lore-discussion-spoilers

[rigid mural]

Skill issue

[keen shore]

Spirits are like cats, if they’re not your friend that’s a you problem /j

[white junco]

get good

[rigid mural]

Have you tried sitting in the same room as them and letting them come to you at their own pace ?

[eternal totem]

Yes, Sassy came over 3 times while Dismiss refused to come once 😔

[raw crypt]

SASSY SWEEP

dismiss got to be my birthday ts (sorta- not exactly on the day) it was an honour

[untold notch]

sassy sweep

[keen shore]

Whenever a new season comes you put all the new spirits in a separate room so that the others can get used to their scent before they meet them

[rigid mural]

Dismiss is a bird tho, they're just feathered anxiety.

[eternal totem]

It's alright, I did wait 2 years for them

[rigid mural]

Shush is the new Dismiss

[eternal totem]

We gotta Shush sweep harder

[rigid mural]

Trying not to be envious of my vet friends flexing Shush cape around me

[keen shore]

I would but I was too broke😔nerfed

[rigid mural]

Prerelease Fossil

[white junco]

they had to dig salem out of the sand for enchantment

[untold notch]

mm sand

[eternal totem]

I forget to wear it, CW cape was what I wanted most

Gah I'm on a new phone, all my old screenshots are stored somewhere else

[rigid mural]

CW CAPE 💙💙💙

[fickle wing]

u could end the sentence at spirits r like cats n id go yeah true

[raw crypt]

i dont wear it much anymore but cw cape so powerful durinh my moth days

and so true

[white junco]

cw come back i missed ur cape

[rigid mural]

Crab Whisperer cape unlocks my hidden potential in ways I cannot comprehend.

[eternal totem]

I should wear it more often again

[waxen dragon]

Can anyone either link me to Eden or krill lore
Or gimme a rundown
Bc I stg it changed a lot from when I played long ago

[sharp lichen]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[waxen dragon]

Ty<3

[keen shore]

SO TRUE, hidden forest cat spirits real

[keen shore]

Actually accurate, then I died again right before prophecy

[frigid tinsel]

Salem sand cat confirmed

[keen shore]

This is me

[frigid tinsel]

Wow Salem doxxed themself

[keen shore]

Why would this be a problem /j

[frigid tinsel]

They’re not paying rent smh

[fickle wing]

remembered the concepts of the samekh twins w natural hair n my god we were robbed

[keen shore]

I DONT REMEMBER THE LAST TWO PICTURES BUT GOD I WISH THEY WERE STILL CANON, Man ‼️

[frigid tinsel]

TGC give me more black hairstyles, we got like 5

[keen shore]

Off the top of my head I can only remember 4 💔 there totally needs to be more I agree with you, we don’t even have braids yet — which I think would look super cool in universe

[fair knot]

TGC please give us an Afrofuturism themed season with a lot of black hairstyles and colorfull capessssssssss ... pleaaaaseeeeee

[robust knot]

If I want to start learning about the lore of the game, where would you guys recommend I start digging?

[frigid tinsel]

Yes yes yes afrofuturism stuff would work well with Sky cos the Sky kingdom already got some sci-finstuff going on

[fair knot]

Just imagine how awesome it could be ... An example, art by Malcolm Wopé:
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/nQEOKe
(I dont know if its ok to share external links, so if its not ok please tell me and I'll delete it)

[keen shore]

oh man how have I never heard of this aesthetic (Is this the right categorical term? Struggling with words rn) before, it’s so good, wow

Looking at this with many eyes

[frigid tinsel]

afrofuturism is a genre of black & African-centered science fiction since mainstream science fiction tends to be white-centric and, in worse case scenarios, don't envision black lives in their futures. I wrote about this in an essay somewhere, a moment

[fair knot]

Yes, Its the correct term Salem

[frigid tinsel]

the essay was specifically about disability in Lois Lowry's The Giver, however I did remark upon the racism in the text.

The Community is presented like many of the utopia-appearing settings of futuristic speculative fiction stories: there is no war, no suffering, no pain. We don’t know how far into the future the Community exists, yet it’s implied that they have significantly advanced technology... The Giver also remarks that in achieving Sameness, geneticists wiped out other skin colors, so now “flesh is all the same” (Lowry, The Giver 94). Perhaps this was an attempt to resolve racism. Speculative fiction authors, in building a “utopia,” often opt out of dealing with the complexities of bigotry and challenging the oppression & privileges in contemporary society by simply removing different social groups such as race, gender, and ability status in their imagined futures, whether by blending them or eliminating them all (Schalk 86). Lowry is white, so she may have had a more shallow comprehension of racism where the solution appeared to be a genetically-engineered single race of white people rather than racial justice, however the discussion of racism prominent in the white-dominated speculative fiction genre is off-topic for this paper.
exclusion and erasure of different kinds of people is not an effective measure of social justice. inclusion and celebrating diversity, amending systematic bigotries, and accepting our differences is the better way forward because it allows everyone to flourish

[fair knot]

WOW

[frigid tinsel]

I did want to go into more detail about this but my paper turned out to be 20+ pages long and it's the reason I'm smoltering in an eight month long academic burnout

[rigid mural]

In the pins ! One was recently added too

[frigid tinsel]

screaming

[keen shore]

The essay seems really good from what I read! Although I am baffled at how Lowry thought that was a good idea to write or want to begin with hello???

[robust knot]

Thank youuuu

[frigid tinsel]

it's the colorblindness approach to racism – it claims that acknowledging race causes racism, so if everyone just pretended race didn't exist, that they didn't "see race," then racism wouldn't exist.

perhaps that would work in an ideal world. however we live in a society built on racist structures. everyone pretending race didn't exist would not get rid of the systematic racism that subjugates marginalized people of color

[rigid mural]

Fellas I advise you be wary of any media trying to pass wiping out differences to advance into a solution for a "better" or "more advanced" society, that's how we get the status quo claiming that them attempting to absorb entire demographics is for the greater good.

[sharp lichen]

The pins and this document: https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

[keen shore]

YEAH I AGREE SO MUCH, feels oddly like blaming the victim for being different rather than blaming everyone else for discriminating against them

[frigid tinsel]

in science fiction, that manifests as the "one-race world" were either future generations cross-bred (hate that word) between races so that race was genetically indistinguishable thus was no longer apparent (think everyone being a milquetoast shade of brown, like in Neal Shusterman's The Scythe series) or this future world is the result of artificially selecting which race would be allowed to have children or genetically modifying future generations to look the same, which is a very supremacist take y'all cos someone had to pick which race the future generations would be and there would have to be reason for that.

[livid crypt]

I really appreciate themes and seasons in the game that present pieces of different cultures. Sometimes people talk about appropriation, but the game is global and it's made by a diverse crew as well. It makes me happy to see people saying they feel personally represented by parts of the game

[rigid mural]

I will not say anything 😅

[fair knot]

Me too, i love that Sky has some pieces of latin american culture :3

[keen shore]

Idk if this counts as a culture thing but I really like the whole everyone in Sky is genderless piece of canon lore, Its so cool seeing myself be represented like that (am also genderless)

[keen shore]

I AGREE WITH YOU, there’s no good way to execute it and its so weird that erasing so many cultures and diverse appearances is so many author’s first impulse on how to create utopias instead of putting the effort to deconstruct them in an actual meaningful way. Feels like they kinda just kicked it under the rug or something.

And the bit about only certain races being allowed to have children in some sci-fi… Eugh glad I’ve never seen that (or at least don’t remember it) because that sounds like a word that I will not mention because it is likely censored here

[livid crypt]

racism is a really hard topic to handle, since the way I see things, everyone everywhere is susceptible to it, and we all have tendencies that are easily exploited by fear. I think if more people confronted themselves that would be a good thing. IRL distraction so I can't stick around to tie that back into Sky or server culture, but I'll be back

[frigid tinsel]

I know the ancestors are not human, though they are very humanlike. also the devs have admitted or we have suspected that there are irl cultural influences – Abyss aesthetics being based off Scandinavia, Flight having Inuit and Siberian influences, Dancing Performer's hat that I will not elaborate on, and others I may not be aware of. we don't know if ancestors did have a concept of race as they don't have a concept of gender, but in their apparent absence of race, Sky does lay the foundation for the other cultures to overlay in the ancestors' civilization. one could argue that here, the lack of an explicit mention of race allows for other races and cultures to be represented and embraced.

This is different from the Community in Lois Lowry's The Giver because there is an implicit race that exists as every citizen in the community has pale skin, blue or gray eyes, and brown hair. everyone there is white, you can't deny that.

[keen shore]

YEAH, for example enchantment is heavily implied in the way they’re introduced in their season post to be like, a culture that the other ancestors in their time wouldn’t have seen much of. Like from rumors getting spread about them and all

There’s also the whole argument that if ancestors are completely nonbiological and have shells like skykids would they even have race as a thing at all, even beyond it not being something that they’d think about (struggling to word this as it’s happening in my brain) which is also interesting to think about in universe

[tepid veldt]

so uh
i made art
you all have been so kind to me and always made me feel welcome. ill say it before and ill say it again: i love talking with yall.

[frigid tinsel]

omg, idyll, this is precious ✨

[keen shore]

OHHH HELLO THANK YOU SO MUCH, HAVE ENJOYED HAVING HOU AROUND AS WELL

[tepid veldt]

anatomy? what is that, dont know them
im gonna try and sleep now i got class tmrw

[frigid tinsel]

goodnight, hope you sleep well, good luck on your classes

[keen shore]

Good luck on your classes as well! The endless pain of having Responsisbilities

[rigid mural]

I decided to say something actually: I'm laughing nervously while looking at NetEase having such an overwhelming influence on the game (don't tell me they can't touch global servers, they're the ones that pressured TGC to tone down the message behind the Days of Rainbow), they got a lot of reasons to stay in line with the rules of their very much hungry to absorb other cultures government. Like, my take above on why you should be wary of people wanting to erase differences is directed at this kind of stuff.
The whole issue sounds like a giant ouroboros of shareholder business...

[tepid veldt]

who knows, i might color it later

[keen shore]

I agree, I do appreciate different cultures and diverse people being represented in Sky but… I also wish they were acknowledged. And, in the case of dor sadly, not just kicked under the rug.
For instance, would actually kill for the canon lore about genderless spirits to be more widely spread instead of solely accessible on discord and only if you know how to look

[rigid mural]

I don't mean to be despair-posting in the open, I just want to ring an alarm in the sea of messages on this server. I wish the company could tell us what's wrong, what's stopping them from the full execution of this beautiful message of helping eachother despite our background and differences, of supporting eachother and of discovery in a vast world that's more beautiful than what you see out of the tiny window of your life.

I only know it might be something the devs or TGC itself are helpless to change (I recall Ktjn saying that in a message where they also said their job is much harder than it looks) and upon looking it up it really does look like they depend too much on NetEase to risk losing their shares. It's so unfair because I'm invested in that game, it's unlike anything I've seen before, but it breaks my heart to see works of art having their integrity eroded as well as their message being hollowed out like this.

[frigid tinsel]

yea, I get that Sky is going for implicit representation, but explicit representation is the most effective way to go forward for people to be truly seen and embraced. that way, not only are people undeniably represented, bigots can't claim that things are not what they are coded to be (eyeing those who deny that everyone in Sky is agender cos "the game is open to interpretation").

unfortunately, referring to what Vela said, too often companies view embracing diversity as not profitable due to the controversy bigots will stir up, governments bearing down on it, or they view the marginalized market as not big enough to be catered to. hence why a lot of characters in older media were "coded" with various identities since it can fly under the radar.

[pastel brook]

[fair knot]

[keen shore]

I get what you mean. It’s so frustrating to see things like dor and know they would’ve been so awesome without what feels like a limit that was stifling them from the beginning. Unfair is the perfect word. It just drives in how, even when being represented, it’s like we still need to be hidden anyways. (In Sky this typically applies to mostly queer people, so it’s the angle I’m taking, although it has applied to other identities as well.)

I really wish the representation was more explicit like what Alasdair said, because as fun as it is to see a character that’s so similar to me and get excited about it, it would be even more amazing to have that be widely known throughout the fanbase. I’m really glad ze brought up the whole thing with spirit genders bc it’s an example. The waters are already super muddy on that topic and, when I was just a casual player of the game, I would’ve never known it was a thing. Even now when I do now, it still sucks to not have it be acknowledged by the majority of the fanbase, even though I know they don’t know it’s a thing

[sharp lichen]

Shut up you ungrateful bot! You’re useless and have no place sneaking up on this channel like that. Go to your room

[rigid mural]

It just makes me really sad because in the group that designed the earrings and jelly pants reskin , I KNOW there was at least one queer person. So it must be that there's roadblocks and loops to jump through to get whatever representation we crave.

But I will never know the truth because saying it's the fault of some of the companies funding TGC &/or some folks in power is understandably too dangerous to do for a dev.

I think we will only learn for sure what went wrong in the far future when people that worked for TGC are no longer under NDA.

[frigid tinsel]

capitalism wringing out art as "content" to be digestible to the lowest common denominator, the fact that their are two races/genders in this climate – white man and "political," then discourse on "problematic" media is just exhausting.

don't get me wrong, I'm writing a speculative fiction piece that confronts racism and strives for a post-racial world where diversity exists and is embraced, but as a disabled queer black guy, I fall into the escapist fantasy worlds where these divisions did not exist. it's easier, but it is not realistic. it's a pitfall, not progressive.

I do like Sky where I can overlay myself onto it's blank world and ig that's why I get so defensive about it. if the game won't be explicit about who it represents, then we need to defend those who see themselves in the coding

[rigid mural]

If that's any comfort, I think Sky is leaving a lot of novel ideas in its wake. I think that ultimately something good is coming from it, but the capitalism machine will crush those that try to work with it on deeper levels than basic transactions.

[keen shore]

Mad at you all for being able to state my thoughts more eloquently and precisely than I ever could /hj

But yeah, the whole situation is depressing overall; I like the fact that I can project myself onto the world so much, and honestly the more time I spend in this channel the more I like the game’s vagueness but also… when it comes to identities it sucks that it needs to be so vague in general . Kinda kicks you in the side while you’re already sad about not being represented ykniw

[rigid mural]

Tempted to leave something in the feedback channel like a bottle in the sea, I don't want the devs to think the marginalized playerbase blindly hates them when we can tell there might be something beyond them stopping them.

[livid crypt]

some subjects are just too tricky for a company to discuss candidly. I know that's not a lot of comfort, and it doesn't explain all things, but I also wouldn't take a view as simple as "netease says so" or "TGC bowing to pressure." I know from experience that reality is more subtle than that. I also often suggest looking at DoR this way: a global company has a responsibility to its players, including some who are in real danger if they openly express their identity in a place that is still barbaric enough to outlaw people just for being themselves

[rigid mural]

I say NetEase because they're their biggest shareholder as well as in charge of the playerbase that nets them the biggest revenue, but I am also looking at some people from Sony and TGC's desire to be marketable in as many countries as possible.

