises, though are worth looking at.

keen shore
sharp lichen
sharp lichen
snow cosmos
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i think most beings in the sky world are stars of one sort or another

sharp lichen
lethal stump
# keen shore Interesting, what are your thoughts on the king reincarnation theory?

although i do not believe the king to be reincarnated, i do think that Alef was the original skykid from which all others were inspired by. I say inspired by because he was still different...likely stronger in many aspects than modern skykids. for this reason we can absorb his memories throughout sky as a source of power. his memories are stronger than an ancestor's because he's a god

sharp lichen
rigid mural
keen shore
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Has the king cannot be saved quote been sourced yet I’ve been looking for it for ages

lethal stump
rigid mural
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your lore doc isn't very well sourced ngl

snow cosmos
sharp lichen
lethal stump
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its not mine

rigid mural
sharp lichen
lethal stump
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if it was mine it wouldnt be so ugly sjhgdhgfj
also, baudshaw, the one you just sourced

keen shore
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Isn’t your name in the lore doc?

lethal stump
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just because im mentioned in it doesnt mean i own it lol

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see ? cant edit

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keen shore
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Do you know who created it? I’ve always just seen it called “brickys lore doc”, hmmm

frigid tinsel
lethal stump
rigid mural
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You made the lore moth doc tho, right ?

sharp lichen
# rigid mural it's a customer service stream tho

That is odd, I skimmed the entire video and there’s nothing of note, although someone named @thin dirge said that the video said “there used to be an Eden Elder, but now there’s nothing left to save”

lethal stump
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its been admitted that the live stream quoted is not the one linked, that live stream wasnt archived. but early lore researchers (such as Seraph) insist that the quote is genuine and was at some point stated in a now-lost livestream

sharp lichen
frigid tinsel
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The best source I have for the “king not around to be saved” anymore quip is from Seraph, but Seraph is a Skycord mod, not a dev

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rigid mural
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That's my main gripes about the way TGC disperses lore, we rely on word-of-mouth

sharp lichen
frigid tinsel
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You can tell by the number of pixels

raw crypt
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omega count how many pixels are in this image

lethal stump
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if i had a nickel for every pixel in that picture i'd have 50 cents

rigid mural
raw crypt
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i imagine that it was a twitch stream which dont stay up after so long (30 days i think?) so it got lost if no one archived it, but even then i dont like having an unsourced quote so i just kinda disregard it GNFHDB

lethal stump
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i doubt theyd be lying, the fact its unsourced is annoyinng tho

frigid tinsel
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If it’s unsourced, then it’s no better than heresy.

Also that livestream translation doc, hmm

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lethal stump
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our best bet is asking a dev to confirm the quote

sharp lichen
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Would the devs even remember who said it? It was over 2 years ago

lethal stump
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they might not remember who said it, but they can confirm if its true or not

frigid tinsel
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iirc when asked Sagomay about the “lost livestream,” Sagomay had no idea what we meant. Granted, they did find it, but at the moment questioned they had no clue

nimble ingot
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Pardon for digging in the lorechat. Here is the first instance of the "Hello new Lore Moff" doc being credited to Bricky by @tender dune
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

rigid mural
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Yeah I happened to remember Ash said to ask a community dev when Sagomay showed up

keen shore
frigid tinsel
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It’s because of the lightseekers, huh

rigid mural
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The design of the masks also match the levels they’re from, though I don’t know if anyone has noticed them! Those small marks carry a message about each level.
pEyes

untold notch
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vela "not patient zero" mr gay strikes again

keen shore
nimble ingot
lethal stump
white junco
lethal stump
keen shore
# lethal stump thats the "lore doc" i made im also one of the admins on the theory doc...speaki...

Am confused, but this one also has

Who’s the King?
The King is the presumed monarch of the Sky Kingdom. He is important to the lore, and is in game, just not in the way you’d expect. The little information about him comes from the concept arts and devs, so there’s lots of room for your personal headcanons. It is commonly accepted that the King is the Eden Elder. The Eden Elder is « not around to be saved anymore ».

Which is the information we’re contentious on

frigid tinsel
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Pardon the not straight lines, I’m in a car but this caught my attention.
brb making Crab Whisperer middle-aged

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lethal stump
nimble ingot
frigid tinsel
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Again, that’s a mod, not a dev, so even then it’s contentious

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fickle wing
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its basically like a game of telephone at this point w that 1 quote

lethal stump
nimble ingot
lethal stump
keen shore
fickle wing
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the owl bit w shush reminded me of how a handful of of ts from vault have hints related to coffee/being a night owl
anyways i think there should b like nap time in vault me tjink they need it

keen shore
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Shush eastern screech owl fursona real

frigid tinsel
tepid veldt
keen shore
rigid mural
keen shore
rigid mural
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shushing light scholar my beloved

lethal stump
keen shore
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Crab whisperers is the hardest to figure out poking at it

tender dune
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@nimble ingot reika answered this below, since ur looking for king stuff.

rigid mural
keen shore
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It kinda reminds me of a spear but hmmm

sharp lichen
rigid mural
keen shore
tepid veldt
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i was thinking abt that when i googled the lightseekers spirit for the alignment chart
“huh, sls looks weird…where is the tall thing”

old bolt
rigid mural
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manifesting this spirit to come back before the end of the year bc they only came once then never again 💔

keen shore
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It’s because they d

frigid tinsel
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Oi

rigid mural
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placing cake offerings on the pedestal at home

untold notch
regal forge
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Performance guides favorite ice cream is pistachio and I will not be convinced otherwise

sharp lichen
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NO HOW DARE YOU

keen shore
frigid tinsel
snow cosmos
keen shore
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Dropping the every spirit is non-binary fun lore fact because Idk if birdlem knows yet and I think they would rlly enjoy it

snow cosmos
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yes!! i do and i love it sm

keen shore
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ITS MY FAVORITE LORE FACT, xe/xemming rain

snow cosmos
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i still use binary pronouns for some of em when writing just bc it can get confusing when everyone is "they" but yes
neos for valley elders too

lethal stump
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valley elders are above gender. their gender is sports and chaos.

snow cosmos
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correct

keen shore
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I prefer using they/them as a blanket group, and also because I really enjoy myself being represented but I also really enjoy messing around with pronouns sometimes. Like everyone he/hims dawn because beard, essentially the most boring logic you can think of, I cancel it out with she/her

keen shore
untold notch
frigid tinsel
rigid mural
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i think the ancestors would have neo bc they arent humans and dont have a gender binary

snow cosmos
pastel brookBOT
nimble ingot
white junco
rigid mural
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the scholar pWow

snow cosmos
pastel brookBOT
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but what if the mods are HERE?!

nimble ingot
# keen shore I prefer using they/them as a blanket group, and also because I really enjoy mys...

Agreed.
When discussing the lore in general, going with they/them would do with referring to elders, or even spirits and skykids for that matter.
In Sky, the characters may not have a gender, as the lore is open to interpretation.

Even though some names would have an implication to a gender (ex. ferryman, cool forest aunt, grandma, king etc.), this may be up to the player's interpretation, while the an objective (as in non-biased) perspective would not have a gender.

nimble ingot
frigid tinsel
white junco
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me looking at anxious angler

lethal stump
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i think the biggest power move is having a gendered title thats the opposite of one's gender presentation. my version of resh is very fem for that reason

snow cosmos
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fair enough! then again, there are absolutely nb folks who are comfortable with or prefer she/her or he/him, so i feel like it's acceptable to use them as well? as long as one isn't saying this character is cis

frigid tinsel
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She/her Isle Elder. He/Him Forest Elder

tepid veldt
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i always feel kind of unsure what pronouns to use for my skykid ocs, because everyone in sky doesnt have a gender, so should they not have gendered pronouns as well? SkyThink

lethal stump
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just because they dont have a gender doesnt mean they cant use gendered pronouns.
expression =/= gender

frigid tinsel
slim plume
# frigid tinsel She/her Isle Elder. He/Him Forest Elder

I have an art project that I want to do that's basically drawing all the Elders but as opposite to how most of the sky fandom sees them. So she/her Isle, Prairie, Valley Elder SkyElderValley1 , Wasteland and he/him Forest, the other Valley Elder SkyElderValley2 and Vault

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lethal stump
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i saw lamed as a dude my first playthrough and was honestly surprised most folks saw them as a woman SkyLOL

tepid veldt
slim plume
nimble ingot
# lethal stump i think the biggest power move is having a gendered title thats the opposite of ...

That may be a redundant point.
As using a gender would cause one's theory to be fanon or a headcanon. It makes discussing the canonicity of the lore (if any) a bit more difficult.
That said, it may either cause confusion among newer theorists, or annoyance to theorists looking engage with the lore.

Banter and jokes aside, one can reasonably deduce a King would not be feminine, neither would a Queen be masculine. Thus the english language did present a neutral title such as Ruler or Majesty.
While one can reasonably presume a individual with a flat chest and a long beard is masculine; or a figure in a long dress and long hair would come across as feminine.
When it comes to the lore of Sky, the binary extremes of gender (male vs female) have been left up for interpretation, and thus purposefully left up to the reader to interpret.

keen shore
sharp lichen
snow cosmos
nimble ingot
keen shore
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Psst Raider just so you know, it does kinda suck for me as an agender person to see characters with my gender be misinterpreted as up to interpretation. Would prefer if you didn’t imply that, Ty!

uncut pond
lethal stump
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gender is whatever but i think the baseline we can all agree on is anyone's interp of sky character genders is valid

uncut pond
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I'm verrrry sure it was canon they're agender but don't quote me on that

slim plume
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Every spirits' pronouns are were/was I don't make the rules I just do /J

keen shore
sharp lichen
lethal stump
keen shore
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Different pronouns are fine, but also it’s worth noting that almost all the times I see people go “oh skys gender is up to interpretation” not only is it wrong, but also they always use it as an excuse to gender them through an obviously cisnormative lens and it’s super exhausting and defeats the purpose

slim plume
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Can't believe that'll be my last message because I have to go, c yall!

lethal stump
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i suppose, salem, youre free to see it that way, and honestly youre correct
i am just very attached to certain hcs that go against that and they can be pried from my cold dead hands

frigid tinsel
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It’s funny watching blokes fight over whether a spirit or Elder is a woman or a man, especially ones who got the genderfunk rolling like Mellow Musician or Cackling Cannoneer. Y’all, their gender is zilch

keen shore
snow cosmos
lethal stump
tepid veldt
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ill also take my leave for now SkySneak and also because i actually need to focus on schoolwork

rigid mural
snow cosmos
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any character i like or relate to is automatically not cis /hj

nimble ingot
uncut pond
frigid tinsel
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It’s one thing having your personal headcanons. It is another forcing gender onto canonically agender characters, in which is it disrespectful to nonbinary people in general

snow cosmos
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it's cool to take cis characters and use them to give representation to not-cis people
it's significantly less cool to take non-cis characters away from the people they represent

frigid tinsel
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Especially when trans representation, especially non-binary representation, is so scarce

keen shore
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Thank you both so much, I really appreciate the support on this topic & it helps me a lot.💛 It just kinda sucks finally having a bunch of characters that represent my very rarely seen identity and then 90% of the fandom just stomps all over that anyways

snow cosmos
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of course! enby folk gotta stick together 💚

tepid veldt
snow cosmos
keen shore
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Digging to find the holy slink image

rigid mural
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it's also annoying to have the gender convo for the 952285th time because some people still view the world through their tired cisnormative lenses
fun fact, in french a lot of spirits are gnc since we dont have neutral pronouns

raw crypt
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tabbed out of rw to sned

