lore-discussion-spoilers

[frigid tinsel]

No that’s a ramble. A drabble is a game made of small pieces with letters on them that can be placed to make words in a crossword arrangement.

[keen shore]

Oh god we’re looping back to the start

[slate saffron]

oh nö

[untold notch]

theres only so many words that work for the bit tbf

[pulsar dragon]

this isnt very lore related

[proper cosmos]

idk but that message was kinda funny though

[pulsar dragon]

btw, i deleted “well expletive”—don’t circumvent the rules

[uncut pond]

Average lorechat discussion

[keen shore]

If you don’t like our current topic, you can always suggest a new one to change to! Unfortunately, just noticing we’re off topic doesn’t often seem to help much, as it gives us nothing to switch to and just ends up killing the channel.

[untold notch]

im not entirely sure how we got here but it was lore related at one point

[north estuary]

No that’s scrabble. A Drabble is when water is dripping.

[slate saffron]

chicky your name is very teal & so I respect your input 👍

[keen shore]

No, that’s a dribble! Drabble is the metal cup you put on your thumb so that you don’t hurt yourself while sewing.

[uncut pond]

Wait I just noticed chicky is a mod anyways yeah let's change topics to something lore related uhhhh

Hey people do y'all think the the uhhhh
THE SKY
Why do y'all think the Sky is blue in Sky since light works completely different from our world (I had no better topic)

[white junco]

what flavor is the eden diamond

[eternal totem]

Sky fans when they go outside & see the sky

[north estuary]

Watermelon but specifically the airheads kind

[raw crypt]

did you know u can straight up eat fire in days of sunlight

[white junco]

i’ve never had airheads so that’s only a little bit helpful sorry

[north estuary]

Just artificial watermelon flavoring then.

[slate saffron]

You can do that in real life as well

[keen shore]

loading screen tip of the day

[white junco]

real true i did that once

[untold notch]

remember kids you can eat lava but only once

[frigid tinsel]

I love how the marshmallow grows then just bursts into flame

[uncut pond]

Overcooked 😔

[eternal totem]

Nom

[snow cosmos]

'over' is subjective - maybe to skids fire is light in its purest form (this is lore right-)

[north estuary]

Does that mean the more fire you eat the more pure you are

[eternal totem]

Yes I think they can eat flame just fine

[snow cosmos]

....i feel like we're about to circle back to eating the sun

[north estuary]

I mean. Eating fire.

[keen shore]

Our skykids are eating burning marshmallows in order to prepare for the task ahead of them

[untold notch]

what is the sun if not a really, really big marshmallow

[eternal totem]

I don't think they'd be able to, unless we're having a 2 quadrillion Skykids vs. the sun debate

[snow cosmos]

god i love you people

[raw crypt]

i was looking for concpet art to send and refound tlp from the storyboards look at him so tiny so guy

[eternal totem]

Although I want to mention too much light is not good, either

[north estuary]

I think we could do it. I think we could eat the sun. We’ve established that skykids can in fact, eat fire safely

[frigid tinsel]

thinking about corrupted skid OC whose chew instincts reactivate when they get darkness sickness

[snow cosmos]

gives them an oral stim toy to chew on

[raw crypt]

I like that one concept abt skykids being overcharged, ive implemented itninto my world building actually

[north estuary]

If you eat too much fire you glow. Like when you swallow a flashlight!

[eternal totem]

2 lightbillon may be able to, but one would just burst, as I said too much light is not good either

[frigid tinsel]

well they were uncorrupted at that point they do eat pieces of their own cape

[keen shore]

Holding them. Round Salem

[keen shore]

I hate being that person but. Skykids already glow,

[slate saffron]

What are "chew instincts" ? 👁️ 👄 👁️

[eternal totem]

WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON OVERCHARGED KIDs, I'm sure I had something about it somewhere

[white junco]

urge to BITE AND BITE AND BITE AND BITE AND BITE AND

[raw crypt]

i like looking into my tlp concept art folder bc yhis image is in it and ive never bothered to take it out

[keen shore]

Saving as a reaction image

[frigid tinsel]

context: Nanif is uncorrupted skykid.

Thinking how skykids with darkness sickness would act. Move to as many light sources as they can, pressing up against candle flames and fires, prob try pulling the plants growing on them off. Maybe a way to treat it is to give them orbs of light to absorb to strengthen the light inside them.

Nanif? Eating instincts kick in. Chews stuff. Gnaws on a candle, puts fire in their mouth, bites on their cape. When given a light orb to absorb, they take chomps out of it. Everyone watching is concerned™️.
so corrupted skykids had a hunger for light that they satisfied by physically eating light. while uncorrupted skykids in my ficverse no longer hunger, they can still eat and taste light. Nanif low on light isn't hungry but they start doing the same thing they did to satisfy that hunger since low light was a trigger for that hunger.

[snow cosmos]

alright, as much as i adore this topic and all of you, it's time for me to go to bed bc it's midnight and i'm old

[north estuary]

I didn’t specify enough. They glow like the sun. Like, burn your eyes bright. Also start producing more heat.

[keen shore]

EST GANG

[slate saffron]

12:00 AM RISE UP

[frigid tinsel]

lying down

[north estuary]

It’s 10pm here lol

[slate saffron]

You are simply lesser /j

[untold notch]

mst isnt real sorry

[snow cosmos]

gnight y'all <3 sneep well when it's time, or enjoy your day if it's morning for you!

[north estuary]

Dissolves like your winged light when krill

[white junco]

mountain time? central time? that’s all corn time to me

[frigid tinsel]

corn time

[north estuary]

corn time

[untold notch]

can confirm. corn time

[north estuary]

We don’t even grow corn here…

[slate saffron]

You will

[north estuary]

Lore topic: are crabs edible?

[frigid tinsel]

but why would you

[north estuary]

But are they

[untold notch]

pleading parent (is that their name) seems to think so

[north estuary]

Interesting, interesting. Is there a difference between the flavor of uncorrupted crabs that you can find in sanctuary and the evil crabs

[frigid tinsel]

I like to think darkness is cold. since dark crabs are covered in darkness flakes, then they'd prob taste a bit icy

[raw crypt]

IM ABT TO MOVIE NIGHT but overcharge is like. the lihht equivalent to getting hit by darkness, the body loses winged light like darkness bc its trying to find that balance once more, i remember like. while darkness grows crystals and hardens the shell/pertrification and crystallized light in eden, overchargged is like, the opposite, a skykids shell would break away from the sheer strength of the light

its very rare bc such strong instances of light r so hard to find due to ancestors seeking out light so much in the past

honestly this hc is old but thinking abt it now with some more present things, I remember having an idea that the eden corrupted crystals had so much light that it overcharged your skykids, while its likely that its corrupted light, the electric sound that rings out when hitting one of the shards in an event reminds me of that original idea, too much light so the body sheds so too much at once in return, making it viable to darkness

IM TRYING TO FIND THE REST OF THE ART BUT I HAD A WHOLE SEASON IDEA THAT DELVED INTO MINES AND THERE WAS LIGHT CRYSTALS AND ONE OG MY SKYKIDS TOUCHED ONE AND GOT OVERCHARGED AS A RESULT
past me where are the other images

[slate saffron]

Ooo could this happen when they're hit by lightning as well?

[north estuary]

CRAB POPSICLE

[simple flicker]

What actually are sky kids? Are they like sentient golems? Are they pure manifestations of light? Are they candle golems with wings made of fire/light???

[white junco]

they’re silly little guys

[untold notch]

theyre little creachers

[frigid tinsel]

beings of light

[raw crypt]

oh i remember why i edited the art out i atopped liking it LMAOSDJDJ but yeah it was rlly similar to getting struck by lightning just. oops goodbye shell too much light

[north estuary]

According to general, they’re either clay or meteor

[frigid tinsel]

on a serious note, skykids are thought to be golems. I have my working theory on the composition of a skykid:

–clothing, hair, masks & other cosmetics made of light.
–a humanoid physical shell made of some magic-induced earthen material (i.e. clay, stone, ash, charcoal, meteorite) that has a hole in the chest and eyes.
–the hollow shell is full of light, such as winged light and neutral light.
–their cape, a manifestation of winged light.
–their flame, manifesting as the light in the hole in their chest and held outside their bodies via a red candle.
–their soul, appearing as a blue sparkle.

[white junco]

i think skykid cores are the part that remains from when they were stars

[eternal totem]

Ooh we have completely different takes!

Personally overcharged kids are hyper aware to their surroundings, they can hear the butterflies flutter from a field away. Aside from glowing brightly than usual, their cape energy never seems to deplete, they're brimming with energy & will never quite down
But, once it (hopefully) wears off or the source of their energy is taken away, they'll feel fatigued for months, possibly years. There's cracks all over their shell that has not been there before, they remember every little spec of sand, every gust of wind, if you gave the Bee Movie script to a overcharged kid they'll be able to recite it in full perfect detail— it's opposed to memory loss to darkness, it'll take a long time to recover or in worse cases, never at all

[violet sundial]

I know i said i’d go but i Really enjoy this subject and this chat so. I came up with the idea of a sort of spear weapon that basically can destroy skykid bodies by overcharging them with light . I’ve yet to draw it though

It’s not really a Spear but it is Shaped like one and I don’t have a name. Also i imagine the pointy part would be shaped like

[raw crypt]

OHHH THATS SUCH A COOL IDEA!! i always try to balance light and dark so both in excess r too dangerous so i draw a lot of similarities, thats so cool omg

[white junco]

if you have too much of both do u just explode

[violet sundial]

What it feels like to chew 5 gum

[raw crypt]

i think they cancel eachother out like bedmas

[eternal totem]

An overcharged kid will eventually burst if they don't stop, much like how corruption will if they weren't shown the light again

[north estuary]

OK SO. Overcharged kids capes start to burn up. They lose their ability to fly. And because they have no way to get rid of the surplus of light, they eventually crumble into ash

[eternal totem]

Oooh that's cool! Although I personally think they'll be gone within a flash, no trace will be left behind opposed to a corrupted kid, who will leave slug/stone remains

[frigid tinsel]

actually gave me a thought – if you take the weekly reset as canon, what if skykids go to Eden regularly to dispose of the light inside them to prevent them from being overcharged from all the light they passively or actively collect?

[violet sundial]

Actually… that makes me think More on this

What if their cus their bodies are made of stone they can crack and fall apart. That makes me think of houseki no kuni a bit… has anyone here seen it. Or read it

[untold notch]

i havent seen it but i am aware of it

[eternal totem]

I have 🥲

[violet sundial]

Pain. All i know is pain

[copper saffron]

i just think overcharged skids are what u see when u ascend

[hushed steeple]

Isnt that just ede-oh someone else said it first

[untold notch]

i need phos' goop arms so bad

[frigid tinsel]

I like to think that as long as their flame is alight, any cracks or breaks in their shell can heal. but when extinguished, they can't regenerate their shell

[white junco]

you see some skykid running around super fast in prairie and assume they're overcharged but no it's just adhd

[hushed steeple]

Peeps who think skykids are clay, do yall also say spirits were clay when they were alive?

[eternal totem]

That is what I'm going for, they shine brightly & have no cohesive form

[simple flicker]

They could do what stone does if super heated

[frigid tinsel]

given there are no living ancestors, that's impossible to know for sure

[violet sundial]

That would be neat… ive kinda like. Based a lot of my ideas around the idea of skykids being composed of a soul, body, and their light

[white junco]

personally i lean towards them being mostly flesh & blood and the skykids were made in their image

[hushed steeple]

Bro nothing in this game is possible to know

[frigid tinsel]

I make them fleshy in my ficverse just for ease of writing

[copper saffron]

ive posted my theory about the skykids having physical darkness bodies and light souls

[chrome sentinel]

I wish TGC was more clear you know 👀

[hushed steeple]

The general rule I found is, the more you assume skykids and spirits function like regular people, the less you will be amazed when they do things like have tea parties and eat a pastry.

[white junco]

i'm so happy they decided to post the shattering poems i flipped my lid when the first one came out

[chrome sentinel]

Me too honestly 👍

[violet sundial]

The body is what they leave the behind in Eden when they die and the soul is the blue light that seperates from it

The light holds those two things together like glue so when it’s completely gone they just. Seperate

[north estuary]

Sky kids are made of clay!!! ! It’s canon!!!!! /j

[white junco]

nothing is canon!!!

[chrome sentinel]

Wait really? I don't anymore 😭

[eternal totem]

Only Rally gay cannon

[untold notch]

maybe the real canon was the friends we made along the way

[white junco]

i'm exaggerating but not by much

[violet sundial]

Uh idk what u mean spade???? Crab whisperer being at my house is 1000% canon i can hear them in my kitchen looking for snacks

[frigid tinsel]

not far off from what TGC would actually say

[white junco]

i asked tgc if i was right and they said yes soooooo

[violet sundial]

Headcanon the pain away

[eternal totem]

Can confirm I'm TGC

[chrome sentinel]

Man the whole vague storytelling worked for journey because it was a one off thing. But I feel like it's not working for Sky

[eternal totem]

More like add more pain

[white junco]

we'll get there. maybe. eventually

[eternal totem]

In the near future. Perhaps. One day...

[chrome sentinel]

Yeah I hope so sky is more fleshed out than journey

[violet sundial]

This is literally just ichikawa looking at phosphophyllite

[white junco]

• tgc when people asked if we were ever gonna get a better explanation of the lightseeker lights

[frigid tinsel]

Eden is already erupting, what more do you want? /j

[eternal totem]

The grip Homura & Phos have on me

[chrome sentinel]

Another 1,000 yr 😭 ( I think idk the actual number)

[untold notch]

sending this to my friend that reads hnk so they can confirm

confirm is probbaly bad wording i think its more like. do u agree

[violet sundial]

Ive read it lol

Its way too true 💀

[eternal totem]

TGC making the Ark murals & calling it a day

[untold notch]

update: they agree

[violet sundial]

Feels like TGC has made plenty of Lightseekers related seasons but none of them explain it

[eternal totem]

I want to hive five the Prince so hard the world around us shatters

[slate saffron]

I don't want the sun

I think that sky would be better without the sun

The beam of light in eden is the only sun I need

[raw crypt]

update i hated the old art so i redrew the second image

[chrome sentinel]

Imagine no sun just the red glow of eden

[white junco]

there's like some post or quote from a stream somewhere that says "we'll have more lightseekers lore in the future!" and it's been 3 years

[violet sundial]

TGC tried tried

[eternal totem]

The forbidden Mt Dew

[untold notch]

well that would probably ruin the ecosystem

[violet sundial]

Mountain dew is literally banned in a bunch of countries

[chrome sentinel]

The law can't stop me 😤

[eternal totem]

I played during the season & I barely remember a thing from it too, it was bare bones, a desert, I can't believe they made this season so early on, I have to look at every 1 pixel of Lightcatcher & look at whatever Al & Vela got going on

creates a season related to the light of this world
refuses to elaborate further
leaves

[sharp lichen]

we have uh the umbrella people in enchantment and thats about it

[violet sundial]

Crab whisperer would offer a person who’s literally dying from thirst a bottle of mountain dew

[eternal totem]

Yep, I remember when the connection was first made

[frigid tinsel]

better than nothing.

btw dont call me Alas. either Al or Dair or my full name is okay

[violet sundial]

I mean technically assembly is by extension somehow Lightseekers lore

Maybe theres some hidden deeper meaning behind some of their professions…. Probably not but. Forester and Botanist in particular like. Both are like.