[keen shore]

It’s like, I know what you mean, but honestly any reason for why it’s so subtle is depressing anyways at this point because it all leads back to someone somewhere wanting to stifle our existence. Kinda wishing I lived in a world where I didn’t get reminded of that in everywhere I am

[rigid mural]

Man I'm so painfully aware and KNOW it's more complicated than I think, but don't have insider knowledge and my point is that TGC is a small company that had to make deals with bigger fish in the market, hence why it feels so unfair when something they do could have been so much better without whatever road block was in the way.

[livid crypt]

Another view of "be marketable," which definitely echoes with the same sentiments about marginalized people still being forced to the margins, is that TGC is taking progressive ideas to a mass market and helping some who can't be open about their identity to live a life in the game that gives them a kind of freedom they don't have otherwise. YES parts of humanity are awful, which is why I'm here. Not to ignore the bad parts, but to put in work on the good parts and keep the pressure on for the good to keep spreading

[rigid mural]

Don't worry, none of us are secretly taking digs at the mod team.

[frigid tinsel]

I get that there is a danger in explicit representation, forcing marginalized peoples to take crumbs as coding and stereotypes or flourish under the shadows. I'm reminded of the number of transphobic legislation and rising hate crimes in my region due to trans folk hitting the mainstream attention when trans people have always existed. yet they won't get out of the margins without explicitly demanding and asserting their existence. bringing awareness, pointing out how unfair bigotry is, will not only highlight their plight to those who are ignorant to their existence but also let people like them be seen as okay in a world that tells them they're bad for who they are.

[keen shore]

In general no matter what the reason is, it is still saddening to see stuff like DOR and go… man. Can you imagine what this could’ve been like if there was no roadblocks on it

[livid crypt]

I'm speaking for myself, and no I'm not perceiving any digs against the mods, and I'm not worried about that either. I know them and can say without reservation, they're some of the best people I know

[rigid mural]

But yeah, that's the problem, I guess that's one of the hardships that comes with being a trailblazer (at bringing marginalized topics to less marginalized masses). Though I still feel like some problems such as lack of clarity can be blamed on TGC, especially after they promised otherwise.

[keen shore]

YEAHHHH it’s like in general, from my experience as a queer person you are either forced into being silent about your existence or facing tons of backlash and violence from so many people when you’re not. I don’t think I have to explain how much I hate it

[fickle wing]

this convo just. Reminded me of the dor charity thing have they still not said the charities yet or

[rigid mural]

NO THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING
NOT A SINGLE PEEP FROM TGC ABOUT THAT

[fickle wing]

dear lord

[keen shore]

It’s still so weird to me because they said the charities last year so ??

[rigid mural]

I wish I didn't have to struggle for my identity and those of my queer siblings to be accepted in even the most niche communities. Because by default you gotta be ready on the defense, and despite everything I don't like fighting.

[livid crypt]

the fight for representation and for equal rights, I can't express how proud I am of the people who have taken the worst that life has to offer and turned it into action. it's hard to talk about that in the same breath as something like Sky, but I still find real value in how Sky offers fluid gender expression as a normal thing for anyone to do. It's a small thing, but maybe is gets under some of the biases and barriers

[fickle wing]

did they. Forget or

[rigid mural]

Btw Alex, I don't expect you to but if your years of being in TGC's circles taught you anything that could light our lanterns on what went wrong and what we could do, I will listen.

[livid crypt]

"what went wrong?" are you specifically asking about DoR this year? or? There's a lot I don't know in any case, but I know everyone felt burned last year. I'm going to abuse my powers to ask community managers about this year's charity announcement. That usually doesn't mean I'll get a concrete answer, but it's worth asking anyway

[keen shore]

Thank you for the help, it’s appreciated even without a concrete answer.

[frigid tinsel]

thank you for being patient in this convo

[rigid mural]

Omg fr ? That would be incredible ! Thank you so much.

It was more of a general question, some franchises and medias I've followed started to nosedive due to someone leaving or something else changing, so maybe you noticed something we didn't.

[livid crypt]

you mean, not saying "get back on topic!?" ... i mean I'm looking for ways to relate it to lore, but a) most channels are too fast to have a nuanced conversation about social issues, and b) social issues are lore-adjacent, right??

[rigid mural]

It's TGC lore, don't worry about it

[keen shore]

Irl Lore

[violet sundial]

Every day is another loredrop in irl lore

[frigid tinsel]

that's what I like about lorechat – not a lot of blokes here, chat is slow enough to read essay-long messages, and we don't sweep things under the rug. lot of the lads who frequent this channel also understand nuance and more complicated topics, often from personal experience or they're just that caring.

[keen shore]

But yeah, Ty for not coming in and telling us to get back on topic. Sometimes randos will come in while we’re having an in-depth and deep conversation about social issues and tell us condescendingly to get back on topic, and it’s always annoying

[keen shore]

[turning on the news] Wow! My daily canon lore livestream! I can’t wait to see which of my theories will be confirmed today.

[violet sundial]

Imagine how huge it would be for irl lore if the Queen finally passed. Crab whisperer did it

[rigid mural]

HELP

[livid crypt]

hmmm... big topic. I have been paying attention to TGC for a long time, and have seen many changes, have seen many good things and some bad things, but I try not to judge in realtime because that makes it tempting for me to get emotionally invested in stuff I can't control. It's really interesting to me, and I know it's a hard job doing PR in an environment of millions of players in dozens of countries

[keen shore]

We can barely do PR for this channel you don’t need to tell us about it

[frigid tinsel]

Fruitzie was our PR guy but she hasn't been that present recently so we're struggling /j

[sharp lichen]

would we even want PR in lorechat?

[rigid mural]

Wooly manta PR

[violet sundial]

Hire me for PR graphic design is my passion

[rigid mural]

There's a gay flag around it so people don't assume things

[frigid tinsel]

post wooly manta woo

[keen shore]

The first one is lightseeker guides fursona

[rigid mural]

That's pretty vague but I guess I have to take from your account to be patient and that time will tell. Still, I can't help but worry.

[keen shore]

As we speak someone somewhere is writing a message about how we don’t focus on lore enough and have too many off topic conversations. The endless curse

[fickle wing]

going insane at the mental image of crab call on the news when the queen finally keels over

[frigid tinsel]

Crab Whisperer would escape prison

[keen shore]

AORJWODIWOSOKDFJF the mental image of crab whisperer in court is making me sneeze

[raw crypt]

let me do lorechat pr i will do the tumblr approach and keep people out 😊 /j

also hii been so tired all night but i do hope we get something abt the dor charities soon bc man 😀

[eager eagle]

I open Discord , i see wooly manta , i am happy now thanks

[keen shore]

Canon in dft

[violet sundial]

Brb i’m gonna go make a lorechat promo 😍😍🤪‼️‼️‼️‼️

[raw crypt]

did they add a tinfoil hat emoji to the chat desc

[fickle wing]

going around n telling ppl that lore chat will tell u to eat bees n stuff just like how ppl warn others not to use tumblr

[keen shore]

Making a PowerPoint presentation on why lorechst is good. One of the slides has jelly whisperer with the UK flag in the bg, I quickly click past it without elaborating

[frigid tinsel]

I just noticed that

[rigid mural]

I hope whoever designed Crab Whisperer gets an extra pepsi can when they order from a vending machine.

[livid crypt]

oh maybe I see where you're going. I also hear people declare impending doom for TGC pretty often, over any number of issues. I've heard that for years. Maybe doom is around the corner, or maybe not, but I spend enough time IRL dreading the worst that I know it's a pointless exercise

[keen shore]

Oh god flashbacks to how many people were saying shattering is the end of Sky

[frigid tinsel]

Dawn the cross lsdjfkacdjfer

[livid crypt]

I added a channel description here, I think a proper channel description was overdue. I hope everyone likes it

[tepid veldt]

what emote is that

[frigid tinsel]

proper

[keen shore]

I’m crying they turned us into an emoji

[livid crypt]

[fickle wing]

putting the emoji in the microwave

[tepid veldt]

its almost disappointed in me
disappointed in the fact that i woke up at 11pm

[frigid tinsel]

my lorechat PR would just be this Vela doodle

[keen shore]

Alasdair put that hat on their head in order to grill them like cheese

[raw crypt]

OH MY GOD I WAS SCROLLING BACK OH MY GID!!!! OHH MY GOD 🥺🥺💕💕💕 EETewi MOMEMGY OHH THIS IS SO SWEET

[frigid tinsel]

slander, my 'fro is too big for tinfoil hat

[sharp lichen]

EY THE TOYOTA COROLLA THING

[keen shore]

NO I MEAN LIKE. thst emoji is not you but you put the hat on their head

[tepid veldt]

oh honk its 11pm i really should be asleep

[rigid mural]

Oh I get you, I don't think TGC will crash and burn either, I just am worried about what could be stopping them. I admit it's on my getting invested because I really feel inspired by that game !

[keen shore]

That’s what you did to echo and that’s why she’s like this . Grilled like the sandwich

[frigid tinsel]

if anything, Echo grilled me with all those Eden trips. once we went twice in one week

[raw crypt]

TYSM im so honoured to be inccluded and im so happy ur happy to be hrre!!!

[rigid mural]

OMG I DIDN'T SEE THIS AT ALL THIS IS SO CUTE
BIRDKEEPER REAL

[tepid veldt]

im glad you two like it!

and on that note ill take my leave once more

[untold notch]

thats very sweet

[tepid veldt]

also props to salem for dming me what you two looked like otherwise i wouldve slapped your pfps on there and be done with it /hj

[rigid mural]

Beloved

[untold notch]

bird keeper based

[raw crypt]

GEJHEHR my pfp is my skysona this thing so it wouldve worked HAHDHHD

OH WAIT ETEWI IS FREE FROM BETA CHANNELS ETEWI MONENY ETEWI SWEEP

[frigid tinsel]

absolutely losing it over this

[untold notch]

i do not understand why but im glad i could bring some positive energy

[tepid veldt]

also when drawing literally everybody had ancient light manta pants tjejfjeifj

[frigid tinsel]

tbf that tunic slaps

[raw crypt]

THEYRE SO GOOD !!!!
stagehands robe wasnt my thing but manta tunic filled that gap its so so so good

[untold notch]

hm. mayhaps i will make a butterfly keeper oc

[keen shore]

They have been released

[rigid mural]

BIRDKEEPER SWEEP CONTINUES

[frigid tinsel]

where your skykids become creature

[keen shore]

hold on trying to find the etewi falls into Skyrim vid

[untold notch]

off to picrew i go again i like butterflies a Normal Amount i swear

[raw crypt]

I LOVE U ELDER MASKS <3

[frigid tinsel]

one of my OCs, Tomatoá, went from butterfly to manta all thanks to a shard

[keen shore]

Help me I ma losing it and I don’t know why

[rigid mural]

I would lay my life down for creature skykids, the only living beings besides them are animals, you bet some are bound to walk around on all 4s and snarl at crabs.

[raw crypt]

can we pin this

[keen shore]

bluebird loves you too

[rigid mural]

HELP ME

[violet sundial]

I made it better i think

[frigid tinsel]

deepfried omg

[raw crypt]

DEEP FRIED

[keen shore]

The evil gay emote is slaughtering me , accurate representation

[rigid mural]

Like if you think Crab Whisperer could survive the deepfrier

[frigid tinsel]

they have survived the deepfrier, only made them more powerful

[white junco]

that’s just wasteland

[violet sundial]

WHO THE HELL DISLIKED THAT.

[keen shore]

It was me. My logic is “Alasdair will find a way”

[rigid mural]

"don't worry they die in my fic" guy

[frigid tinsel]

but that's not how they died in my ficversensldfakfda s

[violet sundial]

AHHSJSHSHDGDHHSG

[keen shore]

The fact that you wrote and planned their death tells me everything I need to know

[white junco]

what could be more powerful than a deep fryer

[frigid tinsel]

I only say that cos I don't know how they die

[rigid mural]

Clearly you don't own an air frier.

[keen shore]

Walking into eye of Eden, they made air friars canon in Sky

[white junco]

does no one in this channel know how to spell fryer correctly

[untold notch]

the butterflies like the flute :)

[frigid tinsel]

not that I doubted you, but you led me to a hilarious website

[rigid mural]

Typical italian behavior

[keen shore]

I am the one who fries

[white junco]

i thought that was vela. french fries

[untold notch]

i have yet to decide whether they themself Are butterflies but the butterflies are important to them in some way

[violet sundial]

Ooo neat!

[untold notch]

...i forgot to change the background or anything

[frigid tinsel]

Wind Paths is fitting – a light creature haven

[untold notch]

yeah they definitely live in a butterfly sanctuary like the ones they might have in museums

[violet sundial]

Tweaked a few details. Will deepfry again Eventually

Yall should i make more

[keen shore]

I just realized the arrow was pointing to CW I thought they were jsut there

[violet sundial]

AKAHHSJAGSJSHD

They are there. In your house. Sleep with one eye open.

[white junco]

is CW poisonous or venomous this is important

[keen shore]

Omg vela knows my address?

[frigid tinsel]

poisonous is when eating them kills you. venomous is when their bite kills you.

[white junco]

is it safe to bite them that is the main question will i die

[untold notch]

i think they would bite you back so you'd die regardless

[violet sundial]

No. One of the assembly children tried and learned their lesson

[keen shore]

Their bloodstream is composed of the chemicals that turn the frogs gay

[white junco]

jokes on them i’m already gay

[frigid tinsel]

that's from wading in Wasteland's dark water

[keen shore]

using forged evidence I see

[white junco]

that’s exactly what crab whisperer would say, especially if they were at salems address

[keen shore]

It all makes sense now

[rigid mural]

I hate you all /j

[keen shore]

SAVING THIS IMAGE FOR PURPOSES

[rigid mural]

I'm immune to the evil gay emote because I'm gay and evil too.

[violet sundial]

Aren’t we all?

[rigid mural]

I'm gonna scramble you two like eggs

[frigid tinsel]

heh, I'm chaotic neutral-good

[raw crypt]

sorry i was rereading patch notes can we dfaw svery spirit ever in fishing memes

pleaful vc: told my partner i was going to the bank but i never said which one

[keen shore]

Who cares about the Eden disaster I just want to fish

[rigid mural]

Sparkler wants Pleaful, fish fear them.

[violet sundial]

Sparkler wants arson

[untold notch]

good for them

[keen shore]

Why are you all suggesting Pleaful Parent as the avatar of fishing when anxious angler is literally right there

[frigid tinsel]

that's why they were sneaking through the fireworks room – explosives

[rigid mural]

Relatable

[keen shore]

Here they are!

[rigid mural]

OMG ARSON MY BELOVED ILU

[raw crypt]

cw

[eager eagle]

Now i wish to fish with anxious angler , fishing at treasure reef sound nice

[rigid mural]

You guys better not put the CW picture again but I unironically want that cap.

[opaque vale]

i was explaining some sky lore to my mum and she asked me about if the prophecy cave was the training grounds to becoming the Avatar…she thought it was legend of Kora…

[rigid mural]

If you guys are wondering when my joker arc started, this is it.