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rigid mural
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some people were MAD at french he/him daydream forester

tepid veldt
keen shore
keen shore
frigid tinsel
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Also guys can have long flowery hair, nothing wrong with that

sharp lichen
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Epic embed fail SkyLOL

snow cosmos
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forgot that gifs don't work; it was a bunch of the guys from the musical Hair

rigid mural
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some people will look at mellow musician and go "eyup that spirit is cis"

white junco
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every time people go “oh this spirit is this gender in a language that doesn’t have gender neutral! that means they canonically have gender” i die i saw it happening with botanist and student a lot back during assembly

keen shore
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Saw people arguing over whether cannoneer was male or female once and neither side refused to back down and it made me laugh so hard I cried

white junco
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they’re gay next question

sharp lichen
keen shore
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It was a comment section and I was both too lazy to subject myself to that and also watching it continue was too funny to stop

snow cosmos
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cannoneer has a side shave, they're obviously nb

white junco
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one time i tabbed into #questions-and-help and someone was complaining about “girl cosmetics,” never again

pastel brookBOT
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Did someone call the fun police??

tepid veldt
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no skybot
but hello

white junco
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hi skybot

rigid mural
snow cosmos
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i would say one should do their best to consider the world from the viewpoint of those not included in their values, and go from there

frigid tinsel
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If your personal values says everyone has to be a man or a woman, then yea you should deny them

nimble ingot
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ok, good luck folks.

rigid mural
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what is that supposed to mean ?

sharp lichen
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That’s ominous

rigid mural
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i like giving spirits my friends neos when they remind me of eachother
xe/xem forest elder

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ey/em wasteland elder
xe/hir ceasing commodore

white junco
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omg ey/em

rigid mural
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i just think it's more wholesome that way, projecting your friends on the spirits so you're reminded of them even when they are offline

snow cosmos
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that's so cute, i love that

pastel brookBOT
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why does nobody ask for me?pWeep

rigid mural
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tbh i hc that ancestor language doesn't have pronouns

sharp lichen
sly lake
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It sounds like Skybot wants some gifted to them too. SkyLOL

white junco
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skybot neopronouns?

tepid veldt
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chaos/chaoself

sharp lichen
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Not chaotic enough

snow cosmos
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what if pronouns that don't have anything to do with gender dimorphism
what if a pronoun for dark and a pronoun for light
what if a pronoun for animate and a pronoun for inanimate

what if there are more useful distinctions than body parts

sharp lichen
livid crypt
copper saffron
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Lorechat really is unpredictable

white junco
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now this is the kind of lore i like to see

sharp lichen
tepid veldt
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on a completely unrelated note my friend just asked abt how i identify and was trying to understand it. thanks man 🤍

copper saffron
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Oh my gosh the maths
3 days
I went to bed, woke up, and yall were still at it
Whats lapis tho

white junco
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a resource in minecraft you can use to enchant things

sharp lichen
earnest briar
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Ayo Vela, I for one hc the Valley Elders as being trans

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As in they're Transformers, they're Combiners who turn into a motorcycle with a side seat attachment and constantly bicker about who gets to be the motorcycle and who gets to be the side seat.

sharp lichen
white junco
earnest briar
lethal stump
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ive actually been making a conlang for sky, and the grammatical genders are Animate and Inanimate, however i have yet to get to pronouns, ive been having conniptions over verbs

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if anyone wants me to ramble about conlang stuff i can do that. i am far too exciteable about language and how they reflect a culture

frigid tinsel
lethal stump
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oh ? what happened ?
(you are allowed to dm me to explain)

frigid tinsel
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Just gonna say Lapis really liked Vault Elder

lethal stump
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thats foreboading

rigid mural
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good bird, can we not mention what lapis did to get banned here /nm

sharp lichen
white junco
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i just remember them being very rude about someone’s timeline theory not being canon like. yeah dude that’s why it’s called a theory

fickle wing
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who’s lapis again

edit nvm remembered

frigid tinsel
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Gone

earnest briar
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Like 'notice me senpai' but way worse.

frigid tinsel
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Anyways

lethal stump
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does anyone wanna talk conlangs

fickle wing
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anyways what if baby krill squeaked like gator hatchlings i tjink thatd b silly

earnest briar
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Hey Alasdair what do you think about the Valley Elders genders being vroom/vroom🏍️

frigid tinsel
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Been thinking about these

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white junco
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i think it’s neat that they disappear when you lay down in orbit (probably just a bug bc it happens in all water but yeah)

rigid mural
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THE ELDERS REGAINED ENOUGH STRENGHT TO HELP US I AM SO !! THE EVERS

earnest briar
fickle wing
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holding a lil krill like a ferret just

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white junco
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i hope we get masks for the other 3 realms i would actually die /positive

fickle wing
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samekh masks pspspsps

white junco
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tsadi…

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i go to orbit and i see dusk and i run around in circles they’re so cool

frigid tinsel
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Sunset sheild mask would be interesting cos the shield masks mirror the Elders’ masks and Sunset’s masks are featureless

untold notch
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inb4 glowing faceless

rigid mural
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what if they gave a prop
the sticks

keen shore
frigid tinsel
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Give us paddles, finally skykids have a weapon

tepid veldt
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but couldnt they do arson whenever they wanted to

rigid mural
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a healthy life of crime requires a variety of felonies !

tepid veldt
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true true

keen shore
frigid tinsel
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These pics are when after bad things happened to them

tepid veldt
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well darn

frigid tinsel
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They got Day Elder’s shield mask out of it though

keen shore
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I’m sorry I had to make that joke, (confession I already knew about the bad things)

But yeah on the topic of elder shields because Id LOVE to talk about them. Do you think the spirits with elder masks in each realm (rejecting voyager for example) had them before they died and we just buy the spirit version, because that would be extremely sweet

keen shore
keen shore
snow cosmos
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unrelated to anything, but i'm hanging out in Harmony Hall and i've determined that Performance Guide and Frantic Stagehand are QPPs

keen shore
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I have a (very much joke) theory about that. I totally agree but also… iirc you don’t really see them interact similarly during quests. Also performance has an identical twin whose only distinguishing features are easily changeable (hair and clothes)

suspicious

tepid veldt
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what does qpp stand for pSkyPeek

uncut pond
snow cosmos
tepid veldt
keen shore
snow cosmos
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on the topic of harmony hall- you know how there’s that area at the top, across from the aurora mural, with the painted backgrounds for the stage? i was looking, and i noticed the eden one is being painted differently than the one we actually see at the stage. wondering if someone just got creative with the colors or whether there’s something there

this post brought to you by i wanna color it in tgc art season when

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tepid veldt
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perhaps its just unfinished? that’s why its hidden away ish SkyThink

snow cosmos
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oh it's definitely unfinished, i was more looking at the diamond at the top
you're good! i'm probably overthinking it bc i saw Performance Guide doing the evil laugh emote while standing in front of it tbh

tepid veldt
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i need to see that

keen shore
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Inb4 it’s foreshadowing for shattering that we didn’t pick up on

tepid veldt
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also, crab whisperer being crab whisperer

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keen shore
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They’re just doing a shush impression don’t mind them

frigid tinsel
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They’re sleepy

soft timber
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Crab Whisperer: laying on the floor, asleep
iydll: What is this?

frigid tinsel
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Wake them and they’ll bite

graceful jungle
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so do anyone know if you wrote a story about sky where should u send it?

tepid veldt
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i gave them a hug SkyCrabwalk

graceful jungle
raw crypt
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Unfortunately this server doesn’t have a designated writing channel, however people like to link their writing here or in promo, some do im fanart channels but those tend to prioritize visual art over writing^^;

lethal stump
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hey @keen shore am i allowed to dm you ?

keen shore
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I would prefer if you wouldn’t as I get very anxious over dms, thank you! We can talk here if necessary.

lethal stump
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okay. i just wanted to apologize if during the earlier discussion about the gender of the characters in sky i hurt your feelings or came off as rude. im trans myself and for personal psychological reasons i just have weird hangups about things related to gender. i didnt intend for anything i said to be offensive however i can see how it could be read as such and in that case im sorry.

hollow pier
lethal stump
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we were talking about the lack of source for the eden elder cant be saved thing

past canyon
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Regarding that doc, is there any consensus about what this refers to?

Lore hints from Ash:
“A fun crab lore fact: there's a specific reason for the way that Sky's crabs walk the way they do. their walkcycle mimics something...
Its the walk cycle, but what that mimics is also relating to what the crabs are, technically. How crabs are born/made/created/come to be. What are crabs 🦀”

frigid tinsel
# lethal stump okay. i just wanted to apologize if during the earlier discussion about the gend...

Just wanna add that one should be sure not to let one’s own personal gripes harm other people. It’s something one handles internally, especially if it something as sensitive as gender.

You’re not the first — this has come up before many many times, so I just want to plug a piece of a relevant Reddit post for anyone to read. It’s about non-binary Undertale characters, but it rings true for Sky as well.

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keen shore
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Struggling to find the correct phrasing for responses as I’m all over the place rn but I wanted to mention real quick that I was also focusing on the fanbase as a whole, and also that I have done the “don’t worry it’s just my headcanons” and “up to interpretation” dances so many times that it kinda blurs together at this point and do my best to shut it down as fast as possible if that makes sense

copper saffron
uncut pond
keen shore
# past canyon Regarding that doc, is there any consensus about what this refers to? >Lore hin...

my theory that I’ve been kicking around for a bit is that they’re corrupted jeyllfish! (Sorry for the change in topic btw, just wanted to get this out & bc anxiety)

  • Similar number of tentacles and legs. (It might actually be the same but I keep forgetting to count…)
  • Crabs flip when you deep call near them, and jellies call back when you deep call near them; both the only creature responses to your call
  • Calls sound extremely similar to the point of easily being confused for each other
  • Jellyfish stay in one specific area and circle it without moving far away, so do crabs
  • although they are not that visually similar it is somewhat easy to visualize how jellyfish could become a crab especially because they are so immaterial(?) jelly-y? Not the right word but I hope it comes across.
  • often but not always found in the same areas
frigid tinsel
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I think it’s best not to touch that right now /srs

uncut pond
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I think that if somebody tells you it's not the time then it's best to not insist

(Just to clarify I have no idea what's going on here)

white junco
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why are you dragging up a message from june that could potentially cause a lot of conflict in the channel

frigid tinsel
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While we gossip about Lapis cos they’re no longer in the server, the person Vela is referring to is which is against the rules to gossip about server members. Also what Spade said.
I strongly encourage you to delete that message.

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Thank you

lethal stump
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6 tentacles !