[frigid tinsel]

the headcanons and theories got so wild it spawned lightseeker brainrot. despite what Vela syas, they were patient zero

[eternal totem]

I had a different idea for the Lightseekers in mind, but them being healers was just so unbelievably obvious, it's right there, it makes so much sense

[raw crypt]

SAME

[frigid tinsel]

really what interests me about the lightseekers is that they handle light and Sky clearly has a light magic system going on. lightseekers, by handling that light, can manipulate so much of the world of sky and the beings within it. while healers, yea, are a given, it gets me musing what else they could be capable of since light is so integral to this universe

[untold notch]

in which crab whisperer bends the fabric of reality

[violet sundial]

WAIT oooooh

Okok what if the thing Lightseekers did during bloom where they interacted with the trees to tease out light from them is actually like. A pretty standard practice among them

Botanist and forester were both learning about this before they Died

[outer hare]

Aight so, I believe the krills are attracted to darkness and here is why. 1st of all in the newest ancient memory the krills seem to be triggered by the firming of a red substance, which is normally associated with the crystals that take away the light of skykids 2nd of all the krills are seen krilling the mantas and skykids, the skykids outer shell in one theory is told to be darkness and another theory suggests that mantas eyes were used to make power stones. The krills could've used this association and led to krill mantas due to their connection with darkstone - 3rd of all I guess is that there is a spirit in tlp that is addicted to drinking dark water, this same addiction might apply to krills. Mainly in the end of this paragraph that sounds like a child writing a persuasive essay is that krills may be attracted to the dark instead of the light

[eternal totem]

Yes yes, initially I only thought the Lightseekers were working with the Enchanters to bring forth the colored light for decades
I had thought of more but I
*dies

[frigid tinsel]

yea I'm tired too

[eternal totem]

Time to sneep

[violet sundial]

This is very vague but I think if my idea holds true because of this then that would at least solidify another facet of their jobs

Hugging trees
I wonder if they ever learned how to “talk” to plants

[untold notch]

hello bees!

[violet sundial]

Bee whisperer spirit

They died cus they mistook some wasps for bees

[livid brook]

me realizing i missed mischief days as a moff

oh sry wrong channel

[raw crypt]

i yhink i gave myself psychic damage thinking and now saying mischief is the next event after these two

agony

[untold notch]

wow i do not like that

[raw crypt]

ME EITHER oh my god time

[untold notch]

passage of time...

[white junco]

what

[untold notch]

time is moving and i do not like that

[raw crypt]

i hope that next mischief has the enchantment crew there, last yeat the symbol was on the cauldron tgc show me the beloveds

[outer hare]

Bobbit 💜

[cedar sun]

So yeah the snore thing afk is in game

[round parrot]

Lore question: Do Skykids have a functioning body? Like when we die, we can hear our own heartbeat, which means ||blood|| is being distributed throughout the body, or does that mean something else?

[copper saffron]

i think the heartbeat isn't a real heart, more like the pulse of the soul or something. but for them it's just like a biological heart. if they were with humans i imagine skykids would instinctively be drawn to us, our warmth and heartbeat

[midnight sonnet]

Time to get sucked in the lore chat again

[slim plume]

I spent like, a solid hour reading over the past messages dear Megabird

[tepid veldt]

i did that once all in the name of having context

[slim plume]

To be fair, I did enjoy reading over the madness that was "How many calories does the sun have," literally making a lorechat hivemind sona, "Drabble is a -------" and very wholesome writing advice

[tepid veldt]

wait a minute what

[slim plume]

Look at the past messages 💀

[tepid veldt]

im not sure i want to now

[slim plume]

Fair, besides there's like, 75+ messages of the lorechat just descending into Loss-Of-One-Hivemind-Braincell™️

[copper saffron]

i missed the sun convo what

[tepid veldt]

everything happened when i was sneep snorping

[snow cosmos]

mornin lorechat

[tepid veldt]

gmorning salem

[slim plume]

Very late but hello Birdlem!

[noble ferry]

i sometimes think of lore chat as this
Possibly 12 crabs in a trench coat going mad over vague sky lore

[slim plume]

I LOVE THAT SO MUCH

[snow cosmos]

quality content

also gmorn iydll and abyssmal!

[loud canopy]

how many calories is the sun?

[snow cosmos]

239 per ray

[slim plume]

Honestly could get a healthy meal from eating it

[forest hornet]

Perfect

[frigid tinsel]

This is accurate

Alasdair’s fanfics
I’m flattered

[slim plume]

It's well-deserved, literally the only one in here who can get their braincell in line for long enough to write something substantial

[snow cosmos]

speaking of- Alasdair, are your fanfics posted somewhere I could read them?

[frigid tinsel]

I’m on AO3: https://archiveofourown.org/users/alasdair_pl
There’s only one completed fic there, the one about the Valley Elder(s). A lot of the excerpts I post here are from incomplete WIPs that sit in my Google Drive but I hope to get them to a spot where I can publish them someday.

[snow cosmos]

immediately skitters to go read

[snow cosmos]

yoooooo this is so good. put down my phone in the middle of the valley race and did not regret it

this is definitely gonna inform the way i write the valley cutscene when i get around to it

[marble lynx]

What have I missed?

Oof that's my fic

[snow cosmos]

oh man- don't take that the wrong way! it was more of a "no, vault my beloved" than a "this is bad and the writer should feel bad"

writing that makes you feel things is good writing, even if the things it makes you feel are upsetting!

[keen shore]

Wait bird Salem I just realized. Have you seen my Sunset fic yet, and if so do you want to see it? A lot of memes in this channel revolve around it and also it. It’s a . Well you will see

[snow cosmos]

i have not, cat Salem! and I would love to OwO

[keen shore]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message the holy and horrible texts

the contrast between me and alasdairs sunset fics always makes me lose my mind

[snow cosmos]

wheeze

[marble lynx]

||There was a strange "monster" in Vault so the characters have to-||

[snow cosmos]

get me the link and i'll add it to my reading list-

[keen shore]

best experienced directly after we are one and I am two for maximum comedic whiplash

[marble lynx]

https://archiveofourown.org/works/40233798/chapters/100773738 Hope you don't mind my terrible grammar mistakes

[snow cosmos]

not at all! if you ever want a beta/proofreader, feel free to hmu tho!

[slim plume]

I ABSOLUTELY CANNOT BAD CAT BAD CAT

[keen shore]

sometimes history repeats itself 💔

[marble lynx]

||I won't tell you the fic is based on the gaming environment and the terrible bugs||

[rigid mural]

I should redraw this but Actor has emo bangs and cries blood

[eternal totem]

"We have come for your child." They said in almost perfect unison, in one their voice slightly cracked, I couldn't believe it.
"GET THE HELL OUT!" I screamed at the top of my lungs, I couldn't believe what was happening, I stomped off in a rather enraged fashion as I glared at my very own parent, if I could call "it" one, then (A/N: my dad left to get milk at age 5 im emtional ok!!!!!!)

[keen shore]

THE HOLY IMAGE

[rigid mural]

no

[keen shore]

Due to developments in Alasdairs fics, I like to imagine one of the dreams skater’s (the person who wrote this hypothetical fic) parents is admiring actor, and one of their adoptive parents finding and reading the fic is how they found out. Which is a long way to say that what you said is canon

[rigid mural]

I think it would be funnier if Dreams Skater was part of the minority that wasn't related to Actor & be jealous of those that are.

[keen shore]

Both are equally funny in my eyes, the concept that their horrible fic is how they found out about their parent kills me

[slim plume]

How did we get here 😭

[keen shore]

Dreams guide reading the fic and experiencing extreme psychic pain

[rigid mural]

Bold of you to assume the guide wasn't even cringier at that age. If the Rythm troupe is Sky 1D, who would be the Beatles

[keen shore]

Oh god, my brain wants me to say gratitude but I don’t want to accept it and also they barely fit. But also there’s such a limited selection that I don’t have much choice,

Except… what if pleaful parent

[rigid mural]

AND DANCING PERFORMER

[slim plume]

Unrelated but for some reason Flight being the Spice Girls came up in my mind and now I can't get the image out of my head

[eternal totem]

1D... now I'm imagining those Tumblr scenario/confession pages

[rigid mural]

Sparkler Parent and Dreams Guide are besties, when the former asks the latter if they listened to Pleaful Parent's old band songs, Dreams guide laughs it off but doesn't reply.

[keen shore]

Those imagine pictures where you’re in love with Harry Styles and he gives you his kidney when you need it but it’s festival spin dancer instead

[eternal totem]

HAHAHSHAH NOO

[slim plume]

Catlem is typing another cursed fanfiction I can feel it

[keen shore]

POV: you are in the hospital after a bad boat accident. Your organs were horribly damaged and one of your kidneys needs to be replaced. festival spin dancer rushes to the hospital as they put you under for emergency surgery. But when you wake up, shocked and grateful that they managed to find another kidney to replace it with, they are nowhere to be found. You ask your doctor if you know where they went and they respond:

“Who do you think gave you the kidney?”

[rigid mural]

I don't know that band but I like to imagine Flight Guide really doesn't look like they listen to the type of music they do.

If you headcanon them as mild, caring and gentle for example, death metal.

[snow cosmos]

i feel like Flight crew listens to dad rock a la the Guardians of the Galaxy

[rigid mural]

DAD ROCK SO TRUE

[keen shore]

WOFJWODIAODKVJWOWIF

[snow cosmos]

we need a more emphatic sky laughing emoji

[keen shore]

I want to rewrite the joke but am hitting a wall. What in your opinions is the most likely spirit to work at sky mcdonalds

[rigid mural]

Helkipi

[slim plume]

The fact that a person can survive with one kidney implies that Festive Spin Dancer has donated their kidneys before or had only one kidney

[eternal totem]

Girl: I am having fried chicken meal
Rhythm guide: I know

*after chicken

Girl: where is Rhythm?
ReshDonald's employee: what do you think the fried chicken meal is made of
Girl: what? *starts crying

[snow cosmos]

it's okay they're just recovering in a different room

[keen shore]

YOURE RIGHT BUT WE’RE TALKING ABOUT SPIRITS HERE,
dark already rewrote it so I don’t have to know the answer to this question but it is burning in my mind. My guess is one of the basegame valley spirits, maybe confident sightseer

[keen shore]

They lost their other kidney after drinking a latte bc they’re allergic to milk

[slim plume]

HELP

NOT EVEN LACTOSE INTOLERANT, JUST SPECIFICALLY ALLERGIC TO MILK

[rigid mural]

I think "worked at McDonalds" is on the old questgiver's resume

[sharp lichen]

What’s going on PLEASE I DONT UNDERSTAND ANY OF THIS

[white junco]

i think bearhug hermit wouldn’t know what mcdonald’s is

[keen shore]

this but with rhythm guide turning into the elder bird

[slim plume]

IT'S THE *TYPOS FOR ME

[rigid mural]

Hermit has a phone with candy crush because Postman wanted to be able to organize dates. They almost finished all the levels.

[slim plume]

Besties how long have yall been playin 😭✋

[keen shore]

Bearhug still doesn’t know flash was discontinued

[slim plume]

They were close to completing the game but then Eden sharded because Eden Elder wanted to complete it first

[sharp lichen]

Bearhug and postman play Fireboy and Watergirl together

[keen shore]

Postman absolutely kills it at Mario kart

[rigid mural]

FIREBOY AND WATERGIRL SO TRUE
Postman on coolmathgames dot com

[slim plume]

Postman on Bandcam dot com recording with 240p quality

[keen shore]

For some reason the first thought that popped into my head was “math exists in Sky????”

[novel marten]

Bearhug still uses Internet Explorer

[novel marten]

+ =

[rigid mural]

(×+)+=

[novel marten]

Me reliving Pleaful Parent

[languid island]

Void diamond as a questgiver recharges us (tested in home space) - does this detail affect lore some ways?

[marsh rivet]

nobody acknowledged my theory of skykids having interdimensional back pockets they can pull an endless amount of marshmallows out of 😔

[snow cosmos]

that's canon

[rugged eagle]

Change the krill with a shard and somehow the answer is the same

[sharp lichen]

WHAT DID WE DO FOR THREE DAYS STRAIGHT

[frigid tinsel]

Yes

[hushed steeple]

Just tested this theory, it must be true. How do you like your marshmallows? I personally like them nice golden brown and puffy right before they burn. XD

[hushed steeple]

I like them undercooked

But still warm and gooey, right???

[austere bridge]

I saw some of the discussions above and
1: shattering is def. like
heavy metal or dubstep or sumthin like that(I like both of those genres)
and performance is like
just songs from musicals(that makes sense)
2. there’s def. a spirit who loves rain world

[eternal totem]

I like to gnaw on the stick

[snow cosmos]

on fire or bust

[austere bridge]

mood

[hushed steeple]

Hahaha, There is a dog poem out there that is perfect for you, Dark. Let me see if I can find it. XD

[austere bridge]

ooh same
but I can never get it just right b/c I zone out while it’s roasting

[hushed steeple]

No! Never zone out on the poor marshmallow! XD
Actually, I wish they included chocolate and gram crackers, nothing would make me happier. XD

[eternal totem]

Dirt... rocks...

[hushed steeple]

Good stick. XD

[snow cosmos]

rocks are good cronch

[hushed steeple]

But... That dirt flavor just... Won't compare to chocolate! XD

[frigid tinsel]

compromise – chocolate covered pretzel

[rigid mural]

No

[raw crypt]

im the second spirit thats me

[frigid tinsel]

yes

[white junco]

chocolate rocks

[hushed steeple]

Are we sure that's chocolate? That seems, suspicious to me. >.>

[eternal totem]

Those chocolate rocks

[white junco]

eat these by the handful they're so good omg

[slim plume]

Vivid memory re-unlocked omg I remember those

[hushed steeple]

Oh, my. Those chocolate rocks I will over indulge in. XD

[slim mango]

Anyway when i saw marching adventurer do marching with jellyfish, they just standing, but their move was sliding 🤔

[white junco]

bro is marching

[frigid tinsel]

yesterday they had one jellyfish, today they have two. prob gonna be getting more as the days roll on

[mossy junco]

Hey guys

I have to tell you something about sky

[hushed steeple]

Has anyone else had a jellyfish follow them around? It was so cute, the little jelly was following me until I left the area. I wanted to take it with me everywhere. >.<

[mossy junco]

Apparently when you get in the game sky it just crashes and doesn't let me play it is it just me?

[snow cosmos]

this isn't bug report or general questions, you might want to try #report-a-live-bug or #questions-and-help
but i've had this happen a few times, try checking your device's storage and whether it needs an update
good luck!

[mossy junco]

Ok thanks

[outer hare]

Bobbit :0

[slim plume]

Bobbit 🧡

[rugged eagle]

Hmmm I think I go to wasteland too often that moved for me and Im scared: )

[nimble ingot]

[rugged eagle]

I hope you get krilled

[rigid mural]

No

I can in fact prove I wasn't patient zero

[white junco]

mhm

[nimble ingot]

Who lives in lorechat and loves lightseekers?
Vela "mr gay"

[nimble ingot]

Should I be scared? /j

[frigid tinsel]

then prove it

[slim plume]

I feel like I'm watching an Ace Attorney courtroom battle

[keen shore]

Iirc i looked up the first mention of crab whisperer in this chat and it was Vela

[keen shore]

Gathering evidence via discord searchbar as Pursuit starts playing in the background

First time vela mentioned lightseekers was 9/10/21 however the first message of theirs that shows obsession was 2/26/22

stay tuned for more evidence

Oooof yeah both times Alasdair mentioned them (in terms of first mention and notably showing interest) are roughly a month after Vela’s each. Considering the same thing was true for crab whisperer who worked like a gateway blorbo for this I think we now know the truth

Sorry @rigid mural all current evidence points to you being patient zero.