[untold notch]

which spirit is this hat

[frigid tinsel]

Anxious Angler

[raw crypt]

YEA

[rigid mural]

Anxious Angler

[keen shore]

Oh no, someone get the jar

[opaque vale]

yep…

[violet sundial]

THE JAR???

[untold notch]

wh
whats the jar for

[frigid tinsel]

I mean, she ain't too far off

[opaque vale]

can someone please edit the hat onto the spirit

[keen shore]

Imprisonment for joker crimes

[violet sundial]

Omg
Its like putting fireflies in a jar but instead of fireflies its “vela” (who we all know is just crab whisperer)

[round parrot]

Lore question: Has anyone actually tried to measure Elder Bird's height? (iirc, Elder Bird has appeared in Flight concept arts, especially Light Whisper's introduction card)

[rigid mural]

i could beat degonime in hand to hand combat, my jar now

[frigid tinsel]

I believe in you

[keen shore]

Debating posting the picture

[rigid mural]

The height measurements you might have seen on the elders used the office's furniture as a basis. Since it's now impossible to see the elder bird's model, I think you won't get anything more precise than headcanons usually are.

Though to be fair, I don't really believe in the elder height measurements since the models seem to shift heights to better fit in the frame during cutscenes.

[frigid tinsel]

This is a trick to get you in the jar

[keen shore]

I don’t believe in elder heights except for night who I refuse to believe is not five feet tall

[rigid mural]

Salem, you want someone your height so bad /lh

[frigid tinsel]

Night Elder is 5'2"

[keen shore]

YOURE RIGHT I WJLL FORCE IT IF NECESSARY

[rigid mural]

The Little Prince can be 5 feet tall if you want.

[keen shore]

my evil plan is to make everyone in Sky short
he can’t be an example he’s already shorter than that, it only applies to tall ppl

[frigid tinsel]

but skykids are already no taller than 4 feet

[keen shore]

Forcing tgcs hand to add rulers to Sky bc I keep declaring spirits as 3 feet tall

[round parrot]

Basically promoting chibis /j

[violet sundial]

Anyways i need to sleep cus I start on new adhd meds tmrw and i need to get the Proper amount of sleep or they won’t work very well

Vote for me to be Lorechats Official Social PR/Graphic Designer or They will find you.

[rigid mural]

Salem was born already in their joker arc

[keen shore]

real

[untold notch]

joker arc but it's the jester kind

[frigid tinsel]

Forgetful Storyteller

[keen shore]

Omg slink spirit

[raw crypt]

hi

[keen shore]

IM CRHING WHY IS THID SO GOOD WHAT

[opaque vale]

ITS BEAUTIFUL

IM REALLY CRYING OMG

[eager eagle]

THANK YOU FOR THIS

[raw crypt]

forever in my jester era

[untold notch]

thank you for doing what you do

[opaque vale]

THANK YOU SO SO MUCH

[untold notch]

this is like a rlly good pfp ALSO WAIT do you mind if I send this to someone not in this server

[frigid tinsel]

oh that is absolutely fantastic, thank you Slink

[raw crypt]

go ahead!!

AND YW HDJHDHD 💕

[rigid mural]

@white junco

[fickle wing]

i want to give the assembly scouts a baja blast

[raw crypt]

oh my god i just remembered a video from the depths of my mind ok one moment WAIT NO IT HAS A SWEAR

[rigid mural]

I want to give assembly scouts nerf guns

[fickle wing]

sky modern au assembly scouts play fortnite together and have sleepovers and eat pizza and hang out at thge park together #swag

[frigid tinsel]

want to give them one of those nerf bow & arrow things, fits their Forest vibe

[rigid mural]

The fortnite cover of american boy was sung by the Assembly guide

take me to your xbox to play fortnite today

[frigid tinsel]

there's a what

[rigid mural]

https://youtu.be/QqRLVFRe9AU

[fickle wing]

nvm edit wasnt skycord friendly hold on need to blast it more

[frigid tinsel]

omg it's that song omg

[rigid mural]

Assembly guide would make that

[untold notch]

is this crab whisperer yes/no

[frigid tinsel]

no, Crab Whisperer is still petty

[rigid mural]

Mein Gott Leute, meine Mama hat mir einfach erlaubt dass ich Baja Blast trinken darf! Wie cool ist das (bitte)? Jetzt zocke ich Fortnite und trinke BAJA BLAST! YIPPEEE!
/ref

Source in case not everyone knows the meme: https://youtu.be/MsNKNZXauI0

Assembly just has strong wholesome kids playing fortnite vibes.

[frigid tinsel]

Yea

Reminds me of playing in the woods with my friends during elementary days

[eager eagle]

Quick questions ,,, Do you think Crab whisperer like crabs ? Are close to crabs like , helping them and guiding them even ? Or not at all ?( I probably missed this hc )

[frigid tinsel]

I imagine someone nicknamed Crab Whisperer would, in fact, be very close to crabs

[untold notch]

would cw headbutt people aggressively

[frigid tinsel]

Yes

[untold notch]

good

[eager eagle]

It seem pretty logical like that i maybe need to sleep !
I hope everyone could see a new thing in golden wastedland

[rigid mural]

I think Crab Whisperer would be knee-deep in mud scavenging at low tide.

[rigid mural]

Healer with crab helpers...

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[raw crypt]

omg its been like. weeks since ive seen the not deep image here actually

i missed it…

[lean kayak]

Ooooh similar how? I don't really see it since they look more like a whale to me

[slate saffron]

I'm gonna bite you. It will be painful.

[tepid veldt]

who has the “silence, BOT” photo with skybot and #lore-discussion-spoilers edited in

[rigid mural]

Salem believed Crabs and Jellyfish were similar because both go in circles, react to deep calls and their associated call (the ones from the whisperers) are similar !

[round parrot]

A little observation, I have found some blue feathers in the Wind Paths, some buckets of feathers are right next to a bucket of blue paint. But why do you guys think it's nessesary to paint feathers blue?

[blazing nova]

it looks cool

[rigid mural]

Ash said the colors used in Season of Flight were inspired by sunny days ! Perhaps the ancestors associated these colors with the sky; yellow/gold and white for light creatures, blue for the sky. Unless the golden colors are an echo to the color of murals and white represents clouds...

[round parrot]

What is sunny days again?

[round parrot]

But why feathers specifically? They obviously aren't the only ones who can fly? Unless feathers have a connected symbolisim with the Wind paths

Edit: Or they might be just decorations for the bells (but then again, I didn't see any blue feathered bells, need to double check on that I checked, there are no bells with blue feathers, maybe they went unused?)

[lean kayak]

I havent seen any light creature with feathers... where do they get the feathers from?

[nimble ingot]

#questions-and-help
An event in Sky similar to Days of Bloom

[round parrot]

OH WAIT THATS WHAT ITS CALLED?????? I THOUGHT IT WAS NOT IN SKY (that's why I asked it here)

[nimble ingot]

I thought you meant Days of Sunlight.
Apologies, may I ask for clarification/elaboration.

[rigid mural]

Litterally this, not related to the Days of Sunlight event.

[lean kayak]

Where is this creature in the game?

[wanton osprey]

im not sure if this lore related or anything but is the big fish in treasure cove like a piranha?

[round parrot]

Well, we do see this in Light Whisperer's introduction card, but other than that that is their only appearance (aside from here)

[rigid mural]

I think the feathers could represent their closeness to light creatures ! Especially because they must have a lot if birds nesting on their islands shed them.

One of the plot points of flight is that the ancestors themselves cannot fly, hence why they were waiting for skykids to help them. Perhaps the feathers represent not an ability, but a desire to fly ?

[nimble ingot]

This was last seen in the final cutscene in Season of Rhythm.
Sadly, the creature has not returned in the game since.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rozpvn71g7Y

[rigid mural]

Which one ? I assume you're talking about the leviathan that was trapped in there until the 4th abyss quest, which is so far an unknown creature. It is associated with krills though so a lot of people think it might be an elder krill !

There's another fish that's long and swims through the area, leaving wax behind. Some people call it a mosaic eel because its face seems to have grey bits on it (never got a clear picture unfortunately).

[round parrot]

Lore chat question: What is a woolly manta?
I've seen some references from it but never got a full picture

[nimble ingot]

The LoreChat mascot (not canon/native to the world of Sky), that is a loving and adorable character.
Legend has it that the creature came from the wispy hairs of the Bearhugging Spirit's beard (the general headcanon).

[frozen harness]

i got a question a few days ago but now i have forgotten it

proof that ancestors had wings (?

[nimble ingot]

Capes, yes.
Wings that let them fly, debatable.

[slim plume]

Pretty sure Alasdair said that the one wedge was a bug and that spirits who have capes shouldn't have that one wedge too /lh

[nimble ingot]

The wedges in capes is a curious detail, that is understandable.
Especially to season guide having more wedges (about five if I recall correctly).

[slim plume]

Really? I thought I only ever saw one on Performance

Maybe two, but my memory's faulty and I'm not sure oh no

[blazing nova]

it probably goes something like "to show a cape, the character must have WL > 0" in the code and is too fragile to make a special case

[slim plume]

That's what I was thinking too. Since capes are really based off of how they work on our sky kids, the code for putting a cape on a spirit would at least have to have one wedge for it to show to us

[frozen harness]

so in code pov, cape are from skykids not spirits

[nimble ingot]

The Granny, Sanct guide and Assembly guide have these wedges as well.
Spirits without capes, naturally would not be able to show these wedges. Even if the wedges being visible would be considered to be a bug.

[slim plume]

Damn, I'll have to pay attention more to the wedges then. I always just thought that every spirit's cape (regardless of them being a normal spirit or a past season guide) had only one wedge

[frozen harness]

are the ancestors still there when the first skykid was born?

[slim plume]

Perhaps. Pointing candlemaker's memories show a kid in it that looks similar to us (I think fallen from the sky too, delit if my memory's correct?). I haven't relived their memories in awhile though, just got this info from the lore vets in chat

[round parrot]

Well, I'd assume, yes, because in the pointing candle maker memory shows a star falling down, and said ancestor found it, though it doesn't have hair, but that might be an inconsistency (or they haven't fully manifested their light)

[lean kayak]

I thought the wedge was more like energy/light amd that the spirits couldnt exist without some source of energy/light. Like they'd die without a wedge, just like us when we run out

[stark quarry]

Alright lore peeps sorry for bothering but i find this official sky art

Does this mean its canon that prarie elder is the tallest and biggest?

[slim plume]

Ancestors/Spirits work differently to us skykids. How, we don't know, but if we used that logic on the spirits who don't have capes then we shouldn't be able to even interact with them (I don't mean this in a mean way btw! ). I think spirits are moreso petrified and have bits of light to project themselves for us to see. This light probably comes from when they were still alive, just at a lesser extent as they're, well, not alive

[slim plume]

Elder heights are prone to changing from cutscenes to better fit the frame they're seen in (See: literally every model of Night/Vault Elder). I have a height comparison photo here (with a chibi for point of reference) and that's probably as close as we'll get.
Also, the image isn't mine so if anyone knows who made the photo it'd be very much appreciated if you could tell me so that I can credit them here

[lean kayak]

Wasteland's smol head

[slim plume]

Vault Elder's models can range from being barely near the Valley Elders' heights to being only a spirit's heights. The Prophecy Guide is also almost as tall as the Valley Elders, and not to mention the height changes that Wasteland, Prairie, and Valley go through when you summon them in Orbit for their Ultimate Gifts (Wasteland and Prairie get smaller, the Twins get taller)

Tl;dr: Elder heights are very inconsistent across different models and are prone to changing wherever you summon them

[rigid mural]

Could also be to show what the stars look like once you wear them !

[sharp lichen]

Prairie Elder uses their jars as stilts

[eternal totem]

Wasn't it Ushering Stargazer that found the child?

[azure tendon]

Ok so question has the eye of Eden been there all along or did someone created it?

[sharp lichen]

I think someone created all the darkness, since I’m the Switch Trailer, we see a peaceful, light-filled version of the Eye of Eden

[azure tendon]

Yes! I think that The King created the Eye of Eden [As we can see in a painting before going into the second rock storm] to capture all the darkness but things got out of control and it started to absorb stars [Also in the image]

I think this because iirc The King created the blue stones [Idr how are they called]

[waxen dragon]

Wasn't there a piece of dialogue about something or someone reaching too far for the light
Could be related too but I'm also very in the dark about the lore half the time

[azure tendon]

Yeah maybe but I think that it was Also The King [he grabbed more that he can chew sort of thing]

[waxen dragon]

Yaya would make sense
Man
What a guy this king dude is

[azure tendon]

No one know

[waxen dragon]

Nah nah I'm being sarcastic like
"This king dude is kinda weirdchamp"

[azure tendon]

Oh hahah

[sharp lichen]

An interesting tidbit is that the first Shattering text seem to imply that Eden falling was a collective task, instead o fjust one person, because of the use of "we"

[eternal totem]

SS is buff, I mean they do carry a whole stone lamp

[slate saffron]

It could be in reference to the civilization itself rather then some specific group or organization, like how one might use it in reference to climate change "we must reduce co2 emissions" & all that 🕴️

[slim plume]

To be fair it could just be their model, but...

That's the boring answer

[violet sundial]

Yo

[violet sundial]

I feel like they could and would pick up Botanist and hurl them off the treehouse like an emo sack of potatoes.

Speaking of scold and botanist. Look at these fabulous drawings me and a friend made on whiteboard like a year ago

[hushed steeple]

@violet sundial

This is my hc/guidline of how SkyKids age/mature

Newborns
less than a year old (0-1 stars).
They are raised by Newborn Caretakers and anyone else that pitches in.
They are incredibly fragile. Their skin has not yet hardened to withstand the fickle nature of the winds. Since their skin is so thin, they need constant warmth to survive, preferably skin-to-skin contact.
Newborns are, well, newborns. They cannot fend for themselves. They depend on their Caretakers to protect and care for them as needed.

Fledglings
about one to two years old (1-2 stars).
At this age, they start to walk, run, communicate, etc.
They also have been given their first cloak and are learning to at least glide in the Isle of Dawn or the Daylight Prairie.

Moths
are two to five years old (2-5 stars).
This is the age where they leave their caretakers in hopes to find their “guardian”.
Guardians are Skykids who essentially fill in the role of a parent.

**Adolescents **
are five to ten years old (5-10 stars).
By this time, they would have seen all the Kingdom has to offer.
But they are incredibly independent and no longer need a guardian.
On the eve of their twelfth birthday, they undergo their ‘’coming of age” trial.

Veterans
Ten years and older (10 stars and up)
the most mature, or the “adults” of Skykids.
The way you can tell is that there is something off about them… as if part of their childishness was taken away.
Another way is their appearance: veterans have cosmetics that mimic the Spirits as well as the Ancestors and the Elders.
They often also have a Moth clinging to them.
They can not physically age further.