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white junco
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skrunkly

lethal stump
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oh yes enjoy my little skrungle skykid

frigid tinsel
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They process of corruption could’ve made them lose a pair of legs, like I’m pretty sure whatever krill used to be did not have that many legs to begin with

white junco
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true, flying light creatures tend to not have legs

keen shore
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My personal headcanon is that they’re manta wing bones but I have nothing to prove it with

lethal stump
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mantas dont really seemto have bones. they seem to just be. cartiladge

tepid veldt
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floppy

white junco
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i mean these are fantasy mantas so who knows

frigid tinsel
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Darkness could’ve petrified & hardened the cartilage

lethal stump
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btw krill have 9 pairs of leggy

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and 3 mandibles

past canyon
keen shore
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Am fully aware that krill being corrupted manta conglomerates is likely not canon, I’m just putting it down because it’s a headcanon of mine that I really enjoy and would explain the “Hey where do krill legs even come from” problem

white junco
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i like ur krill headcanons i steal them when you’re not looking

frigid tinsel
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Same, though I’m split between krill are conglomerates versus krill used to be larger light creatures like whales, but I’m looking at the leviathan for the latter

white junco
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step 1: get whale
step 2: stick mantas on the whale
step 3: krillification

lethal stump
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we know krill are corrupted light creatures...maybe what they were originally have all been corrupted so we dont have surviving examples of pre-corruption krills ? like. all of population A turned into population B so we dont know what population A looks like

white junco
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that’s another theory! we’re honestly not sure, but i do like the horror aspect of krill amalgamations

keen shore
white junco
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i was thinking of your krill when i wrote the tsadi piece
which i need a name for i’m getting tired of calling it “the tsadi piece”

keen shore
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Oh my god… that made my night thank you so much

tepid veldt
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gnight lorechat SkyWave

lethal stump
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gn iydl !

copper saffron
white junco
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tsadi dies in it

keen shore
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Full explanation of my headcanon for context:

  • Going into this I need to explain something. I have a similar headcanon concept that since memories & personality seem to be encoded in light, hence spirit memories, that the soul-light of various creatures can merge and often does so to form elder creatures such as the elder manta, hence why they vaguely look like a bunch of mantas copypasted behind each other. Ancestors can also do this but typically only do it under extreme circumstances (tearful light miner is an example) and I can explain more.

Now for the actual headcanon. Spoilered for possibly disturbing content just in case.
||Krills are what happen when a bunch of mantas are drained via refineries and dumped together in a massive pile to be disposed of. With very little light remaining, they naturally begin to seek out and merge with each other, as if creating an elder manta; however, due to the corruption inside their bodies they are already sick from the inside out. The darkness eats away all their soft flesh, twisting and sharpening their skeletons, until the krill remain.||

keen shore
white junco
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i’m honestly debating if i want to name it bc i’m still holding on to the idea that it could be part of a bigger thing but idrk at this point. i don’t have ideas for that bigger thing

lethal stump
# white junco tsadi dies in it

you have my full attention
[coughs]
lets see

Fallen Warrior
The Final Battle
Ultimate Price

theres a few. go crazy. go stupid. i love killing elders its my favourite pasttime (-resh)

keen shore
lethal stump
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depends on the kind of title you want. short stories or chapters of larger stories have different naming conventions than names of novels or series

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and depends if you like short and sweet or more elaborate titles
its like "The Sandman" vs "The Strange Case of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde" like do u want 2 words or fifty

frigid tinsel
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i like scrolling through lists of words and finding something that kinda vibes and maybe turning it into a phrase or sentence as a title or keeping it as a single word title

copper saffron
keen shore
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LATIN my hated

lethal stump
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i dont like titles in latin they always seem so pretentious SkyLOL /lh

white junco
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i usually stick with phrases, i like salems so i’ll probably lean in that direction, stuff usually just figures itself out

frigid tinsel
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then translate it into English

copper saffron
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Death in Darkness

frigid tinsel
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could be a line or phrase from the story itself

lethal stump
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yes thats always a good one !!

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i love when stories make their title a line from the story that comes through in big emotional moments

keen shore
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I’m too shy to write fics so i just drop headcanons and watch in satisfaction as all my writer friends run off with them

copper saffron
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that's so cool. one series i read had the same starting and ending line. across 12 books. it ended how it started, it's great

white junco
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i’m leaning towards something about the sun. bc dusk

compact shale
lethal stump
keen shore
frigid tinsel
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I'm thinking of lines from your fic that I remember. "Running Out of Kindling." "A Lone Flame." "Dusk Ended as the Darkness Rolled In."

copper saffron
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how about Solstice
idk just a random mildly relevant word, i havent read the thing

lethal stump
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[with full intention of giving spade a heart attack] yeah let us read it then we can give it a name /j

frigid tinsel
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I've read it – Spade is an excellent writer. I envy em at times

compact shale
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Spade, may I DM you?

white junco
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uhhh sure

frigid tinsel
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fic server?

lethal stump
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fic server ? pEyes

raw crypt
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fic server! (clueless)

lethal stump
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a fic server would be fun pHypeKid

copper saffron
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fic server? pEyes

lethal stump
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lets make a fic server

compact shale
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What the heck

copper saffron
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isnt there already one

compact shale
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There are a bunch but they're a bit deader

sharp lichen
rigid mural
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That fishing pole looks like the staff laughing light catcher uses to grab light

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frigid tinsel
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there's also a bit of light in it. if it's "bait" then light creatures, at least the fishy ones, might eat light

past canyon
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So.. On the crab walkcycle thing. I was just thinking that maybe it's about the shape of the path they follow?

I watched a crab for approx 2 mins (lol) and tried to draw its path

Probably doesn't mean anything tbf, plus I don't have a steady hand

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lethal stump
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looks like a dark plant sprout ngl

frigid tinsel
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I was thinking Ash's quote referred to the movement being analogous to a jellyfish bobbing up in down in generally the same spot, not really moving

lethal stump
past canyon
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Also I guess this mural in Sanctuary supports the jellyfish -> crab theory

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The 3 look pretty much the same but the one in the middle is def a crab

keen shore
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I think it’s just a random jelly doodle honestly! The mural clipping just makes the jellyfish look short as murals are placed as models over the surface beneath, meaning on curved surfaces like this they often clip!

compact shale
untold notch
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the hana and taion rework

basically all i did was switch their masks but hana has chronically low light so they cant leave their butterfly sanctuary and that reminded me of what alasdair (?) ssaid about darkness sickness so

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keen shore
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Hana is a mood

past canyon
untold notch
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what is a pronoun? a miserable little pile of secrets,

keen shore
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I don’t care about skykid gender since they’re usually peoples ocs!!

lethal stump
untold notch
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i have no idea what you are talking about but i really want to

lethal stump
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i would share it here but i cant. i could dm it to you if youd like though

untold notch
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that would work

lethal stump
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done

anyways has lore chat already discussed the implications of skykids eating marshmallows yet

frank goblet
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how do they obtain marshmellows in the first place aahhEyes
there's no sugar plant

frigid tinsel
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I'm of the opinion that skykids are nonbiological thus don't have a need to eat, but they can if they want to for fun or whatever.

lethal stump
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you can get sugar from any plant that produces nectar - sugarcane is just very good at that

frank goblet
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right
but like
have we SEEN sugarcane in the environment? are the jars sometimes filled with sugar?
is there a DIFFERENT plant (based on light) that the sky people could've obtained sugar from?

frigid tinsel
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if anything, they sustain themselves on light, hence their flame acting as a constant source of light. they could absorb light in an eating manner if it's in the shape of food, which the muffins from the Days of Bloom teaset and the marshmallows could be. the mochi Granny serves could also be a sort of treat where they burn away the exterior for the light inside

frank goblet
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i'm just saying that there hasn't really been any complete association as to how the actual civil economy of the sky overworld would've come together, only the bits and pieces that we're able to see in the game's 7 accessible realms. i'm definitely able to accept that this just was never the focus of the game in the first place, so there's no need to worry about it, just that....little inconsistencies like these urk me the wrong way

frank goblet
frigid tinsel
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the Prairie Elder pin poem from thatskyshop regards Prairie as having farmlands. perhaps Prairie was the agricultural hub of the kingdom where produce was grown and exported to the other realms

frank goblet
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hmmm!

lethal stump
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i totally get you klari. i keep trying to come up with theories as to how the economy and politics of the kingdom worked but none of them are very satisfying. what especially irks me is the implication via the shipwreck in wasteland that there was once overseas trade...but overseas trade with who ?

frank goblet
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was the ark a ship for overseas trade? or was it one of a few attempts at traversal to Eden/Orbit?
or, as a compromise, was the Ark a lot more like a commuter/airliner to get between (what was previously the downtown/center of) Eden and the surface of the world?

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because, i noticed--- that the clouds themselves can have a separate ground from the actual surface of the planet, and from trying to get to the wind path tunnel in Sanctuary from the bottom of the island, there's literally nothing holding up those "mountains" above the clouds

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and that it's REALLY difficult to get up there without your cape AND the help of a manta to ferry you up
same with the start of the game, going up to the first elder temple, in the Isle of Dawn

lethal stump
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the Forgotten Ark seems to be an escape vessel, an attempt to get away from the storm. however im talking about the shipwreck in wasteland that's connected to the graveyard. it looks like a port of some sort, but the sky world doesnt seem large enough to warrant that

frank goblet
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huh.. maybe you're onto something then

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actually...

frigid tinsel
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the ancestors could've shipped things within the kingdom by sea rather than land. the crabfields boat looks too big to fly imo

frank goblet
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now that makes me wonder.
...how, aside from "magic" / "it's just the natural way of the world", does the kingdom of sky stay where it is? if it's all on a giant cloud/storm, shouldn't external currents shift the kingdom around a few very distant places on the surface world?
like, the isle of dawn and the bird sanctuary almost feel more transient, since the entire kingdom could potentially be shifted somewhere else geographically over a very long timespan

lethal stump
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its def a seafaring vessel. but aside from sanc, it doesnt seem like any of the other realms have a coast connected to a big vast ocean like the wasteland

frigid tinsel
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granted there could be more of the world that is currently covered by clouds

frank goblet
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only other realm is the isle of dawn, as going up to the first elder temple brings you up to the actual kingdom

past canyon
lethal stump
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yeye. sometimes i wish sky was an open world game lol

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starlight desert is...eeeeeeeh. i mean, its existence is debateable, theres the possibility its a dream/etc, similar to the middle levels of vault

frank goblet
# past canyon Starlight dessert?

really hard to put a finger on where exactly the starlight desert is, as it seems a bit TOO dreamy to actually exist somewhere in the kingdom

frigid tinsel
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there is a wind path to the Starlight Desert, so it'd be safe to say it's location is real if you wanna muse whether what's within it is or not

frank goblet
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the giant books? the giant lantern? the giant jar that's literally it's own server?
in that case, i wonder where those dreamlike objects came from

past canyon
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I feel like they took TLP as a chance to implemen some early ideas

lethal stump
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it could be half-real ? maybe there is a little desert area beside vault but its not actually as...dreamy ?

frank goblet
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really, do we know where the VAULT is?
like yes it comes after the wasteland, and has a main elevator that brings you up to eden (if that elevator sequence really exists), but you can't see the vault "tower" from the skybox of the desert, so it's hard to tell
i mean you CAN see Eden from the desert, but it seems....farther...than it should be.

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anybody else notice that? not only is the desert farther away than the valley, but you can't even see the vault from the desert
unless the vault itself is within the mountain, i guess that could explain it

lethal stump
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yeah its really weird. you only see the vault tower from the entrance to eden that only has the top of the tower

frank goblet
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honestly begs the question of HOW FAR DID OUR POOR LITTLE SKYKID HAVE TO WALK TO GET HERE LMAO

frigid tinsel
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re: where the objects came from – there's a thought that the Starlight Desert is imbued in purple light, hence its color. purple light, as seen from the final Enchantment quest, can create objects. perhaps the ancestors who wandered in the Starlight Desert unintentionally used the purple light to create the islands where they remained trapped by their vices.

re: location of the Vault – the Vault seems to be inside the Eden mountain, hence why you can't see the tower, cos the tower is underground. you do exit the top of the Vault into Eden and, if you turn around, you can see the top of the Vault right behind you. I would show a pic if I wasn't doing a cr right now, but just before the Eden gate, you can turn around and see a structure poking out of the ground. that's the Vault summit.
there is also a piece of concept art that depicts the Vault inside the mountain, a piece of concept that seems to have survived development to in game.

re: location of Starlight Desert – it's implied that the tunnel to the Starlight Desert is very long. yes, there's a fade to black, but you walk a while from both the entrance and the exit before the transition cuts in. we don't know how for sure how long of a trek that was, but it seems it takes you far outside the mountain to Starlight Desert.

raw crypt
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I’ve always liked to imagine the desert is a part of wastelands desert that got affected by vault, especially with wasteland being the realm associated with older adulthood (and midlife crisis which, gestures)

frigid tinsel
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here's the concept I was talking about

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frank goblet
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wait, is the elevator going UP?
or DIAGONAL?

frigid tinsel
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yea concept elevator made a zigzag

frank goblet
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huh. so like one of those funnicular elevators in like halflife or resident evil, the platforms that take you down into the evil lair, or up to raise you out

frigid tinsel
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And here’s the top of Vault as seen before the Eden gate

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frank goblet
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at the top of the mountain, of course

frigid tinsel
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Not really cos we still climb up the mountain after leaving the Vault.