[rigid mural]

I can't read.

[frigid tinsel]

denialism

[keen shore]

Denial

[slim plume]

OBJECTION! You replied to something negatively that was accusatory and aimed toward you. Therefore, you can read and you are just unwilling to accept that you are in fact, patient zero. I rest my case

[keen shore]

Vela having a dramatic mental breakdown on the witness stand rn

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[slim plume]

Alasdair credit

[earnest briar]

y'all remember the talk here about a month and a half ago about people having Manta plushies like how we have dog and cat plushies?

[snow cosmos]

i remember a conversation about it in passing that was more recent than that,
something about lost toys at the coliseum

[earnest briar]

Basically I started the conversation and then there was a talk about kids in Valley having Manta plushies they would bring to the races and show to the racers and their Manta partners, and how there'd be a Lost and Found for plushies that accidentally were left behind by tired kids that'd be framed as coming to pick up your pet. Then it changed to how sad it would be if we found one of said plushies.

[snow cosmos]

yeah that! i was lurking for that

[earnest briar]

I still think TGC should give us Manta plushies with a speaker that plays their call when you boop their head.

[hushed steeple]

I would be willing to get that! XD

Though, I would worry about my cats taking interest in it. XD

[snow cosmos]

exploring the Abyss and thinking thoughts

[frigid tinsel]

scratching that off the bingo card

[snow cosmos]

the creatures depicted on the left are obviously mantas of various sizes, but by the time we get to them they're krill... does that imply the creature depicted at the bottom was some sort of mega-manta or before it corrupted into the Bad Fish?

just. thinkin bout the ecosystem, and what causes corruption

[frigid tinsel]

the facility at Treasure Reef was likely for experimenting with converting light creatures into power diamonds. obviously something went wrong at the facility given not only by the fact that it's underwater but the dark creatures that was sealed down there (before we released them in Abyss quest 4). the thought is that while the ancestors were figuring out this process, darkness corrupted some of their test subjects, the light creatures.

this mural in particular seems to depict the equation for how many mantas and what type of mantas equal how many power diamonds. perhaps the long worm at the bottom was some bigger creature the ancestors wanted to convert into power diamonds too. some think it's a mosaic eel like the one that swims around Treasure Reef now, though it seems too small.

[snow cosmos]

interesting... I was thinking maybe in the course of experimentation they tried draining the mantas of their light, which could have caused their corruption into krills? this may be obvious but i haven't done a lot of pondering on this topic yet

also thinking about the tower above the facility. the floor here looks like it’s intended to open, most likely activated by the two pedestals, but why? my first thought was to release a beam of light like a waypoint or lighthouse, but there’s a roof, so- i guess it could have just been to fill the chamber at the top with light, but i can’t help wondering if something’s meant to be dropped in

[frigid tinsel]

yea dunno the exact process of turning light creatures into power diamonds, but one of theory is that light creatures are drained of their light which is then put in refined darkstone (darkstone that's been shaped into octahedrons), creating power diamonds. it's partially based off these Tom Zhao concept images.

cat Salem had the thought that the leftover manta corpses would attempt to fuse together since light seems to mutually connect and possibly grow into larger beings, however with darkness involved it messed up that process and turned those creatures into krill

[snow cosmos]

i definitely like the idea of manta corpses becoming krills - it would account for the significant size difference between the mantas and krills we see in the game, and the way krills seem sort of... disjointed? in the way they move

i guess going off that the Big Fish could be the conglomerate of all the manta corpses created by the facility?

[boreal nebula]

Idk if anyone noticed it, but we can save Crabs now!

Which raise a question, if they were always alive on the shish roller... how long can they survive? Meaning... how long time ago did all Ancestors die before we Sky Kids started our Sky life?

[boreal nebula]

Note: those old concepts could be outdated and not fitting Sky now.

For example there are alot of differences betweeb the Factory see in that concept and the Forest Temple we have now

[frigid tinsel]

yea obviously there are differences, but there are also similarities, hence making them worth considering. however one should maintain a critical eye in deciding what may or may not be canon rather than taking concepts as the word of god, especially when they contradict Live

[boreal nebula]

Indeed, the thing called a mould in that concept is not even under the giant golden thing (now there is Forest Elder Altar there)

[frigid tinsel]

concept art gives thought in what the devs were thinking when worldbuilding the game. we should keep in mind that some of these ideas did not make it to Live, influenced the ones that did, or gives background to what did or possibly became canon; yet these still remain concepts

[snow cosmos]

further, if we're going to talk about Forest Temple, the altar is an anvil, is it not? so the temple as a whole could very well be intended to function as a forge, which is essentially a scaled-down version of a factory; this is an example of the essence or idea persisting while the details change

[frigid tinsel]

Hidden Forest splash text says to "find the source of Ancient Power." perhaps Forest was where darkstone was discovered and the power diamond creation process was first established. thus, Rain Elder's temple would be akin to a workstation where prototypes and rough manufacutring processes occured

[snow cosmos]

i definitely like to think of Rain's temple/forge as the place where a) individual large/complicated objects, and b) prototypes for new technologies were crafted

[hushed steeple]

We sky kids turn dark when ran out of light…👀

[frigid tinsel]

yes, skykids are extinguished

[sharp lichen]

Sorry to barge in, but I think we need a drastic update/ a new version of the Leitmotif doc. The old one’s outdated and I think we can it’s a good idea to see how the Sky tracks connect to each other.

There’s multiple ones I’ve recognized:

“Morning”: plays when you log on to Sky in the morning and evening, and just about everywhere else.

“Midday”: plays when you log on to Sky in midday, and just about everywhere else.

“Elders”: plays in the Idle Elder temple, the Valley Elder cutscene, the Prophecy Cave, and when a red shard is near your location.

“Prophecy”: A subtle two-note melody that plays in the Prophecy Trials and when you complete all the trials

[hushed steeple]

Put this in #wish-list

[snow cosmos]

my understanding is the wishlist is for things we'd like to see in the game, not things the community makes surrounding it

[sharp lichen]

Yes

[frigid tinsel]

you're better off making your own updated leitmotif google doc rather than expecting the old one ot make updates

[sharp lichen]

Oh god I have absolutely no music theory knowledge

If I do this it’ll be a repeat of blindly trying to solve Sky physics

The thing is the old document has useful resources, and I’m not sure if I should copy all of it

[marble lynx]

Me too but the corrupted creatures

[viral crypt]

Why is vault of knowledge the only kingdom without accessory closet? Is it because there’s one in ||office|| or is there a lore reason.

[white junco]

it’s probably because vault doesn’t have a social space. also isle doesn’t have a closet either

[keen shore]

It’s because people in vault didn’t believe in clothes, hope this helps. /j

[viral crypt]

Lol ty

[uncut pond]

Still amused that EDEN has a social space and not Vault

[keen shore]

Lore reason, it’s because both the vault and isle elders were created before closets were invented, so that’s why they’re not there

[tepid veldt]

old moment

[white junco]

geezer realms

[keen shore]

There are only sports in valley bc sunset are the only elders that were created after sports were invented.
Also, the reason you only find children spirits in Forest and Valley is because children weren’t invented yet when the other elders were created.

For anyone who’s curious, children were invented when Hide & Seek Pioneer put on a chibi mask

[compact shale]

So... Abyss Guide isn't a child? :3

[uncut pond]

Abyss guide is an immigrant and so is Dreams guide obviously

[gleaming fog]

Who said the realms were in chronological order? Personally I think Eden/the wasteland are the oldest areas (considering they’re the most built up) with the isle/forest being newer (in the switch trailer the isle appears to be a greeting area for migrants).

If I had to guess, the vault has no clothes space because it’s an extension of the wasteland (one is the fortress outside, the other is the fortress inside, same fortress though). The isle is for incoming migrants, a first step to a longer journey, so there’s no reason to change clothes since nobody was there for long enough to actually need it.

[keen shore]

I was talking about the ages of the elders, not the realms! As well as what I said being a joke with not much thought behind it.

[gleaming fog]

WITNESS ME! THE MASTER OF READING CONTEXT! 😂😂😂

Still, never heard of the inventing children thing so I thought it was serious lol, wasn’t trying to bash you

[keen shore]

Oh! Um, I should’ve put a tone indicator, I was trying to say like the concept of children hadn’t been invented yet. Which is a ridiculous enough idea that I assumed the joke was pretty obvious

[uncut pond]

Tbh it isn't that ridiculous for Sky
There was a theory about the hide n seek pioneer being an "adult" spirit and the chibi mask being some magic toy

Of course this ignores belonging and dreams, but you can stretch things enough so that dreams guide is just short and belonging family isn't a biological(?) family (and the "children" are also just short)

[compact shale]

Is there an actual established god who invented children separately from adults /lh

[fair knot]

The Snow inside the flying race building at valley started to melt or it was always like that?

[frigid tinsel]

there's always been scattered mounds of snow there

[fair knot]

The reflective thingy around the snow

I think my game is bugged O.O That's beautiful

[torn eagle]

Hello hello

So I don't know if my memory serves me right but.. is it me or in Laughing Lightcatchers memory they don't capture live creatures into jars but extract light from the passing birds just like how lightseeker spirits extract light from the bloom tree?

If that's the case what's the light collected this way for if mantas are juiced to make power diamonds? And do y'all think this is how butterflies are made in the world of sky? Theyre not actually creatures with life cycles like irl?

[compact shale]

Sky's storyline has basis in how humans treat their environment, so I'm guessing simply extracting light from passing creatures was too slow for the progress they wanted to make with dark diamonds

The way lightcatchers collect light is the old and slow but renewable way, while manta processing liquid is the new faster but non-renewable way

[torn eagle]

Good point.. what about the butterflies? 🤔

There is some truth to it considering that butterflies come from jars that store light, and in Prairie elders cutscene a butterfly was made from the light we give to them

[lone tiger]

I think that the elders gouges the manta’s eyes out to get the diamond since thwir eyes look likes a diamond. The remaining corspes maybe theown into water and then become the wasteland’s polluted water OR they uses it for creating krills and adding a circular eye. I’m so sorry this is disturbing 😦

[rigid mural]

Maybe that's what the first Shattering poem meant by "taking light from the wind" ?

Could have started as something harmless such as harvesting what light creatures shed (like in the lightcatcher memory), but it devolved into just processing entire creatures to have more light at once.

[eternal totem]

Cadet using crab call when you catch a crab

[rigid mural]

OH THEY'RE HERE ?
Crab Whisperer jr

[eternal totem]

I like the contrast, we have CW going through sluggish mud like a sopping wet cat but Cadet would rather not

Crab is supposed to be a hard rare catch but this is the 73837 time I caught it

SC had a tantrum over a sticks catch, now they're stuck like this

I am studying them like a bug in a jar don't mind me

[rigid mural]

I like to think they're scared of water because where they and Crab Whisperer come from, it's saturated with toxic waste.

[eternal totem]

Yes that's what I also think is the reason

[slate saffron]

FRUITZIE LORE MAN

[slate saffron]

Entropy shall come for us all, o'lord of sunder & dread. It's just that in your case I, among others, shall be working to hasten that entropy. It will not be a quick process mind you, but it will be painful one. It will be an agonizing one. But not for the lucky ones who will perform it upon you.

Suffer

[earnest briar]

I want to take them to Sanctuary and give them Manta-shaped pool floaties so they can feel safe in the water and have the flock of Mantas swarm them to say hello because they see Cadet as another Manta due to their floaties, and have Cadet cry happy tears because Manta soft and warm.

[marble lynx]

The words look like Arabic, wondering if this Sky language

And how to read from

[eternal totem]

It sort of does but it doesn't actually mean anything in the language

[marble lynx]

Maybe this kind of language had extinct already, so we can't see the spirits speaking with dialogue

In my story, the spirits were speaking in English instead of their language

[eternal totem]

Well, yes, for the reader to understand what they're saying it should be in English, but I always imagine Ancestors speaking Hebrew/Arabic/Persian (Farsi) etc, etc

[marble lynx]

For me, they honk

[keen shore]

Dark I like your idea and I’ve never thought about it before and it makes sense so I’m stealing it.

The only other idea I had was for like, light based telepathy but that’s more for skykids than spirits

[eternal totem]

Yeah, Skykids communicate differently since Ancestors language is lost, they talk either through sign/emotes/calls & your idea does fit in too

Although in later generations a language will eventually sprout

[keen shore]

My concept was like. What they want to say is encoded in the honk, then as they deep call it pushes outwards towards other skykids (I DONT KNOW HOW TO EXPLAIN THIS HELP) hence why we honk when we chat. I personally also love the sign language idea too though, wondering if that’s how we communicate with spirits who wouldn’t pick up the telepathy

[pastel brook]

You want me to play you a lullaby or what?

[torn eagle]

Recently Ive wondered if the name "Sanctuary Islands" had a different meaning to it (Other than being a sanctuary for us, taking a break from the hustle amd bustle of the world like what the quote for it states)

After looking closely at the environment and the spirits in Sanctuary Ive come to think that it may be some sort of wildlife preservation area

Think of it, some cosmetics from the spirits are connected to creatures (Butterfly Cape, Seashell Cape, Manta Cape, Jellyfish Hair, Turtle Handpan)

It's the only area in game we see an elder manta and turtle exist in the world of sky.. its also one of the two areas we see friendly crabs exist (the other being the wasteland bonfire) Also considering that Sanctuary is located in Prairie where it is implied that rearing/nurturing of light creatures is prevalent here

What do y'all think?

[torn eagle]

Im stealing this in passing

[keen shore]

Yeah! That seems to be a pretty common idea from what I’ve seen, especially considering the bells we find to summon the creatures and its connection with the wind paths, which is also implied to be a wildlife sanctuary of some kind

[keen shore]

Makes sense. Unless I’m misinterpreting and the fic is otherwise written in a different language than English, it’s fair to do this for convenience because a good portion of readers won’t know how to translate/read whatever language you choose for them.

[keen shore]

Fun fact this was one of the bits of evidence I stole and used to convince Alasdair that they should mention cadet in hir fic

[keen shore]

WIRJWOFJV YESSSSS THIS TINY DETAIL IS SO CUTE, hammering in my whole apprentices theory, ily catdet

[torn eagle]

Tbh Im thinking if what someone said here was plausible, windpaths being a rebel base instead... but I digress, I still cant find other supporting details other than what they pointed out (windpaths being the home to a small group of people making chimes, boats, and tending to the light creatures while being a hub connecting the different realms in addition that the windpaths' entrances are somewhat hidden)

Im leaning more to the idea that windpaths are just a hub for the kingdom of sky, may have also been used as the main path to transport mantas and light from prairie to forest and possibly eden or wasteland as well

[keen shore]

I believed that for a bit but it seems to go deeper than that. The flight spirits refuse to use darkstone even if it would make their lives easier. They went to the trouble of inventing a specific kind of boat without it (you don’t see it anywhere else) to do that. Which is pretty solid evidence that they were against the concept as a whole and at the very least would not have participated in it.

As well as light whisperers memory showing they care for creatures like birds enough to make it really hard to imagine them being okay with using those creatures to charge things.

[torn eagle]

Hmm tru.. but I cant think how jars with butterflies wounded up in the underground caverns other than that explanation, hmm..

[keen shore]

They could have used the other two entrances. I’ve actually thought about the wind paths entrance to the Underforest a good amount, and what made me suspicious is how hidden it is… there’s no way of finding it unless you are literally right on top of it. My first thought was “they used this to smuggle things didnt they”

[torn eagle]

Hmmm but it doesnt make sense sonce both entrances (not the windpaths) lead to sunny forest 🤔

[keen shore]

I don’t really get that logic, since forest was the main center of darkstone production they could have easily entered and used the space from both sides.