[violet sundial]

Interesting! I don’t really have much to say except this is super neat

[hushed steeple]

something that I absolutely love are parent/child relationships as well as found/chosen families

[ashen gale]

I have lately begun wondering if the red energy coming from eden isn't somehow related to the progressive reincarnations skykids go through
As though everyone was killed at some point in the past by some spectacular catastrophe, but have somehow continued to live on as light creatures metabolizing darkness

[hushed steeple]

overloading the Dark Diamond causing it to explode?

[ashen gale]

No idea about that, but it's constantly emanating energy

[violet sundial]

I’ve definitely had to think about how this would work a lot myself

I don’t really know what the deal is with the diamond exactly to be honest.. you’d think if the shards it spews across the kingdom are part of it eventually it’d be gone but it’s showing no sign of that whatsoever

I guess if the shards come from it it’s like the spirits tried to dissolve as much salt in water as possible but as the water cooled down the solution began to precipitate the excess salt as a solid because the amount they poured into it passed the point of saturation??? But its the diamond instead

I don’t think that analogy makes much sense but thinking in chemistry terms helps me sometimes

I guess it would be like them trying to compress absolutely MASSIVE amounts of darkstone into a single diamond and it worked but eventually the diamond couldn’t take it anymore and decompressed and it went Boom

[ashen gale]

My hypothesis is that the red energy coming from eden is not darkness but some manner of energetic fusion of light and dark, similar to what is represented by the iconography on the front door of the hidden forest temple
People gathered darkness and light in its various condensed forms and brought it together to create energy

[violet sundial]

There’s definitely been some theories on what the eden explosion was actually like here. I think maybe ask Slink about it if you can catch them in the chat at somepoint ik theyve got some ideas about it

[violet sundial]

Ohhh like how the power diamonds are compressed darkstone infused with light energy sapped from creatures?

[ashen gale]

And this is a process which perpetuates itself, consuming more
No idea about the power diamonds, I wasn't sure how to speculate on them

but the reason I've come to this conclusion is because of how we reincarnate
There is a body which is more or less dark material which is animated and powered by a light spirit

[violet sundial]

Well basically thats what they are as far as I’m aware? The treasure reef is some sort of production facility for diamonds. The forest temple is also one

[ashen gale]

and for whatever arcane reason this gives us a flame at our core which we can then use to ignite other things
and to consume darkness and absorb light

Eden is just like what is at the core of every skykid, but bigger

The other reason I'm speculating in this direction is because the world we explore is teeming with darkness -and- light, but neither seems to directly harm the other

[violet sundial]

Well, Dark Plants do seem to trap light creatures in them.

[ashen gale]

kinda but they don't uniquely flourish from it
I'm not actually sure what darkness grows from besides dead living things

[violet sundial]

I think darkness plants specifically just trap light and don’t consume much of it tbh

Which is disturbing because if the dark plant next to the end of Fainting warrior’s memory trapped what was left of their light we’re casually collecting their remains for our candle run 💀

[ashen gale]

... Hmm wait
what if the big eden diamond is just like the power diamonds you see everywhere
this would make the repeating icons of diamonds below being powered by flame and then shooting a pillar of light into the sky and creating stars all the more meaningful

[violet sundial]

That could be it, since they’re made from darkstone and the whole deal w shard eruptions

[keen shore]

OOOOOO I never connected these two things together… plus the Eden mural showing light radiating out from the diamond — I always thought the stars were an added effect to make it look more shiny, but hmmm… you might be onto something

[violet sundial]

The stars fell so we made new ones ourselves (we all died )

[slim plume]

The king pulled a whoopsie trying to re-ascend themselves and their people back to Orbit confirmed /j

[violet sundial]

WAIT

I just realized. The doors in the forest’s first area could be symbolic then. That absolutely blows my mind???? Help???????

[slim plume]

Istg the biggest lore hints are always in the architecture. It's always the visual designs

[keen shore]

My brain is scattered and for some reason the concept of yelp reviews for the Eden Diamond as like, a tourist site have popped into my head. Help

[violet sundial]

JAHHAJSJSHHSJD

“Please help i’m stuck under a rock and everyone is dead. 1 star review never going here again :/“

[frigid tinsel]

Diamond symbol shows up a lot in Forest

[keen shore]

YEAHHHH THE DIAMOND SYMBOLS ARE SO COOL, I like that they’re a sign describing the area as a refinery that you don’t notice at first!

[violet sundial]

Yee
I meant with the first area door in particular though. Lemme explain rq

The diamond u have to light to open it (unless you like flying thru the gap in the middle as I do ) shoots up a beam up light that goes up to a second diamond that flips once the door opens, and stars light up all over the actual gate/door…..

its so Big Brain. I love those small lil details in games they’re just Real Neat

[keen shore]

“I would give this place zero stars if I could. The food is awful and burns my mouth when I eat it. I thought it would taste like cherry candy but all it tastes like is frostbite and I think I’m going to die. I know people always make fun of Vault food but this is even worse than I expected. There is no view, it was all obscured by this weird storm that appeared out of nowhere and keeps flinging up rocks in my direction. After all my hard work of climbing up here I almost got knocked down the mountain entirely by this massive shockwave. I don’t know if they’re trying to make the experience more dramatic or immersive, but whatever it is I don’t like it. My friend just died in front of me. The ambulance boats are refusing to come. Please don’t come here”

[violet sundial]

A bit random, but… Honestly lore and my own lore/ocs is probably the only thing keeping me in the game??? Also these kinds of details cus it shows how much thought has gone into producing the game

I am Increasingly Frustrated with TGC as a company for Reasons

[violet sundial]

This is great on so many levels

And also makes me wonder how Vault food is like… is it like the Bland Flavorless Stuffy Mayo Potato Food of Sky…….

[keen shore]

It’s all prepackaged stuff bc no one inside can cook beyond usage of a microwave, nor do they have time to

[violet sundial]

AHHSHSHSHHSH

Greeting Shaman would not be happy imo

[slim plume]

"Don't listen to this review! After you die you get a really pretty guided tour of heaven with all the dead spirits inhabiting the realms beside you. Sometimes, you can also call down the Elders! Make sure not to do it too often to Forest, they smacked me so hard one time that I immediately went into the Orbit portal after repeatedly summoning them even though they were already summoned. 10/10 would die to visit again.

P.S. Probably will die again."

[keen shore]

Greeting Shaman is there because they’re trying to teach everyone how to cook and also what spices are

[keen shore]

AODJWODJDJFN Eden review from an ancestor vs Eden review from a skykid

[slim plume]

SOMEBODY MAKE THAT OMG BAHSVSVJGDFS

[violet sundial]

I feel like they’re able to tell when Mangoes are good or not. I personally can’t because i’ve never had Actually Fresh mango but ik they’re not supposed to be as… buttery…

[keen shore]

Mine was supposed to be from ancestor pov I’m trying to think of what I can do to make it more obvious

[frigid tinsel]

been thinking that the Vault would have an indoor greenhouse that would grow fresh fruits & vegetables, maybe flowers on occasion, but other than that food in the Vault would likely be imported and/or pre-packaged, requiring little preparation.

[slim plume]

Imagine if the meecrowavées malfunction/burn down because someone put the spice bag in with the setting too high

[violet sundial]

Shaman doesn’t know how to use a microwave

[keen shore]

Everyone is too busy researching nerd things to make time for cooking beyond like, sticking frozen stuff in microwaves and going back to what they were doing while it heats up. The more dedicated members eat things still frozen and completely dry uncooked packaged ramen, which they just barely dip in boiling water before eating

[slim plume]

The real reason why the upper levels of vault are decimated

[violet sundial]

Oooh that would be really cool. I really want to see more areas of vault that are like… gardens/aquariums? I feel like the preservation of Light Creatures (or at least the knowledge of their existence/behaviors) would be a decently big concern for the scholars of Vault??

[frigid tinsel]

relevant fic exerpt – nonperishables don't have to taste bad

[keen shore]

I KNOW RIGHT?? I’ve been wanting it for ages, praying for a seasonal expansion on basegame vault that revolves around stuff like that. Would kill for like, a massive chill room with aquariums and plants

[violet sundial]

I think a moth/butterfly sanctuary in vault would be cool. Though they might be projections since the scholars assigned to build/care for it know they would probably not be around to maintain the place forever, and without constant care everything might just. Die.

[frigid tinsel]

it could be in ruins that skykids restore. maybe the Vault scholars hoped they would be able to maintain it forever or, at least, someone in the future could

[slim plume]

Maybe we could help build it back up and maintain it?

Here goes another fake season added to my list of art projects in procrastination

[violet sundial]

Actually, i really wanna make a spirit out of that…

[keen shore]

I also really like the idea of mantas in vault that were trained to carry around memory lanterns and sometimes people from level to level when the elevator got too crowded. everyone has their own manta with their own name

[frigid tinsel]

Private jets? Nah, private mantas

[violet sundial]

OKOK hear me out. Idk if you guys have the time but if you all would be willing we should make a fanseason together???? Would be Fun even if nothing polished comes out of it

[slim plume]

YESYESYEWSYYEYYSYE OMG

[frigid tinsel]

I don’t really got the time on top of my other projects and chronic fatigue

[keen shore]

There’s both a hospital section in vault (bc of all the knowledge there n proximity to Eden) and a veterinary hospital for all the mantas

I might drop some ideas but idk if I can like, draw concepts or do anything complex for it

[slim plume]

I can come up with sketches of cosmetic and emote concepts, I think I'm good with those. Also the season symbol

[violet sundial]

Yee thats fine!

[slim plume]

I'd be fine with coming up with spirits too, unless anyone else wants to take over with that?

[violet sundial]

I saw Someone else Here. Hello.

Ok but if We’re actually doing this i wanna settle on whether its an aquarium or a garden first

[frigid tinsel]

why not both?

[slim plume]

WAS LITERALLY ABOUT TO SAY THE SAME THING

[placid blaze]

uhh why do sky kids puts their hand on the wall when they are really close to it?

[ashen gale]

most importantly in this image is that the blue crystals come from below and the yellow from above if I remember right
and once both crystals combine, they merge to form one big crystal
ye I copied it

[frigid tinsel]

lmao that’s literally my picture I just posted

[violet sundial]

I’d assume it’s just part of the system in place to make skykids feel more lively in general. It could mean something as well, but I’m not really sure.

[ashen gale]

this was part of how I took the idea that something is important about combining darkness and light in this universe

[frigid tinsel]

kids like touching stuff, that’s how they explore the world. skykids wouldn’t be exempt from entertaining their curiosities

[white junco]

do you not put ur hand on a wall that you're standing close to?

[untold drum]

Sky: Children of the Darkness when?

[placid blaze]

no-

[violet sundial]

Like, an underwater garden? That would be really cool

[white junco]

wait actually this reminds me i had a rough season idea a bit ago where you venture into true darkness to retrieve souls that had wandered down there and were damaging the darkness, would explore the balance of light and dark in the world a little more

[slim plume]

Or a garden with a water enclosure as the wall (like an aquarium but the empty floor is a garden)

Hold on I need to start sketching concepts words ain't gonna be enough-

[keen shore]

Will only accept having to choose one of the other two are also implied seasons that also exist. My vote is on aquarium right now, though… imagine a huge section of vault where the walls are massive glass aquariums full of glowing fish, and maybe a library inside

[ashen gale]

amusingly in the other game Cloud you fly around in the sky gathering dark and light clouds and dragging them together to mutually annihilate to produce rain so it can fall back to earth

Maybe here it's the opposite

This also makes the ending cutscene way more significant before your rebirth
Where you are literally light and dark rejoining

[violet sundial]

I also kinda like the idea of a… like, above water garden? With lots of diff kinds of plants, cus while we do kinda get to see the life underwater in Treasure Reef and Sanctuary there’s not really as much variety on the surface as far as the plants we get to see, especially compared to what we’ve seen from the Animation project (and the switch trailer assuming they are one in the same) i think an underwater one would work just fine as well. I think my choice just boils down to my personal preference idk

[slim plume]

I'm sketching smthn hold on-

[violet sundial]

Also, lepidopterist/aurelian scholar is something i’d really love to do though it wouldn’t have to be within this idea

[slim plume]

Omg why is sky so traditional-artist-phobic /j

[violet sundial]

Also something to consider for the spirits, how would they have interacted with the life they attempted to preserve? Would they have interacted with the creatures directly? Or would they have been looking at them from a distance, taking care of the place based on how it’s doing from a calculated/objective standpoint?

I think that fundamentally changes how the spirits would be designed. Especially when you look at designs like that of the Light Whisperer compared to someone like… Lively Navigator? I’m struggling to think of a good example…

As in, if they’re working directly with the creatures, they might dress to resemble them and therefore make the job easier. Like Light Whisperer’s bird cape. Whereas if it’s the latter they would likely have capes that lean away from creature theming. This could also apply to some spirits while it does not for others based on their jobs as well but overall i do feel that’s something to think about.

Also if the season connects to any particular existing season, (I would assume if so it would be Flight or mayyybe Lightseekers. Possibly another one too, but I don’t remember off the top of my head….) how could the motifs of said season be tied into this one to make the connection more clear visually?

[slim plume]

Here

[violet sundial]

That’s definitely a LOT to think about and this is intended to be just for fun, to be fair, so I don’t think all those things need to be worried about too much (especially since Sky’s canon seasons have absolutely settled for a simpler design process, particularly with Sanctuary) but I did wanna bring up those details anyways cus I think it’d be nice if we could think abt it

[violet sundial]

Oooh! So it’s like a garden on the outside with aquarium tanks to hold the aquatic life?

[slim plume]

It's very minimalistic currently, but I'd imagine that as you completed more quests, it'd flourish with different flaura and more known fauna in the aquarium

Also, because I'm a creature lover, perhaps as you finish the final quest a new light creature shows up. Maybe they're amphibian and appear both in the garden and the aquarium

[violet sundial]

That’d be cool! I remembered something that I think would be useful for this by the way. It’s an irl place that could help us get a better feel for these kinds of places ykyk

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosphere_2

[slim plume]

LOOK WHAT I FOUND

[violet sundial]

And i try to find more on irl vivariums and all i find is a stupid horror movie i hate the internet sometimes

I mainly brought that up cus I think it can give us a better understanding of how these kinds of things Actually Operate

[slim plume]

Gonna hold off sketching to complete dailies rq

[violet sundial]

Hope the rabbit hole is deep enough to do that

Also shoot i still need to relive Forester

And eat. I have not. Eaten lunch yet and it is currently 3 in the afternoon i really shouldn’t neglect myself like that

[keen shore]

Sometimes I forget to eat at all until really late dw about it

[slim plume]

I can't say much, I procrastinate exercising and because I exercise before I eat I either exercise and then eat or eat because I'm too lazy

[violet sundial]

Alr alr i’ll. Go now. If ya’ll brainstorm/draw up anything ping me so i can check it out when i get back (though this chat is usually slow enough that stuff doesn’t get buried too much )

[keen shore]

I keep thinking this says I need to relive firestar… Daydream Firestar…

[sharp lichen]

sure! I had an idea for a lore-basd sequel to Gratitude

[violet sundial]

oooh. Help i need to go but i dont wannaaaaaa. Also we did alr come up with another idea for this one but i’d be down to help with that more, or explore that idea instead if thats what the others wanna do if ur ok w that

[sharp lichen]

Would you like to hear about my Gratitude sequel?