Also here’s the structure at the top of the Vault as shown when I got the red metal glitch

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frank goblet
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well, "top"
approaching the summit where civilization bothered to carve out/build up Eden

frank goblet
past canyon
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Also at gw temple, there's this huge wall behind the temple. I wonder if it's vault itself or at least a wall built into the mountain to protect the entrance to vault

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frigid tinsel
frank goblet
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that's absolutely amazing and imposing and i love it
but i specifically meant that strange symbolic assemblage on top of the vault tower

frigid tinsel
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It also looks funky during shards

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frigid tinsel
frank goblet
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yeah,,,

gusty light
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Idk why, it gives me science like feels to it. But now will be thinking about what it could actually mean
(I took a screenshot of your picture to draw on it 😆 @frigid tinsel )

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atomic lava
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do you guys ever think abt the fact that we have cosmetics related to animals not in the game......
how can we recreate them if we havent seen them? maybe they lived once

gusty light
untold notch
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that is an interesting qiestion actually

atomic lava
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i mean SkyThink ||before days of mischief||, did we know ||cats|| were alive in the game? maybe they're all in another world too? i wonder about them

untold notch
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the world if we could talk about beta in this channel tbh

atomic lava
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oh? 👀

untold notch
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were there cats in previous mischief events i do not remember

atomic lava
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im pretty sure they were mentioned 😭
just in case im spoilering...... saving myself

untold notch
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my brain is like a sieve so it will remain a mystery

atomic lava
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oh and another thing ! before season of abyss, we didnt know creatures like the king krill, or that cool slim blue fish existed !

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this suggests that there are any number of creatures existing that we dont know abt!! i wonder what else we haven't seen, in-game or from cosmetics, that exists out there?

untold notch
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gods know that the world sky exists in is much bigger than the game shows

atomic lava
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SkyDontGo i wish i knew what lies beyond my sight

thin dirge
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Wait, Bricky's back? pEyes Ha missed it.

mystic relic
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OMG GUYS!!!!!

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west moat
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Hey guys, better go check out the beta discussion channels if you care about the game SkyBow

glacial chasm
west moat
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I didn't give away any spoilers though

glacial chasm
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but caring about the game doesnt mean looking at beta

west moat
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If you don't want to check it, don't. That message if for those who want to

outer hare
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Bobbit and i would just like to mention that after completing a red shard event and when visiting a memory the spirit guide turns to its original blue hue with the shattered look in comparison to the red look it has at home ^^ 💜

void wharf
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There's gotta be some unexplored territory?

tepid veldt
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its believed that seasonal areas are the unexplored territory finally uncovered, although i guess its still connected to skydom SkyThink

ashen gale
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@frank goblet based on events in the starlight desert, the vault is walking distance from Eden to begin with
it's actually not that long of a walk, one of the quests sees an NPC make the trip on foot

void wharf
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I like to think that Eden and the vault was an attempt to harvest the light
The prince? Of Eden tried to build ancient technology especially the big diamond to stabilize that said energy so they could use it in their technology
But the big diamond harvesting mechanism malfunctioned and
Added impurities to the main said source of light
And it got corrupted instead
Leading to the destruction of Eden

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Also it's a personal theory of mine that elders are long dead during the current events of the sky
Possibly due to aging maybe
Or maybe deprivation of a light source
As we sky kids go to their temple
And meditate in order to enter another dimension entirely where the spirit of the elders remain
We reawaken them.

rigid mural
# void wharf I don't know if anyone else has stated this before But does anyone wonder are t...

@frigid tinsel had this idea of "outer [realm name]" for areas off the beaten paths that are usually more difficult to explore because they aren't cleared and arranged by skykids; for example, the outer wasteland would be even more barren and devoid of light to recharge at.

I think it's a really neat idea I might incorporate in my own stories because it's areas a skykid wouldn't typically go in since there's not a lot of things of interest, unlike areas such as the sunny clearing in forest or the shipwreck in wasteland that are detours from the path to the next realm but still interesting enough to be frequented; so it's great to create your own new areas such as hideouts and shelters made by skykids, or lonely spirits ocs for them to meet :]

slim plume
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I've also messed with the idea of other areas in the realms off the beaten paths that don't have too much interest for sky kids so they're not frequented as you said, specifically in Hidden Forest.

I loved the idea of Concept Forest luring you deeper into the woods while you slowly drain of light and basically made a krill kid who was like that. They could use the light they consume from sky kids to change their appearance for a certain amount of time so that by the time you realize they're not who you think they are, you're long lost and too far for any sky kid to come and save you

tepid veldt
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whenever i write i always use areas such as sunny forest/shipwreck/any seasonal area etc. as the “ooh cool place that i havent seen before” for my ocs. probably because im not creative enough to make new ones pFIRE

rigid mural
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Outer forest with stronger rains for less lanterns giving light; umbrellas become a necessary survival tool and the farther in you go, the less likely you are to find someone, let alone a fellow skykid...

untold drum
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This is a bit of a weird question but for if you took away the teleportation aspect and House, what place in the realm would logically be the main hub/village for the skykids when they aren't on their way to Eden? I tend to think the Wind Paths would be some sort of capital but I wanted to know if you had any theories

frigid tinsel
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Prob the social spaces.
Tbh I see skykids are moving around a lot, could stay in one place for a while but seldom settling down

tepid veldt
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i wanna say valley? im pretty sure it was a prosperous city (correct me if im wrong)

frigid tinsel
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I see outer Prairie kinda like the Prairie caves OOB — just miles and miles of grassland, maybe the occasional derelict farm.

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untold drum
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Thank you

rigid mural
frigid tinsel
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The American Midwest

rigid mural
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Prairie roads, take me home

tepid veldt
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To the place

untold drum
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I belong

rain pond
eternal totem
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I do like the idea that there are groups of Skykids who are acquainted to a realm more than the rest, for example: a Prairie kid would have a difficult time adjusting to Wasteland, as they can't fly anywhere freely, Wasteland kids spend more time on ground or using tunnel networks to get around safely

copper saffron
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Ooooo

tepid veldt
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Yes! I have an oc that spent basically all of their time in prairie, so when they get to forest theyre like “wait RAIN? WHAT IS THIS”

rigid mural
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OHHH YEAH
WASTELAND KIDS BEING GOOD AT SAVING THEIR LIGHT

I'd see them seeking out high places to glide from instead of wasting cape energy flying up :]

frigid tinsel
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My Wasteland Navigators are used to conserving their cape power or carry around lighting props like torches

rain pond
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i wanna eventually see climbing added to Sky because trying to fly up a wall is agony

tepid veldt
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also quinn being a forest kid w/o an umbrella is just reckless quinn SkySneak
not that he uses his umbrella for anyhthing but unbrellla jousting

void wharf
rigid mural
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Ooooo I had this idea a while ago for ancestors pEyes

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rain pond
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small brain leak but

I feel like there would be 2 archetypes of Eden skid - pre-calamity and post-calamity

the former could be split into nobles, which are less competent at survival, knights, which would be leaders in the post-calamity era, and citizens

and the latter could be people who just liked the eden vibe and decided to stay

frigid tinsel
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The darkstone wheelchair pWow

eternal totem
frigid tinsel
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I have a capeless skykid who wanders outer Wasteland. Can’t fly cos capeless but they’re a good climber and a very fast runner. They’ve been likened to a coyote.

rain pond
tepid veldt
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i used to have an oc that got around by tying balloons to themselves SkyWhew

eternal totem
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Hey, if it works, it works SkyLOL

void wharf
# rain pond small brain leak but I feel like there would be 2 archetypes of Eden skid - pr...

Eden might be also the home of priests who want to gain enlightenment or ascension because vault and Eden carry similar themes regarding ascension or enlightenment (although enlightenment is the way to to get out of constant re incarnation cycle and the cycle of constant suffering but the themes of Eden kinda contrast the concept of enlightenment as your skid constantly reincarnates? After they lose their light/candle/life force)

rain pond
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memories do not seem to reset or be stored out of reach after being reincarnated though - Grandma still knows how to make the best bread balls in all of Sky despite ascending multiple times a day

void wharf
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Hmmm that's weird
Idk how to explain pFacepalm

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Then i may wonder what happens to the sky kids after they lose their life force?

rain pond
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their physical body stops being animated by Light because it has run out, and then this blue spark floats out of them - the Soul that ascends

void wharf
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InterestingpThink

marsh rivet
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Random thought:
Do skykids have access to media and do they produce movies and shows? Or do they just do that in theatres? I want to see a sky equivalent of Good Omebs ehehe

bitter topaz
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Small question... If skykids were to exist in the real, how tall do you think they would be? SkyThink

coarse kernel
bitter topaz
sharp lichen
bitter topaz
sharp lichen
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What

spark cairn
slim plume
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To be fair it could also act as a wheelchair

eternal totem
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It IS a wheelchair

slim plume
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Modify it a bit and you get a hovering chariot.

So now I want an Ancient Roman-inspired season in Wasteland

keen shore
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ABYSS I WOULD KILL FOR THAT DO NOT GIVE ME HOPE

keen shore
keen shore
snow cosmos
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theory: light whisperer is the youngest of the flight crew. their hair is just grown out moff hair

keen shore
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That’s actually canon! It was given in the little hints they had when introduced let me see if I can find it

snow cosmos
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yo wait i love that

keen shore
snow cosmos
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i love being right

keen shore
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SO TRUE

snow cosmos
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i found a perfectly skid-sized cubby in Wind Paths and my new headcanon is that Light Whisperer used it as their hiding spot for hide-n-seek every single time until they outgrew it
my character Kestrel has now claimed it as his

slim plume
rigid mural
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Valley got a whole coliseum, I think a season adding spirit racers in manta chariots to the races would fit here so much

slate saffron
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I refuse to see the Romans make a return they're gone for a reason

slim plume
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It does, but it already has so many seasons and I also want the chariot races to be mainly "practise" for in-training soldiers in Wasteland or something

rigid mural
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Krill riding pEyes

slim plume
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Chariots introduced in the new fake season and final quest has you ward off krill in a chase sequence to protect the army encampment pEyes

keen shore
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Horrible timeline: all the spirits talk in Latin and I have to translate it for lore

slim plume
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Voice-acting but it's now canon that the Ancestor's language is Latin pFIRE

keen shore
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NO

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Had a horrible dream once that they made Julius Caesar canon to sky and I had to translate DBG for lorechat and I woke up with tears of terror streaming down my cheeks

snow cosmos
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i would happily join in the translation efforts

slim plume
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I cannot tell if this is a joke but judging by the lack of tone indicator at the end, I'm assuming that actually happened to you and I am so sorry you had to go through that

keen shore
snow cosmos
keen shore
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I also enjoy but simultaneously hate it

slim plume
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I'm useless unless you give me google translate. Will happily over-analyse poems and vague pieces of writing in English though. I will highlight sentences, make footnotes, and look like I have lost my mind

frigid tinsel
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If the ancestors spoke Latin it’d make sense since Latin is a dead language and all the ancestors are dead

snow cosmos
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fair fair, i was majoring in linguistics before i dropped out of college

keen shore
keen shore
snow cosmos
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grammar and sentence structure is my favorite part of Latin because it just isn't

keen shore
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SO TRUE that’s simultaneously the best and worst part because then you have to go searching for what adjectives go with which verbs and match case wise but there’s 5 declensions and you have to consider them all and

slim plume
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On second thought maybe I should try Classical Greek and idc if that's worse I am hyperfixated on the greek gods

keen shore
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Good luck Abyss

slim plume
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If Irish refuses to take root in my brain I gotta fill it with something else SkyLOL

snow cosmos
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i know english and french, used to be fluent in hebrew, and have smatterings of irish, welsh, swedish, and russian (oh and i guess some latin in there somewhere too but mostly theoretical)
i feel you

lethal stump
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when thinking about the ancestor language i am hooked on Hebrew ngl. its such a pretty language in its own way, i love it