Btw you don’t need to ping reply to me when my message is right there!

[torn eagle]

Gomen gomen force of habit TvT

Am I misunderstandinf something? 🤔 What doesnt make sense to me is that both entrances for underground caverns, other than the windpath entrance, are found in sunny forest... Going by your thoughts (if Im understanding it right) they use the treehole entrance in sunny forest to enter the caverns and exit at the gate that leads back to sunny forest?

[keen shore]

Oh! Since you find lots of pots with butterflies in the Underforest, my logic is that it wasn’t used to get from one place to another like the wind paths; but more as an extra storage area for butterfly pots. Hence why they’re scattered around.

[torn eagle]

Oh! True hmmm then what was the windpath entrance used for in your opinion? (You did say smuggling but I wanna hear specifics TvT)

[snow cosmos]

(ping off) kind of like the way dog barks all sound roughly the same to us, but have distinct meanings in communication with other dogs? linguistics brain go brrr

[keen shore]

Smuggling light creatures away from the Underforest, maybe because that’s where they were held before they were sent to the refinery!

[snow cosmos]

this would also add some depth to the reasoning behind the variations of each call - the way they sound different each time you tap them? could be different communications ("follow me!" vs "panic panic spotted by krill" vs "HEY HI HELLO YES")

[scenic siren]

I think sky kids honk not works like normal language. They do not have grammar rules or actual universal words, because if that is the case then grey players should be able to communicate.

I think the sound is just to draw attention, actual information in their speech is conveyed through the light aura that emits when they honk

In that world light seems to be able to hold memories. It makes sense if it can transfer memories too.

Sky kid seems to be able to sense light from quite far distance, they can "hear" others chat from a map across. But between too many signals they need to "recognize" the light to catch it, like know which radio to listen to, by "subscribe" to it = touching candles then eat enough wax from other

Don't know how to describe it 😅

[snow cosmos]

the idea of no grammar rules or "words" works with the idea of it being like animal communication - ex: dogs don't have individual barks for "there" "is" "food" "here" but they might have one for "food here", in the same way skids might have a honk for "light here" but not "there" "is" "light" "here"

the point you make about greyed out skids not being able to communicate is a good one, though. i conceptualize it as, to use your radio metaphor, everything is static until you're tuned into a particular skid, and then their honks hold meaning as discussed above; sort of like... you have to learn someone's particular idiolect (personal dialect/way of speaking) to understand what they're saying specifically, but just hearing them is enough to get the general gist? hence why we can understand strangers' honks but not their written chats

i like the idea that the light is what holds the meaning rather than the sound, though! that's a really interesting take

[sharp lichen]

When in doubt, give @wheat cypress a shout!

[slim plume]

I feel like Light is always sort of connected, but maybe to really understand another you need to physically share your light with them and that's why we can't understand strangers?

Just a thought

[wheat cypress]

I've been summoned lol.... yes @scenic siren this is a great theory... I'm currently working on researching sky honks linguistics so yes you can ask me anything tho I may not have an answer

[rigid mural]

I follow that idea yeah ! Things connected by light understand eachother, that's also why light creatures come to our aid !

[scenic siren]

In my headcanon, I think only sky kids and elders born talk solely by light. The ancestors may be able to use both, but normally talk by voice (which later the elders learnt, but with some weird accent)

If they "talk" by light and need to have enough physical contact to understand each other, this fantasy world will have no spam call. Because spam calls usually come from strangers. And public speaking would be super awkward. Basically, every public service would be awkward.

About phone, they may be able to transfer normal voice signals, and special expensive, custom models can transfer light signals as well, though only the most basic (artificial objects can intimate that light aura, like they made the bells to call mantas which hardly sound like manta voice but maybe have compatible light aura)

The elders had a hard time doing video conference (the device on top floor of Vault looks like a video conference device to me), since if talk by light the transfer is not good enough for complex sentences, and if they talk with sound like human it will be like a bunch of foreigners trying to have a conversation in English with terrible accent, which is worse. After that they switched to normal meetings (2nd floor room), accept the travelling cost

Though I would love to see all elders in a fantasy Zoom call with Prairie elder let the cam face the ceiling and Valley elder change filter every 10 seconds

[slim mango]

About the call, when i do grandma wax farming, during days of sunlight, sometimes grandma do mimicking jellyfish voice from small jellyfish- and rarely, butterfly voices... Hmm

[tough coral]

OH MY GOD a fellow "flight spirits were an active rebellion against the darkstone revolution" believer???

[scenic siren]

Yes, ancestors can mimic animal sound, like we trying to meow at our cat 😄 But if it actually make sense in cat language is another thing

But several special ancestors, can communicate with animals (the Whisperer spirits). I think again, throgh the light aura

[keen shore]

You converted me Sniv, I already kinda believed it but didn’t think about it a lot

[tough coral]

:D i am a FIRM believer that this is true. I also took it one step further from " theyre just against darkstone" to "if given the opportunity these guys would kill the king"

[earnest briar]

Light Whisperer honks once and a flock of birds grab the King and chuck him off a cliff into the Darkstone waste pool.

[keen shore]

True story I was there

[tough coral]

hold on i gotta doodle something now :)

[earnest briar]

oh honk did my funny give you an idea?

[tough coral]

nonono its something else

[rigid mural]

Punk Flight guide again, because the idea of them rebelling against those in power and their darkstone is fantastic.

[tough coral]

(the navigator just feels like a Jake to me idk)

[slim plume]

Navigator would definitely be the one eager for murder idk why

[untold notch]

this is good i like this

[slim plume]

I love the enby flag so much

[merry bluff]

I wonder if the red shards are just Sky kids that died and left their candles behind?

[tepid veldt]

that sentence made me think of this picture

[bronze arch]

I just realized something.

We can’t Ascend the Season Guides.

Is there something tethering them to this world?

[compact shale]

I have a headcanon that Abyss is about changing the crew's memories about Cannoneer's demise to lift the weight in their minds tethering them but in the end Abyss Guide still remembers due to being the one who originally tried to rescue Cannoneer but failed. They need good old fashioned ✨ therapy ✨

[merry bluff]

I wonder if they are pseudo elders then.🤔

[earnest briar]

Well my headcanon is that through being trapped inside the Leviathan and therefore inside darkness just like the Elders plus the combination of all the Light from the creatures it'd consumed, we were able to make changes to the world and change Cannoneer's fate to ensure that they made it out.

[merry bluff]

You know, I thought the elders where like leaders or guardians to the Sky folk. But they all failed and either died or forced to try to get all the spirits ascended. Since they don’t have any missing memories to be found and move around decently.

[earnest briar]

Basically how it works is that with a strong enough combination of both Light and Dark, changes can be made to the world. Like how the Forest Elder can reactivate the machinery in their temple to open the doors and free the Mantas. They use the Darkness they're trapped in, and the Light we give them.

[keen shore]

Just because we can’t find the elders memories yet doesnt mean they didn’t lose any…! I have a headcanon (that 3 people subsequently used for their ficverses, which is super funny and made me very happy) that the elders lost some of their memories similar to how spirits might have to darkness, especially ones surrounding the apocalypse

[eternal totem]

Details are hazy, when seasonal hearts were first introduced, you could ascend the Belonging guide (beta)

But I personally think each guide is a stubborn soul with an inner light stronger than anyone, they come to us seemingly uncorrupted

[keen shore]

My personal hc is that the guides work like normal spirits in terms of having to be found and ascended, and they’re the first one you find so they stick around until you find their friends, with the guide thing being a game mechanic,
however it varies from person to person so keep that in mind

[bronze arch]

I think we should be able to relive the memories of the Season Guides in the Eye of Eden.

[keen shore]

why would they be there??

[bronze arch]

Idk they seem important

[marble lynx]

Need a button to relive the quests again

[keen shore]

as you can see there are white orange and green reacts on this picture which is a subtle reference to the fact that flight guide is Irish. Like this post for more fun spirit facts. /j

[slim plume]

As someone who has friends who are Irish and play Sky, can confirm that they like to rebel against those in power /j /mostly-a-historical-reference

[bronze arch]

In all seriousness, the Eye of Eden has a really varied terrain, so it could work as a more meaningful place than a literal place.

[keen shore]

ISFJWOFJ I remember ages ago we all came to the not fully serious consensus that prairie was basically Ireland and I don’t even remember why

[slim plume]

It's not Ireland if it doesn't have potatoes, sheep, and pubs. If it lacks any one of those key components that's just rural Europe /j

[keen shore]

Okay hear me out. The sheep are the mantas. We don’t have enough examples of how agriculture or public food places work in Sky to accurately determine if potatoes and pubs existed in Prairie or not, opening up the possibility that they have

[merry bluff]

So where is the spirit location or the body? Because they just pop up at random when you to the end of each realm.

[keen shore]

It’s like how irl people with memory loss work… people can lose memories without them being found again.
Also the spirits losing their memories headcanon wasn’t just limited to the memories we relive but almost all of them, including their names, hence why they get titles instead.

I think half of the reason I wanted to joke abt prairie being Ireland in the first place was because we were talking about skykids picking up spirit accents, and I thought the idea of a skykid with an Irish accent was hilarious and adorable

[slim plume]

To be fair 95% of the country is just rural farmland with either hedge walls or stone walls, Prairie fits that description. Now all we need is a farming/agricultural season based in Prairie with the main building looking vaguely like a pub

[tepid veldt]

are we open to some storytime with oc lore?

[snow cosmos]

pops up out of nowhere yes

[slim plume]

OOOH YES PLEASE GIVE ME JUICY BACKSTORY FOR FUNKY FICTIONAL KIDS WITH TRAUMA FROM BIG RED ROCK ON MOUNTAIN

[tepid veldt]

oops. over the limit by 1500 characters.

[snow cosmos]

r i p

[rigid mural]

Flight guide would know endangered languages such as Irish Gaelic

[tepid veldt]

(PART 1) alright, this isnt my best writing, and some of the lore things could be wrong, but here we go!

my old skysona! a goodie.
Quinn has always believed that he was on the more fortunate side. He has never gotten krilled. never been betrayed. Aside from being extraordinarily clumsy, Quinn has always believed that he led a relatively normal life. He always wandered around Hidden Forest, careful not to let his light drain out.
And then he met Ishiko. Quinn was confronted by her on a day where it was raining particularly hard. He had heard of Ishiko before - ruthless with her opponents and always carrying her secret weapon. What that was, exactly, Quinn didn’t know. But he was about to find out.
They met in the boneyard. A corpse of a whale stood between them. Quinn couldn’t see Ishiko amongst the bones; but that didn’t mean that she couldn’t see him.
Almost immediately he was confronted with a pointed shape two inches from his mask. An umbrella. He backed away but Ishiko kept coming. He suddenly stopped when he felt something behind his back. Part of the whale’s rib cage. Quinn had nowhere to run.

[keen shore]

YOURE RIGHT THEY TOTALLY WOULD

[tepid veldt]

(PART 2)

The two stood there for a very long time. Quinn felt himself getting drained more and more of his light with each pit pat of the rain on his body. He had never been in the rain for a prolonged period of time before.
And then he noticed something. The glowing part of his green petal cape wasn’t glowing anymore—a clear sign that he had been without shelter for too long.
He stopped looking at his cape and looked around for a sign of Ishiko, but she had gone. On the ground Quinn noticed a beat up umbrella in front of him. He opened it up. The rain was let through in some parts, but it would be good enough for now. He flew back to his home in the forest. There was a thing or two that he could do to this umbrella to spruce it up a bit…

[tepid veldt]

(PART 3)

Perhaps it was fate that the two met again. This time the arena was just behind the temple. Ishiko at once whipped her umbrella out. In response, Quinn drew his own. He felt almost powerful with it; when taking a look at the beaten up umbrella he noticed a luminescent glow—the mark of a Lightseeker. Ishiko had dropped a very rare find.
Ishiko spoke. “Are you ready to lose?”
And Quinn replied. “Absolutely. You are the famed Ishiko, after all.” Then he sprung.
It was a fierce battle. Quinn nearly lost his balance several times, but every time Ishiko would try to disarm him, he would spring up and dart away. Eventually, it turned into a fight in flight. Quinn soon learned that was Ishiko’s weakness.
He thought he had it all figured out. He would dive toward Ishiko, disarm her, and watch her umbrella fall through the clouds. He went for it. He could feel his pulse getting stronger and stronger, getting pumped for the final blow, getting ready to show Ishiko where she really stood.
But the blow never came. Instead his own umbrella was knocked out of his hands. The two watched it spiral down and down until it disappeared. They both dove down. Quinn couldn’t see anything through the clouds. It was all a blur of white, swirling nothingness.
The ground came a tad too early, and Quinn’s instincts a tad too late. He crash landed face first into the grass. But he couldn’t lie there for long, he knew that. Who knows what Ishiko could be doing right now?
He got up only to see Ishiko sitting on a tree stump nearby. When seeing that Quinn was conscious, her eyes softened the tiniest bit. She grabbed her umbrella and flew away. Quinn knew he had earned her respect.
The two have been best friends ever since. And Quinn is always ready to lose, much like how Ishiko is always ready to joust.

looking at my oc lore doc i realized this is the only finished story

[slim plume]

"Dia duit, Forest Elder! Conas atá tú? Níl tú go maith? Go fhoirfe!"

[bronze arch]

I was hoping the weapon was a Summer Lantern but that was AMAZING

[tepid veldt]

the power of arson

[slim plume]

Lovelovelovelovelove the characterisations of your ocs!

[snow cosmos]

very dynamic action, well done!

[tepid veldt]

just forgot i had music lessons soon ill dip for now i havent practiced all week

[bronze arch]

I meant whacking something by swinging it around

[keen shore]

they would also teach us the languages in wuestion

[slim plume]

Better than the Irish education system for the english-speaking schools- /srs

[slim plume]

"Dia duit a pháistí! Inniu beimid ag foghlaim faoin litríocht. Beidh muid ag déanamh staidéir ar dhánta ó Eden-"

[keen shore]

Am both Extemely shocked and impressed that you know the language,abyss lore, lookin at you with eyes

[slim plume]

I've got lessons from said friends Anyhow I need to go to sleep, c ya lore chat!

[pastel brook]

[snow cosmos]

hey, skybot got somethin right- gnight abyssmal!

am coming up with character lore, anyone wanna hear it? it's just bits and pieces at the moment

[rapid arrow]

I would love to hear it!!

[pastel brook]

give peas a chance, brah

[tepid veldt]

hehe music lesson went fine ooh more lore? gimme

[snow cosmos]

hush skybot- but okay! so there's Lumi and Wisp, my two lorekids. i was thinking about how they met, and initially i had Wisp framed as sort of a mentor-figure for Lumi, but now i'm thinking they're more of an older sibling to lyr? not sure where they grew up, but i'm thinking forest maybe

and i was thinking maybe when Lumi was really little, like chibi baby shaped, Wisp left to study/work at the Vault, and Lumi was left behind because, again, baby. and when lyr was old enough, lyr went out to find Wisp and join them at the Vault, but lyr had to travel through the wasteland to get there, and along the way something ended up happening to lyr that resulted in the corruption on lyr face

(first is wisp, second is lumi, siblings is why matching capes)

[pastel brook]

give peas a chance, brah

[snow cosmos]

skybot you just said that

[tepid veldt]

silence, BOT

[rapid arrow]

We love the sibling dynamics.