[violet sundial]

I have to go do something again but i’ll read whatever you post when i return am very happy to listen

[tepid veldt]

id love to hear just got out of school i want my lore juices recharged

[austere bridge]

I’d like to think that skids are made of cooled star guts, and that the flame just won’t cool

[violet sundial]

When….. tell usss ooog

YES

Also. The emoji in the channel desc…. i only noticed it now

[sharp lichen]

Season of Rekindling (or Gratitude 2 if you so choose)

Premise: A chill exploration-based season that’s about returning to the past, in more ways then one. For example, some ideas from Light Awaits are here

Season Area: the Forgotten Aviary. This is similar to the Aviary from Light Awaits, but simpler and ruined. The Sleepy Traveler transports you there from the merchant boat, and builds a small trading post. There are 4 statues (similar to Home from early Light Awaits), resembling the Sassy Drifter, Stretching Guru, Provoking Performer, and Leaping Dancer. As the quests progress, the eyes for the statues glow (cyan for Sassy, green for Guru, orange for Performer, and blue for Dancer). A meditation spot opens up, allowing you to travel to new areas. The Saluting Protector and Greeting Shaman appear as you complete the quests, relaxing in the Aviary. Think of how the Lightseekers interact in the Days of Bloom: the Greeting Shaman lies down when you’re far away, and salutes you when you leave. The Greeting Shaman uses the hand fist to greet you and levitates along with you. Once you complete all the quests, the Aviary is restored (but not too much so that it lags), and a new space appears above the Aviary, a combination of the Orbit area and the Isle Elder. The Gratitude Guide resuides there.
Realms from Long Past: There are four realms from long past: Forgotten Isle, Forgotten Prairie, Forgotten Forest, and Forgotten Valley. First, the Forgotten Isle is a smaller version of the early Light Awaits introduction sequence, with the caves and the endless ocean above a shrine. (A condensed version of 1:22 to 3:11 is what I was thinking of). However, there are giant floating boulders, similar to the ones before the Trial of Air (although much larger). There are murals on these boulders showing 7 small figures being given 4 colored elements by 4 large figures in a cave. At the very top, you find Sassy Drifter, who points at Skykids and hangs around. (Part 1)

https://youtu.be/x9fUowLYbM8 (1:22 to 3:11)

[violet sundial]

That video scares me honestly??? The walking system is so cumbersome 😭

Sounds cool so far though I’m like. Hungry and can’t Brain oops

Actually i just had random thought, what happens if a Skykid drops their candle and loses it? Or gets too far away from it. The candle is the same thing as our light core since the core disappears whenever we take our candle out… skykids are meguca confirmed????/j

[sharp lichen]

Next up is the Forgotten Prairie. It's similar to the Butterfly Fields in tone and atmosphere, but with large, rolling hills. At the top of a hill resides the Stretching Guru, who yawns and stretches after a while and laughs when you do an emote. If you explore further, you'll find a mural showing the Gratitude Spirits using the Elemental Lights to build each Realm from Long Past and the Aviary being founded.

The Forgotten Forest is smaller cramped version of the Hidden Forest. Instead of rain, there is smoke and fog that makes it difficult to see far, and there are fungal plants and peaceful crabs similar to the one found in the Switch Trailer. Finally, a bridge leads to the Provoking Performer, who tries to do a lot of emotes to impress you, and gets angry when you leave. If you light all the lanterns, a building appears which houses some more murals; it shows the Aviary falling, causing the Gratitude spirits to escape to the Sky realms we know. It shows them looking for the Prophets, but to no avail.

[violet sundial]

Those crabs were peaceful??? I thought they were at least a little dangerous huh!

[sharp lichen]

The Forgotten Valley is nothing like the base game counterpart. Instead, it's a series of rivers and streams similar to the first Valley part and the Ice Rink, like an unfrozen version of Valley. The Ice Rink is replaced by a lake, with the Leaping Dancer residing on an island on the lake. They jump around, do a handstand, and do mini-performances when you're there. Beneath the lake resides the final murals, which shows the Gratitude Spirits scattering within Isle-Vault and the Sleepy Traveler returning to the Home area.

Final cutscene: Once you visit the Gratitude Guide, the cutscene plays. It shows the Prophets and Prophecy Guide meeting the Gratitude Spirits in a warm reunion. The Prophets want to invite them to the Prophecy Cave, but the Gratitude Spirits are so happy in the Aviary that they want to stay here. Eventually, the Prophets agree and leave, and the Gratitude Spirits thank you for helping them.

Lore: An extremely long time ago, the Gratitude spirits met with the Prophets, who gave them the Elemental Lights. They traveled with the Sleepy Traveler and found a strange new land, now known as the Forgotten Aviary. They developed the area and built four worlds- four pocket dimensions, mirroring the trials. The first 4 gratitude spirits created one Realm of Long Past each, and they resided in it. However, once the stars fell and darkness reached the Aviary, they abandoned it and looked for the Prophets. But they were nowhere to be seen, and the Gratitude Spirits scattered. Since they ascended in the first Season of Gratitude, they've spent their time relaxing in the Forgotten Aviary.

[violet sundial]

Yoo cool!

[livid crypt]

I relayed community sentiment about the anticipated DoR charity announcement to CMs. I know they pay attention but it seemed worth asking. It's an issue that's important to me on a personal level, and I know it is for an enormous number of community members too. I know they're working hard to get it right for the community, I know their hearts are in it, and honestly I hope for a public announcement sooner than an answer to my question because we're all invested!

[keen shore]

thank you so much! We really appreciate it! 💛

[tepid veldt]

just so were on the same page, the community didnt like that tgc didnt tell us what charity the DoR money was going to, and alex asked about it?

[livid crypt]

we're all expecting an announcement about what charity or charities are involved, and a dollar amount, since that's what we've seen in the past. DoR came later than expected, and the announcement seems later than expected too

[tepid veldt]

ohh i see, thank you struggles to find the bow emote

[rigid mural]

Low on words rn but thank you so much for going out of your way to ask them !

[tepid veldt]

actually farming for a cape that i really like? what is that!?

i would add the rest of the crew but what should they be doing

this was fun

[pastel brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593565781166391316/832872714967842826/Untitled90_20210416150354.png

[rigid mural]

Naihho 💙

[violet sundial]

I just realized my name doesn’t work as a skykid name if the consonant-vowel rule holds true💀

[untold notch]

what's the rule

[keen shore]

It does though! The rule is just alternating vowel-consonants. My name also works (as well as Salami)

[untold notch]

slommy...

[tepid veldt]

ah
my real name would work. is there a certain minimum for letters?

[keen shore]

This is my skykid oc Salami they like to ask the whisperers for piggyback rides

[austere bridge]

oh no! my discord name doesn't work

[violet sundial]

You’re right about Luka, but I also go by Lilith and i like that name specifically for my skysona because like…. I need a moment brb

[tepid veldt]

my sona is…also called iydll lmao. my old skysona’s name is quinn, which also doesnt work…
goes through all of my ocs two work - eragol and, funnily enough, luca

[keen shore]

my currently favorite valid skykid name is Lucifer bc it could totally work in universe and it’s so funny

[austere bridge]

i would pick zephyr for a skysona/skid name, since, yk
but that doesn't work either

[untold notch]

notos or eurus would work

[keen shore]

Eurus wouldn’t 😔

[violet sundial]

Kanaya maryam is almost a valid skykid name

[untold notch]

I'm tired and forgot what letters are vowels

[violet sundial]

Which is terrifying. I wonder if i can find any homestuck characters with a valid skykid full name

[tepid veldt]

getting nostalgia for my first friend in sky. auto generated name: Erohaxo still pretty

[keen shore]

Firepaw works

[austere bridge]

do any of the other loreheads have any ideas regarding something similar to this
i have trouble naming my characters something that doesn't start w/ either a or z since the main chars in a worldbuilding project have those and i think about them a lot

[violet sundial]

I found one if you consider Y a vowel

[tepid veldt]

lets say yes for now

[untold notch]

tell us

[austere bridge]

for now, let's say it is
since i think zephyr is a cool word, i think it is

[violet sundial]

Terezi pyrope

[round parrot]

Hello lore chat! Been lurking and I kinda wanna step in with the name topic

[keen shore]

I honestly have no clue RIP

[tepid veldt]

myst! hiya i really should turn in myself rjfjrjfj

[untold notch]

kagamine len is a valid skykid name

[violet sundial]

AKHSHSHHSHS IT IS 💀

[keen shore]

You can be sneaky and be like, since ph is a singular sound it counts as a single letter in this universe

[austere bridge]

people must think i'm insane
i'm singing bill wurtz music 💀

[untold notch]

zefyr idk

[round parrot]

What are the rules when naming a Skykid

I just name my Skykids: Idiot #1, Idiot #2, and so on so forth (depending on the amount of Sky OCs I have)

[austere bridge]

ik it's literally barely changed, but for some i love that spelling sm

[violet sundial]

Megurine Luka

I feel like a good fraction of japanese names would work honestly? Since japanese spelling is already well fit to the rule

[untold notch]

I am too tired to go find the butterfly keeper picrew but I'm naming them hana

[keen shore]

Basically just alternating consonants and vowels. Y is a free letter and can count as either (ie. Myu)

[violet sundial]

I mean, even the writing systems work. Hiragana and Katakana are both valid skykid names. kanji is not. Good that stuff is accursed and horrifyingly complicated to learn

[round parrot]

Is Flynn a valid Skykid name?

[violet sundial]

Uhhhh probably not but honestly I wouldn’t get too hung up over trying to make ur names fit the rule????

[keen shore]

Kitty skykid names: Ocelot, Caracal, Tiger, Cat

I also count names as valid if they mostly fit the rule, but have two consonants or two vowels next to each other only once, because the name sometimes generates those as well: Margay, Serval, Lion

[round parrot]

Understood, thanks for the advice

[keen shore]

YEAH, it’s more of a joke thing than anything else. Vela uses it for their skykids’ noun names but it shouldn’t be considered as like. You can’t make skykids with any other name and have them be canon type of thing

[violet sundial]

Coming from a section of a fandom where there’s a lot of community pressure to pay close attention to the design “rules” of what’s canon its really not worth stressing over

[untold notch]

the world is your clam do whatever mostly

[frigid tinsel]

My main skykids are named Naihho and Amander, do whatever the hell you want

[keen shore]

Nyander my beloved

[untold notch]

whatever ensures the success of your water-based transportation vehicle

[violet sundial]

I’ve actually still kinda been thinking of renaming my ocs bc of the rule though

[round parrot]

Just asking because I am generally bad at naming my OC Skykids

[untold notch]

this phrase has been sitting in my head for So Long and I'm so glad I finally had a good way to use it

[frigid tinsel]

Wanting to joke about the thing that I guessed correctly for why Amander gets cat behavior

[keen shore]

They met me <3

[violet sundial]

Okok long story short i think i alr said this but the way i named them means their names often end up being the names of irl places unintentionally and I wanna change their names a teeeny tiny bit so that’s not as noticable

[keen shore]

Most of my interaction with the name rule is telling my friends stuff like “Texas is a valid skykid name”

[frigid tinsel]

Amander I just ripped the a off the end of Amanda and added an er, that’s totally valid

[keen shore]

Hmm,

[violet sundial]

Such as Deoni idk if i have any good drawings of her though. She’s probably one of my favorite sky ocs because I just feel like she’s. Very unique in a way and people call her scary and ugly occasionally

[frigid tinsel]

I’ve typed Amander more than Amanda that my autocorrect caught me

[violet sundial]

The Skrunkly

I really wish i had more drawings of her but like. The way i draw her changes really quickly. Like REALLY quickly. Also brb so i can get in game pics of her

[keen shore]

ONHH I LOVE HER FACE AND HORNS

[frigid tinsel]

Oh what a scrubkly

[violet sundial]

There we go

[round parrot]

Interested to see what is very unique about your OC

[violet sundial]

Part of it is just her design, i feel like shaman mask designs are already pretty rare. Specially feminine ones ykyk

• scold braids are also Kind of Rare to see on most folks ocs though yk

OKOK inhales

So basically she’s a botanist along with her adoptive guardian figure. She’s part of a tribe of skykids that lives on the side of the Eden mountain who have a really really deep connection with Light Creatures. Like moreso than the average skykid

And basically she spends her days going out and scaling the mountainside in search of interesting specimens for her to take back home (thats why i gave her the bloom teaset, imagine it as like a backpack full of plants, mushrooms and tools) She’s very good at climbing cus of her job.

She also has a brother who. Uh. Ran away from the village and never came back and it weighs on her mind a lot. She wishes she’d spent more time with him when he was still there

on another note about her some fun stuff (will add more as i try to dig into my brain attic)

• she’s a good cook, but only if its done by the book. She can’t really measure by the feel of something and she’s prone to forgetting about stuff unless she tries to give herself reminders
• if she had a favorite video game it would definitely be Flower
• she’s the Vegetable garbage disposal of her friend group. She will happily eat the unwanted veggies from your food.
• she’s learning to draw and is pretty decent at it. Mostly for sketching unfamiliar specimens
• she has many different sets of ribbons for her hair. One of them is a deeply cherished gift from one of the apprentices of the village’s tailors.
  -i think she herself could be considered an apprentice to her caregiver

[raw crypt]

OH I ADORE HER

[violet sundial]

That’s all i can really think of atm for her. Canonically i think she has ADHD as much as a skykid can because I like to make characters that are like me

Will try to draw her more once I figure out my shaman mask style crisis JSHSHHSHSH

[keen shore]

I WANT TO BE FRIENDS W HER she sounds so kind

[violet sundial]

Awww She’s very epic

Also i think she would be unable to remember anyone’s birthday but her own. It’s not like a “she doesn’t care thing” but the dates just never stick

[keen shore]

Why are you making this oc so relatable worjwoeifjfn

[violet sundial]

Because i can and i want to

though i just. Love making those little details. It makes my characters feel more lively, though honestly sometimes i feel like i don’t have a very solid base for them in a way ykyk

ALSO this woould absolutely be a Deoni thing ough 💜

I need to go hop on sky to help celebrate a friend’s birthday but do ya’ll wanna hear more about her and the others in the future? I’m sososSO glad ya’ll like her

Will do! Also i’d love to share more worldbuilding for her tribe too eventually cus its neat

[pastel brook]

give peas a chance, brah

[violet sundial]

Deoni’s probably eaten more peas in her lifetime than you have Skybot silence.