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i love semitic languages. all the flavours of arabic, ancient egyptian, hebrew, coptic, theyre all so cool and complex. theyre my main language inspirations for the conlang im making for my fic

keen shore
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I absolutely do not have the brains for language learning all of my knowledge gets deleted every 2 months

snow cosmos
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i really like hebrew being the basis for ancestor language because of the whole elder names hebrew letters thing

slim plume
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Language learning I can take but only if done correctly, otherwise I am lost and no, you cannot bring me back

lethal stump
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language learning is funky. if you just do it enough it becomes second nature. i speak french at school but english at home yet ive been speaking french so long that even if i go months without speaking it i can hop right back in when school starts. its like riding a bike

mossy junco
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Does anyone know who the next travelling spirit is?

snow cosmos
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i haven't spoken french on a regular basis in years, but when someone speaks to me in french i just automatically speak french back

lethal stump
snow cosmos
lethal stump
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yeah ! i really enjoy that aspect of it
ngl ive considered converting a few times and i think its hilarious that researching video game lore has made me want to join a religion/group

snow cosmos
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the great thing about Judaism is that it's not just a religion, it's also a culture, and there's very much a feeling (at least in the community where i grew up) that "we are your people, you don't need to hold every single one of our beliefs to be one of us"

lethal stump
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yeye. although from my research about the conversion process its a little bit much for me so i just lurk yanno, following jewish blogs and artists, reading about cool stuff when i can, that sort of thing

snow cosmos
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i mean, i hadn't been to synagogue in years at the time of my back surgery, but my parents' rabbi still came and visited me in the hospital

untold notch
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i learned spanish in school and im just like. my brain cant hold all the words in the basket

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this might have something to do with the amount of English words i know but who can say

snow cosmos
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my brain is super wired for pattern-recognition and language learning so it's something i've always loved and taken to very naturally

lethal stump
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same. i have early hominid brain and im just. patterns everywhere. i will learn all the languages and see all the patterns

snow cosmos
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what is language but a complex set of overlayed and interlocking patterns?

lethal stump
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exactly !!!!
its just. super hard to create those patterns manually. conlanging is harder than it seems

snow cosmos
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god yeah, i was into it for a while in high school and college but never got very far

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my brain just. "this pattern of sounds/phones is represented by this pattern of characters and holds this meaning" = words

slim plume
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I want to conlang but the only language I know fluently is English and I'm currently learning German (which is really English-but-harder) so--

snow cosmos
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i got to do some really fascinating and informative work in college with documenting a dying Native American language that has no written system and that gave me a lot of Interesting Conlang Thoughts

lethal stump
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you dont need to be multilingual to conlang. you just need to know how grammar works and what kind of grammar and sounds would be fitting for the thing youre making

snow cosmos
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god help you if you're inventing your own alphabet, though

lethal stump
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nah writing systems are easyyyyy
unless theyre semitic because i have always struggled with making those
syllabaries ? logographies ? abjads ? alphabets ? piece of cake
but i am far too vowel reliant to make semitic writing systems work. thats the main challenge of the current sky conlang

snow cosmos
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god that's so valid. i guess growing up learning hebrew made vowels very optional for me? but i have a hard time inventing sets of characters because the options are so infinite

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there's a limited number of phones the human body can produce, and they naturally group together in a variety of ways, but there's literally no cap on how many ways they could be visually represented

lethal stump
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yeah. i know modern hebrew has vowels but that ruins the Aesthetic™️

snow cosmos
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technically speaking modern hebrew is a conlang

lethal stump
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i remember one time i was talking to someone in this channel about hebrew and they claimed it was a dead language that no one spoke SkyLOL ive literally watched a movie that was entirely in hebrew before

snow cosmos
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i- pFacepalm
one could make that argument for biblical hebrew, but even that's kinda baseless considering the entire jewish scriptures are written in it and are still read and understood every day

lethal stump
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yeah. like, hundreds of thousands of ppl dedicate their lives to reading, speaking, and understanding biblical hebrew. thats not a dead language, sweaty /lh

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anyways since you speak hebrew (or spoke...either way you know more than me) what are some interesting linguistical things you think would be cool for a sky conlang for ancestors to speak ?

snow cosmos
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there is no hebrew verb for "to be"! i think that's a really fun fact

lethal stump
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ooo. so how do you say something "is" something ?

snow cosmos
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you just say "it blue" or "I tall"

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it just completely cuts out the middleman and i think that's nifty
also, the way infinitives work is fascinating to me

lethal stump
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how do they work ?

eternal totem
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"Ze" ?

snow cosmos
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"ze" is "this", no? /bad memory

also, infinitives! essentially, each verb has 3 core letters, called the shoresh or root. the various conjugations are delineated by vowel placement, prefixes, and suffixes

eternal totem
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Ah right I think it is

lethal stump
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oh yes arabic has that too ! i found out about that while reading about semitic vowels

snow cosmos
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that's so coooooool, i love words

lethal stump
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apparently in old semetic languages that wasnt that case, but due to some funky evolution of words, that became the case for most semitic languages...i found a video on it i think, lemme grab it rq

snow cosmos
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i think i remember it making verbs and conjugations a lot easier to learn and identify
if it has these 3 letters, it's this verb, every time

lethal stump
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yeah that sounds so efficient. im planning to make it part of the conlang im making

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ok turns out i hallucinated the existence of a video and i just read a wikipedia article about it

sharp lichen
snow cosmos
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love that lmao

lethal stump
# sharp lichen Aren’t all languages conlangs?

a conlang is a language that, generally speaking, is purposefully created. the current theory of ancient language is that it came to existence basically by accident. some bloke pointed at a big wood thing with leaves, called it a tree, and now we have subjunctive pluperfect conditional mood

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modern day animals also have methods of communicating that could be called language. iirc prairie dogs (although it might be some other burrowing mammal i forget the name of) have basically an adjective/verb system through which they can identify threats. the sound for a human in a blue coat is different than one for a human in a red coat, or a big adult wolf vs a small baby wolf. crows have been known to use both human and crow specific speech to communicate with each other and us. not to mention our closest relatives, the great apes, have vocalizations that could be considered communicative and semi-linguistic. what likely happened was, with the development of more delicate and detailed windpipes, humans became capable of making more complex sounds. our grunts and growls turned into words due to the nature of our articulation capabilities. so no, not all languages are engineered, but many languages have engineered aspects. a well known one is hangul for korean, a writing system basically made in the course of a couple months to replace the chinese script that didnt work for korean and had been only used due to proximity

snow cosmos
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i believe the biggest separator from animal communication to what we consider fully formed language is the ability to lie

lethal stump
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have u met a cat tho /lh

snow cosmos
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iirc from my linguistic anthropology class, there are a bunch of qualifications and a mode of communication needs to meet all of them to be considered a language. so if animal A can lie but not refer to the past, it still doesn't count

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a big one is also that language needs to be able to talk about itself

lethal stump
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yea, but my point still stands that communication is found throughout the animal kingdom and that early form of language is likely where words and true language came from for us

snow cosmos
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oh 100%! communication exists in many many forms besides what we consider language

lethal stump
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also before anyone brings it up: no, koko couldnt communicate in sign language. chimps, gorillas, and other great apes have proven unable to do more than ask for food or attention using human sign language.

slim plume
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Also for the development of words, gossip! Since you can easily point somewhere and say "Red berry not eat" and you'd get it, however you need more words to articulate "Did you hear that Sally had lied about a crocodile being in the river? She was actually doing it to get back at John, who collects water from there every day"

lethal stump
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oh yeah ! theres actually languages that have markers specifically for gossip or unreliable information which i think is absolutely amazing

slim plume
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Did a message get bonked? SkyLook

Oof SkyPray

lethal stump
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i think one of them is navajo, the language well known to have All The Traits. i watched a video about navajo conjugation and its horrible /positive

lethal stump
marble lynx
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Be careful

lethal stump
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hey @snow cosmos do you wanna dm to nerd out more about semitic languages ?

keen shore
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Headcanon that skykids communicate like ravens where, they have a system of sounds that each mean basic words to them like “Hi!” Or “I need help”! But nothing complex without the use of telepathy. They can also mimic the words of spirits ALSO like ravens and use this to communicate with them

untold notch
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the mental image of skykids running around and cawing is pleasing to me

tepid veldt
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raven honk when

slim plume
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We have birds in sky but what would a raven look like pThink

gleaming fog
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Do sky kids have mouths to actually shout with?

keen shore
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I know that in early abyss concepts there was a raven mask, although it and the personality of the spirit it was meant to belong to sadly got scrapped and replaced with angler. Which. If you are cool and believe in the whole “animals in masks existed at one point but are now extinct” theory like me then it implies the same things true for ravens

frigid tinsel
gleaming fog
keen shore
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No like… the antelope in the gratitude ult mask

frigid tinsel
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Masks that are made in the image of animals. Like Dusk Elder’s mask is thought to emulate a whale face.

pastel brookBOT
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Using emulators is against the Sky TOS, @frigid tinsel. Please don’t use or discuss emulators here.

keen shore
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Sorry for struggling with phrasing I’m completely wiped

frigid tinsel
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Skybot I will break your servers and throw your motherboard in a lake

gleaming fog
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Kind of weird that spirits would emulate animals that don’t exist in the world using masks

pastel brookBOT
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Using emulators is against the Sky TOS, @gleaming fog. Please don’t use or discuss emulators here.

slim plume
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Prophecy is also a good example of masks made in the image of animals. We got a sea turtle(?), spider, bat, tiger/lion, and a jackal

frigid tinsel
keen shore
gleaming fog
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Could also be an environmental thing, the wasteland looks like it was a forest at some point, maybe they drove the animals out before the big boom

keen shore
# slim plume Prophecy is also a good example of masks made in the image of animals. We got a ...