And trauma of course gotta always have a good dose of that/lh/j

[snow cosmos]

look, if i have to live with trauma, so do my characters- /lh /hj

but yeah! and i'm thinking maybe the, yknow, plant growing out of lyr face makes it hard for Lumi to decode the memory cubes, but i've always gotten this sort of.... mystical vibe from Vault? so maybe while Wisp is more of the Lorekeeper and deals with the recorded history, Lumi leans more into that and spends a lot of time meditating and communing with ascended spirits to get accounts of their lives that weren't preserved in the cubes

[tepid veldt]

im trying to write characters w/o trauma but

tis hard

[rapid arrow]

Haha

My character is also a vault keeper! Although after the first eruption she spent less time in the vault to do the events of the eruption. She mainly helped keep the memory cubes in check as part of her training (that she didn’t really get to complete)

[snow cosmos]

oh i love that!!

[ionic pewter]

So what are the kids I was told come here

I thought they where aliens ahahaha there not fully human looking

Also little prince is from space so kinda makes sense...

[hushed steeple]

Remember how Crab Whisperer was workin those light shoes during Days of Bloom? Well it turns out that some of the Assembly spirits have the same taste.

Also, I know nothing about the new lore due to how long I’ve been gone.

[frigid tinsel]

"alien" is a subjective term – it depends on perspective. living things from Earth such us humans call Earth home while beings not from Earth would be aliens to use. yet beings from another planet would regard us humans as aliens since we do not originate from their planet.

the Little Prince is an alien to the Sky world because he is a living thing from elsewhere. skykids are not aliens because they are of the Sky world, though you could argue that skykids are aliens to the Sky world since they are fallen stars but whatever, for sake of explanation, skykids are not the aliens.

they are nonhuman – humanoid, yes, but they are not humans. you got that already from perceiving them as aliens in the first place since they are visibly and physiologically different from humans. the common theory states that they are nonbiological due to their resiliency and lack of need to satiate biological needs humans have. the clayshell theory considers skykids golems – hollow humanoid vessels full of light. despite the name, their "shell" may not be made of clay but it is a widely accepted theory.

extending from that, here's my working theory on the composition of a skykid:
–clothing, hair, masks & other cosmetics made of light.
–a humanoid physical shell made of some magic-induced earthen material (i.e. clay, stone, ash, charcoal, meteorite) that has a hole in the chest and eyes.
–the hollow shell is full of light, such as winged light and neutral light.
–their cape, a manifestation of winged light.
–their flame, manifesting as the light in the hole in their chest and held outside their bodies via a red candle.
–their soul, appearing as a blue sparkle.

[hushed steeple]

wait, random thought but do you think that sky kids could change the wavelength of their light to have different colored light but haven’t discovered it yet or simply choose not to do it?

[sharp lichen]

Think of them as fantasy creatures

[tepid veldt]

i didnt really get a good shot, but the little guy in confident sightseer’s memory kinda looks like sneepy merchant

please dont mind the second photo it was a meme template

[frigid tinsel]

I would say they already can. their clothing, especially seasonal cosmetics, is colored. all base-game clothing being beige and the default cape being brown strikes me as foundling skykids not yet fully grasping their light manipulation capabilities. base-game capes being the same shape could be them learning to project different colored lights but not yet able to manipulate their winged light, which makeup their cape. their hair can also change color in game sorta – Troupe Juggler has bits of yellow in their hair, some hair bands and beads are teal, both of which skykids can successfully emulate. as for why they largely keep their hair white is unknown.

they may not be able to for some reason or because some light sources are not able to be easily color changed. consider their flames, which is orange-yellow. for fire to change to another color irl, you have to add all sorts of chemicals to it (see: pyrotechnics), burn different flammable sources, or, to make it blue, have it be very very very hot. those options seem not accessible to skykids, so their flames remain yellow-orange.

[pastel brook]

Using emulators is against the Sky TOS, @frigid tinsel. Please don’t use or discuss emulators here.

[tepid veldt]

SILENCE BOT

[tepid veldt]

ive been looking for that image forever, thank you

[frigid tinsel]

Have a blank

[tepid veldt]

thank you

[raw crypt]

i love the silence bot image bc i looked for a crunchy explosion jpeg to overlay the one skybot covered, i nearly used one that had the fake transparency for fun

[hushed steeple]

what would a fnaf collab season look like?

……..

And thats what I think a fnaf collab season should look like.

(I dont know what I’m supposed to say after this)

[sharp lichen]

Sky x Fortnite

[hushed steeple]

This is where I draw the line with horror.

[slate saffron]

@snow cosmos HEY ARE YOU SALEM?

[sharp lichen]

Worse still!

Sky x Twilight

[keen shore]

Cackling at your reference picture of sleepy merchant and yeah, this is a common headcanon! I really like it because it’s cute and because it solves the depressing issue of “what happened to sightseers kid; why can’t we save them? are they still stuck somewhere?”

[snow cosmos]

yes! i am bird salem! and also very good at typing

[hushed steeple]

Sky x Cocomelon

[keen shore]

Do not worry, making comedic typos is part of the Salem curse. It just means you’re reaching your full potential

[slate saffron]

Is this sorta like a Resh vs. Cat Resh situation where there are two people with the same name or are you two both the same person with different accounts?

[snow cosmos]

two different people

[frigid tinsel]

Birds and Salems are not very good typers, bird Salem got the best of both worlds

[hushed steeple]

I’ve been gone for too long.
(Why’d I have to sleep for so long!)

[snow cosmos]

cat Salem has been here quite a bit longer than me, I've been lurking for about a month but only participating in the last week or so

[fickle wing]

i think bird whisperer wears these

[slate saffron]

Ah, alright then! Thanks for the calcification. You two will be fighting each other to the death in a heart-rending season finale

[keen shore]

Who is cat resh and can I be friends with them

[rigid mural]

I would too if I could

[keen shore]

YOU ARE SO MEAN, we are friends. We are working together to commit so many crimes.

[snow cosmos]

not war crimes, but lore crimes

[fickle wing]

i think i like vaguely remember cat resh any convo mentioning them by name would get sniped by skybot during the elder name ban

[slate saffron]

Ill summon them 👍

@lofty rover

[hushed steeple]

By lore crimes do you mean purposefully confusing the whole channel before we get to a lore breakthrough?

[fickle wing]

speaking of that ban rip to ppl named megan during that time

[sharp lichen]

So the thing I do, but it’s actually math poorly disguised as “lore”?

[slate saffron]

WAIT WE CAN SAY MEGAN AGAIN THIS IS FANTASTIC

[keen shore]

I didn’t notice you left the ping reply on and my blood ran cold when I saw the message was yellow

[fickle wing]

congratulations u are now resh

[keen shore]

NOT AGAIN

[slate saffron]

Sorry about that. I sometime forget to turn that off

[keen shore]

Don’t worry about it it was very funny

[slate saffron]

Wait a sec I need to send a vitriolic insult to Skybot again

[sharp lichen]

More specifically Skybot

[past canyon]

I'm just getting started in sky's lore. Today I was super excited to find that forest's elder's mask from older concept art is actually at the forest temple

[sharp lichen]

*Oh, Skybot’s demeanor is something to berate!

And he’s such a beacon of anger and hate!

Everything possible is wrong about him!

His negativity and madness is filled to the brim!

Also, Skybot’s such a menace to have around!

And I would like to beat him into the ground!

Yes, he’s the worst bot and he shouldn’t get a raise!

His personality cannot allow for any praise!

Oh, Skybot should really be pounded by a mace!*

[fickle wing]

how about no slurs at all :/

[frigid tinsel]

Yea let’s not joke about slurs, ‘kay?

[frigid tinsel]

Obligatory Forest Elder is a furry.

Jokes aside, yea that’s concept Forest Elder’s mask. During concept development, the Elders had more animalistic traits.

[sharp lichen]

There, a perfect insult for the idiot bot

[frigid tinsel]

Skybot is such a dolt, it’s name is an insult already

[keen shore]

Thank you, that joke made me super uncomfortable but I wasn’t sure if I was overthinking. I appreciate you speaking up abt it :}

[past canyon]

Do you know if there are any other direct references in the live version to the concept art of those times?

[keen shore]

Prairie’s mask is also on their temple! I’m trying to think of anything else but I don’t remember. The others’ aren’t for some reason.

Really wishing they kept up the dawn + vulture idea because I thought it was amazing and implied really cool things; + I adore vultures.

[frigid tinsel]

Aside from the other easter eggg Salem mentioned, you can follow ideas from concept to see how they developed and changed before entering their final iteration in Live. Like the Isle Elder was once a vulture in concept, yet they maintain theme of death as well as the ferryman motif

[keen shore]

Something about associating vultures with a vaguely deific figure whose job is meant to be to ascend spirits is incredibly cool to me

[slate saffron]

You're an emulation of a thing, skybot. A faded copy of a faded copy of a faded copy of a hollowed husk of something once new & grand. You emulate emotions as if they're enough to make people tolerate your presence. You emulate opinions as if they're enough to contribute to a conversation. You emulate thoughts like they're truly your own & not the sleep-deprived work of the overworked employee who was forced to program you. You emulate memes so crispy and stale that i can hear them crackling from your server in L.A .You emulate phrases like a sick sycophant, desperate clinging for purpose or life. & worse yet, you emulate being a bot as if you're comparable to even the most basic of scripts.

Don't get me wrong, you're programed fine enough, it's the idea of you that ruins all the effort used. You could have been something great, you could have done something with your robotic life.

But instead you chose to be an emulator, & that's entirely on you.

[pastel brook]

Using emulators is against the Sky TOS, @slate saffron. Please don’t use or discuss emulators here.

[keen shore]

The theme of death Dawn keeps is that they crumble into dust whenever you eat anything spicy or sour near them /j

[fickle wing]

playing 100 gecs in isle and making that geezer crumble

[keen shore]

Like… bird who normally cleans up remains associated with someone helping people pass into the next life, Man, I live for positive/cool depictions of vultures and this counts so hard

[frigid tinsel]

You can also find this mural projected around the water that circles the Office portal in the Vault

[keen shore]

Easily one of my favorite ways Megabird has ever been depicted

[slate saffron]

Does the funky daleth elder man of dawn suffer from arthritis? & if so does that mean the elders have bones?

[rigid mural]

Air burials

[keen shore]

She does but she doesn’t have bones

[fickle wing]

boneless elder

[slate saffron]

Ah, I see. Magical arthritis then

[keen shore]

YESSS YOU GET IT… the gravestones kinda prove that wasn’t a thing in Sky but MAN…

[rigid mural]

Gravestones could be just memorials to leave offerings to

[snow cosmos]

tbf, the gravestones don't have to mark where the bodies lie
they could be monuments, or waypoints for the spirits to find their way back when we call on them

[past canyon]

This one?
Doesn't look that similar to the concept art I found. At least the resemblance is not as great as the one in forest

[frigid tinsel]

Arthritis is just bones rubbing on bones and bones are made of calcium and calcium is a rock and there’s a Zhao concept that says the Elders’ bodies are made of jade & ash which are types of rocks so arguably Dawn has arthritis because their rocks are rubbing on rocks.

[keen shore]

OHHHH GOOD POINT, I can totally see Sky burials in Isle at least, although less so forest and the realms after… wondering if it’s another tradition that slowly got altered for convenience

[keen shore]

Folllowing this argument does this mean skykids can also have arthritis depending on how rocky their shell is

[past canyon]

Oh yeah, that's super beautiful and the strongest proof for megabird I guess, and also alef/resh

[tepid veldt]

no one is safe

[slate saffron]

It could also be a case by case basis tied more directly to the profession of whatever ancestor died. I can imagine that the ones from the season of flight, whose livelihoods almost entirely revolved around the skies, would absolutely have some sort of air burial! ideally in a flying boat set on fire

[keen shore]

Hold on I might have misremembered it and it’s their animal form instead (like how rain was a lynx they were… an antlered thing) let me think

[earnest briar]

I am uncultured what is a sky burial? I’ve always thought of it as like…chucking the body out of an airplane and letting it go the way of small meteorites that fall into the atmosphere.

[keen shore]

You leave the body out on a high place and exposed to the elements, letting it decompose naturally

[frigid tinsel]

Forest Elder had various forms during concept development but their lynx fursona remained for a long time

[keen shore]

Like this post if you believe that Rain still has a lynx fursona that they’re trying to hide from us

[tepid veldt]

i find it cool to see little bits of old concept art are still in the game today

[past canyon]

I love how they kept the identical mask of the fursona

[fickle wing]

the air burial mention is reminding me of this bit from wings of fire where skywings like. Wrap their dead up in cloth n offer em up to the sky for a few days to let their spirit fly free into the skies n then burn the body

[keen shore]

OMG WINGS OF FIRE, KRII I LOVE YOU
#mudwingsbesttribe

[fickle wing]

TRUE TRUE TRUE FACTS

[slate saffron]

What's a wings of fire and does it have phoenixs?

[fickle wing]

love mudwings so so much esp when ppl interpret them as like. Gators sorta it’s just <3
nightwings also rlly swag lowkey i take inspo from clearsight when thinking abt how the whole oracle thing w vault elder works

like the whole concept of having the ability 2 see the future but not like. The exact path
there’s several diff possibilities n timelines there that could b followed depending on what goes on the idea just makes me brain go feral

[keen shore]

GATOR MUDWINGS ARE SO GOOD,
nightwing lore is awesome and taking inspiration from the foresight powers makes a lot of sense (although I haven’t heard of that in relation to vault). I love the idea of so many bright futures just gradually disappearing into ones that only led to destruction as the disaster came closer and closer.

Omg imagine skykids flashing their inner lights to communicate with each other underwater like how SeaWings use Aquatic

[fickle wing]

oh my god ur brain

[keen shore]

A fantasy book series about several tribes of dragons!

[tepid veldt]

i think someone’s text wall got bonked
either that or my discord is not having a good time

[keen shore]

Confession, some of my headcanons about how isles culture works come from MudWing lore especially the part about them living together with their siblings

[fickle wing]

you’ve heard of skywings now get ready for skycotlwings

[keen shore]

Oh my actual god

This is my skykid oc Scarlet, they lost half their face to a shard and love committing crimes

[fickle wing]

realizing my awful horrible mistake of thinking of wings of fire n sky at the same time cause now my 1 braincell is trying to piece together an au

[keen shore]

F. Firescale skykids. Smoke and flame coming out cracks in their shell, everything they touch turning to ash

[fickle wing]

I ACTUALLY HAVE A SKY OC SORTA LIKE THAT N TOOK INSPO FROM FIRESCALES

[frigid tinsel]

Garnet

[fickle wing]

hold on my brain is literally abt to combust like 💥

[snow cosmos]

imagine a power diamond or darkstone gem

[keen shore]

Isn’t there a skywing named garnet

[frigid tinsel]

My ideas on skykids physiology takes a lot from the Gems from Steven Universe

[snow cosmos]

i love that actually

[fickle wing]

yes

[slate saffron]

Sky kids are space lesbians confirmed

[rigid mural]

Crystal gem

[keen shore]

They’re the same character as the garnet Alssdair is talking about

[copper saffron]

oh? can you share? i want to know your take on that.

[rotund spindle]

I’ve just visited the elders room oob, and I am so curious about the murals in the room. What do you guys think the prairie elder is doing here? Are those skykids in front of the elder?