[raw crypt]

also late response to some warliwr stuff but i love seeinb fanseason ideas and the like, always so fun, had one a while back myself that i still kinda enjoy, idk i iust love seeing creative sky works in general HNBHDDM

[rain pond]

LORECHAT WAKE UP

NEW SHATTERING LORE DROPPED

[noble ferry]

beeg krill
can't wait for the poem to drop soon

[hushed steeple]

i know this probably doesn’t mean anything lore-wise, but-
the inside of the big energy crystal is very dark, despite of how much light it emits

[noble ferry]

i really like the effect inside the crystal
reminds me of that one eden oob where everything is white like ash
it is an interesting effect

[hushed steeple]

it’s also kinda like effect in the oob right behind the reborn gate, but that one is just white

[copper saffron]

Ah yes, lorechat boutta go ham

[noble ferry]

did some fooling around, props also have the black effect
used a torch. lit the torch and no light
there still seems to be light from a skykid's eyes, diamond, crab accessory
holdon i'll send an image

[copper saffron]

I mean, it is darkness

[noble ferry]

some pictures i took
really neat how the diamond changes to lighter pink when looking outside it

[tame prairie]

I’m trying to create some stuff but I need descriptions of all the elders cutscenes and I can’t find any descriptions anywhere. And I’m really bad at describing them myself(I’m bad at describing things in general). Could someone help with this please?

[proper cosmos]

would like, videos of the cutscenes be helpful?

[tame prairie]

I guess kinda yeah I’d just have to figure out how to describe them

[noble ferry]

also spotted the tiny diamond in the big eden diamond in the memory that's similar to the one you can see when you clip the camera into the shattering guide but i fell, i'll try to get a picture

[rain pond]

is there perchance something above the diamond?

[proper cosmos]

physically, there is nothing above it that i found
it's kinda flat so you can stand up there

[rain pond]

ok

I have a new theory concerning the fate of the diamond

the krills got to it, and a severely overloaded battery got damaged

[trim yoke]

Your memory bugged btw lol

If you see a PNR diamond in your memory, it's a bug!
This is NOT a drill

[rain pond]

oh rip

[copper saffron]

Can confirm from beta, unless they changed it

[tame prairie]

I think there was a theory manta’s or other light creatures got corrupted and turned into the krills right?

[proper cosmos]

i'll start crying don't play games with me

[rain pond]

does anyone have a non-bugged ss?

[naive ore]

Mine was the same so im kinda doubting its a bug

[tame prairie]

I mean in writing form especially because what I’m writing is in second person

[trim yoke]

It's not changed, 95% of screenshots show no PNR diamond

[rain pond]

nah, i think TGC accidentally forgot to "hide" the PNR diamond in this memory - I have experienced this in my own 3D modelling

[proper cosmos]

there's also a theory that krills are machines designed to farm light

[noble ferry]

honestly i have no clue how they'd mess that up but alright

[trim yoke]

Take a wild guess how they could mess those sorts things up

[rain pond]

something as simple as forgetting to press a button will do that

[copper saffron]

This is completely possible, which means that the diamond will appear in a future memory
||it does||

[noble ferry]

[proper cosmos]

live players get a preview lets gOO

[rain pond]

i wanna discuss unreleased content but im not allowed to :(

[trim yoke]

I mean the memory bugged so y'all can ✨ theorise ✨

[proper cosmos]

you're low key high key kinda rude cosmos

[noble ferry]

fun headcanon, two memories got fused together somehow and now the bug happened
yeah that'll work for now

[trim yoke]

I'm not trying to be rude...
Another reason why I hate people persuming tone.
90% of the time I'm either talking in a neutral or a positive one.

[tame prairie]

Tone tags could help

[proper cosmos]

use tone tags then/gen

[rain pond]

as for the implications of the no shard,

there are no implications

[noble ferry]

so basically krills just vibing without commiting skykid violence

[rain pond]

i think they are trying to eat the WL

[trim yoke]

Some of these memories even in testing I didn't quite understand, like the krills seemed a little random unless there's some implications that theyd come from PNR before unleashing into eden and the other realms?

[noble ferry]

mmmmmmm winged light
what do winged light taste like, i wonder

[trim yoke]

However the manta migrations make sense in one sense, it could have a double meaning; migration through orbit, or a graveyard of those slaughtered for power crystals?

[rain pond]

it could be them getting jebaited into the diamond factory

[tame prairie]

Maybe it’s the original orbit but then they got tricked to going somewhere else so they could harvest their light?

[trim yoke]

I feel like if it's the rebirth option, they're probably flying through limbo to reach the light for orbit?

[rain pond]

i mean I had a theory that gold symbolized Orbit and thus it was used to jebait mantas (it looks like I hit the nail on the head)

[tame prairie]

Wasn’t that all light returned to mega bird? Like it lended to the being and when said being dies the light gets returned to mega bird

[rain pond]

they found a way to interrupt the natural cycle

[trim yoke]

Hmmmm maybe, but then we see those circling the void for orbit
Unless orbit represents megabird, I mean we do see them above us in orbit ✨

[tame prairie]

Yeah the way to orbit may be the way to mega bird
Like the light returning to it and the loop starting over

[frozen harness]

apparently they also hit mantas not just skykids

[glass pelican]

This is the first time I’ve stumbled here and in just 10 messages I’ve become more confused than when little prince sees adults being chained to their lives and habits

[proper cosmos]

if all wl are actually resh scattered across the kingdom, how come they got scattered and not reabsorbed into the megabird?

[rain pond]

WL are special

[proper cosmos]

in the krills path in golden wasteland it doesn't go after the wl

[frozen harness]

wings can also come from ancestors when you reborn

[tame prairie]

I mean as adult you are kinda chained to your life and habits it’s very hard to break that chain

[frozen harness]

so krill dont eat wl

[rain pond]

that's because they are no longer valid targets for the krill, it's like trying to eat ghosts - you don't get anything

[tame prairie]

They’re after moving beings with light (aka the manta and us

[trim yoke]

Oh btw just an FYI, YOU CAN'T STAND ON THEIR EYES, YOU FALL THROUGH THEM (MEMO4)

[frozen harness]

btw wl also appear in memories, which the skykids can still interact and pick up

[proper cosmos]

i personally agree with the theory that the wl in memories represent the king, cause why would the krill go after plain wl

[trim yoke]

when memories get fixed

Tbh in early beta there were no wings in memo 4, SOOOOOO, in this case memories have winged light as Easter eggs as a "here's a bonus reward"

[frozen harness]

still a place that don't really exist tho

[rain pond]

i mean the king could have shattered into the WL, that is a theory

[frozen harness]

or the memory is made by the eden, like the diamond can store memory

[rain pond]

I believe that the memories are caused by a diamond too

[proper cosmos]

if it's the diamond's memories then the wl could def be the king

[frozen harness]

i assume the core/eye of eden is a diamond made by ancestors but it failed so it exploded

[rain pond]

maybe the king got Gastered so that the WL show up in all layers of Sky reality, including frozen memories. Hence why WL appear in the Vault illusion

[frozen harness]

i don't really know who is the king but it sounds convincing

[night herald]

Oooohhhh

[noble ferry]

mildly relevant depiction of the king going bye bye, totally serious

[frozen harness]

i finally remembered a question i thought of few days ago
Whats outside of the clouds? (or whats outside of the sky kingdom)

[proper cosmos]

more clouds /j/nsrs

[rain pond]

possibly another continent with another kingdom - we know that the Skingdom did trade

[proper cosmos]

i always thought the realms traded amongst each other
i am obviously not thinking outside the box

[noble ferry]

i wonder if there were other kingdoms outside the sky kingdom

[rain pond]

I mean Enchantment spirits had to have a reason to come to the Sky world

[frozen harness]

so its a planet/world contains A LOT of high intelligence species

[rain pond]

not necessarily, they could have branched off from a Unified Ancestor species when the world was begun, in a similar way to how we all share a biological species and yet we do not all count as one nation

[proper cosmos]

i thought the enchantment spirits were just travelers and merchants from before the eden apocalypse/wasteland battle and their ship just got dunked on by the jagged rocks right before the area they're in

[young ledge]

the land outside the sky kingdom could be unexplored, or maybe dangerous,, maybe krill and krabs could have come from there?

[untold drum]

I like to think the Journey kingdom is somewhere on this planet

[young ledge]

an unrelated thought, but since it’s unlikely that the past spirits could fly, the flying race in the valley could’ve been for racing mantas

[rigid mural]

Had this wheelchair idea back in April !

[rain pond]

remote controlled manta

[eternal totem]

It definitely is, Backflip Champ is seen riding a manta in their memory (possibly during practice)

[young ledge]

i was thinking of it as more of a horse and carriage situation but I love this idea too
maybe they could even surf on mantas in the ocean

[frozen harness]

do elders still count as a live? or like a spirit/god that people pray for. I mean there is like temples for them

[floral grove]

Spirits have that blue (yellow if ascended) hue to them and a night sky pattern to their clothes so maybe not

Although, the Elders do share nearly the same appearance as unlit Sky Kids. Both the Elders and unlit Sky Kids turn gray so perhaps Elders in their present state are powerless due to the lack of worshippers/light

[outer hare]

Bobbit ^^

[floral grove]

It's kinda weird now that I think about it, as Elders have the ability to appear out of thin air in Orbit. This ability seems to be only possible for Spirits, despite the Elders showing much more visual similarities with unlit but alive Sky Kids compared to the colorful but dead Spirits

[outer hare]

New quest questions ||what are the krills looking at ? what triggering their red eyes?||

[frozen harness]

maybe the one who sent sky kids down is the one who created elders too (to guard the realms

[floral grove]

Krills are jelly cuz Sky Kids are perfect

[frozen harness]

probably an ancestor since its a memory (?)

[floral grove]

Wait, I forgot a new memory dropped

Damn I really said dropped like it's an album

[outer hare]

Also in the art after you press the adventure pass, there is a art of the eye in colours both red and blue, is blue an inactive state while red is an active one? Is this the eye in the future? will it fade out like the sun in our world?

[lean kayak]

I wonder ehat the difference between the blue and yellow diamonds are?

[gentle jolt]

So are there any going theories why the krills in the memory are so massive? Because I’m starting to think that, in a world where are the players are children, the enemy krills we encounter are also children

[lean kayak]

Nyanderthal (im sorry)

[round parrot]

Quite interesting how this is probably what it would sound like if you were to walk on a krill, never heard that sound effect anywhere else, took me a while to figure that out (||krill walking asmr||)

[tepid veldt]

when you havent relived the shard yet but accidentally got a ton of spoilers 😔 theyre unavoidable, i suppose

[round parrot]

I mean

"spoilers" in in the title

[tepid veldt]

dkfkrkfkefjfidjfjejd

[nimble ingot]

I don't think mobizen_20220819_163635.mp4, counts as a 'spoiler.'

[tepid veldt]

im just gonna go do the shard- oh wait its not active rn

[round parrot]

I meant this channel

[nimble ingot]

Agreed, thought that is sadly a thing of sky.
You either don't know and get surprised at every corner (good or bad)
Or you take a peek to know what to prepared for.

[nimble ingot]

spoiler in this channel means anything in live is permitted (including Eden).
Anything Beta related (specifically what has not yet been released in Live) is not permitted.

The use of Spoiler tags is a general curtesy.
What I presume iydll meant is they have not seen the new memory today in the game.

[tepid veldt]

alright have seen the new memory

iirc bells attract light creatures (such as the ones in sanc, the ones in prairie, etc.) from the new memory the krill are very close to what im assuming is the eden diamond. does the eden diamond attract krill in the same way bells attract light creatures?

(spoilers for anyone who hasnt seen it)

[noble ferry]

i've been told that for some reason, the eden diamond that's there isn't supposed be there
honestly don't know how that happens tbh

it is very cool though, can't wait for the poem

[frozen harness]

eden has been rising over the past years
probably it was underground

[rigid locust]

My theory is the Eden diamond was used to lure light creatures into thinking they were entering the light, as we see in orbit the light creatures are swarming around the light. To do this they must have used a huge darkstone witch would hold so much light the creatures were tricked. But the diamond must have somehow received too much light and been corrupted into the big red shard diamond we see today. We also know krill are attracted to light (from experience 🥲), using that logic the krills red light would probably be triggered by the red Diamond

Another Theory is the krill are swarming around the winged light, competing for it

But That’s just a theory, a SKY THEORY

[round parrot]

I don't really have the braincells to explain this, but I have a mini theory: What if the light creatures' light were still alive? It's just that they had to wait for a source of light? We obviously get recharged when light creatures interact with us, but what if we did the same to them?

Also Megabird on isle's portal arch (in the concept arts), what do you guys think it means?

[eternal totem]

Seems Mega Bird is on Prairie's & Forest too though, getting smaller & smaller until its non existent on Valley's arch. I think it signifies the Ancestors connection with the Light & Mega Bird, which was disconnected at one point

[round parrot]

In my opinion, I thought that the Megabird was slowly forgotten and replaced with the King

[nimble ingot]

I like that idea and agree.
Seeing how the Wasteland was the last realm in the game, that currently has the bird shrine, and Vault has little to no bird symbolism (except in Starlight Desert)

[eternal totem]

Yes, that's what I'm saying, the connection was severed to industrialization

Although I personally think They weren't forgotten despite that

[lean kayak]

Megabird is the king? 👀

[nimble ingot]

The King is the elder of Eden.
While the Megabird is the Bird of Light.

[lean kayak]

But isnnt that that the kings head/mask?

Why wouldnt the king be able to turn into megabird or the other way around?

[frozen harness]

exactly what im thinking

[violet sundial]

The King is not Megabird. If the statement they are a Sky Child based on the Prophecy murals hold true, then they are part of megabird, but not the whole.

[frigid tinsel]

Every being of light is a part of Megabird — at least the ones who have ascended to the Light — but yea they are not Megabird as a whole. Megabird is the whole or at least a product of the whole, the Light

[violet sundial]

Ok this is kinda random but i was thinking

Are skykids good at lying/hiding their feelings? I feel like they’d be worse at it than humans since they’re connected in a way we aren’t but i. Have been thinking about that. I think it would be helpful to know for story purposes

[frigid tinsel]

I suppose that if light is encoded with memories, maybe they could be encoded with present feelings as well. Granted there is still a need to express those feelings, but maybe when skykids share light, a shade of their sentiments pass through unintentionally.
This is just speculation, of course

[violet sundial]

Yeah ofc

I wanted to hear someone else’s thoughts cus its been on My Mind

Also i should write about Ayla and Zemm soon. Idk if u were there but i showed the chat them and i’ve been Thinking about Them as well

OH that reminds me, really quickly. So the storyboard concepts for Doublefive, do you think they used the flute to attract the light creatures in order to cause Light to coalesce the little orbs, or distract them while their partner picked them off the ground. Are Light creatures potentially hostile to ancestors trying to pick up Light (to be taken away)

[frigid tinsel]

Corrupted & uncorrupted skykids in my ficverse can taste light. Here’s The Carver/Nanif (N) recounting something along those lines.

N: recently I caught someone who wasn’t a moth, didn’t look like one, at least. They had more light than a moth, left me stuffed. Under all that fear, I tasted the sweetness of friendship – guess they were remembering their friends when I bit into them.
So I do headcanon that sharing light can share feelings, but it would be unintentional. Maybe sharing flames can make those shared feelings come across stronger.

[violet sundial]

Huh!