YESSSSS I would be so mad if the last two animals specifically have never existed.

there was a handful of people (idk how much of them are still active or even who they were as it’s just something I vaguely remember) that would be like Oh, the spirits just made up those animals for the masks or they’re not actually canon, don’t worry about it, and that reasoning has confused/annoyed me more than it should have

lethal stump
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i like to think that those animals didnt survive the storm because they werent strongly dark or light, making them vulnerable to the surging energies and killing them off. imagine an archeology season where we dig up the bones of extinct animals to piece together sky's ecology pre-eruption pWow

lethal stump
tepid veldt
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lorechat seems sneepy, may i dump some lore abt one of my ocs?

pastel brookBOT
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I've heard a story about some Sky kids falling asleep in Golden Wasteland, rumour has it no one has seen them anymore... pkrilleye

snow cosmos
tepid veldt
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even worse this time! over the limit by 1800 characters pFIRE

also, i havent finished writing yet (yes, its even longer)

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(PART 1)
Kita is grandma’s apprentice—earnest, caring, adventurous, and carefree. But don’t mistake it for naivety—she has learned a lot to get this far.
Kita had been warned of the dangers of Hidden Forest. She had heard of the “rain” and “dark water” and “trapped mantas.” As a result, she had never ventured beyond the temple of Daylight Prairie. Why would she? She was perfectly content with what she already had. She loved the way the giant mantas scooped her up and threw her into the air, the way the butterflies tickled her and made her feel alive, the way everything was illuminated, with no secrets to hide.
And then she met Elliott. Elliott was the embodiment of a helpful friend. Yet he did not understand why Kita wouldn’t venture beyond.
“There’s so much more waiting for you, Kita,” he said to her one day as they basked in the Butterfly Fields, “if only you cared to look.”
“Why would I?” Kita inquired. “I have everything I need here.”
He promised Kita the time of her life if she went beyond the Elder’s Temple. Kita didn’t know any better. Elliott was so kind, so caring. He wasn’t afraid. And while Kita thought the scars on his arms and legs and chin were odd, she didn’t really see anything wrong with him. And so she went beyond.

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(PART 2)
A deep call sent Kita and Elliott fluttering upwards. What Kita saw next was unlike anything she had seen before. Tall, cylindrical shapes—Elliott called them “trees”—towered above the both of them. A friendly campfire was at the center of the area. Beyond there were clouds and the thundering storm at the top of the sky.
“Come, let’s take a leap!” Elliott gestured. He took Kita’s hand and together they jumped into the clouds below. The feeling was familiar to Kita. She had done the same thing when the prairie was her home.
Kita doesn’t remember what happened next. All she remembers is a draining feeling. Rain. She remembers her cape disappearing before her very eyes. She remembers Elliott turning his back on her to leave her to die. A brutal sentence, betrayal. There was no remorse in his eyes.
Kita felt herself losing her light. She didn’t want to die. Not now. Not like this. Not alone, in the rain, with a voice too quiet and too exhausted to scream. Her eyelids were becoming heavy. She couldn’t keep them open any longer…

Kita woke up in a dark room. She looked around but saw nothing except black, devoid of form. And herself…nothing was the same. Everything was gone, replaced with a standard tunic. Her chest was no longer pulsing with light. It was dark. Dormant. Destroyed.
That was what Kita felt. Dark. Dormant. Destroyed.
She looked around once more. …There! A glowing entity was a short distance away. She ran as fast as her little exhausted legs could carry her until she reached it.
It was glowing with a fierce but familiar light. The light of a winged light, to be exact. A rush of exhilaration passed through her. Kita placed her hands into its hands. The light flowed into her once more…
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(PART 3)
Hello? Anybody in there?”
Kita snapped awake. There were two faces staring down at her. At the sight of Kita conscious, the left one clapped happily and walked away. The one on the right offered Kita a hand and helped her up.
“You’ve been out for a while. You’re lucky I even found you…Kita.”
Kita looked up with a start. She saw the same cape, the same hat, the same exact scars.
Elliott.
Elliott gave her a sly smile. “Now now, Kita. It is not the time for past differences. If it weren’t for me, you wouldn’t be here right now.”
Kita grumbled. But Elliott was right. She could only imagine where she would be if Elliott decided to leave her for good.
She looked away. Kita’s eyes landed on a ghostly figure. The one who clapped when she had woken up.

heheh, thats all i have for now pFIRE

snow cosmos
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Grim: steals Kita

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Elliott out here gaslighting and manipulating and Grim just wants to protecc

tepid veldt
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fr

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elliott screws over a lot of my characters lmao

snow cosmos
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a Filthy Rat Man

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(i don't remember if i specified but Grim is my krill kid healer and would absolutely be Kita's guardian if she ever made it to the Wasteland)

tepid veldt
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lets seee….
-he screws over his own brother
-he screws over kita
-he doesnt appear to screw over vyn, but…you never know. vyn’s sus of him anyway

snow cosmos
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squints at him

tepid veldt
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he’s just a little honk for no reason. i still havent written that part SkyLOL

rapid arrow
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snort

Though for some reason I also had the idea of krillkids being guardians/guides in the wasteland

snow cosmos
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i feel like it's because their krill-ness lets them withstand a lot of the dangers of wasteland, but their kid-ness still gives them that urge to help others

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for Grim it's a mutually beneficial thing, where they absorb corruption off others and it fuels them

keen shore
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I Adore skykids that are literally just creatures, shattering brought an influx of them in my friends ocs and they’re always so good

snow cosmos
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jellies and mantas and krillkids, oh my!

keen shore
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If a skykid is creature it automatically gives them a boost in my opinion

tepid veldt
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ive had a few __kids in the making (ishiko was actually a jelly kid in the making but it got scrapped) but none have stuck. maybe its cause i have a hard time drawing them pFIRE

rapid arrow
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I have a krill kid oc. His name is Aoliea, he’s a golden retriever type character. Although he has some rough patches when the krill brain starts to go brrr

snow cosmos
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i have a pre-calamity (i think?) skid i'm working on, i'm referring to them as a Manta Royal Guard

keen shore
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I made my skysona bluebird basically a cat but I think that’s because I’m the same way so I’m not sure if they count

eternal totem
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I have 9'2" tall deer Skykid, also in Wasteland. All my kids in Wasteland

tepid veldt
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all my kids are in forest or on a plane of existence

eternal totem
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Presenting our kids like cats

snow cosmos
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i want to end up with at least one skid per realm- so far i've got Vault (Lumi and Wisp), Valley (Harken), Wasteland (Grim), and then Kestrel's in the Wind Paths so idk where that counts

eternal totem
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Wind Paths leans onto Prairie territory

snow cosmos
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you'd think, but you access them from the Forest, and they're sort of between all the realms in my mind

tepid veldt
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quinn, ishiko, kita, and rio are in forest, raza and briar in wasteland, and amethyst, luca, and vyn are wherever pFIRE

eternal totem
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Yes, but I personally think it's above Prairie territory, obscured in cloud

snow cosmos
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fair!

eternal totem
keen shore
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OWRUWODIWOAOKDJF CRYING

frigid tinsel
keen shore
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I’m behind about 95% of it ^

tepid veldt
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also im pretty sure my sona would reside in isle SkyCrabwalk then again theyre a messenger boy so

snow cosmos
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i need to make a proper sona- which circles back to i need a raven mask pls

frigid tinsel
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my skysona turned into two separate characters and that's the second time that's happened

keen shore
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I WANT A RAVEN MASK SO BADLY

rigid mural
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i dont have a skysona because im evil

tepid veldt
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quinn was my old skysona but he sorta evolved into his own character more and more not like me SkyLOL

untold notch
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i dont have a skysona because a

snow cosmos
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my manta guard character has one of the bird masks but they're just not the saaaame

frigid tinsel
keen shore
frigid tinsel
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they had Pepo but Pepo split into four psuedo-characters

keen shore
# frigid tinsel

This combined with wao&iat being your first skyfic gives me some questions about t you as w ehoel

frigid tinsel
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there's a reason I fixated on Sunset and idk what that is

snow cosmos
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multiplicity vibes /positive

foggy lotus
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hello lorechat whats the topic for today

frigid tinsel
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am I plural

tepid veldt
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our skykid ocs
i think

gleaming fog
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Each time you resurrect, are you truly the same person?

raw crypt
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A lot of my first ocs start as a weird sona/oc mix, like for a while ilosu was a vague skysona before breaking off to become their own oc with a bonkers backstory LOL

foggy lotus
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if we're talking abt ocs
can i send smthn in

gleaming fog
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What is ocs?

tepid veldt
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stands for original character

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also..im making an animatic rn that encompasses a lot of my ocs’ lore. hopefully ill finish pFIRE

gleaming fog
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I don’t get it, like writing a book Kind of thing?

snow cosmos
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good luck!

snow cosmos
foggy lotus
frigid tinsel
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yea basically what book Salem said. just characters in our heads for fun or for writing fics

gleaming fog
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Gotcha, fanfic stuff,

Also, I love the steampunk aesthetic

tepid veldt
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brainrot ?

frigid tinsel
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I love how this image is refusing to load for me

gleaming fog
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Skykids with top hat when

snow cosmos
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i've decided that my skysona would have a raven mask and one of the black capes, and would just fly up to whatever the highest point they can reach is and just zone out there bc that's what i do when i'm not actively doing something else

keen shore
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I also do this

snow cosmos
tepid veldt
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you share everything, from name to sona

keen shore
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🤝

snow cosmos
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we are Samekh

frigid tinsel
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of course when Sunset discovered Discord they made two accounts

snow cosmos
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update, i have picrewed myself a skysona

tepid veldt
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gib

snow cosmos
sharp lichen
hushed steeple
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Hey Lorechat! Abt a random theory I made, I noticed that maybe, the Light and Dark exist as two balanced forces. The light is Orbit and beyond and Darkness is in the depths, seeing as Momma Krill is seen in the deep blue sea. So basically the Kingdom is between these two forces. Which is why Crystal Crabs dig down after the Ascended shard is defeated

keen shore
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Yeah, that’s a pretty common concept I see here! I’m still debating how I think both forces work personally

hushed steeple
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Well the thing is abt this theory, why are there Krill around? Wht abt flying shards, darkness in this logic should not fly

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Why does darkness fly?

frigid tinsel
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Krill are corrupted light creatures. Flying may be something they maintained from when they were beings of light

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keen shore
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Keep in mind that almost all the darkness creatures we see are corrupted! [Krill confirmed, crabs aren’t strictly but considering they are also covered in darkness flakes it’s pretty obvious] so the flight may not be a thing dark beings have naturally but is just a holdover from their previous state.

The only exception to this is the leviathan which does seem strictly water based and does not have the darkness flakes; it’s the most likely to be a naturally dark creature

hushed steeple
keen shore
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Confused, Why does there have to be a hell here?

remote skiff
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i thought the abyss murals made it clear it's a genetically modified manta...

keen shore
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Not really! The process shown in that mural is darkstone being extracted from the mantas, what happens to them after is unknown. They could have disappeared like the manta who got krilled for all we know.

However, there is an eel like creature beneath the structure in that mural, which… I mean, pretty obvious that’s the leviathan — although whether it was originally an uncorrupted light creature or not is kinda up in the air

frigid tinsel
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Treasure Reef facility just has strong “science experiment gone wrong” vibes. From one of the murals, it looks like the ancestors were testing how to make diamonds from mantas. Presumably something went wrong™️ and now there are krill down there

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frigid tinsel
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Personally I doubt the ancestors would deliberately corrupt light creatures. The power diamond manufacturing process produces darkness, so perhaps the light creatures used had a chance of corrupting unintentionally

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what if they were unaware of the risk involved of depleting creatures of their light? the whole abyss area looks like an abandoned lab

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keen shore
# frigid tinsel Personally I doubt the ancestors would deliberately corrupt light creatures. The...

YEAH it’s definitely a very high risk for no real reward deal for purposefully corrupting light creatures.