[frigid tinsel]

well I have my working theory on a composition of a skykid, really a list of what they're made of:
–clothing, hair, masks & other cosmetics made of light.
–a humanoid physical shell made of some magic-induced earthen material (i.e. clay, stone, ash, charcoal, meteorite) that has a hole in the chest and eyes.
–the hollow shell is full of light, such as winged light and neutral light.
–their cape, a manifestation of winged light.
–their flame, manifesting as the light in the hole in their chest and held outside their bodies via a red candle.
–their soul, appearing as a blue sparkle.

particularly their cosmetics being made of light is a callback to how Gems can alter their appearance freely since they are projections of light from their gem. both skykids and Gems change how they look via light manipulation. however since skykid shells are not made of light, they can't easily change their body shape, much like how Gems cannot change their physical gem core.

there's a way I've been thinking of my two OCs – Hikemasu & Kiset – who are in a sort of fusion but they do differ since skykid cores are also made of light. I recommend reading the whole conversation for further context but I would start here: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[past canyon]

My first guess is that they're trapping butterflies in the pots.

We see in some spirit's memory that they used to catch light from birds (butterflies?) and put it into these jars

And across the realms we find some sealed pots that after lighting them up release a bunch of butterflies

[keen shore]

Hi! So the general consensus is that these murals are showing elders teaching ancestors stuff in their realms. We know this was a thing bc flight guide was canonically prairie’s apprentice. The people in front of the elders are ancestors that are learning from them. Prairie in this mural might be teaching ancestors how to turn light that was placed inside pots into butterflies; they do this in their cutscene & we can see an ancestor do it in the switch trailer.

For Wasteland and Valley, this pattern is slightly changed but still very similar — the first of whom is leading ancestors into battle and the second of who is being spectated by them. However, they kinda ring around the same general idea, so close enough.

Hope this helps :]

[keen shore]

Skykid fusion my beloved, I love the soup and I am so glad you like it too

Insert joke about not being able to give Rain soup the food but I can get close enough by finding and ascending tearful light miner

[past canyon]

What is meant by neutral light?

[frigid tinsel]

light that doesn't have any magical properties to it, including but is not limited to sunlight, candlelight, and maybe those yellow light orbs we collect for daily quests sometimes tho the latter is debatable

[rotund spindle]

thankyou so much you two @/fragments#3794

I’m interested in the flight guide being canonically prairie’s elder apprentice? what led to such theory?

[sharp lichen]

it was said in a news post

[frigid tinsel]

it's not a theory, it's straight up canon. it was confirmed on TGC's social media for Flight guide's character card before the Season of Flight. you can prob find the post with it in #news

[rotund spindle]

ah I see! thankyou for the information

[frigid tinsel]

here it is: #news message

[past canyon]

Turning light into butterflies is a way nicer theory than another one I read somewhere else (reddit?) according to which power diamonds are crushed light creatures

[frigid tinsel]

both may be true. I don't have time to elaborate in depth but

1. we see in Prairie Elder's cutscene that they use our light to make butterflies and even more butterflies emerge from the pots in their temple and
2. it's thought that power diamonds are made by draining light creatures of their light and putting it to refined darkstone.

[copper saffron]

sky lore is spaghetti but also can be kinda dark
i love it

[past canyon]

Sky gameplay: 😊😇❤️🦋🐠🕊️
Sky lore: 🔷💀😣☠️💥⚔️🛡️

[copper saffron]

literally

[round parrot]

I have a lil theory with this lil guy

We have NEVER seen a Jellyfish that isn't a jelly-like skin. Now, while it is possible for the spirit mantas to either be spirits of mantas or memories of them, what if it was the same for Jellyfishes? My theory, is that Jellyfishes in the Sky world are extinct, only leaving memories behind. What do you guys think? (made a mistake with the first sentence 💀)

[copper saffron]

i think the opposite, this little shoulder buddy is a statue or replica of a jellyfish.

[round parrot]

Even if that is the case, how did the one who created the statue/replica know the image of a Jellyfish without its transparent body? (Not saying I disagree, that is a good point!)

[copper saffron]

how would you make a transparent statue? i think it's more of an artistic representation.

[round parrot]

I mean, I would understand if it's painted blue, but why white specifically? ||Am I overthinking over an iap that I wanna buy? Yes||

[copper saffron]

no dont worry i overthink too
well, i suppose the closest to clear would be white
it's also the color of other light creatures

[turbid ridge]

Has everyone here already seen this YouTube video ? It reveals so much about lore! I had no idea there was so much reasoning behind why CRABS were created.. and elders have deep stories and backgrounds ! https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wQP9spsb_IQ

[copper saffron]

i think lorechat would enjoy this

[turbid ridge]

Yes exactly !!!!!!!!

[untold notch]

sorry I Cannot read that

[copper saffron]

me neither. someone go see if they can get a better photo

[turbid ridge]

That’s what I was wondering about !!!!!!!!!!! How did they incorporate the 16 personalities into the game ???????? She talks about it so generically

It says
ENFP-champion
INFP-writer ?
INTP-architect
ESFP-author
ISFP-artist
ISTP-engineer
ESTP-swashbuckler?
ESFJ-nurturer?
ISFJ-defender
ISTJ-
ESTJ-executive
ENFJ-teacher
INFJ-shaman
INTJ-wizard
ENTJ-king

[copper saffron]

estp could be swashbuckler

intp - architect?

isfj - defender?

istj is the only one i cant really tell
starts with A tho

[rapid arrow]

I like the fact that INFP is writer
Cause I’m an INFP

[turbid ridge]

It’s also called “inspector” “logisticien”

[turbid ridge]

And a writer??😆

[turbid ridge]

She also wrote for my fav game shadow of the colossus 😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍

[copper saffron]

defender is literally defender lmao
comparing to the 16 personalities website
and architect is actually moved around

[turbid ridge]

Yes.. I think they adapted and changed them to match the game more somehow

[untold notch]

where can I find concept art hairs

[copper saffron]

istj will be a mystery

[turbid ridge]

TGc will release a book of their concept art soon 😆

[copper saffron]

my brain wants to say that it's "impostor" but

[turbid ridge]

Amposter?🤔

[copper saffron]

inquisitor?

[lethal stump]

ah yes, thats been looked at. its part of a larger screenshot of a whiteboard featuring some concepts for the elders. i think i had a picture of the full screenshot but its buried in my photos

[turbid ridge]

here it is

[lethal stump]

you can see the ones underlined, some can be connected to some of the elders (i.e., Teacher (ENFJ) is , King (ENTJ) is The King, and Fighter (ISTP) is )

[copper saffron]

istp seems to be engineer to me but

[lethal stump]

i enjoy that INTJ looks like someone wrote WIZZARD in all caps

[turbid ridge]

INTJs are wizards cuz of their introverted intuition

[untold notch]

weezard

[turbid ridge]

yeah i wrote that !

I didn't realize the elders were anti heros

[lethal stump]

youll often find in these concept screenshots quite a few mispellings and typos. some of those are because some folks working on the concepts for sky have english as a second language and also spelling is useless when making first drafts. ive gone through whats probably several gigs of concepts at this point and the hand written ones have lotsa typos

[copper saffron]

that seemed to be the vibe lorechat got actually.

[turbid ridge]

Well the chat was right ! Can watch from here..

https://youtu.be/wQP9spsb_IQ?t=1080

[lethal stump]

yeah, elders never seemed to be the good guys. in some early iterations they were actually beings the skykids had to fight off. the most well known example is early ...she was a sort of trickster who would purposefully lead you off the main path in Forest and try and get you lost in the woods

[turbid ridge]

Playing the game through I felt like they were well-meaning but just made mistakes or were weaker than the darkness so they lost the battle but had good intentions so this is a surprise to me

[lethal stump]

it changed a lot, but the generally agreed upon idea now is that they were hubristic (power hungry) and for that reason the kingdom fell

[copper saffron]

i want to read a skyfic where a skykid commits violence now

[turbid ridge]

Very accurate to reality

[lethal stump]

you can commit violence today by harassing crabs :D

[rapid arrow]

Yes

[lethal stump]

yeah, thats one of the inspiring factors. similar to Journey and Flower, Sky was inspired partly by modern ecological and political strife. you can see this in concepts where Golden Wasteland used to have metal fences topped with barb wire and was more clearly inspired by the No Mans Land of WW1

[copper saffron]

there were some concept art slides that literally had those pictures as reference

[lethal stump]

yeah !

[turbid ridge]

I want aviary 😭

[lethal stump]

no fences but there was barbed wire, you can see how dark the game was intended to be at first

[rapid arrow]

I too want the Aviary back, it even shows up in the Eden door

I imagine it was a big trade centre for the spirits

[turbid ridge]

Ooooo woooow

[lethal stump]

personally i love the game that sky was originally supposed to be. im glad that with seasons like Prophecy and Shattering, we're getting some of those darker lore concepts

[turbid ridge]

That’s so dark and terrifying

[lethal stump]

yeah, but it really has a good atmosphere. personally i prefer it to current wasteland

[turbid ridge]

Yeah you are right, a lot of concept art has more character and emotion than the final product

[lethal stump]

whiiich is why we so often turn to it for lore

[rapid arrow]

You might have to zoom in to the top of door

[copper saffron]

imagine those giant krill, like the ones from the shard memory, patrolling this wasteland
i just noticed the skid/spirit hiding under the plank aaaaaaa

[turbid ridge]

I thought that was Aurora, that’s aviary?

[lethal stump]

imo the top middle of the door is the King

[turbid ridge]

Yeah I forgot about all the details. Aurora has a dress and girly hair. This one in eden is different

[copper saffron]

what are yall thoughts on possible aurora lore?

[lethal stump]

im not big on lore from things outside of sky...but i think whatever aurora brings to the table will be about Megabird, since aurora sings the ending song where Megabird is revealed

[rapid arrow]

It can also be the aviary as well but I can see how it’s the the king as well

[copper saffron]

i dont think it'll be too similar to TLP, rather it'll be like it's own sky season just using some of her music. i do think it will have tons of lore tho, i sure hope so.

[turbid ridge]

Omgomgomgomg can we talk about beta in here

[copper saffron]

that aviary image... we can see the layout of the sky world

[rapid arrow]

Sadly we can’t talk about beta here but….
just speaking of the trailer that was posted the words that Aurora says sound either like “My Kingdom/Queendom come” and “My rain don’t fall”

[lethal stump]

i hope its not like TLP, i didnt like that season

[turbid ridge]

I loved tlp 😭 why didn’t you like it

[rapid arrow]

That’s why I love the idea of the Aviary it’s sorta a better way to explain the mapping of sky (and it has a better name than Homespace IMO) and it also opens up for more opportunities like realm trading

[copper saffron]

i would have loved it too, but unfortunately we got limited by hardware

[rapid arrow]

And that is why, you write it into fanfiction like me!

[copper saffron]

MOOD
i have a fanfic where a skykid learns to use Light for probably violence and starts with them ending up in another world like "wait this isnt homespace"
yes i isekai'd a skykid

it's actually a crossover fic so that was inevitable

[rapid arrow]

Pfft I also isekai’d my sky kid but into dnd she’s doing great

[lethal stump]

i just dont like crossovers, takes me out of the experience.

[turbid ridge]

Ohhh I hear ya

[copper saffron]

my skykid is in destiny now lmao

[outer hare]

Bobbit :>

[rigid mural]

Fun fact, the Wind Paths are partially based off the Aviary ! Which is really cool imo since both have gates to the other realms so in a way, Aviary went from main hub to (being more) canon in the kingdom !

[rigid mural]

Makes me think of how the Jelly Whisperer (and Ancient Light) jelly hair isn't transparent either.

[slate saffron]

bricky lore predictions

[rigid mural]

My friends and I thought it would hint at Elders, since there were 6 falling stars in the Performance mural. Perhaps it's going to be like TLP where each realm gets represented ?

[fallen night]

Very interesting!

[lethal stump]

i hope so. admittedly, i liked TLP for the vague references to the elders and actual sky lore. if we could get a season with similar ideas but not a crossover that would be great, plus aurora's amazing voice

[quietly adds slouching soldier to Reasons I HC Ayin As An Alcoholic list]

[lofty pagoda]

i think it's "my queendom come" (if we're talking about the same trailer) bc i recognise the refrain from her song queendom (which i am OBSSESSED WITH haha)

[lethal stump]

joke theory: aurora season reveals the "king" was a girl all along

[compact shale]

Half-joke theory: Some people (namely everyone in Performance) unironically worship Aurora

[copper saffron]

this is literally one of my theories lmao
what if aurora was king??

[lethal stump]

i mean i hope they dont turn an original character into an out-of-universe celebrity but i do think it would be interesting if the king was, perhaps, based on her. or maybe even voice acted by her
voice acting in sky when tgc

[nimble ingot]

Hi Bricky, long time no see on the lorechat.

[lethal stump]

hiiii. im sick with covid and bored to tears and decided why not hit up my old pals in lore chat lol

how have things been ?

[compact shale]

*eyes private ramble about Sky religions

[copper saffron]

the what
please share i want this info

[nimble ingot]

Sky lore, or more like the excitement about any lore in Sky has finally gotten to the point that I would lose sleep over it.
(Looking up the stages of addiction /j)

[lethal stump]

ohhhh youre at thaaaaat stage
just indulge. indulge. indulge. ur fine. no need to eat or sleep. sky lore is all you need. sky lore is all you ever need.

[compact shale]

Birdism is what I call the religion of worshipping Megabird. Believers value pilgrimage, obedience to the cycle, and reverence towards Megabird and Their creations of light. Believers may also worship the Elders as lower entities.

Reshism involves worshipping King Resh. Believers value efficiency, progress, and giving back what people have given to you.

Elderism is worshipping elder(s) as the highest deity. Values depend on the elder.

Now, here is the fourth religion. Aurorism. For some reason I have the most headcanons about this one.

Aurorists believe in the Aurora Borealis, and some even worship a personification of it as a god.

Music is fundamental to Aurorism, and music is the way for Aurorists to offer and pray to the Aurora.

The Harmony Hall mural is a shrine to the Aurora, and by standing or sitting in front of it and playing music, you are making an offering to the Aurora.

All of the Performance spirits are Aurorists, but there are probably more out there.

It is said that making an offering to the Aurora allows you to see and hear things others can't. Visions of a sky beyond what non-believers can see. The supposed figure of the Aurora herself, though no one knows exactly who, what, or why it exists.

Music is the Aurora's language, and it cannot be dissected logically, only resonated by the hearts of believers.

Some believers interpret Aurora as another form/perspective/voice of Megabird based on what they experience.

[copper saffron]

hmmmm interesting

[lethal stump]

whenever i see the word aurora borealis all i can think of is the lemon demon song
but interesting theory ! i like the unique touch of a music heavy religion considering how important music is in game

my approach to religion in sky is a lil different, but i have some similarities. its inspired largely by how the greek pantheon worked. everyone accepts the existence of each god, but they worship only one or two, and its common for god-groupies to have different perspectives on other gods in the pantheon than that god's groupies (theres an actual word for this but its banned here so i say groupie). megabird worshippers view her as the god above all gods (except my headcanon of the god of darkness but thats just me worldbuilding lol), a la christianity. religion was v decentralized until resh became king and decided to use religions to his advantage, centralizing them and trying to merge all the god-groupies together to prevent splitting

[copper saffron]

god of darkness? 👀

[lethal stump]

yeye, i made a parallel to Megabird called Megapod. hes based on a deepsea isopod, and he rules the water (Abyss) while megabird rules the sky (Horizon)

[nimble ingot]

Ah, that reminds me, there is another name for Megabird.
Bird of Light

[copper saffron]

ooooo! Darkness from the Deep.
my destiny brain is loving this... is he a worm by any chance? a worm like being?

[lethal stump]

hes an isopod

[nimble ingot]

he?

[copper saffron]

yeah if megabird is a she, then the darkness would be a he

[nimble ingot]

I never knew a deity of light was required to have a gender.