[frigid tinsel]

Oh yea my corrupted skids hunt other skykids and drain them of their light kinda like vampires — they call it “eating” them. Most go after moths cos they’re easier to catch but some corrupted skykids are strong enough to go after older ones

[violet sundial]

Once again i like to think that skykids can eat light based foods as an alternative to more conventional means of recharging; more useful in harsher environments so Skykids residing in realms where Light sources (be it creatures or otherwise) don’t really bother

[frigid tinsel]

Uncorrupted Nanif carries around light orbs with the Doublefive hat to snack on. Eventually they switch those out for red light cos they don’t hunger anymore and use red light to do things with darkness. Uncorrupted skykids don’t hunger for light anymore, but many miss the taste and relish in it

[violet sundial]

Darkness is useless and nasty though i don’t think they can eat it… i was thinking maybe All skykids can sort of suck out the light of something if they need it??? I’m not really the best at explaining it but like if someone had a (sky) carrot they would hold it up to their mouth and just kinda suck in the light until there’s nothing useful left. I wonder what that would leave behind…

Also i’m not sure how meat food works since it feels a bit… off… for any skykid to look at a manta and go “ooh cool yumyum food” unless they’re like really desperate. Tbf this is all more headcanons but i think its neat

[trim yoke]

Hello internet, welcome to game theory

[frigid tinsel]

Perhaps flutes can attract light like bells & chimes attract light creatures, though the effect could be less strong with flutes than with bells & chimes, so the moment the flutist stops the orbs might scatter. hence the need for the flutist to keep playing while someone else gathers the light orbs.

[violet sundial]

Also i think ur ideas are neat al sorry that i hadn’t said anything on them until now. I think they are Interesting though i never really explored the concept of a corrupted skykid.

[violet sundial]

Actually… i feel like i should make another oc to accompany the existing Crab Band then??? Short person who can carry 3 times their weight in jars of Light

That will be interesting to do
I really wanna write about them soon. If you ever saw them did anything ever come to mind about them?

[frigid tinsel]

I’ve been musing on (un)corrupted skykids to give darkness a voice. They are within darkness. While some come out of corruption more charged to fight against it than before, Nanif is more sympathetic. I want them to find a way to exist between light and dark, to navigate the light/dark duality Sky presents, to see it less with a binary of good/evil many fall into.

[lean kayak]

Good point, but what if the king completed those trials and after that became god/megabird?

[frigid tinsel]

Unlikely. I think the king never became a god or Megabird, rather was worshiped as a god. That doesn’t make them a god, just they were viewed and respected as one

[violet sundial]

Icic, i like that! I was actually thinking on a loosely related note of corruption concepts, do you think Shard Crabs are born from dormant crabs? Or their empty shells perhaps?

I think this would be interesting in applying to skykids in particular bc i feel like there’s probably some empty husks left behind by skykids that can be inhabited by various other things, including darkness and other forms of Light

I actually have an oc on this concept i’ve had for a VERY long time

(Repost cus I forgot to do the reply thingie)

I don’t think i have a good drawing of her but her name is Medusa and she’s literally . A jellyfish that sort of took over an empty/dormant skykid husk and uses it like a fake body. A pretty smart jellyfish despite not having an actual brain (as irl jellyfish go that is.), she’s a trusted assistant and apprentice of the Vault Elder. I’d say she’s one of my goofier oc ideas

[frigid tinsel]

Granted, we at least know that krill are corrupted light creatures. Dark crabs seem to be corrupted as well in two ways — first, crabs are only hostile when they have darkness flakes on them, which I liken to rabies; and second, crabs may have also once been light creatures, which Salem believes they had once been jellyfish. I think shard crabs fall under the first on another level. Rather than darkness flakes irritating and changing their behavior, the shards embedded in them further alter how they act. You can actually see crabs that spawned from shards walking into corrupted darkstone and growing shards off their shells.

My corrupted skykids are like that — corrupted darkstone embedded in their shell, sucking out their light and altering their minds. The longer that’s in them, the further they’re corrupted. Nanif had been corrupted for three years and their shell had been growing spines, their fingers morphing into claws.

[violet sundial]

Rabid crabs real

[frigid tinsel]

Reminds me of @rigid mural’s OC, who’s an elder bird inside a skykid body. I think they’ve talked about Birdkeeper here before.
Yea, here: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[violet sundial]

Oooooh they would Fistbump

Also i realized cus medusa is a jellyfish does she like. Make the skykid husk walk with ragdoll physics or something. I think that would be absolutely hilarious

[lean kayak]

Hmm, okay... then why do you think megabird and the king's head/mask look the same? I think it's odd that the megabird symbol on those portals changes more and more to look like the king

[violet sundial]

Like imagine the other skykids who work in vault just hear this disorderly noise of stones hitting each other and everyone is just like “SHES COMING OH GOD STOP SLACKING HIDE UR PHONES ” (well they dont have phones But…)

[rigid mural]

good evening

[violet sundial]

I can’t Describe Sounds with Words apparently 💀

[frigid tinsel]

They don’t look the same. I think you’re referring to the Light and king symbols, which do look alike. There’s a thought that the the king claimed the Light symbol as their own to claim legitimacy, like a divine right of kings sort of implication.

[violet sundial]

Also it’s indicative (symbolic?) of the changing attitudes of the Ancestors towards Megabird and The Light over the course of the Kingdom’s history. Keep in mind each realm represents a different stage of the society. Their behavior towards creatures turns from reverence to outright thoughtless exploitation, therefore they can be seen as turning away from Megabird and accepting one of their own (kind of) as their god

[lean kayak]

Hmm, right... that makes sense

[frigid tinsel]

Yea I think y’all already mentioned how with the kingdom’s increasing industrialization, they strayed spiritually from Megabird/the Light, hence the Megabird symbol shrinking. Sunset replacing the Megabird symbol with the king’s symbol entirely shows how Megabird was no longer important to the kingdom.

[lean kayak]

Thats so sad poor megabird

Do you think megabird cursed them?

[frigid tinsel]

I don’t see Megabird as vengeful. Rather the kingdom’s downfall happened because they strayed from Megabird’s guidance, hurt the light, and allowed darkness to flourish

[lean kayak]

Right... so perhaps megabird had nothing to do with it, they just let it happen?

[frigid tinsel]

It’s like if your god tells you “do this because bad things won’t happen” and the people decided not to follow that direction, bad things will ultimately happen

[violet sundial]

I think megabird must be pretty forgiving to let the spirits come back to orbit as well tbh

[violet sundial]

Megabird is just the Responsible Parent of the entire Kingdom and everyone in it

[rigid mural]

I like to think Megabird isn't even sentient like a god would be, it's just a personification of a natural occurrence such as the cycle of water.

So the ancestors pretty much took away the sanctity of something they all need (like water irl) and paid for it.

[violet sundial]

Oops

[lean kayak]

So you're saying megabird is like nature?

[frigid tinsel]

I like to think Megabird is the consciousness of the Light, aware of all the experiences of ascended beings of light, but there is little Megabird can do to directly influence the world. If the world strays from Them, They can’t stop it

[violet sundial]

“Ohemgee oopsies🥺👉👈 i accidetawwy caused the downfawl of the entire kingdom 🥺☹️😐😐 sowwy for kiwwing everybody úwù” -eden king

[lean kayak]

But that would mean megabird is sentient?

[frigid tinsel]

That depends on the interpretation. As Vela said, they don’t think as Megabird as a sentient deity. I do, however. Given the dearth of confirmed information about Megabird, you can think of Them however you wish

[vivid mango]

Aight, this was brought up in genchat; why do we/some spirits have mitten hands (such as performance) but most spirits have actual fingers?

[frigid tinsel]

Technical limitations

[violet sundial]

I think i’m gonna go i need to actually Eat Lunch today ack

Thanks for the talk! Also ty for sharing ur ideas on the flute thing Al i may be back later with Stuff if i can throw smth together

[lean kayak]

Oh heck i didnt realize vela joined in

[vivid mango]

Then why does it seem like it varies from spirit to spirit?

[frigid tinsel]

Spirits have different models. Some models have fingers, some models have mitten hands. Idk why the devs made that decision but given all skykids, who use the same model and are more common, have mitten hands I think it falls under technical limitations.

[lean kayak]

Sounds logical to me

[violet sundial]

Same reason. I think sometimes TGC uses the skykid model instead of a spirit model but i think that might just be Postman. And even then in some cases its just easier to use the mitten hands (ie like with flight guide if I recall correctly)

I feel like tgc mightve run into some rigging issues if Flight guide had hands cus Spirit hands are already kinda horrifying (ie scolding student, modest dancer, et cetera) + their sleeves are pretty unique in how long they are idk

Luka actually go challenge 💀

[vivid mango]

With us I can definitely see it being limitations, but why some spirits? What would be the lore reason?

[frigid tinsel]

By the official art TGC releases, I think there’s the implication that everyone has fingers. See this Cannoneer character card

[eternal totem]

Gloves

[violet sundial]

None. Not every detail in the game has lore implications even though TGC does pay attention to small details sometimes

[vivid mango]

Just seemed odd. Performance has oven mitts, Dream guide has fingers, Grandma has fingers, Peeking Postman has oven mitts, etc

[raw crypt]

its better that they don’t

[frigid tinsel]

I don’t wanna be rude but I’m in a mood so

[violet sundial]

Like i said postman actually straight up just uses the skykid model

I have literally no idea why oops

[vivid mango]

Yer born ham-fisted or with fingers, there is no inbetween

It's lore chat so wanted to discuss lore. Sorry I came at a bad time

[vivid mango]

Edward Scissorhands vibes, I am terrified

[frigid tinsel]

Nah it’s just some things really are gameplay mechanics or technical limitations rather than true in-universe

[eternal totem]

Bloom still had those fingers for 2022

[frigid tinsel]

Again, looking at official art, I think that in-universe everyone has fingers, it’s just not shown that way in-game

[vivid mango]

They stole Performance's fingers o no

[raw crypt]

wheres that one art ash posted

[violet sundial]

Someone made a breadit of that performance promo ❤️

[frigid tinsel]

This isn’t the high quality version but

[eternal totem]

Forbidden Rhythm fingers are still locked up away in Ash's archive

[grim python]

Don’t know if this was already said but I think the majority of spirits that don’t have fingers ingame is just because they sell pants that we can wear

not sure why Rhythm and Performance Guide don’t though

[vivid mango]

Maybe they use the "grown up" skykid model?

[frigid tinsel]

Ash’s Rhythm finger

[raw crypt]

HERE (ping off)

AGHHH SNIPED MEEEE 💔💔 /lh

[eternal totem]

When was this posted 😭 How did I not see this

Oh, so soft

[vivid mango]

Wish I had the heckin' adult spell, I've only got 23 baby spells cause they won't stop handing them out

[frigid tinsel]

Spirits look at skids and go “ooo baby”

[slim plume]

Then everyone with the sword pants looking at the spirits giving them the baby spells like /lh /nm /j

[frigid tinsel]

One of my skykid OCs looks like a capeless moth but they’re one of the oldest skykids to exist. They hear “oh you poor baby” a lot.
They are a very fast runner

[vivid mango]

I need to get into making Skykid ocs

[keen shore]

I feel so much better upon the realization that creating hands is not just hard for 2D artists

[slim plume]

Modest Dancer hasn't just fractured a bone, bestie's gone and run that thing under those pasta dough flatteners and twisted it to match

[pastel brook]

ktjn's clones are watching

[eternal totem]

No they're not I eated them

[slim plume]

*ate ||/lh /nm||

[raw crypt]

eated

[slim plume]

Ate

[raw crypt]

skybot made us ktjn clones but dark eated them /ref

if im too old that ppl dont know the eated it ref i will explode /lh

[eternal totem]

Really? Sure it was eatering last I learned in 3rd grade...

[slim plume]

Haha old person /j

[sharp lichen]

Slink’s not even that old

[slim plume]

I feel like the reference is repressed in a dormant part of my mind but I can't quite seem to get at it, so either it only seems familiar by coincidence or I need someone to give me a vivid memory /lh

[keen shore]

“I made you a cookie but I eated it”

[rigid mural]

It's ok I'm the designated geezer here

[slim plume]

Oh look there's the vivid memory thanks /lh

[dull cave]

Hi hello lore chat i woke up with a lot of thoughts so so so what do y'all think is the overall story of this season? like it's obviously tied to eden and darkness but like is it a story? are we just seeing fragments of what happened? how are they memories? sooo many questions

[fickle wing]

was looking at this pic for a solid minute or two w out reading up n was wondering why something felt off abt it n then remembered that. Rhythm has the mitten hands in the art

[frigid tinsel]

Best part is that someone told them to get rid of the fingers

[keen shore]

I keep thinking about that. I want to know what the reasoning was so badly

[keen shore]

I’ve been thinking about this too! Been wondering if the memories are chronological. I think they’re just fragments of the past that the diamond sucked up and stored, maybe creatures as well? since we know darkstone holds light and the corrupted version sucks it in constantly like a black hole, and they’re arguably all at least partially light (the krill make this kinda weird but I’m too tired to think abt it rn)

[eager eagle]

This season is more about creature of Sky than ancestor, and tells you that creatures have also memories and need to ascend too !!

Because it is fragments from the mountain, it could mean these creatures did go to Eden like everyone, but the thing that intrigue me is that it's not a little group, it's A LOT of creatures going at the same time

( oops i forget something : hello everyone !! )

[tepid veldt]

please tell me this is a real video
im not sure why i turned pong off

[rugged jackal]

Why henlo there lorechat
So, we all know that the Office isn’t canon. But if it was canon, what do you think it’s lore would be/how do you think it’d fit in to the world?

[sharp lichen]

It would be like the Starlight Desert, like an intersection between the real world and the Sky world

[tepid veldt]

i wonder how the office skiddo came to be they just found it one day and decided to dedicate themselves to bringing more friends into their favorite place

[rugged jackal]

I think that if the office was canon, the devs would be too, and they’d be gods alongside the Megabird. They just sorta showed up one day after the kingdom’s downfall a bit before the Megabird started making/remaking skykids
Would this canonize beta, updates, and events too?

[sharp lichen]

That's the difficult issue: what's lore versus a game mechanic, and what's the line between the two? Nobody has a concrete answer

[frigid tinsel]

Ah yes, lorechat’s biggest dilemma: what’s true in-universe, what’s a technical limitation, and what’s a gameplay mechanic?

[sharp lichen]

The Starlight Desert question

Oh and Sunglasses

Oh and Wind Paths for some reason

[eternal totem]

Fingers vs. mitten hands

[slim plume]

The true questions we should be debating

[eternal totem]

Gloves, next debate

[slim plume]

Consider: Fingerless gloves

[burnt sapphire]

Ooo that would be cool

[eternal totem]

Well surely I'd hope there are fingers under those mitten gloves

[slim plume]

It's just one block of finger

[eternal totem]

Those are not fingers.

By Mega Bird, it's another mitten glove!!!