The ONLY justification I can see for it is like, corruption also being a thing for ancestors, so they had to corrupt light creatures to essentially use them like we use lab rats to figure out how to treat it. Hence why you see ppl with scholar headdresses there. but since It’s a kinda out there reason and we have no evidence to believe that ancestors getting corrupted is a thing that can happen it’s definitely the less likely option

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Or maybe a “purposeful corruption so we can figure out how to reverse whatever krill have going on” type deal, I could definitely see that as well

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how often do we see krill depicted in murals? i can't remember any off the top of my head really other than the possible ones in reef

(my thought process here is that there are all sorts of murals of mantas and jellies and butterflies and birds, but if there aren't many krill murals, they could have been significantly less prevalent in the ancestors' time; i'm wondering whether they existed before the corruption brought by the attempts at using light for power or if they could be strictly a result of it)

frigid tinsel
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Cave of Prophecy and Forgotten Ark

rare night
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Dont forget Abyss!

keen shore
snow cosmos
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okay wait now i'm wondering; if krills were accidentally created by the corruption etc, how do krillkids happen? obviously they're more fanon, but like... how does a krillkid Become?

keen shore
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@white junco has an krill kid oc named Acheron, basically they got sharded with krill memories (like in the most recent quest) and it kinda went from there! They’re one of my favorite ocs, I love their creature ness

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Speaking abt krill. How does tlp goes to eden and doesnt get krillled.
Was he that, skillfull or just pure chaotic-idiotic or was it ✨magic✨

keen shore
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Well uh. He did die I feel like that’s worth mentioning.

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he had recharge pots /j

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keen shore
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I LOVE ACHERON SM HOW COULD I NOT MENTION THEM

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i should make an oc that is a Creature

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ACHERON THE BELOVED I LOVE THE SHORT KING

untold notch
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picrew my one true friend i have need of your services

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like, for my krid Grim, i feel like they were... born krill? assigned krill at birth? i just don't know how that actually... happens

keen shore
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Assigned emo at birth

snow cosmos
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in my fantasy au they're a wraith who (dark) ||died in childbirth and was necromantically bound back into their body|| but i'm not sure how to translate that back into sky

keen shore
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Star landed in a dark place (maybe dark water? The ocean?) and almost killed them maybe, and then do similar things from there

snow cosmos
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[insert gif of gru from despicable me going 'lightbulb']
maybe they landed on a shard and their shell was pierced through by one of the spikes and corrupted from there- if that's not stepping on Spade's toes by being too close to Acheron?

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i dont know what happened with this but presenting: them?

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Aww cute

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untold notch
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i have absolutely 0 ideas for how they are as a character but they exist now

snow cosmos
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they look head empty and i love it

untold notch
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yeah my only idea for them is that theyre constantly in just a complete haze no idea what theyre doing or anything

snow cosmos
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god me too

untold notch
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it really be like that sometimes

snow cosmos
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the brain frog strikes again

keen shore
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BRAIN FROG MY HATED, relatable
Wait

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I want to give them cookies and watch them try to figure out how to eat it because feral Krid do not know how to food other than attacking Light Creatures and Skids like Krills do.

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They accidentally wander through the Wind Tunnel and into Granny’s tree during mealtime and subsequently get the doting Grandmother treatment.

frigid tinsel
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I’m just gonna drop this

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its like. they would be violent if they had any presence of mind whatsoever but theyre docile now

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Giving Acheron firework staff and pet beIrd they are so close

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i like this image of acheron they look very silly

untold notch
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none of my ocs get bingo individually

frigid tinsel
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So close to bingo

keen shore
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They look like someone’s holding them up by the scruff of their neck i love it

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unfortunately none of my skids have bingo 😔

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saw an opportunity to post skykid and took it

frigid tinsel
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thank you

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Amethyst needs to try walking on all fours and befriend a spirit

tepid veldt
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we’ll see

i think he thinks he’s too sophisticated for walking on all fours lmao

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What do you think sky bingo is like?
I think it’s like all the symbols that are probably words
All the things lorechat are trying to decode
I think cannoneer would play bingo just because they want to beat grandma

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Dark dragons would play bingo

round parrot
# frigid tinsel I’m just gonna drop this

Not here for a lore question, but I am interested in Lore Chat's Skysona and their headcanons pPopcorn
(also no, I do not own umbrella, yet)
Photo credit by: kion_anzu (in Fitchat)

||NO WAIT THEY ACTUALLY HAVE NO NAME YET HSHSHS||

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im afraid i dont have a sona

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Understandable, took a while for me to make my own without changing outfits every single day SkyLOL

tepid veldt
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now they just need to either a) become the king or b) befriend an elder

round parrot
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Their adoptive mother is literally an elder bird

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so i suppose
bingo?

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Idk, sure

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keen shore
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THE EDEN TRUAMA PART BEING DOUBLE CIRCLED KILLED ME I mean, I can’t argue with that

tough coral
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they have eden trauma from before eden exploded too <3 being given that much responsibility at such a young age took a toll on them

keen shore
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The entire box should be filled in at this rate

tough coral
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OH MY GOD i forgot so many points on this one actually

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my king interpretation is just sorta

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What does the lore chat think about the Eden mural at the beginning of lvl 2?

Are the stars radiating out? Being pulled in?

tough coral
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wait what eden mural i havent ran since shattering started

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This one

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Yup

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My interpretation of this is that this is the rise of the king, they had invented diamonds and the start of the golden age (if that is what they call it)

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The animation starts at the crystal, shows the king, and reveals itself radially outwards, but all of the stars appear to be moving right. Was the crystal a siphon? was it one stop of many for the travelling stars?

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to me, it looks like Chosen One using the Eden diamond in some way that the ancestors revered. the wavy lines are reminiscent of how Megabird is portrayed in the Forgotten Ark mural, so the diamond is producing light the ancestors consider godly

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Oh, that's funky. I always assumed the eden diamond was created by the explosion...

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sorta. there's no Eden diamond, but there is the Eden mountain with the light beam

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I used to think that the Eden Diamond was a canon to shoot light creatures to ascend faster

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tough coral
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QUICK QUESTION whats the common fandom name for the forest elder? it was teth right

frigid tinsel
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granted, we don't have much of a clue what the Eden diamond's original purpose was. though this mural tells me that the Eden diamond was wanted and the ancestors revered it. so something went wrong

round parrot
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||Beta leaking has never been this tempting||

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I heard there’s actual lore later on in this season at the very end. No spoilers but I’m super excited about it

Edit: DONT DO IT 😆

frigid tinsel
# tough coral QUICK QUESTION whats the common fandom name for the forest elder? it was teth ri...

The Elders (plus the king & prince) have names based off Hebrew letters from concept development that are no longer canon, though the fandom sometimes refers to them as such:

Isle – Daleth (ד) 

Prairie – Ayin (ע) 

Forest – Teth (ט) 

Valley – Samekh (ס) (they share a name, though the fandom refers to SkyElderValley1 as Sah and SkyElderValley2 as Mekh) 

Wasteland – Tsadi (צ)

Vault – Lamed (ל) 

Prince – Alef (א) 

King – Resh (ר)

Though it seems the devs refer to the Elders by the times of day their realms represent:

Isle – Dawn 

Prairie – Day

Forest – Rain 

Valley – Sunset 

Wasteland – Dusk

Vault – Night

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BROTHER DUSK! THOU SHALT PROTECT THE NIGHT FROM THE INVADERS OF SUNSET! IN THE NAME OF THY KING!

Love the time based names

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I think using the times of their days is easier since my brain refuses to memorize those names

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i was asking because:
(they do not like teth. teth is Mean To They [scolded them for not being a Very Responsible Person 24/7])

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was thinking you were one of those blokes who were whining that Shattering "has no lore" cos the frozen memories don't involve the Elders or god forbid the king, glad it's not that.

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not everything about Sky lore is about the king

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I mean, we talk about Sun lore for god's sake

gleaming fog
# frigid tinsel was thinking you were one of those blokes who were whining that Shattering "has ...

I love lore, almost more than the game haha,

I WILL FIND IT EVERYWHERE!

The big one for me is knowing that we don’t actually fly with capes, but with blue crystals embedded within.

The abyss season was weird since the kids had to breathe but somehow lost their flame without dying. This season (through the crawling mechanic) explains that our flap “energy” is actually just how much energy is left in our crystal

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...skykids do use their capes and winged light to fly, not crystals

round parrot
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Speaking of blue crystals, why do you guys think blue crystals grow out of us? SkyThink

Myst back again with the lore questions

untold notch
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do we?

snow cosmos
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i'm late to the bingo party but here's mine (feat Harken, Kestrel, Lumi, Wisp, and Grim)

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frigid tinsel
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it's some reaction to darkness absorbing skykids' light, though I'm not sure why. some think the crystals are darkstone, which makes the knowledge that light creatures were used to manufacture power diamonds pEyes

tough coral
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Ok, so I gathered my braincells for a bit, then I remembered the body of a Skykid is either made out of darkness (from the Devs abt Light Awaits), or clay (from Lorechat), my point is that maybe the darkness is taking over while the light is out for a while, maybe even taking it away

gleaming fog
# frigid tinsel ...skykids do use their capes and winged light to fly, not crystals

Hear me out, capes are like batteries (and maybe rudders for flight)

The meditation emote, telekinesis emotes, as well as various follow animations don’t use a cape, and yet we can still fly.

Skykids also have limited energy and need to recharge, exactly like crystals.

Winged light might be the crystal fragments that we see pop out whenever we become too “unstable and weak” to properly hold the WL

tough coral
# tough coral (SNURFLES AT THAT QUESTION LIKENA TRUFFLE HOG) personally i think the crystals (...

to clarify: i think the crystals and stone r sorta like... temporary scarring? its their bodies way of sealing in light should they get injured or if their light is being drained to a dangerous degree- however it goes horribly wrong sometimes in areas with heavy ambient darkness, and HORRIBLY TERRIBLY wrong in eden
Normally the stone would just break away once they're not in any danger but. Eden. Yknow.

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pastel brookBOT
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Using emulators is against the Sky TOS, @gleaming fog. Please don’t use or discuss emulators here.

snow cosmos
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and on that note, it is Past My Bedtime (almost 12:30) and my brain is fuzzy, so imma call it a night. have fun, lorechat! <3

round parrot
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Have a good sneep snorp!

tough coral
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okay okay okay this is gonna be a serious hot take I think but i, personally, do not consider winged light to be canon. in my eyes it is a game mechanic and can easily be explained better with "skykids can store more and more light as they get older"

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except we do know how Megabird is depicted in murals as per the Forgotten Ark.
one could argue that the Eden mural depicts the Eden diamond making an artificial god since they use the same starry paintstrokes

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frigid tinsel
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or those are lightseekers, collecting light. lightseekers have umbrellas

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gleaming fog
frigid tinsel
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arguably, there could be no difference.

round parrot
gleaming fog
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The more the lore chat speaks, the more this feels like elden ring but you hug and energize the bosses instead of killing them

tough coral
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I think they depict megabird- however my opinions on megabird should be taken with a grain of salt because i am soooo full of Bird Headcanons <3 (its trauma) (i made megabird have trauma)

frigid tinsel
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in my interpretation of Megabird, Megabird has all the trauma of traumatized beings of light within Them

round parrot
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Oh! So like a hive mind?

gleaming fog
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Megabird could be a space station, maybe the light it’s sending down represents care packages to help the elder.