[slate saffron]

Assigned deity at birth

[lethal stump]

thats just what i decided to pick, you dont have to go with male if you dont want lol. my versions of megabird and megapod are female and male respectively

[copper saffron]

ik lmao. but i could see it being like, a plated one. like this....
because these are worm gods born from the Darkness
destiny has too many similarities with sky please stop me

[nimble ingot]

Suppose so?
"Sky lore is open to interpretation"

[compact shale]

...until Sky shuts down and the devs release all the lore files

[nimble ingot]

Even then, the lore would still recognise and acknowledge fanon.
And with fanon, there in lies the infinite interpretations of the lore.

à la, Krill being canonically called Dark Dragons.

[rigid mural]

I think slouching soldier is the one associated with wasteland; star collector is the prairie one.

[lethal stump]

imo star collector is forest

[rigid mural]

Up to you. There was a tweet with this concept, hence my input.

[lethal stump]

oh, i havent seen that

[nimble ingot]

gloating narcissist - Valley of Triumph
stretching lamplighter - Hidden Forest
star collector - Daylight Prairie
beckoning ruler - Isle of Dawn
sneezing geographer - Vault of Knowledge
slouching soldier - Golden Wasteland

[rigid mural]

Interesting that the Ruler sits on a throne that looks like the Prophecy elemental pillar on this concept.

[dusty leaf]

Hey euh may i know what the crossovers is? Like can i read it? Im a sucker for crossovers. If you want to ofcourse

[nimble ingot]

Indeed, though it would have been a very cool easter egg

[copper saffron]

Destiny. the story is still a wip but i can explain the basics. it'll hopefully be written in a way that u can read with only a tiny bit of prior knowledge of it

[dusty leaf]

Yes plzzz

[copper saffron]

should i explain it here or would you rather i dm u?

[dusty leaf]

Dm would be
the best i think

[rigid mural]

Been sitting on this for some time, but I like to think the Light is an integral part of ancestors life cycle beyond just where they die.

I like to think every creature of light, including young ancestors, are born the same way: light falling from the sky.
Like, ancestors would ascend through the light and stay among the stars as a spirit with their knowledge and wisdom acquired in life, while their now blank soul/vessel falls back down in the kingdom to go through another life.

It goes well with my lanternfolk theory where ancestors work like lamps you can fill and empty of light; they're born blank and ignorant, but as they age they gain experience in the form of light that they will continue to amass until they reach old age and decide to ascend and leave that light among the stars before starting anew.

I like the idea because it's kind of driven by what motivates humans to seek adventures and exploration so much: because of the novelty; we may feel nostalgia for simpler times as a small child because we were small in a big world to explore. Or, closer to home, vets fondly remembering their time as a moth and wishing they took their time exploring.
Maybe it's the same thing motivating an ancestor to ascend and leave a full life behind to start anew.

This could also go well with my idea that darkness isn't evil, but a refusal to change. It's not inherently harmful, but in excess it can be.
Maybe ancestors went to the Light less and less because leaving your life behind and losing everything became scary in a world where ressources were starting to become scarce...

[rapid arrow]

Oh!! I haven’t heard it before! Thank you

Update I am listening to it rn…
I love it

[lofty rover]

I was summoned

[copper saffron]

when the stars fell, were they ancestors or the first skykids?

what's the theory on what that meant?

[slate saffron]

The Salem requires thee.

[rigid mural]

Depends which ones ? We know the elders are fallen stars but otherwise we don't have much to go off of besides the second Performance quest that showdd the ancestors told stories of light creatures and children coming from fallen stars.

[copper saffron]

the ones shown in the opening cutscene and the switch trailer
unless they're different ones?

[keen shore]

I keep looking at this image and absolutely losing it. The image of roundyin labeled DRUNK in all caps is knocking me flat. Thank you for showing this image to us I haven’t seen the whole one before

[keen shore]

HELLO heard about you and asked! I am Salem, we are both cats

[sharp lichen]

Hello fellow fossil, do you remember me?

[rigid mural]

The opening cutscene ones are very likely elders; old intro straight up showed the realm constellations and there are 7 of them (elders + the king) !

Who the Switch trailer ones are is unclear tho.

[copper saffron]

"wake up dad"
"DRUNK"

[keen shore]

Dusk just labeled “DEPRESS” like man, I guess some things never change

I know this isn’t right but Dawn’s caption looks like it says Owned and it’s killing me

[copper saffron]

he really does look like a depressed cube it's hilarious
it's one of those pictures i think that gets funnier the more you look

[slim plume]

Rain's says "SEDUCE" 😭✋

[copper saffron]

AYO WOT TGC

[keen shore]

Yeah um. In early concepts they were supposed to seduce us into following them into danger. Apparently it’s supposed to mean like how Hansel and Gretel got seduced into the witch’s house or something but it catches everyone off guard at first.

Like this post if you would immediately follow both concept and current Rain into danger without thinking twice

[slim plume]

They could tell me to go to Eden irl and I'd still be like "I VOLUNTEER AS TRIBUTE-"

[compact shale]

and don't forget

D E P R E S S

[copper saffron]

someone make a high quality version of that please

[soft timber]

appears and holds Petite

[lofty rover]

O a fellow mrower

[torn eagle]

(Ping Off) tbh I think Beckoning Ruler could represent Eden, both characters are kings, they both reside in a castle floating above the skies

I think this is another occasion where Isle Elder is excluded (the other being Isle Elder excluded from the Eden Gate and imo in Enchantment lights as well)

[hushed steeple]

What if, hear me out, pre prince, Isle Elder was the King of Sky and was dethroned by the much younger darkstone lover prince!

[snow cosmos]

(ping off) my thought here is that what "well-meaning" is, is relative. industrialization is well-meaning in that it seeks to improve humanity/society's capability to make use of its environment, to make life better/easier for the people it serves. but the downside is the toll it takes on the environment, which can lead to later generations seeing the well-intentioned goal as vastly negative because of its unintended side effects.

in a real world example: we take huge, rightful issue with carbon emission as it is on earth today, but we do have to acknowledge that if we had never industrialized, humanity would never have made the vast leaps it has in the last hundred or so years. does this make carbon emission okay? of course not, but it also doesn't mean that industrialization is an ultimate evil with no good intentions, yknow?

[torn eagle]

Reminds me that sky incorporates real life issues regarding Industrialization, and Science over Religion

[snow cosmos]

tl;dr, i think the elders meant well in their attempts to improve life for their people, but that came at the expense of creatures of light and the environment

also good morning i'm still reading through what i missed

[slim plume]

I know that feeling, good luck Birdlem!

[frigid tinsel]

Just finished reading 150+ messages and I think I’d rather go back to sleep

[hushed steeple]

My theory is that Isle Elder was part of a more conservative, Light worshipping society who steched up from Isle to Forest, being populated, nomads with basic technology. Back then, there would only be three Elders, Prairie, Forest, and Isle. When the king cane along, he sought to revolutionize the world and create a better world for the Ancestors, or even his own selfish Quest to reach Eden.

Either way, he discovered Darkstone and it began being produced in Forest, winning that Elder's support, Prairie was compelled to help (how i have no idea). These Two Elders Became the Vault and Wasteland Elder, soon enough the Prince's operation would need more help. He then created the Trials to help ancestors gain 'powers' culminating with four of them gaining the title of Elder a new Prairie and Forest Elder and the Valley Twins.

Then he launched a mutiny against Isle, the previous King, Elder of Elders as I call him, resulting him in ending up blind. Vault was given their tower to experiment with darkstone, and Wasteland was tasked to protect Forest the most Trusted of his Elders.

Isle blind and maimed sought to keep the old nomadic tradition, hence Flight Guide became their apprentice, and managed to win Prairie's sympathy. Vault then went to the Forest and saw her former home destroyed. (as wee see in the Apolegetic Lumberjack memory), and began experimenting with memory crystals to bring back the manta and wax to create lightseeker trees.

Wasteland saw the new prairie and foundhimself in a moral dilemma, the Twins however only cared for their people and sought to keep them distracted with the races, skating competitions, ect.

What do you guys think?

Also on a seperate note, I know where the Elder Lights are! Red was used in the turrets, yellow became the butterflies, cyan created the Valley Floating Isles, and Blue became the rain according to Mural G2

[snow cosmos]

(ping off, finally done reading through the backlog)
could this imply that skykids are post-ascension spirits, emptied of their light and memory and born anew?

[keen shore]

Brrrp brrrp meow wrow! So true.

[keen shore]

Correction! Orange made the turrets; the red light isn’t shown in the prophecy murals. Yellow elemental light isn’t a thing, it’s just basic light; that’s green light. I get the confusion though as the colors can be super hard to distinguish with how brightly they glow.

[keen shore]

Cant tell if I’m overthinking but gloat also has something that looks a lot like cyan/blue light (I think it’s the first and it’s just dulled to fit the color pallete but it could be either)

[keen shore]

I REALLY LIKE THIS IDEA AND IT MAKES SENSE, wanting to be reborn so you experience everything again for the first time, or maybe have a chance at a better and happier life…

It’s super interesting to see your interpretation as to the logic behind darkness (metaphor for resistance to change) vs mine (metaphor for death) and I wonder if both can be true. Like a soul is only truly “dead” if it stops flowing through the cycle of life and stays in orbit or is petrified, and that’s how my idea ties in.

[hushed steeple]

Sorry!

[keen shore]

No, don’t worry about it! It confused me at first, the way they did the glows made the colors look exactly like the ones you thought they were. I think I also had to edit G2 a bit so that the mural itself was more visible which made it worse. I got confused the same way too

[rigid mural]

What is death but the end of a cycle ?

[frigid tinsel]

I suppose the difference would be if death is considered a stopgap, the death of the cycle itself, or merely a step in the cycle with a part continuing after death

[regal forge]

Does lore chat have theories on why scaredy and chuckling cadet were late to the party?
I vote they were distracting their respective parental guidance so they won’t find the cool new hideout at grandmas table

[keen shore]

EXACTLY, especially when spirits exist in this world, so death of the physical body isn’t really death as we think of it — they could still interact and be with living people. Depending on if they retained any memories from their previous life (I think your implication is that they don’t but it’s still worth mentioning) they’d also work similarly to skykids, where death as humans experience it isn’t really a thing that they’d comprehend.

I wonder how terrifying it must have been for them if that idea is true, and the disaster is when they started dying the human way — eg. No longer reachable, can no longer interact with the living, just disappeared — when spirits began to petrify

[keen shore]

Scaredy cadet was still stuck above the village theater and chuckle was trying to help get them down

[regal forge]

Congrats to scaredy for making it out-
Though I bet chuckling put them up there

[keen shore]

Given that scaredy cadet has a similar mask to a known reality breaker and chaos causer I think I have a theory on how this situation may have actually been caused

[regal forge]

Oh?? Which one 👀
Wait they’re standing at the sapling nevermind

I support that theory and now I wonder if scaredy put themselves up there or if crab whisperer put them there for bad behavior

[lofty rover]

nods in kitty

[rigid mural]

I like to think they started ascending less and less simply because starting over would mean facing the struggles all over again. Loss of hope another life could be better than what they previously had.

Kinda like how some folks say they didn't ask to be born, life is no longer seen as something to be experienced, but as a chore.

[lofty rover]

Wait wasn't ascending the whole thing that they wont be reborn-

[keen shore]

YEAH THAT MAKES SENSE, especially with how we know life was getting worse and worse as time went on, as darkness became more and more prevalent in the world. I wonder if some of the spirits we meet chose to be reborn specifically to help others in these horrible times and knew what they were getting into, which was most likely petrification and (from their perspective) vanishing forever.

[regal forge]

Do you think spirits, both relive-able ones and ones at events, are aware of skids?
The event ones of course seem to be; like the performance crew in the shop and the seasonal quests
But can they be totally aware of the situation..? Aware they’re dead/passed on?
What about spirits in eden?

[keen shore]

I vote yes! Especially with how guides seem to ask for our help. I also headcanon some spirits’ emotes are them being grateful for us reliving them vs full on memories, like admiring actor blowkissing at us or respectful pianist as well

[snow cosmos]

i personally think that before and while we're reliving their memories, they're so wrapped up in the moment they don't perceive us, but once that's happened, they do? like at the end of the memory, when we see them ascend at the temples, and when we call on them again through the constellations or markers in social spaces

[keen shore]

At least some of them are aware of the situation, there’s no way any spirit who constantly ascends/descends like granny or the lightseekers thinks this is completely normal behavior for an alive person. The latter group also definitely perceives us as well as assembly bc they interact/ed with us a lot during events

[regal forge]

I like to think spirit memories are spirits trapped in a loop of either their final moments or a ‘core memory’ of sorts.
So they aren’t aware of us until we free them from the tormenting loop
Kind of like that little rumor of “your life flashes before your eyes” etc. etc.

They seem oddly happy about us regardless of the fact they’re dead. Maybe most of them see us as the new generation in a way?
(As opposed to resentment or grief for what happened)
I just question the assembly scouts since they’re so young.
Season of dreams from what I remember never seemed to aware of us either though, besides the guide

[keen shore]

Yeah! Like they become aware of the situation after we burn away their shell and that’s when they finally register what’s going on.
I wonder if that relates back to @rigid mural‘s idea about darkness being lack of change, because they’re covered in darkness & stuck in the same loops of memories over and over again

[regal forge]

Ah. Maybe it’s a grief of what they’ve lost and were losing in each memory.
When we release them they can let go of their fears and terror about it and realize we’ll make things ok
Kind of like a story I heard where someone talked to the devil and he said everyone in hell could get out if they could just forgive themselves for what they did wrong

[keen shore]

Like quite literally being stuck in the past. Especially for some spirits (looking at you light miner) where there’s no way the memory isn’t both horribly traumatic and had a huge effect on them as people

[keen shore]

Oh wow… like forcing themselves to see it in case they forgot. I wonder if some spirits would be angry we released them, like confident sightseer, whose memory is super happy — they could pretend it’s all their life is and nothing bad ever happened. I wonder how long it’s been since they’ve seen their kid.

[regal forge]

Not saying all the spirits did something wrong
Just that we’re reassuring them it’s ok to let go now and release everything they still love to move on and ascend

[snow cosmos]

pulls a line from my fic

“Now let it go,” [Lamed] instructs, her voice calm and level. She must see my uncertainty, because she nods slightly and looks to the sky. “It will be alright, child. The things you let go of in this life will return to you in the next.”

[regal forge]

The happy spirits are similar in that way where they remember how FUN and HAPPY it was to be alive. We’re letting them know that the good needs to be released just as much as the bad so they can move on from the memory loop

Jokes on the spirits they can’t yell at me to put that crab back down—

Also I have a Photo of the wall chibis- I found them-

[raw crypt]

memories are described as lost memories, I see it as like they aren’t really whole and here until something crucial about them is returned to them

[frigid tinsel]

I like to think spirits risk losing their light and, since light is encoded with memories, they start becoming forgetful. The spirit memories we relive are the last of their light they shed before coming petrified, wandering in an area they were in while alive, fruitlessly trying to figure out what they were doing there, why they had deja vu, before darkness overwehelmed them.

There also seems to be a soul core of some sort we burn to trigger spirit memories. Idk what to make of it as rn my conception of the spirit husk is the actual spirit petrified in darkness and we gather spirit memories to help the spirits we free remember. But I imagine that this soul core is important. It at least triggers spirit memories, unveiling the light the spirit lost and ultimately leading us to their petrified form.

So I think the spirits aren’t necessarily stuck in a loop, their conscious is in limbo like the one we go to after dying cos they’re petrified in darkness and I think limbo is what you see when encased by darkness, as within the leviathan.

[regal forge]

Ok so new theory that crab Walker/whisperer and other spirits around crabs were crab rehabilitaters because you can free the ones at campfire now and they love you for it-
Maybe they actually got along with crabs because they’d rescue them from dark dragons, polluted water, etc.