[keen shore]

What if spirits don’t actually have fingers canonically and the presence of them on some models is caused by a technical limitation /j

[keen shore]

THE HOLY IMAGE

[frigid tinsel]

The ironic thing being that not long after I had posted that, I did, in fact, find the high quality version

[keen shore]

Free serotonin <3

I adore this image also because it has the most like… material? rendition of spirits that I’ve ever seen but mostly because it makes me soft

[frigid tinsel]

It's precious

[keen shore]

I KNOW RIGHT , I could pretend and be like, oh yeah this image is so good for lore or whatever but really I don’t care about that. Look at it it’s so sweet

[frigid tinsel]

Just the spirits being happy together 🥺

[forest hornet]

Does anyone have a transcript of the poems about each shard memory

[frigid tinsel]

Give me a moment

Frozen Memory #1 – Jellyfish

The light that swirled here was not warm
These were no drifting currents
Songs lost to the void
Bewildered in final moments of stillness

Frozen Memory #2 – Dark Plants & Crabs

Entranced by strange brilliance
And swept into its snare
A familiar glow that hid
Nothingness in its wake

Frozen Memory #3 – Mantas

Soft wings flowing to bright beacons
Drawn from the path, trusting until too late
Bound in a merciless harness
Soft wings despairing against stone

[violet sundial]

They took modest dancers eyebrows in that one 💔

[tepid veldt]

storyteller looks like theyre abt to cry with happiness after receiving flowers

[keen shore]

I KNOW RIGHT ITS SO CUTE… LOOK HOW PROUD THE GUIDE IS AGH

[exotic steppe]

Have there been any concept art of eden before it was in ruins?

[upper heart]

Why are the krills so huge in the new memory!
Maybe this season shows us that during the time that krills got corrupted by similar shards, there used to also be a lot bigger krills and a lot more of them than what there are now

[tiny night]

Squinting
I do have this random theory that the memories shown are what happened when eden was ruined? Perhaps? Like the creatures are escaping when it happened if that makes sense.

[green latch]

Hi lore chat I don't usually hang out here but I brought something up in cozy that people suggested I bring here if you don't mind it's just my dumb ideas for an alternate Shattering season

[tiny night]

OOO go aheadd

[green latch]

Mkay, I'll put it in a spoiler just in case any moths are poking around. Season of Shattering (Graves Edition): ||I was envisioning a couple alternate season ideas...1) we follow the memories of a group of spirits who have battled the Shattering before, helping them push back the darkness and aiding them on a harrowing trek through Eden to the source of the problem. Similar vibes to Abyss, where we get to know a ragtag group of spirits. Though, I understand this wouldn't be possible because Eden is not accessible to all players. I just liked the idea that this has happened before and been thwarted; it's thematically consistent with the way the skykids keep journeying to Eden even though they know it's a doomed journey. 2) the ancient darkness shards are still the avatars of the story, but when we view their memories they show us glimpses of the kingdom before it fell to ruin. This is sorta what we have now, but players who don't use social media don't get the additional lore drop of the poems. It would be cool tk have that embedded in the season. Maybe we could see how the krill became corrupted! || sorry for the text wall I know this isn't totally consistent with the current lore, I just thought it would be fun

[upper heart]

The krill did get corrupted by the storm. That is basically canon, yeah xD

[sharp lichen]

In the Switch Trailer, we see the Eye of Eden as an untouched peak, with a beam of light

[rigid mural]

Interesting how there's floating rocks too, maybe that's where the ones hitting us in-game come from

[torn eagle]

i never noticed that

[green latch]

I wanna see it happen (I'm kidding but also doing a cartoon villain laugh)

[upper heart]

That or the floating rocks are just- like the floating islands in the different realms? I mean praire is basically full of them and they clearly don't need electeicity to keep floating in the sky, so there's some magic there. (The megabirds magic probably)

But I do have a feeling that the light might be like- the oassage to orbit before corruption. Like- how creatures and humans got to orbit to get to their next life

[crude flame]

There’s also this maybe (?)
From the Sky Animation Project Teaser

[potent sedge]

My theory is that the Krill are part of the darkness because the light of Eden guided them or hypnotised them, and that is the only light they know. when they see us, aka our light, they're hypnotised by it and attack it

[uncut pond]

Anyone else noticed how the highest tower of Citadel is literally frozen in time?

[fair knot]

My memory looks a little different from the ones you guys shared here .... No diamond and wings

[graceful oasis]

That is how it’s suppose to be actually if I know from what glitch stuff or so

[rigid mural]

Android still needs the update

[rigid mural]

On the towers surrounding the ice rink gate leading to the citadel too !

[fair knot]

Ohhh so mine is bugged? 😦 that's sad

[rigid mural]

You just got an outdated version

[rapid arrow]

So late to this, but what if the poems are connected?

Its the season of shattering so it would kinda make sense for the infromation we recive to be shattered and not the whole picture. Alteast in my mind it makes sense

[frozen harness]

my English is not good enough for those

[feral hollow]

that krill in memories is larger than i imagined, maybe theyre ancient krill

theory: the memories seemed to suggest the first ever creation of life when we enters it we see two kinds of life forms appeared (light and dark) that is manta-jelly and krill-crab. they all sea creatures that can fly tho, when we look around us it seemed like a place where we completed the eden, there is nothing but emptiness and then suddenly... "let there be light" there is light up in the sky, surrounded by blurry group of fish.
it seemed in the memory there is not a single spirit/ elder spirit, its like a creation of the world like in the bible, the time stop, the memory showed us the creation of all life forms before the world of sky was created... before the humanoid figure created, probably we will see the spirit at the end of the quest, the total quest is 6, which is the famous 6 days of creation of the world in the bible where the spirit will probably be created in the sixth day. (i made this theory, idk if someone already made it or not but sorry if it does) owh and also there is a big boat like in noah's ark, in golden wasteland

[outer hare]

I wonder why they grew smaller? Maybe its in terms of appetite in comparison to what their previous unmutated forms where, the question is do krills require sustenace or a power source?

[feral hollow]

also, all of the living being that lives in sky are all sea creature (except bird and butterfly)

and all of them can fly (except crab who dont fly cuz of course why tgc made crab fly and also the fish in the pomd at home swim, and i only see one turtle whos swim

[feral hollow]

btw, what happen if we took off our mask? will it looked like our face just stright up bright light?

[tepid veldt]

skykids can never take off their masks for they will become a living flashlight

[outer hare]

Its believed by some that the outer shell of a skykid is made of darkness so following that theory we maybe have outlines of black or grey eyelids or just a plain grey or black sphere face. @tepid veldt 👀 ✨

[tepid veldt]

perhaps all of them grew smaller due to exposure to darkness/darkstone? we know krills are corrupted so there must of been a heck of a lot of it around them (which there is in wasteland.) pretty sure the mantas got roped into darkstone production, which explains why there are nowhere near as many as the manta memory. (i dont actually know what happened to the jellies fjdifjrjf)

[feral hollow]

wait2222 is skykid also born from the spirit? if so then the humanoid creature also grew smaller cuz of that (except that one time i saw a giant skykid like in aot its hacked so its not canon)

[tepid veldt]

we dont really know where skykids come from (or maybe we do or there’s a theory abt it and im stupid) so i couldnt really say

[outer hare]

ahh but that also makes me wonder why krills didnt move away from places with the darkstone, they seem to be in areas with all the darkstone, then again it could be forest thats stopping them @tepid veldt There are theories of their creation- if youd like to hear i dont mind explaining but ive only heard one off the top of my head ( because its one that i made and some people kinda nodded their heads at it shbsb)

[tepid veldt]

id love to hear

[copper saffron]

i mean, it is literally called the Eye of Eden, so this wouldnt be too unexpected

[feral hollow]

plz do

eden is supposed to be protected by angles with fire sword (if we followed what in the bible) and also a place sooooo beautiful, eye of eden is beautiful ngl i love the vibe but that place could kill anything that has a live of light(except the bright red stone which has light but it killed other light)

[outer hare]

Ok so the structure of a skykid in weird matter ways cause im not that knowledgeable is something like a dark shell of lifeless darkness with a light spirit that slowly ( i think grows ) with every spirit we relive, overall creation is linked with my really basic story of how the ancestors messed up, now in my simple 3 sentence theories it goes something along the lines of- King and vault are messing with scientific experiments. All the elders are forced to comply. The isle elder snitches and tells megabirb who has no clue. They together create only mere prototypes of skykids whoch megabirb takes to the sky with her for the next however may years till it becomes this and sends these prototypes down, these were their only chance and megabirb is taking it- the whole actual history in 3 sentences theory ill have to find and when i do ill link it in a picture 💜 ^^

here it is gcvhvcshv

[feral hollow]

after skykid and other humanoid creatures died they turned into stone and we cremated them so their souls can return to the elders grave? i have no idea why they go there

[feral hollow]

srry i have 2 braincells, what is megabirb?

[outer hare]

Do we cremate them? Mantas in front of krills dont really doe, they vanish without a trace which is death but no body left behind- Skykids have a whole theory behind that, elders do have graves but their more like memories to educate the skykids ^^ other creatures fall into one of those ways of dying, megabirb ( or as i call megabirb ) is a creature ( lets say divine creature ) that we see many times in sky, in dorrways, the lake in the secret area or murals for example. When looking at concept art you can find the name megabid linked with it ^^ 💜 i might be able to find some examples if youd like :D!

[feral hollow]

idk, i think we do cremate them cuz mantas dont have a living body, they only have souls, just like iur sky kid need yellow souls to increse the thoughtness of our souls againts darkness? idk

[outer hare]

Mh i think youve got it, but i dont think theres cremation, i think its just a breaking of the souls beyond particles or something, our skykids have stronger ones due to their absorption of winged light/wedges

[feral hollow]

i looked what megabirb is on google and it is the bright yellow circle at post credit scene? is that it?

[outer hare]

there is more but thats the most dominant scene of it, actually in ||orbit ||if you look up you can see a constellation of them ^^ 💜

[feral hollow]

there are basically zero words in the game, i dont understand some of the handsign that the spirit showed, but i hope some of them can communicate in the way skykid can.

[feral hollow]

wait, that thing? that constelation at the entrance of eden?

[outer hare]

||if you look up after getting into orbit the sky turns into a couple constellations and one is megabirb ||

[feral hollow]

it took me some times to figured out the bird part of megabirb

what is that thing that circles around the pond at the office portal?

[outer hare]

||That is an image of the king or prince on a boat with a megabirb ||

[lean kayak]

Wha i never saw the king on a boat... i always just saw birds and mantas swirling around

[outer hare]

theres a full picture of if you can find it ^^

[lean kayak]

I can't find it

[lean kayak]

Do you think the krills are the whale in underground forest cave but corrupted? 👀

[sharp lichen]

In the Switch Trailer, we get a sense of what an uncorrupted krill may be. After all, the whale doesn't have a spotlight

[lean kayak]

Oooo right, forgot about the spotlight eyes

[tall kestrel]

I wonder if the cave of prophecy somewhat foreshadowed this season with this drawing. To me it looks like hidden forest is burning here

[sharp lichen]

It looks like fog/smoke

[keen shore]

I disagree with this based on the poems Alasdair posted for reference here [#lore-discussion-spoilers message] which heavily seem to imply that the creatures got lured/sucked into the diamond somehow during the disaster and that’s what we see. It’s so empty because they’re frozen in time and petrified, and also because it’s inside the diamond — which is very possibly where the elder cutscenes and limbo take place as they look so similar.

Basically, we’re seeing the moment of mass death, not the moment of creation

[lean kayak]

Maybe a campfire?

[dusky sequoia]

Backreading some of these stories, it convinces me that the Shard (big diamond) has achieved conciousness of some sort.. It shows us of the impending doom or warns us of something sinister which could happen if we anger it. It shows us through those memories?
And the latest memory from where we could see krills (dark dragons) emerging from the shard signify a story to me..
Maybe it is sentient at this point?

[blazing nova]

btw is there still no poem for the latest memory?

[lean kayak]

I dont see a poem no

[lean kayak]

I dont think the krills are emerging from the shard 👀 to me it looks more like they are circling around the winged light... especially since their eye is red instead of blue, meaning there is something in their vision and they want to attack

[slim plume]

The shard is also apparently a bug, the devs forgot to hide it (but it also apparently does come up in a future quest)

[blazing nova]

did a dev say that it is? it looks very intentional to me

i've seen screenshots from android (which i assume is the old version of the memory) and the lightnings don't really make sense without the diamond

[snow cosmos]

so i'm working on a short writing piece about the Vault Elder scene, and it's likely to have some lore in it because obviously - would it be okay to post it here once it's finished?

[slim plume]

It does to me as well, but I'm really not sure

[keen shore]

OFF TOPIC BUT HELLO OTHER SALEM

[snow cosmos]

hello name buddy!

[eternal totem]

It's not a bug, the diamond was added to 18.5 beta, it IS intended to appear in memory 4

[slim plume]

I'm not sure anymore, someone from earlier said it was so now I'm confused

[blazing nova]

some people love pushing their own thoughts as facts with no evidence

[eternal totem]

No dev has stated that it is a bug + I've tested many builds of 18.5, it has not been removed

It's not appearing for some due to the fact that Android is on 18.0 still. If all platforms were on 18.5, I wouldn't have caught wind of this

[tepid veldt]

with the release of the new quest, last two eruptions have had the weird flying shard thingies. does that imply that the shards are getting even stronger

[snow cosmos]

my thought was that maybe the source of the shards, the diamond at the top of eden, is having bits and pieces break off in addition to the shards themselves, and that's what the floating bits are

if you look at the season guide, where before it was a whole object, now it's cracked and fractured

[tepid veldt]

that’s true! im not sure why i thought it was a visual bug

[snow cosmos]

tbf i like to incorporate bugs into my headcanon lore for the sake of continuity, so both could be true
clip through the mountains? guess they're hollow!

[keen shore]

YEAH I see it some here and it can get annoying pretty fast

I like to incorporate non canon bits (like office) into my headcanon lore but I’ve never seen bugs get incorporated, super curious now, that sounds so fun

[tepid veldt]

i always pose my weird thoughts as headcannons since there’s probably at least 50 things ive missed when writing them

[snow cosmos]

big same, especially since i'm relatively new to the game and i know there's so much stuff i'm missing

[rapid arrow]

The krill in the memory also have the red spotlight pointing at the diamond. Maybe the diamond corrupted the krill somehow?

[keen shore]

So many of my headcanons are like “this is a super cool idea I wish so badly that there was evidence for them”

[keen shore]

Yeah it can be a struggle to think/know of everything at first! Thankfully, it’s pretty easy to absorb it all after a while of just soaking here — it’s what happened with me.
Have also been playing for a while so that helped; a lot of the lore we talk about are from old season areas and quests so knowing how those worked was also a huge boost

[tepid veldt]

still is a struggle

[snow cosmos]

i've been lurking here and also replaying a lot of the areas/rewatching cutscenes/studying murals to try and put together as much as i can

[keen shore]

All my braincells went into this channel against my will, so it’s no longer a struggle for me but literally everything else is hhfsa