Could also be a massive surveillance device that gets data via spirit memories.

uncut pond
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Which supports my theory that light birds are government CCTVs /j

frigid tinsel
# round parrot Oh! So like a hive mind?

yea but not in a conformist individuality-ceases-to-exist hivemind, but more that Megabird is the consciousness of the Light, the manifestation of all the collective beings of light within the Light.

the Light is the collection of all ascended beings of light, Megabird is the consciousness produced by the Light

tough coral
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My interpretation of megabird is that she has a connection to all light creatures, but is not actually composed of them- she's her own entity but she has an inherent connection to light creatures. she could probably read your mind and can definitely visit peoples dreams i think. but she's kinda left to piece together this information herself instead of just Immediately Seeing Everything From Everyones Perspectives

fair knot
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The Mega birb .... I like to call it Supercluster Mega-Birb pWow
Image by Alasdair

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THAT ONE, THAT IS WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT

frigid tinsel
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omg it's my image

uncut pond
fair knot
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Oh O.O I got it on google

round parrot
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Ngl it looks like a phoenix

tough coral
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AH SORRY megabird fell victim to my habit of she/they/it-ing characters i like and i kinda forgot thats not canon

fair knot
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OMGGGGGGGGGGG ALASDAIR ITS YOUR IMAGE O.O

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I FOUND ANOTHER MEGABIRD IMAGE (in entrance of office, found in google)

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gleaming fog
# uncut pond Haven't played Elden Ring but like Isn't the fire/flame always bad in most soul...

So this one is completely different from the souls games,

Basically there’s this rune called the elden ring that controls causality (death, strength, etc) you can rewrite the world with it. Before the game starts, this outer god (one of many gods in space) called the elden beast takes control of the world, creates a religion called the golden order, and turns death into a cycle of death and rebirth (your ashes are absorbed by the beast and then comeback to life).

The game starts when the queen betrays the outer god and shatters the elden ring. Like sky, you go to the gods major structure and fight the queen. Like sky, after you see the human leader, you meet the god they worked for

frigid tinsel
round parrot
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INTERESTING!!!! THE FIGURE IN THE BOAT REMINDS ME OF THE PRINCE OR THE KING

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fair knot
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That Eden mural you guys shared here, looks like those light/door at Orbit

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tough coral
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megabird doodles from a while back bc i think they deserve to be an active parental figure in the lives of their many many skykid children (they can only rlly visit said children in dreams but they try their best)

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round parrot
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Spoiler for Hollow Knight ||Basically Megabird to you is like the Pale King but didn't toss their children to the abyss, unless you count sending them down to the Sky kingdom is the equivalent of the abyss SkyLOL||

I FORGOT TO REPLY 😭

uncut pond
# frigid tinsel it's reminiscent of the halo around Chosen One in both the Cave of Prophecy mura...

Tbf that pic shows One guiding a cluster of light creatures while Shattering poems suggest that "fake" lights were used to lure creatures
Not only that, but the ancient memories show us a winged light riding mantas towards a direction different from the one we see most creatures going towards, and in the next memory we see that winged light under the Eden Diamond, surrounded by Krills

Coincidence? I THINK NOT

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frigid tinsel
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I have 600+ images of Sky concept art, compilations, and reference pictures of in-game content. my iCloud storage is mad at me

fair knot
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the raven mask >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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frigid tinsel
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TGC has been releasing short poems on social media alongside new quests being released. Slink has compiled them in a single message here: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

gleaming fog
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TIL sky actually does social things,

For the krill memory, they say insatiable hunger, but is that referring to the krill or the sky kid?

round parrot
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The krill itself

rapid arrow
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What if we have to combine all the poems?

frigid tinsel
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I don't think so. each poem refers to a single memory. while together they piece together an image of what happened around the Eden calamity, they do not read to me like a long poem

fair knot
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There is any google doc with concept arts links ? pEyes (legally released by TGC/NetSomething)

gleaming fog
# round parrot The krill itself

Are you sure? Because our skykids are super absorbent towards energy, to the point where the winged light kids who absorb energy particles from the air have that disrupted when we come near, maybe that was the first skykid like the player?

Not trying to say you’re wrong, just saying it could be both :3

frigid tinsel
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krill are said to "hunger" for light as per the main menu tip

foggy scarab
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Hi, sorry to bother you guys, I know absolutely nothing about the lore in sky but I want to learn more about it and today I heard something about a prince and a king and I've been trying to figure out what that's about, someone told me to look here but after reading a bit I'm just even more confused and I was just wondering if someone could tell me a bit about the Prince and King? Or where can I read about it?

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frigid tinsel
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you'll notice that since the king is an enigmatic figure whose appearance in the Live game is questionable, there are a lot of different interpretations of them

white junco
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oh the poems do work really well together

round parrot
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white junco
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didn’t really say big role, more just that there’s some role, but they’re not in a place you’d think they’d be

gleaming fog
outer hare
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maybe the king is secretly a child gremlin that they put a crown on and just said here is the king, then sat him on a child feeding seat just to rule the kingdoms themselves and put in on a childs name- who knows pEyes pFIRE

white junco
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what if the krill are trying to be filled with light just like us, but because they’re corrupted, they can only hurt it?

gleaming fog
outer hare
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Just occasionally killing a manta by accident- " Mother it was for the light "

uncut pond
# foggy scarab Hi, sorry to bother you guys, I know absolutely nothing about the lore in sky bu...

Ok so basically:

There's multiple theories

Some say the king was the Eden Elder, who we see in the Eden constellation in the Vault cutscene

Some say skids are remnants of the king/prince, since the old friendship constellation was a crown, and the current constellation is the Eden Diamond

Others say the prince was the Chosen One in the murals of prophecy and that one new Eden mural

Some argue the prince is the white skid who's trapped inside the Eden Diamond who we hug in the cutscene

Many believe the remnants of the prince are the Winged Light we collect through the game

I personally believe it's all of the above at the same time, because as crazy as it's sounds, it is very plausible and all those theories work well together Actually

Were the prince and the king different people or are they the same person? Is anything of the above even true? It's all up to you

white junco
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the krill just want hugs

outer hare
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deadly hug hugeth if you dare

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uncut pond
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I personally don't believe winged light are actually a part of the skid, I think we're simply carrying them around and they grant us power in return, but they don't belong to us

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gleaming fog
# round parrot I dont see it as the Skykids sacrificing the wl, but the dark crystals forcefull...

No worries on replies :3

I always assumed that we were like the apex predators of energy, nothing more absorbent than us with the WL kids coming in as a close second, so if we run out of energy, maybe the energy used to hold the winged light is redirected towards staying alive, causing us to lose it. When the WL disappears, that could just be a random WL kid re-absorbing its energy organ…thing.

Idk though, the krill with its red crystal on its head could also be forcing it out as well

raw crypt
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THE MEGABIRD CONVO MADE ME WANNA DRAW MEGABIRD AND I THINK THE BIRD POSSESSED ME BC THIS IS LIKE. ONE OF THE BEST THINGS IVE DRAWN EVER

frigid tinsel
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Omg Slink this is gorgeous
The colors, oh my they’re wonderful pCry

uncut pond
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I want to. print this and put it in a frame because it's beautiful

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It really looks like a bird made of fire

raw crypt
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MADE SOME ADJUSTMENTS and cropped slightly so it can be sent to non boosted servers but THANK U, i love bird, even tho megabird jjst shows up twice in the game megabird is such a good design aesthetic wise LOL

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bitter canopy
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Oh wow that's beautiful

rapid arrow
dusty leaf
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Oh my god this is so beautiful pWow

bitter canopy
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I've been reading about what yall have been talking about (the whole megabird and king discussion) its all so interesting and I never even noticed that a king/prince have been depicted in the drawings of sky

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I always assumed the king figure was supposed to be a reference to the vault elder as it has lil square around it which I saw as the seats for the other elders lol-

torn eagle
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Anyone here remembers what the cutscenes are for the TLP spirit memories? 🤔

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chrome sentinel
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Why do skids close their eyes when they take off their masks?

bleak meteor
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idk if its been done yet but I have gotten some really good closeup pics of the krill statues in both the spirit area and the krill memory. mainly the face.

forest hornet
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Hey guys so I've been thinking about the ark and stuff and these paintings show how the spirits got those orbs of light but what are the orbs of light and what did they want to do with them?

We see what looks like stars fall from the sky and then they make those into the different orbs and each one does a different thing from the quests we do
So I was thinking what if the arc was set during the darkness and they wanted to use the power of the orbs to cleanse the land since each orb can do stuff like clean tainted water or grow grass but obviously the ship crashed and they got stranded so they never accomplished their mission, that's my thoughts anyway ^^

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what do u guys think?

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does anyone know what these marked symbols might be? any theories? or maybe it's just a mistake...

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# forest hornet what do u guys think?

I remember there were discussions about that here

In my perspective and opinion, these murals show the origin of the lights and their story as a crew

In images 1 and 2 I kind of forgot the actual explanation to them in a discussion here but I believe it depicts how they get light for their arts, images 3 and 4 depict them creating spells (using them in image 4) and the enchantment lights

Image 5 depict them traveling towards an area bringing the enchantment lights, in my opinion theyre traveling towards eden (they ultimately crashed in wasteland which is at the base of the eden mountain)

6 and 7 depict their demise, crash landing either because of the storm or a krill or perhaps even both (supporting detail for image 5)

Note: There was a discussion here before that the ark may have come from Isle of Dawn because the tents found in the ark are the same as the ones found in the switch trailer which showed us Isle before becoming a desert

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I think that, from Isle of Dawn, they brought their creations, the enchantment lights, to (as you said) use the power of the lights to cleanse/revitalize the area due to the corruption coming from eden

slate saffron
copper saffron
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that's cursed thank you

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outer hare
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Bobbit ^^

midnight root
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Okay... I have to ask:

What do you think it's the meaning of krill memory?

outer hare
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Ahhh, im probably one of the only people who think that the krill like eating darkness ( in comparison to light ) so ill say that the krills are trying to attack and consume ( ? ) the power diamond that seems to be forming ( most likely the eye in the future )

midnight root
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Hmm
My personal take is that krills' are made out of red shards.
Also, krills are the most common, prevalent and effective "evil" we see. Even the battlefield in Wasteland is tied to them. I think that they are actually a result of the large Eden rhombus. A manifestation of evil, if you want. Yep, the diamond in Eden is the very same one we see in the memory.
Think about it... The shards and the krills suddenly stormed the Sky kingdom causing destruction. I think what we see in that memory is actually how the Sky kingdom looked during the infamous cataclysm which wiped out the spirits' civilization.

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Now wait a second...
I just saw that the diamond has those huge thunder flashes that spread all over the memory.
Could it be some reference to the mega bird/the light/whatever its name is spreading their threads of light?

Were there two of them in the beginning and one turned into the Eden diamond while the other just stayed "good"?
It's obvious that this Eden rhombus thingy is some sort of "the root of all evil".

regal forge
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With all the pots butterflies go in do you think maybe they’re used like birdhouses?
Maybe butterflies prefer enclosed and dim spaces to live so pots are perfect for butterflies and people put them out to help

south oracle
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With the king/civil war theories, do you think the krill could be the result of that, like war machines?

torn eagle
torn eagle
safe sphinx
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do elders have names other than "forest elder" or "valley elder 1"

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i thought i saw something once about one of the valley elders being named daleth but idk could have been just someone's headcanon

midnight root
frigid tinsel
safe sphinx
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Tyty! SkyBow

white junco
south oracle
frigid tinsel
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Although Ktjn has said that their official names are [Realm] Elder for a reason and that the time of day names are purely internal

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white junco
south oracle
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I thought I saw something about valley elders being Samnek, is that fanon?

frigid tinsel
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Samekh was their name during concept development but that’s no longer canon. The fandom does still refer to them as such sometimes.

white junco
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i can’t remember, does Samekh come from pre-twins concepts or was that name attached to the twins as well?

tepid veldt
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i did it again SkyCrabwalk

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frigid tinsel
untold notch
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need to name my Creature oc

frigid tinsel
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Oh Zhao did have the twins but only referred to them as the Twins

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polar forge