[snow cosmos]

i might be wrong (only relived this memory once or twice) but isn't what pleaful parent is begging not to go, also a crab?

[regal forge]

Yes
I bet they freed the crabs too
But who’s eating them??
is pleaful parent begging their food to not run away?!

[earnest briar]

Isn’t there like a thing where the hostile crabs can infect the friendly crabs at the Graveyard bonfire if they touch the friendly crabs? Or was that just a rumor/theory?

[regal forge]

I think a rumor. They were fine to me. Had little hearts above their head ;-;

[earnest briar]

Yep! I like to put them next to the fire so they can absorb the Light and the warmth from there and not wander into the path of the Krill who goes near there.

[keen shore]

YEAH THIS ALSO MAKES SENSE, headcanon that similar memoru loss caused by darkness happened to the elders and that’s why they have titles and not names. (You can interpret that title fact as meaning a bunch of things and I personally have two interpretations for it, both of which you know )

[rigid mural]

I NEVER SAW THIS ???
This is really interesting

[keen shore]

And become their friend

[earnest briar]

The way I explained it to my friend Riri (although there was a bit of issue since she’s Japanese and so words will be a little skewed) is that just like us, there are good crabs and bad crabs, and that we should be kind to the good crabs because they are just trying to live their lives.

[frigid tinsel]

Yea that’s not true. Neither passive nor aggressive crabs can be made to be one or the other.

[earnest briar]

Ah. It’s hard to tell what’s true and what’s rumor sometimes.

[keen shore]

Man I wish someone would find all the scattered random memories I lost to brain frog

[earnest briar]

Do you think the Crabs like onion rings?

[keen shore]

I MEANT TO SAY BRAIN FOG I’m keeping that because it’s funny

[snow cosmos]

brain frog eats your memories in your sleep

[bitter topaz]

I imagine crabs are like rock chickens... they'll eat relatively anything if it tastes good (maybe even their own kind.. )

[frigid tinsel]

I’ve noticed that aggressive crabs will have darkness flakes on them while passive crabs do not. So the dark crabs have what I call “darkness rabies” that make them hostile while passive crabs are simply not infected by darkness.

[earnest briar]

d'awwww, they're saying hello!

[earnest briar]

Maybe that's what I was thinking of?

[frigid tinsel]

Tbf the crabs had to have caught the darkness from somewhere, but given hostile crabs are usually found in/around dark water or in caves with dark plants, I think that’s where they caught it from

[snow cosmos]

on a semi-related note; how do we think they catch it? and for corrupted skids, how do we think that happens? just from being without light for too long, drinking dark water, eating dark plants?
am trying to figure out what happened to Lumi that ly now has a darkness plant growing from lyr face and think this may be relevant lmao

[rigid mural]

Hmmm we do see crabs get even worse from touching red shards, so maybe it comes from being submerged in darkness for too long ?

[frigid tinsel]

While light can push away darkness (ie our flames melting darkness plants), it does look that darkness can overwhelm light, latch onto light and paratize beings of light to grow. The light inside crabs may not be enough to avert the darkness they frequently wander in, like dark water

[slim plume]

It's also worth noting that those normal dark crabs still have enough light to maintain empathy, unlike the red shard crabs who don't help other dark crabs nearby if they're flipped over and seem to work uncoordinated, despite being in a group

[frigid tinsel]

As for corrupted skykids, that depends on your headcanon since it seems skykids cannot be corrupted in game. They can be overwhelmed by darkness, such as dying in Eden, but that is darkness taking over them and their light, not warping who they are like krill are corrupted light creatures.

My own take on darkness affecting skykids is that they can contract darkness sickness, like plants growing off them (see some Shattering cosmetics). They can recover from that or, if they don’t have strong enough internal light or there’s simply too much darkness, the infection can become chronic or kill them.

The only way to corrupt a skykid in my ficverse is for corrupted darkness to embed in their shell, which cannot be easily fought off by their flame or light. It warps their souls to start feeling and being guided by the forces of darkness, like hungering for light to recover what they’re being depleted of. The corrupted darkstone and the skykid enter a symbiotic relationship, corrupting the skykid.

[rigid mural]

I have a symbiosis idea too but it's much less about corruption and more about the skykid finding balance between light and dark. Light manipulation becomes a bit harder (although innate) but darkness becomes easier to use, hence some spells such as the krill shield summoning darkness to hide you.

[frigid tinsel]

Today on Alasdair uses the wrong word.
It’s more my corrupted skykids hunt down light in part cos the corrupted darkstone encodes in their minds to satiate an endless hunger for light and also if they don’t, the corrupted darkstone will eat their souls and kill them for good.

[snow cosmos]

i like both of those a lot! i think for Lumi i'm leaning toward, ly maybe got krilled while travelling in Wasteland and nobody found lym for. quite a while? and eventually someone did, and they were able to restore lyr light, but the damage done to lyr shell was permanent by that point

[frigid tinsel]

One of my corrupted skykids, Nanif, is eventually uncorrupted and, feeling disillusioned from light, starts trying to find a different way to see things rather than the black-and-white light vs. darkness/light good darkness bad view most skykids have. Tbf it is an obvious conclusion beings of light would come to since darkness hurts them, but Nanif challenges the moral weight that’s been applied to light and darkness, having existed within both. So eventually they find out that they can balance the two and find utility in darkness rather than banishing it outright.
ik I’ve talked about Nanif bere before but I need to go eat something.

[snow cosmos]

go fuel thyself!

[hushed steeple]

Also unrelated, but why does Lore chat dislike Matpat?

[frigid tinsel]

been spoken about here many times. my input:

We’ve talked about this — it would be a bad idea because it would dilute the lore theorists with fan babies attracted to the most edgy clickbait theory that MatPat monetizes, not to mention his plagerism and potentially stealing ideas from Sky lore theorists
and
Sometimes we here touch on the darker side this game, but it is with a respect and oftentimes gentle regard. MatPat’s genre of “dark”appeals to edgy teenagers who don’t have the perspective to look at the distraught and desolation appropriately.
and
Raider aptly described the clickbaity genre of MatPat's videos. MatPat would bring a perspective that is utterly antithetical to Sky's themes of unity, friendship, compassion, and recovery. it's like when a reddit atheist comes in here raving about Megabird being evil solely because Megabird is considered the god of Sky when that doesn't suit Sky at all.
and finally a word from Raider
Think of it.
Would we want to see videos with thumbnails of 'dead children', 'traumatised characters', 'haunting spirits of the past', 'evil elder', 'what is inside a krill', 'pollution' etc.?
And all of that with plug ins and shameless promotion galore.

[snow cosmos]

my friend and i are discussing the possibility of darkness plants spreading by spores, too - i had the thought that depending on a skid's shell durability they could be more or less susceptible to being infected. like, the spores land on a skid as they travel, but can only take root if the host loses their light completely, and then as their light is restored some of it is parasitized by the plant, and thinner shells make it easier to absorb that light

[untold notch]

also i think sometimes matpat is just straight up wrong about things

[hushed steeple]

Thanks!

[snow cosmos]

i do feel like it would be frustrating for us as well to see wild speculation that doesn't take into account the depth of thought we've put into our theorizing? that's just me though

[hushed steeple]

OOOH I had a theory abt that! lemme find the link

#lore-discussion-spoilers message, here it is!

Lemme know what you think!

[snow cosmos]

ooooooh juicy juicy theories

[slim plume]

As a last word of note, Matpat can make good theories imo but he doesn't put the effort he puts into those few games into other games covered on his channel, especially indie games like Subnautica and Hollow Knight to name a few

Anyhow, back to funky kids that emit light and bonk into things

[untold notch]

thinking about my ocs again

[keen shore]

Before I head off to do a reading for my myths class, am wondering, what kind of world-creation story do you think the people of sky would believe in? I have a critical case of must relate everything to my special interest disease and so I am going hmmm

[snow cosmos]

off the top of my head: the world is megabird's egg?

[keen shore]

OKAY THAT ONES SUPER GOOD. I LOVE IT.
(For clarification going into this conversation — birdlem gets me — I’m talking about what the people think happened not what actually happened, bc there’s no evidence for how that works so it’s super hard to actually guess)

[hushed steeple]

The world was created by the separation of Darkness and Megabird (light)

[snow cosmos]

oooh - in the beginning there was nothing, and from the nothing came something, and that something called itself light

and the light gave itself shape, and the shape it called Megabird

[hushed steeple]

No more like Dark and Light were intertwined, until they agreed to keep off each other's backs and Dark became the Material World and Megabird Orbit and beyond, second part yes that's what I tought

[snow cosmos]

ooooh, that's nifty too! i like both

i imagine different cultures or groups would have different creation myths, so both could exist!

[hushed steeple]

TRUE! I love this side of worldbuilding SOOO much!

Well Imma head ou!

[keen shore]

I admit I do like the egg idea both because it doesn’t require like conscious effort on anyones part to make the world (although none of them yet do) but also. The idea of bird god coming from an egg is very sweet and funny.

Although due to the nature of myths these can all be believed by separate people within the world, having tons of fun reading everyones so far. I can see Sol’s being believed earlier in the timeline and isle (if the whole darkness and light are supposed to be in balance thing is true) while the others are later

[rain lagoon]

[snow cosmos]

i could even see Wasteland conceptualizing the world as both a side effect of and a battleground for the eternal struggle between light and dark

[keen shore]

Actually now I’m rethinking that. Sols would be later maybe because ancestors lived on the material world so maybe they’re like, hey we also live here so using darkness to our advantage isn’t that bad. I guess it would depend on different interpretations of the same myth

[slim plume]

Given the Aurora mural (I know nothing about beta content other than cosmetics) and the fact that they sing for the intro and outro, the thing that first came into my mind was:
"All was quiet. All was shadow. Until a spark lit up the dark. She sung, and that spark grew. And from her, the Light was born."

[rigid mural]

the egyptians believed in a bird laying an egg:

[...]
His name is related to the Egyptian verb wbn, meaning "to rise in brilliance" or "to shine".```

I'm going to think about my answer, but I believe it would be really poetic since this is Sky. Perhaps the universe was born under starlight, not under oppressing darkness as a lot of myths depict dusk to be, but with something close to a serene night ?

[snow cosmos]

chills my dude

[keen shore]

I can totally see a myth like. First god of light somehow dies and disperses its energy, creating life. Megabird and life itself is an attempt for the pieces to come back together and rebirth the god in question — kinda like how stars are created from the dust of other stars. It ties in pretty nicely with the “we’re all connected” thing

[frigid tinsel]

Thinking about thatskyshop line

from darkness, light was born

[snow cosmos]

OH
since we see Megabird as both an entity and the shape of the universe itself, there could be a myth of like... the universe was once full of stars, but empty of life, until the stars came into alignment and Megabird was born

[nimble ingot]

The Egyptian mythos also had an event where the Eye of Ra would have wiped out humanity, had it not been the god, Ra, stopped it.

Sound familiar to the Eye of Eden, the realm ruled over by the King?

[snow cosmos]

okay, the myth i'm going with for my personal headcanon is:
the universe was full of stars, but empty of life, until those stars came into alignment and Megabird was born

but Megabird was lonely, and so when the time came they laid an egg, and that egg became the world we live in

[but the world was bare, and cold, and so Megabird sent their smallest stars to fly across the world, and called them birds; and as they flew, life and greenery and plants sprung up in their wake - concept from Catlem]

but the world was still empty, and so Megabird took slivers of light from their favorite stars, their own feathers, and sent them to the world to give it life; and those lights became the Elders

[keen shore]

Concept: first thing Megabird created was the river of birds, which are closest to the incarnation of light, along with butterflies. As the river flew along the earth, life and greenery and plants sprung up in its wake

[snow cosmos]

yes yes yes

[slim plume]

That gives "The stars fell" a whole new meaning and makes it seem more like a blessing rather than a tragedy and I love it

[frigid tinsel]

Like how irl birds spread plant life by dropping seeds onto distant islands

[keen shore]

YEAH, and like how life springs up around rivers too
And when the river returned to its source, the experiences the birds had gained flowed into the god; and since they were through the eyes of birds, the first lives Megabird experienced were birds. Hence why they’re bird shaped and are called that

[frigid tinsel]

Megabird is just one huge birdsona

[keen shore]

BRB incorporating this into my belief system

[snow cosmos]

added Catlem's river of birds into my myth as well

[untold notch]

salembyosis

[keen shore]

OH YEAHlike the stars falling itself was great but the reason they fell in the first place and the problem they were meant to solve was. not

[slim plume]

Soon there will just be one salem that has a fursona that's a cat with bird wings.

Or maybe a bird with cat-like features, who knows

[snow cosmos]

the ultimate fusion: Salem^2

[keen shore]

funnily enough this is what my fursona looks like

[snow cosmos]

that's just us
also genuinely love that design

[keen shore]

The salemglomerate. Salemegabird

[slim plume]

YOU'VE BEEN HIDING YOUR BIRD CLONE THIS ENTIRE TIME?!?!!

[nimble ingot]

Salemageddon

[snow cosmos]

Salemnarok

[frigid tinsel]

beloved

[untold notch]

severalem...

[snow cosmos]

waitwaitwait: we'd be a griffon

[keen shore]

SO TRUE I LOVE GRYPHONS

[nimble ingot]

Salemavelation (I am done)

[slim plume]

In the beginning, there was nothing.
And then Megabird said...

Let there be salem.

[sharp lichen]

Salem is the primordial center of the Sky universe

[keen shore]

SO TRUE soon our plan will be complete

[lethal stump]

your name sounds rather familiar !

[snow cosmos]

when Strega asked if we were two different people, we lied - we're actually both Jenova Chen, and our word is law /j

[keen shore]

They valley eldered us

[lethal stump]

I have a very similar theory ! My idea is inspired by MacBeth, where the prophets convinced the Prince that he was destined to be King and so the boy took matters into his own hands...that's why Isle Elder's mask is shattered.

[keen shore]

I’ve never heard that headcanon before, wondering why she would do something like that

[nimble ingot]

salt and pepper apple slices

[keen shore]

Although generally, that theory does kinda seem out there. Wondering how that works in terms of ruling and all, like, would the king also rule isle and then why can we find and meet Dawn instead? Why wouldn’t they have just gone for Eden and controlled that because it seems to be the most important spot? I will be honest I don’t really get the logistics behind it, plus selfishly in my head I can’t really see any of these characters doing something like that

[lethal stump]

GIFs you can hear-

[nimble ingot]

I know this is a dead end comparison, however I would like to focus more on the message of the parable, rather than the origin of the story.

The tower of Babel, a man made structure once built to connect the mortal world to the Heavens. Which would have eliminated the divide of man and God. Suppose that mankind was never meant to achieve this feat, their harmony was taken away, thus making their power no longer infinite since the people cannot unite.
This in turn left a structure with a history, a memory that is now lost to time.

[frigid tinsel]

and this is why we have 600+ languages

[snow cosmos]

and when we can't understand each other, we call it "babble"

[nimble ingot]

And the one we want to decipher is nearly impossible to translate with modern languages.

Which presents an interesting question, which language would be the 'babble' one?
The ancient language of an ancient civilisation, or the languages that came after?

[snow cosmos]

depends who you ask, really

[frigid tinsel]

I do not have the brain waves for theocratic discussions rn

[nimble ingot]

Latin "..."
Hebrew "..."
Sanskrit "..."
English "What are you all talking about?"

[snow cosmos]

english isn't even a language, it's 3 languages in a trenchcoat

[nimble ingot]

Its ok, though thanks for your input 👍